I only buy games 2-3 or even 4 years after the hype has died down. So I only ever pay a max of like 25$

I only buy games 2-3 or even 4 years after the hype has died down. So I only ever pay a max of like 25$

Reading this entire thread can basically be summed up as “yeah, I don’t pay full price for games. Except from this particular studio.” That’s cool. Millions of people enjoy cod and are happy to make that their one full price purchase each year. Just like some millions people are happy to pay full price when rockstar releases a new game. I’m happy to pay full price with every insomniac game because I enjoy their products and think they do amazing work. Everyone will make exceptions and the fact is, most of y’all are hypocrites. Saying full price isn’t worth it, “except for Id software bro, they make great games.” Some people’s id is treyarch. You need to recognize that people have different tastes and yeah, people do enjoy cod and madden. Despite what you personally think of these yearly franchises, people still have fun playing them.

@Gonçalo Carneiro Nah emulating is just leeching off the devs. Emulating should be reserved for old games; over ~15 years old.

@Gonçalo Carneiro Nah emulating is just leeching off the devs. Emulating should be reserved for old games; over ~15 years old.

@Derryl Hopkins That's a good point, too. Despite OP stating he won't do it, the moment a game comes out that he likes, he'll be the first person to get it, regardless of how much it's worth.

@Derryl Hopkins That's a good point, too. Despite OP stating he won't do it, the moment a game comes out that he likes, he'll be the first person to get it, regardless of how much it's worth.

@CrispyDog Thank you. I don't get what people OP think they're accomplishing by stating stuff like that. So what if he's not going to pay 70 dollars for a video game? Millions upon millions of people pay that much for games every year. People like OP think their opinions matter and what they decide to do will make a difference, but they're wrong. The fact he can't even respond to anyone who disagreed with him says a lot.

Even in the 90s that's how much you paid for video games.

Even in the 90s that's how much you paid for video games.

@Magic Warrior when i was a kid, it was 29.99

@Magic Warrior when i was a kid, it was 29.99

I am, if it's great. Good money for good products is how you keep the standard of quality high and the money flowing where it counts. But this is rarely the case, and becoming rarer and rarer in the modern times of exclusively profit-oriented economic minmaxing.

I am, if it's great. Good money for good products is how you keep the standard of quality high and the money flowing where it counts. But this is rarely the case, and becoming rarer and rarer in the modern times of exclusively profit-oriented economic minmaxing.

Dude the entire mgs1-4 collection, including peace walker, metal gear 1, and metal gear 2 is like 30$.<br>Nearly the entirety of one of the best video game franchises ever, for, like, 4 happy meals at McDonald’s.

Dude the entire mgs1-4 collection, including peace walker, metal gear 1, and metal gear 2 is like 30$.
Nearly the entirety of one of the best video game franchises ever, for, like, 4 happy meals at McDonald’s.

Doesn't matter. Some dumb dumb who doesn't spend their money right will. And if it won't be them it will be the money lovers that exist everywhere

Doesn't matter. Some dumb dumb who doesn't spend their money right will. And if it won't be them it will be the money lovers that exist everywhere

THIS! 70 is way to cheap. Give me 100-200$ for an amazing timeless game. 60$ for modern crap. 20$ and below it gets good again.

THIS! 70 is way to cheap. Give me 100-200$ for an amazing timeless game. 60$ for modern crap. 20$ and below it gets good again.

Tbf, when games were around 20, they were worth quite a bit more because of inflation. The standard 60 usd is actually some of the lowest prices for games. What i feel is not worth, is paywall content making them go up to 120, and controllers are way more expensive than needed

I would pay $70 if the game has zero micro transactions.

I would pay $70 if the game has zero micro transactions.

A 50 dollar game in 2006 is 70 in today's time when you adjust for inflation

A 50 dollar game in 2006 is 70 in today's time when you adjust for inflation

@Firestorm42 not enough to warrant a 70 dollar pricetag

@Firestorm42 not enough to warrant a 70 dollar pricetag

Ok check mark I’m holding you up to it. If you don’t then…..

Ok check mark I’m holding you up to it. If you don’t then…..

Yeah i can barely get new games anymore because its like 60-70 bucks for one i have to wait for a sale or wait like 2-4 years for it to go down in price

Yeah i can barely get new games anymore because its like 60-70 bucks for one i have to wait for a sale or wait like 2-4 years for it to go down in price

Not wanting to pay that much for a game these days is why they're mediocre and full of in-game purchases - you can't profit from a $60 game without it. Let me clarify that this is a sincere jab at the studios, not the players refusing to pay more. The Triple A industry is a bloated spectacle mill that can't keep up with itself because of impossible standards, not because gamers aren't willing to pay more for the games.

Play indie games. They are usually cheap and are often high quality. I recommend Deep Rock Galactic, Ultra kill, Black Mesa, etc. Three great 2020 releases that aren't from activation or blizzard or Ubisoft or some other shitty big dev.

Play indie games. They are usually cheap and are often high quality. I recommend Deep Rock Galactic, Ultra kill, Black Mesa, etc. Three great 2020 releases that aren't from activation or blizzard or Ubisoft or some other shitty big dev.

What about inflation? 60 dollars 10 years ago is more then 70 dollars today

What about inflation? 60 dollars 10 years ago is more then 70 dollars today

In Canada, new games sell for $79-$89 dollars.  Hell no.

In Canada, new games sell for $79-$89 dollars.  Hell no.

On pc, there’s always somewhere where you can get any game for 75% off

On pc, there’s always somewhere where you can get any game for 75% off

That's one of the reasons why I'm not buying a PS5. I guess it's not a surprise for me when I already believe that no game should be more than $30, if not $20. Part of it must be the free PC games that have as much value as games like Super Mario Odyssey.

That's one of the reasons why I'm not buying a PS5. I guess it's not a surprise for me when I already believe that no game should be more than $30, if not $20. Part of it must be the free PC games that have as much value as games like Super Mario Odyssey.

Never pay more than 20 bucks for a video game.

Never pay more than 20 bucks for a video game.

I've stopped paying 60 years ago, wait for a Steam sale. It's just not worth it.

I've stopped paying 60 years ago, wait for a Steam sale. It's just not worth it.

@Hayden indy games, titanfall 2, fromsoft games and breath of the wild. everything else after 2016 was shit

@Hayden indy games, titanfall 2, fromsoft games and breath of the wild. everything else after 2016 was shit

I remember paying $40 for halo 2, games have definitely gone to shit, everything after the 360 era is trash, mostly. Thank god for nintendo

I remember paying $40 for halo 2, games have definitely gone to shit, everything after the 360 era is trash, mostly. Thank god for nintendo

bean  okay then how do they fix the problems

bean  okay then how do they fix the problems

@Magic Warrior the quality of the game justifies the price I would gladly spend $200 on a game that I could enjoy for thousands of hours without it getting stale. it is all about how valuable the game is. portal 1 is an amazing game but it only takes about 4 hours which is why it is so cheap

With hyperinflation around the corner, you might be paying over $100!

With hyperinflation around the corner, you might be paying over $100!

@Davit David i found some pretty great mobile games, they're VERY rare.

@Davit David i found some pretty great mobile games, they're VERY rare.

@Marcus Borderlands If you know how to mod a switch or jailbreak a PS4, games become $0 as well

@Marcus Borderlands If you know how to mod a switch or jailbreak a PS4, games become $0 as well

Aye matey, maybe therr be somewhere free

Aye matey, maybe therr be somewhere free

@Marcus Borderlands Shit, even without sailing the 7 seas, places like Epic Games have free game downloads. I peruse the app like once a week and download what they offer and just try them out and finish playing what I like.

@Marcus Borderlands Shit, even without sailing the 7 seas, places like Epic Games have free game downloads. I peruse the app like once a week and download what they offer and just try them out and finish playing what I like.

@Magic Warrior I remember buying snes game for 80$ back In the 90s. When the fuck have games ever been sold this cheap?

@Magic Warrior I remember buying snes game for 80$ back In the 90s. When the fuck have games ever been sold this cheap?

@Peruserprecurer Tbh, you can thrash me really a lot, but there is nothing on Switch, worth paying 70$, especially in poor country (Witcher? I'd rather pay 30$ on Steam, or lower,  for a normal version, than that......*thing*, that is on Switch

@Peruserprecurer Tbh, you can thrash me really a lot, but there is nothing on Switch, worth paying 70$, especially in poor country (Witcher? I'd rather pay 30$ on Steam, or lower,  for a normal version, than that......*thing*, that is on Switch

@Marcus Borderlands One of the Chads here, I'm not going to pay for some EA crap, but I will definitely pay for some great games, like GTA 5, and Cyberpunk (BUT ONLY WHEN THEY WILL FIX IT. I've really liked the atmosphere and plot, told by side quests, but you won't pay for your food, if it's not made yet, don't you?)

I don't believe you. You would totally buy one if it is everything you ever wanted from a game. You would even cry of happiness.

I don't believe you. You would totally buy one if it is everything you ever wanted from a game. You would even cry of happiness.

i already think 60 is too much, 40-55 is a good price, hell, 20 is like what the price should be

i already think 60 is too much, 40-55 is a good price, hell, 20 is like what the price should be

@Firestorm42 no other medium suffers from this , if your business model requires you to be scummy overcharge and try to dry the consumer out of every single cent you deserve to fail , if the entire gaming industry has to burn for it then there was nothing there worthwhile to begin with

@Firestorm42 you know how much of that money goes to corporate/management and not payroll for devs?

@Firestorm42 you know how much of that money goes to corporate/management and not payroll for devs?

@Super Penguin animations same, but I’ll only play good games that are worth the price of $70.

@Super Penguin animations same, but I’ll only play good games that are worth the price of $70.

@AnOldPath _ i’d rather pay 60+ than use a shitty game streaming service

@AnOldPath _ i’d rather pay 60+ than use a shitty game streaming service

I honestly don’t mind paying $70 for a game. Keep in mind I’m only paying $70 of the game is worth a damn to me.

I honestly don’t mind paying $70 for a game. Keep in mind I’m only paying $70 of the game is worth a damn to me.

At least Sony and Microsoft games go on sale a year after release, Nintendo on the other hand :/

At least Sony and Microsoft games go on sale a year after release, Nintendo on the other hand :/

@Magic Warrior Its better to wait a year or two then pirate that AAA.<br>I have pirated about 3 AAA for xbox but i willfully bough shovelknight for full price. Why? Because the devs deserve it

@Magic Warrior Its better to wait a year or two then pirate that AAA.
I have pirated about 3 AAA for xbox but i willfully bough shovelknight for full price. Why? Because the devs deserve it

@Firestorm42 yes but still the better game

@Firestorm42 yes but still the better game

@C H wait till he figures out the price of a foosball table

@C H wait till he figures out the price of a foosball table

@Dead Man 101 the average triple A game may cost ten or twenty million to make, but they also usually rake in hundreds. Frankly, AAA devs could cut their launch prices in half and still be more than profitable, which they usually do anyway a month or two after launch, which is when GameStop or some other retailer sells the game for $20

@Dead Man 101 and the average AAA game sucks chards

@Dead Man 101 and the average AAA game sucks chards

@Dead Man 101 <br>And thoseAAA  studios can be counted on one hand

@Dead Man 101
And thoseAAA  studios can be counted on one hand

@Uurōaa the average aaa game costs about 18 million for you to develop pay your employees and equipment.

@Uurōaa the average aaa game costs about 18 million for you to develop pay your employees and equipment.

@Real Human bean not defending aaa companies (especially konami who for some reason now makes pachinko machines.) there are a few game studios that tend to not include such predatory practices.

@Real Human bean not defending aaa companies (especially konami who for some reason now makes pachinko machines.) there are a few game studios that tend to not include such predatory practices.

@C H suppose if your games sells 500,000 and as you say they sell it for 20, they get a revenue of about 6 million dollars, which is way less than the actual development costs of most if not all aaa games studios. Now you might say that developers and publishers  can avoid these costs by in game add and purchases, but there a lot of people who dont like them and are considered to be predatory, imagine buying a movie that you already payed for and an add plays every 15 minutes.And publishers might make them  go on sale a few don't but most do (for example nintendo rarely drops the prices for their games.) The costs of games are going down but big name companies especially ones that provide products with generally enjoyable experiences.

"but I expect my products to be worth that price" right?

"but I expect my products to be worth that price" right?

@Twister well except for nintendo games, those ones never get put on sale.

@Twister well except for nintendo games, those ones never get put on sale.

If consumers could actually unite we could control the market but there’s always enough sheep that need the status of new things quality is secondary and they don’t care or see the need for improvement. They’ll only realize after it’s too late

If consumers could actually unite we could control the market but there’s always enough sheep that need the status of new things quality is secondary and they don’t care or see the need for improvement. They’ll only realize after it’s too late

@Firestorm42 found the extra credits viewer lol, also multiple people proved EC wrong.

@Firestorm42 found the extra credits viewer lol, also multiple people proved EC wrong.

@Firestorm42 MOST OF THE BUDGET IS SPENT ON MARKETING AND UNNECESSARILY HIGH GRAPHICAL FIDELITY.

@Firestorm42 MOST OF THE BUDGET IS SPENT ON MARKETING AND UNNECESSARILY HIGH GRAPHICAL FIDELITY.

@Magic Warrior before the xbox 360 and ps3 games didn't have a price standard, in the 90s there were games costing 80$, IN THE 90s.

@Magic Warrior before the xbox 360 and ps3 games didn't have a price standard, in the 90s there were games costing 80$, IN THE 90s.

@Firestorm42 a good game doesn't need expensive development or AAA graphics. Most great games were developed by tiny teams, and are great because they have a great idea, not because they hired a hundred of professionals to create superHD models. Expensive =/= good in entertainment and art.

@Magic Warrior what are you talking about? NES and SNES cartridges were $50, $89 today. N64 cartridges were $70, $100+ today.

@Magic Warrior what are you talking about? NES and SNES cartridges were $50, $89 today. N64 cartridges were $70, $100+ today.

@Rexma The prices on eBay for popular PS1 and PS2 games are expensive and it's ridiculous. Especially rare games, like Obscure, Haunting Ground, Koudelka, Godzilla on PS4, and Kuon. No used game should be worth more than $20.

@Rexma The prices on eBay for popular PS1 and PS2 games are expensive and it's ridiculous. Especially rare games, like Obscure, Haunting Ground, Koudelka, Godzilla on PS4, and Kuon. No used game should be worth more than $20.

@Firestorm42 Yes, it's getting more and more expensive to make video games. In 15 to 20 years, we could very well see average game prices be $80 bucks.

@Firestorm42 Yes, it's getting more and more expensive to make video games. In 15 to 20 years, we could very well see average game prices be $80 bucks.

@Magic Warrior £40-£50 is still the limit here in Britain.

@Magic Warrior £40-£50 is still the limit here in Britain.

@Carnyzzle <br>The main reason why scams are appearing is because old men in business suits realized gaming is insanely profitable and they’ll drain every bit of profit from it. They don’t care about “””artistic integrity”””

@Carnyzzle
The main reason why scams are appearing is because old men in business suits realized gaming is insanely profitable and they’ll drain every bit of profit from it. They don’t care about “””artistic integrity”””

@Lúzia A Morta <br>If you want to actually say it’s not true, please do refute every claim I’ve mentionned here and in my past comments.

@Lúzia A Morta
If you want to actually say it’s not true, please do refute every claim I’ve mentionned here and in my past comments.

@Lúzia A Morta
Yeah man, totally not true, it’s not as if changing from cartridges, something that cost one dollar and something cents for every copy, which essentially totals to a shitton of money. Getting rid for the most part of transportation to retail stores where your physical copies aren’t even guaranteed to sell.
Digital was the best thing to happen to companies, it cut out so many of the major expenses.
Not only that, but do you think the gaming playerbase stayed the same demographic? Gaming is a multi billion dollar market for a reason. The userbase grew exponentially and with that, the costs can be recouped. The profit hasn’t stagnated, buddy.

Hell yeah man I spent 100$ for Mario kart live home circuit

Hell yeah man I spent 100$ for Mario kart live home circuit

@Firestorm42 Backwards logic, paying full price for unfinished games is what ENABLES them to continue such business practices. Consumers need to grow a pair and vote with their wallets.

That goes for any production industry, not just gaming. (*Cough* Fuck you, Hollywood *Cough*)

They were $70 back in the SNES days, and no one gave a shit.

They were $70 back in the SNES days, and no one gave a shit.

Nice to see you joining us on a downward spiral

Nice to see you joining us on a downward spiral

I ain’t spending 90 bucks on a half assed game.

I ain’t spending 90 bucks on a half assed game.

@Magic Warrior  Game cartridges use to go for 70$+  back in the day.  A ps1 game would range from 40-100$.

@Magic Warrior  Game cartridges use to go for 70$+  back in the day.  A ps1 game would range from 40-100$.

Only time ill shill that out is for ff7, 8, or 9 ps1 release physical copies

Only time ill shill that out is for ff7, 8, or 9 ps1 release physical copies

if you've paid for more than 1 triple a title videogame, you've paid more than $70 bucks already.

if you've paid for more than 1 triple a title videogame, you've paid more than $70 bucks already.

I don't dare paying more than uh... Checks exchange rates
13 dollars

And that if I REALLY like the game, otherwise I'd pay 7 dollars at most

I don't dare paying more than uh... *Checks exchange rates*
13 dollars

And that if I REALLY like the game, otherwise I'd pay 7 dollars at most

@Vee Dee Joe I can't wait to play GTA 5 again this year while Red Dead gets abandoned at birth again on a console that won't support Anime games because they are totally not on a power high. Sony is doing great. 10/10 company tactics.

@Vee Dee Joe I can't wait to play GTA 5 again this year while Red Dead gets abandoned at birth again on a console that won't support Anime games because they are totally not on a power high. Sony is doing great. 10/10 company tactics.

@drukenhobo I'm a console player and I even agree. Go Pc.

@drukenhobo I'm a console player and I even agree. Go Pc.

@Vee Dee Joe I love how pro-consumer Sony is, don't you?

@Vee Dee Joe I love how pro-consumer Sony is, don't you?

@Drewdog yeah, but the MK 11 stuff is actually worth it and doesn't negatively affect gameplay. That's one of the companies who do those right. Aftermath came with a story extention and new chracters with new dialogue. NetherRealm done this right. Really, I think we should support DLC like Aftermath because the gaming industry isn't reverting anytime soon so we can at least show them what kind of DLCs we want and will buy.

Give them MORE money, so they won't want more money! Wait...

Give them MORE money, so they won't want more money! Wait...

@drukenhobo It's definitely what swayed me to the master race, back in 2011.

@drukenhobo It's definitely what swayed me to the master race, back in 2011.

I opened this comment thread JUST so I could see how intense the finger wagging got. Look, I remember fucking PAPERBOY 2 costing 70 bucks back in the day, same with ports of Smash TV. Earthbound flopped partially due to people feeling it wasn't worth the inflated price -- despite the fact he came with an awesome strategy guide.

Besides, to the guy blaming YOU for the DLC? MK11 was 60 bucks out of the box, then they charged 40 more dollars for the Aftermath DLC, and will likely charge 40 more for the next one.

So no, kenny's not the reason they continue doing that shit. They're gonna do it regardless because people won't STOP. They won't stop paying 10 bucks for costumes or cosmetics, and until they do, it will continue.

Other people will though. Just like with Xbox Live, this will become a norm. Get ready to pay 70 dollars for games now.

Other people will though. Just like with Xbox Live, this will become a norm. Get ready to pay 70 dollars for games now.

@Lazy Sorcerer How do you know that for sure though

@Lazy Sorcerer How do you know that for sure though

But don't you know that video game companies will use this extra money to make their employees working conditions better? Which they couldn't do back when games cost measely $60! <br>I'm so excited, I am going to tell my wallet inspector about this the next I see him, I'm sure he will be happy too!

But don't you know that video game companies will use this extra money to make their employees working conditions better? Which they couldn't do back when games cost measely $60!
I'm so excited, I am going to tell my wallet inspector about this the next I see him, I'm sure he will be happy too!

60$ is gonna be the new on sale game. I don’t buy dlc for games like at all tbh .

60$ is gonna be the new on sale game. I don’t buy dlc for games like at all tbh .

$70?!?!?! Once you add in all the little microtransactions and shit it's around $200 for a lackluster experience that you will get bored within a few hours. Remember when you just bought the game and that was it? No loot boxes, no paying to win, no season passes, no 10gb updates that serve no purpose other than to fuck your wifi for 10 minutes. Just a fun worthwhile experience.

as a rule, I never pay over $30 for a video game.

as a rule, I never pay over $30 for a video game.

40-35 bucs new. from the amount of customers.

40-35 bucs new. from the amount of customers.

I've NEVER bought a game if not on sale over 50% on steam. Literally NEVER.

I've NEVER bought a game if not on sale over 50% on steam. Literally NEVER.

@Firestorm42 As a developer: games cost literally nothing to make. they should be priced at enough to pay the employees and make a small profit; nothing more.

@Firestorm42 As a developer: games cost literally nothing to make. they should be priced at enough to pay the employees and make a small profit; nothing more.

I keep forgetting games are going to start being 70 dollars (plus tax). I will never pay that much for a video game until the day I die. Inflation is a stupid excuse. Most things cost the same now, as when games were 50$. So either I'm getting future games used, on sale, or just not buying them. Luckily, this is only for consoles. PC won't be doing this anyway, so maybe ill become a PC Gamer eventually. Dev costs be damned, make a cheaper to make video game if you must. I'm not paying it.

Didn't pay full price before, won't after, long live patience and sales

Didn't pay full price before, won't after, long live patience and sales

@bombchomsky you're comparing apples to oranges. Just because it's all fruit doesn't mean it's all the same.

@bombchomsky you're comparing apples to oranges. Just because it's all fruit doesn't mean it's all the same.

@C H sure, if games lasted less than hour
i mean, that's about the comparable use value vs cost at market you'd get out of ANY other kind of entertainment media
$20 for less than an hour BY YOURSELF is normal for like movies. heck even bowling is like $45 an hour

@C H sure, if games lasted less than hour
i mean, that's about the comparable use value vs cost at market you'd get out of ANY other kind of entertainment media
$20 for less than an hour BY YOURSELF is normal for like movies. heck even bowling is like $45 an hour

@Magic Warrior it was never highest<br>harvest moon 64 and Lunar 3 both cost me more than 50 on release

@Magic Warrior it was never highest
harvest moon 64 and Lunar 3 both cost me more than 50 on release

I hope the comment section never goes away because of stuff like this. I just finished an EmpLemon video and kenny lauterdale is validating my stance on not paying 70 clams for a game I love this.

I hope the comment section never goes away because of stuff like this. I just finished an EmpLemon video and kenny lauterdale is validating my stance on not paying 70 clams for a game I love this.

@Magic Warrior I mean, that $50 to $60 happened long before microtransactions and after inflation made 2000s $60 worth less than 80s $50

@Magic Warrior I mean, that $50 to $60 happened long before microtransactions and after inflation made 2000s $60 worth less than 80s $50

well, how much have you spent on those VHS tapes of yours buddy? :^)

well, how much have you spent on those VHS tapes of yours buddy? :^)

Yes you are. You know you’re going to give in.

Yes you are. You know you’re going to give in.

@Peruserprecurer not the new switches if you got a new switch you are screwed

@Peruserprecurer not the new switches if you got a new switch you are screwed

Due to inflation, 60 dollars (when it become the norm for video games) is about 80 usd in today's money.

Due to inflation, 60 dollars (when it become the norm for video games) is about 80 usd in today's money.

i remember when games went from 50 to 60 dollars, people said they wouldn't pay that. they did. and they will. it wont matter.

i remember when games went from 50 to 60 dollars, people said they wouldn't pay that. they did. and they will. it wont matter.

@Firestorm42 games are expensive but does the exact same game made annually(games like madden or fifa) really have to cost 60 woppers on top of all of the bullshit microtransactions

@Firestorm42 games are expensive but does the exact same game made annually(games like madden or fifa) really have to cost 60 woppers on top of all of the bullshit microtransactions

you already been paying more than that for years now, why are you stopping now?  $60 + tax is already like $65, and pretty much every game these days has at least a $5-$10 DLC pack. xbox live/PS plus too.

you already been paying more than that for years now, why are you stopping now?  $60 + tax is already like $65, and pretty much every game these days has at least a $5-$10 DLC pack. xbox live/PS plus too.

@TheDoomslayer 121 This is a terrible excuse, considering they are more than capable of recouping costs and making a profit with a $60 price tag AND wages haven't kept up with inflation either.

@TheDoomslayer 121 This is a terrible excuse, considering they are more than capable of recouping costs and making a profit with a $60 price tag AND wages haven't kept up with inflation either.

TheDoomslayer 121
Funny you should say that, the production costs of games GREATLY diminished, actually.
not only that, the userbase are AT LEAST 20 times higher than it used to be.
They’re not desperate to make profits, they just want more money.
By production, I mean the distribution part. Most sales now are digital, which cuts out the main loss of revenue. Also keep in mind cartiridges were expensive as hell compared to CDs.
So, not only is physical distribution WAYYYYYY cheaper, digital completely cuts the shit and gives the money directly, all the while the userbase since the 90's has at the minimum raised 20 times as much.

They don’t need to pay for shit, the market's demand and userbase basically covers for the shit, they’re just greedy.

@Real Human bean lmao "voting with my wallet". Companys aren't gonna care, they will move on with the next customer

@Real Human bean lmao "voting with my wallet". Companys aren't gonna care, they will move on with the next customer

@Real Human bean well yeah because arguably indie games don't cost as much as a AAA game.

@Real Human bean well yeah because arguably indie games don't cost as much as a AAA game.

@daw pler except we have had the same price for games for the last 30 years and inflation was never accounted for, if anything we should pay $120 to account for inflation. Now that doesn't mean all games should be like this but the only reason lootboxes and battle passes exist because we wanted to pay for something that was full price 30 years ago.

After Fallout 4, I haven't pre-ordered anything ever again.

I haven't spent full price on anything in years.

After Fallout 4, I haven't pre-ordered anything ever again.

I haven't spent full price on anything in years.

Thats why i play rocket league because it is now free with thousands of hours of entertainment

Thats why i play rocket league because it is now free with thousands of hours of entertainment

Honestly I'd buy more modern games if my broke ass could afford to spend $60 on games several times a year. I usually end up buying retro games instead and that's how gamers get rose tinted glasses.

Honestly I'd buy more modern games if my broke ass could afford to spend $60 on games several times a year. I usually end up buying retro games instead and that's how gamers get rose tinted glasses.

@Firestorm42 What? They are doing the complete polar opposite.

@Firestorm42 What? They are doing the complete polar opposite.

Then I guess you aren’t playing games anymore lol

Then I guess you aren’t playing games anymore lol

Ever heard of inflation lmao?

Also 60 isnt even a steep price for a product with so much work put into it. This isnt a 2 hour movie, its (hopefully) a full 60+ hours of an interactive and immersive experience

Ever heard of inflation lmao?

Also 60 isnt even a steep price for a product with so much work put into it. This isnt a 2 hour movie, its (hopefully) a full 60+ hours of an interactive and immersive experience

What if it ever gerat game in the world?

What if it ever gerat game in the world?

@Blaze of Glory yo ho matey! A PIRATES LIFE FOR ME!

@Blaze of Glory yo ho matey! A PIRATES LIFE FOR ME!

Nah if a game gives me 100+ hours of entertainment I don't see the problem honestly. That's about what I paid for Sekiro and never regretted it. Then again I don't play video games that often.

Nah if a game gives me 100+ hours of entertainment I don't see the problem honestly. That's about what I paid for Sekiro and never regretted it. Then again I don't play video games that often.

@Firestorm42 or or small concept they could make games fun and make money from total sales instead of putting insane prices. That and potentially subscriptions could be a major shift it might be a rough transition but I could see multiple studios making the Netflix of games at some point or another. Other economic models exist they don't NEED to act scummy or raise the price to 60+

It’s about the quality of the game, not the price. Which would you be more likely to spend $70 on, a new madden game or the Demon’s Soups Remake?

It’s about the quality of the game, not the price. Which would you be more likely to spend $70 on, a new madden game or the Demon’s Soups Remake?

The cost of development has skyrocketed, and games today are less expensive when inflation is accounted for than games back in the 80s and 90s. Ben Heck Hacks had a really good video on this recently.

The cost of development has skyrocketed, and games today are less expensive when inflation is accounted for than games back in the 80s and 90s. Ben Heck Hacks had a really good video on this recently.

I almost exclusively buy games on sale (or just cheap games) I think. The only game recently I didnt was DS3.

I almost exclusively buy games on sale (or just cheap games) I think. The only game recently I didnt was DS3.

Exactly which is why I only buy my games on SSS (steam summer sale), you can get like 6 indie games for less than 30 bucks in a bundle 2 double A games for roughly 20 bucks and 1 2 or 3 year old triple A game for like another 20 or 15 bucks so pretty good for those 70 bucks and you can play those games for a hell of a long time till you get bored of them.

@Firestorm42 -- you're very naive if you believe a $70 price tag means there won't be any microtransactions. They aren't doing it because they "need to", they do it to milk as much money as possible from consumers.

Also what asshole guiltrips somebody for refusing to buy something they feel is too expensive? Srsly wtf.

@Firestorm42 given that AAA hasn't marketed their games to me and keep dumbing them down streamlining them to appeal to wider audiences over the past 20 years I not only won't pay the $70 I won't pay for any of their shitty dlc either. I won't pay the $20 when they're old and go on sale. I might get it if its free but is it really worth the time for a game I will feel is half complete even after being out for years?

I don't want their shitty games. If they all went bankrupt I'd not shed a tear.

I might pay $20 dollars for the indie game with shitty graphics that someone like me spent ten years of their life fucking around with in their spare time. If I really like it I might buy some frivolous DLC to be a bro.

@Firestorm42 given that AAA hasn't marketed their games to me and keep -dumbing- -them- -down- streamlining them to appeal to wider audiences over the past 20 years I not only won't pay the $70 I won't pay for any of their shitty dlc either. I won't pay the $20 when they're old and go on sale. I might get it if its free but is it really worth the time for a game I will feel is half complete even after being out for years?

I don't want their shitty games. If they all went bankrupt I'd not shed a tear.

I might pay $20 dollars for the indie game with shitty graphics that someone like me spent ten years of their life fucking around with in their spare time. If I really like it I might buy some frivolous DLC to be a bro.

@Real Human bean globalism is a curse on this globe

@Real Human bean globalism is a curse on this globe

What are you doing here Kenny, go back to watching obscure old anime.

What are you doing here Kenny, go back to watching obscure old anime.

@Firestorm42  mr fireassed man. I don't care which way you cut it; $70 for a singular title is way too much.

@Firestorm42  mr fireassed man. I don't care which way you cut it; $70 for a singular title is way too much.

@Firestorm42 > Implying that won't happen anyway

@Firestorm42 > Implying that won't happen anyway

Then you won't be playing it, . . . . tf 😂🤡

Then you won't be playing it, . . . . tf 😂🤡

@kenny lauderdale, especially when it is half finished, has lots of loot crates/boxes, micro transactions, and tons of useless downloadable content...just give us a complete game with minimal updates, downloadable content, and make the game right the first time.  LEGO seems to understand this approach mostly well.

Magic Warrior 60 dollor games are normal in Australia sadly٫at least some gamed can be ok after a while on the self or if it was preowned.

Magic Warrior 60 dollor games are normal in Australia sadly٫at least some gamed can be ok after a while on the self or if it was preowned.

@Nanonymous Interesting, might check it out sometime later.

@Nanonymous Interesting, might check it out sometime later.

@Tiger Festivals Games used to be more expensive in the past though.....

@Tiger Festivals Games used to be more expensive in the past though.....

I bought The Long Dark for 2$ on Steam 3 years ago. Still receiving new episodes and major updates for free.

I bought The Long Dark for 2$ on Steam 3 years ago. Still receiving new episodes and major updates for free.

@John Nirtamo If that's your opinion your morals allow.

@John Nirtamo If that's your opinion your morals allow.

@I Don't Like Birds It's still too much to pay $75 for a trash game though.

@I Don't Like Birds It's still too much to pay $75 for a trash game though.

@ً IT's fucking cringe and i can't stress this enough

@ً IT's fucking cringe and i can't stress this enough

I'm definitely not either the quality isn't even close to that price

I'm definitely not either the quality isn't even close to that price

Wait there are people who still pay for videogames?

Wait there are people who still pay for videogames?

I’d agree with you, but tbh, $70 for a video game that you’d be playing for a while isn’t so bad. Especially considering how expensive so many things are these days. Simple consumables that you’ll be done with in no time. While a video game can last you a while. Assuming you actually enjoy the game. So, don’t buy a game you’re gonna just throw away immediately.

Me a paradox player spending 200$+ each game.

Me a paradox player spending 200$+ each game.

The day they make games 70 or 80 is when I stop buying them for me as well, I’ll still be playing... just not buying

The day they make games 70 or 80 is when I stop buying them for me as well, I’ll still be playing... just not buying

@Void Guy Glad someone else said it. And again it's worth pointing out that this price point (almost $100 for a single game) is without adjusting for inflation. Sure, some carts were only $50, but some were  nearly $100 before tax.

@Void Guy Glad someone else said it. And again it's worth pointing out that this price point (almost $100 for a single game) is without adjusting for inflation. Sure, some carts were only $50, but some were  nearly $100 before tax.

I'd rather pay 70 dollars on a game than having the developers beg for money through microtransactions, lootboxes and gacha.

I'd rather pay 70 dollars on a game than having the developers beg for money through microtransactions, lootboxes and gacha.

Video games were routinely $70+ MSRP on launch back in the day of cartridges. Games like FFIII were around $90 when first released, and that is not me attempting to adjust for inflation. Go look at any catalogs from back in the day and you'll see that video game prices have actually plummeted since the switch to optical media from cartridges.

This is a really, really bad take and I have no idea how anyone can hold this opinion when video games are actually at one of their lowest price points historically.

@Firestorm42 Doesn't change what your argument entails. Companies need to regulate their cost of production, graphics and realism have never added anything beneficial to games beyond surface believability. If they got their budgets under control they wouldn't "need" the boatloads of DLC and microtransactions. A game with a 5 year development cycle SHOULD only cost about $200M, and that's WITH all the costs of a brand new studio and not 1 but 2 hardware upgrade cycles mid development cycles with HP's most expensive Z880 configuration (twin xeon platinums, twin Titan RTXs and 1tb of RAM) and a 200 man team each receiving a senior developer's salary. I ran the numbers for it myself.

@Kira Slith yeah except for the fact that I haven't bought a Call of Duty in almost 10 years so it stands to reason that I won't buy Call of Duty 168

@Kira Slith yeah except for the fact that I haven't bought a Call of Duty in almost 10 years so it stands to reason that I won't buy Call of Duty 168

@Firestorm42 How about game developers adjust their development and marketing strategies instead to match their market cap? No? You want Call of Duty 168 to have realistic butt sweat physics instead? Then no, YOU are the reason companies continue such rampant anti-consumer practices.

In Australia we have to pay 80 to 100 dollars for games

In Australia we have to pay 80 to 100 dollars for games

@Firestorm42
Yeah, that "games are too expensive" to make argument... It never made any sense.
Do you know how much a game copy costs? Nothing, they are digital, they cost nothing. Even if I pay 50 cents for the game the company still made a profit from my purchase. (And while non digital copies cost more than nothing, it's not by much)

Obviously, it costs a lot of money to make games, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the price of a single unit. Yeah, the company needs to break even with the developing cost, but that by no means mean increasing the price of a single unit. Hell, in other industries, where the cost of a single unit is higher than nothing (because it's not digital), companies often actually spend a lot of money on the development to decrees the price of a single unit.

Regardless of how much it cost to make the game, the company is going to want to make the most money from sales. That means giving the game the highest price consumers are willing to pay. In other words, if game 1 sold a million copies at 30$ and game 2 sold only 700,000 copies - but at 60$, game 2 made more money.  On the other hand if game 1 sold a million copies at 60$  and game 2 sold 500,000 copies at 80$, game 1 made more money this time.

Obviously, it's a bit more complicated than what I described here, but the point is - raising the price of a game (or any product for that matter) is by no means a magic way for the compony to make more money. If it was, they would have already done it. And it's by no means a replacement for microtransactions.

Here in Canada the games are 90$ for next gen games

Here in Canada the games are 90$ for next gen games

@Firestorm42 and typically much smaller development teams.

@Firestorm42 and typically much smaller development teams.

TO THE HIGH SEAS! GET ME AN EYEPATCH AND WOODEN PEG LEG!

TO THE HIGH SEAS! GET ME AN EYEPATCH AND WOODEN PEG LEG!

@Marcus Borderlands Yeah, cause i should pay 80 for the same price that people pay for a physical copy? lame.

@Marcus Borderlands Yeah, cause i should pay 80 for the same price that people pay for a physical copy? lame.

@Firestorm42 games can't cost that much to make if companies can afford to make them every single fucking year like Madden and CoD

@Firestorm42 games can't cost that much to make if companies can afford to make them every single fucking year like Madden and CoD

@Firestorm42 <br>Games have been perfectly fine just being $50 in the past, why is it that just now that people are really desperate to scam people out of money

@Firestorm42
Games have been perfectly fine just being $50 in the past, why is it that just now that people are really desperate to scam people out of money

@Freaking Bigot! Well yeah, thats canadian money, its gonna go up even more. Games are going from 60 USD to 70. bot a huge deal, but some people are throwin a fit about it. Also, since you are in canada, try piracy, yall got it easy up there with lax laws on that. i gotta watch my back here in the US lol.

Literally. GTA 6 is the one game that comes to mind that i would pay more than 60 for up front

Literally. GTA 6 is the one game that comes to mind that i would pay more than 60 for up front

@Novus Nihilum I'd say buying a $70 game is a red flag that you're not managing your money.

@Novus Nihilum I'd say buying a $70 game is a red flag that you're not managing your money.

99% of games will go on sale at one point or another anyway.<br>Haggling is, at the end of the day, the natural state. If you want me to buy a game you gotta sell it to me, and $70 is not it.

99% of games will go on sale at one point or another anyway.
Haggling is, at the end of the day, the natural state. If you want me to buy a game you gotta sell it to me, and $70 is not it.

a few of those and that'll be another gaming pc down the drain.

a few of those and that'll be another gaming pc down the drain.

@Magic Warrior a dollar in 1980 is worth 3.15 dollars today. So the game you paid 50 for back then would cost 157 dollars today.

@Magic Warrior a dollar in 1980 is worth 3.15 dollars today. So the game you paid 50 for back then would cost 157 dollars today.

@Firestorm42 if you think they won't double-dip on top of jacking up the price for the unfinished base game, I don't know why you think you can tell other people why they're negatively impacting gaming.

@Firestorm42 if you think they won't double-dip on top of jacking up the price for the unfinished base game, I don't know why you think you can tell other people why they're negatively impacting gaming.

Yeah I’m short on time and money(thanks college), so I have to send my time for video games.

Yeah I’m short on time and money(thanks college), so I have to send my time for video games.

@daw pler the reason they're "doing this" in the first place is because we wouldn't pay $70...years ago.

@daw pler the reason they're "doing this" in the first place is because we wouldn't pay $70...years ago.

@Marcus Borderlands i live in canada and everything costs 70 or 80.

@Marcus Borderlands i live in canada and everything costs 70 or 80.

@Firestorm42 Lol. Game companies are making more then ever because of micro transactions. Pirating doesnt effect the bottom line.

@Firestorm42 Lol. Game companies are making more then ever because of micro transactions. Pirating doesnt effect the bottom line.

Don't forget the $60 season pass or the 16 $40 individual DLC's that add 4 extra minutes of content

Don't forget the $60 season pass or the 16 $40 individual DLC's that add 4 extra minutes of content

@Marcus Borderlands I have also heard of pirating.

@Marcus Borderlands I have also heard of pirating.

@Shaman Xeed Us actual REAL gamerz, am I right?!?!

@Shaman Xeed Us actual REAL gamerz, am I right?!?!

Bro back in the 90s, there were games that were like 100 bucks. 70 dollars suck but it's better than that.

Bro back in the 90s, there were games that were like 100 bucks. 70 dollars suck but it's better than that.

@Davit David I thoroughly suggest Unturned.

@Davit David I thoroughly suggest Unturned.

If you can't manage your money that's probably for the best.

If you can't manage your money that's probably for the best.

Me neither, playing as a third worlder is pain. I rather go back to piracy.

Me neither, playing as a third worlder is pain. I rather go back to piracy.

PC will save you, so many good games for under $20

PC will save you, so many good games for under $20

I can't even imagine this price here in brazil

I can't even imagine this price here in brazil

@Spongiroth EnaPants - EnaTenkiyoGaming  The Secret Ingredient Is Crime.

@Spongiroth EnaPants - EnaTenkiyoGaming  The Secret Ingredient Is Crime.

@AntiCohle
Good thing I don’t buy any of them, so at least I’m actually voting with my wallet. Too bad it really doesn’t matter because there’s a 1000 guys that eat it up constantly for every guy that doesn’t.
Globalism was a mistake.

@AntiCohle
Good thing I don’t buy any of them, so at least I’m actually voting with my wallet. Too bad it really doesn’t matter because there’s a 1000 guys that eat it up constantly for every guy that doesn’t.
Globalism was a mistake.

This is why I stick with indie games since a lot of the time even with the $70 for a video game, it's still has DLC and loot boxes with them.

This is why I stick with indie games since a lot of the time even with the $70 for a video game, it's still has DLC and loot boxes with them.

@AntiCohle
That’s a pretty big strawman, I doubt anyone is actually fucking arguing for this.
Also 70$ are still keeping full on microtransactions, this shit isn’t happening on long solo games where that monetization is impossible to do without ruining the experience.

@Firestorm42 do you have any idea how much the market broadened since, how many more households are potential customers, how much online distribution or asset reuse has game companies earning more than ever before?

@Firestorm42 do you have any idea how much the market broadened since, how many more households are potential customers, how much online distribution or asset reuse has game companies earning more than ever before?

For those aruining for the price increase why? We live in an age where distribution costs are significantly lower after the AAA game price went from 50 $ to 60$. Do you think that the devs will be paid more? Sad truth is that it is going back to higher execs.

For those aruining for the price increase why? We live in an age where distribution costs are significantly lower after the AAA game price went from 50 $ to 60$. Do you think that the devs will be paid more? Sad truth is that it is going back to higher execs.

Firestorm42 <br>Because they will totally get rid of microtransactions because they bumped the price of the game by $10

Firestorm42
Because they will totally get rid of microtransactions because they bumped the price of the game by $10

@daw pler lol he paid so much that he can't even afford to pay attention.

@daw pler lol he paid so much that he can't even afford to pay attention.

@Magic Warrior $50 in 2000 is about $75 today. The reason prices are going up is not because companies are just greedy and want more money, it's because money is worth less, games cost more to make, and the industry isn't expanding like it was in the past.

@Magic Warrior $50 in 2000 is about $75 today. The reason prices are going up is not because companies are just greedy and want more money, it's because money is worth less, games cost more to make, and the industry isn't expanding like it was in the past.

The only time I've payed 60 dollars foe a game is when I've gotten a game with all its DLC content included

The only time I've payed 60 dollars foe a game is when I've gotten a game with all its DLC content included

Okay? And? There are plenty of people who will, buddy.

Okay? And? There are plenty of people who will, buddy.

@Firestorm42
I wasn’t saying “DURR INDIES ARE CHEAP SO AAA SHOUDL BE CHEAP”
I’m saying indies are by far a better deal which (generally) don’t include scumbag tactics hidden about to be defended by corporate white knights with “YEAH BUT ACHTKLUALLY PRODUCTION COSTS”

@Firestorm42
I wasn’t saying “DURR INDIES ARE CHEAP SO AAA SHOUDL BE CHEAP”
I’m saying indies are by far a better deal which (generally) don’t include scumbag tactics hidden about to be defended by corporate white knights with “YEAH BUT ACHTKLUALLY PRODUCTION COSTS”

@Firestorm42 They definitely do NOT have to. They do it to get more money from you, not to recoup development costs. If they want monetary support for future expansions, then they would just charge for that like games have been doing since before the 2000s.

@Firestorm42 They definitely do NOT have to. They do it to get more money from you, not to recoup development costs. If they want monetary support for future expansions, then they would just charge for that like games have been doing since before the 2000s.

@Real Human bean and much smaller games and much lower production costs and shorter development times

@Real Human bean and much smaller games and much lower production costs and shorter development times

@Firestorm42
Bro you’re falling for the shitty excuses these big corporations give, the development cost and profit margin is easily solved. The problem is that the dudes in suit at the top just want even more money. He’s not contributing to their existence, if anything he’s fighting against it by voting with his wallet and not supporting these business practices at all.

Most indie games have no microtransactions and a smaller price for much more original gameplay anywyas

Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate! Yarr har fiddle dee dee, being a pirate is alright to be!

Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate! Yarr har fiddle dee dee, being a pirate is alright to be!

I don't know if piracy is the answer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't know if piracy is the answer. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@C H Do you have any idea how much the average game costs to make

@C H Do you have any idea how much the average game costs to make

In a perfect world, "Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game" would be the ideal cutoff point

In a perfect world, "Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game" would be the ideal cutoff point

@daw pler yeah they would but they wouldnt have to as it is they have to

@daw pler yeah they would but they wouldnt have to as it is they have to

@Firestorm42 You think they wouldn't continue if we paid $70? Are you paying attention?

@Firestorm42 You think they wouldn't continue if we paid $70? Are you paying attention?

@Marcus Borderlands Or Switch/PS4 since they've been jailbroken, assuming your morals allow

@Marcus Borderlands Or Switch/PS4 since they've been jailbroken, assuming your morals allow

I am tryong to survive in the f2p economy. It may be harder to find the good stuff,but with the amount of stuff, tou will stumble across something you like.

I am tryong to survive in the f2p economy. It may be harder to find the good stuff,but with the amount of stuff, tou will stumble across something you like.

ya heard of pc? you can get most games for $00.00 if ya really want to lmfao. <br>Also GOG aint raisin prices to 70

ya heard of pc? you can get most games for $00.00 if ya really want to lmfao.
Also GOG aint raisin prices to 70

I still can barely stand paying roughly 60 buckaroos.

I remember when $49.99 was the highest and then one day that changed.

I still can barely stand paying roughly 60 buckaroos.

I remember when $49.99 was the highest and then one day that changed.


This is why I have felt for a long time that the "true" good games (and masterpieces) will be found in Indie games. By gamers, for gamers. They will be made of passion and peak creativity, not for money.


I can definitely vouche for the "fatigue and oversaturation" point. While not specifically themed around video game content, one reason I love metroid dread is because of the fact that it's a new game in a franchise that hasn't had a new entry since 2002. I rarely get excited for a new Mario game only because there's already 3 of those games that released in this year alone.


I've gotten older and don't have time anymore for bad games. I can't waste time on shallow triple-A hogwash. So whenever a new game comes out I wait to see if people think it's actually good or not. I've never been in a better position with video games - now I'm consistently finding immersive and thought-provoking experiences when I play them, and I'm appreciating video games as an art form. Good games are still coming out all the time! They just don't get as much attention as the big-budget failures.

And Smash. The online sucks but I love the game and the community feel you get when going to locals.


Although I do agree that fandoms can ruin games (fortnight, halo, call of duty, etc) it can make others. Many of my favorite games I wouldn't have played for nearly as long if a dedicated fan base hadn't alerted me to the incredible depth of the game. A great example is a company called Paradox, where members of the community often share strategies with me that I had considered weak or had never even considered as possible. Other communities relating to rogue-like games have a similar effect. This isn't very common and can eventually lead to what I call a "Stagnant Community", which is a problem where a community becomes extremist, elitist, or perverted because of its uglier members. Good examples of this are Enter the Gungeon and anything related to SCP. Another reference to a fandom gone bad (or good) is cult classic groups, which tends to be either elitist, or friendly.


Downward Spirals are like waterslides.

If a cartridge touches water it breaks instantly.


Always hurts to see a clip of Team Fabulous 2, but man do I miss Kitty


See, I'd prefer the 2010's and 2020's but not because of their iteration of flagship AAA series. I enjoy the smaller passion project games or the niche genre game that can finally achieve their potential with current gen technology. In the case of star wars battlefront, I adored the first two released on the ps2 as a kid, I barely even touched the 4th gen sequels.


This man speaks so much facts was so hyped for the new left for dead but it doesn't even have local multi-player or splutscreen. Games now are just not the same nothing beats good old fallout new vagas


They do.
AAA companies work on remakes and microtransactions to keep a fluent source of income, sacrificing gameplay and history in the name of constant profit.
Their belief on their names and former glories as enough argument to release unfinished or awful games and expect nothing but good reviews made them lazy.

Indie developers exploits nostalgia like some gold rush to cover a lack of effort in development and have their games ready for sale like they used to include "real life mysteries" to sell shitty games, no evolution.
Those who put some effort in their games are attacked from AAA zealots, "journalists" and supporters demanding their product soon, just to call it a mess and earn personal profit from criticizing them on youtube rants and reddit posts.


For those who are cynical, I think that games are really going to change in the 2020’s, once developers realize that graphical fidelity isn’t going to attract people anymore, they are most likely going to enhance all of the things needed for games to improve

That's a very positive thinking, hope that's the case.

@Nobody In particular  It's called optimism. Nothing wrong with that.

Besides, these are only Triple A games that are going downhill.<br>(Mostly)

Besides, these are only Triple A games that are going downhill.
(Mostly)

It will get better, because people are sick of this stuff. We should make our own games. It’s better than doing nothing. Show these companies that WE are in charge.

Doubt it, everything else has become drastically shittier over the past 2 months so why even expect anything else to get better.

Haha not until they stop taking that Tencent Bloody money.

Don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. These companies would sooner shit out another Destiny/Anthem with only 3 hours of campaign and the rest of the game is paying micro transactions to unlock items in game

@Flood Thank you for pointing this out. The more and more we push raytracing and get rtx cards cheaper for the average consumers, it will help game developers much more with shadows, lighting, textures, pretty much anything. It allows much more time to be spent on features or story. Either that, or they just are able to churn crap out more...

I feel like developers will need to be more creative in art design and gameplay, since basically every game from now will look relatively good

The best received games these days are those with simple visuals but with passion in everywhere else. Hopefully the deveelopers will notice this

Things like ray tracing too are going to make graphics an easier thing all around so devs can spend more time on the game.

I hope but it's a bit too optimistic. It's not until multimillion companies commit a horrible blunder that MAYBE they start changing stuff

I hope you are right, but I hope it also coincides with an increase in humbleness because honestly way too many developers are getting supremely arrogant (just look at how some of them tweets...actually don't, you will actually enjoy their games more not seeing their fairly stupid and sometimes dismissive takes).


What happened to videogames is the same that happened to movies in the decades prior. They went mainstream and became only a product in a massive industry. Industries don't want to take risks. They know that with good marketing, they will recuperate their investment effortlessly. What happened to vidya? Capitalism.


While I don't agree with video games as a whole being on a downward spiral, I'm of the firm believe that AAA-gaming is on a huge decline. The best games nowadays are on the indie scene.


"Total immersion in a virtual world" Just play VR


This is exactly the battlefront franchise, battlefront 2 (old) has minimum of 50 hours of content, a great story, and great other modes (conquest, galactic assault, etc) and it was four bucks on steam. The new one just isn’t nearly as fun or playable and even if you do other players have ceaselessly optimized their strats to make it unplayable and you just get smacked in any online.


Indies are making better games than most of the “AAA” folks nowadays and doing it much more ethically in most cases as well. Gotta love how near monopolistic ownership of IP and corporate acquisitions and terrible working conditions for developers have continued to harm the gaming industry and landscape. As far as games criticism goes, I find it important to like whatever you like, but also to be aware of its faults as a general art piece and to be open to different constructive opinions about media in general that you consume. There are a decent amount of games I enjoy subjectively, but that I find many call objectively bad.

@TyGuy9001 While the other guy could have argued better, I understand his sentiment. One look at itch.io will tell you that while there are more good popular indie games than good AAA games, there are a lot of garbage indie games. Also, imo it's NOT important to recognize the faults of a game, as long as you feel true enjoyment (true meaning not getting frustrated day in and day out because you're addicted to trying to climb ranked). In an ideal world, discussion serves to further civilization and/or an individual but since we live in the real world, discussions lose their purpose (unless of course you know people who discuss ideally).

z NightOwl z There is also a much larger pool to draw from when it comes to Indie games, and whilst a decent amount of them aren’t great or even worth trying, I have consistently found good indie games of many different niches on the major online gaming marketplaces. I don’t see many modern developers making trivia games or tower defense games or run and guns, but indie developers like Ninja Kiwi, Jackbox games and Studio MDHR are all trying to fill those niches with great titles and are successful. Not even to mention the many other successes in Indie games over the past decade like Shovel Knight, A Hat in Time, Undertale, and evening one of the best selling games ever, Minecraft. If you look at the overall picture from the last 10 or so years, I wouldn’t be surprised if more Indie games are on most people’s favorites lists than new Ubisoft, EA, Activision etc. games. Not to mention, that they most often aren’t ridiculously predatory with micro transactions or season passes. I mean, I’ll admit that I quite enjoy some of the newer titles that Sony and Nintendo have made in recent years, but my most played games on Switch both have season passes, which I dislike. I would honestly say that there are more indie devs that I like playing games from than AAA developers now.

@TyGuy9001 there’s no excuses, stop tip toeing around the fact here. There are way more bad indies than good compared to how many bad triple A’s there are compared to good triple A’s.

I like what valve does with SINGLEPLAYER games

Ouma77 I would say that AAA games can certainly be good or even great these days, but one of the key differences is that the companies that make them have completely given up making certain experiences that Indie games often fill the niches for today. When most of the market follows similar AAA cinematic game trends, it’s nice to have games that harken back to, and most often improve gaming conventions and formulas from the past. It’s also in part some likely bias for how games were before, but I wouldn’t say that “nostalgic biases” are the main driving factor for indie successes. Many really good Indie games offer things that AAA developers haven’t ever really tried implementing as core game systems or mechanics which make them interesting to veterans of the gaming scene.

@Ouma77 and unlike triple A, most of the successes deserve success.

I don't understand why Indies are put on such a pedestal. The garbage/gold ratio for Indies are just as much, if not potentially even more, than AAA titles


I've said it before, melee is the peak of smash gameplay, every game since brawl just feels like the previous game with the speed in training move up to 1.25x


24:31 If every game is a masterpiece, then no game will be


The more technical games get, the more of a cash grab they become as they become really focused on making profits because they rely on the better graphics to make the game good and so they don’t really rely on a plot or players use of playing that game for a long time.. Save yourself some time people 😉


It kinda seems like the only games that have been on a downward spiral are licensed sports games with inherently rigid design. Every other kind of game has been fleshed out and expanded upon through other IPs. Most IPs that were huge in the 2000s are dead now, but there's lots more to take their place, even exceed them.
I guess people will whine that their favorite game series or dev teams aren't going forward forever into the future, but that's been the case for most media since ever, really. Those quality franchises that do last for decades are truly outliers, and usually because they transform immensely in the span of their existence.
And capitalizing on addiction has always been around. See arcades. It's not right but it's not new.


Now I've watched the whole video, here's one thing I feel you missed:

Some games play out almost like a Greek tragedy. Take for example, Player Unknown's Battle Grounds (PUBG). Started out as a mod for another game, turned into this hugely successful game, basically kickstarted the Battle Royale fad. It became so big that it seemed like it couldn't fail. But there were problems with it. Those problems kept growing and becoming more noticeable. The company behind ignored these issues. Why fix anything? Why listen to their community? PUBG was far too big to fail! This became their hubris.

All of a sudden this new game called Fortnite came along and did what they were doing...but better. And they listened to their fans. They generally tried to fix the issues. So PUBG began bleeding players like crazy while Fortnite skyrocketed. Nowadays PUBG has only a small fraction of what they had at their prime. Fortnite still has a very large playerbase even though its not super popular anymore.

So moral of the story: don't be like PUBG.

@ethand well if another competitor comes up and gobbles up their playerbase then that would be hilarious

and now as of 2019 and onwards fortnite has been done with innovating and listening to their community so the game is dieing

@I Am I don't play it, but I believe that. I'm just saying that PUBG had almost a monopoly and then they lost it to Fortnite because they didn't bother trying to improve their game.

Bit fortnite also has lag issues and just that the game doesnt really have that much uniqueness

@dedly kuin PUBG for PC used to average 2 million players at any given time. Now they can barely break 300,000 peak players. And yes I know about the mobile version and yeah it's profitable but they had it so much better with the most played PC game in the world (at the time) and they shot themselves in the foot. Now all they have is micro-transcations & Bitcoin mining on shady mobile apps. Very sad!

PUBG haven't died yet. they all move to mobile, and become even profitable for the company

@Not a doctor probably. Definitely a lot of hubris involved.

It more like the titanic than a greek tragedy. TLDR, its better to say shitstorm

So just like EA, except they are legally protected from having a competition.


Oversaturation is a problem. Too many "its been done before" too.
In fact I still have MANY games on my Xbox360 that are in backlog waiting to be played, and I have had the xbox one and I own a series x.

Even with all that, I agree, the late 90's and the 2000's were the best time to be a gamer. My favorite games are all from those days, in fact I still play a ton o TF2 and CSGO.

Good thing we have indies to save us from the boredom of current mainstream games.

And I still play Project M, CTGP 7, AND NHL 07


All of this is only true if you pretend that only AAA games exist.

The only thing that changed in the 2010s was that now indie studios have access to enough resources to make the best games of all time, and they're doing that.

And in the meantime, AAA crashed and burned in a way that's going to take years to recover from.

It still contributes to the fatigue and oversaturated problems. Just wanted to point out.


give valve this even tho they are an incompetent company theyre still a great company they make great games and aren't so stiff and even tho i call them incompetent despite not releasing games buggy well theyre incompetent in other ways and they aren't very scummy unlike other game companies


“The socio-economic themes of Shrek Swamp Kart” gets me every time.


Triple A is.

However there are still high quality games from indie and other companies that aren't as big. I think just saying GAMES are in a downward spiral is misleading since there is genuine good games that are our there but that aren't very well known so you sadly need to look know since they can't afford the marketing.

@Charles don't know what to tell you; they're extremely popular.

@blinded journeyman Pretty sure in the end emp pull another "it's not as bad everyone say" "there's also this and that"

@CGoody im just saying that indie games in general deserve more love than they get. And these games are great examples.

@CGoody celeste and ori maybe, but i never see anyone talking about ror or etg.

@Charles what are you talking about?  Those games are massively popular.  Talking as if they don't get the love they deserve is absurd.  They are wildly successful.

@SanT that he did I think almost everyone with a brain has excepted this fact and thats why so many have dropped the idea that this is the next games crash.

Aye there's a crapton of gud games in my backlog mostly indy. Theres also a ton of mods for open domain games that make the experience that much better! If only someone would mod custom robo for gamecube lol the fun to be had there

Emp actually said the same thing man, He didn't even make a statement that game are on the downward on the title...

such games as terraria, hollow knight, celeste, ect. have been stellar titles from the last few years (im only counting terraria 1.3 and onward here) and as long as those studios keep developing games i think we will be fine

@Mogim I like your enthusiasm, but it not going happen by pure gaming fans protest. More than likely, all the top dogs of AAA games will circlejerk themselves as long as possible until the government's start banning microtransactions. Then, we will hit the peak of the second renaissance of gaming.

And even then, there are still frequent AAA titles that excel. Not everyone is EA or Bethesda

@Frank Innovation and competition are not a problem, as many companies are still releasing competing games. Greedy corporations who want to pump out yearly games are the problem as, like any other art form video games take time to develop and create. They can't be rushed, also another thing that you seem to have missed is the games are art community only praising walking simulators and over all reviewers being bad at games causing lower review scores such as with Pathologic 2. What we need is not to ban microtransactions all together as they're a great source of revenue for the F2P market but instead to restrict misleading practices and, make cosmetics which despite not effecting performance in the game still make people feel bad not to have causing them to still hurt people. We need to add mandatory labeling and, a public awareness campaign so that people are spending their life savings on something like candy crush.

Nostalgia bias doesn't work on a boy with a god complex.

I was looking for this comment so I didn't post the same thing. I mean, minecraft for the most part has gotten better and I'm waiting for the caves and cliffs update more than I was waiting for the neather to come to mcpe

@SHAWKLAN 27 Don't worry, remember no matter what era it is there will be good games.

Go watch AVGN

James Rolfe exposed how most games are bad from back then once you take off the nostalgia goggles

Celeste, gungeon, risk of rain 2, ori. Indie games need more love

@Frank word i miss how out there triple a and even aa games used to be

Yeah I've poured hundreds of hours into indie games with graphics slightly better than a super nintendo's, yet any triple A games I've picked up bore me within a few hours once the awe of the pretty graphics wear off.

The video game industry lack the creativity of other era's, because of the grip of big companies shareholders and CEOs. The devs can not Express their ideas because the limitation of the top. Also, a lack of innovation and competition will make the companies lazy and sloppy. When they ban microtransactions, gaming will be at it's best ever

BlackAsCole Couldn't have said it better myself.

Like Jim sterling once pointed out a big problem in the gaming industry is the loss of b-rate games (it's now either triple-A or Indie) which once made up a big part of the market


The problem is: Back in the day all games were made by people with passion for people with passion. They were aimed at a very specific demographic. Nowdays games are made by everyone for... well, everyone. Casualisation is a product of popularisation. Nowdays, almost every young person is a "gamer" and the market is regulating itself to fit the preferences of an average consumer. Truth is, if you want innovative projects, go for indie games (or old games).


Best games / game series ever? ^^
For me there are (all before 2010):
Worms, GTA, Sim City, Knights and Merchants, Homeworld, Age of Empires, Carmageddon, FIFA, DSJ Ski Jump, Revolt, and few more..
Forever in my 💓 xD


I really feel like game technology hasn't gone anywhere in a decade. I mean we have new graphical effects, but the actual physics/simulation/underlying gameplay mechanics really don't feel like they've budged even in the most triple a titles since the end of the 7th gen. Games like GTA V still feel modern to play, at least compared to the tech gap between, say, 2003 and 2013. That's not a testament to them being ahead of their time as much as it is a testament to ongoing stagnation. Not to mention every game looks the same (and pretty visually boring overall) because 'graphical fidelity' is being given more value than actual art direction. At this point it feels to me like the march of technology has become a hollow facade serving just to move hardware and force obsolescense rather than facilitate innovation. And there won't be innovation as long as the current model stays profitable for all the big companies, which I don't see ending soon.

You're not wrong in some aspects. Programming for games is closer to code monkey business, especially compared to how much ingenuity programmers had to show back then. The real players nowadays are artists making the assets, since that can be scaled up to however big the game wants to get content-wise.


The part about heightened expectations was spot on about Cyberpunk 2077, and this video released 2 months before the game...


Cyberpunk 2077 has made this video even more relevant.

Cyberpunk 2077 has made this video even more relevant.

@flamers shows /and more exactly. I see it as a decent game it's not perfect but people act like it's complete trash

Emp should have taken the image of hell when Squidward says he has no soul; the moment he mentions EA.

@Whaterman don’t forget breath of the wild

@Whaterman don’t forget breath of the wild

Well technically it was the fans fault for begging the game to be released earlier

@dus oh no, people are updating their games to be better. Siege was broken on launch and still was for a while. Games should release finished first, but being able to update using the internet is better than not at all.

I liked it a lot but that might heavily be influenced by it being an rpg that actually had good 1st person shooting mechanics(which just doesn’t happen for rpgs), and I rlly like FPS.

@Whaterman yeah but for every mario odyssey there is 20 hotel marios.

Don't care didn't buy it just played Hades

Don't care didn't buy it just played Hades

I have no fucking idea how everyone did not see this coming. SO much "dont preorder ANYTHING" just went straight out the window when people saw all the shiny marketing over the years. It was bound to happen. Completely inevitable. Anyone who fell for this completely deserved it because it has happened over and over and over again. People kept saying bu but this time it's different!!!!! I do not understand this mindset.

@Party Boi because it is almost criminal how low demand you have for a quality :D

@Gerny Perg That game is unfinished even for PC... Wanted system, visuals, crafting, economics, AI... Are you blind?

@dus it is a quarter of a year now from release and there is almost nothing done to finish it :D

@Epii That is correct, however, they blamed others for what they eventually did as well. Their marketing was centered around "We are the best, we are so customer friendly and we don't use those shady tactics..." blah blah blah...

Man it's a good game<br>How come new vegas gets a pass for having bugs but cyberpunk doesn't

Man it's a good game
How come new vegas gets a pass for having bugs but cyberpunk doesn't

It’s just a poorly optimized pc game. It’s perfect okay. It not bad. It’s not necessarily groundbreaking, but it didn’t deserve as much hate as it got. Gta v had similar performance issues on the ps3. Overall, games like cod infinite warfare and cyberpunk are decent or great games that don’t deserve the hate.

@Whaterman Many other really really good games. First assassin creeds also

@OSSB FaultedJoker9
Look at this rationally:
Does Witcher 3 have good combat? Does it have good RPG mechanics?
The answers are no and no. They're serviceable at best. That's not what made Witcher 3 good. People are just expecting entirely too much from them. Even classics like Deus Ex or New Vegas has shit for shooting mechanics and it's not what made them legendary games. I could also compare Witcher 3 to the original Mario 64 and Subnautica. When I really think about it, what made these games goods weren't the depth of the mechanics, but just an attention to detail and designed content that brings their world to life. Witcher 3 wasn't some amazing tech demo, it just had painfully handcrafted quests, some of which you could "fail" for not paying attention. (You could catch the wrong murderer, unleash a Pesta or fall for a slaver's lie about having reformed.)

@Theodoяe Kяap <br>Death Stranding doesn't really deserve the comparison. It's certainly not everybody's cup of tea, but I've never heard anybody accuse it of being rushed or unfair to the consumer. It's just another of Kojima's experiments and I'd rather more people take these artistic risks than not.

@Theodoяe Kяap
Death Stranding doesn't really deserve the comparison. It's certainly not everybody's cup of tea, but I've never heard anybody accuse it of being rushed or unfair to the consumer. It's just another of Kojima's experiments and I'd rather more people take these artistic risks than not.

And for the context CDproject red was under a deadline but delayed it and they got famous from the Witcher so I was gonna say that coding a shooter is going to be difficult for them

@Whaterman black ops 3 was good for me only cause I grew up on cod and I finally got my first console in 2013 and got black ops 3 with my first check so I have different memories and during that time bo2 was still somewhat a little active

I mean I get why people are complaining
Hell I'm outraged too

But at the same time they're literally attacking those who genuinely enjoy it

@sIyceth the game design maybe boring but the story, the characters, the NPCs and the map details are the best

They cashed in all the trust we had in them.
So what's the solution?
DON'T BUY GAMES BEFORE THEY'VE EVEN RELEASED!!!

@Patrick Moroney it wasn’t unfinished, the main reason people were complaining was because of how the game was performing on last gen consoles

@Whaterman don't forget Breath of the Wild.

@Whaterman don't forget Breath of the Wild.

@Theodoяe Kяap don't forget bioshock 2 if it was from a different franchise it would've been a good game but since it's the sequel to bioshock one of the greatest games of the 2000s so the expectations were high and 2k and irrational games couldn't meet the standards

Generally speaking any product that is overhyped is most likely lacking in quality. Mass Effect Andromeda, Death Stranding are also examples.

no mans sky accidently did they release unfinished then finish it after. cyberpunk and fallout 76 coppied them. the gaming industry is taking advantage of conumers and most people still buy the games beacause theyre too stupid to realize theyre being swindled

Idk, it’s the first game of the genre I’ve actually completed and enjoyed

@Matt Análises cyberpunk didn't deserve this and people waited even a bit more maybe it wouldn't be as bad as people say it is

It's funny how this game exemplifies many of Emp's points:
It was hyped up to the point that, even if it was a good solid game, it would be heavily criticized.
It was rushed by the studio to meet market demand and profit interest, resulting in an unfinished bug mess with half of the content it promised.
Many content creators are creating long videos shitting on the game, channels are thriving on making meme and comparision videos, people like me who honestly didn't care for the hype and didn't intend to play the game are entertained by these videos (they have an appeal similar do AVGN).

@Whaterman You're right about those ones, but I think Cyberpunk is the biggest example of one of Emp's points, in that it's a game that was hyped up years before finally being released as a buggy, unfinished mess that immediately drew the ire of its supporters.

Idk man <br>Super mario odysey, rdr2 and 1, gta 5, uncharted series are very good games from the 2010s era

Idk man
Super mario odysey, rdr2 and 1, gta 5, uncharted series are very good games from the 2010s era

@Epii I know, but it has been the most high-profile game to do it in recent memory.

CP2077 isn't exactly the first game to do this kind of bullshit


when you listing the 7th and 8th gen stuff people would missing out on for club penguin and wii sport i thought to myself unironically " thats sounds fair"


Feel like this is exactly what happened with the NBA and Panini in the sports card market. Exclusivity in licensing is a surefire way to kill anything.

Also, fuck EA. They held Porsche hostage for a decade and I’ll always hate them for it.


i guess the good thing about certain mediums being on downward spirals like games, movies, youtube is once you hit the bottom the only way you can go is up just like how once you hit the top the only way you can go is down


Yeah, local multiplayer was one of the best things about consoles. My uncle bought me PS3 in 2009 or so. I would only start it up to play with friends when they come by. And to play GTAV, Heavy Rain and MK9 story mode eventually.
But later I bought Dendy (famicom rip-off) and Sega MD Clone. We never touched my PS3 for the rest of the days I owned it. It's mindblowing that almost every other game on these two is a co-op or multiplayer game. And despite being only 3-10 levels long and having such outdated graphics and weird controls - it's still a ton of fun. Ball Jacks, MK3, Contra, Golden Axe, TMNT, Road Rush, Sunset Riders...
Playing HoM&M3 with my brothers is one of the best childhood memories. Now I play it sometimes with my nephew. But now it's online thanks to mods. Yet we also play local mp whenever I come to visit him)

Евгений Куликов


Hello emp, i like the video, but  i feel like a lot of the point are filled with "back in the day" nostalgic bias.

Back in the day all videogame companies trew piles of trash games and only the good ones are remembered, and every game that was sucessfull had a billion clones that oversaturate the genre, also back in the day people had more patience with a simple game because you didn't knew how the game was and if you picked wrong, you were stuck with a decent or meh game, so that was the mindset, now the standars are higher than ever and now we know what we are missing all the time.
Arcades were the pick of elitism and trash games with shitty mechanics to drain our wallets, so greed driving the industry  isn't a new phenomenon.

 And all the issue of excessive politics and extremely hostile opinions in videogames is better explained by the nature of social media (even back in the day we had the console wars, the bit wars,  the "no girls allowed" mentality by some kids and the COD douche squad, but it was more easy to ignore without social media) and the fact that back in the day the majority of people who play games were kids, and now that they grew up, they care about politics, so you see the topic more often, even when somethimes this alienate the kids a little,  you can see that in comics (silver age vs the 80's) , cartoons (from crappy cartoons reciclyng all the animation to the new complex and serialized "i have something to say" series) and other forms of entertainment.  I don't see kids that play fall guys or the new ps4 exclusive talking about the politics of the game or the media, over saturation or other things,  but we, young adults, almost always see the opinions of only young adults, and ALL the young adults with an opinion, even the segment about negativity bias clearly put the issue in the people, not in the industry.

And finally in the "we prefer older stuff instead of new boring uncreative stuff" is a generational inevitability, people older than choose to just play their old games with unnaceptable difficulty or only see their old Cartoons, when almost all plots per episode are the same.

All that said,  i enjoy the "be more possitive and enjoy life instead of being filled with cynicism" mentality at the end.

I like your second point. I think part of that was covered in the Rick & Morty video - that the way social media rose and changed made hostile opinions more common/apparent. Anyways, yeah that makes sense why there's more politics because we're young adults now


2010 maybe loved. But [IN THE END!] Nostalgia takes over.


DLC and patches were a thing and standard on the PS3/Xbox 360/Wii era, it just wasn't standard on the Wii, it is true that Skyward Sword did have a patch but it was a save patch and requires a separate channel for it.


The videogame Kenshi made me go back to my childhood when I spend hours playing Dungeon Siege, it's one of those modern gems that went under the radar, also the developers are making Kenshi 2 at the time of this comment


Considering that most new games are built on ready-made game engines like Unreal, or on in-house engines that are basically just iteratively improved upon, while the older you go with games the more those engines had to be coded mostly or entirely custom from scratch for each game, the fact that so many new games have shit for content, what's there is broken and filled with ads, and all while blowing bajillions of dollars on development is just totally unacceptable.  This on top of the fact that modern computers and consoles have waaaay more hardware overhead to handle the processing requirements of games with ease instead of having to be meticulously hyper-optimized so the game can run on a TI-86 processor with 512kb of VRAM just makes these lazy games fucking disgusting.  It's especially embarrassing now that you're getting more and more of these indie folks coming along and pantsing the AAA publishers with games lovingly thrown together in Unity with glue sticks and glitter, kissed on the forehead and then sent off to their first day at the Steam marketplace with a bag lunch and a note pinned to their chest.

Considering that most new games are built on ready-made game engines like Unreal, or on in-house engines that are basically just iteratively improved upon, while the older you go with games the more those engines had to be coded _mostly or entirely custom from scratch for each game,_ the fact that so many new games have shit for content, what's there is broken and filled with ads, and all while blowing bajillions of dollars on development is just totally unacceptable.  This on top of the fact that modern computers and consoles have _waaaay_ more hardware overhead to handle the processing requirements of games with ease instead of having to be meticulously hyper-optimized so the game can run on a TI-86 processor with 512kb of VRAM just makes these lazy games fucking disgusting.  It's especially embarrassing now that you're getting more and more of these indie folks coming along and pantsing the AAA publishers with games lovingly thrown together in Unity with glue sticks and glitter, kissed on the forehead and then sent off to their first day at the Steam marketplace with a bag lunch and a note pinned to their chest.


I was playing animal crossing new leaf in a mechanic's shop and a guy came over and said:
"what are you playing?"
I said "Animal crossing."
He immediately responded "Does it have good graphics?"
I wanted to tell him that games don't need good graphics to be good but I guess I knew that he just couldn't relate fun without the game having realistic graphics or it would be considered dated.

@Plasti Garbo understandable, it did sound pretty pretentious lol (my comment) like those generic comments that end with <b>Like if you relate</b> hahaha

@Plasti Garbo understandable, it did sound pretty pretentious lol (my comment) like those generic comments that end with *Like if you relate* hahaha

@The Messenger Its just I have heard this so much that every time I see it I throw out all reason and anger time starts

@Plasti Garbo I mean yeah, but I meant more like that was the first thing he asked me rather than " Is it fun" Also i'm not a redditor and I never said it was a brave opinion. Never expected to gain so many likes. It just matches the video's message I guess

I think that statement is another circle jerk when only the most exaggerated gamers would think this way but it seems like you need to shove <br>"its not about the graphics its about the game play now wheres my up votes for this brave opinion" in every game discussion

I think that statement is another circle jerk when only the most exaggerated gamers would think this way but it seems like you need to shove
"its not about the graphics its about the game play now wheres my up votes for this brave opinion" in every game discussion

@Jaquita Vulpix People associating high fidelity only with realistic aesthetics is a big issue. You can have completely unrealistic, yet ultra-high fidelity games (Ori and the Blind Forest, for example).

@David Lazaro Horizons would be better if they didn't drop so many features. I still enjoy the game, but the characters felt a lot more bland than in New Leaf. I hope they fix that

@Frog Glen Its all a matter of taste. I personally like it, because it is calming and relaxing to me. Other people might find that boring

@Jam sounds like I need to try some more casual games I've played mii city that's about it.

Animal Crossing was fun when the villagers talked shit,  now they are too tame and repeat a lot of dialogue.

@Kyriolexical Dino I actually meant only focussing on realistic graphics over everything (which is such a useless fetish), I completely agree with you on gameplay there.^^
I hate that alot of game series are becoming so streamlined and simple/casual these days (I have a few of my own I'm mourning there).

@Kyriolexical Dino I actually meant only focussing on realistic *graphics* over everything (which is such a useless fetish), I completely agree with you on gameplay there.^^
I hate that alot of game series are becoming so streamlined and simple/casual these days (I have a few of my own I'm mourning there).

My brother said the same thing when I was playing enter the gungeon, he only plays games that look good rather than play good

I've played over 1000 hours of New Leaf since I got it. It was a simple, fun game that had a lot of features that appealed to me. I really enjoyed the game over a span of multiple years.

@Gamer Gunk LMAO!!! you've seen to much rule34

@Jaquita Vulpix I'm in some extreme disagreement with your last point bud. Realism in gameplay is not an inherent detractors, it can be a boon even, just look at games like Arma or even strategy games for an example, people up to this day still play shit like Vicky 2 over newer paradox strategy games due to the more complex economic and sociopolitical aspects of the game, the same can be said about the total war series which is pretty much on a downward trend as the battles become more and more arcade and less strategic.

There's a difference between realistic and aesthetic graphics. Things can be highly stylized and simple if they commit to and capture a pleasing aesthetic - and look awesome; and there's games that value realism above all else (even gameplay), which tends to get boring and age worse - or it hasn't gotten enough resources in production so it looks unpolished from the release.

@Frog Glen I think that it's because it's kind of made for a casual play-through and those are console games anyway. I'm talking New leaf, not New Horizons

Animal Crpssing is boring as a whole. Not as good as Persona 5 or Dragon Quest 11


I don't know if video games are on a downward spiral in terms of popularity
but I will admit that the quality of titles released has definitely spiraled down in quality

And once beloved franchises, developers, publishers, are either dead, bankrupt or a shadow of their former selves


As someone who grew up in the 2000s, i can say with certanty that cs1.6>any modern shooter

Also i recently played gran turismo 4 and my fucking god its good, its insane that a  5gb game, running 30 frames per second in 240p released in 2004 is where raceing games peaked. All those new technolodgies and they make what is absolute trash compared to this


I've always had this exsestential worry that, due to the influx of games coming out in the past few decades, we've all mastered every genre, thought up and pioneered every genre, and experimented with every genre to the point where there is no where else to go in the industry as a whole.

@ollie hd we haven't hit every trend possible. Not by at least a bit.

Plus there is always hybrid and niche genres, which are something I am GREATLY interested in, even if just for the concept. Like RTS/FPS hybrids.
Also I want Fractured Space back :(

@AdamofBlastWorks but what happens when we have followed every trend until we get sick of it?

No way, trends are just followed too hard.


Yeah, this is a problem I’ve noticed about media in general, that the monopolization of games, movie franchises, ect kinda leaves consumers more comfortable to accepting mediocrity because it’s all we get. Once the big companies feel no real competition, it gives them an excuse to be lazy and less creative. It’s pretty sad honestly and why I don’t really play games anymore


I love that both Schaffrillas Productions and EmpLemon stopped making YTPs in order to make analysis videos

Honestly, they're similar but different in many ways.

@Silvio Haro same, I remember seeing a notif for schaffrilas and thinking "why is emplemon talking about shrek?"


You are right modern games have that licensed shovelware feel from 20 years ago.


i think the biggest reason why people remember games as being better in the 2000s compared to the 10s is because even tho the graphics were objectively worse, we used our imagination to fill the gap that graphical fidelity had. we took what little pixels and polygons were used and transformed it into something we liked. video game companies now have to compete not only with old graphics but now what their audience imagined as well. that’s personally why i believe graphic preferences have moved back from hyper realistic to 2D pixels as it’s allow gamers to create a subjective perception that is personal to them rather than what is objective and realistic looking.


I don't mind spending good coin on games made by developers I enjoy and want to help succeed.


It is not just gaming thats declining, it's everything. Our entire civilization is rushing to the bottom. You can see this in the arts, architechture, litterature, music and etc.


When he said “Pokemon Go was the most fun I’ve had in any game in the last decade”

...that hit different

When he said “Pokemon Go was the most fun I’ve had in any game in the last decade”

*...that hit different*

I completely unironically think those couple months right after Pokemon Go came out are the closest I'm ever going to get to knowing what world peace would be like. I had friendly conversations out in public with complete strangers!

legen belcher Pokémon go just hit different in summer 2016 man, something smash can’t even come close to.

I would agree but then there's smash  ultimate..


2000-2007 was the greatest period of video games of all time


Red Dead redemption 2 is what the 2010’s were building up to in my opinion, nothing tops that game’s story mode in my opinion, there will always be good stuff.


I never got into online gaming in general, even with people I know. I just don't enjoy playing something unless it's either single-player or playing with people in the same room as me.

Also, as someone who used to be massively into gaming, I had a pretty rapid loss of interest in getting new games after the 3DS. I just can't get into it anymore except the stuff I have already played 200 times. I have become a gaming boomer.