A lot of people hate this one, and I agree that it's hard to watch, but it does give some interesting insight into Fluttershy's character. I think she has trouble gauging what's appropriate when interacting with other ponies; it can be really hard to determine when to defer to others and when to assert your own needs. Because she's a kind pony and genuinely doesn't want to hurt or inconvenience anypony else, she normally errs on the side of just giving in to everypony. When she's pushed to stick up for herself instead, she can't judge where to stop. I actually really relate to that struggle; I've probably made similar, if less extreme, mistakes. The level of cruelty to her friends definitely seems exaggerated for such a quick change, so a lot of people complain that she's acting totally out of character, but I think this episode is condensing a real-life problem, where over time bad experiences (and bad advice) can convince a nice person that everyone else will take advantage of their kind nature and mistreat them unless they become rude and aggressive themselves. It's a good lesson to explore, and I'm just glad Fluttershy steps back over the line to being her sweet self and eventually finds the right balance.

IMO this episode was contrived as fuck. Legit bullying fluttershy into being something she rarely is, if ever, from up to this point. Since she’s rarely assertive and as such she doesn’t know entirely where the lines are.

Why this episode is hated? i think is pretty good

@@Foreleus it does feel super contrived that everyone in Ponyville outside the Mane 6 is suddenly an asshole for one episode, and that Fluttershy can be pushed to change so much so fast. The episode has no finesse in setting up the idea that Fluttershy might have a mean streak she normally suppresses, It just happens all at once and it's too extreme.

But she makes similar mistakes enough after this (e.g. Fake it Till You Make It) that I can't call it out of character anymore. That character trait was clumsily introduced, but is a part of Fluttershy. Accepting that makes it easier for me to watch this episode without focusing as much on how jarring it is.

I've noticed that each Element of Harmony is represented not by a pony who's always been perfect at it, though it can seem that way a lot of the time, but by a pony who has struggled with it and thus put the effort into learning and improving at it. Applejack used to be a serial liar and still occasionally dodges questions or tells a white lie. Rainbow Dash has trouble being a team player. Rarity can be possessive and materialistic. Pinkie Pie sometimes takes things super hard and gets serious in a scary way (Pinkamena) or treats the wrong thing like a joke and hurts her friends. And Twilight Sparkle used to be uninterested in (and terrible at, according to Lyra) friendship, which as we all know is magic.

Elian mainly when fluttershy made a personal attack on rarity and pinkie pie is what makes people really dislike this episode on the basis of how uncomfortable it is for someone who’s usually nice to essentially attack her friends on a personal level. At least that’s my reason and how much fluttershy is bullied and taken advantaged of in the first half.

I totally agree, in fact I on the other hand love this episode. People focus too much on the details, but the big picture is an important lesson about being assertive, and for us shy people this is actually a difficult lesson. I also feel represented with Fluttershy in so many ways, and sure: Fluttershy was cruel to her friends, but only because of what you said: she wasn't used to putting limits, so she didn't know when to stop. And she felt bad about it afterwards anyways, and her friends understood. Many of us make mistakes and even say offensive stuff sometimes.

@@Foreleus i hate to see fluttershy get bullied

@@elianneeris i thought it was good. maybe some other people hate it whether because fluttershy cant advocate or fluttershy is a monster

@@colombala97 one hand: some people hate this episode but on the other hand some people like this episode

@@HeavyMetalMal42 I know this is a year ago, but I do want to say this isn't exactly the first episode we've seen Shy's meaner side. That would be in the finale of season one. And then there was a moment in the starter episodes- I blanked on the name of what starter episodes are called- of season two, specifically part two of The Return of Harmony. During the balloon chase.

Really, this is one of the few standalone episodes that had setup from previous episodes.

@@ChiropteraNightfall Agreed. I don't think I suggested that there were no hints of Fluttershy's darker side prior to this episode--just that the way it escalated over the course of this episode felt extreme, so it's unsurprising that it's a controversial one. It's the first time we see Fluttershy be outright mean to her friends without Discord's influence. Her getting mad and chasing animals in the season one finale is played for laughs, not explored as a serious character flaw like what we get here.

But this show is great about planting things early and expanding on them over time. I love the character development. If you're watching through Ponybro's reactions, I'm sure you'll see more of my old comments geeking out about it. MLP was a huge comfort show for me in 2020. Nice to chat about it again.

God forbid FS isn't a pushover 🤡

Never understood why ppl were so upset

I relate to Fluttershy so much. I also have trouble speaking up. And have a hard time gauging what appropriate social behavior is. I'm shy with a social problem in other words.

My biggest issue with this episode is that the ponies in Ponyville are outright assholes to Fluttershy.  Seriously.  The whole thing feels mean spirited and out of character for the show.


Iron Will is so narmy and I love it. I also love how Fluttershy learns a new word this episode - "no."

When Fluttershy said no, everyone was shocked at that, especially Pinkie Pie <br>😱😱😱😂😂😂

When Fluttershy said no, everyone was shocked at that, especially Pinkie Pie
😱😱😱😂😂😂


15:09
I think Fluttershy and pinkie pie's voice actress thought she was doing pinkie pie for a sec

Sometimes it's hard to do unique voices while acting like something is in your mouth


This is the episode that got me into MLP as well as Fluttershy. One of my treasured memories.


Yet another example of how Kindness is probably the most dangerous of the elements of harmony. The normal, uninverted element is strong enough to resist almost anything thrown against it in terms of inversion potential, and is an extraordinarily powerful force of reformation.

Meanwhile, it's inverse is dangerous in the, well, opposite way. Inverted kindness is extremely capable when it comes to breaking others down. Very strong in both the reformation department- once broken, if I recall, it is far easier to shape someone's perceptions of things- and in a more naturally offensive department. Meanwhile, inverted kindness is also very easy to put back to normal, as shown here, in the Discord episode, and in the GGG episode.

If the elements of harmony weren't mindstate dependant, and if Fluttershy was more in control of her own state of mind, she'd likely be the most important of the Mane Six.


I don't think this episode is that bad. I do like its moral and some of its writing, its comedy, and Pinkie and Rarity were awesome.<br>Besides, anyone who hates it can agree with me on one thing: It is WAY better than another project with a doormat: Re-Animated!

I don't think this episode is that bad. I do like its moral and some of its writing, its comedy, and Pinkie and Rarity were awesome.
Besides, anyone who hates it can agree with me on one thing: It is WAY better than another project with a doormat: Re-Animated!

Tesia Blake <br>This episode also reminds me of Little Ed Blue where Ed gets in a bad mood because he has a pebble in his shoe.

Tesia Blake
This episode also reminds me of Little Ed Blue where Ed gets in a bad mood because he has a pebble in his shoe.


One of the problems with selling advise with a 100% satisfaction guaranteed is when the customer isn’t satisfied, you can’t take back your advise lol XD

fluttershy was trying to advocate without being mean


PunkyPony5165
Fluttershy angrily grabs everypony including Angel Bunny outside and drops them on the ground
Fluttershy: AWAY WITH YOU UNWANTED PESTERS
Angel: FLUTTERSHY you listen to me Missy you can't kick me out I LIVE HERE TOO
Fluttershy: SO MOOOOOOOVVVVVVEEE
Angel gets frightened

PunkyPony5165
Fluttershy angrily grabs everypony including Angel Bunny outside and drops them on the ground
Fluttershy: AWAY WITH YOU UNWANTED PESTERS
Angel: FLUTTERSHY you listen to me Missy you can't kick me out I LIVE HERE TOO
Fluttershy: SO MOOOOOOOVVVVVVEEE
*Angel gets frightened*

Oh yeah. I remember that from Ed edd n eddy. 😂

How did that scene from The Holy Grail go again?

@@ultramaster7893 <br>Yeah I like Ed Edd N Eddy and Little Ed Blue.

@@ultramaster7893
Yeah I like Ed Edd N Eddy and Little Ed Blue.

@@alexthehomboi <br>Yeah and this episode reminds me of Little Ed Blue

@@alexthehomboi
Yeah and this episode reminds me of Little Ed Blue


I love how Pinkie Pie did the Bugs Bunny trick on the salespony and Iron Will. In the end, Fluttershy learned to say no to Iron Will, which surprised Rarity and Pinkie Pie. That never gets old <br>🐰🐰🐰😲😲😲🤣🤣🤣

I love how Pinkie Pie did the Bugs Bunny trick on the salespony and Iron Will. In the end, Fluttershy learned to say no to Iron Will, which surprised Rarity and Pinkie Pie. That never gets old
🐰🐰🐰😲😲😲🤣🤣🤣


This episode is one of the few hated episodes. But I think this episode is the moment where Fluttershy learns to fully control the stare.


I love this episode. It really shows me how to stand up for myself and not being bullied around all the time<br>💪💪💪❤❤❤

I love this episode. It really shows me how to stand up for myself and not being bullied around all the time
💪💪💪❤❤❤


1:41 the thing that ignited this guy's hatred for Angel...


Angel bunny might be more picky than my own dog

He'd be better off as Demon Bunny, but this is a kid show, and Demon bunny sounds way too harsh.


I don’t know a lot of people hate this but I never really did. I don’t think it’s that good and probably the worst of Season 2 but I really don’t hate it per se. I think when you compare it to some of the later episodes in Seasons 6 and 8 (not that those seasons are bad they just happen to have some of the worst episodes) it’s really not that bad and kind of entertaining.

i liked this episode when i first started watching it


I loved seeing fluttershy being mean and I like angel he’s funny


Even though Iron Will isn't a villain, Hasbro did advertise him as one in things like trading cards and the Adventure Ponies video game. It does make sense though because the show really only had two actual villains at that point (five if you count Trixie and Flim & Flam).


I love Fluttershy but here she is so awful in this episode. I like when she is nice and cute 💖💖💖


How much u hate Angel is hilarious. But I can relate. I hate him too.

His name sounds as ironic as Angelica from Rugrats

@@nightponyinrface6009 he doesnt have a voice

Imagine getting abused by ur ungrateful pet that depends on u to live


the maze grass reminded me of the first episode of season 2


If you think about it the ending makes no sense at all. By standing up to Iron Will she is being assertive which she wouldn't have been able to do without iron-will's teachings so she should be satisfied and she should have to pay.

She learned it from her friends. She learned to be mean from Iron Will, but she learned to be assertive from her friends. Also she wasn't satisfied, she hated how she acted


The one episode she could’ve stood up to Angel and she doesn’t.


That's not stealing it's haggling Bugs Bunny style lol


Rainbow Dash: THAT'S IT I HAD IT UP TO HEAR WITH YOUR BAD MOOD crack a smile bust a gut BE HAPPY slaps Fluttershy's back GET IT OVER
Fluttershy gets enraged and growls in bottled up anger
Fluttershy: glares and growls angrily
Twilight Spike Rainbow Dash Applejack Pinkie Pie and Rarity had shocked looks
Fluttershy fluffs out her feathers and hovers flying above and shouts so loud
Fluttershy: BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG TROOOOOOOUUUUBLE her shouting causes Twilight Spike Rarity Pinkie and Applejack to faint and Rainbow Dash's wings to fold back in fear as she tucks her rainbow furred tail between her hind legs

Rainbow Dash: THAT'S IT I HAD IT UP TO HEAR WITH YOUR BAD MOOD crack a smile bust a gut BE HAPPY *slaps Fluttershy's back* GET IT OVER
Fluttershy gets enraged and growls in bottled up anger
Fluttershy: *glares and growls angrily*
Twilight Spike Rainbow Dash Applejack Pinkie Pie and Rarity had shocked looks
Fluttershy fluffs out her feathers and hovers flying above and shouts so loud
Fluttershy: BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG TROOOOOOOUUUUBLE *her shouting causes Twilight Spike Rarity Pinkie and Applejack to faint and Rainbow Dash's wings to fold back in fear as she tucks her rainbow furred tail between her hind legs*


If I had a companion like Angel who was an unappreciative brat I would let him starve if he wouldn't  eat what I give him; also the only reason Rarity was able to get the asparagus from that guy was because he was attracted to her and he probably thought she might let him bone her.


This episode made me declvelope a hate for Angel that can not be reversed. HE SLAPPED FLUTTERSHY! HE'S FINISHED!


I love Fluttershy but i hate Flutterage cause makes Fluttershy totally out of character, and your right, Angel Bunny is a prick.

I mean she was legit pushed out of character my a contrived as fuck plot of events. even her friends were encouraging her to learn something she’s unfamiliar with.


Those 2 ponies who told fluttershy to move back & get a life, OOF, I would have gone all steaming firecracker on their asses! I would have been like "Yeah no, why don't YOU move! I was here FIRST & need my asparagus. So make like a bee & buzz off"


17:06 Did she just give herself the stare?


3:08 Bow Hothoof and Windy Whistles, you should teach your daughter a lesson


This episode was the mlp version of The Toy Story Black friday reel.


Especially when he just kicked fluttershy out of her own cottage

@@ultramaster7893 it reminds me of the fairy oddparents

fluttershy is an angel and angel bunny is a devil


This is a good episode. Though a little flawed. Iron will is pretty cool. Flutterb*tch is quite a lot.

I thought I was the only one who called this version of Fluttershy that


Fluttershy should have used Angel's skin to make a purse.

or a crocoadile from a red bull commercial


Ponybro: I really wanna kill Angel

Applejack in Another Apple Sleep Experiment: slicing Angel's head off with her shovel Your welcome 😁

Ponybro: I really wanna kill Angel

Applejack in Another Apple Sleep Experiment: *slicing Angel's head off with her shovel* Your welcome 😁


I really wasn’t a fan of this episode. Poor Rarity and Pinkie!


My least favorite episode of the whole show


How can Angel be allergic to cucumber  He's a rabbit


13:04- I got one-

You offend my race, I'll cut your face.