The portal opening ability came from human Twilight sucking magic out of the portal to Equestria.

The portal opening ability came from human Twilight sucking magic out of the portal to Equestria.

+9752matt bet this would get twilights there a lot quicker http://uotapo.deviantart.com/art/A-SNITCH-567439903

+9752matt bet this would get twilights there a lot quicker http://uotapo.deviantart.com/art/A-SNITCH-567439903

+RubberyCat now the way you explained it makes a bit more sense about sunset uses her magic when she writes in the book to send a message to twilight and thats how the portal effects them both. Cause I thought the book has its own magic cause sunset wasn't an element till the end of the 2nd movie. In the 3rd one when sunset was getting drained the portal was in the cross fire cause when the girls power up there magic gets drained and sunset wasn't able to do that yet and when she had her hand on the portal both hers and the portal magic was active. <br>2. Now it gots me thinking if sunset was using her magic to send messages then that might what set the pendent off before she got it.

+RubberyCat now the way you explained it makes a bit more sense about sunset uses her magic when she writes in the book to send a message to twilight and thats how the portal effects them both. Cause I thought the book has its own magic cause sunset wasn't an element till the end of the 2nd movie. In the 3rd one when sunset was getting drained the portal was in the cross fire cause when the girls power up there magic gets drained and sunset wasn't able to do that yet and when she had her hand on the portal both hers and the portal magic was active.
2. Now it gots me thinking if sunset was using her magic to send messages then that might what set the pendent off before she got it.

@a1000face88
Matt's hypothesis builds on that the "letter books" in themselves was unable to bridge the gap between the two worlds.
There is no real proof of this, but if one follows the hypothesis, it results in Sunset using a bit of Her magic to make the books bridge the gap, abridge now infused with some of Sunset's magic.
Twilight duplicates the bridge onto the Portal, making the Portal relate to Sunset's magic.

Then, (and here comes Matt's potential proof,) Sunset activates the Portal, and the energy drained from the portal looks like Sunset's energy, not like the portal's own.
This is then followed up in the end fight, with Angel Sunset easily closing the rifts that Twilight created.

What I see, or think, is that it is more probable that the books already could bridge the worlds, that the portal drained energy from sunset because it was drained, and that Sunset easily closed the rifts, because that is what the Elements of Harmony do.

Matt do not agree with me that those are more probable explanations.

It's as simple as that, as neither of us really knows.

@a1000face88
Matt's hypothesis builds on that the "letter books" in themselves was unable to bridge the gap between the two worlds.
There is no real proof of this, but if one follows the hypothesis, it results in Sunset using a bit of Her magic to make the books bridge the gap, abridge now infused with some of Sunset's magic.
Twilight duplicates the bridge onto the Portal, making the Portal relate to Sunset's magic.

Then, (and here comes Matt's potential proof,) Sunset activates the Portal, and the energy drained from the portal looks like Sunset's energy, not like the portal's own.
This is then followed up in the end fight, with Angel Sunset easily closing the rifts that Twilight created.

What I see, or think, is that it is more probable that the books already could bridge the worlds, that the portal drained energy from sunset because it was drained, and that Sunset easily closed the rifts, because that is what the Elements of Harmony do.

Matt do not agree with me that those are more probable explanations.

It's as simple as that, as neither of us really _knows_.

+9752matt I wrote that to rubberyCat to see if he feels the same way i do cause this won't be the first time I went through this kind of thing. if he does reply then it won't make a difference to you 2s situation you made peace be done I just wanna talk to someone else on the subject to see what they think

@*****
I do not think a1000face88 is a troll, but that he reacted a bit like me on your comments to begin with. You did come off as if you said "This is The Truth" even if you didn't mean it, but I know that I fall into that trap on occasion as well, mostly because I often do assume that i'm correct .... >.< .

Anyway, I have some experience in trying to understand others viewpoints, and I guess he doesn't.
Also, when one goes confrontational in a discussion, it tend to not lead much longer anyway, quality-wise, and I guess he didn't know that ether.

I hope I did you well enough justice in my reply to him.

+9752matt 4. I'm not gonna stir up trouble over some kids show cause like you I say things the way I see thing write them down and I get the weirdest replays like the ones I get right now and when I ask for proof of what they tell me is true I get nothing. That just tells me people like you just rub it in other people's faces just to prove that you say you know more than they do.

@a1000face88
Matt do currently not understand the points I have made where we disagree.
This is very similar to some points you have made, but he did not get what you meant either.

His hypothesis that it was Sunset's magic that eventually resulted in the portal being open is not directly supported anywhere, but it do fit, depending on how one looks at it.
He see it as very probable, while I see it as unlikely, but possible.

He tends to explain this as if it is The Truth (yes Matt, it do easily read that way, even if you don't mean it), but really, so do I, and it has put me in arguments a few times by now.
Some of which I partially regret.

Also, be careful when you call someone else's reasoning BS, because that is confrontational, and might worsen the situation instead of help it, and in this case, it wasn't really BS, it was merely a different reasoning, seeing a pattern that may or may not be correct.

+9752matt 1.all I've been asking for proof of where you get your info twice now and you still fail to show me any evidence all you have been doing is saying this person saying this and that and I'm not see anything to back up your theory's.
2. The way I come up with my theory's is what I see and hear of what's in front of me cause from the people who make the show hearing your theory's dosnt makes sense to me at all cause it sounds like you made it up and I never hear it from the show or movies. It's gets me thinking why should I go by your theory's if you have nothing to to prove of what you say is true.
3.what I'm seeing now is that I got you trapped in corner cause you have nothing to back you up on what your telling me and now you continue to avoid what I'm asking for by calling me a troll( what ever that is?) and saying I'm trying to stir up trouble cause you saw my reply to that other rubbery cat you made peace with I only care what I he has to say cause I wrote to him.

+RubberyCat i know what your going through I don't see what is the point of talking to someone who keeps changing the answer to a question you ask them from the very start if they are just gonna keep pushing another topic of a answer that has nothing do with what your asking them just so that they can come up with an excuse to change there answer cause you (and me)keep finding a flaws in there theory. It's like a never ending cycle of BS just because that person is to stubborn to admit they are wrong cause they lack the evidence and proof of what they are saying is true

+9752matt I'm still waiting for my proof I asked for. proof of your theory of sunset connection to the portal and how they work and her being the 7th element cause you continue to spout and change the answers of one of the questions I talked about earlier

@***** I guess the only thing that remains is to agree that we disagree, since we don't draw the same conclusions for whatever reasons it may be.
You don't understand why I draw those conclusions despite me having explained it quite a few times, and I keep on disagreeing about your conclusions despite seeing your points.

Essentially, we are not getting anywhere, either of us.
It may be best to stop arguing about it, and give it a rest, and give ourselves a rest.

@*****
Ack, another long one. Sorry.

I was not talking about the power, I was talking about her form.
Sci-Twi (as some call human Twilight), had already encountered some friendship and learned a little from it, so that might have made her technically more attuned to the concentrated magic, and that was why she didn't get "all demon" like Sunset did at first.
I find that just as probable as the addition of Empathy.

She still got power-mad of course.

As for my argumentation is downplaying Sunset's own magic:
Sunset has only done something similar to pony up of herself once thus far, and the studio has said that it was symbolical, but they might change on that point, like they did on EqG not being canon, now indeed being canon.
In Friendship Games she was also still uncertain about her own place, and that coupled with her just understanding Friendship ....
Of Course she isn't very powerful! ... Yet!

She is powerful enough to take the place of Friendship/Twilight if need be, and her Empathy and if need be Guts were strong enough to realize she could and had to, and to do it.

To me, connecting her to the Portal is something that may downplay her magic, as if she can't do it while fuelled by the other Elements.
After all, The six Elements did clean the entire ponyville and surroundings from Discord's influence once in a matter of seconds; Discord, who obviously is capable of making rift portals by himself!

As said, that is What the Elements Does.
And Sunset is powerful enough and knows enough to replace Twilight as the Focus if need be.

Also, another possible indicator of how powerful Sunset may be, is if "My past is not today" is more than symbolical, and her Angel form also indicates this:
Her wings are FIRE.
She Chose her own form, and if the video is more than symbolical, she did it Before the others started Pony Up by merely being true to their Elements.

I think we both go by a mix of Occam's Razor and "Two coincidences is probably no coincidence", we just seem to consider some different things more important.

@*****
Ack, another long one. Sorry.

I was not talking about the power, I was talking about her form.
Sci-Twi (as some call human Twilight), had already encountered some friendship and learned a little from it, so that might have made her technically more attuned to the concentrated magic, and that was why she didn't get "all demon" like Sunset did at first.
I find that just as probable as the addition of Empathy.

She still got power-mad of course.

As for my argumentation is downplaying Sunset's own magic:
Sunset has only done something similar to pony up of herself once thus far, and the studio has said that it was symbolical, but they might change on that point, like they did on EqG not being canon, now indeed being canon.
In Friendship Games she was also still uncertain about her own place, and that coupled with her just understanding Friendship ....
Of Course she isn't very powerful! ... Yet!

She is powerful enough to take the place of Friendship/Twilight if need be, and her Empathy and if need be Guts were strong enough to realize she could and had to, and to do it.

To me, connecting her to the Portal is something that _may_ downplay her magic, as if she can't do it while fuelled by the other Elements.
After all, The six Elements did clean the entire ponyville and surroundings from Discord's influence once in a matter of seconds; Discord, who obviously is capable of making rift portals by himself!

As said, that is What the Elements Does.
And Sunset is powerful enough and knows enough to replace Twilight as the Focus if need be.

Also, another possible indicator of how powerful Sunset may be, is if "My past is not today" is more than symbolical, and her Angel form also indicates this:
Her wings are FIRE.
She Chose her own form, and if the video is more than symbolical, she did it Before the others started Pony Up by merely being true to their Elements.

I think we both go by a mix of Occam's Razor and "Two coincidences is probably no coincidence", we just seem to consider some different things more important.

+9752matt the error here is that I never heard any of the stuff that you've been telling me from the movies themselves.
1. (Your answer)Sunset is somehow connected with the portal that makes it work.(my answer) twilight makes her own portal that works any time she want now cause with the 2 books both her and sunset have that keeps them in contact with each other.
2. (Your answer) mysterious nature of the 7th element (my answer) 7th element never heard of it.
So what I'm asking is do you have any of these 2 proofs you've been telling me about from show and movies them selfs or are they just theories you heard from other Bronie videos like the one were are using to keep in contact with each other.
Plus we dont even know if twilight was still able to connect  with sunset with the magic stolen cause not once we see sunsets book go off before she showed up at the end

@***** I currently don't feel very well for other reasons, but i'll try to explain anyway:
It isn't so much as transferring a value(how often), as it is copying an ability (always).

On Twilights "demon" form:
So the what do you think of the idea that she may actually had embraced a bit of the friendship shown her by mainly Fluttershy, AJ, Pinkie and Dashie?

As you don't speak in absolutes, I have far less problems with your hypothesis, although I still ... hmmm ..... kind of disagree, but really, I have no theory that explains it all, except that it may be that the Studio itself may have made some errors and/or overlooked a few things.

+9752matt ok what you said sounds like your making it up or you not listening carefully enough. At first the portal was only able to work at a certain time period but in the second movie twilight was able to make it work 25/8. I'm sure the reason twilight didn't respond cause somethings about a time problem thing she dealing with in the after credits in the 3rd( which I bet takes place in next weeks season finale episode ) or shes not around the book when it goes off cause we don't know where she keeps it or the portal in her castle.

@*****
Wow, this became long ... but it's interesting.
It seems you are growing tired of the topic as well..
What I have problem with, is not so much your hypothesis concerning it, but that you give the impression of talking in absolutes, and think that I do to.

Sunset had to give up some of her magic to prevent her being stuck when the portal closed.
However, the Device has only been shown to react and absorb magic that was active, like the ponied up humane 6, and the portal while Sunset touched it.

And I still disagree with you about there being clear proof that Sunset is connected to the portal.
Indications that it might be so, yes, but not clear proof.

As for the other topic...
You are looking from the same perspective and assumption that, and I understand that even though I still disagree on its validity.
However.
The idea sounds valid enough to discuss.

Ok, then if I propose this:
Connection to the Portal or not, the Device absorbed a lot(if not all) of Sunset's magic along with the Portal, if only because she was stuck on it.

In the last fight, Human Twilight was indeed more powerful than Sunset, because consciously or not, she is still the 6'th element, so she had one element more.
..... But the real point was the Form she took ....
Hm, I'm not sure that is what affected their forms.

Remember, Sunset was relying on Ambition, and searching for Power.

Twilight was relying on Science, and even though she'd claim to be looking for knowledge, she was also looking for a way away from an oppressive school, thinking friendship didn't exist.
Yet she got a taste of it, from a rival school, no less, and we can assume that Twilight is a fast learner, so even as "Midnight Sparkle", her "Demon form" could have been a bit tempered by knowing that friendship do exist.

+9752matt I thought the only way the portal was able to stay open permanently was because twilight made her own portal and she uses a book she has and the portal only works cause sunset has her own book in the human world

+9752matt +9752matt the only way I can see the portals magic getting stolen when its active and since the pendent is only draining EQ Magic and since the portal is from EQ and that's its power got stolen cause Twi walked past the portal before getting rarity nothing happened.<br>And I only meant the ones that went through and changed witch is funny when sunset had that hammer and was gonna use it smash the mirror wouldn't it go through

+9752matt +9752matt the only way I can see the portals magic getting stolen when its active and since the pendent is only draining EQ Magic and since the portal is from EQ and that's its power got stolen cause Twi walked past the portal before getting rarity nothing happened.
And I only meant the ones that went through and changed witch is funny when sunset had that hammer and was gonna use it smash the mirror wouldn't it go through

+9752matt you do know at the ending the 5 girls still had magic to give to sunset plus we yet to see if others can go through the portal so far it's just been sunset , twilight, and spike we haven't see anyone from the human world have any effect of the portal

+9752matt you 2 sound so cute together.<br>Also I doubt EG4 is gonna explain how the pendent was able to absorb all of the magic cause it was all already explained in plan view 5 of the girls ponied up then boom magic sucked right out of them for sunset her hand was on the portal the portal magic was active and sunsets powers were returning to her but before her hand can go through the pendent was active and was going after sunsets magic but since the portal was between the 2 of them you can see sunsets CM the portal and she can't move her hand

+9752matt you 2 sound so cute together.
Also I doubt EG4 is gonna explain how the pendent was able to absorb all of the magic cause it was all already explained in plan view 5 of the girls ponied up then boom magic sucked right out of them for sunset her hand was on the portal the portal magic was active and sunsets powers were returning to her but before her hand can go through the pendent was active and was going after sunsets magic but since the portal was between the 2 of them you can see sunsets CM the portal and she can't move her hand

@*****<br>The portal lost its magic. The Device did not notice Sunset, as Sunset hadn't "ponied up".

@*****
The portal lost its magic. The Device did not notice Sunset, as Sunset hadn't "ponied up".

@a1000face88
Interesting theory, but considering "My Past is not Today", or at least the final battle in Rainbow Rocks, she already have that power, but perhaps it is still a bit dormant.....
Still, there may be something to it.

+RubberyCat +RubberyCat still make me wonder cause before the pendent drains the magic it's starts to go off when the girls pony up like when rarity was doing her element the pendent was able to track her from that far away but when  twilight was near the portal it didn't go off until sunset was starting to walk towards it before she touched it so my guess is when sunset touched the portal its magic was active and since sunset is a unicorn in the pony world her magic was starting to return to her and that's what set the pendent off taking both hers and the portals magic at the same time

@a1000face88
That's because the pendant drained the portal, not Sunset.
Also, the pendant did not react to the portal before, because it wasn't active, and it only activates when being touched.
That's my guess.
9752matt has a different guess which I find interesting, but he express that guess as if it was fact. ...But it is still interesting.

@*****
Oh, I didn't read everything.
I only read enough, and I don't bother if you admit to changing the subject or shifting goalposts, it ought to be obvious to anyone that read your and my convo.

You are a good troller, as you actually have some good arguments, but now i'm done with you, go trolling for comments elsewhere, or better yet, find something good to do.

It makes me wonder one thing the pendent was only active when the girls ponied up but with sunset she never did and yet the pendent drained her when she touched the portal

It makes me wonder one thing the pendent was only active when the girls ponied up but with sunset she never did and yet the pendent drained her when she touched the portal

@*****
Ok, congratulations.
You accuse ME of changing the subject, and yet YOU just changed the subject.

You actually made me furious ... for about 5 seconds, but now I know how you work.

Be careful with that little "gift" of yours.
Oh, and tl.dr.

@*****
You say that I say that things in the first movie doesn't have to be explained, when we both know that the important part there was the crown.

Then in Rainbow Rocks, the Book was added, plotwise, as a means to open the portal whenever, or indefinitely.
Sure, storywise the book existed before, but it wasn't used.

Where I think you are so wrong, is that you say that Sunset's power is linked to the Portal, and that she is the portal's guardian, based on three things:
* The Book activation that you claim were from Sunset.
* Sunset getting stuck while the Device drains the Portal.
* Sunset closing the Portal Rifts in her angel form.

It do seem connected, you are definitely right on that, and you might even be on to something.

However

Those three instances may easily be independent of each other:
* Princess Twilight makes the contraption to open the Portal by using the Book.
She uses the dimension-transcending ability of the Book to mesh it with the portal's, to open the portal.
* The reason why the Device suddenly notices the Portal, is because Sunset is touching it, thereby activating it. (Human Twilight did not touch the portal side of the statue when she examined it in the beginning.)
Sunset gets stuck because she touched the portal, getting ready to possibly cross over, when it suddenly loses the portal ability, possibly with a millimeter or two of Sunset's palm Into It!
That's why I would admit that Sunset probably had to give up some of her magic as well just to get free, as the portal is absorbed.
* And, again, Angel Sunset can close the Portal Rifts, because she has the Elements with her in spirit, and Restoring Harmony is What They Do.
(They did restore Ponyville from the massive changes Discord had caused it.)

Now, i'm tired of this discussion.
Essentially, you see a connection, and I see that you see that connection, but I clearly disagree and points out that the things may just as easily not be connected, and it is more probable that they isn't, but you describe it as if it was a done deal.

@*****
You say that I say that things in the first movie doesn't have to be explained, when we both know that the important part there was the crown.

Then in Rainbow Rocks, the Book was added, plotwise, as a means to open the portal whenever, or indefinitely.
Sure, storywise the book existed before, but it wasn't used.

Where I think you are so wrong, is that you say that Sunset's power is linked to the Portal, and that she is the portal's guardian, based on three things:
* The Book activation that you claim were from Sunset.
* Sunset getting stuck while the Device drains the Portal.
* Sunset closing the Portal Rifts in her angel form.

It do seem connected, you are definitely right on that, and you might even be on to something.

*However*

Those three instances may easily be independent of each other:
*** Princess Twilight makes the contraption to open the Portal by using the Book.
She uses the dimension-transcending ability of the Book to mesh it with the portal's, to open the portal.
*** The reason why the Device suddenly notices the Portal, is because Sunset is *touching* it, thereby activating it. (Human Twilight did not touch the portal side of the statue when she examined it in the beginning.)
Sunset gets stuck because she touched the portal, getting ready to possibly cross over, when it suddenly loses the portal ability, possibly with a millimeter or two of Sunset's palm Into It!
That's why I would admit that Sunset probably had to give up some of her magic as well just to get free, as the portal is absorbed.
*** And, again, Angel Sunset can close the Portal Rifts, because she has the Elements with her in spirit, and Restoring Harmony is What They Do.
(They did restore Ponyville from the massive changes Discord had caused it.)

Now, i'm tired of this discussion.
Essentially, you see a connection, and I see that you see that connection, but I clearly disagree and points out that the things may just as easily not be connected, and it is more probable that they isn't, but you describe it as if it was a done deal.

+9752matt yes but we wasn't shown the book till the 2nd film (rainbow rocks)

+9752matt yes but we wasn't shown the book till the 2nd film (rainbow rocks)

@*****
You assume too much that isn't shown, and disregards more probable things.

I'm tired of arguing with you.

@*****
You assume too much that isn't shown, and disregards more probable things.

I'm tired of arguing with you.

+Kyia & Emmi Probst When Twilight "unleashed the magic" the portal was re opened and the magic belonging to each of the mane 5 was returned to them but Twilight kept a portion of that power for herself when she transformed. My theory is that being compressed in Twilight's device caused the magic to become more powerful and that's why Twilight and Sunset were able to use it as they did. The book has it's own magic and has nothing to do with Sunset Shimmer's element of harmony. Also I think the portal would close on both sides but pony Twi was in the time lope so she had no idea.

@Kyia & Emmi Probst<br>I think the latter is more probable, and that Sunset still could close the rift portals Twilight created, because she had the Elements of Harmony with her, and restoring harmony is what they do.

@Kyia & Emmi Probst
I think the latter is more probable, and that Sunset still could close the rift portals Twilight created, because she had the Elements of Harmony with her, and restoring harmony is what they do.

+RubberyCat it could have been closed on sunsets side only<br>or maybe when she used the necklace it broke and returned the portal to its original wtate

+RubberyCat it could have been closed on sunsets side only
or maybe when she used the necklace it broke and returned the portal to its original wtate

@*****
No, the portal was already there, just closed.
Twilight was the one that transferred the constant connection of the books to the portal.
You seem to have misunderstood where the specific abilities/powers comes from.

@*****
So, you propose that the books only works between the worlds because of Sunset's magic?
I disagree, and I do not see any possible proof for your headcanon.

@*****
So, you propose that the books only works between the worlds because of Sunset's magic?
I disagree, and I do not see any possible proof for your headcanon.

+RubberyCat no one is the same<br>or has the same preferences therefore no one is perfect

+RubberyCat no one is the same
or has the same preferences therefore no one is perfect

@*****
Hm, perhaps I went at you a bit too hard.
Well, nobody's perfect.

@*****
Hm, perhaps I went at you a bit too hard.
Well, nobody's perfect.

+9752matt the reason they have a permanent portal is because or twilight using the book<br>look at te beginning of RAINBOW ROCKS

+9752matt the reason they have a permanent portal is because or twilight using the book
look at te beginning of RAINBOW ROCKS

@*****
* sigh *
To quote applejack:
What kind of fertilizer have you had your nose in?
(Yes, I wanted to quote that.)

One, from what I have heard(read), Sunset's Element is Empathy according to someone at the Studio.

Two, Sunset did not Pony Up, so Twilight's device was clearly not stealing her magic, especially since Sunset wasn't massively exhausted afterwards.
It is understandable if you think that though, I wondered if it was like that as well, for some time.

Three: The magic of The Portal was stolen, obviously.

Four: Sunset got the power to heal the rifts for one or both of two reasons:
The device still had a part of the portal's power in it, when Sunset used it, and The Magic of Friendship is said to be The Most Powerful Magic, but even if it weren't, it has thus far been unparalleled in Restoring Harmony, including semi-instantly restoring the entire Ponyville after Discord had messed it up.

+9752matt Yes because portals were opening before Twilight became midnight sparkle.

+9752matt Yes because portals were opening before Twilight became midnight sparkle.

+Aiden Berchtold no, humans and ponys but true

+Aiden Berchtold no, humans and ponys but true

+MrHappy it was amplified due to  the two worlds being so similar

+MrHappy it was amplified due to  the two worlds being so similar

+eviljbrian The portal has it's own power and opens "every 30 moons". The book may provide extra power to keep it open the entire time rather than in intervals. Then human Twi took power from the other humane 5.

+eviljbrian The portal has it's own power and opens "every 30 moons". The book may provide extra power to keep it open the entire time rather than in intervals. Then human Twi took power from the other humane 5.

@eviljbrian<br>Exactly, but, as noted, there is also the transformation matter.

@eviljbrian
Exactly, but, as noted, there is also the transformation matter.

+RubberyCat Basically the corners of the statue and the edge of the mirror acts as a barrier, thus the portal only filling the area within and no more. (Think of portals in Minecraft)<br>Where Twilight's portals could be any size, as they do not have that restriction. Think of it as the episode in which Luna had to restrain the Tantalus within the dreamscape. The more power a creature has, the more (and bigger) it's capable of creating.

+RubberyCat Basically the corners of the statue and the edge of the mirror acts as a barrier, thus the portal only filling the area within and no more. (Think of portals in Minecraft)
Where Twilight's portals could be any size, as they do not have that restriction. Think of it as the episode in which Luna had to restrain the Tantalus within the dreamscape. The more power a creature has, the more (and bigger) it's capable of creating.

@Kyia & Emmi Probst<br>The Science of Magic: How Magic works.

@Kyia & Emmi Probst
The Science of Magic: How Magic works.

+eviljbrian complicated. ..
but makes some sense.
in magic terms not science

+eviljbrian complicated. ..
but makes some sense.
in magic terms not science

+MrHappy () How about this: A portal may be any size. The mirror and the statue are there to give it a fixed form, but when removed from the portal, it has no fixed form, and even more, the transit seem instantaneous and it also seem to not shift the forms of the beings that transit! That means that the Statue-Mirror connection takes longer time, perhaps only so any transformation may be completed before the exit.

+MrHappy And not just by amplified by Midnight Sparkle, but the source of the power of the portal was on Twilight's side, coming from the book she used to communicate to Twilight with. I'm sure that if Twilight removed the book, the portal could still be powered. (either that or the book acts as a key) But the other power came from the magic that emanated from the rest of the girls as well.<br>Back in the first movie, I believe that the girls had the magic within them the whole time, however it was Twilight that was key to unlocking that magic.

+MrHappy And not just by amplified by Midnight Sparkle, but the source of the power of the portal was on Twilight's side, coming from the book she used to communicate to Twilight with. I'm sure that if Twilight removed the book, the portal could still be powered. (either that or the book acts as a key) But the other power came from the magic that emanated from the rest of the girls as well.
Back in the first movie, I believe that the girls had the magic within them the whole time, however it was Twilight that was key to unlocking that magic.

She probably did, but the portal she absorbed was 1/2 meters tall while the one she opened covered the entire floor. Her power was definitely amplified by her evil form.

She probably did, but the portal she absorbed was 1/2 meters tall while the one she opened covered the entire floor. Her power was definitely amplified by her evil form.


Im working as a scientist and we scientist believe that there can really be a portal to another world in some sort of magic we are working on


I think- You are the best mlp theorist I have ever found


I have to admit, I knew this was coming. Has anyone else noticed that Twilight Sparkle, Starlight Glimmer and Sunset Shimmer are the only few ponys (or humans) with 2 names? So if Sunset replaces Twilight in the human world, does that mean Starlight will replace Twilight in the pony world? Edit: Wait, have we even ever seen Starlight in the human world? Hm....


Notice how sunsets  has diffrent eyes in the pony world? This could assist her "Phoenix transformation" and-? But this could just be a design choice cause her old eyes where evil like stair lights bangs c:


3:50 THAT

Luna seems to go through same thing!! She looked shocked when she was about to turn into nightmare moon!!


I don't think Sunset wanted power tho.....she alredy had power from the momet her head touched Twilight's crown. What Sunset really wanted was REVENGE. She wanted revenge for being replaced by Twilight as Celestias favorite student but mostly she wanted revenge for being replaced by Twilight as "the pony/human with the most powerful magic".....in other words she was jelaous and I bet we all know where jelaousy can lead us to...


the most important magic of all, the magic of ✨f r i e n d s h i p✨😫💅


i think sunset is the element of courage because every time she ponies up/ has the power of friendship she has the courage to do so


Actually Midnight Sparkle was more powerful than Daydream Shimmer because Twilight got 7 (including the magic of the portal) Sunset didnt have her own magic. It was inside of Midnight Sparkle. So Midnight Sparkle got a higher chance of winning (If youre gonna ask me where's the element of magic is, its actually all of the Mane 5's magic combine makes the element of magic) Also Sunset isnt the magical bearer of the element of magic (She used to) But now it Sci-Twi becauss Sunset's magic is still left over in her.

@R sci Twilight represents magic but Sunset represents another element idk in the human world.
But Sunset is the leader of the group.
We've seen the   human five they represent the mane 5(pony)
So Sunset is the 7 element only in the human world. In the pony world there are only 6 elements

PinkButterflyGaming No. The magic that Sci-Twi got from the portal is Sunset's magic. That is why the magic is Red. And Sunset has her own magic. In Rainbow Rocks she has already transform with the Main 6. She also transform again into the Crystal form (another powerful form) in Camp Everfree. So Sunset has magic equals the other girls. She even has her own pendant (Elements of Harmony in MLPEG world). So...Yeah. Sunset is now in the Main 7 now.

PinkButterflyGaming- I see where ur coming from, but i feel like Sunset would be a much better bearer for the element of magic, as she actually has learned way more about friendship than sci twi. She also came from equestria.

@MLP The four wild sister's .h But the magic within Sunset was left over magic from Twilight's crown.

alexagianna maya well midnight took sunsets evil magic from inside which was more less powerful then The magic of friendship so i would say that midnight had a less bigger chance of wining and she just took the portal by accident also the magic from the portal had no magic it was just a passage to another world so she had no chance of wining the battle.

But Sci-Twi still remains as the human bearer for magic because she stole the left over magic from Twilight's crown (Pony Twilight) from Sunset sadly.

Oh... Oops forgot to say Sunset's left over magic from Daydream Shimmer is still within her aswell :P


Is it just me, or does Twilight’s cutie mark put me off with the starts around her... I don’t know why, but having three stars on one side and 2 on the other make me feel, “NOO!!! IT’S UNEVEN!! WHY CAN’T THERE BE TWO STARS IN EACH SIDE AND ONE ON THE BOTTOM? OR TOP? ;-;


lets be honest if demon twilight or sunset ever came to equestria discord would most likely win since only the magic of friendship sims to overpower his own chaos magic. great video btw


Oh just wait till you see legand of everfree. Don't get me wrong the majority of it was spot on. But sci-twi is the element of magic/friendship and sunset seems to be forgiveness of oneself and of others. Plus the portals magic was absorbed as well


The legend of everfree? Did you watch that one? There are elements of harmony in the human world AND they are in the human world everfree forest in a cave which looks like the place the tree was in


"*I want knowledge* " "*I want power*"<br> Where is courage?

"*I want knowledge* " "*I want power*"
 Where is courage?

Now that I know the phrase that knowledge is power, that shows how similar those two characters were


What if human Twilight and Starlight are the same element. Starlight can be Empathy and Human Twilight could be forgiveness. They both changed a lot and became better ponies or people. Like Sunset and pony Twilight.


I Still Think Twilight Represents The Element Of Magic In The Human World Because She Was Curious About Magic. And She Understood What Going On With The Gems When Rainbow Dash Was Using Her Power Too Much. Sunset Didn't But It Does Make Sense Why She Represents The Element Of Magic


Umm Twilight stole magic from the portal. There's a possibility that without that she wouldn't have become a demon. And also, Sunset was actually mean before. Note that Twilight wasn't mean before, just teased. And the element of magic wouldn't have given her all the power of its element. It may just be a rock but it's not stupid.


well to paraphrase a powerful magical being, "evil isn't born. it's made"


So where is human (NOT PONY SUNSET SHIMMER) Sunset Shimmer in the human world?

probably she never existed in the human world she can be the only sunset shimmer

i think she is the human sunset i think starlight glimmer is pony sunset shimmer

Perfect Kitties your theory just doesn't make sense

i think that human sunset is in equestria while pony sunset is in canterlock high so human sunset is hiding in equestria i guess

maybe a different hs? (short for high school

I have a theory that sometime after pony Sunset came to CHS human Sunset found the portal and came to Equestria. I'm going to assume human Sunset's life was, well not bad... but I don't know how else to explain it. But bad. So she goes through the portal pops out the other side as a pony/unicorn. Starts her life over, Celestia knows this is human Sunset so the balance is kept and everyone's happy. ~ Mintstar

ok thank you but on the changeling map there are only changeling places

queen chrysalis oh i don't know maybe check ur map?

nope im turned aroung do you know where ponyville is because im good now as i was always good

WAIT...are u going to FEED on sunset? (this is getting dramatic 😨)

hello sunset ( walks in in sorrow and being starved)

+Cookie's Wonderland Human Sunset were the hell are you your killing us

+Madeleine Hezel killed her XD BWAHAHAHHAHA

She probably killed her or, like twilight, she lives somewhere else.


You know when sunset asks what happens when you bring an element of harmony in to another world well I have an answer nothing happens the reason sunset turned into a raging monster is because well this lime pops in a lot of movies we all know that some thing powerful used in the wrong hands in dangerous sunset used the elements for manipulating not friendship when sunset then used them for good she turned in to a goddess because she used to for GOOD


What I feel about Sunset replacing Twilight ( breathing hardly)
Nope don't feel good.
If I may I will tell you the elements and their owner ( let's just say that)
Elements and Princesses ( this will help)
Loyalty - Rainbow Dash
Kindness - Fluttershy
Generosity - Rarity
Laughter - Pinkie Pie
Honesty - Apple Jack
Friendship - Twilight Sparkle
Now these people "made" their own elements
Forgiveness - Sunset Shimmer
Magic - Starlight Glimmer


Celestia:Sun
Sun Set shimmer:Sun set
Twilight sparkle:Twilight

If sunset had the power to make the sun set she would kinda be related to Celestia and if Twilight had the power to make the sky into Twilight (A time of the day) then she would be related to Luna it all kinda makes sense now Sunset Shimmer should instead have the power to make the sun set and Twilight should have the power to make the sky’s turn into Twilight skies so it could all kinda make sense In the movie


The real question about this human world is...

What would changelings look like there?

The real question about this human world is...

*What would changelings look like there?*


WHAT ABOUT HUMAN SUNSET?!??! SUNSET SHIMMER CAME FROM EQUESTRIA RIGHT??!??<br>( Did nobody think about that?!??!!)

WHAT ABOUT HUMAN SUNSET?!??! SUNSET SHIMMER CAME FROM EQUESTRIA RIGHT??!??
( Did nobody think about that?!??!!)

me too. but pony Twilight was the element of magic even when she was in the human world (final Battle in the first movie).
so maybe the human Sunset could be the element of magic too.
or Sunset is Really the 7th Element of Harmony. that would at least explain the Ending of Legend of everfree...
but you're still right. 😊


I think that Sunset Shimmer is related to King Sombra because they both have smoke forming in their eyes as if they were somehow from the same bloodline. I also think this because they both have devilish shaped eyes. This could be seriously true


Ya sunset wanted power Twilight wanted more to learn aka more knowledge but I think sunset is a replacement for Twilight sparkle what I am saying I think is that sunset is the other side of the element of magic like in when you are solving flurry heart remember that


How i feel about Sunset replacing Twilight no happy cuz first of all now the blue haired boy who likes Twilight now doesnt actually get to see the actual Twilight he feel inlove with just the actual humen one and to be honest i liled it when Twilight aleays got the credits and was also complimented and wss like a leader of the group


I love that there is a community of bronies here on YouTube I love this channel


I love that human sunset my replace Twilight as the element magic of friendship in the human world.


Yeah, Demon Sunset used 1 Element on herself that didn't suit her at the time and one was all is taken.


If im gonna be honest, I think sunset looked way cooler as a she demon. What can I say? I'm a sucker for cool looking antagonists!


sunsets transformation into sparkly goddes looked like when twily became an allicorn ;-;


"Not just evil for the sake of being evil!"

Cough cough Red and black OCs Cough cough

"Not just evil for the sake of being evil!"

*Cough cough* Red and black OCs *Cough cough*

Formerly Masked Jojoke that’s a fair point 😂


Ok but as someone said Sunset is probably Empathy. I have a feeling twilight is still element of Magic cuz she got telekinesis


I think that it was them running out of ideas for she demons in the frinedship games becuase it was either her or cinch


Wait. This is oldly suspicious.

Nightmare moon: Demon Human twilight

Celestia:  Human Sunset

////////////////////////////

Day breaker: Human demon sunset

Luna: Pony twilight as a human from the first movie.

Holy crap

@Isla Cotterell bro Sunset was Celestias student before Twilight

twilight is our future moon riser, sunset is the sun riser.

@Isla Cotterell  No they are different cutiemarks

@Fantasia Donut pretty good cant argue but may I state thats saving luna and destroying nightmare moon or sending her back to the moon?

*For anyone stil scrolling down, trying to make sense of this comment:*

They are saying Celestia and Luna are being replaced by Twilight and Sunset inbetween worlds.
Think about it.

1)In the pony world: Luna saved Celestia when she became ''Day Breaker.''  -In the human world: Twilight saved Sunset when she transformed and became evil.
2)In the pony world: Celestia also saved Luna when she became ''Nightmare Moon.'' -In the human world: Sunset saved Twilight when she transformed and became evil.

My theory: The writers either wanted to show how both words are connected as it is similar. (Tell the same story but the other way round this time).
OR
They wanted to show that Sunset was meant to be ruler, she was the ''first child,'' (Like how Celestia is the first child and Luna is younger).
Sunset is Celestias first student.Twilight was her second.
They were both born to replace Celestia and Luna, in figures of power, to keep the universe in balance. Just like Celestia and Luna did.

There is a lot more evidence I could bring to why they were meant to replace them, but I think that summary is enough.

Ps. If you are going to argue how in the Pony world, Twilight saved Nightmare Moon:
Celestia put her sister into the moon saving her from destroying Equestria.
The comparisons I'm using are when the person or pony first becomes evil, not later on making the theory not flawed in that aspect.

**For anyone stil scrolling down, trying to make sense of this comment:**

They are saying Celestia and Luna are being replaced by Twilight and Sunset inbetween worlds.
Think about it.

1)In the pony world: Luna saved Celestia when she became ''Day Breaker.''  -In the human world: Twilight saved Sunset when she transformed and became evil.
2)In the pony world: Celestia also saved Luna when she became ''Nightmare Moon.'' -In the human world: Sunset saved Twilight when she transformed and became evil.

My theory: The writers either wanted to show how both words are connected as it is similar. (Tell the same story but the other way round this time).
OR
They wanted to show that Sunset was meant to be ruler, she was the ''first child,'' (Like how Celestia is the first child and Luna is younger).
Sunset is Celestias first student.Twilight was her second.
They were both born to replace Celestia and Luna, in figures of power, to keep the universe in balance. Just like Celestia and Luna did.

There is a lot more evidence I could bring to why they were meant to replace them, but I think that summary is enough.

Ps. If you are going to argue how in the Pony world, Twilight saved Nightmare Moon:
Celestia put her sister into the moon saving her from destroying Equestria.
The comparisons I'm using are when the person or pony first becomes evil, not later on making the theory not flawed in that aspect.

Basically when Luna became nightmare moon, Celestia was Sunset since she was trying to stop it.

Wait...... But the mane 6 defeated nightmare moon, and spike made twillight change back......

NO NO NO there are Celestia and Luna in the human world already

Fluttershy: even tweets don't make sense anymore<br>Me: even YouTube comments don't make sense anymore

Fluttershy: even tweets don't make sense anymore
Me: even YouTube comments don't make sense anymore

@Isla Cotterell  that's a cool theory but it wouldn't make sense because there's already a human celestia and a pony celestia

I have finally made sense of what they are trying to say.

When Twilight is a demon in canterlot, she is taking the role of Nightmate Moon in equestria and that sunset in canterlot is taking the same role as celestia in equestria.
And that when Sunset is a demon, she is taking the role of DayBreaker, and twilight is taking the role of luna.

It still doesnt hold up, but at least i explained it. For clarification

DayBreaker was defeated by Celestia only after Luna helped her regain her courage

Nightmare moon was defeated by twilight and her friends with the elements of harmony.

Demon Sunset was defeated by Twilight and her friends with the elements

And demon twilight was defeated by Sunset and the Magic of the Elements

I was thinking about this when I saw the movie for the first time!!

...what if Celestia is sectretly human sunset? They are both sun related sunsets cutie mark is a sun and her name has sun in it and then celestia is the princess of sun


In my dream ultra beasts are like armagedon levels of effect and like I got overloaded with equestrian magic that I was turned from a pretty bad powerhouse to a ahh we are going to die monster and the fight happened on chs roof and I got token down by a rallgun that was about to exploded with equestrian magic and a push into midnight spackles and then 13 hours later i showed up again and even more powerful than before and now I got damaged badly and I lost so much magic i was back to square one and round 3 I was koed and I got damaged badly so I got hurt and mecha nega goaleus and cyber goaleus and I got damaged by a push


This kinda thing makes me sad that this isn't how it actually was. It really looks like this was fully the intention of the writers. It seems like they were told to go back on all their ideas, so they could force Twilight in, for toy sale reasons... Wait why am i saying "it seems"? I've seen the deleted scenes. This WAS the intention. To replace Twilight with Sunset. For Sunset to become the element of Magic here, and SciTwi go back to her own school. Sunset's position was stolen away, thanks to Hasbro meddling.


I think why they transformed with wings Twilight had that horn as in her pony power she turned into an alicorn at that point with all that power and sunset shimmer used the crown for the alicorn power and her wings so they both kind of became super powerful alicorns but as people and evil


wait Luna was also surprised by what the eclipse she brought about was doing to her... She also immediately changed when physically reformed...


Or as a possibility all six elements of harmony created a new element empathy because at the end sunset was empathetic to twilight because she had gone through the same thing as her


Your work is getting off schedule, Notion... THANK GOD. Some of your work seemed to be getting to the point where you'd run out of ideas and we're just making it to make an on-schedule video. Thank you so much for allowing yourself to be a little more laid back... as a longtime subscriber I really appreciate it!

+Brony Notion

Yeah I know. I'm working off the same schedule. I also know it took him a long portion of the semester to ease up and NOT do weekly analysis. I still say, this is a great step forward for him.

+Nathan Fleming He's also in school right now, which he mentioned in a previous video


Twilight and sunsets past before being frnds with Mane five was more or less the same!!!...they both were known to be bad frnds..and then ends up saving their worlds with the magic of friendship!!!!


I just realized first twilight saved sunset now sunset is saving twilight!!


So…… Sunset Shimmer is more powerful than Twilight!? But, what about human Sunset? We haven’t seen her yet. The next one should be about the human Sunset— wait, it will be the same as the movie Friendship games… But after watching this episode, I believe there is a seventh element of harmony. What do you think? Next vid will be about seventh element?


Interesting. I can see power meaning corruption.


uhh please mistake me if i'm wrong but wasn't demon twilight initially stronger than sunset shimmer? it wasn't until twilight saw spike's puppy dog eyes when she began to restore her humane self. so at the final battle in friendship games sunset shimmer's powers didn't really equal to demon twilight's powers.

not trying to prove anything, just making an observation.

@Emily The Mief'wa
I doubt that Nightmare Moon was stronger,Celestia was most likely holding back* as to not hurt her sister.I mean if my sister suddenly got all murderous,I would not fight her unless I must,rather I would call the cops and try to avoid any actual damage to anyone.
Also in the season 5 finale only in one of those possible futures was Nightmare Moon victorious.

*possibly the reason to what happened in Canterlot wedding,holding back to avoid collateral damage.

Yes like when nightmare moon and Celestia battled nightmare moon was stronger. then Celestia got the elements of harmony and sent Nightmare Moon to the moon

+CritterKeeper5 My theory is that their powers were on same level but Sunset was not using all of it as she did not want to hurt Twilight,while Midnight Sparkle had no reservation about using all the power she had.

Also my theory on how Chrysalis was able to win against Celestia....Celestia was holding back her power to avoid collateral damage(the room had other ponies in it).If you look at the Fiendship is Magic issue 5 then you can see that Celestia defeated a "powered-up" Chrysalis before,she also defeated the changeling army,caused permanent damage to the species and imprisoned them all by herself.Now I know comics may not be canon all the time...so we can take them with a dose of salt.
Just wanted to add that second part just to give some food for thought.

+CritterKeeper5 Well, they both used different techniques. The thing is, as I have said before, human pony magic could be stronger than normal pony magic. Starlight shimmer used the magic crown to gain all the powers of the elements of harmony, while Twilight gained the Human pony's magic, and <b>not only</b> that, but the portals magic. It would make sense.

+CritterKeeper5 Well, they both used different techniques. The thing is, as I have said before, human pony magic could be stronger than normal pony magic. Starlight shimmer used the magic crown to gain all the powers of the elements of harmony, while Twilight gained the Human pony's magic, and *not only* that, but the portals magic. It would make sense.


Have a theory

If sunset went to the human world as a pony then wouldn't that mean there would be a REAL human sunset?if so,what hapend to her?🤔also,have sunset we know and sunset from the human world met,and is sunset from the human world evil or good?so many questions yet so little answers,it just bugs me,tell me what you think


If she replaced her (which totally makes sense btw) how come when she “ponies up” she doesn’t have wings and the human twilight does this never made sense to me bc she never had a chance to become a (alicorn don’t know if I spelt that right) so why does human twilight have them?!?!


Don't forget the human twilight also accidentally took the magic from the portal to Equestria too.


Uhm about the crown thing I think that when she put on the crown she had bad intentions so the crown gave what she wanted power but the element knew that the case was to change her to good and another theory u should do
The theory
The crown actually played a BIG Role bc if sunset wore the crown with good intentions then it will give what it wants and she dosent need to repent, so just imagine sunset dosent wear the crown she would still stay desame and no one will know what friendship is and starts doing bad things  or do what she does in the past and that world will never learn what friendship is
Just a theory tho

Uhm about the crown thing I think that when she put on the crown she had bad intentions so the *crown* gave what she wanted *power* but the element knew that the case was to change her to *good* and another theory u should do
The theory
The crown actually played a *BIG* Role bc if sunset wore the crown with good intentions then it will give what it wants and she dosent need to repent, so just imagine sunset dosent wear the crown she would still stay desame and no one will know what friendship is and starts doing bad things  or do what she does in the past and that world will never learn what friendship is
Just a theory tho


Sunset stands for the beginning of the day.
Twilight is the beginning of the night.

Oh my god hasbro. When you end the show in the future, please let sunset and twilight take celestia and luna's place.

..oh and please make sunset go to the pony world somehow. It doesn't feel right she is so settled in the human world.

sonia deguzman i think Starlight Stands for the stars?????????

sonia deguzman i think Starlight Stands for the stars?????????

The SuperAnina well she already met starlight glimmer

The SuperAnina well she already met starlight glimmer

twilght really doesn't stand for anything but the element of magic in my opinoion

twilght really doesn't stand for anything but the element of magic in my opinoion

oh and twilight is the beggining of both night and day.

oh and twilight is the beggining of both night and day.

Yeah my name Sunset is when the sun lowers to then cause night time if i was Sunrise Shimmer then  you would be correct.

The SuperAnina wrong sunset means it is setting down it's the last of the day

The SuperAnina wrong sunset means it is setting down it's the last of the day

Henry Goh and Super Anina, season 7 gives insight that Celestia and Luna are both thousands of years old [Shadow Play]

It's the other way around, twilight is dusk & dawn (in this case, dawn), and Sunset is the end of the day.

Yunhee Kim I don't think she is cuz when we saw her transform in Legend of everfree, she didn't have wings.

In the EQG special "Forgotten Friendship", Sunset will return to equestria to seek help from Twlilight and even Celestia.

Angela Nazarali they are not born alicorns because the ep in season 7 where flurry is born they say "the birth of a alicorn is something equestria never seen"

The SuperAnina she did in the series i think in netflik the episode was called mirrior magic and guess what Starlight glimmer has a human form

The SuperAnina sunSET it the beginning of the flipping day! It’s the ending of the day

The SuperAnina sunSET it the beginning of the flipping day! It’s the ending of the day

Sunset is SUN SET, like the sun is setting! DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR

Sunset is SUN SET, like the sun is setting! DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR

The SuperAnina sunRISE is the beginning of the day

The SuperAnina sunRISE is the beginning of the day

Julia Cruz could you pronounce that in a less rude way...you get me right

Julia Cruz could you pronounce that in a less rude way...you get me right

The SuperAnina WELL KID SUNSET SHIMMER JUST WENT BACK TO PONYVILLE AND MET STARLIGHT!!!!! GO RESEARCH IT ITS REALLY GOOD

I was thinking the same thing,the best i can come up with is that they didnt have the budget and time to animate the horns on them.<br>Im just looking at this from a realistic standpoint.

I was thinking the same thing,the best i can come up with is that they didnt have the budget and time to animate the horns on them.
Im just looking at this from a realistic standpoint.

I have a question...<br>Where were the unicorn horns during the first MLP movie...? I mean, pony Twilight was an alicorn and Rarity was a unicorn in the pony world, but why didn't Twilight from the pony world gain her horn during the transformations of the first movie, nor human world rarity gain her unicorn horn? Obviously in the second movie, Sunset Shimmer gained a horn while trying to beat Midnight Sparkle, but Twilight didn't in the first movie. Like the Brony Notion stated, the powers that Sunset used came all at once, being used in harmony. In the first movie, the powers were also all used at once, and of course used in harmony. This is all just a bit confusing...I was just wondering where the unicorn horns were.

I have a question...
Where were the unicorn horns during the first MLP movie...? I mean, pony Twilight was an alicorn and Rarity was a unicorn in the pony world, but why didn't Twilight from the pony world gain her horn during the transformations of the first movie, nor human world rarity gain her unicorn horn? Obviously in the second movie, Sunset Shimmer gained a horn while trying to beat Midnight Sparkle, but Twilight didn't in the first movie. Like the Brony Notion stated, the powers that Sunset used came all at once, being used in harmony. In the first movie, the powers were also all used at once, and of course used in harmony. This is all just a bit confusing...I was just wondering where the unicorn horns were.

+Corgig123 can you tell me how to find your fan fic pls?

+Corgig123 can you tell me how to find your fan fic pls?

+Caroline I think that question may be answered in future movies, episodes, theories or comics in the mlp universe

@Caroline That my friend, is a good question which sadly has no definitive and conclusive answer.

My question is...where is human world Sunset?  (･･;)

My question is...where is human world Sunset?  (･･;)

SPARKLE.
SHIMMER.

=A BLINK OF LIGHT.
.......DO ANY OF YOU GET MY POINT?

SPARKLE.
SHIMMER.

=A BLINK OF LIGHT.
.......DO ANY OF YOU GET MY POINT?

SUNSET STANDS FOR THE END OF THE DAY!!!!

SUNSET STANDS FOR THE END OF THE DAY!!!!

+Nyanrainbow 23 but she can't stay princess foreve

+Nyanrainbow 23 but she can't stay princess foreve

i love the idea, but still, i kinda like luna

i love the idea, but still, i kinda like luna

+Twilight Shimmer love the name <3 twilight shimmer

+Twilight Shimmer love the name <3 twilight shimmer

+Cakeh MSP Love the idea! Then it would make way for another generation of MLP!!

+Cakeh MSP Love the idea! Then it would make way for another generation of MLP!!

AN THEN SUNSET WILL BECOME EVIL AGAIN LIKE LUNA AND THE WHOLE THING WILL START AGAIN!

AN THEN SUNSET WILL BECOME EVIL AGAIN LIKE LUNA AND THE WHOLE THING WILL START AGAIN!

Was a second...YOU ARE RIGHT THAT IS SO GOOD

Was a second...YOU ARE RIGHT THAT IS SO GOOD

you posted this the day before my birthday!

you posted this the day before my birthday!

Wait a minute... Twilight could replace Celestia, Sunset Shimmer could replace Luna, and PRINCESS FLURRY HEART COULD REPLACE CADENCE!!!
After all, Cadence is Celestia's neice, So when Twilight Sparkle is taking Celestia's place, princess flurry heart would be Twilight( Replacement of Celestia )'s neice. Also, she could take Cadence's place because she is THE daughter of CADENCE! Also, Twilight could replace Celestia because she became a princess before Sunset Shimmer did, and that's why I said Sunset Shimmer could be Luna. ALSO, while Sunset Shimmer possibly comes to the pony world in the future to be one of the new princesses with Twilight Sparkle, the Twilight Sparkle that wears glasses and lives in the human world could replace the element of magic in the human world that Sunset Shimmer once held when Sunset Shimmer leaves the human world!!!

BOOM!

+Jeahn Saberon yeah but Twilight became the princess first so...

+Jeahn Saberon yeah but Twilight became the princess first so...

@MyPropensity oh, but you said "starlight shimmer" not Glitter. but whteves

@MyPropensity oh, but you said "starlight shimmer" not Glitter. but whteves

+emmie r
+Jeahn Saberon
No, I mean Starlight Glitter. Not Sunset. In main pony land.

+emmie r
+Jeahn Saberon
No, I mean Starlight Glitter. Not Sunset. In main pony land.

+MyPropensity Sunset shimmer will be the celestia cause she is "sunset" and twilight is like the night!

+The SuperAnina <br>I think what will happen is Starlight Shimmer will become Luna. Twilight Sparkle will become Celestia.

+The SuperAnina
I think what will happen is Starlight Shimmer will become Luna. Twilight Sparkle will become Celestia.

+SerenityW0lf AJ you know what she means

+SerenityW0lf AJ you know what she means

A sunset is when it becomes night because its when the SUN SETS

A sunset is when it becomes night because its when the SUN SETS

i thought sunset is also the beginning of the night?

i thought sunset is also the beginning of the night?

+Angieee Ohmiguh you bwu mah mind OF COURSE HE'S HER ANCESTOR OHMIGUHOHMIGUH

+Angieee Ohmiguh you bwu mah mind OF COURSE HE'S HER ANCESTOR OHMIGUHOHMIGUH

+Wolf Lover 123 WOLVES  OMG I JUST HAD THE BEST IDEA

What if Trixie took the future ROLE of STARSWIRL???

+Angieee Exactly! Thank Heavens someone understands what i said!!! YAY!!!

+Angieee Exactly! Thank Heavens someone understands what i said!!! YAY!!!

+Wolf Lover 123 WOLVES So therefore Cadence will not be able to be a ruler of Equestria. I know that she wasn't there in all of the alternet world's pony-ups, but that is what the show has to decide on. So if Sunset Shimmer and Twilight Sparkle represent sunet and Twilight, they could take the places. Sunset Shimmer=Celestia and Twilight Sparkle=Luna. The two rulers of Equestria have to bring night and day. Cadence does not do that, because the only royal duty she has to do is keep the Crystal Empire in balance. So Twilight and Cadence, in my opinion, will NOT be the new rulers of Equestria, but Sunset Shimmer and Twilight Sparkle will. So THEY will rise the sun and moon. Cadence does not have duty in daylight and nighttime, so I think Cadence and Twilight together will not rule Equestria.

+Angieee Yeah, Cadence is the element of love, she just isn't used much to help save equestria, she's an alicorn, and the crystal ponies crytal up when in the presence of love, when King Sombra put a curse on the Crystal Empire they weren't in the presence of love, they were in shadow. Just my theory

+Gravityrises 62661 Cadence also wouldn't be taking over the Crystal Empire either. When Celestia and Luna quit their royal duties, she could make a spell that would bring Sunset Shimmer and Twilight Sparkle back from the dead, because Twilight Sparkle and Sunset Shimmer wouldn't live as long as Celestia and Luna. Twilight and Sunset are both alicorns ( The Brony Notion stated Sunset's reason of alicorniess ), both they were MADE alicorns. According to Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell, Cadence used to be a pegasus. All three are artificial alicorns. But Celi and Luna were BORN alicorns. Natural alicorns live WAY longer than artificial alicorns, because innatural alicorns still have their regular pony traits, including how long they live. Since Shimmer and Twilight would immortally rule Equestria, the OG Twilight could be the new sixth element of the human world.  So in my opinion, Sunset Shimmer and Twilight Sparkle would be brought from the dead to be the new rulers.

+Gravityrises 62661  Um Sunset Shimmer stands for sunset and Twilight Sparkle stands for twilight.  Twilight and sunset, you get it.  But Cadence wouldn't be able to take over all of Equestria along WITH Twilight. Cadence only takes over the Crystal Empire. Also, in one of the comics, it says Cadence represents a SEVENTH element of harmony: love.  You know that phrase Twilight said,"How many ponies can just spread love wherever they go?" She referred that phrase to Cadence because since Cadence represents the "love" element, she of course has her role with it. I mean, if Cadence just saw some pony couple fighting over the bills, she could AUTOMATICALLY make them fall in love again.  She's already done it in,"A Canterlot Wedding." Once Celestia and Luna quit their royal duties, CADENCE, of course, would not be there, because she is not immortal. Nor is Twilight, but Celestia could just whip up a spell that would bring Twilight Sparkle and Sunset Shimmer back from the dead once they quit

+JadeKai Mies I think twighlight and cadence could interfere with night and day anyway.  They have the same alicorn Magic as Luna and celestia.

please do that Hasbro. even if hey aren't related BT blood or anything, you gotta make it like that. sunset,twilight,Celestia,Luna. I think before the show ends that her should make sunset do something to make her a princess so that it would make much more sense.

Twilight is beginning of night and sunset is the end of the day

Twilight is beginning of night and sunset is the end of the day

I think it'd make more sense for twilight to take celestias place cause you know. it suits a little better

+Anita Mendrek sunset shimmer might be a alicorn from my past is not today and friendship games

+Anita Mendrek sunset shimmer might be a alicorn from my past is not today and friendship games

+The SuperAnina well it would make sence but first sunset would have to become a alicorn and I think that sunset has some friends in the pony world so I think she should go back to equestia

+Sharier Ambia I agree but wouldn't cadence take clestia place I know she is meant to bring love wait WHAT how can you even do that.... never mind twilight would replace clestia and sunset would replace Luna

Chip wolf its probably a expression also this theory is bringing up a good discusion

Chip wolf its probably a expression also this theory is bringing up a good discusion

@***** omg when u done pls send me link omg pls

@***** omg when u done pls send me link omg pls

sunset can replace luna<br>twilight can replace celrstia

sunset can replace luna
twilight can replace celrstia

@Hazel Everitt I've seen those, it's even more perfect :D

@Hazel Everitt I've seen those, it's even more perfect :D

i f you want more on that I suggest taking a look at the deleted scenes

i f you want more on that I suggest taking a look at the deleted scenes

@Chip Wolf When she made the change to be dedicated to the power of friendship. Basically between during the time after EG all the way to the end of Rainbow Rocks. I wouldn't consider it a single moment, but rather a span of time.

+Henry goh That is quite the interesting theory. But when did pony Sunset die? When she became a demon or when said demon was defeated?

Actually, there's a book about that - The Journal Of The Two Sisters. It tells the story of how before Luna and Celestia, the unicorns, under the guidance of Starswirl the Bearded, moved the Sun and Moon, until they exhausted all their magic. It wasn't until the sisters took over that they didn't need to burn themselves out. It also tells that they were born alicorns, and that they aged at a much slower rate than normal ponies - hence being able to live for a thousand years.

@Henry goh We don't know that, there bas been barely any backstory reveal. who knows? maybe celestia and luna were just unicorns once too while some other alicorn was doing the work of raising the sun and moon on her own.

+The SuperAnina Twilight and Sunset wouldn't take Celestia and Luna's place; the Two Sisters are pretty much gods.

Sunset won't return to Equestria, especially not when EG and the main series are dividing with each movie. It makes perfect sense that Sunset's happy in the human world, partly because she didn't have many friends in Equestria, but mostly because she's not the same individual as before. Her past lived in Equestria, but she was reborn in the human world as who she is now.

Her rebirth is strongly expressed in the phoenix symbolism. In her own song, it's clear that her past is not who she is now, and the manifestation of the phoenix is her rebirth, her life after death so to speak. Sunset won't return to a pony because pony Sunset died in the human world, giving rise to a human Sunset.

@Smilley MLK oh woops, i didn't even think of that. xD thanks for correcting me there

@Smilley MLK oh woops, i didn't even think of that. xD thanks for correcting me there

Sunrise, not sunset, would be the beginning of the day. Twilight can be used for either daybreak or nightfall, anytime the sun is just beyond the horizon.


All I can ever think after hearing these videos is, "mind BLOWN"


Twilight take all the magic of all five elements of harmony and became Evel but after that when sunset take all the magic from elements she just became powerful.Why?


Moral of the story : Anyone can just steal that crown and be a demon


honestly... i don’t like sci twi! the human twilight. i wanted sunset to be the replacement twilight, but now sci twi is in the pack sunset is the seventh and it makes sense for there to be a powerful six in both universes. so i just wish sci twi would go back to crystal prep or something. >:-( ok rant over.


dose anyone else think that evil twi looks like alicorn w/ bird wings?


Okay so sunset shimmer replaces pony twilight sparkle as the element of magic and then sunset saves human twilight sparkle however human twilight also becomes part of the elements of harmony right? So what is human twilight's element?


I know this vid was a long time ago but twilight was able to open portals because when she was taking sunsets magic she was also taking the portals magic


It makes sence because sunset shimmer only got the crown and midnight sparkle got the mane 6 magic and sunset's which make midnight sparkle stronger.

Well the sunset with that heavenly wings had a power same as midnight because midnight twilight was not at canterlot high that's why she needed sunsets magic like sunset is the human world vershion of twilight, Well the puppy dog eyes made midnight desracted and sunset was able to to best her.

Also sunset didn't need twilights magic to become heavenly, Sunset IS the element of magic in the human world while human twilight is still not.
Like pony world mane 6 they have a villan who becomes good, Well that's starlight.


0:29
*derp face*
the magic of FRIENDSHIP

i’m sick of that line.

ThE mAgIc Of FrEiNdShIp!?!?!?!


After Friendship games
I think sunset doesn't weld the element of magic anymore,
Instead it got transferred back to twilight (human twilight)


I think that twilight that had come from pony land also makes sunset a little understand of magic of friend ship because sunset was also in pony land but she goes to the human world


I know I’m a few years late, but in my opinion, there is 7 elements, and the 7th is Forgiveness . As in my opinion, since in the human world, human Twilight has wings like pony Twilight, she is the element of Magic, and Sunset is the element of Forgiveness in the human world, as she had been forgiven, and Starlight would represent the element of Forgiveness in Equestria, as she has also been forgiven by the mane 6.


sunset actually was evil before she became a raging she demon. Twilight had no intentionsof ANY evil and didnt mean to steal the magic. well, she was pressured into destroying chs just to understang magic, but sunset showed less resisttance. twilight shows more


But I don't want twilight to be replaced :( shes aways been the girls' bestfriend and now shes getting replaced not only as a friend but as a main charecter. :(

Its probably for the best that princess twilight should stay because of the bad things happen, its only eg, and princess twilight should get replaced in the human world. Its only fair if she comes back, but not live there like sunset. Think of all the bad things that will happen in equestria and without the book too

Human twi deserves to be replaced she sucks, but pony twi is always #1

@ii.rblx.cousinzz :D
Nope. Pony Twillight is 1000× times better than Sunset. :I

"And in my heart, Twilight is the 7th Element"

The Human Twillight is not the Twillight I know..Screen-time doesn't always define the main-character...=)

@Maybeee<br>Yeah, that's why I hate equestria girls :I

@Maybeee
Yeah, that's why I hate equestria girls :I

Literally, that's why I was no longer interested in equestria girls

But it's only in EQG since she doesn't belong there anyway

@Maybeee I think Sunset only represents magic in the human world.
If Princess Twilight comes back she'd be in Sunsets spot. I just think Twilight Human doesn't really represent magic then Sunset, but Sunset kinda represents
Empathy or Forgiveness more

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@Kaelyn xox wait a second!!! I know who you are I watched your videos before!!!

Madi Bootsman she isn’t, she is just representing the pony Twilight. But it is a bit confusing at first

@A_WILD_ELF_CAT she couldn't be because Sci-Twi doesn't represent Magic. She never learned magic like Princess Twi. Sunset represents magic, and Sci-Twi doesn't represent an element.

In EQG, Princess Twi isn't the main character. Sunset is. It's her story of redemption and friendship, it's not about Twilight. Human twilight is just another step in Sunset's story, and clearly is her closest friend.

@Madi Bootsman she's not. She's just a unicron in Equestria.

@Annie Potts  becaues there isn't now there seven elements.

@ArtisticSymphony she is not geting replaced. Sunset is the seventh elemeat!!!

@Annie Ngo  thats not true! Sunset is the seventh elemeant.

Well no sunset just became the seventh element.

And the girls didn’t seem to care that there was a replacement!!

@Madi Bootsman she's not an alicorn. In her pony version she has no wings...but at her human version she has wings. What happened???(I'm talking about the twilight with glasses)

Milena Moskova Nope! She’s WAYYYY better! She’s the best pony/human!

I think it's great because it lets sunset and the rest grow with out the help of twilight. Also this is the human world, completely different from the pony world.  In the pony world, twilight will always be their best friend, but in the human world they have sunset

Sunset Shimmer Theroys games and more i agree

Twilight can`t always be in the human world she has thing in equstria she needs to take care of.

Dont worry shes still the main character of the main series

its ok. Sunset Shimmer is equaly good. :)

Look at my comment and that will tell you my opinion.


The real question is:WHO IS MORE POWERFUL?!


But now even you'd know that sunset is the 7th element as human twilight is reformed and is evidently the element of magic and would be an alicorn in Equestria


Someone tell me why sunset has bat wings with holes while twilight got perfect bird wings😂😂😂😂<br>Ok onto a serious question.....why did demon twilight get a horn and demon sunset didn't? Ok she had the crown...but even in equestria the crown basically just lights up..the horn channels the magic....if it was bcoz she was a unicorn initially.....why didn't sunset get it ?

Someone tell me why sunset has bat wings with holes while twilight got perfect bird wings😂😂😂😂
Ok onto a serious question.....why did demon twilight get a horn and demon sunset didn't? Ok she had the crown...but even in equestria the crown basically just lights up..the horn channels the magic....if it was bcoz she was a unicorn initially.....why didn't sunset get it ?


Wait, if sunset is the element of magic in the human world, what element does human twilight represent?


Sense of humor I'm pretty sure it's going to turn into an Alicorn secrets back to a pony wall cuz if you see her pictures and a rainbow rock aren't one of the movies she has a horn when she stopping the Twilight when she stopping Twilight she has a horn and I think deals with me so she might be


I know the element that really fits Sunset Shimmer i think empathy is a good one.


But Twilight Sparkle isn't the real one.

Because as you see in the pony world, Twilight Sparkle was an alarcon. Also before when the pony Twilight Sparkle went into that portal gate, she was an alacorn then.

And that human Twilight, she's not the real one because when the human Sunset Shimmer, Rainbow Dash, and the human Twilight Sparkle, they went into this yellow portal and down there, they turned into pony's. But when it came to Twilight Sparkle, she was not an Alcorn even though she was.


The legend of everfree just came out the fourth movie in that movie no  pony Twilight or a scene from equestria your theory makes absolute sense ! Great job!!!!


I think that Sunset didn't want to do all that she did as a demon she in the transformation, it is shown that when she first puts on the crown, she is worried and scared. When she begins to actually transform, it is shown she is overwhelmed and cannot control her power. Also, that transformation must have happened not just because somebody else wore the crown, but because it was Sunset Shimmer, a person who had travelled between the two worlds times before. She must have gained a lot of magic from that.


I thought everybody knew that the reason they pony up is cause they show the true part of themselves tbh


It is conformed, Newton’s laws are in my little pony.

“Every action has an equal and opposite reaction”


i think that midnight Sparkle was more powerful than Daydream shimmer is because we saw that sci-twi sucked the magic of the portal but sunset only used the mane 5 plus her giving Midnight Sparkle more power


Do you wanna know what happens when the element of harmony goes into an another world the pony world will go in danger and equestrians power will be lost


honestly I think there should be more equestria girls


Twilight : I want knowledge
Sunset: I want power
Me: I want video Games


God. I stop watching this at like 5 and I want to finish it so bad.


your right Sunset is the element and the human twilight is the element of forgiveness because she was forgiven is the friendship games starlight is the pony world of forgiveness why same reason for human twilight it makes sense they both represent forgiveness but not used all the time


Hmm... Well... Sunset's power was not equal to Twilight's. Up until Spike reminded Twilight of who she was, Twilight was winning a straight laser battle with Sunset. It was only Spikes interference that let Sunset turn the tables and win.<br>The original Equestria Girls Film would have benefited heavily from having a longer running time, with which Twilight could have uncovered hints at what the Element of Magic could do in the human world (Also add more characterization and time to make Sunset look like more of a threat). I wrote a fiction called "Face Down in the Dirt" coming at the end of EqG from Sunset's POV. In it, I invented a piece of lore claiming that in a world where magic is foreign, magic can stand alone, which is why Sunset could use it without need of "the Spark".  I agree that Sunset's original Demon form was probably less powerful than Twilight's, due to her only having the Element of Magic, Where Twilight had Honesty, Kindness, Generousity, Laugher, Loyalty, and the Power of the Portal (I am pretty sure that the Portal's magic is what let her rip holes between the worlds, as opposed to main power).

Hmm... Well... Sunset's power was not equal to Twilight's. Up until Spike reminded Twilight of who she was, Twilight was winning a straight laser battle with Sunset. It was only Spikes interference that let Sunset turn the tables and win.
The original Equestria Girls Film would have benefited heavily from having a longer running time, with which Twilight could have uncovered hints at what the Element of Magic could do in the human world (Also add more characterization and time to make Sunset look like more of a threat). I wrote a fiction called "Face Down in the Dirt" coming at the end of EqG from Sunset's POV. In it, I invented a piece of lore claiming that in a world where magic is foreign, magic can stand alone, which is why Sunset could use it without need of "the Spark".  I agree that Sunset's original Demon form was probably less powerful than Twilight's, due to her only having the Element of Magic, Where Twilight had Honesty, Kindness, Generousity, Laugher, Loyalty, and the Power of the Portal (I am pretty sure that the Portal's magic is what let her rip holes between the worlds, as opposed to main power).

@Skye Silverwing Sunset needs to accomplish or make new magic. Princess Twilight has already done it, creating new magic that's the magic Sunset is using.

True. There are a lot of magical rules that MLP and especially EQG tend to gloss over. Still, without Sunset Ponying up, we can't really tell.

@Skye Silverwing
well Twilight didn't. She had no clue what that spell did. But in truth we have no idea what are the rules for alicornhood. Heck we don't really know the rules of alicorns themselves other then being all three primary tribes and having a ton of magic.

Let's just say that Friendship Games made the possibility of Alicorn Sunset more viable.

@Revkor<br>Honestly, I don't think one simply creates magic without intending to. That said, it is possible Sunset is already an alicorn. We can't tell, because unlike the rest of the Human Six, we never saw her "Pony up" on her own in Friendship Games. She has had wings and magic before, but they tend to show as temporary. There is too little data to really speculate on it.

@Revkor
Honestly, I don't think one simply creates magic without intending to. That said, it is possible Sunset is already an alicorn. We can't tell, because unlike the rest of the Human Six, we never saw her "Pony up" on her own in Friendship Games. She has had wings and magic before, but they tend to show as temporary. There is too little data to really speculate on it.

+darkqueen gem I was hoping Human Twilight would be an antagonist for that but perhaps Human Sunset can fill in.

+Skye Silverwing why can't Susnet be an alicorn. Twilight got her wings by creating new magic and the Elements empowering her, Sunset got empowered by the Elements this last time and who's to say she didn't create magic from that. Heck with Cadance's alicornhood in a very grey area this is a big window.

@Skye Silverwing
Not necessarily.
Remember, the EqG-world may have equivalents of some or even most of the characters in FiM, but they are clearly different worlds.

Sombra is possibly a corporate director or similar, or perhaps something else if he hasn't gone cruel and corrupted.

I suppose, but the entire point of EQG was the High School setting. That said, I wanted Sinch to be Sombra instead. That might have actually made sense.

But who is to say it just has to be at high school, they could end up going to college together, meeting new people who are counter parts of the pony version, we might be able to see discord, sombra, wendigos, chrysalis, etc human forms. Better yet the pony versions of themselves have jobs, they could get jobs, or resolve issues around their neighborhood

@darkqueen gem<br>I doubt it. If this is the girls' senior year, (Which it would have to be, given the number of times Sunset has become Princess) then there should be less than four or five months left before graduation, and even with MLP-level event cramming, That is only about enough time to have one season worth of events.

@darkqueen gem
I doubt it. If this is the girls' senior year, (Which it would have to be, given the number of times Sunset has become Princess) then there should be less than four or five months left before graduation, and even with MLP-level event cramming, That is only about enough time to have one season worth of events.

Good point, do you think these movies are going to become series, it looks like it is pushing towards that direction

@darkqueen gem<br>Well, to be fair, Twilight's Talent is Magic itself. This is why she did not have any friends at Chrystal Prep, and why she felt unfulfilled there. It is also why she noticed and jumped on the study of magic the instant that it appeared. Still, she had more power than Sunset initially, primarily because she had absorbed the power of the portal, As well as that of the Elements of Harmony contained within each of the girls.

@darkqueen gem
Well, to be fair, Twilight's Talent is Magic itself. This is why she did not have any friends at Chrystal Prep, and why she felt unfulfilled there. It is also why she noticed and jumped on the study of magic the instant that it appeared. Still, she had more power than Sunset initially, primarily because she had absorbed the power of the portal, As well as that of the Elements of Harmony contained within each of the girls.

+Skye Silverwing  in other words when you really think about it, whether twilight is human or pony, she will always be more powerful than sunset.

because twilight is not just the element of magic, she is magic, at least that is my opinoin

Yes, Twilight was winning until she saw Spike and that caused her cerebral cortex to take over allowing her to think logically long enough for Sunset Shimmer to win.

@janaya vinters Interesting... However, I never allow myself the chance to underestimate the younger siblings.One of the reasons why I respect Luna, even though I like Celestia more...

@janaya vinters How, exactly, is Celestia obviously more powerful? Is it because we haven't had a confirmed scenario in which Luna has controlled two celestial bodies? (The key word is "confirmed"...)

@Marion Ette
Or Power Struggle.
Or Beam-o-War, a play on tug-o-war, as it is called in TV-Tropes.

@Jessica Moulds<br>Also, Sunset is still uncertain of how it works, and even a small hesitation might affect it, while even human Twilight probably is the will-be Element of Magic, and the magic resonates better with her because of that.

@Jessica Moulds
Also, Sunset is still uncertain of how it works, and even a small hesitation might affect it, while even human Twilight probably is the will-be Element of Magic, and the magic resonates better with her because of that.

+Skye Silverwing Also, Sunset's own magic. I'd also tend to disagree with the theory that the device removed ALL the magic, or the finale likely wouldn't have happened the way it did.

+Skye Silverwing Before I continue reading, the term is "beam struggle".

+Skye Silverwing she didn't have honesty,kindness, laughter, generosity or loyalty, she had the magic after they ponied up and the portal. sunset had all 6 elements true, that's why she didn't become a she demon

@*****<br>Magic did exist. The Sirens had it. The Portal had it. That was beside the point. The components of magic, Honesty, Kindness, Loyalty, Generousity, and Laughter, were in the human world already. Just not magic as a whole as it existed in Equestria.

@*****
Magic did exist. The Sirens had it. The Portal had it. That was beside the point. The components of magic, Honesty, Kindness, Loyalty, Generousity, and Laughter, were in the human world already. Just not magic as a whole as it existed in Equestria.

@Skye Silverwing
Magic battle, Power battle, Force battle.
Or why not simply battle?
However, as you were referring to that singular attack, "Battle" is an entirely wrong word altogether.

One might wonder if there isn't any word specifically for that by now, as it has happened quite frequently I different media, including at least twice in Harry Potter, once in FiM, and "God knows" how many times in Superhero fiction and Manga/Anime combined.
But then, there is the word "overpower" that could suffice, but it is not what you were thinking of.
......
Ah, yes!
TV-Tropes, "Beam-o-War".
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BeamOWar

@RubberyCat<br>I was using the term "Laser Battle" to describe the idea of two powerful beings with beam attacks standing directly across from each other and firing their beam attacks directly at each other in an attempt to overcome each other with the raw power of their beam attacks. Do you know of any better term to describe such a battle?

@RubberyCat
I was using the term "Laser Battle" to describe the idea of two powerful beings with beam attacks standing directly across from each other and firing their beam attacks directly at each other in an attempt to overcome each other with the raw power of their beam attacks. Do you know of any better term to describe such a battle?

@*****
Twilight did not need to "introduce" the elements into her friends. The individual Qualities of the Elements of Harmony Exist passively within everyone. What Exposure to the Magic of Friendship did was unite those elements into full-on magic, which I would imagine is what the Tree of Harmony does for all of Equestria.
I can't really see Sunset as an Alicorn either. I liken her transformation to Human Twilight's, since both used magic taken from the others to transform.

+Skye Silverwing () It isn't LASER. ("A laser is a device that emits light through a process of optical amplification based on the stimulated emission of electromagnetic radiation. The term "laser" originated as an acronym for "light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation".) I mainly agree on the rest, though, and Xavier has two important points as well.

Twilight also had grabbed the portal's magic.


Laughter generosity kindness loyalty honesty magic .......last two but not least.....Sunshine and ........sweet..starlight glimmer is sweet and sunset shimmer is sunshine


Ummm yea but the Legend of Everfree proved this wrong :(<br>Oh and Sunset came from Equestria and therefore there must also be a human Sunset somewhere in this world. That would make for an interesting episode :|

Ummm yea but the Legend of Everfree proved this wrong :(
Oh and Sunset came from Equestria and therefore there must also be a human Sunset somewhere in this world. That would make for an interesting episode :|


2 months ago you made a video explaining alicorns another back up was sunset only had one type of magic twilight had all and her formation turned her into a human alicorn


I don't want Sunset to replace Twilight because could be the element of magic


On my Opinion
Celestia is Twilight's mentor
Princess Alicorn Twilight from the pony dimension is Sunset Shimmers mentor
Sunset Shimmer is EQUESTRIA GIRL TWILIGHT THATS STUDIES FROM CRYSTAL PREP mentor

@*****

Mentor of who though???
OH OH OH OH OH OH
I KNOW....
REAL SUNSET SHIMMER FROM THE EQUESTRIA GIRLS

Okay since Starlight became good and is now Twilight's student Twilight has 2 students now and so... yeah and some people who are mad for example Yoav Gutman all i want to say don't be mean.

+Dreamwolf500 they all suck. SCREW YOU HASBRO!!!

+Anna Clara Marinho de Lima Tavares Well lets just say that Princess Twilight has two students (1) Sunset Shimmer from the human world and (2) Starlight Glimmer.

But now we know starlights mentor is also twilight


sawtooth waves: “this is hasbro leading slowly away from the pony world”<br>hasbro: forgotten friendship

sawtooth waves: “this is hasbro leading slowly away from the pony world”
hasbro: forgotten friendship


But if Midnight Sparkle and Daydream Shimmer's power comes from the same source and one was good and one was bad doesn't it mean Midnight Sparkle became evil just because she was greedy for power


Theory: when sunset shimmer became daydream shimmer I think she use the element of friendship instead of the element of magic and midnight sparkle used the element of magic


Didn’t they say sunset was the element of Empathy?


Human Twilight: I want knowledge.
Human Sunset: I want power.
Me: I want toys.


I’m pretty sure she is the element of Empathy.


If Twlight was never there in Equestria and sunset shimmer never run away and continue her studies in magic back in the pony Equestria I think sunset shimmer would be the one save ponyville and defeat nightmare moon but not only that, but she would be the princess of friendship .

Em Sunset chose to run away. If Twilight was never Celestias student, all of Equestria would be fallen apart. And where is Sunset? Right she is ik the human world and would always be alone. <br>Sunset never ran away because of Twilight, she ran away because she wanted more power

Em Sunset chose to run away. If Twilight was never Celestias student, all of Equestria would be fallen apart. And where is Sunset? Right she is ik the human world and would always be alone.
Sunset never ran away because of Twilight, she ran away because she wanted more power


For those who like the funny parts of this vid i recommend Round Trip


Sunset: I want power
Twilight: I want knowledge
Me: I want food


It's possible that the difference between Sunset and SciTwi was both based on intention and where the magic came from.  Sunset stole the crown to use it to acquire power (the pictures within Celestia's office seem to indicate she slowly became darker and more power hungry) and even says while threatening to destroy the portal that she wanted the crown while once she gets it; "like I'd destroy the portal" and indicated she intended to use the power of the Element to rule especially so when she says she wants to use the students as her "zombie army."  SciTwi only gathered the magic to understand it and used it to appease Principal Cinch in winning the Friendship Games, but when told she didn't understand the magic says; "But I want to understand it."


That’s an interesting theory. I like it, and I think it’s true 😉😉😉


Well one thing for sure midnight sparkle looks better


I think sunset and human twilight share the element of magic in the human world


I know how sunset has the element of magic. No one doesn't get hurt by just a  rainbow laser. Sunset was injured. Check out the scene again


Let me just tell a little joke. Twilight sparkle started her studies after sunset just like brony here said the sunset starts before twilight comes.

Does that make sense?


You should do a video on how every pony in the apple family is related


In her transformation, in equestria girls friendship games,  does that mean she's an ali corn in the pony world so if she walked through the portal she would be an alicorn because if I recall correctly she has wings and a horn in this transformation pls answer this in another video

+Sado maso True, but those spark wings don't really make her an alicorn now too.

Yeah that does explain a lot. That shows that friendship games is after my past is not today and before sunset returning to the pony world. I would also like to see starlight glimmer in the next movie.

@Neon Ring She transformedinto a she-demon as it was said many times. it has nothing to do with the "pony up" thing. In the music video "my past is not today" she used magic to form a phoenix shape too, but it has still nothing to do with any alicorn magic or forms. Look at twilight, she had wings in her normal "pony up"form from the beginning, and in the second movie, sunset "pony uped" too but only looked like rarity alike (unicorn) so this is also the reason why the she-demon in the first movie is not any kind of alicorn form. in the last movie she had a horn like the alicorn pony uped twilight, but her wings, just light that was spread from her.

@Arty Rarery how are those non-physical, non-wingshaped lights supposedto be wings ?sorry but you miss something important of the show I guess

She had wings in the first movie too, so no!

+Arty Rarery She doesnt had wings :) only projections ! Twilight had real (physical) wings. She is still an unicorn


Since we haven't seen Sunset Shimmer from the human-like world, well I have a theory that there is but she's named something else. Though, you might ask "but her appearance?" Well I think that she might just live somewhere else? I don't really know, but like bruh.


Magic, Music, Knowledge, nature?!?!?!? The source the magic is equal to twilight because Twlight wanted knowledge when she needed friends, magic Sunset wanted to be popular, have friends, instead she got KNOWLEDGE