I think it's interesting that both Clown and Tommy both hit on allot of the same points. I would ask how he's "bright" or "intelligent" when he's made so many stupid decisions, but clowns description of "social ineptitude" along with "no life experience" pretty much perfectly explains allot of that.

His net worth is still 4,000,000. That’s enough to live comfortably for the rest of your life off dividends and interest. He can let that money subsidize an upper middle class life style indefinitely..

Just watched an hour worth of your tf2 vids

actually I had this going in the background whilst editing. usually I listen to music or podcasts.

Ayyy Peterscraps, love your content. You have good taste in YouTubers.

Peterscraps oh hey it's Peterscraps! Cool to see you here


The part with Tommy C. made me a little emotional. It makes me feel bad that everyone hated leafy so bad and that there will be haters that never see these videos. On the other hand it makes me feel better to know that leafy is doing well and that he put down the game of youtube, and picked up the game of life.

Godspeed leafy, godspeed.

Ryan pimley for me it was clown's part I felt a little bit of truth like when you read something and you're like omg this is so true


I discovered this Channel through your recent Leafy video and end up binge watching all your videos afterwards and there were some seriously great videos (especially the exposés)!  I seriously can't wait to see what comes next!

Welcome to the team, stay a while and have some meme juice

Rants are nice and all, but have you tried green simpsons?

I just think politics arent really the issue here... it’s about this site n humanity... i think

PlayerPerPerson Personal Gaming

LOL!!! Didnt even look at that... but that’s rather alt left than alt right? 😂😂😂

PlayerPerPerson Personal Gaming

What I really like about EmpLemon when it comes to his Youtube criticism is that he provides evidence for all of his arguments. His statements are believable... why alt right?

PlayerPerPerson Personal Gaming

...What r u talkin bout? Is this sum sort of cis male pansexual stuff i dont understand?

Same here... going down the downward spiral

Kyotosomo remember when emperor lemon used to do YouTube poops?

I watched it a bunch of times before you all should too

Kyotosomo you should watch the YouTube downward spiral video

I first watched Emplemon back in 2013 before I had a channel. I subbed Emp in late 2017

Well, I've subscribed some time before the Trump meme theory video, mainly for YTPs, shitposts and well-edited rants... I never expected to see some documentaries like YT Geographic here, but I'm really glad I stuck around.

Ooooh fresh meat

i can't wait for him to be here

Kyotosomo Welcome to the downward spiral


One thing I love about you, EmpLemon, is that you make hour long videos feel like 20-30 minutes. Seems that only the better of your fans feel this while the less capable fans just complain. Congrats on the all the praise you got!

His videos are pretty well structured all things considered


Glad to see a YouTuber like this grow, channels with a history like this one’s are a dying breed.

Best of luck to not just you, but all small YouTubers who deserve growth.

Also RIP leafyishere, hopefully he will be resurrected.


This video- specifically, Tommy's testimony- completely changed my view on Calvin, and the Youtube sphere in general. I've never really been able to relate to any Youtubers, but Tommy's testimony really showed how Youtube is just a community, just like any others you can find on the internet. The only difference is, each member of the community has a large influence on millions of people. But this doesn't prevent things that happen in regular old communities from happening, just now they are also out there to be seen and influence millions of people who aren't really part of the community, and don't understand the semantics because it's on a larger scale. This video shows to me, more than any other possible could, that Youtubers are people. They don't need to do anything. They like this community, but they don't have to like or dislike people, and they don't have to stay or leave. I used to look up to many Youtubers as these ''Larger than life" excellent people that I should strive to be. But now, I just see them as regular people who stumbled across Youtube, and explicably got to be a part of it's smaller circle of people.

And, as for the idea of Calvin writing a book based on his time as a Youtuber, and what he's observed about the effect of fame and fortune on the minds of young people, this is the only time that I have instantly wanted to read something really bad. This sounds amazing, and considering what Tommy and Colossal had to say about what Calvin was really like, I think the book would be insightful and extremely interesting. Based on what I gained from this video, Calvin is higher up than most other Youtubers that I would normally respect infinitely more than him. While many Youtubers treat their experiences at face value, Calvin looks at the entire landscape over the last few years, and understands it, and is now above it.

I don't think I can say that I can have "More Respect" for Calvin now, after this video, but I can definitely say I see him as a completely different person, and I don't push him under the rug at all like I had before.

This video- specifically, Tommy's testimony- completely changed my view on Calvin, and the Youtube sphere in general. I've never _really_ been able to relate to any Youtubers, but Tommy's testimony really showed how Youtube is just a community, just like any others you can find on the internet. The only difference is, each member of the community has a large influence on millions of people. But this doesn't prevent things that happen in regular old communities from happening, just now they are also out there to be seen and influence millions of people who aren't really part of the community, and don't understand the semantics because it's on a larger scale. This video shows to me, more than any other possible could, that Youtubers are people. They don't _need_ to do anything. They like this community, but they don't have to like or dislike people, and they don't have to stay or leave. I used to look up to many Youtubers as these ''Larger than life" excellent people that I should strive to be. But now, I just see them as regular people who stumbled across Youtube, and explicably got to be a part of it's smaller circle of people.

And, as for the idea of Calvin writing a book based on his time as a Youtuber, and what he's observed about the effect of fame and fortune on the minds of young people, this is the only time that I have instantly wanted to read something really bad. This sounds amazing, and considering what Tommy and Colossal had to say about what Calvin was really like, I think the book would be insightful and extremely interesting. Based on what I gained from this video, Calvin is higher up than most other Youtubers that I would normally respect infinitely more than him. While many Youtubers treat their experiences at face value, Calvin looks at the entire landscape over the last few years, and understands it, and is now above it.

I don't think I can say that I can have "More Respect" for Calvin now, after this video, but I can definitely say I see him as a completely different person, and I don't push him under the rug at all like I had before.

Have u not read his autobiography leaf me alone?

It does give a different, less hostile view of Leafy. He could be more genuine, less toxic, and give something better to YouTube.

I Don't Like Birds - I think the best thing to come out of Emp's Leafy documentaries is exactly what you've laid out here: a much better understanding of the true nature of who Leafy really is, resulting from Emp's genuine effort to diagnose exactly what happened to his channel and why, right down to testimonies and the understanding and analysis of his character. It's amazing to me that we all have a level of empathy for Leafy that none of us would ever have had without these videos, and yet that was never the motivation for making them.

After the first video, I was left with a couple of questions, such as why Leafy never changed his strategy even after literally the whole website turned against him. But after hearing what ColossalIsCrazy and Tommy C had to say, the idea of Leafy being the more entrepreneurial and competitive type makes so much sense. When Tommy was talking about Leafy's attitudes to his channel and success, and how he treated his subscriber count like the score in a game of Pacman, it clicked for me, just like it did for Emp and everyone watching. He didn't care about his content or his earnings, he didn't even care about fame. He wanted to win, and the YouTube Analytics provided an easy and objective way to determine his dominance. It's like why lawyers are so expensive and why sales people live for making money - it's not about the money, its about the number, and who's got the highest. That's it.

All I can hope for is that Leafy learns to appreciate the perks of being humble, honest, and when to be sensitive to how others feel - these things aren't just good for the sake of being respected by more people.

That is exactly what I was thinking after I watched this video. It only made me respect him, and every other YouTuber, more.

I completely agree. Thanks for your opinion.


clown saying that the community were being hypocritical during the leafy hate train took the words out of my mouth, as for tommy, i have heard him talk about his personal experience with leafy before on sftp, but it was nice for him to go into further detail. once again great video!


Emp Lemon is what YouTube commentary should have been from the start. Analytical, thorough, and above mob mentality. Keep it up friend. I grew up laughing my ass off at your poops and now that I’m older I love your exposés. You’re awesome


the part where clown talked about "hating interacting with fans" is what confuses me the most because he always seemed to really enjoy it, especially in 2016. he always made videos featuring their fan art and responding/reacting to it. he even went out of his way to always talk to and reply to them on twitter, way more than most youtubers would. he always seemed to really appreciate the praise and acknowledgement he got from his fans and even made videos catering to what he thought that they wanted to see. maybe colossal is referring to later on in his career, because that doesn't totally make sense to me.


That moment when EmpLemon ironically calls himself everyone's favourite Youtuber but he actually is your favourite Youtuber


We really took the 2015-2016 era of YouTube for granted. Leafy was right when he said that many of the issues surrounding the platform back then seem insignificant and almost petty compared to what we're facing today. Worst part is, most of the more unsanitized, "edgier" (for lack of a better term) creators either have moved onto bigger and better things, flat out quit, or are so infrequent in video uploads that they may as well be considered retired, so there's no real massive counterculture that exists on here that can serve as an alternate option to the sterilized, manufactured content this site chooses to promote as the best talent they have to offer. All we can really do is observe the YouTube machine, as it has already become too big to stop. The Adpocalypse may be mostly over, but the damage has been left and the unwanted creators have heeded YouTube signals. PewDiePie is one of the sole exclusions to this, mostly because he was already a gargantuan force before he started making less advertiser-friendly content, but even he has become sort of an unwanted bastard child to the people who run YouTube.

Of course, that doesn't mean that edgy content no longer exists on YouTube, but you're lying to yourself if you think someone like FilthyFrank could obtain even a sliver of the success that they would have had three or four years ago. And it isn't like there's anything encouraging a new breed of creators in the same line of what existed back then, because most everyone is aware that the algorithm will fuck them out of any potential viewership they might obtain. So it's like, why even bother in the first place? In spirit, YouTube is a shallow husk of it's former self, and hardly any genuine personalities exist on here anymore, but I'm sure it is more profitable of a platform now than at any previous point in it's history, so all complaints about the type of content they encourage are likely completely insignificant to them. Good for them, I guess.

Not to say that we lack any inoffensive creators today, but most of them were lucky enough to come up before YouTube started solely dedicating themselves to appeasing advertisers, and once THOSE creators leave or stop uploading then there'll be practically no reason to come here unless you're 12 years old and idolize corporate Hollywood supermodels. All in all, we're fucked.


@Landon Wright Emp was Leafys backup once he made LeafyIsHere. It was his main until then.

Hey emplemon came before leafy so I don't know what you're thinking of

“YouTube would like to know your location”

OH FUCK, GET ON THOSE THIRD TIN FOIL HATS, FOLKS

The Firefan he might have done plastic surgery.

NoodleBro Emp did a body reveal during his Summer video and he has a chin, so I guess he's not leafy.

Welp, that ain't the first time I did something like that cough fanfics cough

Welp, that ain't the first time I did something like that *cough* fanfics *cough*

Ace The Not So Great You just created something on the internet that cannot be taken back.

OBJECTION - emp did a face reveal and he looks completely different


"Mumkey Jones hasn't gone on a downward spiral"<br>This particular comment didn't age well.

"Mumkey Jones hasn't gone on a downward spiral"
This particular comment didn't age well.

But about Leafy's return, that aged well


The fact that Colossal and Tommy C. stood up to share new info on Leafy in mid 2018 is so bizzarre


Wanna know something funny? since this leafywashere video came out, the first result when you search his channel is his actual channel. before there was no sign of his channel. just leafy related videos... just.. an observation

And now he's back, so them undoing the suppression is them playing themselves because his last two videos are doing very well.

Also if you watch a few videos of his, they're actually being recommended

They probably forgot to undo that tbh once he left.

That is actually very suspicious. It's good tho.


I hope for Leafy to come back, having learned from his mistakes, with new and improved content and strategies. He reminded me of myself, in many ways, and I truly enjoyed him.<br>Does anyone feel the same way?

I hope for Leafy to come back, having learned from his mistakes, with new and improved content and strategies. He reminded me of myself, in many ways, and I truly enjoyed him.
Does anyone feel the same way?


Long videos that are full of content and not padded are the best. It feels like a journey


I hope YouTube doesnt mess with your channel, your content is very mature and in depth. Its refreshing to listen to and it comes from someone who is close to the heart of what we find charming about YouTube :)

Dont make them shorter, longer is better!


Man, I remember playing every single one of those flash games back when we had a windows xp computer .

yeah. flash games are now reliant on emulators. also if you still are around, welcome back to this video.

You can still play many of them on flashpoint.

Just for the record

I remember when I used to play games with flash

now I use Newgrounds Player

- God tier anon

I remember when I used to play games with flash

*now I use Newgrounds Player*

- God tier anon

OMG me too how did you know i played flash games on my windows XP?

School Computer time... Good Times... Good Times


I've never really liked Leafy's content. I still don't. Which is why when the drama went down and Leafy got pasted with all the hate for being backstabbing and duplicitous and other kinds of heinous shit, I was inclined to believe them... even though I've forgotten most of that silly drama. But seeing this reminds me of how overblown most of that youtube drama was, and of how glad I am that it's all over. But this only makes me more upset, because now I'm wondering why someone as talented and intelligent as Leafy appears to be would waste his time on the stuff he made? But I guess it's the Subscriber game, as Tommy C put it. There are things the man did that are indefensible, but I still feel his biggest mistake was just letting himself rely on cheap throwaway content. Because that content breeds a type of fan- and creator-base that tends to be a vector for the type of High-School drama cancer that took him and so many others down. Tommy, if you ever see this, you gotta tell that man that Calvin deserves a lot better than to be remembered as Leafy.


GradeA don't seem like he'll be any important for a YTG, like Leafy is. However his popularity at that time did set an important standard in my eye. That's you didn't really need to be professional in order to be big. You didn't need fancy high quality equipment to win people over. All he needed was MSPaint, and a laptop microphone. That alone tell me that the little man still had a chance, but only if you're passionate enough to do it. Shame how he's fallen, and very surprised on how he didn't take the blow much worse than Leafy. At least Grade is lucky being forgotten. Leafy is universally hated by majority, and will always be remembered. Sure Grade is too, but you don't really see him being an impact to Youtube history, despite the allegations to keem, and how he treated the reddit mods. Leafy I always felt bad for, but I won't say he wasn't asking for it. it was a long time coming for him, but damn how he was banished to the shadow realm was just nuts.

Also, Grade's original videos before drama were really funny. He could have easily returned to those and he would've been fine.


I think YouTube is becoming a more fragmented platform. Focus groups will be seamlessly separated within the platform based on the content they watch; all done by the all-powerful recommendation AI that YT trains on its users. Kids will see kids video, artsy people will see artsy content, and so on. There'll be some points of connection, just enough to bring you to communities you'll probably like, but never enough to find challenging content. <br>Everyone is a point on an infinite field of intersecting content, impossibly separated and identified by machines we'll never comprehend.

I think YouTube is becoming a more fragmented platform. Focus groups will be seamlessly separated within the platform based on the content they watch; all done by the all-powerful recommendation AI that YT trains on its users. Kids will see kids video, artsy people will see artsy content, and so on. There'll be some points of connection, just enough to bring you to communities you'll probably like, but never enough to find challenging content.
Everyone is a point on an infinite field of intersecting content, impossibly separated and identified by machines we'll never comprehend.

crookback - there's a "Not Interested" button on mobile when you tap on the option button beside recommended videos. You can modify the bot to your liking a little bit. I've blocked several channels whose personality i dislike

This would be a shocking eye-opener for a YouTuber just being a creative freelancer from 2007 till now not knowing what has been going on on the site. It's like an event in the real world that triggers nihilism but for YouTube

I think it's inevitable that Youtube becomes fragmented like television for the past 20-30 years.

C.Home your right but eventually we the viewers figure it out and in effect show them that we know and we are ready to hurt them where it hurts. Just imagine a boycott of youtube, maybe a loss in money will show that they can't do shit like that and get away with it.

Trenton Anderson I think YouTube would get more backlash if they openly said what sort of channels they don't want. The whole conspiracy with the gun shit shows that the reason they work in the shadows is because people would directly have backlash. They would rather have us just not know how things are working. YouTube's operations are like controlled chaos. That way they don't make it obvious when they censor something like gun channels. This stuff will continue to happen. YouTube has an agenda.

In fact YouTube would be smart in just letting us, the people deal with channels that are considered cancer, like Elsa gate. Instead of this psycho shit.

That is true, but that is also how they control the website. I think in order to have a free YouTube is to first show YouTube consequences of censoring people, I.e hurt them in the wallet.

i disagree on not finding challenging content, it just takes a long while.

like about 2 years ago i used to watch some political commontators (armoured skeptic being the first) and then after a while watched more and more on and off until the early EU copyright crap was commented on by anti EU channels and the recommendations were... questionable.

like it was pretty much conspiracy theorist going from immigration being a problem into muslims will destroy democrissy by implementing sharia law because some countrys have 3 muslim MP's out of over 100 with no regard for voting boundarys.

but i do agree that youtube only spreads out slowly, only enough to make the average consumer not notice they're in a bubble, but definitely still trapping people in loops, like for example for a week my recommended was just smash content after the smash ultimate reveal, now i'm fucking sick of seeing smash 4 on my feed.
the algorythm is actually making me loath using the site because it's overloading me on repetitive videos.

You know what? This is most likely the case.

Justin N. hah Justin y but with more turtle power

In my recommended all I see is bolded clickbait titles when my focus are on car enthusiasm. Regardless the fact I try to block "Logan Paul" video types they are everywhere on my feed. I think YouTube is trying to steer viewers into those type of videos. Screaming, emotional, instagramming, teenagers vlogging themselves or whatever they do.


Hot damn. What an eye opener.

I was firmly in the camp of hate leaf boi even after watching your YT Geo. video, but now I've found that I have a lot in common with him like his passion for eSports and love of Quake. I even share some the negatives like being abusive towards children over the internet. A very strange realization then came over me: He was exaggerating the negative side of his personality to gain views and become the champion no matter the cost.
Even if YT themselves had a hand in his downfall he was still going to play the game his own way to the bitter end. Like someone using an exploit to reach and win a grand final. The methods he used made him look bad, but they were effective, and he won the prize money, but his reputation would be forever tainted.

BirdsEyeView I’ve always liked Leafy until 2017 when his views started to die out, and sorta forgot about him. Now, I’m actually surprised how similar we sorta are in terms of passions. I love Quake and eSports, and many other things.


Those two interviews were very insightful. This video... Man, just thank you. In a way, it feels like I've gotten closure on what happened with Leafy. It's good knowing he's doing alright. I remember theorizing about YouTube targeting him some point mid2017 when it had been nearly a whole year after since YouTube 2016 was reaching its climax. And you know, back then, that time in 2017. It saddened me to think how he just fell off the map. I'd never seen a channel go from 100 to 0 so quickly. And I'll admit, I liked his normal commentator videos. I still remember my favorite videos were usually the videos about his own life. I dunno, I guess I just love when people just stop and reminisce. For any piece of any history, nothing hurts more than being forgotten.


Is it just me, or does a YT Geographic on JonTron sound interesting? Not saying that he's gone onto the "downward spiral" necessarily, but it's just that he and the channel seem to have been through a lot. Drama, audiences, production adaptations. Quite a bit to go off there, but you do you. Great video btw.

@Nick Mettert GenoSamuel is already working on an extensive documentary series about ChrisChan, so if you want to go down THAT rabbit hole...enter at your own risk

@Noriaki Cuckyoin yes. Thanks for asking. ;)

There will never ever be another youtuber like Jontron

@Nick Mettert he's still posting and updating, also, there are many channels documenting everything he ever posted, did, wrote, said, etc

JonTron is coming back. Check his Twitter.

Not to mention how many other content creators he's influenced.

are jon and arin still friends?

is this meme dead

Reebz honestly this seems like a pretty good idea


Excellent video, a lot of stuff learned.
Leafy sounds like a really interesting person.
I’d be eager to see him return to the Internet, not necessarily YouTube, in some way....

Excellent video, a lot of *stuff* learned.
Leafy sounds like a really interesting person.
I’d be eager to see him return to the Internet, not necessarily YouTube, in some way....


Wow, that last segment with Tommy C was worth sitting through 40 minutes of Q and A. Makes me glad I have an attention span greater than 10 minutes

y'know most of the people who aren't going to watch this video aren't doing so because their attention span is short - but rather, because it's an hour long video about a subject that Emp already made an hour long video on - but the first one was well-edited and high-effort, while this is just talking.  Even the qualifier of why the video is so long took about 8 minutes lol

There are only so many hours in a day and so many days in a year and so many years in a life.  Wasting an hour on something that might not be dense with entertainment, knowledge or other enjoyment is just silly when there are billions of shorter videos that the viewer assumes are just as good.

I think if Emp was much more brief in summarizing why the video was long (say, 1 minute instead of 8) then people wouldn't have clicked off the video as much. :P

That being said, I watched the whole video and was satisfied, but people who thought it was too long aren't wrong.


If leafy came back as a hardcore gamer I would totally support him. It would definitely be a nice transition from the toxicity that slowly got worse and worse as his channel grew.


Calvin, where ever you are, you sound cool. I would probably do the same thing you did, and I wish you the best. Cheers, my friend.


"He was like Mike Tyson at a time he was a champ he won the game then he lost the game then he picked up a new game and started again" - Tommy C

Wow that has to be a inspirational quote.


You know if i could, i would probably meet Calvin. From what tommy C said, he seems like someone i could be on the same lvl with. Gamers to the core (seriuosly, when im in waist deep in a game, i study it to be thee most efficient player), intellegent (k that sounds douchy, i know), business viewing...seems like an awesome dude to kick back and play something while conversing on something thay can be deep or something on a game. Tommy was right that he is fascinating, which is why i say all this. I've subbed him since 2015, and found his content...in a sense, "original". I didnt like the toxicity part of it, but the fact that he went "fuck it ill say what i want" just really amazed me.

Side note, yeah he be competitive af, but he be up against another sweatshirt as well.

But idk, it just be cool


Wow, this was extremely revealing about Leafy's character. I'm glad you managed to get these extra sources to let us know what happened. And you're a gosh darn genius for getting your theory entirely right :O

I'm freaking impressed xD

ChordsBoy I remember hearing a similar theory on TheGamerFromMars.

I really hope that happens tbh xD

It'd be great to see all these top YouTubers start talking about these issue, and mayyybe YouTube would do something about it!

Ah, who am I kidding? YouTube is too money hungry -_-

I really hope that happens tbh xD

It'd be great to see all these top YouTubers start talking about these issue, and _mayyybe_ YouTube would do something about it!

Ah, who am I kidding? YouTube is too money hungry -_-

ChordsBoy yeah if this video gets big it will start a snowball effect and it will put big youtubers into worry

Well yeah, that part of the theory isn't proven , but it might as well have been. It's obvious that at least something is going on in terms of YouTube's algorithm and such.

But I was mainly talking about the aspects of Leafy that EmpLemon just theorized about, like why he left and the kind of person he is. I dunno, it just seemed pretty cool that he figured that out lol

Well yeah, that part of the theory isn't _proven_ , but it might as well have been. It's obvious that at least something is going on in terms of YouTube's algorithm and such.

But I was mainly talking about the aspects of Leafy that EmpLemon just theorized about, like why he left and the kind of person he is. I dunno, it just seemed pretty cool that he figured that out lol

ChordsBoy its still a theory because youtube hasn't come out and said that they have been doing it


Mumkey: When is mumkey doc
Emplemon: you haven't been on downward spiral
Me: oh...the irony


I would LOVE to see him come back as Calvin. Had fun when he was in his prime but how he really is sounds so much more interesting.


I would love to know Calvin personally and get t be friends with him. He sounds like a cool and complicated guy. This might not be the most popular opinion but I’m sticking with it.

Fatt Adolph Shea him and keem have made up and aren't enemies anymore

Gabriel Cobb until he betrays you like he did with keem

It would be pretty cool to be his friend


His net worth is still 4,000,000. That’s enough to live comfortably for the rest of your life off dividends and interest. He can let that money subsidize an upper middle class life style indefinitely..he won. 2 years of work for a lifetime of liesure

Keem said he doubled his money, and he does stocks hardcore so I believe


Theory: Mumkey Jones went on a downward spiral so Emp would make a Youtube Geographic about him


NOW he can make YouTube Geographic - Mumkey Jones


There is so much predicting and “foreshadowing” in this video that ended up coming true holy fuck.


The 2 leafy videos are great videos. Anyone on the site in 2016 should really watch them.


When someone else sees an EmpLemon video over 30 minutes they say “too long”.<br>When I see an EmpLemon video over 30 minutes I say “not long enough”.

When someone else sees an EmpLemon video over 30 minutes they say “too long”.
When I see an EmpLemon video over 30 minutes I say “not long enough”.


I'm not gonna lie when I say you are my favorite YouTuber. Whether your commentaries are scripted or live, you really deliver your thoughts and points in an entertaining yet informative way. Also your YTP editing skills transition nicely in your scripted commentaries, especially for visuals.
I would like to see some more of these types of podcasts, they are really interesting to listen to. Plus they take less time to make than scripted commentaries and YTPs.
I'm looking forward to more of your content in the future.


32:54 "it's better to be hated than being irivelent"

EmpLemon 2018


30:13 Emp predicted that YT would come out and say that Leafy was breaking cyberbullying rules and guidelines instead of saying that he was a danger to the family friendly advertisers. Years later after Leafy comes back, this situation occurs.


I kinda hope Calvin comes back as himself to youtube and not just the persona of leafy.


Why do people not appreciate your long videos? How longer the video, how better the video

EmpLemon could made a 5 hour video and I would be like "welp... there goes my afternoon." xd


2016 was an interesting year when it came to drama. You had Keemstar, Scarce, Leafy, Pyro, GradeA, Colossal, H3H3, and iDubbbz gong at it. Poodlecorp and Lizard Squad hacking WatchMojo, Leafy, and Redmercy along with countless Blizzard servers. The whole election going on so there was drama with other YouTubers with that shit. Onision with the Christina Grimme incindent and so much more shit. Gotta admit, as shitty as youtube itself was that year, watching all that shit go down kept me well entertained.


@Flutter Butter i didn't expect you here too

You are totally the person who would watch emplemon lol

Anthonypit1: makes how 2 alibi

Twomad: makes how 3 alibi

Anthonypit1: makes how 2 alibi

Twomad: *makes how 3 alibi*

no way you watch these kinds of contents? by the way love your overwatch vids


Makes 1 hour long video

Both the video and its subject took months in total

Has one ad

i love you

@Weasel Spandex Emp still makes revenue with RedTube or PremiumTube

@Sir J. Bagelton people are learning a lot this thread

Does this mean that youtubers can actually control how many and when the ads happen in the vid???  This explains why these freakin ads keep poppin up at the WORST times. My goodness.

Instead of normal and dark theme mode on normal YouTube Redtube allows you to change it to red theme


As a fan of your content, I can only say one thing.

Beautiful.

Even though Leafy did some scummy things, I can't help but to admire him post YouTube.


These videos really inspired me man.....Idk I for some reason feel like I have a responsibility to show people these videos in light of what happened to leafy and just the fucked situation he was in. He might just about be one of the most interesting people I have ever seen on the whole internet. He had something to bring to the table and he really did leave a big impact and left his mark. That just left him with the big downfall of his youtube career. Thank you for the light you have brought to this subject, and thank you for the in depth roller coaster i have just experienced. I had no idea Youtube had this much of an impact on peoples lives and their physiological state. This is truly an interesting study that I hope to do some more research on.


I will say I'm eager to see if Leafy will ever come back, but with his recent actions before officially going off grid with the money and content trade off scandal, bashing on kids and not keeping elements of his past content I'm concerned and realistically thinking what might happen if he ever comes back

Plus if he does he might not be in the caring mood since it's said (by Tommy C at least) he's already set with plenty of money and is living life

In short, I hope the best for the dude in what he encounters and how he handles everything, from the looks of it there aren't many good people rising from others recently, but there are people that do


tommy changed my perspective of leafy. he was passionate about youtube. until it wasnt fun anymore. but moving on to passionate things. im starrting to like leafy. accept the things he did wrong.


Great video as always, this was surprisingly informative on leafy on a more personal note, and definitely helped to humanize him.


I very much enjoy your YouTube Geographic series, as well as the rest of your longer videos. The editing is phenomenal, and the videos themselves are very informative. While a lot of people stretch for time, I feel like your videos are like The Good, The Bad,  and The Ugly in the sense that they're long, but I couldn't see them being any shorter


It's a very likely chance that he will return, he's using this as a tool to come back with a good push


The towerdog leaks and you're take on the matter may also explain why celebs youtubers were so boastful about their numbers and views at those time.
 I think that YT was trying really hard to reach to kids and Youngs between 2012 and 2017, trying in fact to renew its audience. The fact that kids are more gullible and  tend to coment more often than other age-classes was in my opinion the reason why those big channels tried first to enforce this kind of understanding the trends and career trajectories of other ytbers. Numbers were law at those times, and now nobody can stop talking about how commenting, liking and quantifying options are important to a channel nowadays.
Broken English, appologies


Keep fighting for the youtubers, go emp. Don't let Youtube win.


I'm all open arms for leafy if he comes back and makes some good content that isn't commentary videos, maybe something he actually likes


Your content and analysis of YouTube has kept me happy for the past 4 years, you deserve this spike in popularity 100%.


I'm glad the old vid got a follow up. I always saw the sins of Leafy as universally shared among most people on YouTube. I'm really glad you made these 2 videos, I don't think I have many more questions to ask about this now. Leafy actually inspired me to try and make videos so I bought a capture card... then I lost internet access for a year and his channel was run into the ground. If only I knew all of this in 2015 when I subscribed to this dude playing CS:GO and telling life stories. Thank you for making this video, all of the confusion has been taken away.


Man after hearing Tommy C. I want leafy to come back as a philosopher goddamn

Not exactly a philosopher but his take on Keem vs H3H3 was on point.


I’ve been watching you since your old ytp days and seeing a video you put your time and effort to this extent get appreciated is just great to watch! Good work Emp


This was a really good video. The multiple perspectives really contributed to the overall story.

Caleb Benson you want to see politics in your video game ? I don't +most people don't associate with anti feminist or feminist because they are affraid look at all the ''right wing'' (as media says ) youtuber or even activist they are In deep shit or at least they were feminist are just crazy so people don't want to be called crazy and they don't want to be in deep shit  too

BTW if you see this, I think one of the things that REALLY deserves a youtube geographic is youtube politics. Not you talking about your political opinion, (kinda thought your EU vid was trash) but just the state of politics on this website. It's really interesting to see the reflection of society in this website.

Bush = Athiest youtube
Obama = anti-feminist youtube
trump = radical politics youtube

Reasons why youtube is so right wing would be intresting ive never been sure why. You might think I'm biased but only 5% of americans identify as antifeminist, wheras its like the mainstream view on youtube even for neutral channels.


I began watching this video with no idea of how any nuance could possibly be given to the subject. I have to say that I’ve been very pleasantly surprised. This new insight gives me a perspective that I never would have gotten even back in 2016. Definitely worth watching all the way through.


It's interesting how Leafy's content makes him seem like some kind of shallow airhead, yet I can believe that he's as intelligent as they say.  He probably just minimized the work put into each video to maximize his numbers.  He certainly rode waves of YouTube fame for a while, and he knew how to get into some healthy controversy and consistently appeal to people he didn't even like much.  If YouTube itself didn't pull the plug, he very well could have faded away, but he also could have branched out like PewDiePie did.  Whatever he does, I wish him the best, and I hope that he doesn't get too obsessed or screw anyone over.


A one hour EmpLemon video? THANK THE LORD MONTIZON!

The latest harvest has been better than never before. Montizon must be appeased with our offerings.

Thankfully, Youtube isn’t Emp’s job, more of a hobby. If it was his job, he’d be more than dead by now.


i love watching longer videos from you! sometimes i just sit back and watch or listen while i’m cleaning or doing my homework. i’m so glad that you’re blowing up right now, congrats man


I actually really enjoyed this video. Even if it is just you answering questions for an hour, the way you get the answers out there is pretty chill and insightful for what goes on behind the scenes. All and all, pretty cool.


mum: you have to leave in 1 hour
me: just enough time for a emplemon video

dont get me wrong i watch the whole vid every time i like the length of the vids


22:35
Welp, Mumkey's been on his downward spiral. Can we get that YouTube Geographic now?


This was a truly great video. I am so impressed with your research skills and attention to detail! I'm really happy I subscribed to your channel; you are awesome♥


great vid dude. You're one of the few people who would have ever even cared enough to show both sides and not take the cheap and easy narrative. Keep making good stuff!


Those last 20 minutes accompanied by the music actually almost made me want to cry. I never realized how much of an intellectual Leafy was, and now that I look back, I feel like I could’ve seen bits and pieces of his intelligence scattered throughout his videos. I really do miss him. It was as if there was a slight part of myself in his personality, whether that persona was real or fake I’ll never know, but for a while, I enjoyed his content and who he was. I feel like with this new outlook on him, I could enjoy it even more. He won the game, and I wish he could teach us all a few tricks on how to win our own games.


You deserve it dude great job on putting up such a masterpiece of a video :D keep up the good work!!


2 years later, Emp was right. Leafy has returned with two videos seemingly attacking idubbbz and that situation. The editing style of these videos shows his lack of change, and his endcards "website is still shit" shows hes still watching youtube. Who knows if this is his comeback to the platform, or just two random videos he decided to make and post, i guess we will find out soon......

@Sukellusmies He needs to keep up his Reptilian persona. He may be a bit more chill behind it but this is his business on Youtube. Also he seems to have only been back just for the fun of it.

@Jewska while I agree at the same time I though it's a funny revenge story fill with irony

honestly think he should't have uploaded those videos. He could have made something a bit more... positive


I remember back then I used to dislike leafy intensely and make him out in my head as irredeemable person. I even made a rant video back then about him, I unlisted because I don't like it. I now feel sorry for him and have a new found admiration for him. In many ways I agree with your quote "there's a bit of leafy in all of us." Because I see a lot of leafy in myself, and in many other people on and offline. I just wish we could see him make a come back.


I’m a new sub, and I really appreciate the effort put into each and every video. You make good stuff dude. You’re gonna be big.


These videos are some of the most thought provoking I've heard, wonderful stuff emp


I will say this, Leafy's leaving was a brilliant move on his part, now everyone is talking about him again....I do think he'll come back.


This Video, and the other video made on Leafy, has truly changed my thoughts and views of Leafy and his channel. I used to think of leafy how everybody thought of him, an evil bastard who is willing to throw people into a warzone for fame. But after these two videos, I have a new view on him. I now see him as a guy who did wrong, but felt forced to keep going because of youtube fame, not for It. For this EmpLemon, I thank you.


Thanks lemon, i really appreciate your hunt for the inner machinations of youtubes schemes and behind the scenes stuff, and thanks for giving me, like you said, some closure, i just hope no one tries hunting or hounding people who know leafy after this, if he does he does, if he doesn't he doesn't


To me, it's good that those were 51 minutes well spent alongside playing The Sims 3 at 3 AM for two reasons:

One is that's almost the same runtime as a typical Nat Geo documentary, and two is that I get to go down the rabbit hole to find what was going on.


Only EmperorLemon can make me miss 2016 Leafy drama.<br>Great video.

Only EmperorLemon can make me miss 2016 Leafy drama.
Great video.


The god damn nostalgia factor on the leafy vids. It's like watching interviews with people who knew dead rockstars.

Nevermind 1234 he is a dead YouTube Star , for now maybe he'll come back


I don’t want leafy’s old content to come back, but I want leafy to come back. I want to see who he is today, from what I’ve heard from him in regards to his personality I want to see him project that into content. Much like I appreciated h3h3’s personality, I feel like I would appreciate his personality, even if it’s at the other side of the spectrum.

I'm just a faggot with a rocket launcher


This is a lot happier of an ending that I expected. I expected he was some dude now in the poor house stuck remembering his days of empire and glory, but he’s a happy, wealthy man going about his life. I’m glad he made it out happy.


Thank you EmpLemon, for giving so much insight of a youtuber's rise and fall.


I will say, your commentary videos are a great thing to listen to while working.<br>Keep these videos up, they're great to listen to!

I will say, your commentary videos are a great thing to listen to while working.
Keep these videos up, they're great to listen to!


R.I.P. LeafyIsHere 2011-2017 ~ 2020-2020😭

Update: Just watched the interview with Keem, ended up missing Leafy even more.


This video is great, but also a paradox. Knowing that Leafy has a normal life humanizes him, but the fact that he acts so strangely to his empire collapsing almost makes him more inhuman than ever. Then there's Tommy C showing no remorse for attacking Leafy back in the day like some scumbag lawyer making fun of his clients behind their backs (I worked at a law firm, I know what I'm talking about). It really shows how petty internet fame can change people, make them inhuman. What an interesting look into the youtuber community...


Let’s all admit, if Leafy came back and started acting like Tommy described him as, my money’s on he could probably bounce back.


You deserved every single view and sub, been a long time fan and finally happy you get the view and subs you’ve been deserving


I remember you one time saying you read all your comments. I hope you still do (or even can with the influx of new viewers and commenters) just you can see me say that your very comfortably in my top 5 favorite youtube channels. I absolutely adore your editing style and the topics you discuss. I’m very happy your channel is growing so nicely so more people can see your great channel.


Whatever you make next I am excited to see it, youtube geographic and your rants are top, keep it up mate.


I'm glad I tuned into this. I've been always ignorantly wondering what happened to Leafy(since I was quite a bit of a fan of him, and I still am despites the hates and criticism he gets.) until I stumbled upon your Geographic video and now this. This video answered a few of my questions and made me hope for his return, changed. And I am thankful for it; thank you for making these videos.


VOID for sure now it is, 2 years ago it wasn’t

@Hush Roll maybe but id say leafy's story is even more well known

I think it would be a better never ever video

Really isn't much to say about the context of the show but a lore and history analysis would be sick

@Princess Applestrach Emp could still cover him though.

@Nick Name oh okay idk I've  only heard rumors so yeah

@Princess Applestrach
the opposite; he was actually very happy with what he was doing, and didnt want to stop. what forced him to was a medical opinion

right after that, he released an incredibly depressing album. i think theres a correlation, even if tiny

Branon M frank was filthy youtube geographic

He's made some great songs though, and I don't like rap.

He decided to make the worse “music” the work has ever seen

It would make a fascinating YouTube Geographic even if he didn't fall or go through a downward spiral. A youtuber named Serena did an interesting video essay on the whole cancer crew. It was more of an analysis from a film studies perspective but it was interesting nonetheless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbaV6o_aFP4&t=524s

I'd love to see that, although Papa Franku didn't fall like Leafy did. All that happened was Joji didn't feel happy making the content anymore <i>and</i> it was actually affecting his health (he actually needed to get surgery because doing the guttural Frank voice damaged his vocal cords I think) and he switched instead into making serious lo-fi music with 88Rising.

I'd love to see that, although Papa Franku didn't fall like Leafy did. All that happened was Joji didn't feel happy making the content anymore _and_ it was actually affecting his health (he actually needed to get surgery because doing the guttural Frank voice damaged his vocal cords I think) and he switched instead into making serious lo-fi music with 88Rising.

his youtube career is still such an interesting story

Well he just quitted YouTube on his own I think he just did not like what he was doing anymore I'm not sure tho


I'm not 100% convinced that youtube would have chosen to specifically target you. Your videos aren't obscure by any means but considering the sheer amount of higher notoriety channels on youtube I'd be surprised if they really even knew you existed. My theory on your videos getting demonetized (and subsequently being promoted less, because a link between those has been proven) is either: a) Youtube scanned for and automatically flagged videos that their ai deemed to be overly critical of their website, or: b) The demonetization bots were just horribly inaccurate due to being in earlier stages of machine learning. I personally think the latter is more likely. I'm not 100% certain but I THINK the demonebots have gotten better as time's gone on, but the fact that everyone was subjected to them when they were at their stupidest is still incredibly shameful (and I highly doubt they're perfect yet either).

Imbion Answer is tags see lemon mentioned this in the last video but a user found that youtube was blacklisting key terms for searching which would explain why lemon videos on youtube didn't get seen

ravemastaj | If your theory is so true, why not push commentary channels? Those channels always cause tons of it, and Leafy is just one example. And why would they target channels with non-dramatic content? It’s still money in their pocket.

Youtube has known Emp Lemon exists for a while. He's had talks with at least one representative, from my understanding from his own videos. He has had concerns for some time, and I'm sure that in his attempt to 'lose subscribers' with his content switch (what he called his Downward Spiral) he has had a lot of experience looking at his analytics. I understand where his paranoia comes from.

Youtube has learned to watch people quite effectively. They've seen Youtube Poop - there will never be another Walrus Guy. They've seen Yugioh the Abridge Series - there will never be another Little Kuriboh (both used copyrighted content, and would never take off today). They have seen animators move from Newgrounds, and then they squashed those channels too (Weebl's Stuff used to be big, now channels like him are irrelevant compared to the new Drama genre).

Youtube has a business model to promote what it wants to promote. What they want is rich, vapid people to create drama - the more harmless and stupid, the better. They want more WAALLLLLLLLLLMAAAAAAAAAARRRRT memes. Anything that will drive viewership to low effort content is seen as a good thing. Anything that only takes a camera and a personality to start, they will promote. Let's plays, drama, reviews, etc. That is the promoted stuff. Everything else is niche.

I think they targeted just videos in general criticizing youtube and big channels like leafy's because that seems more likely.

I agree a lot with what you say, and after looking around, not even Penguinz0/Cr1t1cal seems to have got hit by youtube after criticizing it. Very few criticisms of youtube have many views, and maybe youtube is censoring them. My research was kind of shitty but on a surface level all I concluded is this: It seems that saying something like: "Youtube has betrayed us content creators" is too mainstream for youtube to censor much and get away with it. Only videos that are even more critical/sharp of youtube's negative sides have any opening to be harshly censored if any. I don't think youtube can get away with censoring big channels very much/oftenly or people will catch-on and build a counter-movement, too risky. Theoretically you can pump out attacks on small channels without any reasonably find-able traces of proof, because of how fluctuating viewership is inherently (not the same for large channels though!).

I think personally that emplemon is not getting focused by youtube unless they somehow found him and grey(more subtle black)-listed him. I would honestly wager 50/50, BUT because of how popular some of emplemons anti-youtube videos spiked there is a real potential for it.

Corporate espionage and/or manipulation happens in A LOT of companies and I wouldn’t be surprised if YouTube is in that list.

Mako Ray nope.......its based on the corporation being politically motivated and censorship

Mako Ray it would too obvious if YouTube started black balling channels with hundred thousands of subs

I'm talking about months before the leafy video though.

well, i disagree
the leafy geographic video got pretty popular so youtube might have seen the channel, and if they did the would probably target him since he brings the obscure and shady doings of youtube into the spotlight.
youtube, like any other business, wouldn't want the community to know they have been destroying channels on purpose, so they would demonetize and target emp lemon so that no body sees him.

i hope that never happens though


Amazing video, just as always worth watching, and length. I honestly dont care about the length, they contain information, info that if its too quickly brought would lose its value. I think that you, Emp, have a perfect nose for it, spreading info density. And I think that your videos should be in the trending tab of at least 6 countries, since they have info good info, they are well written and well structured. I cant wait for wich subject you ll tackle in your next yt geographic. But I already know its gonna be a good one. Thank you for making the downwards spiral less bad, and thank you for just simply doing your thing.


Very interesting to listen to this when Leafy is back now


Can we get one last hiss. For old time's sake

@Quack I try to be funny but no one likes my edgy and bland humor.

ዙuмаи τгαsн HIISSSSSSS<br>(Nice shirt btw)


I really like your long videos, I just enjoy listening to long commentaries while playing a good game, and this (and your other leafy video) were really insightful an engaging. Hope to see more meaty videos like these in the future!


Not wanting to watch an hour long video has nothing to do with having a short attention span in most cases.  It's far more often about.. y'know, we only have so many years in a life, and so many hours of free time in a day.  Sure, we could pay attention to a 4 hour long video, but if we can get equal satisfaction, knowledge or experiences in a ten minute video, then why would we?  That's why long videos need to really have a qualifier if they aren't packed with tons of effort or otherwise value for the viewer for time spent.

Kind of a rant about nothing, it doesn't matter, but your whole argument of "if you dont wanna watch my hour long video and you think it should be shorter, you have a small Youtube viewer brain and attention span" is pretty pretentious and self-important and just silly lol

Not wanting to watch an hour long video has nothing to do with having a short attention span in most cases.  It's far more often about.. y'know, we only have so many years in a life, and so many hours of free time in a day.  Sure, we *could* pay attention to a 4 hour long video, but if we can get equal satisfaction, knowledge or experiences in a ten minute video, then why would we?  That's why long videos need to really have a qualifier if they aren't packed with tons of effort or otherwise value for the viewer for time spent.

Kind of a rant about nothing, it doesn't matter, but your whole argument of "if you dont wanna watch my hour long video and you think it should be shorter, you have a small Youtube viewer brain and attention span" is pretty pretentious and self-important and just silly lol


I remember all of this drama happening but it feels like Youtube have completely erased it from the history. I haven't even thought about leafy after the content cop until I came across your documentary and I remembered how big of a youtuber leafy really was. I feel like he should get rid of his fanbase and just come out fresh as a new and different person. I personally loved his older story and rant videos but I couldn't stand the bullying (especially against the kids) and the titles became too clickbaity where I didn't even know if it was a joke or not. But I'd love to see him come back as a new person and just talk and hell I'd even watch his gaming videos even if I'm not a fan of it. Thank you for your input on this whole thing it really changed my perspective on Calvin as a person.


Awesome editorial well done.  I feel your not  milking it. Leafy is  A YouTube icon A legend Of social media.


Leafy's story reminds me of the macedonian empire. In it's final days when Alexander the great (Leafy) died, his generals(his closest commentary friends) split the big empire between themselfs. There was the seleucid kingdom, ptolemaic Egypt kingdom, etc.


14:08 Emp gets angry when playing cuz he couldn't beat the level, so he smashes the reset button without knowing that it doesn't really help him.
Edit: He probably rage quits lol


Amp I have been with you since the time of YouTube poops and man your content, I feel nowadays is just so much better than it used to be because of how interesting it is and new it is and please keep on going man, keep on going down that downward spiral!


i dont want to see leafy. I want to see Calvin.

Honestly, long form content has become so popular, and for damn good reason.

It allows people to get in depth on a subject and(if done right) allows the audience a window of insanely vivid detail of the subjects discussed in them.

@Pifflesome Puff Nadder did you even watch the vid lmao


I agree with alot of things said, I would be more then willing to get to know Calvin rather than leafy. The man behind the mask. I would like to read this imaginary book as well I think it would be something.


From ytps to this. You have always been human perfection


I feel definitely feel more closure about this moment in YouTube  then before. Thank you.


Before watching this video, I feel like you gained 50K subs because of leafy fans. You weren’t scathingly negative, you provided a great and well digested video about his path to fame and failure. After, you said you saw things similar that’s happening to you. You provided some critical thinking near the end of the leafy YouTube demographic video. I’d say that’s a step in the right direction

TL; DR you had a neutral response with some self reflection. Good on you, Emp.


Out of all the teachers I've had over the years, you do the best about informing me about YouTube and the inner workings.


So here's what's really going on with YouTube. They want to be the alternative to television that appeals to millennials who no longer watch actual TV. They pay content creators the same way that television networks pay creators/directors of television shows to air their content on a time slot within their channel/network. However, in the same way that executives of a television channel want to appeal to a wide demographic to make as much money as possible, YouTube executives want their front-running channels to appeal to that same broad demographic. Television programming has to be run through filters and censors, namely the FCC, to ensure that a five-year-old kid doesn't turn on the TV and see porn or some guy getting his guts ripped out with a chainsaw. YouTube realized that virtually everyone under the age of 60 has a computer in their home nowadays, and virtually everyone under the age of 60 knows how YouTube works. They don't want to run the risk of that same five-year-old who turned on the television to go on YouTube and see the first video in their recommended be a compilation of Samuel L. Jackson's greatest lines in Pulp Fiction or a channel like Leafy's that directed impressionable people to harass certain people mindlessly. It's the mindset of "we need to make this appropriate for the youngest possible demographic we commonly see on here", which would be young, impressionable kids. I'm not defending YouTube here for doing this, I'm just explaining why they're doing this. They want their own version of the FCC to be used on the platform to make it more suitable for all ages, and that's the bottom line, BECUASE STONE COLD SAID SO!

they kinda did that a bit too late, i have allready changed into a much less innocent person because of youtube allready.


This has been, without a doubt, the best character study on youtube. Really interesting!


EmpLemon mentioning how Mumkey hasn't gone on a downward spiral yet is oddly prophetic


Hour well spent, never even thought about clicking off this was genuinely entertaining


i've been a subscriber since 2012 (back before i started using this account). you've grown a lot from just making youtube poops and i'm glad that you found success in doing other things as well. can't wait to see what you have in stored for the future!


With new YouTubers popping up every day I feel like the 2019 will be next big year of drama and will exactly like 2016, Mark my words bastards


Barely halfway through and already a really enticing video. Well spoken, and it's cool to see a more chill side of you!


I remember leafy

I remember watching his videos and enjoying them. Granted they got repetitive but I still missed him when he was gone. Ironically enough I used to hate leafy was here too. But now whenever I hear of him (especially after your videos) I can’t help but get sad. I’ll tell you one thing, id take leafy any day over the Paul brothers and rice gum.

It would be very interesting if leafy case back, it would be cool to see a reborn leafy, especially if he had a whole new form of content. I would personally like leafy to come back. There was something about him that made him so watchable


This is literally one of my favorite channels, keep up the good work!


Thx for sticking to the idea of unscripted commentaries it was very enjoyable and I look forward to the next one


Ive been watching you for a few months now Emp, and I won’t lie your content, your commentaries/documentaries and your whole demeanor and style really do remind me of the golden days of YouTube that I grew up with (for me that was from 2008-2016). You’re a huge inspiration, and more importantly someone who does YouTube for the right reasons in my opinion. Keep up the great work and know that you have inspired me and my work too


If I was old enough, Tommy C would sound like a guy I would like to have a drink with. Well said man.


I swear, EmpLemon's content always finds a way to become better with each video which always seems impossible once the next one is over. The stretch from the Top 10 Memes of 2016 to this vid has been like a renaissance of content for EmpLemon


I miss Leafy. I miss 2015 and 16 as well. I think about those days a lot, and i've realized that as ridiculous as it sounds, Leafy was a somewhat important part of my life. I'd compare leafy to a kids show you used to watch. His channel occupied a lot of my time in his earlier days, and i was very keen with his community. Leafy was my favorite youtuber for a stretch of time. I'm describing this in detail just to show how much his channel meant to me back then, and how much it means to me now to hear that hes ok. Its ridiculous I know, but i feel that he was a good person and made me happy many times over, and made me laugh in worse times. This is just a bit of love and consideration towards leafy where i know there isnt much. I hope he comes back but if he doesnt thats fine. However, i truly wish the best for him and thank him for all the times hes made me smile.


I have already watched the original video like 6 times, from beginning to the end. I never get bored of your content. Clown's and Tommy's testimony was really important to this subject. Great video like always


Im happy for you emp, keep up the good work


Damn, after hearing what Tommy C had to say I actually kinda want Calvin to return. Not doing the same things he was doing when he was active but maybe comeback doing what he has passion for. From what Tommy was saying it sounded like Calvin could actually make a difference no matter what he ends up doing. I wish him the best and hope he does well in the future


Videos like these almost feel like a podcast, where its something you can put on in the background and listen and fully absorb a lot of the information with a slight bit of visual input. 10/10


this was really good thanks for making this video, it was pretty depressing after what clown said so I'm glad tommy came on at the end. i also really like these long videos so I hope you can make more in the future


oh hey it’s me. EmpLemon gave a pretty solid answer. I actually thought only Content Cop completely killed Leafy’s channel but knowing about the leaks EmpLemon provided gives a better reason why Leafy’s channel could’ve been killed.


The Leafy video was a masterpiece, please do more like it.


After watching this video I decided to binge a few other 30 min to 1 hour videos and your content is so interesting and engaging I must've watched about 3 hours of your stuff. Even though youtube sort of fucks you over I hope you keep uploading because I generally enjoy your content so much. I've been watching your videos since 2014 with Lightning McQueer and the Quest for Tires, and all your other poops when I was about 11. And I'm proud to call myself a fan.

Thank you Emplemon


I actually watched the leafy video 2 times because it was so interesting.


He did not protecc
But he did attac
But that doesn’t matter because
LeafyIsBack


Just a dumb thought: What if someone intentionally slows down their videos to half the speed of the original, then tells viewers to speed up the playback rate to 2x? That way, watch time would be met with only half the effort required.


The thing about Emp that I enjoy is that his content is absolutely unique and he enjoys doing it. He has great content that isn't clickbait. His research and video quality reminds me of the Shane Dawson docu-series', but something that seems to be more important. Him, as a YouTuber, does truly fear YouTube. For some people, this is their job. Just the way that YouTube operates could possibly get rid of completely innocent channels. Emp speaking up about this is absolutely important, imo

The Meme Meister Several months ago, TheGamerFromMars made a short video about Leafy and had the same hypothesis of YouTube removing Leafy from recommendations.

Evil_glass_wolf801 I've heard of emp, since last year. He's always intrigued me


As a long time fan of YTP videos, yours always got me and the KOTH YTP as well. I enjoy the change of content and find it a beautiful refresher of a downward spiral. Thanks for the material and for the refreshing restart back to my original passion on this site.


I watched your leafy video 3 times already, what a great piece of YouTube History!


when i got onto this video i started to get bored about 12 minutes in and said to myself "imma watch a bit more of this and then imma move on to something else". i ended up watching the full video
good shit

also this video has made me sympathise with leafy in some way. as was said, he's just some normal dude, with some flaws, kinda cold, but he's a normal dude.

i repeat, good shit


I genuinely find your YouTube graphic series, especially the one on leafy and this follow up interesting. I usually just stick to my little bubble filled with creators and that's it. I will go on recommended and watch some videos or hear of YouTube rivalries, but that's really it. Your series shows the parts of YouTube that I and others probably wouldn't see and you approach topics with actual interests. You also seem to keep things unbiased, which is very respectable. I hope you continue creating great content.


Overall, the whole story for me is a classic case of "Rise and Fall of an Empire" which was caused from somewhere within. The case to me has a very complex plot, as many of these kinds of cases tend to have. A true downward spiral indeed.


i never actually watched leafy but this got me right in the feels


3 years. It's really been that long, hasn't it? Feels good to come back.


This was an interesting listen. I find most of your insightful videos good to listen to on the bus. Keep up the good work


Interesting video really, and the quality of your last video led to you getting some pretty valueable contacts.

Tommy C letting us know that Leafy was happy was a reassuring thing, while Leafy was far from a youtube angel, i wouldn't wish for him to be miserable.


Your videos are so insightful and good, its like school except it’s actually entertaining!


Off topic but the Allegretto from Beethoven's 7th is one of my favorite pieces of classical music. I've performed the 7th in it's entirety once, and I've listened to the Allegretto A LOT. Everytime it comes on in the background I tend towards listening to it rather than the commentary in the foreground. Like anybody else get this?


seeing leafy in a different light really makes it all the more depressing to relive his downfall


Awesome video, great pursuit of some degree of closure, very measured and balanced review and revisiting of your initial YT Geo exposé. ✌✌✌✌😎💯😎😎💯😎💯


The one thing that hurt the most while watching this was when colossalis claimed that leafy hated his subscribers, leafy was really one of my favorite YouTubers.


That collosal is crazy memo made me realize that yeah, he didn't spend much money on anything, and we all knew he was making a crap ton off of ad revenue, but he wouldn't even buy a better webcam or mic, dude just grinded videos everyday always hitting a million plus, he's probably just set for life.


I'm glad this video ended with Tommy C.<br>If it wrapped up with ColossalisCrazy, it would've been a very sour ending.

I'm glad this video ended with Tommy C.
If it wrapped up with ColossalisCrazy, it would've been a very sour ending.


At first.. I thought "1 hour vid? I don't have time for that!"

A day later when I have free time, "This is in-depth, informative, and time well spent watching."


this is really cool, such a good video. the style the music everything. thx Emp


Thanks Emp, here a loyal subscriber, and dont thank me, i thank you.
Industry, be it Youtube or any kind of industry always come to be an evil hell... I want to dig deep into a topic and share an internal thought about all of this. Is up to anyone who wants to read a lot, otherwise keep scrolling.

I've always been a guy with a quite unique personality, just as many other people, after all being unique is not unique, heh. But everyone seemed to love the way I was, the way I am. I might have shared some things with him or the guys like him, like sociopathy, humour, dickness, chaos, considering everything as a game... (Tho in a particular different type of style, maybe a bit more caring and mature), and not even for taking him as an example, I did not even knew Leafy as a youtuber until all this drama started.
 Many have said many times to me to create a YouTube channel and just be myself, and that, would have personally liked me very much. Maybe even the way I am, not to be egocentric, but would've maybe most probably even made me famous, being the fact that almost everyone who got to know me tagged me as an icon.
Being myself on the internet, the place I loved, and even get the chance to become famous... was a thing to raise my temptation... But actually I don't know what, at the time made me think, the result was not going to be myself. I thought I wasn't ready for the upcoming, I was still too young to be affected by that world.
 I live and lived in not quite the best conditions, never been too rich, just the necessary to cover a slight over the average; would have dreamed to live on my own, away from many personal problems; to my persona to be known and seen as an icon to people laugh and enjoy with its videos and livings... And I've always been a dedicated guy to keep going until i make my dreams come true, but I thought the newer problems that new world would bring...
Nobody's perfect, and I got to know a few times in a lower scale, outside, in other contexts, that while being on the light spot those little missteps about one not being perfect, get to magnify a lot, and people is absolutely unpredictable, so as having more people to being followed by, the more the little cracks would be poked until all falls apart, and... Was that what I wanted? I had lots of things I wasn't perfect, and I didn't wanted to correct, after all I just wanted to be myself, so I now watch this video and put myself on the other side, the side EmpLemon is talking about, criticising on the good and the bad, and though critics are good, the effect on the public about the one being criticized can be mass-bad, and as I said people is unpredictable, and I was not prepared, not for the industry devil, not for the angry mass of people...
So I watch this video now after not having done anything over the years and I sweat, I smile, I hear my hard breathe, about the hypothetical, but the possible future I may have had from that alternative starting point many years ago but that thankfully never happened. Yeah sure I don't live on a mansion, don't sleep with a supermodel, nor have an exotic car... I still have problems, the same as before, dont even have a computer now, but i know i have to work for it, i could be sad thinking about the possible, but overall I think I got to live it more happy this way, making my close circle of friends happy everyday, knowing their faces, and that they're happy about it, not just random throwing happiness to a fishtank of people and let some enjoy, and some others fight for it. I'm normal but happy.
So this is the story of a nobody, an hypothetical famous icon from another parallel universe. I'd like to hear some comments and thoughts about it, or not if you don't want to, but I'd only have liked to help you or inspire you if you got to be now in the same starting place I was some years ago. Thanks for your time.


I really enjoyed this video. It's an interesting topic and you got all this information just to share it. I like the trajectory of this channel, even tho I'm new here, but watched some of your vids


I feel like this video wrapped it up nicely. I think I get how Leafy really works now. He’s such a character. I can’t believe throughout all this time he really was actually just playing a game with YouTube, hell, he was playing a game with us viewers. He bet his time and effort on us to watch his videos, and in return, he became so well-off that he doesn’t have to do it anymore. I’m kinda glad he got where he is. He played a good game.


A weaker man would have collapsed, it's amazing to see the willpower leafy really has


I binge on hour long videos for background noise while I'm  working on something.

Occasionally, if I heard some REAL juicy info-- turn my head 360 around

"WHHAAAT?!"
I loved that feeling.


Damn. I was gonna watch the leafy documentary later after it first came out. I finally watched it before this video.

By the way I think your content  is top quality. Keep it up!


Wow...  You're telling me that Leafyishere is actually a human being?  That is so mind blowing!

Okay but for real though, THANK YOU Emplemon, this is such an awesome closure (or reopening???) of leafy's legacy

Rusted Can It reminds me of an old TheGamerFromMars video but released at a much better time.


Loved how you edit your videos man keep up the great work!


Hearing Tommy C.'s take on this is really interesting to me, as it kinda sets Leafy up as an intentional "heel". The strangest thing about all this to me is that it makes perfect sense. The idea that someone would see YouTube as a game where subscriber counts and video views are "high scores" isn't exactly unusual in my eyes. You see this kind of thing in a lot of ultra-competitive individuals, a great example being a private high school's chase for Valedictorian. I think Leafy knew exactly what he was doing, but I don't think he really cared one way or the other what others thought about him in the process. To him, YouTube was a game that he could win, and that's exactly what he did. He had no qualms with stepping on toes and didn't mind going down in flames, so long as he went down in a way he could be remembered. He beat YouTube for years, and didn't mind crashing and burning when his time came. From this description, I'd argue he's a bit of a sociopath, but I'm sure he's not the only one who thinks of YouTube in this way, and I can't argue he wasn't successful with it.


"why would I want to overcome the hate?"<br>-leafy

"why would I want to overcome the hate?"
-leafy


I remember the days when emp made ytps lmao feels like yesterday. I love this new content too though, keep it up!!!


I really don't care if the video is long. in fact, it makes it less annoying to find another video quickly.

GTA 4 is not deep Metal Gear Solid 3 is deep Me too!

Butter H2 And then I feel sad when the video is close to being over


Man, that final part with Tommy really got me thinking about my actions when all the Leafy drama was happening...


"what i see when i look at your channel are growing numbers, so i can't do a leafy style mumkey jones documentary"<br>after recent events with mumkey's channel getting terminated by 3 simultaneous strikes, all paired with dumb motives, would you be willing to do a mumkey documentary now? i'd actually really like to see it from your perspective!

"what i see when i look at your channel are growing numbers, so i can't do a leafy style mumkey jones documentary"
after recent events with mumkey's channel getting terminated by 3 simultaneous strikes, all paired with dumb motives, would you be willing to do a mumkey documentary now? i'd actually really like to see it from your perspective!


22:04 this is depressing in retrospective


Hey Emp, idk if you read comments or what not but I just want to thank you for producing content of this quality so regularly. Most youtubers who try to call out this site for its shit really have their backs against the wall, and I’m glad you’ve managed to continue creating such great content while dealing with all the hardship thrown at you by youtube.


I feel like if leafy comes back he should do a draw my life to give us an insight on what his life was like to be in the eyes of leafy I want to really know what was behind that mic besides the chin tehe


I must say Emp, you have a really good taste in music.  The use of classical musicians and prog rock groups like ELP & Pink Floyd is a nice thing to hear in videos.


I love a lot of your videos due to how in-depth they all are.


Great video, The way you talk about stuff really resonates with me sometimes. Nice job :)


I like to watch and rewatch your longe videos because I like to make sure I don't miss much of what you discuss in them.


One day someone should adapt Leafy's story into Greek Tragedy play.


I've never really been one to follow internet drama as it's happening, but goddamn do I love learning about it after it's happened.


it actually feels nice listening to Someone while doing something,


I never realized how much I liked long discussion videos like this until now


ive been a sub for a while now at least 2 years. I have no annoyance with an hour long video, I actually enjoy longer ones. You’ve definitely grown, your editing has been better and your thoughts have been more out together too. I have had the issue with your videos not showing up, but I go out of my way every week or so to search for your name and binge the stuff I missed if anything at all. I really like the exposes and meme reviews. The LEAFY video really<br>made me think about how YT is becoming such an echo chamber of god knows what. It’s just like Vine 2.0 and trying so hard to be the corporate media that tries so hard to destroy them. You have great insights and I really look forward for the videos you have in the future. Thank you for all the laughs and second thoughts about ideas I would not have previously

ive been a sub for a while now at least 2 years. I have no annoyance with an hour long video, I actually enjoy longer ones. You’ve definitely grown, your editing has been better and your thoughts have been more out together too. I have had the issue with your videos not showing up, but I go out of my way every week or so to search for your name and binge the stuff I missed if anything at all. I really like the exposes and meme reviews. The LEAFY video really
made me think about how YT is becoming such an echo chamber of god knows what. It’s just like Vine 2.0 and trying so hard to be the corporate media that tries so hard to destroy them. You have great insights and I really look forward for the videos you have in the future. Thank you for all the laughs and second thoughts about ideas I would not have previously


Hey Emp, I know you're long done with this project, but I thought you might be interested in knowing that Leafy and Keemstar were actually able to talk and be friends before leafy left YouTube. Although you probably know that especially if you watched baited.


This gave an interesting insight into the side of leafy we all didnt get to see, hearing about his more private affairs and motivations really changed my opinion about him, and Im quite comendative of his mindset he could really apply himself into anything and be successful at it with enough time and enough people reigning him in. <br>I hope we get to see his entrepenural endevours thrive elsewhere.

This gave an interesting insight into the side of leafy we all didnt get to see, hearing about his more private affairs and motivations really changed my opinion about him, and Im quite comendative of his mindset he could really apply himself into anything and be successful at it with enough time and enough people reigning him in.
I hope we get to see his entrepenural endevours thrive elsewhere.


we need more creators like U, lindsay elles, red letter media ect.. keep up the good work! shout ot Fandom menace


I fucking love the effort and research you put in your videos


Emp you’ve been on the website for a long time you deserve some respect


Actually there‘s a really interesting story around Gradeaundera too.<br>Just like Leafy‘s reputation got ruined by IDubbbz, Grade‘s reputation got ruined by a smaller Youtuber called Reactor. There‘s a really interesting video explaining how that guy tricked Reddit multiple times and made a fake Grade Video run as an ad on grades channel leading to an expose.

Actually there‘s a really interesting story around Gradeaundera too.
Just like Leafy‘s reputation got ruined by IDubbbz, Grade‘s reputation got ruined by a smaller Youtuber called Reactor. There‘s a really interesting video explaining how that guy tricked Reddit multiple times and made a fake Grade Video run as an ad on grades channel leading to an expose.


Now that I've seen this video, I think that leafy was a cancer on YouTube, but an alright dude, with Tommy's points, I think if he is more careful with his fans, and makes good content, he would be a good YouTube channel.

Leafy was here,
And Calvin will come.


Dear mr. Lemon I love your videos to me  someone who was never often online, you are a YouTube gatekeeper. Non of my friends get it I think your videos are genius, but they just see it as a 41 minute video on leafy


Usually when someone makes a video that is over 30 minutes long it is extremely slow paced boring and they repeat the same points over and over again. but you managed to make the leafy video fast pasted fun and entertaining to. Kudos to you emperor of the lemons.


What a great video. Tommy's interview was super insight imo <br>Also yay my question was featured and answered!

What a great video. Tommy's interview was super insight imo
Also yay my question was featured and answered!


This was a great video. I would love for leafy to make one more video as leafy, we’re he goes on and says “hey guys sorry I’ve been gone for a while but look at this kid here!” I would love that shit! But I would definitely like a “Calvin” too. That would be a great channel that I think has the potential to go a long way.


26:20 I would love to make a platform where all the normies get left behind on YouTube and all the good content creators go to the new platform. If I made one I would invite Emp.


Yea I am one of those new subscribers. Great content mate. The news vid was pretty great aswell so I don't think I'm gonna ever unsub. Keep dis up!!


Your videos have convinced me that Leafy/Calvin might be one of the most interesting figures in recent memory. I hope he finds a resurgence in popularity in some form.

If leafy is going to resurface, l hope leafy changes. I’m sure he knows that if he keeps acting edgy, he’ll just get sabotaged.

Umi ZoomR it's like you didn't even watch the video. 2/3 of the video was literally people talking about him and how he was totally different than what he showed on YouTube. The short attention span strikes again. If you actually watched the video you'd know.

Matt Sepan The Hylian I want him to come back so I can see how he changed, but I wouldn't watch his content regularly.

I believe what we're seeing now is his resurgence. I know for a fact that if I was Leafy: I'd be enjoying this temporary restoration of fame.

I liked leafy and i want him to come back, i dont know why i just do.

I understand what you're saying but I don't want someone as toxic as he resurfacing


I honestly like the long lengthy videos. Love to listen while doing other things.


It's kind of sad how Youtube success and fame can bring out this "revenge side" out of so many people. I wish it brought out the good.


There is always more then meets the eye. Facinating Story


I'm one of those new subs from the leafy vid, I saw it a few days ago and since then ive watched a fuck ton of your videos and i love them. Keep doing what you do, Emp!


Believe it or not I found your channel looking up old YTP a month ago. I watched a few YouTube Geographic vids and now I'm here to stay. Keep up the good work!


Well after the leafy interview with keem, you were dead right. He had a lot of issues with youtube. He made enough money to invest, and life off, so felt no more need to force himself to make more videos on a platform that wanted him gone. He said he doesn't think he'll come back, but that he MIGHT at some day.

Neiasaurus Creations it’s good that he saves his money unlike ricegum who realized that his numbers were shrinking and wouldn’t be there forever, so he did what any logical person would do and sponsor fake gambling to kids


Tommy C’s commentary leveled the video to the next level. Great vid emp.


Woah dude, another layer into Leafy<br>This seems to touch on a lot of what other people said in the day too, even though he's nowhere near as bad as people said he was.

Woah dude, another layer into Leafy
This seems to touch on a lot of what other people said in the day too, even though he's nowhere near as bad as people said he was.


I don't know how you do it, but you genuinely keep me interested in the video the entire hour.


"I've never heard of this guy" is what I say every time I watch one of his videos.  Then I remember.


Been here since the initial behind the meme rant (around april-may 2017)

I really like these commentary videos, you also make funny ytps, do not stop those, but your commentary vids are also great


You benefitted from leafys fall 😂 but you made some good content my guy, keep up the good work 😎


I subbed because I adore the documentary style you used on your leafy was here video, it was clever and well stated and got me watching your other vids >w>


Man, this is really good. You really got a good journalistic perspective on this one, especially with all of the people you were able to connect to. I'm really enjoying all of these, and I think that there are some deeper themes that were hit here. Not only was this about one person's fall from grace, but this became a story of betrayal, corruption, greed, and sacrifice.

It is so interesting to see people slowly morph from someone who is innocent to someone controlling millions of people in a very malicious way. I can't believe how something so innocuous as YouTube that is just trying to entertain- and through lack of societal awareness, lack of care for individualism, lack of interest in improving the overall quality of the site for reasons other than a bottom line, and dangling the most massive prize in front of the socially inept could lead to such a toxic environment that negatively affected so many people.

This stuff is what I really love to hear about, man. I love the Beethoven too. Beethoven's Symphony No. 7 op 92 has to be one of my favorite pieces.


After hearing this I respect leafy a lot more than I did, I’d actually be open to seeing what he’s like now if he were to come back to YouTube.


To be honest I was exepcting the video to just be in this circle of the community but wow am I suprised and I guess happy it's gotten this amount of exposure.


Even when I was a naive dumbass kid (still am) I just enjoyed hearing Leafy speak about some topics. When I watched the Content Cop I was confused on why this man called iDubbz placed such a significant amount of effort on a chin. I enjoy idubbz now but I'm curious on how an expose video with half of it being a fucking meme opened the gates to stabbing Leafy. I guess it was just the cutthroat game Leafy played, you trust someone then the weasel betrays you.

Ever since the content cop I've wondered what Leafy's next move would be, where he went. I'm glad to hear him doing well.


He was the greatest legend, tragedy, and asshole of all time. RIP Leafy


This is why I am subscribed to Emp for that unique content on this god forsaken site


... Man, now I just feel bad for Leafy. Like, I watched a lot of his videos in the past and whilst they were edgy and mean and condescending, they were always entertaining and he was always such a lively and interesting person. I didnt even really keep up with the YouTube drama back then, I just watched him for his content because he was just some edgy boi like me, almost like a sort of persona for how I viewed myself at the time. I imagine that probably says a lot about me, but aye, he was still human. Cold for sure, but I dont think of him as some frank asshole that doesnt sugarcoat shit. He was very charming and charismatic to the point that i didnt even really give a shit about what his chin looked like until Idubbz pointed it out. Its sucks what happened to him, but at least he left the YouTube scene very well off.

See you space cowboy.


Was amazed with the fact that you collabed with mumkey and your commentary on the mumkey jones rise, fall video was great had a great time watching the video with both of you together. You should collab with him more often.


You can make that Mumkey Geographic now.


You are one of the few youtubers I can watch an hour long video from.


I feel like i could give leafy a second chance, despite never giving him a chance in my mind.


It seems incredibly silly, but all I can say now is I'm already nostalgic for youtube in 2015-2016. I never watched leafy regularly and I didn't think his content was that great, but he was a much bigger part of that edgier counter-culture at the time than I realized. h3h3, filthy frank, idubbbz, maxmoefoe, and grade a under a included. It may have been the prime era of shit reaction and "prank" channels, and long past the prime of amateur animators and non-corporate youtube, but it was still a more fun place where a counter-culture could actually become somewhat popular under-the-radar. Ever since the mass demonetizations of mid-to-late 2016, the adpocalypse, vine shutting down and the viner invasion of 2017, and countless small youtube tweaks, youtube from 2017 to the present as I write this is a far cry from what it was just a couple years ago. So many people, even some of the most popular youtubers seem kind of burnt out and are just waiting for the next youtube tweak right around the corner that will decimate amateur and passionate creators and promote fake celebrities and sterile TV-like content. With all of that, this has been a fascinating series, Emperor Lemon. I like the direction your channel is going in.


I must say EmpLemon, I really enjoy your form of discussion videos. While the editing style that you have created for yourself is absolutely fascinating and engaging as viewer to watch, for me it is the topics that you choose and the arguments that you bring to the table that I really appreciate. I only recently discovered you, mainly because of your Leafy video, but I can say that your content is one that truly makes the viewer have to think. It's hard to find YouTubers like that today. I have yet to get into your YouTube Poops, as that never really was something that I was into, but watching your other videos where you discuss the creative process behind them made me have a new form of respect for them. With all that said, thanks for making the content that you do and please keep doing what makes you happy. And if I ever stop watching you for any reason in the future, I promise that I will unsubscribe.


I never thought id say this, but i actually feel kind of bad for leafy.


It's really interesting to hear about what Calvin was behind LeafyisHere, and it's just kind of sad that we never really got to see that part of him, and likely never will, as from the sounds of it. As even if he has passion for things like esports, he seems to lack any kind of actual creative drive. I think it'd be far more likely that he'd do something more along the lines of founding his own esports team or sponsoring events (after all, he has the money to do it), I just don't see him ever making videos unless he really gets a feel for it.


You don't have to worry about your videos being censored because I have at least 1 YouTube Geographic and 1 YTP Collab recommended to me wherever I go on YouTube


I feel like I can completely relate to leafy, not on his thoughts but on the kid of person he is. I'd like to meet him if I could, and have a nice conversation about science

Also, I feel like leafy leaving YouTube was like when Tywin died in Game of thrones. The Tyrell's and Sparrows took over


It was the perfect coverup as content cop came out... That was a great video emp


I like in depth videos. I watched this video over 3 or more sittings for one reason or another. I would just come back and see more. I like videos this long


Ya'll know Billy the Fridge? He said on stream that Leafy just games now and is investing in Crypto Currency and that he's doing fine and is okay.

He was smart. He got millions of dollars and dipped.

When Keemstar interviewed Leafy about half a year ago, i remember leafy saying he's gotten heavily into cryptocurrency

Yeah he talks about how he likes to get befriend people despite the negative reception, he gets along with a lot of people, I mean just look at the newer guests on DP they're from all over the place

Mason Yomama if I knew about Jake and Logan in 2016 I would hate them infinitely more than leafy

Strelok Audio Design I don’t think you get why people are interested  in him.

We don't feel bad for him in regards to his financial status but more so about how much he was slandered and shit on for playing the YouTube game. He made questionable decisions, but like both Clown and Tommy said, many others criticizing him were just as bad if not worse.

You can look at Logan Paul and Jake Paul, both of which are around Leafy's age and are extremely popular online entertainers averaging millions of views a video much like Leafy was, and you can make the comparison and see how minuscule Leafy's mistakes and content flaws were compared to the Paul's.

I hope he returns as himself, the witty, intelligent, entrepreneur that Tommy described.


Also, I’m starting to see a multitude of videos like this Leafy Documentary showing up recently. Emp, I think you have started a new genre, and it’s growing FAST.


Your documentaries are more poignant and honest than PBS' could ever hope to be.


It seems as though the videos you make that have more effort put into them than usual are the ones that go viral. That is very rare sir.


I watch a lot of your videos multiple times they're just so good


I recently discovered your channel through your leafy video and watched a bunch of them I personally loved the meme theory on Donald trump and personally I love the length of your videos


If he tried again on youtube with his genuine personality, I don't think anyone would throw too big a fit.


While it definitely looks like Youtube censored Leafy, I'm still not clear on why that's a bad thing. He was a cancer on this website and his videos did nothing but bolster the little angry shitsters who watched his videos and told people to kill themselves over nothing. All this ironically cringy "cringe culture" was almost kickstarted by Leafy like you said in the original video, and that's certainly not a good thing.

Handwaving all that by claiming Leafy's content is just "mature, non-typical Youtube content that the big bad Youtube execs don't want" is some dissonant bullshit. Plenty of other content creators make mature content and do perfectly fine because - and I want you to say it with me - they aren't making fame and fortune from bullying.

And EmpLemon, in doing this, your video appeals less to those who would like to be wary of censorship and more to those who don't see any of Leafy's wrongdoings as wrongdoings. Plenty of people here would like to throw the word "snowflake" around because bullying content appeals to whatever fucked-up insecurities they carry around and they don't like seeing their favorite medium tampered with by those who would like to discourage the indecency Leafy stirred up.


Hey Emp what would you say was the hardest you’ve ever laughed making a video? Random question