I remember when I was younger I hated yahtzee croshaw's reviews of nintendo games. Where he would dismiss nintendo fans as idiots who refused to see reasonable criticism. Now i've realized i was the fanboy and yahtzee was ahead of his time.

The only problem is: Yahtzee hates on everything and acts like every. single. game. is. the. worst.

At that point he could say Ride to Hell Retribution/No Man's Sky (release)/Rapelay is terrible and people would say: "Decent game that he hates on principle (of hating everything)".

Not a good reference point.

@Donkey Kong Fan go kiss the boots of your precious Japanese company.

@Donkey Kong Fan go kiss the boots of your precious Japanese company.

@toasterinthetub Yeah, I completely agree. My main point was that a big part of every fan base sucks. I had a particularly lame interaction with a game shop employee the other day. Guy was a Sony fan and he was all proud about not being able to answer my question about Game Pass "I wouldn't know, I have a PS4." His fanboy crap is so bad it's palpably affecting his ability to do his job. Absolute peasant lol.

@Harry Radley sony fans are pretty fucking bad too horizon was awful and so is the new ratchet n clank but because they have nice graphics people drool over them I was so confused playing zero dawn after about ten hours of complete boredom I had to look up reviews just to see what I was missing lol

Imagine people look back 10 years from now and the. boom, their in the same situation as you

Imagine people look back 10 years from now and the. boom, their in the same situation as you

He wasn't ahead of his time, just ahead of you 😛

He wasn't ahead of his time, just ahead of you 😛

@Monke Lounge you're wrong but everyone isn't off the hook

@Monke Lounge you're wrong but everyone isn't off the hook

@Donkey Kong Fan ah so you have sold your soul to a corporation...just like me

@Donkey Kong Fan ah so you have sold your soul to a corporation...just like me

@LX BDK (Notifications are OFF) bro a point can be valid no matter where it comes, Yahtzee raised good points about many things in his 15 years of work, saying he only liked DS and Portal, really tells me you haven't watched many zp videos or his sarcastic style isn't very clear for you (like in some cases for me because of my asper). dunkey has videos were his arguments are pretty bad, but every ytber has those.

@Luis Alfonso Pinto It's "petty", not "pity."

Your only valid point in this entire comment was the one about Mother 3.

Playing a fan game isn't going to impede me from buying the original product if i wasn't going to buy the original product to begin with. If anything, it might even make me want to buy the original product more than i wanted to originally. And on top of that, it gives fans something else to play while they wait for another official release to come out.

Its the same reason why fans promoting Nintendo's older games isn't exactly going to hurt the newer titles. Hell, Smash Ultimate (mechanically speaking) is honestly a better and more accessible game than Melee. At this point, the only thing Melee has going for it is that it's roster is a lot more smaller and focused (like most other fighting games). So again, explain to me why promoting a different smash game is going to hurt the sales of Smash Ultimate, the highest grossing fighting game of all time? Next you're gonna tell me that people speedrunning older Mario Kart games is going to hurt the sales of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, lol.

As for Patreon, it's entirely optional and it only provides direct financial support to the creator. It's not the same as purchasing a game on release, a patronage and a purchase are two entirely different things. One is direct financial support, the other is a form of bartering more or less. It's for similar reasons why commissions aren't the same thing as a purchase. Artists can get away with drawing characters they don't own because they're only being paid for the act of drawing that character (and not distribution). Now, as for selling physical prints of their art with those characters, that's where shit starts to get grey legally-speaking. More often than not, most big companies tend to not go after artists like that, so it's usually deemed as being somewhat okay. However, its obviously in those companies' legal right to do so if they want (even if i personally don't find it to be morally okay).

(i also wrote this whole massive rant about emulation before i realized that it wasn't even a part of your original argument, lol)

Finally, Mario 3D All-Stars is not the definitive way to play these games. At most, it's maybe the best way for Galaxy 1 at the moment due to the streamlining of the motion and sensor controls, but for Sunshine and 64, emulation is still king more or less. Render96 has provided a full graphical overhaul to the game, and you've also got the HD pack for Mario Sunshine that you can use on Dolphin.

@Wayne's Odyssey Nintendo makes mistakes for sure, but they’re certainly not evil as you claim them to be. I mean Jesus Christ, this comment reads like it was made by an edgy 14 year old.

Yahtzee misses the mark because he criticizes the quality of the games instead of the company's practices. When the games themselves are uncontroversially decent at worst.

@Harry Radley I thought you didn't care 😂 Yet you still here 😭😭😭 Cry more bubby, and keep defending daddy nintendo, maybe theyll come out with working joycons one day 😜

@Luis Alfonso Pinto seems like a lot of coping and boot licking for a company that could not give two fucks for its western audience.
1- Nintendo has lost a big opportunity to milk the melee community for all its worth. This isnt about being fair or some cringe shit if you really wanna go down the route of marketing and profit margins. There is literally an untapped market of customers that melee highlights, and they could be sold a shitty emulated version of melee with some basic netcode to appease them. Its not like the existence of melee tourneys affected ultimate sales or dlc sales. get real. any western company worth their mettle wouldve found a way to exploit this part of the fanbase, and Nintendo was simply too slow on the comeup, or too shortsighted. could've been big and a huge money maker if they even knew what potential they had.
2- No one is asking to get hired by Nintendo, but simply asking them to not be so harsh on "protecting" their ip. Just because its "legally within their rights" does it make it ok? is it even worth the company dime to go after these fan projects? all it does is convince more people away from nintendo and invites bad press every single time. these fan games arent even being sold for profit, but i guess only sega can have a healthy relationship with its fan game scene.
3- brother you can buy dark souls and the witcher 3 on the switch. but this point is moot anyways, the fan translation removed any need for nintendo to make a translation of their own, and honestly they would fuck it up hard. im glad theyll never touch it personally and so are a lot of fans who have come to this realization.
4- mario 3d all stars doesnt even have galaxy 2 but its the definitive edition? in fact there isnt really a point here, you are just excusing mediocrity.

in fact there's a lot more i could say, like how the emulation/rom sites are legal but nintendo still feels it has the right to close them down, when every other game publisher doesnt. or that joycons are the worst controller Nintendo ever made, and they had the fucking gall to sell a console where you cant remove the joycons. or the proof that nintendo doesnt have fucking clue how to market other than name recognition, if the wii u is an example of anything. or how the eshops on nintendo are the worst in the busines, before the switch. like needing to buy every digital purchase if you lost your og 3ds is fucking shit, even for back then.

@thepine99 Yeah I got bored and stopped watching because I think eSports are cancer. Explain to me why I should care.

@thepine99 Yeah I got bored and stopped watching because I think eSports are cancer. Explain to me why I should care.

@Atomic Lemonic [Stream]
Lol true he does like indie games a bit too much and his review of Outerworlds was kinda stupid same with angry Joe's.
But he helped me cope with the huge overwhelming Nintendo love and helped me realize I wasn't alone in thinking those games kinda sucked.

@綾瀬Tay oh you mean i guy who clickbait's you into a boring indie game that you'll probably  drop in a few day  time from actual give Nintendo <b>a hard</b> time gazes never herd that before. not to say that Nintendo shouldn't  be given a hard time just he should be one to talk

@綾瀬Tay oh you mean i guy who clickbait's you into a boring indie game that you'll probably  drop in a few day  time from actual give Nintendo *a hard* time gazes never herd that before. not to say that Nintendo shouldn't  be given a hard time just he should be one to talk

I was ahead of my time as well :)<br>Me and Yahtzee are the same species the "actually give Nintendo a hard time" species.

I was ahead of my time as well :)
Me and Yahtzee are the same species the "actually give Nintendo a hard time" species.

@chocoman far point still  don't give him attention  man

@chocoman far point still  don't give him attention  man

@Atomic Lemonic [Stream] He's has no authority on what people can or cannot do. <br>And the "fan" that started it made a goof of himself, freaking hilarious.

@Atomic Lemonic [Stream] He's has no authority on what people can or cannot do.
And the "fan" that started it made a goof of himself, freaking hilarious.

like how most people took to bashing a Nintendo fan even thought emp said not to.
ironic as is idiotic
guessing that all fan act him....Kyle

Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral, “cringe”, and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. Furthermore, if you say that you like x but hate x fandom, you’re hating yourself too. Remember, you’re technically still part of the fandom, and there’s no rules for how much to have to engage with other people in order to be a fan. I know it’s a popular thing on the internet, but homicidal self-deprecation is unhealthy. It doesn’t matter if you’re trying to say “I’m one of the good fans”, people calling your fandom toxic will still not accept you.

Same thing happened to Jim (Stephanie) Sterling a few years ago when reviewing The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild.

Same thing happened to Jim (Stephanie) Sterling a few years ago when reviewing The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild.

@Nick Elakon Probably because what he does more of humorous skits than reviews.

@Nick Elakon Probably because what he does more of humorous skits than reviews.

I don't recall Yahtzee criticizing Nintendo in this way. I mostly remember him saying "Durr hurr I hate waggle controls because apparently I'm an arthritic, crippled old man who can't flick my wrist slightly". Or, "Durr hurr, playing a multiplayer-focused party game alone isn't fun, therefore game bad".

Lmao people still taking Yahtzee seriously? His Sonic videos are some of the worst I've ever seen, reeks of classic fanboyism.

Crisp Jr. is still out there commiting  heinous crime with his no teeth and blue skin

Crisp Jr. is still out there commiting  heinous crime with his no teeth and blue skin

That’s what I will quote for those looking to pick on people.

“Never argue with an idiot, they will only bring down to their level and beat you with experience.”

@Harry Radley the whole point is that the Nintendo fans take the qualities of the games and have it overshadow every other decision  the company makes. like what does having good games have to do with being so greedy about lets plays, or going after eumulation sites that are legal? feels like you didnt watch the video, or you did and it was *whoop^ in one ear, out the other.

@thepine99 Nothing you said really contradicts anything I said. I'm not blindly praising Nintendo, in fact I still think 64, GC and Wii all basically sucked (distant 3rd in each generation). There's plenty of valid criticisms you can make about Nintendo but Sony risks losing this generation from sheer irrelevance (wokeness and censorship isn't helping either) and Microsoft will likely win with the popularity of game pass but Xbox is basically a budget option for children and casuals. Nintendo is the only company doing things differently and producing good exclusives.

I completely agree that there's also fans who overreact and complain. I can understand that, the industry has become pretty lame. I'm not sure what your point was about my decision to focus on games but the reason I did it is because the quality of the games is way more important than ray tracing or haptic feedback and whatever other gimmicks are being pushed at the moment.

@Harry Radley except xbox fans shat on microsoft for their drm for the xbox one, and sony fans are pissed now that they found out their ps4s may just stop working one day. Nintendo fans seem to forget any bad decisions made by the company whenever a new smash character is revealed. and we all know which side  of the consoles have more 3rd party games, so we dont even have that strong loyalties to xbox/sony because 3rd party developers have made bangin games on the respective consoles. meanwhile Nintendo really only has 1st party, making the relationship kinda different. we arent even only looking at problems in the games, thats not what the video is about so i dont know why you're taking that route just to say Nintendo is fine. Nintendo has made amazing games. they are also very shitty towards their fanbase. <br>it feels like every other game company gets held accountable, by their fans, more than Nintendo, unless its a fire emblem character in smash, or a botw 2/metorid prime 4 delay.

@Harry Radley except xbox fans shat on microsoft for their drm for the xbox one, and sony fans are pissed now that they found out their ps4s may just stop working one day. Nintendo fans seem to forget any bad decisions made by the company whenever a new smash character is revealed. and we all know which side  of the consoles have more 3rd party games, so we dont even have that strong loyalties to xbox/sony because 3rd party developers have made bangin games on the respective consoles. meanwhile Nintendo really only has 1st party, making the relationship kinda different. we arent even only looking at problems in the games, thats not what the video is about so i dont know why you're taking that route just to say Nintendo is fine. Nintendo has made amazing games. they are also very shitty towards their fanbase.
it feels like every other game company gets held accountable, by their fans, more than Nintendo, unless its a fire emblem character in smash, or a botw 2/metorid prime 4 delay.

@Donkey Kong Fan And you can name a few stereotypes that justify personally insulting Doobus in the same breath, right?

yahtzee is also a professional whiner and always has been

most Nintendo fans are lame but he isn't off the hook either

yahtzee is also a professional whiner and always has been

most Nintendo fans are lame but he isn't off the hook either

@Nick Elakon
Yeah, I like Yahtzee but anyone claiming he's some kinda extraordinary master critiquer is out of their mind.
99% of his audience including myself just watch him because he has an entertaining way of speaking and making out there comedic metaphors.
He makes solid points occasionally but overall as an actual critic he's way way too negative/pessimistic bashing and ridiculing nearly every game he reviews including the good ones and it seems nearly impossible to satisfy him unless you're Dark Souls or P0rtal.

People watch him because he's charasmatic, not for the actual points he tries to make, for some reason certain subscribers for comedy channels really seem to misunderstand the depth of their creators, 'least ZeroPunctuation doesn't seem to be as atrocious about it as Dunkey and his fans though, Dudes hilarious but he's one of the most arrogant and biased reviewers around yet is fans act like his word means all.

No one said their is anything wrong with the games tho..

No one said their is anything wrong with the games tho..

@Stev eh I dont know man I'm Yahtzee fan, I respect the guy, but he isn't always right and he's got some pretty clear bias that can hurt some of his reviews. He also has a tendency to over-exaggerate certain "problems"

especially grimey when those videos aren't even monetised. Its asif they want to provide a service to listen to their music but they never do.

TBF Yahtzee took the piss out of every game. He was the guy who you needed the negative reviews to keep you grounded and not just blindly look at games. That games are flawed and not everyone will enjoy them.

You can say the same about fans of literally anything: Sony fans will go nuts over a generic and repetitive game like Horizon: Zero Dawn. Xbox fans will defend Halo from accusations it has no personality or that Gears and Forza have just rereleased the same game over and over on a level rivalled only by the sports franchises. And yes, Nintendo fans love their mascots.

Fans gonna fan. Personally, I like that Nintendo isn't big into the multiplayer/competitive thing. I mostly see developers using it as an excuse to be lazy (see Fallout 76). I'm not defending the actions detailed in this video but Nintendo is still fine in my book because I don't care about SSB.

That's some beautiful character development right there, bro.

That's some beautiful character development right there, bro.

Yahtz continues to be an unparalleled and untouchable truth teller, regardless of public opinion. I can't believe he's been going strong for 15 years and the man's only ever taken two weeks off in that time. What a maniac.

@SC43 7 What are you even saying? I’m calling Yahtzee a man child for blindly insulting all Nintendo fans.

@SC43 7 What are you even saying? I’m calling Yahtzee a man child for blindly insulting all Nintendo fans.

@Donkey Kong Fan so accepting criticism makes one a man child? I guess we're progressing backwards since 2010

@Donkey Kong Fan so accepting criticism makes one a man child? I guess we're progressing backwards since 2010

@Donkey Kong Fan no point I just thought it was goofy. do you think DK would know what devolved means or does he only speak monkey. I mean I know in the animated show he spoke english but is that really canon to the donkey kong lore and mythos? I think it'd be cool if he spoke english cause then he could be as disappointed as I am in your comment lol

but fr there's no reason to throw insults around, let's all just chill. What's your favorite DK game?

Nintendo fans are so easy. They're like the hardcore disney fans. When I say Nintendo fans btw I mean the 100% blind bias ones who revolve their entire personality and life around "Nintendo". I myself an also a nintendo fan so don't try and kill me by saying this lol.

@Donkey Kong Fan bruh your name is literally donkey kong fan

@Donkey Kong Fan bruh your name is literally donkey kong fan

More like you’ve devolved so much to the point where you excuse the ignorant stereotypes and insults from a man child.

More like you’ve devolved so much to the point where you excuse the ignorant stereotypes and insults from a man child.

As much as I love SSBB, Yahtzee's review of it is one of my favorites he's done, it was so ahead of it's time that when i first saw it like a year ago I couldn't believe it was made in 2008


"Can I listen to your awesome music on YouTube?"
No.

"Can you release your music on music apps or anywhere really?"
No.


Someone once told me that, if nintendo were to loosen their legal restrictions and let people emulate or even allow mods/romhacks and stuff like am2r (or at least be more gentle about those things), then they would loose their own copyrights and anyone could start legally making games in nintendos franchises

I haven’t talked to that person since


I grew up with nintendo games, but was never like a die-hard fan or anything. They were just some fun games that introduced me to the entire medium, but a year or so ago I realized how shit nintendo's practices were and just kinda gave up with them.

Me too. I never worshipped them or anything.


As a hapless walmart employee, its all true. I have my 2006 Ford GT parked outside and my fellow employees are starving. No more hate please, I am bones already.


This is such a great video btw, the memes and clips edited in at every moment make it so entertaining


Nintendo has sucked ever since they took the blood out of Mortal Kombat


Not necessarily a sacrifice, but it's HILARIOUS that Nintendo is taking down steam deck emulating switch videos


Personally, I believe it is due to the 1983 video game crash that many parents of those born in the 90s, such as myself, aren't into video games.  My father was born in '73 and that means that he was 10 when the video game market exploded, right around the age when I myself got into video games.  With the lack of interest, he never developed the interest in games that I did.  My mother was born in '66 and so was 17 by the time the market died.  So she had had the chance to grow up playing with things like the Atari 2600 (which I found one day in the burn pile below my grandparents house over 3 decades after she had probably originally got it and I still have it, though it doesn't work and we don't have the cables for it).  It was also probably due to this pre-crash interest in games that she ended up owning a NES and SNES, both of which we still have.

If the crash had never happened, I might've grown up with parents who were as into gaming as I am now.

Nintendo is easily one of the most greedy and spiteful companies out there, alongside such companies as John Deere, Apple, and CBS.


knocked it out of the park again, its disturbing how loyal people are to consumerism and corpratism

@G- -stef I don't think we're saying the same thing bro.

@Isaiah Simmons Again, literally saying what I was saying. Nevermind.

@G- -stef so u to say its the new religion. still dont agree, religions always been like this. since dawn of civilization religion has been in that exact fashion, in my opinion. u can even see it in certain degree inside of old abhrambic religions like judaism. the religion are all one's faith (loyalty basically) to a brand, lifestyle, and most importantly control and power. thats why in the bible and quran most of it is about people destroying what they believe is false and redeeming, like babylonians or the jews in the stories. religion was always used like this in my opinion, always been used to subjugate each other. maybe its origins is much more simple, as apparently the earliest worships of deities were to enhance bare necessities needed to survive, but i believe even that can even be corrupted insanely quickly. that religion i refer is all but dead, it still has roots in newer religions tho, in a certain degree every religion has what that those first ones did.

@Isaiah Simmons That was exactly the point I was making. This sort of zealotry would usually manifest as maniacs who would attack witches, infidels, etc. etc, but in the modern era with religion being somewhat less prevalent the maniacal urges of a portion of the population to act zealously is being focused around other lifestyle choices which are not religion. This is not good.

@G- -stef I disagree. Not just era, but all eras has experienced this exact thing. I would even say "religious zealotry" and "loyalty to lifestyles, be this political choice, corporate/brand loyalties, media consumption, etc" had been combined in all very of religion itself, since religion itself invented.

@G- -stef good point, and at least the religious zealotry of the past was grounded in a long lineage of  wisdom. I'm not religious, but identifying with religion connects you with a lot of history, ethical knowledge, and a long lineage of people bound together by spiritual meaning. Having your identity based around something like Nintendo is a sad and shallow existence comparatively. A complete lack of meaning, community, and knowing one's small place in history is why we're having a lot of problems on individual and larger societal scales.

Don't ask questions, just consume product.

This is because we seem to have an innate need to belive in something bigger then ourselves, with religion the ultimate authority is a God who, if real, is very hands off, letting people ultimately come to their own decisions for better or worse, in the absence of faith for many, governments, brands and "causes" fill the gap, where humans are given far more direct command of such entities

I think the problem with this video was it really drilled Nintendo as being the only one. This consumer worship happens across media and across gaming specifically in many other circles. To ignore the overall trend or to falsely say its only a Nintendo thing, will only push people away from the discussion that needs to be made about this overall issue.

Nintendo deserves lots of criticism, but I feel like when they do get criticised, its via this hyper focused lens of anger from people who have tunnel visioned on them because they get so much praise from fans, seemingly more than other companies. But this worship is everywhere and the amount of praise is more a result of Nintendo's fan engagement and loud voices, and less about the actual purchasing actions of the fans.  There are thousands or millions of other fans in other fandoms, silently dumping money into garbage companies in gaming while they ignore their shit.

It's a parasocial relationship and some people just don't seem to get that

@Yomom12388 that was very interesting to read<br>And I agree with you

@Yomom12388 that was very interesting to read
And I agree with you

It’s all Sunk Cost issues same as the console wars in general. People go out and buy every item that a company puts out so they MUST be justified in having done that. Nintendo has to be perfect for them to justify having spent every red cent on consoles, games, and Amiibos. They can’t handle having wasted so much time and money, and thus all ability to see the bad stuff or have any nuanced takes on the issue poof out of existence. It’s the reason people will defend Sony or Apple to death, and the reason why some people legitimately defend the idea that they’re superior for gaming on a PC. Even I fall into the trap sometimes as someone who games on a PC and I’m more than willing to point these things out.

The thing is, it’s only gonna get worse as time goes on, not better. Companies have continually been pushing prices up in return for little to no real value for consumers besides the ability for them to say “I own the thing!” The mental gymnastics and justifications for corporate worship are only just getting started. Very few people are willing to turn their world view on it’s head and approach their biases and problems. Even less so in the modern world where people are paid like crap, treated like crap, and the prices to pursue their interests continue to spiral out of control.

We all are in some sense, I am not gunna buy something from some guy on the street with darkened fingernails.  When a brand shows quality, we all buy that instead, of the of the competitors. We can be mad with our brands like Nintendo and be fanboys.

@FatalSyndrome How ironic isn't it that a Nintendrone tells someone to touch grass.

Feel free to wallow in pessimism then :^)

@vaporwavedreamman As if leftist regimes haven’t had an almost religious zealotry and adherence to communist ideology, “the party”, and dictators that brainwash the youth, like Stalin and Mao.

Don’t get me wrong, capitalism has its flaws, anyone with eyes can see that, but I don’t exactly see an alternative that actually works on a large scale. Most of this Nintendo sycophancy is just fans getting too wrapped up in the hype and nostalgia, creating an unhealthy, naive, and almost autistic-like obsession with the company.  Like OP said, it’s corporatism, which IS a byproduct of capitalism, but I wouldn’t exactly call corporations that lobby governments into rolling back regulations, getting tax cuts, etc as “free market”

@Nova Deep in their hearts they've convinced themselves that their customers are suckers and they can fool them as they please.

@FatalSyndrome No it fucking doesn't? Lol what

@FatalSyndrome You get bodied and humiliated, which is why you cant respond.

We literally and unironically live in an era where what would once manifest as religious zealotry is instead manifesting as a sort of loyalty to lifestyles, be this political choice, corporate/brand loyalties, media consumption, etc.

especially champagne communists funny enough

@FatalSyndrome no it doesn't. Just like saying "XBox happened under Bill Gates" doesn't mean Gates invented the XBox. However, Iwata, although again a masterful leader and programmer, had the ability to shut these practices down, but did not.

@Blacktain Falcon Ok. Saying "these anti-consumer practices happened under him" strongly implies that they were his decisions.<br>Not sure what the point of this was.

@Blacktain Falcon Ok. Saying "these anti-consumer practices happened under him" strongly implies that they were his decisions.
Not sure what the point of this was.

@FatalSyndrome I didn't say he caused the decisions directly. I said he was president when the decisions happened.

@Blacktain Falcon Respectfully disagree. While he may have been leader during the competitive melee controversy, he was the only leader to cut his salary during the Wii U era for the sake of not letting ppl go.
He contributed in the development of Mario, Zelda, Mother, Metroid, etc.
I fail to see how any sort of the anti-consumer decisions back then would've been Iwata's decision alone.

@FatalSyndrome Bullshit. Look Iwata was a great man but a lot of these "anti-consumer" policies happened under him just as they are happening now. Nintendo has always been overprotective of their IP's.  Nothing new has happened here.

@Foxtrot November Charlie Kilo Him and Iwata. It's my firm belief that after Iwata's passing, Nintendo has been run by a pack of tone-deaf boomers that obey stock holders

Reggie was the only reason I cared about nintendo because he was cool. now there is <b>nothing</b> left.

Reggie was the only reason I cared about nintendo because he was cool. now there is *nothing* left.

Sometimes I wonder what CEOs/employees are even thinking every time they make an immoral, unjustified, inhumane, ungodly decision in their workplace


A true cry for revolution. Thank you dear friend


Raise your hands if u haven't given nintendo a dime in years


So long as Nintendo keeps making great games and sticking to their niche, there probably isn't going to be much of a change in how people view Nintendo (also, I love how that person who you joked about at the end had a Danganronpa character as their Twitter picture, like Nintendo wouldn't wreck that game with their "family-friendly" crap.). They're a lot like Disney in that regard, Disney can release soulless remakes of their classics and charge people $30 to see them and still have them sell like hotcakes. But even then, the most hardcore Disney fans don't actively defend the company's actions, they're just focused on the media, unlike Nintendo. Nintendo's been breaking laws since the beginning, and they didn't suffer any real damages when they were stopped (sure they didn't monopolize the third-party market anymore, but they already had that hyper devoted fanbase) so they don't have much of reason to stop now.


Glad to know I’ve been emulating Nintendo games for yeaaaars without knowing any of this and now I feel good about it


What Nintendo fanboys need to understand is that just because Nintendo has the legal right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

Look, I know everybody’s heard horror stories of groups of fans doing immoral, “cringe”, and sometimes illegal things, or just starting civil wars or whatever, but these fans are always either individuals or small organized cliques of radicals that don’t represent the whole fandom. Every time such a story surfaces, the actions of the vocal minority are condemned by the 99% of good fans. (And by the way, arguing doesn’t make a fandom toxic. Arguing is healthy if handled well. If it isn’t handled well and emotions are taken too far, refer back to what I said about radical fans). Every fandom has a vocal minority, even if they don’t make headlines. You’re more likely to hear such stories from bigger communities, but the ratio of “crazy” to “normal” is the same across fandoms as per a statistical phenomenon called the Law of Large Numbers. People hate fandoms all the time, even though they most likely engage in fandoms themselves. Liking something makes you part of that fandom. And before you push up your anime glasses and tell me that “actually, fandom is short for ‘fanatic domain’ and I am a NORMAL fan, not a crazy fanatic”, may I remind you that denotation does not equal connotation, so while “fanatic” brings to mind images of crazy devotion, it’s just the long word for “fan”. Fan is short for fanatic (as per Oxford Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster, I don’t recall), like how rap is an acronym for “rhythm and poetry” but has become its own word. Also, a domain is just a group in the broadest possible sense, accurately capturing how large and diverse fandoms are. Therefore, a fandom is just all the fans of a specific thing. Your level of engagement in a fandom doesn’t determine how much of a fan you are. Fanartists depend on casuals who view their art, for instance. The masses are just as important as the creators. By hating fandoms, you’re also hating on people who have genuinely been helped by finding a sense of community by connecting with like-minded people. Fandoms don’t ruin things for you if you find the right people in said fandom to interact with. With bigger fandoms especially, it’s not hard. I get that negativity is stronger than positivity, but you’ve got to fight that internal conflict for your own good. It’s your fault that vocal minorities of weird fans are never recognized as such, and are instead chalked up to the whole group. The distinction between fans and “stans” doesn’t work because the word and its connotations aren’t going to shame people. Words depend on how they’re used. If people call themselves “stans” when they mean that they just like something a lot, there’s nothing wrong with that.

@dkskcjfjswwwwwws Did Crossfire copy entire maps and characters?

@bluishwolf crossfire, a korean cs ripoff which has the most users in any multiplayer game literally has dust2 in it, yet valve did nothing

@Bowling Basically. Like most Japanese roleplaying games are inspired by Wizardry, which in turn was inspired by D&D as D&D isn't popular in Japan.

@bluishwolf Wouldn't that logic mean any first person shooter or RPG is a fan game of Doom or D&D even if the person/people behind it have never heard of doom or D&D or didn't have either of those games in mind when making it?

@Bowling The same way first person shooters are fan games of Doom or roleplaying games are fan games of D&D. Video game genres are basically people being inspired by previous games and making their own version of it.

ok that was poorly worded and not a very good reply, my point is how is it a mario fan game if it doesn't use any mario characters?

@bluishwolf Is a Mario fan game a Mario fan game anymore if it doesn't use Mario?

@bluishwolf
You got me there, although tbf i did check the dev's vid about the situatuon and i was wrong about the timespan, and it was in fact 2 hours to take the game down.
https://youtu.be/kJGcDU4esUY
Around the second half of the video, right after the anti cheat part

@funni n original Do you think the devs can't work on the game when it's offline?

@bluishwolf <br>Tbf im pretty sure that nintendo gave the creator like, 48 hours or so to remodel the entire game AND the levels before lawsuit stuff ensued which are absolutelly fucking draconic terms

@bluishwolf
Tbf im pretty sure that nintendo gave the creator like, 48 hours or so to remodel the entire game AND the levels before lawsuit stuff ensued which are absolutelly fucking draconic terms

@funni n original And by similar mechanics, you mean they copied levels from the Mario Bros games wholesale?

@funni n original According to Mario Fan Games Galaxy, Nintendo usually only cares about fangames when it "has the risk of harming sales of their own releases". I can see the logic in that in the case of AM2R since it's technically allowing you to play a commercially sold game for free, but at the same time it makes no sense since you could argue fan remakes are fair use, and in any other case fan games should count as competition

Exactly bro like you can steal candy from a baby but you shouldnt like bro what

@bluishwolf
The thing is that not even this can save fan games sometimes.
Take Mario royale, for example, after the creator got sent an cease & dessist letter from the nintendo ninjas, he outright remodeled the entire game, turning it to DMCA royale, and even then he still had to take it down because the mechanics were still simmilar.

@Gay Champagne Socialist Parody is fair use because you need to mimic the original in order to perform parody in the first place. A mario fan game, on the other hand, does not actually need to use mario, just pay homage to the mechanics and introduce enough original elements to avoid being a copy.

A lot of the time it isn't even legal, or outright twisting of law. Especially in the US, where the best protections of parody and fan projects exist. EA is liable in this as well, but Nintendo is perhaps the most malicious.


Pretty much what I've been saying about Nintendo for almost 10 years now, though better articulated and put together in a good video.


This anti consumerism is exactly why I don’t buy Nintendo stuff.

Edit: also that blizzard one with Hong Kong caused me to boycot blizzard all together. I can’t believe that. Fuck blizzard.


Wanted to play Ocarina of Time. It would cost a ridiculous amount of money to get it on switch, so i ended up finding an emulator instead. I have no trouble paying for games, but when you tie a game behind two separate paywalls, like they did with OoT on the Switch, then it's pushing the limits of what I'll indulge


Stuff like this is why I can't stomach buying Nintendo products, completely destroying 100s of hours of work is insanely aggressive


When it comes to copyright enforcement, Nintendo seems to believe that they are a film or music company based on their actions. It's pretty ironic when you consider that Sony, an actual film and music company that also makes video games, doesn't even enforce their rights over their game media as staunchly as Nintendo.

@rui figueiredo It was pretty recent. FGO content creators like Plushie Master got hit hard by that

If only Sony didn't crack down on their copyrighted music so much

@AsianJackass what really? havent heard anything about it

Though when it comes to music Sony is very horrible with copyrighted stuff sure it may not be their games division doing it but still<br>Plus how they've been treating japanese studios should be called out

Though when it comes to music Sony is very horrible with copyrighted stuff sure it may not be their games division doing it but still
Plus how they've been treating japanese studios should be called out

Tell that to Chuggaconroy and their claiming the majority of his Earthbound LP........

@Luis Alfonso Pinto you're right, this video doesn't need to infantilize you. you've done that yourself.

@Natetendo based on your comments you're a shill and are sweating hard. 0.35 cents have been deposited into your account sir

@Luis Alfonso Pinto
1. Ah, yes, old gamecube game that you can't even buy takes away the attention from the latest release and are worthy of creating tons of bad PR and effort to take down the tournament. Pretty insecure and pointless if you ask me.

2. Ah, yes, fair use non-commercial products made by 1-3 guys pose a real threat to the official products, totally not work as a free marketing for nintendo and are worthy of taking down.

3. Yet, the emulation is eVIl aNd IlLeGal.

4. How can a game with no BLJ be a definitive version? Sounds like an inferior product to me.
Also "there is no reason for nintendo to not be unfriendly to consumer" is kinda pointless to point out.

@Luis Alfonso Pinto <br>If Nintendo just left melee alone, as would make sense for a game that they have no profit incentive to pay attention to, very few people would have a problem with them. However they ACTIVELY GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to sabotage competitive melee and have for *years*. Thats a completely different thing from not supporting them. There are, for instance, loads of older Street Fighter games that Capcom isnt supporting but they're not actively going to shut down 3rd Strike tournaments.

@Luis Alfonso Pinto
If Nintendo just left melee alone, as would make sense for a game that they have no profit incentive to pay attention to, very few people would have a problem with them. However they ACTIVELY GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to sabotage competitive melee and have for *years*. Thats a completely different thing from not supporting them. There are, for instance, loads of older Street Fighter games that Capcom isnt supporting but they're not actively going to shut down 3rd Strike tournaments.

@Luis Alfonso Pinto does that make said practices good or favourable to the people at the end of them? No, it obviously doesn't. The point isn't to say that Nintebdo is doing something illegal - that's just silly. It's to show awareness at practices that directly kill effort and passion made by fans.

Sony does enforce their rights dude. Nintendo doesn’t

@Luis Alfonso Pinto You know that nintendo won’t suddenly get in bed with you cuz of this, right? One or two comments is okay, but you’ve been to EVERY damn comment to spout your rationalizations of nintendo’s awful behavior.

Inb4 “nice debunk”

I would do the same in Nintendo's shoes, and I know you would too. (Probably)


The worst ones are the People treating Sakurai like a god. You aren't allowed to criticize UNLESS its something Fire Emblem thats perfectly fine apparently...<br>Finally someone speaks up.

The worst ones are the People treating Sakurai like a god. You aren't allowed to criticize UNLESS its something Fire Emblem thats perfectly fine apparently...
Finally someone speaks up.


Wish you'd talk about how the Pokemon games have become a shadow of their former selves, too.


After pokémon sword and shields debacle I refused too buy a pokémon game till they made better games but as soon as I said this fans said I sound just play the games that the poor devs have made.
Kinda glad that the Blizzard controversy's happened because I can now separate my childhood (only 8 years ago for me) from companies and while there will always be lines I will not cross (harassing devs/grunt workers) I will always be hard on CEO's to do their best.
Its just a damn shame thats hard too see from Nintendo fans.


That's why Genesis does what Nintendon't 😎


That's how you build a cult! Good work, Nintendo!


Would you believe people STILL joke about Byleth’s reveal with memes like “Evil Byleth be like ‘My reveal was HYPE!’” & still treat them like the worst entry of the DLC Season Passes, yet the outrage over Expansion Pak or the recent shitting down of GilvaSunner (not the mashup/remix one) doesn’t seem as fervent anymore.

I say “It’d be cool if people had the same energy they have of being critical of Nintendo towards Sony & let’s say, their deceptive refund policy”, but… shoooooot. At least people were able to get PlayStation to fucking course-correct when they were trying to shut down over a DECADE of gaming history with shutting down the PS3 & Vita stores (PSP wasn’t so lucky, sadly). People don’t even talk about the Wii U & 3DS shutdowns, it seems like people accepted it & moved on! Sure, homebrew exists, but so does it for other consoles!

Post-full viewing reflection, I have the feeling that "Yes." In response to the non-sequitur "Am I pathetic for owning a Switch?" was amazing sarcasm, though that's probably just me sugaring it over for myself (I refuse to use terminology like "cope" LOL). Like, no one is saying that or for you to sell your Switch & swear off your enjoyment of their games, but to be more consistent in your outrage.
Though I do appreciate the challenging of the "developer & executive" divide. There are cases when it's applicable since not everyone is proud of everything they make (you really think any well-adjusted person was excited to animate for MegaBabies?), but you know who did say something when their publisher was screwing over their fans?
PlatinumGames, when Sega initially said they weren't going to bring Anarchy Reigns worldwide.

Lastly, the use of that Link pic was like a bit of covert code, cuz no one bearable has had that for a profile pic LOL. I feel bad for the original artist of it.
And "YOU DON'T GIVE A DAMN, BUT I CARE TOO MUCH" is... such a mood.

Post-full viewing reflection, I have the feeling that "Yes." In response to the non-sequitur "Am I pathetic for owning a Switch?" was amazing sarcasm, though that's probably just me sugaring it over for myself (I refuse to use terminology like "cope" LOL). Like, no one is saying that or for you to sell your Switch & swear off your enjoyment of their games, but to be more consistent in your outrage.
Though I do appreciate the challenging of the "developer & executive" divide. There are cases when it's applicable since not everyone is proud of everything they make (you really think any well-adjusted person was excited to animate for MegaBabies?), but you know who did say something when their publisher was screwing over their fans?
*PlatinumGames,* when Sega initially said they weren't going to bring Anarchy Reigns worldwide.

Lastly, the use of that Link pic was like a bit of covert code, cuz no one bearable has had that for a profile pic LOL. I feel bad for the original artist of it.
And "YOU DON'T GIVE A DAMN, BUT I CARE TOO MUCH" is... such a mood.


MLG: We want to play SSBB professionally and bring exposure to this amazing game and expand the fanbase!<br>Nintendo: yeah we don’t want that!

MLG: We want to play SSBB professionally and bring exposure to this amazing game and expand the fanbase!
Nintendo: yeah we don’t want that!


Even given all this, Can you really see the Playstation or Xbox brand as "the lesser of 3 evils?" This is why you go PC people.


This brings me back to a saying my Mom used to tell me. "Just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's right."

I thought It was crap<br>Nintendo labo I mean

I thought It was crap
Nintendo labo I mean

In regards to what are you saying this? Nintendo defending their IP's?

And just because it’s illegal, does not mean it’s immoral or wrong.

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

Well por could be problematic some people don’t over do it

Mmmmmm no. It’s justified it’s right there are better ways but don’t always have options.

@Emil Persidski<br>Then Nintendo will just have to lay off. I know they're in Japan but still. Even then, what you said doesn't mean this shouldn't be stopped.

@Emil Persidski
Then Nintendo will just have to lay off. I know they're in Japan but still. Even then, what you said doesn't mean this shouldn't be stopped.

@Carlo Nassar YouTube can't change copyright law, unless they bribe congressmen.

I'm curious, What makes it not right? Not being sarcastic but I genuinely want to hear the argument instead of a catchy line.

But some of this stuff shouldn't <b>be</b> legal at all. In fact, YouTube should change their copyright laws too.

But some of this stuff shouldn't *be* legal at all. In fact, YouTube should change their copyright laws too.

@Me Dicen Mordred No, it was about the time pot was getting legal in some state in Colorado.


I like to come back to this video every time Nintendo does some bullshit.

...Oy vey, how many more times can I do this?


Don't forget the time Nintendo took down the mario battle royale game and then blatantly stole the idea.

@The #1 Yoshi but they still did it along with that they still reap the benefits even though it is for a limited period of time

Stole the idea and then shut down their own version after the 31st of March this year so it’s not like they even planned to actually keep it going on for all that long anyway.


I was about to check how many nintendo fanboys disliked the video and make a very intellectual comment about capitalism, but I guess I'll die


I almost bought a switch for the recent animal crossing but between Nintendo leaving out 50% of basic features from previous titles and intentionally making it difficult to get their consoles I’ve decided I’m done with Nintendo