Your mention of Alicorns becoming associated with royalty, more specifically princesses, got me thinking: maybe she wasn't an Alicorn at all. Maybe the idea of all princesses being Alicorns is just so ingrained in Equestria's culture that the illustrator just assumed that if she was a princess then she must have also been an alicorn.

Seema logical, not sure if the whole thing is 100% a story, it started a holiday somehow! SO maybe that whole love potion thing did happen, and then when it was written into a book creative liberty was taken to make her an alicorn!! I have a real life thing to line this up with, The Lancaster Bunny by Mary Haylock! People outside of Hamilton may not know of this, but this stuffed bunny fell out of a plane and was lost for a few months, and it was made into a book!! However, names were changed and small details about where the family was from (Ireland-England) and who was on the plane (Just the dad- Dad+Daughter) So having a real life event, sort of story-fied isn't a thing that doesn't happen!!

I feel like we all forgot about G5 over G4. Now they're both forgotten.

i would say the story was just an old mares tale in equestria but we all know that pretty much all of those turn out true

This is probably it!! It even makes sense with real life history!

@Lehla Quartz or the exact opposite. We have a lot of bias for young, fiery princesses too

I like that thought. Much how we think princesses are pale beautiful dainty maidens who need to be rescued.


A few related theories:
A) What if Cadance's mother was the original Queen of the Crystal Ponies before Sombra's takeover? The Hearts and Hooves day could still be brought into play here, and Cadance was conceived either directly or shortly before Sombra's rise to power. This would explain why Cadance was chosen to rule over the Crystal Kingdom almost moments before it returned.
B) Going off the "Queen Crystalise" theory about how she had been married to Sombra before he went dark. Once again, bringing to play the Hearts and Hooves day potion, what if they were the victims of this potion? The potion would've caused them to get together, bear a child, but something went wrong. Perhaps the potion's effects were broken, perhaps by Celestia, and Crystalise was enraged? She swore off love, left the Kingdom in anger, leaving her child behind and growing to despise it. She becomes the Queen of Changelings, effectively feeding off the emotion she hates. Then Sombra, a man who'd loved her, was corrupted by heartache when she left him. Celestia saves Cadance, the child born from this pair. Queen Crystalis overhears about the wedding, and goes not only for power but to also prevent her daughter from finding love in the same way she'd been forced into it? It would be poetic, using a "love" spell on Shining Armor to prevent Cadance, a child born from forced love, from being with her true love. This might also be why both Luna and Celestia didn't want to fight her since they were aware of why Crystalis became the way she did.


Sawtooth waves should be hired to make new storylines for My Little Pony so the show doesn’t have to end.

On Wikipedia it says that Luna and Celestia have another sister

I know but I hope they make a my little pony 2


Next, I kinda want to see a "why are the princesses hair always ✨wAvY✨

There's no evidence of it😂..........wait😳nevermind i take my words back because if they're royal then they would also have experienced magic same goes for Twilight because she experienced magic that would make sense how it is possible to have wavy hair.

Maybe female unicorns or alicorns can have wavy hair¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@•Amity• There's no proof for that so its probably not canon (sadly)

The most powerful unicorns or alicorns have wavy hair like in season 9 (the last problem) twilight is as large as celestia and had wavy hair.

TWILIGHT HAD FLOWING MANE AT THE END OF THE SHOW

I think it may have something to do with the amount of magic they possess because in the season 4 finales, when they gave their magic to twilight, their hair stop moving around!

@Brian Van Kirk you have a good point there

Haven't you heard? They have Alicorn pattern baldness. They have holograms to hide it 😁😅

What about, what was it like when luna was banished to the moon

actually, mare.....whatever in Rarity's story also had wavy mane...

True, but you see starswirl is older than them, he created most magic while still discovering more, and even he doesn’t have a flowing mane, he was possibly even older than mistmane but her mane was flowy, she only gave beauty & shared it, so how does starswirl the maker of most magic compare to mistmane?

Their manes age with their magic or something

@lakshita Dash it’s their power the more power the waver hair, the 3 princesses have wavy hair, because they are alicorn and have a lot of power as well as knowledge, but ur probs gonna be like, what about twilight, well Twilight is an alicorn, but she has spells yet to know, even she hasn’t mastered everything I mean even starlight’s more advanced, it’s also age influenced as well I’ve noticed, Twilight is still young as well as Cadence, the 2 sisters have been here over 1,000 years, and for starswirl, he’s not alicorn so he hasn’t got every ounce of magic yet, as for mistmane she was also on this earth for 1,000 years, she being unicorn was very knowledgeable, possibly even more than starswirl himself, actually creating beauty in the simplest of things, unlike rarity using a magic book that made her evil, but never mind that, her power was different, she created beauty, age must have also have had a part on this.

going back to starswirl I guess males don’t have wavy Manes & with cozy glow that was with alot of power creating a goddess.

hope this helps

I think because they are so powerful that it is depicted  on their mains but I don’t know why star swirl doesn’t have wavy hair?

@fawn  true but also cadence hair was all so wavy when a spell was casted

“How do you get your mane to do that all the time?” - cranky doodle donkey

I think it’s the fact that they have so much magic and it’s all just flowing magic in their manes

Actually not all the princesses like cadence doesn't have wavy hair but agreed 👍

umm in the final ep we saw twilight have wavy hair i think its that alacorns when they age their looks stay the same but their hair still fall out so the alacorns envented a spell to make their hair stay but it made it wavy. My answer. About mistmane she was the Princess of her home soooo she was royalty

That's because they're from a different Empire or whatever it is but Cadance (I think) and Twilight r from  Equestria

It is about magic. The more magic a pony has the the more wavy the hair that also explains how the powerful unicorn mistmane had flowing hair if I remember correctly and from the thing in season 9 where "grogar" explained through this visual thing about his lost bell it looked like gusty the great also had a flowing mane though that doesn't explain starswirl I think starswirl has loads of knowledge but isn't that powerful of a unicorn but yeah

Edit: and the fact that when Twilight gained all alicorn magic her hair wavy for a few seconds and cozy glow

I have come to a conclusion to that question! It might have something to do with their talent with magic! The sisters have been around for a long time, so they've had experience with magic, and mistmane, if you remembered the story, went to the best magic school!


Maybe it’s Princess Amore/ Princess Amore’s daughter as Cadence is a descendant of Princess Amore. Princess Amore is the ruler of the crystal empire- empire of love

@mohammed ismail no, princess amore was a crystal unicorn in the sombra comic

princess amore is cadence in sesson two she is princess Me Amore Cadenza

the only problem with this is that princess amore was just a unicorn. a crystal unicorn, sure, but still just a unicorn. not an alicorn


Fun fact: Cadance was actually once a Pegasus who earned her “horn” like Twilight was once a Unicorn that earned her Wings. This is mentioned in a book...I forget the name of it but it is cannon I believe.

@Raptor Zeraora It is canon. I have the book and it's confirmed by Hasbro. (I don't know much about DHX)

I think what everyone is forgetting is that Flurry is canonically stated to be the first ever "born alicorn" according to the princesses. The "earning her horn" story <b>HAS</b> to be true, or at least her earning alicornship somehow has to be.

I think what everyone is forgetting is that Flurry is canonically stated to be the first ever "born alicorn" according to the princesses. The "earning her horn" story *HAS* to be true, or at least her earning alicornship somehow has to be.

Maybe Cadence was pegasus bc she took some genes from her mother and the half from her father, she have wings (before she was a princess) from her mother and had no horn bc of her father think about it

@Nixon Varghese <br>I know pony🦄 Cadence♀ is pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀'s In-law sister👩❤👩

@Nixon Varghese
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The book's name was Twilight sparkle and the crystal heart spell

100th like time! Cadance was born a Pegasus, and in Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell, Cadance was said to be a baby Pegasus found alone in the woods by two ponies. The ponies raised her and I don’t know the rest I don’t have the book

@Raptor Zeraora Technically it's B canon, which means it is actually canon, though not in a way that would have ever been confirmed in the show.  As such, it doesn't have to be part of the canon you follow.  But, it is still an official work.

@Magi Sentry yeah I have the book as well (the full and short versions) but they are in a bin somewhere and didn’t want to rummage through it all.

I thought she was a Pegasus that earned a horn? Did I remember wrong


Rarity calling blue blood celestia’s nephew was actually what started my head cannon of celestia and Luna having a younger brother. I have no proof for this, just a head cannon.


Alicorns were definitely known figures. During the episode “The Crystalling” Spike pulls out an old ceramic piece of pottery designed with the detailing of the Crystalling. There, we see that the male in the image (who we can assume is the father) and a female alicorn (who we can assume is the mother) holding a baby. In fact, we see two alicorns . One was the honored Crystaller while the other was probably the mother. While the designs make it clear this was meant to parallel the Mane Six as well as Cadence and Shining Armor, this pot was made before any of them, which makes you wonder if clairvoyance was involved somehow, although it wouldn’t make sense since Twilight didn’t even end up as the Crystaller by the end of the episode. Either way, just thought it was a detail worth pointing out


My theory is princess cadence is the two pony’s from the hearts and hooves day tale foal and her mother was one of few other alicorns, if not the only other allicorn. Remember when we were first introduced to cadence and queen chrysalis in the canterlot wedding? How did she know how to find princess cadence and steal her life? I don’t know if anyone else noticed but chrysalis seemed to act like she already knew who cadence and princess celestia were from the past. It could be that Cadences mom was queen chrysalis (she probably had a different name before) and she transformed into the opposite of what the love spell was intended to do. But I thought when a changing is reformed they turn into bugs so that can’t be true. But then I thought all of the other changelings are different than her. None of them have allicorn magic like her. This makes me think that if she were to be reformed she would turn back into a allicorn. Also in that episode where she steals her life, it seem that she has a unknown past with princess celestial by the way she approaches the situation. Just my theory, I think it makes more sense.


Those are some interesting ideas, Sawtooth! I especially liked your explanation for how some of the royals of Equestria's past could have become alicorns by being exposed to magic—perhaps love magic?—from all three pony tribes. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us! ^_^<br>There are some odd details in "Hearts and Hooves Day" that might complicate your theory about other alicorns existing in Equestria. When I checked the MLP Wiki for the episode's image gallery, I saw that the illustration in Twilight's book featured a princess with no visible horn or wings when Twilight was showing it to the CMC, which seemed to indicate that she was an Earth pony princess. However, when Sweetie Belle was talking about the love poison, the illustration was different and showed an alicorn princess instead. Since no one refers to the princess as an alicorn within the episode, it's hard to tell which illustration was an error. However, I believe it would make more sense for the prince and princess to both be Earth ponies to parallel Big Mac and Cheerilee.

Those are some interesting ideas, Sawtooth! I especially liked your explanation for how some of the royals of Equestria's past could have become alicorns by being exposed to magic—perhaps love magic?—from all three pony tribes. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us! ^_^
There are some odd details in "Hearts and Hooves Day" that might complicate your theory about other alicorns existing in Equestria. When I checked the MLP Wiki for the episode's image gallery, I saw that the illustration in Twilight's book featured a princess with no visible horn or wings when Twilight was showing it to the CMC, which seemed to indicate that she was an Earth pony princess. However, when Sweetie Belle was talking about the love poison, the illustration was different and showed an alicorn princess instead. Since no one refers to the princess as an alicorn within the episode, it's hard to tell which illustration was an error. However, I believe it would make more sense for the prince and princess to both be Earth ponies to parallel Big Mac and Cheerilee.


You know their dedicated when they still makes theories even when the show has ended.

@Eva Young wha..?

How is this related..?

Look at their profile picture.. they’re nonbinary

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Wait! It’s finished! The last season I saw was the one at school I haven’t watched anything else

@deceitful dreams i know it wont i think if they want g5 to be as good as g4 was then they should have hired lauren faust and the same writers back and kept the same animation style the 3d stuff doesnt look bad it just looks weird compared to g4

I still wanna know cadence’s backstory 😭

@Clinton Schroeder I Kano about G5, but still, it won’t have the same vibe as MLP.

@deceitful dreams tecnicly the show in a way isant over g5 has been confirmed to take place in the same equestria g4 did just an unknown amount of time in the future so we could still get answers to some of these

@I am Start over Yellow I know, but now that the show is over, with no new content/ clues to answer questions, most people have carried on and left the show behind. However, it still remains as an important part of their life :)

I feel like we all forgot about G5 over G4. Now they're both forgotten.

@Aubic Grande No, I’m just saying, there is no more content to farm. That’s all.

:)

Do you think even when time’s passed, people would still be interested in reading fan stories & theories?? <br>Also, why just because a show ended should all conversation be stopped about it? It’s almost like it’s ended so everything just... ends. But it shouldn’t be like that.

Do you think even when time’s passed, people would still be interested in reading fan stories & theories??
Also, why just because a show ended should all conversation be stopped about it? It’s almost like it’s ended so everything just... ends. But it shouldn’t be like that.

@Domi Wez True, I felt like there were sooo many unanswered questions, but the finale was made so well, that people just sorta forgot about them.

Theres probably so much more things to uncover in that show


Wow, it's pretty impressive how they still make MLP videos even though the whole show has already ended ^w^ ❤✨


Ur theories are so interesting. There’s something I’ve always thought about. We’ve seen how Celestia and Luna would’ve been if they turned bad (like with nightmare moon and daybreaker) but what if  the mane 6 were to turn bad? They solve so many problems that no one in equestria can solve by simply just being friends. There’s no doubt their extremely powerful, especially when they’re together. We’ve seen some of them individually turn ‘evil’ I guess (example: rarity in inspiration manifestation) but the 6 of them together represent friendship magic which is supposedly the most powerful magic of all according to the show. Not to mention they are connected to the elements of harmony which are also some of the most powerful artifacts in equestria. The power they hold is immense. So if the mane 6 were to all cohesively as a group team up and turn evil could anybody really stop them? It would be interesting to see and I wish they did something like that on mlp.(also I feel like their designs would look so cool if they were reformed to look evil I really wish the show did something like this)


I like to imagine that in the ancient past, there might have been more alicorns. Prehaps some "true" alicorns, as in being naturally born alicorns. It could explain some of the powerful magical relics in the world, such as the alicorn amulet. What became of these alicorns? Who knows?


What if the hearts and hooves day,it's actually a prophesy for a future princess to keep her eyes open for who she chooses to be her love interest


Since the crystal empire was separated and had different history there could definitely be a family from there. The earth pony could also be a crystal pony since they may be confused.

@`` True it is easy to tell the difference but with the lost empire, history could be lost or mixed up since then

but its easy to tell the difference, everypony knows. there is no confusing it, the geometrical shine in their eyes and the silkier hair and coat, they all have the same accents too

From what i know Cadence seems to have her own dynasty, the Mi Amores and there was an old ruler of the Crystal Empire in the comics so ye


I'm so grateful for the time you take to make these videos even after the show has ended. It's kept the spark! Thank you!


I still say the Alicorn from the Hearts and Hooves Day story was Chrysalis before she became a Changeling!

@Vyn simp But who says she was BORN a bug?


Mini theory

Sombra is cadences dad?
After losing his wings, he would be power thirsty,
possibly enough to make a love potion to get back on top.

Edit: yes, l know that the pony is an earth pony, but sombra obviously might of changed his appearance, after all, he is a villlan 😉


Just a thought, it correlates to the Sombra and Alicorn Amulet theories, maybe the reason why there aren't any other alicorns is that, instead of just ripping the magic from all three tribes, Sombra was actively hunting alicorns as soon as they ascended after he figured out how to steal their magic, and left the two sisters for last since they were the first ones? It would explain why there aren't anymore real alicorns except for the ones nowadays (Cadance likely being born right after the hunts, which would explain how she is smaller than the sisters but taller and slightly older than Twilight, and Twilight was very carefully selected and mostly during times of 'peace', as there really weren't hitches with her ceremony), the immense power the amulet seems to have, and if Sombra was an alicorn himself why he was so powerful, he was culling out any more competition before he was stopped, because while we see one can become powerful by stealing the magic from each of the tribes as with Tirek, stealing the magic from several alicorns as soon as possible would definitely be either just as or more effective, until someone stepped in and he was turned back into a regular unicorn and the magic, now too twisted, corrupt and concepts that likely shouldn't have mixed together (as different alicorns might have represented different things) couldn't be returned, and thus stayed static in the amulet before Trixie got it.

Or his official backstory could be the one from the comics, I don't know, it's all just a thought that sprang in  my mind over coffee, no one will likely read this anyway XP


My, isn’t this quite the “heart” wrenching mystery? 😉

Sorry but please get out. This in my opinion isn’t a funny joke. sorry 😢

oh the crystal <b>heart</b> TERRIBLE JOKE

I heard about Celestia’s mom, she’s an alicorn(queen Galaxia)

YouTube translates HHAHAHAHA<br>But it doesn't translate Russian or other languages

YouTube translates HHAHAHAHA
But it doesn't translate Russian or other languages

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@Brianna does stuff love alicorn, heart pun

@♤Hisoka Morow♡ uhh if you're talking about the Fluttercord ship Fluttershy doesn't look 11 she looks older than that and even older in the series finale. I mean I respect that opinion of yours of course I'm just saying she looks older than 11

No the heart wrenching mystery is WHY THE F IS AN 11 YEAR OLD GIRL IN LOVE WITH A 1056 YEAR OLD LOKI!?

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I like how half o the comments are complaining about the pun and the other half thinks its funny, I have mixed feeling about puns

@Willowash OMG IS CADANCE GREAT GRANDMOTHER

Thank you! Thank you! I’m here every two weeks!


I just wanted to say how much I love your theory videos! And I think there's a lot of lore on mlp that we can still explore.


I disagree with the theory of that when you inject yourself with magic strong enough you can just become an alicorn. Cozy glow could become an alicorn, but not a real one like Twilight. When Cozy Glow was rid of all the magic she had gotten from the bell, she was returned to her pegasi form, whereas when Twilight lost all her magic (not friendship) through Tirek, she remained an alicorn. Cadence's Mother must have been the former Princess of Love, and she had to also have done something worthy to become an alicorn, just like how it was explained Cadence was not born a unicorn according to Celestia and Luna in The Crystalling.


I love the spring background in the video!  And i love the flower in you oc's hair.


I like the idea of the hearts & hooves day pony being cadence's mother. If we follow the belief that turning into an alicorn dosnt change one's DNA then that would mean cadence was born as a non-alicorn to an alicorn. This makes even more sense why everyone was soo surprized at flurry. Since every previously recorden birth from an alicorn has never resulted in another alicorn. Flurry is just the exception & I can explain her too: Cadence was pregnant with flurry in the crystal empire which soaks up 3-tribe power on a regular basis (like any holiday/festival/birthday/or evil-vanquishing event), plus the mother is already an alicorn & in a royal/leadership position which is exactly the position that earns the love & admiration of the people. Why isn't cadence's hair wavy yet? BECAUSE the baby was leaching 3-tribe/alicorn magic off her mother the entire pregnancy. Anyway, It's  not hard to consider a jump to alicorn during development, it's as simple as why Riversong aka Melodypond from doctor who turned out to be a timelord when she was conceived in the presence of time vortex energy.


Let's just hope this secret princess isn't <b>paid DLC</b>

Let's just hope this secret princess isn't *paid DLC*

@sasamichan Donkey Kong 64 amount of collectibles

I hear you unlock her by completing all of Equestria with out any one dyeing, Collect all the hidden coins and clear the goal with all of the characters nd get all the secret goals.  But other sources say she's under a cider wagon when you push it out of the way.

@Natalia T its gotten better? the comment is 46 mins ago and the video is 44, it will soon collide and cause an earthquake


MY THEORY:

I think that there may be another kingdom or continent where the alicorns live because the map of Equestria only shows the kingdoms in the show and not the other parts of the world. I believe that Celestia and Luna were part of that ‘kingdom’. In the Journal of the Two Sisters, it says that there were other alicorns in the time of Celesia and Luna. We also know that StarSwirl trained the two main princesses so I believe that Celestia and Luna’s parents sent them to Equestria to learn magic and learn about the other ponies. However, I don’t think this was the only reason. We know that before Celestia and Luna came to Equestria, the three pony tribes were separated and thus the windagos came and were only stopped by the three tribes coming together. The tribes decided to make banners with their respected trait on it and create Equestria. The alicorns decided to send Celestia and Luna to help with stop the windagos because they recognized the potential threat and disharmony. We know that Celestia and Luna are mirrors of eachother. One with the power of light and the other with the power of darkness. I also believe that the alicorns sent the sisters is because the both represent very important things.  Celestia representing warm, mentorship, maturity, and harmony while Luna represents cold, caringness, dreams, and harmony. There is harmony in the day but there is also harmony in the night. People could argue that the alicorns could have sent only one of the sisters or two completely different alicorns. We have seen what would have happened if there was only one sister ruling already. Nightmare Moon turned the world into a kingdom of darkness while DayBreaker would have most likely turned it into a world of fire. You can’t have light without darkness or darkness without light. That is why the alicorns sent Celestia and Luna. They were the two ponies that Equestria needed the most. The show has also shown of mirrors of a few characters such as Twilight and Cadance. Twilight has two mirrors. Sunset Shimmer, who wanted Celestia to pay for not being there for her and rejected her pleads to learn more magic and Trixie, who was so jealous of Twilight because she didn’t have any friends of her own and no one loved her. Cadance’s mirror is Chrysalis because Chrysalis was feeding on love and hurting the ponies who gave her love instead of sharing it and knowing what it actually means. I believe that the alicorns don’t need to send anyone else to Equestria because of how much it has evolved throughout the show and how much it is still evolving. The alicorns are still very mysterious and, as much as I want to know more about them, they should stay mysterious because it is more interesting that way.


I always thought she was Princess Amore, a distant relative of Cadence's


The one thing you gotta take into account is that the hearts and hooves day story.. is a story. Stories of that nature that cause traditions tend to change over time. Take Santa for example, he wasn't always the white bearded man in red we all know now. Maybe the princess in the story wasn't an alicorn to start with but changed into one because of the two sisters. As we have seen only female ponies have been alicorns so the story could of been changed a little to fit in with the new royalty system. So she may have been an alicorn but maybe she wasn't! The story doesn't have enough details sadly and we don't get much history behind it. It's fun to speculate tho!


My theory is that Celestia made the unknown princess into a alicorn, and so the new princess decided one day that she would rule her own kingdom.

So she left Equestria and found the Horse Country, lacking order and monarchy, and despite only being a pony, she soon assumed control as their princess. And since parts of legends are lost to time, the stallion who fell in love with her was actually a horse.

And so when the Kindom fell, it never recovered, the horses scattered and most came to Equestria, interbred with some ponies and formed Saddle Arabia, but that doesn't mean that there aren't horses outside of Saddle Arabia, I actually think that Troubleshoes is a horse.

Anyway, the princess found herself ruler of a broken Kingdom, losing trust and control of her subjects and eventually followed in their hoofprints towards Equestria.

She could not face Celestia after failing her kingdom, so she stayed away, carrying a foal that would be born any day now.

Unfortunately she gave birth in the woods and died in the process, leaving baby Cadence with no hope of survival.

Fortunately she was found a few hours later by a group of earth-pony mares, probably some type of nuns or monks or something.

They took her in but found that caring for a pegasus foal was no easy feat as they had no wings themselves.

So, somehow news got to Celestia, probably from the news of the Horse Kingdoms downfall and the knowledge that the unknown princess was with foal, so she searched Equestria and eventually heard of Cadence, who looked almost exactly like her mother. So Celestia took the filly in, adopting her as a niece, where she was cared for by castle staff and council, eventually earning her alicorn title and becoming the princess we all know and love today.

I still need to work on the details more but this is the basic plot. :)


Hasbro's animators who worked on mlp watching this be like: Finally, someone notices.

@vixi Why do I always forget that?! 🤦♀<br>Silly me

@vixi Why do I always forget that?! 🤦♀
Silly me

@Just a turtle you’re here too? I’ve see. You in so many place from commentary channels to my little pony channels.

@I stan too many groups! Check em out in my about TANK IS A TORTOISE

What if the Prince died and the princess of love lost all her love with his death. She then took on a new name, Chrisalis, and raised a army against Equestria. Why? She feels that her love was stolen by ponies, and wants to take it all back.

Honestly I think it's basically making up a story instead, I can kinda see them be like: oh, so he's the scriptwriter now

Or hashbro writers be like: Nah bruh, that's so not what that is.

@Just a turtle ouh hi :D you’re here too?

@I stan too many groups! Check em out in my about I don't know, but my guess was Furry's stuff animal, Whammy(or some name sound similar to that).

Maybe they add wings on story princess just for estetic😂

@Just a turtle Wait I don’t get it. Ya talkin’ bout Tank?


Well, I guess if one of the sister princesses was Cadence's mother, specifically Luna, then Cadence would actually be Celestia's niece.


In general, there are 100 official comics and several books in which you can find out how the Princess Luna became the Nightmare Moon, and who really is King Sombra, and even how Cadance became an alicorn.<br>Even on a simple Wikipedia, you can find information about how Princess Luna became the Nightmare Moon. I mean who helped her become Nightmare Moon.

In general, there are 100 official comics and several books in which you can find out how the Princess Luna became the Nightmare Moon, and who really is King Sombra, and even how Cadance became an alicorn.
Even on a simple Wikipedia, you can find information about how Princess Luna became the Nightmare Moon. I mean who helped her become Nightmare Moon.

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One thing that has always hurt my head whenever I asked this question to myself: How the heck does Luna and Celestia raise the moon and sun?


This theory also makes sense for the upcoming G5 movie and series as there doesn't seem to be any alicorns in the modern setting (that we know of as yet, not ruling anything out), because the land has lost all it's magic that would influence a pony's potential to become one


Whomever that Alicorn princess was, chances are she was long gone and if she did turn out to be Cadence's mother that would certainly explain a lot, and it would also reveal a lot more about Cadence's origins (That's obvious i know but still)

@Kirk Lundberg Maybe is Celestia and Luna's mother with their father

@Kirk Lundberg it's in the novel series they were making, it's from the one where Cadence tells Twilight her origins

@Itz Diamond rare Gaming where can I find this?

But cadence's real mother can't be alicorn because her child time  she was a Pegasus pony

@Itz Diamond rare Gaming where is this said?

Was cadence is a baby she  founded in a forest by 2 Earth pony's  in that case we don't get it who is cadence's mother ? but cadence's  child time she is a  Pegasus pony .

Or, the Prince died and the princess of love lost all her love with his death. She then took on a new name, Chrisalis, and raised a army against Equestria. Why? She feels that her love was stolen by ponies, and wants to take it all back.

But we still don’t know who Cadence’s mother is

aapje van de gemeente heeft een grote invloed

I also think an alicorn relation of hers being the ruler of the Crystal Empire prior to Sombra's reign makes sense as there was no question as to Cadence's legitimacy and even treated as if she was known all along.

@encanto fan can you re-type it with proper grammar and punctuations? I have a hard time understanding what you're trying to say

U can't adopt somebody as a niece u could do it as a mother that's the only way but maybe her friends daughter and she was a niece because she were friends with her mother that she saves something like that.

@Afghan Zindagi maybe they don't have any blood relation. Celestia could have just found Cadance and adopt her as her niece, especially because Luna is the only sister that Celestia has (or at least we know of) and she doesn't have any children.

Here is a question how does celestia match with being cadences aunt? And maybe because in that hearts and hooves day it said “a long time ago” that could probably be 1,000 years ago because celestia is probably over 1,000 years old wait maybe that could be your next vid how is celestia cadences moms sister or how old can alicorns really be like what is celestia 10,000 years old.

I agree that this alicorn princess whoever she is, is long gone by now so it would make total sense for her to maybe be Cadences mother


My question is are we factoring in the lore from the comics. I know Candance was actually a Pegasus before becoming an Alicorn and Celestia adopted her as her niece. I think she might of turned into an Alicorn shortly before babysitting Twilight. When Candance and Shining Armor were in school she was already an Alicorn.


I though that cadence, had an entire story in a book dedicated to just how she became an alicorn. How she was a Pegasus first who stood against another female pony who was trying to corrupt pony love,

I was sure the book was produced around the same time as season three... though I am not denying your theory...


My theory with the alicorns has always been that there are two tiers of alicorns you have the princess of kind where that's Luna Celestia and Twilight where they represent the concept of something and they are the only ones with the extra natural powers, royalty alicorn wouldn't have the longevity because they're not connected to a concept


I think the "side alicorns" were weaker alicorns. Every alicorn ages (Flurry Heart grew up, the sisters went to retirement), but more powerful alicorns (like Celestia and Luna) age more slowly. So I think the other alicorns simply died from old ages after a few hundred years.


I wouldn’t call this a theory, but just something I’ve noticed...<br>Every alicorn we know about started out as a UNICORN and became an alicorn (except Flurry and unknown Cadence). Never has a PEGASUS or Earth Pony become an alicorn. I’ve been thinking, does this mean that unicorn magic can’t be given and must be born with? I mean, wings and strength seem to be able to be given, which makes sense. If this is the case, does Celestia know this? I mean, have you never questioned why she had a school for  only talented UNICORNS, which is basically racist segregation in the MLP world? Maybe Celestia knows only unicorns can become alicorns? But let’s take this a bit farther... The wonder bolts. (If I’m wrong, I haven’t watched the show in a hot minute, give me a pass) Powerful and elite Pegasus’s chosen by royalty. What if the wonderbolts are failed ALICORNS-as in met all the requirements to be alicorns, but lack being born with unicorn magic-leaving them looking like normal Pegasus but with earth pony strength. Idk, I haven’t researched to prove or disprove anything. Feel free to comment anything that proves or disproves this, or just any feedback.

I wouldn’t call this a theory, but just something I’ve noticed...
Every alicorn we know about started out as a UNICORN and became an alicorn (except Flurry and unknown Cadence). Never has a PEGASUS or Earth Pony become an alicorn. I’ve been thinking, does this mean that unicorn magic can’t be given and must be born with? I mean, wings and strength seem to be able to be given, which makes sense. If this is the case, does Celestia know this? I mean, have you never questioned why she had a school for  only talented UNICORNS, which is basically racist segregation in the MLP world? Maybe Celestia knows only unicorns can become alicorns? But let’s take this a bit farther... The wonder bolts. (If I’m wrong, I haven’t watched the show in a hot minute, give me a pass) Powerful and elite Pegasus’s chosen by royalty. What if the wonderbolts are failed ALICORNS-as in met all the requirements to be alicorns, but lack being born with unicorn magic-leaving them looking like normal Pegasus but with earth pony strength. Idk, I haven’t researched to prove or disprove anything. Feel free to comment anything that proves or disproves this, or just any feedback.


Celestia always hinted there were more Alicorns out there, especially when Flurry Heart was born. No one was born an Alicorn until Flurry Heart, they were created through "earning the right" like Twilight. So the story of another Alicorn Princess outside of the five makes sense even if the Hearts and Hooves Alicorn <b>isn't</b> Cadence's mom. Besides, the best we know about Cadence's family is that she's a niece of the Royal Sisters, hinting that they had siblings at one point. But considering their over +1000 age, Cadence is more likely adopted as a niece OR is descended from the unknown siblings of the Royal Sisters Or both.

Celestia always hinted there were more Alicorns out there, especially when Flurry Heart was born. No one was born an Alicorn until Flurry Heart, they were created through "earning the right" like Twilight. So the story of another Alicorn Princess outside of the five makes sense even if the Hearts and Hooves Alicorn *isn't* Cadence's mom. Besides, the best we know about Cadence's family is that she's a niece of the Royal Sisters, hinting that they had siblings at one point. But considering their over +1000 age, Cadence is more likely adopted as a niece OR is descended from the unknown siblings of the Royal Sisters Or both.


Okay so hear me out… what if the secret alicorn is actually Celestia in her younger years… she did sound awfully experienced when she said that there had never been a naturally born alicorn… but here’s a new theory for you to explore, Is it possible that Celestia had a love life with someone and had a child herself? And if she did… with who? 🤔


I always headcannoned that Cadance is the reincarnation of the former Empress of the Crystal Empire (IE her cutiemark looking like the Crystal Heart) that was killed by Sombra during his take over. <br>The alicorn from the story could in theory be the Crystal Empress in her youth. So in a way she's both is and isn't Cadance.

I always headcannoned that Cadance is the reincarnation of the former Empress of the Crystal Empire (IE her cutiemark looking like the Crystal Heart) that was killed by Sombra during his take over.
The alicorn from the story could in theory be the Crystal Empress in her youth. So in a way she's both is and isn't Cadance.


Here’s my thought: After Celesta and Luna became the new rulers, the other rulers didn’t get as much love and praise. So after years of this, their wings or horn was striped because they didn’t get this attention anymore. So they soon became average ponies.

Maybe one of those former rulers was Cinch's pony counterpart?

i think that because they became alicorns because they were exposed to the magic of other ponies, they didnt become permanant alicorns and possibly the magic faded after most ponies turned their attention to celestia and luna instead of these smaller royalties

@🌸Jack Animates🌸 or maybe chrisalis went insane or desperate instead of just becoming evil.

My theory is chrysalis and sombra ruled the empire together and sombra turned evil out of fear like Luna did when celestial was beaten she fled chrysalis turned evil out of fear but kept her rule and took the crystal pony’s with her then they became changelings forever till they were liberated and turned to a different form chrysalis could not because her heart ran on hate they starved all the time so it’s possible chrysalis and sombra were alicorns and if chrysalis did reform she would look different than a changeling mabey an alicorn like sombra would possibly as well

That's a really good theory! That's why we haven't seen any other alicorns apart from the 5 we already know!

@Kirk Lundberg wow 😳. I never thought of it like that. Yeah I agree that’s a good theory

What if the Prince died and the princess of love lost all her love with his death. She then took on a new name, Chrisalis, and raised a army against Equestria. Why? She feels that her love was stolen by ponies, and wants to take it all back.

@Ulmer Videos  yes, i was refering to an older equestria, but speaking of the Crystal empire, you bring up a valid point here!

When Celestia and Luna was gaining the centralised power of the country and forming a Diarchy, Sombra mayhaps didnt wish his kingdom to be ruled the way Celestia and luna wanted, afterall, a king knows whats best for his people, as the saying goes...

But despite how much he tried, he still lost the support of the majority of his subjects. Thus he reverted. Thus, the Alicorn amulet, and thus, the war with Equestria.

Change is the prime cause for resistance and thus war.

@keth templar So are you implying Feudalism in Equestria hmmm

I guess the Crystal Empire is a fief? I Consider the Crsytal Empire either indepdendent Ally or a Vassal of Equestria, so either not a fief or fief

Also speaking of fiefs, are there any other feudal lords in equestria? Cuz i imagine equestria more of Absolutist than Feudal

Edit:Oh i realized yoh may also refer to past equestria
Which i guess you mwan Equestria used to be Feudal but then Celestia and Luna took Absolute power
And also maybe Yakyakistan, the Dragons, etc used to be/are still vassals

However the lack of more castle or forts makes this an interesting subject... if this were the case we should expect to see far more ruins across equestria, unless the ponies used wooden castles up to the point the two sisters began using stone... that would explqin the lack of ruins, because without constant monitoring and upkeep the wooden forts would just break down into piles of wet cardboard...

And arguably- YES! THAT IS IT!
The homes the noble families currently live in are in Canterlot, meaning that they must of moved to the capital to be nearer to the princesses!
If that is the case, then their former castles must of been abandoned at somepoint, so the local townsponies may have deconstructed the stonework to build their villages, since worked stone is hideously expensive.

This is also plausible by the Chatau style homes the nobels live in, a Chatau bring a castle like mannor house with little to no defencive value at all. Its a statement of class wealth and social power.

This is my logical conclusion!

Actually this is a ponified mirror of our own history, the only difference is in our timeline, apart from the UK, the noble families just ended up becoming rich or normal families.

Whereas in Equestria, the noble (theoretically the Alicorn noble families that ruled over their own territories of Equestria) kept their families noble title and status but lost their ability to rule over their territories.

Back in medieval Europe this was the normal way to rule over territory, since communication and travel of the time, thus power projection and leadership, were extreamly costly and time consuming, it was better to subjicate your territory and have what are essentially smaller kingdoms that ruled under your crown in your own territroy.
As communications and transportation improved, power became centralised and these smaller noble families ceased to exist...

Yeah, and those small rulers now has been replaced with other kind from ponies, such as Prince Rutherford ruling over Yakyakistan, Dragon Lord Torch (now Ember) ruling over Dragon land, Chrysalis (now Thorax) ruling over Changeling Kingdom, etc. Mayor Mare, Shining Armor, Cadance, and Flurry Heart might be the only ponies who now only rule or become a leader of a small section of Equestria.

Equestria entered the Age of Absolutism

Also Maybe Celestia and Luna did "royal purges" to keep their legitimacy and avoid pretenders.

*Equestria entered the Age of Absolutism*

Also Maybe Celestia and Luna did "royal purges" to keep their legitimacy and avoid pretenders.

Indeed this is very much a logical conclusion to the mystery, however, if we take this thought a step further, i believe that this is the direct point of origin for the Equestrian Noble and Aristocrat families...

They started out of nobles that held limited power over the populace of a specific region of Equestria, but as the princesses slowly became the figureheads of the nation, and power became centralised, they lost their power over their territories and thus the ability to continue their alicorn bloodline, giving birth to more generations of normal ponies of the usual 3 or 4 (if you count Batpony) tribes. This would also explain why Tia and Luna have never seen a naturally birthed Alicorn, they didnt get the chance to...

I'm... Actually liking that theory it's a good explanation since cozy glow is proof that unbecoming an alicorn is possible


In "The Crystalling" the vase Spike shows depicts both the mother and the crystaler as alicorns.  I believe the story involved an alicorn from the Crystal Empire and a unicorn princefrom the unicorn kingdom (depicted in "Hearth's Warming Eve").


There are now 6 known Alicorns  in Equestria
Princess of the sun
Princess of the moon
Princess of love
Princess of friendship
Princess of light
Princess of ?


Hey Sawtooth, could you do an episode on why, when the mane 6 turned the keys, transformed and defeated Tirek... When they transformed, everypony's mane got longer and was blowing in natural wind but ONLY Rainbow's mane colors were in motion as if she had alicorn magic. What's up with that???


Sawtooth there’s one person you haven’t described yet: Princess Amore. She was the ruler of the Crystal Empire before Cadence and Sombra turned her into a statue, broke her into a thousand pieces and scattered those pieces into the ends of Equestria. Then Radiant Hope would’ve become the next Unicorn ruler of the Crystal Empire, so what if it came to a Alicorn starting to rule the empire during Sombra’s spell that hid the Empire from the rest of Equestria? That could be possible. Don’t you agree? Not to mention little is known about Princess Amore apart from The Journal Of The Two Sisters book and My Little Pony: Frenimes graphic novel which shows the origins of King Sombra, Trek, The Sirens, Nightmare Moon and Queen Chrysalis. I would really suggest reading those two books as I have them both and they are really good reads. They also allowed me to open up to this exact theory that I have now that I watched this video and read those two books. Thanks so much for reading this! Bye!!


My personal headcanon about who the mysterious alicorn is, is that she IS Cadence's mother*, but more than that she is the mysterious Princess Amore (I think she may have been mentioned in the show once, but she was definitely mentioned in the comics.). If the alicorn is Princess Amore, it would explain why that one pony at the end of The Crystal Empire Part 2 exclaimed, "Behold, the Crystal Princess!" because Cadence was destined to rule after her mother's descent from the throne*. I do consider the books and comics to be canon to some extent, so I believe that in the book "Twilight and the Crystal Heart Spell", when Cadence was explaining that she grew up as an orphan in a remote village, that she had escaped the crystal empire somehow before Sombra took over.

*For reference, in the comics Princess Amore is turned to stone by Sombra, then destroyed. It is also up to debate whether or not Princess Amore is Cadence's mom or not, but Cadence WAS confirmed to be a direct descendant of Princess Amore.

Maybe she lost her alicorn hood like cozy glow

princess amore is just a unicorn though, not an alicorn


I know this is going to sound crazy, but what if when alicorns fall in love, get married, and/or have foals, they loose their "immortality". Since they have longer lifespans than their spouses, they may have to, or just choose to, give up that long life span for a regular life span. As for what happened to all the royal families, I'm guessing they married into each others families, each time limiting the diversity of the different royal lines until there are just a couple left today. (I'm talking about Prince Blueblood). So if the Princess in this story is Cadence's mother, she probably died a while ago since she probably gave up her immortality.

Also, I think I finally now know what happened with Flurry heart and her window! We never see Shining Armor and Cadence in the future, and i think Flurry Heart took over for her mother. Because as the alicorn of love, Cadence would have a pretty hard time outliving her husband, unless she gave up her longer life span so she could be with Shining Armor, leaving Flurry heart to rule the Crystal empire.


Well, we know Flurry heart is the first alicorn to be born in Equestria. If there were other alicorns than those we know, their children would probably be alicorns too, so no alicorn had children before.


well the episode specified there was "something about a dragon,chaos reigning,kingdom falling" cuz the pair was "so in love" , i think it'd be interesting is the princess wasnt a alicorn,but the author of the book didnt know what she looked like and associated "princess" with alicorn,so they depicted her as a pony alicorn,but she could've been anything,or maybe the stallion could have been anything,nothing stated they were ponies, so its possible they were shown as ponies in the book because there were no records of their apperances,and the story was written down by a game of telephone,i dare say,one of them was a dragon,the other a something else,maybe their relationship gave birth to Discord? theres many ways to go with this<br>edit: omg pony-washing

well the episode specified there was "something about a dragon,chaos reigning,kingdom falling" cuz the pair was "so in love" , i think it'd be interesting is the princess wasnt a alicorn,but the author of the book didnt know what she looked like and associated "princess" with alicorn,so they depicted her as a pony alicorn,but she could've been anything,or maybe the stallion could have been anything,nothing stated they were ponies, so its possible they were shown as ponies in the book because there were no records of their apperances,and the story was written down by a game of telephone,i dare say,one of them was a dragon,the other a something else,maybe their relationship gave birth to Discord? theres many ways to go with this
edit: omg pony-washing


I see what you did there, but I have a much more simple theory:<br>The princess in the story died... not from old age, but she was killed, or she lost her powers like Cozy.

I see what you did there, but I have a much more simple theory:
The princess in the story died... not from old age, but she was killed, or she lost her powers like Cozy.


She must've been Crystal Empire royalty, seeing as how Cadence was called "the crystal princess" and her crystal heart cutie mark and how Celestia was so sure she had to participate in the rebuilding of the empire when it came back. Why else would she have sent her, right?

@Sam Sargeant In MLP exist the Mashendanos?

@katrena Neverwoods I always felt that King Sombra and Queen Chrysalis were  the rulers of the crystal empire ( https://youtu.be/t2Mt-HuOWDY <----- why I feel this way) but your theory makes a lot of sense, with cadence not getting the love and praise of the 3 pony types she would lose her alicron magic...

@katrena Neverwoods I always felt that *King* Sombra and *Queen* Chrysalis were  the rulers of the crystal empire ( https://youtu.be/t2Mt-HuOWDY <----- why I feel this way) but your theory makes a lot of sense, with cadence not getting the love and praise of the 3 pony types she would lose her alicron magic...

Kirk Lundberg :0000000 oh my goodness that’s actually pog- i’d love it if that was actually in the storyline

What if the Prince died and the princess of love lost all her love with his death. She then took on a new name, Chrisalis, and raised a army against Equestria. Why? She feels that her love was stolen by ponies, and wants to take it all back.

in the comics, cadence is confirmed to be an orphan pegasus and celestia raising her as her pupil and eventually turning her into an alicorn. But, there was another princess in the Crystal empire, during this. Her name was Princess Amore, and she was the former princess of love. but, during Sombra’s rule, he shattered the Crystal heart and turned Amore into stone, then hid her pieces across equestria. Sombra was only defeated by the two royal sisters trapping him so he couldn’t escape.

@katrena Neverwoods The male is an Earth pony so it can'f be Sombra

I’ve definitely seen comics of what people imagine of Cadence’s mother

@katrena Neverwoods the comic of that story were rip off at the Beginning of the End, no pun intended.

Call me crazy but maybe, just maybe, the unicorn in the book is king sombra, and the alicorn is cadences mother. Maybe before sombra fully corrupted he tried strengthening the kingdom with the love spell resulting in cadence. But obviously the spell failed, the alicorn continued to raise cadence away from the crystal empire and lost her horn/wings. Since love basically failed sombra, he corrupted and did his whole thing that could be why everything was so harsh and loveless.


How come Twilight never noticed there was an alicorn  civilization on her map unless, there wasn’t one. In past videos you talked about an ancient civilization were Celestia and Luna came from showing how they got their magical flowing hair. But Twilight has a map of all of Equestria and the lands beyond, yet she still never noticed a blank spot where there might be a civilization.


speaking of alicorns, y’know what i never understood? why does human twilight get wings when she “ponies up” in “forgotten friendship” (2018) , but when she goes into equestria in “spring breakdown” (2019), she’s still a unicorn? i figured you’d have some thoughts about it, should you ever see this :) love your vids!


I think this guy puts more thought into the show than the actual creators did


I think it's unlikely to be Cadance's mother, especially given that flurry heart was the cause of the direct genetics of an alicorn. The princesses clearly said that flurry was the first alicorn born naturally, so Cadance would also end up having the genetics of an alicorn mother, making her the first.
unless... there is a chance in many that a baby will be born directly with the genetics of an alicorn...

oh boy i just answered myself-


My headcanon is that Cadance was sealed away by some villain or another soon after she ascended to alicornhood, and was freed by Celestia sometime before the Rainboom, which would explain why she appeared so much younger when she was babysitting Twilight.

I don’t think that there were more alicorns in equestria’s past, the association with royalty being due to the royal sisters rather than a prevalent alicorn royal class.  The vestigial royals like Prince Blueblood are likely descendants of Princess Platinum, and not really related to the alicorn royals at all.  I could see Celestia adopting Cadance as a niece after making her a princess, which would make the other ‘royals’ jealous, throwing a fit and forcing Celestia to adopt one (or more) of them as well to prevent conflict.

That being said, just because I don’t think there were more alicorns in ‘Equestria’s’ past doesn’t mean there weren’t more alicorns.  Pre-Equestrian alicorns are definitely possible, and that’s an interesting idea on its own.


I just found your channel and I love it the mlp universe is very rich and great for theorizing as well! Love to see more vids


here's my theory:<br>the princess in the book is indeed cadence's mother and i think blueblood's mother aswell. The thing is i also think that she is related to the royal sisters and i think she was their sister too but after the crystal empire was destroyed and in sombra's control, celestia and luna avoided any signs of relation between them and their other sister so that they wouldn't be caught in a scandal. Instead, celestia adopted cadenza, renamed her cadence and put her to training to be the ruler of the crystal empire in the future. I also think that cadence's mother, turned into a changeling aka chrysalis. And the reason Chrysalis steals love is because she never felt real love (cuz of the love potion the prince gave her) and that's my theory

here's my theory:
the princess in the book is indeed cadence's mother and i think blueblood's mother aswell. The thing is i also think that she is related to the royal sisters and i think she was their sister too but after the crystal empire was destroyed and in sombra's control, celestia and luna avoided any signs of relation between them and their other sister so that they wouldn't be caught in a scandal. Instead, celestia adopted cadenza, renamed her cadence and put her to training to be the ruler of the crystal empire in the future. I also think that cadence's mother, turned into a changeling aka chrysalis. And the reason Chrysalis steals love is because she never felt real love (cuz of the love potion the prince gave her) and that's my theory


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"The birth of an alicorn is something Equestria has never seen."

"The birth of an alicorn is something Equestria has never seen."

@Mark Erikson The books Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell and Princess Cadance and the Spring Hearts Garden and Amy Keating Rogers state that Cadance was born a Pegasus and became an Alicorn later.

GUYS CELESTIA AND LUNA WERE BORN ALICORNS

GUYS CELESTIA AND LUNA WERE BORN ALICORNS

@Jroxs12pone would luna have known about it?

@Jroxs12pone would luna have known about it?

cause equestria didnt exist yet. equestria is one place. alicorns happened outside of equestria often in the past it just seemed equstria had never had one.

Yes, and aaaall the bad stuff only happened 1000 years ago

Yes, and aaaall the bad stuff only happened 1000 years ago

@Mark Erikson it was in a book i don't remember which one but it was + it ties into the royal sisters dialouge

Wasn't cadance a pegasus and eventually BECAME an alicorn?

Wasn't cadance a pegasus and eventually BECAME an alicorn?

@Tori And yet Flurry was born in the Crystal Empire, NOT Equestria. So you would think one of the older Crystal Ponies might be able to shed some light on the subject, or one of the ancient books in the libraries?? The fact that it's never brought up from an Equestria vs the rest of the world needs to be explored.

I love all the fanfics who show Luna and Celestia with their mother, showing the Alicorns as a fourth pony type that had been eradicated aside from Luna and Celestia. HOWEVER, it's been proven they were MADE Alicorns by saving the 6 mages who were once the bringers of the sun and moon, and how the girls got their cutie marks, by taking over for them and thus becoming the first Alicorns (Canon). Cadence may have become an Alicorn very early in her life, as Twilight had....maybe even earlier. Which would truly make Flurry a special case, perhaps her Alicorn magic could overtake the other 4 princesses in strength, and so she was born already. Plus with her ability trait so comparable to her mother's, it was probably Canice's and Shining's love that caused her to be an Alicorn at birth.

@LegoDev  ya but technically they weren't there at the time

@LegoDev  ya but technically they weren't there at the time

@Tori Okay. Let's discuss shock/surprise.  There's positive surprise and negative surprise.

Why are the ponies all serious, stern and somber when they show their surprise? Even frowning?

If they received the positive surprise of the century, wouldn't Celestia and Luna be like, "YES! Equestria finally got its first alicorn!" and be smiling, and every pony hoof bumping and celebrating that they've finally caught up with the rest of the world?

Kind of like a smiling, clapping Kim Jong Un, celebrating North Korea's first working missile bringing them out of the 3rd world?

Instead, they look like they are all concerned, or worried because the news has destroyed and turned their understanding of the universe upside down.  They are instead treating Flurry's birth like it is Equestria's first case of COVID.

@Icarus yes , otherwise we can't call this a discussion

@Icarus yes , otherwise we can't call this a discussion

@Tori If I ask you a question whose answer is in opposition to your beliefs, will you be okay?

@Tori If I ask you a question whose answer is in opposition to your beliefs, will you be okay?

@IcarusI'll only continue this conversation IF you promise to be mindful of your words , or if you open your mind to new theories. You need to realise that the dialogues were these vague so that we can come to our own conclusions, we don't have to stick with the status quo.

@Tori I never attacked you.  But you take anything anyone says that you disagree with as a personal attack against you.

No one can state their beliefs, as they might differ from yours, and injure you. In Equestria.

@Icarus I never attacked you? I even said I respected your theory? Also you just did it again . I hope you get through whatever is making you hate on people for no reason , stay strong

@Tori can you stop attacking me for disagreeing with you? Can you stop acting like you are right and the writers of the show are wrong? Jeez.  It looks like Flurry isn't the only baby.

@Icarus can you stop attacking people and feeling like you are the only one who is right? That's all I am asking  . And if your reply to this comment is something "Well technically acting is done by an actor" or amy other stupid argument like that , I'd prefer you don't partake in this argument. There are two others who are just as interested in this thread , and are not being jerks.

@Icarus that's not the map of equestria. If you notice that map also includes Klugetown , Seaquestria and yakyakistan and also everfree forest. Equestria is a KINGDOM , Crystal empire is an EMPIRE , not the same thing

@Ok ok that's quite possible actually. But young fillies fighting villains doesn't sit right with me -

I would really like to know exactly when celestia and Luna earned their cutiemarks

@Tori Maybe because Celestia and Luna were so young when this Alicorn Royalty happened and when they were the only ones to raise the sun and moon with no difficulty (they probably also faught many villains as Crystalist knew Celestia was very powerful) People might have realized they were Meant to rule alone and all current Alicorns probably lost there magic.

@Ariel Schnee333 The map of Equestria INCLUDES the Crystal Empire.

When the Crystal Empire disappeared, the empty land there still was a part of Equestria.  The Crystal Kingdom was never outside of Equestria.

@Icarus Why is everyone overlooking the fact that Cadence gave birth <b>in the Crystal Empire*? Which is *outside</b> Equestria. What Celestia said doesn't make any sense.

@Icarus Why is everyone overlooking the fact that Cadence gave birth *in the Crystal Empire*? Which is *outside* Equestria. What Celestia said doesn't make any sense.

@Tori Wait you said I'm "ACTING" pathetic. Acting is fake, it's what an ACTOR does. So an actor, in real life, is not the same as whatever they are ACTING like.

So you are saying that, I, the person behind the acting, am NOT pathetic.

@Tori That is true, ONLY IN EQUESTRIA. No where else.

@Tori That is true, ONLY IN EQUESTRIA. No where else.

@Icarus you're acting so pathetic it's hilarious 😂

@Icarus you're acting so pathetic it's hilarious 😂

@Tori My interpretation is that the birth of an Alicorn is something that equestria has never SEEN is because every pony present at Celestia's and Luna's births had their eyes poked out.  That's why it wasn't SEEN.

The birth of an Alicorn is something that the closet that Spike was hiding in during his molting has never seen, either.

@Icarus if that's what your headcannon is , I respect it and believe you should be able to think like that. I respect how you interpreted their words , and if that theory makes the most sense to you , that's awesome. Even if you don't believe the same for me , I am going to leave it at that

@Icarus I did provide examples tho?I was simply referring to your examples and interpreting them because that's how literature wor- nvm I theorize I shouldn't have a discussion with someone who obviously just wants to be in the right XD

OMG YOU are right!!! Your theories are perfect and people that interpret certain dialogues differently than you are disrespectful ✋😌

You're literally so perfect 😻 bestie ily and I wish I was as perfect and breathtakingly intelligent and you so I could tell the difference between conclusing and theorising
, Anyway you're perfect now be happy and leave me tf alone

@Tori Your "theory" contradicts the canon of the show.  Is it "respectful" to just throw away the canon?

Okay, I theorize that dragons can't get wings. If you disagree then you are being disrespectful and toxic.  If you present evidence from the show contrary then you are just trying to disprove my point instead of listening and comparing theories.

@Tori This is what makes sense to me.

Five unicorns combined could barely move the sun/moon. Then two unicorns not only individually did each task ALONE, but they did it with ease.  So perhaps let's say Celestia contain 100x the sun raising capability of each of the 5 unicorns (and the same goes for Luna with the moon).

In other words, Luna and Celestia were not each  just the power of 5 unicorns combined, otherwise, they'd be straining to do the task.  No, by being 100x more powerful, they could accomplish it without strain.  That would give them their cutie marks and MAYBE turn them into alicorns at the same time (or that probably happened later with a princess worthy deed). It was already established that unicorns were in charge of raising the sun/moon, so two new unicorns getting hired in would just be retirees replacing themselves.

As for who allowed them or gave them permission? Would YOU be able to stop them the first time they got the whim to attempt it? It's not like there's a permission form or permit that they'd have to get.  Look at the burst of power Twilight showed when she got her cutie mark, hatched Spike's egg and made him grow huge.  Who gave HER permission to do that? No one.  It just happened unexpectedly, without anyone's permission.  How did Celestia/Luna find out that they could move the moon/sun? How did Twilight find out she could make a baby dragon grow huge?  By accident.

I still say it is impossible for an alicorn to be born because Applejack outright stated it and Celestia/Luna didn't correct it.

Applejack didn't use the "in Equestria" qualifier and she spoke BEFORE Celestia said it.

@Icarus yes 💕 because attacking my decision to leave a conversation that was going nowhere REALLY proves your point and makes my points feel valid and respected! I am proud to have already figured out a toxic person to compare theories to ,  good thing I didn't take your words to heart. I am gonna go find someone respectful who understands how theories works . 🦋🦋🦋

@Icarus but you are confusing cutie marks with alicorns now.

I am not sure whether Celestia  and Luna were born alicorns or not  because I don't have much evidence and haven't read their diaries, but what I do know is that they became rulers AFTER they earned their cutie marks .

A princess worthy deed , wouldn't that be moving the sun and the moon? The 5 unicorns were low key dying doing it everyday , and Celestia and Luna had a great affinity for magic and moving sung and moon , so I think I would consider that the great deal.

But then that leaves you jnto the rabbit hole of : if they weren't born alicorns , who made them the ALICORN ?

If they could ALREADY move the sun and the moon even as a unicorn , why did they need to become an ALICORN in the first place ?

So personally , ofcourse, I like to imagine they were born alicorns .
Why else would other people even humour them if they weren't born royalty?

If a random foal comes to you saying they can life the SUN that take 5 magically skilled unicorns to do so , no one would believe them or give them the chance .

If they were princeses however , I believe something like this happened : that celestia and luna, being skilled at magic , thought to lend the 5 unicorns a hand , but then when they did so , found out that they can even do it themselves, thus getting their cutie marks .

Although there are many holes in this story

For example, why did they get involved in the first place? Or is it possible they figured it out before they helped the 5 unicorns? How do you even figure out you can move the LITERAL SUN?

So it's just my headcannon ,  unless I get more Materials I can't form a well cut out theory

@Tori No, I am not shocked or surprised that you are leaving, and even though someone named kawaiimochi leaving a conversation on March 28, 2021 is something that YouTube has never seen, it is NOT beyond my understanding.

@Icaruslisten , I read your comment , but let me tell you something

I love having discussions about theories other people have , and I like comparing our opinions and examples.

But for some reason it doesn't seem you are listening to what I am saying, rather it seems you would rather 'debunk' my points, than comparing them so we can reach a common ground-

I know you can't convey tone through texts, but for some reason I am feeling uncomfortable replying to you , I hope it's not offensive to you that I am leaving mid conversation, thankyou

@Tori Oh yes, Luna and Celestia born Alicorns because of the need to move the sun and moon?  Its established that a group of unicorns (including starswirl) were doing that BEFORE Celestia/Luna.  So there was no rush.

Also, Rarity stated that she thought that an alicorn was formed when accomplishing a princess-worthy deed.  Why didn't Celestia say, "No, Rarity, Luna and I were born alicorns and we didn't need to do a princess-worthy deed."?  They just agreed with Rarity.  Even Applejack questions how a baby can be born with a horn and wings. So every line solidifies that Flurry is the ONLY alicorn ever born in existence.

Rarity: But... But... But I thought Alicorn wings had to be earned by accomplishing some great, princess-worthy deed!
Applejack: Yeah. How can you just be born with 'em?
Princess Celestia: The birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen!
Princess Luna: It is beyond even our understanding.

Notice how Rarity/Applejack/Luna/Celestia never mention the "Equestria Territorial Alicorn Abortion Spell" failing for the first time.  It's because there's no magical explanation why Alicorn births are banned ONLY in Equestria, specifically.

@Tori Okay, a lot to unpack here.  First, we look at Alanis Morrisette's incorrect definition of "ironic" (as opposed to coincidence).  This is relevant to compare to the MLP statement.

An old man turned 98, won the lottery, and die the next day.  This is a coincidence. There is nothing about winning the lottery that is proven to extend your lifespan.

A black fly in your chardonnay.  That is bad luck.  There is nothing about chardonnay that repels bugs.

A death row pardon two minutes too late.  Again, bad luck.  Getting a pardon isn't known to cause busy signals on the phone lines.

Rain on your wedding day.  Is there something magical about weddings that cause the weather to become sunny?  No.

Man afraid to fly, flies for the first time and the plane crashes.  Bad luck.  There was nothing about that plane that was ironic.

Now what are examples of true irony?  A house that burns down because the fire alarm system caught on fire.  Why is that ironic?  Because fire alarms are supposed to warn you of fire, not create fire.

The Titanic, a ship specially designed to be unsinkable, actually sinking.  This is ironic because it defies expectations.

Or as Weird Al put into his song Word Crimes, a fire truck on fire.  That's ironic, because you'd expect a firetruck to have equipment on board to put out fires.

So as you can see, in order for expectations to exist, there must be some LINK between what is happening and what DEFIES logical expectation.

So if this is shocking that an Alicorn can be born in Equestria ONLY, there must be an expectation that Equestria somehow PREVENTS Alicorns from being born (and at the same time, lands OUTSIDE equestria for some reason ALLOW alicorns to be born).  That Equestria's land is somehow MORE expected to never have an Alicorn birth than anywhere else in the world.  Otherwise it is just coincidence/luck.  No expectation/irony.

The fact that the land of equestria is no different than any other land when it comes to where babies are born proves it is not the LOCATION that is shocking, it is the ALICORN that is shocking.

Have you seen the TruGreen commercial where a UFO and aliens are standing in someone's yard and the neighbors are in shock and awe.  The neighbors don't mention the aliens or the UFO.  They are amazed of how green the lawn looks.  This is what you are proposing.  That they were in shock about Equestria and not the wings/horn.

If you give birth to an elephant and I say, "Wow, a human being giving birth to an elephant has never been seen on earth."  That doesnt mean that humans are giving birth to elephants on Mars.  It means that NO human being are giving birth to elephants, period.

Why did Celestia bring something irrelevant (the location, specifically Equestria) into the conversation?  Because they speak as if Equestria is the whole world (much like how Americans are USA-centric in thought).  Unless you can prove a link between locations and species born, then there can be no way to make the statement relevant.  Why not say, "The birth of an alicorn is something never seen at this time on this day".  Its true, Flurry was the only Alicorn in the world born at that minute/hour/day.  Because that's a lame thing to point out!  It shouldn't be shocking.  It should be like "okay, that's oddly specific.  So all Alicorns were born in other countries and this is the first and that's shocking?  You knew she was pregnant and going to give birth, what did you expect?  Was this really a surprise?"

Do you think when the europeans came to America, when the first european gave birth, that the other europeans were in shock saying, "The birth of a non-native is something this land has NEVER seen before!  How could this be possible?!"  No, they were like, "this is the billionth baby being born, and its being born in a place, just like every other baby is."

Just explain ONE thing to me.  What is it that is specifically about the territory called EQUESTRIA that does not allow Alicorn births (that does NOT apply to ANY OTHER LAND which ARE allowed alicorn births)?  What is DIFFERENT about equestria that PREVENTS the birth of alicorns?  Would Celestia have still be shocked if Cadence happened to go into labor during a visit to the Dragonlands?

Maybe Grogar put a curse on the land of Equestria that all Alicorns born within the territory called Equestria would be stillborn and dead.  And somehow, Flurry defied the curse and shocked them by being ALIVE.  And they were shocked that somehow she expectantly dodged the bullet.  But then, why wouldn't Cadence leave the cursed land of Equestria to give birth in a neighboring land?

@Icarus I disagree with your points! (Keep in mind I don't mean to be rude, I am writing all my theories is a friendly manner )
 If , for example, there was a VERY incredibly tamed city , and the criminal rate , let's just say although impossible, was inexistent.

Then , if someone were to kill someone there, it would come across as very shocking, wouldn't we then say , that THIS CITY has NEVER seen a crime happen, that indicates that other cities do exist where this is quite normal

Also , if a lady gave birth to a baby in the moon , it wouldn't shock us that babies exist, but the baby would still be considered special as birth is something the moon has never seen (bad joke but we'll role with it)

IN THIS CASE , HOWEVER, it's even better. The baby born isn't a normal baby , it's a baby born with a crown. ( Since wings and a horn is tied so closely to royalty , this comparison is nit that far fetched)

Instead of HAVING to make someone royalty , Flurry was born as royalty. In this case, by 'royalty' I only mean people meant to rule , even though Flurry was born from and empress, who's to say her power was not going to be as useless as Prince Blueblood's  ?

Even tho Prince Blueblood was born royalty, he is clearly not meant to rule, or has the capability to , because then Celestial would've never needed to seek a pupil elsewhere- by making a school.

So not everyone born in the royal family will get their own kingdom in Equestria , as being an ALICORN is something GIVEN to you  AFTER you prove your worth.

But Flurry? She was already an ALICORN which indicates she is already born a ruler , by going by history that alicorns typically become rulers.

So if someone if born with a crown on their head , everyone would be surprised, since a crown is put on a person after they prove worthy of the throne.

Wouldn't everyone be shocked?

It's quite possible that celestia and luna were born alicorns , since The movement of the sun and the moon is extremely crucial, I think them being born royalty already is quite possible.

Thus  , it's possible they were ONLY talking about Equestria.

@Tori If a lady gives birth to a baby on the moon, will it shock us that babies exist, just because one has never been born on the moon, before?

What is it, specifically, about Equestria that made it impossible for the mares pregnant with alicorn babies to give birth while inside Equestria's borders, until after crossing the border, leaving equestria?  Is there some magical womb closing spell over Equestria that can detect alicorn babies? If so, why didn't they use that spell to seal Changeling wombs instead?

If we set off a nuclear bomb in Antarctica (something Antarctica has never seen before) and the resulting explosion conforms to the same laws of physics as we've seen when doing the same in other parts of the world, would yielding similar results be "beyond our understanding" or "no different than expected"?

No one has ever been shot with a shotgun in Antarctica, ever. Would you be willing to let someone point a loaded shotgun at you in Antarctica and pull the trigger? Is it unbelievable that a "first" can ever happen? Does the location have any impact on expected outcome?

@LegoDev yeah , which is what makes it so compelling , everyone gets the freedom to come up with their own theories, since they dialogues were so vague

@iman ishraf yes , exactly , Crystal empire is no a part of Equestria . they are two different empires

@iman ishraf yes , exactly , Crystal empire is no a part of Equestria . they are two different empires

@LegoDev yes , but her follow up can also be interpreted as : "The birth of an alicorn in Equestria is beyond even our understanding"

@Tori Luna then proceeds to drop this nuclear bomb of a follow-up: "It is beyond even our understanding"

@Tori Luna then proceeds to drop this nuclear bomb of a follow-up: "It is beyond even our understanding"


The history of Equestria is interesting and attractive by its mysteriousness


Heyy, Sawtooth Waves! What do you think of idea of making a video about Gusty the Great? It's an  INCREDIBLY interesting theme to reflex on.

In other theory of yours (about Grogar's previous being as the constellation) you did use much information about Gusty. Then we have found out that she was not only more powerful than the Alicorn Sisters and all the alicorns, but also more powerful than the f**King Elements! That's un-be-lievable. And she was just a unicorn!
Or not? We have seen she possessed a really weird form and looked like Shadow Pony. But Gusty was kind. And even Shadow Pony was much less powerful than Gusty.

I just have no suggestions about that and it'd be awesome if you made the video with your thoughts.


But isn’t Cadence an “artificial” alicorn?

Yes because it’s cannon she was born a Pegasus


Now that you mentioned Prince Blue Blood, I came up with an idea. What if Cadence was the princess and Blue Blood the prince in the story just like you said on the previous video about Cadence's past?


I will repeat myself:<br>I think that the  Princess from the story is our mysterious"Princess Amore"

I will repeat myself:
I think that the  Princess from the story is our mysterious"Princess Amore"

But wait a minuete Princess Amore is a unicorn but what was shown in the episode was an alicorn

@Bananarr; Destroyer of Worlds There's another character named Princess Amore, that's the one we're talking about.

If you're talking about princess 'Mi Amore', that's just a nickname given by shining armor to Cadence. It means "my love" in Spanish.

@Destiny DZYT Yeah but there's another character named Princess Amore, and it's not Cadence.

@Destiny DZYT thats irrelevant. <br>Plenty of ponies have the same words as part of their names.

@Destiny DZYT thats irrelevant.
Plenty of ponies have the same words as part of their names.

@Jroxs12pone She was an alcorn but she turned it back into a unicorn I think

no, she's a normal unciorn. we see her in the comics. she was the last ruler of the cystal empire before sombras attack. we see him "kill" her in the comics during sombras origin comics/

Shes confirmed to be an unicorn in comic series, specifically the one that focuses on Sombras backstory.

Omg someone finally said it. I kept thinking that throughout the entire video!!!!!


Anyway, whoever the princess is, she must be related to Cadence. Here’s some tips that might help you figure out and post ‘ Finally solving Alicorn princess.’
1. I think that Cadence would have just past the arguing people, but instead, she used her magic. It’s a waste when you need it for something more important. I think the Mayor was the one who gave her the guilty-ness so she used her magic.
2. Maybe the potion contains Cadence’s cells, which caused her birth. The Mayor could have been inside the whole mystery, and she might be Cadence’s cousin or something. She also could be the Alicorn Princess’s friend (or something connected to the Princess, at least!).Then, her parents told her about the mistake, and she felt sorry for her relative mayor.
All this I’ve said, is just that I think the Mayor has something to do with this. Hope it’s helped you!😘

P.S: I love your subjects for your mystery.❤🧡💛💚💙💜❣❣❣❣❣


It could also be that, like most fairytales this one was also first spread verbally.<br>Later it was written in a book and illustrated. Because by that time the idea of royalty=alicorn was so prominent the princess was drawn as an alicorn.

It could also be that, like most fairytales this one was also first spread verbally.
Later it was written in a book and illustrated. Because by that time the idea of royalty=alicorn was so prominent the princess was drawn as an alicorn.


Is it Cadence's mother? Like you said at the beginning maybe it is passed down in DNA but differently to make people's relationships fixed or make people in love? It's a mystery.


This is so interesting, because if Cadance was the two’s daughter than that means she was conceived under a love potion, and we saw how that turned out with You-Know-Who 😂


Hold the phone
If blue blood is Celestia’s nephew and in this theory Candence is Celestia’s niece...
Who would be their parents? Are they siblings? Is Luna Blue Blood’s mom? Is there another Royal sister?

They’re adopted. I’m not joking that the actual explanation.

I always thought they were honorary, rather than actually blood related

Perhaps princess amore is Celestia and Luna’s long-lost sister and blueblood and cadences mom

Luna is BlueBlood mom and Cadence’s adopted mom.

Cadence is Celestia's theoretical neice because they said that Celestia adopted Cadence as her neice, she could have done the same for Blue Blood. But still, family is family, wherever you come from

Yes I've always questioned "Who <i>IS</i> Prince Blueblood?"

Yes I've always questioned "Who _IS_ Prince Blueblood?"

@Bo Braekevelt this is fanon- fan canon lol

I think it's less of a biological relationship and more platonic (unless I have the wrong definition of platonic)

@Bo Braekevelt The wiki you looked as was a fanon wiki, not the official one. Sorry, :(

No Cadence's parents r both Earth ponies

Sawtooth waves should really make a video on this.......

@Chelsy Claunch its blue hair, the third sister is basically elsa

Once I saw a vid that there is a third sister and she had red hair but I think she moved to a countrie other than Equestria

Candence was adopted and most likely Blueblood too

@Shahida's Kitchen time! yeah but she’s not an alicorn, so that makes her as likeable to be related to rarity as too Luna or Celestia

@Bo Braekevelt ive never read the comics and im prettu sure she is "cannon " her actual appearance was never shown but history of her is true when the mane six held the play where they represented the founders  of equestria she was the ruler of unicorn and i cant remeber but there was this whole theory on smthing and in it it mentioned that her father was supposed to attend that meeting but wasnt able to she went

@Bo Braekevelt thats interesting ive never knew thnx for telling me
Most if my info comes from the show its self and stuff its from there we never were inroduced tk any if these ponies so i never knew that there were more to the family
Even through we were never introduced to her father apparently they were going to introduce him in the my little pony the movie hen they changed him into heinf tempest shadow

@Shahida's Kitchen time! Princess Platinum is actually not cannon, not even in the comics where my info comes from...

@Shahida's Kitchen time! actually I went deep into the wiki of mlp and they had both a sister and a brother, the sister being like a snow sister named Princess Ingrid and the oldest one, she turned evil. and they also had a brother called Orion. Snowflake is Princess Ingrids daughter. Cadence is the granddaughter of Orion so actually related to them and its no where told what happend to Orion. and the weird thing is prince Blue blood isn’t related to them, so he’s a prince from a different royal family which makes this theorie video even more likely to be true.

Ikr i akways question this there must be another sibling to celestia and Luna whether they are alicorn ir not but we are never informed about it  unless they died. However u did read that blue blood us a decent of Princess platinum and was adopted by celestia like cadence


Cadence became an alicorn after defeating an evil pony named prisma. Here is the excerpt saying so from the wiki. It comes from a chapter book.

Chapter books

Princess Cadance is featured in the chapter book Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell. The book tells the story of Twilight Sparkle after she'd been made an Alicorn and seeks advice on being a princess. She turns to Cadance, who tells her life story, how as a baby Pegasus she was found in the woods by Earth ponies, who took her to their village. When she grew up she reversed a love-stealing spell cast by a pony called Prismia. Prismia wore a magic-enhancing necklace that amplified her evil and jealousy, but when Cadance confronted her, the necklace amplified Cadance's love. Once Prismia changed her horrible ways, Cadance was surrounded by magical energy and transported to a strange place where she met Celestia, who adopted her as her royal niece.


Queen Chrysalis was probably that princess, she may have once been very beautiful, and maybe since she fell in love through alternate means and not by true feelings she transformed into a Changeling after believing that love through true methods was a farce and force was the only option. The reason she was depicted as a pony was likely a coverup since I don't think ponies would like the fact that the Changeling queen is where Hearts and Hooves day originated.


Plot twist: All the “Animation error Alicorns” Are actual alicorns


If the princess in the story is Cadance, then the kingdom that fell to its downfall is probably The Crystal Empire, when it was being ruled by King Sombra


“The birth of an alicorn has never been seen in equestria”

Celestia: The birth of an alicorn is something Equestria has never seen

@Undertaker9711 It explains why they have a seperate ruler

My two cents: The Crystal Empire isn't part of Equestria. Its an independent nation, separate from Equestria. Or at least, it was before it vanished. Now in modern times, its ben annexed into Equestria but still has Cadence as a figurehead

@DerpyThree Otherwise we wouldnt be theorising about it ^^'

@DerpyThree Cus thats not how genetics wokrs in Equestria..

why doesnt it happen whena pegasus ad unicorn do that?

Well yes, but Cadence wasn’t born an alicorn. The connection of Cadence and the alicorn are the love themes.

Maybe it because she wasn't born in Equestria?

It isn’t a birth tho but transformations that stopped when Celestial And Luna ruled


A question for a future theory perhaps? :

Why does Celestia have Rarity's element on her crown and necklace??

A question for a future theory perhaps? :

*Why does Celestia have Rarity's element on her crown and necklace??*


'At least the only alicorns we know of...'

*Insert crowd gasp sound effect*

'At least the only alicorns we know of...'

**Insert crowd gasp sound effect**


Cadence and Cadence’s mother spread love to the Crystal Empire in order to prevent the country from being corrupted by hatred.


I think that it's an entirely different alicorn. I think that it might be someone from cadence's family tree. I mean,it is easy to see those two related since they both have something to do with love like the theory you just said and you also explained how cadence would be celestia's niece. The reason in my head why we don't know about this alicorn could be because she was present a long time ago and that their next generations weren't alicorns. What if after the royal sister's started ruling the other royals started losing their power and purpose and didn't really get that much attention (by power I mean their ability to do something in equestria as they were royalty). As they didn't get much attention their families wouldn't become alicorns. And that may be the reason we don't know about this particular alicorn. But I'm not sure about cadence being related to this mystery alicorn.

Or our mystery alicorn is a changeling.

 (P.S. I am using someone else's phone so don't ask questions about that.)


This is the kind of stuff I look forward to every Friday


The salt is real! My little pony had so much potential for older-age audience style lore/content that was left unsaid because the show was mainly catered towards younger children. Sawtooth does a very good job at theorizing what they left unsaid and I personally accept most of his theories. I feel that just because it's a cartoon about magic doesn't mean that Hasbro should've only catered to young kids, most people who had watched the older generation of mlp are now older (like me, I'm only 19 but I watched older gens because my mom introduced them to me) and would probably watch reboot/new gen just because they had previously enjoyed it. Steven Universe has a likehood to mlp in some sort because it's a animated cartoon about magic and it's definitely NOT for young children!


I think that the Alicorn Princess from that story was Cadence’s mother. Here’s how my story of the theory goes.
Long, long ago a unicorn princess was crowned, ruler of her kingdom. The ponies poured their loyalty and love and it absorbed into the princess turning her into an alicorn. Not long after a prince made a love potion for this princess and decided to use it on her. He took her out for a night and they drank the potion. The spell worked and they had a foal named Princess Cadence. The couple had become so tangled up in each other that they forgot about their duties and the kingdom fell apart. Cadence’s mother came out to address the crowd about the kingdom, but their hatred had grown for the princess that dragged them down. The alicorn magic was pulled away from her, transforming her back into a unicorn. This has broken the love spell due to it being mixed with her alicorn magic. The princess ran away in shame and the prince shortly vanished after. Cadence was too young to rule so the ponies fled and split up to Canterlot, PonyVille, and CloudsDale where they remained happily.

So yeah that’s my theory on what happened. Short version is basically some princess turns into an alicorn, gets a spell put on her by a prince, kingdom falls apart, child is too young to rule, they split up, yeah.


Congratulations sawtooh waves! You just made a new ship!


I saw a comment saying 'She must've been Crystal Empire royalty, seeing as how Cadence was called "the crystal princess" and her crystal heart cutie mark and how Celestia was so sure she had to participate in the rebuilding of the empire when it came back. Why else would she have sent her, right' now when Sawtooth said what happened to her I started to wonder and finally came to a conclusion maybe when Sombra took over the mother and the father would have had to give out all of her power to Sombra but they wouldn't give up so easily they took the power of the crystal ponies and from into a heart and hide or put candace into some village where the rest of the story from the book takes place. I hope Sawtooth you notice this comment.


Anyone else think Queen of the changeling herself would be this pony? That would help explain their change in look when giving love. This could possibly answer why some pony is so focused on the Crystal Empire.


The stallion in the drawing looks a bit like the prince BlueBlood, and the mare like Cadence. Maybe they are more connected more than you let on?🤔


I don't think Cadence is that old. In the flashback, we see that she looks just like a regular pegasus but with a horn in terms of her size and structure. In the present, her wingtips started turning purple, her horn was longer and pointier, and her facial structure started flattening out like Celestia and Luna's. Her wings were also longer and pointer when folded. She was larger too. She is about the same size as Shining Armor and he is bigger than Twilight and Cadence looked about the same size Twilight was in that episode in the flashback. What's more, in the final season we see Twilight presumably fully grown. This is far enough in the future that all her friends are getting old. They aren't as old as Granny Smith but they aren't young. Twilight is about the same size as Celestia in that episode. You could argue that Luna was smaller than Celestia so Cadence's full size could be similar, but you can see that she is still noticeably smaller than Luna and her face was more like that of a regular pony. I think if we saw Cadence in the final episode, she would have the same size and shape as Luna at least, maybe the same as Celestia and Twilight. I think that Cadence became an alicorn no more than a few years before Twilight was born. There is still a possibility that she is older or related to the pony in the myth, but I think it unlikely.


Hey Sawtooth I have a video idea! its about a question I always had

Why does Mist mane have wavy hair?

I mean Star swirl does not have it and I always thought it was because they had great power or you could get it for being a alicorn but Mist mane it probably not as powerful as Star swirl and she is just a unicorn. Its something I always had a question about so I decided to ask you. :)


Are we gonna get a “how did equestria become this way” theory for gen5? Since it’s set in the future.

@Sangeeta A don't assume maybe he just didn't see it

I’d kinda like to think that twilight is chilling somewhere on vacation. I know that there’s like 0 chance that that’s the actual reality but I personally find that if it were true and the gen 5 ponies found her, it would be entertaining.

I have asksed sawtooth before about doing theories about gen5, but i think he ignored that


Cadence being celestia's niece does raise some questions about celestia's and Luna's family like were there any other siblings in their family


It could have been where there used to be many alicorns but since of an alicorn falling under that big of a spell clestea could have took control and pretended that it never Happened and that’s why Celestia said that a birth of an alicorn they have never seen and cadence could of been to young to remember her mother.


the hearts and Hooves Days Alicorn is The previous Love Princess In celestia or Lunas Diary it has the words A previous Princess of love That ran away


"the birth of an alicorn is something we've never seen," said Celestia


Something weird that I’m now noticing is that since prince blue blood is celestial nephew wouldn’t that mean celestia has a sibling we haven’t met yet?

Prince Blueblood is descended from Princess Platinum. And just like Cadance,  is adopted by Celestia


One question... If the small branches of royals became alicorns because they received admiration and praise from the 3 types of magic, then shouldn't a famous pony, say countess coloratura, also be an alicorn?


Is Blue Blood actually Celestia's nephew? The only one I remember mentioning it is Rarity during her fantasising about finding her then unnamed prince charming, but that was long before she actually met him.