Nintendo: Wow you spent thousands of hours making a full ass game? Shut it down!

Sega and many other company’s: Wow you spent thousands of hours making a full ass game? Awesome! would you like a job?

i got a roblox place deleted for trying to make a robloxified version of mario 3D land

Valve: Nice Quake mod! Would you like us to hire you to port it to GoldSrc? (QWTF -> Team Fortress Classic, anyone?)


"They can charge $20 a year for a barely functional online service"

how about $50 a year for a barely functional online service, plus some n64 games (one of which was already in a collection), sega genesis games (all of which are on a game collection that's literally on the same console) and some animal crossing items?????????????

@Bob Snob I still prefer the psp tho lol

Nintendo: "How bout another barley functioning online service fans"

@Mrthenekin  at least the wiiu one let you map buttons

@Nighttale233 The vita was unironically underrated. It may have had no games, but is a very cool piece of technology. I just homebrewed my brother's and it makes for a cool little emulation device. Even plays PS2 games.

@Pax Mayne fun fact the nvidia chip that the switch uses is from 2015 and is supposed to be shut out of support in 2023 so Nintendo instead of thinking about finding a new chip to maybe use for the oled model they changed their mind and kept the old chip anyways but decided to order 30 mil switches which is just sad because that means the switch will probably die at 7 years old while the ps4 and ps5 will basically be outliving it

not to mention a nintendo 64 emulator that is the worst it's ever been, even when you compare it to other similarly bad ones like the Wii U

@Nighttale233 The Vita still had more bluetooth features and backwards compatibility options at launch, so the switch loses on the launch as well lol

@Pax Mayne and the fanboys continue to compare it to the ps vita as if that's the highest bar the switch can ever set in 2021

The video got ratioed to all hell, its also lesser impact as it is completely optional

And what about a barely upgraded model of their console with a slightly better screen selling for almost the same price as a Steam Deck (a full fledged handheld PC)


I honestly love that this video has the vibes of being one massive response to people who argued with you on Twitter, and it is all the better for it.

I am in your corner my guy. Comparing Nintendo to Monsanto is 100% spot on.


It’s always morally acceptable to emulate games<br>Even more so if the company doesn’t want you to

It’s always morally acceptable to emulate games
Even more so if the company doesn’t want you to

Especially if it's Nintendo and you don't own them


I like how you said that this was Nintendo in the past 20 years cause they've always been assholes.

They've bullied many smaller companies into submission with their NES exclusivity restrictions. You could argue that helped since it prevented trash games from flooding the market, but really it's Nintendo flexing their 70% market share muscle by preventing anyone from experimenting with other consoles and wanting to publish their games on it to grow their business.

The only reason Nintendo slowed down on bullying 3rd party companies is because Sony and Microsoft adopted some of them and they started making games popular enough to justify not buying Nintendo consoles.

So yeah. Nintendo will start to act nice when they feel like their bottom line is being threatened just like any other company. Right now, Nintendo is no longer the underdog that they used to be and people's mindset haven't changed. Despite the Switch's massive success, people still think Nintendo is the one taking the back seat while the two big dogs fight it out, but the opposite is more true.

Even then, when you compare the big 3 to the PC, all of them charge more for less. However, I think that PC gaming will start to eclipse console gaming and when more companies start making their own version of the Switch, Nintendo will have to step up their game again. They probably won't start making better decisions until they run out of shiny keys to jangle, and God knows when that will happen.

So Nintendo fans will continue to take it up the ass for the foreseeable future. The fanbase toxicity will probably only get worse as the age of the internet has divided all fanbases into impenetrable echo chambers, but hey, maybe consumer culture will change. Not to get too political, but the current economic downfall might bring people to be more cautious where they spend money and companies would have to start making more efforts to keep their customers from leaving. So at least there can be something good that can come out of all of the madness that is the 2020s currently.


Even though I'm a Nintendo fan, I can clearly see the company's problems. I really hope they can redeem themselves before it's too late. Other than that, this is an awesome video; really enjoyed it! I love how structured it was. It wasn't a relentless hate video or rant. It was a detailed and organised documentary about Nintendo and the mean things they can do as a company & corporation. Easily a video that will stand the test of time!

Moral of this video: Nintendo is A video game company, not THE video game company. You can like Nintendo, but not excessively to the point of worship: it's unhealthy and gets you nowhere in life. Nintendo is not your God and never will be.

"Hero worship is unhealthy"
- Patrick Star, 2001

Also idolworshipping is forbidden in my religion.


It's funny how this video is about Nintendo being anti-consumer yet Pokemon is barely mentioned. They could hand out a bottle of dishwater with a Pikachu picture on top and their fans would defend it to their graves

At least with stuff like LoA, they're showing that they're listening and growing, and this is when you take into account that sword and shield made a lot of money, so they didn't just do it because of a financial deficit. Still dislike game freak, but Nintendo is worse.


Nintendo fans litteraly similiar with your average questionable mobile game companies fans like the notorius 3N and  Mihoeyo litteraly have no backbone and tried to generalise and attack their own community as coping mechanism. This video will keep age like a fine wine and hell thr current BF2042 shit show still prove Emp's point.

And the nintendo community keeps aging like a carton of milk left outside.


Hearing "That's how the law works!" from the YouTube Copyright School video gave me Vietnam flashbacks.

@Vitorruy1 as a matter of fact, Andy is not my legal name.

@Andy Blanton  Hope you dont have any online account without your real name, as thats also against the law

@Andy Blanton<br>I agree, Rosa Perks was at fault for disobeying the LAW.

@Andy Blanton
I agree, Rosa Perks was at fault for disobeying the LAW.

It is. Infringement upon a company's copyright policies, no matter how strict, is illegal.

But it is how the laws work and, unless you change said laws, you can't do anything about it. They will be well within their rights to take action if that is what they so desire.

LOL JACKSEPTICEYE'S DAD IS ROTTING IN THE TRASH LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

How many times will this notion go on?

1.- Melee tournaments and the fanbase divide the attention towards Ultimate, which is their "latest" Smash that is still being sold. Nintendo literally has nothing to gain from Melee being around and do not want to remotely support them due to various reasons (using copied versions of the game), hacking the game with Slippy, their constant non-esports and immature actions (Smash tourneys being considered smelly, throwing crabs at people, etc.) and again, no profit incentive.
Nintendo literally has no reason to remotely care about Melee and its audience.

2.- Fangames literally take from the original source for free. They are not just going to hire every impressive game team because as a company, they have to discuss and approve every project, so just saying "Yeah, champ. Let's rerelease Super Mario 64 with mods together!" isn't going to happen if the board does not think SM64 or any other fan game project won't sell or if it interrupts the success of other products.

3.- Mother 3 will never be localized because of the touchy elements ( drug scene comes to mind) that are in there. Unless it is getting remade, the original GBA game will never, ever be localized.
If censored or altered significally, will it even be worth it anymore? Just use an Emulator.

4.- Mario 3D All-Stars IS the definitive versions of those games officially. It does not matter how good the Spyro or Crash remakes are since they are NOT Mario.
Mario's games are more valuable in the market than most of Sony's mascots combined. The Prime minister dressed up as Mario, the Kansai airport has Mario welcome you to Japan, Mario games STOMP most if not all of the mascots from other companies.
There is no reason for Nintendo to suddenly remake games that are already valuable and "good" as they are.

Bro same. That clip and the "Well that's not exactly true." clip are classics

@A Possibly Heretical Alpha Legionnaire exactly. “Vietnam flashbacks” is just a phrase when used on the Internet (most of the time) meant to  exaggerate your bad memories, nothing more

@Pill Grimm I think they do realize it's possible, but it's just become a meme in the internet to visualize PTSD easily through the hell that was Vietnam

I'm starting to wonder if people don't realize you can have flashbacks without having Vietnam PTSD. The phrase "Vietnam flashbacks" is so weird.


Nintendo: does bullshit<br>Nintendo Fans: spend hours explaining why nintendo did not do bullshit, its good actually, theyre allowed to do it

Nintendo: does bullshit
Nintendo Fans: spend hours explaining why nintendo did not do bullshit, its good actually, theyre allowed to do it


My loyalty to Nintendo steadily deteriorated the longer they let F-Zero stay dead.  I always thought it was weird how they were somehow above criticism.  Sword and Shield should have been held to the standards of BotW and Mario Odyssey, and instead it looks cheap, has lots of frame drops, and a lot of old pokemon had to come back through DLC.  And it still reached the 20 million sales club and became one of the best selling Pokemon games ever.  And you're so right about the Youtube likes; Nintendo only gets dislike bombed when they show off a NSO video or when they add another Fire Emblem character to Smash.  And even in those cases, the outrage doesn't lead to anything.  Online is just $20 a year so they just accept it.  Thinking Fire Emblem shouldn't have 8 characters in Smash somehow makes someone immature so they just accept it.  There's no meaningful impact, online is still going to be barely functional and FE will continue to get treated like it's Pokemon in the next Smash game.

I don't think fans realize they can make Nintendo bend; the Pokemon Go community made Niantec bend when they tried to rollback some of the pandemic changes (those changes didn't just make the game safer to play during covid, they made the game objectively better and more accessible).  The fans are a sleeping giant but they don't know it.  They have to keep the pressure on to make something happen.

@V Games Fire Emblem has 8 characters, and the series is not big enough to warrant a character count like that. Mario, Pokemon, Zelda and Animal Crossing all have individual games that have outsold the entire FE series combined.

the only reason the fanbase is mad over smash having to many Fire Emblem charcters is because they look very anime and people love to get upset over that for some reason.

Not yo defend SwShit. But Assfreak makes the pokemon games and TPC signs off on their yerrible games, nintendo just has a publishing deal. I hope the gen 9 games that were announed are going to be better and actually include all the pokemom, but I'm cautious

And it's also harder to wake up that giant, and also affect Nintendo. Firstly, imagine how much you'd lose out on if you did a total Nintendo boycott. That means no Mario, no Zelda, no Pokemon, no Fire Emblem, etc. And secondly, Nintendo is likely much bigger and much more ignorant to fan complain than Niantec, so you'd probably need, like, 50% of all nintendo owners to do a permanent boycott to make a difference,

"Of course we'll try to keep the pressure on. We're at war here."

@Henry Nelson Being able to interact with Gyms/Pokestops from further away.  More pokemon spawning in general.  A box with free items that appears once a day in the shop, an field research task every day without having to grab one from a poke stop, and remote raid passes.  I think remote raid passes were the only thing that was gonna stay because they could make money on those.

What were the Pokémon Go pandemic changes?

Sword and shield were reused concepts from a full fledged Pokémon console release for the n64, that’s why the trees look like shit.

Also, so true


This is the horrible state of gaming where it feels like every single person in the gaming cummunities is a 2 year old fanboy. I just can’t enjoy gaming anymore even how hard I try

@EndLaiser <br>I don’t think it’s a good idea to hang around kids my guy.

@EndLaiser
I don’t think it’s a good idea to hang around kids my guy.

You'd find a lot more satisfaction playing with actual children. Like I do.


If xbox did this, they'd be crucified 100x over lol.

Halo Infinite's graphics were heavily disliked and dissected.  Pokemon Arceus is releasing, it looks worse than a gamecube game, and Nintendo fans are calling people entitled for making fun of it.

The cool part is the disliking worked for halo


i really hate how nintendo doesn't make their game soundtracks readily available but will issue copyright strikes to anyone reuploading them to youtube.  it's within their rights to do that but it's pretty crappy to make them as difficult to purchase and hear as possible.

Just because it’s within their right doesn’t mean it’s okay.

Just because it’s within their right doesn’t mean it’s okay.

You have no right to take somebody's work and do whatever you want with it. That's just stupid what you there. I do agree they should lighten up on there fans doing things with their IPs and realize they do it out of love. Even Mario porn would be don't out of massive love and respect for Nintendo and Nintendo either doesn't get it or doesn't care.

@This dude comes in and he says What was even your point with these pretentious ramblings, kid?

@This dude comes in and he says What was even your point with these pretentious ramblings, kid?

aged like wine or milk? hard to tell, when they're both this sour. rip gilva

aged like wine or milk? hard to tell, when they're both this sour. rip gilva

this sure hits different now that Gilvasunner is gone, and it was confirmed by youtube that it was Nintendo who filed all the copyright claims...

this sure hits different now that Gilvasunner is gone, and it was confirmed by youtube that it was Nintendo who filed all the copyright claims...

Bet you’re not happy about what happened to Gilvasunner today

Bet you’re not happy about what happened to Gilvasunner today

@This dude comes in and he says you man you seem like a really fun person

@This dude comes in and he says you man you seem like a really fun person

It doesn’t seem like their litigiousness has done them any good either.

It doesn’t seem like their litigiousness has done them any good either.

Thing is, most Japanese companies are like this when it comes to their own IP. They're so protective of their intellectual properties to the point that even if it absolutely means that they've shut down an opportunity to make money despite demands. It's not limited to just gaming companies, just basically almost every Japanese company. Its weird that companies are there to make money, but a Japanese company's like "I'll make as much money as possible... but I'll do it the way I want to, despite that I won't be earning as much", and its... quite annoying. You can, quite literally, bend over backwards, kneel and kiss their feet with ungodly amounts of money, but if you want them to sell you something they don't feel like selling... they just won't. Honestly, that's what annoys me. Its not even scummy, just ass backwards.

I have a super autistic friend that can only listen to Nintendo music tracks. He always becomes depressed when his favorite songs get struck down. It’s sad to watch how depressed he gets in the time it takes him to find another upload of it

I have a super autistic friend that can only listen to Nintendo music tracks. He always becomes depressed when his favorite songs get struck down. It’s sad to watch how depressed he gets in the time it takes him to find another upload of it

@Sadnehs BrawlBRSTM3x never ran ads but Nintendo copyright striked pretty much everything anyway.

@Sadnehs BrawlBRSTM3x never ran ads but Nintendo copyright striked pretty much everything anyway.

@Kyle Hill That's weird. The Sunrise Records I'm talking about is a Canadian chain, preceding HMV. As far as I know, their stores are still open in Canada.

@Kyle Hill That's weird. The Sunrise Records I'm talking about is a Canadian chain, preceding HMV. As far as I know, their stores are still open in Canada.

@Prince Goat Cheese Sunrise recrods went out of business a LONG time ago IE: Bush era buddy. Where have YOU been?

@Prince Goat Cheese Sunrise recrods went out of business a LONG time ago IE: Bush era buddy. Where have YOU been?

"it's within their rights to do that but it's pretty crappy"

congratulations, you've just summarized all of nintendo's executive decisions regarding the rights they have to their intellectual properties

"it's within their rights to do that but it's pretty crappy"

congratulations, you've just summarized all of nintendo's executive decisions regarding the rights they have to their intellectual properties

"Within their rights" is an irrelevant clause.

"Within their rights" is an irrelevant clause.

Meanwhile the official Valve Youtube channel has L4D, TF2, and HL soundtrack all for anyone to listen to and use.

Meanwhile the official Valve Youtube channel has L4D, TF2, and HL soundtrack all for anyone to listen to and use.

@GodOfOrphans Ah yes, but you see that would start to threaten the constructed legitimacy of private property ownership, particularly of intellectual, cultural, and media products, in the first place, which of course is a sacred cow the capitalist economy relies on to remain 'stable' (whatever that means lol)...

Dude I know, you often have to go to a scalper online to find a game at a ridiculous price for their rarity, combining the fact of often being no longer manufactured to be sold at most stores, just to be able to listen the music. If you can't pay for it, you're gonna have to find the OSTs elsewhere and that may or not be legal.

@tsundereCat [TC] oh wow. I did not know that. 🌈The More you Know🌈

@tsundereCat [TC] oh wow. I did not know that. 🌈The More you Know🌈

this is very shitty but also uploaders who don't run ads seem to be unaffected. Because I have countless Nintendo soundtracks I listen to on Youtube via channels that don't run ads (presumably they don't monetize at all?).

I hate to side with Nintendo here because shutting down fangames, tourneys, and online content is dogshit. But I feel like uploading straight up music owned by someone else and trying to profit off ads should be shut down. The free uploads definitely should stay up though since Nintendo doesn't upload any at all. And frankly the music should be free, its standard in gaming.

@Mathematical Hypotenuse "It's within their legal rights, but it's an abuse of said rights" i so hecking agree.

@Mathematical Hypotenuse "It's within their legal rights, but it's an abuse of said rights" i so hecking agree.

@God of Yami " It’s counterintuitive and quite bizarre IMO." not if you understand that Nintendo whats control first, and money second.

@God of Yami " It’s counterintuitive and quite bizarre IMO." not if you understand that Nintendo whats control first, and money second.

@present "whats the problem?" the problem is that Nintendo are taking down music channels that in no way effects if people buy there games or not.

@present "whats the problem?" the problem is that Nintendo are taking down music channels that in no way effects if people buy there games or not.

@E F "They'd sell you if they could and there was profit in it." finally someone who gets it.

@E F "They'd sell you if they could and there was profit in it." finally someone who gets it.

Not only that, the problem here is much simpler yet worse; the fact of being a very big Asian company enphasizes their discard from their sanity for the sake of their "morals" and beliefs, explaining why their fanbase is also a bit alienate from reality. Not much of a big deal about your point, but heh, it's easier to justify like this.

If Nintendo just released each game as an album and collected streaming royalties they would be rolling in it. I am sure this idea has already been floated within HQ so the reason they have decided against it baffles and eludes me.

If Nintendo just released each game as an album and collected streaming royalties they would be rolling in it. I am sure this idea has already been floated within HQ so the reason they have decided against it baffles and eludes me.

Yeah. Especially if I listened to Mario Odyssey soundtracks and sadly deleted for no reason. Isn't that music supposed to be shareable?

Yeah. Especially if I listened to Mario Odyssey soundtracks and sadly deleted for no reason. Isn't that music supposed to be shareable?

This. I couldn't find the deluxe edition Mario Galaxy soundtrack anywhere on the internet that wasn't a private tracker

This. I couldn't find the deluxe edition Mario Galaxy soundtrack anywhere on the internet that wasn't a private tracker

That "it's within their rights" disclaimer is so stupid. It used to be within their rights to own slaves. It's currently not in our rights to grow certain plants. Whether or not it's their legal right has nothing to do with it being morally right

That "it's within their rights" disclaimer is so stupid. It used to be within their rights to own slaves. It's currently not in our rights to grow certain plants. Whether or not it's their *legal* right has nothing to do with it being *morally* right

Even when they DO release the soundtracks to listen to in the US, there would still not be an excuse to take them down. I mean people are going to want to use that kind of music for their videos like background music or to describe music in a review of a Nintendo game. Even Metallica is 100% OK with people uploading demo albums they don't release themselves.

Edit: I say they shouldn't have the rights at all.

Legality does not equal morality, it being within their rights to do so doesn’t mean nothing.

Legality does not equal morality, it being within their rights to do so doesn’t mean nothing.

Unless they are advance wars soundtracks for some reason

Unless they are advance wars soundtracks for some reason

Ya think they'd make a freaking Itunes setup or something instead of making it barely available aside limited cds or expecting you to use your switch as a mp3 player if got smash ultimate or something.

Ya think they'd make a freaking Itunes setup or something instead of making it barely available aside limited cds or expecting you to use your switch as a mp3 player if got smash ultimate or something.

@Big Crunch The reason I decided to put that was because everything I’ve said I’ve had yelled at me with zero awareness.

@Big Crunch The reason I decided to put that was because everything I’ve said I’ve had yelled at me with zero awareness.

Ok heres my question: why dont you torrent them?

Ok heres my question: why dont you torrent them?

@Lukebytes because no one is defending the rest of the companies like Nintendo! When Sony does somthing awful, the gaming community all mostly agree that Sony Did bad. But when Nintendo does bad, you have 100s of man children rushing over with their man tidd ies flapping in the wind to defend them! Also, no other company is as scummy and sharky as nintendo! Last time I checked, Sony allowed their games to be streamed and didn't sue random people for downloading roms

@Mister Sippi you had me in the first half, cuz I was about to pop off

@Mister Sippi you had me in the first half, cuz I was about to pop off

It's basically the "vault" mentality. Disney does it too and it sucks. They make these amazing things, make the supplementary material hard to find, and then release it whenever they want to make more money.

It's basically the "vault" mentality. Disney does it too and it sucks. They make these amazing things, make the supplementary material hard to find, and then release it whenever they want to make more money.

Nintendo: Don't worry if you want 3D mario ost you have to pay 300 dollars plus 60 more maybe +tax as well and then you can listen to only 3 games of music. WHAT YOU CAN LISTEN TO THEM FOR FREE ON YOUTUBE?! COPYRIGHT STRIKES FOR EVERYONE!!! Why can't we just upload them on youtube? Too much work. Yawn we're lazy.

Me: Nintendo you are a multi BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY HOW IS UPLOADING GAME MUSIC TOO MUCH WORK!! PEOPLE DO IT ALL THE TIME!!! And you put in more effort trying to remove and I quote "A Bowser Penis".

Nintendo: Not anymore once we get rid of all of it.

By no means are any Nintendo soundtracks difficult to hear if we're talking about here on Youtube. And even if this was true, Square Enix and Sony are way more aggressive regarding their soundtracks. And by no means am I trying to excuse Nintendo, but Japanese corporations in general do this extremely often.

I have zero patience to listen to the it's how the law works and its in their right excuse .<br>You need to provide if you are such a huge company,to me you have no excuse if as big as Nintendo

I have zero patience to listen to the it's how the law works and its in their right excuse .
You need to provide if you are such a huge company,to me you have no excuse if as big as Nintendo

Especially when nobody else copyright claims video game music.

Especially when nobody else copyright claims video game music.

@Big Crunch yeah but if you're gonna call out 1 company for doing something when another company does the exact same thing, it seems very biased.

@Big Crunch yeah but if you're gonna call out 1 company for doing something when another company does the exact same thing, it seems very biased.

Call this a shit take, but personally, I think actively rejecting the notion of saying "it's within their rights..." when a company does this is a big step in stopping it. It's within their legal rights, but it's an abuse of said rights, because they aren't "defending" anything; redistributing things they aren't distributing period isn't an "attack".

Call this a shit take, but personally, I think actively rejecting the notion of saying "it's within their rights..." when a company does this is a big step in stopping it. It's within their *legal* rights, but it's an abuse of said rights, because they aren't "defending" anything; redistributing things they aren't distributing *period* isn't an "attack".

@Yeah David people out side my country who complain about our companies

@Yeah David people out side my country who complain about our companies

Yeah that's just plain awful. It makes no sense to me, people are just trying to appreciate the music which can draw in new fans. Taking those videos down is ruining people's fun and actively hurting your own business

Yeah that's just plain awful. It makes no sense to me, people are just trying to appreciate the music which can draw in new fans. Taking those videos down is ruining people's fun and actively hurting your own business

and especially when they don't even sell the game it's from anymore. it's annoying as fuck.

and especially when they don't even sell the game it's from anymore. it's annoying as fuck.

@E F That's really not true. Companies have founders and human beings who run the company. It could be ruthless or not. That is human nature.

@E F That's really not true. Companies have founders and human beings who run the company. It could be ruthless or not. That is human nature.

I've never had any trouble finding the soundtrack I was looking for.

I've never had any trouble finding the soundtrack I was looking for.

@Paully yes. The problem lies in that they are not being good and are actually being evil, and thus they will taste the vengeance of me, god.

@Paully yes. The problem lies in that they are not being good and are actually being evil, and thus they will taste the vengeance of me, god.

Nintendo would be in the top 10 of artists on Spotify if they uploaded it all there

Nintendo would be in the top 10 of artists on Spotify if they uploaded it all there

@Batman's Pet Goldfish I think you might have misunderstood what he said. He said it's within Nintendo's rights to issue copyright strikes, but it sucks because Nintendo isn't making their soundtracks available in the first place.

@Batman's Pet Goldfish I think you might have misunderstood what he said. He said it's within Nintendo's rights to issue copyright strikes, but it sucks because Nintendo isn't making their soundtracks available in the first place.

@Pokémaniac Guquiz No? What are you talking about, they rip the music out of videogames without any edits, look, they even manage to find multiple versions of those tracks. Its all the real-deal.

@Pokémaniac Guquiz No? What are you talking about, they rip the music out of videogames without any edits, look, they even manage to find multiple versions of those tracks. Its all the real-deal.

@jobelplayed minecraft Gilvasunner. Siivagunner makes edits.

@jobelplayed minecraft Gilvasunner. Siivagunner makes edits.

@Robert Wyatt It’s also within their rights to do nothing… Do you see where the problem lies Robert.

@Robert Wyatt It’s also within their rights to do nothing… Do you see where the problem lies Robert.

KHInsider: <b>Allow us to introduce ourselves</b>

KHInsider: *Allow us to introduce ourselves*

Ummm, it isn't under their rights, it's against the law. They don't own the rights to the music, they can't share it online like that. This how copyright law works, I don't necessarily agree with it but thems the facts.

Ummm, it isn't under their rights, it's against the law. They don't own the rights to the music, they can't share it online like that. This how copyright law works, I don't necessarily agree with it but thems the facts.

Yep, this is one that truly baffles me. They could make so much money by letting people buy subscriptions to listen to them or buy albums/songs individually to listen to. But they don't, and they make it incredibly hard for their fans to listen to their music. It's ridiculous.

@Dawildehoers again、sound like western problem。

@Dawildehoers again、sound like western problem。

@Yeah David i translate most comment here an it seem like people out side of my country just hate nintendo、i see no problem directed at us。must be western problem。

@Yeah David i translate most comment here an it seem like people out side of my country just hate nintendo、i see no problem directed at us。must be western problem。

@Big Crunch exactly, which is why it's so stupid nintendo is getting the spotlight. People keep saying their "done with nintendo" and that their going to playstation when they pull the exact same practices if not worse. It's fine to criticize them, but it's appalling to me their being prioritized over potentially worse offenders just because it's expected of then to be bad, which shows how terrible the whole industry has became.

@Prince Goat Cheese Like. I just want to hear Rito Village on Spotify IT COSTS LITERALLY NO MONEY.

@Prince Goat Cheese Like. I just want to hear Rito Village on Spotify IT COSTS LITERALLY NO MONEY.

@Spanky Pants There's a difference between morality and generosity. You seem to think it's a moral dictate that someone allows something they made available to you for free. Why? Because you want it? That's very entitled of you.

@Spanky Pants There's a difference between morality and generosity. You seem to think it's a moral dictate that someone allows something they made available to you for free. Why? Because you want it? That's very entitled of you.

I mean I'll digitally purchase them if I have to

I mean I'll digitally purchase them if I have to

Eyyy good to see you here. Love your mashups and music, Will!

Eyyy good to see you here. Love your mashups and music, Will!

@Luis Alfonso Pinto Dude. You are one sad individual

Inb4 “nice debunk”

@Luis Alfonso Pinto Dude. You are one sad individual

Inb4 “nice debunk”

@KaBoom That profile pic is Boo from TTYD, correct?

@KaBoom That profile pic is Boo from TTYD, correct?

THIS IS WHAT FRUSTRATES ME MOST ABOUT JAPANESE STUDIOS/CORPORATES! They’ll be soooo stingy about their copyrights while never releasing their stuff outside Japan. Oh gee, I wonder why so much anime is pirated?

THIS IS WHAT FRUSTRATES ME MOST ABOUT JAPANESE STUDIOS/CORPORATES! They’ll be soooo stingy about their copyrights while never releasing their stuff outside Japan. Oh gee, I wonder why so much anime is pirated?

Sorry dude, but "within their rights to do that" kind of puts a lid on any complaints. Really they're screwing themselves with how much money they can make, and that's just odd. But that's their choice.

Sorry dude, but "within their rights to do that" kind of puts a lid on any complaints. Really they're screwing themselves with how much money they can make, and that's just odd. But that's their choice.

It's ironic when you know that several of the main theme melodies of Super Mario Bros. games are almost 1:1 copies of actual Japanese and Western songs.

It's ironic when you know that several of the main theme melodies of Super Mario Bros. games are almost 1:1 copies of actual Japanese and Western songs.

@Ethan Weegee I could see that.

They do however perhaps act as a promotion of often older titles that the company made.

@Ethan Weegee I could see that.

They do however perhaps act as a promotion of often older titles that the company made.

@Fries Soundtrack uploads are hardly 'free advertising', let's be fair.

@Fries Soundtrack uploads are hardly 'free advertising', let's be fair.

Plus, most of the soundtracks are pretty mid. I mean, is the Majora’s Mask OST really that good? It’s hard to even look at it with a Far Side Virtual lens’s because they lack a lot of sonic depth most of the time anyways.

Plus, most of the soundtracks are pretty mid. I mean, is the Majora’s Mask OST really that good? It’s hard to even look at it with a Far Side Virtual lens’s because they lack a lot of sonic depth most of the time anyways.

@Dru Nature My argument would be invalid, <b>if</b> the laws of the free market and copyright do change according to "society's morals", so remind me again in 5, 10, 20 years, if Nintendo was forced to prioritize "ethics" over profit, even though there will be absolutely no incentive to do so, if people continue to buy their products anyway.

@Dru Nature My argument would be invalid, *if* the laws of the free market and copyright do change according to "society's morals", so remind me again in 5, 10, 20 years, if Nintendo was forced to prioritize "ethics" over profit, even though there will be absolutely no incentive to do so, if people continue to buy their products anyway.

@BadJumpCuts You'd have a point if, unlike him, i claimed to be morally sound.

@BadJumpCuts You'd have a point if, unlike him, i claimed to be morally sound.

You're talking about a company that also refuses to archive older titles and make them available to an audience of dozens of thousands of fans worldwide, just because they don't really feel like it.

You're talking about a company that also refuses to archive older titles and make them available to an audience of dozens of thousands of fans worldwide, just because they don't really feel like it.

and when you consider most non-Nintendo game music is allowed on YT, really rubs salt onto the wound.

and when you consider most non-Nintendo game music is allowed on YT, really rubs salt onto the wound.

@This dude comes in and he says You're wasting time complaining about someone wasting time complaining about a toy manufacturer. If his position was so pointless as to be immoral, what does that make you?

@This dude comes in and he says You're wasting time complaining about someone wasting time complaining about a toy manufacturer. If his position was so pointless as to be immoral, what does that make you?

So don’t run ads on their music, same as any

So don’t run ads on their music, same as any

With the odd exception of Kirby: Planet Robobot.

With the odd exception of Kirby: Planet Robobot.

@EspurrsEyes42 it's a very weird situation. nintendo does not fully own the rights to earthbound, as shigesato itoi also owns it himself. this means nintendo does not fully decide what can or cannot be done with the ip, and is the reason why things such as the hobonichi mother project exist (hobonichi is itoi's own company). when the soundtracks for mother and mother 2 were released, they were published under sony's label, which means legally sony owns the rights to both those soundtracks, or at least the rights to distribute it. either way, they've been claiming, striking, and deleting videos/channels for using those songs. mother 3 does not have this issue, as that soundtrack was published under itoi's own label.

i'm not the most well versed when it comes to legal issues such as this, but hopefully this cleared up some stuff.

@tsundereCat [TC] <br>How the hell does Sony own Earthbound music?

@tsundereCat [TC]
How the hell does Sony own Earthbound music?

@This dude comes in and he says And yet here you are complaining about some people complaining instead of caring about your loved ones or contributing to society

@This dude comes in and he says And yet here you are complaining about some people complaining instead of caring about your loved ones or contributing to society

never forget that where possible, companies will prioritize control over profit, out of some fancy that if nobody can have it, some day they can strike it rich having sole ownership of it when the time is right. they're banking on the day Mother 3 receives demand from every human on earth and they can make billions off its release - if that never happens they are happy to throw it in the garbage, as it is worthless to them otherwise. a product some people want isn't worth the sacrifice of making it easy to get and losing the ability to harness some magic one in a million chance to control something highly wanted.

@John Clark you speak some mad facts John

@John Clark you speak some mad facts John

@KFC Jesus_ZRDR_DelRio That’s basically theft! I hope the authorities find you! You’re the reason Nintendo has to do things like this.

@KFC Jesus_ZRDR_DelRio That’s basically theft! I hope the authorities find you! You’re the reason Nintendo has to do things like this.

@present Exactly! Thank you! These communists just want everything for free. Corporations are so benevolent they create jobs, and allow you to buy their products, with no concern for profit.

This is what happens when you don’t teach kids that corporations are your friends and are here to help the country.

@Spanky Pants Morals?!? Sounds like Communism to me! What you want them to not make any profit? You want them to shut down? They create jobs, and allow you to buy their games, and you want them to go bankrupt because you hate capitalism! We should be paying much more for games! People would still buy it, and they’d be able to create more jobs, and the games will be much better!

What you just expect Nintendo to not make a profit? You should be thankful that you’re even allowed to buy their games! They should be charging 2-3 times what they charge, because people will pay for it. They’re nice enough to make it affordable.

This sounds like Communism to me! You don’t want them to make any money, you just want everything for free! You’re just attacking a wonderful company who out of the kindness of their hearts, with no concern for profit, create jobs. You should be grateful for that! After all if you keep attacking them the may just completely shut down and then you wouldn’t have any games!

I hope everyone knows I’m being sarcastic...

@Quantris I meant more of I like the soundscapes of most Nintendo ost like the xenoblade ost

@Quantris I meant more of I like the soundscapes of most Nintendo ost like the xenoblade ost

@HeadLessToYall WARREN! is it paying respect if you know they don't want you to do it? this is some twisted logic man

@HeadLessToYall WARREN! is it paying respect if you know they don't want you to do it? this is some twisted logic man

@Viktor Gabriel Americans never voted for laws like this just FYI, our corrupt government was just told by the corporate overlords to implement them and what we actually want didn't factor into the decision at all. In fact those of us who were aware of what was going on spoke out against it and were ignored, most people are too ignorant or placated with bread and circuses to notice or care though, and controlled opposition, so called "bi-partisanship" means that no matter who we vote for the corporate overlords remain in power and their abusive power grab laws remain in place even when nigh unanimously despised!

@Big Crunch people dont complain as much when any other company dose shit like this care to tel me why are is it only ok since Nintendo dose it thru American voted laws

@Big Crunch people dont complain as much when any other company dose shit like this care to tel me why are is it only ok since Nintendo dose it thru American voted laws

AND THEY SOUND SO DAMN GOOD TOO! If I wanna jam to paper Mario music, I should be able to!

AND THEY SOUND SO DAMN GOOD TOO! If I wanna jam to paper Mario music, I should be able to!

If I were to change anything about copyright law besides factory resetting it to the original timetable (hard capped at 28 years) it would be adding an availability clause where if it's too difficult or outright impossible to acquire something legitimately it becames fair game for piracy, and the rights holder has say a year or so to make it available legitimately before it becomes public domain regardless of how much time is left on the clock for the copyright.

Yeah, Now I can't listen to the ocarina of time and black and white/black and white 2 OSTs

Yeah, Now I can't listen to the ocarina of time and black and white/black and white 2 OSTs

@HeadLessToYall WARREN! There was a rapper named Young Gravy who had a song called “Mr.Clean” Now in the original version of the song there is a Super Mario World coin sound effect that’s only used ONCE throughout the entire song. Seemingly as I was listening to the song again a few years later it appears as if that coin sound effect is taken off the song. Replacing the sound effect that’s meant to act as an adlib with the instrumental. What I can assume from this is that Nintendo probably sent a cease and desist from that 1 sound effect they used and that’s why this new version of the song sounds a bit awkward around that part. So no, Nintendo won’t let you sample their library even it’s a 1 SECOND SOUND EFFECT

@Earoist Well I looked up “Nintendo World War 2 propaganda” and unfortunately I didn’t get a cool history lesson but I DID find some really awesome fanart

@Earoist Well I looked up “Nintendo World War 2 propaganda” and unfortunately I didn’t get a cool history lesson but I DID find some really awesome fanart

Idk why they’re not like Sega or Capcom where they have all of their soundtracks up on Spotify and other streaming services. But knowing Nintendo, they’d probably pull a Disney+ and have their OWN streaming service for music. Except it’s only Nintendo music, it plays at 128kps or lower, you can’t download for offline and oh, can’t forget a $15 a month price tag for that bad boy

i heard people take copyright pretty seriously like even a lot of fans don't support piracy or reuploads

i heard people take copyright pretty seriously like even a lot of fans don't support piracy or reuploads

I was lucky enough to get a copy of the Majora's Mask soundtrack for dirt cheap, and that's the only official Nintendo soundtrack I've ever been able to obtain.

I was lucky enough to get a copy of the Majora's Mask soundtrack for dirt cheap, and that's the only official Nintendo soundtrack I've ever been able to obtain.

Because many other companies are doing it.

They have the control. And you don’t even realize it.

The point I am trying to make here is that companies nowadays are collecting our data for targeted advertising and more nonsense, one day they will sell those to our governments and you won’t be safe anymore.

It’s the same situation with the Dragon Quest music, why can’t Koichi Sugiyama just put the soundtracks from the series on ITunes?

It’s the same situation with the Dragon Quest music, why can’t Koichi Sugiyama just put the soundtracks from the series on ITunes?

@tsundereCat [TC] who cares about sony stop shifting blame this video is about nintendo

@tsundereCat [TC] who cares about sony stop shifting blame this video is about nintendo

@This dude comes in and he says even laws get argued and interpreted in different ways, so yes your argument is invalid because you alone do not decide whats immoral, our society does, just like our legal system writes and interprets out laws, which are not universal.

@Spanky Pants The law does not dictate morality. There are countries where murder is legal under certain conditions. Sometimes straight up human sacrifice for religious purposes. Are those things moral? Even though they're legal?

@Spanky Pants The law does not dictate morality. There are countries where murder is legal under certain conditions. Sometimes straight up human sacrifice for religious purposes. Are those things moral? Even though they're legal?

Nintendo really brings out the hardcore Lawful Neutral in people.

Nintendo really brings out the hardcore Lawful Neutral in people.

Take a drink every time gilvasunner was nearly erased

Take a drink every time gilvasunner was nearly erased

Exactly! I don't give a rat's fuck if it's right legally, it's still wrong morally and from what i can tell almost every video game company on the planet agrees and doesn't do this shit.

Exactly! I don't give a rat's fuck if it's right legally, it's still wrong morally and from what i can tell almost every video game company on the planet agrees and doesn't do this shit.

Literally as a electronic producer I want to sample more Nintendo ost so bad to pay respect but Ik the consequences to that can’t imagine how it is for a fan who made a game on there own I’m going to start looking at Nintendo more critically

Literally as a electronic producer I want to sample more Nintendo ost so bad to pay respect but Ik the consequences to that can’t imagine how it is for a fan who made a game on there own I’m going to start looking at Nintendo more critically

dont forget that mario 64 has the entire soundtrack on spotify

dont forget that mario 64 has the entire soundtrack on spotify

There is actually a channel for ripping music from videogames, the name is SiivaGunner

There is actually a channel for ripping music from videogames, the name is SiivaGunner

It's within their rights but it shouldn't be. Copyright law is bullshit.

It's within their rights but it shouldn't be. Copyright law is bullshit.

Music is very powerful. They probably know that you can convince a person to buy a product just so they can hear a track again.

Music is very powerful. They probably know that you can convince a person to buy a product just so they can hear a track again.

Namco literally uploads their soundtracks to their YouTube channel I think, I don’t see why Nintendo can’t do the same.

Namco literally uploads their soundtracks to their YouTube channel I think, I don’t see why Nintendo can’t do the same.

I still have that CD Nintendo power gave out for free with the orchestrated melee soundtrack. Thank God Nintendo didn't send a swat team to my house when I saved the songs to my family PC.

I still have that CD Nintendo power gave out for free with the orchestrated melee soundtrack. Thank God Nintendo didn't send a swat team to my house when I saved the songs to my family PC.

It's honestly so hard to even like them, they're stuck in the stone age with all these oxymoron level choices that can't even keep many fans satisfied

It's honestly so hard to even like them, they're stuck in the stone age with all these oxymoron level choices that can't even keep many fans satisfied

Square Enix and SEGA have most of their game soundtracks on Spotify. Nintendo doesn't outside of like two games.

Square Enix and SEGA have most of their game soundtracks on Spotify. Nintendo doesn't outside of like two games.

I had a good few Mk Wii songs on my playlist just to find out that all of them were blocked :(

I had a good few Mk Wii songs on my playlist just to find out that all of them were blocked :(

Right. Just put the soundtrack on Spotify or something

Right. Just put the soundtrack on Spotify or something

Just like Raiden from MGS said: "Just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's right."<br>I'll take this as a fucking mantra for the rest of my life.

Just like Raiden from MGS said: "Just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's right."
I'll take this as a fucking mantra for the rest of my life.

Nintendo has existed since the 1800s. I really wanna see some Nintendo wwii propaganda

Nintendo has existed since the 1800s. I really wanna see some Nintendo wwii propaganda

whats the problem? all you have to do is own the game in question(may cost several hundred dollars, depending on rarity), have the working hardware to play it (owning an original console/crt or having the correct upscalers, or an increasingly rare nes/snes classic) and then listen to the tracks you want when you get to that point in the game (its not so hard if youre a pro gamer like myself)

Yeah, I really liked their FE tracks. Especially Three Houses. But Nintendo just fks itself and its fans at every turn.

Yeah, I really liked their FE tracks. Especially Three Houses. But Nintendo just fks itself and its fans at every turn.

@Spanky Pants Corporations like Nintendo are amoral and should be treated as such. They'd sell <i>you</i> if they could and there was profit in it.

@Spanky Pants Corporations like Nintendo are amoral and should be treated as such. They'd sell _you_ if they could and there was profit in it.

like this is such a good point

nintendo would make probably MILLIONS off of uploading their soundtracks to streaming platforms, valve literally did that for tf2 and dota songs and have made millions of listens off of it

like this is such a good point

nintendo would make probably MILLIONS off of uploading their soundtracks to streaming platforms, valve literally did that for tf2 and dota songs and have made millions of listens off of it

Same

Really wish I could more easily listen to the Splatoon OST. But for some reason Nintendo can't be bothered to put it along with the hundreds of other songs that are in their games onto Spotify

Same

Really wish I could more easily listen to the Splatoon OST. But for some reason Nintendo can't be bothered to put it along with the hundreds of other songs that are in their games onto Spotify

As such, I've turned to the side of high quality rips.

As such, I've turned to the side of high quality rips.

I just never see anything about how bad Sony is about their copyright holding, is all. I hate anti-consumerism, and Nintendo is one of the poster children of that. I'm not blind, I didn't expect to have to explain that on THIS VIDEO

I just never see anything about how bad Sony is about their copyright holding, is all. I hate anti-consumerism, and Nintendo is one of the poster children of that. I'm not blind, I didn't expect to have to explain that on THIS VIDEO

@Spanky Pants Oh yeah? Where can i look at these universal moral guidelines? I'd argue that it's immoral to waste your time with complaining about a toy manufacturer instead of caring about your loved ones or contributing to society.

@Spanky Pants Oh yeah? Where can i look at these universal moral guidelines? I'd argue that it's immoral to waste your time with complaining about a toy manufacturer instead of caring about your loved ones or contributing to society.

@This dude comes in and he says Yeah. Me.

@This dude comes in and he says Yeah. Me.

@Beanoptodon"I'm gonna ignore what Nintendo does because I'm a  baby and this company does the same thing as them" If a dog shits in 2 different rooms, does that make one shit more important than the other? no! theres still shit in either room. Open your eyes

@tsundereCat [TC] I like how more people shit on Nintendo about copyright ownership enforcement when we have Sony over here keeping games from other companies existing because the music is theirs

@tsundereCat [TC] I like how more people shit on Nintendo about copyright ownership enforcement when we have Sony over here keeping games from other companies existing because the music is theirs

@This dude comes in and he says yeah it's called morality

@This dude comes in and he says yeah it's called morality

@Robert Wyatt Yes and? Is there a fourth power we should be concerned about that also dictates rights?

@Robert Wyatt Yes and? Is there a fourth power we should be concerned about that also dictates rights?

It’s only within their rights under the law.

It’s only within their rights under the law.

it's even worse with earthbound. sony owns the rights to the soundtracks of the first two mother games, and since sony is notoriously more stingy than nintendo when it comes to music, people lately have been getting videos or even entire channels taken down just for having earthbound music. if nintendo owned the rights to the soundtrack, it would still be crappy for sure, but at least it'd be merciful in comparison to sony's death sentences.

I mean if they released game soundtracks even as digital-only purchases, I’d wager that they’d make some profit off of that. I am no economist. But still, I mean come on, you’re missing out on a profit there, Nintendo. Not to mention how scummy their current practice is.

ikr The only "legitimate" way to listen to Nintendo's music scores is through their very limited CD releases. Mind you, these releases are far from readily available, given that they are special edition runs through Nintendo Power/Club Nintendo catalogs. Used/new-old stock of Nintendo CD soundtracks are stupid expensive. On the other hand, music companies have plenty of movie soundtracks available to download digitally, and even at my local Sunrise Records they're practically giving them away because nobody buys them.


I’m glad people are willing to stand up to Nintendo in the video. As Emplemon stated in the video, Nintendo can be almost as bad as apple with the only difference being no one recognizes Nintendo’s faults.


You can have your ideal, friendly Nintendo in your memories while still treating them like the corporation that they are. You don’t have to delete your nostalgia. Nintendo was your friend when you were a kid, and they always will be in your memories, but they aren’t now

The Holy Wooomy with 69 Nuggets of Toasted Squidies

Nintendo was never your friend, you liked one of their games and that's it


I’m stunned that New Horizons was barely criticized for its disgusting save file limitations, so thank you for mentioning it here


It’s so strange how much fight Nintendo puts up keeping competitive scenes, emulation and fangames and projects down when it’s 100% easier and more efficient to let them do their thing at least and actively helping them at best. Honestly, what are they so afraid of?


Fans: "Can I please buy this game?"
Nintendo: "No."
Fans: "You don't want my money?"
Nintendo: "No."
Fans: "Okay... I guess I'll have to just emula-"
Nintendo: "NO! THAT'S STEALING!"
Fans: "FINE I'LL JUST MAKE MY OWN FAN GAMES."
Nintendo: "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

@Andy Blanton cope seethe and or plausibly mald

I have an easy solution. Find a game you can play legally, and play that instead.

@Blacktain Falcon even the casual fans are aware of the obscure games like Mother through Smash Bros. Eventually they look up “who is Ness/Lucas,” and suddenly they too want to play Earthbound and Mother 3 like everyone else.

@Slender Man 186 their main fanbase isn'f hardcore

@Blacktain Falcon their main fanbase doesn’t care about wanting to play their older games? Since when? Most of Nintendo’s most hardcore fans grew up with them in the 80’s and 90’s, of course they still want to play those games.

@Slender Man 186 their main fanbase doesn't care about that stuff though

@Blacktain Falcon boo-f**king-hoo, if Nintendo wants to protect their precious “image,” then they should make their games as readily available for purchase as possible. Maybe they should, idk, make their online service actually worth it.

That's their decision, and we can't really do anything about unless the entirety of the U.S.(or about half of Japan) boycotts any company that is even on good terms with Nintendo.

My friend once found a copy of a rare game that we both wanted to play and I had a nintendo console which could actually run it. Once we put it in we realized that it ran like crap and looked awful. This as opposed to playing it in 1080/60fps on my computer with save states and adjustable visuals.

@fungus j. I honestly prefer playing on original hardware, but a sad truth is the hardware will only be around for so long. Each time a PS2 permanently dies, that's one less PS2 left in the entire world. One day playing on original hardware won't be even possible

@Baltico Ok, sure, let's do a price breakdown of that. Just about any older console is going to set you back at least $100 in most cases. Then, if you're TV only has an HDMI port, you may have to buy a blank-to-HDMI converter, as a lot of older consoles have older types of video cables. Let's call that a potential $20-$30. Then, if the console is pre-PS2 or pre-GameCube, the video output can look kinda bad on modern TVs, meaning if you want the game to look it's best, you may want to invest in an upscaler to run the video connection through, or a CRT television where the picture quality looks the way it was intended to; either option sets you back at least another $100, if not $200.

And then you get to the part where you actually buy the game. Depending on the demand for the game, you might be able to find it relatively cheap, or it might cost you even more than you've already spent just getting the console set up. Pokemon games are currently hundreds of dollars due exclusively to demand, though they'll at least probably go back down eventually. But games like Earthbound are always going to cost hundreds of dollars because they are genuinely rare and hard to come by, and getting a physical copy is honestly kind of hard to do.

And so far all this ignores the fact that this isn't necessarily a one-time process - depending on what games you want to play, you would potentially have to have the space, knowhow, and money to acquire and set up multiple retro consoles to play even a relatively small number of games.

I don't mean to imply any of this is some impossibility, as plenty of people collect old consoles and games, and I love looking at people's collections. But in terms of game preservation, games need to be accessible, as in order to keep the experience of games alive, people have to actually play them. And the space, money, and effort involved in playing games on original hardware makes it about as far from accessable as one can get.

@Big Crunch when you got two dead NES cause the CPU part died and there is no replacement for that part

@young gamer And don't forget Bug Fables. (you can even search the game on the eShop by typing in 'paper')

@fungus j. yeah but if the companies aren't doing it then what do you do? That's what I'm asking, because while Sega does collections for some of their games, it's not nearly even close to all of them. Nintendo only does it with very select few games, Sony doesn't even let you buy and play PS1 games anymore unless you still have a PS3, and again it's not all of them. Microsoft seems to be the only ones who care since most of their catalog you can still buy and play even on the newest Xbox. Are we supposed to just sit around and let these old games eventually become unplayable cause the company doesn't see any profit in archiving them for future generations?

@RedBananaBoomerang best way I've seen is very literal digital libraries, where you can just check out a rom and return it. There are already some services like this, and jt somehow works (I think the rom is stored in RAM or something like that?). Or, better yet, what companies like Sega have done, where they just sell you a bunch of roms and an emulator.

@TheEpicGBX looking at you will of the wisps

@young gamer Fans: "And I'll publish it on your console next to your games."<br>Nintendo:"̵̖̿Ȧ̷̮̀Ã̷͖́A̶̘̍̋Á̷͓̹A̸͕̚A̷̡͝A̷̞̜͊̏A̴̾͜A̵̤͂̊A̴̞̞̔̈́A̵͉̋"̶̍̏͜

@young gamer Fans: "And I'll publish it on your console next to your games."
Nintendo:"̵̖̿Ȧ̷̮̀Ã̷͖́A̶̘̍̋Á̷͓̹A̸͕̚A̷̡͝A̷̞̜͊̏A̴̾͜A̵̤͂̊A̴̞̞̔̈́A̵͉̋"̶̍̏͜

@Big Crunch bootlegging and emulating are the same thing in context of this video.

@Baltico the problem is the games and the consoles are starting to break down.

@Blacktain Falcon not bootlegging, emulating

@Baltico your last point is kinda why emulation is an option. Nintendo's not getting the money so why take them down?

@fungus j. Or option 3: Buy the games on their original consoles for less than $100, so it's not in a legal grey area, plus Nintendo isn't gonna see that money.

@KaBoom Bug Fables (Paper Mario inspired)

@Blacktain Falcon yes cause we should allow games that Nintendo refuses to re-release in any form despite fans wanting to pay Nintendo for an official release to just fade into time. Legality isn't morality

@fungus j. yeah 2 wrongs don't make a right. I know we all gotta sail the 7 seas every once in a while, but don't blame the company you're stealing from when you do. Just because you think the product isn't easily accessable doesn't make it okay to steal it.

And yeah I think Nintendo should make their games more accessable and I personally don't care if you bootleg. But if you choose to do so, then it's on you, not the company.

Edited since I made some spelling errors.

Fans: "Well, what the hell do you want us to do?"<br>Nintendo: "YOU WILL EAT OUR GARBAGE AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!"

Fans: "Well, what the hell do you want us to do?"
Nintendo: "YOU WILL EAT OUR GARBAGE AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!"

@supersmashbro596 a company's image is at harm. Look bootleg if you want, but it is morally wrong. There's nothing stopping you from bootlegging something from 30 years ago or somethinf from 30 days ago.

i hate this. because it is true.
ill completely support the emulation scene, particularly when the games are region-locked.
they arent making money off of something they wont sell to us. what's the harm?

@KaBoom if you're implying that I should have to exist in a world without Waluigi's Taco Stand, I'm going to have to disagree

Nintendo:"cease and desist!"
Fan:"FINE I'LL JUST MAKE MY OWN GAME"
Nintendo:


As a fan of Sega/Sonic games, just take my advice.
Have some self-respect for yourselves Nintendo fans.

You see how Sega treats it's Sonic fans with false promises of care, and keeps selling mediocre Sonic games?
That's how Nintendo treats you guys directly, whether or not you drink their coolaid.

Also great video.

@Fusro Sandvich Yeah, that's one thing I'll give Sega (although I think it was more so Iizuka rather than Sega who made that happen).

A shame they're not continuing with that though, as it seems the Mania devs & Sega are on shakey terms.

Hilariously though, where Nintendo despises fangames and wants to gun down their creators, Sega hired a fangame creator that proceeded to net them their best sonic game, like, period. Along with a bunch of ports of their old games.

Are you telling me that Sega does what Nintendo? Ba Dum Tss🥁


Nintendo is the epitome of “you’re having fun wrong“.

Yeah im pretty sure "this is not how you're supposed to play the game" is a sakurai quote


Most companies: Take notes and actually listens to what their fans have to say in order to make their games more enjoyable.

Nintendo: Removes anything that is remotely enjoyable to anyone who likes their games.

Most companies: *Take notes and actually listens to what their fans have to say in order to make their games more enjoyable.*

Nintendo: *Removes anything that is remotely enjoyable to anyone who likes their games.*


Welp, Emp. This video couldn’t be more true. After taking down numerous ROM sites, Nintendo is attempting to charge even more for their shitty online just for some N64 and Genesis ROMs and the fanboys are eating it up.

Really? Most people I've seen are ripping apart the NN64 and Genesis Online expansion. I barely see anybody defending it.

@DeanStuff I’ve heard nothing but unanimous praise so far for Nintendo throwing a handful of games onto the Switch Online service people had already been overpaying for since 2018. It’s disgusting.

While I'm stunned they even went back for them in the first place, N64 games should have been there on Day fucking UNO and we all know this. I really, REALLY, don't want to see someone unironically thanking them over these games. "Thank you Nintendo!" Thank you for something you should've done on the first day! Not to mention the complete lack of the handheld library and titles like Mach Rider, NES Golf & Pinball, and the Mother games, some of the most beloved RPGs of all time. (Fun fact, as it is, when the Wii U eShop shuts down, the first game will be LEGALLY INACCESSIBLE in English unless you buy a heavily scalped used Wii U thanks to it never being released on cartridge or 3DS, forcing you to pirate and play the game on an emulator unless you're willing to spend money on the scale of the "iPhone with FLAPPY BIRD INSTALLED" madness.)

James Brincefield I’d be perfectly fine with paying for the online if it was actually good but it isn’t. Smash Ultimate having like 12 frames of input lag MINIMUM and usually much more with no rollback net code is absolutely atrocious. Mario Maker 2 has the same problem. And yet, you have fanboys getting on their knees and calling this a win for Nintendo. Hell no. These are 480p N64 ROMs. The Banjo Kazooie Xbox port from 2008 had widescreen, HD textures, and various changes to the parts of the game that didn’t age quite so well. The fact that the ROMs don’t have these changes is fucking embarrassing

It was fucking hilarious to me that they’re charging even more for it instead of offering to people for free as an apology for their godawful online service that should be free in the first place.


It is always morally justified to pirate old Nintendo games

It is always morally justified to pirate old Nintendo games

@Blacktain Falcon "It's not stealing if you're taking what they stole!"

@Chips The Kiwi probably my police department

@Chips The Kiwi probably my police department

@Andy Blanton It does when that IP is locked up from the public and by extension the public domain despite the fact the original creator is long since dead
And companies do their best to attempt to own it forever which they do by abusing both copyright law and trademarks (Tarzan is over 100 years old too! And it's still not even in the public domain despite the author having died back in the 1950s)

You can even see this first hand as one of their more well known tactics is to initiate massive false copyright claims even on parodic content which is infact a protected form of expression by the US 1976 copyright law but with so few resources to combat a massive corporation most content creators can't adequately fight back without breaking their wallets

Why waste ±5 grand of legal process in a court of law to defend your 3 minute youtube video?

Just look at the extremely huge wave of content on youtube that gets false copyright striked all the time, you better believe yes that is a stifling of creativity

@Andy Blanton It does when that IP is locked up from the public and by extension the public domain despite the fact the original creator is long since dead
And companies do their best to attempt to own it forever which they do by abusing both copyright law and trademarks (Tarzan is over 100 years old too! And it's still not even in the public domain despite the author having died back in the 1950s)

You can even see this first hand as one of their more well known tactics is to initiate massive false copyright claims *even on parodic content* which is infact a protected form of expression by the US 1976 copyright law but with so few resources to combat a massive corporation most content creators can't adequately fight back without breaking their wallets

Why waste ±5 grand of legal process in a court of law to defend your 3 minute youtube video?

Just look at the extremely huge wave of content on youtube that gets false copyright striked all the time, you better believe yes that is a stifling of creativity

Not being allowed to use someone else's ip doesn't stifle creativity.

@Andy Blanton reread my comment buddy and you'll see what I was talking about and I continually believe that copyright law needs to be reformed because as it currently stands in the United States it is completely broken and it leads to doing the exact opposite of what copyright was originally intended to do which was promote creativity among creators and artists instead copyright currently does the opposite it allows corporations and companies to hang on to IP for longer then a normal human can live thus in effect stifling creativity

The best example of this is Mickey mouse who was first conceived as a concept in the 1920s the copyright on Mickey mouse will not expire until 2024 over a God damn century! That is way too long to hold on to a monopoly of any intellectual property

@Andy Blanton reread my comment buddy and you'll see what I was talking about and I continually believe that copyright law needs to be reformed because as it currently stands in the United States it is completely broken and it leads to doing the exact opposite of what copyright was originally intended to do which was promote creativity among creators and artists instead copyright currently does the opposite it allows corporations and companies to hang on to IP for longer then a normal human can live thus in effect stifling creativity

The best example of this is Mickey mouse who was first conceived as a concept in the 1920s the copyright on Mickey mouse will not expire until 2024 over a God damn century! That is way too long to hold on to a monopoly of _any_ intellectual property

@Cynt Destroyer because they are protecting their IP from bootleggers, as they should?

@Derrick Crowe yes! A digital file that has been sold at retail or online in exchange for currency is a product.

@rejvaik yeah, any random Joe should be allowed to use someone else's ip.

@Mak Mak G it's okay to steal necessities out of sheer desperation. It's never okay to steal a luxury.

I just didn’t have money back then, but yeah!

I just didn’t have money back then, but yeah!

Nintendo literally sued some kid over hand-made Nintendo copy. It should be morally awarded to pirate Nintendo's games

@Chips The Kiwi Oh, you got me. You are right. Clearly, the police making an example out of people who pirate games is just beyond the pale, even for the cops.

Thanks you , Mr. Police Understander for showing me the light.

@matrix3509 dude you are saying this about pirating Nintendo games.

It is always morally justified to pirate

It is always morally justified to pirate

It's always morally justified to pirate all Nintendo games

It's always morally justified to pirate all Nintendo games

@Danny Caracciolo Not at all. There are no indie devs who are that poor that they can't pay rent. Also why should I care about the wellbeing of some dev i've never met

@Punished TubNub good idea, I'm gonna go pirate a small indie game and then laugh as the dev can't afford rent........ you might wanna alter that original remark

@YouAreProbablyAutistic someone who knows of Scotland? Yay.

@YouAreProbablyAutistic someone who knows of Scotland? Yay.

Derrick Crowe that's where online licenses come in, there are many types of them that acknowledge you as the owner of your painting and the only one with rights to commercialize it, but don't prohibit users from downloading and sharing as they like. This is pretty much how the de facto status quo is for most images on the internet. If a company wants to legally use a copyrighted stock photo they have to buy or negotiate its use with the person or company who made them, but that doesn't stop internet users from downloading and using them for memes and stuff. This might be ilegal, but no one is saying they own any of those images of trying to sell them, and companies still manage to make a profit.

@Wandering the Wastes So let me get this straight. If I paint a beautiful painting, it's mine. I made it and it's tangible, so I justly own it. Yeah? But if instead of painting that painting on canvas, I created the exact same image in a digital form, then it's suddenly not mine, because it's not tangible. Am I understanding this correctly? Because that seems really arbitrary and dumb. This idea might have worked 50 years ago, but it becomes harder and harder to justify in an increasingly digital world.

I mostly agree that you can't own an idea, but I think you should have rights to the products of your labor. And making videogames, just like creating art or writing a book, is definitely a labor.

@Wandering the Wastes I mean, trademarks exist

@Wandering the Wastes I mean, trademarks exist

The use of morally is not needed, there is literally no valid reason to not do it.

video games evolve. older games should cost way less than new ones. and yes, (in my opinion) NES games are old enough to be free.

@KeinNiemand unless if you're kingpin, you'll be fine

I have trove of old NES SNES N64 GBA GB/C romsets, want to do DS but the problem is lack of storage

@Punished TubNub unless it's wario games.

Shame on you.

@Punished TubNub unless it's wario games.

Shame on you.

I can't fully agree.... but I will say that copyright laws are broken.
I hate the idea of copyright extending 2 fucking lifetimes!!!! (70 years + life of author) before it enters into the public domain

AND I hate the entire idea of trademarks, a company shouldn't have a permanent non expiratory control on any product forever THAT'S bullshit

"It is morally justified to pirate a game if you can't buy it anymore.

Only if it's inaccessible normally like if it's discontinued

Only if it's inaccessible normally like if it's discontinued

@Wandering the Wastes That is absolutely correct and the reason copyright is BULL SHIT.

It would be stealing if you were taking the source code from their hands. But you're just taking a copy out of literally unlimited copies

Cool Dude McGee one cannot own an idea, for it is not tangible. If I buy lumber and build a wardrobe with it, the wardrobe is tangibly mine and I can do as I please with it, and the same applies to everyone. But if I have an idea, let's say a wardrobe design, it is not tangibly mine because anyone could also come up with said design (before or after me) without ever even knowing of my existence and/or design, and for me to claim ownership of the idea, and to prohibit that person (or any other by that matter) of building or commercializing their wardrobe is ridiculous, for just as in the first example, they did the exact. same. thing. I did.

@Wandering the Wastes property doesn’t have to be physical, it just has to be owned by someone.

Mak Mak G and btw I LIVE in the third world. Had to pirate my way into having 5 games in my second hand PS2 back in the day.

Mak Mak G there is nothing moral or immoral about being able or unable to buy a game, this is not food, healthcare or housing, it's a freaking game, if you can't afford it too bad. Now if you are talking about IPs and if piracy constitutes theft then there is morality to the discussion.

Blacktain Falcon property is inherently physical, therefore piracy cannot be theft.

Piracy is stealing. Just don't get caught.

Piracy is stealing. Just don't get caught.

@Wandering the Wastes its still a necessary part of the morality of piracy, albeit unpopular. There are still people out here thinking that no matter how poor they live, they still think piracy is stealing yet they don't know how different their country's currency and its average salary based onto their economy compared to the ones living in a 3rd world poor country.

Mak Mak G I think you are missing the point here, this is a discussion about the morality of piracy not its pragmatic necessity for people with low income

@Punished TubNub and to those who think Piracy is "plain stealing" are just middle-high class adults or kids who never experienced how lower, poorer, or 3rd world country people play expensive games like they had, or how pricey it is to own a console and a game at the same time while providing food for your family

It is always morally justified to pirate*

It is always morally justified to pirate*

@KeinNiemand what police department would waste its time going after someone who pirated Zombies Ate My Neighbor for the Super Nintendo?

morally sure but depending on your country you could end up with huge fines or going to prison.


as a nintendo fan myself i couldn’t agree more with you. it honestly baffles me to see people continue to give them money when they’re objectively preying on their fans, what with just any pokemon game release nowadays, or the stupid price for the n64 games switch online plan. i think the root of this problem though is that nintendo fans seem to be stuck in the past and seem to believe that the company today is the same as it was 5, 10 years ago. i see people bring up how Iwata cut his own salary so that he wouldn’t have to cut his employee’s salaries many times when defending nintendo, and it’s almost like they forgot that iwata is (unfortunately, may he rest in peace) long dead. The current CEO of nintendo, as with all the ones who preceded mr iwata, are first and foremost businessmen who will do what’s best for them and the company, not the fans. I believe nintendo fans much like myself have a strong parasocial relationship with the company itself due to the years where it felt like the company was “close” to us, when we’d see Iwata and Reggie in every nintendo direct. those times are long gone, the current president of NoA hasn’t shown his face since Reggie announced his retirement, none of us can even name the current CEO of nintendo. We’re all stuck in the past and it’s hard to come to terms with it. even though i obviously never met Iwata personally, i feel sad when i think about how he died so young, before he could even see the success of the nintendo switch. i’m sure many people feel the same as me… but i think it’s important to be critical of everything you consume and invest money in, nintendo is no different and by no means are they immune to criticism. people are just stuck in the illusion that nintendo is still the same nintendo from before - from when most people were painfully unaware of how they treated the smash community all this time, from when nintendo didn’t charge for online services, from when nintendo had most of their legacy content readily available on the virtual console.

THIS RIGHT HERE. Totally agree. Kinda miss the DS/Wii times. I feel, ever after the Wii U, the company started to have a lot of trouble already, with the direction they wanted to go. Make a new console? Or continue not checking the shovelware? I don't know WHAT they were doing back then already, but some agree, they're going too far, I agree.

Hello there thanks for watching the video!


You absolute legend for calling this out. It's insane the amount of mental gymnastics Nintendo fans go through.


I love how there's a clear distinction between a Nintendo fanboy and a fan of their games, such as a Mario fan or a Zelda fan. In all honesty it's near impossible to play games and not love Nintendo, even as scummy as the corporate side is. with so many beloved characters and so many great games (except Pokemon that series is ruined completely) it's a shame Nintendo doesn't understand shit when it comes to public reception. however, they get away with it anyways because of the corporate loyalists


The biggest problem with getting complaints to stick to Nintendo is honestly less on fans and more on the general consumer market.

When most companies have a big controversy it's unlikely they have a really high quality release upcoming, so the public discourse around the company will be just controversy (if they release a bad game after the controversy, it gets even worse, as those who might not have know about the controversy go to complain and find the controversy).
But Nintendo has a massive output of good games and hype announcements, so when controversy hits there's usually only a month or 2, at best, where that is the focus of public discourse and as soon as a new release comes out, people want to talk about that.

While some fans will vehemently defend Nintendo forever, I find most just want to talk about the new thing over the old thing and since the new thing tends to be good it makes it hard for negativity to fester long enough to breed actual resentment


This video is the greatest breakdown of Nintendo's bullshit that I've ever had the pleasure of watching. The way fans respond to criticism is exactly what I've witnessed before and while people are entitled to how they feel, they're only contributing to the bigger issue at hand.


Nintendo's actions have done more to help piracy than prevent it


Nintendo's hatred of roms has always confused me. The ONLY reason I own a switch is because of rom hacks getting me hooked on pokemon again

I remember i pirated Kenshi a while back to try it out. Turns out, I loved the shit out of it. I bought it later and even made a guide on steam. Who knew.


1980s nintendo: heres a plumber
everyone: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

current nintendo: all of your fangames are getting shut down
everyone: WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Nintendo: "Shuts down modders and fangame makers and gives them crippling fines so they can never work again"
Sega: "Hires fangame makers to create one of the best Sonic games to date"

Sega does what Nintendont huh.

Nintendon't let their quality drop to the point where their main character franchise is considered a fucking joke and they have to resort to having fans make their games for them, that's certainly true rofl.

Andy brandon i want to say something to you about the fangames. You said that why you will need more gemas that the original that you enjoy and boy thats some kind of joke or what? Bro the extra content. You csn actually complete all the pokemon games an then what? Wait a whole year or more for the next generation i dont know how people think about fangames so idk how you or other people feel about fangames but i see them as gsmes that can give you more things to do. Heck there is a fangame of pokemon that add 50 badges and re-invents the hole battle system snd thats fu*'*ing great.

Despite that it's true. people forget that Sega is kinda passive aggressive abt that  fact💀💀💀

Despite that it's true. people forget that Sega is kinda passive aggressive abt that  fact💀💀💀

"Cause todays modders can be tomorrows developers"-Funke

"Cause todays modders can be tomorrows developers"-Funke

@byron mitchell I get that. I just got second hand embarrassment from the "waah" post.

@byron mitchell I get that. I just got second hand embarrassment from the "waah" post.

@Bob Snob Bro I literally didn't fucking defend nintendo. I realize they come out on all platforms ok? Just you saying "omg hahaha funny he has a mario pfp lolol fanboy" pissed me off. Sorry for not realizing something immediately, like you did.

@byron mitchell Bruh, do I even need to say anything? I'm cackling rn. I honestly feel embarrassed for you. What the hell was the point of posting that?

@Bob Snob Woah oh no i have a realistic mario pfp from 3 years ago therefore i must be a nintendo fanboy waaaaahhhh. Sega good even though they still support nintendo and don't have any other consoles you can play their games on besides nintendo and playstation waaahhhhh. Waaahhhh I like to argue with people in youtube comment sections waaahhh.

@byron mitchell Im sure the guy with the Mario pfp is going to have a nuanced and intelligent take.

@byron mitchell Im sure the guy with the Mario pfp is going to have a nuanced and intelligent take.

What are we supposed to do? Sega works for Nintendo now...

What are we supposed to do? Sega works for Nintendo now...

Sega is also a failing, stumbling company that needs to beg its fanbase not to just leave

Sega is also a failing, stumbling company that needs to beg its fanbase not to just leave

Sega was on their bullshit too, they shut down Streets of Rage Remake before they sold off the IP. The SOR4 developers don't seem to mind Remake exists, so it's back.

@Rion The magnificent There already wasn't any evidence of a sequel to Mania existing, but you've made it even more ridiculous by suggesting the sequel would've come out four months after the original.

@Cybersushi I didn't draw the picture. Nintendo never asked the artist to take it down, nor have they asked me to change my profile picture. If they did, I would change it. If the artist refused to take down the image, he would be in the wrong.

@Andy Blanton well then, i guess your donkey kong pfp is against the law, because you used their character without permission, i am now calling the police on you for having an image of a cartoon monke, because some big boi company that i'm supposed to feel bad for somehow, owns that cartoon monke. that's the same argument, you cannot make anything with nintendos characters because that will definitely effect nintendo somehow. your argument  is worse than my posture.

@Andy Blanton you missed the point, fanboy

@Andy Blanton you missed the point, fanboy

So does Tsuburaya does too what Toei don't.

So does Tsuburaya does too what Toei don't.

I actually know a company that's done this recently. As of a few days ago, Videocult is now officially supporting the More Slugcats mod-expansion for Rain World.

@Andy Blanton how do you get on with your life if you dont have a life??

@Andy Blanton how do you get on with your life if you dont have a life??

@Andy Blanton Hey dude, i get your "Nintendo can enforce their rights" point, but what do you mean by "Nintendo should enforce their rights"?

@Amongusaur Nintendo's approval. You know what I mean

@Amongusaur Nintendo's approval. You know what I mean

@SquarD4RYC warhammer 40k's current situation is basically this

@SquarD4RYC warhammer 40k's current situation is basically this

@Andy Blanton "nintendo's blessing" <br>Definitely a diehard and stubborn nintendo fanboy

@Andy Blanton "nintendo's blessing"
Definitely a diehard and stubborn nintendo fanboy

Sega? Isn't that the creator of Sonic? Damn i wonder how they're doing. It's been a century since we heard from them

Sega? Isn't that the creator of Sonic? Damn i wonder how they're doing. It's been a century since we heard from them

@Andy Blanton Why?  And make your argument without saying "because I made it."

@Andy Blanton Why?  And make your argument without saying "because I made it."

@Andy Blanton Sonic is better anyways lol

@Andy Blanton Sonic is better anyways lol

@Andy Blanton "The modders and fangame makers knew the consequences going in"

"Did you see what that girl was wearing?  She was practically asking for it"

And yeah it's not lost on me that you're just beefing for funsies, but it doesn't make the point any less ignorant

Nintendo: respects mario and makes good games for him to star on<br>Sega: [Too gross for YouTube]

Nintendo: respects mario and makes good games for him to star on
Sega: [Too gross for YouTube]

Can't forget valve with some of their most successful IPs being adaptations of Half-Life 1 mods that they hired the modders to create with their full support

Sadly Sega pulled a Sega, and cancelled a sequel to Sonic mania for a sequel for that shitshow that is forces.

Sadly Sega pulled a Sega, and cancelled a sequel to Sonic mania for a sequel for that shitshow that is forces.

Sega shut down a Streets of Rage fangame tho.

Sega shut down a Streets of Rage fangame tho.

@Andy Blanton but why shouldnt we be able to make fangames? It doesnt hurt nintendo, it doesnt get them any less sales, it isnt affecting them at all

@Andy Blanton I get that this conversation has been about fan games and fan art, but how do u feel about the way Nintendo treated the competitive SSB community?

@Andy Blanton you seem to be showing up on this video alot to say dumb shit that literally does not advance the argument in any way, shape, or form, so I'm just gonna say this.

Nintendo has no business policing the internet. Everyone here will use their ip however the hell they want, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Have fun copypasting your comment again, because you literally have nothing else to offer.

@Andy Blanton It is up for debate, because we say it is, whether you want it to be up to debate or not :^)

@Andy Blanton It is up for debate, because we say it is, whether you want it to be up to debate or not :^)

@Andy Blanton Nuclesr Throne: great game, mods make it a lot more fun and interesting.

Every single Bethesda game that has mods is better with them.

Let’s not forget the Valve games originally by modders.

Fuck it look at the MOBA genre which comes from a mod.

@The Prophet That is just another reason to hate Nintendo, they DIsneyfy their stuff.

@The Prophet That is just another reason to hate Nintendo, they DIsneyfy their stuff.

@Icy Wings that's also because Sega has nothing in terms of brands that can compete with anything Nintendo dishes out. Sonic? sure... some original Sega Sonic Games are worse than flash games with sonic in the past. Why would you stop them then.

They also make ROMs readily available to purchase on PC which makes emulation and rom hacking/modding all the more easier

They also make ROMs readily available to purchase on PC which makes emulation and rom hacking/modding all the more easier

i love how people use sonic mania as an argument that sega are willing to work with fan developers when its common knowledge that Sonic Team were incredibly frustrated that consumers liked Mania much more than the simutaniously released Sonic Forces. And now you know why we haven't seen a new Mania game since. Also games like Street of Rage 4 and Alex Kidd Redux were also outsourced to toher developers because Sega couldn't be bothered to revive their own IPs themselves. So much for "supporting fan projects".

Sega also can't make a good game to save their lives however. So they greatly rely on their fans to outdo them.

Sega also can't make a good game to save their lives however. So they greatly rely on their fans to outdo them.

@Andy Blanton mean, like, they can, but enforcing it is really dumb. As in, they will have a better reputation, community, and better games if they work with people willing to work on their stuff for free. Letting people mod your games is a good way to make them last forever, hiring people who make fangames is a good way to get loyal staff, distributing fangames on the behalf of creators is a good cheap way to make a small amount of money, or if done for free, a good amount of good will

@Andy Blanton ur paying 300 dollars for something that an iphone 4s can runner better than as well as not being able to play any games more than 30fps other than the 2d super mario game especially when you put it in dock mode and connected to a monitor/tv

@SquarD4RYC ok, then what is the point? That a company should have no control over it's ip?

@SquarD4RYC ok, then what is the point? That a company should have no control over it's ip?

@Pawn so you're telling me that the games you enjoy aren't good enough, and that you need to mod those games to enjoy it?<br>Also, I couldn't care less about Pokemon and Joy-Con drift hasn't been a major issue in a couple years.

@Pawn so you're telling me that the games you enjoy aren't good enough, and that you need to mod those games to enjoy it?
Also, I couldn't care less about Pokemon and Joy-Con drift hasn't been a major issue in a couple years.

@Brandofreak If you create an ip, you should be allowed to say "hey, this is mine. Don't make media or merchandise of it without my approval."

@Andy Blanton thats great, i dont care about nintendo games ill go enjoy a modded version of something i do and YOU the person who enjoys nintendo games can wait until the release another crappy pokemon game and proceed to not be able to play it because of joycon drift

@Andy Blanton <br>Your mistake is believing copyright and trademarks are natural and good. They are neither

@Andy Blanton
Your mistake is believing copyright and trademarks are natural and good. They are neither

@SquarD4RYC Understandable. Have a good day, sir.

@SquarD4RYC Understandable. Have a good day, sir.

@Seven Kravass i should probably say, my primary goal with that comment was more some mental exercise for myself, changing this guy's mind was kinda secondary

sometimes, it's good to take apart dumb arguments and see what exactly makes 'em dumb, cuz y'never know when you'll find yourself face to face with someone like that, it's more a matter of WHEN than IF

@SquarD4RYC That guy is like talking to a wall.
He's already affected by the fanboyism of Nintendo and he will probably not realize anytime soon.
Better to just let him be, he'll never learn anyways.

@Andy Blanton i see you have completely missed the point, exactly like i expected, lmao

@Andy Blanton i see you have completely missed the point, exactly like i expected, lmao

@SquarD4RYC In option 1, people should just know better than to make fangames. With this, the biggest problem is that some degenerate gets his gay furry porn fanart options limited. In option 2, off you don't want to follow the company's fangame policies, just don't make fangames. It's as easy as that.

@Seven Kravass I have gotten on with my life. These are just side conversations I continue to have while I do so.

@Seven Kravass I have gotten on with my life. These are just side conversations I continue to have while I do so.

@Andy Blanton "Get on with my life."<br>Not something you're exactly doing right now even after one month that this video released.

@Andy Blanton "Get on with my life."
Not something you're exactly doing right now even after one month that this video released.

@Doggie_guts first, Nintendo doesn't have a problem with fanart (which is kinda weird since their primary audience is children). Second, it isn't my fanart. Third, even if I did get a cease and desist, big deal. I'd change my pfp and get on with my day.

@That One Guy I watched it a couple times.

@That One Guy I watched it a couple times.

Granted, Christian Whitehead had experience in the industry prior to Mania, but still.

Granted, Christian Whitehead had experience in the industry prior to Mania, but still.

SEGA also developed F-Zero GX, still my favorite racing game ever to this day.

SEGA also developed F-Zero GX, still my favorite racing game ever to this day.

@Andy Blanton  @Andy Blanton  and so what...

OK they own there franchise but what happens if someone steals it, dose Nintendo suffer harm ?

Most of the time stealing something dose suffer harm as that person can no longer use that item but if someone steals nintendos franchise Nintendo can still use that franchise.

OK so maybe harm can be cause in other ways so let's look a these

1. Harm could be caused by taking away sale but for one that only encourages Nintendo to make better games so they can compete, addionally any lost sales would be minor as these would mostly be played by fans who would be buying all the games anyway.

2. Harm could be caused by harming there reputation by passing it off as nintendos work. However this can be easily avoided by just putting a signal in the title that it is a fan work.

So ultimately very little harm could be caused and in return for that harm we get free games, fanart and videos and better games from Nintendo due to competition. So overall its not a bad thing

@Andy Blanton Blessing? Emp ain't lying when he calls it the Church of Nintendo

@Andy Blanton Blessing? Emp ain't lying when he calls it the Church of Nintendo

@GrayFoxHound9 he might get a siest and desist from Nintendo with that pfp

@GrayFoxHound9 he might get a siest and desist from Nintendo with that pfp

@Andy Blanton what about fan art, fan animations and videos reviewing both games and company though?

@Andy Blanton what about fan art, fan animations and videos reviewing both games and company though?

The modders and fangame makers knew the consequences going in.

The modders and fangame makers knew the consequences going in.

@GrayFoxHound9 no. Nintendo owns their franchises. Nobody else can make games based on those franchises without Nintendo's blessing. This is not up for debate and it never will be.

@Andy Blanton ain't most of it considered transformative enough and fair use provided that you are not making money from it, and if someone had money to fight with Nintendo in court, then after long and drown out battle would be able to win this case?

@Andy Blanton They can and SHOULDN'T*

You don't see so much backlash on SEGA to that front.

@Andy Blanton They can and SHOULDN'T*

You don't see so much backlash on SEGA to that front.

Nintendo can and should enforce the basic idea that an average joe cannot create material based on Nintendo's copyrighted franchises.

Nintendo can and should enforce the basic idea that an average joe cannot create material based on Nintendo's copyrighted franchises.


I'm 32 years old, and this diehard rabid cult mentality of the Nintendo fanbase (much like most gaming communities) existed even when I became a regular forum browser when I was 9...