He should have lost his gun rights after he drew his weapon in four other road rage incidences.

He should have lost his gun rights after he drew his weapon in four other road rage incidences.

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@Love Pet 🪶<br>We the people will protect ourselves

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We the people will protect ourselves

@Hannah<br>If that would have been you he had shoved down hard to the ground your outlook would be totally different

@Hannah
If that would have been you he had shoved down hard to the ground your outlook would be totally different

@Hagen Re guns are only a force amplifier also use per capita numbers not absolute ones
I disagree guns should be hard to acquire but not illegal
To be fair we have more arson and other violent crime

@Michael B "well, not for "no" reason; he did assault him. "

He defended his wife. If he really assaulted Drejka then Drejka would definately not have a change  pull out a gun, he'd be on the ground bleeding from a gaping headwound as he was getting kicked in the face.

@TURD BURGLAR The only reason why the US government isn't taking away firearm ownership rights is because of money. The NRA funds politicians. No government would ever be afraid of those millions of firearm-wielding individuals because a crowd with rifles an army does not make. Actually that's the reason why the National Guard exists: They've got tanks, fighter aircraft, leadership, the whole lot. No amount of individuals with rifles can challenge that. And that's why the "liberty" argument albeit true when it was conceived, doesn't stand any more. It was destroyed the moment the National Guard (let alone the Army and the Marines who would also intervene in a generalized uprising)  got tanks, artillery and fighters. They would just pulverise everyone and step on their corpses to get to the rest.

@Ronald Raygun I know, it was likely already addressed later on. I was responding to something that Mr. Turd wrote early on that caught my attention.  I didn't scroll through all of the comments to see if anyone had already replied to his statement.

@TURD BURGLAR  uh, just no.  Nothing about this says, 'white people cannot protect themselves if someone who's black attacks them.' This is about going 0 to 100 in a moment.. using deadly force when none was called for.  Not protection.  Someone shoves you to the ground (over a confrontation that <i>you</i> started, no less) and your reaction is to shoot them?  Fear of getting beat up shouldn't justify using a device that kills easily.

@TURD BURGLAR  uh, just no.  Nothing about this says, 'white people cannot protect themselves if someone who's black attacks them.' This is about going 0 to 100 in a moment.. using deadly force when none was called for.  Not protection.  Someone shoves you to the ground (over a confrontation that _you_ started, no less) and your reaction is to shoot them?  Fear of getting beat up shouldn't justify using a device that kills easily.

Right.. I think it might not be right to start trying to mess with you. But since I know you work out, now, you might find out you enjoy a good ol fight.

@TURD BURGLAR that's what I've always learned. Act responsibly, until someone acts irrationally towards you, then behave 100 times more irrational.
 Smart leaders with a gift for coming up with solutions can influence the attitude of a whole damn bunch of people. I'm a Republican, fairly conservative, and I don't see things the way a whole hell of a bunch of the left does. But they all are my countrymen. That has to carry some weight with the American people. Just the balls to sit down and see if anything can be worked on or solved can have a big effect on people willingness to compromise.
Or we can fight until it's a war.
But your promise to come at folks 100 times more viscous is not very scary.
Probably a better chance you'd start crying to your mama if things ever got as horrible as a war.

@handsomesmartass.. completely disarming us is probably not going to work. But I am in favor of a closer assessment of the gun owner. If you don't have the capacity to have great respect for guns, and aren't interested in spending time learning how to handle them, or spend time getting familiar with when you  might have to protect yourself with one.. consequences. If having to shoot or be killed isn't something you never want to happen. Then I wouldn't trust you with a gun.

@TURD BURGLAR ahahhhhh gottem, like every one of you guys I call out I stomp so hard you can't even respond lol - you guys fall apart at ANY arguement that's even SLIGHTLY articulated I swear LOL.

@Bobby Dotson Tell this the victims of school shootings. Guns make killings way easier, which is why they are used...and also cowardly from a larger distance. You would not seriously state "bombs don't kill people, so it is ok for everybody to carry a bomb". Maybe gun ownership should only be legal after passing a really complicated test, that might prevent fools from having one

The 2nd Amendment is not limitless. Many states'<br>specific restrictions carry a provision to the effect that the state legislature may enact laws regulating the carrying, concealing, and/or wearing of arms. The more idiots misuse their gun rights, the more likely this will lead to further restrictions. Which makes perfect sense.

The 2nd Amendment is not limitless. Many states'
specific restrictions carry a provision to the effect that the state legislature may enact laws regulating the carrying, concealing, and/or wearing of arms. The more idiots misuse their gun rights, the more likely this will lead to further restrictions. Which makes perfect sense.

Hagen Re except those statistics are skewed, 2/3rds of those are gang on gang violence and the majority of the rest are suicides, I don’t think a German should be throwing stones when it comes to laws put in place to stop tyranny...

@TURD BURGLAR I'll say this. The push was unnecessary. The criminal lies to police, shows no remorse and admits he would just shoot someone instead of fighting them. A threat to his life?A beating isn't the end of the world and it would maybe make guys like this think twice before they draw a weapon infront of kids and take away someone's father over petty nonesense. His god complex and lack of responsible gun use got him in trouble but someone else lost their life. I don't see a push as equal to a killing a human being, nor does the law and nor would you if you had compassion for the victim

Grill side Pickin the guy that broke no laws is the only one not alive and thats not right.  This should concern you more considering there are people who arent skilled to carry, that carry

@Colin Nadeau No problem with my guns, if you having a gun problem take it to a gunsmith.

@Colin Nadeau No problem with my guns, if you having a gun problem take it to a gunsmith.

@Hagen Re And there are so many wannabee law enforcement people in Germany, people who would go to your car and lecture you for not having the handicapped sticker. That would be ugly if we had guns everywhere.

@TURD BURGLAR where he fired, but mainly where he apparently didn't actually feel like his life was in danger, and further, where he even continues in the interview after having plenty of time to reflect on the situation that he wouldn't have done anything different. I could find some sympathy for his situation if he misread things in the heat of the moment, but he didn't. He's just a person who spent a lot of time convincing himself that he was man enough to kill someone at the first opportunity, and he did.

Michael B wow way to take a murders side wanna cookie ?

Michael B wow way to take a murders side wanna cookie ?

@Hagen Re people kill not guns. If he didn't have a gun but had a knife would you want to get rid of knives? What if he had a stick? You can go on and on about a killing

@Michael B  I guess you still don't understand that you can't shoot someone who is clearly retreating  even if you got shoved and butthurt.

@Hagen Re comparing suicides in this type of scenario doesn't really feel fair to me...

@Hagen Re comparing suicides in this type of scenario doesn't really feel fair to me...

Matthew Burgner yeah the government wants to take your AR because they aren’t sure their tanks, missiles, and bombs are enough.🙄Orr there’s just a horrendous gun problem in America. And I say that as a gun owner.

@TURD BURGLAR the victim didn't use deadly force, and may have felt his family was in danger. We can't ask him for his side. If he pulled a gun, I'd agree.

TURD BURGLAR you know that there is such a thing like calculating per capita... so yes you can compare these countries. You mention diversity yet everyone knows that the biggest differentiator of the US from developed countries is the lack of good and accessible education and healthcare and the lack of societal accountability in favour of extreme individualism. Sprinkle accessible and widespread gun usage = Todays US. Of course a country wide ban would extremely decrease this scenarios. You can carry arms in many countries but you have to go through a process and you can not buy them at a supermarket. However without proper education and healthcare gun violence will be very desired as a result of the idiocratic development in the US.

@Ven Gray Its a right in america not a human right lol. Guns would disappear over time mostly cause they break and other stuff

@Michael B ,   Well, If I was in a car with my kids and a man harassed me I might think he was a kidnapper or something.  If she had a gun then she could probably argue justifiable action based on imminent threat.  That guy was looking for trouble so he could fulfil his fantasy.

@Hagen Re, our 2nd Amendment to our Constitution doesn't say guns in civilian hands are only for hunting, but this right shall not be abridged or infringed upon, period.  The vast majority of the problem here is criminals who use guns to perpetrate crimes against police, business owners, home owners, their spouses and their children.  Go pontificate somewhere else.

@Hagen Re, the argument for taking away guns runs contrary to the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution, which says this right may not be abridged or infringed upon, period.  It's not a gun problem, it's the criminals who use guns against police and citizens that are the real problem.  Your argument has no merit in my country.

@TURD BURGLAR Except they can relatively easily "come take it" when they create a massive power discrepancy in favor of the military and police by limiting what 'the people' can legally own.

Michael B he WAS shot for just standing there. Once he backed away and wasn’t coming towards him he was no longer a threat. He was shot for standing 6 feet away under the guise of “I thought he was going to hurt me.”

@Hagen Re <br>More like 12,000. That number doesn't add-up, probably accidentals, suicides and OIS incidents thrown on top of gang bullshit.

@Hagen Re
More like 12,000. That number doesn't add-up, probably accidentals, suicides and OIS incidents thrown on top of gang bullshit.

TURD BURGLAR exactly what I’m saying dude. Nothing wrong with showing a gun if you feel threatened, but theres absolutely no reason to shoot someone dead without giving them a chance to back up.

TURD BURGLAR dude he was backing up when he shot him. I mean I get drawing a weapon when you’re scared, but he was literally backing up. That is absolutely not a deadly threat.

@Michael B lol bro stop. He killed him for no reason. He wasn't fearful of his life. So basically no reason.

@Michael B lol bro stop. He killed him for no reason. He wasn't fearful of his life. So basically no reason.

People shouldnt have a gun at all except for hunting. 33 thousand deaths per year due to weapons in america vs 70 in germany. Adjusted to the same populations thats around 280 deaths, so not even 1% of the weapon deaths

@Robert Grosser well, not for "no" reason; he did assault him. Although it may not have been justified, it's not like he was shot for just standing there.


You walk around my car with my wife and kids in it you better have a big gun and don’t miss.


If he just minded his own business, this would’ve never happened


Worst thing anyone can do (guilty or innocent): talk to the police without a lawyer present.  That being said, this guy didn't have to shoot as the guy stopped as soon as he saw the gun was being drawn. And then he backed up.

@Abel Jacobo yes, if the incident had stopped at the drawing of the gun I would say the armed man did nothing illegal. It would have been appropriate to make an arrest for the assault and punishment (if a first offence) could have been suspended jail time and a small fine.<br>But no, instead we have a dead man and a murderer because the man with the gun lost all sense of proportion. The only thing that would justify shooting a person is if his own life was in danger, and the video clearly shows that the attacker was backing off once he saw the gun. Firing under those circumstances is murder. "But he started it" is not a justification. It is not his place to dispense "justice" as he sees it, only to defend himself and he went further than that.

@Abel Jacobo yes, if the incident had stopped at the drawing of the gun I would say the armed man did nothing illegal. It would have been appropriate to make an arrest for the assault and punishment (if a first offence) could have been suspended jail time and a small fine.
But no, instead we have a dead man and a murderer because the man with the gun lost all sense of proportion. The only thing that would justify shooting a person is if his own life was in danger, and the video clearly shows that the attacker was backing off once he saw the gun. Firing under those circumstances is murder. "But he started it" is not a justification. It is not his place to dispense "justice" as he sees it, only to defend himself and he went further than that.

@Brian Schaefer yup...what if the girl shot him right after maybe....he was attacked and out numbered.

It depends. If someone assaults you, there is a real possibility that person could knock you out or down and get your gun. Now you're the one who's dead.

@Test Test legally it was wrong to push the guy.....and also shooting the guy....all.

My point is these animalistic impulses to react violently is hidden in everyman....just how the black dude needed  to escalate from words to assault.....the white dude felt needed to escalate from assault to homicide.....

It's best not to escalate at all.

Because there's always a level more extreme that can be reached fast.

@Abel Jacobo I repeat: massive overreaction. I guess we will see if the jury agrees with your interpretation.

@spaghetti many people have this misconception. It's not true and makes no sense.  For instance, I might need to use my gun. Pull it out to prepare myself. Realize I don't need my gun. Put it away. Not illegal.

@Abel Jacobo he stopped and backed up there was no reason for him to be shot maybe as a warning he could have just held the weapon out but the guy wasn’t coming at him at the point in the video

@Gabe Jenkins  I don't own guns personally.....rather fight.....but I completely avoid even fighting because someone could have a gun....you never know...it's best to respect the law and everything will be fine.

@Test Test this had nothing to do with a parking spot....this happend because the boyfriend thought he was in a video game and assaulted a guy unprovoked.         He had every right to do so under federal law.....state law probably not.

@Abel Jacobo there is a matter of degrees. There was wrong doing at several stages in this affair, but some were worse than others.
1) parking illegally
2) starting a shouting match, probably not illegal but escalating the situation. Should have taken photos and reported them if he wanted to do something.
3) the push. This was an overreaction, probably a minor assault.
4) the shooting. This was a massive overreaction. Probably murder.

Only one of these acts demands significant jail time.

@Judy Cook but he assaulted the guy....he asking for trouble.

He was probably raised to be aggressive....and he met the real world.

@spaghetti It's sort of a grey area influenced by your jurisdiction's definition of self defense.  In most areas (in the US, anyway), if someone verbally threatens you or physically menaces you but has no weapon, and you pull a weapon in response, the person commiting armed assault is *you*.  You are the clear-and-present danger to the health and safety of everybody around you.

If you're in a situation where someone is threatening you with a weapon (such as a knife, club, or firearm), responding by clearing leather is generally a legally acceptable response.  Keeping in mind that pulling the trigger if they're not aggressively trying to homicide you to death immediately swings the other way back into illegal, and 'warning shots' or 'firing into the air' should generally always be considered illegal almost without regard for context.

Insert the usual not-a-lawyer stuff here, etc, etc; I'm just a guy who works in a field where being robbed is an everpresent hazard, knows a couple cops, and has done some independent research.

EDIT:
Apparently Stand Your Ground laws (which state you can respond to deadly force with deadly force) are actually super uncommon east of the Rockies, so legally the correct response—if you're not in a Western Expansion state—is actually probably to run like a mofo if someone is threatening you, even if you believe they're a clear and present threat to your life and have a weapon to counter that threat.  shrugs  Weird.

@spaghetti It's sort of a grey area influenced by your jurisdiction's definition of self defense.  In most areas (in the US, anyway), if someone verbally threatens you or physically menaces you but has no weapon, and you pull a weapon in response, the person commiting armed assault is *you*.  You are the clear-and-present danger to the health and safety of everybody around you.

If you're in a situation where someone is threatening you with a weapon (such as a knife, club, or firearm), responding by clearing leather is generally a legally acceptable response.  Keeping in mind that pulling the trigger if they're not aggressively trying to homicide you to death immediately swings the other way back into illegal, and 'warning shots' or 'firing into the air' should generally always be considered illegal almost without regard for context.

Insert the usual not-a-lawyer stuff here, etc, etc; I'm just a guy who works in a field where being robbed is an everpresent hazard, knows a couple cops, and has done some independent research.

EDIT:
Apparently Stand Your Ground laws (which state you can respond to deadly force with deadly force) are actually super uncommon east of the Rockies, so legally the correct response—if you're not in a Western Expansion state—is actually probably to run like a mofo if someone is threatening you, even if you believe they're a clear and present threat to your life and have a weapon to counter that threat.  *shrugs*  Weird.

@spaghetti hi spaghetti, i agree with you and am also curious about its legality.

ALSO FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE: no matter how minor you think the offense your being accused of is (even if its just like shoplifting) ALWAYS ASK FOR AN ATTORNY IMMEDIATELY ! the phrase "anything you say can and will be used against you" is so true. your words will be manipulated even if you are innocent, it is CRUCIAL to have an attorney present whenever you are speaking to officers/investigators, because they are really brutal.

What’s the legality of brandishing a firearm in self defense? I’m just curious. I thought it was illegal. But yeah ofc I don’t think the dad had murderous intent, just wanted to show who he thought was a jerk to go away (I do not support shoving a dude but I don’t think it constitutes death).

Exactly.  The father moved back. <br>This guy was looking for trouble and had no business policing the parking spot.

Exactly.  The father moved back.
This guy was looking for trouble and had no business policing the parking spot.

Amen. Deny, deny, deny and keep quiet. You're right.


So many people here are debating whether or not the father should have pushed Drejka, as if he was somehow asking for it by doing so. That's bullshit. This strange guy was yelling aggressively at his wife with his kids in the car - if anything, Drejka was the one asking for it. In fact, it seems to me he made this whole scene on purpose because he had a territorial delusion about "his store" and an itchy trigger finger. He wanted to shoot someone, and the fact that he wasn't at all sorry for what he did just proves that. You don't start screaming at strangers and then claim you're the one who was wronged when shit goes south. Life doesn't work that way. Drejka is the aggressor here, and a pathetic gun-happy lunatic at that.


48:35 The prosecutor calls Markeis McGlockton, Michael several times.


Guns are the main reason I won't go to USA even for a vacation.


This is the perfect example of when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail.. he put himself in situations knowing he had a gun, he just wanted to use it.

@Sydnarella Exactly. The same is true of 99.9% of guns in the US. Now, imagine a society where nobody carried guns. Wouldn't that be nice? Well, that is the rest of the developed world. People only carry guns around in war-torn, third world countries. Americans are unique, in that they will give up 50 of their children every week, for their "right to be bear arms". Yet, their right to bear arms is all based on fear. So, their fear is greater than their love for their children. The rest of the world can't understand that.

Perfect way to summarize it. It's just like owning a sports bike and getting that itch to go on a white-knuckled ride.

Perfect way to summarize it. It's just like owning a sports bike and getting that itch to go on a white-knuckled ride.

@Jangus Roundstone

Lollllllllllll Projection noticed

@Jangus Roundstone

Lollllllllllll Projection noticed

@Jangus Roundstone

Good Job, reaffirming my point.

@Jangus Roundstone

Good Job, reaffirming my point.

Dominant Persona hahaha your name is ironic! I get it

Dominant Persona hahaha your name is ironic! I get it

@boagski

 boagski

If you are scared of being shot dead after pushing someone like that, you should not interact with any strangers in public! NONE! You should hide home!

New M00N if you are THAT SCARED of being pushed like that, you should not interact with any strangers in public! NONE! You should hide at home!

@Jangus Roundstone Low IQ Summation... See: Darren Wilson

@Jangus Roundstone Low IQ Summation... See: Darren Wilson

@Jangus Roundstone

You do realise this case is waiting for an appeal and will be thrownout and gone to retrial right?

@Jangus Roundstone

You do realise this case is waiting for an appeal and will be thrownout and gone to retrial right?

Great comment because it fits perfect to what happened.

Great comment because it fits perfect to what happened.

@Jangus Roundstone

If he wasnt a threat he would still be alive...

@Jangus Roundstone

If he wasnt a threat he would still be alive...

And Americans still believe it's nothing wrong with their laws when in comes to gun licensing. Everyone running up and down with guns like back in the days in wild wild west

Dont expect to walk out of a situation unscathed after attacking someone. Glocktons death was a suicide

Dont expect to walk out of a situation unscathed after attacking someone. Glocktons death was a suicide

New M00N did he tho? The law says different.. he started an issue with someone’s wife and kids over something that didn’t have anything to do with him and then he couldn’t take his ass whooping like a man so he shoots him.. that’s the type of man you respect? One that can’t pick up his fists and fight for himself? Couldn’t be me

@steelrain7.62API you are 100 percent more likely to stab someone that doesnt carry a knife tho aint u......

@steelrain7.62API you are 100 percent more likely to stab someone that doesnt carry a knife tho aint u......

Vast, vast majority of ppl who carry never use it. You don’t hear about it because it doesn’t make news.

Vast, vast majority of ppl who carry never use it. You don’t hear about it because it doesn’t make news.

@Jangus Roundstone thats not how this works. no matter how deeply someone offends you with their words, once you escalate to violence anything that follows after that was your gamble.

@ken dalton women can stand up for themselves better than many men can. it usually ends in the harasser giving up and walking away with their tail between their legs. but once a white knight gets involved? then it suddenly turns into a potentially deadly situation.

@Gorgeous George u live in uk I bet mate yeah? Coz I understand what u mean. Most young guys that carry knives there end up killed or slashed up on a daily basis! Knife crime in UK is outta hand. It's crazy, I'm from Ireland so I see an hear it all

@C WG if your wife or GF an kids are being shouted at aggressively you'd wanna protect them. But your right. He coulda talked to the guy instead of pushing for sure man. I think the guy that shot wouldn't have acted so brave pickin on a woman if he didn't have a gun.!

@C Jones I'm a carpenter and live on a farm I carry a knife every day too coz I need one every day.. Do t carry it to go shopping and shit though lol

Was just thinkin the very same thing.! 👌 Every one is a hard man when packin heat!  A real hard guy Startin a fight with a woman too.. He shoulda kept his mouth shut there was plenty other non handicapped spaces that were even closer to the shop door, so yeah I think he definitely wanted to use his gun man! ✌

@Seymour Cox or just not have gotten into a fight about shoes? Take the ego hit and walk away, but that's too much for some people.

@Jangus Roundstone i dont consider courts infallible. nah, dont want to get shot, dont lay a hand on someone. simple as that.

@Jangus Roundstone i dont consider courts infallible. nah, dont want to get shot, dont lay a hand on someone. simple as that.

this is the exact scenario for which the hammer and nail analogy was made, superbly put

this is the exact scenario for which the hammer and nail analogy was made, superbly put

One guess, which party do you think he votes for?

One guess, which party do you think he votes for?

@Gorgeous George Fear is not my friend it is the mind killer.

@Gorgeous George Fear is not my friend it is the mind killer.

@Gorgeous George ..... I'm not carrying a knife to feel more secure in social situations... It is a tool. I've never been afraid to go down dark alleyways knife or no.

@C WG well obviously he wasnt since hes serving 20 years right now lol. The guy was backing of. He wanted to take revenge, which is why hes serving right now.

"everytime someone cuts me in line at whole foods i think to myself, am i about to smoke this motherfucker?"

"everytime someone cuts me in line at whole foods i think to myself, am i about to smoke this motherfucker?"

C J some people either carry a knife (like a pocket knife) or a gun, depending on where you live or the kind of life you live, I don’t think it’s weird

if you dont want to get hurt, dont go brutally pushing people to the ground and making them fear for their life. he was 100% justified, deal with it.

@C Jones  A lot of people carry a pocket knife..

@C Jones  A lot of people carry a pocket knife..

am i wrong to lack empathy for people who responds with violence before anything else, im not saying the dude deserved to get shot but idk be civilized? and you will never get shot by stupid people.

@steelrain7.62API not everybody who's carrying is just looking to shoot somebody, but everybody that's looking to shoot somebody is carrying

@steelrain7.62API  - I think you missed Maurice's point - when Drejka was asked by the cops why he wasn't worried that by initiating a confrontation that confrontation could escalate, his answer was that he wasn't worried because he was armed.
he basically admitted that he was happy to escalate any confrontation to the point that he would shoot his way out of it.
that is very much a "carry a hammer everything looks like a nail " kind of mindset

@Johnathan Busse when you mentioned why a knife might be useful you stated what any knife can be used for, you didn't say a knife can be used for many things like kitchen knives, pocket knives, etc.

squirt guns and bb guns are completely irrelevant as they aren't what we're talking about, a signal gun is less relevant as it's just a gun without the damage part, hand guns and rifles are used for loud bang bang or to hurt/damage something/someone, that just leaves flare guns which could be grouped with squirt guns and bb guns but they're pretty different so we can add to my list "make big light (in the case of a flare gun)"

although everything you mentioned falls under the title gun there is a big difference between a mansion and a shack or a lamborghini and a honda.

@lifesarisk actually there are more than 2 uses. There are let's see flare guns,squirt guns, bb guns, hand guns, rifles, signal guns that only shoot blanks to signal the start or end of somthing I could go on all day. You need to do some research with your entire bang bang theory. Its ignorance that kills people not guns

@Johnathan Busse the saying isn't meant to be literal lmao. guns literally have 2 uses, make loud bang bang and to hurt/damage something/someone.

Lesson learned, dont assault people. You might get shot one day

Lesson learned, dont assault people. You might get shot one day

C J a lot of people carry pocket knives lol weird you’re not surprised by that

C J a lot of people carry pocket knives lol weird you’re not surprised by that

Steelrain he was talking about Drieka mate, NOT YOU!

Steelrain he was talking about Drieka mate, NOT YOU!

@Rodney Fisk guns are used in the Olympics all the time they have many other purposes than just to kill.....or scare Democrats.

@Rodney Fisk guns are used in the Olympics all the time they have many other purposes than just to kill.....or scare Democrats.

Also I work in construction and have many hammers and only nails look like nails. Since you want to get all serious about it lol.

Also I work in construction and have many hammers and only nails look like nails. Since you want to get all serious about it lol.

@steelrain7.62API because a knife has other uses. A gun doesn't. I know ppl just like that. They are constantly wanting to find themselves in some situation where they can blast someone. Those guys are out there. BTW, I'm not directing that at all concealed carriers, just ones like him.

@Seymour Cox So what about situations where people's lives are clearly in danger? The video shows us a case of a legitimate coward, as he had no reason to shoot. However,  if say I were to get into a legitimate fight when I wasn't the one to instigate it, and I'm at risk of serious injury or death? I have the right to defend myself. Calling anyone who holds a viewpoint like that a coward shows an ignorance to reality. Most of the time it's not about proving some perception of manliness or bravery, it's merely about defending yourself. Just because cases like the one documented here do show a coward, that doesn't mean most cases follow the same line as this one.

@C Jones Self defense? Like legitimate self defense. Or you're regularly doing jobs where it's handy to have a knife on you. In general it can be handy to have a knife. It's a multi purpose tool

@Erik Molnar Yeah I get you , Me either I'm not afraid of no one! What I'm saying that in a street fight it's a whole different World from what I train As a Fighter ..and that my Mission is to Get the K.O ASAP if I ever have to Get in a street fight

@Dog Tube Me neither but I'm not afraid of other men either. I take care of myself so no problems. I'm not criticizing you. But I would like to say that people arent that bad. And if you always stay on the right side of the law, you will have protection. Once you cross that line, your screwed so that's my best advise

@Erik Molnar I don't Trust NO MAN period

@Erik Molnar I don't Trust NO MAN period

I have been in 2 real fights during the past 15 years. Luckily not recently. The first one I was cornered in a hallway. I'm gonna be real honest here. The man didnt like me sleeping with his ex in his house. Luckily we weren't doing that but I was cornered.  I grappled him, got around, as soon as I let go telling him I wouldn't fight back, he gave me a well deserved black eye. I made amends later by splitting a 12 pack with him months later. The 2nd was just a wrestling match where my opponent threatened to throw me off a 2 story deck. I'm afraid of heights and didnt know that karate moves are my strong point. He ended up face down. No punches were thrown. This guy on the other hand is the instigator but trying to be the enforcer of a parking space and a bully. The gun allowed him to be a bully when he is actually not a good fighter and a pussy. I feel so bad for that mom and her kids. Its men like that coward who will leave the most messed up lasting impression on them. I have a ton of black friends<br>.. yes invited to come to my house anytime, we talk on the phone, etc. I'm doing everything I can to connect with friends in Liberia, Cagayan de Oro... I have a Muslim gf in Indonesia who is going to visit me in Texas this year if possible. I'll doing my part as many people these days are in making MLKs dream come true. But shithead bullies and murderers like this asshole send us 2 steps back everytime! Pardon my language. Just really sad

I have been in 2 real fights during the past 15 years. Luckily not recently. The first one I was cornered in a hallway. I'm gonna be real honest here. The man didnt like me sleeping with his ex in his house. Luckily we weren't doing that but I was cornered.  I grappled him, got around, as soon as I let go telling him I wouldn't fight back, he gave me a well deserved black eye. I made amends later by splitting a 12 pack with him months later. The 2nd was just a wrestling match where my opponent threatened to throw me off a 2 story deck. I'm afraid of heights and didnt know that karate moves are my strong point. He ended up face down. No punches were thrown. This guy on the other hand is the instigator but trying to be the enforcer of a parking space and a bully. The gun allowed him to be a bully when he is actually not a good fighter and a pussy. I feel so bad for that mom and her kids. Its men like that coward who will leave the most messed up lasting impression on them. I have a ton of black friends
.. yes invited to come to my house anytime, we talk on the phone, etc. I'm doing everything I can to connect with friends in Liberia, Cagayan de Oro... I have a Muslim gf in Indonesia who is going to visit me in Texas this year if possible. I'll doing my part as many people these days are in making MLKs dream come true. But shithead bullies and murderers like this asshole send us 2 steps back everytime! Pardon my language. Just really sad

All I Know is that in a street fight Anything can Happen!! Anything it's a very Dangerous situation You Can't Compared a Boxing Fight or a MMA Fight to a Street fight! But if I ever get in a Actual Street fight my Mission is to get the DUDE out!!! ASAP by a Knockout!!! And Bounce

I've carried a gun for years and years.  I've never shot anyone or even taken it out of its holster.

I've carried a gun for years and years.  I've never shot anyone or even taken it out of its holster.

@C Jones A  LOT of people carry a knife in their pocket every day.  Purely utilitarian.

@C Jones A  LOT of people carry a knife in their pocket every day.  Purely utilitarian.

@C Jones Big difference between a gun and a knife, bro. One is purely for hurting/scaring people and one is an everyday tool. I've carried a pocket knife since I was a Boy Scout, 40+ years ago. I'm hardly going to pull out my Swiss Army Knife in a conflict situation. But, if you're talking switchblades, I'd certainly agree.

@Jared Dopps No shit Sherlock. . I don’t live in a safe area but I don’t carry a knife with me everyday.

@Jared Dopps No shit Sherlock. . I don’t live in a safe area but I don’t carry a knife with me everyday.

@C Jones Not everyone lives in a safe area

@C Jones Not everyone lives in a safe area

@steelrain7.62API Exactly. Nothing makes a coward feel brave like a gun.

@steelrain7.62API Exactly. Nothing makes a coward feel brave like a gun.

steelrain7.62API Yea obviously it’s not applicable to everyone but a lot of people think like that

steelrain7.62API Yea obviously it’s not applicable to everyone but a lot of people think like that

@steelrain7.62API Why would you carry a knife with you everyday ????  WEIRDO !!!

@steelrain7.62API Why would you carry a knife with you everyday ????  WEIRDO !!!

I don't know about this whole you carry a hammer everything looks like a nail business. I carry a knife with me everyday and I'm not stabbing and cutting s*** all the time.....


its at that moment he knew fucked up ....


It just amazes me that people just blab away and don't lawyer up. Unbelievable. 🤦♀😓

Frees Peach I didn’t mean it like in a super serious way. I was following the conversation with my point of view. Also, I’d like to think even if they got a lawyer, they would end up screwed anyway, just because karma, or the astronomical stupidity that made them murder someone in the first place. Like in this case, this shithead’s narcissism made him think he was gonna get away w it and he was friends w the detectives 🤦♀

In this case I think it demonstrates an overall lack of intelligence, something which is almost a mitigating factor.

@Míriam You're reading your own bias into it. I made a statement about how incredible it is that they don't know their rights and don't shut up and lawyer up. Their Mirandized, but just ignore that and dig themselves in deeper. I'm talking about their rights! It's got nothing to do with wanting them to get away with anything.

jonnygotagun I don’t mean mad, mad. I mean the comments that seem to find it so disappointing. Makes me feel like they’re telling the murderers to be safe lol

Frees Peach Why does it make y’all so mad that they talk? We get justice thanks to them being stupid enough, and the detectives doing their job. It’s the best that can happen


Mind your own business!! Don't start shit for no reason .


A Male Karen.  People just mind your own business.


The Fourth Man thank you Fourth Man. Very cool!

Genius profile picture!!! Finkle IS Einhorn... Einhorn IS Finkle!

The Fourth Man oh... you’re one of ‘those’ people.

The Fourth Man if the shooting was justified he wouldn’t be in the penitentiary, friend.

Look at that... they're little footballs

@The Fourth Man Don't you understand how big it is to take someone's life? You have to take a measured approach, otherwise why not just give the death penalty for any law broken for any reason? You're thinking about you're right to shoot and likely kill. Think about the victim that is killed over something that's just a good reason to be killed over. Don't you see how he waited, and then shot?

@Kat Howard I agree that there some racial motivation is likely, mostly because he mentioned how he tries to "not let that come out of him" or something along those lines, mentilning his grandfather I believe. Sorry, I honestly didn't feel like searching the video from it. But I just don't know if that's really what made him oull this trigger, seems like a wannabe cop more than anything.

Voluntarist Shitting on the cops in 2020. So edgy.

"If you’re the type to let illegal parking bother you, you aren’t cut out to be the type who carries a gun."<br>You realize that you're describing all police officers, right? LOL

"If you’re the type to let illegal parking bother you, you aren’t cut out to be the type who carries a gun."
You realize that you're describing all police officers, right? LOL

Exactly. I don't think anyone here is saying parking in a handicap space, and even shoving a man to the ground for harassing your wife/gf is right, but it is absolutely no reason to kill a man over. Especially when him just pulling the gun ended the altercation completely. But his ego, and wannabe cop bs made him get into a situation he had no business being in and lose his restraint and pull the trigger when it was absolutely unnecessary. People like this cannot be allowed to carry a gun.

Kat Howard ok Kat... media got you goood

It was almost certainly racially motivated- not illegal parking. After all, he illegally parked next to the woman to badger her about her parking. The illegal parking was an "excuse to rightfully get pissed off at some black people" and the push was clearly an "excuse" to shoot a black man as well.
If he even once said the word "violent thug" in reference to that man, that's proof enough of racial motivation. He was just looking for an opportunity to shoot someone and get away with it. If the CCTV wasn't there, he probably would've gotten away with it because that's unfortunately how the police and judicial system also paints black men. He probably would've gotten away with the "self-defense" defense if it hadn't been for that CCTV footage.
He clearly wanted to shoot someone and has this gross fetish with the military (which he was probably prohibited from enrolling in because he made it too obvious that he wanted to shoot someone) shows that his admiration with the people who serve is connected with his sick desire to just shoot people in the name of "justice".

It was almost certainly racially motivated- not illegal parking. After all, he illegally parked next to the woman to badger her about her parking. The illegal parking was an "excuse to rightfully get pissed off at some black people" and the push was clearly an "excuse" to shoot a black man as well.
If he even once said the word "violent thug" in reference to that man, that's proof enough of racial motivation. He was just looking for an opportunity to shoot someone and get away with it. If the CCTV wasn't there, he probably would've gotten away with it because that's unfortunately how the police and judicial system *also* paints black men. He probably would've gotten away with the "self-defense" defense if it hadn't been for that CCTV footage.
He clearly wanted to shoot someone and has this gross fetish with the military (which he was probably prohibited from enrolling in because he made it too obvious that he wanted to shoot someone) shows that his admiration with the people who serve is connected with his sick desire to just shoot people in the name of "justice".

I agree.  If illegal parking bothers you , get a ticket book.


About 15 minutes into this interview, he should have uttered the following words, "I want a lawyer"!  I cannot emphasize enough the value of legal representation in this situation.

@Ur Duffer I wouldn't call it my take, I just feel that this peanut would have done himself a favour by asking for a lawyer.

That’s your take?  Sounds like you are preparing for something….


To say that he is the victim is seriously offensive...


I love SO much when they ask a million questions just to get the person deeper and deeper into the lie...all the while the suspect thinks the police are believing them so they just keep talking and talking.

@AppleSauwse not everyone is a cry baby who likes to tell on everyone

Y’all didn’t report that guys comment? He talked about jizzing in that persons hair. Not the right place.


That's why I hate gangster's nowadays scared to fight act tuff behind a gun ...


ANYONE ELSE JUST SO FLABBERGASTED THAT THIA MAN IS SO CHILL THAT  HE TOOK SOMEONES LIFE JUST LKE THAT

like he does not feel bad for that poor guy at all and fully beleives he had a right to do that🙁


People who are secretly <b>*hoping*</b> that they will have to use their guns are pathetic. And they shouldn't own a gun.

People who are secretly **hoping** that they will have to use their guns are pathetic. And they shouldn't own a gun.

@gumshake you were the first to notice here 🍪

I hope I never have to use it but, better to have one and not ever need it then to need one and not have it. I go to the range too. Have a lil fun.
#AlpineShootingRange

That is why he would go to his store looking to see who was parked in the handycap space.

@gumshake jokes on you I don't even own a gun and said this just to trigger


You know, we are all smart asses when we sitting at home watching this but if we stuck in the same situation, we would be worse than animals


This dude thought that just because he had a gun he could do whatever he wanted and treat people however he wanted.


It's so scary to see someone truly think they did nothing wrong and behave so calmly after shooting and killing someone. Like they expect high-fives or something and don't feel at all guilty.

@Looking 4 Things I honestly can’t tell if you’re a troll or a genuine crazy person.

@T W Any real man would have reacted exactly the same way. When your family including your young children are risk a real man would do everything he possibly could to protect them. He behaved exactly as Id want my father to in the situation.

@F T "The cornerstone of mental health is accepting reality" --Dr. Bessel Van der Kolk

@Looking 4 ThingsIt is also because of people like you that racism will never end. New generations are much more tolerant, but there is always someone out there that make sure the word racism it's daily mentioned.

Calm down folks.  The guy ran up and assaulted him.  You shouldn't assault people....when you hit someone they can escalate to shoot you .  It's sad the msn died....he should not have been assaulting the man...the consequences were a fatal shooting...

Hmm....I don't know. Michael could've legitimately feared for his life in that moment with a big black man who just shoved him to the ground standing over him. He shouldn't have shot, especially if the black guy backed off after the firearm was brandished...but I don't know if this situation is so black-and-white (excuse the pun).

@Looking 4 Things
Lol maybe in the other cases but I'm not sure there was honestly any racism in this case. The guy shot some guy he felt threatened by and made a terrible decision, that's pretty much it.
It's got nothing to do with his race

It's due to the fact that a lot of ppl don't understand laws... in fact probably only 20 or 30 percent of the American population really have decent understanding of laws I'm guessing and most of them are probably lawyers or involved in law in some way. Ppl think that of u get into an altercation u can just shoot someone and say u were defending yourself. The law is pretty complex and the statutes put in place are for specifications of situations. Most ppl don't understand the law or have misconceptions which lead them to thinking things like this are ok for them to do and then they're surprised when they go in front of actual lawyers and prosecutors who inform them they can't

@Looking 4 Things <br>Lol actually it has nothing to do with that case at all... but ok

@Looking 4 Things
Lol actually it has nothing to do with that case at all... but ok

Exactly It's the same entitled demeanor as the 3 in Ahmaud Abery murder and that murderer guy-  Dunn,


Revelation 21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth. For the first heaven and the first earth was gone, and the sea is now no more.

2 And I John saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from Lord God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice from the throne, saying: Behold the tabernacle of Lord God with men, and he will dwell with them. And they shall be his people; and Lord God himself with them shall be their Lord God.

4 And Lord God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes: and death shall be no more, nor mourning, nor crying, nor sorrow shall be any more, for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat on the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And he said to me: Write, for these words are most faithful and true.

6 And he said to me: It is done. I am Alpha and Omega; the beginning and the end. To him that thirsteth, I will give of the fountain of the water of life, freely.

7 He that shall overcome shall possess these things, and I will be his Lord God; and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, they shall have their portion in the pool burning with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

9 And there came one of the seven angels, who had the vials full of the seven last plagues, and spoke with me, saying: Come, and I will shew thee the bride, the wife of the Lord God Lamb.

10 And he took me up in spirit to a great and high mountain: and he shewed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from Lord God,

11 Having the glory of Lord God, and the light thereof was like to a precious stone, as to the jasper stone, even as crystal.

12 And it had a wall great and high, having twelve gates, and in the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

13 On the east, three gates: and on the north, three gates: and on the south, three gates: and on the west, three gates.

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them, the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lord God Lamb.

15 And he that spoke with me, had a measure of a reed of gold, to measure the city and the gates thereof, and the wall.

16 And the city lieth in a foursquare, and the length thereof is as great as the breadth: and he measured the city with the golden reed for twelve thousand furlongs, and the length and the height and the breadth thereof are equal.

17 And he measured the wall thereof an hundred and forty-four cubits, the measure of a man, which is of an angel.

18 And the building of the wall thereof was of jasper stone: but the city itself pure gold, like to clear glass.

19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper: the second, sapphire: the third, a chalcedony: the fourth, an emerald:

20 The fifth, sardonyx: the sixth, sardius: the seventh, chrysolite: the eighth, beryl: the ninth, a topaz: the tenth, a chrysoprasus: the eleventh, a jacinth: the twelfth, an amethyst.

21 And the twelve gates are twelve pearls, one to each: and every several gate was of one several pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

22 And I saw no temple therein. For the Lord God Almighty is the temple thereof, and the Lord God Lamb.

23 And the city hath no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it. For the glory of Lord God hath enlightened it, and the Lord God Lamb is the lamp thereof.

24 And the nations shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates thereof shall not be shut by day: for there shall be no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lord God Lamb.


I wonder what went through the victims head when he desided to initiate physical violence. "Somebody is arguing with my partner so I'm going to push them to the ground."

Did he deserve to die? Probably not. Was he a "good guy"? Definitely not.

Yeah he was the one who escalated the situation from verbal to physical. Dude won a Darwin award as the strange folk over on reddit like to say.


any notice the guy in the white shirt during the prosecution's closing arguments? bruh looks straight up dead lmao


Hey mike mind ur fkn business n things like this dont happen


I don’t think he was ever scared for his own life, I think he was ticked off he was pushed and wanted to get him back. His ego got really bruised and he felt he had the right to retaliate.

@Ricky Rickardo he ain’t in jail, he’s a free man.

Yes, exactly what I see. As a Marine we are trained to employ violence at a threat. The only threat I see is his ego was bruised because he was pushed to the ground quicker than he could have repelled it. He was attacked, this is obvious and it was a bad decision on attackers part, however...this idiot said attacker stepped toward him, thus tripping the 21 foot rule. Total bullshit. The victim now is the person shot. Drejka should have admitted he made a bad call, got up and walked away. Instead he decided to shoot a man that 'put him in his place', rather than be a man and leave, which is probably what he'd have done if he hadn't been armed, he did the ultimate stupid and cost a man his life over a fucking parking place...un fucking real.

@Tim if the state would have said what Diana said I think the jury would have given him the maximum! He got off easy

True and I think it was also because the man was black.

@Lee K he might have been an aggressive type of person. His wife + kids were in the car and a stranger is making trouble with her. Not everyone handles everything with talking, and he's wrong for pushing him. Doesn't mean he had to be shot

Very well said and this is exactly what happened i think, he hesitated to shoot. It took a couple seconds, but he was so angry that he still shot him

Considering that he was awkwardly down on the ground, once he drew the pistol his options to respond were drastically reduced.

He literally flew when my dude shoved him, to be honest I don't think it he pushed him that hard, rather it was a solid push and Michael went down because for one, he was no match to the other guy, physically and second he was in a bad angle and didn't stand his ground when the push came, meaning his gravity center was immediately fucked and he flew. That shit certainly bruised his ego bad. Also, he took his sweet time before shooting, sooo the intent was there. My dude backed away a lot and froze, he probably would've dipped if it wasn't because hi girlfriend and the kids were RIGHT THERE.

@P L wow. This shows it was waiting to happen... He was so eager to use the weapon.

@P L I believe you are right, he wanted to kill someone. In my mind, a rational person who buys a gun might do so for defense with the hope they never have to use it. I think a person who is armed needs to actively avoid trouble when any other option is available. That does not however mean they don't go out and enjoy life. Just avoid known trouble. Drejka was looking for it. I hope people view this case as an opportunity to learn. So sad for the victims.

@Lucius Kiirus His plan fell down the sink when was discovered that he harassed people previously in the same location and the gun threats that he did in the past.  Some people want to violated the speed limit after buying a car, Drejka was itching for  use his concealed carry and gun to kill someone.

Drejka wanted to be that guy on the news who was forced to shoot someone to save his own life. He was looking to pick a fight so they would attack him and give him the ability to kill someone. I think he paused before firing the shot so that he could go over a check list in his head. I hope he never gets out of prison and I hope he lives a long time.

@Zasha exactly pulling the gun is a thing most people would do if they were armed, but he watched him take 3 steps back and still kept pulling the gun out waited 1 second and shot him, no reason for that coulda said back up or something instead of shooting him after watching him back off

I disagree honestly. While he was probably pissed hindsight is 20/20, if I got pushed like that I would’ve definitely pulled my gun. But I likely wouldn’t have fired that quickly when he backed up.

@Magical fairy  I didn't see your reply as defensive and rude at all ^^ No problem whatsoever. I can see why you'd think I'd be one of those internet nutters trying to excuse the murder (and perhaps I should have detailed more in my initial post given the issues around discussions on race/police excesses of power etc. in modern society), but no, it's honestly just the mentality of the situation that intrigued me.

Thank you for your replies :)

@Lee K i apologize for coming off as defensive or rude. I wasn’t expecting such a mature and actually thought out reply so I appreciate it actually and can see your point

@Magical fairy Oh I agree he didn't deserve to die for the decision, absolutely - it's just I don't understand it. It might be because I'm British, but in a country where it feels like everyone seemingly has a gun - and especially in a state with the SYG law - it just seems absolutely insane to attack the guy instead of getting in between the situation and saying "hold up, what the hell are you doing?"

Drejka is guilty as hell obviously, but it's not hard to imagine a situation where the shooting is reasonable; if the guy didn't take half a step back, there's suddenly a world of reasonable doubt in play.

I think so too. The Guy backing Up after the Push.. obviously...

I'm not saying you're wrong, it's clear this guy was far too ready to use his gun and had road rage issues but... Why the hell did the guy shove him to the ground?

He carries the gun because he wishes to take it out and use it

This guy wont do well in jail. It will be hell.


When stupid meets nasty. If only stupid's partner had parked properly


I’ve always been taught everyone who carries a weapon has an obligation to avoid confrontation unless completely necessary.

Agreed. It’s what we like to call “mind your own business”

Agreed. It’s what we like to call “mind your own business”

@Looking 4 Things nope, watch the court case. That charge was thrown out because it was not illegal for rittenhouse to have the rifle. More people need to watch the case, and watch less biased lying media, and maybe people wouldn’t be so uninformed.

@Josh Bowen Rittenhouse was 17 at the time. Isn't that illegal?

@Josh Bowen Rittenhouse was 17 at the time. Isn't that illegal?

Really?  I've not heard that particular ethical consideration when it comes to carrying a weapon.  That said, I'm Canadian and there are no weapons here except those legally employed for hunting....I wish more people had the same approach as you when it comews to carrying a weapon.  The world might be a bit gentler and safer place.

@Visassess Explain how he used his weapon in self defence…where was his life threatened for him to use deadly force?

@Adian Alvarez the rioters shouldn't have been there either

@Adian Alvarez the rioters shouldn't have been there either

@cjjj e the rifle wasn't at Kyle's house and the rifle never crossed state lines... Maybe if you want to pretend to be smart you should learn the facts of the case you are lying about..

@N Lyne depends on the state but Kyle Rittenhouse didn't start any of the conflicts he was involved in unlike this guy who initially started the problem.

@N Lyne What kind of confrontations do find find are necessary? You carry a gun to protect yourself and those immediately around you from deadly force. You avoid using deadly force unless deadly force is brought upon you. If somebody wants a fistfight you try to avoid it at all costs, and if you can't avoid it you use the appropriate amount of force to the force being applied to you. Guy has fists and just punched you? Fight your way out or run away (running is the first option!), but unless you are sure they intend to kill you why would you take their life? If somebody punches someone do they get the death sentence? Should they? I would hope you think not.

@Youtube person so a 17 year old kid doesnt have the right to self defense that an 18 year old has? Where does it say that in the law? You swore an oath as a police officer to protect and uphold people’s constitutional rights, you should know that the right to self defense is afforded to people of all ages. Why wasnt the 14 year old who shot the robber in the face arrested and tried as an adult? Because people have the right to protect themselves is why.

@Youtube person also funny that you call rittenhouse a “kid” but the prosecutors didnt view him as a kid when they tried him as an adult. I bet money if he was found guilty and sent to prison for life you wouldnt be arguing that hes just a kid. Youd be treating him like an adult and youd be glad hes in prison with other adults.

@Youtube person kyle rittenhouse was there in the first place because the police (you probably being one of them) weren’t there to stop people from committing felonious crimes. Its a bit moronic to say “kyle rittenhouse shouldnt have been there he should let the police do their jobs and not be a vigilante” meanwhile the police are nowhere to be found while people are creating anarchy. Touch grass.

@Youtube person - then you and your compatriots should have refused to stand down while Kenosha burned!    Kyle had and has every right to be there, every right to be armed, and every right to defend himself when attacked by CRIMINALS...  As we both know, your job does not legally require you to protect and serve... So someone’s gotta do it, and Kyle did more to protect and serve Kenosha than any of the officers “standing down” that riotous evening.   But it sounds like you are the type of “just following orders” officer, who would have been with the redcoats, in 1776, and the third reich, during WWII.

  I’ll take a single, well armed citizen of righteous morals, over a hundred of you..

@Youtube person Fact is the law and the jury are in Rittenhouse's favor. The fact you don't acknowledge his innocence just goes to show how even cops like you can be ignorant of the law and fail to understand such a basic verdict.

Good thing you weren't on that jury.

@Youtube person - starting dumpster fires and threatening the guy who puts them out, before the CRIMINALS could roll it up to the gas pumps in a gas station, is NOT “interrupting a crime in progress?”

  YOU have SERIOUS logical, and factual issues...

@cjjj e - no, he did NOT “leave his home with a loaded rifle” NOR did his actions recorded earlier in the evening and up
to the attacks on him by criminals, display ANY “intent to use it”

  You are HORRIBLY mis informed on the sequence of actions and events.  I forgive you for that, to the extent that the MSM has been repeating outright lies about the case from the moment it happened.

I guess I'll just start cutting in front of cops in line at my local 7-11 :)

@N Lyne yuh cause it's normal to confront someone by sneaking up on them and shoving them lmfao

@Dynamo_0 the fact is he shouldn’t have been there with a weapon in the first place.

@Youtube person he didnt commit any crimes though

@Youtube person he didnt commit any crimes though

@Youtube person Rittenhouse isn't a vigilante, he was running away, a crowd of people chased him, and he defended himself. You can't say he put himself in that situation when he was literally running away from the situation. Running away from someone is about the most non threatening thing you can do to them

@OneManWolfPack i didn't mention anything about Rittenhouse in my comment. Nor was it mentioned in the original comment so where did that come from?

@zero8kira In the case of Kyle Rittenhouse the actual perpetrators testified that they did indeed threaten to take Kyle Rittenhouse's life within his earshot while on trial. They denied that fact on the media but they did admit it on trial.

@cjjj e well im not speculating im just stating the facts as they were layed forward in the case and going off of the evidence. You asking me for evidence that he didnt have certain intentions is asking me to prove a negative. Look up “burden of proof”, when you make a claim the burden to provide evidence is on you. Its not my job to disprove your claim, its your job to prove it. And yes he very well could have had a peaceful interaction with a rifle slung over his shoulder. Someone exercising their second amendment right is not evidence that they are looking for a fight.

@Josh Bowen and its solely your speculation that he didn't go there with the intentions of being violently confrontational, what other reason would he have for being right there right then with a loaded weapon on display? Do u think he wanted to have a friendly and peaceful conversation with a rifle slung over his shoulder? What were his intentions seeing as you're so sure it wasn't confrontation and violence?

@cjjj e well if you watched any of the case you’d know that he didnt cross state lines with the rifle (which isnt even a crime had he done so), his father lived and kenosha and kyle also worked in kenosha. Hes better than those violent felons because he wasnt committing felonies, and its solely your speculation that he went there with the intention of hurting anyone. He only shot people who were violently attacking him. Him being there with a weapon isn’t provocation, he has a constitutional right to be there with a firearm for his own protection. Please show me the evidence that he went there with the intention of shooting people. And again, possession of a firearm isn’t evidence of someone intending to shoot people.

@Josh Bowen so u agree that he left his home with a loaded rifle and crossed state lines with the intention to be violently confrontational, how does that make him any better than these "violent felons" when violence was his first and only resort/intention?

@cjjj e glad i amuse you. Can you tell me which of his points i didnt answer? And of course it wasnt a coincidence, if i were going to be in an area surrounded by violent felons i’d want a rifle too. I still dont see how that makes kyle the instigator in the situation. In my opinion you’re willfully ignorant.

I learned that point from Active Self Protection so so important that you are a sane level headed and do everything in your power to avoid confrontation and even when faced with verbal or physical confrontation that you just keep trying to apologise/ take it on the chin or keep trying to move away - better you let someone push you and you just get up and move away than resorting to lethal force - total Discredits the actual purpose of having it  which is only for true life or death scenarios

@N Lyne if you can confirm visually that the attacker has a knife/gun and ready to use it on you/someone else and there is a threat of loss of life then you can use your handgun. Otherwise it's walking on thin ice and you have to be ready all the time. You're right. It would be worth it to just carry a taser or something. I think anything but a gun would be easier to explain.

@Youtube person id argue theres nothing illegal or wrong about trying to stop or prevent the commission of a felony. I could argue that the aggressors shouldn’t have been there. Kyle Rittenhouse was there NOT committing crimes surrounded by people who WERE committing crimes. And he’s in the wrong in your opinion?

@Youtube person can you explain how you know that kyle rittenhouse intentionally put himself into a situation to use his weapon? Did he telepathically convince those men to attack him? Was it that he simply existed in the area with a gun? Do you know that it is legal to stop people who are actively committing a felony? So if someone is looting/rioting those are felony offenses, if you try to stop them you are 100% allowed to do so, and when they violently attack you then you’re allowed to protect yourself.

Then why even carry a weapon when confronting is like a necessity in the society we are in.

@Youtube person Well the criminal case wasn't about whether he should've been there or not, it was whether he used self defense in a legal manner which he did.

By the way, these two situations, Rittenhouse and this have absolutely nothing to do with each other besides the fact that someone used a gun and someone died.

Exactly. You certainly don't go out of your way to look for a confrontation.


The black guy was also wrong. Without even enquiring for a second about what's happening, he just push the man to the ground within one second just because the man was arguing with his wife? Who knows what's will happen if he didn't pull out his gun. Everyone commenting and justifying the black guy just because they don't want to sound racist? That's absurd. I'm not on the killer's side, he is guilty no doubt. But the guy who got shot was also definitely on the wrong.

@ethancx Fan Yes he is. He is not the victim until he got shot and died. He was the first abuser. Open your eyes!


Not saying this guy was justified but tbh this whole situation could’ve been avoided if they just parked legally and it’s even worse when you see all the available spaces they could’ve parked but all in all he shouldn’t have shot at that man

@Herbert West yeah but Drejka isn’t the one dead the point of my comment was to point out how that man could still be alive today had he just parked legally

@Chef dat boi rd 3 Drejka was parked illegally himself which is the ultimate irony of this whole thing 😂🤣

So it’s okay to park illegally as long as you’re telling someone else not to park illegally?

@Herbert West go watch the video footage. Your don’t have much of an argument here 😂

@Herbert West in one of the many<br>Open spaces available at that gas stations parking

@Herbert West in one of the many
Open spaces available at that gas stations parking

Remind me where Drejka parked again?!?!?


Revelation 19 After these things I heard as it were the voice of much people in heaven, saying: Alleluia. Salvation, and glory, and power is to our Lord God.

2 For true and just are his judgments, who hath judged the great harlot which corrupted the earth with her fornication, and hath revenged the blood of his servants, at her hands.

3 And again they said: Alleluia. And her smoke ascendeth for ever and ever.

4 And the four and twenty ancients, and the four living creatures fell down and adored Lord God that sitteth upon the throne, saying: Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out from the throne, saying: Give praise to our Lord God, all ye his servants; and you that fear him, little and great.

6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of great thunders, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord Godd our God the Almighty hath reigned.

7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give glory to him; for the marriage of the Lord God Lamb is come, and his wife hath prepared herself.

8 And it is granted to her that she should clothe herself with fine linen, glittering and white. For the fine linen are the justifications of saints.

9 And he said to me: Write: Blessed are they that are called to the marriage supper of the Lord God Lamb. And he saith to me: These words of Lord God are true.

10 And I fell down before his feet, to adore him. And he saith to me: See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren, who have the testimony of Jesus. Adore God. For the testimony of Lord God Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true, and with justice doth he judge and fight.

12 And his eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many diadems, and he had a name written, which no man knoweth but himself.

13 And he was clothed with a garment sprinkled with blood; and his name is called, THE WORD OF LORD GOD.

14 And the armies that are in heaven followed him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp two edged sword; that with it he may strike the nations. And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of Lord God the Almighty.

16 And he hath on his garment, and on his thigh written: KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that did fly through the midst of heaven: Come, gather yourselves together to the great supper of Lord God:

18 That you may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of tribunes, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all freemen and bondmen, and of little and of great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered together to make war with him that sat upon the horse, and with his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet, who wrought signs before him, wherewith he seduced them who received the character of the beast, and who adored his image. These two were cast alive into the pool of fire, burning with brimstone.

21 And the rest were slain by the sword of him that sitteth upon the horse, which proceedeth out of his mouth; and all the birds were filled with their flesh.


“On October 10, 2019, Drejka was sentenced to 20 years in prison with credit of 92 days for time served.He is imprisoned at Lancaster Correctional Institution, near Trenton, Florida, where he was attacked and reportedly wounded by another inmate on February 11, 2020.” Couldn’t find it in the comments so here ya go, great vid JCS

@[Todd disliked that] Sure hope you stretched before that reach. This guy literally murdered someone and had threatened 4 people prior with his gun. Did we watch the same video? The situation was over once he pulled his gun. No one had to lose their life. If you’re defending him, you’re sick.

@AlienInDisguise Imagine judging the person instead of looking at the situation itself. It's the same case with zimmerman where everyone just bitches about how much they hate him instead of looking at the actual self defense situation.

@MegaRagingBunny Imagine defending a murderer who had threatened 4 other people with his gun in similar situations prior to this one 🙃🙃🙃

Guess he doesn't win altercations without weapons, he is a coward.

@Jay Turn simple push he was thrown to the fucking ground, i hope you get these simple pushes every day :) Maybe will knock some sense in to you.

20 years ? This guy is very ego ,annoying .Thank you for sharing this btw

@Your husband is my boyfriend I think so they’re calling it “protective custody”

I'm glad  this guy is serving time
Because this guy has been looking for people  to shoot every day..he was not a cop why in hell
He was checking license plates for handicap plates or stickers.
Is not even his problem. He was just  stocking people

@Jay Turn I felt a bit guilty for that thought.

Thought: I bet he wish he had his gun.

@Jay Turn exactly! He's going to learn how to fight for real now 😆

@Nick Martin gotcha, thank you for the explanation. Ironic tho how his fear is what landed him into prison and then got him transferred essentially

But yes protective custody will move you too the close management unit aka segregation. 23 hour a day lockdown.

There really aren't maximum security prisons in Florida besides union ci and Florida state prison. It just means he was transferred to a prison away from his assailant. But once you are attacked in this manner, or if you are in fear for your life, you get moved to protective custody. Fear would move you to a different unit on the same compound, where as a serious attack will call for a transfer to another compound and being placed in a pc (protective custody) unit.

@Nick Martin is that solitary confinement or something? I’m green when it comes to these types of things.

He got hit with a lock now he's at Columbia annex


He was in the wrong because the assailant backed away yet he still shot. But there clearly are eased circumstances. The black guy shouldn't have pushed him to the ground.

Yes you are correct. This was the correct outcome of this case. This is one of the reasons why it is incredibly important to be trained and knowledgeable about the law in relation to firearms. I had to defend myself when my oldest son was a baby and in the heat of the moment you are very likely to make a wrong move if you are poorly trained which the suspect clearly was.


Some people should never carry. When the gun goes on, your ego goes off. Good riddance on both ends. Dude was advancing pulling his pants up until he saw his life was ending


I know they’re not criminals, but it would be interesting to do a similar type of analysis video on the psychology of a high profile defense attorney when they know their clients are guilty. His attorney was shaky as hell lol

I imagine they sleep pretty well, considering they're protecting a defendant's right to be presumed innocent unless proven guilty.  You know, that little idea that is the fundamental building block or American justice?

yeaaahh man that would be great. can't imagine they sleep at night

So, in speaking to some of them...they are trying to make sure the govt does their job and proves the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...it's not about if their client did it, it's about if the government can prove their client did it...


White dude murdered a black man over a parking spot, then was treated like a victim. Hope he gets what's coming to him

He did, 20 years without early parole. Eligible for for release at age 67. He was also terribley beaten in prison in 2020. Happy ending for him.


Why is his defense attorney Trump though 42:20


I would be scared to if a large man shoved me to the ground


"neutralize, negative" this guy thinks hes a character in call of duty and the cops are there to give him a medal

@Allison
There's a world of difference between treating someone with kid gloves and shoving them to the ground. McGlockton could've yelled "hey, get the fuck away from my wife and kids, you mall cop wannabe son of a bitch motherfucker" and that would be been an ultimately better option than what he did. Even the prosecutor stated an argument could be made that Drejka had every right to pull his gun at that moment. This doesn't excuse shooting McGlockton once he had clearly started to back up, obviously.

There needs to be better training when it comes to firearms. I believe Drejka genuinely thought he was in the right. That's why he was so forthcoming with the police, and why he failed to speak with an attorney first. There's a great deal of responsibility when it comes to owning a firearm, and Drejka clearly failed to display any responsibility here.

It’s white knighting. Just having a gun makes people think they are some kind of vigilante, above the law, despite no training. It’s the “good guy with the gun mentality” and it’s dangerous

Jhon Famo yes, what happened to honor? You’re never supposed to shoot an unarmed man! He could have just called the police if it bothered his so badly that they were in a handicapped space. It’s not his job to enforce the law.

@some dude he never saw his holster side. no way he could have known he was armed before he pushed him

@some dude he is using jargon which is usually done to signal your membership in a group. Calling a stipulation a stip is gonna signal to people that you are a lawyer or some sort of legal professional. If you are actually just a dude who watches lots of legal dramas then you're just a dork.

Same goes with him and his use of militaryaw enforcement jargon.

@Johnny sack Wouldn't have even made local headlines since he wasn't a police officer. Doesn't fit their narratives.

@Allison If an armed stranger is yelling at someone, and you assault him, you've fucked up. Because this is what could happen.

There's a word that people need to learn: "deescalation." No one seems capable of it any more, and so we see people getting killed over incredibly petty matters because people appear to feel obliged to take things a step up and make matters worse rather than try to calm people down.

This is foolish, dangerous behavior that needs to stop. If someone is yelling, you need to try to calm them down. Attacking them is the very definition of escalation. Stop it.

@Blkeclipse L I can appreciate the thought process behind what you are saying all except for the last paragraph. Drejka was criticized for not making a verbal warning before firing and yet McGlockton isn't, if McGlockton had called out for instance before causing a violent situation I can't say for certain things would have gone different but I believe it would be more likely. At the end of the day I can not agree with Drejka firing the weapon, but I cannot agree with saying he needlessly accosted people. From the video you can see he didn't take an aggressive stance when speaking to the woman and was said to be a very calm man be people who knew him. No one likes being corrected, which is why I really have to assume the reports of him "accosting" other drivers is exaggerated. I think Drejka was demonized far more than was earned and the sentence they are after is extreme. But I do think it is a good teachable story for people who would like to carry a weapon, fire only when you think a life is at risk if you don't.

And the united states of america is the only place on earth that gives these people the right to carry a fucking gun at all times.

@Squid Lounge : Accost: to approach and address (someone) boldly or aggressively.  I'd say that's an adequate word to describe his actions .

How is it that you can say Accost isn't the right term but in the same sentence you acknowledge that he was known to "Confront" people ? Confront: to meet (someone) face to face with hostile or argumentative intent.

I am a legal gun owner with a CWP.  People like him are the reason why things that go without saying has to be taught in course. Such as carrying a firearm does not give you the clearance to needlessly insert yourself into a situation that may force you to have to use your weapon much less become a provocateur to incite altercation.

He has confirmed that he had no hand to hand combat skills and that he's never been in a fight a day in his life.  If he wasn't carrying - he wouldn't have been so bold as to "confront" strangers over public parking. Thus making him more inclined to use a deadly weapon. Which means he knew exactly what he was doing and what could come of it in the event someone challenged his self appointed authority . In short if you can't fight for shit - don't go around starting it . A gun doesn't give you the right to be billy badass - It comes with serious responsibilities and serious consequences.

How you could commend such nonsense is beyond me . From a legal standpoint - Mr. McGlockton shouldn't have pushed him. However I can understand why he did and at the end of the day it made no difference when the judge handed down Drejka's sentencing . When a man sees a random stranger shouting at his woman in the presence of his children it's completely plausible that he will perceive him as a threat and no one knows how a man will react when he thinks you're threatening his family.

some dude yeah it’s just totally normal to talk like that. I’m sure it has nothing to do with him larping as the armed protector of a food store, desperately waiting for that one moment in his life where he would finally be able to shoot someone.

@Blkeclipse L I don't think accosting is the right term, he was known to confront people parking in inappropriate places which on the one hand I can commend for the fact that I have had friends and family greatly inconvenienced by inconsiderate people taking the parking designated for those who need while on the other hand I don't think Michael should have been the "Parking Lot Vigilante" he was acting as. I think the prosecutions last statement was the most apt, he was right the brandish the weapon but not to discharge it. The man took it way to far by throwing Michael to the ground, that was over the top and my initial reaction if I were in that position would be that he wanted to seriously injure me. I don't think you can reasonably defend his actions by saying "he didn't know he was armed". And the only thing I could think of the whole time they debated the steps forward was that Michael likely had whiplash from being thrown to the ground thus impairing his perception of the situation.

@some dude If an armed stranger is yelling at my wife for seemingly no reason, and my young children are in the car, I think I'd be justified to push him out of the way. Plus, this guy was WAITING for someone to "assault" him. He wanted to fire that weapon. He admits himself that he carried a firearm because he would do things like this all the time. Guys like this look for excuses to "be the hero".

@some dudeso is accosting strangers over public parking on multiple occasions . He knew his actions could provoke people which is why he carried a firearm. He said so himself in the video.

Also im pretty sure the victim didn't know he was armed until after he pushed him away from his woman and kids. Hence why he backed away.

@Jhon Famo assaulting someone who's armed is a mistake.

Its a whole culture...breeding for centuries. Its got to stop. This is murder.

@1 2 he was using technical terms that are actually used.


I feel so sorry for that sweet baby, he had to see his dad drop dead in front of him. The audacity of this man to play victim when he started it is astounding.

But it’s HIS store smh this guy was pissing me off.

@Sherab Thomey wow so deep and thought provoking......

One minor violence can lead to bigger violence.

It is extremely sad. The guy definitely did not deserve to die. Unfortunately, this sad tale reinforces something I believe in: Always think twice before laying your hands on people on the street. You can be morally in the right. But you can never tell if someone is a crazy with a gun.
A scumbag parks in a handicapped zone. Another scumbag takes issue with it being wrong and/or illegal and mouths off to the lady in the car. Mr. Outraged runs up and physically accosts Drejka.
And, in this case, the guy attacked pulled out a gun and killed him. Doesn't matter what the right and wrong was when you're dead.


His use of terms like "neutralize" and that one about force that I can't remember is so hilarious, like he thinks he's speaking the cop's language

Cop language or military language. He sounds like someone who has delusions of being in some kind of armed organisation. He reminds me a bit of that Jeremy Whateverhisnameis who is a serial police impersonator.

@Caleb Ale Drejka also says "expired" instead of "died".

“I can’t fight that’s why I need a force multiplier”

Hes the kind of guy who wanted join the military but was denied. Wannabe Veteran.

A cop wouldn't say the word neutralize.This guy saw too many movies.

Was thinking the exact same thing.  "Holstered my weapon"  "altercation"  "21 foot rule"  he's trying to gain the respect of the police by using their terminology.  The guy watches too many cop shows...

He calls his gun a "force multiplier" and the cops mock him for it

Ya, seems like he was playing like he was a cop.

He does it to dehumanize his victim. “Neutralize” in place of murder. “Threat” instead of anything to say he killed another man. Considering how calm he is talking about ending someone’s life over a handicap spot shows how effective it was for him. It’s honestly crazy how much time he has to discern that this man is no longer a threat. Considering how much he pats himself on the back for beings so “firearm trained”


This guy was just looking for a fight. There was absolutely no justification for this shooting. So they were illegally parked, the video says that Drejka was also illegally parked. Man, the confrontation over a handicap placard is just stupid. I’m glad he got 20 years for this. That man should have never lost his life over something so trivial.

You mean the black guy who went physical for no reason?

@Da Boy Why go down to the comment section before watching the video?

@Da Boy I- A man died, you know, I dont think you should be upset you got spoiled.

@Da Boy I know for a fact you didn’t just say that


He was just looking for an excuse to use his pistol. Just because someone pushes you and takes several steps back doesn’t mean they deserve to die.

@EPIC Films 4 life Premeditated in a legal sense could mean you took 2 seconds to decide to kill someone.

@EPIC Films 4 life Premeditated in a legal sense could mean you took 2 seconds to decide to kill someone.

@Jarrad Pechie She's obviously obsessed and bias to some extend. You were talking to me but she felt the need to respond. She seems emotionally invested too. Sad.

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge Your arguments are weak tbh. The blatant bias your showing(and we all know why) is incredible. Words aren't violence no matter how you spin it. Shouting, loud speaking etc none of it's violence. I live in a country that would call out the mother's incredible ignorance and arrogance. That's the first mistake in this story. I can already tell you won't look at this objectively purely because of skin color. The first, FIRST...act of violence was by the father. You don't get to put your hands on someone because of words. Yes, to some extend I disagree with the subsequent response but let's not get it twisted who started and escalated the situation.

Maybe stick to your rice a Roni hair tutorials

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge I have let it go. I wasn't replying to you. I'm not going to bother with someone who thinks repeating the same nonsense over and over means they've won.

@Jarrad Pechie and yet you could not form a a better argument. Let it go friend.

@Jarrad Pechie and yet you could not form a a better argument. Let it go friend.

@Jarrad Pechie sigh. I have already admitted all the acts of aggression led to greater acts. This is circular and ridiculous.

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge you are incapable of admitting that Marquis was in the wrong for pushing him. Yelling at someone- and we don't even know if he was yelling- isn't a crime, and responding to it with physical violence IS a crime. This nonsense tale that you're trying to spin of the man being outside of the control of his faculties and therefore excused of his role is fantasy. Even the prosecutor said that Drejka was justified in DRAWING his gun, which an intelligent person would only be to conclude would be because he was unexpectedly attacked for no good reason. Drejka did nothing illegal or warranting of physical violence until he pulled the trigger.

@Jarrad Pechie if you weren't blinded by your own bias you would realize I have agreed with you that aggression leads to escalation. The shooter aggressively yelled. His push led to the escalation of aggression, the shot. Ahh he wasn't a boy Jarrad, he was man.

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge I know you're desperate to illustrate that your boy did no wrong. We all know why, it's all good.

@Jarrad Pechie by no definition of the word aggression does that make any sense. No human would take that as a sign of aggression. Which is a “readiness to attack or confront” according to modern dictionaries 😂😂 you really are terrible at this. A person can commit a crime against the State, never in U.S history has any lawyer or judge said “This person committed aggression against the State” 😂😂😂Nice job ignoring my other question. Why you you think that about me ?. Let's leave it here buddy ✌🏽

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge actually the initial act of aggression was the woman parking in a handicap spot. In cases where the law is broken and there is no material victim, the state is held as the victim, therefore she committed an act of aggression against the state. Regardless, Marquis was the initiator of violence. A needless escalation of the situation that cost him his life because he was unable to control himself. Sad.

@Jarrad Pechie you admitted that yelling was an act of aggression. Therefore making the shooter the initial aggressor. It's amusing watching you tiptoe around what you want to say. Why would you believe I'm okay with “Talk shit get hit?”. After I've blatantly said I think aggressive actions led to other aggressive acts, after I've said I found it stupid to do so. What a curious assumption 🤔

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge I didn't ever say he was the initial aggressor. Initializing a disagreement isn't in and of itself aggressive, and it in no way justifies assault. If Drejka hadn't have shot his attacker, he could have easily pressed charges on him.

@Jarrad Pechie wrong. My argument and your argument are one and the same. Being aggressive is stupid and should be avoided, as it leads to situations like this. We agree. You are just so biased that even though you admit the murderer was the initial aggressor you refuse to apply the logic to him as well.

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge and let's be real clear here: your argument is basically "talk shit get hit," which is not exactly surprising to me. Wonder where you'd land if there was a little bit of role reversal in this situation.

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge lol gloat all you want. Your argument is based on humans lacking the ability to reason and therefore somehow excusing them from culpability. It's absurd and flimsy.

@Jarrad Pechie and that kids is how you use someone’s logic against them 😂😂

@Jarrad Pechie and that kids is how you use someone’s logic against them 😂😂

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge my logic is based on the law. If you feel any differently, I encourage you to start shoving anyone who raises their voice and see hiw that works out for you.

@Jarrad Pechie there are millions of cases that prove humans reason terribly pretty often 😂 this case is one of them.

We weren't talking about the law though, were we? The law was already used to decide the case. The murderer was convicted. We were talking about your logic, your argument. And you have just admitted that the victim was not the initial aggressor. All the other acts were a result of that initial aggression. Therefore the surest way to avoid this all would have been for the murderer to not have acted aggressively in the first place.

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge so you're saying that humans are no better than animals with regard to the ability to reason? Yelling may be an aggressive act, but even in the eyes of the law it doesn't by itself present a clear and present danger for which you're authorized to assault someone.

@Jarrad Pechie animals tend to respond instinctually when meeting aggression. Even humans. Do you deny that yelling is a sign of aggression? (a quick google search will show that psychologists say it is). If not, then based on your logic above, the shooter was the initial aggressor and thus began the unnecessary cycle of aggression. No, but we can ask the gunman, I bet he wishes he’d never become aggressive with that woman

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge pitbulls don't understand complex ideas or emotions that humans can employ to resolve conflict. Not an apt comparison. All Marquis had to do is walk up and say "Whoa what's the problem here man?" and I guarantee Drejka would have tucked tail and ran or at least calmed his tone. Instead he immediately resorted to physical violence and got killed. It's too bad that we can't ask him if it was worth it.

@Jarrad Pechie as a final note, we are actually making the same point. I would just like you to apply that same logic to the gunman. Nonphysical aggression is well studied in the social psychology of mammals. Verbal aggression is one of the most common types in most mammals. Imagine for a moment a pit bull is in front of you growling and barking, you would take that as a sign of aggression. You might believe he is ready to attack you. Perhaps you might even attempt to strike it as a response or some other way to chase it away...

@Jarrad Pechie well, then I supposed that's where I have to leave the conversation. You think of it as mere “bitching” to me it was a sign of aggression. And with any sign of aggression, you never know if the other guy will take it to a ten. Ppl violate minor traffic laws all the time it doesn't mean you get to display signs of aggression towards them.

@UltimateRiceWater Challenge I have a hard time calling someone who bitches somebody out for parking in a handicap spot a "vigilante." Any of that aside, he was totally in the wrong for shooting a retreating man and the jury reflected that. It's already a non-variable that doesn't need highlighting. My comment was based on the fact that shoving someone to the ground over a verbal confrontation might just end your life, which I don't think is being examined enough. Like it or not, Marquis was the initial aggressor in this situation. People have public disagreements with strangers all the time. It doesn't give you license to go around shoving people.

@Jarrad Pechie It's weird bc your same logic applies to the murderer. You should never approach strangers and yell/ become aggressive with them bc you don't know if they will become violent. That's the problem with vigilantes. Seeing someone commit a minor traffic violation shouldn't lead to you confronting and screaming at a random stranger. Had he not done two lives and two families would have been saved.

@vocal procrastinating premeditated means planned my guy

@vocal procrastinating premeditated means planned my guy

@Yuki Amano I did watch the video. Regardless of his history, the husband had no indication that he was going to do anything other than just gripe.

@Jarrad Pechie yeah you should always think twice before getting physical with a stranger because you don't know if they have a weapon.

@Jarrad Pechie I think it’s pretty obvious that he shouldn’t have pushed the guy, but i think we all agree it’s very obvious the guy took it to a whole new level of escalation by pulling out a gun.

@vocal procrastinating yeah I never once implied it was justified. But it does go to show that you'd be better off taking a second to make sure it's worthwhile before you assault someone for yelling. Right or wrong between either of them, that guy wound up shot. There were several ways either party could have de-escalated that situation and they both failed at every opportunity.

Also, you apparently don't understand what premeditated means.

@Jarrad Pechie being pushed after inciting an argument doesn't warrant premeditated murder

If you have someone at gun point and then after a few seconds decide to shoot that's a sign you're a psychopath.

@gay renaissance ok, so he was yelling. So what? Raising your voice isn't assault and it doesn't warrant physical violence.

@Jarrad Pechie they weren't just talking, a strange man was yelling at his wife and kids and he reacted to protect them

I agree. However, the other lesson to learn here is that you shouldn't assault people who are just talking.


He is so proud of what he did.  Manslaughter is ridiculous! The victim retreated and he murdered the  man after being pushed. The guy should not have pushed him, but he didn't deserve to die behind it.

@Greigames I think the maximum sentence is 30 years so he’d be 80+

@Alex Burke plus he was already nearing 50 at the time of the shooting. Not sure how much time he’s got left after he gets out

Murder charges are a lot harder to prove because they’d have to prove premeditation. He still got 20 years and manslaughter charges were a slam dunk case vs murder charges.