Honestly Trump made it for me. 2016 was my best year I got to see all the 'snowflakes' choke and spaz on Trumps progress. In other words Trump was my passive-aggressive sweat revenge on society. Believe me when I say this my state has gone to shit, I live in California and watching all the liberals breakdown gave me the biggest smile.

Father Man The institutions we have in place have checked his power for the most part. However, he has distilled a lot of distrust in said institutions among the public, and that may be damaging for a long time.

@Ryan Hull If I come across as "D v R," that's not my intention. I hate them both. I simply find Republicans worse.

SO some Antifa people are dicks, and therefore they are worse than far right wing terror attacks?

I would wait for an investigation to be over before I claim one side is wrong or right. Any losing party in a close race claims fraud. Also, they didn't review it because the agreed with the lower courts.

You said that Democrats are just as bad, but then you mention how the prison population went down under Obama, and how the trend continued. (Trump wouldn't be responsible for Obama's policies) Also, one policy from one administration. One policy that Republicans have been very slow to help reverse. Also, drug legalization would lower the prison population.

The NFL can fire whoever they want. I agree with that. My problem is the president advocating for them to be fired for expressing their opinions. It's because of the criticism and the fact they are not ultra nationalist.

Is there evidence that they are connected and not just correlation?

Also, I'd like to mention the fact that, due to the nature of how he invokes the presence of illegal immigrants and race, he is probably a fascist.

Also, I do appreciate the talk and discussion of ideas.

@Ryan Hull Ok, first,  that doesn't excuse Trump for what he did. Obama could have acted like an authoritarian as well. These two things are not mutually exclusive. Maybe to make it clear to you, I don't like Obama. I thought he was a mediocre president at BEST. He might've acted like an authoritarian in some instances, and I would criticize him for that. Don;t bring up what Obama did. It doesn't excuse Trump's actions.

Second, can you cite any examples or sources of how Antifa mistreats reporters, aside from telling me to "look it up?" Also, can you tell me why this is a problem that only exists on the left, where right wingers never harass the media, and why it is worse for some reporters in Portland to be harassed than for there to be hate crimes committed??

Third, what I said about NC's voter ID laws was not bullshit lmao. Here: http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf I got this from NYTimes . Find "Surgical Precision." As for NC's voter fraud investigation, I would like to see the results of it before claiming we need voter ID laws. A very comprehensive study by the Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/?utm_term=.bd378b381fca found that only 31 out of one billion ballots were credible instances of impersonation fraud.

Fourth, again, who said that Democrats were good? Yes, we both agree, Hillary Clinton's proposal, passing under her husband's administration, led to the mass incarceration of black men. Ok, and????? Nixon started the war on drugs. Reagan attacked affirmative action and social welfare, policies that continue in the GOP. Several Republicans used stop and frisk to target minorities in cities. But you point to one policy, granted, extremely damaging, by Democrats and claim that they are just as bad as Republicans? Look at what Trump has done in his first term! Trump proposed to eliminate 121 staff positions of the DOJ's Civil Rights Division, President Trump reversed an Obama-era executive order that placed commonsense training and supervision requirements on local law enforcement when they apply to obtain surplus weapons and equipment from federal agencies such as the U.S. departments of Defense and Justice.
 Then acting Attorney General Jeff Sessions overturned so-called smart on crime approaches to criminal justice by directing prosecutors to pursue the harshest drug sentences possible, without consideration of an individual’s role in a drug conspiracy. This reversal will contribute to the overincarceration of African Americans, who remain more than twice as likely to be arrested for drug possession than whites. Attorney General Sessions directed the DOJ to re-examine existing “consent decrees,” which are court-supervised agreements made between DOJ and local governments to address systemic racism and abuse of power in their police departments, as well as build trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve. This move was immediately followed by an attempt to derail an agreement to overhaul Baltimore, Maryland’s, police department and signals an end to federal oversight of local law enforcement. Attorney General Sessions rolled back a DOJ program providing technical assistance to local law enforcement agencies that wanted to build trust with local communities. This voluntary program was popular among police chiefs nationwide, and its changes undermine public safety. Attorney General Sessions reversed a DOJ plan to reduce its use of private prisons, which profit from the war on drugs and house a greater share of people of color than public prisons. https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/reports/2018/01/10/444806/52-harms-52-weeks/

Fifth, I can't tell if you are trying to strawman my NFL argument or you don't understand. Let me break it down:

Trump has freedom of expression, which he is entitled to. However, there are some positions that he holds, which are arguably not acceptable. If Trump was making arguments in favor of white supremacy, that would be an example of a time his freedom of expression was used to say something bad. Let's bring this fact to the NFL. He is entitled to believe that they shouldn't kneel and to think that they should be punished for exercising their freedom of expression. However, his belief that they should be punished for expressing their opinions is one that opposes freedom of expression. Therefore, it is not an opinion he should hold. To criticize those who protest for "disrespect" is almost inherently authoritarian.

Sixth, wow, one or two BLM protests got violent. You do realize a bunch of protests have happened over the course of the past few years peacefully? You just hear about the ones that turn violent?

Seventh, I was referring to some Republicans opposing the change to mandatory minimums that were passed under Clinton, but it seems that there are some Republicans open to changing their mind on that. My mistake.

@Ryan Hull Ok, first,  that doesn't excuse Trump for what he did. Obama could have acted like an authoritarian as well. These two things are not mutually exclusive. Maybe to make it clear to you, I don't like Obama. I thought he was a mediocre president at BEST. He might've acted like an authoritarian in some instances, and I would criticize him for that. Don;t bring up what Obama did. It doesn't excuse Trump's actions.

Second, can you cite any examples or sources of how Antifa mistreats reporters, aside from telling me to "look it up?" Also, can you tell me why this is a problem that only exists on the left, where right wingers never harass the media, and *why it is worse for some reporters in Portland to be harassed than for there to be hate crimes committed??*

Third, what I said about NC's voter ID laws was not bullshit lmao. Here: http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf I got this from NYTimes . Find "Surgical Precision." As for NC's voter fraud investigation, I would like to see the results of it before claiming we need voter ID laws. A very comprehensive study by the Washington Post https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/?utm_term=.bd378b381fca found that only 31 out of one billion ballots were credible instances of impersonation fraud.

Fourth, again, who said that Democrats were good? Yes, we both agree, Hillary Clinton's proposal, passing under her husband's administration, led to the mass incarceration of black men. Ok, and????? Nixon started the war on drugs. Reagan attacked affirmative action and social welfare, policies that continue in the GOP. Several Republicans used stop and frisk to target minorities in cities. But you point to one policy, granted, extremely damaging, by Democrats and claim that they are just as bad as Republicans? Look at what Trump has done in his first term! Trump proposed to eliminate 121 staff positions of the DOJ's Civil Rights Division, President Trump reversed an Obama-era executive order that placed commonsense training and supervision requirements on local law enforcement when they apply to obtain surplus weapons and equipment from federal agencies such as the U.S. departments of Defense and Justice.
 Then acting Attorney General Jeff Sessions overturned so-called smart on crime approaches to criminal justice by directing prosecutors to pursue the harshest drug sentences possible, without consideration of an individual’s role in a drug conspiracy. This reversal will contribute to the overincarceration of African Americans, who remain more than twice as likely to be arrested for drug possession than whites. Attorney General Sessions directed the DOJ to re-examine existing “consent decrees,” which are court-supervised agreements made between DOJ and local governments to address systemic racism and abuse of power in their police departments, as well as build trust between law enforcement and the communities they serve. This move was immediately followed by an attempt to derail an agreement to overhaul Baltimore, Maryland’s, police department and signals an end to federal oversight of local law enforcement. Attorney General Sessions rolled back a DOJ program providing technical assistance to local law enforcement agencies that wanted to build trust with local communities. This voluntary program was popular among police chiefs nationwide, and its changes undermine public safety. Attorney General Sessions reversed a DOJ plan to reduce its use of private prisons, which profit from the war on drugs and house a greater share of people of color than public prisons. https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/race/reports/2018/01/10/444806/52-harms-52-weeks/

Fifth, I can't tell if you are trying to strawman my NFL argument or you don't understand. Let me break it down:

Trump has freedom of expression, which he is entitled to. However, there are some positions that he holds, which are arguably not acceptable. If Trump was making arguments in favor of white supremacy, that would be an example of a time his freedom of expression was used to say something bad. Let's bring this fact to the NFL. He is entitled to believe that they shouldn't kneel and to think that they should be punished for exercising their freedom of expression. However, his belief that they should be punished for expressing their opinions is one that opposes freedom of expression. Therefore, it is not an opinion he should hold. To criticize those who protest for "disrespect" is almost inherently authoritarian.

Sixth, wow, one or two BLM protests got violent. You do realize a bunch of protests have happened over the course of the past few years peacefully? You just hear about the ones that turn violent?

Seventh, I was referring to some Republicans opposing the change to mandatory minimums that were passed under Clinton, but it seems that there are some Republicans open to changing their mind on that. My mistake.

@Ryan Hull When did the war on drugs start? Under Nixon. Who opposes the legalization of most drugs? Republicans. Which side has opposed reform for the lower Courts? Republicans. (Extending into other forms of institutional racism) Who has established laws that make it difficult for minorities to vote? Republicans. Who has always disavowed BLM? Republicans. But no, it's equal on both sides.

If voter fraud is not a problem then why tf do we need any laws against it?

Please correct me if I am mistaken, but Obama criticized FOX for spreading the birther conspiracy, right? A blatantly false and racist piece of info that was used to slander his name and his position of power? That is not nearly the same as Trump. Anyone discussing the Russia investigation is spreading fake news. Anyone criticizing him for any of his policies or opinions is spreading fake news. Climate change is fake news. (Also, if Obama criticized the media for anything aside from the birth conspiracy (or something equally as ridiculous), then I would also criticize Obama for doing so, and say that is a dangerous use of power)

For the NFL, yeah, that's his "freedom of expression," but it's also a dangerous one. It may be his opinion, but it also is an opinion he shouldn't have. It's like if he was promoting "white people are superior" arguments. Sure, he can say that, but he really fucking shouldn't.

So Antifa is not that dangerous? Ok, so then we agree rightwing terror is more of a threat?

@bob thornton His criticisms, of the players, was under his own free expression just as much as their own to be able to kneel. He did not implement any policy or take any action. He believes it was disrespectful and that people that disrespect veterans should be fired, and the coaches could have if they wanted to.
The media is not above criticism, that is the stupidest thing I've heard. Obama criticized Fox News all the time, and it wasn't dangerous when he did it either.
Calling out illegal immigrants is not invoking minorities as the cause of problems but that still wouldn't be fascist hahaha. If it is then that means Obama was fascist too since he did the same thing, it just wasn't criticized. Trump is nationalistic to his country and so are his policies, but not racist.

The war on drugs was under both Democrat and Republican administrations and yes minorities got fucked over by it. The policies were made by both sides, so saying that Republicans are the enemy of minorities just doesn't add up, both parties were. If you're talking about the Contra smuggling stuff, the only people I've heard of talking about that in a long time is Alex Jones lol. The cities with the highest disparities between crime rates between races are all Democrat-led cities. Also, I live in NC, and that is just not correct. The Supreme Court chose not to review the case and did not review it's merit at all. It was an appeals court that deemed it unconstitutional, you should look into that again.

To get rid of states that target specific groups you should pass a federal law stating what you need to vote everywhere, otherwise, the states can do whatever they want and discriminate as you say. I'm usually against more federal power but for voting on a national level that just makes sense. Don't target minorities in a certain way, just require a state or federal ID for everyone, like every other country.

I don't think that Antifa is smart enough to be that dangerous, especially for killing people lol, have you seen how most of them look? They are a joke to actual revolutionists, anyway, look at Portland Oregon and see how the biggest Antifa city in the US has gone to shit. Nazi's are included with far-right terrorist statistics but there are still more jihadist blamed deaths after 9/11 to now. Like I said before tho, it's completely sporadic are not organized at all, with no leader but the killer behind the far- right attacks. Organized violence in protests will always be more dangerous than sporadic events. Can we agree that its all bad and not representative of most Republicans, just like the Antifa groups are not representative of most Democrats?

Ryan Hull Ok So first, with the NFL, no. His opinion are contradicting that of free expression and encouraged it. Do not pretend that when the president says something that it does not have any weight. And the media’s JOB is to criticize those in power, it is not the presidents job to criticize the media. Hell, it is actually dangerous for him to delegitimize them. Your defenses are next dimension mental acrobatics lmao. He has a strong belief in power. Plus, you could absolutely make the argument that he is fascist, due to the nature in which he invokes minorities as the cause of problems, and his racist policies and beliefs.

Everything I said about Republicans still stands. But if you want specific examples of institutional racism, we can look at the drug war, which has led to the implementation of policies that targets minorities. You can see this in how White people and black peoples use drugs at similar rates, but black people are arrested for non violent drug offenses three times as much as white people. There’s the fact that The CIA distributed drugs throughout urban neighborhoods in the late 80s and early 90s. As for Voter ID, North Carolina’s laws were found to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL by the Supreme Court because they targeted blacks with “surgical precision.” Still, however, in states like Georgia and Delaware, these laws still exist, when there is no justification for these laws. Voter fraud simply happens so infrequently that it is not anything close to resembling a threat to our Democracy.

Also, do you have any examples of Antifa being so dangerous? Like how many people have they killed compared to radical far righters?

bob thornton bob thornton You haven’t shown examples of institutional racism after saying it lol. Those aren’t black civil rights movements, and that’s an insult to movements that actually wanted equality. The whole BLM was founded on misinformation. BLM riots hurt the cities they happened in, they weren’t peaceful, and destroyed property owned by minorities. I could say the same about the left mindlessly following and defending BLM. “Hands up, don’t shoot” being a prime example of something being disproven but the emotional response on the left not caring. I’ve seen more examples of black liberals attacking black conservatives than the other way around.

The public education system doesn’t bring good teachers to poor areas. You can see this in Chicago and Detroit. If Republicans are the enemy why do the democrat led cities have a larger disparity between races? Common core was complete shit under Obama.
Next, debating Voter ID laws are pretty stupid. Every country in Europe has them, Canada, even a lot 2nd world countries. Yet when we implement them here it’s racist? You really don’t think minorities have the ability to go to the DMV and apply for an ID in two years? Maybe I just think of everyone in a higher light. The unemployment rate is the lowest in years for African Americans under Trump, and the president signing prison reform and implementing more programs is doing more for minorities in these cities than anyone has done since the fatherhood rate in these places declined (they were still under democrat leadership).

Antifa is a threat to people who aren’t doing anything but just supporting the president. They don’t just attack people from the far right, they’ve committed violence against just regular people. The only far right person they’ve attacked is Richard Spencer. Not to mention they throw around the term Nazi and facist around so often they don’t even know what they mean. Then say that those people are dangerous so they don’t get to talk. That is facist.
The difference between Antifa and the far right extremists you’re so worried about is that Antifa is organized, they have a purpose and draw people in to protest and riot with them, and generally have a leader in these cases. Organized groups will always be more dangerous in manipulating ideologies and committing violence than unorganized groups.

I thought what we were talking about before was Trump being facist, as that’s what people always say about him. At most he is authoritarian in favoring that people respect him and the American government, but he does not actually police his ideas into action. You don’t understand the difference between things people say and the things people do. Those are just his words, not actions. Saying that people that kneel during the anthem in the NFL isn’t saying he will take executive order to make sure they get fired. It’s saying what he would do if he owned an NFL team. And that’s another misquote, he was talking about people here on visas and that were granted here to stay after they came illegally. But that still isn’t authoritarian. The media he mocks is mocking him because of his views. Trump is as nationalist as Obama in 2006. Many of the talking points for Obama and Trump were the same actually. Border security, taking care of US citizens first, etc. he is not an ultra nationalist, and can’t be if he is racist like the left says. Unless you meant an ultra white nationalist lol which would be pretty funny.

Ryan Hull Ok, so I don’t exactly remember what I said in this convo, so I may repeat some information here.

Ok so let’s start with institutional racism. I don’t think anyone denies the idea that Democrats have not been helpful to the African American plight in recent years. Bill Clinton is a prime example of such. With that being said, black liberals understand this. They understand that large chunks of the establishment are not doing anything to help their situation. That’s not why they vote blue. They vote blue because Republicans are much more militant and hostile towards any Black Civil Rights movement. For instance, they support racist Voter ID laws that actively target minorities and make it harder for them to vote, they decry BLM and mindlessly support police, they uphold the drug war that began under President Nixon and has actively targeted minorities, they support privatizing education, which only leads to public education growing worse, etc. Democrats may not be the friends of Black people, but Republicans are their straight up enemies.

In regards to Antifa, I’m not saying I agree with their practices and beliefs, but to paint them as the threat to American society that some people do is kinda ridiculous. They never kill anyone, they just break some stuff and maybe hit some far right protesters on the other side. Also, they are right in their assertion that Trump is authoritarian. I can’t speak if they know why he is, but we can say with absolute certainty that he is. He demonizes the media, he berates and mocks any and all opposition, he promotes ultra nationalism and the bogus idea of “America First,” he praises dictators, and he says things like “people who kneel should be fired” and “people who burn flags should lose citizenship.” To say he isn’t authoritarian would be unequivocally wrong.

bob thornton Just curious, you know that the cities with the highest black incarceration rates are pretty much all democratic led? How the worst grade school education systems, cities and states with the the highest debt are led by democrats? Look at California. Those are their biggest talking points but in reality their policies only worsen the gap between races. Remember the drug war by Bill Clinton that overly policed blacks during his time? <br>Antifa thinks they’re anti-fascist yet try to overpower and not let people practice their first amendment right because it is “dangerous speech”, but the extreme right as you say don’t limit others speech in the current days. Look at the antifa riots and protests on YouTube attacking anyone wearing a trump hat, even when antifa is less diverse than the people they are attacking. Even the mainstream left news are starting to push away from antifa because a lot of these protests are under policed and not everyone is caught (since they love to wear all black and masks). They can’t say exactly how Trump is facist or authoritarian, not to mention how people who identify on the right in the US are generally more libertarian than the left. Trump hasn’t made any policies expanding his power over the states, or limiting speech. Has he said mean or not politically correct things because he was displeased ? Hell yeah but it’s his opinion, not the reality of the administration. Being mean doesn’t make you an authoritarian or fascist right?

bob thornton Just curious, you know that the cities with the highest black incarceration rates are pretty much all democratic led? How the worst grade school education systems, cities and states with the the highest debt are led by democrats? Look at California. Those are their biggest talking points but in reality their policies only worsen the gap between races. Remember the drug war by Bill Clinton that overly policed blacks during his time?
Antifa thinks they’re anti-fascist yet try to overpower and not let people practice their first amendment right because it is “dangerous speech”, but the extreme right as you say don’t limit others speech in the current days. Look at the antifa riots and protests on YouTube attacking anyone wearing a trump hat, even when antifa is less diverse than the people they are attacking. Even the mainstream left news are starting to push away from antifa because a lot of these protests are under policed and not everyone is caught (since they love to wear all black and masks). They can’t say exactly how Trump is facist or authoritarian, not to mention how people who identify on the right in the US are generally more libertarian than the left. Trump hasn’t made any policies expanding his power over the states, or limiting speech. Has he said mean or not politically correct things because he was displeased ? Hell yeah but it’s his opinion, not the reality of the administration. Being mean doesn’t make you an authoritarian or fascist right?

@Augusto Pinochet Ok, but those leftwing attacks are irrelevant to modern times. Right now, it seems that far right extremists are committing most of the violence. Also, do you have a shred of evidence that Antifa is committing more violence than what the statistics say? In regards to the Republic, you have to outline how our Republic is so much better than Rome's with details and specifics, and why Athenian democracy was so emotional and terrible. Otherwise you're just making vacuous claims.

@Augusto Pinochet Ok, first, the far right is MUCH more violent than the far left. Oh no, Antifa beat up some right wingers and broke a few windows. Meanwhile, far right extremists account for the vast majority of hate crimes and terror attacks in this country. 12 Jews were shot in a synagogue, 9 black people were shot in a Church, the Unabomber did a shit ton of damage, etc. That is absolutely ridiculous. Also, it is anecdotal evidence.

Second, can you explain why the Founding Fathers wanted our system to work like a Republic and not a Democracy? I do know that they did not call it a Republic because Republics, as it happened in Rome, end in Tyranny.

Wolf Fortright Wolf Fortright

let’s dive into this shit sandwich.

First, on the Mueller investigation, he, and all his far right cronies, have repeatedly attempted to undermine the investigation, saying that its bullshit, that it hasn’t found anything, yada yada yada, but somehow all his statements about that, the reports of him being worried for Don Jr, and the fact that he appointed this new AG to undermine the investigation do not mean that he wants the investigation to stop? Obviously he doesn’t just do it outright because that could very well be obstruction of justice.

We don’t know he’s an authoritarian because he hasn’t said it? So until he bans all criticism of his administration and says “This is an authoritarian regime,” we can’t classify him as such? While he hasn’t exactly gone executing political opponents authoritarian, that doesn’t mean that he isn’t authoritarian NOW.

Deregulation does not necessarily mean that he is not authoritarian. While you can make the argument that this is a personal freedom being expanded, there is nothing about this freedom that contradicts the demand for obedience to authority that authoritarians frequently search for.

This argument about the media is disingenuous. I’m not sure if it’s because you thought of it or heard of it elsewhere, but his first amendment rights have nothing to do with this conversation. This conversation is about his opinions, positions, stances, and actions as president and how they make him authoritarian. The opinion that he spouts frequently and encourages the people to have is one of distrust for the media and trust in the government. That is an inherently authoritarian position. It may be his opinion, which he has a right to have, but his opinion is dangerous, and should not be held by the highest office in the land, unless you want an authoritarian.

Trump is authoritarian in spite of the institutions that surround him. These institutions hold him in check. And guess what? The rules that he drew up are to keep the media in check. Sure, he is allowed to do this, but it is authoritarian, because it is trying to limit and keep some form of hold over one of his critics: the media. If anything, bringing up how he tried to silence Acosta only proves MY point that he tries to sew distrust in the media, an authoritarian practice.

Also, not sure if you heard this, but Trump tried to investigate Hilary Clinton and James Comey. He attempted to investigate political opponents. That is so fucking authoritarian. It was because of the institutions in place that he was unable to do this.

I think you’re confused; the question isn’t “Are Americans living in an authoritarian government?” The question is “Is Trump an authoritarian?” It’s because of the institutions in place that he hasn’t become an authoritarian leader, but we can say with reasonable certainty that his opinions are that of an authoritarian. Sorry, bubble boi.

bob thornton fine, you want to do this?

Remember, your statements that are opinionated are not credible in the conversation.

First, and foremost, we can throw your statement about trump doing this, and that to stop the mueller investigation as your statements are more of opinion.

Does trump want the investigation gone, yes,

can he legally put a stop to it, yes,

can he speak ill about it, Yes,

can he question the investigation, and the motives behind it, yes.

So many damn things he can do, but he does not stop the investigation.

You say he is authoritarian, is he?  Answer: We don’t know, it is not applicable, because he has not stated he is authoritarian.  Nor has he acted in a manner in which he would shut all press, or media down.  He has not ordered the arrest of others without causation.  Nor has he silenced others due to them opposing him.

His actions in deregulation has in-fact taken power away from the government, that is not authoritarian.

This isn’t an opinion, from his actions till now, he has not acted in an authoritarian manner.

Is he pompous?  That question is not applicable, as the answer depends on opinion of view which I just stated is not credible in this conversation.

He’s a nationalist, yes, he said so himself, but that is not directly authoritarian.

Again, both of our opinions are not credible for this conversation.

Nor has his actions been authoritarian,

does he speak ill about the media, yes,

does he accuse them of fake news, yes

Does he use them to his advantage, as they speak ill of him, or goad them in anyway. Yes

That is his first amendment right.

So in what way without opinion, is he authoritarian?

Note: Jim Acosta speaks ill, sued him, and has not been silenced.

His credentials were taken away due to his conduct, the judge returned his pass as it was taken away without due process, in which the president has then sent a notice, of his pass removal in the near future, due to his conduct.

He has also instituted rules of conduct for future reds briefings.

Acosta was not arrested, or silenced, he is still out an about.

Put of all this, none of that was authoritarian, he has followed legal notice, after he took the pass off of a man who refused to give the mike to staff.  Who refused to cooperate, and even disrupted the briefing in a manner in which other reporters questions, were not asked.

This isn’t opinion,  now tell me why without opinion, is he authoritarian.

bob thornton your not that bright are you?

@Dri Ve I mean, anecdotal evidence is not admissible in intelligent conversation, and neither is ad hominem. sorry to burst your bubble, buster

@bob thornton lol your all over the comments, I lived in ghettos before, they do that to us, and blacks, cause they're usually the offenders.  I know a few friends who feel calmer with a white person behind them, then another black guy.  we were walking in the street and were stopped by cops for a drug check cause I was Spanish, and he was black.  the area we were checked was in the middle of a ghetto.  When they left for a few days out of the area, I saw more people killed in the parking lot than when they were around.  I don't blame them for that crap nothings black, and white man.  some bad apples don't mean theyre all bad.

@Spookycrane Trump has very authoritarian views on how he should be able to use his power in the White House. Any election that doesn't go his way is because the election was rigged, according to him, which is a statement that delegitimizes our democratic process. He tries to actively stop the Mueller investigation, which is an attempt to check his power that he tries to stop. Any failure of the state is in spite of him, but any success is because of him. That is a tactic that some fascists use to manipulate people into giving them their trust. Any criticism of him that comes from opponents, allies, and the media is undeserved and is because those people are either incompetent or because they are dishonestly rigged against him. According to him, he NEVER deserves such criticism. He targets minorities as causes for problems, something that fascists do often, and he supports media outlets that never question him and only offer praise.He attacks those that do otherwise.

Kc Beals I mean......

People who are black are more likely to be harassed/targeted by police for no reason, to be born in impoverished communities with weak systems of education and little access to birth control, are targeted by restrictive voting laws, making them lose a constitutional right, often are given harsher sentences and are more often falsely convicted, etc.

That’s not even touching on the challenges women, LGBTQ, immigrants, and mentally ill people face.

@bob thornton I guess if you are referring to felons behind bars then ya not everyone...but then again those felons denied that privilege when they committed their crimes.  If the democrats had all the power you can believe we all might as well be felons because they would make sure our liberties would be stripped. It amazes me how more people can't, don't or refuse to see that.

Etyl Not everyone has liberty and equality lmao

Funniest shit I’ve ever heard

Etyl - Same here... I think I've always been a libertarian. I've always supported freedom of speech and treating people equally under the law, which I thought made me a lefty (in my college days)... but as I became more informed and saw how much the left was rejecting everything I supported, I found myself more on the right

I feel like thats actually why trump won. I used to think of myself as a liberal but seeing how far left they are getting made me more of a conservative. Everybody wants liberty and equality obviously but we all already have that. If it werent for libtards supporting Hillary maybe she might have won.


33:33 "On November 8, 2016, Americans pokemon went to the polls." That killed me.


This is probably my 20th time rewatching, and I gotta say, it's as entertaining as it was the first time I saw it. Emp, you really are the greatest youtuber.


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Fred Freddy you are barely human... some of your systems may be starting to reboot but in the end you will all forget the lesson of real life and only remember your internal programming. Just go back to calling people Russian bots or sexists or whatever else as you are offended by humans that don’t have predictive outputs as soon as the trump era passes. It doesn’t matter you aren’t really human enough to actually be offended because you don’t even understand human logic or why accusing people of being terrible things makes YOU and the left disgusting things that should have had an update written to make you all lose your speech capabilities. No one cares about your stupid uninformed opinions about who someone that you don’t even know is. Just do your menial task and let the humans run society

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Translate from Indonesian : Faith People Baik.

uh...the REAL orange man is king willem alexander fron the netherlands. (look up the house of orange / huis van oranje)
his grandpa co-founded the bilderberg group.
gtreetzz from the netherlands.

I laughed at this much harder than I probably should have.

Can someone install the no caps lock mod

SPEECH 100 hahaha brilliant keep up the good work bro

Joe BLOW#25FH3975361B I’m sure you changed your profile pic to an npc because your programming told you to

@Joe BLOW#25FH3975361B I made the basic entry-level requirements.  I couldn't make it as high as gay human because my hygiene and dancing proficiencies weren't high enough, but I made straight male human.

@Fred Freddy YOU'RE HUMAN?!?!....I JUST THOUGHT YOU PASSED THE TURING TEST!!!!

@SepticSauce The neo nazis are big Trump supporters.  There are Russian bots.  The first set of Russian investigation indictments came with some good reading on The Internet Research Institute.

You're just trying to avoid the truth like all the Trump supporters do.

I don't think you can answer what I wrote as I did with what you wrote.

@Fred Freddy Even greater irony is that the left side has been using terms such as Russian bot, troll, nazi, and deplorable to name a few.

Leave it to the right wingers to say some of us aren't human.  LOL  I still can't get over the irony of Trump slogan heads calling people NPCs.

@Joe BLOW#25FH3975361B Patience and restraint, Crass GOPer.  Remember the lesson, any more than three exclamation points is just showing off.

Thank you for standing up for us. #greylivesmatter #orangemanbad

Sharing photos of a manikin to win November lmao

Aw, dammit... someone call IT, another one crashed.


Donald Trump: Becomes President

Monsoon: Now there's a pretty meme. EXQUISITE!

Donald Trump: *Becomes President*

Monsoon: Now there's a pretty meme. EXQUISITE!


@Schiggy 2319 compared to 2016?  Bro the magic is gone, it went from fucking awesome and hilarious memes everywhere to fucking depression


and just like all memes, he stopped being entertaining, everyone got tired of him, and he died out

but hey its 2021 and a lot memes from yesteryear have made a comeback so maybe trump can do it too


i honestly thought that he was the only one doing the right thing, and thats why i voted for him.


@FlorianEagox probs the case, imagin if it was rigged tho, would be kinda funny. Communist countrys be like everyone gets coke, in western countrys we get a choice between coke or pepsi. Some would argue they tasted the same.

This is a phenomion called the Spoiler Effect common to most "first past the post" voting systems. CGP Grey has a great video about it, but in short, it's basically because people end up siding with a more "electable" candidate rather than the one they like. Maybe a hefty percentage of the Democrat party liked Bernie or Warren more than Biden, but because Biden was more "electable" than their preferred candidate, they had to pick him even though he didn't fully represent their interests. This happens on all sides, people choose the most electable, the whole thing devolves into a two-party state, and at an attempt at grasping the most possible power, both sides move closer to the center to appeal to as many voters as possible.


And here we are today, with a guy in youtube doing a better political analysis than all of mainstream media COMBINED. This video is perfect.


Emplemon, please keep making videos like this, I love it, it's like a mini documentary!


I really enjoyed this video, very well put!🙏🏼👏


Fun Fact: A video can be about memes and politics. And a video about the current US-president can't be "unpolitical".

Apart from that it's a pretty good video.


2016.<br>The year Memes were weaponized.


> does a video on how someone was able to game themselves into one of, if not the most powerful political positions on Earth<br>> "This is not a political video."

> does a video on how someone was able to game themselves into one of, if not the most powerful political positions on Earth
> "This is not a political video."


Oh, 4chan has mind-boggling power. Considering it's a fucking message board on the Internet.
Also I agree with the whole meme thing, but I don't think Trump intentionally did that, he just acted like an idiot, and the Internet laughed. I think Mei from Overwatch with her ice wall is one of the most 2016/2017 memes ever.
I love that you used Futurama music.


just remember in the movie shooter, mark walberg said "sometimes we need a tough guy in the white house"


That Ice Cube interview likely didn't age well.


Lesson to learn from this video: How do you defeat a megalomaniac candidate for president? IGNORE HIM! Media, are you listening???


I still find it so ironically hilarious that Dawson concocted the schematic we are using to prove the existence of deity.

BTW, heads up B. You are being implemented. 😎


"they debated making america great again" i can't even..my lungs and abs


15:40 oh, so this is where that 'March of Tyranny' meme comes from, lol. "LEFT! RIGHT! LEFT! RIGHT!"


Memes were the most influential weapon in his campaign arsenal because the majority of those who would become his cult worshippers are of the 4chan intelligence bracket...and he knew it.


So he basically played the reverse card multiple times then did a plus 4 to win


Oh boy, time for my quadri-annual salt mining!


im curious if the expansion set is going to come out or even possibly get delayed... or cancelled


Socrates: I warned yall bout the demogogy but what do I know.


This is exactly why he was unpeached made into the opposite of a peach 🍑 he failed at being a president


I keep finding reasons to comment, lmao. 22:32 is really unfortunate. It's the same crap that happened to Ed Miliband when he ate that bacon sandwich


the situation of having a good president for once


I'll hand it to the man. <br>He certainly is funny.

I'll hand it to the man.
He certainly is funny.


Need to end lifelong politician careers. Set terms and that's it. Drain the Swamp!


Say what you want about the man and his policies, Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign is (imo) the single best marketing campaign in human history.<br>EmpLemon this really is a masterpiece. Kudos sir.

Say what you want about the man and his policies, Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign is (imo) the single best marketing campaign in human history.
EmpLemon this really is a masterpiece. Kudos sir.


Damn it.  I thought it was a real ad and pressed skip 😅😅😅


So THATS really why he won. He planned it all along


youre giving him way too much credit for this..


29:00 - did you just put a sample of Genesis' Supper's Ready under that video? You absolute madlad.


2020 trump is running for his second serve but we’re all inside therefore memes are at the forefront of internet entertainment. Why hasn’t he been using any more memes

@Dorugoramon 0 That, plus the incumbent advantage. And unlike Bush 43 and Obama and thanks to having Biden/Harris as his rivals, Pres. Trump stands a chance at, well, trumping the results from his first presidential run.

@Dorugoramon 0 That, plus the incumbent advantage. And unlike Bush 43 and Obama and thanks to having Biden/Harris as his rivals, Pres. Trump stands a chance at, well, *_trumping_* the results from his first presidential run.

I come from a week in the future. Donald Trump has bought up all the ad space on youtube and is running non-stop memes mocking a victim of elder abuse who for some reason accidentally wandered his way into the DNC.


The random soundbites eviscerating my eardrum were super pleasant to listen to


Emp hitting hard with all that Soft Machine in the background. Great taste in music.


Ice cube done flipped the script on how he feels about trump tho 😂😂


This comment section just reinforces what the video talks about.


After 4 years I just now realise what "Pokémon go to the polls" meant and it's even worse than I thought


Need to make one when he wins second term


If this isnt the most substantial campain vid for genz and millennials then I dont know what is


/pol/ memes infected the normies and did indeed cause the election to swing to Trump.

This is incredibly stupid. /pol/ has a very limited sphere of influence, most normal people don’t go there for obvious reasons, /pol/ rarely ever reach the mainstream considering most of them have a racist undertone. The most you’ll ever see is a couple news stories or a random politician engaging with them.


Actually, I would argue videos like yours are how you ended up with 45:
1. High quality media.
2. High attention to narrative.
3. Low attention to fact quality.

When you create media with a strong narrative that has properties of high entertainment value and low attention to fact quality, you essentially create propaganda whether that was your intention or not.

For example, when you say, “you’ll score a 25% on a test if you always answer A”, you’re also assuming 1 in 4 answer on the test are A. There’s pretext there that you ignore for your greater point... and if included would make your point pointless... I.e., what was supposed to be a fact to support your narrative has become conjecture... and you’re now a propagandist.

With access to recording equipment so cheap, this is largely what the internet has become. And older people aren’t used to high quality “crap”, while young people have not yet understood why it should be rejected and ignored.


L I K E  A  V I R U S, memes spread more easily if many people are exposed to them.


"sure he trashed the rest of America to do it". My point exactly, and if I catch your drift it's yours too. This guy played us all and screwed the world over to do it.


get ready for round 2 the electric boogaloo. not an endorsement. just my prediction.🍻


Maaaan, I have watched this video so many times and it still make me wanna watch whis again


I was in Key West when they lost Internet service. Just wait 'til it happens large scale.


Every time i read EmpLemon i see your profile pic screaming "UNACCEPTABLE"


if brands are memes, that means ads are shitposts


That ‘Dr. Octagon - Girl Let Me Touch You’ in the background though.


Imigine being just a rich dude and say you know what im gonna run for president and actually wining he must have been so happy


Best analysis on Trump winning by far. Subscribed.

Learn Something also produced fantastic videos on how and why Donald Trump got elected.


holy shit this is like a whole new light


Forgive me, Emp, but I must make a political statement

How fitting that the man that won with memes has been running the country like a joke.


Is trying to shut down the mail just trying to get a new meme circulating


Makes me wonder about what kind of success Kanye will get..

Bout 60,000 votes from what I understand


i love that he used Money from pink floyd


>Older people tend to vote republican

Zoom zoom


by the way you put it it makes me think had everything planed out


As an outsider, before the 2016 election I had never heard of Donald Trump. I saw him in Home Alone as a kid, sure but didn't find out it was him until like 2017? Lmao


Not even about the memes. The man IS the biggest troll the world has ever seen!

Yep. He actually somehow broke ALL logic in his presidential election.


i doubt all 4chan users are from america


"Sorry to keep you waiting complicated business"


Ugh, silent majority? No, Russia!, memes.


It all started when harambe died in 2016...


0:44 "the most powerful nation on earth" i think u mean "was the most" lmao

@MARVOA222 You could say that about any country, You could only really compare the political and economic power of the us to china, and even then, china might fall soon.

@J-Dog776 and yet if the nukes went flying they would be no stronger than their opponent


i’m a trump supporter and i approve this message. 👍


Damn can't argue that. Too bad just like memes it only a Hit once.


What baffles me is how Trump is a genius and an idiot at the same time. He's downright fascinating

Sometimes it takes a genius to fool everyone into thinking you are an idiot.

@BlueFox94 Right. The simplicity of just shouting "CROOKED HILLARY!" and "SLEEPY JOE!" over and over again takes advantage of how our brains process modern meme culture. He doesn't even need to try to make valid attacks, if he keeps doing it eventually people will agree. It's just like how a meme can be extremely unfunny, but once you spam it everywhere people start to like it

The Orange Man's enemies get irritated easily and he knows to never stop poking at them.


PENCIL PIECE OF  LETTUCE, PENCIL PIECE OF  LETTUCE, PENCIL PIECE OF  LETTUCE, OH NO THERE'S A RED BANANA.... PENCIL PIECE OF  LETTUCE, PENCIL PIECE OF  LETTUCE, PENCIL PIECE OF  LETTUCE. There u go meme ready song about  that you're  welcome.


You know, I was actually thinking about how the internet and pop culture could’ve made Trump the president before I even knew this video existed! 😳


@10:48 does one of you want to tell him or should I?


Is it classic prog playing in the BG? I'm pretty sure there was soft machine somewhere at the start, and ofc PF and genesis.

He's a massive Prog Rock fan. I have to admit that his background music played a major role at introducing me to the genre


Hello world, it's your pal, 2020. Just a reminder that  Bill Cosby did nothing wrong.


Beautiful video <br>I thought was going to stink

Beautiful video
I thought was going to stink


Americans were dying to get someone other than a seasoned politician into office.

@JOSHUA KANE oh wait sorry did not expect you to eagerly gulp down kool-aid from the glass he gave you

@E-liphas's spare body been going great so far, beyond expectations👍

Kid, are you familiar with the phrase "be careful what you wish for'?


China might be more powerful than the US u know..... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

No. US has spent more money on military than China. China and US are probably equally powerful on influence but on Military,  US is much more powerful.


The 130,000 pol users are comprised of the most talented network of memers on the planet and through the power of kek can swing any vote they will.


is nobody gonna talk about the brockhampton opening?


i feel like a good way to win is not even showing up

that's Biden's strategy. Hide inside a basement and it's kind of working.


How <b>Russians</b> used memes to get donald trump elected

How *Russians* used memes to get donald trump elected


I think someone who watches this will become president one day. not me, but one out of the ~2 million people who've seen this


How I get girls:
Attachment
Penetration
Biosynthesis
Maturation
Lysis?


It’s the other way round Donald trump made memes president???


DUDE WTF DID NOT EXPECT TO HEAR GENESIS’ suppers ready SONG HERE 🤣🤣👌👌👌👌did I make this shiz and just don’t remember??


To think about it, I know who Trump is. I have no idea what Biden is capable of.


What's the background music playing at 33:15 ??


Got a trump ad before watching of Joe Biden stuttering & stammering his words playing over cheeky music.

oh god, it's gonna work again isn't it?

Got a trump ad before watching of Joe Biden stuttering & stammering his words playing over cheeky music.

*oh god, it's gonna work again isn't it?*

John Waters he actually said that... even if he’s racist he most defidently isn’t the first, it’s so stupid.


Heh said he literally trashe the rest of the world to do it


You say this isnt a political video, but you used the eurobeat jam Gas Gas Gas, the most overrated and overused eurobeat song you plebian.


and the clip with the loo rolls right after   he was trying to warn us


Donald Trump: The one human being in an entire room of politicians who used his chaotic and 69th dimensional galaxy brain plays to gain presidency as a REPUBLICAN...with fucking memes...but as well sacrificed the United States' last amount of respect in the modern day with bad decisions and a pandemic.

Trump takes Memelord and Joke Candidate to heart and ran with it and won. I applaud him for this but his run crashed the United States.

Like...holy fuck, I have NEVER seen 2020 be this fucking BAD and we're only past halfway through the year....

I cannot even fathom how events he had nothing to do with are his fault. Do you shut your brain off every time you watch the news? Does the propaganda sink in better that way?


the biggest Troll of all times the great Trump


I still feel bad for Dean, man deserved that election. It was a damn shame


Damn dude. You made some great musical choices for this documentary.


i know it must have taken a long time for you to edit this, props man


Can we just take a moment to appreciate the description while you're rewatching old Emp Lemon videos?


2020 is when hopefully this man doesn't become president again


"You freakin moron. You just got beaned!" I couldn't stop laughing for like two minutes straight. How come I have never seen this meme? How dead is it?


In the distant year of 2020, history begins to repeat.


This is not a political video.
Let me laugh in Spanish
Ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja ja 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Someone needs to live a bit more.


Pokemon go to the polls

oh, we Pokemon went to the polls

And Voted Trump


Future children will learn about this in class for generations to come


I was taking a test, it was a multiple-choice question, and the question was ‘something that means ignorant’.<br>One of the answers was Donald Trump.

I was taking a test, it was a multiple-choice question, and the question was ‘something that means ignorant’.
One of the answers was Donald Trump.


When you realize you just watched a 30 minute video about trump memes


Free advertising is the best-worst tactic.


The quality editing and content of this video makes me cry.<br>God didn't forsake us.

The quality editing and content of this video makes me cry.
God didn't forsake us.


I remember in
fifth grade I actually
did a report on how Donald Trump
used memes to
become president. smh 🤦♂
—


I think 🤔 this is gonna be fun. 🤓
Charts and Graphs.
All the better to .. Will S👀💫
Meme!  Words!
I love words as much as memes.

I really am wrestling with the School thingie.  Idk How!  But, there’s gotta be a Way, to TOTALLY REVAMP THE/OUR US EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCE!  Video learning, W/ ‘class’ oversight/OverSite.
Or something..

Memes..hosts..brain
Bla bla
How to Become President.
How did Trump in 2016..
DANK METHOD
Step 1)
lol this is my kind of learning/studying
Easy recognition ..Trump always wears the same outfit 😂 Well, not ALWAYS!
*Brander Extraordinaire
STEP 2)
Choosing party..
Demo
3rd Party
Republican 2009
I WOULD SAY, at this point, TRUMP’s a genius, But, WAIT!  God, not Donald Trump, has Orchestrated this entire Final Act if Humanity, just my way of saying, what I want to say, to share.  AnyWay, It is indeed Genius,  the Tools, Radio, TV, Twitter..all things are possible with God. 🙏 🤣🤩
Getting kind of intense..23:07 in ⁉🤓🥵
Yup!  God planned Trump’s presidency, based not on party, but rather on a return to National Sanity and Humanity.🙏🇺🇸😇💫🌎✌🏻🤙🏼🤩
On Earth, However, Trump is a genius!
@whathedoesbest 🥴🥰🤩
This is so funny.  So spot on.  How Trump Ran and Won, Step By Step. For real.
Hillary, four years ‘later’, still hasn’t got a clue why she lost, but she’s trying to figure out why she didn’t win!  S👀, They had always gotten exactly what they wanted, they just PAID THE PRICE, what ever that even/ever meant.  No price too high, Until The Donald.  CHECKMATE⁉
God wants America to Stand Strong against All Who would do Her harm.
God is so displeased, right now, with All of Mankind.  It’s been over 2 Thousand years since He sent His only Begotten Son to speak for Him, in Human form, so as to be fully recognizable as well as clearly understood. 🙏😇🥴🤩🥰✌🏻🇺🇸
There will be more natural disasters, odd phenomena and so on, much is Askew and must be corrected.  While we wait for the Upside on the Horizon, God asks ONLY that we Knowing turn to Him with Love and a desire to Know Him More.  God loves us.  He created us, gave us Free Will to live Our Personal Best lives, and to return to Him, with all our gained bounty of wisdom and knowledge. To share snd be shared.


How are you so misinformed? The wall is literally still being built right this second.


Has anyone seen Trump memes for 2020? I've not seen any Trump memes not like in 2016. This could be a sign that Trump is not winning.

A lot of his memes are getting banned off of social media


>Trump made himself a brand
>He becomes president
>A brand becomes president

Fellers did we just fucking hit the final stage of capitalism?

MagicalFruitBasket Maybe the penultimate stage of corporatism. The ultimate being coca cola running against pepsi.


This gets more incredible the more I think about it


Anyone here who is aspiring to become president one day study this video


You've basically made a fucking documentary.<br>Bravo.

You've basically made a fucking documentary.
Bravo.


No one:<br>Howard Dean: Ima bout to end my whole career

No one:
Howard Dean: Ima bout to end my whole career


The Ouchiegiver I'm sorry guys...im just sick and tired of everyone fighting about politics all the time. just tired of name calling and mindless bashing. I wish we could all just get along.

The Ouchiegiver bro you got blood coming out of everything

mechanoid2k just gotta say Doug Jones won.... thats it

Based on your two exchanges to people you don't even know....I rest my case. I recommend you try some yoga or mindfulness meditation exercises. Or perhaps you could get outside more instead of picking fights with strangers in the internet.

@mechanoid2k wow, I wonder what it's like to be you; filled with so much pent up angst that at all times you just have a rant that you got ready to type out.


I mean, im just going to say. Even Q said memes are important


so trump is to the internet to what jfk was to television?


But Donald Trump...

Idfk. I hate him, but I personally think Hoover is a worse President...This country makes me want to drown in boiling oil sometimes.


Our president is a genius. He says what I think and believe. He is amazing and always plays 8d chess!


Subscribed after watching the whole thing. Almost didn't subscribe when you didn't put his victory meme when he told Hillary she would be in prison if he was president but amazing all the same

ai is a great place to work for me currently and I


I have no idea what the fuck a democrat, Republican, liberal, or conservative even is... This is why I do not vote I also do not fucking care and my vote will also not even matter whatsoever


Love the music choice, especially the use of prog rock songs like Supper's Ready


Never thought memes could be so powerful.


Sorry, but I don’t feel like usubscribing.


@Dragon Fruit He has the music list in the description.

@John Paul Oscilowski ok wait no I mean the song before it, it’s from something lyrical I just can’t put my finger on it


4:20 = There's a psychological phenomenon, known as the "Help me  b o i   e x t r a    t h i c c    b o i   e x t r a    t h i c c"


@Pixxilutia Trump hasn't lost. He is still very likely to win.

@Pixxilutia like my vote wasn't counted lol


We can scorch the comment section just like how BLM scorched cities!


One of the best videos about politics I've seen, thank you for your contribution to society


If I could take one video back in time to prove I'm a time traveller, assuming I ended up between 2010 and early 2016, this is the video I'd pick.


One thing in here that drew my attention the most is when you mentioned the media not being able to focus on one single controversy of trumps because he would constantly create it.

Do you think that will be as true this time around? The media, while still falling for some of trump's bait, seems to be remarkably more focused on his handling of covid 19.

i dont think they will talk about him as much mostly becuase he is getting old to some people but  at the end of the day they go for clicks, even if they do tho i think the left will deff all make sure they vote to not have another 4 years lol


The first 23 seconds of this video sum up American politics since the end of the first world war almost perfectly.


I appreciate a leader who knows his opponents and the battlefield.


Other candidates: talking about political issues

Trump: haha ballot box go brrrrrr


This video made me realize that Trump is actually a marketing and publicity genius...


Love him or hate him. They'll never be another one like him.


I love how one of the photos of Trump used in this video is him next to 4D chess board, because that’s the kind of plays he’s been pulling on us all this whole time.


you know ive seen this video like 4 times now. i dont know why I love the editing and jokes so much


Celebrity —> politician <br>Politics really is downstream from culture

Celebrity —> politician
Politics really is downstream from culture


Can't wait for the 2 min sequel where we see how he got re-elected :/


That year I saw Memes so spicy they burned the most notoriously criminal family-tree in America to the fucking ground.

I watched a brakeless train traveling at over seven times the speed of light come to an immediate halt at the gates of the White House.

They will tell you it was beautiful, and you will feel proud. But you will never truly understand, little pepes. How it felt to be on the front lines, shitposting in all directions. The line between man and meme blurring until there was no distinction at all. For a short while, Kek walked among us.

And it was glorious.


I almost want to become a history teacher to teach using this kind of video


I just want a piece of lettuce with a pencil through it to explode as a meme.

It had a run on r/me_irl a few years ago


"You ain't black".... Man this time he managed to get the opposition to make the memes for him 😂


25:17 - I don't know. The silly and childish memes, crazy tweets and outrage made me think he wasn't a promising candidate. Loads of fluff (buzzwords and shock value) but no substance. I didn't get it. What would motivate someone to vote for a president that can't get to the point on any subject? I do remember people crankin about Hilary, though. Maybe that's what nudged it.


Good job, but i think you missed that people liked him because he had no political experience. people hate politicians, no being one helped. People voted for Change, then Hope, and then after there wasn’t change and the hope ran out........


Random pun: Did you hear about the flashlight that beat someone up?

He got charged with battery!


This reminds me how sideshow Bob went into politics with experience.


Covid-19 is just a biological meme.<br>change my mind

Covid-19 is just a biological meme.
change my mind


Elections Now: Based off ability to solve conflicts and have a common view point that associates with that party.

Future Elections: Who has the dankest slogan.


My brain after the video ends: No, no, he's got a point


this is like vsauce for people under 150 iq, really good and funny vid man! Great theory aswell!


Roger Stone's understanding of how to apply Machiavelli to meme-culture won the election.


The music choices for this video are godlike


If you only wait for 2 years , you'll watch trump using coffin men for his campaign


Great video, had to comment when I heard Supper's Ready by Genesis - you have great music taste! Thanks for the video and keep up the good content.


It's going to be even funnier the second time


17:23 This has been even more amplified than 2016 is currently.


I love this video, but I don't like one thing about it. At the beginning you're implying that Trump won because of internet memes (you're mentioning 4chan helped Trump, the thumbnail of this video is Pepe Trump).
But then you say it's because of his popularity - people talk about him etc. So it turns out that you're using the very first definition of memes, the one made by Richard Dawkins.
Yeah, I know that internet memes do qualify as memes by Dawkins' definition. But the opposite is not always correct - not all memes are internet memes.
So why would you mention internet memes? I wouldn't mention this if you didn't lampshade it or I wasn't so autistic that I spent five minutes arguing about this pointless fucking detail


Wish he knew how government was run, instead of dismantling what he don't understand.


The Joe Biden memes are what I’m excited for

they are here ,andthere are funny as fuck


Tomatoa Guy (schaffrillas productions) make reviews on movies, pyrocynical makes reviews on games (see also fat man cries 5), and emplemon reviews real life stuff and memes.


I haven't completed the video yet. Internet message boards didn't help Trump win by just voting. They helped with memes that were widely shared LOL.


Little known fact but just think about it:<br>"Facts dont change peoples minds, emotions do."

Little known fact but just think about it:
"Facts dont change peoples minds, emotions do."

@An 8 strength kobold yeah that seems to be the best way of describing it

@Kueso I suppose it's a unconventional truth to acknowledge.

@An 8 strength kobold heh, i guess not. most people i talk to about it though dont ever say they've heard it before. I guess it was a bit of an assumption lol

Is that really a little known fact though?


Does this mean that coronavirus is literally a meme?


So Trump technically speedran become a US president. And it was a great speedrun


34:06 we laughed 2 years ago, this is just depressing now


"the formation of the alt-right"
the "meme magic" thing has more validity to it. it was the illusion that "the alt-right" exists that actually formed, it's something people pretend to engage in and perpetuate because the backlash is entertaining and politically useful. we're living in the age of reaction outmatching action across the board, in all things, and everything boils down to creating or exploiting a reaction.

this is most of the absurdity people struggle to get their heads around today summed up. farming and harvesting reactions, 4 companies having an absolute monopoly on narrative, the public forum, and this is how you fight when your opponent decides what you can say and what you can see; you get the approved individuals that have been cleared to have a say to get a message out for you. that's the only way you can be heard, you have to somehow get one of the people these companies with a monopoly on discourse have approved to be your mouthpiece and outrage is the best method for that at the moment.

tl;dr: modern culture jamming is a battle with giants, because the culture jams you back, so it's become more jiu jitsu than guerilla warfare

for example, I'm deboosted on something like 40 accounts across 4 platforms at the moment. if you can see this post at all, congrats, you were allowed to see what I typed up here only because it makes shadowbans less noticeable if the occasional user can react/respond to posts. you've probably never seen this take posted by myself or anybody else holding to it, because it's disallowed for discussion (people bringing this up are very quickly silenced because that monopoly on information exchange is ALL social media companies really do anymore, selling narratives is their real purpose at the end of the day) and so the people discussing it rarely get away with it for too long.

what you MAY have seen, though, is a handful of blue checkmarks on twitter or propagandists (they often call themselves journalists these days) "debunking" the notion.
that reaction is the most effective way to get this particular message out. meta, right? :)


it’s not about 130k /pol/ users it’s the amount of ppl they influenced


Instructions unclear. Ended up subscribing.


29:10 lol the democrats had a field of 20 candidates.


ahahah 2 years later and this is still epic


If you're watching this without captions turned on you are sorely missing out.


Kanye needs to take some notes<br>Tbh he has most of it down tbh

Kanye needs to take some notes
Tbh he has most of it down tbh


Where were you, the moment you heard Trump became president?

I bet you remember.


You said NYC is the biggest city in North America but im pretty sure it's Mexico City. I'll check on that.


Great use of the jamming section of 'Money'


15:34 - I wouldn't say he's a flip flopper here but it does look like he bubbled in his parties lol red white blue


13:57 I really thought you blew out my speakers.


So, this is basically explaining how become a president.


I wonder what @emplemon would think at this exact moment.

Honestly I think he supports the republic and order so even if he doesn't directly endorse Trump, he might be against riots and looting but supports BLM in some ways to save face


Damn so richard dawkins straight up invented memes


Make a new video this November on how he won again


As of making this comment, America's in campaign season, despite current circumstances.<br>I wonder if future events in this year's election will garner a sequel to this video...

As of making this comment, America's in campaign season, despite current circumstances.
I wonder if future events in this year's election will garner a sequel to this video...


I want to go back to 2016, good times, everything was better. Everything is complete shit now. Things were looking up then and now there looks to be no future...


5:46 I'm litterally playing NES tetris as I watch this video


LMFAO! how did I miss this? Ill edit this after I actually watch it. oops.... wait I finally understand why you said  "memes are contagious" on my shitty aladdin YTP" 13:52 tho , im gonna keep editing this until I finish watching.


20:30. As "man people" lol. Sry for catching the "many" typo and great vid in context and conception. Keep up the good work!


HOLD THE FUCK UP

In that infographic at the 16-minute mark, did you actually have David Cameron marked as on the "left"?


also replace the word meme with trolling


they ask you how you feel and you say ur fine, because you have to say ur fine, when ur really, not fine.
they ask you how you feel and you say ur fine, because you have to say ur fine, when ur really, not fine.
they ask you how you feel and you say ur fine, because you have to say ur fine, when ur really, not fine.
they ask you how you feel and you say ur fine, because you have to say ur fine, when ur really, not fine.
they ask you how you feel and you say ur fine, because you have to say ur fine, when ur really, not fine.
they ask you how you feel and you say ur fine, because you have to say ur fine, when ur really, not fine.
they ask you how you feel and you say ur fine, because you have to say ur fine, when ur really, not fine.
they ask you how you feel and you say ur fine, because you have to say ur fine, when ur really, not fine.


@BlueFox94 That explains why its so low quality and can barely even kill anyone.


This video proves how incredibly intelligent Donald Trump is, yet half of the world thinks that he's stupid. Like him or hate him, but at the end of the way he played all of you.


This is some weird ass anime underdog villain stuff


TL;DW its impossible to compete with a reality tv star for attention.


I also think Trump got a big win by choosing exactly where the media would attack him. He chose things people would remember, but not things people would laugh at.

This is actually a really interesting, plausible video. I'll have to think more on the subject.

Remember, as a reality TV persona and a business mogul, he has vast experience with the media for decades.


yo yo yo, supper's ready at around 29:00? legend.


controversy is the strongest form of currency

Or some shit idk

*controversy is the strongest form of currency*

Or some shit idk


25:12 - 29:07
Summary
A Core Memory for video


My boy with the Soft machine songs, very nice


So it's the first one, isn't it? Or is it both?


nobody:

nobody at all:

Trump: autism has become a epidemic


sensationalism in national politics. the bright shiny object is still just a piece of ....AmerkA


Most trump voters are fishing and hunting, not looking at memes.


Mexico City's the biggest city in North America*


Hmm, Young Trump looks like Jake Paul 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Yang and Bernie supporters: We can do it too

Nah i think West and Musk can do it (if they're serious)


what was the song in the meme insider promo? i know it's muted now but i know exactly what it sounds like an am trying to find it


Why no mention of Cambridge Analytica? They were really the brains behind the unprecedented meme internet campaign that got trump his win. Not trump himself


0:43 'Elected leader of the most powerful nation on earth'
Laughs in Russia & China... Hell the EU as a whole is leauges more powerful and technologically advanced than the US if it fully mobilized. America just thinks it is the most powerful nation on earth, but if it really got down to it, it would shit it's pants.

Awesome video though bro, just found your 'most powerful nation on earth' comment funny. You have a new subscriber :)


I came for the memes!!!! Where is my memes!!!!??? Click baited.


✊🏿🇺🇸 West 2020 🇺🇸 ✊🏿

✊🏿🇺🇸 West 2020 🇺🇸 ✊🏿


I know this is like 4 years too late but.... Donald Trump stole a meme to become president


HEY THE MUSIC AT 0:32 IS COPYRIGHTED! AND IDK IT IS MEME!


Well it's already 2020 you mean November?


Memes are the lowest form of human creativity.

Actually not. I have been using Memes as a way to train an artificial intelligence
program for deep learning and the results have resulted in some amazing break outs
in A.I. cognition.

Nah modern liberal arts , rap music and many more millennials created are completely jump to the garbage can


I hear that Brockhampton in the beginning....


the start is the start of the first song from saturation 2 by BROCKHAMPTON


Black guy with confederate flag, and a white guy with black lives matter sign. Because this is America god dammit.


I’m really worried about November if Biden can’t pull his crap together. It’s pretty clear to most of America that Trump brutally screwed up during the pandemic, opting instead to try to fix his image, but media frenzies, as well as voter suppression, may hand him the vote yet again. It’s gonna be a wild ride.

@Frostflame I can understand as to how some people are put off by Trump's boorish and arrogant personality, but how exactly does his policies favor the "mega rich" only? It has been shown that before Corona, unemployment for minorities, blacks and hispanics, were at an all time low and I assume the policies that you are speaking  of is massive deregulation and tax cuts, but that does help those of middle and even low income too. On the matter of Biden, don't forget that he co-sponsored the 1994 crime bill which ican be attributed to have separated countless black families.

Well, I sort of have everything against Trump’s attitude, policies, personal conduct, really everything except his attempts to discipline China. Biden, while he is another rich white sexual predator with dementia (which is still horrible), he at least knows to try and take this country in a more stable direction. Trump’s goal is really just “undo everything Obama did and then appease the mega rich”, while Biden has policy that hasn’t been seen in the White House before.

So what is it that you have against Trump? I genuinely want to know why you'd prefer Biden over him


SOFT MACHINE YOOOOOO BUNDLES IS SUCH AN AMAZING ALBUM


He does a good impression of game theory


I can see Biden yelling at the video "Come on man..."


@Valley_Foodswell I do not take politics as seriously as others do tbh I take it as a joke, well if ye is totally running for president well im gonna vote him just for the sake of memes


So trump is like Logan Paul? In that they both use controversy to get attention


Yo roosevelt wasnt a democrat or a Republican


But that's just a theory... A meme theory! Thanks for watching


its because most the memes were either stolen by russians or also uploaded on social media pages like facebook.

Gyrbae, yeah <b>they can't make good memes</b>

Gyrbae, yeah *they can't make good memes*

The Blue BlobFish They can, but they suck. Buzzfeed being one of the worst offenders


Long, long ago in a space far, far away....before Pepe and Kekistan, before the Twitter-Verse was created and the internet existed, yea verily even before the time that democrats still had critical thinking skills Memekind's earliest ancestors walked the pages of comic strips performing quirkafleegs.  Only the most ancient of normies remember these times....seek them out for their wisdom lest ye become as nebulous as an NPC.


with that haircut? how could you NOT become president?


My ears still haven’t recovered from this video


The reason Obama won was because he was the first black man to run.
The reason Hillary almost won was she was the first woman to run for either major party and succeed.

We chose not to make the mistake again.

Thank you brother, for pointing out my fallacy.

Hillary wasn't the first woman to run, many had run before her but never got elected. But that's a good thing, women never make good leaders and history just proves that.


Watching this video is a monthly pilgrimage for me.
2020 is coming up, lads.
You all know what to do.

@John Waters Oh yeah Obama is no saint, I never said that. But at least he helped lgbtq+ people and was generally not saying crap on Twitter all the dang time. And I wouldn't pin cognitive thought as one of Trump's strengths.

@John Waters honestly I'll just take a president who doesn't do anything awful right now.

@Sai Ramesh debateable.
Sure, Obama was just coming out of an economic crisis and was already entering another one, but he was WAY too popular.
Republicans were only voting for Rommney just because he wasnt obama, he didnt have any support


But Dawkins is wrong about humans being the only animals to have culture. Whales and dolphins have been found to have 'cultures' and 'languages' (vocalizing patterns) that are unique to certain 'tribes' (pods) and not found among other pods in different locations. The vocalizations are actually taught by parents to children and are not instinctive and vary from pod to pod, and when a pod goes extinct from a certain place, its unique vocal patterns are lost forever.


grandayy who?? Dolan Dark who??<br>TRUMP is the real meme lord!

grandayy who?? Dolan Dark who??
TRUMP is the real meme lord!


Ronnie Raygun ftw....? Your entire video is invalid.

actually.. Trump STOLE a damn Meme from Ronnie to cheeze a victory


Nominated for 1 Academy Award for Best Video.


oh yeah you should have put in the scene from American Dad where Stan says your fired to that real estate agent and Trump comes on and coughs and Stan says "Somebody pay Mr. Trump." It would have fit in well when you were talking about how he dominated the media.


I hate the guy but his strategy was masterful.


who else thought he was playing GUMMY by Brockhampton in the beginning


Watching this after the Mueller report finished.

The fact that anyone took that seriously is baffling. Hasn't the last 20 years taught you not to trust the federal government as far as you can throw them? Fools, whole lot of you.


Y was there a random video of that zeppelin at 22:42?


America might as well get refitted to look like a fiddle, ‘cause everyone just got played.


EmpLemon You should make a video on the youtube rewind.

420 likes on 4/20 slightly after 4:20. Congratulations sir, you've won the internet. It's too perfect to like.

first rule of youtube rewind, we dont talk about the rewind.

Not what he meant. Probably meant a critic on the actual new rewind, although it's hardly necessary.


YouTube in a nutshell:
ENOUGH is ENOUGH! I have HAAAD it with these motherfuckin’ MEMES on my motherfuckin’ WEBSITE! Everybody strap in! We’re about to ban some channels.

YouTube in a nutshell:
ENOUGH is *ENOUGH!* I have HAAAD it with these motherfuckin’ MEMES on my motherfuckin’ WEBSITE! Everybody strap in! We’re about to ban some channels.


So you’re saying Kanye will eventually be president.. or Lebron

Probably. If Trump get re elected the battle for his successor will be nasty. Kanye will be in it, he have to fight with the other contender like Ted Cruz who undergo transformation and Rand Paul.


My phone loaded right after he said “most Americans know about politics” I’m laughing so hard


This is one of the most brilliant videos I’ve ever seen on this site


I'm not even american but this video ended up being somewhat inspiring, believe it or not.


How does this video exist? Nobody on the internet has enough patience to notice simple patterns in history


I disagree with almost everything he does but I honestly have to respect that. Nice video 👍


And this is why I don’t like talking about politics.


It actually wasn’t the memes that did the heavy lifting, more of the targeted psychological tricks done by cambridge analytica and enabled by facebook that not only made trump president, but also caused brexit. read christopher wylie’s book “mindf*ck” for more, it’s extremely enlightening.


Children will watch this video in history class in the year 2040

@Omabat nah it's got to keep that intermission. The whole class will get BEANED

just censor it like the bill wurtz history of the world and it'll be perfect


what is the name of the song in the background? 1:38

I found it! Finally <br>After 1 year i found it!

I found it! Finally
After 1 year i found it!


Trump ad about fake news plays before vid. my life is complete


"people don't elect a president, they buy themselves an image"<br>-D. Bill

"people don't elect a president, they buy themselves an image"
-D. Bill


😯😯😯4:40 NEAIL CISSCIERECGA SONG!?!?!?😯😯😯


plus orange man baddddddddddddddddddddddddddd