Google 'killed/shot/stabbed over parking' and you'll realize just how many lives are destroyed by someone wanting to play parking warden.

@almightyorange in argentina, fast is less than 1:30 hours, no seas pete

@el colito for sure if compared to several areas 19 minutes is fast. when it comes to people that are critically wounded though 19 minutes might be too long. I believe in the U.S they aim for a 5-7 minute response time for the ambulance to get there, and a 20 second response time on the call itself. When it comes to critical situations like these, it gets very difficult to save them if they are not treated by professionals immediately.

@almightyorange 19 minutes is light fast bro, where i live its minimum 30 minutes, and it can arrive in more than 1 hour, yes i live in South America

Got the nerve to park in the handicap and then shove me out of no where. Yea he getting shot unless he was running back!

@Ainsley Oliver 😂 your kidding right? If he minded his own business then this wouldn't have happened he started and he is a wimp with a gun that just murdered someone because they shoved I'm on his arse for talking to their missus the way he was. He deserves to rot in jail forever. You justify his actions because he was "making sure someone wasn't taking advantage of our disabled parks" 😂😂🤦 you can't be that dull. Maybe live your life instead of thinking your above the law.

@Chris M Well at least they'd be parked in the right spot then

People need to mind their mf business, they’re acting like they’re getting paid for the bs. Off duty parking lot warrior.

@Ainsley Oliver while that may be true, i’m failing to see where anyone has the right to take another human beings life over a parking spot. smfh if he cared about doing the right thing he would have taken pictures and reported it, he’s a man on a power trip looking to defend “his” store. pathetic that people are even defending that where is the humanity.

@ciaoneef good god i know. Im way to european to understand some of these people that think shooting means back off.

@Ainsley Oliver if you kill to make sure that doesnt happen then your moral high ground comes crashing down.

@Wize Wolf You're misrepresenting my reply. I'm not justifying what he did, and i already said he deserved to go to prison for a long time because of what he did. I was merely presenting the facts of the video as i saw them. Which is there was more than 1 person who could have changed the outcome of the situation. From my perspective the victim was never in the wrong here, even when i dont agree with his first action being physical, i never said it was wrong either.

The focus of this video is to analyze the situation, not jump to emotional conclusions. This is only speculation of course, if push came to shove i would probably have pushed the guy as well. Hopefully not as a first response, i would hope that i'd have the capacity to try and de-escalate the situation verbally first. If that wouldn't work i'd have to either get physical or enter the car and drive away.

The only point i was trying to get across is we should very rarely turn to violence as a first response.

@piippiz placed behind sandbags, armed with m60's and mortars 😂 cause Merica!

@Seek Wisdom Funny thing is, that's how it works everywhere else in the world. And yet, you guys in the US are the ones with the most police violence.
So how is it helping exactly that everyone is allowed to carry a gun?
Oh right, police are more paranoid, hence why they are more trigger happy than everywhere else.

I dont understand how one is wired to start shit over a parking spot. Those people convince me democracy is actually a shitty idea.

@Unikatze Only cops should have guns, right? Because they are so much more important and responsible

@Sabrason I had a feeling you were trolling, glad i didnt bite lol

@Joel McKnight If the intent is murder then I agree but firing ONE well-placed bullet at center mass is solely meant to stop/neutralize further forward progress and likely bodily harm.  Had Drejka wanted to kill McGlockton he would've emptied the clip.  He demonstrated tremendous control and restraint despite being dazed from the violent push to the ground.

Provokes a confrontation over parking in a handicap spot, <b>WHILE PARKING ILLEGALLY HIMSELF</b> .... height of irony

Provokes a confrontation over parking in a handicap spot, *WHILE PARKING ILLEGALLY HIMSELF* .... height of irony

What ? Why ? Does people searching for starting arguments and love to bring a weapon to shooting people..for a parking spot ???<br>Crazy people !!!

What ? Why ? Does people searching for starting arguments and love to bring a weapon to shooting people..for a parking spot ???
Crazy people !!!

@ARCHITACADEMY I live in The Netherlands, basically only organized crime people have guns here. (Ironically an investigative journalist was actually just shot in broad daylight 2 days ago, but that's super rare.) If I lived in a concealed carry state in the US I'd be scared to get into arguments with people, might just get shwacked for pissing off the wrong old white guy

@Ainsley Oliver by killing them over it? No

@Ainsley Oliver by killing them over it? No

@ciaoneef Where do you live? In the US, these incidents are pretty rare, and aren't a concern to the average person. That being said, my part of the country is very safe.

@Ainsley Oliver lmfaoooo bro this aint the place to be clowning around

@Wize Wolf Whether you believe Michaels story about thinking his life was in danger or not, that doesn't take away the fact that the victim pushed him to the ground. From the footage it did look like the victim was going to give him a beating, but thats just speculation of course, but people do die from getting struck/kicked to the head, so its possible to believe he was scared for his life. The biggest problem with this case, and why Michael deserved his prison sentence i feel is that he didn't even consider the fact of just brandishing his firearm, it looked like his intension was to shoot right away. From the footage we can see the victim is retreating backwards when the firearm was brandished, and the situation should have ended there. I don't personally believe the guy was aiming to kill that person, he shot once and holstered his weapon to wait for police etc. Still though, in this circumstance it was very pre-emptive when you look how he was retreating, and michael lying about the fact and saying he was coming towards him after brandishing.

The fact that it took paramedics 19 minutes to get there is also insane, i suspect that perhaps it took a while before they where called to the scene, cause that response time was really out of this world. With the 1 gsw and a quick response the victims chances would be much better i think, but you never know.

After watching the video it feels like Michael purposefully wanted to shoot the guy once to dominate the situation, probably some revenge in there as well for pushing him to the ground. There are alot of things that could have been done differently to not instigate a fight or even worse the murder. The victim could obviously have had a verbal confrontation back like Michael was doing, and Michael could obviously have stopped and controlled the situation after just brandishing his firearm, there was no need for him to shoot.

@Chris M it was after he was physically assaulted.

@Ainsley Oliver and so it’s okay to shoot someone over a handicapped spot?

@Ryan Laprade I don't watch either but nice try. Keep watching Fox & OAN :)

@David Cisneros even then I can’t get behind cops killing people for handicap spots either wtf lmao I mean yeah it’s rude and inconsiderate but murder is a whole ass other ballgame

@ciaoneef keep watching the bbc and cnn..

@ciaoneef keep watching the bbc and cnn..

The combination of people getting upset over the smallest things, and people having easy access to guns is really scary. The amount of stories like this I've read online, e.g. people getting shot for telling someone to please wear a mask... Glad I don't live in the US

@Ainsley Oliver Nah bro that's the cops job, not yours.

A side effect of laws that let anyone carry a gun and feel like tough guys because of it.

It is our job as citizens to make sure people aren’t taking advantage of the handicapped.

And then our FBI agents will come for us

And then our FBI agents will come for us


If he had just done nothing, or even just drawn his weapon but not fired, he could have sued the guy and lived happily ever after. But he wanted to shoot somebody, so that’s what he did.

It's against the law in FL to pull a gun out or fire a warning shot to "scare" your attacker off. If you pull it out you better be in real danger and ready to pull the trigger.

I don't see it as he could have sued as to my mind he left this victim to feel the need to protect his family and create a safe space away from his family in that car. This wasn't even a reason for him to take it upon himself to play parking cop. The employee of the store could have been the one to deal with that if need be. It's just a ridiculous reason to confront anyone over this, at least up until they see a person needing that space and unable to do so. Senseless.. So many lives forever changed over stupid self inflated ego trips.

Mr. Strawmann my guess is he was embarrassed that he got pushed down so he was after retribution

@Jedidja B Likely assault, he did shove the guy to the ground.


Not his first rodeo. Imagine the guy’s surprise when the fella pulled a gun out


If anyone wants an update : He was sentenced to 20 years in jail.

He was also assaulted in prison by another inmate because of what he did.

@Cleborp <br>He’s not my grandfather and my grandfather is not stupid enough to threaten a 20-30 some year old man’s family for a property he doesn’t own.  If he gets pushed, I’ll feel sorry for him, but he got what was coming.  Which was literally just a push.

@Cleborp
He’s not my grandfather and my grandfather is not stupid enough to threaten a 20-30 some year old man’s family for a property he doesn’t own.  If he gets pushed, I’ll feel sorry for him, but he got what was coming.  Which was literally just a push.

@Cleborp <br>Do you know what murder is?  Both happened, but by no means does a light shove justfiy getting shot

@Cleborp
Do you know what murder is?  Both happened, but by no means does a light shove justfiy getting shot

@Cleborp What's confusing you here. I responding to your comment.  You wrote "People steal houses blah blah blah." I'm asking what you're talking about? How would anyone steal a house?

@Cleborp he was harassing them well before he got pushed down. it was a push as well and the man had no weapon, yet he shot the man dead in front of his wife and kid. how the hell are you gonna say that’s justified? it’s not self defense if you threatened them first.

@Cleborp you’re the one that said he ( the shooter) could have had adrenaline pumping. Justifying it. But I’m in no mood to go back and forth with stupid. Have a good one

@Cleborp if my 50 year old grandpa was being a jackass, aggressively harassing (it stated at the start of the video that there was a loud argument) a lone woman (as far as he knew at that point) for parking in a disabled spot without a permit, when there are clearly other places to park too, then yeah I wouldn't be surprised if her husband stepped up on him!

He also didn't engage in an argument with the male, he drew the power he'd bought himself on his hip, and fired without warning or clarifying the situation. He instigated the confrontation knowing he had a trump card on his hip. A man lost his life, a woman her husband and kids their dad because someone was a bit upset that a disabled parking spot was taken and a male Karen with a side arm took the law into his own hands. Ridiculous.

He could have reported the unauthorized parking to staff inside, or called the authorities himself. Instead he took responsibility because he knew he could end an altercation immediately and behaved irresponsibly. I'm writing this 32 mins in. It'd be interesting to know if he knew what the outcome would be at the end, when he first started his beef regarding the lack of a placard, whether he would still have started that argument. I'm going to assume he would and still be proud of it

@FFS baggebo for a 50 year old man getting his ass knocked to the ground? The gun was necessary, killing was not

@Jahi Gibbs I think you all have trouble with what the law is. If I argue and someone hits me then yes they will be breaking the law.

Hey everyone don’t trip. @cleborp is the type to start a fight, get beat up and call the cops. Or start a fight in hopes too use his firearm. He is set in his logic. For now

@Andrew Lopez just saying it was self defense. Killing was unnecessary

@cleborp take a ccw class learn something

@Cleborp how does one shoot someone in the chest and “not mean to go for a kill shot”

@Cogs of Cogitation so you’re 50 year old grandpa gets shoved to the ground would you think it’s ok if he shot to defend himself he was probably scared and dazed . Adrenaline pumping

@Crystal Nobles That's fair, but would you shoot the person if they started to leave the house? Would you fire a warning shot? If you were alone would you try to leave the house before resorting to a possible kill scenario? Ultimately this isn't really about stand your ground laws anyways, it's just about at what point is it okay to kill someone? In this video's scenario, assault shouldn't be a basis for killing.

@Cleborp Stand your ground laws are highly contentious and limited to certain states. Once more being scared doesn't make it suddenly okay to shoot an unarmed person, the level of violence he used was far greater than what was necessary. He didn't even give a warning shot first, he went straight for the center of mass, with a full 2 seconds to evualate things. The guy wanted to take out his anger, not to defend himself.

@Jared Price disagree with some of your points. Ya he approached but at a safe distance and technically they shouldn’t have parked there, then he gets assaulted . Again the question is if he wanted the kill shot or not

@Cleborp I think the whole problem is that he actually wanted to go for the kill shot. He opened carried for years, probably just waiting for the golden opportunity. But the biggest point of all was that he initiated the whole altercation. You don’t go harassing a woman out in public and not expect her husband to defend her. I’d understand better if they were the ones harassing him, but still, even then it’s not justified. No one in their right mind would feel like their life is in serious danger at that point. They’re in public and the man is visibly unarmed.

@Cleborp You're high dude. The guy had used his gun multiple times as a leverage in heated arguments. The guy was fucking power tripping. A guy like that is not safe to have out on the streets at all. He shot to kill, not shot to defend.

@Cogs of Cogitation some laws you can kill if they are robbing. He still got assaulted, I think a scared 50 year old who didn’t mean to go for the kill shot didn’t deserve 20 years . Yes still killed even though the guy was backing away but still

@Cleborp  IMO defending private property isn't justification to kill someone, you can get your TV back but that person can never get their life back. Likewise getting pushed to the ground isn't good enough reason to shoot someone. It really wasn't like his life was in danger here over a small altercation, he had no reason to fire.

Did we all forget he was assaulted? People steal houses and get shot and that’s justified

Ahh ok thank you for the update! onto the next vid/case 🙂

How do you know this I'm impressed your able to keep tabs on people. How u do that lol also u look cute in ur pfp. Lol chill just compliments 🐱 🔥

@The Galactic Emperor haha no. But the inmate hit him with a padlock inside of a sock. He required several stitches afterwards.


This is a great lesson to anyone that carries. Don't be like this guy.

@Keith Then that'd definitely land you assault and battery charges. If beating is involved then it's likely to go into the aggravated assault category.

Most men would shove someone to the ground for berating their wife and kids.  true story.

@Jocco Second amendment is not for hunting

I'm 110% for the 2nd amendment, I have 7 guns and working on getting another.. But people like this is what makes me worry about armed citizens going out like what happened in Kenosha (not here to argue whether or not it was justified.) My point is there are a lot of unstable people out there that have guns and that may not be an issue if they're just hunters but once they start putting on ballistic vests and patrolling like they're in Iraq, some bad shit is bound to ensue. I'm afraid we'll start seeing a lot more shootings related to armed citizens walking around if something doesn't change in our country on both sides of the problem.

Vixenthefox The vast majority of people that get killed by guns here is by illegal gun owners. Nobody here is like this guy. And when a government tries to take your freedom away, our weapons is how we provent it. Western world? Lol almost every modern western society has some sort of gun laws allowing ownership legally except south america and man thats where illegal guns and murder rule. So what are you talking about?

@VixenTheFox What bold words you have to say about Americans, I wonder what nation you are from but however let's give you a history lesson, before we proceed answer the simple question why does the US have the second amendment?


I was praying he won't ask for a lawyer. Like a good soldier he (imagines he) is, he didn't let me down.

Haha, I will admit, these videos motivate me to ALWAYS get a Lawyer!😂


Wow, that man recovered from his injuries right on camera. Amazing


<b>Michael gets pushed</b> : "So there I was on the battlefield..."

*Michael gets pushed* : "So there I was on the battlefield..."

@dre.flacko I'm uncomfortable with the energy in the reply section

@The Man With No Name The problem, how did they assume it was a man, in the first place? was it via his actions which associated with how men like “them” act, since the commenter is ambiguous.

Why is nobody mentioning the fact that the victim parked in a handicap spot?
Listen, I'm not justifying him being shot but I hate arrogant people who just think they can do anything they want - with an "IDGAF" attitude, such as parking in a disabled parking spot when they're not disabled. These types of people are scumbags.
He did not deserve to be shot over this but unfortunately, he crossed somebody who was a little more arrogant than him that day and paid the consequences.
Sorry but both the suspect and the victim can kiss my ***

A push from a grown man on pavement can easily end up with someone dead. This isn't kids on a playground, two adult men putting hands on each other can get deadly real quick. That's why you don't want to get into situations like this. Bad decisions all around.

@The Man With No Name well it’s not really odd if you think about it...most of the time when men do that it does come off as creepy with weird intentions however it can come from both men and women

@Lisa W aight that's fair. It just seemed like it was the realization that it was a man that suddenly made everyone attack him.

@The Man With No Name  It was sweet and wholesome whether it came from a man or woman. But I backed off after he put his instagram up there. A compliment is absolutely fine and I appreciated it, but trying to take it outside of youtube is where I backed out, that applies to females as well.

@Lisa W this is exactly that. When you thought he was a woman, you thought it was sweet and wholesome. But when you realize it was a man, suddenly everyone started attacking him. Like I said before, I feel the same way, men complimenting strangers online (especially women) is creepy and weird. But nothing changed with his statements, they're the same posts as before, but now that you know they're from a man, it's simp shit. lol

@The Man With No Name I completely agree. Society gives free passes to women where a man would not get one. But I wouldnt compare this situation to that.

woman complimenting strangers is sweet and wholesome, but men complementing strangers is pervy and simping. I'm not even disagreeing, I just find it odd. we truly do live in a society. lol

@Dre Flacko smh. why are you simping in chat on a murder interrogation breakdown video.

@Kember Walkin thank you for keeping YouTube comment sections unsafe

@Kember Walkin why did I think you were a girl? I was trying to do the whole woman empowerment thing

The ptsd of the time he tripped over a pebble kicked in lol


why does this guy’s lawyer sound like he’s giving a middle school persuasive essay presentation rather than a closing statement thing

I think its because the guy who shot alrewdy ruined it for himself in the interogation and the lawyer was grasping for any small thing that could help

His manner of speaking is just like Donald trump’s.

He is the worst lawyer I've seen. I'm glad though.

“So in conclusion, my guy was literally the good guy and the other guy was literally the bad guy, no cap.”

@MJubeily other dude sounds like ben shapiro

The Evidence and Drejka's own testimony make a brutal case against him on their own, especially on the relatively low bar that is the charge of manslaughter.<br>The only hope Drejka had was to desperately pull on the jurors heartstrings, so that's what defense did.

The Evidence and Drejka's own testimony make a brutal case against him on their own, especially on the relatively low bar that is the charge of manslaughter.
The only hope Drejka had was to desperately pull on the jurors heartstrings, so that's what defense did.

Because he's incompetent.  There are a dozen times during that prosecutor's monologue on "Beyond a reasonable doubt" that any reasonable lawyer would have objected to.  That man was misrepresenting a fundamental piece of our legal system and nobody called him on it.

Because he's trying so hard to find any small proof of his innocence. So he's nitpicking every small detail he can find.


"Did you serve?"<br>"Affirmative, officer. 12 years, hallway monitor."

"Did you serve?"
"Affirmative, officer. 12 years, hallway monitor."

@Aura1337 you’re talking about Dwight lol

All the 'affirmative' and 'negative, sir' he said was so cringe knowing he doesn't even come from that background. He's probably one of those dudes who wears tacticool gear to go target shooting in the woods.


Bulls it I bet the guy who it shot was a criminal


Don't assault people. Also don't agree with confrontation when not necessary. Pointless. Call the cops if you're concerned. An unjustified shooting though. Could've drawn and ordered him back but it's easy to play back seat quarterback. Get trained if you're going to carry, have Legal Shield and don't say a word until your attorney is present. Your bias is showing.


Dead giveaway when he says "i was trying to neutralize" - not only is he adopting police jargon to seem at kin with the cops, this statement in itself obviates the fact that he did not see the level of force necessary to avoid serious harm as equivalent to the use of a deadly force.. he has dug his own grave with that statement.


Don't like the prosecutors example, thunder smell of rain and lightning, then you wake up to water everywhere means rain. If I wake up and there is water everywhere, I'm going to immediately assume that a water pipe broke in my house, since I don't sleep outside. Fire pit out by helicopter with bucket meaning no sun tomorrow? Depends on how bad the fire is and the forecast for the weather. Awful examples. Doesn't mean I think defendant is innocent, just the prosecutor didn't drive his examples the way he thinks he did.


I personally think that he delusion himself into thinking that it was a self-defense. At that moment, the victim was probably the first one to actually "engage" a fight while he's carrying a gun. When he was pushed and felt threatened he probably have the thought "oh I was pushed and if I don't do something he will try more than that". He pulled his gun out and the victim move away, he registered that hence he hesitated but his reasoning made him think of "Its fine to shoot him now because it's self-defense" and that is most likely because he had fantasize or dream of the moment where he can finally use his gun. As it was said that he did like waving his gun around.<br>He was consumed by his delusion that he fired the gun thinking that he can escape the consequences as he believed of it as self-defense.. But then again, it was just my opinion.

I personally think that he delusion himself into thinking that it was a self-defense. At that moment, the victim was probably the first one to actually "engage" a fight while he's carrying a gun. When he was pushed and felt threatened he probably have the thought "oh I was pushed and if I don't do something he will try more than that". He pulled his gun out and the victim move away, he registered that hence he hesitated but his reasoning made him think of "Its fine to shoot him now because it's self-defense" and that is most likely because he had fantasize or dream of the moment where he can finally use his gun. As it was said that he did like waving his gun around.
He was consumed by his delusion that he fired the gun thinking that he can escape the consequences as he believed of it as self-defense.. But then again, it was just my opinion.

I think this kinda makes sense if you consider two things:
First, It’s hard to find good ccw self defense shooting statistics, BUT I’ve heard that an average number of rounds fired is between 5-6 in an citizen shooting.
Second, he fired only once.

When he thought about it he fired his first shot because like you said he thought he could blow some poor guy who was mad about his lady getting harassed then realized he probably shouldn’t have shot him and didn’t fire a second shot. A big thing for ccw consideration is how many rounds were fired and how “necessary” rounds were fired to essentially save you from whatever threat. Say an individual runs away or drives away after trying to car jack you and you keep shooting as they drive down the street the police are gonna be pretty upset about that. Knowing this, he probably shouldn’t have shot that man and that he wasn’t in any real danger he only fired once and instantly regretted it instead of trying to fire off more rounds.


This is so painful to watch. This guy thinks his actions are 100% justified. Clearly a little prejudice mixed with a long term hero complex.

@Toob247 Toob247

Here's a bright idea: What if he just walked away. When the wife asked him why it was his business, walk away. When she got out of the car, walk away. When someone pushed him but backed up as soon as he pulled out the gun, walk away. This wasn't an inevitable situation and he was the instigator.

id say the prejudiced was justified considering the guy immediately pushed him to the ground with out saying a word.


Dude was acting like he was a rockstar being interviewed

I mean the cops already had to be called on him in 4 separate road rage incidents in 10 years, 3 allegedly involving the guns he claimed to always carry with him since he was 22. Also: “Two involved allegations of Drejka showing a gun. In another, a trooper accused him of aggressive driving and cited him after a crash when Drejka braked hard in front of a woman driving with two children.”

@Niebo I have to say HOLY SHIT he looks and sounds like a white supremacist when he's in prison 37:00

@pain uchiha english is not my national language

@Niebo No one is gonna feed that, but nice try mate

@Hunter Nichols The coward are the one who pushed him. Pretending to be disabled parked on site for people with disabilities. He got a bullet for being a dodger. A dozen years ago they would have considered it self-defense but now the law is strong for the weak and weak for the strong.

@Niebo even if, hypothetically, it was a justified self defense shooting, he is far from a hero. Even if it is a justified self defense shooting, he is a slow in the brain coward for shooting a man FATALLY, who was not a threat after pushing him down.

Sky, he didn't think he did anything wrong. He thought that because he had a gun permit, it was his store, he could do what he liked.

He was looking for an argument, not just this time, but 4 other times.

Sky, he didn't think he did anything wrong. He thought that because he had a gun permit, it was *his* store, he could do what he liked.

He was looking for an argument, not just this time, but 4 other times.

@casual listener You say what the media tells you and shows you

@Rene Silva It was I...and I'll do it again, too.

liked it then took it back to keep it at an excellent number

I bet the cops loved how much of a talker he was.

That was the moment of his life.<br>He's famous, now.

That was the moment of his life.
He's famous, now.


He was so crushed when the detectives told him they didn't know what "force multiplier" was. Lmao he was sooo sure he knew the cop lingo.

The shooter got that phrase from the YouTube channel “Active Self Protection”.


if he didn't put hands on him... he wouldn't of got shot.


His actions weren't justified but if you ever draw a weapon you train to shoot center mass, which is why you should NEVER draw unless you intend to kill. Shooting in the leg is movie b.s.


Drejka: "He took a step towards me, so I fired"
CCTV: clearly shows victim backing off when Drejka draws his gun

Drejka: "He took a step towards me, so I fired"
CCTV: *clearly shows victim backing off when Drejka draws his gun*

@JF LOVECRAFT what would you beat me up for it and prove me right?

@JF LOVECRAFT what would you beat me up for it and prove me right?

@JF LOVECRAFT Id probably still insult you in person too. What do I have to lose from it?

@JF LOVECRAFT Id probably still insult you in person too. What do I have to lose from it?

@NJSmashBros says the guy who’s clearly only comfortable throwing insults like that over YouTube

@NJSmashBros says the guy who’s clearly only comfortable throwing insults like that over YouTube

@Andre Kebala hahahahaha yeah something like that

@Andre Kebala hahahahaha yeah something like that

@awesome sauce hahahaha man idk bout you but i think that shoving is definitely a prove of intent as agressive reaction and thereby giving the shooter an opportunity to use his power and still his hunger for might so i think that that guy would not have shot anyone if he didnt feel like he was in the right.

@JF LOVECRAFT What do you not get?Starting a physical altercation over a verbal one is NOT CALLED FOR. Look where that gets you. Adults can’t just go around assaulting people who tick them off, it gets you arrested, and sometimes, hurt, clearly. That has been spelt out in front of you in this video and by me and you just don’t seem to care. Despite the horrible results of the behavior you support being shown to you, you’d still act like assaulting people over a verbal argument is acceptable behavior. DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO?

@NJSmashBros If you consider yourself a reasonable person, would you shoot someone because they pushed away from his family because YOU were yelling at them? It’s a yes or no question.

@NJSmashBros If you consider yourself a reasonable person, would you shoot someone because they pushed away from his family because YOU were yelling at them? It’s a yes or no question.

@JF LOVECRAFT He played a part in his own death. Had he not assaulted that guy for no good reason, he wouldn’t have gotten shot, but had that other guy NOT SHOT HIM, then he’d also still be alive. Shared blame for sure, but one guy is guilty of assault and dead, and the other is guilty of murder and alive.

@NotRelatedByBlood Nope. Especially considering the context of your situation was an elementary school quarrel. I don’t know why I need to explain the difference between the two situations and how that analogy doesn’t work. I also don’t know why I need to explain that I’m not defending his actions, because I’ve already stated that he was in the wrong. They were both in the wrong. It’s a given that the shooter is wrong in this situation, but I was explaining that he wasn’t shot FOR shoving him, but because of what that sudden turn to violence could have been leading to. The fact that he pulled out his gun is fine, the fact that he shot him after they had stepped away is the problem. I called out the “shot for shoving” thing because it rings the same bell as “shot for sleeping” or “shot for jogging down the wrong road”, where people conveniently skip one huge part of the confrontation that resulted in someone’s death for the sake of their narrative. So I wanted to explain the obvious that he wasn’t shot FOR shoving.

@JF LOVECRAFT No, what I am saying  is the black man was wrong to shove the white man. The white man was wrong to shoot the black man. One wrong thing doesnt make another wrong thing automatically right.

@JF LOVECRAFT No, what I am saying  is the black man was wrong to shove the white man. The white man was wrong to shoot the black man. One wrong thing doesnt make another wrong thing automatically right.

@Byronic 09 there’s no reason to say “I don’t think he deserved what he got” (which means you’re saying he’s the clear victim in the situation) then turn around and say he’s the reason he got shot. It can’t be both. He either caused his own death or he didn’t.

@Byronic 09 there’s no reason to say “I don’t think he deserved what he got” (which means you’re saying he’s the clear victim in the situation) then turn around and say he’s the reason he got shot. It can’t be both. He either caused his own death or he didn’t.

@Soleilune Yes. He should not have been violent. Because shouting is not the same as actually getting physical. He could have killed the angry white guy. The white guy had no assaulted his girlfriend. The problem with some people is that they become physical. Under no circumstances should you assault another person unless it's in self defense. Here Drejka was not assaulting anyone. Now Drejka should not have shot the guy, for sure, but the incident would not have occurred if common decency and common sense was applied. US is a country full of guns and aggro people. You don't push people around. You de-escalate. You get in your car and you drive off. Be the more mature person. Don't be a child who was wrong anyway because it was a handicapped bay anyhow.

@Douglas Moore I wouldn't shot someone if I was pushed... I think it s normal not to shoot someone and take a life so easy

@Douglas Moore I wouldn't shot someone if I was pushed... I think it s normal not to shoot someone and take a life so easy

@JF LOVECRAFT The wife and children were in the car and in NO danger at all. Just because your gf has an argument with someone, doesnt give you the right to use violence. The man was not showing physical aggression. He went straight to the man and without a word shoved him heavy. I am not saying he deserved what he got, because clearly that is not the case.

Ion trust people that dap with the left hand

Ion trust people that dap with the left hand

@Yung Tux I got shoved in elementary school once does that justify me going on a John Wick adventure to assassinate him because he practiced the weakest piece of violence against me?

@Yung Tux I got shoved in elementary school once does that justify me going on a John Wick adventure to assassinate him because he practiced the weakest piece of violence against me?

@James Franksain ok my man idk if your being serious here and yes i have been assaulted and i literally just talked about his posture and body language so idk chief

@James Franksain ok my man idk if your being serious here and yes i have been assaulted and i literally just talked about his posture and body language so idk chief

@Adrian Gorus  I see. So you're not taking into account the volume of the altercation or his posture and body language. Or maybe you've just never been assaulted before so you don't know what threatening behavior looks like outside of a movie. If that is the case, I am truly happy for you with zero sarcasm. It is not a pleasant experience. <br>As for the 'mugging' analogy; You said in an earlier comment something about guessing that next time you see some guys "yelling some meanies" at your friends you should WWE slam them on the hood of your car and attributed that to my argument. I don't believe you have the moral high ground here when it comes to artistic license.

@Adrian Gorus  I see. So you're not taking into account the volume of the altercation or his posture and body language. Or maybe you've just never been assaulted before so you don't know what threatening behavior looks like outside of a movie. If that is the case, I am truly happy for you with zero sarcasm. It is not a pleasant experience.
As for the 'mugging' analogy; You said in an earlier comment something about guessing that next time you see some guys "yelling some meanies" at your friends you should WWE slam them on the hood of your car and attributed that to my argument. I don't believe you have the moral high ground here when it comes to artistic license.

@Soleilune it started when he parked in the handicap stop. Then she should have just ignored the guy and driven off

@Soleilune it started when he parked in the handicap stop. Then she should have just ignored the guy and driven off

@JF LOVECRAFT Are we seriously pretending like I’m defending this guy? I know he’s guilty, and I know he deserves to be guilty. That’s not what we’re talking about anymore. What we’re talking about is the, frankly disturbing, fact that you can watch a video showing what can happen when you needlessly escalate a verbal altercation to a physical level, and still actively defend that behavior. This is why you lack self awareness. This mindset you’re supporting contributed to his death that day, and you think that needlessly starting fights has anything to do with being a man. Ignorance.

@JF LOVECRAFT ok chief... and you might just get shot if you behave like that dude did... i mean ask him on how it turned out for him

@JF LOVECRAFT ok chief... and you might just get shot if you behave like that dude did... i mean ask him on how it turned out for him

@James Franksain and also wtf he is not mugging him that example does not really fit

@James Franksain and also wtf he is not mugging him that example does not really fit

@James Franksain his posture and body language dont seem aggressive threatening in any way and thats where i draw my conclusion from

@James Franksain his posture and body language dont seem aggressive threatening in any way and thats where i draw my conclusion from

@Adrian Gorus here's the thing: I don't buy your argument. I don't even think you really do. It's nonsense. You're arguing that a strange man yelling into a car containing a woman and children and behaving erratically isn't threatening. Like. I don't even understand the thought process that would lead you to that conclusion. If a strange man started yelling into my vehicle I would feel threatened. More so if I wasn't in my vehicle but my wife and/or kid(s) were. In this case, you have a man yelling into a vehicle and behaving erratically; he is already engaged in a conflict. "Just walking up and talking to him" is bad judgment as you are ceding the advantage of surprise against an assailant of unknown strength but known agression. Basically, on that point, you're arguing that you shouldn't kick a guy mugging you in the testes because it's not sporting.

@Yung Tux bro yes it is. In a situation that’s obvious as fuck, every possible mindset possibly discussed already, dude was still determined guilty. He clearly was the aggressor, he clearly only felt compelled to say something because he knew he kill somebody, and dude was clearly backing away long enough for him to realize he didn’t need to shoot.

@JF LOVECRAFT Nope. I explained the potential mindset of the shooter, and why it can be much more complicated than “shooting him because he was pushed.” I never once even implied that I shared the same mindset myself. And there’s no fighting that needs to happen at all. What is it with this “being a man” bullshit? The most mature thing you can do is not get into a fight over stupid shit. You’re just repeatedly projecting the same mindset that got him killed onto me. Just, don’t do what he did. As you can clearly see, it can lead to a fatally escalated situation in the blink of an eye. All you have to do is get your family and leave.

@JF LOVECRAFT And if you would, don’t assume I’d shoot someone in this stupid situation without actually having something to quote me on that would insinuate that. Me explaining the potential mindset of the shooter is not grounds for assuming I’d do the same.

@JF LOVECRAFT And if you would, don’t assume I’d shoot someone in this stupid situation without actually having something to quote me on that would insinuate that. Me explaining the potential mindset of the shooter is not grounds for assuming I’d do the same.

@JF LOVECRAFT Why his skin color is something you even consider on the justification a assaulting him is odd to me. How do you not get it? YOUR MINDSET is the SAME MINDSET he had, and turning to violence over a verbal altercation to “prove that you’re tough” is so unbelievably stupid. Dude, everyone either gets bullied or gets shit talked at some point in their life. Only hot headed people with poor self control and a childish mindset like “I’m tough I’ll show you” physically assault people over heated words. Grow up.

@Adrian Gorus you’ll never have a wife if that’s how you act when it’s to defend her from some unknown man.

@Adrian Gorus you’ll never have a wife if that’s how you act when it’s to defend her from some unknown man.

@Yung Tux what you’re saying is that YOU would shoot someone, because they pushed you away from their family.

@Yung Tux what you’re saying is that YOU would shoot someone, because they pushed you away from their family.

@James Franksain lmao idek what your on but no violence is not broadly acceptable just because someone is standing there arguing. I dont see the immediate threat to any of the surrounding people. Following your logic the shooter was in imminent danger even though the „victim“ was walking away, ehich he wasnt. A person merely being and talking loudly is not a direct threat, only if you escalate which the „victim“ did

@Adrian Gorus yea, you kinda can. You are allowed to take action to defend yourself or others from a percieved threat. You put the victim on trial in this case and charge him with assault, you aren't going to get a conviction especially once the assailant's past record starts coming out. The victim's judgment of the assailant being a threat was absolutely borne out by both the events and the record of the assailant.

and people think its a good idea that everyone should be armed then there would be less shootings. Obviously they dont know the amount of people who own a gun just waiting for the slightest chance to use it

and people think its a good idea that everyone should be armed then there would be less shootings. Obviously they dont know the amount of people who own a gun just waiting for the slightest chance to use it

@No Name bro what? I was just asking why they were parked there in the first place. I don’t care that they’re black

@No Name bro what? I was just asking why they were parked there in the first place. I don’t care that they’re black

@Soleilune Both guys were being stupid AF, but if the other guy didn't push him on the ground none of this would have happened. All he had to do was talk to him like a normal person, if he didn't leave it alone then just move the damn car or leave it and he can call the cops if he wants to.

Man I'm just ~39% drunk, maybe more than I was ever before, I don't drink a lot, just once a month vine as I do now, I can tell you I would pull a gun out because I don't like to fight and probably would lose fight even in sober state, but still would think in this drunk state should I pull a Trigger even on a person who is holding gun pointed a me. He got what he deserved.

@Adrian Gorus an assumption? It's a statement. Any reasonable person would have reason to believe the threat exists and, as the tragedy that followed indicates, they were correct in that belief. This situation just shows that, if you believe your life or the lives of your loved ones is imperiled and you are in the assailant's blindspot, don't shove; disable them and eliminate them as a threat because you never know how far the assailant is willing to go.

@James Franksain mabe because the gf/partner had the balls to open the door and try to step out idk didnt seem that hostile. And idk bout you but i feel like the part with the threat is an assumption on your side

@James Franksain mabe because the gf/partner had the balls to open the door and try to step out idk didnt seem that hostile. And idk bout you but i feel like the part with the threat is an assumption on your side

@Jooyeon Kim why is it that the only people entitled to the self-defense defense in your mind are the ones that succeed in killing the other person?

@Jooyeon Kim why is it that the only people entitled to the self-defense defense in your mind are the ones that succeed in killing the other person?

@Adrian Gorus THAT is how a normal human would behave. If I walk into a situation where my wife and children are being threatened by a stranger, I am taking defensive measures. That's the thing; the victim had the right to the self-defense defense as he had reason to believe he or his family were in danger of serious bodily harm or death. If you walked out of a store to see a stranger behaving erratically and threatening towards your family, why would you not believe they were in danger?

@Soleilune "He was taking pictures of the car, buddy." As he should have as a proof for police.

@Soleilune "He was taking pictures of the car, buddy." As he should have as a proof for police.

@Soleilune
"So, he should have just let the dude harass his girlfriend and kids while taking pictures of their car?" So his girlfriend should park in handicapped place, and he shouldn't take pictures for police, to not offend their feelings?
She was clearly the instigator (assuming her idea, not her partners).  And this argument was going on for a while, without any sign of her moving the esteemed car.

Sorry, that logic with someone taking back 0,5 or 2 steps shouldn't be takien into considaration. He is probably getting distance to hit/kick you with more force, run towards you to stomp on you, or there is something in the distance that can be used as a weapon against you. Pushing someone on the ground means that that person takes into account other hitting his head or breaking something. I would immiedietly treat this as an assault on my person.

@TheVanBourner the other stuff you said in the response was just added on later to better support a loose statement

@TheVanBourner the other stuff you said in the response was just added on later to better support a loose statement

@TheVanBourner you never drew a clear line you only said that both the reactions were over the top

@TheVanBourner you never drew a clear line you only said that both the reactions were over the top

@Douglas Moore At the point Drejka fired, his life was not in jeopardy as his assailant was backing away and was unarmed and made no sort of verbal threat.

@Douglas Moore At the point Drejka fired, his life was not in jeopardy as his assailant was backing away and was unarmed and made no sort of verbal threat.

@jeremy ok ok so you just assumed my race mister... but besides that kinda racist thing i just wanna let you know that you should read before crying around because if you did then you would know that i am not justifying the shooter but im saying that the „victim“ is also at fault big time for escalating e verbal argument to a physical one... i dont know why you are so keen on glorifying anyone who gets shot

@Adrian Gorus why should the victim be the one to be “civilized?” Was the murderer civilized when he was harassing the victim’s family? NO! So he did what he had to do to defend his family. If you say he should’ve been the bigger person and talked calmly to a stranger YELLING to a woman and her kids then you should REALLY take a step back and rethink if that approach is based on your privilege as a white person, or just one that lacks critical thinking skills.

@ShietCard and I am not disputing that. My point is that Markeis' reaction was also over the top. But Markeis did not go ahead to kick the shit out of Drejka, he backed off when he saw himself that he may have hurt the man and situation is already in his eyes defused. Drejka on the other hand pulled out the gun when the situation was already defused and ended up shooting.

There's a clear line I am drawing - I am not defending Drejka. I am just saying that Markeis' reaction to the situation was wrong. It's the perfect example of two wrongs not making right. Both reacted wrong to the situation, except Drejka's "force multiplier" multiplied his wrong reaction above and beyond where it was necessary. That's why his actions that he deemed a self-defense are not valid. But I am pretty sure the situation would have ended up differently if instead of sucker punching a skin and bone piece of shit he initiated with "man get the fuck outta here" . Drejka was bound to kill someone with his demeanor and history of threatening people with his gun. But Markeis' actions were not justified either. If (and that is a big IF) Drejka had no intend on using his gun or had none - Markeis would be charged with assault. He'd go to jail and have legal trouble for what? Over-reacting to his wife being told not to park in handicapped spot?

My point is the situation was being defused by violence despite not needing any violence to be defused at all (by both parties). It was verbal altrecation that was escalated by Markeis and from Markeis' PoV defused at the same time. From Drejka's PoV he felt like his training at Gravy Seals finally paid off. He could have just holstered the weapon after Markeis took three steps back. There was enough time even for a person in shock to make that decision. For a person that is not ready or willing to kill that is. The correct course of action Drejka should have made would be to get up after noticing Markeis backed off, call the police and describe that he was just assaulted. That's what any reasonable person with pet peeves about handicapped signs would really do in the situation after the attacker is going back when "force multiplier" is introduced (in fact Markeis seems to be pulling back even before a gun is shown at all).

I am not fine with people shooting others for whatever reason. But are you seriously all fine with people pushing others like that? What if instead of Drejka there was an off-duty cop? What if after being pushed he splits his head open and gets internal bleeding to brain? Like you can get some serious injuries from being pushed over like that. Do you guys seriously consider Markeis' reaction to be justified? Is "defending your wife" who is clearly in the wrong (I mean why even park in handicapped spot especially when there are bunch of other spots next to it) and barely verbally attacked justifiable for you to make the move and push someone from behind? In my eyes Markeis' action was wrong. Not on the same level as Drejka's or anywhere near it. But still wrong. Drejka seems like the kind of guy that if a guy couple inches and few dozen pounds of muscle larger than him tells him "get fucked loser" that truly shits himself. But Markeis gave him his fantasy on a silver platter. He wanted to kill someone for a long time, it can be seen from the interview that he himself was in the "finally I could 'defend' myself" fantasy. If Drejka was kicking the car or posed any obvious physical danger towards Markeis' wife and children before the gun was pulled then I would say yep, Markeis' action to sucker punch him was justified and on the level of the threat. But it wasn't.

@Soleilune it doesn’t matter who started it or who the two people were, unless the actions in the past directly correlate to the current case, all that matters is that Drejka shot someone who was walking away and clearly was not reaching for a gun.

@Soleilune it doesn’t matter who started it or who the two people were, unless the actions in the past directly correlate to the current case, all that matters is that Drejka shot someone who was walking away and clearly was not reaching for a gun.

@TheVanBourner but Drejka went way across the line yes the altercation should not have gotten to that point but drejka shot someone who was walking away. My grammar sucks so just bear with me.

@TheVanBourner but Drejka went way across the line yes the altercation should not have gotten to that point but drejka shot someone who was walking away. My grammar sucks so just bear with me.

@Jaja Raguini Physically assaulting someone over a verbal altercation is the definition of uncalled for. You don’t do that shit. Be mature about things and actively seek to de escalate.

@Jaja Raguini Physically assaulting someone over a verbal altercation is the definition of uncalled for. You don’t do that shit. Be mature about things and actively seek to de escalate.

@Soleilune there's a significant number of the population that fantasizes about "legally" murdering people. Thrills of the murder, but none of the consequences of it. Whatever it be jail or live as a fugitive, none of that and just remain living a middle-class life. After murdering someone, plus being treated a hero for that.

@virginia exactly, the victim has a family. His wife and children were all in the car and a man just popped out nowhere and suddenly started yelling at them, ofcourse you're instinct is to protect them. I dont get why they keep saying that the shoving was uncalled for, clearly they dont understand what it means to have a family of their own. The other guy should've just punch or matched the victim's intial response but since this other guy has always been assertive on every chance he gets to use his gun, coz this gun violence already happened 4 times prior to this. He also admitted that when approached the vehicle he knows there could probably an altercation but he was prideful coz he had his stupid gun.

@E its not a no no, if the guy was defending himself. The guy shouldnt of walked up to the car, but he did, the black guy shouldnt of pushed him on the ground, but he did. Drejka wasnt attacking the car or the women inside so there was no reason for the black guy to get physically agressive. Drejka made a split second decision to save his life, in the heat of the moment i think everyone wouldnt done what Drejka did. And Drejka only dischared his weapon once, after the attacker was "neutralized", Drejka had no reason to shoot again. Most people wouldve shot multiple times until the attacker fell to the ground

he wanted revenge because he got shoved and was unprepared to defend himself otherwise. he didn't have instincts and self defense skills, just the ability to harass. he was overly obnoxious in the first place (actual police officers will start out polite and don't become defensive unless they suspect bodily threat-and yes they might overreact because they are trained to protect themselves and other officers' lives as a priority. they become irate, aggressive as well to intimidate someone who is a possible life threat). he might not have gotten shoved so hard. he thought it commendable he cared she was in that spot without a placard. he ended up doing something far worse. the father and child planned to be in there just a few minutes. if a disabled person needed the space, she would have been able to accommodate them right away.

@Bojidar Stanchev I didn't say that shooting is the correct response. I said that pushing someone over like that is also over-reaction and needlessly escalates situation. Simple as that.

@Bojidar Stanchev I didn't say that shooting is the correct response. I said that pushing someone over like that is also over-reaction and needlessly escalates situation. Simple as that.

@Adrian Gorus I agree this No Name guy does not understanding what you're saying at all. You may as well be speaking to a wall. Everybody in this situation is an idiot. Doesn't mean the guy deserved to die, literally noone said that.

@Adrian Gorus I agree this No Name guy does not understanding what you're saying at all. You may as well be speaking to a wall. Everybody in this situation is an idiot. Doesn't mean the guy deserved to die, literally noone said that.

@Douglas Moore Disparity of force. Using lethal force to protect oneself from an attacker that fails to display ability, opportunity, and intent to inflict death or grave bodily injury, is a no no.

@Douglas Moore Disparity of force. Using lethal force to protect oneself from an attacker that fails to display ability, opportunity, and intent to inflict death or grave bodily injury, is a no no.

@Adrian Gorus I would just ingore this No Name dude. It's one of those people that doesn't see things from multiple perspectives. If someone dies, I guess that person to him/her was a pure angel that didn't do anything wrong.

@Adrian Gorus I would just ingore this No Name dude. It's one of those people that doesn't see things from multiple perspectives. If someone dies, I guess that person to him/her was a pure angel that didn't do anything wrong.

@No Name Look I understand your point but just because he is the victim doesn't mean what he did was the right thing. Noone should shove anyone into the ground. Adrian is right on that point. I don't know why you get so worked up on a comment that is common sense. The killer def deserves for what he did, but the victim also shouldn't have retaliated in violent manner unless he was being physically threatened which he wasn't.

@No Name no it was stated that they were yelling at each other. No one knows for sure who of them started the yelling.

@No Name no it was stated that they were yelling at each other. No one knows for sure who of them started the yelling.

It's very different to see that CCTV in slowmotion versus in realtime after you got hit by a truck.

It's very different to see that CCTV in slowmotion versus in realtime after you got hit by a truck.

The suspect. Not the victim, the suspect died that day and the victim was protecting himself

The suspect. Not the victim, the suspect died that day and the victim was protecting himself

@Jack _ Clearly, it must just be because they're black, right? That's the reason you want it to be, I'm guessing.

@Jack _ Clearly, it must just be because they're black, right? That's the reason you want it to be, I'm guessing.

@No Name im confused... why was the black family in the handicapped spot?

@No Name im confused... why was the black family in the handicapped spot?

@Adrian Gorus Lol... Dude... It was literally IN the video that he was yelling very loud for over a minute, to the point that it could be heard from the inside of the store... Stop being intentionally ignorant

@Adrian Gorus Lol... Dude... It was literally IN the video that he was yelling very loud for over a minute, to the point that it could be heard from the inside of the store... Stop being intentionally ignorant

@No Name ??? Idk man you seem kinda obnoxious... the guy came up behind him and shoved him pretty hard without any declaration of intent or something... and also since when can you see sound because idk bout you but i feel like the video does not seem to have audio

@No Name ??? Idk man you seem kinda obnoxious... the guy came up behind him and shoved him pretty hard without any declaration of intent or something... and also since when can you see sound because idk bout you but i feel like the video does not seem to have audio

@No Name and the guy who got shot is at fault because he escalated it and gave the shooter a possibility or rather an opportunity to use his power where the shooter thinks he is justified to shoot so he does. If the shooter is scared of consequences he wouldnt do it but in his mind he just got assaulted which he did and saw the chance to shoot him so he did

@Adrian Gorus It wasn't out of the blue, bro. The guy was literally yelling at the top of his lungs towards his gf and kids. Like, this is VERY obvious.

@Adrian Gorus It wasn't out of the blue, bro. The guy was literally yelling at the top of his lungs towards his gf and kids. Like, this is VERY obvious.

@No Name i literally said twice that i dont justify what the shooter did... but im  saying the guy who shoved him was also at fault because no shoving people out of the blue is not justified... violence is not the solution to a verbal argument.

@No Name i literally said twice that i dont justify what the shooter did... but im  saying the guy who shoved him was also at fault because no shoving people out of the blue is not justified... violence is not the solution to a verbal argument.

they manipulated the video. FYI  He was justified in his head, as he thought he was coming back, as did i when i first watched the video. It was only when i re watched it, in slow motion, i see what we all see.  this is sad, but how our minds work, again, he was not lying, its what he really believes and saw, and in the splits second, so will you in that situation. MAKE AN EXPERIEMNT, WITH A FAKE GUN, AND KEEP GETTING RANDOM PEOPLE WITH A FAKE ATTCKER, AND SEE WHO PULLS TRIGGER, AND WHAT THE VIDEO SHOWS, TO THERE TESTIMONY, BEFORE WATCHING IT.  I BET YOU WIL NOT LIKE THE RESULTS.  THIS MAN  SHOULD GET  TIMED SERVED, AND MUCH NEED THEROPY. HE WA VIOLENTLY PUSHED AND ATTCKED TO THE GROUND WITH MANY MORE VERBEL THRATS OF HARM, HE IS THE VICTIM AND STILL IS.

@No Name and btw im not saying the shooter was innocent because he definitely was not in imminent danger ANYMORE but the guy who got shot definitely escalated it to a level of physical violence and he was not a hero protecting his gf and kids like you depict him as.

@No Name and btw im not saying the shooter was innocent because he definitely was not in imminent danger ANYMORE but the guy who got shot definitely escalated it to a level of physical violence and he was not a hero protecting his gf and kids like you depict him as.

@No Name he got shot for assaulting him... why do you guys magically forget that it was escalated by the guy who got shot... like cmon i know you can think of an better argument

@No Name he got shot for assaulting him... why do you guys magically forget that it was escalated by the guy who got shot... like cmon i know you can think of an better argument

@TheVanBourner thats what i meaan. Im Not glorifying the shooter but jesus christ why provocate a fight by instantly escalating to violence. Its called being civilized about something and that dude surely wasnt

@TheVanBourner thats what i meaan. Im Not glorifying the shooter but jesus christ why provocate a fight by instantly escalating to violence. Its called being civilized about something and that dude surely wasnt

@No Name im not saying that he doesn’t deserve it because he definitely does but the guy that got shot was about as stupid as he was... imo both were at fault big time and the one who did it got rightously punished

@No Name im not saying that he doesn’t deserve it because he definitely does but the guy that got shot was about as stupid as he was... imo both were at fault big time and the one who did it got rightously punished

@Adrian Gorus The guy went to prison like he deserved. Cry about it.

@Adrian Gorus The guy went to prison like he deserved. Cry about it.

@Soleilune how about you listen to it... he says that is what he usually does with people who park on a reserved parking spot... look at the surveillance it literally shows how he walks around and then proceeds to argue when he gets hit

@Soleilune how about you listen to it... he says that is what he usually does with people who park on a reserved parking spot... look at the surveillance it literally shows how he walks around and then proceeds to argue when he gets hit

@Adrian Gorus How about listening to what he himself admitted to in the video. 😂😂😂

He was taking pictures of the car, buddy.

@Adrian Gorus How about listening to what he himself admitted to in the video. 😂😂😂

He was taking pictures of the car, buddy.

@Soleilune he couldve stepped in like a normal human being and not start assaulting people🙃 as civilized people we should talk and not shove/hit... and tbh i didnt see him taking pictures either

@Soleilune he couldve stepped in like a normal human being and not start assaulting people🙃 as civilized people we should talk and not shove/hit... and tbh i didnt see him taking pictures either

@Adrian Gorus So, he should have just let the dude harass his girlfriend and kids while taking pictures of their car? He was clearly the instigator. Can't really avoid being shot by him when he's the one pointlessly starting it, expecting you to just stand there and take it.

@Adrian Gorus yeah pushing someone over like that... I mean getting shot is not something you should expect but imagine if the guy was an off-duty cop. That's an arrest for assault. The victim was not very bright either. I've seen a person get pushed over like that, hitting their head on the concrete and going to coma (this was at school and it was way less powerful push). I had concussion from similar event, but I was drunk and got pushed for seemingly hitting on someone else's girl. My sister had her collarbone broken from being pushed like that. Like serious injuries can happen from being pushed over... yet he went out and with no context yeets the guy. I am niot justifying Drejka, just saying that both sides over-reacted to the situation.

He wanted to shoot someone so bad. Every day, he was just waiting for an opportunity.

He wanted to shoot someone so bad. Every day, he was just waiting for an opportunity.


Sad that there are people defending this man. Did you hear him? In regards to people “being in that spot” and “waiting on somebody” he has a “pet peeve about it,” this man left his house and decided to be the handicap parking spot hero for the day, acting as judge jury and executioner to fulfill that role. It’s honestly sickening. Imagine being killed because this guy had a “pet peeve” about where you were parked. It’s scary, and if the guy hadn’t come out of the store when he did, I fear those babies would have been without a mother instead or even in addition. My heart hurts for this family. This guy is delusional.

@Hannah where do you live if getting pushed to the ground by total strangers is a common occurrance?

this comments good and all but i enjoy the name

@Nahala Stone I completely agree with your assessment of Drejka. I would go further and argue that any adult should understand that there exists Drejkas out in the world, that there are disempowered people just waiting for an opportunity to feel powerful. What I’m saying is that McGlockton escalated conflict with Drejka into physical assault in incredibly foolish manner. Why open yourself up to an assault charge, or worse, give a stranger any reason to return the use of force on you? Of course we should protect your loved ones, but a shouting match out in public is no cause to physically exert yourself on someone. McGlockton was understandably angry, but using physical force to intimidate submission from a stranger is foolish, foolish, foolish. Just tell the bastard to fuck off and leave, right?

@Kyle Guzzardo one of the tenets of conceal carry is to attempt to avoid confrontation to begin with because you DO have a weapon and you DON'T want to actually use it. This guy has spent the last 25 years of his life just hoping for the opportunity to shoot someone. If he was truly a responsible firearm owner he would have minded his own business when it came to ridiculous nit picky stuff like handicap parking spots at "his gas station".

@Kyle Guzzardo I dunno. Some weirdo circling you car with wife and kids inside? As a parent, I'd get pretty defensive too. Was it right he got shoved? No. But what did this jackwagon expect? He was looking for trouble. He already had complaints regarding road rage and threatening people with his gun. He wanted a fight so he could use it on someone and finally feel like a big man. Guy is as transparent as a ghost. He's a poster child for why not everyone should be allowed to carry.

@Kyle Guzzardo when someone threatens your wife and kids, especially some creepy old dude, you step in and try to force any kind of conflict onto you so that your family is safe. especially as the argument already seemed heated. you dont have time to reflect your life choices and think about the possibility of some lunatic immediatly gunning you down

I can’t speak for anyone defending Michael and I believe his conviction is probably justified, however, I have a hard time feeling bad for the man who pushed him, and for that reason feel a bit conflicted about this case. Think about it, if you go about life with a policy of physically imposing yourself onto people, especially complete strangers, you’re asking for a comeuppance. Think about how different this would have looked if Michael was an intimidating and physically imposing young man. Certainly, the victim would have considered a different route of action in confronting the situation nonviolently. However, Drejka isn’t any of those things, and when McGlockton escalated the situation to a level totally disproportionate to the threat present,  he invited upon himself a retribution in kind. Drejka isn’t right in what he did at all, but anybody who goes through life with the same policy for physical escalation as McGlockton demonstrated should be prepared for when they run into triggerhappy nutjob.


It actually bothers me that if he had a lawyer and the lawyer told him exactly what to say to get off, that he most likely would've gotten off. That's messed up.

I agree with your point, however, I would bet that he wouldnt have gotten off scott-free, but likely could have gotten a lesser charge. Remember, it is better for us, the pleebs, to allow 100 guilty people free than falsely imprison 1 innocent person.

AGREE! I can’t stop thinking about that either.


People walking around thinking they're G.I Joe, roleplaying as law enforcement lol. The way he was using certain phrases as if he was apart of the force. What a waste of atoms this guy is.


And that ladies and gentlemen, is why I will never move to the U.S.


I could SEE how someone could make a case for being legitimately scared of significant bodily harm after being pushed from a sizeable dude like that and then him lifting his shirt waistband the way he did. But Michael waited enough time after pulling out his pistol to see the other guy wasn't about to keep being aggressive, then decided "you know what, I want to shoot this man for pushing me to the ground" which is NOT okay.

@Terrestrial Creature Broskin……sarcasm…..he was aggressive near her and her children though

@Terrestrial Creature Broskin……sarcasm…..he was aggressive near her and her children though

@Nicole VintagePigeon Bruh that wouldn’t have solved anything

@Nicole VintagePigeon Bruh that wouldn’t have solved anything

@Terrestrial Creature EXACTLY there were so many chances to avoid this situation,the only one i feel sorry for is the poor kid who had to watch his father die

@Kyle G He was yelling at the couple and harassing them. He wasn't just "speaking" to the wife. He instigated the whole thing--and was happy to because he figured that he could just claim self-defense is anybody took exception to his bull$hit.

@Terrestrial Creature You seem to be suggesting the three things are comparable when they are anything but.

@Terrestrial Creature You seem to be suggesting the three things are comparable when they are anything but.

@Milktube You are not very observant, are you? Innocent stranger? The shooter started the whole thing, dude. He harassed the couple. There was nothing "innocent" about him--just the opposite. Pay attention to facts.

Yeah maybe if he had shot a second or a second thirty before he did I would believe he was justified. This is just because 2.3 seconds (or whatever it was) in my opinion was enough to realize he was backing off. This going off of the footage of course

@Terrestrial Creature Finally. This is the correct take.

@Terrestrial Creature Finally. This is the correct take.

I’ve had worse injuries from tripping over my own feet than this guy had from being shoved

I’ve had worse injuries from tripping over my own feet than this guy had from being shoved

@ICryAllDayAllNight I never said he feared for his life, hell I said that he should be punished for killing a man so don't project. We don't know what was going on in his head, maybe he felt that fear and maybe he didn't. He looked like the type who'd think he was "weak" if he admitted that he was afraid so I don't really put much weight in his words. Don't act like your statement wasn't made to minimise assault, because it clearly was and in doing so you are trying to argue that the guy who died was innocent, which he wasn't. That being said, two wrongs don't make a right. This is just a situation that could have very easily been resolved had a single mature adult been involved instead it's just a bunch of children and lunatics.

@Oxydino i don't think the guy should've shoved him? You're arguing that its reasonable for the dude to fear for his life because people die from getting shoved. Which is an incredibly dumb argument.

"I just love how because one guy pulled a gun, we must justify the other one using violence" ... I honestly have no idea what you're talking about dude. Should the guy have shoved him? No. Is it reasonable to fear for your life if someone shoves you, ESPECIALLY if you already have a gun on you? No. Dunno why you're getting so worked up about this

@Oxydino oh Jesus christ. You can accidentally die if someone bumps into you, and you fall and hit your head on something. The likelihood of something like that happening is extremely rare

@ObiWAANKenobi 44 another man intimidating and yelling at his wife and children? Idk, can't really blame the dude for shoving him

This is the only reply that actually gets to the core of the issue.

I don't understand how some people interpreted this as him shooting someone over parking on a disabled parking lot—it's about him shooting after it was clear that he wasn't in any imminent danger after firing.

I'd say he was justified in and up to getting mad at someone for parking on a disabled parking lot illegally, and pulling a gun (in America) when assaulted from another unknown assailant. But, then pausing after his assailant stops his attack and backs off after seeing the gun, and THEN shooting after he has had time to deliberate is the crime.

@James Trail  @James Trail    "Evil is destroying evil", "Putting his family in jeopardy by parking". You guys need to stop with the victim blaming and grow a pair of brain cells. Hint: You don't deserve death for parking in a handicap parking for a couple of mins. It being brief doesn't justify breaking the law but it's far from warranting death. And no laws were not made for law breakers, they are <b>*made to keep order*</b> . Even so they are human made and they have flaws. There are plenty of non aggressive ways to resolve the situation and I guarantee you if a kid is tough enough to pick himself after getting hurt in the playground, it doesn't take much to suck up your pride. He clearly suffered no injuries from it while shooting a human dead was justified. The worst part of it all is that if he had a lawyer before speaking he probably would have gotten away with it too

@James Trail  @James Trail    "Evil is destroying evil", "Putting his family in jeopardy by parking". You guys need to stop with the victim blaming and grow a pair of brain cells. Hint: You don't deserve death for parking in a handicap parking for a couple of mins. It being brief doesn't justify breaking the law but it's far from warranting death. And no laws were not made for law breakers, they are **made to keep order** . Even so they are human made and they have flaws. There are plenty of non aggressive ways to resolve the situation and I guarantee you if a kid is tough enough to pick himself after getting hurt in the playground, it doesn't take much to suck up your pride. He clearly suffered no injuries from it while shooting a human dead was justified. The worst part of it all is that if he had a lawyer before speaking he probably would have gotten away with it too

You know, the laws were made for the law breakers. The guy should not have put his family in jeopardy and park where he would be legal. And when  confronted even knowing he was in violation of the law would not accept reprimand and chose to push the guy. None of it's pretty. It's a case where evil is destroying evil. When do you start commending what's right?

@Josie Kosch No, it's not. If you engage with someone physically it's pure chance whether they die or not. As mentioned above I have witnessed firsthand someone die from a single punch. He shouldn't have shot him as he had started to pull away but it could very easily have been reversed roles.

Yeah there is a solid case to be made the response was somewhat reasonable if not for the fact the camera caught that the guy was pulling away. As someone who's been in quote a few fights things can go south really quick. I have seen a guy be killed from a single punch when I was 15. If he had continued the killing would have been regrettable but could have been justified. But as soon as he started backing away the gun did it's job and that should have been the end of it.

@Didace Matthews  No I don’t, he should have minded his own business. However, once the guy came out of the store and escalated the situation it was a game on.  There is no doubt in my mind that had he not shot him he would have done serious damage to him. What was he supposed to do, lay on his back and wait for this obviously bigger and clearly violent (already established) individual to pounce on him? You cant possible out yourself in that mans shoes who no doubt feared for his life.  When you put your hands on someone there is no telling what will happen. Play stupid games get stupid prizes.

@Miadolph72 73 So you a think walking up to someone and starting a argument over a parking spot is reasonable? Especially if it's not affecting you directly at all. You think it's the guys fault who died? Are you serious?! The man who fired his weapon hand done that sort of thing 4 times prior and he isn't in the wrong at all? You disgust me...you ideology is screwed and you need help.

@The Mudpit tf if I see a man yelling at my wife and kids I’d push him too

@The Mudpit tf if I see a man yelling at my wife and kids I’d push him too

@Oxydino what a long way to say “what if”

I mean shit Batman if you want to get into what if’s... what if drejka didn’t confront people over parking spaces with a gun in his pocket?

But regardless battery doesn’t equal murder, good luck with that argument in court bud

@Joel McKnight Doesn't matter how "hard" the push is, if you fall and fall wrong you can fucking die. Someone can punch you and if you are caught off guard and fall smashing your skull into the concrete you can die right there and then. This guy was pushed from behind so he certainly wasn't guarding against a sudden force and shouldn't have shot but simply called the police and waited, even so being rude and yelling at people is just that, being rude. We don't live in the fucking stone age and you don't have the right to physically assault someone because they're rude. He wasn't kicking or scratching at their car, he wasn't beating the shit out of his wife and kids, this guy came out of the store and his first reaction was not to tell the rude guy to back off and leave them alone but immediately launch into a physical confrontation. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. I can't imagine living in the U.S. where there are far more guns than people and just attacking someone who is being aggressive with no thought given that they just might be this way because they have a gun.

@ann Early  And seeing daddy pushing a man over isn't going to scare the kids worse? That poor Dad should have got in the car and left, but ultimately he was the victim here, even if his actions weren't ideal, he didn't deserve a bullet. Poor kids.

@Mira .45 He did defend himself by pulling the gun. The guy retreats, he shoots him anyway. Thats not self defense.

And don't be berating someones family if you don't want an altercation. Mind your own fucking business and you wouldn't be in prison and a man wouldn't be dead and his family ruined.

@Mira .45 did you watch the video? JCS even points out several times that Drejkas own testimony points out that he didn’t believe eh was actually in fear of his own life, he exited the scene with a SORE shoulder and arm. Didn’t even break.

I just don’t see how you can say it “hard. Really hard” it was a shove. It looks different to different people but the facts are facts. Drejkas own words, and the injuries he sustained combined with the fact the victim actually stepped away before being shot means drejka is simply a murderer.

Having a gun doesn’t mean you can shoot people because they’re mean to you. Even if they commit battery, you still don’t get to murder them outright.

@Kyle G "committing a crime"? she was in the handicapped parking space, not shooting up the store.

@Kyle G "committing a crime"? she was in the handicapped parking space, not shooting up the store.

Its a tricky situation... Honestly this case is fascinating. Removing the personality of this case and the emotions... I am really 50 50 on this one.

He was shoved hard... Really hard, adrenaline kicks in... Shoved from the back too. Id have drawn too, and probably shot too.

The difference is I wouldnt be causing drama like a meathead.

@Kyle G I’m not sure where you’re going with this tbh given your previous comment but suffice to say dude deserved more time for this murder

@Joel McKnight He was parked illegally also? I didn't know that..but that doesn't make any real difference because two wrongs don't make a right.

@Kyle G actually Michael was also parked illegally which is fucking ironic. He was confronting people with a gun in his pocket over illegal parking while parking illegally himself lmao

@Josie Koch Do you believe that its a completely normal reaction to attack a person for yelling at your wife while she is currently committing a crime?

@ann Early You realize that its not against the law to talk loudly to another person right? So he didn't do anything wrong there, they were the ones actually breaking the law which is why he confronted them.

@ann Early You shouldn't push someone simply because they're yelling.

@ann Early You shouldn't push someone simply because they're yelling.

@Milktube nice troll. Either that or you're delusional.

@Milktube nice troll. Either that or you're delusional.

@Kyle G Um, he was yelling at his wife and the kids. I agree that the push was maybe not helpful, but it's understandable that a dad wants to protect his wife and kids.

@Kyle G He pushed him because small children were in the car and he see’s someone yelling at them. Maybe scary them. Since Mike initiated the fight, he also told the cops that he wasn’t scared because he brings a gun. Which means he put himself in situations where he may have to use a gun to get out of it

@Josie Koch I would agree if he was not attacked first. The man attacked him for simply speaking with his wife.

@Josie Koch I would agree if he was not attacked first. The man attacked him for simply speaking with his wife.

@Itz Deer Everyone here was wrong. They shouldn’t have parked there, he shouldn’t have pushed, the man shouldn’t have shot.

It is okay actually. That savage guy isn't going to be pushing innocent strangers to the ground ever again. Imagine how many people have head injuries, brain damage, or are unable to walk again etc. because of the violent rage from a guy that attacks people who are simply talking to other people.

@Kyle G idk 30 years sounds about right. That kind of rage plus a firearm is dangerous to have running around out there.

Agreed. The full 30 years would be a bit harsh but he definitely should do some time.

Agreed. The full 30 years would be a bit harsh but he definitely should do some time.

This is exactly it. You can tell he thought about it, then decided he should shoot him. I think the Jury got it right.

This is exactly it. You can tell he thought about it, then decided he should shoot him. I think the Jury got it right.


Dam so basically got killed for using the wrong parking spot


Judge: “How do you plead?”

Mike: “Negative”

Im weak 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Im weak 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


>gets mad at a family for parking in handicapped spot<br>>illegally parks to confront them

>gets mad at a family for parking in handicapped spot
>illegally parks to confront them

LOL cause those two things are deifnitely the same 🤣

@Fluffy Pancakes substantial amount of trolling today


None of it would have happened in the first place if the guy hadn't been parked in a handicap space with no right to do so. They had no reason to be parked in a handicap parking space.


The scariest person out there. Someone looking for trouble with a gun holstered. Tries to sound militant which makes him extremely dangerous.

@War Dog you can keep that sorry. I'm not hurt over a random dude on the internet being a racist. I'm unsurprised.

@War Dog annnnd there it is. thanks for making your bias crystal clear

@War Dog ??? drejka pulled out his gun WHILE he was on the ground, meaning after he was shoved. drejka was never holding the gun while he was still harassing the woman in the car. and what do you mean "if he had backed away he wouldn't be anywhere near the gunman"? he shoved him, meaning space was created between the two of them. he was clearly about to approach him again, drejka pulled out his gun, and then he took steps back, like i originally wrote. or maybe you're just seeing what you want to see. do you need me to timestamp all of this? there is literal footage in case you forgot??
you're either confusing this footage with another incident or just making up an excuse for drejka to shoot a man outside a 7-11 over a handicap parking space. ridiculous.

@War Dog ??? drejka pulled out his gun WHILE he was on the ground, meaning *after* he was shoved. drejka was never holding the gun while he was still harassing the woman in the car. and what do you mean "if he had backed away he wouldn't be anywhere near the gunman"? he shoved him, meaning space was created between the two of them. he was clearly about to approach him again, drejka pulled out his gun, and then he took steps back, like i originally wrote. or maybe you're just seeing what you want to see. do you need me to timestamp all of this? there is literal footage in case you forgot??
you're either confusing this footage with another incident or just making up an excuse for drejka to shoot a man outside a 7-11 over a handicap parking space. ridiculous.

@War Dog did you... not watch this video? the deceased shoved this guy and he fell on the ground. he pulled out his gun and aimed it, and the deceased took steps back, starting to turn away. and then this guy shot.

that's running at someone?

@War Dog a jury of his peers disagree with you. Have a seat

War Dog that’s not what the jury thought. Self defense when the guy is walking backwards. That guy was waiting to do that to someone and he picked on the women because he’s a coward. Again he’s the last person who should own a gun.

@War Dog yeah, so justified he's serving 20 years. in THE stand your ground state 🙄

Yeah cause When i think military i think grenades.

Ew I know someone like that. They have a complex. "Dare to disrespect me?!" Type of controlling issues

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I'd honestly have a lot more respect for this man if he just said "i panicked because I was pushed, I wasn't thinking straight and shot first asked questions later." But instead he had to make a bunch of stuff up. <br>This guy was cocky and angry and just looking for an excuse to use his weapons, imo.

I'd honestly have a lot more respect for this man if he just said "i panicked because I was pushed, I wasn't thinking straight and shot first asked questions later." But instead he had to make a bunch of stuff up.
This guy was cocky and angry and just looking for an excuse to use his weapons, imo.

@Robert Slusher I've gotten hit quite hard in my youth, and been hit quite hard later in life.  Theres absolutely no comparison between a 12 year old playing football, expecting to be hit, and a middle age man blindsided and hit hard enough to throw him several feet.   When I was twelve I used to jump out of trees quite high in the air, and just last week I tore my knee up walking into a table.  Older bodies are more frail.   If this guy didnt get the wind knocked out of him and become momentarily disoriented I'd be suprised, because that is the norm for these kinds of violent assaults.  Nobody in this scenario did the right thing, from the illegal parking, to the stupid arguement, battery that prompted the shooting.

@Robert Slusher well yea at 11 you're healing faster, your fall isn't as high, you have better reflexes to catch yourself and prevent serious harm <br>but I still agree the shooting was unjustified, even still the victim is at fault of his own aswell

@Robert Slusher well yea at 11 you're healing faster, your fall isn't as high, you have better reflexes to catch yourself and prevent serious harm
but I still agree the shooting was unjustified, even still the victim is at fault of his own aswell

@Don Quasebarth lmfao at "knocked senseless". I've been hit harder in pee wee football when I was 11 and I wasn't "knocked senseless". He had a full 2 seconds prior to pulling the trigger on a man backing away (read de-escalating). Seems like he though through his actions.

This is one of the best responses on this page.  I followed this case from the day it happened, and the shooting itself was pretty textbook self defense, it was the shooters actions before the shooting, and the way he responded after the shooting that got him thrown in jail.  That said, shoving a man to the ground like that is capable of causing death or serious bodily injury, and had the guy that got shot continued his attack in any way, the shooter would have been completely justified.  Dude panicked, like most of us would, and was likely knocked senseless in the initial attack, he should have just admitted it instead of pretending to be Capt swat commander.


Fun fact: on average, it takes a person under stress roughly 1 second to process a changing situation and form a response to it. This guy took more than double that time. He thought about it, decided he had a case for self-defense, and went for the kill.

@Autumn May ah man im sorry to hear that. And yeah i agree no matter what the argument, its important respect on another's opinion

@Bizness man Fair point, I think it's always up for debate, thanks for being civil about it all. Even though we have different views. I've been called racist more than once over this... because if you have an opinion someone disagrees with you're a terrible human now I guess

@Autumn May well even then he explicitly goes to out of his way to specify his condition to be a little dazed even when he wasn't asked im not saying your wrong but with him saying that he's implying the the pain was not enough to impair his judgement

@Bizness man He didnt feel it at the time because of the adrenaline flush to block out the pain, because that's what the body does. I'm just saying that that probably had an effect on his thinking. Even pain aside I don't personally see this man as the type to be able to fully asses a situation and correct his decision accordingly in 2.5 seconds, especially after being physically assaulted just before

@Autumn May that pain argument isn't very powerful if you go back to around 18:40 he talks about how hard the shive was. But around that same time he says he felt non of it.
Edit: He also specifies that he was only slightly dazed and not very dazed.

@nat Also, yes, pain does affect alot. Your brain flushes your system with adrenaline to help with the pain so you dont feel it as immediately, that can also affect vision and thinking. Its dumb to think pain simply didnt factor into the equation

@nat I simply don't believe someone with this low of brain capacity could jump back and forth and decide he could win a lawsuit before trying to kill, considering he didnt seem to know if his bullet even hit and wanted to know what happened. If he was trying to kill I doubt he'd shoot once, then assume he did it, he doesnt even seem like someone out for bloodlust. I think he fell down, misguidedly thought the man was stepping towards him and shot. We can all have our opinions but I dont believe he could logic out the situation in 2.5 seconds

@Autumn May  ‘the average human’ has nothing to do with being in someone’s prime. Being 46 does not mean your brain functions twice as slowly as the average. That would also suggest that you believe the ‘average human’ is someone in their twenties or thirties. And that the study which results were referred to only used people in this age range in the study. Which doesn’t make any sense. Secondly, adrenaline flush happens in stressed quickly changing situations, which is exactly what was mentioned. Falling onto concrete does in no way change your bain’s capability to asses situations and form responses. The devil has enough advocates, please don’t try to discredit when your argument is so easily torn to shreds by common logic

@Autumn May Well, it still is one hell of a stretch to say his judgement was clouded because he hurt his wrist, let alone compare it with skating.

@Near pod Wtf lmao, me saying that landing on your wrist on concrete fuckin hurts makes me a racist? I'm just talking from experience since I've skated for 3 years. Maybe don't call people racist as your first argument because they say that landing on a hard surface hurts lol

Keep in mind, he's 46 and so his brain probably processes slower than someone in their prime, also the pain from landing on concrete would've caused an adrenaline flood and would've clouded his thinking more

I think he might've went back and forth inside his mind at that time. First he drew the gun with the intention to shoot, then he thought about how he'd get charged for doing so, knowing that what he's doing is wrong, but then he realized he has an opportunity to kill someone and get away with it, since he can plead self defense, to then later brag about to friends. I hate his guts.


"Someone stepped on my foot"
"What happened next?"
"I carpet bombed the area. 21 foot rule"

@Jintaro Kensei and i agree with that.. but also.. arguing verbally is not the same as getting pushed to the ground.. he could have broken his arm.. and the guy was ready to do more... it sucks that the guys was stupid not to realize he was backing away... but we cant downplay how aggressive the victim was... if u have a much stronger and younger guy coming to fight u.. then its not really a fair fight.. so it is fair that he needed a weapon to defend him self.. its just stupid and wrong. that he took the decision to fire when he was backing away.

@N V the point is that getting punched is not the same as getting killed. Equivalent force rules are in effect when you have the upper hand. Restraint, willpower and discipline are required, things this guy clearly lacks.

Stop downplaying what the victim did.. if he didnt have a gun it was getting worse for him.. he pulled up his shorts before seeing a gun which is an offensive stance taken before taking a fight..he was untrained to hzndle such situation and and pressure blurred his thinking and fired when he shouldnt have

@AusDenBergen ehhh not really since stepping on someone's toe is as threatening as someone walking back from you when you have a gun on them.

@Ahmed Hussain 21 feet is roughly thr distance an attacker with a knife can close the distance before a person can react draw and fire. Outside 21 feet the gun wins, inside 21 feet the knife (when gun is holstered) can win

Isn't that the Vietnam war in a nutshell?

"Someone argue with my wife about wrong parking"
"What happened next?"
"I dont try to argue like a human being, and i brutally push this 50yo man on the ground"
"What happened next?"
"I thought i was the strongest alpha male, but no dice, he had a piece"

Omg it's 3:37 am, I shouldn't be laughing this hard right now lol

"Force multiplier" this guy speaks weird.

@Zeroshiki I always carry a tactical nuke in my pocket for such occasions.

Lmao fucking leveled the entire city because someone scuffed my shoe.

Here you go : https://youtu.be/pMl3_cz05Jo

@AusDenBergen I've had people try to stomp my foot intentionally. I'd argue that it may be more painful than being pushed onto a flat concrete parking lot.

@Jintaro Kensei it was just a false equivalency is all

Stepping on someone's toe is unintentional.


The guy views the police officers as equals and friends rather than superiors who are trying to send him to jail. But lol I’m grateful because this really fucked his case over

@Shnood typing emojis and mocking someone isn’t going to help push this argument. You need to be able to realize how that can trap and ensnare innocent people into coming across as guilty for a crime they didn’t commit

@Shnood getting a confession from innocent people is literally counterintuitive to the system

That's what police officers do.  Civilians aren't allowed to lie to police but police are completely allowed to lie which really leads to scummy behavior.  Furthermore, they are really focused on elevating their careers so they don't care about ensnaring innocent people.  Then, you mix their intelligence and things like the blue line, you really get a screwed up justice system.


If he wasnt breaking the law, illegally parking in a handicapped space and unlawfully assaulted him he would still be alive today. Unfortunate the man he assaulted was likely a racist looking for a reason to kill a black man. But regardless it all started with him being a jerk. Sad story all around, except for the part where this guy spends his life where he belongs, in prison.


This is for the forensics girls. Are you single?