If I came out of the store and someone was screaming at my wife like that, I would do the same thing. The guy didn't deserve to die for standing up for his wife.

@clive henry I wouldn't say condone. He shouldn't have done it, but I understand. The video doesn't have audio, but considering what we know about the guy, what do you think he was saying? I imagine he was being quite threatening. Plus the woman was sitting in the car, he was standing there. It would have been obvious to the victim that this guy approached the vehicle to yell at her. They also weren't on equal ground. Even if we aren't conscious of it, we read someone sitting down as passive, when someone else is standing during a conversation. The standing person has a great advantage if an altercation becomes physical. Plus this was a total stranger.<br>Put it all together, the man came across as a threat. Sure, the victim SHOULD have told the guy to back off first. But I think it's understandable if his instincts took over seeing a threat to his children, and their mother.

@clive henry I wouldn't say condone. He shouldn't have done it, but I understand. The video doesn't have audio, but considering what we know about the guy, what do you think he was saying? I imagine he was being quite threatening. Plus the woman was sitting in the car, he was standing there. It would have been obvious to the victim that this guy approached the vehicle to yell at her. They also weren't on equal ground. Even if we aren't conscious of it, we read someone sitting down as passive, when someone else is standing during a conversation. The standing person has a great advantage if an altercation becomes physical. Plus this was a total stranger.
Put it all together, the man came across as a threat. Sure, the victim SHOULD have told the guy to back off first. But I think it's understandable if his instincts took over seeing a threat to his children, and their mother.

@clive henry Unless I’m mistaken, witnesses said that the shouting match got pretty heated. And the man’s kids were in the car as well.

I wouldn’t commend it, but I wouldn’t condemn a guy for reacting like that.

@emordnilaP you condone pushing someone like that for a verbal dispute ?

If it were just his wife in the car, I'ld say he was being overprotective.  But with the kids.... I really can't blame the guy.

Foolish! Both of these men overreacted to the entire situation.

Homie just had to confront whoever was parked there.. smh. And there was absolutely no need for the father to escalate the situation by shoving the guy to the ground.

When you live in a state like Florida, you gotta know what's up! In a "stand your ground" state, shoving someone like that could very likely lead to you taking your last breath.. When people like to shoot first then ask questions later, it leads to people losing their lives over trivial nonsense.

Some shit just isn't worth fighting/arguing over. I mean a damn parking spot! This man/father lost his life over a damn parking spot.

Foolish! Both of these men overreacted to the entire situation.

Homie just _had to_ confront whoever was parked there.. smh. And there was absolutely no need for the father to escalate the situation by shoving the guy to the ground.

When you live in a state like Florida, you gotta know what's up! In a "stand your ground" state, shoving someone like that could very likely lead to you taking your last breath.. When people like to shoot first then ask questions later, it leads to people losing their lives over trivial nonsense.

Some shit just isn't worth fighting/arguing over. I mean a damn parking spot! This man/father lost his life over a damn parking spot.

You got 5 seconds to look at the guy and size him up as your walk to him,if he's twice your size you'll push him over still but then what ?


He definitely failed the psych eval when he tried to join the army out of high school and has never gotten over it.

@Chris Brooks I would never ever bet my life on that...<br> leaving a gun on a table loaded and cocked for a year also does not seem like a smart thing to do, but I get your point

@Chris Brooks I would never ever bet my life on that...
 leaving a gun on a table loaded and cocked for a year also does not seem like a smart thing to do, but I get your point

@Chris Brooks YOU cannot be serious, how many people are killed in gun accidents every year.eg, cleaning, hair triggers.......?
"you sound authoritarian saying people don’t need power." ...really?
ordinary people
 may say they WANT power, only an authoritarian would claim he NEEDS power.
I'll LEAVE IT TO YOU TO WORK OUT WHY YOUR 1ST STATEMENT IS EVEN MORE FALLACIOUS THAN THE OTHER TWO!

@Hermes ah you think that being diagnosed with a mental illnes means automatically that you are violent and/or a criminal
Or is that just how you see those with a mental illnes.
Damn. I got diagnosed 7 separate times for being violent and/or a criminal then...

Santiago oliva you sound authoritarian saying people don’t need power.

Santiago oliva you obviously don’t do your research. Once guns are gone there is always a spike in every other weapon category because if people want to kill they will find ways to kill.

@Michael Sieber Never said i told them, ju said i had it

@fox23vaj if you say you have depression that's an automatic disqualification

My friend had the same thing happened to him

@Santiago oliva Hyperbole, as in how easy the psych eval is to pass.

@fox23vaj bro my god, are you serious or was that hyperbole? like was your psych eval actually done by your recruiter???

Joined the Marine Corps with depression and full spectrum ADHD, you'd have to be stark raving mad to fail a military psych eval, like 'straight jacket' crazy. The psych eval doc is basically your recruiter.

@Hermes my Sweet Jesus, I was done with you honestly but now... So you sent a link to CDC which im sure you didnt even fully read, if you did then didnt understand, because it proves me more on the right than yourself. then you post a link to an opinion piece based on a REPUBLICAN rep from New york state that has since been  voted out of office now that trump people arent the majority. last but not least you send a link to a sketchy PDF that wont even load... buddy, youre part of the problem whether you want to admit it or not

@Hermes Human evolution and societies struggles have always stemmed from greed and hatred, both things synonymous with Gun and Gun violence, you not willing to hear people out even if thats not your experience is beyond saving, this VERY STUPID. like I said, whether you believe your nonsense or you know the problem and are a part/dont want to fix it, just shows your character.

@Santiago oliva and hence the people who purchase weapons from them are getting them illegally all your doing is proving my point doesn’t matter if they get them 3rd party they are still getting them illegally plus most people who get illegal firearms are getting them made for them illegally most are not buying them 3rd party this makes it harder to track because there is no serial number attached to the gun because a factory never made it hence a ghost gun

@Hermes but let me blow your mind. That stat saying most crime is done by illegally obtained guns... where were those guns originally purchased? Look it up, that stat includes guns bought in one state, and sold in another, not from a black market or anything like that, but people you wouldnt normally label as criminals. Say ex army vets that were dishonorably discharged? LoL Brother, youre so far gone you cant see and thats cute

@Hermes oh and where do you get your fake stats? And do you really believe them? And are you delusional enough to think stats you cant fact check will convince anyone with more than 1 brain cell? I would go on but there are too many holes in what you say to care

@Santiago oliva I have multiple guns I’m in the army and I use guns all the time guns has never been a problem of the US, criminals have. I understand if u can stop someone from committing a crime that’s a good thing I get it but when u categories a whole group of people as criminals and strip them of their rights just because they seem like they are high risk that’s a minority report now I’m not saying people with server metal illnesses should be allowed to own a gun I believe they shouldn’t I’m saying a psych eval isn’t a good way to keep guns from potential criminals especially if most criminals disregard the law in the first place and get guns illegally. Most gun crime is done with illegal weapons anyways. In California 99% of all gun crime is done with illegal weapons psych eval won’t keep criminals from committing crimes with guns

@Santiago oliva the problem with that is then u are creating a minority report calling people criminals when they haven’t committed a crime. So keeping someone from having a gun just cus they seem like a violent person but they never committed a violent act in their life would be a minority report

maybe thats why gun ownership and permits need to have psych evalutions too, I dont get america and im one of them ugh

I never took a psych eval lmaoooo idk maybe u meant ASVAP but that has nothing to do with testing someone’s mental state more intelligence

@ioiaxopanel I don't know if the army uses a different test, but a regular psychological evaluation is over 500 questions long and fucking sucks.

@ioiaxopanel a psych evaluation is where a pyschiatrist/psychologist determines the person's mental state, like if they have any mental illnesses that could interfere with serving or if they have homicidal ideation or sociopathic tendencies. It's to weed out recruits whose mental state isn't stable enough to serve.

Idk if Americans see this the same way, but as an outsider this here seems like a clear case of racism gone way too wild.

@Crime League what does race have to do with it ?

has anyone ever heard the saying, "I ain't a killer but don't push me"?

No he's calm the whole time. He was pissed because he got pushed down hence he shot him.

@ioiaxopanel I think Psychiatrist Evaluation? Like they do a physical one, a mental one, an emotional one... or probably theres only 2, physical and psych evaluation.<br>I dont know, I've never took it but I think that's what it is meant.

@ioiaxopanel I think Psychiatrist Evaluation? Like they do a physical one, a mental one, an emotional one... or probably theres only 2, physical and psych evaluation.
I dont know, I've never took it but I think that's what it is meant.


He still thinks he’s right. Wouldn’t even say he would have chosen to just mind his own business.


This guy was such a turd man.. doing what he did was one thing and just downright horrible.. (while illegally parked in the middle of the street btw)…but the guy literally pulled a gun on 4 other occasions.  Including an instance against a woman with two children.. this guy was out of control and an absolute freak.


All he had to do is mind his own business....


You can tell that during his reenactment, he was reliving his emotions. Delusional old man...


Fascinating to watch this guy gleefully provide more and more damning facts against himself because he’s certain he did everything perfectly and that the cops are on his side. “Oh no he was further away than that, keep backing up.” “No I didn’t say a word to him and he didn’t say a word to me.”

@Timmy Vawwter They both ended up in prison because they used a gun to settle a problem that if they hadn’t had a gun would have resulted in angry words. Both men were busy bodies who took matters into their own hands because they felt strong and brave because they had guns.

@Vitorruy1 Well, the video told people everything they need to know. The interrogation just made all the defense arguments weak. I mean the defense actually told the jurors to discount the video because it wasn’t uncompressed, high definition television.

“If Mr. Draco hadn’t pulled a gun, what would have happened to him.” Uh… his feelings would be hurt, he’d have some bruises and feel humiliated, and he could have called the cops and have the other guy arrested for assault. Instead, he murdered a guy because he got hurt after confronting a woman in a car with her children. How would the same guy reacted if he found some black (or white) guy confronting his wife at their car containing his kids?

@E Riv FR. Timmy is the kind of guy who would probably do the same thing as Mike and expect to be treated like a hero by the cops.  Some ppl rlly need to have a reality check lmfao.

Aloydius Devander Abercrombie If you “bullshit” you mean absolute undeniable FACT then yea you bet 🤦♂😂🤣

In this case, as well as in the Michael Dunn case, it all starts with this class of people who think that they are entitled to break the law.

in this case it was the selfish woman who parked illegally (in a handicapped spot), and in the Michael Dunn story, the thugs blasting music in close proximity of others trying to mind their own lives, but can't due to these people who have NO place in civilized society.   And, when others try to defend themselves, or try to ask the miscreants to stop breaking the law (i.e. illegal parking, illegal noise violation), they are the ones who end up in prison.   Society in these here United States of America, has become unbearable over time, due to this unfortunate evolution of society into one where one particular class of people makes life miserable for others

Face of someone who wanted to cash in his “while male privilege” card. Thankfully justice won.

@E Riv Yes. It was. Astute observation.<br>But that matters little, seeing as how old boy is still just as dead now as he was then.

@E Riv Yes. It was. Astute observation.
But that matters little, seeing as how old boy is still just as dead now as he was then.

CharlieTheTexan Well his “feeling” was absolutely incorrect now wasn’t it?

That's still within 21 feet, so... he felt he was right.

Doing the interrogator's job for him lmao.


so many issues in this world could be avoided if people just minded their own business.


“I’ve never been in that situation before” Like he didn’t put himself in that situation.


Are detectives always on the side of the prosecution, even when the suspect's guilt is not certain? This question doesn't specifically relate to this case since there is video evidence and he is clearly guilty. But I'm just wondering since it seems like the detectives often assume the suspect is guilty and lead the questions in a way that will trick them into saying self-incriminating things. I feel like even an innocent person would fall victim to their clever tactics.

They dig towards what they suspect to be true in order to prove it. I think that in a more complicated case they would be pressing multiple people simultaneously.


I was fine up until the actual shooting.
While yes his argument with the lady wasn't necessary, he wasn't doing much wrong when the father pushed him. At that point the man pulled his gun, in this scenario, i say it would be necessary. But only to get them away.
By that point the father was backing up as soon as he saw the weapon as the video shows, he backed up, stood still and was shot or turned to his right and was shot. By that time there is no danger to the man, the father didn't have a gun, a knife, he was standing still, not advancing. He even backed up once he saw the gun.
Originally i thought "Self defense". But the video, thankfully there was one, shows that self defense was taken a step too far and turned into murder.

I think the same thing. The guy lost any claim to self-defense the moment he opened fire on him as at that point, he's the aggressor

Not murder, he could have had a gun and was turning to conceal his own draw. If he didn't want to get shot, he should have just stood there with hands up.


Ironically, that defense lawyer was arrested for pushing his ex-wife to the ground and kicking her. Not a joke.

@PotawatomiThunderNew He 1000% was in the right to draw it. He was assaulted. Just shouldnt have fired till he was sure the attack was going to continue.

@yuun paan don’t take my previous comment as me defending the guy. I was speaking generally. I think this guy was 100% in the wrong and I don’t think the situation called from him to even draw his gun, let alone fire it.

@Manly Man'yo that doesn’t justify killing someone

@yuun paan this hypothetical and speaks volumes about your world perception as well as racial profiling. Were this a white woman shoving him, an obese mother perhaps, she would have the same capability but I doubt he'd shoot her. Studying forensic psyche, we have to perceive all angles of actions and behaviors (especially hypothetical) and figure out what was the turning point of escalation. Go back to school, bro. It's worth it.

@Evan Brackney People have killed others plenty of times for far less than cheating before. So you definitely should be allowed to defend yourself whatever it may take. Especially because I would assume there would be a physical power imbalance as he's a dude and she's a woman. She likely didn't have any other option to defend herself other than a weapon.

@Manly Man'yo Cheating is not a criminal offense. Beating the shit out of people is. Get yourself a divorce not your ex-wife (I'd assume by now) broken bones.

Ironic. My problem with defense lawyers in these cases is they'll get you to embellish things, to try and justice a killing.

@PotawatomiThunderNew Yes absolutely being on the ground leaves you open to being stepped on the neck, they can kick your sides and puncture your lungs etc. But that still is only possible if they charge towards you. There is a gap they need to close to be able to do those things to do. He already had his gun aimed and pointed at the guy before the guy even stepped backwards. There was no aggressive movement. He was literally retreating before the shot was fired. He had time to meditate on the thought of shooting a retreating target. It was simply not logically or legally able to be considered self defense.

@Si74l0rd Unless you get kicked by Mirko Cro Cop. Ever hear of "right kick hospital, left kick cemetery" ??? 🤣

@yuun paan I’m not exactly saying you’re wrong here, but I don’t entirely agree with that. I think being on the ground is a justifiable reason to feel threatened enough to defend yourself, and a somewhat justifiable reason to even fear for your life. But I think the lethality of being in that position comes from the possibility of being kicked, but instead from the possibility of getting your head stomped on. You can crush a person’s skull doing that. And even if it wasn’t enough to kill you, that kinda shit can induce seizures.

@Sweet Willy that being said the wife and the man in the video are very different this guy was clearly eager to kill someone

@Sweet Willy gotta agree with them though if I got shoved to the ground by an adult male and kicked around gonna do what it takes to stop that even if its lethal

@yuun paan you on ever comment thread in here being a degen to defend the wrong side. I love it

@Si74l0rd Stupid way to think, if you're getting kicked on the ground you are 100% clear to defend yourself with lethal force. People get killed all the time from getting kicked in the sides.

Do you have an article or anything that proves this I would like to read it so I can laugh at him

She didn't shoot him though, because she knew that although a kicking sucks, it probably won't kill you. Lol.


This has been seen before. The person who is in the wrong, threatening someone, is confronted by someone who is trying to "save" or protect the other person, and then the initial threatener shoots the savior, saying he was the one who was being attacked. Wow.


"Negative"
"Force Multiplier"
"Neutralize the immediate threat"
What are you, Buzz Lightyear?


Why this guy felt the need to enforce parking over someone pulling into a handicap for a min or two idk. Not that serious & a life didn’t need to be loss. In the heat of the moment emotions take control not your mind if that makes sense. So both ppl acted out of anger without any thought


To assume a racial motive for an allegation of murder obviously amounts to a corruption of law enforcement proceedings. In reality there is absolutely no evidence of such a motive, according to the facts alone. To suggest otherwise is simply irrelevant; the psychologist who interviewed the defendant in prison, mentioning Al Sharpton hearing about the case, was clearly baiting therefore making a mockery of the US legal system.
Besides this, the law of technicalities in potentially life or death situations is just overboard. I see people here say fights always happen and it's hardly ever assumed it should turn into a fatality, but the problem with that is:
1) unsuspected assault against an unknown person is not your classical, mouth to fists altercation between friends or acquaintances, in your everyday conventional human social settings.
2) In an environment of generally high rates of violent crime, it is reasonable to believe no manner of aggressive based assault can be deemed "safe" or non-dangerous by any stretch of the imagination.
The wider issue here is why there is such high rates of violent crime in a society, altogether.


This definitely the kinda guy who has a hard on for cops but never got into police school

Imagine the shit he would do with the badge. He would be the most hated cop in the unit. Most corrupt as well, judging by his "wave the gun this is GTA" behavior.

i mean thats true but we are the ones watching this channel haha

I thought this comment said he was hard for cops but i wouldnt put it past that guy

And it’s easy to get on the force lol<br>Well it seems

And it’s easy to get on the force lol
Well it seems

@Sarah F right, because criminals are generally innocent.

@Simren 72 I mean he clearly doesn’t need the badge to kill it just helps to avoid any responsibility when they do 😂🙃

And thank God too 😣 I hate to think of all the people he'd be hurting


Seemed like the moment he got pushed, he was thinking to himself "finally my moment has come" and shot that man to death.. sad really, what a snack stop at the gas station can turn into


Who the F has the right to shoot someone because their gf was parked in a handicapped spot. I hope this man gets what he deserves! No one gets to play God

Who the F has the right to push someone because they were simply telling a woman not to park in the handicap spot?


That prosecutor mixed the two men's names up like four times at the end there lol


20 years for manslaughter over a parking spot that you didn’t even need to use. Two major lessons here: don’t push people because you might get shot and killed. And don’t meddle in petty trivial matters that don’t concern you because you might serve 20 years of your life for absolutely no good reason. Stupid and avoidable.

A stranger was yelling at the mother of the victim’s children. I’d be sure that in a similar situation you’d have done the same as him

Or don't have a gun if you can't fight and yt people need to mind their business and worry about themselves.


Even if you’re innocent ask for an attorney. I can’t understand why anyone questioned by the police wouldn’t request legal council.

@Appie Bear  <br>TIPICAL CRIMINAL MENTALITY!

This!!!! Regardless if you did a crime or not, always consult with a lawyer before giving a statement!

@kindgrinds  Please explain to me, how would a lawyer explain away with CCTV footage, it shows that he shot the guy when that guy was down on the ground.

@Xiaomin L Feador A lawyers job is infinitely easier if you haven't just ratted on yourself to the cops, honestly I  think this being Florida a good lawyer could have got him off even with the CCTV footage.

@Sparrow Cunningham yep this is entirely legal, you should just answer any questions with 'no comment' until legal representation arrives.

HOW would a lawyer help in this case?  With the cops had the video of the shooting?  ... When he fired that shot, that dumbass pretty much burned that "pleading the fifth" bridge.

Let's say that he claimed "i shot him in self-defense", then lawyered up right away, and say not one word to the cops.

With any reasonble jury, what do you think the verdict would be?

He might have been able to avoid prison if he'd shut up and asked for a lawyer

JCS already showed at least one case explaining why the lawyer up thing is not always the best thing to do. I think one of the reasons is pretty clear: guilty people don't wanna look guilty. I'm pretty sure that also happens when innocent people are questioned, although I think those tend to exercise their right for legal counsel more often, especially if they think cops are trying to frame them for whatever reason. But here's the thing I don't understand: I see comments like this in a lot of JCS videos, and I don't understand why, since showing and explaining investigator's techniques designed to, among other things, prevent a suspect from asking for a lawyer is one of the main focus of every single video in this channel.

A self righteous feeling of doing no wrong, for some people asking for a lawyer admits guilt with reasoning like "why would I need a lawyer if I'm innocent?" A very naive thing when the cops who at first seem like your friends don't give a shit about anything but hoping to find you guilty in any way possible. They aren't there to help you no matter how "friendly" they seem, people don't seem to understand this.

@Ellie #Putin&HisBishTrump 🍆 TinyPeePees My Favorite Console is the Super Nintendo

Bc he's the type that think he's smarter than everyone else.

A Beverage thank you for being such a good sport. Very few people can handle being correct with the grace you showed.

This so true they all snitch on themselves. One of Jim's previos videos had a snipped of people who knew their rights and even a crackhead told the police they don't know anything when he was accused and asked to leave, he got them to give him a coke before the interview haha

Because Drejka felt that he had every right in the world to kill the guy and he expected the cops to be on his side.

Elena B. Haha no problem. Your reply was so funny that I’ll leave my comment unedited so the comedy is retained.

Sparrow Cunningham it’s totally legal because the suspect is giving up information voluntarily. If he said I want a lawyer and shut ups afterwards but the cops try to force him to speak then it becomes legally questionable.

Roodski true. They will just hold you until when and if bail is posted.  But the way everything someone says is analyzed it would be the safest bet.  When you’re swimming with sharks it’s safer to be in a cage.

If you request council I think they’ll hold you until you can get in touch with your attorney or you can clear a public defender qualification.  Who knows how long that takes state to state?  I think most people would rather just answer the questions and hopefully be let out until their court date

Sometimes they do, the police will say something like "yea we'll get a lawyer for you" and just keep talking to them and the suspect talks anyway. I'm not sure if that's entirely legal, but I've seen it so many times. Just saying "lawyer" doesn't make the interrogator throw up their hands and walk away. A lot of the time these people are either too trusting, too naive or too full of themselves to stay quiet.

The arogence of a dim witted murderer will condemn themselves

David Davis makes them seem guilty. It’s the cops way of manipulating the situation for sure. They don’t want him asking for legal council they wanna act like his friend

Ignorance, and occasionally being told they don't need one, or that they just want to talk.

Hope. That they would be freed. That's it.

A lot of citizens just simply don’t know/understand what the right to legal council means.

I swear I’m not grammar police, but the word is counsel, meaning advice :) A council is a large assembly of officials and it made me crack up, thinking of the guy requesting a whole panel of city representatives  😂😂😂 I was like, well that’s going a bit overboard hahaha.  GODDAMIT OFFICER I WANT THE CITY MAYOR IN HERE AND THE WHOLE DAMN COMMITTEE, STAT, I KNOW MY RIGHTS

I swear I’m not grammar police, but the word is *counsel,* meaning advice :) A *council* is a large assembly of officials and it made me crack up, thinking of the guy requesting a whole panel of city representatives  😂😂😂 I was like, well that’s going a bit overboard hahaha.  GODDAMIT OFFICER I WANT THE CITY MAYOR IN HERE AND THE WHOLE DAMN COMMITTEE, STAT, I KNOW MY RIGHTS

I think they’ve explained that in some other videos, because yeah that kind of confuses me too. It comes from a guilty suspect trying to act innocent, because they feel requesting legal council will make them appear more guilty. So I actually think an innocent suspect might be more likely to request immediate legal council than a guilty one.


He doesn't cry during interview about taking the life of a man who was a son, husband, father, brother etc with zero remorse. It was 100% bigotry. If a white young woman had parked there and the same incident took place I guarantee 💯 he wouldn't have pulled his weapon nor even reacted in such disbelief


My second job is working for a call center for an outdoor retailer that sells firearms. Most of the customers I encounter are this man. They don't all kill, but they are horrendously racist. They demand "respect" but give none. They will try to guilt the hell out of you to get their way. I knew guns were a problem in America, but I did not see it for what it is until I had this job. These people are allowed to walk around with weapons with no training whatever and it is absolutely terrifying. I'm a moderate Republican and I do believe that people have a right to have firearms, but I believe it needs to heavily regulated and that people need to jump through hoops to get one. People would not believe the unspeakable things I hear and see every day.


Life Protip: Whenever you see someone parked in a handicap parking spot that they shouldn't be in, think to yourself "wow, what a c***" and keep on with your day like everyone else.


the fact that he shot while his victim was backing up too. then to lie about it and say he had been taking steps toward him


The one thing I've learnt from these videos is if the police take you to a room and start asking you questions, say absolutely nothing until you've spoken to a lawyer, even if you're innocent.

I'd say especially if you're innocent, dont talk to the police. Their tactics really dont differentiate between guilty and innocent people, they're looking for a confession whether it's the truth or not.

You are absolutely right,  everyone should watch the video called "Don't ever talk to the police" here on YouTube

@Alan Falleur  thats not true whatsoever. Silence is not an admission of guilt.  “Beyond REASONABLE doubt” to get convicted. Cant do that without an admission of guilt or hard evidence. Silence means absolutely nothing.

It's not wise to say absolutely nothing because that leaves the person's intent unknown, therefore open to speculation by the courts.  As silly as it might sound, what lawyers advise is to announce your intention to remain silent before remaining silent -- because then there's no room for interpretation.  Even though that announcement isn't literally remaining silent.  The 5th amendment is about abstaining from self-incrimination, not about trying to be #1 at the quiet game.

@Chris Bwee I thought the judge does that.

Yup. Virtually all of these people would get away with it if they didnt self incriminate

Yeah If you look at interrogation/interviews in the UK 99% people just say "No Comment" to EVERY question.

Yup. No matter how much they weasel up to you and pretend to be objective.

Remember folks...police can legally lie to you.

You have the right to remain silent. USE IT.

@Miss Mcphee Yep. The police's job is to prove you're guilty, not to prove you're innocent.

Especially if you're innocent. You could easily talk yourself into prison.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy when criminals talk to the police and are arrogant enough to not shut their mouths, because it means more evidence for the police. However, ANY lawyer worth their salt will always, in any circumstance tell you to never talk to the police. Especially as an innocent person, you do not know how your words can be twisted to make it seems like you are guilty.


The fact that he able to laugh when he kill a man is shocking


Regardless of what anybody thinks about this guy, the lesson in this is that there are people out there that will kill you. Always avoid confrontation and de-escalate, it's not about who's right or wrong, it's about getting home safe.

Regardless of what anybody thinks about this guy, the lesson in this is that there are people out there that will kill you. Always avoid confrontation and de-escalate, it's not about who's right or wrong, it's about getting home safe.

@Fred Holtzclaw exactly, everyone should think like this.

@Fred Holtzclaw exactly, everyone should think like this.

And there are countries, like mine for example, where there would have been a fight, a little blood flowing from the nose, some insults and that's it..... No gun.

And there are countries, like mine for example, where there would have been a fight, a little blood flowing from the nose, some insults and that's it..... No gun.

Remember everyone, it's best to live life constantly in fear of losing your life over banal conversations than to advocate for gun control!

Remember everyone, it's best to live life constantly in fear of losing your life over banal conversations than to advocate for gun control!

@CraftyF0X the dark guy pushed him to the floor

@CraftyF0X the dark guy pushed him to the floor

the guy tried to de-escalate but he got shot.

the guy tried to de-escalate but he got shot.

He didn’t have to go up to the car. He didn’t have to pull out his gun. He started the confrontation he killed. Now he can take that 20 plus years for the rest of his life. On his knees with black eyes too

He didn’t have to go up to the car. He didn’t have to pull out his gun. He started the confrontation he killed. Now he can take that 20 plus years for the rest of his life. On his knees with black eyes too

Yep. Just witness a fight the other day, and one dude grabbed a bat. But thank god the other person de-escalated it at that point.

Yep. Just witness a fight the other day, and one dude grabbed a bat. But thank god the other person de-escalated it at that point.

Exactly, and that starts by NOT laying hands on people you don't know.  That's a basic concept in civilized society.

Exactly, and that starts by NOT laying hands on people you don't know.  That's a basic concept in civilized society.

fuck, those words are really going to stick with me.  They are so terrifyingly true, there are some crazy scumbags out there

fuck, those words are really going to stick with me.  They are so terrifyingly true, there are some crazy scumbags out there

Maybe if people weren't such violent messes then we wouldn't have fulcing homicides like this. (As in violent I mean fatal harming, aka gun shots, not little pushes)

Maybe if people weren't such violent messes then we wouldn't have fulcing homicides like this. (As in violent I mean fatal harming, aka gun shots, not little pushes)

@jibba rich sorry but if my family is in a car and are dumb enough to stick around they are on there own -_-

@jibba rich sorry but if my family is in a car and are dumb enough to stick around they are on there own -_-

@Latios Tech Yeah and who the fuck puts the handicap spot at the end of the parking lot.  Almost every spot up front was open.

@Latios Tech Yeah and who the fuck puts the handicap spot at the end of the parking lot.  Almost every spot up front was open.

This guy was looking for trouble! He wanted any reason to use that gun and he was gonna find a reason no matter what.

This guy was looking for trouble! He wanted any reason to use that gun and he was gonna find a reason no matter what.

I honestly was ready to be on his side. Hate self entitled people...world is full of them.  And to always resort to physical violence is never a good thing so yes, I thought this was justified. Until I heard that he literally had been involved in similar incidents a few times prior to this deadly confrontation.  It’s like he was WANTING to confront someone and hopefully be assaulted so that he could pull that gun out and execute a person.  So many wrongs on this one.  All should be held accountable...the mom included.  What an example she is setting for her children to not only show no regard to the disabled in our country...but to then throw an attitude when someone confronts her on her ride, self entitled behavior.  All were in the wrong.  Unfortunately, one paid the ultimate price.  Is it so damn hard to just be a GOOD PERSON?????  Last I looked...it’s FREE EVEN.  People act like showing good manners and kindness cost dollars. Sad society.

@Goop Guy lmaaaaaao nice one, you nearly had me waste my time arguing on the internet again.

@Goop Guy lmaaaaaao nice one, you nearly had me waste my time arguing on the internet again.

@jibba rich Right answer: SOME.  "What's going on? Oh, we are? OK, we should move then." That man would be alive if he knew how to use his words.
Also, I didn't see any threatening body language from Drejka.  I think walking up and knocking the guy down is threatening body language.
Where, in this situation, was violence introduced? At what point? We both know the answer.

@NINO SKILLZ guess you lose your guns then

@NINO SKILLZ guess you lose your guns then

@Moose Cannibal it's threat against your life. That guy didn't push him over then back off, he stayed standing over him. That's how those things are normally viewed

@Moose Cannibal it's threat against your life. That guy didn't push him over then back off, he stayed standing over him. That's how those things are normally viewed

@Moose Cannibal if he fell a bit different and landed badly he would have been in a worse condition than a bruised back. So yeah, if he believed that he was going to be a threat to my life then I'd see it as fair

@Moose Cannibal if he fell a bit different and landed badly he would have been in a worse condition than a bruised back. So yeah, if he believed that he was going to be a threat to my life then I'd see it as fair

But shoving a guy over because he is arguing with their wife makes the response somewhat justified

But shoving a guy over because he is arguing with their wife makes the response somewhat justified

@bobby ray of the family smith Where are these fights taking place at? I don't really understand in what situation do lads go out and drink with the intention of starting a fight or waiting for the chance to get in a fight. These lads going out for the night and getting in a fight sounds like something you see in a movie.

@Kokujin Black it depends, as I've said it's happened a few times usually young lads drinking get into a fight no one is trying to kill but one ends up dead. Get punched and hit your head on the ground is all it can take.

@Kokujin Black it depends, as I've said it's happened a few times usually young lads drinking get into a fight no one is trying to kill but one ends up dead. Get punched and hit your head on the ground is all it can take.

In real life most people will guard their head with their arms and curl into a ball because its a natural reflex when getting attacked on the ground. You dont see that kind of behavior much in movies. Its really hard to actually kill someone on accident, but then we would have to play semantics with the word accident when two individuals willingly engage in hand to hand combat.

@Kokujin Black why is that like an action move? It's happened loads of times in UK people killed on a night out in a fight over somthing petty. Someone gets knocked down and kicked in the head once or twice next thing they're dead or severe brain damage and the other blokes facing a lengthy prison sentence. Usually the person never intended to kill its almost always just a petty fight.

@Blue Team in the UK it's completely illegal to defend yourself even with your fists for example if you have any martial arts training and fight back against an attacker the court will class your training as a "deadly weapon" and you'll do time. The only legal way to react is to call the police who won't turn up because they are too busy "patrolling" twitter for "mean comments"

That's so sad. Fortunately it doesn't happen a lot in my country. The US sounds absolutely terrifying 😔

That's so sad. Fortunately it doesn't happen a lot in my country. The US sounds absolutely terrifying 😔

Wtf, i don't want to be paranoid everywhere i go, i'd rather fix the system that allows and respects lunatics who start confrontations just to fucking claim self defense by killing someone who pushed you away

Wtf, i don't want to be paranoid everywhere i go, i'd rather fix the system that allows and respects lunatics who start confrontations just to fucking claim self defense by killing someone who pushed you away

Yeah. Maybe don't start physical aggression in an argument and you won't risk getting shot. Keep it verbal all the time like a proper human being would do.

Yeah. Maybe don't start physical aggression in an argument and you won't risk getting shot. Keep it verbal all the time like a proper human being would do.

@mortalkombatxvids The best line of action is not to startle the idiot with the gun bc even a single syllable could've startled him. You're trying to say that the dad should've risked his life trying to reason with the guy instead?

@mortalkombatxvids The best line of action is not to startle the idiot with the gun bc even a single syllable could've startled him. You're trying to say that the dad should've risked his life trying to reason with the guy instead?

@The Blue Rock I'm a bit confused as to why you're asking about my day, not gonna share that, but yeah. I'm done commenting here, thanks for not continuing whatever debacle I got myself into.

@The Blue Rock I'm a bit confused as to why you're asking about my day, not gonna share that, but yeah. I'm done commenting here, thanks for not continuing whatever debacle I got myself into.

@Moose Cannibal so go on about your business/day. I’ll continue commenting because I can.

@Moose Cannibal so go on about your business/day. I’ll continue commenting because I can.

@The Blue Rock yikes this is old, can you guys stop thinking this is relevant still?, I'm tired of seeing you guys go off about a conversation that hasn't been active in ages.

@The Blue Rock yikes this is old, can you guys stop thinking this is relevant still?, I'm tired of seeing you guys go off about a conversation that hasn't been active in ages.

Nice job victim blaming the man who was murdered in front of his children. "Always avoid confrontation" a strange man was harassing his family????

Nice job victim blaming the man who was murdered in front of his children. "Always avoid confrontation" a strange man was harassing his family????

@mortalkombatxvids I know (??) And I still said what I said

@mortalkombatxvids I know (??) And I still said what I said

@Kirsty Ackah lol the comments aren’t only Americans though

@Kirsty Ackah lol the comments aren’t only Americans though

@Moose Cannibal keep thinking people are playing with you or everyone have the same ideology/philosophies as you and you won’t like what comes with it. You can’t shove someone to the ground and the excuse is “he was protecting his family from a man arguing with his wife”.

@Moose Cannibal keep thinking people are playing with you or everyone have the same ideology/philosophies as you and you won’t like what comes with it. You can’t shove someone to the ground and the excuse is “he was protecting his family from a man arguing with his wife”.

...yep. Lessons Learned here:

1) don't park in Handicapped parking spaces unless approved to do so
2) don't shove people to the ground when a simple discussion would suffice

These 2 simple things would have saved 2 men's lives. So sad it came to this.

...yep. Lessons Learned here:

1) don't park in Handicapped parking spaces unless approved to do so
2) don't shove people to the ground when a simple discussion would suffice

These 2 simple things would have saved 2 men's lives. So sad it came to this.

@ᴏғғɪᴄɪᴀʟᴋɪɴɢᴢ violate?  That's a seriously heavy term for a couple people verbally arguing.

@ᴏғғɪᴄɪᴀʟᴋɪɴɢᴢ violate?  That's a seriously heavy term for a couple people verbally arguing.

@James Brannigan as a women who doesn't want to be preyed upon while I'm out by myself, I have to disagree. I take great comfort in knowing I can protect myself if I need to.

@James Brannigan as a women who doesn't want to be preyed upon while I'm out by myself, I have to disagree. I take great comfort in knowing I can protect myself if I need to.

Thank you. Been looking for this comment

Thank you. Been looking for this comment

@pollitorsiones you ought to brush up on American gun laws because your comment is completely untrue. 🙄

@pollitorsiones you ought to brush up on American gun laws because your comment is completely untrue. 🙄

@Moose Cannibal yeah, ok...remember that next time someone threatens your life. It's not ok to put your hands on people! And if you do, know that they have every right to fight back.

@Moose Cannibal yeah, ok...remember that next time someone threatens your life. It's not ok to put your hands on people! And if you do, know that they have every right to fight back.

@Tony Lawlor i wish but guns have been a part of america for a while... might as well be a deep part of our culture, really. gun control is the best we can do and even some people are STILL against that

@Tony Lawlor i wish but guns have been a part of america for a while... might as well be a deep part of our culture, really. gun control is the best we can do and even some people are STILL against that

@ZeuszO_O  lol no? He was backing away and the weasel still shot him, an unarmed man.

@ZeuszO_O  lol no? He was backing away and the weasel still shot him, an unarmed man.

@chickonspeed99 ugh, you better read up on American gun laws. Your statement is so false.

@chickonspeed99 ugh, you better read up on American gun laws. Your statement is so false.

@predattak tbh the victim didnt even have a chance in this one

@predattak tbh the victim didnt even have a chance in this one

@chickonspeed99 From this American’s point of view I feel the same way.

@chickonspeed99 From this American’s point of view I feel the same way.

@who dis? There are a huge amount of people in the U.S. who carry weapons who are itching to use them regardless of the situation. Our culture promotes violence in every “hero” movie, and underneath it all is a screwed up concept of what it means to “be a man”: bravado, confrontation, standing one’s ground. Supported by the NRA and politicians cuz, you know, there’s money in guns, war, civilians killing each other. One of the sickest aspects of our society.

It's about not living in a fucking country with guns hahaha

It's about not living in a fucking country with guns hahaha

@Ike Rice 😂😂😂😂😂👍🏽👍🏽

@Ike Rice 😂😂😂😂😂👍🏽👍🏽

@tony lopez Good point on that also.  I'd rather die like a man then live like a coward.

@tony lopez Good point on that also.  I'd rather die like a man then live like a coward.

This is quite the thread you've created.

This is quite the thread you've created.

Its stuff we don't have to think about for the most part as a rule guns are out of the equation

Its stuff we don't have to think about for the most part as a rule guns are out of the equation

The best fight is the fight never fought.

The best fight is the fight never fought.

@True Sheamus We have no mental Healthcare? Then who the fuck is my wife paying $500 a session to every month? That lying....

@True Sheamus We have no mental Healthcare? Then who the fuck is my wife paying $500 a session to every month? That lying....

@Fred Holtzclaw yeah we say that then laugh at people who walk away. Or call a family member a puss for not stepping up. Human psychology runs deeper than that. Even tho he was killed it was primal instinct as a man to protect his girl and his children. The man that shot him should of left them alone.

Just uninvest yourself, don't invest your ego into anything at all. Never comes out in your favor.

Just uninvest yourself, don't invest your ego into anything at all. Never comes out in your favor.

@who dis? do we gotta go bring up the countless cases from outside of the United States where petty arguments lead to death or serious injury?

@who dis? do we gotta go bring up the countless cases from outside of the United States where petty arguments lead to death or serious injury?

@Tony Lawlor but those countries with no guns as you say, has high violence of knife attacks and other hand held weapons. Violence just gets up and close.

@Tony Lawlor but those countries with no guns as you say, has high violence of knife attacks and other hand held weapons. Violence just gets up and close.

And the fact that it’s that way is horridly depressing.

And the fact that it’s that way is horridly depressing.

@who dis? i was reading comments for this comment!

@who dis? i was reading comments for this comment!

The fact that this dude thought he was in the right- Escalating the situation is always considered legally wrong- He was presented with non-lethal harm, and in return, escalated the situation and returned with lethal harm. That makes self defense a non-excuse.

The fact that this dude thought he was in the right- Escalating the situation is always considered legally wrong- He was presented with non-lethal harm, and in return, escalated the situation and returned with lethal harm. That makes self defense a non-excuse.

Well, in my country its illegal to carry firearms to the store lmao

Well, in my country its illegal to carry firearms to the store lmao

The lesson to be learned from this is that there is no place for firearms in the public. Some Americans seem to get so indoctrinated into this culture that they can't see the forest for the trees. It's very similar to an indoctrinated Christian or Muslim in that they cannot understand the most basic arguments against what they believe to be true or right.

@Oliver Ludwig that because you live in Switzerland, your citizens are not retarded.

@Oliver Ludwig that because you live in Switzerland, your citizens are not retarded.

@ZeuszO_O so what the father was suppose to let him yell at his wife because this bully has a gun and is quick to shot anyone that dares stand up to him. Try this in shit in another country shit try this in the UK watch how fast you get folded. Because you don’t have easy access to a weapon.

@ZeuszO_O so what the father was suppose to let him yell at his wife because this bully has a gun and is quick to shot anyone that dares stand up to him. Try this in shit in another country shit try this in the UK watch how fast you get folded. Because you don’t have easy access to a weapon.

@who dis? you right if this was the UK it would have ended right there, but unfortunately Americans have such quick access to weapons most arguments end in murder.

@who dis? you right if this was the UK it would have ended right there, but unfortunately Americans have such quick access to weapons most arguments end in murder.

@Think Tank no fuck no he yelling at his girlfriend with his kids inside the car he was protecting his family from some maniac. Plus the killer had time to sit up look at him and pull out his weapon while looking at him; if he was going to stomp him out he would have got on top of him immediately after pushing him down, but no he stop so don’t give me that shit about the killer being the victim.

@Dopamine You do realize that you have to a be a "tiny bit more motivated " to bludgeon someone to death than just pulling a trigger. That is what NRA ppl seems to never grasp, the intent of killing can be there sure, but making it difficult instead of convinient might makes a huge difference. That is the main argument against automatic and semi-automatic rifles and high capacity mags. The damage what you can do in relation with the effort it takes to do it. Sure if you really want to kill you can kill without guns, but at least it is much harder, which means your victim may got a chance to survive or at least you can't  just murder a crowd alone. Case in point, if the guy had a baseball bat in this instance he pulls out, the other guy backs off, situation deescalated. But he had a gun, so he pulls it off, other guy steps back, but since it is just the twich of a finger, and he is really mad, he shot the other one dead. The problem here as I see is that killing the other guy was just waaay too easy and convinient, and so in the heat of the moment he ended both of their life. I actually belive that he wasn't intended to kill the guy, but I also think he was like "Im gonna sting back to this madafaka" and since it was very simple and easy to strike back with deadly force that what happened.

@Alex_Inside one asshole is dead another is in prison nothing but a win from my perspective

@Alex_Inside one asshole is dead another is in prison nothing but a win from my perspective

@staticoverlay maybe maybe not, pulling the gun isn't the issue but using it was. He killed that man without a reason to.

@staticoverlay maybe maybe not, pulling the gun isn't the issue but using it was. He killed that man without a reason to.

@Dopamine what do all those things have in common? They are tools used for cutting, transportation and general construction work.

A gun has one purpose and one purpose alone and it is to inflict as much damage to a human as possible over as long of a distance possible. You can't cut, screw, open or hammer with it anything.

I'm not arguing about your little gun rights which are stupid but work 99% of the time... The 1% of the time where they don't work, well kids in schools die and people on the streets die by the tens.

@D Culican Like legit, give me an explanation as to how what you said affects or changes what I said, 'cuz I'm not going backwards through the 190-something comments to find out that what your saying still doesn't make sense as an argument.

@D Culican Like legit, give me an explanation as to how what you said affects or changes what I said, 'cuz I'm not going backwards through the 190-something comments to find out that what your saying still doesn't make sense as an argument.

@D Culican  I'm trying to figure out what point you're making.
You sound like you're saying something that affects what I said, but I know america has guns and that people get shot, that doesn't change anything??

Like... I'd be upset about the comment if it actually SAID anything, but you're just saying something that everyone knows like it changes something.

Genuinely not mad, just confused as heck as to what you're trying to say with that.

"Beta" HAHAHAHAHAAHA
Sorry I just find it funny whenever someone tries to apply wolfpack theory to the human race.
You do realise you're a human being right?, and you have the intelligence and emotional capacity to make decisions based off of THOUGHT and rational thinking, instead of some stupid "primal instinct" bullshit.

It's a toxic mentality and it breeds toxic behaviour, there's a reason people get made fun of for thinking like that.

@Moose Cannibal yes Moose, nailed it <i>/\</i>

@Moose Cannibal yes Moose, nailed it _/\_

This comment is from a UK perspective; In the States there's a misconception I believe that a permit to own a firearm is a permit to murder in the mind of a sociopath, probably internationally but certainly Stateside because of the violent history and legislation or 'legitimacy' of permitted ownership of the 'right'.......

@Dopamine Wikipedia is almost always fine for a birds-eye-view of noncontroversial topics. If there's a concern, you can always check the sources.

@Dopamine Wikipedia is almost always fine for a birds-eye-view of noncontroversial topics. If there's a concern, you can always check the sources.

@kate carew it's not just about defending your self it's also defense against government taking over. Look at the communist country's where the government rules with an iron fist and citizens can do nothing but oblige or die

@kate carew it's not just about defending your self it's also defense against government taking over. Look at the communist country's where the government rules with an iron fist and citizens can do nothing but oblige or die

@CraftyF0X in gun free country's people are stabbed in the streets and bludgeoned to  death run over with vehicles. They are not just given broken noses.

@CraftyF0X in gun free country's people are stabbed in the streets and bludgeoned to  death run over with vehicles. They are not just given broken noses.

@Killian B what makes it difficult in Ohio ? Just curious

@Killian B what makes it difficult in Ohio ? Just curious

@Alex_Inside so take away the kitchen knives, hammers, and axes. Cars because of hit and runs.

@Alex_Inside so take away the kitchen knives, hammers, and axes. Cars because of hit and runs.

@Tony Lawlor yeah you know what crimes in those country's have other killing methods, stabbing, bludgeoning, ect.

@Tony Lawlor yeah you know what crimes in those country's have other killing methods, stabbing, bludgeoning, ect.

@Enden Verted Yeah man it has really powerful lyrics

@Enden Verted Yeah man it has really powerful lyrics

@Jdb
I turn my head to the East
I don't see nobody by my side
I turn my head to the West
Still nobody in sight
So I turn my head to the North
Swallow that pill that they call pride
The old me is dead and gone
But the new me will be alright

Well shit I didn't know this song had that meaning on it

The man who got shot didn't even need to touch the guy! This is America! All he had to do was approach looking upset / angry and shout get the fuck away from my wife - guy could've pulled his gun, shot and said "I felt threatened!" People shoot u in America for nothing.

The man who got shot didn't even need to touch the guy! This is America! All he had to do was approach looking upset / angry and shout get the fuck away from my wife - guy could've pulled his gun, shot and said "I felt threatened!" People shoot u in America for nothing.

Definitely, remember tough guys, you have no idea what the other is carrying.

I bet if the father knew the guy was carrying a gun, he wouldn’t have pushed him.

Remember, you don’t know what they are carrying, they could be some psycho that is armed or a coward with nothing arm him. It isn’t right, but it isn’t worth losing your life over.

Peter Griffin That is perhaps the wisest take on this horrible incident.

Peter Griffin That is perhaps the wisest take on this horrible incident.

@who dis?  I was thinking the same thing. I live in a very violent country and getting shot it's not a normal social outcome XD. The normal extreme is usually a fist fight. I think what the victim did is still dumb but it didn't HAVE to end like that. So people... please don't normalize murder 🤦

@ZeuszO_O i don't think anyone else with a brain would shoot someone for pushing them down

@ZeuszO_O i don't think anyone else with a brain would shoot someone for pushing them down

That's what you get when you find guns like candies in your country.

That's what you get when you find guns like candies in your country.

@Isam El-hussein don’t push people if you aren’t ready for any consequences. This is America where people have guns, even the criminals. This should have been on his mind.

@Isam El-hussein don’t push people if you aren’t ready for any consequences. This is America where people have guns, even the criminals. This should have been on his mind.

Bingo. Never know how crazy someone is or what they're packing. My main objective would be to just get out of the situation and live to see another day.

"Okay Handicap Parking spot police, you win." And leave it at that.

Bingo. Never know how crazy someone is or what they're packing. My main objective would be to just get out of the situation and live to see another day.

"Okay Handicap Parking spot police, you win." And leave it at that.

@Think Tank when you are engaging a woman and her children you better be looking over your shoulder. Dreika deserves whatever comes his way.

@Think Tank when you are engaging a woman and her children you better be looking over your shoulder. Dreika deserves whatever comes his way.

ya he screwed up when he fired, but for sure he was going to get curb stomped if he didnt have a gun

ya he screwed up when he fired, but for sure he was going to get curb stomped if he didnt have a gun

EXACTLY. I was raised by a sociopath (diagnosed) and there's an epidemic of guys trying to puff up to preserve their "manhood". Let me tell you right now.  That dude never fought fair and you can't defend yourself against crazy.  And you never know.  You NEVER KNOW when the person you're getting froggy with is crazy. Take it easy out there guys and stay safe.

@ZeuszO_O no, he’s literally trying to pass himself off as a cowboy. He’s all up in people’s DMs rattling on about rustling up coyotes and varmints.

@ZeuszO_O no, he’s literally trying to pass himself off as a cowboy. He’s all up in people’s DMs rattling on about rustling up coyotes and varmints.

@kate carew some “cowboy”? Oh god I’m dying inside

@kate carew some “cowboy”? Oh god I’m dying inside

@Jason Hendrick I’m not but what I’m saying is if someone shoved me onto the ground and keeps yelling at me and starts walking back towards me I’m not gonna just let him beat my ass. I’m not saying over an argument I’m saying if I was just waking down the street and someone just did it for no reason.

THIS. People in the USA in particular feel entitled to deadly force at some indignities that are easily dealt with by other means. I was in the Nextdoor app the other day and some “cowboy” started bragging about pumping people who touch his grass with lead, he kept going on and on about his right and he was twisting castle law, stand your ground and hot pursuit.
Over and over this misunderstanding of exculpatory law caveats poses a MAJOR threat to the general populace.
People twisting the law to suit their bias and preference.
A total inability to deescalate or LEAVE stuns and chagrins me over and over.

@ZeuszO_O society better hope you’re not a coward like the guy in the video then.

@ZeuszO_O society better hope you’re not a coward like the guy in the video then.

That man was protecting his family, he had every right to do so

That man was protecting his family, he had every right to do so

exactly... there was no physical altercation going on, the shooter was standing still arguing(which i can understand as it kinda annoys me too when people park on specially marked spots expecially when there are ton of other spots available), the kid was safe inside the car... the wife should been safe inside the car but then decided to get out of the car which could be seen as confrontational and then this guy comes and forcefully pushes the guy on the ground... not saying he deserved to get shot from it... but without that push if they would have just went back into the car and left... he would still be alive... you never know what other people are like so you should not needlessly start or escalate arguments with people... and never EVER turn things physical as you dont know how people will respond...

@ᴏғғɪᴄɪᴀʟᴋɪɴɢᴢ that’s why the reminder is good. That it’s not worth. Life may not be that way for you, but it makes me think twice before getting into a confrontation with people you don’t know

@ᴏғғɪᴄɪᴀʟᴋɪɴɢᴢ that’s why the reminder is good. That it’s not worth. Life may not be that way for you, but it makes me think twice before getting into a confrontation with people you don’t know

@FIGGA then get outta the hood my friend

@FIGGA then get outta the hood my friend

True.  I used to aggressively drive in my twenties and pissed off a lot of people.  I know realize I could have been killed by someone who was having a bad day.  I now walk less aggressively and try no piss off anyone.

True.  I used to aggressively drive in my twenties and pissed off a lot of people.  I know realize I could have been killed by someone who was having a bad day.  I now walk less aggressively and try no piss off anyone.

I don't understand how people can act in such a dangerous way. Some ass hat tried to run me off the road once when I was on my bike just because I kept over taking him.

I don't understand how people can act in such a dangerous way. Some ass hat tried to run me off the road once when I was on my bike just because I kept over taking him.

That is the sad reality of USA an their gun laws. We can argue here all day, in worst case there is a fist fight a nose broken, a few bruises no one is dead. Then again, I heard americans only feels safe if they armed to the teeth and they fight tooth and nail for the right to be, so I guess some of them at least deserves it. (to live and die like in a western movie)<br>Beside that, never forget, whoever initiate the violence in an argument is the one who ran out of arguments. With other words if you can't justify your position with your words going violent won't justify it for you either.

That is the sad reality of USA an their gun laws. We can argue here all day, in worst case there is a fist fight a nose broken, a few bruises no one is dead. Then again, I heard americans only feels safe if they armed to the teeth and they fight tooth and nail for the right to be, so I guess some of them at least deserves it. (to live and die like in a western movie)
Beside that, never forget, whoever initiate the violence in an argument is the one who ran out of arguments. With other words if you can't justify your position with your words going violent won't justify it for you either.

@who dis? yes, it’s an American thing. Wish it wasn’t though but I can’t change how loose the laws are.

@who dis? yes, it’s an American thing. Wish it wasn’t though but I can’t change how loose the laws are.

Facts cause I'm gone shoot immediately... "Sorry officer he sneezed I thought he was reaching.."

Facts cause I'm gone shoot immediately... "Sorry officer he sneezed I thought he was reaching.."

@Isam El-hussein you seem like the kinda guy who'd shove over an old man in a parking lot and think you're tough

@Isam El-hussein you seem like the kinda guy who'd shove over an old man in a parking lot and think you're tough

@chickonspeed99 That's not true not in NYC!!!

@chickonspeed99 That's not true not in NYC!!!

There was another guy who was going to help the guy who got shot and he put his tail between his legs and got farther away.

There was another guy who was going to help the guy who got shot and he put his tail between his legs and got farther away.

@who dis? Particularly in the south in the US. It's a cultural remanent of the wild west. You can read more about it, there's a short wiki article on it, "culture of honor"

@who dis? Particularly in the south in the US. It's a cultural remanent of the wild west. You can read more about it, there's a short wiki article on it, "culture of honor"

You are so correct! I cannot believe all the road rage murders that I read about! I mean someone will actually blow a bullet thru someone's heart for cutting them off... They will take a life, and spend the rest of their life in jail! Someone cuts me off I try to be cool, someone rides my ass I pullover let them pass... I do not have many issues.

@Think Tank It's really weird to me to think that some people watch that video and come away with that perspective.

I'm not a violent person, never been in a fight. But I'm not sure how I would react if I stepped out of a store to see a strange man screaming at my wife. A shove doesn't seem completely unreasonable to me. But putting a bullet through a man's heart as he is fleeing...

Apologize profusely and give him the finger while you are at home safe. As police always teaches people about road rage, avoiding any contact, not even eye contact.

Apologize profusely and give him the finger while you are at home safe. As police always teaches people about road rage, avoiding any contact, not even eye contact.

It's a shame he didnt apply his own standard of thinking to himself. Imagine having the gall to berate someone who was in a convenience store for 90 seconds and then shooting them because you were in way over your head

It's a shame he didnt apply his own standard of thinking to himself. Imagine having the gall to berate someone who was in a convenience store for 90 seconds and then shooting them because you were in way over your head

@Fred Holtzclaw you can't be beta whole life

@Fred Holtzclaw you can't be beta whole life

@Fred Holtzclaw This is why Fawning is such a popular response to conflict,  that being said I think it's    interesting that its easier to buy a gun than a bullet proof vest,at least in Ohio anyways. Imagine if more people had bullet proof vests,so many people would have a higher chance surviving shooter encounters.

Really going to come onto this video and talk about how it's the possible victim's fault? You're going to take the blame off a violent person's shoulder and sit it square with the person who's life is at risk.

Really going to come onto this video and talk about how it's the possible victim's fault? You're going to take the blame off a violent person's shoulder and sit it square with the person who's life is at risk.

@Sean Matthew King I'm not the one replying ta EVERYONE XD try not to swallow your own tongue or anything man  :(

@Sean Matthew King I'm not the one replying ta EVERYONE XD try not to swallow your own tongue or anything man  :(

Yeah I catch myself getting hot headed and my gf always gets mad I gotta work on it

Yeah I catch myself getting hot headed and my gf always gets mad I gotta work on it

I agree. Getting home safely is more important

I agree. Getting home safely is more important

@Sean Matthew King my attitude about this is that two asshole bullies who left the house looking for a fight everyday both finally found one

@Sean Matthew King my attitude about this is that two asshole bullies who left the house looking for a fight everyday both finally found one

Think Tank

Defending himself!? Guy was backing up as soon as the pistol came out, he wasn’t a threat any longer. That was a fucking murder, plain and simple. Hope buddy enjoys jail. 👍

Think Tank

Defending himself!? Guy was backing up as soon as the pistol came out, he wasn’t a threat any longer. That was a fucking murder, plain and simple. Hope buddy enjoys jail. 👍

The guy violently pushed him for arguing about his dumb wife who parked in the one handicapped spot in an EMPTY LOT

The guy violently pushed him for arguing about his dumb wife who parked in the one handicapped spot in an EMPTY LOT

This observation should be on every video like this, as well as the observation that when you confront cops, remember that there's a gun in the mix, if you resist you're liable to get shot.
I can't believe how popular it's been this year to resist arrest. The cop might be in the wrong & might face punishment if you resist & he shoots you, it happens, but that's no consolation to the dead.
This world is too crazy to take any chances, people don't fight anymore, they'll just blow you away

@Kokujin Black in context of an old man getting shoved to the ground by someone twice his size it has more bearing on reality

@Kokujin Black in context of an old man getting shoved to the ground by someone twice his size it has more bearing on reality

@staticoverlay "you can knock someone down and stomp on their head and kill them about as fast if you're bigger than them"

That comment makes it seem as if, you sound like someone who has watched too many action movies, and also has never been in a fight or think that people act like mannequins when they are getting beat up.  lol
I'm just saying that the COMMENT makes it seem like you think like that.

@staticoverlay yeah he will jut do a 10m backflip on his head. Sure...

@staticoverlay yeah he will jut do a 10m backflip on his head. Sure...

Yea really. After the push he had no option. If you push someone to the ground and they pull a gun on you then it’s going to be hard to justify any form of self defense legally

Yea really. After the push he had no option. If you push someone to the ground and they pull a gun on you then it’s going to be hard to justify any form of self defense legally

In that case. This guy should be in prison. He had no reason to go up to the vehicle and start a confrontation.  Which resulted in him being pushed.

In that case. This guy should be in prison. He had no reason to go up to the vehicle and start a confrontation.  Which resulted in him being pushed.

@Camillo apparently this guy had 4 previous engagements where he pulled a gun on somebody before so I think he just saw an opportunity to shoot somebody and thought he would be justified

@Camillo apparently this guy had 4 previous engagements where he pulled a gun on somebody before so I think he just saw an opportunity to shoot somebody and thought he would be justified

@Hendrick Cavvendish I wouldn't call an approximately 10-word youtube comment my "narrative" but ok

@Hendrick Cavvendish I wouldn't call an approximately 10-word youtube comment my "narrative" but ok

The guy still had 5 to 10 seconds to see that the father legit wasn't going to do anything after that push. He even raised his hands a little bit but this guy shot him.

The guy still had 5 to 10 seconds to see that the father legit wasn't going to do anything after that push. He even raised his hands a little bit but this guy shot him.

Thanks Peter Griffin, some of us need to hear that.

Thanks Peter Griffin, some of us need to hear that.

@Think Tank don't be yelling at their wives and probably threatening them 😅

@Think Tank don't be yelling at their wives and probably threatening them 😅

@Alex_Inside you can knock someone down and stomp on their head and kill them about as fast if you're bigger than them

no doubt that was what was prevented here

@Alex_Inside you can knock someone down and stomp on their head and kill them about as fast if you're bigger than them

no doubt that was what was prevented here

People shouldn't have the power to kill this easily in the first place.

If there wasn't a camera he could have very well got away with cold blooded murder.

People shouldn't have the power to kill this easily in the first place.

If there wasn't a camera he could have very well got away with cold blooded murder.

You have summed it up its not worth too many idiots out there that cannot think problems out .

You have summed it up its not worth too many idiots out there that cannot think problems out .

@who dis? I’m not American and senseless deaths like these are common outside of the US. People just don’t know how to articulate their frustrations properly that many lives get lost for no reason.

@who dis? I’m not American and senseless deaths like these are common outside of the US. People just don’t know how to articulate their frustrations properly that many lives get lost for no reason.

@Tony Lawlor Ah yes like the UK, where im from... and the criminals still get them, it's just the every day people that can't get them (though we are barely allowed to defend with our fists now). Or germany? When will YOU people learn it's being done to basically control you? Oh that's right "MUH FEELIN'S!" People like you dude end up creating other people that fear guns or worship ithem, 2 extremes with no balance "Bbut-but-but-but muh fee fees! Im scared of big meanie boom stick so ban it!"

Exactly, never push someone like that, they could have many different ways of striking back at you that are more deadly then that push.

Exactly, never push someone like that, they could have many different ways of striking back at you that are more deadly then that push.

Would you people cop on and take all those guns out of your society. It has been proven, in countries where carrying weapons is illegal there are much less crimes involving firearms. Allowing any auld eejit  carry a gun is a recipe for trouble.

Would you people cop on and take all those guns out of your society. It has been proven, in countries where carrying weapons is illegal there are much less crimes involving firearms. Allowing any auld eejit  carry a gun is a recipe for trouble.

@Fred Holtzclaw That doesn't always work either bud. You can refine your sentance down to "Just stand there and hope for the best". Ever met a complete meathead that's as smart as pondslime? Or a level 69 karen? There is no walking away, there is no confrontation...there is only, "The storm" and whether, you can weather it...ha ha.

@ZeuszO_O yikes, reminds me of the man who killed a father in front his wife and children tbhtbh

@ZeuszO_O yikes, reminds me of the man who killed a father in front his wife and children tbhtbh

@ZeuszO_O I mean I think responding to a /push/ with a life ending /gunshot/ is a bit extreme tbh, dunno about you...

@ZeuszO_O I mean I think responding to a /push/ with a life ending /gunshot/ is a bit extreme tbh, dunno about you...

@jibba rich I wouldn't just straight up push him to the ground, but then again, I was raised to be a decent and lawfearing person. The automatic violence as a solution of conflict tells me that man wasn't.

@jibba rich I wouldn't just straight up push him to the ground, but then again, I was raised to be a decent and lawfearing person. The automatic violence as a solution of conflict tells me that man wasn't.

From an European perspektive its very disconcerting that every grown up American is allowed to wear a gun and that pacifism is considered a bad thing.

From an European perspektive its very disconcerting that every grown up American is allowed to wear a gun and that pacifism is considered a bad thing.

That isn't how one gains entrance into Valhalla.

That isn't how one gains entrance into Valhalla.

There’s so many Peter Griffins on YouTube

There’s so many Peter Griffins on YouTube

America is hell. Goodness me the comments

America is hell. Goodness me the comments

That's sounds real good...Almost Disney like. Unfortunately life doesn't work that way. People just react to situations, often there's no thinking involved till afterwards. If a dude violated your women or kid in front of you for no reason.. Looked at you and said "What the f**k are you gonna do about it" You just gonna walk away and de-escalate? Some people's 1st thought might be to protect, and not "Are they gonna kill me? Lets de-escalate"

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Says the guy who fought a chicken over an expired coupon...@Peter Griffin.

Says the guy who fought a chicken over an expired coupon...@Peter Griffin.

@tony lopez daaaamn wtf is wrong with people

@tony lopez daaaamn wtf is wrong with people

In a society with so many guns and no mental healthcare that is the truest thing you can say.

In a society with so many guns and no mental healthcare that is the truest thing you can say.

Sounds good but it don’t work like that in the hood 🤷🏽♂

Sounds good but it don’t work like that in the hood 🤷🏽♂

I guess this is an American thing? (Sorry if that's offensive) I've never heard of someone getting shot over an argument..

I guess this is an American thing? (Sorry if that's offensive) I've never heard of someone getting shot over an argument..

Nah it’s about whose right, cause in the end, I’m dying out of the right thing.

Nah it’s about whose right, cause in the end, I’m dying out of the right thing.

@predattak not going to lie I'm next to New York city. I carry enough smokes for that reason

@predattak not going to lie I'm next to New York city. I carry enough smokes for that reason

It’s about family values.
If you come outside and there is an irate male outside your car with your partner and child in it, how much negotiation would you do?
And how much negotiation did the murderer’s body language suggest?

It’s about family values.
If you come outside and there is an irate male outside your car with your partner and child in it, how much negotiation would you do?
And how much negotiation did the murderer’s body language suggest?

@Fred Holtzclaw I know another crazy one
 A person from my town was killed on the street over a cigarette.
Witnesses said that a weird dude approached him, asked him for a cigarette.. the guy didn't have one .. bam .. 5 stab wounds, 2 were lethal .. the ER that day was full of blood.. poor guy.

@Think Tank Nobody is saying it was wrong, but acting as the handicap parking police is just begging for a confrontation like this... is it worth 20 years of your life?

@Think Tank Nobody is saying it was wrong, but acting as the handicap parking police is just begging for a confrontation like this... is it worth 20 years of your life?

Listen to the song Dead and Gone by T.I. It's all about him learning this same lesson

Listen to the song Dead and Gone by T.I. It's all about him learning this same lesson

Man Hit the nail on the head i learned this valuable life lesson and realized its not worth loosing your life over pride. Ill be more than happy to take a walk if confronted but if u cross that line you will pay the fine.

Man Hit the nail on the head i learned this valuable life lesson and realized its not worth loosing your life over pride. Ill be more than happy to take a walk if confronted but if u cross that line you will pay the fine.

@Fred Holtzclaw Wow...all over some trash.. 2 lives lost, the guy who's dead and the guy who pulled the trigger.

@Fred Holtzclaw Wow...all over some trash.. 2 lives lost, the guy who's dead and the guy who pulled the trigger.

I knew a father who was shot and killed because he argued with a neighbor over trash. TRASH. Just swallow your pride and walk away people... You can be right or dead right.

I knew a father who was shot and killed because he argued with a neighbor over trash. TRASH. Just swallow your pride and walk away people... You can be right or dead right.