A certain amount of nostalgia I think has contributed to this notion of games being worse. I am actually surprised you didn’t mention it.

RaidenPSX I wasn’t making that point but I see how you thought I could’ve

RaidenPSX I wasn’t making that point but I see how you thought I could’ve

@Something Not Known Understandable, nostalgia does indeed play a part in it sometimes, but I see people constantly point to nostalgia as the ONLY reason why there's people who prefer older games. I can't help but get annoyed by it because it feels like they're implying that old games are inherently bad and the only reason people like them is because of nostalgia, instead of it just being a genuinely good game regardless of age.

RaidenPSX I know but I’m saying SOME, not all. I do agree but some of it is just nostalgia and as Emplemon mentioned Negativity Bias

Bruh I play a lot of older titles that I never grew up with and have 0 nostalgia for, and I enjoy a lot of them more than many modern games. I only played Fallout 2 this year and it's easily one of the best RPGs I've ever played and its easy to see Fallout 4 is a way weaker game.

elgatochurro since you like Thief, a very good stealth game, try hitman (2016) sometime you’ll like it

shadowslayer205 that is what I said, “a certain amount of nostalgia CONTRIBUTED to this notion” games have been corporatized and in some cases worsened but around maybe 20% of the notion I think is nolstagia. There rest is what EmpLemon mentioned already in the video

Nostaliga is a contributing factor in many cases, but it's objectively clear that game design standards have suffered outside of that. You can't show me a polished game with years of quality work put into it, then show me a buggy unfinished reboot that was rushed out in a year with no planning, and solely blame nostalgia for the latter being disliked.

@Something Not Known Especially when companies use nostalgia as a deceptive sales tactic

@Something Not Known Especially when companies use nostalgia as a deceptive sales tactic

@AlinaGray88 Oh yeah it was one of my favorties too especially Offroad Fury 2.

@AlinaGray88 Oh yeah it was one of my favorties too especially Offroad Fury 2.

@elgatochurro you fell victim to the "Nostalgia" curse alright

@elgatochurro you fell victim to the "Nostalgia" curse alright

@Deep South Gaming ATV Offroad Fury is so much fun. I remember playing that with my Dad.

@Deep South Gaming ATV Offroad Fury is so much fun. I remember playing that with my Dad.

@Sylvester Tennant Oh yeah, there were definitely some real shitters in the early 2000s, but also most of my favorite games of all time are from that era as well. (Halo CE, Battlefront, Morrowind, Fable...)

@elgatochurro the walking speed gets way better after about 6 hours. By the end of the game you will be able to go insanely fast if you level up sorcery or potionmaking.

@Something Not Known Ok, I will pick the "not so best examples" from last era and compare them to a better game from this era. You can't say that Tekken 7 is better than say, SSX Tricky or ATV Offroad Fury. Tekken 7 while being a relatively good and fun game, it has a majority of characters hidden behind a paywall and even has a season pass. SSX Tricky and ATV Offroad Fury are full length games that are simple in nature, fun to play, and have awesome soundtracks. I do want to give credit where credit is due but one point of this video is that it is hard to find masterpieces anymore or even games that are just good but I get what you are saying. I don't want to nitpick, I don't want games to be forgettable it just that many games nowadays are more forgettable and that gaming companies used to have such a higher batting average when it cames to different releases. I know not every game will be a masterpiece but at least make it worth my time and money.

Deep South Gaming yeah but you are cherry-picking the best examples from the earlier era and comparing it to... not the worst but the most bland and forgettable of this era. Compare the masterpieces to masterpieces when talking about eras and vice versa for bad games.

incredibly correct, my favorite game of all time was released in the year 2000

incredibly correct, my favorite game of all time was released in the year 2000

@Something Not Known I didn't say all games from this generation are bad.

@Something Not Known I didn't say all games from this generation are bad.

Deep South Gaming yet again comparing bad games to good games, not all games are bad you are just cherry-picking and comparing them to the classics of the old era.

I admit I do have nostalgia for the early/mid 2000's and the 90's gaming systems and games but from playing consoles and games from both of those generations and even owning and N64 as well, I can tell clearly that games have gone down hill with nostalgia not being put into the mix. Nobody can tell me That Destiny is better than say, Fighting Force for the PlayStation or that Battlefront 2 is better than Halo 3. I know that gaming companies still had flaws during those times but at least they actually cared about making games that they wanted people to play for years to come.

@Something Not Known there has never been a more immersive games than thief 1 and 2, all the people talking about vr immersion probably have never had played thief.  It is far above games even today and only needs a graphics overhaul tbh.

Centorea 88 you are forgetting about all the mediocre or bad games that were buried and forgotten, just like our bad games of our time will be buried and the masterpieces will hold up

elgatochurro i do not agree with you, you are comparing select examples to all of video games today, there were obviously bad games back then as there are now, and there is still occasional masterpieces in the years. You definitely are biased but most likely not nostalgic

@AlinaGray88 The point is that Morrowwind was always a masterpiece. Nostalgia isn't saying that they weren't good, it's saying that there was ONLY good. There's plenty of masterpieces that come out today too. It's just that there will always be more garbage. There was then, and there is now. I play old games all the time too. I also play new games. My favorite game of all time came out in 2000.

@AlinaGray88 I wanna play Morrowind but I really can't deal with the walking speed

@AlinaGray88 I wanna play Morrowind but I really can't deal with the walking speed

A lot of people like myself try older games for the first time many years after they release and still enjoy them. My favorite RPG of all time, Morrowind, came out when I was in preschool, and I never played it until 14 years after release. There's no nostalgia involved, the game is just better than modern offerings.

@Sylvester Tennant yeah, the true ending or the awful boring endings...  very weak compared to games with actual choice like Lisa the Painful where you're letting a party member die and losing the rest of the others trust, or losing a limb which'll make oyu less effective in combat for the rest of the game.

@elgatochurro The point of the pacifism in it is that you can choose. You don't have to. You only get different endings.

@elgatochurro yeah......I really hate random battles myself 😤

@elgatochurro yeah......I really hate random battles myself 😤

@Dissonance Paradiddle well he shouldn't have made it so attractive to tumblrites

He also didn't need to act like every other rpg is bad and bring cause you kill things to level up... The amount of passivism in the game where monsters are trying to kill you is astonishing and I've seen it creep into other rpgs like dnd where people want to be so pacifistic they don't want to harm literal bandits and monster people attacking the town and killing it's citizens every other week...

@elgatochurro yeah it's definitely different although toby himself never expected/ wanted it to be this popular.

@Dissonance Paradiddle ngl I feel undertale was shit, especially cause it seemed to wanna push that all other rpgs were boring by design.

@elgatochurro It really seems to come down to corporatization and selling out. After all passion projects like hat in time and undertale. And other indie titles seem to still have the spit and polish of the old days. Heck I'd say doom 2016 I haven't played eternally yet and I need to also shows that even big budget games can still be great if the love is there

"nostalgia" is such crap, thief 1 and 2 were so early on that I never heard of them but I played them within the last 4 years and they were the best games I've ever played.

Shadow warrior from the 90s is one of the best fps games I've played and I didn't it play it more than 5 years ago

You people wanna blame nostalgia but the games were just better, better focus on fun, Story, game design, meanwhile today games are overall expected to be crap and disappointment.

I don't believe so. Lots of people give older titles a shot even when they have never played them, and they still unanimously say they're good. I played the original doom for the first time in 2015, and I was blown away. It felt so fast and addicting, yet it was such an old game. I had more fun and enjoyment playing it than playing any call of duty or battlefield campaign because it was challenging and engaging.

Darth Cannabris I do agree to a certain extent but I’m saying some of this notion is nostalgia. It is a factor to take into consideration

It’s really not nostalgia tbh, games just aren’t as in depth anymore and are fundamentally flawed most of the time. The graphics as well lack charm and aesthetic nowadays as well imo.

@Nicholas Eitenmiller Obviously not the 100% answer, but it's not a coincidence that people usually think that the best time for any entertainment medium was when they were young or becoming adults.

Nicholas Eitenmiller I said it has contributed, not the main factor behind the notion.

Nicholas Eitenmiller I said it has contributed, not the main factor behind the notion.

That's because it has nothing to do with it. At a certain point, nostalgia can't be the explanation for everything.

Joshua Bennett virgin 90s gamer vs 40s cathode ray amusement device chad (first game ever supposedly)

@Something Not Known virgin 2000s gamer vs the chad 90s gamer

@Something Not Known virgin 2000s gamer vs the chad 90s gamer

Well I’ve met people who think SNES is the greatest console of all time. I’ve also met people who think everything declined during the 3D era. Same thing for arcade kids. Now 2000s kids are doing it, but now they can spread their farther then ever before


so much truth in this video. well said mr EmpLemon


I can understand the viewpoint and I wholeheartedly agree except on one point.

I can’t give up the 2010s because of one game
Minecraft in its current state.


I think one important thing to remember is nostalgia looks at things differently than how they were: the best titles are fondly remembered, but the awful crap you had to wade through to find it isn't so much. Like, hell, I remember in 2005 you couldn't avoid a million low effort GTA clones because that's what was "in." Yet while we remember GTA and even the Streets of... series, for everyone one of those there were a dozen 187 Ride or Dies or 25 to Lifes. 10-15 years from now, we will look back on 2010s gaming completely different than how we do today.


What bothers me is that genuinly amazing game companies to look up to are few and far in between as time goes on, and those who seemed like they'd never stoop so low end up there sooner or later:
Naughty Dog: Overworks employees and releases a game that, while i do like it, shattered the fanbase in half
Nintendo: Cease and desists everyone who uses a fraction of their IP's and doesn't care about what the people who worship their games hace to say
Rockstar: Releases an unfinished mess and keeps cashing in the same game that once used to be revolutionary for 8 years

Even Activision who i already hated showed there were some smaller studios within it with people who cared about quality games like Toy's For Bob, and after they make Crash 4 which is practically the only big AAA 3D platformer without Mario to come out of the last ten years they force them to make skins for the cashcow that is Call Of Duty, is honestly sad.

At this point the only AAA studios i still really respect are the first party studios working for Sony and Nintendo like Retro, Monolith, Inteligent Systems, Sucker Punch, Santa Monica, Insomniac, etc. I just hope they get their shit together.


On the people rooting for games to fail thing, I find people hold this sentiment almost exclusively to the big shot AAA publishers. I do want to see games like NBA/MAdden 2k21 fail because it's ridiculous how 2K/EA can get away with blatant gambling in these games.

@Volvith just play new blood interactives lineup

@planescaped did you see the halo people when it was announced?<br>people were celebrating that a meme was born out of 1 face

@planescaped did you see the halo people when it was announced?
people were celebrating that a meme was born out of 1 face

Hargbratch Still rather play them than most triple AAA titles

yeah indie game releases like undertale and stardew valley never get the backlash they deserve just OvwHElmingLY PosiTiVE reviews on steam

they are like the indie equivalent of nickelback

The <i>only</i> time I ever see anyone rooting for a game to fail is when it is coming out from EA, Activision, Take Two, and Nintendo(namely pokemon because it's so iterative).

The _only_ time I ever see anyone rooting for a game to fail is when it is coming out from EA, Activision, Take Two, and Nintendo(namely pokemon because it's so iterative).

I just want the big corporations to die off.
Bring back videogames to an era when people were creating games for all intents and purposes out of their garage.
With budgets that didn't start with a 9, and happened to be a some 7 figure number...
People always say "the good old days", and that's usually disregarded as "ha, it's just you thinking about the good old days"... ... Boy cries wolf, boy dies, nobody believed him.

I miss the good old days.
When things were simple.


I miss playing metropolismania 1 and 2. Really wished they made another one.


BeamNG.drive is still going strong, and it started in 2011! Yes, it started in the worst decade for gaming, but it is one of the best games ever!


He put Super Paper Mario in the good games category, respect earned.

@Ethan M Unpopular opinion but certainly a good one. Super Paper is such a good game.

Was surprised that Emp didn't use Thousand-Year Door for that example, but yeah I agree, much prefer Super compared to the OG Paper Mario TBH


MIDNIGHT CLUB!! MC3 is one of the FEW games I play and probably my most played game ever, behind Gran Turismo 4. The very few times I've tried playing new games on new consoles have always been underwhelming and NOT worth it, so I have just ended up playing the same few games over and over, and I'm perfectly happy with that.


The Downward Spiral never stops. Might as well enjoy the ride

If this is going down, I don't wanna go up


There is a reason why I basically never get hyped for ANY game, until it comes out the way as promised, or better.

Pretty much, I always just wait for a year so that I can actually get a stable game for 1/4th of the price. Saves money and headache.


Strangely, Nintendo being behind the times preserved some of the earlier fun.


This is why I love playing egg.inc. It’s a simple mobile game that doesn’t force ads on you and it’s a afk game meaning you don’t have to waste hours growing. I’ve playing that game for about 3 years now


I always talk about this with my friends. I started to realize this with GTA.  I remember that San Andreas had a lot of things to do and a lot of details and mechanics, when I played GTA IV I liked the game story and everything but it felt so lacking, Rockstar set the bar to high with San Andreas. Same thing with other games like going to Sims 4 from Sims 3, FarCry 2 to 3, Saints Row 2 to Saints Row The Third, Fallout NV to 4 (Fallout New Vegas still my favorite game of all time) and the list goes on.... The only recent game that nailed that old time quality it's Red Dead Redemption 2, but still, it's one game every 3 or 5 years when in the past we can get that quality every year or even 3 times a year.

Forgot to say that Doom Eternal I'ts another recent game I enjoyed a lot


Just wanted to add another comment : Gaming is an art industry - imagine if Da Vinci only had few hours instead of years to make a Mona Lisa. The main concern of the most companies in this business is to grow their loyal fanbase, which is hard when there are so many games made almost daily that rapidly draw attention away from other projects.

Thats why early access exist, thats why open beta tests exist, thats why DLCs were invented and most games are often rushed into the release state - companies do everything possible nowadays to keep their fanbase entertained and hyped for long enough so they would be around to buy a company's new product, or else their sales might flop, which leads to a bankruptcy

Honestly I think Hype for a game hurts it in the long run. Look at games like Fall Guys, Among Us, Fortnite, Minecraft and even Undertale. All of these games had almost no Hype or exposure prior to being available and are now huge hits. In contrast look at games like Mighty no.9, No Man’s Sky  or Star Wars Battlefront 2 those games have years of hype and were massive let downs.

Then these companies deserve to fail. Thats the main problem with our market that now requires a trillion dollars every 10ish year to bail it out. Companies overledging themselves because they are banking on a big payout. More chefs in the kitchen doesn't solve problems faster, its just a bigger deficit. Then games like Don't Starve or Stardew Valley come along and take a big fat SHIT on "Triple A" gaming companies. The problem with the gaming industry is greedy moralless companies and the dumb consumers that facilitate them. The best video I've ever seen that summarizes this is from this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaAH-cv2ybo&ab_channel=Samyoline

"Theres a reason why EA looks like a money grubbing monolith... Because it is one. And there is a reason they treat you like a little bitch... Because you are one."

Imagine if the canvas kept getting bigger and bigger as years went on and as demand for larger paintings went up, Davinci had to keep hiring more and more artists until eventually his trademark style was nowhere to be found.

This is true now that I think about it. Maybe animal crossing NH could've only come a year later after it's original release date due to them finishing the event updates and finish the full game. Instead they released it in increments so people could enjoy it earlier with the bonus of continuous attention. They even postponed the actual release date before it came out early 2020. Or maybe it's just a tactic, who knows.

The main concern of most companies in this business is to fatten their wallets. That's why DLC was invented, and most games are often rushed into the release state - companies do everything possible to get as much money out of their "fanbase" as possible for as little work as possible. Gaming has largely been corporatized, you won't find any passion for the craft outside of indie developers, just a passion for making money. It doesn't matter if they cater to their audience or not, idiots will still buy their product; bankruptcy is never a concern for a AAA game company.


I've noticed this especially from halo infinite, I know everyone doesn't like the monetary scheme but the game is great but everyone complains about small things and always rag on it every time because its "cool"


I fully agree with the local multiplayer thing. It is much more fun to hang out with your close friends and just mess around in a certain game. Online gaming makes me mad a lot of time and it’s just not fun.


okay okay, you literally had me in the first half, i was on board, but you lost me at the end.
this is all speculation, twitter research or whatever. you have the right to say whatever you feel, but going on about other people doing what they want instead of the criticisms you actually opened with, im just saying for me, you dropped the ball on this.

games have become much less focused on the actual gaming and entertainment, and more about profit, addiction etc, but you didn't elaborate on anything i didn't know except that maybe i should play Nascar 2004, that game actually looks like fun considering im a Need For Speed person myself. also seriously get over the gamegate shit jeez, anita sarkeesian has been irrelevant since 2017 and actually was based, dont at me, but games are literally less political then they've ever been with the cash grab AAA publishers. I used to find full on anticapitalist games and now they all hide behind allegory, and thats more provable than "every gamer has to have a flawless political standing to participate in any online community" lol


To be honest, I would happily give up everything made after Y2K and go back to the Quake series, Half-Life, Unreal Tournament.<br>Oh, and the countless good Amiga games.

To be honest, I would happily give up everything made after Y2K and go back to the Quake series, Half-Life, Unreal Tournament.
Oh, and the countless good Amiga games.


Feel like another reason for why modern games can only either be huge or small titles with no inbetween is because nowadays games that fit the current technological standards are far more expensive to make than before (you have shit like rockstar having multiple developers just to make the horse's ball physics in rdr2) and thus, since companies don't want to face backlash due to not having perfect photorealistic graphics they either go all in or instead create smaller indie titles. This is why the PS2 era was arguably the best videogame era of all time, the cost of making good, groundbreaking games was just right for it to not break the game's budget, which would also explain why there was a lot more genre and thematic variety in games back then

That's a really good point but it doesnt apply to AAA games that take advantage of their customers and pump out the same kind of games with little to no change between titles, it's also why I like Ubisoft, at least they try to bring variety with varying degrees of success

@Xavier Saavedra Why not? Creativity was vastly superior in this era, the hardware was finally capable of proper 3D environments without it blowing budgets or having a pixelated mess with clunky controls. In comparison to today, you either have live services (team shooters mostly) or cutscene/vehicle simulators unless you go indie.
What also helped in my opinion is that it was a very experimental era. There was no trend. In the past, it was 2D or 3D platformers, for the PS3 era it was military FPS and now it's fully live service multiplayers.

Also, games came in their entirety on disc which means you can still play them today like they were new. They don't rely on servers.
Speaking of servers, multiplayer games were in their infacy back then, however it was entirely free for supported games. So you had co-op and online multiplayer, especially on the original Xbox... and the best part about it is that the multiplayer wasn't a live service, there was no grind or addiction, just basic good old fun.

Before the PS2 era, games are normally criticized because they were actually very short (1-3 hours long) once you stopped dying every minute. Dying and recouping lost progress was the "fun". Saving was also more complicated, the N64 and PS1 did try to fix this issue although most games either had horribly long distant checkpoint placements or things like passwords still. The PS2 and Xbox have perfected it.

Another aspect I would like to point out is that besides the Dreamcast, all other consoles did well and competition was fierce. Despite the PS2 outselling the competition, each console had a lot of bangers and offered many reasons to own them. If I was an adult back then, I would have tried to buy all 3 (PS2, Xbox and Gamecube) because they were actually worth owning. Nowadays I can just game almost everything on my PC, there is zero excitment over these new consoles.

This is why a lot of people - including me - look at the 6th gen as the best one. It was powerful enough to change the landscape (in a good way), offer much needed quality of life improvements, all consoles offered great games, the limitations of the past were gone and it's fondly remembered as the last generation before the aggressive monetization, shortage of creativity and other bad things like paid online.

@Xavier Saavedra you wouldn't, most people here would.

Um, you did take off your nostalgia glasses before writing this comment right. The ps2 and their contersparts are good but I wouldn’t call them the apex.

Facts! The PS2 era was arguably gaming at it's finest.

Games now as your comment puts are super pushy on graphics and to this end create undue amounts of labor however the point of this video I think is to say even though this is what gamers say they want I can't think of the number of gamers who look right past breathtaking vistas and other excellent scenery and photography work and ask the very simple question. "where is the game?".  I think it would be more accurate to say the budgets for AAA games are being mismanaged causing to much funds to go to graphics instead of making sure they have a game that is fun and worth playing. However this could also be the developer fault as well. It could be staff driven issue who have expectations of there own of what a good game should "look like" and failing to meat that expectation is failure to make a good game. ... hard to say.


I agree for the most part. I do think that mobile gaming has great future possibilities. I personally like Mario kart tour. I have never spent money and it’s great whenever you want to just play a game of Mario kart. Also there are many great indi games on mobile. I would recommend Goblin Sword. Which isn’t free but a fantastic platformer reminiscent of Castlevania. But the list of good mobile games goes on and on. Of course my favorite mobile game is one that’s cross platform, RuneScape, the best!!!


The biggest problems in the industry that are keeping things down are the compulsion for every game to be a continuous content delivery platform instead of an actual game, and the hoarding of intellectual property. I remember a time when new franchises came out - but that doesn't happen very often anymore. Sometimes you get a breakout indie hit like Undertale, but there's rarely ever a follow-up. Sometimes, like in the case of Minecraft, it just gets updated and kept alive for years. Which is fine - I'm glad people enjoy a game and support it. But, on the other hand, I do enjoy some variety every now and again. If you just keep putting all your eggs in the Minecraft basket, we're not going to see any new exciting content coming out.


Now you have to wonder, what games will become on 2020s


The indie boom, and the 'golden age of colony sims' where we got rimworld, frostpunk, and a few others all back to back, dark souls 1 and 3, there was alot to like about the previous decade honestly


"So you want a realistic down to earth game... that's swarming with magic robots?" -A quote from the simpsons that perfectly predicted the best game ever made, nier automata

They also predicted Evangelion with that quote.

I just completed it yesterday, and holy shit, it has one of the best video game narratives I’ve ever seen.

@[ GF312 ] By swinging the hammer A LOT.

how the hell do they hit it on the nail many times?


im glad i grew up in the golden age of video games and that my family was wealthy enough to afford all the games as they came out. Video games today are such let downs, forget about affording it because its all bundled in shitty subscription passes like everything else now.


I love how you lost all of these great games that people would give up, and then end with raid shadow legends😆


This is exactly how I feel about Gran Turismo.
1, 2, 3 and 4 were mwah chef’s kiss. And now… fancy that, they haven’t made a good one since… 2004.

This is exactly how I feel about Gran Turismo.
1, 2, 3 and 4 were *mwah* chef’s kiss. And now… fancy that, they haven’t made a good one since… 2004.


I've been saying this since 2015ish I'm so happy the general consensus is changing which should demand some improvements


Good lord I completely agree with the “everyone’s a critic” part of your video, I remember playing the new Resident Evil 3, and it was in no way an amazing revolutionary game, I thought it was a solid action shooter experience done very well. And I remember commenting how much I liked the game on a review and I was bomb basted by “elite” know it all’s telling me how I’m wrong and stupid for liking a game. I seriously hate contributing to any sort of conversation online now a days and that situation really killed it for me. Talking about games isn’t very fun anymore.

@Theodore Hodbor  I only played Andromeda. Didn't play any other Mass Effect before and I gotta say, I actually like it. Sure, it's not exactly the definition of non-repetetive gameplay, but it looks good and getting along with the story and missions actually feels satisfying.
Same as Dragonage Inquisition, it's the only DA game I've played so far and I enjoy it.
To be fair, I only play those two games when I don't feel like playing league or hanging out with others, thus I haven't finished em yet (in over 2 years, slowly making progress) but for that does the trick.
Everytime i play a game a lot I feel exhausted and I don't really wanna keep playing it anymore. This applies to games like minecraft but also campaign games like halo (tho coop is a different story) or MOBAs like League of Legends.
My Brian is constantly craving for something new but in the end there is not enough new stuff to keep me "interested" so I play games like League of legends out of boredom. And that's what kills the fun in videogames for me from time to time.
By now I have adapted a palette of games I can always play when everything else is kinda 'meh' at the moment. Some old games like Runescape or Battlefront 2 (the real one, not the one by EA) but also newer games like Modern Warfare. But that also means, I cant play these games on a regular basis cause then I'll get annoyed by em too.

Why is this such a pain.

Nowadays talking about anything isn't fun, gaming, sports, tv or whatever it is there's always going to be those know it alls that instead of a constructive opinion they will go apeshit only because you don't agree.

That's how the internet has always been. What do you mean nowadays?

That online attitude has been bleeding over into the real world for the past decade thanks to the internet and social media becoming ubiquitous in peoples lives. I remember saying back in the early 00's that the more internet and reality merge, the worse both are going to get.

Feel like a goddamn prophet...

I know a lot of people will probably not agree with me on this but I still maintain to this day that Mass Effect Andromeda got a lot more shit than it deserved.<br>It definitely wasn't a great game however for a significant period of time people were acting like the thing damn near killed off the entire gaming industry like ET for the Atari did.

I know a lot of people will probably not agree with me on this but I still maintain to this day that Mass Effect Andromeda got a lot more shit than it deserved.
It definitely wasn't a great game however for a significant period of time people were acting like the thing damn near killed off the entire gaming industry like ET for the Atari did.

@Count Of Monte Cristo little kids bro. if cant enjoy it no one else can. A good friend of mine got mega heated everytime we played overwatch (the beginning days where we just all played torbjorn and camped the payload while making jokes and talking about life). little by little overwatch got more competitive and less fun till we just drifted away. the last game i played with my friends online where i could just banter and enjoy myself was surprisingly gta V.

I like fortnite as for me its a very relaxing game that allows me to calm down and chill. But uh I think we all know how that game is seen rn

Sorry to hear about your experience man. There are a lot of guys who struggle with the idea that people enjoy different games or enjoy games differently. I'm personally not a fan of that remake, but I respect that you found something that you liked in it. I feel like a lot of people don't realize how unpleasant they make talking about games, myself included.

@ProGamerMan Its not as good as revelations or blackflag, but honestly it's still a good game. I think it got a lot of flak because of how good the franchise was at the time

I feel like the only person who liked COD WWII's campaign.<br>And yet I look at certain YouTubers' critiques on the campaign and ask, "Did we even play the same campaign?"

I feel like the only person who liked COD WWII's campaign.
And yet I look at certain YouTubers' critiques on the campaign and ask, "Did we even play the same campaign?"

@ProGamerMan Don't worry, I liked it too.

Yeah, I liked assassin creed 3 and felt like I am alone in my opinion

lol now people replying to this with their thoughts of RE3 when that wasn't the point.

I liked it but I wish it didn't cut out so much content from the original. RE2 Remake did this as well, making the Leon and Claire scenarios end up with almost the same cutscenes and bosses for their respective scenarios. Leon never fought G4 Birkin and Claire never fought the Super Tyrant like they could in the original.
But it wasn't as bad as RE3 Remake's cuts with it cutting out entire sections from the original like the park, clock tower, dead factory, and making the city feel shorter as well as not having much to make you replay the game like story-altering decisions and Mercanaries: Operation Mad Jackal.
Capcom's work on RE2 Remake gave me hope for RE3 Remake. It wasn't a complete disappointment but rather a decrease from "great" to "good". History repeats itself: RE2 is better than RE3.

I absolutely hated it, but it had good parts and Jill finally got some form of love.


I wait awhile for most games that I have any interest in for years now. With certain....additions killing my interest in titles(hello lootboxes/unnecessary online only) after launch. The mass misunderstanding of "Alpha" testing contributed to how little I consider other opinions on gaming. I do care about all aspects of it and want to love certain titles to the moon. But deliberately delayed content for DLC content or pay for power in titles have me hunker down into fewer and fewer titles. Spending that money on other hobbies while I spend hundreds of more hours intended for other titles that miserably fell short. I have become thoroughly pessimistic with titles from studios that have a record or betrayed my trust in their quality.

What has resonated with me most is the unfortunate fact of negativity drawing more viewership. It...sucks.


yeah, my only post 2010s triple a game is doom eternal and i guess payday 2 though i think thats a smaller studio. the rest of my games are from the 2000s or indies. i grew up during the 2010s but ended up dodging a lot of the games from that era because my computer wasnt very good. i do have a computer with modern hardware now, which im glad to have, but that old 2nd gen i5 introduced me to so many good games indirectly and directly.


The poll for what decade people would rather play games from is interesting but I also don't think it implies all those things. I don't really think most people thought that deeply of what they'd give up besides being nostalgic.

It's pretty common now to hear how much better everything was in the past, without any nuance to what it was actually like. What they really miss is the feeling they got back then, most likely being a kid than any value to the gaming quality of the decade.

I'd even bet they may think some games they love from like 2010 and 2011 were 2000s games if it's just from memory


personally I kinda get frustrated on how all games now adays have to be “immersive” you can’t just play 1 game for a week and be almost done with it. every game is a commitment


This is another reason as to why I really like among us, there's nothing to win, no leaderboards, no upgrades no nothing
Just a fun little board-ish game that you get to play with friends easily
Even if they're don't usually play videogames

All the good things in games are bad now?

@Shaman Xeed "It's just a game. Why u hevv to be mad?"

@Shaman Xeed I feel like you forgot to add "gamers rise up" somewhere in there

I’ve had some of the best laughs I’ve had in years with my friends because of among us


I disagree with a lot of this video for starters I think now more than ever it is easy to avoid crap games since there will be reviews before the game even comes out. Competitive gaming hasn't ruined the fun of games you can play casual or competitive no one is forcing you to play competitive. Sure it was cool to play with my family a couple of times ever but being able to play with friends from school at any time of the day through online is far better. The problem is people need to be better consumers if a game and game companies  are doing bad practices you don't support simply don't buy the game. Sure the 2000's had a lot of great games but so have the 2010's. I will never trade Call of duty black ops 1 and 2 for any other game in the world they hold a special place in my heart. The last of us had me in tears for characters I didn't even know minutes in. I made unforgettable memories playing Destiny. I had frustrating but enjoyable moments in fighterz. The sensation of beating isshin in sekiro is still engraved in my mind like it was yesterday. The rush that siege brought to me when I would clutch difficult situations is unforgettable. The hours I sunk into spider man and god of war is crazy. Uncharted 3 is still one of my favorite games ever. The new releases of Resident evil and the remasters are great. Horizon zero dawn was a great game with fantastic world design. I could go on and on but I'll stop


Video games and rap music are in a very similar place. They were recently very popular and made a lot of money but started to fall off a cliff in terms of quality which is starting to crash their markets even though no one can tell what the real issue is. I think it comes down to one distinct feature of subcultural trends: trope exhaustion (this is likely why people are so cynical in the current moment). When a subculture's tropes become overplayed and oversaturated to point where becomes a feature of the mainstream, the original members start to lose interest because the trend lost it's novelty factor (this was where rock music found itself in 2005). This usually leads to the death of a subculture as people try to create a new movement with very different values but still related to the previous movement.

Values are important to a subculture, they set the basic rules that everyone should adhere in order to ensure it's success. However, that very subculture should always try to prevent those basic parameters from become barriers to innovations and progress. That's why a rule becomes a trope that limits and kills off the creativity a subculture needs to thrive. We should be willing to toss out values that are no longer needed, especially if those values prevent growth (think slavery in 1860's America and Eugenics in 1940's Europe and Japan).


I remember when 4K came out. Mouths salivated, people shelled out wallets for video cards. Everything was 4K. Even food.


I've strongly felt media as a whole has been on pause or repeating old trends or sequels with no new value since 2012


If TF2 is your most played game of all time, what’s your take on Valve’s mismanagement and neglect of it?

@Minty Fresh 100,000 players at once isn't dead, I'm sorry TFC, FF, DoD, and probably 100s of other similar games have less than 50 and no dev support and are far from dead.

@Minty Fresh Hm...... I still beg to differ

Theres still not 3 million in existence.

@MateAndMead I'm talking about the balance of the stock weapons.
And you acting as a walking ad for it isnt going to make people want to play it. Let alone myself
It isnt what I want from tf2, it's simple as that, if you find enjoyment in it, good for you, but I could give less of a shit about the servers.
I quit the game months ago, playing on those servers isnt going to change my mind either

@Minty Fresh There is not 3 million listings of the force of nature. And even then you dont have to only rely on BP.tf to sell the item. Thats where trading servers exists

@MateAndMead Jesus i ain't reading this 30 lines bs

@Shadow Mario There's no newbies in it cause newbies just play matchmaking... How would  newbie even know about the servers... you have to really go out of your way to even find out about them.

And no the thumper sucks pretty damn hard, no one uses it. I tried it myself, it's pretty damn bad. You effectively trade 10% more damage and range for 20% slower firing speed. It also has lower deploy time and slower reload time. The 2 shot potential for soldiers isnt worth all the downsides.

It effectively makes you lose a lot of dps and it sucks hard as a backup weapon because everything about it is so slow. Idk if it used to be more powerful and they nerfed it, but as of now, If you think it's op, I think that's more people being salty and calling everything that kills them OP, as per usual in TF2. I tried all the custom weapons and they are all pretty bad and niche, cept for the Bolchevik Bomber, which is finally a viable shotgun for heavy. It's not gonna replace the sandvich though, and theres still little point to use a shotgun given heavy's pimary weapons. But it makes fat scout a little more viable I guess. I haven't used it much though. But even the Bolchevik Bomber I've never seen anyone except myself use.

Infact, I haven't seen ANYONE except me use the custom weapons so far. So either way they're not an issue.

Also the influx of newbies has declined. You barely see any gibus anywhere anymore at all, be it matchmaking or whatnot, unless it's a bot. I haven't seen a propper noob in over 200 hours. Idk what part of there being no newbies is "sus". Try to find ANY community server with noobs on it and I'll be very surprised. TF2 simply isn't as popular as it used to be. Most people still playing are veterans. Most casual players and noobs have moved on to more popular free to play games like Fortnite unfortunately. Especially due to the bot crisis.

Even skial doesn't have noobs anymore, at least not in EU, and I've looked. Skial is just full of sweaty tryhards with hale's own australium weapons in EU now, no noobs in sight whatsoever.

Creators is actually the first time ive seen people just play for fun in a looooooooong time. And when teams are really unbalanced they actually vote for scramble, even the winning team. I've been much happier on these servers, even though I'm one of the worse players and I get rekt a lot.

But don't take my word for it, have a look at the servers yourself, and if you still don't like them, just leave, that's fine. I'm just glad I'M having fun in tf2 again, cause I never had any fun anymore after the meet your match update. I find the casual matchmaking to be terrible, the wporst matchmaking I've ever experience in any game whatsoever, and stacking teams even worse than pubs did SOMEHOW. Idk who thought a mtachmaking system where you can joing matches in progress was a good idea

Beef Supreme First of all, understanding why something is happening and thinking that something is extremely unfair aren’t mutually exclusive. Second of all, TF2 is still making bank for valve, meaning they have plenty of incentive to work on it but just aren’t.

It's a 13 year old game and they don't want to work on it anymore. What's there to not understand about that?

@MateAndMead The Thumper is a pretty op weapon on Creators, hope they nerfed it.
I don't play Creators.tf but the fact there's "no newbies" in it get me sus

@Minty Fresh all i said was that you couldnt prove what you were saying, and i made an estimate on how many bots there are. you clearly thought that meant "trade bots dont exist" and you also didnt give an actual estimate that wasnt guesswork. "there are a number of listings for items so that means bots" isnt a very compelling argument, because not everybody has a bot, and not everybody only has one listing on an account, which was not fully factored in your equation. also how did you find all these bots, did you individually look through every item listing to spot every bot? provide your full and entire process to prove your number.

@TerrarianEnder I wish. Not in EU they didn't. Not even close. Almost every casual match in EU still has one or even two bots joining sooner or later.

@Minty Fresh thats not even the point i was making, why do you have to resort to strawmanning instead of proving your point?

@Minty Fresh Trading bots don't join games though. You can trade TF2 items without even having TF2 open, you do realize that, right? Items, TF2 or not, are mostly traded through steam, not the game itself.

@Minty Fresh "definitive proof" that you wont provide, and wont provide sources for.

no thanks
I really dont like Creators.tf at all.
Its balancing of weapons Is honestly pretty bad and adding fake weapons and cosmetics to the game you can buy with good boy points is about as much effort as valve puts into updates now. Adding funny cosmetics is not going to change the game for me at all. So in short, no I wont play creators.tf, I'll stick to casual vanilla servers, thank you very much

@MateAndMead Bro, TF2's bot problem is history. Valve pretty much wiped bots off the face of TF2.

@Minty Fresh there are probably less than 500 regular trading bots, (this is a complete guess, mind you) and definitely less than 1k total, in fact id argue there were more aimbots about a month ago than trading bots.

@Minty Fresh Casual Trading is dead, so its mostly an unusual trading bot. Its alive but niche. Tyler McVicker exaggerated those numbers too.

@Minty Fresh Lol TF2 just beat a personal record of concurrent players, sure.

@Warded Thorn with cosmetics that the community made... while not adressing the bot problem at all...

I'm not sure I'd say valve has done a fantastic job with it, but they're at least still updating it. That's pretty impressive

@Minty Fresh Try playing on creators.tf i was skeptical at first too cause I heard some negative things, like pay to win and whatnot but most of the negative things turned out to not be true at all (It doesn't even have any way to spend real money whatsoever) and It's honestly the most fun I've had with Tf2 since the awful meet your match update

I feel like an idiot for having so much prejudice towards those servers now. They're amazing. Completely different from the awful casual matchmaking.

>what is your opinion on bad thing?
>its bad
roll credits

>what is your opinion on bad thing?
>its bad
*roll credits*

Dr. Bright, how many times must we tell you not to comment under youtube videos without direct permission from the O-5?


It’s not just the $60+ Price tags for modern games that made me stick to only used, older generation games, it’s the culture among developers of releasing not finished games. Day 1 patches that require huge amounts of storage to function properly, the whole content of a game not being available until after a year of the games life, and content not being available offline are just some of the things that did it for me. I will never buy a game past xbox 360, I’ll just keep repairing or getting new xbox 360’s


I think the talented games of today with vision are more on the small studio/indie side of the market. Those making it for the love of the craft.


No lie ive been slowly going backwards since games had more content and draw me in with nostalgia alone


I haven’t played an online game in a long time. I stick to single player because that’s what I want out of a video game the 2-3 times a year I play one.


What about the incredible rise in indie titles? If anything, there are more "simple games" being released now than ever before. I agree modern gaming has its issues, but the sheer number of options available is staggering. Plus, many of those older games are now cheaper than ever before. Rather than getting caught up in what's new and popular, just play old games if that's what you enjoy. I still play PSP games from time to time.

same, i usually play kinect sports or NASCAR 09' or NASCAR inside line on my xbox 360

Isn't Among Us an indie game? It was created by three guys--and it's one of the best games out there. Right there with Minecraft. Among Us and Minecraft is online multiplayer done right (there is an option for local play)

with simple games graphics isn't as much as a worry and you can really focus on making the gameplay really fun and they aren't that hard to make compared to bigger games even though they can sometimes be more fun

im getting tired with indie game everything just stolen content with use same reason "inspired", people in indie afraid take something new cuz it gonna waste they time and money even there are successful game without "borrowing" idea from old or popular game its only like 5% who did it

@Sho I agree. I feel like many indie developers appeal to more vague messages and most seem like their stories are just up to interpretation, especially if youre an average Joe with a lizard brain. Even then that just leaves something like Hotline Miami, and my friend pedro worth playing to most people.

Yeah there are still some neato high-quality games coming out that you can play (like the half life alyx game or dreams for playstation or some new trendy games)

@DaileyDose64 Indies are not the same, there's literally nothing remotely similar to Nascar Thunder 2004 made by indies. Even ignoring the fact that getting all those driver and car licenses is impossible for them, indie racings just aren't as rich in content. And this isn't just with racings, same applies to most genres. Indies lean too heavily into artsy and imaginative game concepts with small teams and hardly any money, good down-to-earth titles with decent budget, like what the video is talking about when it refers to "simple games", are all but non-existant nowadays even in the realm of indies.

This video is filled with a ton of incredibly generalized and bad hot takes. Literally will only talk about shit that supports his weird views. HIs refusal to talk about the Indy scene is point and case. Also it is okay to be pissed when a dev lies about what a game is and isnt going to be, thats not falling for hype thats being scammed

@Test Name You still get AA quality games from indie devs tho. Risk of Rain 2, Darkwood, Hylics 2, Wuppo, Roboquest. Just a few relatively popular examples.

I guess he meant "AA" games, mid-shelf games, ones like Katamari Damacy or Burnout, where they had a greater budget of modern indies, but less than AAA games.


For me, i think the problem is that there are just so many great games that nothing stands out, people are getting too spoiled when everyone has literally hundreds of games in our steam library, including access to all of the old classics that we never got to play


"The past decade has led to a significant portion of people who no longer engage with games for fun"<br>I hate this so much.

"The past decade has led to a significant portion of people who no longer engage with games for fun"
I hate this so much.


local multiplayer split screen is extremely taxing on games. Its the same reason games hardly have mirrors, rendering something twice or 4 times over takes a huge hit to the cpu.<br>Nowadays any game with local multi is single screen or very primitive graphics.

local multiplayer split screen is extremely taxing on games. Its the same reason games hardly have mirrors, rendering something twice or 4 times over takes a huge hit to the cpu.
Nowadays any game with local multi is single screen or very primitive graphics.


I know that the game came out after this video, but "It Takes Two" is the best game I have played in a while.


You could say that the internet contributed a huge portion to this problem


The only game company I consistently support and have yet to be really disappointed in is fromsoftware. It actually feels like they care about what they make. Indie games are the only other thing that keep me hopeful for the future, triple a games have mostly just disappointed me. I could probably list every triple a title I've enjoyed in the last 5 years on one hand.


For those who want to give up the 2010s, can we make an exception for batman arkham city, had one of the best stories in gaming.


Don't get me wrong, I love some of the older games I used to play like azure dreams, chrono cross and daggerfall, and honestly, I've probably sunk more hours into ff7 and daggerfall than any other games I've ever bought. However, dark souls, no mans sky, path of exile, and quite a few others have been really damned good.

Then again, vampire bloodlines, bioshock, fallout, diablo 2, oblivion, assassins creed 1. Every decade has it's gems and while they are all good in their own way I don't think I'll ever end up liking games as much as the rpgs that had gripping stories or characters that just felt real.

Bloodlines is a perfect example of this, those characters were just so memorable, and while chrono crosses story may bit a bit convoluted and was difficult to follow when I was younger, even now it sticks out as one of my favorites.


I'm not so much for the idea that games in general are on the downward spiral, as much as it's like, online PC games. I'm really struggling to find online FPSes that are well balanced and enjoyable. Not to say that I think they're inherently bad games, it just feels as though the devs don't really care about solving any problems the games might have in its current state.


The thing about Artifact, it was more of a response to Valve as a whole than the game. Artifact was the first game theyd announced between 2013-2018. and if you want to disregard Dota 2, that gap expands to 2011-2018. A legendary dev that had gone silent for many years finally announced a new project, and it was just a card game. Not a  left 4 dead 3, not half life 3, not portal 3, not a brand new IP that would push the envelope. Something that immediately appeared to be trying to capture the audience of Hearthstone or Magic. If they had released any kind of traditional game within the 3 years prior, the response to Artifact wouldnt have been anywhere close to that extreme. If you really pay attention to the live reaction, everybody was into it even on the screen announcing the title. Until the exact moment the screen says "card game"

Artifact had bigger problems than the Valve logo though. Those who didn't mind the new card game by Valve (like me) were seriously disappointed by the horrible design decisions of the game. Gameplay was fun but only way to progress was with your credit card. Once people realized they've been scammed by Valve, the game died faster than lightning.

Not to mention the neglect they give their still active games. Dota 2 and CSGO are starting to lose attention from valve, and it's been three years since they gave TF2 a major update. All three of these games still have big playerbases that contribute financially to valve, and they get silence in return.

Otherwise, I don't think he did his research on that one.

@You Squidding Me? As soon as that would get heard people would have hated it anyway. I doubt it would have helped to NOT day what it was.

Yeah, there wasn't anyone angry at Bethesda for launching Elder Scrolls Legends.


I have a bad computer, so I mostly play older titles, but I've had the most fun with them.

I'll likely still stick to early 2010s/mid 2010s games rather than spend 70 dollars for something disappointing.


Video games likely saved my life after my daughter and only child passed away in 2014. I know all about escapism. 🥺


i think what a lot of people remember from local multiplayer is from a position of being blessed, i never had friends that played games as a kid and the games i liked to play were not popular so my multiplayer options were 0, so online was the first and only time i could really play games with others, so to see people crap on it to substitute the fact that they grew older and dont have a bus full of classmates to play with really annoys me.


It all depends on the market. I sim race which is more niche, so our games are all unique and have a USP. The genre generally solves most of the issues you address. I'm sure others do too. When you mostly play the more popular games I feel as if the product tends to be uninspired, but niche and indie games capture that feeling if inspiration and care towards their products.


imagine buying AAA games instead of crawling through YouTube and Steam to see which slightly obscure games could be fun

@Promis Nwekenta I do care, I'm just very bad at defending things, if you just look up "is yo-kai watch a Pokemon clone" you'll get a better defense

@BulldogBlast but most of the things you said they either had or still have. And yokai does draw some inspiration from pokemons very successful strategies. You gotta defend better if ya really care. Also while i despise the new direction pokemon is going, im sure there still some funny characters in there even now.....

@Promis Nwekenta characters being funny (I don't think they are, it barley had any jokes from my memory), good story (pokemons story is pretty bad now, its not that good), cool and cute creatures (yeah), unique gameplay (pokemons gameplay is basically the same but yo-kai watch has changed majorly) but there are many more different things trust me, it's not a "Pokemon clone" it's unique.

@BulldogBlast most of the things you mentioned is also in pokemon.

For example yo-kai watch, it's called a Pokemon clone when, in reality it's so much more fun than pokemon, the characters are funny, the story is great, the creatures are cute and cool, and the gameplay is unique but they just see 1 yo-kai and say "Pokemon clone" the reddit even only has 10,000 members (which is really good but for a video game that's not that good).

Ah you're one of those guys that starts every point with "imagine".

I don’t like indie games because they can often have the same if not more problems than AAA games but the problems often get brushed off due to the fact that it’s just one person and not a company

I’m sorry but if my game can crash without warning and then have me reinstall the whole thing then idc if it’s a AAA company or one person

@Disavowed W
I don't have to imagine!
I already know the pain.

Or go on emulation sites, & find some games to play on those sites? That's how I played Aro on DOS.

@YHWH I wished Titanfall 2 got more attention that was fun moblity

Eira: Echoes of Adventure is pretty good, and it's free.

@Disavowed W Warcraft 3 reforged still hurts man :(

KLICK KAN KAP  you’re generalizing too much

@KLICK KAN KAP Imagine unironically using the word "soyboy"

Imagine unironically simping for COD year after year when you can play titanfall 2, tf2 and many other great double A or community driven titles. for 50% (or some cases 100%) less.


Honestly, I'm part of the large minority of people who enjoy older games. There was so much more creative energy radiating off those games, even when they seem a lot simpler by comparison. Games these days are needlessly complex and the market for them is oversaturated.


I wish sometimes I could just hit pause on the gaming industry for 5 years so everyone can take a step back and think


Impossible expectations... So being a content creator got it


so glad you said it, been saying games have lost their touch for years