This video has aged well, not just once, but twice.

@butterstix 24 please raise your hand if you think the CEO should be “removed” from her position

@Ken Hiett and i was a psychedelics virgin until recently, i’ve been watching YTPs since 2010

@P4rd0n3d Ph03n1x  I was a YTP virgin until I watched a couple of your videos. Immediately intriguing because I've never seen anything so accurately depict a psychedelic experience. David Lynch - Naked Lunch, here we come! Strange how we can tap into memories with such precision, with just the right sounds, smells, or visuals.

@Nikoloz Gilles it’s that or when Biden and Fauci we’re getting LoLed No by voters...

Democracy isn’t liked by some I guess

@Nikoloz Gilles I am one of those right wingers,  but honestly,  your qualifier "[...] right wingers (and I'm not talking about Ronaldo)" was one of the funniest things I've seen all day, I don't know if you just came up with it or I just haven't read that one before.  You got a genuine laugh out of me, not just the usual sharp "hnh" through the nose, so thank you for that.  You go ahead and have yourself an awesome day you rapscallion!

its now old enough to be its own chubby middle aged sugar daddy ... yeah

It's like juice that turns into a fine wine, got forgotten, and then turned into a fine vinegar.

@Nikoloz Gilles ronaldo is a left winger and striker.... did u mean messi?

Life lesson just because you can predict the future doesn't mean you can prevent it

@Nikoloz Gilles can't they just hide dislikes for their own videos?

They were already discussing it from back then; Youtube just finally implemented it (despite the sheer amount of backlash against it since that time).

@Alessio Muccio the first time was when YouTube was announcing they’d probably take away the dislike button or something like that. This was a few months ago.

guys youtube is just mad the covid information videos they've been putting out are getting ratioed by right wingers, (and im not talking about ronaldo) that's the only reason i can think of, we were getting along fine with dislikes before. i can understand but wrecking the whole site like this is like throwing a temper tantrum

What was the first time? I have seen this video time ago and cant rewatch it right now for reasons...

First time I’ve seen a sequel comment lol


Watching Matt Koval's announcement about the removal of dislikes, I thought something was off.
The spoken words did not match the eyes. The video reminded me of an interview Admiral Jeremiah Denton gave in 1966. I have never seen a less enthusiastic, more reluctant announcement of something that is supposed to be great.

Calling the removal of dislikes a good thing for creators cannot be done without conflict by someone holding the title of "YouTube's Creator Liaison". We know this because there exists not a single YouTube Creator who thinks removing dislikes is a good idea -- for YouTube or for Creators.

Why would YouTube make this universally disliked change? There is a reason, but it's not a good one, and not one that will be publicly disclosed. Instead, there will be references to various studies. Studies that apparently contradict the common sense of every YouTuber.

The ability to easily and quickly identify bad content is an essential feature of a user-generated content platform. Why? Because not all user-generated content is good. It can't be. In fact, most of it is not good. And that's OK. The idea was never that all content is good. The idea WAS, however, that among the flood of content, there are great creations waiting to be exposed. And for that to happen, the stuff that's not great has to fall by the side as quickly as possible.

The process works, and there's a name for it: the wisdom of the crowds. The process breaks when the platform interferes with it. Then, the platform invariably declines. Does YouTube want to become a place where everything is mediocre? Because nothing can be great if nothing is bad.

In business, there's only one thing more important than "Make it better". And that's "Don't fuck it up".

-Jawed Karim on Me at the Zoo’s description

@Nikoloz Gilles But disabling ratings on one video was always possible. Why don't they just do that on their COVID video if that was the reason?

I just woke up and looked up that the dislike button is gone. I am very sad.

sigh... youtube is just mad the covid information videos they've been putting out are getting ratioed by right wingers, (and im not talking about ronaldo) that's the only reason i can think of, we were getting along fine with dislikes before. i can understand but wrecking the whole site like this is like throwing a temper tantrum

I hope emp makes some kind of video on the news

Luckily for us mobile users it’s still around, though I’m not sure how long it will stay this way.

@Raum 2901 youtube after watching: Ohho you actually think this is a democracy and we would care for your thoughts. That's so cute. [Immediately shadowbans emplemon]

true dat. commenting to boost the algorithm


"that's a step closer to Twitter"<br>At this point basically EVERY big social media site has become interchangeable versions of each other. The diversity of websites in the old days is gone, now everything is just streamlined into becoming the same.

"that's a step closer to Twitter"
At this point basically EVERY big social media site has become interchangeable versions of each other. The diversity of websites in the old days is gone, now everything is just streamlined into becoming the same.

Because when EVERY social media platform is just a corporate playground... hahaha... ...none of them will be.

The bottom bar appears on every map, making it basically every app is a template of another. Variety? where has it gone.

All the same, shitty, boring design no less.

@Cat Chara no one uses tmblr though, it's mainly for fangirling now. which, hey, i don't mind.

When everyone doing anything are doing it just for money, this happens. People don't make sites and apps out of spare time, a sense of adventure, or for the sole reason of a "cool idea," anymore. We've worked the grind for money into every aspect of society now.

Hobby? More like payless job amirite /s

@bareky  As much as dependent on one another as a collective mass oligopoly, these sites are dependent on there being no material competition that offers anything they don’t (that would explain functional uniformity across the platforms).

If a competitor entered the market that offered features that you don’t see on mainstream social media websites today, then that site would stand out, and would at the very least, appeal to a disenfranchised audience who would like to try something new.

a cool term for this is Oligopoly; firms are dependent on each other and copy each other to maximize profits, thanks econ class!

@Fries money and cause it's easiest to use, same for nearly everything like bananas, chocolate, etc. it's all 1 type to fit our needs and while it is efficient, it does get boring and repetitive after a while

That does beg one question:

What was the rationale for these websites becoming more uniformal.

I was doing research for a project, and I was having to delve into old websites from 2005 on archive. God you aren't wrong. Doing that research made me realize how much it changed and how much I miss how diverse the old sites used to be.

@Fries yeah they used to be more unique but I guess they care more about numbers than the people nowdays

@Safwaan The only possible difference I see between these social media sites is some of the interests and tendencies of the people who use them more frequently may vary (ex: People who use Twitter more often may have shorter posts than some).

But functionally speaking, I see your arguments for them being more interchangeable.

@popopop984 yeah they all copy everyone else and not have their own creativity cause why do that when you can make profit from doing whatever everyone else is doing

I wanted to reply, but YouTube deletes my comments (tumbex, CherryPlayer, LiveJournal). Sad.

- Adûnâi

@Fries Basically, each website takes and copy features from other websites that they can take without completely changing the use of their website. Like Shorts on YouTube, which are similar to videos on Instagram, Tiktok, etc.

@Fries same UI design, minimalist, basic, all have the dark and light features, messaging feature, stories, accounts, etc. some are different but only by a bit, the days where completely different social media sites were is now replaced with a system that's addictive, easily navigable, profitable and exploitative

Not familiar with Reddit, how do 4chan’s users remind you of Reddit’s?

Not to defend these sites, but what specifically about these sites makes them feel uniform to you?

Not saying yard wrong, just curious.

@Season Season Too bad most modern 4channers are redditors who think they're too edgy for reddit.

soon 4chan will be better than most combined

guys hear me out. youtube is just mad the covid information videos they've been putting out are getting ratioed by right wingers, (and im not talking about ronaldo) that's the only reason i can think of, we were getting along fine with dislikes before. i can understand but wrecking the whole site like this is like throwing a temper tantrum

Lets be realistic... The web we knew and loved is gone since 2017.

was just thinking about this, from snapchat and the 'story' origins, to the 'shorts' that every platform now does..these sites are pretty much all interchangable instead of being the unique platforms they once were. you could theoretically scroll your reddit feed, find a topic that includes some outrageous facebook/instagram post, tweet about it and add more engagement to the discussion, watch it blow up and make it's way into the youtube commentator realm and enjoy the fallout of the memes on 4chan at one point lol..

Yes. One that maximizes profit over everything else.

@Cat Chara Tumblr has already completed its downward spiral and is now in the grave


we're doomed. society has gone so far backwards that they can't handle a thumbs down icon with a number next to it.

@xsuperkai64 x YOUTUBE 2100, LETS BAN ADBLOCK SO THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR ADBLOCK

Oh this is purely to help put slimey companies, and if you didnt want to deal with criticism before the new update, you can just turn off comments and likes and dislikes

Society? The dislike removal is UNIVERSALLY HATED. This is entirely YouTube's fault.

@Nikoloz Gilles i can see your point, but I want you to understand the bigger picture. It goes both ways here, and it's not just the righties.

yea i can't understand why youtube would strip away everything that makes their site great. youtube is just mad the covid information videos they've been putting out are getting ratioed by right wingers, (and im not talking about ronaldo) that's the only reason i can think of, we were getting along fine with dislikes before. i can understand but wrecking the whole site like this is like throwing a temper tantrum

We're the species that can't decides how to save our entire race from drowning/burning up. We were doomed from the start

YouTube 2018: Oh no, people are voluntarily choosing to watch YouTubers with a variety of perspectives, let's remove the ones we don't like!
YouTube 2019: Oh no, people are voluntarily choosing to watch alternative new sources, let's astroturf legacy news media!
YouTube 2021: Oh no, people are expressing their dissent of our design choices through the dislike button, we have to remove it!
The downward spiral never ends.

Bro that bs reason YouTube gave is just that, BS. They were probably told to do this by a government entity or corporation. Yeah some people were whining but comments (which aren’t removed) are way worse than a like-to-dislike ratio.


If like/dislike is too binary, what if we made a system with more than two options, maybe a grading system with, oh I don’t know, 5 stars?

Sounds old-fashioned, like something a website in 2009 would do

Legit, I would favor a return to that because what if I had a mixed opinion, that like and dislike wouldn’t express?

I prefer like/dislike since it implicitly ask for opinion, not fact. Youtube can use that to tune down the recommendation for me, not for everyone. I can do this to any video

When asked for rate, it sound like I have to be expert in the area.

@Lea Firebender and this is where i realize I'm bad at realizing jokes

fun fact: YouTube used to have that! That's why some old vids say to "rate" instead of "like".


And here we are, YET AGAIN EmpLemon knowing his shit. Honestly, every so often I get concerned about YouTube in the future making restrictions on who can even upload or shit like that, would tank them but their decisions are that stupid and who knows what will be restricted on the Net a decade from now. Can’t you imagine a timeline where corporations somehow use cyber attacks or viruses as an excuse to create restrictions on who can even upload files to larger sites on the internet or to weaponise them against smaller sites like they “aren’t trustworthy” or shit?

Remember, YouTube reserves the right to terminates someone's account for any reason. They absolutely can restrict who uploads, if they wanted to.

That seems like exactly what its gonna be. And its all out of our Control At this point. If you told someone in 2010 how bad it would be now? They wouldnt believe you, and its only gonna get worse and worse. The only way to win this game, Is to not play.


When I read that they will be removing dislikes, I immediately thought of this video. EmpLemon called it.

Same<br>In a Discord server I'm in I pointed my friends to this video in response to the official Youtube one. With an additional recommendation saying: "Take it from a guy with alot more respect and credibility on this website. He knows what he's up to. Absolute grade-A youtuber.

Same
In a Discord server I'm in I pointed my friends to this video in response to the official Youtube one. With an additional recommendation saying: "Take it from a guy with alot more respect and credibility on this website. He knows what he's up to. Absolute grade-A youtuber.

Ofc he did, YouTube’s behavior patterns easily showed this this would happen eventually


They have now removed the dislike count, here's what I've observed.
As everyone predicted, the comments are more aggressive.
A flood of angry comments is much more noticeable than a single number.
In their attempts to silence criticism, they made it more obvious.

Also, every largely disliked video will have a bunch of "use me as a dislike button" comments, so the change doesn't even do its fucking job.


THEY ARE DOING IT OFFICIALLY NOW, THIS IS IT EVERYONE. THE DOWNWARDS SPIRAL IS BECOMING BIGGER

Kind of. They only reviewed the Number dude.

if dislike is best,<br>end of world peace.

I’d argue that YouTube has its uses (in particular, perhaps accidentally, it’s become a very good media archive in my opinion).

But with that being said, I do see why people who look at the site from the perspective of original content prefer the site in the 2000’s and earlier teens to the site today.

There are many issues today (censorship, demonetization, and in my opinion most notably the impact of the algorithm) that don’t seem as bad even eight years ago.

What do you think?

DOWNWARD VORTEX DOWNWARD VORTEX DOWNWARD VORTEX

@Nikoloz Gilles yes, no need to destroy the entire site over something political

@TheChasedanger Yup, approaching the event horizon

at this point, the downward spiral has reached criticla mass

@vakapont nah a black hole at this point

instead of pressing dislike you now have to write your hatred down.. not sure if this will work out for youtube ^^

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE ARE NOW APPROACHING THE EVENT HORIZON!

It's official.
I'm packing up my bags and moving to Twitch.
I'm absolutely TIRED of YT's bullshit.

Just another attempt to neuter the platform and become like TikTok. At this point they should just rename the site to Tube.

This is crazy. Anyway, enjoy the signal boost EmpLemon. You've earned it.

And deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper…

@vakapont A rabbithole describes an echochamber more than a downward spiral tbh

YouTube is taking the downward spiral with emplemon

Wait really? Can you give me a link to it?

It’s not even a spiral at this point. A spiral can’t describe how fast were going down. This is a fucking manhole


The main argument saying a dislike bar can lead to a bad performance of the video is a bullshit argument. Imo, its the whole point. The audience should decide what is good content, not the website. It's literally killing free speech. Dislike mobs are bad they say, but a company like YouTube deciding to tamper with the dislike bar is the exact same thing. It forcefully changes the general narrative. They do it to generate a better appeal for large investors in their business.

I think showing when the ratio is changing at a faster then expected pace would help, much like showing 10 of the recent videos ranked.

While yes, dislike mobs are definitely a problem, however removing the dislikes is Definitely not the solution.

YouTube is doing the equivalent of teacher of punishing everyone in the class because of the few bad student.


Emp should do a follow-up to this given the recent news.

Nothing new to add though. This is just as relevant now than it was then.


The problem with saying you can leave a negative comment so we don't need dislikes, is that writing a comment takes more time and effort so people won't bother in many cases. Also, leaving a comment removes anonymity, and opens yourself up to being attacked by other commenters.

And chances are not many people will see the comment


The irony.<br>YouTube, the very thing which wants to remove dislikes, recommended me this video.

The irony.
YouTube, the very thing which wants to remove dislikes, recommended me this video.

тупа русский Justin Y., под каждым видео комментарий пишет, респект уважуха 👍

Приветствую Циклон ТВ!

Приветствую Циклон ТВ!


They did it. We lost. Dislikes are gone, and now opinions are removed. YouTube is APPEALING TO THE COMPANIES MORE AND MORE.

@KillTrump 666 bro I hate trump too but removing dislikes is bad for everyone. It’s good to give users a heads up on what the consensus is on a video and it also keeps the youtuber’s ego in check

@Fergus Mo They're just helping their fwiends!<br>And there goes another reason why I hate the "PoWeR oF fRiEnDsHiP".

@Fergus Mo They're just helping their fwiends!
And there goes another reason why I hate the "PoWeR oF fRiEnDsHiP".

@Just a guy So the answer is Indian genocide?

Measuring dislikes are gone. Not the dislikes themselves.

And yet here we are giving them our time

@Jsonic [GD] was just about to say that. next thing gone will be the comments. amazon did it when they purchased imdb, the forums at imdb were hella fun back in the day and served as a little fangroup for every tv show/movie/actor etc. and they were just wiped for the internet by bezos. same thing might happen to youtube, so what then?

@Ho Chi Meme true, that's why we need to use AdBlock and disable it only for the creators we agree with

Personally I don’t care I just watch the vid

@Tuong Tăng posting a video to say you dislike something just feeds further into YouTube's pockets. Also, not everyone knows how to edit, record in proper locations, and were just gonna get a flood of low quality videos doing nothing but complaining about other videos, which is a bad look.

We still have comment section and "VIOLATIONS TERM REPOST"<br>and we can post video to mock or warning other people

We still have comment section and "VIOLATIONS TERM REPOST"
and we can post video to mock or warning other people

No, my friend. YouTube <i>is</i> the company.

No, my friend. YouTube _is_ the company.

@𝐄𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐜 𝐌𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐃𝐨𝐯𝐞 and we fail it only gonna get worst

They want to return to the days of legacy media where you were forbidden from criticising the mainstream.

Ever since Tseries won, Youtube seemed to go downspirals...

Odd, I can still see dislikes for all videos.<br>Edit: They got me

Odd, I can still see dislikes for all videos.
Edit: They got me

@Pokin Ryan They'll end up getting Ajit Pai.

YouTube has been that company. And if you think this means we lost oh boy you haven't seen nothing yet

@Nikoloz Gilles Not just cov-related videos. Just about every White House or corporate Youtube video and many AAA trailers (video game or film) or commercials that spit in the face of their target demographic. Not to mention other regimes in other countries. All of these wealthy and powerful groups have a vested interest in getting rid of the appearance of dissent.

Youtube is just an advertisement billboard now

@𝐄𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐜 𝐌𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐃𝐨𝐯𝐞 that's right we can't just give up. Just because we can't see the dislike count doesn't mean we can't find another way express disapproval as a community

bruh youtube is just mad the covid information videos they've been putting out are getting ratioed by right wingers, (and im not talking about ronaldo) that's the only reason i can think of, we were getting along fine with dislikes before. i can understand but wrecking the whole site like this is like throwing a temper tantrum

@draguO doT True unfortunately, that's why I use both at the moment.

@Nqtural Already did but a lack enough reason right now since most content creators are here. Honestly the only way another website could rival YouTube is if many big users like Pewdiepie or Mr Beast give incentives to people to go there like money or something.

Nah, the battle has just begun. They are just testing the waters to see how much we care about it.

𝐄𝐥𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐜 𝐌𝐨𝐮𝐫𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐃𝐨𝐯𝐞

Not just companies but politicians and news

I feel like YouTube is trying to become TikTok. The addition of shorts is obvious, and this is also reminiscent of TikTok because they don’t have likes either.


"disabling likes/dislikes is depriving your audience of an expressive outlet"<br>This is exactly how I felt when I came across a video that did this or disabled comments. It feels neutering and manipulative.

"disabling likes/dislikes is depriving your audience of an expressive outlet"
This is exactly how I felt when I came across a video that did this or disabled comments. It feels neutering and manipulative.

Dislikes are actaully good some people sometimes upload videos, without listening to the dislikes, listening to the dislikes is beneficial, you Can improve your content and put alot of effort and change from a bad content creator to a good one, dislikes are beneficial but we got a backup and it's the comments,


I hate that this video has become very relevant again. We need bigger creators to speak out against this authoritarian move from YT.

@Mang Pike Hence The only reason big creators have to openly dislike this change would be to seem relatable and similar to the viewers, as if they're one of us. That would increase their popularity among the masses.

However, if they actually get close to making YouTube revert their decision the giant channels will stop ranting and raving about the removal of the dislike button because if YouTube did pull out that would negatively impact the popular creators in the long term.

YouTube removing dislikes is a hot topic that the masses loathe, so it would make sense for a lot of content creators to be cashing in on the hate train without actually holding the views and ideas of the masses.

Keep in mind that this is mostly speculation since I do not own a massive channel and thus do not know the mindsets of the people who do own such channels.

@Mang Pike Hence The only reason big creators have to openly dislike this change would be to seem relatable and similar to the viewers, as if they're one of us. That would increase their popularity among the masses.

However, if they actually get close to making YouTube revert their decision the giant channels will stop ranting and raving about the removal of the dislike button because if YouTube *did* pull out that would negatively impact the popular creators in the long term.

YouTube removing dislikes is a hot topic that the masses loathe, so it would make sense for a lot of content creators to be cashing in on the hate train without actually holding the views and ideas of the masses.

_Keep in mind that this is mostly speculation since I do not own a massive channel and thus do not know the mindsets of the people who do own such channels._

@Nikoloz Gilles I'm impressed at the level of dedication online right wingers have to ratio those videos. All the news videos I've seen talking about kids getting vaccinated have single digit ratings. If the left had that level of mobilization they would never lose another election.

@LEGOMAN 2 Creators worth watching don't want it changed, and I'm not sure if this is true but I've heard positive or negative feedback increases engagement and views.

PewDiePie said it's not a great decision. <i>PewDiePie.</i> It was days ago. I don't think YouTube cares about what YouTubers think, even the big ones.

PewDiePie said it's not a great decision. _PewDiePie._ It was days ago. I don't think YouTube cares about what YouTubers think, even the big ones.

goddammit. youtube is just mad the covid information videos they've been putting out are getting ratioed by right wingers, (and im not talking about ronaldo) that's the only reason i can think of, we were getting along fine with dislikes before. i can understand but wrecking the whole site like this is like throwing a temper tantrum

Creators, including large ones, will like this change since it will make people dislike videos less.


If you’re dislikes are more than 50% you’re probably the official YouTube channel


The fears in this video have now become realized... I never actually thought that YouTube would follow through with it though. I mean, they've made all kinds of terrible decisions in the past. But this level of censorship is an entirely new level of unforgivable


>A dislike on a Youtube video has never harmed a person, they've only harmed egos.

Fuck. Nailed it.

@jroma the real question isn’t why some basement dweller hits dislike on your content, it’s why you even care what the troll thinks in the first place

@jroma That's just how people are. If a group of people like something, there will always be that one that hates on it purely for the sake of hating. You can't change that no matter what. It's better to not generalize and realize things for what they are. Removing dislikes is not going to make anything better. An example would be any DIY video that achieves nothing, better to see the dislikes to know that you're wasting your time and move on to a better video that's better suited to help with what you're trying to achieve.

And if your ego hurts, you should think about WHY.   That’s an important aspect of how any social site works.

@Samu-el Daw-kins I’m actually entertaining unlike you guys

@jroma Except for the fact that's mostly not true. Mass Disliking has been most often used against big corporations or on a video with a bad take. Removing Dislikes isn't going to stop any hate, people will just find other outlets to put that hate somewhere else.

@Black star Did you even watch the video?

@jroma So because a very small number of people cause problems, everyone should not be able to dislike? Seems legit

@asher ferrara I still think the useless feature should be removed

@asher ferrara I don’t care about dislikes it just makes me annoyed because there’s no information behind the dislike if you don’t like something then you have to explain why if you don’t want a contact creator to be bad.

unless the person had emotional problems and they commit not living by choice

@Janfon1 I'd be fully in favour of that.

@jroma So it's basically like stopping the heckler problem in stand up comedy by taping their mouts shut

@Sparky1970 A dislike isn't always criticism though, a lot of the time it's just people being negative assholes or having a grudge against the creator. Which is why literally every video on YouTube that has over a certain number of views has dislikes, no matter how objectively good the video is. It's annoying when someone spends days, weeks, months working on something then some mouth breather in a basement who has never made anything in their life just smashes the dislike button. It's just spreading unnecessary negativity.

Seeing a dislike on my videos makes me feel bad I don’t like that feeling end it just makes newer creators feel more disappointed and making content

If your ego hurts, then it’s your problem


YouTube's downward spiral is irreversible, but nobody can seem to replace it.

@Henry Crabs Akshually, it's from a video game, and so is yours soooooo


Well… It was a good run gentlemen. May we find a new platform.


Rest in peace, Youtube dislike. The bastards at Youtube HQ have really done it.

@Gimmysharp It was them the entire time! They always have been ruining shit since the last 2 decades! Never forget how they terminated SuperPoke Pets, it was horrible! Bring it back, Make The Internet Great Again! ✊😾

@NeverAngel24 Official YT channel wait W H A T


Despite our best efforts. Despite every soldier we lost. Despite all the friends and foes we lost. We still couldn't do it. We couldn't stop them. YouTube removed dislikes.<br>Small Youtubers were used as a cover up.

Despite our best efforts. Despite every soldier we lost. Despite all the friends and foes we lost. We still couldn't do it. We couldn't stop them. YouTube removed dislikes.
Small Youtubers were used as a cover up.


Dislikes have always been a red flag to me. It doesn't necessarily influence my thoughts on a video, but it gives me warning signs to look out for. If there are 20% dislikes, I can still generally trust a video, but I will look to the comments to see why people are disliking. It's usually minor grievances or some factual thing that was wrong, etc. 50% dislikes is an instant red flag, and if I don't see obvious brigading in the comments (which is pretty rare), I'll assume the video is just incredibly controversial or incredibly wrong, and watch out for those pitfalls through the video.

If the likes/dislikes are hidden? The creator is dishonest. It's as simple as that.

@Determined Follower Problem: I prefer likes.

random thing here but the first sentence looked like you were calling dislikes bad lol

Based and accurate. Bring back the dislike button!

@Survii Gecko ^this. Ye totally right mate

I cannot believe they went through with this. It might seem trivial for "bad" content in vlogs or whatever YouTube thinks is the only content on their platform. But I can say with confidence dislikes will have saved people's lives in the car modding community, and saved millions of dollars in bad mistakes for PC building and similar.


This video has aged better than the management of this platform.

They've aged, it's just their getting old as hell and more controlling


They actually did it. Today, they went ahead and actually did it. They removed dislikes.

They're about to charge people to upload videos.


Once more, in these trying times, we return for EmpLemon, and seek his guidance 🙏


As a sort of celebration for predicting the future and to commemorate what may be the last time we can express ourselves freely, I find its only fitting that I place a dislike on this video.


This video is very relevant right now. I actually can't believe they've been toying with this idea for so long, and that they're seemingly finally going to go through with it. This is true YouTube armageddon


Well, they just released the video confirming they WILL remove the dislike counter. YouTube is going to be a significantly larger cesspool than it already is. Thanks YouTube.


I like how EmpLemon tore apart Dan Olson’s entire argument by pointing out that 4chan, the embodiment of everything that man and his kind hates, doesn’t have a dislike button.


Congrats on your prescience, and thank you for trying to warn people. Been a fan for years but had to come back to this vid now.


And just like that, the downward spiral just got bigger today.

Don't worry, soon they will replace it with the love button and you will have a choice between liking and loving any given video. ♥

And EmpLemon predicted this back in 2019


im so glad I wasn't the only one who revisited this video upon hearing the news


You gotta make a part 2 of this, especially how they are doing it for real.


This is proof that YouTube has completely lost sight of what made this website great.

I wouldn't even have that much of a problem with it if you couldn't turn off comments.

The worst part is that Youtube asked the community for feedback, and literally everyone was against the idea, and yet, YT removed them.

Hell, even big channels (ie. Matpat, Markiplier, SOG, Linus Tech Tips, etc.) weren't happy about it. Matpat even told Susan Wojcicki (the current CEO of YT) to bring back dislikes, but she denied it.

YT is disconnected from the audience, it's baffling


Thanks to the removal of dislikes, I can't tell if that 83k likes on a 900k view video means you struck a chord or your opinion is so conroversial that 800k people unanimously hated it


and now youtube's removing dislikes ahahahah 🤦♂ your theory was mad accurate, must be that simpsons spirit

@tiru liru yeah, now they are. Thankfully it's possible to bring them back.

@TheSonicFan4 Bad news: Dislikes are now gone.

@GameMaker 3_5  that's about... A Single Dollar

Technically YouTube has already removed both likes and dislikes, so

The mark was Germany's currency until 2000. 4 trillion mark would be about 2 trillion euro<br>take the bet fo sure

The mark was Germany's currency until 2000. 4 trillion mark would be about 2 trillion euro
take the bet fo sure

@macgeek2004 I thought dislikes for comments never worked anyway

Wait what? Dislikes necer went anywhere.

Youtube wants to hide the fact that their rewind failed.

Κώστας Καραπαπαχατζηδιμιτρακόπουλος

@GameMaker 3_5 so like 4 dollars us then lol?

tru ^ coming to rewatch the video now. kek

@Random Serbian Guy 4 trillion marks... (in 1923 German money)

How much you wanna bet that YouTube disliked this very video


It has come full circle now. The dislike button will soon be gone. Users have almost no way to express opinion now that the creator can't hide.


I love the hypocrisy of people not agreeing and wanting removal of dislikes but they still go ahead and use the dislike button on your video. They're only proving that dislikes are important.


imagine if someone far in the future went back and saw youtube rewind 2018, and would thought it was well recieved because they saw 3M likes without realising the 17M dislikes

edit: also i know you might not see this but THANK YOU SO MUCH for putting the music list in the description, all youtubers should do that


Emp lemon is very good at analyzing YouTube’s behavior patterns. It was pretty easy


Ladies and gentlemen, we are here to mourn the loss of dislikes. Please pour one out for our downward-pointing thumby bois as we lower them into the downward spiral.


Rest in peace, Neutral Response. You brought indifference to so many people.


Emp, how do all your video's age SO well?!


Youtube Rewind 2018: Breaks dislike record<br>Youtube: Y'know, that button isn't even necesary at all...

Youtube Rewind 2018: Breaks dislike record
Youtube: Y'know, that button isn't even necesary at all...

@Somethings Empire <b>COLOSSAL FACEPALM</b>

@trollbreeder theres an easy test to see that they dont do anything
step 1) press like and see the number increase by 1
step 2) press the dislike button and watch nothing happen
boom, test complete. Now you can also preach to others about how shit youtube is, while nobody really decides to do much about it.

Also people need to stop thinking about switching sites, because nobody will be able to just make a new site since they'd need some absolutely massive servers and some other crazy shit. We need to choose a good team of developers and crowdfund the new website, since there's no way they'll be able to fund it themselves.

Removing dislike buttons just because an angry mob exists is just like cutting off your head just because headaches exist.

That is exactly what I was going to say!

Then they'll take away the like button. If the dislike button is removed.

This theory is so accurate it's probably truth

yeah, i thought the comment dislike would bring the like counter down by one like.

have you also noticed the missing count of dislikes on comments?

@Erikas0012 Good, i hope they do. We need a good reason for people to leave this site and find better alternatives.

They're trying to remove dislikes cause of 2018 rewind's mess. They can't take criticism at all


As an act of protest, I will dislike every video I watch on Youtube, even if it's a video I actually enjoyed, as a means to trash the unreliable rating system Youtube has created, this may result in something only if we the community as a whole do this together.


<i>“And what happened, then? Well, on YouTube they say – that the downward spiral grew three sizes that day. And then the true meaning of dislikes came true, and YouTube felt the backlash of 10,000 dislike mobs plus two."</i>

_“And what happened, then? Well, on YouTube they say – that the downward spiral grew three sizes that day. And then the true meaning of dislikes came true, and YouTube felt the backlash of 10,000 dislike mobs plus two."_


And such, we travel further and further into the downward spiral for each passing day.

Thanks, Youtube! You made everything substantially worse.


With youtube now hiding dislikes, this video aged like fine wine


This is clearly an amazing video, nobody has disliked it!


Ironic how this gets recommended right as YouTube removes dislikes


it sucks that this is even more relevant now


About Dislikes, I think its very useful.

If its a Scam/Virus, then the dislikes can give a warning.
It can state an option, for example, i don't like TTS Reddit videos.

@Extreme Wreck 2000 Sadly, some content creators can disable comments.

With those, I mostly just go to the comment section.

@nch20045 I started to see this reedit videos because works for me like highlights, comments that I would not see without them. but I started to became anoyed with them because the cringe clickbaits thumbs and they not show interesting replies if at least they linked the post

I wish they brought back dislikes in comments

@tristan the oofer 2 a video where it’s text to speech reading from a computer

Reddit tts videos are just horrible and require no effort.

If they dare take it out, it will literally be a huge hit to their whole operation.

Many new content can easily be trash, and scams (as there are already) but In massive scale. And the algorithm won't help that, if anything it might boost amd encourage it. Who knows.

@Cybernik The Robot It's impossible to determine if a dislike is done by a "mob" or out of "real reasons". ESPECIALLY since machines are currently operating most things on YouTube.

@Cybernik The Robot and some haters tend to dislike their enemys video as soon as they see it...

And it's the nicest way to share an opinion instead of leaving a hate comment

@Dil exactly. I hate it when a Reddit channel complains about youtube when they can push out content every hour.

@nch20045 I like seeing them, but yea, they're pretty lazy.

couldn't agree more, this is part of the many reasons why like/dislike ratio should be a thing

@mottherr If you add actual original substance to the content, then it's not so terrible. A derivative work, such as an animation, is fine.

@Le Bonk when i am interested in the content i just go see the treath on reddit to not give them any money

Okay so I'm NOT the only one constantly getting my recommendations flooded with that shit no matter how many times I click "not interested"

@Cybernik The Robot how do we prevent people from abusing it? Its just like review bomb on metacritics its the only way to truly send a message

TTS reddit videos are so lazy it angers me. They just steal don't with 0 personality. At least when pewdiepie steals content you get his personality

jakkery nice try on a sneaky channel plug, but you gotta do better.

The problem there is the people abusing the button.

There's a very recent video (not even mine) that has 77 dislikes and like 10 likes because some idiot on Reddit asked people to dislike the video, literally.

I say, keep the dislike button, but prevent people from abusing it on Youtube jeez.

Reddit TTS videos are disgustingly successful for how low-effort the production is. I've blacklisted all of those channels from my recommended feed and I'm a happier person because of it.

I agree. TTS reddit videos are lazy. They don't even ask their own questions, they take already established r/askreddit threads and just put them in a boring text to speech format

wait are you cool with tts animations? because thats what i make


please do a follow up. I don't think there truly is anything ore important in modern free speech than the dislike button on the largest and most influential internet platform


Well, now they did it. They up and did it. Dislikes are no longer here.


They did it. To be honest I was expecting them to do it sooner


Sadness, anger, powerlessness, but mostly just sadness.


If dislikes actually get deleted, I'ma just comment the word "dislike" when I dislike a video

well, looks like you’ll have to comment “dislike” now

well, looks like you’ll have to comment “dislike” now

@João da Silva just say “downvote” “d1$l1k3” etc

@João da Silva just say “downvote” “d1$l1k3” etc

I would just pin a comment over my video and title it “dislike button”

I will like your dislike to cement my own dislike

I will like your dislike to cement my own dislike

@DJ Chameleon You can't control it forever

@DJ Chameleon You can't control it forever

Too bad you can control your comment section

Too bad you can control your comment section

@Max Wasson Not that I'm a fan of that...

@Max Wasson Not that I'm a fan of that...

YouTube will just ad that to blocked words and it will go into the spam comments folder 🤘😔

TheUnknownKoala4545 / Dark We Bare Bears

I hate to say it, but this aged like fine wine.

I hate to say it, but this aged like fine wine.

Looks like we'll need people to be like you soon.

Looks like we'll need people to be like you soon.

Looks like you know what you gotta do now.

Looks like you know what you gotta do now.

Make a playlist with the videos you dislike.

Make a playlist with the videos you dislike.

@coonrat1 oh really? I thought that liking increased it and dislikes decreased it. That basically removes the main reason to dislike videos.

No that raises engagement and shows the video to more people

No that raises engagement and shows the video to more people

@João da Silva then make it different "I do not like this video"

@João da Silva then make it different "I do not like this video"

People actually do that on Instagram meme pages and it's super annoying

@Tam Ago I would appreciate if you could cut down on the profanity since I would like to keep this a racism free zone pls

What dose disliking a comment actually do?

What dose disliking a comment actually do?

YES! thank you! You are a good fellow! Yes yes!

YES! thank you! You are a good fellow! Yes yes!

@skrubbed this is an amazing idea. If you don't mind, may I add it to list of things I have to do when certain things happen to make sure the dislike doesn't die?

If people filter out the word dislike: look up zero width non joiner and coppy and paste it somewhere into the word (it's a character that doesn't have any visual presence)<br>If YouTube disables comments: the site will quickly become worse than 4vhan as there will be litterialy no way for people to get checked and YouTube will reverse it after loosing a significant amount of people

If people filter out the word dislike: look up zero width non joiner and coppy and paste it somewhere into the word (it's a character that doesn't have any visual presence)
If YouTube disables comments: the site will quickly become worse than 4vhan as there will be litterialy no way for people to get checked and YouTube will reverse it after loosing a significant amount of people

@jollyollybolly they don't currently effect it, so it's not rly the opposite

This still boosts their engagement, increasing how many people see it

And that’s how we lost the comment section.

And that’s how we lost the comment section.

creators can disable the work dislike from comments tho

creators can disable the work dislike from comments tho

actually an interesting way of getting around it. then, it could be paired with an extension to create a third-party dislike button.

But it will have no impact on the algorithm

But it will have no impact on the algorithm

That is the most veiled insult on lemons ever.

That is the most veiled insult on lemons ever.

Theres gonna be hella “use me as a dislike button” spam

Theres gonna be hella “use me as a dislike button” spam

People have been doing it so long as I've been on YouTube. It's filler but it's effective.

They're gonna get rid of the comment section next lmao

They're gonna get rid of the comment section next lmao

<b>youtube</b> we shall remove the comment feature and if the make videos saying this we shall remove the video feature

*youtube* we shall remove the comment feature and if the make videos saying this we shall remove the video feature

Go the steam route and use -rep or +rep.

Go the steam route and use -rep or +rep.

But then you'll be notified when someone comments on it 11 months later

@2009Bandman And if that gets filtered as well, then we comment "d1slik3".

Bro just delete YouTube, no one will even be able to make a rant video.

And just make that the norm - you "like" the "dislike" comment.

And just make that the norm - you "like" the "dislike" comment.

You have the entire site backed up with you on that one. Get ready, for the battle may eventually happen.

Just Another Guy With A Moustache you can be my dislike button anytime

then people can like the "dislike" comment all the way to the top

then people can like the "dislike" comment all the way to the top

They could also moderate the comment section and only allow two comments saying dislike to make it appear legit.

Well its already gotten that shit I mean on mobile you have the option to press a button on reconmeded videos and put im not imterested in this video nice bloons music btw

if that happens I'm gonna pay someone to make a bot account named TheDislikeButton that will comment on every single video with just "a"

And when they turn off the comments, hit them on Dissenter.

And when they turn off the comments, hit them on Dissenter.

And wtf does downvoting a comment actually do?

And wtf does downvoting a comment actually do?

If YT disables comments, make a  separate video on why you dislike the video and defend yourself.

Then you f3 the word dislike and you'll have the number of dislikes a video has.<br>Brilliant.

Then you f3 the word dislike and you'll have the number of dislikes a video has.
Brilliant.

That would just make the video do better because it has more comments

That would just make the video do better because it has more comments

@João da Silvayeah and we cant say "downvote" because we are not degenerate redditors

@Shade Wood If YouTube disables comments then everyone will suddenly realize the utter brilliance of Dissenter.

Worst case, you can leave a dislike comment on dissenter, but at that point it's so out of the way that there's not much point.

"Youtube is now getting rid of comments" Just wait for that.

"Youtube is now getting rid of comments" Just wait for that.

*Comments "Dislike"<br>-OH NO BETTER DELETE COMMENTS BECAUSE SOMEONE ON THE INTERNED GAVE ME A BRAIN BOO BOO

*Comments "Dislike"
-OH NO BETTER DELETE COMMENTS BECAUSE SOMEONE ON THE INTERNED GAVE ME A BRAIN BOO BOO

they will get triggered and delete your comment

they will get triggered and delete your comment

Videos with more comments get recommended more. Dislikes do the opposite.

I like the old method of just commenting "Boooooooooooooo", but youtube might try to ban ghosts after that

Or get atleast one person to say dislike or any other filtered dislike and get people to like it so it will accurately show how much people disliked a video

I bet you got highest IQ score on your entire planet

I bet you got highest IQ score on your entire planet

@2009Bandman Modern problems require modern solutions

@2009Bandman Modern problems require modern solutions

But probably they will disable the comment section to prevent that

But probably they will disable the comment section to prevent that

Then we can all like your comment if we agree

Then we can all like your comment if we agree

[89thAH] ArmA III:Optre Shenaniganus Maximus

Arquimedes “not a like”, “anti-like”, “fuck this video”

Arquimedes “not a like”, “anti-like”, “fuck this video”

Fun fact: This is already happening to cowards who disable ratings but keep comments

Arquimedes Then we can type it as “dis1ike” or “dislik3”, etc. We <b>will</b> find a way!

Arquimedes Then we can type it as “dis1ike” or “dislik3”, etc. We *will* find a way!

Yes, but soy creators can just filter the word "dislike".

Yes, but soy creators can just filter the word "dislike".

coonrat1 Modern problems require modern solutions

coonrat1 Modern problems require modern solutions


Saying “comments is a better way of communicating to a creator” is true, until you reach someone with millions of subscribers.

Edit: This comment is a perfect example, the chance of emplemon reading this comment is 1/1000000. I would need 100+ more likes just for a chance of a big YouTuber to read my comment, and basically no big YouTuber will check the comment past the first 3 minutes so your fucking screwed.

Exactly, i only found this comment because i was scrolling this comment section because of the recent news.

Even if its a YouTuber that doesnt have millions of subscribers, theres no guarantee that the youtuber will read the comments. They are almost 100% more likely to see the like to dislike ratio because its one of the first things you see on a video.


I apologize for the sheer hubris that went into this post, it took like an hour to write this fucking novel.

Seeing every kind of media get feedback and commentary was what gave this website its identity, and dislikes were a vital part of that. This used to be one of the few major websites where you could see it happening in a large-scale, user-friendly way. YouTube denying that to its users is one of the most painstaking moves I've ever seen the website make. I knew that the management was terrible, and that it was eventually going to get worse, but I was hoping it would take a few more years for something like this to happen. Things on the website were degrading, and I didn't want to be the person who just let it happen while I get progressively sadder.

Sometime before the counter was removed, I resolved that I would quit going to YouTube for a month, and look around other websites to see if there was anything else worthwhile. I mostly hovered around Newgrounds, and found that you can easily get interesting material, but couldn't seem to find anywhere that had a review/commentary scene that could work as a substitute to YouTube. I was testing myself and learning a lot about content creation in the process, but was still pessimistic about finding a website that could really compare for entertainment. Still, I stuck to the plan and waited out the month.

The website was pretty unceremonious when I came back. It was upset, because YouTube is always upset, but it wasn't up in arms or anything. The complaints about the dislike removal had pretty much died out, channels were producing as if nothing had changed, and most people I was subscribed to hadn't even uploaded since I left. The website barely changed, and suddenly my decision to leave felt a lot more justified. I want this place to recognize when it needs to change.

Relying on the same place for content is easy, and learning the environment of a different website is way harder to manage. Plenty of people never consider going anywhere else purely for that, even if that means the place has to suffer for it. I had never regularly went to any other platform before this point. But YouTube's greatness can definitely exist somewhere else. Finding alternatives for music and entertainment has made me more confident in what I choose to watch, and even if people can't completely transition to somewhere else, I believe that breaking that reliance is helpful.

Every time that this website's users prevent it from getting worse, it takes a fucking historical achievement. I wish it weren't so complicated to fix this website where it sorely needs it, but you're one of the users I trust to get upset and actually fix things. That's why I first came here once the break was over.

Keep up the good work, Emp. I'd like to hear some complaints. And if I don't, I'll be around to pick up the slack.


Lemon out here speaking facts on feedback

I'm over here just enjoying him dunking on Dan "Leaking CP to 8Chan" Olson


"When you choose to disable ratings on a video, you are deliberately depriving your audience of one of their expressive outlets, and you are consequently degrading their experience as a viewer." Exactly. Exactly this. Having no voice and feeling weak, powerless and invalidated

It's so sad what YouTube does.<br>I installed an add-on for Firefox so the disliked counter is back, but apparently it won't work in future but still..

It's so sad what YouTube does.
I installed an add-on for Firefox so the disliked counter is back, but apparently it won't work in future but still..


Well, unfortunately YouTube didn’t see this video because they are too sensitive to feedback and have some double standards that are really trying to protect their own ass and not everybody else’s


I remember when YouTube wasn't a place where adults would act like emotionally immature children. I grew up with angry reviewers, ranters, and Retsupurae. The uncompromisingly harsh criticism made everything better and more watchable/playable. If unpopular creators think this will improve their situation, it won't.

@Nikoloz Gilles yeah, that's the reason I never go to the comment sections of those videos<br>They be acting like preventing the spread of a virus should be a human rights violation.

@Nikoloz Gilles yeah, that's the reason I never go to the comment sections of those videos
They be acting like preventing the spread of a virus should be a human rights violation.

bro youtube is just mad the covid information videos they've been putting out are getting ratioed by right wingers, (and im not talking about ronaldo) that's the only reason i can think of, we were getting along fine with dislikes before. i can understand but wrecking the whole site like this is like throwing a temper tantrum

@Abaddon, the Lord of Avernus. Corporations and people with no emotional maturity, like Dan Olson. They are what we call in the biz, 'useful idiots'.


This is a terrible decision for a variety of reasons.

1. Dislikes are a great way to signal quality or lack thereof, so if you are looking for a good tutorial or instruction video where the speaker gives clear and helpful instructions, likes and dislikes allow you to easily sort through videos relating to what you are trying to find. Removing dislikes makes this process much more difficult and time consuming.

2. Apart from the inconvenience (which is honestly enormous when you consider that billions of people use the site for such purposes every single day), it also means that extremists who only care about promoting their ideology will be given an even bigger advantage over moderates now as, unlike those actually taking the time to verify the quality of the video, they will be able to like and comment on videos that appear to support their stance at a far faster rate ensuring that partisan and extreme content which studies have already shown increase both positive and negative engagement (the only negative form of engagement after this policy is implemented being comments which also boost the amount of views a video gets as the number of comments is one of the statistics YouTubes systems take into account when figuring out which videos to promote) becomes far more popular and will contribute to increased political polarization and the acceleration of the political binary in nations where YouTube is used to any significant extent.

3. The fact that a content creator can delete comments they don't like means that those who don't have the ability to distinguish between truth and fiction now lose not only the ability to look at the like / dislike bar and see if something fishy is going on but now their ability to find a comment which debunks the lies within the video are also far more difficult (even impossible if the content creator is determined enough) to find. This will lead to the spread of disinformation and clickbait and ultimately make it so that provocative content is given even more of an advantage over actual quality content in terms of what gets consumed.

4. Apart from the issues which are created by this decision, it also doesn't fix anything as the content creator would still be able to see the amount of dislikes if they go to look at their statistics and they can already turn off dislikes and comments as of now.

People should make alt accounts with your pfp and a blank Unicode comments to imitate dislikes.


11/29/21:
On December 13th, the Google API will be removing the dislikes property, which will mark the final day of dislikes on Youtube without third party software.
We have 2 weeks left, guys. I'm ready to embrace the new era of Clickbait Supreme Mega Ultra 2.0 Plus and scammers.
sigh

11/29/21:
On December 13th, the Google API will be removing the dislikes property, which will mark the final day of dislikes on Youtube without third party software.
We have 2 weeks left, guys. I'm ready to embrace the new era of Clickbait Supreme Mega Ultra 2.0 Plus and scammers.
*sigh*


Well this is officially the dislike apocalypse on YouTube. It was good while it lasted.


Emp's reading Youtube's every move like a book 👏


Positivity can be toxic if it's not checked.  Without the negatives, the positives become meaningless and allow what we hate to prosper with no problems.

Especially if the content is somehow 100 times worse than anything from The King of Hate.

@KingT 02 "hey UwU!!! Uu are all cute smol beans and i love Uu all!!!"

Social media without dislikes is like being surrounded by the Stepford Wives. Everyone smiling all the time, nothing but positivity, but it's all hollow. The toxicity is worse than ever before, it's just hidden beneath the surface where it will fester. <br>Remember Rule of Acquisition #48: the bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.

Social media without dislikes is like being surrounded by the Stepford Wives. Everyone smiling all the time, nothing but positivity, but it's all hollow. The toxicity is worse than ever before, it's just hidden beneath the surface where it will fester.
Remember Rule of Acquisition #48: the bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.

Exactly forced positivity always feels so disingenuous


"Just because you cant see the dislikes doesn't mean they don't exist"<br>FUCKING simple yet powerful statement

"Just because you cant see the dislikes doesn't mean they don't exist"
FUCKING simple yet powerful statement


First the prediction of Leary’s removal, and now this. Praise lord emplemon once again.


Well, I can say one thing now
He was ahead of his time
At least Youtube recommended me this video right when we need it


Holy shit, was this video ever fucking prescient.


I had a feeling youtube would wait a good long while, and they did. Any horrible idea YouTube teases is inevitable.


And here we are yet again, 7 months later! Funny how that works. Yeah... This is going to backfire immensely, because now people <b>have</b> to comment their dislike or hate towards the video in order to express it.

And here we are yet again, 7 months later! Funny how that works. Yeah... This is going to backfire immensely, because now people *have* to comment their dislike or hate towards the video in order to express it.

Well, you know how it is: people complain for a while, before they adapt and move on.


Strange how you managed to debunk every argument given for why dislikes would be removed 2 years in advance.


Congratulations Susan, you have officially removed our only way of communication and rebellion. THE PEOPLE'S REVOLUTION WILL STILL COME. LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE'S LIBERATION OF YOUTUBE.


I'm not mad at Youtube, I'm mad at myself for expecting better of them...

nah youtube is just mad the covid information videos they've been putting out are getting ratioed by right wingers, (and im not talking about ronaldo) that's the only reason i can think of, we were getting along fine with dislikes before. i can understand but wrecking the whole site like this is like throwing a temper tantrum

@no special person I have three accounts. On two of them the dislikes are no longer visible, but on this one they still are.

@W. D. Gaster I'm confused about what you mean. Could you elaborate please, dear sir 🙂

Luckily this account of mine seems to have been spared by this change. For now at least.


7 months ago this was just the beginning... now we've entered Endgame


Emplemon content only gets more relevant. As long as YouTube keeps making shitty choices his content will forever be relevant


Can they please just stop making this site cater to more and more emotionally fragile paper people. You already can't see comments where people swear, now we can't see dislikes FFS!


First Internet Historian and now Emp? This truly is a glorious day!

The Fall of 76 is a general depiction of the current state of the gaming industry.

i was so excited when i saw both of their notifs

@Casual Goats THE ACT MAN, a guy who talks about video games, dropped a video about why Call of Duty MW3 was mediocre.

This has been a good couple of days for youtubers making videos I like

It's weird how channels I watch have collaborated before

Eh...liked you better when you were in space.

A Real Lobster With An Internet Connection


Bow down to our cooperate overlords lmao


i love that your categorys line up really well as a parto-distribution


I'm only 1 min in, but I'm still willing to say the only people advocating for removing dislikes are those making shitty content or outright lying. Dislikes will still hit the algorithm, people will still go and dislike mob what they disagree with, but the ones saying "remove it" are the ones that don't want to make it obvious you are watching bad content.


Its a shame how a simple video from 2 years ago fell on the deaf ears of a corporation. They claimed to "hear us out" but still went forward with this poor decision.


Dislikes can help a bunch. To avoid scam/clickbait/bad videos. It helped the director to change Sonic’s design

Yeah or tutorials, whenever I have a problem I don't want to waste time on a fix that will not work. Heavy dislikes it's a waste of time, 50/50 it's a coin flip so it might work for me.

@CrystaltheCool Ya but the Dislikes was the trigger that got the topic started once people see O wow this Sonic Trailer has alot of Dislikes let's talk about this or fix this then won't dislikes and comments have pushed the ball to the next court sort of speak?

Mega Fan Studios
There's a conspiracy that the Sonic redesign might not have actually been a result of backlash, but more a planned marketing strategy to get people emotionally invested into the film.
I mean, from redesigning every VFX shot about a CG character in a film about themselves in 6 months to the near immediate response since the trailer, I'd say just stand back a little and see what happens with it in a few months.

"We'll fix it in post" - Sonic Movie director

It wasn't the dislikes alone though?? It was mainly all the redesigns and talking about the design over on twitter and youtube itself that showed the design was the problem. Without all that stuff the dislikes could've meant literally anything to the director.

It wasn't just that, it was also due to general backlash like the very comments and Video Responses.


Gotta leave rude comments in order to show your dislike now.


Starting a YouTube channel is a massive investment of one's life and livelihood, and as one of those kids who's wanted to become a YouTuber ever since the Minecraft days of 2012, the removal dislikes makes developing an audience all the more impossible.


Well, looks like EmpLemon has predicted the future... Again.


You predicted the future once again, old emp


"They all begin the same way with youtube teasing it and treating it like a non-committal, optional thing. And then it becomes default for the whole site."

well wouldn't you know it...

"They all begin the same way with youtube *teasing it* and treating it like a non-committal, optional thing. And then it becomes default for the whole site."

well wouldn't you know it...

@Lazys The dank engineer [BACK] As a gay man myself, I'd say both wings are 100% guilty in how their politics are mostly filled with the whiniest people to have ever existed(except for Nikocado Avocado).

@Nikoloz Gilles  I myself am pretty left wing and really hate the removal of dislikes. Literally nobody likes it except corporations and politicians (on both sides, and I suspect the next time a republican is in office the dislike counter won't magically return, but at the same time, I think they waited for Biden because it would give them more favor then)

i hate this bruh, i didn't even want this. youtube is just mad the covid information videos they've been putting out are getting ratioed by right wingers, (and im not talking about ronaldo) that's the only reason i can think of, we were getting along fine with dislikes before. i can understand but wrecking the whole site like this is like throwing a temper tantrum


It's heartbreaking to return to this video and see the dislikes gone


Thanks to Emp we learn a lot of things that not everyone knows or even understands.
It gives you a good way of understanding the more you watch his content.
Living in Perfection and Ignoring the negative or even isolating negativity completly is not a good idea.
Literally Balance my dude,whitout it life would not be so good.


I watch this video a couple of months ago and i said to my self, it would be crazy if they remove the dislike button, luckily the aren't going to do that, and here we are now


back here for the same reason everyone else is; aged like a fine wine, david gilmour, rob halford, or whatever analogy you want to use


This aged so well so much that it seems it was made now just with a different video


"He can see things before they happen. It's a Jedi trait"


Whelp, they actually just went ahead and did it, they are planning on hiding the amount of dislikes a video has gotten.

@A random guy don't wanna, the past is better.

@Mister Autist well time to dislike all youtubes ads, commercials, and everything that YouTube supports

And now it looks like they made the official announcement that they are gonna start hiding dislikes.

@PON PON PATA PON yep both sides don't listen anymore just shout they're opinion and dislike spam the opposition, its so damn sad

It just occurred to me:

How will we know if neutral response is truly neutral?

People can just comment "dislike" if they did

Comments too... i want a like dislike system like on reddit

Am I high? Are you guys high? I still see dislikes

Ratio'ing will be a youtube thing in the future too lol

@TFrills another victim of radicalization

@TFrills Ah yes.<br>It's not as if most corporations are in support of the old views of the conservatives.

@TFrills Ah yes.
It's not as if most corporations are in support of the old views of the conservatives.

@Aria Jacobs sorry all those logical and reasonable points mean nothing because Biden bad11!!!11!!

@Tubby I dont think so, they dont care about backlash, youtube has become but a tool to push whatever they want, too many normies that could potentially change their viewd if they continue to be exposed

@RealmerQ See, that's a take I can respect. It's plausible but improbable.

@Aria Jacobs They did it after he was elected though, the fact the idea only really went through after over a year of being thrown around, possibly more. The fact that it was only after a liberal was elected was suspicious, and especially with youtube, while not necessarily directly influencing the movements of the left, definitely has left leanings. They have the motivation to do it. Honestly I don't even believe they did since it's kind of illogical just by common sense, but it's still fairly interesting to think about it. I mainly just wanted to point out the possibility more, with actual evidence, even if it isn't much.

@Tubby You think they care about criticism? That’s why they’re doing it. Because they are the proud owner of the worst video on YouTube.

@TFrills Hey, wanna know something funny? This video is a year old. There's literally nothing saying YouTube is trying to protect Biden from criticism.

They're trying to protect themselves from criticism because they constantly shove stuff like Jimmy Kimmel down people's throats.

Man Youtube is saltier about rewind than a salt factory.

@The Trashman Yee the precedent exists for Youtube to listen if the outrage is big enough. Also, in calling their proposed change an "experiment" rather than flat out declaring that it's set in stone implies Youtube is somehwat open to not implementing it. But, with all the dislikes their channel gets Youtube definitely wants to get rid of dislikes to try and sweep their criticism under the rug. Hopefully the backlash for even proposing this change is enough to get them to back off for a while.

@Tubby I mean, they did listen to us when we said not to remove the verification check mark.

Probably because Biden has been getting a ton of dislikes.

@That Warlock They are incredibly dense and blind. But hopefully with the overwhelming and universal negative response, YouTube will get the message.

@Tubby they'll be blind to reason, they'll make all valid criticism invisible, like the dislike button

Thousands of people responded saying it’s a horrible idea, so let’s hope the outrage is enough to tell them to not go through with it, but we’ll see.


3:44 they claim there is still a comment section, but i am here to tell you, that's gaslighting. the comment section is heavily monitored and half the comments you post are invisible to others. it's mostly the negative comments that get roasted. that's if the comment section is even enabled. they will eventually rid the site of a like button, as their videos won't get enough likes compared to videos they would rather the site didn't host. youtube is on a spiral, and it won't be long before a real competitor emerges and strikes the final blow. then youtube can be the corporate tv network it wants to be.

I hope you are right concerning a strong competitor. Bitchute is way too conspiracy heavy for it to be another YOUtube like in the old days.


We need to make a mission to make this the biggest video on youtube


Can we finally get a competition platform for YouTube now that this came to fruition?


In protest of the garbage decision to remove dislikes, I am not going to use this platform at all until dislikes come back. I’m dead serious, I have other things and hobbies to do, and movies to watch that I haven’t. I will see you all when dislikes come back, hopefully…


R.I.P Dislike Count. You'll be missed dearly.


Well, as someone who liked this video when it came out and has been targeted by the BS mentioned, I’ll honestly miss it. Rip dislike button


And when everyone is liked on YouTube...
chuckle
...no one will be.

And when everyone is liked on YouTube...
*chuckle*
...no one will be.

@Mercury No kidding lad. Dislikes show how bad some videos really are, like Gametheorys' Tf2 vs Overwatch video, or really any given video from Youtube themselves. Banning dislikes is tantamount to censorship of saying what we do and don't like. Eventually, yeah, even comments will be policed. Maybe not wiped out, but they will be heavily enforced. Likely with another terrifyingly awful bot.

@Mercury ikr like dude, i remember when comments with more dislikes than likes still displayed with a red number next to them. And then one day it just was no more. Eck.

ya know, that's not a bad point, actually...

Mwhuaha ha ha ha ... HA ha HA HA hA ha hAA

Goddamn I wish I could share this comment rn

don't worry, i liked this video just for you

That reference gets used so much it's near-biblical at this point.

I literally had the same idea in my head

It’s just like when emp said in his last video, <br>“If everyone were talented, no one would be”.

It’s just like when emp said in his last video,
“If everyone were talented, no one would be”.

You, my good sir, win the Internet for the day.


i didn't let dislikes influence my viewing unless they were drastically high, and i doubt a lot of other people did either. even ~20% dislikes i could see as a video being 'controversial' rather than 'bad.' if a video in this territory seemed alright aside from its like ratio, i wouldn't be deterred- if anything, it'd draw my interest in even further. not being able to see videos with really high dislikes has just made clickbait, deception and misinformation even easier. a lot of the time if i'm unsure about a video just based on the thumbnail/title i'll open a private window so that the youtube algo won't feed me more of it if it ends up being slop. i'm really careful with the algorithm. dropping a dislike on a video i actually dislike in such a way isn't worth exposing my account to it in the first place.


Man, sucks to suck. At least the fact they decided to remove made me remember this video and I can rewatch it, because i like emps vids.


I love how they just throw “unskippable ads” out there like it’s not a bad thing or a big deal

Exactly.
Unlock origin.
I'm flabbergasted that a lot of ppl don't use an addblock or any other add on that obfuscate your presence or disable hidden trackers

I know. I remember a video I watched years ago, watched it again and got multiple unskippable adds throughout the video. That video was 14 minutes long and took another few minutes to get through it.

Take off the video and restart it again until you got a skippable ad or no ad.<br>Fuck google.

Take off the video and restart it again until you got a skippable ad or no ad.
Fuck google.

...and the addblockers for mobile devices started to emerge and youtube quivered

Wait, you guys are telling me you don't have an adblocker yet?

@GameMaker 3_5 Imagine seeing an ad longer than the video you're trying to watch

@Arthur Gonzalez imagine seeing a feature length movie as an ad...

@So confused Never had a single ad show to me that was longer than 30 seconds, and I believe it was only two 15 second ones, and it was a one-off scenario

i dont see what the big deal is with unskippable ads, i mean sure they're annoying, but have you ever tried using cable before? Don't ruin your attention span like this

@Futrey I made this comment 7 months ago, genius. You really think my opinion hasn’t changed in 7 months? you wanna tell me what’s changed in 7 months? unskippable ads aren’t a big deal, but they’re annoying as hell. all ads are annoying as hell. now find something better to do.

@So confused you know you can just use and addblocker right?

@So confused you know you can just use and addblocker right?

Gotta get your commercial reel just like tv :^)

You'll complain for a month or two, but ultimately accept the new-norm ;^)

@Matthew Christie how so? It‘s similar to private tv networks

im surprised on how many people dont use adblock

im surprised on how many people dont use adblock

Ads are how YouTube keeps YouTube free, and they support the creators by giving them ad revenue.

Little did you know unskippable ads aren't a bad thing or a big deal

Certain companies have unskippable ads now

Certain companies have unskippable ads now

@Incognito\ I’m perfectly fine with that, hell I may just have been an idiot and it may have just hit 0:07 and I didn’t read it right but I swear it was a unskipable 7 minute poorly made car insurance ad that I saw in 2017

@Wandering Exo ok ur not even trying to hide ur lie at this point.

@So confused I find that EXTREMELY hard to believe.

@So confused I find that EXTREMELY hard to believe.

@Gabe Elkins <b>laughs in uBlock Origin and YouTube Vanced</b>

@Gabe Elkins *laughs in uBlock Origin and YouTube Vanced*

GAMP: Sicker than your average kigger nilller

Don't forget the reminders to use premium, music, and tv every hour

And getting the same three ads for weeks

And keeping the premium features on your menus

And marking videos that have "shared revenue" for having music as music so you can't get around paying for premium with the picture-in-picture feature built into your device (this one might just be me)

And marking the ad as something you don't want to see anymore, only for the next two ads to be the exact same one. Not just for the same thing, the exact same advertisement. (Why even have the system if it doesn't function?)

brave browser has built in adblock for desktop and mobile. combine that with sponsorblock (skips in video ads) and you get to use youtube the way you want to. entertainment, not advertisement.

If you skip all the way to the end and replay thr video, it'll drop all of the ads

15 second unskippable ads about how vaping is a fucking sin against all that breathes, or about a shit game on the AppStore that the “dev” spent 14 minutes on with assets from deviantart should be punishable by death

I was reading this during an unskippable ads

I was reading this during an unskippable ads

@Aetheros they get money from watch time!

@Aetheros they get money from watch time!

YouTube has a big ad problem!<br>UNSKIPPLEABLE ADS

YouTube has a big ad problem!
UNSKIPPLEABLE ADS

I got an 24 hour unskippable shit fest a while back

And I gotta be honest I fucking love adblock now

@Tarkus wanna pay for youtube?<br>ads suck, but they're necessary.

@Tarkus wanna pay for youtube?
ads suck, but they're necessary.

@IceInTheSoda Exactly. I recommend Adblock Plus, which is available as a Google Chrome extension.

@So confused bro that's when you kill the app/page and come back

Just use adblocker and turn it off and watch and ad if you really want to support a creator.

zxy2271 null around 5-15 seconds but sometimes YouTube messes up and like what I got, you can get an ad that exceeds the limit for a unskippable ad

One time I had a 7 minute unskippable ads

One time I had a 7 minute unskippable ads

@Tarkus They gotta make money somehow, both youtube and the youtubers

Ads on YouTube were a mistake, skippable or not,they shouldn't exist.

Optitron98 closing and reopening the video sometimes works

Optitron98 closing and reopening the video sometimes works

@Hellfire missile salesman youtubers have the choice to put skippable or unskippable ads on their videos. You just choose good youtubers to watch.

Bro, the past month I was bombarded with nothing but 1-2 unskippable ads.


The ironic thing is that the people for removing dislikes are disliking the video. Wonder why they did that.


When I saw this video I thought for a moment; "Oh boy just another video explaining why Youtube should bring back dislikes."
Then I saw that it was posted before dislikes were removed and just "...No way..."
Man, this aged like fine wine...


YouTube doesn't care about the well-being of its creators. If they really did, then they'd tackle the issue of especially small creators getting bullied by large corporations with things such as false copyright claims. But it's easier for them to say "we're doing this thing for you guys!" and not listen as those same people chastise the decision.


Wow, Emp your predictions always age like fine wine


Without dislikes

The long held and respected game of the Neutral Response will come to an end.

Without dislikes

_The long held and respected game of the Neutral Response will come to an end._

You look familiar yet different...have we met somewhere?

I got banned from a discord for neutral response

I have no strong feelings about this comment

I will literally have nothing to live for without NR

I left a dislike to wish the dislike button goodbye

No one's played the game in 3.months. look at the like to dislike ration

I have no strong feelings about that one way or another

If YouTube deletes dislikes, tell my wife "hello".

Holy shit is it just me or does this comment have exactly 666 likes

I see you on almost every fuckin video I see

If only we could take all the likes away in that event.

Thanos video is still balanced as all things should be

@Croí Saor I HAVE NO STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ABOUT YOUR COMMENT.

I HAVE NO STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

what if he ironicly hid the dislikes on this video?

If that’s true, then nothing in the world will be perfectly balanced. There will be chaos and anarchy

If there is anything in this world to give your life for it is the sanctity and prosperity of NR. Praise be.


The more things change, the more they stay the same…


damn this man predicted the future<br>wonder how he's feeling now

damn this man predicted the future
wonder how he's feeling now


I just wanted to rewatch this very reasoning masterpiece after YouTube actually did remove dislikes. I absolutely agree with this video.


I couldn’t be sadder to say that you were right


The nail in the coffin for the “comments are better feedback” argument: if a video had 1000 comments would you rather: A:have to spend hours reading them individually. Or B: see that there’s 600 dislikes and say to yourself “maybe I did something wrong” within the timespan of only a few seconds. Any ideas anyone?

I mean - I do have a Spare amount of time of reading every comment individually, so why not?)

@Cosmic space thing How did they half add back the star system?

@Fries I mean, they half added back the star system, but yeah I agree that would actually be better on all videos

In all honesty, not one to endorse removing dislikes by themselves, but I would argue that a well thought out, descriptive comment about what the uploader did right and wrong with the video could provide better feedback than any rating could.

However, like Lemon implied, most people who comment probably don’t choose to do that, and for those that do, their comments may not stay on top and be read by the uploader.

There is one thing I would argue though (controversial opinion of mine):

Personally, I favor the old star scale over likes and dislikes, and would favor reinstating that, with all ratings being filterable via another function.

There are a number of videos I’ve watched where I honestly have a mixed opinion of over the years for a variety of reasons, and a simple like or dislike wouldn’t really express my opinion well, and there are also videos that I liked that I feel deserve a higher rating than others I also liked, and similar things could be said about my dislikes.

That’s just my opinion though.

@Narthar you highly overestimate the intelligence of the average internet user. Literally just take a look at twitter. Go on, find a highly controversial tweet and read through the entire comment section. See if you can make any sense of it. Nobody does that now so why would it magically apply to YouTube?

Well, in the spirit of what Emp is saying, if people see a comment they like and agree with, (especially if its on a controversial video) they will like the comment. If enough people agree with that sentiment, it will be brought to the top of the comment section, along with all the others that the creator can see how much people like.

The only message that dislikes convey are Good and Bad. Not very descriptive wouldn't you say? For example, if I were to dislike your comment (assume that you could see that it was disliked for this example), the only thing it does is say that I don't agree, but WHY I don't agree. Dislikes by themselves only comment on what a person is saying by saying "Comment Bad," rather than a genuine explanation that someone has to put time into.

Also, people who care more to actually look at comments and choose one or multiple to like shows more care and justification than the opinions of those who are able to click dislike with no effort or thought necessary.


You know the video is good when its aged like wine TWICE in its lifetime. 🍷🍷


They're doing it. I thought comment dislikes going away was frustrating, but this is a while other level


And the one thing that helped the site gain credibility in opinion, will be gone. RIP, Emp you were absolutely right.


I guess that there is only one way to find out if a video is horrible now:

If the comments are disabled.


Never ever has been a "Yikes" more fitting than now.

Also r.i.p to the term "ratio"


the only thing that didn't age well with this video was the keemstar intro, but then again, it just reminds us how old of an issue this has been. We really need dislikes more than ever, once dislikes are removed I gave a feeling other video sharing websites will genuinely have a chance to survive.


It’s been two years since this was posted and YouTube STILL haven’t learned their lesson yet


Maybe someone will have to be a dislike button now lmao. This was seriously one of the worst decisions youtube has ever made.


How ironic that people who want the dislike button removed disliked this video.

@fetchstix™ I disliked it for that reason

And i disliked you're video for liking likes which likes the people who hate the dislike. #Madlad

I DISLIKE THIS
wait why isnt this count
C'MON

99 I mostly disliked because I disagreed with the arguments made. I agree with the main argument, though.

The video is about how useful dislikes are and yet a thousand people liked one of those "shame the dislikers" memes. I swear to god...

good point. just like flat-earthers using the globe as a reference

I actually fully agreed with what emplemon was saying and really liked his video, but I disliked it to support the dislike button

I kind of want to leave a dislike because of the bizarre unfunny (imo) humor that also can be really loud. I like his videos but man the weird jump cuts with discolored simpsons just bother me.

@Pseudonyme F Yes i disliked because i am mr funny man.

Irrelevant, but I'm the 420th person to like your comment.

I support the dislike button, so it's really a like in a way by disliking the vid

I'm tempted to leave a dislike just because I agree and think the video has valid points, so want to support the dislike button.

I think half of em just disliked because its funny

🤔 Wait what if they do It to kiss It's goodbye just in case?


Well, here we are. The downward spiral has finalized. I guess YouTube is "not super democratic." There's an extension that reenables dislikes, but that API will apparently be lost by 13 Dec. RIP


and i present to you a world where "a troll" makes more sense than the rest of the people, this aged like wine.


This video being controversial tier like-wise is a nice proof of concept


here's the thing about the downward spiral

it never ends


I can’t tell if the dislikes are from people disagreeing or people just exercising their right to dislike, but either way gods speed soldiers

I disliked to honour dislikes. That doesn't mean I dislike the video.

I disliked because Emp should like that.


Emp's we need you in our time of need
give us your opinion once more on
Youtube's dogshit handaling of this platform


Once again, emplemon has predicted the future.


This aged perfectly. YouTube is now removing dislikes.

@Sygneg 7 months ago, they were already testing the removal of the dislikes. Now they're 100% going through with it.

@El Sakamoto que duerme It's being rolled out now. It's only a matter of time before the change affects everyone.

@El Sakamoto que duerme they removed them for a period of time, and then added them back

Has it happened yet?

//UPDATE 11-11-2021//
okay, they did it

@Commandosoap777 Capitalism and communism are sides of the same coin.

I remember there was a drag queen add that was dislike and I agree with the people that don’t wanna see lgbt in there recommended

My feeling is people pointed out dislikes when they can't come up lol with anything interesting to say 😁

@Mason Edwards why you gotta bring politics bro?

@Gleveland yup. Many examples of YouTube blatantly breaking actual laws and their own rules and thinking they can get away with it because they own the site

@Mason Edwards no one pushes real leftist ideals lol they push what they think is maximizes their profits so in reality it’s a capitalist idea so if u hate ppl pandering to minorities you should be against capitalism because they only pander because it works for the majority of the population . Real leftist ideals is the dismantlement of capitalism thus going against all private property and means of maximizing profits . 👍🏾 hope you learned some

@Tahfy no it's already here for some people

@Random Serbian Guy Well, you heard the part about how it's slimy manipulations and corporate agenda disliked the most. Youtube doesn't mind the first one and likes the latter, because of money obviously

More prove that YouTube doesn't give too shits about the users enjoyment


I dreaded the day this prophecy came to pass. Now that it has, I'm glad. 15 second unskippable ads, back-to-back ads, sh*t recommendation feed, and now this. The camel's back hasn't broken just yet, but if this keeps up then the days of my YouTube addition are numbered.

I'll be a happier and more productive person for it, once YouTube finally does something completely intolerable.

Why don't ppl use ublock origin ?<br>I don't understand why would someone torture themselves with ads

Why don't ppl use ublock origin ?
I don't understand why would someone torture themselves with ads


It’s insane how well this video has aged, profit Emp does it again


Imagine how censored the internet will be in like year 2030


It's pretty straight forward at this point.
YouTube has no intentions on designing the website to be user or creator friendly. They have been slowly changing the site into an algorithm hell of sponsored/suggested videos, and with the way they have monitored their own dislike system already feels like the goal here is to control and manipulate people's opinions and behaviors. Facebook's already doing it, and that's the reason why that place is a far worse algorithm hell. I wouldn't anticipate change but I appreciate that Youtubers spend time to make videos that help everyone get on the same page, or even become more aware of what's going on right now on the website. Why wouldn't YouTube want to remove the dislike button & meter? They have the most disliked videos on their own website.

It's pretty straight forward at this point.
YouTube has no intentions on designing the website to be user or creator friendly. They have been slowly changing the site into an algorithm hell of sponsored/suggested videos, and with the way they have monitored their own dislike system already feels like the goal here is to control and manipulate people's opinions and behaviors. Facebook's already doing it, and that's the reason why that place is a far worse algorithm hell. I wouldn't anticipate change but I appreciate that Youtubers spend time to make videos that help everyone get on the same page, or even become more aware of what's going on right now on the website. *Why wouldn't YouTube want to remove the dislike button & meter? They have the most disliked videos on their own website.*

@Shnouth Before I even watch this video, you're telling me something as simple and practically harmless as a dislike is making someone suicidal?


I know this is still relevant as shit now, but I thought about something. Videos are a product, they should be able to give you something, may it be better understanding on something or just entertainment, they are a product, if I can't see that there was people who didn't like this product, how I know it does work or is useful? Bring dislikes back YouTube.


susan fell down some stairs as a kid and got some major brain damage


It's a real shame that Youtube has shown time and time again that it prefers its own corporate interest as opposed to the interest of the Youtube community.


If they remove dislikes, then they should remove likes as well.

@Boko Wasn't me who coined it, I had to look it up when I first saw i. Ratioing is somewhat explained in the video, as twitter only shows retweets, likes and comments people gauge how well received a post is by looking at its likes compared to it's comment count.

They should just remove all videos in general

I have no strong feeling about this one way or the other.

Evan the awesome gamer people also use the word like to compare things

What about removing likes, but keeping the dislikes?

I mean I rarely actually use either, so if all ratings were actually removed it wouldn’t affect me too much.

disliking comments doesnt do a thing anyways - just going to happen to videos as well

this post makes me feel completely neutral

YouTube will become TV.<br>Just wait for it.

YouTube will become TV.
Just wait for it.

<b>IT'S WORTH IT TO GET RID OF GOODTHINK IF IT ALSO REMOVES BADTHINK!!!</b>

*IT'S WORTH IT TO GET RID OF GOODTHINK IF IT ALSO REMOVES BADTHINK!!!*

Without a balance, there will be an inbalance and no one likes an unbalanced society

@PurelySatire On second thought, fuck playing videos too.

I mean, he does explain how reddit is just as much, if not more, of a cesspool because of that

I mean they already removed dislikes from comments

I mean... There's already a feature that does exactly that.

An_Annoying_Cat now that’s perfectly balanced

Without dislikes, likes OR comments, YouTube will indeed become the next/alternative television, just like EmpLemon said in his “YouTube on a Downward Spiral” video.

If they remove dislikes then ratio-ing will become a thing though.


Got to love EmpLemon, Man was our Oracle of Delphi.


If the problem is “people coming to a video and disliking it without even watching it”, I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just make the weight of a user’s dislike on the total count scale to watch time.


We are proud to announce that our new feature of removing dislikes has been a resounding success and made the platform much better overall. No longer will small creators be harassed by unscrupulous and perfidious dislike mobs. As calculated by our researchers, the initial outrage over removing the feature was overrepresented and the vast majority of viewers have grown to accept and even like the new feature.


If they're removing the dislike button, they better bring back the star rating system

@edible knivess did you just eat edible knives?

But then the dISLikE mOBs could spam videos with 1 star ratings!!111!!

I'm not sure why google would do that, If anything I thought google hated old youtube with a passion.


To think this was at one point 2 month old news that we all sighed in relief at the thought of it going nowhere.


Welp. They actually gone and did it. GG Youtube.


It's official, Nintendo is more reasonable than YouTube (Mario Maker 2 has a dislike button)


"That's a step closer to twitter and that is NOT somewhere anyone wants youtube to go."

Damn. That really put things in perspective.


That wine aged so well, that it's saddening.<br>it's happening...

That wine aged so well, that it's saddening.
it's happening...


this aged well. then again we always knew it would.


I thought they didn't have the guts to do it, but now they've half ruined this place.


This aged just as well as a bottle of the finest wine from Côte-d'Or.

@Nikoloz Gilles "right wingers" lmfao no, it's just normal people who disagree with it.

youtube is just mad the covid information videos they've been putting out are getting ratioed by right wingers, (and im not talking about ronaldo) that's the only reason i can think of, we were getting along fine with dislikes before. i can understand but wrecking the whole site like this is like throwing a temper tantrum


Removing the dislike counter is gaslighting 101. <br>When the dislikes started rolling in on the White House yt channel it was a done deal!

Removing the dislike counter is gaslighting 101.
When the dislikes started rolling in on the White House yt channel it was a done deal!


Seeing Emp going after FoldingIdeas is like watching my parents file for divorce.


Hmm.. YouTube might not be a good company after all

Who would have guessed


If dislikes were removed, it would be like twitter where a comment disagreeing with the video gets more likes than the video

@4nt only people @belk mentioned can reply.

Well, looks like this will be the new norm.

But here's the problem: you can turn off comments on YouTube. You can't on Twitter.

I just saw a post on Jonny Arnett’s YouTube channel (a pretty good basketball channel), and he claims they just hid the dislike totals.

Even so, I can see this video’s dislike total on mobile.

yeah. ratioing the video would probably be the only way if that happened

Some of my videos have more likes on the comments than the actual videos


Now that dislikes are gone, this is the first time where I've actually considered deleting YouTube...


16:20 This is the dystopian future we now find ourselves in.


You know, I thought I was gonna be content with that little extension that gives my dislikes back, but I feel as if it's going to resemble the comment dislike but with a counter. Think of it from a guy that doesn't have the dislike-returner or whatever you'd like to call it. Yes, I can dislike, but why would I if it doesn't show up to the majority of people as useful information? This means, as the person with the extension that gives your dislikes back, you STILL don't get an accurate rating of the video with the snap of a finger and have to dig through the.. comment section. Yeah. I'm going off of an assumption that not everyone is going to try to bypass this and youtube is going to maintain their position on this one, though. Maybe everyone gets the extension. Maybe dislikes come back due to backlash. Hell, the extension may be removed. I don't know, and I just want the damn dislike button back.


I watched this video and a day later dislikes are no longer public on many accounts, including one of mine. As of now, this video has 11k dislikes.


5:05 this is a good calculation Downs arrangement YouTube, should really easily benefit this accuracy the seriously!


you called it soooo hard and holy hell you were so right