One thing I really wished Nintendo had is the ability to respect fangames. Their acts have scared pretty much everybody, and I can't see a single fangame post without "Inb4 Nintendo takes it down"

(Apologies for ruining the 69 replies)

While over the years the DMCA jokes have mellowed down, I kinda wished they'd just respect fan content.

If only to not hear one more goddamn DMCA joke cause I'm gonna fucking lose it

Fangames are copyright infringement. In this regard, Nintendo is pretty much the only company who is actually doing their job diligently.

Fangames are copyright infringement. In this regard, Nintendo is pretty much the only company who is actually doing their job diligently.

@Astralink I haven’t seen him that often, but maybe I’m not looking in the right place. I have seen at least one other person like this if your description is correct, and that is Christopher Moon. He has a PFP of Chara from UNDERTALE.

As someone whose considering releasing a fangame in the far future, it's a terrifying prospect.

As someone whose considering releasing a fangame in the far future, it's a terrifying prospect.

It's not just a Nintendo thing Japan in general is very anti emulation and fangames

It's not just a Nintendo thing Japan in general is very anti emulation and fangames

@Swallow_Skyla Genius. Btw Pirate Bay FTW.

@Swallow_Skyla Genius. Btw Pirate Bay FTW.

@MisterZygarde64 If that happened, Nintendo would get even angrier and just resort to a scorched-earth policy. I can already imagine Nintendo of America lobbying Congress to make ROM distribution and fan games punishable more than they already are (e.g. 5 years in prison or 1 million dollar fine). Nintendo of America cooperates with the FBI to arrest fan game developers like in those movies. It would also heavily polarize and one-side the Nintendo fans. They would vehemently attack anyone who symptahizes with the devs. I'm pretty sure Nintendo would also try to make emulation illegal. I'm not exactly sure if this would happen but if it happened Nintendo would flat-out stop making those Classic consoles like the NES/SNES Classic and shut down the Wii/Wii U ROM library. Tl;dr - Nintendo gets pissed off.

@Sunky it's not that easy guys
If you are already have enough people working on a new game
Why hire more when there's no need

@Sunky it's not that easy guys
If you are already have enough people working on a new game
Why hire more when there's no need

They didn't really scare anyone. If anything, they made people angry.

They didn't really scare anyone. If anything, they made people angry.

By this point they're lost and need a severe hit in their company somehow to make them change and listen

By this point they're lost and need a severe hit in their company somehow to make them change and listen

@Da Nintendude Just based on the amount of fan games I'm able to get my hands on, yeah I don't think they enforce that stuff as hard as it sounds like they do. I think it gets confusing due to how widespread some of their past takedowns have been, like when they went after flash game sites and had every flash game with Nintendo IP in it wiped from the internet.

Idk, I'm happy people get away with it and make some incredible fan games, but I don't love Nintendo's general policy against fan-game type stuff, even if it doesn't all get taken down.

A lot of the stuff people say "Inb4 Nintendo takes it down" aren't ever even taken down.
Nintendo typically removes fangames which intend to make a profit, are remakes, or are similar to games they are going to release soon.

There are a heckton of fangames that fans expect to be taken down, but aren't, and it's because Nintendo really doesn't care. The games aren't competing with them.

@Grunkle G. If Nintendo handled this stuff better, they'd get wayyy less flack for it. The best way I've seen a fangame shut down is when fans were remaking Resident Evil 2 before Capcom announced they were doing the same thing. Capcom didn't C&D the team into the dirt, they respectfully asked them to take it down, flew the team out for a studio tour and preview of the game, and I think that fan team even made it in the credits of the actual RE2 remake. They showed respect and class to the team. I don't think every fangame dev should get flown out to Japan or anything, but when Nintendo has fans diehard enough to be pumping this kind of content out all the time, those fans deserve a lot better than a form letter threatening legal action.

theres a few, mainly ctgp, AWBW, and pokemon showdown.

theres a few, mainly ctgp, AWBW, and pokemon showdown.

One thing I've noticed is that whenever a Nintendo fangame gets shut down, it's usually because they're going to end up releasing a similar product very soon, already have a similar existing product out there, or is just zorn stuff. We've seen this with things like AM2R and Samus Returns, Pixelmon and that one Pokemon Quest Game, the Super Mario Bros. battle royale game and Mario 30, Mario 64 HD, that one Princess Peach game, etc. That's why certain things like Pokemon ROM Hacks, SSF2, and the Mother 3 fan translation have been up and running for years. I feel like they have a dedicated fangane analysis team that keeps tabs on all manner of fan projects, and as soon as they calculate a fan project to pose enough of a "threat", that's when they send their ninjas. I wouldn't say what they're doing is even necessary, much less right, since I think most people would still be willing to pick up an official product, and pretty much any fangame will always have a message telling you to support the original creators. If Nintendo wants to continue taking everything else down (unedited ROMs, music, various mods, etc.) I just wish it was a sign of more things to come, but with things like a baren library of old games and no official Nintendo music service, it doesn't seem like that's the case

@WonderousAqua You saw what happened with Pokemon Uranium. I don't think it was even fully finished when people spread news of it's existence and within 4 days of appearing in Kotaku, Nintendo C&D'ed the project.

@Augustus Bohn Projects like Pokémon Uranium, full screen Mario, Breath of the NES and AM2R were complete free and still got ceased and decisted by Nintendo.<br>I dont get why people still bother making fan ganes out of Nintendo's ip, they'll always come after you.

@Augustus Bohn Projects like Pokémon Uranium, full screen Mario, Breath of the NES and AM2R were complete free and still got ceased and decisted by Nintendo.
I dont get why people still bother making fan ganes out of Nintendo's ip, they'll always come after you.

well, you're not wrong<br>because of this, in a few pokemon fangame communities, i actually do see people scared to release their works on the internet all because of the fear that they might get DMCA'd

well, you're not wrong
because of this, in a few pokemon fangame communities, i actually do see people scared to release their works on the internet all because of the fear that they might get DMCA'd

@MisterZygarde64 I wish Nintendo fans weren't all casuals. Usually whene a big drama happens gamers can cause a noticable dip in sales of a game but not with Nintendo.

No clue why they take down fangames. That’s basically free exposure for Nintendo, they’re actively hurting themselves by banning tournaments and generally being a sick to their fans

@RayMinishi ah yes because fan games that do something similar to the original but offer something unique are such terrible travesties. i suppose black mesa is a case of pure copyright infringement and needs to be taken down and destroyed. or that Bethesda should start suing the people behind the unofficial patches. or that all the mods you make in Skyrim should be sold with Bethesda taking a 70% cut.

@Kaimax_61 because putting out calls for help is so easy to do discreetly

@Kaimax_61 because putting out calls for help is so easy to do discreetly

@HarryBoBarry i don’t want to make a silly game however

@HarryBoBarry i don’t want to make a silly game however

Unlike the nintendo, sega does what nindendont

Unlike the nintendo, sega does what nindendont

Fangames should have a limited amount of crowdfunding with no limit from private donations. As long as they're not being sold for profit and the developers don't see a cent, they should be legally protected.

I wish nintendo took fan games and rom hacks like sega who fully support fans creativitt and even published a fan game now known as sonic mania I especialy wish they apreciated fan games since I work on multiple

Actually, youd be suprised. Nintendo doesnt seem to ever go after true fan games, only ones with pornographic material, ask for monetary gains, remakes of existing games or mods that make it better then theirs using the base of their game, or if its a Pokemon fangame, in which case it's handled very differently. Still scummy as hell, but suprising how people have never seemed to notice this outline

That's why Emp saying that Nintendo fans dont do enough to show their concern kind of annoyed me, because we do. We always do, but theres that ignorant side who doesnt care and just think "NiNtEnDo mAkE gOoD gAmE" still a great video as always.

@RayMinishi
Same reason people write fanfiction.  There’s a certain appeal to playing in a sandbox you enjoy, and is a shared pleasure between the creator and the rest of the fanbase of said franchise.

It’s not hurting anyone, least of all their profit margins.

What's the problem? Just DON'T ANNOUNCE you're working on it and then release it when it's done, into the wild west of torrents. And they'll never be able to do anything about that.

Well I animate too on my YouTube channel (but the difference is I defend Nintendo and respect their manners. But I listen and respect with positive and respectful fans. not fans who use Iwata's death over a $20 online membership and a $25 Zelda amiibo, I would love to explain the whole story but I already did multiple times on my YouTube channel and I just don't want to bury any more haters, This entire thing they did last year has already sailed.) yeah I've seen this man everywhere I go. Unreal, The official Nintendo YouTube, Super Mario 64 beta archive, and other musics made by Nintendo. Yeah I've seen this man everywhere.

SEGA sure got its own flaws, but they respect their fans a lot to the point they let them work on official stuff. I wish Nintendo can do the same.

SEGA sure got its own flaws, but they respect their fans a lot to the point they let them work on official stuff. I wish Nintendo can do the same.

@Picky Physics Student If fangames allegedly surpass their original works, why would they allow them to exist?

@Picky Physics Student If fangames allegedly surpass their original works, why would they allow them to exist?

@Picky Physics Student You say that, I guarantee you lost your shit from seeing Metroid Dread and they've got your money at this point.

So do make a case in point about how fanprojects, which are under no sales expectations and deadlines with room for all sorts of flexibility to compare against a team making it.

One thing I wish is for fangames to become INSPIRED to have its own identity.

But in turn we get Copyrighted material infringed while repurposed or adjusted while it gets protected and seized by its Parent company and you've got the Fangame simps going "Fucking old ass Nintendo, so old school, they'll never be with the times"

You don't start drawing on someone's notebook nor imitiate their style. You draw on your own and craft your own style.

It's a never ending cycle that's honestly entertaining. Axiom Verge and Pizza Tower are fine examples of inspiration take its own identity.

Pokemon Uranium and AM2R were projects that waited with a noose around their neck the moment it was pubicly available. Only for you know how to come in and stop it.

D'y'all remember how they took down Pixelmon, which was a Minecraft mod in the works since...geez, I don't even <i>know</i> how old it was but the OG Drowzee model definitely showed a long history...JUST BECAUSE they were releasing Pokemon Quest, which also involved Pokemon shaped into cubes? And, ironically, Pokemon Quest is shit even by spinoff game standards?

D'y'all remember how they took down Pixelmon, which was a Minecraft mod in the works since...geez, I don't even _know_ how old it was but the OG Drowzee model definitely showed a long history...JUST BECAUSE they were releasing Pokemon Quest, which also involved Pokemon shaped into cubes? And, ironically, Pokemon Quest is shit even by spinoff game standards?

@Glendell Smith Kotaku is responsible for the takedowns of so many fangames and mods that it's not even funny anymore.

@Glendell Smith Kotaku is responsible for the takedowns of so many fangames and mods that it's not even funny anymore.

Legit stopped a majority of fan games being made due to fear of their lives being destroyed oof :T

Legit stopped a majority of fan games being made due to fear of their lives being destroyed oof :T

Pokemon Uranium & Another Metriod 2 Remake are leagues better than anything Nintendo have made for those respective series, in the past decade. Pokemon is a series which is too popular for its own good, that they don't even need to try anymore. At the time, Metriod was dorment for a decade and the release of Chibi Federation Force was a slap in the face, about as much as Amiibo Festival was to Animal Crossing Fans.<br>A majour problem with Nintendo is that they are under no pressure to deliver. Seeing fangames surpass their original works must be embarassing for them.

Pokemon Uranium & Another Metriod 2 Remake are leagues better than anything Nintendo have made for those respective series, in the past decade. Pokemon is a series which is too popular for its own good, that they don't even need to try anymore. At the time, Metriod was dorment for a decade and the release of Chibi Federation Force was a slap in the face, about as much as Amiibo Festival was to Animal Crossing Fans.
A majour problem with Nintendo is that they are under no pressure to deliver. Seeing fangames surpass their original works must be embarassing for them.

Ffs the lawyers are nicknamed Nintendo ninjas

Ffs the lawyers are nicknamed Nintendo ninjas

Yeah, especially the ones that branch off from the original properties and don’t harm profit at all

Yeah, especially the ones that branch off from the original properties and don’t harm profit at all

The emulation problems are just as bad a problem if not worse. Lost history and destroyed future history are both pretty important so I can see where you're coming from though

I straight up get scared whenever a youtuber or online article talks about a fan project, because I don't want them to get noticed by Ninty and inevitably shut down

@Servers it really doesn't matter as long as you put it out for free. copyright is overrated

@Servers it really doesn't matter as long as you put it out for free. copyright is overrated

@HarryBoBarry or just, make it in secret until its done....

@HarryBoBarry or just, make it in secret until its done....

The best way to make fan games is to not use actual characters. Like make a Metroid game, but instead of a varia suit wearing bird lady, make the main character a dongus suit wearing alligator man. Then sell it on Steam.

Yea they even went after a porn game of all things

Yea they even went after a porn game of all things

@Astralink Alright, hope you're having a good day :]

@Astralink Alright, hope you're having a good day :]

@Glendell Smith nah only bad thing that’s happened recently was a rom hacker being stalked by Nintendo, but the dude was trying to sell the roms, which is illegal. The rest distribute for free

Some gets away with it sometimes...until Kotaku makes an article about it.

Some gets away with it sometimes...until Kotaku makes an article about it.

@Pixelcraftian its not a problem really, its just funny that youre on every comment section i check

@Pixelcraftian its not a problem really, its just funny that youre on every comment section i check

pokemon has been doing fine. Insurgence is still up after years, rom hacks have been growing fast recently, and a world champion has even been playing them (wolfe glick)

@tHEChannel i dont actually watch anything about nintendo

@tHEChannel i dont actually watch anything about nintendo

@Pixelcraftian they're just spooked by how much they see you in comments. I'm assuming you're a Nintendo fan, and they're a Nintendo fan, so you two probably see the same content plenty much

I wonder what would happen if a fan game creator were to have responded by doxxing their lawyers, a bunch of people vandalized their headquarters until they stopped with the practices, or if a bunch of fan game creators came together to make a fan game that was designed to piss off Nintendo?

I’m not saying the former two should happen, I’m just morbidly curious.

that one metal gear solid 4 npc in chapter 2: ! oh, it's you again!

that one metal gear solid 4 npc in chapter 2: ! oh, it's you again!

@Astralink if he/she/they are everywhere, you are too, you special human

@Astralink if he/she/they are everywhere, you are too, you special human

@Astralink I just wanna comment lol, don't see why it's a problem

@Astralink I just wanna comment lol, don't see why it's a problem

Bro please tell me how youre everywhere youre scary

Bro please tell me how youre everywhere youre scary


A few years ago, I wrote an email to Nintendo about a solution to the problem of privacy - I suggested allowing people to download ROMs from Nintendo directly - and rather than paying for them, the user has to watch a series of ads that pays Nintendo the same amount as if money were exchanged.

Nintendo's response wasn't to take on board what I said, but instead to imply that I was a rampant pirate and that I should stop pirating video games.

A few years later thousands of Android apps started doing this - exchanging in-app purchases for watching ads.

It works and people know it.


essays and documentaries are like songs in that you can tell how skilled the writers/musicians are by how they conclude their piece, and you wrapped yours up in a very clever way. great work.


I mistook "The worship is far from over" for "The WARSHIP is far from over."<br>And now I can't stop imagining Mario and Luigi in sailor outfits on the JS Nintendo.

I mistook "The worship is far from over" for "The WARSHIP is far from over."
And now I can't stop imagining Mario and Luigi in sailor outfits on the JS Nintendo.


Almost entirely unrelated: but it's so wild how we develop skills and some of us never use them again. I say this because you can tell the time spent on YouTube poops have lead to Emp's engaging editing. Respect on reusing the skill you developed!


EmpLemon if this video has taught me anything it's that Twitter will somehow play a role in the death of humanity. The downward spiral hits close to home these days

@draguO doT the people on Twitter is hated on most platforms. If they try to migrate to YouTube it would fail since it’s so mainstream and not an echo chamber

well we gotta keep the demons inside something dont we

well we gotta keep the demons inside something dont we

@Mr.Preston 16 tiktok is the child of twitter since most users there are mostly the same but covered up by cringe

@Rajdeep K Tiktok isn’t even that bad it’s just cringy

@Rajdeep K Tiktok isn’t even that bad it’s just cringy

I swear twitter is the WORST thing on all social media rn. Maybe tied up with TikTok. I cant even imagine children being on these 2 apps, but unfortunately alot of children do, and fuck knows what kind of shitty opinions are influencing them, if not outright radicalising them.

@Trikki Clips At this point, I feel sad for the people who run and work on Twitter, their platform is basically more negative than how many ants are in my kitchen

Twitter is Tumblr's replacement. Aka shit.

Twitter is Tumblr's replacement. Aka shit.

Twitter is evil. And it should be shut down for good because of it

Twitter is evil. And it should be shut down for good because of it

@Crivyt So do other social media/forum sites. There's a reason Twitter is regarded as one of the worst.

Twitter is the reason we never got the sequel to "FEZ".

Twitter is the reason we never got the sequel to "FEZ".

twitter is meant to only cause suffering and pain. thats its only purpose yet i still log on.

@NostalgiaGaming agreed, and there's no stopping people on Twitter

@NostalgiaGaming agreed, and there's no stopping people on Twitter

@Vinnie Hatcher No, I just believe the Twitter climate should change, as in influencers not being on top.

@TwinTails100 He's already done a scathing critique of Twitter though, do we actually need a part 2?

I'd rather we get a sequel to "YouTube Has Been on a Downward Spiral" first.

I see this 1st comment, and the first thing I think is "that's the force of what I call fanboyism"

@IceFairy Fan Nice Non Biased view on this, exactly my thoughts too...

@IceFairy Fan Nice Non Biased view on this, exactly my thoughts too...

@Judner Joly that’s good because they’ll just go back to tumblr

@Judner Joly that’s good because they’ll just go back to tumblr

well at least you will be able to distinguish foolish people by just knowing that they use Twitter

The issue is that historically, stupid people never had a way to voice their opinions to millions of other stupid people. Now they do. Yay

twitter will start, and almost has started, world war three.<br>so no suprise there.

twitter will start, and almost has started, world war three.
so no suprise there.

Twitter takes anything fun or insignificant and turns it into a debate between insane and "lol le funy post-irony memes" people

@Simple Weirdo "containment" doesn't work to stop the spread of toxicity or ideas, it incubates them. compare 4chan before the addition of /pol/ to now.

@Vinnie Hatcher This "fad" has been going on for the better part of ten years.<br>At this point it seems like it's here to stay.

@Vinnie Hatcher This "fad" has been going on for the better part of ten years.
At this point it seems like it's here to stay.

@Vinnie Hatcher It's been a thing for years.

@Vinnie Hatcher It's been a thing for years.

@Vinnie Hatcher i certainly hope so, i remember when tumblr outrage was a thing and now that site is hardly talked about to my knowledge

@NostalgiaGaming Honestly, it is the internet community in a nutshell. You are certainly right.

Twitter isn't a problem, it's people on Twitter that is the problem. It doesn't matter if Twitter exists or not, as long as they can collide and communicate on the internet. Every place would be a cesspool of hate and arguments, nothing you can do except ignore it and move on.

@Trikki ClipsSame on YouTube as well, but not as bad, I guess...

@Trikki ClipsSame on YouTube as well, but not as bad, I guess...

Im a firm believer that twitter is mostly an actual social cult

Im a firm believer that twitter is mostly an actual social cult

I'd disagree with this take if it werent for the fact that YouTube's commentary scene is literally just Twitter but a lot more civil.

@Gotz the Ironhand Is there a source for this? It seems pretty interesting if true.

Did his video about twitter not already convince you of that?

Did his video about twitter not already convince you of that?

I'm glad I never got into twitter from  all the stuff  I've been seeing for the past few years, It's honestly  sad how people bandwagon on the hate train instead of  stopping to think about what's happening

what it was like to be so young repping my side of the internet so hard
it brings 1 nostalgic tear to my eye
im thankful for twitter for being a useful tool in the rise the greatest artist of all time: lil b

Hey man, I got friends that are game developers, thanks to twitter, I got opportunities.

@Simple Weirdo I think the problem of twitter is not just the deranged user base but also the deranged mods. They ban you if you aren’t deranged so there are no contradicting voices. They endlessly will one up each other and now it’s not only normal but required to be deranged. Plus they banned anyone interesting.<br>Edit: spelling

@Simple Weirdo I think the problem of twitter is not just the deranged user base but also the deranged mods. They ban you if you aren’t deranged so there are no contradicting voices. They endlessly will one up each other and now it’s not only normal but required to be deranged. Plus they banned anyone interesting.
Edit: spelling

Twitter is where now left wingers introduce increasingly left wing ideas. Plus it’s where normal people go to have mental breakdowns.

Lol twitter's downfall is already imminent. Ask anyone who uses the internet "do you think twitter is a good platform or "do you like twitter". Also, they are losing users year on year rather than gaining, toxic places usually implode or bleed out because guess what, people generally dont like toxic places lol.

@Vinnie Hatcher Probably not, Twitter just enables people to unleash their true nature with the fake comfort of anonimity

@Perdedores, Inc. He literally shown screenshots of it during the "human shield of fanboys" part 19:18

I don't think the word Twitter was spoken once in this entire video, what are you talking about?

@Vinnie Hatcher i hope that it is, and that it's going out of fashion soon.

@Trikki Clips Eh, I'm sure this whole Twitter outrage thing's a fad.

@Trikki Clips Eh, I'm sure this whole Twitter outrage thing's a fad.

Twitter is just people expressing their opinions and other people getting mad about those opinions differing from theirs. Its bad.


This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen! Thanks for bringing light to this!!


and less than a year later, you can't even ratio these companies anymore

@Daniel Pruitt it's almost like they're all cowards and lobby for superficial things to preserve a flimsy image


I hate this video. Really struck me deep. But you earned my sub my friend. I've tried to explain what nintendo was like than and now. Thank you for helping me prove that point without trying to do in depth research. AND as much as I hate to see one of the companies who MADE my childhood. own my favorite games of all time. have the most deep and fondest memories of all time. I hate to see what has become. And I'm so happy to see a video I may albeit be skeptical about, that proves my feelings. This is my therapy whether I like it or not.


Some interesting info came to light about how Japan (in general) is WAY more strict with emulation and roms, and how Nintendo's audience there are more like casual players, the ones who aren't nearly invested enough in video games to go online and keep up to date with what they do on a regular basis.

Seems like it's their home country that enabled their shitty business practices.

Guess what company pushed for Japanese Law to be that way.

Nintendos fanbase is mostly casual who don't care, that's why this video is aimed at the corporate bootliickers who can change Nintendo for the better if they demand it


@Honky Honk jet set radio was good :-(.....

@Honky Honk jet set radio was good :-(.....

Sega is better in every way and then nintendo besides the games they make

Sega is better in every way and then nintendo besides the games they make

In some ways like fan treatment and emulation, you’re right.

In some ways like fan treatment and emulation, you’re right.

Yeah because constantly screwing over third parties, series of bad managements, development crunch that almost resulted in one of the developers nearly dying & not giving fan developers their royalties is clearly better am I right ?

@Daniele Mulas I never said I was relevant and I don't want to argue.

@Daniele Mulas I never said I was relevant and I don't want to argue.

@dbalsley85 Like whatever you want, doesn't make you or the game relevant.

@dbalsley85 Like whatever you want, doesn't make you or the game relevant.

@Daniele Mulas I think that sonic mania is pretty fun but keep your own opinion dude

@Daniele Mulas I think that sonic mania is pretty fun but keep your own opinion dude

Ironically this is true in more ways than one. When the dream cast failed and Sega was close to death the ceo of their parent company spat in the eyes of his executives begging for him to bring the are down and personally loaned Sdga the funds to transition into software development..... and then on his deathbed he released that loan to Sega and gave them his stock so they could not only survive but live on....... it's kinda funny that two of the biggest game company rivals of the 80's had some of the most amazing bosses who went above and beyond to help their company in trying times.

@Retro80sMan Both companies are good in their own ways

@Retro80sMan Both companies are good in their own ways

This reply chain is a dumpster fire lmao.

This reply chain is a dumpster fire lmao.

Still doing what Nintendon't way long after its console making days are over.

Still doing what Nintendon't way long after its console making days are over.

We don't talk about Sega anymore since it reminds us of...them

We don't talk about Sega anymore since it reminds us of...them

This entire comment section forgot what a opinion is lol

This entire comment section forgot what a opinion is lol

@SoupOrScooper So did I, actually. Ask the folks who still seem to have a beef over the comments left a month ago lmao

@SoupOrScooper So did I, actually. Ask the folks who still seem to have a beef over the comments left a month ago lmao

@Daniele Mulas hey, dude. You've been going at it for over a month. Take a break. I forgot this conversation even existed till just barely.

@Daniele Mulas hey, dude. You've been going at it for over a month. Take a break. I forgot this conversation even existed till just barely.

@Daniele Mulas Aliens: Colonial Marines was released on February 12, 2013. Alien: Isolation was released on October 7, 2014. Colonial Marines came first. Get your facts straight.

dreamcast gang! who else is watching on a modded dreamcast?

dreamcast gang! who else is watching on a modded dreamcast?

With how they treated our boy Sonic...that's debateable.

With how they treated our boy Sonic...that's debateable.

Bro this comment section just gave me cancer

Bro this comment section just gave me cancer

Be cool if they made good games again, and maybe a console

Be cool if they made good games again, and maybe a console

Looks like i just see another day of a war zone in youtube comments.

Looks like i just see another day of a war zone in youtube comments.

Nintendo games are overrated as fuck, just saying.

Nintendo games are overrated as fuck, just saying.

@Daniele Mulas found the Nintendo fanboy

@Daniele Mulas found the Nintendo fanboy

This comment section is hilarious.<br>We all know the best console was the Gamecast.

This comment section is hilarious.
We all know the best console was the Gamecast.

"Sonic is a shit franchise"

said the Banjo-Kazooie fan

"Sonic is a shit franchise"

said the Banjo-Kazooie fan

We don't talk about SOR remake takedown, it's just one kill compared to Nintendo's mass genocide

We don't talk about SOR remake takedown, it's just one kill compared to Nintendo's mass genocide

@Marx and to be fair marketing. Sega just never could make a cermercial. But I never got to see the Japanese ones so maybe bias against amariacan consumers in production and marketing. I wonder if you can still find the Dreamcast commercial that opens "we could have cured cancer, we could have cured AIDS, instead we made you a console so that you can play video games and forget the world around you for just a little while. We hope you're happy..."

@Marx I've heard the battery's thing too but they both ate batteries. Pokemon is a valid point, until you realize game gear had megami Tensei and they just never ported it to English. So really what you have is Japan not cooperating with the American division leading to missed opportunities.

@sovos
there was no bigotry, both SEGA of America and SEGA of Japan did stupid decisions simply because they were bad at handling things and tried to push people for their own goals rather than cooperating.

game gear failed because it ate batteries even more than the game boy and came out later. both batteries and consoles/games were extremely highly pricey back then, but game boy came out a bit earlier and was the less overly pricey option, so it sold incredibly. oh, and pokemon became some of the most absurdly well selling and overrated franchises to ever exist, but that was a bit late.

@sovos
there was no bigotry, both SEGA of America and SEGA of Japan did stupid decisions simply because they were bad at handling things and tried to push people for their own goals rather than cooperating.

game gear failed because it ate batteries even more than the game boy and came out later. both batteries and consoles/games were extremely highly pricey back then, but game boy came out a bit earlier and was the less overly pricey option, so it sold incredibly. oh, and pokemon became some of the most absurdly well selling -and overrated- franchises to ever exist, but that was a bit late.

@Marx Sega USA and Sega America have a long and well-documented history. If it was not for Sega USA's bigotry against Sega America simply for not being Japanese saga would be much more successful company. Technologically they've always been Superior. Just compare the green and black game boy to the full color game gear. Kind of hard to say the size was what killed it now that the switch is so popular.

@sovos <br>there's a lot of things sega did wrong but i don't think i can really blame them for the one you chose to point out

@sovos
there's a lot of things sega did wrong but i don't think i can really blame them for the one you chose to point out

Sega has always been the leader in technology. It's unfortunate they're so bigoted against Americans.

Sega has always been the leader in technology. It's unfortunate they're so bigoted against Americans.

@Daniele Mulas surprisingly based, neither nintendo or sega are good and yeah mania is a mediocre rehash.

@Daniele Mulas surprisingly based, neither nintendo or sega are good and yeah mania is a mediocre rehash.

This is the inverse of the “marios better” comment and I love it.

This is the inverse of the “marios better” comment and I love it.

Yeah but Nintendo allowed uncensored games

Yeah but Nintendo allowed uncensored games

@GodZpeed X7II Okay, a few things…

1. Your replies indicate that you may be under the age of 13, the legal requirement for creating a YouTube channel. If that’s the case, you may want to reconsider your battles here.

2. If that’s not the case, but you’re baiting, it’s bad bait. Very ineffective, and makes you look more pathetic than anything else.

3. If this is NOT bait, then this would indicate that you’re a Nintendrone, and this is coming from someone who places neither corporation on a pedestal. If so, the video at the top of the page would be a great resource to allow you to either break out of it, or at least admit that you are one.

4. If you truly do not believe that you are a Nintendrone…I hope you’re okay. The short and numerous comments indicate stress and the frequency of your comments may indicate signs of a lack of mental wellbeing. If that’s the case, then as someone who has suffered from, and witnessed accounts of mental illness, you should reach out to someone. Or at the very least reduce your comment activity. I hope you can get the help you need.

@Paully I like how overly defensive of some goofy ass JRPG (Yakuza 7) or Shenmue rip-offs. Who called them bad anyway ?

@Paully I like how overly defensive of some goofy ass JRPG (Yakuza 7) or Shenmue rip-offs. Who called them bad anyway ?

I agree for some reason<br>Even though my childhood is more on the gameboy

I agree for some reason
Even though my childhood is more on the gameboy

@Ledet Brothers I saw over 200 replies lol. It was to be expected

@Ledet Brothers I saw over 200 replies lol. It was to be expected

@Kael Eklund In the fan project departement, yes.

@Kael Eklund In the fan project departement, yes.

@Daniele Mulas says Nintendo that pays 60 dollars for old games and cough cough super Mario 3D all star cough cough

@Daniele Mulas says Nintendo that pays 60 dollars for old games and *cough cough* super Mario 3D all star *cough cough*

@GodZpeed X7II How am I saying bs? You're evident proof of my point.<br>I like Nintendo as much as the next guy but their practices have been borderline evil.

@GodZpeed X7II How am I saying bs? You're evident proof of my point.
I like Nintendo as much as the next guy but their practices have been borderline evil.

I like how people here are trying to lump Yakuza in as a bad game with zero proof.

I like how people here are trying to lump Yakuza in as a bad game with zero proof.

@GodZpeed X7II You admitted to Sonic 3&K being good by saying it is second to Super Mario World!
TAKE THAT!

@GodZpeed X7II You admitted to Sonic 3&K being good by saying it is second to Super Mario World!
*TAKE THAT!*

@GodZpeed X7II Bruh we all know Super Mario Bros. 3 is better then Super Mario World.

@GodZpeed X7II Bruh we all know Super Mario Bros. 3 is better then Super Mario World.

@GodZpeed X7II Doesn't have the same ring to it

@GodZpeed X7II Doesn't have the same ring to it

You know when the guys , really likes something, just for the fact they have to respond every comment who don't agree with them, in a commentary of a guy who just want to make a quick joke.

@GodZpeed X7II <br>How are you doing to know the quality if aren't going to play it?

@GodZpeed X7II
How are you doing to know the quality if aren't going to play it?

@GodZpeed X7II That's true. Sega these days sucks. For once, you got ONE thing right lol

@GodZpeed X7II That's true. Sega these days sucks. For once, you got ONE thing right lol

@GodZpeed X7II sega does own atlus. And a lot of people agree that persona 5 is a good RPG. I find the genesis sonic games fun, as do many others, the hatsune miku project diva rhythm games are well made. Like them or hate them, sega does make good games. If you are willing to play a diversity of games, there is something for anyone. Please stop acting like you're 5, and blindly defending Nintendo from threats that don't exist

@aa 12 Nintendo treats workers and customers right

@aa 12 Nintendo treats workers and customers right

@WakkaSeta What kind of mind do you have to bash on Nintendo and ignore Luis’s facts

@WakkaSeta What kind of mind do you have to bash on Nintendo and ignore Luis’s facts

@Not Freeman Nope. Sega still sucks but Nintendon’t

@Not Freeman Nope. Sega still sucks but Nintendon’t

@Ike Okereke Lol nope. Your open world game is going to suck

@Ike Okereke Lol nope. Your open world game is going to suck

@An Autistic Hegehog YOU CAN GET THIS ON NINTENDO

GENESIS SUCKS

@An Autistic Hegehog YOU CAN GET THIS ON NINTENDO

GENESIS SUCKS

@An Autistic Hegehog YOU CANT GET THIS ON SEGA

@An Autistic Hegehog YOU CANT GET THIS ON SEGA

@jsweeney7359 No the video is wrong and what Nintendo is doing is morally right.

@jsweeney7359 No the video is wrong and what Nintendo is doing is morally right.

@jsweeney7359 Objectively is NOT and what he said about Sega games being shit is a fact

@jsweeney7359 Objectively is NOT and what he said about Sega games being shit is a fact

Didn’t they support NFTs as well as fuck up the dev teams for Sonic X-treme & Boom?

Didn’t they support NFTs as well as fuck up the dev teams for Sonic X-treme & Boom?

@aa 12 Sonic games being shit for over a decade, killing off the Alien franchise and just prioritizing Yakuza and Persona while leaving the rest dead in the water is hardly "alright"

@Honky Honk I don't say this often but...

Bruh

@Honky Honk I don't say this often but...

Bruh

@Zero123 Alpha One single overrated JRPG. Decent, but not enough to make up for the lackluster library SEGA has to offer.

@Zero123 Alpha One single overrated JRPG. Decent, but not enough to make up for the lackluster library SEGA has to offer.

@Daniele Mulas atlus? I mean they made persona 5

@Daniele Mulas atlus? I mean they made persona 5

@Luis Alfonso Pinto <br>What kind of doublethink does it take to defend Nintendo and support emulation at the same time?

@Luis Alfonso Pinto
What kind of doublethink does it take to defend Nintendo and support emulation at the same time?

How many times will this notion go on?

1.- Melee tournaments and the fanbase divide the attention towards Ultimate, which is their "latest" Smash that is still being sold. Nintendo literally has nothing to gain from Melee being around and do not want to remotely support them due to various reasons (using copied versions of the game), hacking the game with Slippy, their constant non-esports and immature actions (Smash tourneys being considered smelly, throwing crabs at people, etc.) and again, no profit incentive.
Nintendo literally has no reason to remotely care about Melee and its audience.

2.- Fangames literally take from the original source for free. They are not just going to hire every impressive game team because as a company, they have to discuss and approve every project, so just saying "Yeah, champ. Let's rerelease Super Mario 64 with mods together!" isn't going to happen if the board does not think SM64 or any other fan game project won't sell or if it interrupts the success of other products.

3.- Mother 3 will never be localized because of the touchy elements ( drug scene comes to mind) that are in there. Unless it is getting remade, the original GBA game will never, ever be localized.
If censored or altered significally, will it even be worth it anymore? Just use an Emulator.

4.- Mario 3D All-Stars IS the definitive versions of those games officially. It does not matter how good the Spyro or Crash remakes are since they are NOT Mario.
Mario's games are more valuable in the market than most of Sony's mascots combined. The Prime minister dressed up as Mario, the Kansai airport has Mario welcome you to Japan, Mario games STOMP most if not all of the mascots from other companies.
There is no reason for Nintendo to suddenly remake games that are already valuable and "good" as they are.

Also the video calling whoever they disagree in infantile manchildren is pity.
Anyone with basic study of marketing can recognize the reason behind what nintendo does.

Video creator's bias revealed in hearting this comment. LOL!!!

Video creator's bias revealed in hearting this comment. LOL!!!

Cybershell, who said you could take a break from researching Chao?

Cybershell, who said you could take a break from researching Chao?

@Exodus N: "This single, non serious comment was enough to make a ton of people scream and cry. Nice.
"

Yeah I feel like Cybershell made this comment just to mess with people and from all the responses it spawned I'd say he succeeded.

@Exodus N: _"This single, non serious comment was enough to make a ton of people scream and cry. Nice.
"_

Yeah I feel like Cybershell made this comment just to mess with people and from all the responses it spawned I'd say he succeeded.

Knowing that Cybershell watches EmpLemon is awesome. Seeing that EmpLemon gave a heart to the comment makes it mega awesome.
<br>Also knowing Cybershell, I’m sure he made this very short and blunt statement to troll people and looking at the amount of replies it looks like he succeeded in doing that.

Knowing that Cybershell watches EmpLemon is awesome. Seeing that EmpLemon gave a heart to the comment makes it mega awesome.
Also knowing Cybershell, I’m sure he made this very short and blunt statement to troll people and looking at the amount of replies it looks like he succeeded in doing that.

@GodZpeed X7 Well, I'm not the one responding to every single criticism about Nintendo's practices.
Choose your hills to die on more wisely.
They won't give a you cookie, fool.

@GodZpeed X7 <br>Who cares about Sonic Adventure? Can't wait for the next open-world, exploration -focus, physics-based 3D Sonic game.

@GodZpeed X7
Who cares about Sonic Adventure? Can't wait for the next open-world, exploration -focus, physics-based 3D Sonic game.

@GodZpeed X7 I actually have. In fact, Super Metroid is one of my favorite games, second only to Sonic 3 & Knuckles
TAKE THAT!!!

@GodZpeed X7 I actually have. In fact, Super Metroid is one of my favorite games, second only to Sonic 3 & Knuckles
*TAKE THAT!!!*

Hell yeah

...Can we please get a new Thunder Force or Shinobi now

Hell yeah

...Can we please get a new Thunder Force or Shinobi now

How long have you been watching EmpLemon?

How long have you been watching EmpLemon?

yeah this was the sort of comment i expected from cybershell

yeah this was the sort of comment i expected from cybershell

This single, non serious comment was enough to make a ton of people scream and cry. Nice.

This single, non serious comment was enough to make a ton of people scream and cry. Nice.

@Diamond Miner Why don't you begin by moving to North Korea or China ?

@Diamond Miner Why don't you begin by moving to North Korea or China ?

@Monke Lounge "OnE oF ThE gReAtEsT SoNiC gAmEs Of ThE dEcAdE"

The fact that people treat an overbloated nostalgia rehash as factually the best thing since sliced bread, shows how rock bottom this franchise has sunk. Pathetic.

Oh, and SEGA scared said fan game dev off for good with their malpractices, so no sequel is coming. Ever.

@Snapchat Snacks Here, here. Sega employees often denounced xenophobia or the utter greed. Not to mention, they layed off practically everyone who worked on Unleashed and Generations. That's how bad SEGA is.

Sega from 2000’s called they want your dreamcast back

Sega from 2000’s called they want your dreamcast back

@Daniele Mulas I heard about that. Considering how bad working conditions are in gaming if Sega has especially bad ones that id a problem. I don't like Nintendo but I have to give them props on the treatment of employees. Satora Iwata took a pay cut to avoid firing people. How many gaming company presidents do you think would do that.

isn't this the guy who said "fuck you SEGA" every time he jumped in sonic 2

isn't this the guy who said "fuck you SEGA" every time he jumped in sonic 2

Cybershell fails the don’t be based challenge again

Cybershell fails the don’t be based challenge again

I feel like Cybershell and EmpLemon are distant relatives

I feel like Cybershell and EmpLemon are distant relatives

In terms of public relations, yes. It’s just a shame that their games division can organise itself as well. Sega and Nintendo are complete opposites in that regard and unfortunately Nintendo’s side of the coin can keep a company afloat much easier.

First of all, they’re really not. Second of all, you’re missing the point. Companies are basically equally terrible and should not be put on pedestals. The only solution is communism and the death of private industry.

Nice from Sega to invite us over for a picnic, Gay Luigi

Nice from Sega to invite us over for a picnic, Gay Luigi

Look at all them Nintendo and SEGA fans arguing with each other.

I’m gonna get some popcorn.

Look at all them Nintendo and SEGA fans arguing with each other.

I’m gonna get some popcorn.

As someone who grew up with Nintendo, I agree

As someone who grew up with Nintendo, I agree

𝐄𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐜 𝐌𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐃𝐨𝐯𝐞

I mean Sega hired fan game creators to make sonic games. Sega still does what Nintendon't

I mean Sega hired fan game creators to make sonic games. Sega still does what Nintendon't

Make super mario world gameplay ,but everytime you jump , you say "fuck Nintendo,sega is better."

Make super mario world gameplay ,but everytime you jump , you say "fuck Nintendo,sega is better."

the replies to this comment are nuclear. thanks, cybershell of sonic fame

the replies to this comment are nuclear. thanks, cybershell of sonic fame

@GodZpeed X7 <br>If Sonic was never good, then Mario is the worse franchise on the planet.

@GodZpeed X7
If Sonic was never good, then Mario is the worse franchise on the planet.

@Caleb Productions <br>Which were fine. Medicore, but fine.

@Caleb Productions
Which were fine. Medicore, but fine.

@GodZpeed X7 go fight superman or something, u fanboy

@GodZpeed X7 go fight superman or something, u fanboy

@GodZpeed X7 we got 40+ games in a 60$ system, you guys got 21 games on a 200$ system

@GodZpeed X7 we got 40+ games in a 60$ system, you guys got 21 games on a 200$ system

@GodZpeed X7 haven't you heard of a magical thing called CHANGE?

@GodZpeed X7 haven't you heard of a magical thing called CHANGE?

@GodZpeed X7 that's not how math works bud, I think you mean SEGA < Nintendo<br>If your going to make a point don't make yourself look stupid while doing so

@GodZpeed X7 that's not how math works bud, I think you mean SEGA < Nintendo
If your going to make a point don't make yourself look stupid while doing so

@Ike Okereke holy s**t you f**king killed him dude!

@Ike Okereke holy s**t you f**king killed him dude!

@Daniele Mulas jeez what are ya? Some kind of Nintendrone? A Java supremest? Have you even played a game made by SEGA?

@Daniele Mulas jeez what are ya? Some kind of Nintendrone? A Java supremest? Have you even played a game made by SEGA?

@Eternum Either he’s trolling or he’s a time traveler from 2007

@Eternum Either he’s trolling or he’s a time traveler from 2007

@GodZpeed X7 Imagine being the exact type of person criticized in the video and proving Emp's point.

@GodZpeed X7 Imagine being the exact type of person criticized in the video and proving Emp's point.

@GodZpeed X7 it objectively is one, he is stating that he believes that Sega games are shit. Also Nintendo is doing morally wrong things just watch the video lmao

@GodZpeed X7 Your entire arguments boil down to "No U". You are a drone and are in denial. Case closed.

@GodZpeed X7 Your entire arguments boil down to "No U". You are a drone and are in denial. Case closed.

@GodZpeed X7 How exactly ? We get it, you're a fanboy in panic mode.

@GodZpeed X7 How exactly ? We get it, you're a fanboy in panic mode.

@Honky Honk The Sonic Adventure duology is really fun though...

@Honky Honk The Sonic Adventure duology is really fun though...

@Odd_Lands What even is your point ? That Nintendo are greedy and they suck ? Thank you Captain Obvious.

@Odd_Lands What even is your point ? That Nintendo are greedy and they suck ? Thank you Captain Obvious.

Cant wait for the Fuck You Nintendo run of Super Mario bros. 2

Cant wait for the Fuck You Nintendo run of Super Mario bros. 2

@Daniele Mulas <b>ahem…</b> have you ever heard of the Nintendo classic systems? The remakes that are sold at full price? Heck, even Wii Sports Club! Just think for a moment there.

@Daniele Mulas *ahem…* have you ever heard of the Nintendo classic systems? The remakes that are sold at full price? Heck, even Wii Sports Club! Just think for a moment there.

Reading the bottom replies make me pessimistically doubt any of them will ever step out of Neverland

Reading the bottom replies make me pessimistically doubt any of them will ever step out of Neverland

@Caleb Productions are you literally forgetting mania on purpose? Do you think Nintendo would ever let a mario fan game survival? Let alone ask them to work on a official title?

@Caleb Productions That's why I said *fan projects*. The games itself is definitely not a good one.

@Caleb Productions That's why I said *fan projects*. The games itself is definitely not a good one.

They’ve fucked with their fans twice freezingfrost, does lost world and forces not ring any bells to you?

They’ve fucked with their fans twice freezingfrost, does lost world and forces not ring any bells to you?

Say what you want about the quality of Sonic games that they made. At least SEGA is smart enough to not actively sabotage fan projects and fuck with their fans.

@Caleb Productions <br>Oh, how is Pacman doing?

@Caleb Productions
Oh, how is Pacman doing?

@EndLaiser <br>No, including Sonic as well.

I wouldn’t be surprised if “Sonic rangers” ends up being shit, in fact I would just move on from that shit franchise if it really does became bad.

I wouldn’t be surprised if “Sonic rangers” ends up being shit, in fact I would just move on from that shit franchise if it really does became bad.

@Meshric Yeah, you keep getting hot garbage for 10 years straight.

@Meshric Yeah, you keep getting hot garbage for 10 years straight.

@Mistake 119 Outside of memes and questionable fanart ? Nah

@Mistake 119 Outside of memes and questionable fanart ? Nah

@EndLaiser yakuza ever heard of it? bayonetta ever heard of it?

@EndLaiser yakuza ever heard of it? bayonetta ever heard of it?

@GodZpeed X7 You're doing it again, spamming loads of comments when you could have said that in one single comment.

And drones might be a minority, but they're loud and they get more attention. I'm beginning to feel you're one, given the way you act.....

@Rayz Generations and Mania are just worthless nostalgia rehashes, and Colors is pure garbage, mindless Boost to win with god-awful blocky 2D puzzles, it's overrated for the stupidest reasons. Pick up better examples.

And again, while Persona and Yakuza aren't bad, they're not exactly hotsellers outside from one or two overexposed games that are more known for memes than the actual content.

@Honky Honk what this guy did was totally trigger bait and everyone fell for it

@Honky Honk what this guy did was totally trigger bait and everyone fell for it

@Daniele Mulas Sorry for spitting up facts

@Daniele Mulas Sorry for spitting up facts

@GodZpeed X7II Nintendo fans and Nintendrones aren't the same thing. You can be a fan while still being critical. Drones just eat up anything and can't accept criticism. That's the difference.<br>But jeez dude, no need to spam so many comments. I replied to a few folks, but you littered the convo lol

@GodZpeed X7II Nintendo fans and Nintendrones aren't the same thing. You can be a fan while still being critical. Drones just eat up anything and can't accept criticism. That's the difference.
But jeez dude, no need to spam so many comments. I replied to a few folks, but you littered the convo lol

@Daniele Mulas Nintendo fans aren’t nintendrones and they aren’t delusional

@Daniele Mulas Nintendo fans aren’t nintendrones and they aren’t delusional

@Eternum Yeah no it’s a fan game made by fans and it only proves Sega is lazy. Also Mania is overrated

@Eternum Yeah no it’s a fan game made by fans and it only proves Sega is lazy. Also Mania is overrated

@Eternum Bruh, sonic never was good in the 1st place so it doesnt count

@Eternum Bruh, sonic never was good in the 1st place so it doesnt count

@Thankfully Daniel Sonic Mania is boring as shit. If I wanted to play the same trite nostalgia rehash, there's plenty of more creative romhacks out there.

@Thankfully Daniel Sonic Mania is boring as shit. If I wanted to play the same trite nostalgia rehash, there's plenty of more creative romhacks out there.

@The Pygman Yakuza is overrated niche trash, Kiwami and 7 being the only ones people care about. Alien Isolation is 7 years old, and they released the disaster Colonial Marines right after, effectively killing Aliens games. And who in the hell cares about Total Warhammer ?

I swear, SEGA fans are just as delusional as Nintendrones....

@Eternum They made what ? A piddly ass overrated nostalgia rehash ? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Yeah, then they scared away the devs with their malpractices. Stay delusional

I hate Nintendo's guts to a fault, but how's Sega better exactly ? They dish out mediocre trash after years of waiting, they constantly rush development production, they whore out just one or two franchises while leaving the rest dead in the water, they're utterly mismanaged and each department is at war with themselves.

Just because they "love fans" (aka churning out a nostalgia rehash and a piddly Smurfs rip-off movie), doesn't exactly make them better.

@The Pygman Gee, we are on the same team. I was only pointing an example. Of course all the games you mentioned are great too.

I mentioned Sonic Manis because it was made by hired fans as a counter to Nintendo's usual treatment of fan-projects.

@Eternum So you've never heard of the Yakuza games, Alien: Isolation, or any of the Total Warhammer games? Or do you also think Disney owns only one franchise besides Mickey Mouse?

Ye company that havent made a single good game in 20 years is better<br>ye

Ye company that havent made a single good game in 20 years is better
ye


Honestly I’m proud to be a pirate and actually emulate games cause it helped me find my love for series such as the king of fighters, okami and it’s encouraged me to buy the actual games. I think emulation is like a Costco sample. If you love it you buy the actual thing. If you don’t care then you leave it alone. But Nintendo not understanding that is clear. They don’t want us to have free samples and the refund policy for the eshop is similar to lowes; there is none


"Emulating Nintendo games is like screenshotting NFTs"


Tbf sakurai speaking out against Nintendo would be legit career suicide. Especially in a Japanese work place.

But his silence is compliance

Yes but he actively removed competitiveness from brawl, that was his choice

He could move overseas to the U.S and make indie games. I think that would be neat.


Don't mind me. Just rewatching this video after Nintendo revealed the pricing for NSO + Expansion Pack

i've watched it 15 times this is my 16th time


Thank god for John Carmack, one of the biggest Chads in the programming world.

Was looking for this comment and the Civvie11 replies

@Riley ? that quote is from 20 years ago, he disowned it during the development of Rage 15 years ago, and yet it still haunts him, lmfao!

@Mathematical Hypotenuse ah yes. Dangerous dave in copyright infringement.

Fun fact now that you mention John Carmack, since I don't think Emp brought it up in this video:
Did you know id actually succeeded at making a proof-of-concept version of Super Mario Bros 3 that ran on PC and sent it to Nintendo with the proposition of making a full-blown PC port of the game for them, but they "respectfully" declined? Goes to demonstrate another huge issue of Nintendo that Emp didn't touch on here, that being that they're probably the single most dedicated video-games company ever to insist on console exclusivity. A Nintendo game, a Mario game, officially on PC, but they said no. Jackasses.
Also, another fun tidbit, that proof-of-concept engine would go on to be Commander Keen. Carmack and Romero figured they may as well not let their new engine go to waste, eh?

Fun fact now that you mention John Carmack, since I don't think Emp brought it up in this video:
Did you know id actually succeeded at making a proof-of-concept version of Super Mario Bros 3 that ran on PC and sent it to Nintendo with the proposition of making a full-blown PC port of the game for them, but they "respectfully" declined? Goes to demonstrate another huge issue of Nintendo that Emp didn't touch on here, that being that they're probably the single most dedicated video-games company *ever* to insist on console exclusivity. A Nintendo game, a *Mario* game, officially on PC, but they said no. Jackasses.
Also, another fun tidbit, that proof-of-concept engine would go on to be Commander Keen. Carmack and Romero figured they may as well not let their new engine go to waste, eh?

@Raymunator ... I dont think he was responsible for the doom 3 bfg source release, atleast not directly, as by the time it dropped he was off at oculus.

@Quartz Roolz IIRC John Carmack actually started releasing the source code for almost every game he made during his time at Id beginning with Wolfenstein 3D and all the way up to Doom 3 BFG and I think RAGE

“Story in a game is like story in a porn movie, It's expected to be there, but it's not important.” What a funny man John carmack is.

@Tyler Lindsey-Delise ...Carmack had nothing to do with the build engine, that was ken Silverman, although The source code for DUKE3d Was released by 3d realms, which is what EDuke is based off, and therefore Ion Fury

Carmack did release the Source code for a lot of the classic ID games though, starting with DOOM and ending (at least Until he left) with Quake 3. ID do still occasionally release source code for their games, but the most recent one was doom 3 BFG edition which came out a decade ago and the source was only just released.

@Tyler Lindsey-Delise like I said space Warlock

@Raymunator I can’t hear his name without thinking of one of Civvie’s titles for him lmao

@Raymunator we really need just a compliation of Civvie describing John Carmack's godly existence.

He did it twice too.

He created a new version of the build engine.

And... just released the source code.
Ion Fury runs on it.

@Raymunator I knew this quote was somewhere in this comment section. Godspeed fellow dungeoneer!

He is one of the greatest modern programmers out there.

"The benevolent hyper intelligent architect of the post singularity simulation we all live in, John Carmack."

-Civvie 11


i once liked introspective, but now i dislike him and genuienly the nintendo fan community except for some people. thank you Emp for giving me a bigger perspective over the controversial topic

Thought I was the only one. Once I saw his Twitter, I viewed him as another nintendrone.


As a Nintendo fan, I am so happy you are covering this topic! not a lot of other fans care about this stuff, but I do, and I am just glad that you are bringing more attention to why they are not a perfect company. I still buy there games and play them, sense the games are still bangers, but I always acknowledge there downsides.


Funny how Nintendo released the February direct as soon as they striked GilvaSunner and still to this day hasn’t released an alternative to listening to their OST’s

@M64bros no it wasn’t, YouTube themselves got involved into the situations and confirmed it was Nintendo.

It wasn't Nintendo it was someone impersonating Nintendo


The worst part about the smash segment is that it was the start of something worse. Nintendo just banned smash entirely from EVO. Much like we need a better Youtube, we also need a better Nintendo.


Don't forget another recent one: "this other company did something worse therefore Nintendo gets a pass"

@William Murrell He??? Are you high? You just wrote that I shouldn’t ignore Nintendos problems. If you’re talking about some other dude then I already explained myself further up.

This is ridiculous, how am I supposed to have a discussion with someone that writes one sentence that I am just baffled by every single time once again?

@Icetea 2000 how do you know that he isn’t a Nintendo fan

@William Murrell??? What are you talking about?? I specifically said Nintendo fans should hold Nintendo accountable. Where was I ignoring Nintendos problems?<br>Mate you’re gonna have to elaborate more and actually read the comments you’re replying to

@William Murrell??? What are you talking about?? I specifically said Nintendo fans should hold Nintendo accountable. Where was I ignoring Nintendos problems?
Mate you’re gonna have to elaborate more and actually read the comments you’re replying to

@Icetea 2000 don’t ignore Nintendo’s problems

@William Murrell Yes, you’ve yet to prove me wrong

@William Murrell
>Barges in
>Says a bunch of nonsensical comments
>Refuses to elaborate
>Leaves

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@Face McShooty 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Technicolor Mischief-Maker Why? It’s the people's decision who go there. If something is catering to the needs of people, then that’s automatically good.

Do you want to take something away from other people that they like simply because you don’t want it? That’s your problem, you can just ignore it then

@Icetea 2000 I’m with thug, we absolutely should close all casinos

@Icetea 2000 Not a big fan of EA's practices but yeah calling them worse than nintendo is pretty dumb. By the way, casinos try pretty hard to keep you in by removing windows and stuff so people lose track of time so not best comparison, but still.

@the thug shaker Yeah when this got a ton of backlash by people I always thought in the back of my mind "Are you complaining to the company that other people just have shitty constitution and like spending money on gambling? Sounds like their problem"
We might as well close all Casinos then too, idk, it’s gambling, yes, but as long as you know it it shouldn’t be a problem.

(Unless it becomes unreasonably hard to play the game without paying for them)

but giving you option to consoom microtransactions is somehow a deadly sin.... okay

ive literally never heard anyone ever say this

@Andy Blanton That makes no sense. You don’t take away much of your time writing a comment or disliking a video or post by nintendo or signing a petition etc. <br>This "focusing on one thing" is way too stupid and also we don’t even all play the same games, Nintendo fans should be the ones who criticize Nintendo for their mistakes more. I’m sure outsiders already do it plenty anyway, just how they would criticize Activision and EA

@Andy Blanton That makes no sense. You don’t take away much of your time writing a comment or disliking a video or post by nintendo or signing a petition etc.
This "focusing on one thing" is way too stupid and also we don’t even all play the same games, Nintendo fans should be the ones who criticize Nintendo for their mistakes more. I’m sure outsiders already do it plenty anyway, just how they would criticize Activision and EA

@chose bine <br>Wait... Excuse me W H A T ?

@Taylor It's not like Those companys shouldn't be smacked around for how shitty they can be
But the annoying thing is when people won't call out Nintendo on it's shitty choices
They aren't perfect and are as Flawed as any other

@Taylor The problem with Activison/Blizzard goes so much deeper than the company simply being sexist, did you even done any research on that whole controversy? It is so much more than that, it also has to do with sexual abuse, sexual assault, sexual harassment, the fact that the people who were causing sexual abuse were protected for years, the fact that Bobby Kotick knew all about this for years and then lied that he didn't know, the fact that abuse was so bad at the company that it actually caused an employee to commit suicide...

And let's not forget about Ubisoft for a hot second because everyone else sure seems to forget about the fact that Ubisoft has protected sexual abusers for years and has failed to do anything about it despite the fact that they were called out for it.

Look, what Nintnedo is doing to their own fans is not right, but let's not down play the horrible atrocities that other companies have done to their own work force as well, because mistreating your fans is one thing, but literally abusing the workers who even gave us the games to a horrible degree is a completely different problem that should be addressed, because what Nintendo’s doing to their fans is unfortunately not as invidious when you consider that actual people are getting abused, getting sexually assaulted, then having those people who caused the harm get away scott free still making millions of dollars as the people who had their life's ruin by these monsters gets absolutely nothing.

Now am I saying Nintnedo gets a pass because of that? No, of course not.

but when it comes to which is more important to talk, when you hear shit like how Ubisoft has literally protected rapists for years? How the abused at Activision/Blizzard has led someone to their death? Then yes, it's easy to say that Nintendo aren't that bad by comparison, because when you have a CEO who literally pretended to be another employee to make them look bad, Then no I'm sorry but your company is worse by default because that is unacceptable. Like Nintendo is still awful but at least they treat their employees like freakin' humans.

Because if you seriously think that the lawsuit going on with activison and blizzard simply has to with sexism, then you are grossly misunderstanding the situation, because there is sexism, and then there's mentally damaging your employees, no excuses.

While I agree that Nintendo never did things as bad as other companies, that still doesn't excuse bad behavior. We still have to fix the issue, but people saying "Nintendo new EA" and acting all petty and aggressive makes it near impossible to criticize Nintendo.

@Andy Blanton I didn't mention the competitive scene at all? But I'd say discouraging a competitive scene is not necessarily immoral, but the way Nintendo went about it, through lying, abuse of the copyright system, and methods designed to maximize financial harm to organizers was pretty immoral.

But what I really was criticizing were Nintendo's attempts to ban video game rentals (through lobbying and lawsuits) and their history of using monopolistic and anti-competitive practices with retailers. That's worse than anything EA is done. EA's microtransactions only affect EAs customers, what Nintendo was doing affected everybody. Thankfully they failed on banning rentals in the US thanks to the first sale doctrine.

@John Smith shutting down competitive scenes is annoying, but not morally wrong.

@John Smith not only that but they are one of the responsables for copyright law being such a mess on japan

So when anyone tell the excuse that "japan is different" and that "they are a japanese conpany the have to do it" tell them that is indeed true thats why they lobbyed japanese lawmakers to be this way

And dont even get me started on when they tried to create a monopole on video game development by making devs sign a contract that made impossible for them to release games on other plataforms

@Andy Blanton dude ea and mobile games aren really a big problem in the industry... not at all

the biggest problem isnt even microtransactions... its crunch time and miss treatment of devs

"Nintendo murdered the competitive scene but... but... EA has microtransactions in their game!1!! You can't blame nintendo when EA did so much worse!!1!"

@Andy Blanton no. There is plenty room for other issues.

@Taylor This is the one I see way too much on twitter.

As long as EA is at large, every other issue in the video game industry should take a backseat. If we all focus on one issue at a time, we can deal with everything more efficiently. We should deal with EA, then mobile games.

"Bro why are you complaining about Nintendo shutting down all competitions, Riot and Blizzard and Activision are sexist, it could be worse".

These are the kinds of people who would thank their captors for only spitting in their face and feeding them break, as opposed to breaking their arms and feeding them nothing, and say "well really you should be thankful".


After having a little while longer to think about this video, I realize now what you really meant to say: “Hey! Nintendo! Stop doing things that make your fans feel betrayed!” And that’s totally legit. Sorry I was a douche earlier.


If you changed up the script a bit and removed parts about video games, this could literally be made talking about Disney


There was a meme I saw a while back telling of a kid living in poverty who built a completely mechanical Gameboy like device with a paper scrolling screen to play a mario level.
The meme continues saying Nintendo sent representatives themselves to hand deliver a 2.1 million dollar cease and desist.

This was a meme yes but y'know.


When I hear "Nintendo fan" what I think is "brainless consumer of children's characters"


Nintendo adults are terrifying people sometimes. It's okay to have found memories of things (I mean I do like Bowser obviously) but there is this kind of hive mind mentality amongst a lot of them. It's like "the world is scary and my parents didn't prepare me to be an adult so I need to fervently defend this huge corporation because they help me bury myself further in my nostalgia hole."

You have to be separated from something to be nostalgic for it

@Doomkid Yeah but Doom 3 was an atrocious insult to the franchise. Thank Satan for Doom 2016 and Doom: Eternal though.

@Blacktain Falcon that's not the damn point. The problem is the insane bias in video game media. The point is that people are HAPPY to sh!t on EA when they fuck up. But Nintendo they will avoid talking about as much as they can and if they have to they will defend it or go "pls daddy nintendo don't shut down fan games" while with ANY other company they go "YOU F#$@ING IDIOT STOP IT I'LL CANCEL YOU ON TWITTER BURN IN HELL" you should treat every company the same, Nintendo does NOT care about you.

@Jake Stammers "This sums up all toxic fanboys/girls." yes, but the problem with the Nintendo fanbase is that it has turn in to some sort of cultlike religion were they worship Nintendo like a god.

@V Games This sums up all toxic fanboys/girls. I (16) like Nintendo, yet I'm more than willing to point out any glaring flaws.

"Your Nostalgia promised you freedom from a doomed existence, but you will find no salvation within this company".

@Lukas R will EA is
A. Not part of the Japanese gaming industry.
B. Has done waaaayy worse than Nintendo.

@Blacktain Falcon When has Nintendo  not gotten away with it? There are two groups here, the Nintendrones and the people willing to critize Nintendo. The problem is that the Nintendrone group is so much bigger and they will defend Nintendo with their lives. Compare a Yongyea video about EA to one about Nintendo. He sounds reluctant to even talk about what Nintendo does but EA he will sh!t on all day. There is such a bias for Nintendo that the media doesn't even care if Nintendo sh!ts all over their fans because they're Nintendo. That is basically the entire Video game media, they always make excuses for Nintendo. The people who care are such a minority compared to the army of drones it's really sad honestly.

@Lukas R except you failed to realize everything Emp criticized Nintendo for in this video is the norm of the industry. I'm definitely not excusing it, but Sony, Square Enix, and even Sega has taken down fan projects and music. But I don't see any videos on those companies do I?<br>It seems to me that as of recently, Nintendo is the only company that doesn't get away with it, while people parrot "Sega hires fan developers". Like they hired a couple of fan developers that one time, but the grand majority of cases, Sega is just as bad as the others (look it up if you don't believe me)

@Lukas R except you failed to realize everything Emp criticized Nintendo for in this video is the norm of the industry. I'm definitely not excusing it, but Sony, Square Enix, and even Sega has taken down fan projects and music. But I don't see any videos on those companies do I?
It seems to me that as of recently, Nintendo is the only company that doesn't get away with it, while people parrot "Sega hires fan developers". Like they hired a couple of fan developers that one time, but the grand majority of cases, Sega is just as bad as the others (look it up if you don't believe me)

@Blacktain Falcon Nintendo is far worse than anyone else. Nobody gets away with as much bullshit as Nintedo

@The EngNeer I feel some of them are trolls. Sort of off topic but I feel they try to be like that Frank Hassle guy but online, when Frank tries to be on real life like an internet troll.

@TheSsbcandidates I agree because they don't even really have nostalgia as an excuse

This comment can be applied to literally any fanbase though if you feel like generalizing people because of their hobbies. Why do people nowadays like to lump other people into a certain category as if they are not actually individuals?

Man, this is one of the few exceptionally good comments I save asscreenshots

Nintendo fans are freaky in their obsession. ESPECIALLY ones with Bowser as the profile pic.

...I was a die-hard fan. NES all the way through to the mid 2010s. But I haven’t bought anything from them in years because they HATE their fans so much. I’ve also been a Doom fan all the time - the difference in treatment of fans/mods is night and day.

Woah, that wording is right on the money dude. I think that's a big part of why the "nintendo fan manchild" stereotype exists.


any time i talk about nintendo to a friend and how much i love a certain game, i always have to mention how i may love their games, but i absolutely hate the company. their practices towards the fans are genuinely terrible.


i think the fact that the NSO "DLC" being way overpriced is starting to wake the eyes of some nintendo fans

No its not. Nintendo will show some Kirby gameplay and put banjo kazooie on the online and everyone will buy it lol. I dont think ninty fans can wake up in any way that matters


Lemon your channel is insane. The quality is off the fucking charts here. What a gem


That is perhaps the reasons why I stopped supporting Nintendo compared to what I used to do.

The way they treated their fans, the way they treated emulation, the way they treated the Smash Community.

As a kid, it would be natural to love Nintendo because of the games they made and even published like the RARE games from the UK that Nintendo helped to fund.

But as you grow into an adult and you realize the BS that Nintendo often got up to, that is when your loyalty would not be as strong as it used to be.

For those reasons I never brought a Nintendo Switch because of the way they treated their fans back in the Wii U and 3DS days.


@mr freakout I read your last comment in MauLer's voice

LOL JACKSEPTICEYE'S DAD IS ROTTING IN THE TRASH LMAO 🤣🤣🤣 LOL LMAO

@Henry Crabs well everyone's entitled to their own opinion

@Henry Crabs yeah how dare people say they like a video they are only doing this to benefit themselves

@Ulqinaku ! he's a comment spammer, it's the only way they keep their relevance


Now our collective voice of disagreement with companies' decisions have been silenced thanks to youtube. Fucking hell.


"Nintendo's primal fear of rogue imitaters have never left them" WELL SAID EMP


This video is like a fine wine, only getting better with age


This videos entire premise exists in a world where parents and societies don’t teach their children anything and instead plop them down in front of a shiny television screen. Asking people who don’t know anything other than what kind of media they like, to have consistent principles on ANYTHING is like asking a chicken to drive a car. It doesn’t know what you’re talking about.


Nintendo has achieved some insane pattern to manipulate their reputation and always get away with it, is insane, I've never cared too much about it since I just wanna play their new releases officially, but I'm always skeptical with the company and never let myself feel like attached to it

@Dragular and this is how I treat 343, Bethesda, Activision/Blizzard, EA, and Tencent. I’m treating Nintendo just like I treat every other company that pulls scummy shit.

@Slender Man 186 Oh, and by the way, EmpLemon said this at the end of the video:

"I'm not asking for you to hate Nintendo. I'm not asking you to hate the fans. I'm just asking you to treat Nintendo like every other company. Which it is."

@Slender Man 186 No it doesn't. If you buy a Nintendo game you like, that doesn't mean you agree with them shutting down fangames. That's not how this works.

@Slender Man 186 No it doesn't. If you buy a Nintendo game you like, that doesn't mean you agree with them shutting down fangames. That's not how this works.

@Dragular then don’t fucking support them, regardless of what you say buying their new releases tells them you support what they’re doing. What don’t you get about this?

@Slender Man 186 Your comments are the epitome of the "You're either with us or against us" mentality. Just because they like playing Nintendo games and buying new releases, that doesn't mean they agree with everything they do.

@Xfusion Super late but I actually think this shows how fandom culture doesn't have the effect we think it does... a lot of major game releases get huge amounts of hate online. I remember when a COD game was coming out and it became one of the most disliked youtube videos of all time but the game still made a fuck load of money. fandom culture is not strong enough to massively hurt the bottom line of the biggest companies in the world. fans who are mad about things do boycott because they want to push the thing they love to be better. i won't buy nso expansion pass until its worth my fuckin money! it's the upper class consumer who sees nothing except the price tag and buys things that their kids will probably like. people who don't have all the money in the world can still be passionate about nintendo because passion doesn't just come from throwing money at them.

@Slender Man 186 idk, it just looks like you haven't seen the end of the video

"I'm not asking for you to hate Nintendo. I'm not asking you to hate the fans. I'm just asking you to treat Nintendo like every other company. Which it is."

Ever met a Capcom fan? They buy games knowing for a fact that they're bad, and nobody bats an eye.

Ever met a Capcom fan? They buy games knowing for a fact that they're bad, and nobody bats an eye.

@XHellXGeistX "People are so largely prone to sycophancy and fanboyism that it leads and encourages companies to be corrupt" this, the people are the real problem, this is also why most companies want to control what people think of them over making more money most of the time.

@TwistedFireX "The only true way to get companies to change their ways is through boycotting" no, people just need to vote with there wallets more.

@TwistedFireX "The only true way to get companies to change their ways is through boycotting" no, people just need to vote with there wallets more.

@DO-CTOR "Ethical consumption is never truly achievable," well thats not ture. "so there's no point in missing out on good games just to take a stance."but i am take a stance.<br>"Expecting every single person who thinks a company makes shitty decisions to just stop consuming their products entirely is pointless" who said you need to convince everyone not to buy something? you just need to convince enough people to the point that it hurts there profits.

@DO-CTOR "Ethical consumption is never truly achievable," well thats not ture. "so there's no point in missing out on good games just to take a stance."but i am take a stance.
"Expecting every single person who thinks a company makes shitty decisions to just stop consuming their products entirely is pointless" who said you need to convince everyone not to buy something? you just need to convince enough people to the point that it hurts there profits.

"Nintendo has achieved some insane pattern to manipulate" can you tell how and what they have been manipulating?

"Nintendo has achieved some insane pattern to manipulate" can you tell how and what they have been manipulating?

@DO-CTOR You basically just agreed with telm namns whole point and didn't realize it lol

@DO-CTOR You basically just agreed with telm namns whole point and didn't realize it lol

>I just wanna play their new releases officially<br>You completely missed the whole point of the video.

>I just wanna play their new releases officially
You completely missed the whole point of the video.

@Great_Ape this dude is exactly who he’s talking about lmfao

@Great_Ape this dude is exactly who he’s talking about lmfao

@TheEpicGBX I'm happy to hear that lol. It's crazy to me how some people seriously think they know enough about strangers online that they'll shut down your subjectivity with such confidence, saying "All people who're on my side only act THIS way, so I KNOW you're lying". It's clear that they're miserable and want to make enemies. Not my issue though because I know better than anyone that my stance on the matter is true; I hate many of Nintendo's practices, hold them to the same standard as any other company, and no rando in a comments section can take that from me.

I don't see how that is so given seeing how even comics from marvel or DC for example keep losing people thanks to their inclusion to see garbage

I don't see how that is so given seeing how even comics from marvel or DC for example keep losing people thanks to their inclusion to see garbage

Seriously can't stand people who go "you missing out and a idiot for not buying their stuff cuz you want to take a stance,it's impossible to make a difference with that "

Just a defeatist mindset and shows how this generation has zero commitment to much to me

You know this,yet proceed to buy regardless.

This is contradictory, hypocritical to say when you buy anyways, and just another reason corporations get away with so much

It needs to,and the fans are a lost cause

It needs to,and the fans are a lost cause

I developed a pretty cynical and skeptical view because of how big this problem with Nintendo fans and those overall.

What's the point of being a good business anymore if people allow even Disney to work with China camps for location shots for a Mulan remake and still give em money for a few mixed bag shows

@DO-CTOR I was about to do the same thing on these replies, but you seem to get the words right out of my mouth and thensome.

@DO-CTOR I was about to do the same thing on these replies, but you seem to get the words right out of my mouth and thensome.

"I think VERY highly of myself even though i don't deserve it" - The Comment Section

"I think VERY highly of myself even though i don't deserve it" - The Comment Section

People are so largely prone to sycophancy and fanboyism that it leads and encourages companies to be corrupt, since it rewards them for bad behavior.

We see similar things happen in other realms, like in politics and religion, which is really just a spiritual extension of politics.

Unless people change, nothing will change. And people won't change.

@Xfusion The thing is, what we got for the Zelda anniversary was arguably even worse than 3d All Stars, which was already the bare minimum, so I think the complaints are justified in that regard

@DO-CTOR again, if you actually disagreed with what they’re doing, you wouldn’t be buying their products. Yes, I have trouble believing that a Nintendo shill, on a video trashing Nintendo, would be getting likes only a minute after their comment was posted, in the middle of the night in the US. And cut it with the holier than thou crap, “desperately continue this back and forth,” and wtf are you doing exactly? “I’m done here” just tells me you have no actual argument, and to be fair, all you’ve done is repeat the same crap. “Noooo, just because I buy all of their products like I’m Nintendo’s personal little wallet doesn’t mean I have any connection to the company, nooooo.”

@Slender Man 186 i liked his comment. try arguing with his points instead of resorting to personal attacks that don't even fit him.

@Slender Man 186 i liked his comment. try arguing with his points instead of resorting to personal attacks that don't even fit him.

@Slender Man 186 I can assure you there are people who agree Nintendo does shitty things while still buying their stuff (See every Nintendo youtuber who spoke out about their actions in the past two or so years). I'm not denying that ceasing purchases of Nintendo products will help them get the message. I'm simply saying expecting all or even most people to do that is unrealistic at best.<br>I don't care that you think I like my comments, but the fact you're even bringing that up in order to desperately continue this back and forth says you don't actually give a shit on seeing other people's perspectives and are literally just arguing for the sake of it, so I'm done here.

@Slender Man 186 I can assure you there are people who agree Nintendo does shitty things while still buying their stuff (See every Nintendo youtuber who spoke out about their actions in the past two or so years). I'm not denying that ceasing purchases of Nintendo products will help them get the message. I'm simply saying expecting all or even most people to do that is unrealistic at best.
I don't care that you think I like my comments, but the fact you're even bringing that up in order to desperately continue this back and forth says you don't actually give a shit on seeing other people's perspectives and are literally just arguing for the sake of it, so I'm done here.

@DO-CTOR if they disagreed with Nintendo’s practices, they wouldn’t be monetarily supporting them. Also, liking your own comments is cringe.

@DO-CTOR if they disagreed with Nintendo’s practices, they wouldn’t be monetarily supporting them. Also, liking your own comments is cringe.

@Slender Man 186 I do, except for newer or more powerful games that my computer can't handle. Still doesn't change my opinion that people who <b>do</b> buy all their Nintendo games don't always necessarily agree with their practices.

@Slender Man 186 I do, except for newer or more powerful games that my computer can't handle. Still doesn't change my opinion that people who *do* buy all their Nintendo games don't always necessarily agree with their practices.

@Trennan well, that's not necessarely an issue i suppose, since it's just a youtube pfp

@Trennan well, that's not necessarely an issue i suppose, since it's just a youtube pfp

@DO-CTOR if you don’t want to miss out on something you want, Pirate it. Boom, you experience mostly well designed games, and Nintendo gets the message.

@DO-CTOR if you don’t want to miss out on something you want, Pirate it. Boom, you experience mostly well designed games, and Nintendo gets the message.

No more being skeptical. It’s time for hopen

No more being skeptical. It’s time for hopen

@telm namm Then it's a good thing "the world's problems" aren't my own to solve. When I think a product is stupid or inadequate, like the OLED Switch model that could barely be considered an upgrade, I don't buy it. That's about all I care enough to do. Whatever others decide to do is their business, and I'm not gonna go as far as to assume every Nintendo fan doesn't care at all about consumers getting exploited just because they don't wanna miss out on something they want. Sorry.

@telm namm exactly, it doesn’t matter if you verbally denounce their actions if you’re still monetarily supporting them. As far as companies like Nintendo are concerned, it doesn’t matter what you say so long as their bottom line stays intact.

OH OH OH! wiibros is a total star fucker too! lmao<br>he'd make buddy buddy with popular artists, emotionally manipulate them to give him free art, shout outs, and clout. only to kick that "friend" to the curb and move right on to the next big, popular, figure

OH OH OH! wiibros is a total star fucker too! lmao
he'd make buddy buddy with popular artists, emotionally manipulate them to give him free art, shout outs, and clout. only to kick that "friend" to the curb and move right on to the next big, popular, figure

"i don't know why i joined this server, i just joined it to be happy, and none of you are making me happy!" something like that. he'd have a meltdown every week

@Great_Ape that's super wiibros for ya, you should know how he treated his old friends lmao

@Great_Ape that's super wiibros for ya, you should know how he treated his old friends lmao

Christ almighty Doc ur stance was the Allies stance in 1936: appeasement. "Oooh if we just object enough they'll eventually stop". No they fuckin won't. They'll keep going until they're hit on the damn nose

As someone wanting to get into business making my own content niche as they'd be I want to least be somewhat not giving my  ustomers and audience none of the shit many do nowadays.
I don't get why such scumbags are getting away.
Wtf happened with being a competent business?Meeting demand?Not being a double to our fans,communities,or customers overalll?
It's why I have such a cynical and skeptical mindset currently with everything now.
I do want to do my thing,but I don't know.

@DO-CTOR uh, no, this isn’t just “being critical of something you love,” this is an abusive relationship if I’ve ever seen one. I won’t deny that Nintendo’s games are (usually) very high quality, but I’m not going to give a company my money when they repeatedly try to insult my intelligence and make anti consumer decisions like it’s going out of style. It gets even worse when people start asking for the things they’ve already b**ched about, like how people want a 3D All Stars for Zelda’s 30th anniversary. They’ll b**ch about joycon drift, then proceed to buy a Mini Switch that doesn’t have detachable joycons, so now ya gotta replace the whole ass system when the controller’s designed obsolescence kicks in. It’s pure cognitive dissonance, complete inconsistency between thoughts and actions. At this point Nintendo fans deserve to be s**t on for their dogmatic loyalty, f**king Stockholm syndrome is what it is.

I personally think that people can like a game without supporting the company. I would have bought new horizons if I had a switch. And why I don't have a switch is because I don't care enough about nintendo to buy one.

@TwistedFireX Exactly, Nintendo's fanbase is generally pretty paradoxical. When they first announced that the Mario 3D All-stars collections would be a limited run, even digitally they got flammed everywhere and even memed but when it came down to it the collection became a top 10 monthly selling game, which is what Nintendo or any company worth their salt really cares.
And just to make the paradox even stronger when they announced they had really no major plans for Zelda's 30th anniversary a lot of fans complained that why they didn't released a collection similar to 3D All-stars, the very one the flamed but then bought anyway.

@TwistedFireX Exactly, Nintendo's fanbase is generally pretty paradoxical. When they first announced that the Mario 3D All-stars collections would be a limited run, even digitally they got flammed everywhere and even _memed_ but when it came down to it the collection became a _top 10 monthly_ selling game, which is what Nintendo or any company worth their salt really cares.
And just to make the paradox even stronger when they announced they had really no major plans for Zelda's 30th anniversary a lot of fans complained that why they didn't released a collection *similar to 3D All-stars, the very one the flamed but then bought anyway.*

This sounds like an abusive relationship.

This sounds like an abusive relationship.

@TwistedFireX Precisely. The most you can expect out of Nintendo fans is speaking out against the company's actions, because putting an end to their consumption entirely isn't happening anytime soon.

So basically Nintendo is Japanese Apple.

So basically Nintendo is Japanese Apple.

@DO-CTOR It doesn’t matter if it’s spoken against, Nintendo has a cultish enough following that people will continue to buy their products. The only true way to get companies to change their ways is through boycotting and that won’t happen with Nintendo.

@IchCharacter Liking their games enough to buy them =/= Approval of their actions. Ethical consumption is never truly achievable, so there's no point in missing out on good games just to take a stance. Expecting every single person who thinks a company makes shitty decisions to just stop consuming their products entirely is pointless, and in this day and age, quite impossible.

What consumers CAN do is speak out enough to where change happens, which was the entire point of the video. Compared to other gaming companies, there are too many people who either choose to defend Nintendo's practices or don't care at all. That's the issue.

"I'm always skeptical with the company and never let myself feel like attached to it"
"I've never cared too much about it since I just wanna play their new releases officially"
This sounds like you just buy their new releases for ridiculous prices and don't actually care about their scummy activities, pumping money into Nintendo so it will keep doing exactly what you're allegedly skeptical about.

zero self awareness, Just emulate for free bro

zero self awareness, Just emulate for free bro

@DO-CTOR they really think they did somethin

@DO-CTOR they really think they did somethin

Yall in these replies sound like, "You can't love a company's products AND be critical of said company. I'm very smart".

Yall in these replies sound like, "You can't love a company's products AND be critical of said company. I'm very smart".

I see the irony of your existence is lost on you.

I see the irony of your existence is lost on you.

You never let yourself feel too attached to them, yet you named yourself after one of their consoles?

You never let yourself feel too attached to them, yet you named yourself after one of their consoles?

Their time will come.  There's just other villains from the customer's perspective.

Their time will come.  There's just other villains from the customer's perspective.

"I've never cared too much about it since I just wanna play their new releases officially, but I'm always skeptical with the company and never let myself feel like attached to it" LMFAO


and here we are again, after nintendo rightfully shot down a 25 year old guide for mario that never even released on the west, thus saving one more dev from starving to death every time a incarnation of evil worse even than satan himself, a pirate, downloaded it


i dont feel any empathy for Nintendo fanboys, this is an issue they can solve by growing a spine, and its not my problem if they like being beaten by their own company, if they want to turn a blind eye to all the issue, but they should keep in mind the next generation of gamers dont have any nostalgia and at some point their defense of Nintendo will kill the company.


I've been a a Nintendo fan for nearly 30 years and these anti-consumer things really makes me lose faith in Nintendo. The Nintendo Switch is good for air travel, since the WiFi on airplanes is terrible. You're absolutely right about the Nintendo fanboys/fangirls worshipping Nintendo like a religious cult. They're like mindless drones; they really annoy me. Glad that there are third party developers out there that love their fans and support our game designing endeavors.

We been a Nintendo fan for years too.
And while i Adore most of their games,boy do they suck as a Company.
And lets not talk about Nintendo fanboys and fangirls,those things scare me


Take a look at psychonauts. It flopped horribly when it first released nearly dooming double fine. But since they released a port for it on steam a few years ago for only about $15, the game started picking up. It quickly became a cult classic and people were demanding a sequel they’d pay top dollar for. Making old games accessible to more people can help get people invested in a product they otherwise wouldn’t support. I’d pay $60 for thousand year door on switch, but Nintendo just doesn’t seem to listen to what fans would support.