This dude had pulled his pistol on 4 other people prior?? It sounds like he just wants a reason to use it

This dude had pulled his pistol on 4 other people prior?? It sounds like he just wants a reason to use it

@James W She parked in handicapped spot, not innocent.

@James W She parked in handicapped spot, not innocent.

@B leck nope- it was 2012 to 2014 and all pulled on other drivers.. as if it matters, you think everyone who has a gun more than 23 years will inevitably pull it on a pregnant woman and her children in he car while driving? Or 20 years? How long have you had your gun? Have you done it yet?

@Fenix he should have fired a warning shot.

@Fenix he should have fired a warning shot.

Surely they should have removed his permit to carry a gun because of this!? Gun laws in America are crazy

Surely they should have removed his permit to carry a gun because of this!? Gun laws in America are crazy

@Yaya G. There is no crime in Florida called "harassment". Even in a states that have such laws, I don't think anyone would consider just telling someone they did something illegal would constitute harassment. It's not against the law to not mind your own business. You just wouldn't have enough time in this case to approach that. Harassment would be an ongoing course of conduct.<br>For example in a state that does have such laws: If they had got in the car and drive off and he followed them all the way home, blaring his horn and shouting at them and anyone who could hear about their illegal parking.

@Yaya G. There is no crime in Florida called "harassment". Even in a states that have such laws, I don't think anyone would consider just telling someone they did something illegal would constitute harassment. It's not against the law to not mind your own business. You just wouldn't have enough time in this case to approach that. Harassment would be an ongoing course of conduct.
For example in a state that does have such laws: If they had got in the car and drive off and he followed them all the way home, blaring his horn and shouting at them and anyone who could hear about their illegal parking.

@Yaya G. we don't know who started shouting or precisely what was said. We would just be speculating. The most rational series of events was probably that: he was seen walking around the car, she knew they were illegal parked and she wanted to know what he was going to do about it, if he was a cop etc. If he started the verbal exchange it would have most likely been a remark about their illegal park job. Yes I know, why would anyone care? They could have flipped him off, told him to eat shyt and mind his own business. They could have spent the entire car ride home complaining about white people for caring about dumb parking laws. Except that's not what happened. We had a guy mistake the free world for the prison rec yard where it's expected that you attack anyone who slights you in any way or you lose respect or however their prison rules work. The difference is, you can be pretty sure in the rec yard that the person who looked at you the wrong way won't pull a gun on you when you go to knock him out. If they are armed it's usually going to be small jabbing or slicing blades. It not common for them to carry a 9mm. <br>Regardless of who's fault you think it is, or who is more to blame in this situation, the man is still dead. Had he not been so hyper-aggressive he'd almost certainly be alive. You could probably get away with shoving 99% of people without getting killed in retaliation, he picked the wrong guy on the wrong day.

@Yaya G. we don't know who started shouting or precisely what was said. We would just be speculating. The most rational series of events was probably that: he was seen walking around the car, she knew they were illegal parked and she wanted to know what he was going to do about it, if he was a cop etc. If he started the verbal exchange it would have most likely been a remark about their illegal park job. Yes I know, why would anyone care? They could have flipped him off, told him to eat shyt and mind his own business. They could have spent the entire car ride home complaining about white people for caring about dumb parking laws. Except that's not what happened. We had a guy mistake the free world for the prison rec yard where it's expected that you attack anyone who slights you in any way or you lose respect or however their prison rules work. The difference is, you can be pretty sure in the rec yard that the person who looked at you the wrong way won't pull a gun on you when you go to knock him out. If they are armed it's usually going to be small jabbing or slicing blades. It not common for them to carry a 9mm.
Regardless of who's fault you think it is, or who is more to blame in this situation, the man is still dead. Had he not been so hyper-aggressive he'd almost certainly be alive. You could probably get away with shoving 99% of people without getting killed in retaliation, he picked the wrong guy on the wrong day.

@James W also he was only pushed, which is to be expected when your shouting at someone. Again, the blame comes back to him for initiating the shouting and making himself a threat.

@James W actually what he was doing could very well be elevated to a crime. Its called harrassment, and she had every right to tell him off, or to even call the cops. Once he saw that she wasn't moving, he should have left. But instead, he decides to stay there and shout at her. Now he's a threat. And as I said, we know what people do when they feel threatened.

@Yaya G. Why is it dumb to point out that the use of violence to teach someone who was being annoying a lesson isn't appropriate or legal?

@Yaya G. You could say he was being annoying, but it's not against the law to walk around someone's car, it's not against the law to be annoying, it's not against the law to be overly zealous in wanting traffic/parking laws to be enforced. He hasn't done anything that indicated he was a threat to actually physically harm anyone. The is not the rec yard at the penitentiary, you can't attack someone simply for being annoying or bothering your girl.
So he would have had to said a verbal threats or said something that amounts to an incitment to violence. I'd let's say the man was shouting derogatory racist dribble at them, you could argue that would be a incitment to violence, it's something that could cause an otherwise rational person to became so enraged that it's a provocation.  We don't have that here, we have a guy being nosey about how their car was parked. You probably have mutual shouting on both sides,
The gun: so yeah it's easy for us to sit back and watch the video and critique what happened and what would have been the better options. Things aren't so simple or cut and dry in the moment. When you are attacked like that your body releases a rush of adrenaline and the fight or flight response takes over and it's almost a totally automated response. Throughout most of human evolution the world was often a very hostile places, there were no police or judges to sit in judgment of a violent encounter. If upon attack you strike hard and fast, you are going to have a better chance to walk away front the incident, every moment you delay makes it more likely you don't walk away alive. This is just the reality of the situation.

@James W yes she probably was shouting. a strange man is approaching and circling her car, why would she not? He initiated the situation, before further escalating it by pulling out a deadly weapon. He was the threat, and what do people do when they feel threatened?

@James W this is officially the dumbest take I've seen on this case

@James W this is officially the dumbest take I've seen on this case

@Fenix I think it's much more complicated than that, how would you feel if a guy was at the window if your car yelling at your wife while your kid was also in there? I'd be furious. Then if I was pushed from behind, I'd def be afraid that it would continue while I was on the ground

@K. A. Benitez I mean, all cases of use of a firearm in self defense are treated like this, so most gun owners will watch videos or go to classes to understand where/when they are legally allowed to carry, what the circumstances are for when it's legal to draw, and when to make the decision to pull the trigger and what to do following such an occurrence. I don't necessarily see it as a red flag that he knew the terminology, at least aside from other evidence. Having drawn 4 times previously, it does make it more damning. Despite all this, he still didn't say the right things

@JH vibes thank you man!!! He is yelling at a woman and kids and simply gets pushed. Come on man

@JH vibes thank you man!!! He is yelling at a woman and kids and simply gets pushed. Come on man

@James W not a good idea to have an altercation with a woman with children  in a car without taking in account that you could stumble upon the man and be pushed by him cos he might feel something bad in your attitude towards the family.

@Bigboikilljoy Too bad someone gave him the opportunity

@Bigboikilljoy Too bad someone gave him the opportunity

He carries it around waiting for a reason to shoot someone no doubt in my mind

He carries it around waiting for a reason to shoot someone no doubt in my mind

@Bobby Sells from what we do know, she was almost certainly shouting back at him too. I don't know where you guys live but the entire world isn't Harlem, outside of the hood you can't attack and use violence against anyone you perceive as having disrespected you or your girl in any way. Enough with this silly macho man I'm a badass chest banging, if we all lived like that we'd scarcely go 15 minutes without seeing a brawl in the street. This is not the rec-yard at the penitentiary.

@James W he did it because he saw this individual was yelling through the driver window at the mother of his children. Don't sit there and say "he did it because he could"

@MoahGentle not much, even before the gun, it doesn't look like the victime had any intention of further aggressing the shooter.<br>Plus it is broad daylight and there are clearly plenty of people around that could have come to help him if he'd actually been beaten up

@MoahGentle not much, even before the gun, it doesn't look like the victime had any intention of further aggressing the shooter.
Plus it is broad daylight and there are clearly plenty of people around that could have come to help him if he'd actually been beaten up

@Fenix funny how nobody seems to ask the question, what would've happened if he doesn't have a gun? The shooting was not justified but let's entertain that hypothetical situation.

@Kellen Wheeler No, most people are not that aggressive, not that quick to violence. I get it, this is the new dynamic, if someone mouths off, you can attack them. Again they could have flipped him off, left and spent the entire ride home complaining about white people not minding their own business and caring about stupid things like parking...they are going to park wherever they want. If they had done that, he'd be alive. Watch who you go shoving.

@James W Your whole argument is void for simple fact that the victim would not have been had the murderer just did one simple..mind his business or maybe even call the police non emergency line. Most men heck people would react the same say if someone was threatening your family the guy was in enough distance to pull his fireame and kills how girlfriend..you defend Michael for wanting defend his self but blame the victim for doing the same thing for his family. Think about what you are saying

@antzielioXD you certainly don't attack the man. well, maybe YOU would but any normal human being with common sense wouldn't.

@Bijyo one, he may be mistaken in the heat of the moment doesn't mean it was a lie (lie is telling something you know not to be true, with the intent to deceive), second, whether he was yelling or not, any justification to push him went out the windows when SHE GOT OUT OF THE VEHICLE and closed the distance between them. The shove was assault (or battery) and could be prosecuted, the others actions don't justify it. The man was approaching him on the ground, the drawing of the gun was also justified. He noticed and started to move away, the SHOT was not justified. Lastly, he was charged and found guilty of manslaughter (agreed, good verdict) not murder.  The shot was 100% NOT JUSTIFIED, however, the push was 100% not justified. as for yelling, as long as you are not threatening, and you are yelling at each other, it isn't illegal to tell someone what you think of them breaking the law....having said that, his history would suggest he was doing so with the intent to find an opportunity, and THAT is not justifiable either.

@Iain Bailey he knows more than you, obviously.

@Iain Bailey he knows more than you, obviously.

@Iain Bailey nah, look what's people do with fire arms, lmfao it doesn't make sense to have one

@Iain Bailey nah, look what's people do with fire arms, lmfao it doesn't make sense to have one

@Iain Bailey deadly weapons like guns should be only for cops and army, nothing else...

@Iain Bailey deadly weapons like guns should be only for cops and army, nothing else...

@Fenix dont try to justify it. hes been itching to use his gun since the day he bought it, just like most of the gun owning community in the south were hes from.

Yep. A powerless 'man' who only felt powerful wielding a gun.

Yep. A powerless 'man' who only felt powerful wielding a gun.

@James W  Dude just pushed him he didnt pounced or anything he pulled a gun over a handicapped spot and opened fire for no reason . When some random dude screams at your girlfriend cause i doubt you are old enought to have a wife do you walk away?

4 times sounds like a lot. It doesn't when you know he's been carrying for 24 years.

4 times sounds like a lot. It doesn't when you know he's been carrying for 24 years.

@Fenix Nobody is arguing that the victim also wasn't an asshole for shoving him in the first place. Why bring it up?

@Fenix Nobody is arguing that the victim also wasn't an asshole for shoving him in the first place. Why bring it up?

@James W Look. We can debate here, for an eternity, on wether this was some extraordinary situation, or how he was pushed, or no,t, but, it will be looping around, avoiding the main question, me, and several others asked. How does any of that justify cold blooded murder, with the time luxury to properly aim, before firing, more specifically. Havin your opinions, and beliefs, and agenda, is all fine and respected, but, using that to excuse something that's, frankly, beyond reasonable excuse, is best left to defense attorneys, in courtrooms, not youtube comments, because, the only "gain" of this , will be giving everyone the opinion that you use politicalbias to excuse murder. And, that, is not good.

@Yannis Martynov The fact that this was a violent encounter initiated by the "victim". When someone is suddenly and deliberately attacked from behind, something no descent  self respecting human would do...
This is not a situation where you can sit down and aynaliticlly weigh the factor for and against danger from the attacker and the pros and cons of taking immediate action. Human instincts evolved not for use in the courtroom but for survivalival in nature.
What happens in a case like this is that the decision to shoot had already been made before he began to back off, so him backing off had nothing to do with the decision to shoot, there is just a slight delay as your subconscious mind tells your conscious mind you need to shoot, messages between neurons travel fast but not instantly as your brain as the thoughts travel to all centers of the brain necessary to complete the task, then it again takes time for the message to shoot moves to the muscles in your hand to actually do it, all this takes some time, it may be a second or less but it's enough time for the circumstances to change somewhat, but the call had already been made.

@James W if you cant handle getting pushed after YOU start an argument with someones woman, maybe dont carry a gun or idk maybe dont start shit?

@James W "I'm not so much defending the shooting as..." "He'd still be alive if..." That means in some form, you are defending the shooting, while simultaneously blaming the victim.

"...even if it doesn't fully justify the shooting." So there's partial justification in your mind for this shooting?

No. There was no justification here, as was legally decided. What are you smoking?

"The left turn all kinds of legitimate uses of self defense into media fiascos."
"They could spend the entire car ride home demeaning white people."

Ah, so you're paranoid about liberals. That would explain the cognitive dissonance.

@James W And, at which point does any of that justify anyone to pull a glock, take his time, aim, and shoot, AT A MAN ALREADY RETREATING?

@c ss I agree, talk to a lawyer. Plenty of time to talk to police later.

how do we know? There is a video of it.

How do we know the other times? Common sense.

Yea, UK needs a massive reformation over there. Ban guns, stabbings go up. Ban knives, clubbings go up. Ban clubs, strangulation goes up.

Guns get it as close to a fair fight as it can get.

Yea, he couldn't find one so he pressed it.

Yea, he couldn't find one so he pressed it.

@Neil Siebenthal defending in a cowardly sneak attack, but died a hero's death anyhow. They both earned their outcomes.

@Neil Siebenthal defending in a cowardly sneak attack, but died a hero's death anyhow. They both earned their outcomes.

@James W Stop defending racist murderers. How about that.

@James W Stop defending racist murderers. How about that.

@Neil Siebenthal He wasn't breaking any law in being nosey about their parking violation. Like i said, the decedent would be alive if he told drejka to shut up and drove off. Yes they could spend the entire car ride home demeaning white people for not minding their business and caring about trivial parking laws. This is the United States of America, outside of threats or a direct incitement to violence, you can say what you want, even if people think it's not your business or think it's dumb...violence in response to speech you think is annoying or dumb isn't appropriate. Besides, although he had the right to say what he said, he couldn't compel them to listen. They were free to drive off without hinderense, had he attempted to prevent that, the use of force would have been appropriate.

@Chad K I don't know about other cases, all I'm looking at is this case. If there were prior incidents where he inappropriately pulled a gun, which is a use of non deadly force, why wasn't he prosecuted? If he was, he should have lost his carry permit? He never should have made that statement to police, he definitely should have invoked his right to an attorney and said nothing. I think in his mind the decedent was closing on him even though the video doesn't show that. The left turn all kinds of legitimate uses of self defense into media fiascos so this is nothing new.

@Chad K Right. I understand what you are saying. This is not quite the same as some of the other cases you mentioned. On the video it looks as if the decedent was backing away at the sight of the gun. I think the decision to fire had already been made it just hadn't gone from brain to finger. Im not so much defending the shooting as pointing out that the criminal conduct of th decedent in initiating the use of force and violence was a key factor even if it doesn't fully justify the shooting. At the end of the day, he'd still be alive if he wasn't so aggressive and quick to violence.

Take a walk in a ghetto somewhere,  preferably at night, being pushed violently on the ground from behind and then sit there and wait to be more violated.

Still I guess it's not a good idea to push shove someone to the ground just because you're younger and bigger and you can.

Still I guess it's not a good idea to push shove someone to the ground just because you're younger and bigger and you can.

You can tell by how practiced and confident his language was during the interrogation that he'd been fantasizing and preparing for something like this. The fact that he had multiple run-ins where he was the antagonist further suggests that this was a man who had a gun and was looking to use it.


He whole demeanour changes after he’s told about the possible video


How many times they gunna ask him the same question holy fuck


Imagine getting murdered for a fucking parking spot


I bet she never park in a handicap parking spot ever again


This goes completely against the whole idea of self defense. He just straight up wanted to shoot someone

So shooting someone after they violently attack you goes against the whole notion of self defense?

Explain to me how that works exactly?

@Z_ROck if he shot him 2 seconds earlier this wpuld have been justified. The moment he paused and realized the threat was over was where he made his mistake

@YouJustAmazeMe or here's an idea; if you mind your business and let people deal with their own choices maybe you won't get pushed for not staying out of other people's business.

@Z_ROck yeah. There is that long pause after the draw where the decedent steps back and angles his body away. Hands visible. It is a bad shooting, meaning unjustified.

@Pig Parade You are right, in the end all that matters is that a family lost a loved one without a reason... But even so, I think it is important to reflect about the behavior of the guy that pushed, if only so that you wouldnt do something like that, because it could be avoided if he acted differently.

Edit: I am not in anyway whatsoever justifying the behavior of the guy that shot, just to be clear.

@Andor I don't think he said he "deserved" to die. But the guy did "pay the price" for acting though... Meaning that him getting shot was a direct consequence of that. Not that he deserved. Not that it was justified. But it was the price paid.

@Andor if he did in fact start moving towards Drejka that would be enough of a ground for a pretty simple defense to get him out of it. If person1, having no opportunity to disengage, demonstrates lethal intent by pulling out a gun and explicitly warning person2 about that intent, they expect the other side to act accordingly to that knowledge, and if person2 reacts to it by closing the distance, it's safe to assume for person1 that person2 has acknowledged the lethal outcome of the situation and has something they could respond with, likely on a lethal / great bodily harm level. However, if person2 is demonstrating any signs of disengagement, all the easy self defense routes are off the table. Had Drejka not told the policemen that he wouldn't have a reason to shoot if Markeis hadn't continued the approach, maybe a good defense attorney could figure out a line, I'll take JCS's word on that. But the fact there was no warning and the victim was retreating put the final nail in the coffin, not that he would "only" get beaten the shit out of. Physical assault is a serious threat to your autonomy and shouldn't be taken lightly if you agree with your right to defend yourself, so if you could prove you perceived no realistic ways to escape, you're justified in showing a gun and demonstrating and voicing your lethal intent, and carrying through with it in case the assault continues. You should study the laws in your specific state in case they differ in any way though before you practice anything of what I said, I'm in no way qualified to make any suggestions, just basing what I'm saying off of some prior cases and the rights you're supposed to have on paper.

@YouJustAmazeMe U know when u say "He "paid the price" for posturing as a tough guy" ur pretty much justifying someone shoting him even if ur saying its not self defence. Sure you could say his actions where bad, but nowhere bad enough to say he deserved death. I think even if he started kicking him and shit, it wouldnt warrant killing him becuse that would still be a massive excessive force becuse you know there is alot better ways to break up a figth that doesnt result in shooting someone.

@YouJustAmazeMe All I'm saying, just because he was acting a tough guy shouldn't mean death, that's just my opinion.

@Gvistic this is the last time I will respond to you, because your reading comprehension is not my responsibility. He "paid the price" for posturing as a tough guy. Again, he could have yelled at the man as soon as he saw what was happening. Telling a freak to get away from your family <b>IS</b> defending them, and from there he can assess the situation and decide how to handle it. Stop painting it black and white like he didn't have more wise and careful decisions available to him.

@Gvistic this is the last time I will respond to you, because your reading comprehension is not my responsibility. He "paid the price" for posturing as a tough guy. Again, he could have yelled at the man as soon as he saw what was happening. Telling a freak to get away from your family *IS* defending them, and from there he can assess the situation and decide how to handle it. Stop painting it black and white like he didn't have more wise and careful decisions available to him.

@YouJustAmazeMe The part of your comment that warranted my response, was that "he paid the price" so he paid the price of death for trying to protect his family?

@Gvistic Read my comment again. I said the shooting wasn't in self defense. The rest of your comment has nothing to do with anything I said. All you did was describe the video. Which by the way, I watched too.

@YouJustAmazeMe Yes however he shot him after he was clearly moving back, if someone is moving back they are not a threat to your life (for the most part) looking at his body language once the gun came out he was in a submissive and in flight mode. I’m sure you have made mistakes in your life, the victim did as well, but does that mean you need to die for it?

Dude was blindsided and taken off his feet. Could have yelled as soon as he saw what was happening. But nah, quietly crept up on him.The shooting wasn't self defense but the victim wanted to be a tough guy and paid the price. Your life is more valuable than some posturing.

@Z_ROck Someone else who knows exactly what they're talking about. Hallelujah!

@MarquiseTheFirst his life wasn’t in danger. If he was pushed down and started to get beaten, it would have been justified. But the fact that he backs away after the gun is drawn just shows that this was excusable homicide...

He didn’t pull it out until he hit him on the ground


I HOPE HE IS IN PRISON TOSSING SALADS EVERYDAY. AND AFTER THAT ATTENDING MANY MANDINGO PARTIES.


Wonder if the gf got the fine for illegally parking in a handicapped spot?  Orrrr why was this great dad on ecstasy?  Less then 5 seconds all that happened wise ones, and before the guy who got shot saw that a weapon was being pulled he was hovering a few feet from the guy.  The guy reacted.  I wonder what would have happened if he didnt have a gun. Oh wait ive seen what happens when someone gets blindsided unarmed the aftermath isnt pretty. And it wasnt defended as a stand ur ground case.


4:05 damn those handshakes make me cringe


Cop: “I saw the video and he did not take a step toward you. He was moving back”
POS: “I would disagree”
Cop: “Sir...I’m not sure you understand...it’s a video. Disagreement is actually not one of your options”

@KuhEssen A sucker punch is a punch, intended to do damage. A shove is intended to create distance. If someone was having a heated argument and was directing aggression towards your family, I'd say you would be justified in shoving someone away. Deadly force is not the appropriate response to a shove.

@MB Smith I refuse to use the spell chacker.

@himynameistim Check your spelling first <3

The guy was innocents, and a hero.  Check your priveledge white girl.

Video CAN be misleading, but clearly not the case here.

@Jordon Houston Would I be okay with being shot? I don't think it is about being okay with that. It is about whether it was justified and reasonable. I would not violently sucker-punch-style shove an old guy into the pavement without saying a word to him. If I did, I would go to jail.

@KuhEssen I get your point, however 2 of his kids were in the back of the car, stated at the beginning

@Robert Sorry guy, but that was a lot of red herring. I am just going off the facts of the case. I agree that if he decided to shoot to kill a retreating assailant, then he was in the wrong. I am not confident that he decided that since he was probably disoriented, but could be! I am still surprised by the verdict, except for that the shooter had a big mouth an incriminated himself.

@Sasha Valeria Ah that is true. I recalled the guy died in front of his kid in the store, but there were others in the car too.

@KuhEssen in the first minute of the video, up to 1:07 or so, it is very clearly stated that marquis had 3 children, all under 6, in the car, and that he took only his 5 year old son in to the store. The other two children are not mentioned as having gone in to the store, and as such can safely be presumed to be still in the car.
"in the passenger seat was her 28 year old boyfriend Marquis McLaughlin, while in the backseat were their three children, who were all under the age of six at the time. When they got to the store Brittany parked the vehicle in the stores only handicapped parking space located on the side of the building. Marquis then got out and went into the store with their five-year-old son[...]"

@KuhEssen well if guns were forbidden in the us this wouldn’t have happened

@Boarmans world Most of these responses to my comments are disagreements about whether he had time to react and decide he did not need to shoot after being violently shoved to the pavement in his old age and being approached as a follow up. Even the prosecution concedes the threat justified pulling his gun. Until people backed away, the threat justified firing the gun too. With perfect information maybe the shooter would have used restraint to preserve life. I could say the same thing about the assailant who violently shoved him to the pavement. Being shoved off balance like that into the pavement can end your life. Also, this is tangential, but the assailant's kids were in the store not the car.

@KuhEssen drejka is the start of the confrontation point blank. Why start an argument with a woman who has children in her car? The empty spots in the front of the store would have been easily accessible to a handicap person as they are usually in front. He had no reason to police where someone parked it wasn’t his business and if he was that concerned he coulda called the cops. You’re defending someone who quite clearly has been waiting for this opportunity

@KuhEssen first, marquis wasn’t the assaulter. He was getting a man away from his wife using non deadly force. He pushed him away and that was that he didn’t try and attack him or anything. Drejka then shoots at a man who is walking away from him—drejka knows damn well marquis wouldn’t have killed him if he didn’t shoot your comment Is ridiculous

@KuhEssen He was not moving towards him after he pulled out the gun but he says he did. He is either misremembering or simply lying. It's also pretty hard to believe he did not "recognize" that his gun was no longer needed.<br>When you pull out a gun and somebody walks away from you there is simply no reason to think you have to shoot. He had enough time to asses the situation and at that point nothing was threatening him. He had the upper hand and used it to retaliate for beeing pushed.

@KuhEssen He was not moving towards him after he pulled out the gun but he says he did. He is either misremembering or simply lying. It's also pretty hard to believe he did not "recognize" that his gun was no longer needed.
When you pull out a gun and somebody walks away from you there is simply no reason to think you have to shoot. He had enough time to asses the situation and at that point nothing was threatening him. He had the upper hand and used it to retaliate for beeing pushed.

@KuhEssen There were 3 seconds of time after he pulled the gun out and was pointing it at the man who was actively backing away.

He did take steps towards him. Watch the video. The assaulter violently shoves, approaches, sees the gun being pulled, then backs up. Within less than 3 seconds the old guy who was violently shoved to the pavement had to recognize that he no longer needed to fire at the assailant who was backing away. He didn't recognize, so now he is in jail for 20yrs.

Working security, I had a guy accuse me of faking video.  Criminals gonna crime, man.  Logic be damned.


Reasons why everyone shouldn’t just be carrying guns around thinking they can use it for self defense.


You can tell he was hard the entire time


Why can't people just mind their business ppl pop in and out of the store. Don't let ego get you locked up for life.


A little pib squeak, that a glock 43 is too heavy to hold with one hand, shouldn’t even be allowed to own a gun. Let alone shoot it


a major issue in this country is that ppl equate self defense to shooting at first confrontation. it should always be a last ditch resort.


Did he ever feels sorry about kids father whom he killed for nothing??


Pros lawyer kept calling victim the murderers name smh


He’s treating this interrogation like an audition to be a police officer!

@Nick Orsini well to end up like him it seems someone has to die..

@Rodgerwilco91 6 unarmed black men were killed by police last year. Most resisted arrest. The others resulted in police being criminalized.<br>There are millions of police interactions with black people every month.

@Rodgerwilco91 6 unarmed black men were killed by police last year. Most resisted arrest. The others resulted in police being criminalized.
There are millions of police interactions with black people every month.

Tbh if he's auditioning to be a cop, he passed with flying colors. Shooting an unarmed black man gets you passed the academy and into a cruiser real quick.

@Democrat Pro no one has been arrested fir not wearing a mask outside. Most cops don't even wear masks outside

@Crispy . because there is a whole lot of racist white people with that guys exact attitude so it's very likely that the victim being black had alot to do with it

Well cops arrest people for no mask, being outside, etc. this guy would fit right in

Well he created an altercation, escalated the situatuon, used very excessive force and murdered an unarmed black man. I’m surprised they didn’t deputize him on the spot, to be honest.

@Bruce Wayne too many end up cops snd not enough end like him

gun nuts ARE wannabe cops. Some go on to become cops. Few end up like this dude.

If he hadn’t been convicted I’m sure a police force would’ve hired him.


Shows more emotion for his dogs than the man he "accidentally" killed, disgusting

The dog was the shooter, that's why. The dog took the gun many times


NEVER TALK TO COPS - also - DONT KILL PEOPLE


if this man is policeman he will lose his job but wont be in jail


I mean this dude acts like it’s the Wild West out here. Like you can you cap people he attack you as your first response


Honestly this is one of the kinds of people I hate the most, people who buy a gun and fantasise about using it for self defence, being the hero. People who think they're some mini commando. Because when they get into a situation like this, they'll definitely pull the trigger.

@Canavero any law formed against the second amendment is unconstitutional. Just like the national firearms Act of 1936 which made it illegal for felons to own firearms.

@Spencer Jay i didnt say "took". im saying they CAN TAKE your guns by passing a law. learn how to read jesus christ

@Ozymandias ! No shit. You took my quote too literal.

@Qdude that's absolutely silly, you don't buy a gun just to look at it, and it's dangerous to have a gun if you're not comfortable welding one...

 I think you mean "sane people never plan to shoot anything except targets or quarry"

Sara Samaletdin the basic laws you need to know to be a productive responsible member of society, should be taught in high school. Even citizens who have no plans to own a gun should be educated in gun safety.

@White Van Epidemic ..wait, you're assuming Will showers?

@Will H I mean, living in parent’s basement seems far better than having no parents to teach you a shred of empathy for other human beings. After all, if you did have empathy, you wouldn’t be making this lonely argument with insults you practiced in the shower before typing this. 😴😭😭

@Autumn Contingency in case you have not been outside, when you get randomly blindsided not a lot of things go on in your brain correctly. I know it is hard to understand for someone who has probably left their basement once every week to get food, but in the real world there is no such thing as perfect judgement. You are using hindsight bias too liberally in his situation. (Im not sure you know what google is, so the definition is when you judge events based off of information received after the fact) He got pushed on to the ground, his brain won’t be going “okay let’s analyze the threat and what’s happening”… he is going straight into self defense. Like I said this may not make sense for someone who doesn’t leave their parents basement once but every week for food but this is how it works in the real world buddy. Fight or flight. Im sure the hardest “fight” you’ve ever been in is the one against diabetes, so don’t try too hard to understand what I’m typing.

Every man has a right to defend his family. You don't have to think your badass but you better belive they'll pull the trigger.

This is the kind of guy who spends his entire life waiting for a moment where he feels justified in shooting someone.

@Autumn Contingency let me guess you are below six foot and post pride month on your story… I am surprised that you have watched this video (and have proven that by citing the camera recording) and do not seem to realize that he fired out of fear. He clearly states that he thought the man who just got physical (out of no where and for no justifiable reason; words would have been fine to “protect” his family) was advancing towards him. It is all about HIS perspective because humans do not have omnipresent views and that is probably indeed what he saw when he finally looked up and broke out of shock.

I can’t wait to read what an ape below the 99th percentile of intelligence has to respond so please make it quick.

It doesn't matter what a single persons opinion is. You will not take our guns. Your will not make any gun laws restricting our guns. Freedom will win.

@promontorium ? This guy wasn't handicapped either. He says in-video he has a "pet peeve" about people parking in the handicapped space, likely because his mother-in-law is handicapped.

People say that watching action movies isn’t harmful. And while I don’t think it turns people to serial killers it can confuse people on what is law on when you can use a gun. People like him assume the gun can be used even with mildest threats, and not only when it’s a question of life and death.

@B Ntagkas you wrote that and thought you did something.

thats what is gonna happen if you allow any and all random apes to use a lethal affordable ranged weapon, especially in a still primitive society

Sane people buy a gun with the plan to never shoot it.

If you hit someone with your car your insurance goes up, you get points on your record, and sometimes lose your license, too.

@Spencer Jay that doesn't change how disgusting that culture is. It doesn't matter if it's USA or not. Environmental factors can only excuse so much.

I understand 100% but this is the US were a gun culture and built around them. If somebody gets shot. They get shot. If somebody dies in a car wreck they die in a car wreck.


The laywer: video wasn't clear...<br>Shoot, it was clear as day to me🤦🤷

The laywer: video wasn't clear...
Shoot, it was clear as day to me🤦🤷


Not sure if it was mentioned but he did this with two other people before he killed someone. This happened in a very rough area too.

The other people were at fault.  Micheal is a good guy who wanted to make sure people weren't preventing disabled people from parking. The other two cases were people who were naughty people and needed go be neutralized.


George Zimmerman is that you ?
He was choked that "they" were at "his" cornerstore in "his" neighborhood, and what are "they" doing there ?
He seized the opportunity to play neighborhood cop in order to discourage "them" from coming into "his" neighborhood again, by harrassing them....playing it off like he's doing the store management and the neighborhood a favor, and likely expected affirmation by others.
Thus, after fully embracing the starring role as the armed neighborhood racist bully....he falls shamelessly backwards into the character of the helpless victim, though he was superman 2 minutes ago.
I believe he was looking for a confrontation where he could brandish his weapon to scare them away, and he shot the husband purely out of retribution for ending the power trip he was waging on the man's wife.
He instantly lost all his power and lost face in front of everybody present, so he makes a move to reclaim power and control of the situation. It has nothing to do with self defence.

Johnny O Day died defending his right of way.


I like how he was all worried about that handicap parking spot seeing as he just pulls in and illegally parks his vehicle in an unmarked area that is definitely NOT a parking spot. Guess when you’re the parking lot protector the same rules don’t apply to you 🤷🏽♀

@Pie I was responding to somebody that said beating a chick to a pulp was alpha. I told him no alpha is a leader that takes care of people. Alpha doesn't mean you're the baddest in the room. What's wrong with that?

@Pie oh yeah I made that account 13 years ago so I can argue with you yesterday.

@Diddley Squat you made two accounts to Pat yourself in the back?

@Pie unfortunately, Pedro, you’re wrong.

@Diddley Squat you are correct. It’s private property and it’s not illegal to park over the lines or with a tire on the curb... whatever. It is illegal to park in an area designated as handicapped parking.

It would be illegal to double park, take up two spots, park on the sidewalk, etc., on public property or “government property” like city streets.

Most people don’t understand this. I would encourage everyone to read their local and state laws.

@Adriana Villarreal Lopez ooh okay sorry lol

@Pie i was referring to him telling the officer that it was his store and that he was a regular lol i know it’s not actually his store that’s why i put (/s which means sarcasm)

@Adriana Villarreal Lopez lol no it's not watch it again. He said that it was his the way you would say that's my school. The actual owner even said he's a reoccurring "customer"

but you dont get it! that's HIS store!!! lmao /s

@Pie I'm not defending the shooting at all. A cop can't give you a ticket for parking there. A cop can give you a ticket for parking in a handicap spot. They can call the cops to get them to have ask the guy to leave, and if he doesn't he can get a trespassing charge. He can't get a ticket for parking anywhere in the lot, other than the handicap spot. The city didn't put those lines there, the owners did.

@Diddley Squat that’s not how it works old man you can park between lines, in the middle of the parking lot, on the curb, etc. there’s a reason there’s lines displaying where you can park. What they both did was illegal if a non serious crime expect for the trigger happy murder

Its only illegal to park in a handicap spot. It's not illegal to park anywhere els in a parking lot. There are no laws saying where you can park (except the handicap spot). It's not a public street. That being said who gives a shit if the guy was illegally parked in the handicap spot.

@Jasko Pdx <br>Yes, it is even said in the video that he had 4 road rage incidents before this one. He is as much a coward a man can be.

@Jasko Pdx
Yes, it is even said in the video that he had 4 road rage incidents before this one. He is as much a coward a man can be.

Was looking for someone else pointing out his hypocrisy :)


That shooting was stupid. Jeez. His pain in his arms are probably over reacted.. Shooting someone for getting pushed, might've been hard, but still.


As a black person this was a self defense but his mistake was instigating the pushing which makes the self defense invalid.
Keep your hands to yourself, no verbal argument should warrant you putting hands on anyone.

This guy got convicted of manslaughter but an underage boy who committed a federal offense by crossing state lines with an unregistered to kill some has all his charges dropped.

This is self defense, he was only convicted because of the skin color of the person he killed.


Listen to the defense attorneys opening statements around 44:00. This fool is doing a trump impression.


Pretty cringe the guy talking about all the “drills” and scanning for threats and saying affirmative and neutralise.. especially when he has no military or police background.

@Annie Chorley but hey, atleast the democrat cancer will be eradicated afterwards

@Annie Chorley wait til the games start here soon. you ain't seen wild west yet.

01 00 you don’t, his drills suck though and it’s the only thing he talks about

"I shoot to save my own ass" - be better to shoot with your voice aca communication/ a warning

Wild f*ing west - taking a gun in your pocket to go to the store!!!!!!!!only in US

@seamen caldwell  @Jim lahey in my experience, running into fellas from the navy, its more likely that it's his drink of choice, not his rank

Yeah he sounds like Mac from always sunny

@A Guy Named Something <br>Neutralise is the English way of saying it, and considering the language is English, you are probably more wrong than he is. lol

@A Guy Named Something
Neutralise is the English way of saying it, and considering the language is English, you are probably more wrong than he is. lol

You probably wear your dress blues off base for fun

So people are only allowed to be knowledgeable if they have worked for the government?

Especially when he says “negative” cringe

@Jim lahey no I have what I am in my name cus I'm proud to be in the navy? Goodbye bum

@caleb Caldwell bro do u really have your rank in your profile name? BOOT

@jessica romanoff agreed, so many places without guns that are doing just fine, and even then it's not that the US should just completely ban them, but it definitely should be a bit more difficult to obtain a gun.

Guns won't kill people, but they sure do make it easier.

@yodasodaskoda I'm confused over the relationship between the two, are GSD's linked to nazis?

It was almost like he was trying to act like he is one of the cops. That's why he asked the cop if he would have done same.

Caunadan yeah if you find someone talking about this day to day, they’re either wayyy too green or they are acting

@MysticDragonWolf I got out in April and this is a fact lol

@✪Hidden reading these comments on here makes you realize just how many wannabe military members are out there like this guy

As former Navy, I can attest that we talk normally

Only when a superior wants our attention do the familiarity gets dropped

Cici B. most likely just LARPs as a epic special forces secret agent but forget to break character before going to the store

I thought the same! He plays too much video games in his retirement 🤣

do you have to have military or police background to be educated and informed?

Funny you say that, I've noticed the only people I have ever heard casually talk like this either had no or very little background in police/military..while everybody I have met who actually did have such backgrounds are personable and try to be casually relatable, instead of impressive.

@A Guy Named Something I’m Australian that’s how we write it

Legend in his own mind, hero of his own comic book.

seamen caldwell yeah I know lol I’m serving I just think it’s cringe when a civvie tries so hard to act like that

You realize in the military we don't talk like robots right😂 thats just shit that nerds and rejects say cus they saw it in a movie.. common misconception

Also cringe in how hard he was trying to tell the investigators, “Guys, guys! I’m one of you!”

He was looking for someone to shoot. Honestly, some people take patriotism too far and start having military fantasies about how they "protect and serve" their communities. This guy's having a power trip cause he's got a gun and he thinks he something near police. A family lost their father over that. Disgusting.


So sad when they abuse the second amendment.  You miss your girls, ok. Don't you think them kids miss their dad?


I was in the process of typing "fuck florida" but, woah I am pleasantly surprised


He probably would have got head stomped if he would have not had a firearm,but handicapped illegal parking confrontation??? I would have just went in the store.

Don't go around provoking confrontations and you'll never have to worry about getting head stomped.


this dude talks way to confidently for someone who didn’t even ask for a lawyer

@unai_a secas Narcissistic Personality Disorder is literally in the DSM, what are you talking about? Of course it can be medically measured, it's disordered by psychologists.

He probably believes he is a lawyer. People like him believe that they know everything about everything.

@Epoch of An Era 80% of people don't even know what narcissism is. I bet they couldn't even recognize most narcissists. Also, narcissism shouldn't be stigmatized as it is a permanent mental condition which brings many disadvantages with it.

@TheDuranceFurnace I mean to be fair he also killed a man after starting an altercation over a parking spot.

He made the mistake of trusting the system.  Never ever talk to anyone except a lawyer.

Negative. Force multiplier. Tango down. Neutralize the threat. TIRANDO GRENADA!!! UAV incoming.

@happyfacefries Thank you, man. Sorry if I misjudged you. It's just that people tend to throw that word around and their actions show how ironic they're being. Case in point, Mr. Educated a.k.a. metaphysicalgrafitti over here.

@metaphysicalgraffiti yes, those narcissists amirite 🤦♂

@happyfacefries  I still haven’t looked it up but I think you’re wrong saying that somebody in your family is medically described as a narcissist. Narcissism as well as hypocrisy can’t be medically measured.

In Spanish we have an other term that’s “megalómano” to which English translation you might have wanted to refer to.

@John Mullin  his lawyer did a really bad job in the end.

He only had to say that Michael didn’t see the first step because he was recovering from the push, he didn’t see the second because he was occupied drawing his gun and the 3rd step unfortunately look to him as a forward step (although in reality it was a turning step).
-should have made clear that he was not racist, as the only reason he approached the car was because it was parked in the discapacitated slot and at first Michael was unaware of the family’s race.
-should have also made clear that he didn’t shoot out of anger. And that the reason there was just 1 round fired is because he no longer felt in danger.
- it was a nasty surprise when he learnt that the man he shot died.

And that’s it!!!! The man would be free.

I mean, I still think he shot out of anger but that’s not the point.

@Epoch of An Era look up the definition of a narcissist. I am not throwing the term around loosely. If you think Michael isn't one, go get your head checked, but he not only matches the definition but reminds me of my birth father who is a diagnosed narcissist

@happyfacefries He might be. I'm not saying he can't be. It's just that people who throw that word around at every opportunity seem kinda sus to me.

@Epoch of An Era I didn't call the poster a narcissist, I called the criminal a narcissist. And if you looked up the definition, you would agree that the criminal IS a narcissist

@happyfacefries bruh, I swear if I see one more fellow internet dweller call other people narcissist

Insane that he didn’t ask for a lawyer. Insane.

He though he was all cool with the police and that they were on his side. Little did he know they were just trying to get his trust to confess things

Thats how being in the military can change you! smooth, relax in any situations


Jeeesus I’m never parking in a handicap spot ever again

The state I live in, it's a $581 fine and 1 demerit point for illegally parking in a handicap spot.

Honestly I doubt you did before you watched this video...  You have you have to have a certain... mindset in order to park in handicapped spots.


The prosecutor giving off huge Chewbacca defense vibes.


So basically this guy was angry at someone’s crappy parking decisions YET he himself isn’t even parked in a DESIGNATED PARKING SPOT

@Nun Ya I did. And I've gotten a ticket before for not parking in a designated parking spot in a parking lot. And that's when I owned parking.

@Random Username -Look up the laws in the State you live in. In public parking lots of stores in Florida there is no law that says you HAVE to park in the drawn spaces.

Well it’s different for him. He owns the place 🙄🙄. Oh wait no he doesn’t.

Well it’s different for him. He owns the place 🙄🙄. Oh wait no he doesn’t.

Hey, what are you talking about, It’s “his” store.

Hey, what are you talking about, It’s “his” store.

@Dogald Trump Rittenhouse is a different case.  The question of whether his life was in danger because he willingly placed himself in a dangerous situation is the one that needs to be answered. From there, it snowballs... If you see someone shoot someone else, and you shoot them, are you justified? If someone tries to detain you after you have used deadly force. do you have the right to self-defense?
   If he was on private property on behalf of someone, there is no argument. If he was retreating from a demonstration, or even a riot, there is no argument. If people went after him after putting out the dumpster, there is no argument. The lack of experience may have prompted him from leaving the danger to going through the danger to find the safety of the police.
   One of the big arguments I think will be made is, did Kyle Rittenhouse fear for his life because he was concerned someone would take his weapon and use it on him?  That can go the way of 3rd degree murder. It doesn't matter who he was, or who he shot (and their records), the initial circumstance sets the stage for what follows.

@KA- BOOM!!! Didn't look like he was very well supervised when he was shooting protesters.

@KA- BOOM!!! Didn't look like he was very well supervised when he was shooting protesters.

KA- BOOM!!! This excuse doesn’t work for weed that come from Colorado in Utah so definitely shouldn’t work for firearms

KA- BOOM!!! So he didn’t cross state lines ?

KA- BOOM!!! So he didn’t cross state lines ?

ITS HIS STORE!
HIS HUNTING GROUNDS.
PERIODT

ITS HIS STORE!
HIS HUNTING GROUNDS.
PERIODT

You fail to understand that he's THERE everyday and that's HIS store, bro

You fail to understand that he's THERE everyday and that's HIS store, bro

@Random Username Did you watch the video's about Kyle? Why start this conversation at all? Really weird to compare this with Kyle..
He actually was there to help. You do know that the only reason people were going after him is because he put out a fire? Then a suspected crazy person with a death wish(literally!) starts to charge him, understandably gets shot. Then an unknown number of people want to lynch him and it doesn't go their way. I suspect you're butthurt because you see yourself as one of those people, but hey, if it went the other way round I'd be mad too.
If he was there to mow down people he would have done a hell of a better job

@Nrg Bunni - Well, yeah. Of course it's totally unreasonable to SAY something to the aipette... These things are animals who have NO IMPULSE CONTROL, and it got it's ass shot off due to it's unwarranted violent outburst.

@senorbeast09 It still wasn't his job to police the parking lot. He could have taken the plate number and reported it. Michael admits however to doing stuff like this on multiple occasions. Also, pretty sure it's illegal to murder someone. Which Michael did.

@senorbeast09 doesn't matter.  If her parking bothered him that much ...report it and move on.  Even the owner of the convenient store told him to stop harassing the customers and the judge who sentenced Drejka said he found it ironic because Drejka himself parked illegally.

I get angry when people park in disabled spots without a permit card up because im disabled myself but all i do is take photos of the car and license plates and forward the details to the council to fine them id never actually get into a physical altercation or kill someone over it that’s ridiculous (plus I physically couldn’t even if i wanted to due to my disabilities).

It was HIS store.  He goes there EVERY DAY.

He can do what he wants!

It was HIS store.  He goes there EVERY DAY.

He can do what he wants!

@;askoefj k. Not sure how. There are many reports of Kyle brandishing his weapon before hand, he was given water and encouraged by the police, he illegally brought a gun out of state from Illinois to WI without an FOID card, he was the stressor and aggressor by open carrying said illegally brought AR15, and I have merely added the not so illogical conclusion he was there to use his weapon and make his cop daddy's proud. He just needed the perceived excuse. So regardless if you're given that excuse or not is irrelevant.

@Random Username you're incredibly wrong about the kenosha events.

@Random Username you're incredibly wrong about the kenosha events.

@Trepidity Trepidity generally speaking I agree with you. In this particular case I don't think that is what it was based on the information we saw.

I remember recently parking next to a car in the handicapped spot. I got upset someone was parked there... and I went by and looked at the license...and she had a handicap license plate... I felt silly (and thankful). On the other hand, I have seem a restaurant owner go after someone for not legitimately parking in a handicapped spot and made the man move. It was a ugly scene.

@senorbeast09 fantasies all they know, he doesn't know anything about the case clearly.

@senorbeast09 fantasies all they know, he doesn't know anything about the case clearly.

@Random Username
"glad to know you're rooting for the super villain"

hahahaha what is with you soyboys thinking everything is a Marvel movie?

@William Gruff one can argue that, sure. One would objectively be wrong for solely putting the incident on said couple, but yea, anyone can argue anything. And had the situation played out differently, it may even be agreeable.

That being said, it didn't and it's not.

@Random Username of course you don't care about a trial once you're called out on the bullshit you're spewing. Kyle is a hero, your opinion on that does not change anything.

@Random Username Kyle was a minuteman, not a cop larper, tool. These people were in kenosha helping the police, with their blessing. There with others to prevent damage to buildings (because the people doing it won't want to get shot.) and give first aid. You're comparing a warzone to not a warzone. A violent mob chasing a person to an altercation between two people. You're not very inquisitive. I doubt you could define inquiry.

@M Verheul let's not. IDC about trial. I'm not on the jury. I know what happened. I watched what happened. He should have been at home in Illinois with a bedtime.

@senorbeast09 not a source. But if you want to be technical about it...

In FL, parking lots are considered private property. That, in itself, makes any collisions in said parking lots a lot more difficult to handle. That being said, either neither were parked illegally due to private property, could have called for a tow but that's it.

And as far as asking for a source? That's standard from anyone countering an argument. If you stayed in school and paid attention, you'd know that. So essentially you would then have to go looking for precedent that argues in your favor.

This isn't difficult. I may have been a bit hyperbolic in the legality considering the circumstances of private lots, but not inherently wrong. To say both people were incorrectly parked would be more accurate on a technical level.

Doesn't change anything, dude still went all Evil Barney Fife.

@senorbeast09 not a source. But if you want to be technical about it...

In FL, parking lots are considered private property. That, in itself, makes any collisions in said parking lots a lot more difficult to handle. That being said, either neither were parked illegally due to private property, could have called for a tow but that's it.

And as far as asking for a source? That's standard from anyone countering an argument. If you stayed in school and paid attention, you'd know that. So essentially you would then have to go looking for precedent that argues in your favor.

This isn't difficult. I may have been a bit hyperbolic in the legality considering the circumstances of private lots, but not inherently wrong. To say both people were _incorrectly_ parked would be more accurate on a technical level.

Doesn't change anything, dude still went all Evil Barney Fife.

@Random Username rittenhouse did nothing wrong

@Random Username rittenhouse did nothing wrong

@Random Username Careful, you have inaccurate facts regarding the self defense situation surrounding the incident with the rioters. There's a lot of wrong information floating around from when it first went down that has now been entirely discredited. Using early and often highly inaccurate information, especially from sources such as the mainstream media that feeds off of chaos, to form the basis of your ideology or opinions on topics is dangerous as the information is almost always misleading or wrong when incidents like that happen and not until much later does the more nuanced truth of reality begin to shine through.

@Random Username Did you have prolonged restrictive breathing in the birthing canal? How can you compare this to the Rittenhouse case? You have a short circuit between what your eyes see and how your brain interprets it. Get help!!

(Oh and he then killed someone, but you know whose paying attention right?)

(Oh and he then killed someone, but you know whose paying attention right?)

@Random Username This was refuted Kyle Rittenhaus didn't bring the gun across state lines. I reccomend you watch Colion Noir's vides

Riddickk Are you saying it’s okay that he killed that man because he <i>pushed him?</i>

Riddickk Are you saying it’s okay that he killed that man because he _pushed him?_

@Random Username I think there is a huge difference between Rittenhouse and this case.

In this case, at the sight of a gun the attacker immediately retreated, and was shot while he kept increasing the distance, not facing the person laying down and not showing any intentions to attack.

In case of Rittenhouse , he was running away from attackers, he got pushed and they kept on charging expecting him not to shoot.

Intentions of being armed in both cases are irrelevant. For me Rittenhouse self defense was very rational.

@Lars van Zutphen <br>you're the only one ITT saying that, chief

@Lars van Zutphen
you're the only one ITT saying that, chief

senorbeast09 So killing someone for this when you are a citizen is ok?

senorbeast09 So killing someone for this when you are a citizen is ok?

@john dodo
oh man, somebody give this intellectual a Nobel Prize, he single-handedly just BTFO any dissenting opinion/counter-argument with one simple trick

@john dodo
oh man, somebody give this intellectual a Nobel Prize, he single-handedly just BTFO any dissenting opinion/counter-argument with _one simple trick_

You forget how this guy looked for trouble while rittenhouse  actively avoided shooting until the last moment

Inquisitive Cameron LARPERS 😂😂😂 thats is a hilarious term

Inquisitive Cameron LARPERS 😂😂😂 thats is a hilarious term

@john dodo well.... Good! lol. I just find these people to be ridiculous. If you want to play Johnny Law, be a cop. I mean, don't, please, but you know what I mean. And if you are going to do some dumb stuff like this, don't start off the bat with blatant hypocrisy.

I'll never get these cop LARPers or the idiots who defend them.

@senorbeast09 you would have to source that, I cannot find any legal precedent for that claim. Cars are to park in designated parking spaces.

@john dodo exactly, I agree. That wasn't a designated parking spot, therefore he is illegally parked.

@john dodo exactly, I agree. That wasn't a designated parking spot, therefore he is illegally parked.

Inquisitive Cameron I live in a city and there’s city codes for parking regulations.<br>So what we do here is WE PARK BETWEEN WHITE LINE DESIGNATED PARKING SPOTS

Inquisitive Cameron I live in a city and there’s city codes for parking regulations.
So what we do here is WE PARK BETWEEN WHITE LINE DESIGNATED PARKING SPOTS

@Random Username
correct. you can park wherever you want at a gas station as long as it doesn't impede traffic on public roadways. the worst that will happen is you will be asked to leave for parking like an idiot.

bottom line: Michael didn't "illegally" park, the single mother did, however

@senorbeast09 so I can just pull into a parking lot and park my car outside of a designated parking space. Thanks for the tip! You'll pay my parking tickets, yea?

@Random Username
parking like that isnt illegal, parking in a designated handicap spot is illegal

@Random Username
parking like that isnt illegal, parking in a designated handicap spot *is* illegal

@senorbeast09 I mean, it kinda is considering his "I'm going to start an altercation over illegal parking while parking illegally.

@Random Username wow you need help and eye glasses.

@Random Username wow you need help and eye glasses.

He's special. He has a gun. Who else is going to be the last bad ass left on Earth?

Seriously, though, you're right. That Rittenhouse kid who went off killing people with a gun he should have never had in a community he wasn't from is another case. They're LARPers looking for a reason. And the second comes up, they fire. Probably with the words, "okay man, it's all been leading up to this" going through their mind.

In that other case, the kid had to illegally bring an AR15 across state lines without an FOID card into another community. He was even one of those kid police cadets. The law doesn't matter to those people no matter how much they like to pretend.

Doesn't much matter to me, either, but I've never pretended the "law is blind" or whatever they chant while falling asleep holding the blue line flag.

He's special. He has a gun. Who else is going to be the last bad ass left on Earth?

Seriously, though, you're right. That Rittenhouse kid who went off killing people with a gun he should have never had in a community he wasn't from is another case. They're LARPers looking for a reason. And the _second_ comes up, they fire. Probably with the words, "okay man, it's all been leading up to this" going through their mind.

In that other case, the kid had to illegally bring an AR15 across state lines without an FOID card into another community. He was even one of those kid police cadets. The law doesn't matter to those people no matter how much they like to pretend.

Doesn't much matter to me, either, but I've never pretended the "law is blind" or whatever they chant while falling asleep holding the blue line flag.


were did all the comments go ? was this video private?

it was taken down by youtube for some violating the terms of service, he is reuploading them now. They were all gone (or at least most of them) for some time.


it seems like he was looking for trouble.


This guy has psychological issues for sure. His confidence is terrifying, he was going to kill someone eventually.

He didn’t have psychological issues he just thought he would get away with it

@Lord well the point is, if you are blindside hit in public onto concrete, naturally, any humans fight or flight response will kick in, which is survival instinct and you would draw ur weapon almost automatically (especially if he’s telling the truth of carrying a gun more than half of his life).

When he pulled out the gun, it was justified because, well frankly you never know what can happen. What if instead of it being that dad it had been an actual assailant or someone who intended on kicking his ass? That’s why drawing the gun is justified. At that point the interaction peaks and in this case, the father tried to get away and took multiple steps away before being shot.

In conclusion,
His reaction to being pushed was justified scientifically and with common sense, however once it continued, it definitely was an evil act of some sort as that man posed absolutely no threat

@Mikael B wait wait wait. What do you think people are going to hell for?

You see confidence I see extreme insecurities

@Lord someone who got pushed around in high school

Yeah, you can see how calm he is. Collective, friendly even. But you can here the subtle tremble in his voice. Not fear, no no, not fear at all. He was mostly honest,  eerie in his language. I wouldn’t say he was in the wrong, but neither the right.

@JoEnUtZ23 I think their trying to help others cross the pearly gates, they need a better strategy

@CrazyMiles lol. Why spam that message on the internet. Do you believe you’ll have a better chance of crossing the pearly gates for it?

Clearwater FL is the scientology city after all.

@Lord I can understand it. I just don’t get the it in my reality lol. Something made this dude snap. Prior to this incident no doubt.

@CrazyMiles Have you ever thought about defending Deutschland?

@CrazyMiles I see Jesus Christ also spams YouTube comment section with irrelevant dogma


he was parked closer to the fucking entrance than they were: choose ur battles

So you condone violence on a person just talking? Odd.


Even with that guy humblebragging himself in to a conviction, that video evidence was honestly open and shut on his fate. Yeah, the guy pushed him down, but he was clearly not a threat and even was walking away when Michael shot him.

and he did what everyone would do in the same situation.He  was yelling in his wife's face so he just pushed him away


He shot the unarmed gentleman. In the situation he caused, then cry victim in the very situation he created and shoot and kill a unarmed man who tried to back away.

He didnt have any idea he would be assaulted for simply telling someone not to park in a handicap spot. The deceased man broke the law when he assaulted Drejka by the way.


Update: He was sentenced to 20 years in prison 🙏


PLEASE post an interrogation where investigators are trying to get a confession but eventually he is proven innocent (like really innocent, not just by law)

Look up the "west memphis three" case. Not wuite the same thing but its very interesting.

There are actually two that have been posted which fit your description. One was a black dude who was riding a bus who was incorrectly accued. The other was some white lady from Texas if I remember correctly who's boyfriend committed suicide and the cop was screaming at her trying to get her to say she murdered him.

notsure ifsrs if someone could get footage of the Israeli police coercing a rape victim into self-blame, that would be tremendous.

@notsure ifsrs ok, i guess that makes sense, but there is actually no verdict  of 'innocent' at law.

Which makes the question even more strange, particularly since 'facts' and 'evidence' get their own special definitions in the courtroom as well.

So,  are we talking about being factually innocent as something completely different than what the facts on evidence at trial show?

Or a scenario of wrongful conviction, Where for example DNA evidence exhonerates the accused who was interrogated and confessed and we have that confession on tape. (because that would be interesting to see). Unfortunately wrongful convictions aren't as rare as one might like.

 being ajudicated guilty or innocent is a legal concept.

@drebk Innocent by law = prosecution cannot prove guilt (even tho you may have done the crime), true innocence = you really didn't do it

Sometimes they just give false confessions to end the torture. Look up false confession tapes

usually its 8 hours long interrogations where the innocent is psychologically tortured bc police chose them as guilty. I think Cofession tapes has some cases.


This is why scared people should not carry a guns. He didn't notice any 'threath' by analysing the mans face or body movements, the only thing he noticed is that he was black. That is so telling, scary and sad. I am so glad that i live in a country where these irrational people are not allowed to carry guns.


A verbal confrontation should absolutely never turn into a physical one. As a matter of fact, a strong push such as the one this man experienced could have killed him! I wonder what people would be saying if that push would have killed the white guy and the black guy had never been shot. I suspect the black guy would have experienced a lot more scrutiny. people who solve their problems with their fists are like brute beasts. I am not defending the white guy in the least bit. Both the black and the white guy were wrong! Actually, I'm pretty sure that if the white guy had never pulled out a gun, he more than likely could have pressed charges against the black guy! I have been robbed and roughed up by a group of black guys. I was also beat up pretty badly by one of my ex girlfriend's step dad and I couldn't figure out why! Getting violated in that way is absolutely traumatizing. I dealt with anger for years after that! putting your hands on another human being to inflict harm is a gross violation of their basic human rights. most of you have your morals all screwed up that's why this world is so screwed up


Can we talk about how the handicap spot was the farthest parking spot from the actual store.

@Shawn Myers I was high when I wrote that my apologies

@Sabrason finally someone with some senses

It looks like that there is a ramp right next to the spot. So it makes sense for that specific parking spot to be the handicap one. Agreed that it should be closer to the main entrance but as far as I know near the ramp is where it's technically supposed to be.

Good point and one the Judge made but it remains illegal for somebody without handicap tags to park there so that was violation #1 followed by McGlockton assaulting Drejka which was violation #2.

@Robert Carsten i have COPD and have a placard. Its not all so obvious to people, some of the handicaps

As someone who has to drive a wheelchair bound person around I honestly love the spots that are off to the side (assuming they have cordoned off space to pull a wheelchair ramp out of the vehicle.) Feel less guilty about taking up 2 prime spots by the doors. Obviously not for every disabled person as some can still walk.

@Ari Bantala absolutely.. if there was more of this, people would start thinking of the consequences, and less of it would happen.

@JRugg1 1980 We can talk how it should never have escalated to him shooting the guy in the first place because of a Handicap Parking spot.

He can inform whoever else that suppose to deal with that kind of stuff; the store's clerk, a Parking Warden, or... You know... The police... after he reminded the woman inside the car to move Instead of Arguing with a woman like an Idiot. He can inform the dude, whose also unarmed mind you, that pushed him that he's packing by either verbally saying it and/or show the holstered gun, which a Licensed and Trained Gun owner should do according to their Rule of Conduct when they are confronted with a Bystander.

But of course, Illegal parking should be sanctioned by death I guess

I can see there is a ramp there, and there is a bright (probably yellow) colored step in the spots in front of the door, not to mention it's to tight to squeeze a wheelchair through those parking curbs

@Ali Mashhour there is good chance you nay need to use the hanicap parking spot!

Can we talk about how the driver of the car, that parked illegally in the handicap spot, is the first one at fault for her man dying?

they put handicap parking spots closest to ramps so they dont have complications with ledges/drops and whatnot, hope this helps

Possibly an answer? The corner of a sidewalk is the easiest and safest spot to drop the curb down so wheelchairs can get onto it. I'm pretty sure some city codes require curbs in front of a glass store- fronts to be high enough that a parked vehicle can't roll up and smash it.

Source: my uncle lays sidewalks for my city

That's probably because the store and the building is old and the ramp up to the sidewalk was put in later to bring the building up to code, therefore the place they built the ramp dictated where they put the handicap spot.

Yes we can... Thats where the ramp is.  Have a nice day.

Pretty sure there was a ramp or something there tho

@J.RABBIT the handicapped parking spot is usually located closer to the entrance of the store so that it's easily accessible without needing to walk a long distance, so it should be right in front of the convenience store (or closest spot to the entrance for other locations) but it's actually furthest away. It's meant for people with disabilities, and parking there if you don't have a disability takes away the access from people who need it.

@J.RABBIT its meant for people with disabilities only. (to make it easier for them) meaning people shouldnt park there if they dont have a disability thats all.

Sorry i'm thick, whats wrong with parking there?? /Gen

@Ali Mashhour sadly, if someone has to explain it, you probably dont care.


Draco??  His ma' must have loooooved Harry Potter!


He gives off wanna be cop to me, type that never made it in & goes about town acting like he's  cleaning up the town.

@Krisztián we don't say coloured anymore. It's deemed as racist.

ok i get it. so if you warn somebody not to use the handicapped spot or call out someone for behaving unlawfully, which is bedides compulsory for every citizen, then you are a wannabe cop... interesting, now we know this too. what else? free LCD TVs?

he did clean one potential criminal off the streets

@Default Account Holy fuck that comment is just dripping with racism... amazed that no one called this shit out.

And it’s not even hard to be a cop. You don’t even need a college education.

I guess he wanted to be something like Jake Gylenhall from Prisoners

He probably tells people he "thought about joining the military a lot"

Yeah the wanna -be cop type that ends up a Security Guard or Mall Cop 😒

@DrNogueiras Maybe you should look up the buzzwords because you were doing just that. Dude was convicted in some kangaroo court after his case was all over the local news... I watched the video I never saw him screaming. She actually escalated the situation by getting out of the car. Amazing how she "is backed up by complete strangers" as she gets out of the car to yell back while your good guy attacks. Lets not minimize physical violence, that's what started the whole deal. Anyway if the dude was waving guns around before he should go away for that, not for defending himself. 20 is crazy.

@DrNogueiras Maybe you should look up the buzzwords because you were doing just that. Dude was convicted in some kangaroo court after his case was all over the local news... I watched the video I never saw him screaming. She actually escalated the situation by getting out of the car. Amazing how she "is backed up by complete strangers" *as she gets out of the car to yell back* *while your good guy attacks.* Lets not minimize physical violence, that's what started the whole deal. Anyway if the dude was waving guns around before he should go away for that, not for defending himself. 20 is crazy.

@Baruuu100  I'm not an incel, but sick burn! I was referring to elena. There I fixed it. I just know the type. Guns should be respected not something you collect in every color. I was correct as well.

@DrNogueiras Oh my gosh, I'd love to see those! Do you have any pictures of them to share? :3 and nah, I'm not fussed, 'men' who berate women are dumb and boring and need to sit down :D I'm sure he's a mommy's boy anyway :P

@DrNogueiras Sorry, I didn't know that vague book you wrote in the comment box was supposed to be a comparison to anything that actually happened. I guess everything can be related to zimmerman if you simplify it enough.

@Baruuu100 Well if you are the type to identify yourself as an extensive gun owner when no one asked 🤷

@DrNogueiras I'd actually love to have an extensive collection of pink and purple guns. Just imagine that. Maybe some kittens and puppies on them, too, who knows. Gotta embrace the stereotype amirite :P

@SqueakyCheeks loool mate just stop you're embarrassing yourself

@DrNogueiras White guy shoots gun:
SJW: Reminds me of Zimmerman

@DrNogueiras White guy shoots gun:
SJW: *Reminds me of Zimmerman*

Exactly...The sad thing is if he was an off duty cop he would be walking around free. This dude thought was was going to get the same special treatment that police officers get after they pull the trigger.


I've just noticed his right are has miraculously healed....praise the Lord.


The way he’s literally acting like his arm is broken and trying to play victim is disgusting.

@Timmy Vawwter
it's too bad that he didn't lawyer up.  a better outcome would have resulted.

A better outcome for him, but not for society. Dude has a history, and while I don't think he should have been shoved to the ground he did kind of initiate the entire chain of events that led to his own demise.

@Timmy Vawwter
-it's too bad that he didn't lawyer up.  a better outcome would have resulted.-

A better outcome _for him,_ but not for society. Dude has a history, and while I don't think he should have been shoved to the ground he did kind of initiate the entire chain of events that led to his own demise.

yea like when the cop says " anything broken " he says "no"

@Manuel Olivas He killed someone over a parking spot????

The man was just deffinding himself they put an innocent hero in jail i bet she don't park in no handicap kno mo lol.

I love how the cops keep reminding him he's supposed to be faking an injury, low key, and he's like "nah, it's good."

Dude was like “I’m still sore from when he hit me from the back”💀

He's a weak angry man who thinks he's tough for no other reason that he had a gun and the ability to kill anyone who stood up to him after he initiated a confrontation

He's got that little makeshift sling on his arm it's pretty funny

@Siham'stakeon I was literally wondering where his sling went when I read this 😂

One minute he had his arm up his shirt as broken the next it’s right there on the table lmfao

Around 28 mins I believe, he’s waving  his right arm around, using it to make points while hitting it on the table etc.  Must hurt reeeal bad, lol.

he’s not trying to play the victim as much as he is trying to garner sympathy and paint himself as a righteous vigilante.


I'm always amazes me how investigators are calm ,friendly, like they're buddies with murderers of the worst kind. They'll sit face to face with child molester murderers and are able to maintain their calmness. They teach me to be calm in such a chaotic world.

Its basic interrogation tactics, how's that hard to comprehend?

I would guess those talents are developed so that a suspect is a lot less likely to ask for a lawyer or clam up.

I think its easy. Think about it, cops are probably suspicious about this guy's intent. They probably saw the camera footage first before interrogation and can immediately tell this guy is sus. So the key to getting the suspect to getting arrested is to play buddy. It puts the suspect in a false state of security and will make them admit things that they normally wouldnt disclose. That is the key to criminal interrogation and psychology. Its not for everyone but the ones that are able to play friend tend to excel in this line of work.

@MTRA oh wow you really managed to make something misogynistic. good job bro.

You don't have the experience  in interviewing  people  to understand

@mirrbot Exactly. You need crazy amount of patience. In a nut shell ,that's been my point.

I could never! The patience it takes is just out of this world

@Kalypso Theodoreskou Yes of coarse, it's part of their training. What  I meant was,when I watch detectives calm and collect, with the most vile murderers  ,it makes me want to practice to be as calm in these crazy times we are living in,with some nutty people out there.The nuttiest we've seen in our lifetime. As for detectives in a box size room,with say a child molester serial killer? God bless them for their patience....I couldn't.

Isn't part of their training to pretend they're calm and somewhat friendly, so they make sure the suspect gives enough information?
Or am I wrong?
I see it as completely performative and I am sure most of them must have a really strong composure to deal with every case.

I can’t talk to my boyfriend of 3 years when he gives me the ick 😂 I’d be so mean to these doouche bag strangers

Dude had to sit there thinking “wait, so this guy’s about to tell me a whole story explaining how/why he shot someone because they were parked in the handicap and pushed you down?”

Like managers in a workplace, great with you until its time for redundancies then youre a number

Anger and fear can cloud judgement. Just like how the defendants fear & anger clouded his judgement right before he pulled the trigger. I'm sure there's a relevant "Yoda" quote about fear and anger but I can't think of it.

@Iv JO My phsyce wouldn't be as layed back as these  guys lol These guys are detectives and phsychologists . I watched the Chris Watts interrogation holy mother i was blown away how calm they are sitting 3 ft across from a guy who killed his pregnant wife and 2 children. I know they're phsycologically trained in dealing with criminals and murderers...I couldn't.

@NoraAlbo And what would you do if he was sitting inches away from you? lol

@escalopes defending cops and villainizing teachers is so crazy

You should watch the detective interrogating The amazon killer aka Todd Kohlhepp. He (the detective) makes the murderer so calm and friendly that he (the murderer) literally admits to every single thing he’s done lol it’s infuriating to watch how he’s treated (the killer) even fed like a king. Until you realize it’s all an act to get him to confess

the calmer they are, the more likely these horrible people will end up convicted

Lol it’s a psychological game to them. Probably no greater rush then being the reason a murderer tells on themselves

I wouldn’t call him the worst kind, he did get pushed to the ground first. But ya, he didn’t have to shoot him.

I agree, although this was a heat of the moment situation between two adults which in my opinion is different to a man who has stalked, plotted, sexually assaulted then murdered a defenceless female victim or worse still a child as we have seen in other JCS videos. In some cases the victims were even dismembered.

It's actually really easy to be friends with a murderer.  Imagine how many people you hate that that murderer could take care of for you.

It's great how the police just let them dig themselves into a deeper and deeper hole.

thats why there are so few female investigators

What amazes me even more, is the fact that these criminals never seem to understand that they are being played by the interragators. These ppl think the police are their friend and are on their side, when they are the exact opposite.

@Carlos V Yeah I know. It amazes me.I couldn't,not with such calmness,with his kind sitting inches away from me.

Exactly my thoughts. It would be a hell of an effort for me to stay zen while facing a criminal racist piece of shit who thought he did the right thing.