Will Windows survive Y2K38?

@@ATS_i_piss_on_G00gle lol

@@brlinrainf ok

maybe when it plays it sets a variable saying the current date and time so uhh when a second passes it syncs with the internal clock that the music is at 0:01

#SHITPOST

to know how old a piece of media is?

funny thing here its a way to track when you last listened to it if you listen to it offen if so then they can sell the data and ad companions buy said data and welp there you go adds for Spotify or for music by the one who wrote said song

welcome to ad world where your data is are money pool thank you for contributing
please make sure to make lots of info

​@susannerudolph8469 delta time is always recording from a set date

@@Endermanch i thought deltatime is just a timer that is specific to a animation and gets reset once its done

Cutting the clock every 100 years and then rest is probably a good idea. Is anyone really gonna look at a calendar and not know what century thire in.

isn't release date part of metadate on audio and video files

​@@GaryIsFoundstreaming is garbage and doesn't work with no internet. winamp works just great with my CDs, even when my router is unplugged.

Egg

@@Endermanchstop the war pls

wrong video.@@SKLETON_7609

there is ms's new media player from windows 10 20h2 and later.@@Endermanch

Eh... Discord will prolly die

tracking is one reason, although I don't think it's the reason because Windows use a different time format. The main reason is likely due to media formats storing date time in 32-bit Unix time in the files, leading to incorrect metadata or failed assertions when running

windows 11 media player exists it works on as old as windows 10 20h2. or just use groove music and movies&TV. i tried playing music and video on Windows 10 RTM English-US x64 on 2038 using music and video apps and it worked great. wmp legacy got updated in 2012 with windows 8.0 which removed internet or bing radio. idk on that one but i know some feature got removed. since like 2009 it never got updates.@@Endermanch

​@GaryIsFound Spotify works real well when the internet is down, also YouTube videos get deleted, vlc media player is eter nal, streaming media sucks, also YouTube and Spotify aren't as complex or useful as a real media player, if you want to do something other than quality and playback speed so it's Moreso the other way around

I would not worry about 2038.We have good chances we wont get to 2030.

Fr.

Oh no, how will we ever be able to be able to listen to music or watch videos on a computer app that is is nothing compared to spotify or even youtube (of course this is what you think until there's no internet)

@@Endermanch yes

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It's a media player - it keeps track of when you last played the music.
Tracking the duration of music is quite simple (and it may be possible to defeat bugs that occur when crossing a time 'boundary' like the Y2K one itself during playback), but you need the other stats!

Delta time for some animations, perhaps?

@@Lurch-Bot its a joke like y2k they made a comment. also @endermanch im starving for videos!

What a pointlessly longer way of writing the year 2038.

lol

i do but some people are busy. thats understandable.

Personally, I can't wait for the best buy sticker

i made one

@@vermamaerodriguez96 oh no that's one I think it's in one of the hardware vids b4 the I might get terminated vid.

@@user-he2bo4zg9c you're pretty dumb, you can't save 1m items in scratch, why you dumb!?

@@vermamaerodriguez96 he made these type of videos years ago, new viewer. a true viewer will also watch his older videos not just the latest.

@@user-he2bo4zg9c idk strach other than the simple commands i learned in scratch 3.0 in class 5 but in class 6 they downgraded to 1.4 and it works in winxp compatibility mode and 3.0 is for higher classes.

Me: I will make a Scratch project that uses the Double limit of numbers, stored in a list. The limit of this software will be 10^6.160*10^8 assuming the Double limit of 10^308 and Scratch’s list limit of 200000 items.

Also, how i like a name of a very dangerous bug turn into a name of a fashion.

as dark as it sounds: we dont know how dangerous y2k could have been because of the fixes.

he did over 3 years ago new viewer.@@vermamaerodriguez96

New thing to look forward to

and shelters being set up just like the y2k panic

@@vermamaerodriguez96 what

@@vermamaerodriguez96He has videos talking

voice reveal

​@@ncsnewaudioformymainchanne9912the thing is not if they can fix it or not, is that to this day there are tons and tons of computers and servers still to this day running on old versions of XP or 7. When i worked in tech support i died a little bit inside seeing some computers managing important content running Windows server 2008 or Windows xp servers

​@@petethepetearound the 1970s* when the Y2K BUG was discovered, they shrugged it of, thinking that by 40 years approximately it would be already fixed. But at least 1 year before the year 2000s. More than 30 years happened after the Y2K Bug was noticed and, at least in the US, tons of people panicked. There were some people who lost all their money in bank accounts because the banks were too late in updating their systems.
And as the cherry on top, there are, still, tons of services running old versions of Windows, phone companies, machinery, you name it, most of them are using Windows 7 server 2008, or outdated versions of XP

@@ncsnewaudioformymainchanne9912 they will fix it if they see it make money

It won't happen microsoft is a multi billion dollar company they will fix it

@@petethepete believe it or not, some buisnesses in asia still use windows xp.

@@STCatchMeTRACjRo and the old one is better to play HEVC video 1$ for new free for the old one

@@captaincaption I'm sorry!

no don't say that... ;-;

This problem has already manifested in Oracle's Access Manager for Windows. The Identity Console component sets a cookie containing UI preferences with an expiry of 500,000,000 seconds in the future (15 years, 308 days, 53 minutes and 20 seconds). This is beyond the limit and so it throws an exception for certain search activities after 17 March 2022, at 02:20:48 because the gmtime_r() call cannot convert the number provided to a date to write to the cookie. Despite the age of the software (18 June 2009), Oracle issued a patch for the software

@@petethepete he said it isnt

I wonder how shit my 6700xt will be. I remember when the gtx titan was so overkill it was a meme. I have no idea how my gpu could even be considered slow, but i guess ill check back in in 14 years on my budget 24gb vram build for my kids

WHAT

Damm. Time flies.

@@Windfarmer that was the legacy windows media player. windows 10, 11 include the new windows media player 2022. in short you have two versions of windows media player.

What do you mean it's far away? Its a decade and four years!

considering windows 7 came out more than 14 years ago and it is still in use in some places, not out of the question that in 14 years time this will still be used and someone will load up windows media player

y2k36 (y2k 2) : electric boogaloo

Me when unfunny meme that makes you look like a retard because you have no idea on what heat death is

August 12 2036 the heat death of the universe

@@AbsolutDasher early happy birthday!

Cracks dick in half Jr.

Esq.

okky
@@AbsolutDasher

wow, the universe is ending on my birthday. sorry guys

I'm sure Dr. Jr. will find something.

Loudward

And If Photons Never Decayed...
January 1, 10,000, The Big Rip/Crunch of the Universe.

I completely forgot about AI Spongebob lol

"The last remaining black hole has finally evaporated. The universe is now permanently in perfect thermodynamic equilibrium, and time no longer has any meaning."
- Mr. Krabs

@@cycrothelargeplanet Javascript does have 64 bit. BigInt and BigInt64array

oh fuck so youtube's gonna die on that day too

How do you know

literally my bday

@@XDarkGreyX So asking questions is a crime now?

​@@cycrothelargeplanet other commentors are not a search engine...

That wierd

@@DaxyGamer i was mainly talking about backends, not frontends
it is possible that there's some java and javascript (node.js) on the backend
the website you visit and view is the frontend, which is the javascript part

@@b3x206 JavaScript*, not Java, learn the difference this:

​@@gargamel3478 JS can represent values of upto a 52 bit signed integer, this is already enough to cover the year 2112 even with microsecond level precision, since we are talking in seconds, that's 5000 years into the future

A full 10 imo

On a scale from 1 to fucked how fucked are we

Well, if YT's max timer is 01/19/38, then I guess a huge part of the Internet will be lost on that day unless the bug gets fixed

​ @gairisiuil yes, my bad about the bits, i meant bytes, i probably have damage in head.

from a short search, youtube uses a mixture of Python, C, C++, Java and Go in it's backend so large majority of the backend is done most likely on those faster programming languages instead of an interpreted language.

what i am saying is that a website used by billions should have considered this but since we will never get the source code we will most likely not know.. after all it's the same website which hit the integer overflow with gangnam style on it's view counts.

@@b3x206 running any backend in any python runtime would be bad and inefficient because python is slow, but in the case it really is, that is NOT 10 bits, that's 10 chars, which i'm not sure the size of in python but in C is 80 bits (10 bytes.)

Isn't youtube's entire backend is python, which uses datetime packed inside 10 bits (char datetime[10] + other information in the PyDateTime_DateTime structure)?
And running their backend in 32 bit would be bad and inefficient for a website visited by the billions, so we can assume it's a 64 bit python runtime. Maybe the client side javascript would show the date incorrectly (which i assume would be unlikely and a bug fixed in few minutes) but youtube wouldn't break in y2k38.

nice, no more YouTube for my birthday :)

@@gairisiuil fellow Enderman enjoyer?

@@surv5k hello surv 5000

@@godzillafirefox923 Python, PHP, C, C++, C# and Java I think

@@cycrothelargeplanet yeah, I was asking what do people use for backend programming?

@@ltecheroffical 2038, we have to guess between 1bc to 1b2k38 and beyond

@@godzillafirefox923 Backend is the server side, or atleast the part that isn't the client side (at least in web development)

@@frinkifail7063 Oh okay

@@cycrothelargeplanet Dailymotion.

@@cycrothelargeplanet No wonder YT is so slow and broken.

​@@gairisiuil hi

@@cycrothelargeplanet nodejs

That's for now they'll have to fix it

​@@gargamel3478its not only js, theres a backend on it. maybe they use a nodejs backend or a C++ backend, or they still use php on it, idk really. but its likely that they use NodeJS-like backend

@@cycrothelargeplanet look up nodejs

​@@xrafter some services encode creation datetime to ids, e.g. discord and twitter use snowflakes

@@cycrothelargeplanet you can use nodejs as server side javascript

@@allerek3287 sir react is a frontend ui framework

Y2K warning, this comment uses 2 chars for the year, we have to guess between 1 BC to 1B38 and beyond

as is most things

@@angelcaru I need an answer instead of being made fun of

Because even if you open a empty command prompt with C++ - there’s already backend(API). Even an operating system has a backend.

@@godzillafirefox923 APIs, websites, basically everything has backend. Even notepad in windows has backend - you can’t create software without backend.

@@allerek3287 do you know backend? I don't and what do you use for it?

lol

@@Sown. Backend is everything user cant see - like, if you type something into searchbar(frontend), your browser sends it to server and server does all the job to get you an answer - thats a backend.

@@Sown. programming terms... react is used for ui and backend is the stuff of a website users can't see. I don't know much but this is what I do know.

@@allerek3287 react? backend? what?

@@cycrothelargeplanet Learn about 'react' - it uses JS to build HTML that's then sent to browser. JS isn't browser-only technology - NodeJS is example.

@cycrothelargeplanet
> How tf do you use js for the backend

such a perfect example of blissful ignorance

@@DisappointedSon0813 And were will we go to?

YouTube needs to fall apart.

@@allerek3287 How tf do you use js for the backend

@@gairisiuil ohh

Youtube is using 'SPF - Structured Page Fragments.' and is created entirely in Javascript

​​@@cycrothelargeplanet 64 bit floats can hold up to the equivalent of a 53 bit integer's value, is what they're saying

​@@xrafterBecause Youtube is written in Javascript - it uses Google's React Alternative. Facebook uses react(as it owns it), same goes for reddit or twitter.

@@xrafter It's obvious. Why YouTube gonna have a server for checking the hour? They simply use javascript. Get the hour from a server it's so complicated.

​​@@mushroomcraftDoesn't JS not have integers or are you talking about BigInt (which should represent larger numbers than Number)?

​@mushroomcraft
I don't understand. Why does youtube use javascript to get the time instead of a server-side?

@@gargamel3478JavaScript isn't limited to 32 bits, it uses 64 bit floats, so yes it can't store a 64 bit integer, but it can handle up to a 53 bit integer perfectly fine

JS can't do 64-bit lol

Nah I'll just use av1 which is free

@@calculatortismm I bet Microsoft is gonna get rid of WordPad to make people pay for MS word even though it's just a version of Notepad that Doesn't suck, and actually gives you features like paragraph styles, and fonts, and images.

miao :3

@@JumbieLove290 Some software relies on it. Several games rely on Windows Media Player for media playback in game. There are also stuff like DLNA or ripping CDs.

glaceon pfp

​@@ronny12301it's technically wmp12, wmp11 is the media player they had in Vista

@@ronny12301people will likely find away using patches and all that junk especially me i'm gonna do anything to keep one of my xp pcs running with correct time forever

P.S. The reason why these codecs are paid is due to software patents.

In case of VLC, as the organization behind it is based in France, they can provide many codecs and also DVD playback for free as software isn't patentable according to some laws there. Microsoft isn't French. There's an article on ZDNet from 2012 about this.

Mpv/vlc beats the windows default media player and i hope anyone could install these for the better

@@ronny12301 rip wordpad :(

still won't stop people from using VLC tho

@@lmnk I wouldn't mind them removing most legacy apps, especially since a lot of them (especially from pre-Win7) will work just fine if unpacked from the install media and put anywhere. The worst I've seen so far is XP's Sound Recorder complaining about registry errors on start, but it still works perfectly fine even with that.
Though they at some point changed something and now most system apps don't work unless ran from their original location (probably why they fail to start on different directory installs)

@@comfeytimid1207 meow :3

bruh frosty why must i spot you in the wild RaccAttack

Honestly, this would be good. There are a lot of cases where never implementation is (almost) on par with old one, but both are still kept for whatever reason: old a11y and recognition stuff, some legacy cpl applets only accessible through control panel (I'd love to add the Control Panel itself to this list, but it is still somehow WIP after 14 years...), WMP, winver, other random Win95 apps just sitting in windir for no purpose...

I mean, wmp11 is not the only legacy app that exists

Idk if they are gonna replace every old app they have, probably they're just gonna let them die, or if they are important then maybe are gonna update them

Y2K was never actually a problem and this won't be either. Even more time to fix it. Besides, it is looking like we will go extinct before 2038 anyway. WWIII is precariously close to kicking off.

yeah, I remember reading an old post a while back talking about how theres a lot of abandonware that relies on much older versions of windows. That, and the old software uses uncommon file formats so its difficult to impossible to transfer data to newer softwares. Thus, you have a lot of important information (from labs and such) that are stuck forever on this old ass machine until they can hire someone to manually move over all the data

@@Pyro-Moloch Nope. We're talking about businesses that use very old technology because it costs so much money to move to newer ones. It's honestly astounding that hospitals, airlines, and most of the F*CKING GOVERNMENTS still use stuff like FLOPPY DISCS like HOW

@@blikthepro972 you can't without causing some sort of fatal error

@@blikthepro972 Exactly. This isn't just about MS pushing their new product and people following in masses. Sure, that is part of it, they want new sales and more control over users and all but like, there's literally so many more issues with this than that single one, for one all of what you mentioned. And besides, I really do not think there's as much issue with 90% or so of world population home users using Windows still as so many people think there is. The real problem with this will begin once they make Windows 12 as an excuse to force people into using computers with hardware not strong enough to run even XP, much less any bigger or more advanced programs, everyone will be forced to downgrade to it so that they can get cash from people paying them subscription based system just being streamed to your devices from cloud..

@@blikthepro972nah, oldest I've personally seen was w2k. But I saw a Siemens hiring Windows 3.1/DOS professionals, if I remember correctly, for train maintenace.

@@ghostnoise1711 i wouldn't be surprised with that tbh. i'm guessing you have some personal experience with this?

​@@blikthepro972Windows XP? Try DOS.

Thinking about doctor's offices that still use windows XP and vista... kind of scary

@@Pyro-Moloch even they have to face this problem. there are likely countless programs which are coded for 32 bit, are used in very important systems, and have never been updated, causing said systems to be built around those programs. planes likely still run windows xp, how the hell will you update them to 11?

@@Pyro-MolochOh, Micro$oft.

Not for Microsoft. They'd love nothing more than to have a reason to push everyone to their new product. In the past nobody cared for their Windows 8, 10 and 11 marketing campaigns, but now all they have to do is to cause panic among the users telling them about the potential consequences of not switching.

Well that was a non-issue, this is a genuine issue where computers will literally not be able to count a second forwards, and instead will just overflow to some time in the early 20th century.

I don’t get why they would even still include the legacy Win7 Media Player after however many years when they don’t offer the Photo Gallery Viewer from it by default anymore even

well whaddaya know, y2k finally happened yesterday

@uoeno4344 You never know, maybe they just updated it such that numbers before 90 mean 21st century and 90-99 mean 20th century

​@@ibapreppieJeez, take a joke you snowflake baby

@@ibapreppie wait, were you alive then? Because they had to do a ton of patching work.

"hurr durr MS stupid, I smart" is basically the original post.

I hope they fix this one too...@@sxjxt

@@ibapreppie yes, it didn't happen because they updated it to 4 digit time instead of 2 digit time, the point I'm getting at is that they haven't fixed this vulnerability

Maybe it's backwards compatibility, something Microsoft absolutely loves.

its not just microsoft, my iphone has that too

i was born after 2010 but i have watched videos about Y2k pandemic.@@ibapreppie

@@mrfoxesite4482 fix it or delete it

bro is yapping about a 14yr old media player.

@@sxjxt yeah it's been fixed since a SP release for NT 4.0, and 98 (both installers talk about Y2K patches)

@@petermikus2363 no i meant how did they solve the problem and some guy responded with what I asked for

@@Jakkilip lot of overtime and work from software engineers behind the scene thats how

"Y2K scenarios" will keep happening until the end of time.
You just have to acknowledge that and update your implementations when needed.

@@Ryzobyte its not a big deal tho, it can be fixed so easily and theres over a decade left, and all that happens is that it doesnt run. thats like the least impactful thing possible

@@lythd being consistent is the thing, either remove media player or update it

​@@cubed.publicthe.new media player, sucks ass, ugly inconsistent ui, VLC is by far the best media player

i mean this is a really trivial fix, and the fact that the best thing to showcase this was the media player shows its not even a problem if they were to just sleep for 14 years. even in windows 32 days, u dont have to use 32 bit numbers, the 32 bits is mainly just for address space, and for making certain things easier, but 64 bit numbers were still very common and used

so like this really doesn't matter at all

Fr

@@SkigBiggler never thought of it, but sounds efective

@@LimonPingas While true, any sorts of programs that do need clocks for some of their core functionality would cease to exist and there is thousands of program varieties that you could list ranging from home applicable uses to professional. Sure, not all of them need an internal timer like that - In fact, I never understood why are we even putting one into programs that don't need it - But, I still severely believe that attempting to reinvent said wheel would be for the better, and not adding an internal timer into software that doesn't need it in any capacity, which it seems all of it has one, as far as I understand the issue.

Why are you evaluating how good a whole os is based on its year/timer system...

It was actually 1/31/100. Some Windows 95 apps had this problem in 2000. Most of them had been updated to address the issue, but not all.@@uoeno4344

@@LimonPingas With 64bit time stamps, the maximum date storable is around 21x the estimated current age of the universe, or 292 billion years. I don’t think it’ll come up again if that implementation is used.

There is not a definitive solution unless you reinvent the wheel and find an efective way to store time and date on a computer. Until then, you can only postpone the disaster. Although it would be more efective to stop making programs dependant on the date and time.

@@cubed.public It's honestly sad because Windows Media Player is still one of the best music players out there and I would have no idea what would be something good to replace it with.. I tried some alternatives, none of them really worked well for my needs and preferences. I really do wish Microsoft updated WMP past 2038 but we all know they probably won't.. Then again, there's a chance that community will restore WMP for some more years to come. People love this player for how good and simple it is. Because like, what. What else you gonna play all that good music on in .wav, .mp3 or other such formats? VLC, discontinued (at least officially) MPC-HC? I know there's old versions of Winamp but I never liked it myself. I'm not one for streaming of anything at all like music, movies or even games myself either so this just hurts..

@@Lofote the main concern outside of database software would be programs just crashing or registering the incorrect time. On both windows and Linux, if a program uses the OS for getting the time, and makes use of the provided APIs for manipulating time values, there should be relatively little modifications needed. Y2K would’ve been far more complex to fix, cause it wasn’t just a lack of bits to store a large enough value, the use of 2 digit year columns in so many places meant a LOT of mainframe based software (the sort that airlines, banks and large companies use for payroll and similar), had to be updated, and that kind of software often is treated as set and forget, especially at the time. The change from 2 digits to a Unix time stamp is more involved and more prone to issues than using the same format but with more space. As for databases, basically all of them don’t have this issue anyway, they either store dates using 64 bits, or with 4 digits for year. I don’t foresee it being nearly as much of a last minute scramble to fix as it was in 2000.

@@SkigBiggler yes, but thus all applies to all programs on all operating systems. And all will need to be extensively tested in the next 14years.

@@Lofote Programs not being updated isn’t the OS’s issue, and in the case of Linux this issue would only really arise on old embedded platforms that haven’t been updated in quite some time. From what I’ve read, recompiling a program will fix the issue with no patches needed as long as a new enough glibc or musl version is targeted, without any code changes being required. It also requires a kernel newer than 5.6, which has been available since 2020. This is only for 32bit computers though, on 64bit systems, even when running 32bit programs, the time is 64bit. This has been the case since 2011. With regard to databases, that has nothing to do with OS choice in most cases. Database typically roll their own date handling, and their choice of bitwidth for storing that is their own choice to make.

@@SkigBiggler yes, just like windows. But how many programs are out there using the old time_t 32bit data type? How many database files etc store date data with 32bit?

@@Lofote it doesn’t, Linux has had support for 64bit integer datestamps for quite a while now, since 2019, and the support is on both 64bit and 32bit systems. The Unix time stamp doesn’t specify bitwidth, just the initial reference date.

@@sxjxtMastercard would beg to differ with what happened in 2020

@@ibapreppie That's what happens when people actually take preventative steps, instead of letting it happen and needing to fix it afterwards.

@@Ryzobyte they'd prefer to implement useless AI into their OS, understandable

@@tucathemanthe point is they didn't implement it immediately

it's still 14 years away from now blud they'll fix it by then

2038 is. Y2k is a different issue.

You are aware that this comes from Unix, and maaany Linux programs have the exact same problem?

​@@uoeno4344Y2k was mainly cobol and some some c programs because tm->tm_year is years since 1900 not years since years since 1ad.

​@@cubed.publicYeah, very poor on Microsoft's end though, if they are implementing a "quit if year is 2038" function they might as well remove Media Player

But they did fix it…idk if there are others, but Windows Media Player is crazy old and already discontinued for a new one, where I assume it’s fixed. In fact, they seem to have coded exit functionality in case of 2038, which I definitely did not expect

@@ibapreppie he said a y2k “scenario”

@@Jakkilip They fixed it by updating their software to use a four-digit year format instead of a two-digit format. For example, 01/31/00 would've been interpreted as January 31st 1900 and not as the year 2000.

​@@Jakkilip Magic

⁠@@sxjxt then explain how DOS machines from the 70s and 80s ticked over to 1-1-00 without needing a Y2K fix?

nothing happened because nothing was GOING to happen, it was just some unfounded late 90s fear of technology.

some poorly-built programs likely did need Y2K fixes but most were fine.

it’s just funny now how everyone was so scared that the entire world would catastrophically end over a date change, lol

​@@sxjxthow did they fix it

@@ibapreppie it didn't happen because they fixed it so it wouldn't happen

Never happened in 2000 LOL. You must have been born after 2000

If we make it to 2038, all those embedded devices still running XP can simply have the year set as current year -50 so you end up with the leap years in the right places and the day of the week will always be correct. And it isn't too hard for people to realize the actual date of your ultrasound or MRI. Common sense will dictate it wasn't taken in 1988 and everyone will just know to add 50.
But WWIII will likely happen before then and it has a good chance of being an extinction level event.

That’s because the bug causes the integer that records time to be displayed as negative. As it starts in 1970, it will flip and count backwards from 1970 rather than showing time since 1970

Man the two people that cannot use their brains is just how sad and pathetic some people are it isn't that hard to understand bruh

@@theDragoon007yaboiCJ The date of the 2038 problem is 68 years and a few weeks after 1st January 1970. The date that unfixed systems will then flip back to is 68 years and a few weeks before 1st January 1970. Probably a signed byte that can count the same distance in either direction from the arbitrary start point of 1st January 1970 at 00:00:00

what

huh?

​@@aarepelaa1142is for the computer to know what date it is and keep track of everything, that's why most people feared Y2K on their PC's, since the computers back then had two digits, and would confuse itself thinking the 00 = 1900 and revert things to that year.

@@Lurch-Bot A database might store the times to calculate the difference so there could be a need for it.
Also shoutouts to Youtube for hiding my last comment

An ultrasound doesn't care what time it is. They can just fudge it - January 19, 2038 will be the same day of the week as January 19, 1988 so you just set the year as current -50. It is also exceptionally easy to remember and common sense will tell you the date you're seeing is a +50 date.

@@aarepelaa1142 Do you not understand how computers work?

@@aarepelaa1142 Databases might store the start/end tate of some important task and may need to calculate the difference

Why would they need the date though? Timers maybe if youre too dumb to just use any other timer but wtf is the use of knowing its 2038??

Maybe by that point ReactOS will be a good alternative finally, or some other similar solution. Or it just won’t cause any major problems. Or you’ll have to run them with incorrect clock settings and have an external computer remedy that.

πo7

btw it is 3:14:08

Lol

Coincidence! I think Not!

I remember Sidekick for Windows, made by Starfish software, a company split off from Borland. It has some definite Y2K issues. I believe that different parts of it had different ways to represent dates internally. The last version apparently just dumped the features that wouldn't work.

The only Y2K issue I ever remember seeing was in some home office software called Lotus Smartsuite, which followed the year 1999 with 19-100, 19-101, 19-102 etc.

@MichaelDustter Server versions of Windows don't support HWID

@@suspiciousstew1169Me: despawns

@@suspiciousstew1169 all the 6th graders at my school: Despawns

Win32 will

and you're playing games that 7 year old play. and i do exist not you.@@suspiciousstew1169

are you hold at gunpoint by sundar pichai and neal mohan?@@suspiciousstew1169

i saw a 10yo kid being an enderman fan and he likes his videos.@@suspiciousstew1169

you are born after 2069.@@suspiciousstew1169

do you think you're funny LOL get a job and stop talking s**t and do your work.@@suspiciousstew1169

@@mrfoxesite4482 you're too young for youtube + people born after 2010 don't exist nice one pal

i will be 25 then 💀.

Happy early birthday

me too

​@@bl00dknight26 But Android uses Linux 4xx

i'm born on feb, 20 2012. sorry.

you're going to be born in the year 2038? nice.

​@@bl00dknight26 Still, 64-Bit systems can still use 32-Bit assets.

@@winelectronic101 well no, BSD already uses a 64 integer for counting seconds and linux also started doing it since Kernel 5.1 iirc

@@winelectronic101 Unfortunately the vocal minority within the Linux minority don't understand basic thought. They'll make us all look bad while trying to crap on anything anyone else does.

Don't waste precious brain cells trying to reason with them, just nod and walk away slowly.

You know it's not just Windows, right? This applies to pretty much any desktop, mobile, and console operating system.

bru it's my birthday too💀

It's a great birthday present

for me its a day after mine

me too lol.

@@Pc_User_Pro LIMBO's music really slaps tho

i like the naration because then there are no text boxes that cover the screen and also his it is more watchable

@@APPLP1E yes, that's good too, like nightkilla and other music

Not only NCS music, he used a bunch of Geometry Dash demon music too

I prefer text box style the most. When he made his first video with narration I wouldn't watch it because there was no text boxes.

He's done plenty in the past but yeah the subtitled ones are definitely the most common. Really nostalgic would be doing the subtitles in notepad.

That is basically a non-event compared to what could have happened.

Bubos years

minyear=1270
Process(minyear)
Maxyear=2999
Process(Maxyear)
Open /cfe.exe
Waitsec 10
Close /cfe.exe
Ifde erroryear
Curyear=Error
Ifnode erroryear
Set curyear=(within yrrange)

​@@aliveandwellinisrael2507 im greek and we use commas for decimal points here, not dots

@@randomgreekhumandot = decimal place, except in weird locations

@@randomgreekhumanWhat an odd idea.

@@TillyOrifice since K means thousand in most cases so that would be the year 2.038.000

Y2.038K?

@@gairisiuil yeah thats why i didnt mention it

Windows 2000 kind of counts too, though it's not 2 digits

Don't worry, everyone will be running Windows 38 by then 😂

what

It was a non-event. Yeah, there was plenty of scrambling behind the scenes but we got through it without a hitch. The 2038 bug is easy to work around. You just set incompatible devices with the year as current-50. Problem solved. Jut as Y2K, consumer devices in use will be compatible long before it happens. The real question is whether there will even be any humans alive in 2038 because there are about 12 milliseconds to midnight on the doomsday clock and WWIII is threatening to kick off any day now.

My mum worked in it around the time and her co workers did some of the work to make sure things didn't go to shit in the company lol😊

​@@ls190v2 thanks too lol,i'm kinda lazy to unscramble the words

@@nothanks39 just spelled "instructions unclear" backwards. Still kinda funny.

raelcnu snoitcurtsni

@@BeckyAnn6879 thats because they fixed it before it happened

Lived it as a 20-year-old. The constant.. worry and fearmongering was insane. 'Everything will just stop!' they said.
We watched the ball drop, thinking everything would freak out at the tick of midnight... Lights would shut off, laptops on battery power would INSTANTLY BSOD...
And then, nothing. Life continued as normal. It honestly was a letdown.

._.
are you actually liking a problem
this is like if u love losing subs 💀

I use Musicbee for music, and vlc for videos. Occasionally mpc-hc if vlc has trouble with a file.
I actually prefer mpc-hc over vlc but it's older and I don't think it gets updates anymore.

@@circleinforthecube5170 oh

​@@DccToonI think they were talking the og win 7 player

foobar2000 supremacy

i still use it, but if it crashes i immediately use media player

tbh i liked groove music more than their windows-11ized buggy mess of the modern media player

I've never liked the new player, kinda hated how every time you boot every new w8/10 app, they show like a loading screen, it doesnt take too long, but it was just enough to annoy me every time
I feel like they are wasting my time

The only reason why im not using the old wmp anymore is bc just recently moved to Linux xd

@@Stripedspot Windows 7 will always be superior to Windows 10.

​@@Stripedspotnot for gaming

@@Baburun-Sama Longhorn was the codename for Windows Vista. Also, Windows 2000 and Vista are no longer popular according to today's market share.

Well, They're Missing something: 2000, XP, Longhorn Vista, and 7

@@Wake_up._This_isnt_your_world yeah it's truly sad and some features, though small, really made a difference. Like dragging files onto apps in the task bar.

@@bananatoofat k.

That's for enterprise users. Normal versions like Pro have support until 2025@@bananatoofat

8.1 and earlier is better by far than 10 and 11

7 and 10 are far better than the current crap that is the win11. Heck, even win XP is.

Besides, 11 is literally a reskin of 10, but all of the good things from 10 were deleted, and the bad things were preserved. (and some amplified)

Windows 10 will always be superior to windows 11.

@@Lurch-Bot humanity would still exist even if the doomsday clock went off. and theres not a "few milliseconds on the doomsday clock" we're about 90 seconds from midnight.

Current year -50 for anything that started from a date in the 70s or 80s. Simple workaround. Will get the leap years right and always report the correct day of the week. It is also easy for people to remember to add 50 to a nonsensical year. I think of things like CNC machines and medical scanners as being the only things that might have this issue because there will be a fix well before 2038 rolls around for things like PCs and servers. Besides, I'd give 2:1 odds against humanity still existing in 2038. There are a few milliseconds left on the Doomsday Clock, that's it. The only clock you should be worried about rn.

yeah i think at that time we would need to change the system date to play older games

@@JumbieLove290 And yet you still added less.

I'm copied from Wikipedia to YouTube for the detailed information.

I have decided against following this excessively snappy presentation trend with my own content production. I speak at a pace almost anyone can follow and geniuses like me can always crank it up to 2x speed. Works a lot better that way than forcing tons of people to have to turn down the speed and watch me playing a game or building a PC in slow motion.
The internet was supposed to enlighten us but all it has done is create a massive feedback loop where everyone lives in their own reality. It can be tough to see the forest for the trees and, when it comes to YT, if you've been watching a channel for a long time, you'll just arbitrarily give a thumbs up for an objectively mediocre video.
TL;DR, YT metrics aren't anywhere near as clear cut as most people pretend they are. They also don't account for antagonistic advertising, whereby you are convinced to not buy the product in the ad because you didn't like the content of the video. YT will have a rude awakening when the adtech nerds do a deep dive and realize that views do not correlate well with actual sales. An adpocalypse, if you will. Currently, the perceived value of YT advertising is really just the social media version of the subprime mortgage collapse of 2008 waiting to happen.

YT Shorts have seriously devalued the worth of viewcount as well. They are nothing but a viewcount machine. Like playing that stupid Banana game. Just racking up clicks for click's sake.

Oh, and this isn't the account under which I post videos. I keep my personal You Tubing separate. I also can't tell you my channel name because it would violate YT TOS under the 'self promotion' clause. But I can tell you I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket and YT is just one of numerous side gigs. And I think a lot of content creators are at least somewhat aware of what I'm talking about because everyone is taking donations and selling premium subs and merch these days. Currently debating whether to go ad free on my channel. Feels unwise to become dependent on ad revenue in such a volatile market. When you're a tech tuber, there are many ways to diversify your revenue stream.

More like 'how to completely remove your PC from Copilot'.

@@Endermanch Say that word once more, and your home will cave in.

Serenity Painted Death is absolutely euphoric to listen to! Mikael's growls are the best

@@user-in3br2qs8xIt’s 2024

@@user-in3br2qs8x Thanks for pointing it out. Anyways, another thing. Back when I wrote the comment, I had made some quick math but I messed up the result and I only realized that much later. If I recall correctly, the correct result should be that Windows time can represent 29277 years from its epoch, considering an 64-bit signed integer.

See your last sentence. Even STEAM uses Unix-time today honey...xD Most PC-programs today use this.

But who cares: The 2k25 issue will be much more deadly, than he 2k38-issue, which comes in 14 years!

Panos: it's not my fault!

No. It will simply crash then. Because no program is made to go back to 1970s again.

nevermind what the hell 1901?

a u g u s t 1 2 t h , 2 0 3 6 : t h e h e a t d e a t h o f t h e u n i v e r s e .

yes ik but i'm in india not USA and also MS will not do that. but many parts of xp's source code leaked 4yrs ago so unofficial patches can come.@@AlexanderScott66

@mrfoxesite  I'm talking about all cases like that, even in the future. Or just make one update for all Windows PCs that all users can install(and if you think noone uses XP or 95, may I interest you in... the government?

bro this is an ancient 14yr old app included in windows. in less than 3yrs they will remove it. people just blindly believe other people even if they were dumb and made really stupid mistakes.

They'll fix it eventually. 14 years is a long time in the tech world

@@suchy.chomik ah okay

@@jacpa2011 oh sorry just typed it wrong, edited the message

they did, in time (unless you mean Y2K38)

@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 Yeah, but ideally we shouldn't be relying on proprietary software with a 2038 bug at any time remotely close to 2038

@@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 stuff like ghidra is probably already using ai pattern matching or at least has plugins for this. There's already a lot of traditional static analysis algorithms too. Probably stuff that can pick up on functions doing time related calls to the underlying OS and determining what types are being used.

@@mgord9518 With enough effort (maybe even AI, what it will be then) it probably will be possible to patch proprietary binaries.

By this point, perhaps AI based tools will be able to patch a number of closed source binaries as well.

@@mgord9518 yeah, even abandoned projects should be relatively easy to fix for the larger time_t. Some maybe just needing to be rebuilt.

I think very few open source projects will have an issue with this. All remotely common C stdlib headers have been fixed and 32 bit systems use a 64 bit time format.

Proprietary apps are probably the only thing that'll have issues

@@UltimatePerfection In ANSI C there's a time_t (seconds since epoch) normally used and the ctime function turns it into a string. There's also a localtime function which converts UNIX time into H:M:S etc based on the current timezone.

@@eDoc2020 Then do it at the OS level and expose the time components in the API.

@@UltimatePerfection It's more work to add this to every program, plus programmers are notoriously bad at handling the hidden complexities of time/date conversions. It's much easier to use a single numerical unit internally and then use a system function to convert it to a human-understandable form only when it needs to be displayed. Most timestamps are only processed by code and are never displayed to the user so why complicate things?

Storing time as a single integer is much more simple and performant. For example when doing time comparisons, calculating the duration between two datetimes (just a simple substraction) and sorting data based on time.

​@@UltimatePerfectionWhat you're proposing is many times more work than Unix time.

@@eDoc2020 Then just account for those. And you have to account for those anyway, even with a single time variable. Again, as I've said, you already need to break it up into singular time units (hours, minutes, etc.) to display, where you need to account for leap years and seconds, and the DST. So why add more work?

Time handling is complicated with tons of edge cases. It's just much easier to work with a single monotonic unit. You don't want everything breaking because somebody didn't account for leap seconds or daylight savings time.

Or- get this- we use one int64 (that's two int32's) and get to use the much-easier-to-work-with unix time for the next few hundred billion years.
Computers don't care about how we arbitrarily divide up time. It's a LOT easier to just work with one unit. Much, much easier to just convert it to something human-readable if you need to after.

@@_kitaes_ Yes, it's easier, I admit that, but then it leads to issues such as X year problem (replace X with the year the integer overflows). My solution avoids it completely at a cost of little more memory consumption and a little bit more CPU usage (mostly due to the branching), but with modern RAM capacities and CPUs it's basically free.

The reason why it would never overflow is that with each time component stored in its own variable, none would even go anywhere near the overflow limit. Stuff like days, months and obviously stuff like hours/minutes/seconds could be stored in a single byte each and with the kind of calculation as described on my final post, would never overflow because I have yet to see a year that has more than 255 months or an hour that has 255 minutes. And even stuff like years or milliseconds could be stored in 16-bit integer - it will cause a year 65536 problem, but by that time we'd have a new kind of calendar anyways.

windows actually has 2 types, 64 bit int and the thing you just described
it looks like they forgot that windows uses 64 bit time and they even used unix epoch time which is very interesting
also it's just easier to count time as a single integer

@@koopatroopa6882 Ah good to know, Not really a fan of Windows 11, is confusing af.

@@ItsJustJerNo, Windows Media Player Legacy and the new Media Player coexist on Windows 11, and you can run both of them fine. It's Internet Explorer that was "removed", as opening it redirects you to Edge, but you can still run it with a VBScript.

Windows media player is good for flac an mkv but for h265 ur fked

@@krnlexception all the way to Windows 8, and 8.1, it's still in Windows 10 but i think it was removed now on Windows 11.

windows media player legacy, the old one from windows 7

It was replaced, but the old media player is still there and some people prefer using it

The Movies and TV app

@@out9039 indeed.

CrowdStrike released an update to Falcon which ended lives of millions if not BILLIONS of computers.

What are you talking about...?

I mean there's no historical reason why they couldn't just have used the Windows Media Player 64-Bit version. That existed because it's in Windows 7 x64 which half of Windows 7 users had. (This was around the time people started transitioning from x86 to x64).

29 years actually

How does that make sense?

Windows 11 doesn't come in x86 anymore.@@_kitaes_

because 32 bit versions of windows

Мусливец?!?!

they will update it. the new version requires 20h2 or later so if they perfect it and it is also 20h2 or later it is not a problem. also on previous versions we have groove music and films & TV which will be nice if they update it. or just use third party apps at that point.

The new media player is pretty awful, modern ui aesthetic is ugly and wmp wasn't really "outdated", it does everything a media player is supposed to do

a lot of people who hate the new UWP.

​@@ishouldcomeupwithagoodname Microsoft has been integrating Linux features into Windows since 2015. Prior to that, there was the Unix subsystem that has been around since the late 90s and early 2000s.

​@@winelectronic101
Well, technically it shouldn't because Windows doesn't rely on unix time.

Anything that is pulling from 32-Bit assets. Particular locations include %programfiles(x86)%, %windir%\SysWOW64, and HKLM\SOFTWARE\WOW6432Node

Yeah, that's right. Should get the point across, though

64-bit unix time will work for ~292B years, which is, if you didn't notice, much longer than the universe has been around for

no​@@mrfoxesite4482

bro thinks echo show 5 uses windows. 💀💀💀💀 you meant emulate windows.

It's spywaresoft, what did you expected?

After all these are the same idiots who made sure you couldn't uninstall IE (edge nowadays) through normal means, and also made sure to place a bunch of backdoors into the software, (even on hardware level too like the BIOS iirc) so that the US could compete with china on who can steal the most private user data, and sell it, so yh.


Another reason to use linux. You can delay all you want, but you will install it in the future. It is inevitable. (even spywaresoft themselves are adopting linux tools too like the "ls" command from powershell, which is from bash, aka linux terminal, or the "dism" command, which is the pac command from linux to download and verify packages to see if everything's ok! XD)

setting the time to something like 2014 while you're in 2038 will cause SSL issues and your pc won't be able to verify websites

@@user-in3br2qs8x Appreciated! Thank you.

No, since programs cannot hndle that. You simply cannot tel a server to go "back in time". Because you as a client are´t allowed to. Licences rely on CORRECT time!

yes. i 100% agree with you. but enderman doesn't understand this.

And Again, to Year 10,000. IWe've got a Bad Feeling about this...

your devices might survive, everyone else's devices are what we're concerned about

YEAAAHHHH! LETS GOOO XD

Well we can, but we just hired the wrong people to do it and didn't push the move to x64 fast enough.

The kernel isn´t the problem! The problem is the timer! Linux uses a different timer than Windows!

64 bit time will last 2^32 times longer than old 32-bit unix time. Might be easier than you think.

Good luck finding where to store that number

Ironically this issue is a Unix 32-Bit time overflow problem. If you have an iPhone, well, Siri warned us this would happen if we ever asked her when the world would end so many times.

All those timing problems come from Unix, as if their programmers couldn't waste a couple of bytes on a damn mainframe, today's video game programmers don't mind wasting a couple of gigabytes 😅

No. I predict computer doomdays to happen in December 31th 2025! In just 1.75 years. The 2k38-problem is easy pie against this.

It´s not strange. Steam has the exact same issue! As Seam is just a CLOUD working on thousand of computers. And all of them rely on this 2k38-issue! Meaning it hasn´t been fixed on them!

and so when this happens, Steam will simply crash. And like you said: Windows Media Player will just throw out an error because it cannot handle the year 2038. And Internet might also stop working then.

Now, That being said, I don't think 32-bit systems would be safe. When installing them, Make sure their date is set to 2000. If you already have one, Make sure to set their date to well before 2038.

Most likely they'll just abandon compatibility of 90s and 2000s software.

@@user-in3br2qs8x they can (and are) phasing 32 bit out for the most part. also, its possible to change how the program uses the time in order to stop any issues from arising.

Windows cannot be fixed. It seems they have no solution for this since they can´t copy Linux-issue fixing (64 bit integers). Kinda funny when you think over it.

​@@ThatRandomToast Not sure why my previous reply was removed, but I actually already clarified that Windows XP 64-Bit Edition and Windows XP Pro x64 can be confused with one another.

@@winelectronic101 Also, 64-bit Edition is for IA-64 processors, while Professional x64 Edition is for x86-64 processors.

​@@user-in3br2qs8x Professional x64 Edition, not 64-Bit Edition. Those are completely different versions of Windows XP, the latter being unsupported by 32-Bit apps. I think you're confusing the 2.

@@winelectronic101 yes, but it´s also much slower and he worst version of Windows XP...xD

When people say "I loved Windows XP" they don´t mean the shitty 64bit-version of that...xD

Did you see what happened to BIOSHOCK once it transformed to 64 bit? It runs like ass! ONLY the 32 bit-version runs good!

There is Windows XP Professional x64 Edition

I've seen a couple videos on how to read TPM data from the motherboard

The Video is Like This
Windows 1.0 + Windows 2.0 + Windows 3.0 + Windows 3.1 + Windows 95 + Windows 98 + Windows 2000 and ME + Windows XP + Windows Vista + Windows 7 + Windows 8.1 + Windows 10 + Windows 11 + Microsoft Plus Collection + Windows Média Player Collection + Internet Explorer Collection + Microsoft Edge 2015 and Microsoft Edge Current + Windows Media Center + ALL Games of Windows 1.0 to Windows 11 + Windows Move Maker + Windows Live Manager and Others Windows Live + Silverlight + Microsoft FrontPage + Cortana + Microsoft Agent + Microsoft Bob + CyberBuddy + Bonzi Buddy and Max Alert and Peedy on Bonzi Buddy + Butterfly on Desktop + PC Clean Maestro + Vista Mizer Copilot + Programs Standards Windows 8/8.1 + Server Manager + Gadgets + Microsoft Store Collection + Xbox Windows 8 and 8.1 + Xbox Game Pass + Games and Softwares Instaled by Microsoft Store and Site Microsoft = Windows Supreme

@@user-in3br2qs8x
You're Missing on Something: Windows Longhorn and Windows Vista...

Because they don´t use the shit-timer of Windows 8/10/11!

Timer is more precise on Windows XP than on Windows 7/8/10/11!

So Windows XP will go on running with no issues. Not affected by his problem! ONLY 64bit versions of Windows are affected!

@@icantcomeupwithnames469
So for Englishpeople is 12<1 if on the clock, or what?

@@Lampe2020 Nope, 12PM is noon, 12AM is midnight, and people will probably look at you funny if you say 0 o'clock.

@@World_of_OSes
I normally call midnight 0 o'clock, so it must be an English thing to go 12-1-2-3-4-5-…
I thought 12AM was noon, 12PM was midnight, relative to the day before and 0AM was midnight relative to the beginning day…

12 am means 0

@@winelectronic101 True, but in the case of XP the 64x version wasn't very popular. As for Vista and 7 most of apps and games where 32bit

XP did have a specialized Professional x64 Edition, and Vista and 7 did have x64 editions as well.

LOL

A much bigger problem will come in 2025 allready...lol.forget the y2k38 problem.

Y2K was rectified years before that became a problem. Idealy, you want to fix these things sooner rather than later, and most applications had this kind of thing fixed between 1996 and 1998. The same ought to be true for the Y2K38 problem if we have any hope of fixing things, especially since Windows XP, 7, and 10 are gonna be around for a while, not to mention other platforms.

@@user-in3br2qs8xno shit and like i said they update the timer to signed 64 bit int and everything will be fine

Wouldn´t work on Windows as it allready stores it in 64-bit. Issue is the timer. Doubtful if it can be fixed.

no it's jan 20.@@Sentient-potato

January 1st? You’d be in for a surprise then

iirc mac uses the BSD kernel so they are 64 bit integers for counting time already

macos time is actually shifted 69 years forward, 1970-2107

The y2025-issue comes first! lol...And then if we survive this we can begin to pray.

But i say: The 2k38 issue is much easier than he 2k25-issue! The 2k25-issue is deadly as at affects even e-vehicles! lol

​@@Faizan29353you realize xp machines are already mostly off the internet right? They don't need too

It would probably affect a lot of 32 bit application which is still being used a lot especially one that is not getting any update and is closed source. Microsoft could add something like 'virtual time' as a compatibility but it will be stuck to the past.

Or some dev would make the program and sell them for profits. And then someone release an open source program 1 week later xD

@@Soup69God Genuine question: Couldn't the date just be set back to the start? I'm not well versed in the inner workings of this topic, please enlighten me

I have a few customers that have multi-million dollar integrated XP systems that run things like medical and industrial devices. There's not much that can be done about this for XP... I'm worried.

Yes.
I mean, if they survive 2037.

bro learn tech before talking about tech. and this is a legacy 14yr old app that was already outdated with the release of windows 10. enderman is trustworthy doesn't mean he is always and he will put shitposts sometimes.@@narrativeless404

@@ThatRandomToast What that clock even is for?
Multi threading synchronization is done by the OS
Timed events in the program are usually relying on a specific counter variable

@@narrativeless404 Wouldn't it malfunction without using an internal clock?

@@ThatRandomToast Why tho?
All they need to run is an instruction pointer in the CPU
The date could be just a string of text from the internet

Apps have to rely on internal clock.

@@mrfoxesite4482 the alternative is bland minamalism

you meant 2000's UI. it's ugly for me.

@@Lensquik sounds better and logically is stupid

@@jacpa2011 never said it was logical, just sounds better

@@Lensquik that means "year 38000" which doesn't make sense
"Y2K38" means "year 2k 38" or "year 2038"

@@Lensquik thatd imply itd happen in the year 38,000

Y38K sounds better

@@Byte_Youtube it would have to be negative time, cause BC years are like negative numbers, so i think that would be the most close thing to stone age

@@GabolateAnime I actually didn’t know that! I think he will find a way to set the time to the stone ages

@@World_of_OSes Thanks for the info, im sure a new idea will appear soon

1601 is the earliest year Windows can go.

Great idea :D

@@dacueba-games How can you be so confidently wrong and also blind? Don't just look at the first result. The GameCube had a 32 bit CPU. The Wii U and Switch had a 64 bit CPU.

@@user-in3br2qs8x Yall are legit just allergic to google. Unsubscribing from this thread

WiiU´s cpu will last much longer than the gamecube`s cpu. You can use it easily until 2100 without any issue. Both are 32 bit-cpus btw. But: You can still tell them to calculate 128 bits no issue.

The CPU's word size has little to do with what the actual size of the integer used for Unix time. 32-bit processors can handle int64s, for example, and there's nothing stopping a program built for a 64-bit processor from using an int32 for Unix time.

@@dustytux How can someone be so confidently wrong? Literally do a 2 minute google search.

@@dacueba-games They were all 64 bit. Most people at that time thought that "More bits = Higher performance". So, the Dreamcast, PS2 and GameCube were all called "128 bit"

​@@dustytux Either you're completely out of the loop or Wikipedia lied to me.

No, it doesn't

@@winelectronic101 hm, why is that? I thought it only used 64 bit time

Linux isn't safe from Y2K38 either. Neither is macOS, BSD, Solaris, iOS, Android, ChromeOS, or any other operating system.

What happens? Checkmate! Or: Game over! Whatever you like more...lol

Most features would break, especially if you're running an x86 version.

@@ColinsCity The legacy version has been renamed Windows Media Player Legacy with Windows 11 22H2.

​@@bananatoofat The UI was updated in Windows 7. In fact, WMP12 stupidly is a step backwards from WMP11 in the sense that you need to open separate windows to switch between the library and the now playing view. Windows 8 and onward wanted people to switch to their metro / UWP alternatives which they are still pushing in Windows 11, despite the fact that the whole point of it to make it compatible with Windows Phone is pointless now because WP no longer exists.

@@bananatoofat i have never seen it being called legacy on my Windows 8 or 10 laptops, it seems to be a recent thing, but they should have updated it's UI at least for Windows 7 or 8 maybe just even a lazy Dark theme to make it look more modern

wdym he has been narrating videos forever

Or worse, 1 day before January 19.

​@@circleinforthecube5170 The bigger problem that we have is the US military still relies on Windows XP for critical tasks, which could lead to a downfall on the protection of America itself.

​@@winelectronic101Microsoft might not even be around they arent what they once were, also thinking win xp being 40 is Insane to think its only 14 years away.

It's highly unlikely that Microsoft would touch a near 4 decade old operating system just to fix this, especially since it's overall family has been out of support since 2019.

@@winelectronic101 interesting... Thanks for the discovery.

​@@Windows2000Professional.s I found out an interesting one with the iOS Calendar app, it doesn't allow the scheduling of events beyond the year 2079. Clearly that doesn't have a 32-Bit timer, but if that's when 64-Bit timers go out to, it's not much. Either that or this is some sort of software bug with the system clock.

@@winelectronic101 I mean... The timer for macOS could be 32-bit.

So basically. Modern macOS being entirely 64-Bit is a lie then.

You're forgetting about the Windows on Windows 64-Bit technology, a 32-Bit compatibility layer for 64-Bit Windows which is essential to run 32-Bit apps. Believe it or not, plenty of apps developed today still use 32-Bit, mainly because the devs don't see the benefit of a 64-Bit version if it not intended to use more than 4GB of RAM.

A few hundred billion, yeah.

I will laugh so hard if Linux will get this problem with their newer 64bit-versions as well...!

MacOS since Catalina cannot run 32 bit code, so Apple already mandates 64 bit. So not as big of an issue there.

MacOS is controlled entirely by Apple, and plays by Apple rules. And Apple developers are required to write 64-bit code, no 32-bit allowed since Catalina, and Catalina onward is not backward compatible by an Apple decision. So this is not as much of an issue on MacOS as with other OS platforms.

Windows isn't Unix-based, but you'll probably have more older, proprietary software on Windows having issues than on Linux. It being called Unix time doesn't make it a Unix problem.

Not necessarily, since Linux is a Unix based operating system. Nobody is safe from Y2K38 because it originated as a Unix 32-Bit time overflow problem.

@@bananatoofat bruh... i'm 16... almost 17... fym?

*you're

Every application accesses system time, regardless if it needs it or not. Applications would malfunction without an internal clock.

How can we fix this? @@user-in3br2qs8x

No. It might crash when you start a single program. Clock will run crazy. Your Windows will through out error, after error after error...etc!

why is that sounds like conspiracy theory@@user-in3br2qs8x

Even then you couldn´t prevent it! I predict another much more dangeorus problem for the year 2025! All computers will stop working. It´s inevitable.

english.

@@mrfoxesite4482 I have the first to not use Linus on my PC

bro this is a legacy app and windows is closed source.

​​@@user-in3br2qs8xMy database just crashed after I set 2038, but I could compile source and Explore files, it just broke my database connection, nothing else.
Probably there is some way to fix it. 🤔

no 32-bit applications will work after 2038! game over. Your ressources will be insufficient.

@@E-dart oh I see

@@navoneelmitra6456 it’s just another term

Y38K means year 38000

Every app needs the time. Without an internal clock, independent applications would cease to function properly.

@@Faizan29353 True, but some apps still use the 32 bit architecture. Although I updated my system and tried this bug, and it's fixed. They finally fixed it.

​@@Faizan29353 32-Bit support is still on Windows 11, just not at the OS level.

Machines around the globe will sop working. Game over. You will begin from zero.

The problems coming in 2025 will be much more deadly though. 2038 is a joke. But in 2025 TESLA e-cars will race against tres. Trains will collide. Planes will crash. Helicopters and even boats will crash. GPS will stop working etc. 100% DEATH

what are the problems tho... and do i have 64 or 32 bits@@phonl1

32-bit Unix time will overflow, causing a lot of problems

@@Lusc1nt wdym? Linux is alredy good for average users

Maybe Linux should become good for an average user so that people want to switch to it instead of it being used by 5% of people? If people are forced to switch then it's for sure ain't that good, ain't it? Linux Evangelists are so funny 😂

So that dates before 1970 could be represented, I would think.

no he did it several times over the past 3yrs, new viewer.

Total Destruction ;) That´s also my game´s name fitting for year 2025, not for 2038! Most of humankind will be dead by 2038!

Huge chaos is coming in 2025.

Microsoft breaks it so you gotta use some bland new worse media player

@@winelectronic101 Well, that´s the "Price" you pay for keeping stuck on 32 bit stone-old applications...Time to buy everything again!

Fancy new 64 bit Bioshock! Lmao! It just crashes 24/7!

While the old 32 bit version runs with 300 fps like it should!

Not exactly, since 64-Bit versions of Windows depend heavily on 32-Bit assets for compatibility reasons.

Because modern hardware has POOR performance...! And when you have only few ressoruces, that´s how you calculate it. You have a timer, which measures seconds. And then you will run out of ressources later.

Older chips had way, way way way more precise timers. Allowing you to run them for...~1000 years without running out of ressources.

w11 uses unix time

@@user-in3br2qs8x fair enough

@@ecogreen123 Not all bugs can be fixed.

@@user-in3br2qs8x theoretically they will come out with bug fixes for things like that before it's an issue, right? or is that too much to ask from large corporations. (honestly i will also laugh lol)

All software will stop working. As they ALL rely on 64 bits today (well most of them). Steam will stop working. Pocket-Calculator might stop working as well (i laugh so hard if this is true xD).

except windows

​@@IamAFK14 As of now 32-Bit applications are still compatible with 64-Bit Windows. But by then 32-Bit apps would be useless.

@@winelectronic101 but my 32bit app is gonna be gone

Technically most 64-Bit operating systems (especially in the context of Windows) are hybrid 32/64bit operating systems because they have 32-Bit compatibility layers, so in a way nobody's really safe.

Dammit, not only is Black Ops 2 'boutta be real in 2025, but also another year number problem that's gonna be dealt with

There is even another IT-problem coming in 2025 allready. lol. 2k38 is far away. It would be a miracle if nobody dies when this happens.

@@user-in3br2qs8x most elf are x86_64 rn

If you use 32bit applications in Linux it will still be affected since these will no longer work. As a 32 bit application doesn´t have a 64bit timer.

bro this is clickbait and he was extremely dumb.

its already 14 years old and is already legacy. in 2026 they should remove it.

Na, Windows XP was even better! But. Windows 7 was best MODERN Windows, correct!

why are you using company laptop? also it's 14yrs away and ik your concern.

It isn't lua

@@xx_gosha_xx That's C++ or C or idk

@@winelectronic101 nah I don't think so, there's really no best replacement to Snipping Tool or Snip and Sketch but the new Media Player already provides best experience than Media Player Legacy. While yes there would be some backlash happening, its not that big of a deal

That could lead to backlash which results in it staying for another 2 decades. They've tried this before with Snipping Tool and it didn't go in their favor.

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year 2038-issue!

mpv has a windows version, though

That's because M$ decided to preload the 32-Bit version of that version on modern Windows instead of the 64-Bit version, which was stupid since by Windows 8 a majority of PCs had a 64-Bit OS.

Windows XP 64-bit Edition or Professional x64 Edition? These are different things. The former is for IA-64 processors and the latter is for x86-64 processors.

Not even 32-bit XP is affected aside from Windows Media Player.

He showed an example of a Windows program having issues in the video. Come on.

Some applications use 32-bit Unix time

@@Lusc1nt there’s many version, the best and most windows-y are Linux mint and Linux fedora

I sure hope Linux becomes better for an average user. Not a good look there for an OS to be good only because its competition has one bug which will be fixed 😂 Maybe Linux should become good for an average user so that people want to switch to it instead of it being used by 5% of people? If people are forced to switch then it's for sure ain't that good, ain't it? Linux Evangelists are so funny 😂

nah.

Unless they follow the rebranding strategy that Fb and Twitter did...

Good luck convincing developers to switch

​ @mikkelsenelvis windows 7 is pretty good functionally but I wouldn't use it connected to the internet. I've never had any visible problems using it before but I hear most of the nasty stuff you can get on windows 7 computers is stuff that you nor your computer can detect. better safe than sorry IMO.

@@XYZB0RG Stay on Windows 7

No

nope. when windows 10 runs out of support, switch to something better like linux

its alright. Not much of an upgrade from 10 though.

no

no

@@Someone-oy2li "You know enderman is Russian right?"
You know I am Russian. Right?

You know enderman is Russian right?

no only your user and just create new user.

Applications that use 32-bit Unix-style time_t are of course affected

Y2K38 doesn't affect Windows itself