I didn't know who you were until Emp, but I think he's painted a very vibrant picture of your inner strength, and now that I'm aware of you, you have my support. Figured it was time you got some good feels your way, man. Keep up the Good Fight.
You are such an inspiring person. Overcoming the odds when everything seems set against you. I'm in a horrible situation in my life right now. Nothing seems to be going right at all and it has felt increasingly hopeless every day. Seeing you succeed when the whole world is against you, that motivates me to keep moving forward and work to make the best of every day. This video couldn't have come at a better time for me. Thank you Emp, and thank you Hungrybox. No matter what anyone says, I have so much respect for you.
Watched you for years casually. Never knew you were in school for engineering and working as such for so much of your career. Dealing with the hate always earned my respect but hearing that you managed so much at the same time:... I’ve done similar juggling, so that you managed so much, I cannot begin to say how impressive that is to me. Keep it up man, your fans are less vocal, but reasonable people know how hard you worked. You deserve every bit of success and more.
Hungrybox I didn’t know you, but you have my respect. You are something nobody else is, the best. It’s probably lonely at the top, but you deserved so much more
You playing puff in melee is what inspired me to play smash with items off, made me realize you don't need to be a tech demon to win matches, and win off fundamenals.
I've been a fan of Smash since 3DS, hell since Brawl when I played it on my friend's copy. I've heard a little bit about melee but not much, and this vid was a really good chance for me to stop and smell the roses. Good job on becoming number one. Never give up man.
I have never been a competitive Melee fan, but I've loved the game and the series since it's inception. Plus, I'm a huge DotA 2 esports fan, so I know how toxicity goes. DotA is well known for being the most toxic cesspit of all gaming pretty much because of how elitist and awful the community can be. It breaks my heart you were treated so terribly dude.
I'm glad you chose to be the bigger man, rose above the hate, and conquered the Melee scene anyways. Well done, you have my respect sir. Fuck the haters, you're the shit.
I'm not into competitive gaming, but I have such respect for someone who has worked hard like you hungrybox, thanks for showing Jigglypuff the love. She was who I played in Melee back in the day when I played with my friends. 😊
Only just learned about all of this and I gotta say you’re a legend man. I found myself rooting for you in this video essay. Shows how good you are at the game and how good emp is at making videos
I never watched you play, I never was into Melee but god damn I respect you so much after this video for the perseverance and unshaken belief in yourself. You truly are an amazing person Hbox, never give into the haters.
Thanks for all the influence in smash. You've proven to be one of the most respectful players, and because of that, I hope you maintain the number one spot forever. You deserve it.
@Andrew Meyer I played Mele back in early 2000s it was a lot of fun, it was a good successor to smash bros. As I played pokemon>nintendo. and played ps2 more and xbox more. eventually settling for halo wars and pokemon and then mostly halo wars because less cheaters than pokemon and less chaotic.
seeing Emp's video and seeing that Samus, Falcon, Pikachu and other characters are being picked up in this new era of smash genuinely makes me think you singlehandedly saved melee.
let that sink in: you forced a meta shift that made Melee 'new' again. and it's once again a wild west to figure out how to beat the best. and in a game with as many characters as smash, that's the best thing that can happen, is a natural meta shift as folks realize the old ways won't work anymore.
never feel bad for having done this to Melee by playing Puff that well, HBox.
Your story was very inspiring. I applaud your achievements and efforts. I've never cared much for smash, but your achievements are remarkable. I'm amazed youve held up as long as you have.
Hbox, I got into melee a few years back. I remember watching you win Evo 2016, and then wishing I could attend the Chipotle picnic you held.
I also remember being made fun of by friends for being a genuine fan of you, and being made fun of by so many others for liking competitive melee, even though I'm no good at the game.
I know people who have told me consistently that I am a failure, wasted potential. But your commitment and your example just helped me get into college. It helped me give 2 years of my life to serving others. I know you probably won't read this, but honestly thank you.
And Emp, thank you so much for giving my hero the credit he has deserved.
Hey, Hbox. I met you back at Forte 2 at the end of 2014. Big group of us were hanging out in the main room and someone complained about some other player being carried by Fox. You talked about how some might argue that you're being carried by Puff (which us funny in retrospect considering the whole Puffpocalypse thing), but that that sort of mentality is harmful and you should play who you enjoy playing. I still hold those words close today and just wanted to thank you for that, even if you 100% don't remember it. (But if you do, I'm still disappointed that PM got dropped from all the majors.)
You deserve more respect. You represent all of the people who were beaten down to a pulp, And you have shown that even the most beaten down can rise to the top. Please keep doing what you're doing. Don't let people talk down to you like that. You have my up most respect, Good luck. :)
You've probably moved far past it now, but do know that there are people who are fans of you and no other smash player. We've been in the shadows for the most part, being dismissed entirely by mang0 fans (my older brother included) but I write here to tell that you are my favorite of the 5 gods and no other. The community may seem cruel with most against you, but your fans are still out here, waiting patiently for your next victory.
@Shy Bandit He is showing his true skill. The fact that puff is so good is a problem with melee itself. If you were serious about getting good, you would do anything to win, like how a few of these pros dropped their mains for Fox. Your mindset is what keeps people like you in bronze league tier forever.
Just as others said,i didnt know who u were before the video,but damn dude you have my respect for all this effort and time you've put into this 20+ year old game,hope the community acknowledges it someday...although i bet you've earned the respect of everyone who watched the video,and tou know,that is hella lot of people
I found Hbox as the most relatable player because I know what it's like to have the feeling, not only of being alone (against my dad), but of the rest of the family that supporting me to become better.
May not be your biggest fan, but I respect the hardwork and determination you've had over the years. Congrats, don't feed into those people trying to bring you down.
You are the best, Hungrybox, and remember: Never give up even if you feel like the whole competitive world of Melee is against you. You are the underdog of pure legend.
Hey Juan, congrats on all of your success. You've managed to have a positive impact on this huge community of people all while taking their beating. Good shit brother. I'm thankful that Melee is in your life. I Love and Respect what you do, your plays make me smile so thank you. I hope life treats you well
Not only did you push past barriers perhaps unknown to any other competitive medium, but you kept a level of dedication for your character so powerful that you single handedly rewrote and redefined absolutely everything anyone thought they knew about melee. I can barely put to words the feats of your legacy in words that feel adequate, the term "Godlike" is tired out in any other context then you. The sheer willpower required to withstand the apocalyptic levels of vitriol and setbacks may rival any creature known to exist. I know this to be true by comparison and reflection- knowing how anyone could persevere in such a circumstance would be impossible to me without knowing your struggle. Your radiance shines too bright too go unnoticed.
You are the hero no one deserved. It is because of you that Melee will live on and it is because of you so many others can persevere in their lives as you have yours. Thank you Hungrybox.
I comment as another individual who would like to congratulate you on your accomplishments. May the count of replies grow, signifying the overall agreement that you are a legend. Even if only in the eyes of us few.
That was such a fantastic documentary. You may hate Puff all you want (I dislike him as well, but that`s not the point), but I always believed HBox's hate feels exagerated. Sure, he may not be my favorite player to watch, but he's a man that truly deserves respect. Not only he's loyal to his character (which is really rare in Smash these days), not only he improved Puff's meta, but he's also the one that conveys the struggle of Melee compared to other fighting games. He really deserves credit for everything he went through, and I just feel bad for him. His hard work and determination is really what makes me admire HBox as a player. :)
I've lost interested in Smash for a long time now but back when I first saw your gameplay, I cheered for you because you played a pink ball like I did casually (I mained Kirby). After watching this, I'm now cheering you on for your success even after I stopped playing and watching tournaments. Keep at it! Besides, you got a good degree to fall back on :)
Good job handling the hate, personally as a Jigglypuff player in ultimate, I enjoy seeing the representation, especially with someone who has as much skill as you
You are truly incredible juan, despite everything that you had to go through to become number 1 is truly inspiring and admirable. We as a community should be eternally grateful for you gracing us with your presence and having a passion to do what you love. You are a prime example of having the heart and mind of a champion Thank you hbox!
HBOX, you are an absolute legend. Your matches were some of my favorites to watch and you were the reason I mained puff in melee. Thank you for all your hard work. I wish nothing but the best for you.
I never thought I would say this, but thank you for all you have done for melee hbox. I hope the whole community can watch this video and have the same empathy I now do for you. TY emp lemon!
After watching this, I feel sorry that you were never loved for the skill you had. I wish more people were fans for you being unique, instead of ostracizing you for not being the way they wanted.
There’s so much more Melee to be played, but it wouldn’t be nearly as meaningful if you weren’t a part of it. Thanks for making this game INCREDIBLE to watch and be a fan of. Cheers Hbox. 👍🏻
Dude, I've gottta say, learning about your journey and alll of the circumstances you've overcome has moved me. It reminded me of my outloook on life that I had alll the way back in midddle schoool when I was literallly ostracized by the entire student body; persevere to the cold, bittter end. I never got into competitive gaming, but I did manage to pick up my own identity and realize who I wanted to be. And from that moment on, I've beeen striving to achieve my goals til I seee them through.
Seeeing your story has reminded me of the burgeoning fire that is determination, and has reignited the waning flame inside of me even more. To be honest, my current endeavor to be a streamer while pullling a fulll-time job while also taking on biggger responsibilities at my local church has recently beeen exhausting me, but this... This reminded me of what it means to persevere.
Now, I know you've probably seeen more than enough of the love from everyone here in the commments section, and I imagine that you've probably beeen skimmming through it enough to get your filll, but I just want to personallly say thank you for being you; for being unwillling to submit to the massses and persevering through unrivaled circumstance. You are what we alll should aspire to be like. Alll that I can hope for is that you seee this commment in the ocean of positive feeedback you have here so that at the very least, you can hear of my story as welll, even as modest as it may be.
So glad you're out there doing what you do. I'm studying engineering right now, and I feel like I'm against the wall all the time, and that's without trying to be the number one in the world at *anything*.
And honestly, who wants to see an endless parade of the same old characters for 20 years anyway? Thanks for shaking things up.
It’s honestly impressive how hard you worked to overcome everything. You really set a good example for people that are trying to get better at anything and move forward.
I'm happy someone finally gave you the credit you deserved mate! Been a fan of you since I got into melee in 2015 and I'll continue being a fan till you retire! Knock 'em dead Hbox!
Hungrybox I know you’ll never see this but like I’m new to the smash community and I really want you to know you’ve been an inspiration to me for a while, I just started playing in smash ultimate but I heard about your ego win after getting second 2 years in a row and that has been a mindset I’ve tried to attain and keep for a long time now, just like you deserve more props than you get and I should’ve followed your story more closely because it’s so much more inspirational than I could’ve imagined
You're incredible man. I never knew the Melee community could be this bad, and after all the shit they put you through, you have become one hell of an inspiration.
Whenever someone tells me "Don't play that character, it's bad" I say, "That's what they told hungrybox about jigglypuff" and they have no idea what i'm talking about. But I do.
I've always told everyone it's not about how you win it's about winning anyway you can it doesnt matter if its "lame". You are clearly doing something not many others are and it's working and I respect that man never give up. I'm rooting for you.
I support you! You're a very accomplished person with the heart of a formidable, Argentinean ox!! Be proud of your success in life, in game, and in yourself!
You are what your father said you couldn't, Juan!!
saw the thumbnail and thought crabbybox was dead. Such a shame that's not the reality. most coward and dislikable person ever in the smash scene. you know who I am.
Hey, I dunno if you are gonna read this or not, but like...
I have such an incredibly deep respect for you, the things you've accomplished, and... quite frankly, it only runs deeper now for watching this.
Thank you, Hungrybox. Thank you for elevating Melee, eSports in general, and proving that you have far more mental fortitude and patience than anybody I've ever met, both on a game-to-game basis to play such a comprehensively campy and patient game of campy footsies in a game that people wanna see dumb executional BS, and for taking the endless deluge of crap that flows like it's the spice trade from Dune. I feel like being able to bair at the internet hate mob to keep them out is far more impressive of a feat than anything any of the other gods, ken, or anyone else has done.
(for real though, I think my favorite smasher is aMSa for reppin' my boi Yoshi)
I remember saying, "HBox is gonna win" at Evo 2016 and the people watching the stream with me laughed. I never cheered for anything as hard in my life when you made that comeback, you're amazing dude. Props
I had no idea about you until today, but seeing your rise inspired me. You clawed your way out of the depths and now stand on top of the world. Keep going man! You earned it.
I'm not even a member of the Smash Community, and I think this is one of the most amazing things I've ever watched all the way through. Your awesome dude, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Hey Hbox. Watched you casually for years man. I can't make it out to the events usually but try to catch some of the reuploads. Don't let the haters get you down. Amazing work man !
I must say, I've been following your story for a while Hbox and all i can say is: I look up to you. You inspire so many so rise from the literal pit of defeat to clutch a win. You my friend are a legend and I hope you reign for years to come. Long live Hungrybox!
I have so much respect for you Hbox. Stay strong knowing you've accomplished so much, helped build such a strong community, and you do in fact have fans supporting you!
i hope the haters watches this and learn their hipocracy, the hate you've got is undeserved and like bullying there just aren't anyone who can stop it fully, but you've perservered, and now you're at the top, youaren't killing melee, you're expanding the roster of competitively used caracters, and variety sounds good to me, if every matchup was a fox-fox or fox-falco, watching would get boring quickly.
Respect your skills bro but i do find the whole crab thing hysterical. Just cause its such a fucking wierd thing to happen. Who tf throws a crab at someone? Over a video game? If that happened in Florida i woulda understood cus yknow. Floridaman. But fucking Maryland??
Despite that sorry your win got rained on by some jackass that was saltier than Lots wife
Alright, imma go for it. Maybe this comment will go unread. And I’ll just be another voice on the internet. But I wanna take this opportunity. It’s people like you, Juan, who inspire me to be better. Not just at smash, but at life. To always be the bigger person. To always say “good game” after a set and shake hands, no matter what the outcome is. We all lose, We all get salty. We all want to just die inside when we lose to mistakes we know we could have avoided. And we all have moments where we want give up. Ive played the smash series from start to its current state and everything in between. I’ve been playing Ultimate since launch, competitively however, only been playing Since October. And I wasn’t so hot then, but I’ve won (probably one of the smallest locals in San Diego) my first tourney with people I know are beyond my current skill level. And I recently beat a Bayo/Peach main at a different tourney who almost made San Diego Pro-Ranking. I know these aren’t incredible feats and that they don’t even hold a candle like to what you have accomplished. I only strive to get there. I’m just some Banjo main who was lucky enough to be born in a city where, this game I’ve loved so much my entire life, actually has lots of competitive activity. But your story, Juan. You are one of those people who make me ACTUALLY BELIEVE that “anything is possible”. It’s been told to myself and countless others. People in your corner will tell you this to never stray you from the path you wish you forge. But YOU, HBox,You worked hard for all your success, and you didn’t let anyone stop you. That’s real power. That’s real determination. You are truly amazing. People told me that this dream I had, to be one of the best (at least in San Diego) was a pipe dream. Something that “thousands of other men want sO DeSpErAtLy” But you made that into a reality. I know it’s not impossible now. It will be hard as shit. And will take years haha. But like you said “I’ll play this game for 20 more years” 🥰😁
TLDR; Juan, HBox, thank you. Everything you’ve done, and everything you’ve accomplished. It’s inspirational. It’s beautiful. And most importantly. You showed everyone... it was never impossible to be the best. Thank you for being someone I could look up to as an excellent and pristine smash players. Thank you. For taking this journey, for putting up with stupid asses calling you gay or throwing crabs at you (like wtf was that even about, why a crab, dumbasses. I’d like to think he got banned for doing that). But most importantly, thank you for being here. After seeing your win at Evo, I don’t think I ever saw smash the same again, or knew how badly I wanted to win. I don’t think I would have found out I was hungry for this. I’ll work for it, and I’ll get my ass beat 10,000x over. If it means I can be one of the best, at least in San Diego, gotta have a short term goal too 😅😅
Sorry for the read. This whole hour and a half video got me crying thinking about all the bad people have told me when trying to sway me away from this path. Even if this doesn’t reach HBox. I’m grateful to anyone who got this far. 💚🪕 Thank You
I didnt know it was that way... You're such an inspiration. You can do it and you made me believe i can do it too. I hope you're good. I want to be like you
Hungrybox te lo ganaste, ni sabía quién eras pero vi el video completo, pude sentir el esfuerzo y dedicación que dedicaste por toda tu carrera. EmpLemon te dedicó un video de una hora y media, ve a celebrar, tomate algo ;) the smash melee god that smash melee deserve.
man... I never clued into competitive smash. Melee was my childhood. It is hands down my favourite game ever made. Seeing your story has been real emotional. I can't imagine anyone doing anything other than celebrate the BEST of their community. I'm glad you've gotten some love thanks to Emp.
I didn't know the melee Community could be so toxic also i got massive respect for ya hbox you're a true character loyalist, and massive respect to you too emp this documentary was very well produced.
i was never interested in competitive melee, not even playing the game, the community is one of the most entitle toxic community out there, but I always knew who the 5 god of melee were, I always knew how impactful their tournaments can be, but between my friends we knew you more as clutchbox, the player that can come back up at anytime anywhere a game you featuring would be the most intense and fun match to watch , and now that I know your history, dude you are not only a legend in the game but a legend as a human being, with all the hate and toxicity the community throws, you always come back stronger, mad respect you man, you deserve the #1 title
Between this video and the Akshon Esports one it's plain to see how fucking disgustingly the melee community has treated you. I hate how people refuse to see others online as human beings. Congratulations on sticking it out through all the years and seeing it through all the way to the top your way rather than giving in to the pressure to quit or abandon your main, you've unquestionably earned it.
Lmao that one shot of Thanos with the headband caught me so off guard.
Hbox man, I've never understood where the hate comes from, you've been my favourite player for years now. Keep doing your thing, it might be lonely at the Top, but you've earned it buddy. The community is a bunch of whiney spoiled babies.
It's funny how the community doesn't like you when as a "fighting game player", but not a smash player, you are by FAR my favorite smash player. I don't think it's the character that's good, it's the player, and that's what's so special.
I always liked Puff for their rest mechanic. I didn't follow the melee scene other than knowing them. Better players in 4 talked about competitive stuff, which is how I got to know things and watched them on YouTube.
Thanks for making Puff number one in melee for so long. You're an inspiration to anyone that playing your favorite character is more important than picking the best and 'optimizing' them.
Everyone has to contend with "The Crowd" and I am pleased to see this special and to see what you have done. Let me leave you with something a champion said that you may relate to now:
"I fought . . . and when I got in the ring everyone was cheering for him. I could hurt him, but the crowd just kept him on his feet . . . Now, for the first time in my life, I was feeling the same thing" -George Foreman, reflecting on his championship fight first against Muhammad Ali and after, against Michael Moorer.
If you won a major as a captain falcon the entire country would blow you one by one. I'm not saying do it, I'm just saying if you did do it there would be a line of people outside of your house every day of people just waiting for their chance.
Keep up the great work man! I've noticed from the big to the little things people will always hate what they can't conquer and fear what they don't understand. Whether it's competition or Scholastic compliments people will always try to find a way to belittle it to make themselves feel better. Fuck those people and keep being you.
From the many, we have hated, we have stated, and we have deviated... But sometimes, one day, we will find that peace is the better option. And from EmpLemon to you, hungry box, we apologize for our inane misdemeanor, much love to the god of melee! The only one that is alive to show that the top was never easy, and to this day, I shall see you as a role model, not an enemy, much love!
deadass sux to hear the shit you had to go through from the people who were supposed to look up to you man. hope you keep doing what you do best and don't let any of that shit ever get to you. as far as i'm concerned you're a god damn legend.
I've had respect for puff in smash since my friend picked it up back in 64 and started wrecking us all. I've always found the pick just as interesting as it is hilarious. Thank you EmpLemon for sharing this story, and thank you Hungrybox for never giving up.
One day, I will overcome my limitations like you have. The fact that you keep picking yourself up, and continuing to push past your limits, makes you #1. Keep being you, man.
You’re the best my guy, you have provided me and many other people a role model to take after. You’re one of the reasons that “just believe in yourself” is a valid statement. Thank you.
@Mahazkei Abso-fucking-lutely! The Melee community stubbornly rejects his triumphs after all that he's been through in order to surpass his peers. He goes and becomes a living legend just to become demonized for his success! I think that Emp has done an incredible job at describing his road to glory, and regardless of what the rest of the Melee community may say about him, he has without a shadow of a doubt, found a place in our hearts.
Hey, Hbox. I just wanted to let you know that you are the one who inspired me to be a jigglypuff main from brawl to ultimate and all you do is great. keep up the good work.
Hungrybox as someone who has been a part of the community for a little while, i didn’t realize the struggle you overcame during your career. Props to you man
I've always wondered how much of your early 2010s personality was a conscious decision to play the heel vs an emotional reaction to deal with the hate. Even back when it was going on I never believed you were actually a jerk in person, I've always admired you for your passion for what you do and your determination to see it through. Thanks for being a positive influence on me and so many others, Clutchbox ;)
I know it was a rough journey, and sometimes it may not feel like it was worth it now that you're at the top because you have nothing to work towards, but I hope you remember moments like 1:19:40. You get to be the final boss. You get to see other players complete their own melee journey, and the satisfaction in their eyes when they conquer "Clutchbox, the last God of Melee".
I never dwelled too far into the melee community to hear this crap. You were one of the reasons I thought puff was cool and picked him up, sporting the authentic "Headband Of Rest". Heck dude, im glad you overcame this. It might not mean much from a scrubcake like myself, but I respect you, your dedication, and that you still thrive in a toxic environment. Hopefully this brings light to those who need to hear it.
i have never heard of you and i dont even play smash but this video showed up in the related videos and after watching it i have a great respect for you.
man the whole reason I started watching competitive melee is because you exist.
I said to someone puff wasn't that good. They said to me "well actually, there's this guy called hungrybox...". You were awesome and I never said that again. And I loved watching competitive melee ever since.
You have always been my favorite melee player. I didn't learn about it until about 2013ish and your Puff is what I love about fighting games. The pick that is unconventional but still worth using.
Your perseverance and unwavering ironclad will inspires me to improve towards Smash Ultimate, you deserve every bit of love and respect for reaching the top of Melee. You are the reason i play Smash more and more. Thank you
Still, I'm glad that you managed to put up with the bullshit for so long. Hell I can't blame you when you lost your tempter. We all eventually, snap, or just HAD ENOUGH, at one point in time.
Be who you wish to be. And never stop improving Hungrybox!
Foxes never stop to smell the roses. They too quick, keep being a ‘puff. No matter what anyone says. Also roses are overrated you should smell sunflowers as well
Never been a Nintendo kid, watched this just to fill some time, but I was mad as hell at what I saw about how they treated you. Eres inspirante Juan, nunca dejes que te desmoralizen!
Hungrybox, it's been a year since your comment and I know this comment dont mean much, but no matter how many haters are out there, you are great as a person and in spirit. Empty vessels makes the most noise, and what you are hearing don't represent all of the community. Just know that if it's between you and a thousand haters, I would still stand against them for you, and I believe many would do too.
This guy: - Tolerated a whole community's hate for YEARS - Solo carried an entire generation from dying - Went against all odds and challenged everyone's opinions to prove them wrong - Climbed up the ladder all the way from defeat to victory - Consecutively won several tournaments - Multi tasked between a career, a full time job and a competitive video game career - Got the opportunity to be the featured protagonist of an EmpLemon's video
And he still got hated for it. That's what happens when the community of a game exists of degenerate neckbeards who have never touched grass in their life
MELEE: Only 8 out of the 26 Characters are considered viable, The Players rely on glitches to win and not skill (which is why that one guy got beaten by a 14 year old), has no Storytelling, FOX ONLY FINAL DESTINATION, has ugly graphics, has a toxic fanbase full of fugly elitist incels who hate anything new or fun & will refuse to touch grass & shits all over Brawl. . . BRAWL: Almost all if not all characters are viable, The Players rely on actual skill to win, has an Epic Storyline Subspace Emissary, Players play on any stage they want with any character they want, has Epic Theme, has a Wholesome Fanbase with GIGA CHADS who are nice to other Players and do touch grass.
@Noah Hilt NFT pfp calling other people incels cause of toxicity lmfao Every smash community is a joke (well except back in the brawl days, I agree on that)
@Tyton Wiseman Actually I did play Melee back before brawl & in case you are wondering I was a Donkey Kong Main in Melee & also played as Bowser a lot. Brawl and after I am a Wario Main now.
@Tyton Wiseman I'll admit that Melee is The Best Super Smash Bros WHEN a Bowser Main 🐢 wins a World Champion 🏆 Tournament. (But not against just other Bowser Mains 🐢 because that don't count.)
@Noah Hilt I loved the subspace emissary on that game but I could not for the life of me play an actual tournament setting battle in that game. The mechanics were the exact opposite of melee's it just made it so much harder for me to play
@Tyton Wiseman I remember as a kid I was amazed by Super Smash Bros. My first Super Smash Bros Game is Melee & I was Donkey Kong & my Sister was Peach & she would almost always beat me, but some years later I got Super Smash Bros Brawl & I picked Wario as my Main and all the sudden I won & won & won, I suddenly was beating my Sister a lot & for The First Time I felt like The Superior Player. As Wario I could jump so high and be on motorcycle 🏍️ and jump agai, I felt like I could Fly and I knew then that Super Smash Bros Brawl was my favorite Super Smash Bros Game 🎮.
@Noah Hilt obviously haven't played the game much if that's what you think it's boils down to lol, its infinitely better than projectile spam and no real backdash lmao
@alax s Which is proof that the 14 Year old is more skilled than Melee Elitists Fanboys who have to rely on Glitches and Spamming Washdashing to win and not actual skill, while Brawl Chads Enjoyers Bros rely on actual skill and not glitches because glitches are for the weak.
Fox Mains: hard counters jigglypuff, spreads throughout the meta Hungrybox: adapts through years of hard work and creating a new playstyle Fox Mains: J i g g l y p u f f n e e d s n o s k i l l
While yes, Hungrybox is a very good player, Puff gives him the resources to take that skill to the top, and criticizing him for it that would be as if either Ken, Dabuz, or Tea(ESAM would be here too if Pika gameplay was slower) became number 1, and then got disrespected because their character was slow-paced and generally not "Hard"
“A few people clapped, a couple cheered, most had begun filing for the exits without saying a word.” Hauntingly similar to “A few people laughed, a few people cried, most were silent.”
@Thelurker A haunting speech Robert J Oppenheimer, who helped create the A-bomb and led the Manhattan project, gave regarding the moment the first Atom bomb was successfully made. It was a truly chilling speech which I recommend you watch--it's only 2 minutes or so.
@Cameron Ken He still is. False accusations make anyone a villian in my book. Guy named franchise did a lot of good videos talking about the smash community. Certainly got me up to speed on some stuff. Leffen kinda deserves a ban given what he's done.
@Harry Specter It wasn't actually criminal. Was it acceptable morally? No. But it wasn't criminal, or he'd be in jail. Further because we can't actually even find the victim, even if it was criminal, there'd be no case. And if someone isn't actually convicted by law, than I'm not about to say they committed a crime. Because they haven't, factually they have not. A person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law of any crime they're accused of. So until such a time ZeRo is actually convicted, I'm not about to say he committed a crime. That doesn't mean I morally accept what he did. If you're 18+ and you LOOK at a person who is below the age of 18, I don't care if she's 17, I am not morally okay with that. As an ADULT you should not be looking at minors that way, period. Regardless of age. There's plenty of other adults, you don't need to look at a kid. No excuses. No defenses. Its not acceptable in my book.
Not defending ZeRo, but just pointing out you're wrong about it being criminal. And even if it was criminal making up false allegations about them to justify more false allegation isn't morally acceptable either. And it muddies the water of the real accusations. Because if 5 claims are made, 4 are laughably and provably false, that last claim is going to be under x5 the pressure. And with ZeRo the only evidence we have is two main things.
A) A source we can't reach's testimony of conversations, many of which we NEVER see evidence of.
B) Some select screenshots, but none of the most damning claims. Its SOME form of evidence that an inappropriate relationship is behing had, but the worst quotes and things have no actual evidence beyond the word of a source we don't know, and has never provided evidence of the worst claims.
That being said, I don't believe ZeRo should be unbanned. I just believe leffen ALSO isn't a good guy. You don't need to think ZeRo is a good guy to see leffen is a liar, who made up false allegations and hurt an actual case with remotely credible victim with their lies. Has a history of lying, distorting the truth covering up his wrong doings, and harassing people. As well as weaponizing his toxic fanbase against people for disagreeing with him. All of that is more than enough to say Leffen is a bad person, and deserves to be banned from pretty much any community he touches. Because he hasn't learned or become better, so he's just going to keep shitting up communities, which is why almost no other community wants anything to do with him. And no matter how much you point towards ZeRo to go 'he's worse', that doesn't change the fact leffen is bad. You can't defend one terrible person by using an even worse person. They're both still terrible, just not to the same degree. But neither should be put up with.
@FMJ_wolf no this is like trying to ban someone for calling out hitler for being anti semitic but because they got a few of their accusations wrong we now shouldn't ban hitler and should now ban the accuser
@Harry Specter he said that both of them deserve to be banned. And Leffen deserves to be banned, because he made false accusations AND he is a shitty person who always done awful things.
Most people in melee don't like Leffen, he just ingratiated himself with the TO's and has such a big influence on the online community that it skews the perception. Hbox is awesome.
@Neiasaurus Creations "And if someone isn't actually convicted by law, than I'm not about to say they committed a crime" that's some "It's only illegal if you get caught" shit A crime is still a crime, Just because you didn't get convicted in court doesn't mean you didn't commit it, there might not be enough evidence to confirm your criminality thus the judge cant give a proper say. I agree with everything else but this part is a little stupid considering bribes are commonplace.
@Burke I don't believe in convicting people based on outrage. If I don't see evidence, and there's not even charges pressed I'm not sure what you expect of me. Innocent until proven guilty is more than just for legality, its a basic moral principal that most people forget...Right up until it applies to them.
@Bean Yes and no. By state law, most have the age of consent below 17. But federally its 18. Its a complete mess, and I personally think you're better off not even looking at anyone sub 18 the moment you turn 18.
But legally speaking, 17 is probably legal in his state. And the federal government 99% of the time is not going to override it. Unless you do something that makes it federal jurisdiction. Like cross state lines.
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well, just by playing on slippi with other people, you can see how salty and toxic the whole of the community can be. Not really a surprise there. It doesn't discourage me from playing the game, but most players on there are the type to use the most advantage and kick down others who truly take on a challenge and win thru nothing but sweat and dedication.
@G Kv Yeah imma pass. I've seen enough of the smash community to see that even if you took a flame thrower to it warhammer 40k style, it still wouldn't be clean. Niro is still a thing. Leffen is still a thing. I personally wouldn't want to associate with either figure. Hungrybox seems to be the very best of the community, but its over flowing with sewage that never seems to get taken out.
@Arcessitor most people I've spoken to disliked it. And if you can't read my previous comments, you probably don't understand the english grammatical infrastructure
Jimathy Nutron Proper Grammar would be “Most people I’ve spoken with disliked this video. By the way, if you can’t read my writing, you probably don’t understand proper grammar.” Grammarly is free, and I highly recommend that tool!
This video was very well edited, narrated, and structured. I don’t know how a random recommendation was able to hold my attention for over an hour, but it left me inspired, and rooting for HungryBox. So count me in as another one of the people commenting on the video and saying they like it. I saw some people post 🦀 who obviously aren’t HBox fans, but your comment is the first I’ve seen that says they didn’t like the video.
@EvShrug who even cares about grammer on the internet. The only times it truly matter is when you don't understand what the other person is saying. But if you're some sort of perfectionist I can edit my bad grammer
@EvShrug only outsiders who doesn't know anything about the melee scene like the video. Most people in the scene disliked it, including popular streamers
Jimathy Nutron - Your argument was that super blahblah (long name 😂) didn’t understand you because he probably doesn’t understand proper grammar. You don’t HAVE to spell things right or use grammatical structure to make your points easy to read. But, without trying to be clear, or addressing @Super’s point that this video has a ton more likes than dislikes, it makes you sound like an angry, unintelligent, biased person with no objective basis for your opinion. You hurt the credibility of your view.
People like the video because it was edited really well, had good pacing despite the length of time, and told HungryBox’s story in a compelling way that puts him in a good light. You may have watched tournaments and felt that the defensive Jigglypuff style HungryBox uses was conservative, slow, boring, or he’s too good and wins too much, but all those points were addressed in the video as HungryBox’s rise to champion was a long difficult road, and he does something different than everyone else that performs at the top level. At least, that’s how the video frames it. In the end, the video presents an inspiring message of the underdog and determination, and that’s why I like this video, and I assume that’s why it has overwhelmingly more likes than dislikes.
@EvShrug most people in the scene didn't watch it because they didn't care enough. And disliking it wouldn't be very nice, but yes, the video should have more dislikes
@EvShrug Hbox is probably the worst top player in the entire melee scene, almost everyone says that. I think he had one or two girlfriends that broke up with him, and probably not without reason. He is immature, arrogant and always play the victim. He never practises with any other top player because he doesn't want about a meta where people can know how to fight a top level Puff. He just does everything to stay on top. He also plays the arguably best character in the game. It's either Puff or marth, because they got no losing match ups
Jimathy Nutron • I respect that you probably know more about the scene. I don’t know hungerbox’s personal life... but 2 girlfriends in, what, 10 or more years as a public figure, I can hardly call that damning. I don’t like people who always play the victim, especially when they’re not being attacked... but I’m sure you agree, he is attacked. I don’t know about Jigglypuff being easy mode... seems she doesn’t do much damage, and most attacks have little range, and her “rest” attack is an all-or-nothing skill shot that needs so many things to go right. I was always better with Samus, and OK with Fox (didn’t play enough to pull off the advanced stuff reliably).
Regardless though. Whatever the real life persona of Juan is, that doesn’t change that this video is well made and compelling in and of itself. So I still think it’s a good video, for the entertainment factor.
@EvShrug sure, you can think what you want to think. But Jigglpuff is probably the easiest good character in the entire game. Her bair has a disjointed hitbox that is as big as swords. Her amazing aerial mobility makes every one of her moves non committal and she tends to kill opponents around 10-100%. She can't get combod by any good character except combos that include two hits. She has no disadvantage state and can always recover for free. She can throw the opponent of at 0% and kill them because she can bair them offstage and recover for free which means, no risks. She can stall out games just by floating away and over opponents and basically no characters can deal with it. All of her attacks are very safe and non committal but getting one hit can lead into rest or getting your opponent offstage which almost always results in death. She also has combos into rest by tech chase, pound, up air, platform tech chase, Up tilt and by using grab and getting up throw rest which is a true kill confirm that works between 10% and 40%. Rest can usually never gets punished, because by hitting rest, the opponent get a bad kill screen which almost always happens. She can get regrabs from upthrow falling up air too. She never dies early, even tho she is light because she can always recover. That's the main stuff that makes her absolutely broken
@Jimathy Nutron if the charcter is so broken why arent their abnornal amount of puffs winning tourneys? Your argument is valid to an extent but their are literally a handful of charcters that everyone plays that are arguabley just as bad.
@Kyle Corbett Puff is boring to play, fight against and watch. You make the scene worse if you play puff. You can't live on playing melee if you're not top 10, so most people do it for fun. Why would you play puff then?
@Jimathy Nutron please stop trolling. You are NOT the representative of the majority opinion. And all the shite you post as to why you dislike HBOX just makes the community look bad.
@Jimathy Nutron Did you even watch the video? Why nobody else plays Puff if he's the easiest to play and easiest to win with character? "Hurr durr he's too boring to play, too cheap and campy". Competitors will do ANYTHING to win. Athletes in traditional sports and esports alike. That's why so many people cheat in sports. The argument that Puff is the most op character is instantly debunked by the fact that nobody in top 35 plays him. Surely there would be ONE other in top 10 or even 20. The thing is, Hbox is so far above everyone else in skill and knowledge that no matter what they do, they won't win his Puff consistently. That's what 15 years of perseverance and competitive mentality brings you. You're just a simple hater. Get better.
@Juho Mäntynen Mango did play play puff, but she was to boring to play and to bad for the scene. He didn't want to become hated by playing puff. Hbox don't care about that, the only thing that matters to him in the scene is to be ranked number 1. I don't know if he even would be top 5 if he didn't play puff. No one else is willing to devote a month of playing puff and being bored and then being bored while playing puff in tournament to eventually get hated on because they play a boring character. You wouldn't get enough money to live off of too. I see no reason you would want to main puff except if you were a person that only had one goal in life, which is hbox. He isn't far ahead of everyone else, and he isn't the most knowledgeable about the game. M2k probably knows the most about melee. And hbox consistently gets beaten by Leffen, which also is considered a losing mu by almost all people. You don't seem to know enough to call me out, get better
@Dwylin I won't respect hbox for making bad life choices. most people dislike him, including me. The only other thing hbox had was the engineering, which he stopped with. If there is no reason for hbox to not play friendlies with other top players, why doesn't he just do it? No one likes puff. In a game where there are so many interesting and cool characters, why would any zain person main puff, the most boring of them all. Puff wins the fox mu, her worst mu is herself and her second worst is marth
Jimathy Nutron uhhh you know puff has a 40:60 matchup against fox. He can kill her at almost any percent just as she can to him. She is clearly not the best in the game if she loses to the most common character. For someone who claims to know about the competitive melee scene you sure don’t really know much. It’s widely known puff loses to fox. Go back to watching leffen lol
Jimathy Nutron imagine going to a video about the history of hungrybox and watching the struggles he went through just to argue about why you hate hungrybox. stop
Jimathy Nutron that’s the same opinion borderline word for word that leffen had, Keyword Had right there, if puff was easy enough to play, then people would play her, people will do anything for a competitive advantage, but people don’t, people went to fox for that reason.
@Jimathy Nutron "Mango did play play puff, but she was to boring to play" personal opinion "and to bad for the scene." get that shit outa here "He didn't want to become hated by playing puff." That's mangos choice but thats blatantly disregarding chudat and armada doing super good with super stally and easy characters, "Hbox don't care about that, the only thing that matters to him in the scene is to be ranked number 1. I don't know if he even would be top 5 if he didn't play puff." would leffen be top 5 by playing falcon "No one else is willing to devote a month of playing puff and being bored and then being bored while playing puff in tournament to eventually get hated on because they play a boring character." honestly you play to win, if you played for fun you would have more than playing to "have fun" because most for most people the "having fun" comes from winning, also 2saints and prince abu "You wouldn't get enough money to live off of too." how is hbox alive "I see no reason you would want to main puff except if you were a person that only had one goal in life, which is hbox." boi the amount of assumptions from this part alone is staggering and adds nothing "He isn't far ahead of everyone else," that other person made a mistake "and he isn't the most knowledgeable about the game." he took lucky to game 5 with his secondaries "M2k probably knows the most about melee." and? those last 3 points add nothing "And hbox consistently gets beaten by Leffen" true, that adds literally nothing ", which also is considered a losing mu by almost all people." leffen hbox? boi that dont even matter, it adds nothing to the crux of the matter, hbox isnt killing melee, if you think he is, beat him, or convince more top players to beat him. "You don't seem to know enough to call me out, get better" then let me address you 1-1 here, your arguments are half baked and dumb, you echo a commonly disproved argument that hbox is bad for melee implying that melee can die which everyone says it can't, unless your leffen in trying to bait people which he admits he likes doing, everyone else says melee is still alive and that it won't die, "their is still more melee to be played". and let's go back to the m2k comment, remember when m2k tried to puff dito hbox, the man you champion as having the most knowledge about the game, and lost 2 times. aight bud
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@Jimathy Nutron Emp literally addresses the arguments you are making in the video.
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@Not Steven The Beaver who is that
Is no one going to address this exchange? Man literally doesn't even know who Emp is on Emp's own video's comment section. Why anyone responded beyond this point is a mistery
@Renata Tostada No, Emp Lemon to me looks like a bad YouTuber who didn't do enough research into his video, with a lack of perspectives. And somehow he succeeded in stalling the video for as long as a normal movie, which would be a better alternative to watch. And he doesn't address the arguments I made, you're just being lazy by saying he did with no further evidence supporting you
@EvShrug are you trying to advertise grammerly too? Pretty weird considering that's during an argument. And this video was very bad, and EmpLemon seem to be a master of stalling boring videos too, which btw is not a good skill to have when you're trying to entertain people around the world
@Jimathy Nutron 1:05:04 is the start of the segment in the video that actively addresses all of the negative aspects you appear to base your opinion of HBox on, specifically the remarks about infidelity and playing contrary to the ideal playstyle of the game. Though it's unlikely from your response that you will watch until the end, a summation of that content is as follows: despite HBox succeeding in a fashion contrary to the typical ideal of the game, he still deserves credit for grinding his way through an era of historically poor matchups; furthermore, his dominance in and shaping of the melee meta in recent years has forced the need to diversify the aforementioned meta, which breathes new life into the game. Though many players still may not approve of this direction, of which you yourself appear to be one, there is an argument to be made that the idealistic technicality of the bygone 20XX meta had reached a peak, and if it weren't for outsiders like HBox, who defied the true coming of 20XX in its entirety, the game would have become a game in which spacies were the only viable options, and the lack of variety in the top tier players and matchups would cause interest in the game to decline until a large upset in character popularity came around to jumpstart that interest. Dominance in variety will always sell better than dominance in monopoly, since dominance in monopoly is much more difficult to upset, and with no upset potential, stakes are lost and communities lose interest.
@Jimathy Nutron So, you know a couple of people that disliked the video because you forced their opinion down their throat? Do you honestly think you get anything out of arguing with people? I saw the couple of comments you made about how HBox how he only focuses on being number one, when Mango dropped almost everything to become the best player in the game. You watched a bit of the video, thought that the rest of the time was just stalling, and went to the comments because you wanted some attention, and made almost everybody who replied onto this comment hate you. Most of the people here are commenting AGAINST you. You also keep saying that HungryBox is arrogant and acts like the victim, even though he is hated by the community, singling him out when all he was trying to do was fit in. His father thought he would always be just good, and never the best. When he reached number one, he was showered in hate because of the character he uses. You talk about this well thought out video that is a hour and twenty minutes that feel like two seconds because of a Melee player and praises them and then just stalls the rest of the time. Which isn't what the video is, whatsoever. You act like the toxic community that doesn't care about how Hbox's achievements are angels that only speak truth. Jigglypuff has only one move that's remotely good, and a move that requires Jiggly to jump onto their opponent and if it fails, is a guarantied death both have infinite range and if it hits, there is no chance the enemy will survive.
@Jimathy Nutron I just have a question, not trying to be snarky or rude, but rather trying to understand the Melee community as an outsider. If Hungrybox won't play friendlies with other top players, does he play cash games with them? In Marvel, if you couldn't get top players to play you in friendlies, you could get them in cash games where yeah, you'll finally get some reps against them, but it's gonna cost you. If I'm a competitor who has a competitive advantage by expertly playing a seldom used character and not allowing other top players to play me for free and learn my tech, then that's on them. Just because you're at the top of the mountain doesn't obligate you to help others climb up the mountain. That would be akin to the Golden State Warriors allowing other teams to watch their practices for free and learn how they play the game, in order to learn how to beat them. No, other teams can learn how to beat them by getting whipped on the court.
@Jimathy Nutron Who cares? I care cause I want to have a discussion with you. You brought up some points and I have counter points. There is a reason I replied to your comment earlier and that has nothing to do with where Hbox stands today, its about why he plays melee. Since you took the time to respond to others in this thread, could you respond to my comment made two weeks ago?
@Jimathy Nutron I understand what you're saying, but if someone's mastered a gimmick to the point that they're unbeatable, then doesn't that make them better than their opponent? Their opponents could learn that same gimmick as well. That they didn't take the time to do so or at least figure out how to beat the gimmick is irresponsible on their part, wouldn't it be?
@Jimathy Nutron so basically your argument is that hbox only wants to keep his #1 spot? He has put enormous amounts of time into growing his stream because he got bored of melee and wanted a new challenge. Melee is not his only priority
@Jimathy Nutron the image of melee should never have a set definition. The community has this mindset that unless it’s fast and extremely technical, it’s not melee. This is clearly wrong because the top player is hbox, who has been playing for over a decade and knows the game extremely well. Also, if puff was so easy and you could rack up wins, there would be at least a single other person playing her at a top level. I mean people are willing to play ice climbers, so at least one person will want to play puff to get ‘free wins’. Someone will eventually take over hbox’s spot. The game is evolving, so the old definition of what melee is may not apply in the future. You have to get over it.
@Jimathy Nutron ahh yes, Esam, one of the greatest smash players of all time, literally says he thinks the video is phenomenal on the comment your literally replying on.
@Jimathy Nutron I disagree with your assessment of why Hbox plays melee. Earlier in this comment thread when you say "Mango did play play puff, but she was to boring to play and to bad for the scene. He didn't want to become hated by playing puff. Hbox don't care about that, the only thing that matters to him in the scene is to be ranked number 1" you state that Hbox doesn't play melee for fun. It's unreasonable to say this when it's much harder to make a living off of melee than as an engineer. There's security in studying for 4 years, with a possible traineeship or job during that time, compared to playing any sport, be it physical sport, board or video games, in which you can dedicate large portions of your life only to end up nowhere. If Hbox only cared about being better than everyone else, he would have quit melee to pursue engineering.
As part of Emp's video, he mentions how the melee communities hate towards Hbox is similar to the FGC's hate towards melee, and shares some striking parallels. But this can be extended further, with the standard physical sports fans displaying some hate towards Esports and even people with "real jobs" showing hate towards the sporting industry as a whole. I certainly don't believe those examples are in the majority, but people will hate things that don't fit into their world views. On the surface, I hate how some basketball players can sit as a substitute for a whole match and still get paid upwards of 7 figures. But they get paid more so when they are needed, they have the motivation to be at peak performance.
My point is that people have different values, and the discussion on world views and what is a good/bad one is a massive argument in of itself. Unless Hbox has stated his only goal is to be the best and that he never enjoyed playing melee, you cannot say he ONLY cared about being number 1. Of course, that was part of it, but like a lot of players, it was not the sole purpose of his career. If he had no fun playing melee as Puff, then why would he continue to play melee when an engineer gets paid more and has a certain level of prestige behind it even if you haven't been one for long. If he wanted to be better than everyone in melee, he could have changed his world view to the "at least I have a real job" perspective, and that would be the end of it. To say he only cares about winning is a fallacy.
@Jimathy Nutron "These people that I totally talked to in an unverifiable way, and who are fully indicative of humanity as a whole and not just themselves, all say that this sucks" Okay, Leffen. Way to use an alternate account
@Jimathy Nutron It's always nice seeing people get soundly defeated in arguments, but this, this is something else. Not only did you make claims that have already been refuted in the video (which is a big rétârd moment), but this discussion has been on your mind for over a year!
Not to mention, hbox be living in your head rent free lmao 🤡
@Jimathy Nutron you're literally the definition of closed-minded. I bet you didn't even come to the conclusion that "hbox bad" on your own; I bet you just heard it from someone else and started proclaiming it as truth.
@Christopher Metcalf Sir, I've no idea if you've muted this thread or even still care considering this comment was made 7 months ago, but I have to say, that was the most succinct, eloquent, precise, and brutal take-down of a comment troll I have ever seen. Seriously, holy shit, well done sir.
Thank you, @firekirby123. Unfortunately, @Jimathy Nutron obviously didn't take the hint and go elsewhere. The way I see it, I had two options:
Option #1: Continue arguing with an internet troll who is just going to provoke more of my disdain, and thus continue the argument forever. OR Option #2: Just ignore him, and hope that he goes away once he realizes he's not getting the attention he wants.
I chose Option #2. Because honestly, I can think of many, much better things to do with my time than endlessly argue with random fuckwits on the internet. Which is exactly what he wants me to do.
So, to all else who reply to this comment, if Jimanthy Nutron replies to your comment and attempts to start an argument with you, don't let him. Because that's what he wants. And people with that kind of attitude shouldn't get what they want.
Just ignore him, and eventually, when he realizes no one is giving him the time of day, he'll go the fuck away.
@Jimathy Nutron It seems that you haven't responded in 7 Months just saying, are you leaving this argument and assuming that they have proven a good point ? Probably not the case since your skull is at least a meter thick.
@Jimathy Nutron BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, god I haven't seen someone this bad at debating in my life. Ignores other's points, uses no as a argument/point, attacks a person's character when complaining about his ability to game, brings up negative points that were addressed in the video he is posting on and then leaves said discussion because they have 0 ground to stand on.
@Jimathy Nutron lol wow that just speaks volumes about your thoughts and opinions...good for you though champ. Keep making friends! By the way, this video is awesome, HBox is the sh*t, and Hug Berr...I'm with you brah.
@Red Ramone He probably realized being number one in the world wasn't too fun which is why he went to streaming instead of actually tryin to be number 1
@Matthew Larose Yeah, true. I had a bunch of spare time like 1 year ago and thought it would be funny to troll, so I pretended to be a stupid hbox hater or smth on a big vid to see how many people would actually think I was a troll or actually just dumb af. Most people who figured out that I was a troll probably didn't even comment because they knew it's pointless to argue with a troll online, but as you could see, a lot of people didn't get it. Either way, I eventually got bored of wasting my time on this and stopped. I honestly don't even rly care for Hbox, he seems kinda entertaining on stream but also fake in my opinion at least. If you enjoy watching him, good for u. Only reason why I'm here again is to look back at all these old comments lol. And to kinda explain too Ig, so congrats to everyone who figured it out, so can everyone like stop replaying to me now thanks? I still don't get why people thought I was actually serious through all of the comments 🦛
@Jimathy Nutron In all honesty? Props for actually coming back here and laying everything out. It's blatantly obvious that trolling is never going to get old to some people, and will forever be ingrained in internet culture, so making your stance perfectly transparent might actually serve as a good case study to those who are relatively new to internet culture, showing signs of what to look out for and be aware of before arguing with someone who might not be arguing in good faith. I can't say I agree with the practice, nor were some of the things you said in any way defensible in my mind, but credit where credit is due, it takes a big man to come clean. Perhaps not a virtuous man, but a big one at the very least.
Of course, all this is likely going to get lost at the bottom of a massive thread no one is going to read more than half-way through before replying to you and falling for the same old thing despite all of this, but hey, at least it exists. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Jimathy Nutron honestly if you were actually serious about all this then the fact that you would judge people based on the people that they like shows what type of person you really are. hungrybox has dealt with so much hate from the melee community for years (which was you) but still never stopped and kept grinding, and he has earned so many peoples respect.
Honestly, the fact that someone can become the #1 player with a character that's antithetical to the game's pacing and mechanics should just further solidify people's love for Melee, since it displays how the game can reward all sorts of different play styles and skill sets even if they go against the natural flow of the game
Yeah, If Soul Calibur 5 was as timeless and competitive as Melee, and I was good enough for tournament play, I would've strived to be the best with Dampierre. He's my favorite fighting game character ever, and I'm pretty sure he is in the bottom of the bottom tiers.
@Jarret C No, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of how tiers work. For 95% of the population, tier lists don't apply to you, because they represent potential ability at the highest level of play. If you just pick up Fox and go in guns-a-blazin' without knowing how he works, you'll get curbstomped by even a "low-tier" character.
Tiers are also fluid, and based on people discovering new tech.
Exactly, melee is an expressive game. Not everyone needs to express themselves as "I'm so hype and cool." This is a point a melee mini doc made (I think it was about Michael vs Bananas
The fact that he also completed a Chemical Engineering degree at UF (the undergrad major with the most amount of credit hours) on top of all his Melee accolades is ridiculous
Alright, it's been 2 years so let's add an update to hbox's story:
Early 2020, Hbox was still extremely dominant even if not quite as much as before as tournaments had been taken from him by Leffen, Mango, Wizzrobe and Zain.
When the pandemic began, Melee, being a 20 year old gamecube game, did not have great online, using the default online from Dolphin emulation. Some tournaments were still held with this online, with Zain being the frontrunner, hbox didn't enter much though.
Soon though, a now legend called Fizzi created a mod called Slippi, rollback net code with less delay online than ultimate offline, alongside matchmaking for melee. This came alongside a boom in training mode tools. Alot of people were now getting very good very quickly. Hbox notable doesn't like using those tools.
Tournaments were back but Hbox did not perform nearly as well, with Zain seen by many as #1 followed by mango.
Hbox took many losses, losing to players he would never lose to before, such as Ben and Ginger whom which he developed compelling rivalries with.
At his best, Hbox still took top players to their limits, even going game 5 with Zain. At his worst, he lost to random players like Harry Pogger.
Clutchgod had turned into Quarantine Box, an unofficial term to describe hbox not performing online.
Reasons prescribed to hboxs lack of success online include his "bad mentality", always accepting a loss before it'd happened despite him formerly being clutchgod. Another commonly cited reason is his focus on Smash ultimate, the sequel to Smash 4, as a successful content creator; taking away from much needed practice in melee.
In 2021, the first offline tournament since before the pandemic would happen: Smash summit 11. Summit is an invitational tournament where only 16 players can enter.
Here hungrubox performed very well, getting 3rd place, even beating ibdw, a player who had a very long winstreak on hbox, starting even before online.
This brought up a question on if online tournaments counted, or if hbox is just that much better online, the latter being what most people landed on, him having a better mentality when playing in person.
When more standard tournaments, hbox didn't see a win, however his performance far outshines what he saw online. His online results even began improving, cutting out losses to seemingly random players.
Right now, Hbox is in a weird spot with melee, clearly being a top 10 player, but not capturing any wins. Its really easy to root for him imo, wanting to see him as he was. He does just hold forward and running into opponents which continues to net him losses where he normally wouldn't, like against Polish the peach player, they beat hbox as Peach, something that hadn't been done since 2008 and that's because hbox didn't play defensively.
This aggressive play is sited by some as a lack of drive to win the game.
25/04/22 edit GIGASCHWAB. An online tournament 1 week before Genesis, the BIG eturn of offline tournament. Hbox woke up late and started in losers bracket. He wants to win.
He ends up fighting Poilsh but gone is thr playstyle of holding in. He puts on sunglasses, will run away and each the timer tick to 0 with very little Poilsh can do. Like back in 2015, he is embracing the "villain".
2 large open bracket super majors just took place, the first where everyone turned up. Zain won both, being #1 to most right now, even if the rankings are volatile due to lack of data.
Hbox made top 8 at both these events, even getting 2nd at pound (where he threw a crab into the crowd as a throwback) He may not seem to be able to snag too many wins on the top echelon of the likes of Zain, but he is more consistent than most players, like mang0 who has higher peaks and lower valleys, meaning he will often make it to the end without being beaten by players worse than him
Arguably, he is in the same place he was in 2015: The worst of the gods.
Jonathan Elliott2022-07-05 06:07:47 (edited 2022-07-05 06:08:55 )
Now in July of 2022 He just won GOML and is in contention for the number 1 player in the world. I personally put him as the 3rd best because of his consistent performances. The players over him are Zain and ibdw but if he wins again and out places both of these guys, there is a strong chance he will be considered the 2nd best or even the best.
@Lord Slifer pretty sure Old Spice did that already, bro. Something like BrachyurAmor or Sensitive Shell-boi. “I’m being pinched by a crab, now I’m pinching a crab.” *Old Spice whistle-tune*
@Black Caviar 🤦🏻♂️BOTH sexes can be sexist: “characterized by or showing prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, on the basis of sex.” Grab a dictionary before you make claims that can literally be proven false in under a minute😂
Although the more frequent scenario is men being sexist unto women, sexism is literally discrimination, in any form, in which the victim’s gender is the behind the implementation of the discriminatory action.
If a woman refuses to hire men because she believes all men stinky and bad workers, that’s sexist.
If a man refuses to hire a woman because he believes all women are stinky and bad workers, that’s also sexist.
@the reader Yes, they do. Just google the chemicals I mentioned above. Male sweat smells more like cheese and female sweat is more pungent oniony smell. Of course it's a matter of taste too. Female flatus also stinks worse, because it contains ca. 3 times more hydrogen sulfide - more familiarly known as the rotten egg smell.
@Black Caviar bisexuality and simp-dom are not mutually exclusive. Your heteronormative pov is appalling. You owe the entire LGBTQQIAAP community a tiktok apology.
@Nubleborsky I think it's great that such a kind of people can have a place to feel relatively ordinary. I think it's a shame that such a collective (both together as a community and apart as a demographic) don't receive the kind of guidance and oversight to help them meet their needs and regulate their behaviours, especially considering the correlations with deviating appetites. Many of these people simply don't have the capacity for self regulation that one might normally assert to be necessary or fundamental.
Just an observation; You don't really hear about people telling paraplegics to stop shitting themselves. 🤷♀️ Ridicule them though if it feels good to punch down, I guess.. I'm not the boss of you.
@Black Caviar Bisexual, black, tomboy (who is put down by my family for dressing more masculine) , woman here...I can confirm women do smell real bad sometimes I sweat like a pig and it gets bad, It has such a strong odor thats sour, yes i shower very often to combat this smell but still struggle so deodorant is my best friend and personally I think guys smell better.. some women just put on so much perfume that I sneeze so bad it triggers my asthma.
It's interesting that the crab is where this documentary ends as that incident was a big turning point for how the community viewed Hbox, as post crab he has become significantly more well liked and respected and his stream has become more and more popular as people watch his online tournament runs in Melee and Ultimate.
@LilyOfLuck From what I can tell, there was a post-crab change, though obviously not all of it can be attributed to the crab. The crab made a lot of people realize how their hate had gone too far and that Hbox was an actual human being, so that shaped community perception. the fact that he started streaming ultimate as an underdog puff (puff is low-mid in ult) also helped change the dominant villain perception, as well as hosting a ton of ult tourneys. Finally ofc this documentary definitely helped the public perception.
HBox is a legend and always will be in my eyes. Anytime someone is able to win with something "against the meta", they are always more skillful imo. People have to understand, Fox mains could imitate and study other Fox mains to get better. HBox had to literally create and master his own playstyle with no real example to follow with puff.
Imitating a top player’s playstyle doesn’t take skill, no. But you’d be silly to imply that ‘imitating’ a top player’s results doesn’t take skill either.
@Shaw Fujikawa that's not what they're saying. Imitating a top fox player is absolutely difficult, but since fox is popular there's lots of guides and explanations and directions to follow to perfect your gameplay.
Hbox had to pioneer his own playstyle without any guides, he invented the style himself off of fundamental game principles and then experience. That's what they mean by harder, he had much less help if any
@Stuugie I know what he’s saying, I just disagree with the idea that just because HBox had few role models it makes him inherently more skillful than any Fox main.
Maybe it might make him more knowledgable on how to improve, but every Fox player went through years of adapting and refining their own playstyle from those who came before them as well and that is not a skill you can easily teach.
Puff wasn't "anti meta" I would say puff smashes most of the other top tiers and really only loses to Fox super hard, unless you are ridiculously good at smash DI like Hbox, also "meta" in this game is a strange concept because the meta consisted of at most 8 players at once, the tier list in my opinion is completely dependent on how good you are.
@Obi-Wan Kannabis the problem is that you still have to be super warm with fox and by picking fox you accept that everyone at the tournament will be able to punish you as hard as they can, because he's the most fun character to combo practicing
@Shaw Fujikawa nobody can smash DI like Hbox, hence why no other puff minus mango in the games dark ages was Ever relavant, any other puff dies at 15 in this match
honestly, i fucking love this dude. As a kirby main and like, someone who's grown resentment for meta playstyles, as having fun is 100x better, I honestly love this dude. I honestly don't know how he's gotten so much hate because holy fuck? It shows how good a game is when the easiest characters can be the characters that dominate. He's just fun <3 ! I love that! good for him!!!
hungrybox is the jschlatt of the smash community - widely disliked, puts on a persona of being arrogant and rude, but deep down genuinely a nice guy who is passionate about his work and works hard
When I found out that Mang0 did all this in his freetime, whilst hungrybox did it with a job as an Engineer, then to me its clear who was beaten consistently all the time.. its Mang0 whos ass got beaten badly by a guy who managed to get perfections in melee but also did a great job in real life, which is the real bummer! My deepest respect for this!
@i am a win Maximizing that free time and using it to the fullest. It's called discipline.
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i am a win2022-04-26 01:15:25 (edited 2022-04-26 01:15:39 )
@Doggo I’m just stating the truth it has nothing to do with discipline. Mang0 prioritized other things as well. They’re just different people and OP’s comment is ignorant and disrepectful. I am a fan of both players
To be fair but mang0 did have a kid and a family during all of this and also paved the way for hbox and other smashers to move into streaming content on top of competitive smash. Also historically mang0 is inarguably better at melee.
Man I've watched this three times already, it's so well produced, the music it's perfect, the pace it's perfect, the sections of the video and the transitions are perfect, one of the most amazing video games videos I've ever seen, thank you.
A bag of chips2022-06-19 03:32:30 (edited 2022-06-19 03:35:01 )
Literally he had it more difficult in life than most of the people in the community, and still kicked ass in both the game and irl. Yet the community still don't feel embarrassed hating on him 💀💀💀
Around now 2 years ago, i watched this video and started playing melee. I also then asked a friend of mine, who now lived 3000 miles away because of me moving, and at that point we sparsely spoke, to also try it. 2 years later, this is my favourite game, and hes probably my best friend rn, and i talk to him near daily. Thank you, emplemon
It's insane how EmpLemon manages to produce hour-long documentaries, always with an interesting twist that gives the vibes of a story with a lesson to be taught at the end. While equality impressive is that he makes me watch subjects I never had interest in with suspense.
We can safely say there will never ever be another series like "Never Ever".
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Oscar Obeso2021-04-05 08:02:11 (edited 2021-04-05 08:16:16 )
How am I supposed to convince my gf this shit is serious when you have dr pee pee as one of the 5 gods
@elgatochurro but maturity is many things I do agree with your statement but you have to think about other examples of maturity because it is many things
I love the idea that the top player challenges and actively goes against the core concept of the game and doesn’t follow it. That’s what I want to see! We need more people in all facets of games and sports like Hungrybox. I don’t even like Smash Bros personally and loved this video for this reason
Watching this over for the 5th time, now that the pandemic is over. Man, this is always something to come back to. The story of a man, never respected by his peers, rising to the top through his hard work and the support of those close to him. Just...inspiring. Last time I watched and commented, I was starting my second year of high school. Looking towards the future, while still looking back some. Now, I’ve graduated, been accepted to Oklahoma University, and am looking towards my bright future while not looking back this time. I understand his story, and I’m about to feel his balancing act of college and gaming too. At least, that’s casually instead of comp.
"The Smash community has a tendency to rally hard against their top players."
Most Melee players see themselves as underdogs, and identify greatly with any players who are not considered the top of bracket scores. This is pretty much an endemic issue from what I know, and I would imagine they're likely threatened by players who they know are strong in tournaments.
During the recent 2022 Genesis and Pound tournaments, there were noticeable points where the crowd was cheering for whoever was fighting Zain, since he appears to be the current #1, and they wanted to see a shakeup. Time will tell if that pattern changes again, because people definitely did not root against him to that extent before.
I've never played melee, and almost never played smash at all, started this video with almost no interest also, but ended up watching the whole thing. Extremely good edition and narration. Sucks to see hate in the gaming world a lot of us chose to escape from the normie hate. Kudos to you emp, and to hbox.
@Ruby Y. I've know full-time engineers and new fathers. New fathers look like they are going through a special kind of hell that only survived with the knowledge it temporary, illegal to not doing anything, and their too tired to think anything else.
I don’t see how this is any more impressive compared to other jobs. A lot of engineering jobs are very stable. Compare that to working a more labor intensive job and I could see a point
@Taylor Brown a dude working 40 hours at a McDonald's can shut off his brain. When you're designing shit that could kill people if it isn't foolproof, you can't. There's a reason fast food jobs pay you nothing.
@Ruby Y. As an engineer and a father, it's my clear impression that being a father is much much harder. Sure, engineering can be complicated, but you can just put down your work and take a breather, then come back to it and solve it at a calm pace. Children however, don't come with off switches, and some of them are insanely difficult to care for in particular.
I think everyone in this thread is forgetting that no matter how easy or hard a job is, its a big time sink that could be wasting critical practice time. If you’re a stay at home dad, that’s a difficult job but there’s still likely more opportunity for practice, and I don’t know mang0’s story, maybe he was a distant father during that time, maybe the baby’s mother took most of the work, maybe he struggled in other areas during that time period, who knows. It’s tough being best in your field, and it’s difficult for for any professional athlete to successfully balance working fulltime or being a dad with their sport and both players are really impressive for their achievements
@Peppy the Clown Yeah, definitely. It's impressive, but in my opinion, also indicative of something "off" that someone spends a decade of their life dedicated to a tiny niche contest in an extremely limited setting (playing a single character or maybe 2 in the few ways that are deemed competitively viable). Not that people like to hear that though.
@TW I'm sorry if the truth offends you, but SSBM is a niche game pulling generally weak numbers. The scene is kept alive almost entirely on passion alone, the top contestants are barely making a decent income on it. Evo has long wanted to scrap it, and then they did. Hungrybox has pulled in about 115k in about a decade of spending the majority of his life on it. That's around 10k a year. That's not viable, and that's one of the highest earning players in the entire scene.
@Cespie once again your comment shows an utter lack of research combined with a predetermined opinion. Truth doesn't offend but willful ignorance does, Especially that EVO comment considering that Smash games get good viewership and entrants there. Weak numbers were never the reason Melee left EVO or it would've been gone way before 2018
If all you did was use google and click on the first top pick you could see that Hungrybox has earned over 300k in winnings. A couple of weeks ago he won almost 4k for second place in a okayish prize pool. Last weekend he won the first place pot from a 69k pool.
In the beginning of the 2010's that prize pool was pitiful, but with exposure combined with sponsors and streaming, the best can profit off if they stick to the grind. If it were 10 years ago during the Melee Brawl Split you would be very right in your words
@Cespie you are right in that that those who both aren't very popular on streams, and consistently place outside of the top 3 are going to find that putting all their effort solely into Melee is a much more difficult proposition than they would have dreamed of
@TW 300k is still low. We're talking a decade worth of practice here, for a game that can die out at any moment. I make 90k a year at age 29, and my career is building up on top of that. If melee dies, these people will have a complete void on their resumes in the job market. And this is what, the top earning player in the entire community? Even his earnings aren't that good, so where does that leave everyone else? When you are doing a burnout career like this, you need to be making many times more than people working a regular job, otherwise, you will end up in a deficit once you inevitably fall from relevance. That's why it's a niche run by passion. Being a competitive melee player is not a viable lifestyle. It's a temporary bubble. You'd have to branch that into some other career path to survive in the long run.
Right ? This man deserves his god title to say the least, he had so much "handicaps" and yet he still pushed through it with hsi tenacity and came back to win.
generally engineering jobs, especially entry-level ones, love to push their employees and you are constantly working 60-80 hr weeks at a minimum. The fact that he was able to juggle that with winning evo is fucking nuts.
Working full-time and playing a such a high level is really impressive. For those comparing fatherhood and the job it depends. If smash is your job you can still reasonably dedicate 8 hours a day to smash since it's your job, which I believe makes it easier.
@bryce hoen I know this comment is old, but engineers generally have pretty stringent working hours, least you'll find is 40/week obviously and it could go up into the sky from there (could even go to 70 if you're on call and your employer sucks). That means 40+ hours a week guaranteed less time to practice while trying to be #1 in the world
Also can't forget he was also doing this back while getting his degree, so that's even more impressive since it takes a lot of grinding to become a process engineer
@bryce hoen The fact is that being a burger flipper is significantly less demanding in every single aspects except for the raw stress on the soles of your feet. I've worked fast food and retail joints long enough to know what I'm doing is, honestly, the bare minimum of "work".
@El Dorado I both agree that what they are saying is pretty persumtionus... but he just said flipping bugers is HARDER then "most" Enginerring jobs (spefically the desk jobs). Not I don't know how accurate or in accurate that is, someone who's worked both jobs would have to weigh in on that but to finally get to my actual point: How dose that prepestive justify paying minimum for flipping burgers exactly? He things the guy flipping burgers is working even harder at least is physically putting more of there engery into it.
You gotta love how all the replies talking about "Its actually not that hard because _____ is harder!" Are literally the exact type of people who were shown in the video dissing Melee and Hbox because "They're easier, so it doesn't take real effort!" Like bro you're the exact thing we were warned against being. Take ya hands off the keyboard.
@bryce hoen The point is - WHERE HE GOT THE TIME TO DO THIS. Considering he was a full time worker he did about 40 hours per week of work, divided by 5 it's 8 hours of work a day, + the 8 hours of sleep there's the 16 hours of a day. And considering he has to take time in traffic, eating, taking baths and existing with everything else he would take 1+ hour, and he couldn't just get entertainment with Melee, so he would take some days to himself. Basically he trained in the weekends.
@Cespie true. But you mostly had a spouse. There’s no tag teaming for your job. And making mistakes with parenting happens. And doesn’t effect your job. Your job meanwhile can cost you said family if you mess up and tends to not be something you have done intimate memories of.
@beszt95 Which is what I meant by branching into a different source of income. The issue arises when some of these people do not have the capacity to be entertaining outside of their niche. A lot of popular streamers live and die by the popularity of the game that they're good at, while some can make it as entertainers. My impression is that the people who play games competitively, are generally not the same people that have an easy time entertaining an audience. Take someone like Ludwig who had his breakthrough in the Smash community. He's not really anyone in a competitive sense, but his success is arguably larger than the rest of the Smash community combined. At the end of the day, it's not viable to be a streamer/competitive gamer unless you are making enough money to build up serious investments on the side, and the entertainer streamers tend to have better earnings as well as longevity in general.
Being a competitive gamer is an insanely hard and stressful job, and the pay is generally shit. If the majority of their income comes from streaming anyway, then focusing on that makes more sense.
@Dusty Stuff its just a pretty dumb statement and it makes me think you haven't actually worked one of those jobs in your life. especially when you rationalize it by saying "thats why their paid so poorly." quite a head scratcher.
@TalentedGrape Nothing quite like coming to defend the honor of fast food workers and how much brain power the job actually takes while fucking up "their/there/they're".
@TalentedGrape If that's a classic response you get, then maybe you should spend less time telling people how hard your mcjob is and more time reading an English book.
Also if you feel the need to space out your sentencs in a comment, they make this cool thing called an enter key. Might save you from looking like a boomer in the future. Unless of course you ARE one of those boomers still working behind a fast food counter and want to advertise that for some reason.
HBox is seriously a true champion. Conquering the game he loves through all the hate and drama. He deserves to be where he is and he is an amazing player.
I've never played melee in my life. Before this video the only things I knew about the game and it's pro-scene was 'Nintendo fighting game'. With that said, this is one of most brilliant videos I've seen on youtube in a good while. Thank you for being you, making this video and enlightening people like myself of talent and achievements like this in a way that can be easily understood, even by people who have no knowledge whatsoever about the subject as a whole.
So far you've made me emotional about spongebob, WWE, NASCAR, 1 Russian guy and a dude who plays smash for a living, all of which I had no interest in prior too. That is a talent that I feel no one else on this earth has ever had.
@Cai I think DBZ would get a Never Ever instead. That show introduced Anime to the west for countless people and it's the show that caused a domino effect on western audiences to watch different kind of anime
EmpLemon has an excellent ability to empathize with a person's point of view. That's why his video essays and analysis of people are unique because his videos can make people emotionally invest in the video's subject while many other Youtube channels fail to do so.
As a Jiggly player who shook up the little melee meta between my friends at Uni, I have to say thank you. I am shocked and amazed and grateful to see Hungrybox stick to his character, to the game itself, and come out on top! This was an awesome watch. Reminded me how much fun I had playing Jigs in Melee! I know 2 years have passed, but hope Hbox is still rocking on. All the best to him :)
Was never into this game, I loved the original. But ho-lee-cow, this was an incredible journey of a video. Props to Hbox for everything he's achieved, screw the haters. And props especially to you Lemon, this was an amazing piece of work. Chapeau.
55:27 That entire sequence from the read, to the music that coalesces into the sting at Hungrybox's thousand yard stare from eliminating Mango is magical.
He is not a villain, he's the underdog who surpased god and become one. He had overcome his weakness and become the breaker of the totalitarian system which was hypocrite and monotone over the years. That's sound like a true hero to me
@Pras Mahendra Mostly what he means is HBox LITERALLY went through a "HeelBox" phase. A "Heel" in narratives, mostly wrestling, is a bad guy. That's why Incineroar is called a "Heel Pokemon." It's a bad guy wrestler Pokemon. And HBox literally put on that persona. Like, he's not literally a villain, but for stories sake, he was one at one point.
@Zach Hollingsworth I saw Hungrybox at a grocery store in Florida yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical interference,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
@Roland Deschain Yes, the twitch chat every time Hbox won spammed "🦀melee is dead🦀". So this guy thought he would be the hero of melee by throwing a crab when Hbox inevitably won.
It’s funny because if hbox didn’t react like such a cringe lord and start crying lol then the guy would have looked like a weirdo. The only thing in the entire world that can justify throwing a crab at someone is hboxs reaction to having a crab thrown at him LOL
The stereotype about their hygiene exists for a reason and FGC players grew very acquainted with it when Smash invaded their scene. In fact they had a notorious reputation for their "Stench" in particular and there's ironically more embarrassing incidents that have occurred, believe it or not.
HBox’s story is actually pretty inspirational if you play characters in smash games that aren’t the norm or are considered S tier, or whatever. I like little mac, and I’m reminded a lot of the time that he’s low tier and I should just play somebody else. This reminds me that I can win, even if I’m not playing who they want me to play.
Only problem is that Jigglypuff is actually consistently placed in top 5 chars in Melee tier lists. Yes it took people like Mang0 and Hungrybox to show their potential, but the potential was there. Unfortunately with characters like Little Mac they just get invalidated by so many chars it's not even funny. Good for you playing a bottom tier tho, play who's fun to you. Also, always remember that tiers lists shift based on skill level!
Thank you for getting me in to smash bros. I barely even knew of what smash was before this video, and now I have friends that I play with every day and I get to play melee online whenever I'm feeling down. The feeling of growth and gratification that melee gives is truly awesome. If you haven't tried it yourself, whoevers reading this comment, please try it out. Melee is sick.
Ya know, as much as I've watched melee, I never really thought about what it means to use rest, and what it means for you as a person to be able to do it consistently. Being able to rest at all requires an immense amount of confidence and decisiveness. Being able to use rest in the grand finals of a tournament requires near superhuman amounts of poise. Being able to hit a rest in these moments when down in stocks requires something else entirely.
I consider myself emotional, but this video surpasses anything I've watched. it made me cry multiple times. its not a matter of who's better, its a matter of who wants it more
@Mason Russell yeah but that was an anomaly, literally no one has done something like that since (and probably never will tbh unless we get a god who happens to dabble with the shrinking top level melee scene)
Ben Sachs That is such a stupid thing to say. Melee has complete different air dodging, movement, & shield mechanics. Mew2King actually grinded brawl to be the best, Ken didn’t.
@Criss Kitchn It wasn't new enough that a random 14 year old should be able to beat a person who was the best at the previous iteration of the series and had presumably been practicing since it came out.
@Criss Kitchn I know they're not similar. It's irrelevant whether they were similar because Ken went to brawl immediately after it came out and presumably practiced like a person with experience with fighting games would but still lost to a random 14 year old.
@Johango Dojolo You're not taking into account that the kid also beat all his opponents to get into the finals as well. Just because he was a 'random 14 year old' doesn't mean he was just lucky once. He apparently knew something about how to play the game. There have been similar things in games like Chess, which never change, where a grandmaster loses a tournament to the kid because they underestimated them and the kid had a tactic that was uncommon. So I'm not surprised a guy who considers himself the best comes up against a kid in a game he's not had as much experience in would underestimate the kid and not try as hard.
Wendell Lira, a soccer player from my town won the golden ball years ago. Then he met some celebrities and played FIFA against the number one player in the world and won.
It was so funny, he was an unknown soccer player that got the golden ball and defeated the number one FIFA player in the same year.
After that he quit soccer and staters playing FIFA, and I guess he is average like he was in soccer.
There is always a random kid, 14 or whatever age, that can own a pro. The last generation of parents that think video games are a waste of time are soon to be, even still alot of kids dont get a chance..
Joe literally when you can summon a entire character to help you fight it is,mixed in with lets say a poke ball spawns on top of someone and he gets a good Pokémon, that means he is not only , trying to avoid the Pokémon/assist trophy, I am also trying to fight the other player as well, why do you think that items are banned from every competitive tournament?
Just chiming in here to say that this video caught me off guard, it was 10* longer than I expected it to be, but I didn't want it to end. Dedication to detail and production pacing, thank you.
The storytelling and the script of this video is so good that i watched through all of it without even knowing Melee or hungrybox existed. Amazing job for both lemon for making the video and HBox for pushing through
Enjoyed this a lot. Great to have an insight into the history of competetive Melee and the community. Very compelling story! "Everyone wants to see the king fall."
You missed the part where he floats up in the air with a sword and slashed your controller in half while saying "begone casual". Pretty rude guy don't you think?
this is a godlike vid, thx Emp. this could be my personal best watched video in no matter which platform in all these mask-years. thank you Hbox, u show me what a really esports gamer is.
possibly the best video i’ve ever seen posted on this site, i always find myself coming back to it despite seeing it 20 something times already. such a raw emotional story told absolutely masterfully. incredible.
I appreciate this video. I'm glad you took the time to compile all of this so that I can have a better understanding of the history of this amazing competitive player.
This video is proof that YouTube is overtaking TV as an entertainment source. This 1.5 hour masterpiece felt like it was made by a documentary crew with a huge budget. Truly impressive.
Truly amazing work on your part. learning about the growing efforts of the smash melee community through your video as been an amazing find on youtube and an incredible video to get excited about.
Subscribing now. Thank you for keeping me entertained and excited throughout ! keep it up! proud of you !
I bet this is the 200th time I watched this this video is so addicting to watch and emp you narrate so good. i got recommended your “there will never be another player like hungrybox “ a week later after watching it constantly I looked at your other videos and you are a masterpiece.Get this guy to 1 million subscribers
excellent documentary it's the right amount between good story telling and game explanation i think i could let my mother watch it and she would understand the drive of the players and why some people spend nearly all their time getting better at an old video game kudos my friend
The fact that a newcomer can beat a top tier player due to the game itself, just shows how much more casual Brawl is compared to Melee and even Ultimate. I wonder how far did he go in that tournament.
@Xfalcity it was merely a different meta. Which the majority of entrants literally had no experience in, and tons of experience/expectation in the opposite. The kid won the whole tourney, that's not really a farce. He'd have to beat tens to hundreds of players, many very good (though maybe not necessarily in that meta) to come out on top
yeah, a world champ is going to be at least pretty good at any smash game since the skills would transfer over the kid would have to be at least half decent and know a few things about the game to win
@Circhester shitty rulesets aren't the fault of the competitors, they're the fault of the tournament organizer. The organizers at EVO were smoking some strong ass shit to put items in a tournament.
@Circhester Ken played like a sack of shit during that game. CPU, the 14 years old kid, didn't have that strong items but Ken barely used his shield and let CPU get away with so many spot dodges and rolls
@Circhester lol salty about something that happened years ago still? Items on with smash meters meant both players had access, and for someone with no tournament experience to beat Ken, they most certainly deserved to win whether you can handle that or not snowflake 🤣
@Circhester then why even bother responding with your troll comment about how he didn't deserve it and its not impressive? Lmao quit embarrassing yourself kid and quit before you keep digging 🤣🤣🤣
@Circhester a guy named Joycon Jesus went against Fatality(the worlds best captain falcon), in the ditto and took him to last stock last hit. Joycon Jesus was playing with only 1 left Joycon, and he almost beat the best captain falcon. Not sure if you know this or not, but theoretical probability is much different than experimental probability.
@OHYEAH_kool-aid Yeah. Upsets like this usually does spark some outrage and it's not just in the Smash community. Also, maybe they will disregard his win as well because this tournament has items turned on.
@SoKool So? He still won the tourney fair and square, and I'm sure the pros who joined the tourney knew there were items on, and they still joined. It's actually pretty sad full grown men would throw such a tantrum over a kid beating a pro. And I know it's not just Smash, but Smash is easily the worst, and that's saying a lot.
@OHYEAH_kool-aid Of course. He did play the game without cheating, so he did deserve the win, even if it feels like a fluke. The pros may have joined the tournament because EVO is one of largest tournaments and the cash reward is probably decently sized too. And I do think it's kinda sad that his win was kinda disregarded by the community, but then again, what would you expect from the Smash community?
@Circhester He won. Period. They chose to turn those modes on, they chose to not play with standard rules. A win is a win if the rules have been accepted. You can't cry and throw a temper tantrum just because you lose at team deathmatch just because you're used to CTF. This is no different.
@Circhester items take skill lmao. Just a different type of skill. Kid probably played items all the time and that's why he won. To just say "oh, there were items, something both players can use, and he won. Therefore his victory is invalid."
Like, if the kid is winning against so many people he makes it to finals, he clearly has skill
@Super Isaiah I agree, and I play with items off. I'd say items off feels more like a tournament, items on feels like a raw street fight where you're improvising weapons to survive.
@Circhester I disagree. If anything it just shows lack of skill on the person who is supposed to be some world renowned God. I've played brawl enough to know that some random person can't beat me because of a fluke. If they beat me it's because I was slipping up
@Circhester Items thing is still no excuse dude. You're comparing someone who plays the game for hours on end, and blaming the game! If he was truly that skilled he should have wrecked him with items plain and simple
Nah not really. It would be incredible if he won legitimately. That's not to say it isn't cool there was a time a kid could just do that in smash considering it does have a significant young casual audience.
And on the way the kid, Jimmy, stopped at California Dinosaurs with his family and left his yellow lunch box containing family pictures inside of a giant dinosaur
@Hebi I mean he wasn’t really a prodigy when he got one fluke win and never won any tournaments ever again, or got any notable placings or wins ever again. The og smash prodigy was Mang0, or if you considered him too old, Mkleo in smash 4
Its more on the turnament rules than the game itself that the kid was able to win. Robs ultra smash would get a guaranteed kill, sometimes even 2. EVO wanted to show off the new mechanic of ultra smashes, so they added this item. The kid played the system and won, its by any means no small feat to achieve.
@SoKool Technically, the best in one game wins it. I mean you can jump, fly and move 300 km/h, but if you don't hit the other guy off you don't win. I could go into a tournament of Smash Bros and win by luck because i decided to stay on the ground instead of flying over my rival. Tho, this won't happen, because i don't have talent lmao
I wish people weren't so whiney. If you get beat, items or not, then you get beat. Smash players got salty because Ken wasn't good enough at brawl. The kid was better at the item meta. It's the same for if me who has barely played melee went against hungrybox. I would've been destroyed. That's what happened here. In my opinion.
@SoKool this vid was misleading. It wasn’t because of Brawl. The tournament organizer MrWizard insisted on turning items on instead of following standard rule sets. The kid won due to item gimmicks.
i’ve watched this video many times and never found something i disagreed with until i picked out that you said puff was the most “lame”, however it’s hard to match the chango set or stalling to ice climbers with wobbling and that’s based on personal and community experience, especially around that era. however it’s only my opinion :) still love this channel to bits
I love this new era of long movie-like well edited documentary style videos becoming popular on YouTube by people like emp and summoning salt amongst the recent trend of short, fast paced videos like reels and shorts.
This is an entire hour and a half biopic about the rise of an incredible man, produced at a level that wouldn't be out of place on Discovery 20 years ago, available completely for free on YouTube. For all the issues we've had, I'm very grateful that this platform exists. Thank you and everyone else pouring their energy into making documentaries about the things you're passionate about.
Blake N People who can perform at this level in any field are incredible. They are making art. You have some odd definitions of incredible too. People who lead governments are more often corrupt bureaucrats than noble sages (I mean, just look at the US), and great inventions are just as often the result of serendipity as They are some major theoretical breakthrough. Penicillin, for instance, was discovered by accident. What hungrybox or any of the other players mentioned in this video have done is a deliberate and noble display of dedication and skill to a game that a large subculture does deem valuable. That’s a good standard for incredible.
@saul Art is objective. Anything could and eventually will be considered art. That being said, i would argue that anything that requires an insane amount off effort and time to pull of can and should be considered art. Also, it is not about the game, it is about what it represents. A man, and his life. He had troubles, hardships and joys. But he went through it with a goal and a smile. He never gave up, he never just sat down and cried, he worked and when he achieved his goal, he kept going. He didn’t disregard the rest of his life, but he did work. And eventually, after thousands of hours, he became the best. That is art.
@Glarson Yen I think you mean subjective, but you´re right. It is pretty incredible how he dedicated all that time and effort, and at the end he reached his goal.
I’ve watched this video multiple times now, and something that’s always struck me is Leffen. The more you dig up on him, the more hypocritical and vile he becomes as a person. Ironically, all that shit he talked about HBox Leffen is 10x worse in every regard. Truly a toxic person. And I don’t say that lightly.
The amount of toxicity this man has had to face during his career. Nasty people is all I can say. Truly inspiring to see what Hungrybox has achieved over the years!
Just because your main is "gimmicky"," doesn't mean that he deserves the hate. Every game has a character that has something about them that you just have to play around (rest included).
Imagine believing in Toxicity. It only benefits the individual that doesn’t like either the person having a different opinion including the truth, being honest, or considered some sort of behavior unlikable to the individual as wrongdoings.
@John Williamson if you believe in toxicity you also believe in the power of the crowd and have no mind of your own as going against the mainstream would also mean that you'd attract criticism
Most people are cool, it’s just a vocal minority that act like that. Also the “heroes and villains” thing is mostly an act to create narratives that spice up competition.
@Diamond Miner The issue is, that salt was so prevalent in the Melee community that it became popular to trash on HBox. I'm not just talking online, I mean in-person tournaments where people talk during friendlies.
What a peculiar thing to say. "Toxic" is just a label used to describe behaviour and attitudes people find to be needlessly damaging/lowly/dishonest/unhealthy and so on. That this label is abused doesn't change the fact that the concept it's describing is real.
I just gotta say, as a smash player, I'm very happily surprised about how many people I've met that have discovered Melee through this video. Thank you for appreciating our game enough to make something so compelling about it, I think this video is fantastic
I have always supported Hbox because of his absolute skill and grit. He deserves way more than he gets, and I really and truly hope the best for him in the future.
The “Never Ever” series is the best running series to ever exist on this channel. Idk if this is a hot take or not but I have watched all the Never Evers multiple times and I’m hyped for this new entry.
I agree. EmpLemon's content is always nicely put together, but this documentation type format suits better than expected, 10/10. Would cheat on my wife with this video
The one on Stanislav Petrov will never not make me tear up a bit. Sometimes I'll go back to it just to look at a specific part and end up watching the whole thing. Even the title is something to be appreciated, and something that strikes a small pang of fear; 'There may never ever...'
@pubba13452 Emp made me care about NASCAR, I was always the guy that would lambast NASCAR as that silly hillbilly sport, but it was just so provoking to me.
its kinda hard to agree, at least for me, so far i have only watched the spongebob one. i could watch the raw one but i dont like wrestling anymore and honestly im a bit lazy to watch it. however i dont know anything about the driver nor this melee player.
@Im Marty from OW team I didn't care in the slightest about wrestling, smash and nascar, but lemon made me think I was a part of the community for years. It's an incredible feeling getting this hyped over the progression of a video. Maybe I'm easily swayed.
The Spongebob one opened me up like a book and made me realize what it truly meant to be a millennial. Damn i miss gamecube after school and ed edd and eddy...
I thought I didn't care about the things the never ever series talks about that's until I watch it we don't watch things because we think we wouldn't like it but we don't know what we want or like
If you like these, check out the "Pretty Good" series by Jon Bois. Never Ever seems to take a lot of inspiration from it, something that I'm certain Emp has confirmed before.
Gotta say, I'm watching this for the first time in 2022 and I'm not even half way though and I love this. I have so much respect for hbox as a player especially with all the shit he's been through. Props to you for making such a well put together documentary and props to hbox for sticking it out for this long. Truly a legend in his own right.
Great video! Great message! I don't really care about competitive gaming, but this is a really good story and I'm so happy you made this video and that I happened to watch it. What HBox said in the end about perseverance really hits me in the feels. Thank you.
I think this may be your best work. Even after the third watch it is still an engaging and emotional experience better than most high budget documentaries.
All of HungryBox's story felt like an emotional anime story, it got all the character arcs, emotional moments, and character development to make a great story! HungryBox is a legend!
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Leo V.2020-01-30 12:44:44 (edited 2020-02-17 15:28:53 )
Imagine having to face "The fifth god" and then you finally meet him and he's named Dr. PeePee.
@Cham I'm pretty sure his medical condition was the main reason for his choice of name.
You see some conditions are not disabling for many years even though the patient knows it might be even fatal in 10 years. Sometimes there's just no cure.
This randomly showed up in my recommended and I clicked it out of curiosity. I honestly wasn't planning on watching the whole thing since I'm not really into the competitive scene, but the way you strung it all together made it impossible to stop watching! That hour flew by in no time and I feel like I personally know Hungrybox now. I feel bad for the guy getting the rep that he does... Even after he achieved his dream of becoming the best, he was still looked down on by the whole scene. I hope he's doing well now and has fun in whatever tournaments he chooses to enter
Also never knew about Leffen either, but I must say he has an incredibly punchable face.
@Burp Bot No kidding, I only played for 6 years, but some people I met were absolute trash. Harrassing players and making fun of those with issues / disabilities. So glad they're banned.
@Kyle Picard It's whatever you can do to keep yourself mentally well. It's terrible, and it's a situation that requires way more empathy than it receives, but... we all have shit going on. So honestly, I think we'll all live. Just have to limit how much shit we put on our plate at any given time.
@Jessica Stoker I'm not blaming you. One allegation for zero ended up being real. All the others were made up including the original accusations made by both jisu and leffen. All in all it's extremely messy. Many of the accusations were real, but almost as many weren't and that sucks because people will take the real ones less seriously.
@Jessica Stoker If you brought it up as a means of saying that, fine. There's nothing wrong with that, especially since you actually have more say about it that just "shocking". A lot of YouTubers that have nothing on their channels tend to have the loudest voices. By that, I mean they're usually the rudest users, and often act like they're better than others, because what happens on YouTube and the Internet in general don't affect them.
The fact you're able to go into depth with your thoughts instead of leaving it at "shocking" says more about you than it does about a lot of the other users that fits that demographic. You may not have a dog in this fight, but you do have a conscience and a willingness to actually be civil and hear people out. That means something.
@Otneimica I just wanted to say you really made my day with this comment. I also wish there was more civil discourse and less reactionary, incendiary hot-takes. But... I don't want to say too much else. Just thanks.
Do you follow melee? I dont think this is true. all of the top players (yes including mango) want hbox to be good. He has been going through a big slump recently and everyone wants him to succeed
In Quake, there will never be a player like Evil again. For the 20 years it's been competitively active (in Quake 2, Quake 3, QuakeWorld, Quake 4, Quake Live, and Quake Champions), no one else played like him. He brought unique style to the table, beating the best of the best in Europe in Quake 3. He really surfaced and became a dominant force from 2011 to 2016 in Quake Live.
I really enjoyed this. I'm very impressed by the skill involved in this video essay. It comes across to me as very authentic. I find the opinions in it to be very well expressed. I find it quite engaging.
literally sucks that Hungrybox has to deal with all of this im so glad the man is keeping his head up and still being absolutely incredible in the game props to you man.
Hungrybox isn't an underdog story, but a story of someone with the potential to be the best, but needs to overcome the spite of the people around him and win even though no one wants him to. It's honestly kinda beautiful.
@Kata Cutie He doesn't fit the definition of underdog, because underdogs aren't hated on a community-wide scale beyond anything related to the game. Also, most of the time fans aren't really against underdogs in the first place, but rather enjoy having them around because they bring more excitement to the game yet don't pose a significant threat to their favorite players. As Lemon points out, this is just a case of "sour grapes, double standards and empty excuses."
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Kata Cutie2020-02-02 13:17:44 (edited 2020-02-02 13:18:52 )
@huh968 That's not really the definition, that's just how you perceive the idea of the underdog to be. Underdogs can absolutely have a whole community against them, and I said, they don't have to be weaker or less capable (relating to the "posing no threat to their favourite player" part). He doesn't even HAVE to be ""right"", and their discreditors don't HAVE to be ""wrong"" (I think they are, in this case, just to be clear). As long as they see a cut of the overall grief of a given scenario directed at them, but they push through it regardless, they fit my definition of underdog. Yours is not necessarily wrong either, by the way, I simply disagree with it.
@Kata Cutie My main point was that the word 'underdog' only makes sense within the context of competition. The hate HungryBox received goes way beyond that.
Imagine a match between Mango and HBox, Mango playing Fox at skill level 10 and HBox playing Puff at skill level 9. Just for the sake of argument, everyone notices this difference in skill and labels HBox an underdog accordingly (in the traditional sense that he is considered less likely to win the match based on skill level). Regardless of what happens during the match, HBox is going to receive hate purely because he plays Puff.
Now imagine the reverse situation. Mango plays Fox at skill level 9 and HBox plays Puff at skill level 10. Once again everyone notices this difference in skill, and therefore they label Mango the underdog this time. Again, regardless of what happens during the match, HBox is going to receive hate purely because he plays Puff.
In brief, those haters didn't really care whether he could be considered an underdog or not, they just wanted to hate on him because he played the game in a way they perceived as wrong, which has nothing to do with competitive ability.
@good dog I say that because when you phrase it like this it does seem quite beatiful but then you see him play and immediatly realise that everyone is right to hate his playstyle :')
Mr Emp, I gotta admit I had no interest for any subject you approached in this series and yet every time its been one of the most interesting piece of media I had the pleasure to watch in my life. Keep the incredibly interesting niche topics coming . ❤
damn, people can be that much of dickheads eh, let the man get what he's been working his soul out for, he deserves it. Didn't even know how Smash works but I sit through this 1 and a half hour vid, this dude is awesome
Now that was quite interesting, the whole Melee history. How much new can be discovered/learned in a game, even after pro-players already dismantled it to the core for so many years. Great story! 👏
i've come by once more to see it again, because this video is so great it would deserve to be told in history or philosophy school, you got every emotions every memes every bit of connections in the process it is a masterpiece well done, i'm glad to be alive learning and appreciating fate like Hungrybox success <3
Great video, I knew nothing about the Smash competitive scene and this was a great history/personal story piece. Especially good editing and use of music as well.
That was a fantastic video. I'm not even the most familiar with melee and yet it still resonates with me. I truly believe there is a lesson in here for all of us,not just people who compete with each other. Life is not just about beating others or just being successful, but being the best you can be without doubt and always learning to win.
I genuinely think I will never see a more inspiring picture than Hungrybox on his knees screaming his heart out after finally achieving everything he ever wanted. Truly a thing to strive for.
Honestly, I’ve never understood why he’s gotten the hate he has. To me, I always admired him playing a character totally different from everybody else and doing extremely well with it. It’s amazing. Never once in my mind has it ever occurred to me to jump on that hating bandwagon. After I saw this for the first time tho, it made me into an even bigger fan of his, especially learning all of what he had went through in his childhood. Poor guy. I really wish the best for him.
I had my share of cringy preeteen gamer names, but imagine sticking to one, becoming a master of the game, rising through the ranks and having to tell your grandchildren, "I was Dr. PeePee, and I was called a god of Melee." That's true dedication.
@Moo Mango is definitely very cocky and arrogant but he's still a good guy. He was just especially so in 2013 during that AMA. He's humbled up a lot since then. Not who I would consider "nice" but he still means well. He meant well back then, too, but his arrogance overpowered everything else. He should have given Hbox more credit in that AMA and he learned his lesson from the backlash along with having a moderated conversation with Hbox soon after.
@Moo while mango is definitely a showboater, he's definitely changed. If you watch some of his recent streams, he's in touch with the community, and while he sometimes is arrogant, he seems a lot more set on becoming a better player, having good relationships with fellow pros, and just promoting melee as a whole. Part of this has to be fueled with his epic war with zain, as they are the top 2 players in the world rn and are just getting better.
@Mr Anxiety yeah same. i love Valorant and its pro scene but the top team is such an arrogant, egotistical team and its really annoying; they dont even say gg in games and call themselves the best all the time
reminds me of how my brother uses “poopertoilet” as his ps name and he’s becoming better and better at brawhalla and getting into tournies with that name, he even faced off against the world’s best, boomie
I will forever stay with “GrassEater” as I’ve had this for 3 years and it came out of me playing Pac-man at an arcade and my brother asked “what’s your favorite word?” I couldn’t think of anything so I just said “Grass” and he made a joke about Pac-man eating grass a “GrassEater” if you will. It’s been my name on EVERY video game ever since ;)
Not really. He had a childish name in a game for children. That is actually perfectly normal.
And bragging about being mislabeled "a god" for playing well at a decades old game will just make him look like a moron with an inflated ego. His grandchildren would shrug off the accomplishment and laugh at the name. And if you'd ask them about the story a week later the only things that they would remember would be the name and that HungryBox considered himself to be a god for playing well at a decades old game which no one (including his grandchildren) care about.
wow I remember watching that 2013 EVA championship and being hype about Mango's comeback but I had no idea it would even be remembered by anyone lol lowkey i wanted jiggly to beat a space animal the whole time
I think "PPMD" is a hilariously immature "sponsor friendly" modification of the name. Wouldn't suspect a thing if I hadn't been told his original name. Beautiful.
I Always Like History...but this...Is THE AMAZING! Man...this is one the Most impressive ones i have ever seen! I became interested in HungryBox just for curiosity but now...I am Huge Fan! Im gonna root for him and maybe al least...Makes him feel a little better This video was Completely worth playing "To know how to win, You need to learn how to lost a 100 Times or even more" Thats probably what HBox is
Fantastic video, a whole documentary and it gave me a whole new perspective on Smash in general and tought me a bunch on Smash Brothers History. 👌 to Hungrybox, he deserves it.
Man, that begging, climax, and end were PERFECT . Better than any documentary and most movies that I've watched. I will never look at the phrase "It's just a game bro" ever again.
This is such a great video. I've never played smash outside of a single sitting in a dorm room many years ago. But this is so cool. HBox fan here, even though I'll never look up a single tournament result. :)
@ElWeeabooDelBarri he doesn't hate the puff matchup. He and hbox are on different wavelengths and have clashed as a result but it was never about hbox playing puff. Conversely Armada never had a problem getting along with hbox but hates hates hates playing against puff.
Shironane I assume what he means is that his mentality towards hbox and puff have changed over the years. That AMA was from 2013, maybe things have changed since.
@Coco Cop LMAO that dude really brought up the AMA from 7 years ago. Not only that, but for the past few years, when everyone has been hating on Hbox, mang0 has consistently been one of the only ones to actually defend him (saying things like, he gets more hate than he should, he makes him want to get better at the game, etc.). Mang0 still makes fun of him, but he literally makes fun of everyone. That's just the kinda person he is. It's always reddit warriors who know nothing about the scene who bring us down.
Damn man what an awesome documentary! Can't belive I just watched the whole thing without even exactly knowing what Melee was.. You told an awesome story about an awesome person and I'm happy to have heard about it!
NOICE! That turned out to be an unexpacted gem, knew nothing about melee before getting into here and boy, oh boy what a ride this story was, let's just say Hungrybox just earned another fan ^_- thank you for this.
That was so interesting and entertaining! I watched the whole video and I just can say: Hungrybox, keet it up! I am not really into the Smash community or tournaments, and I don't know these top players, but that's totally cool in my opinion. It's a shame that there are not many tournaments from Brawl.
Honestly, his story is really inspiring on so many levels.
The fact that even when it feels like the entire world around him hates his existence and it all seems pointless, that he can convince himself to keep going out of sheer defiance and always keep his head held up high... Is just simply too awe inspiring to describe with mere words.
I think everyone at one point in their life or another experiences tremendous self doubt and uncertainty, so much so that it can be completely debilitating to your dreams and goals.
It was around one year ago that I began to fall into a terrible rut of Paranoia, stress, and general depression because I thought there was no point to what I was doing. That every second I spent merely breathing was just another second of wasted time.
It doesn't matter what initially started this downward spiral, the point is that it happened. And I believe turmoil and depression, when faced head on with nothing but the tiniest shreds of faith you still have left in your heart, that you can emerge a far stronger and brave hearted person than ever before.
I'm still not entirely out of that rut, but bit by bit and step by step I am climbing my way out, and seeing the stories of people like Hungrybox and others with his level of conviction, only help me see ever more clearly that you'd be losing far more to give up than to press forward.
God speed Hungrybox. I hope that no matter what happens you find happiness in whatever you do. Smash or otherwise. God speed.
Amen. We need to take from him and learn from him. In the face of adversity, he succeeded and kept powering forward inspite the hate and negativity thrown at him. This man truly is a pro and is more than qualified to earn the spot on first place.
@Shaman Xeed Stop hating. Smash is a fighting game AND a party game. It is a great came in the casual level that also has an immense potential on the competitive level. That's it.
I have felt the same way, and even still do feel the same way. I'm currently going through college, and even though it's can be extremely frustrating and upsetting at times, I'm still trying to persevere. I know that in the end, no matter how useless or boring I think it is, I'll always know that it will be worth it in the end once it's over, and I'll come out a stronger and smarter individual. People like Hungrybox help to encourage me to keep moving on and not give up in the face of mental adversity.
@RustyLasagnaI feel you, and I'll probably face similar obstacles, but before all of that even happens, I need to ENTER college in the first place, and that's what I'm trying to do right now :P
@Starmain My honest advice, which may not be the best, is to not enter college immediately after high school. Work on study ethic first, because studying and reading are the two most important skills you will need for university work. Also look into careers and majors that you think would suit you best. And once you feel like you're ready, try your best to enter college. Work hard, but also make sure to give yourself breaks and have fun while studying.
@Starmain Nintendo gamer 222 he's not that bad with 40 asterisks
He tends to lie/make things out to being bigger than they actually are -the crab -tends to over react to "negative" comments (mango leffen) -cheats/shity player behavior (checking watch to stall, watching a ppmds controller to see DI) Also emp misconstrued player impacts/relevence to enhance hbox, players motivations, character attributes -leffen and hax were relegated to just fox players, even tho those two revolutionized the meta for everyone -the reason why zero and armada left, he ignored their videos why left (not cuz hbox is sooooo good or because the community is so toxic) (just lack of passion) -the sick list is fake af, a character being sick is based on how interactive the characters are , also the list is wrong (falcon is lower, sheik is lower)
Honestly I don't hate hbox, I'm sure he's a good person but saying he's a saint that when through such toxic community and some how made it out number one is a lie Hbox isn't a saint, hes just an ass Like the rest of us
@Lovpi LivAs a fan of HBox, I may say: Well, maybe this video is a little biased; as HBox is indeed a bit overreactive and a bit selfish sometimes (yeah, on his streams, he does swear a lot and seems too much convinced on his Jigglypuff, even on Ultimate where Puff isn't really that viable, for example). However, living as a Latin American immigrant in the US since his childhood must be overwhelming (I am Latin Ameriacan myself, I live in Brazil, and although I never left my home country, at least not yet, I can imagine the difficulties that come when you are an immigrant) and having a full-time job as chemical engineer while at the same time, striving to keep playing Smash Bros Melee at a top level can't be something easy.
Also, this one video does reference hax's importance to the evolution of the Melee metagame. And as far as I know, Mango is a little bit more selfish than HBox, but I don't see him as a bad person, either.
Leffen, on the other hand... I can't find another reason for his agreesive behaviour other than him wanting to always be right.
Yes, he is a top level player that has become so good to the point he is as good as any of the "five gods",or maybe even better than them. However, he gets himself involved in too many controversies. He argued with Salem on Twitter (even though Salem wasn't being respectful either, as he was pretty much denying the importance of Melee as a competive game completely); he always disrespects new players treating them like they are trash (I say that not only from what was said on this one video, but also from a video I saw from the TSM channel that presents Leffen playing smash with other competitive TSM players that come from other games), he hates over the meta of every smash games he gets in (in Melee, he says Jigglypuff kills the game for being "too easy to play"; but on Ultimate, he says that the game has so much character diversity, so many characters are viable, that it ruins everything (excuse me, whaaaat? For years we had Smash games where most of the roster was either unviable or mediocre, now that almost every character is good, he complain about it? Isn't matchup diversity a good thing for sports, in a way it makes each and every match much more unique?)
Also, I don't find it true that the Melee community by itself is toxic, as far as I know, many people there are good people, but the first time I heard about Hungrybox was indeed in a negative comment about him. Yes, there are also people that support him, but the hate for HBox just suppresesw them, unfortunately.
HBox isn't a saint, HBox is indeed rude and selfish sometimes, be he deserves more respect than what he gets, IMO. That doesn't mean Mango, PPMD, Armada, and Mew2King do not deserve respect - they do, just as HBox does. All of the "five gods" did a crazy work to get to the top (and although Mango is shown as somwhat of a "villain" here, I don't believe in that point of view, either - he isn't lazy, he had to train a lot to be as tecnichal as he is now; and that's also a huge achievement not many people can do).
Now for my most controversial opinion: In my point of view, Leffen also deserves respect, but as a player, which not so much as person. If he wasn't so narcissist and so full of ego, I would respect him more. (not that everyone else doesn't also have a narcissist and a egocentric side, but Leffen just exceeds the torelable limit by a large margin)
I have never even watched any Smash game before, I wasn't even born yet when it came out... Despite that after watching how much HBox is treated... I just wanna virtual hug him so much and congratulate him on his victories, both literally and internally.
He is Truly the Tom Brady of Esports Athletes, had a boring defensive playstyle but one that people feared and always ended up making the opposing players shit bricks, as well as being a clutch player who always found a way to win.
Never ever did I thought I`d become emotional about something in past that flew over my head. Human historic things like these motivate me in my path to become the person I want to be :)
What an excellent job in writing and presentation. I know nothing about Melee comp but I really enjoyed this. I clicked on it out of JigglyPuff curiosity.
It’s so fascinating how eerily comparable this is to Dale Earnhardt’s story. With not being able to win the biggest event in their sport for so long, being hated for being the best and for their tactics. Hell even Mango and Richard Petty are comparable as far as their dynamics with Hungrybox and Earnhardt. Neither would most likely respect each other’s sport, but they sure as hell would understand each other completely. I know I’m very late but you’ve done an amazing job on this Emplemon.
Omg. I used to play Smash Bross in the nintendo 64, and I played a bit in the gamecube. I never thought this video with having mysef so little background in the game would make me want to watch it to the end. 10/10 in narration and entertainment. I'm so happy that Hungrybox made to the top, btw. It's a shame there is so much hate in general, and in the videogame comunity in particular.
This guy is such a gifted content creator… he has so many viral videos in all genres… Man literally has a video about smash, cartoons, and NASCAR and they are all quality content
born to late to explore the earth, born to early to conquer the space, born in the right time to watch a video essay the length of a movie, about a competitive player i never heard, dominating a game i never played! XD
His celebrations where unique, a shout to the universe, you don't have to celebrate with me, i can do it myself, at the same time a pokemon cry to her peers for validation, we love you HBOX one of the greates of all time, in OUR heart
I love these high effort video essays. Especially when thinking that the smash community is entirely toxic, playing smash years later, and then figuring out you're only half right.
I'm glad Hbox is getting the appreciation he finally deserves for having the determination and perseverance to actually be the best. Hopefully this game becomes our generation's next big sport.
And like all big sports, hopefully it stays interesting to watch like this is for the stories it makes like for the Puff with no bounds
@Gabriel Praslin I remeber a melee tournament where they cheered for him, I swear, I just can't remember which one... I think it was a tournament around 2017 where he won against Armada
@Gabriel Praslin That cheering at the end EmpLemon
took from that tournament where Hubgrybox was thrown crabs. Because that incident crowd feels bad for him and they began cheering https://youtu.be/3kgwi_b1V9o?t=1485
I'm a little upset at how Hungrybox has been recently, where he stops taking the game seriously and then cries about how he isn't winning anymore. He's a legend, no doubt, but to say he is the face of melee or even IS melee takes away from so many other top players that built the scene.
I think recently with covid making tourneys online he's been really poor because of online lag being specifically bad for puff more than others. Also heard he had a capacitor blown in his controller at one point, neither are excuses but explanations. I want hbox to enter another era of dominance and put himself in the GOAT debate undeniably
This was very well done. Imagine one day internet history and anothropology being taught as a subject in schools, as it has clearly impacted our culture and development as a society.
I was trying to look for something to listen as a background as I'm working on a project and I found this video. It had a very interesting title, so cheers for that to you EmpLemon, and as I'm a gamer myself I clicked in.
And sooner than later I had to postpone my project for 1 hour 24 minutes 37 seconds 😂
The quality editing, how you told the story, the issues and problems Hbox (who I didn't even know until today) went through, what a wonderful video. I just couldn't get my eyes off it 🔥
I also want to send love to Hbox if by any means he also gets to read this. I like to think I don't care what others say about what I do, but when not only someone you love but YOUR OWN FAMILY doesn't support your biggest dream/objective, wow, I've never thought about that context but I think I'd go through some serious and pessimistic times But he didn't only stop dreaming but chose to dream full-time until he made it a reality by being number 1🏆. Against all expectations, against the majority of the crowd, and by breaking all the game stereotypes (a game that by the way I hadn't invested any time in knowing until now. 5 Gods by the way. Just wow, Melee fans are so lucky to be involved in a context of that caliber).
From there on, the "routine": As it was an inedit way to play the game, casual fans called it "easy" as there was no other player at the top to compare him to, and I guess hardcore fans realized what he was doing and had nothing but recognition for Hbox. Given the way Emp edited this video and not having gone through that Melee decade, I gotta be on Hbox's side, easy choice for me. And I really hope I'll someday reach his level of persistence so I can make my dreams come true too.
And to you EmpLemon, thank you for letting me and everybody else know about this and being a great part of this Sunday for me. And for many days to come, as I've (obviously) not only liked the video but also subscribed to your channel.
P.S. I now know that 'Never ever' is actually a saga, so you can bet on the fact that I'll watch more of these videos sooner than later.
Thank you to everyone who had the time to read this, have a wonderful day, I'm having it too 😁
@rakkatytam we have no idea. He has a Twitch channel called DocumentaryKid that shows the process of where he's at. Also I forget if it's more about Mang0 or the Five God's era.
I've watched multiple professional documentaries less interesting, less well organized, and less informative than this video. I know nothing about smash, and know nothing about HBox except that he played smash, but am surprised to find this whole thing very very interesting. Well done!
Super smash brothers was honestly the greatest game ever when it came out, honestly I remember how excited me and my cousins got when we first played it at there house.
Imagine taking a character generally understood as one of the weakest and turns it into a god. You can spend your life working with the best and deliver results. However, to bring something from the dirt into the light is what a true champion does. Good on him, he's worth his weight in gold simply by the drive and dedication to his goal.
After watching EmpLemon's new video where he goes through his YouTube journey I can certainly see some parellels between him and Hungrybox in their respective communities, both becoming the best and fairly popular in the "wrong way" so their communities treat them like shit until they lash out. Only difference is Emp moved on to new things and Hungrybox continued with Smash.
Wonder if that's a reason EmpLemon made a video on Hungrybox specifically, since he knows how it feels for an entire community you're apart of to treat you like an outsider.
I bet he was planning on holding it up like a sign in the event that Hungrybox lost so he could do the "crab rave" meme and then just got asshurt when he realized he was gripping a dead crustacean for the whole event and wasn't gonna be able to do the thing so he just chucked it.
@Axi That's gotta be a tall tale and a shitpost, but it's definitely an entertaining one to listen to. "Entreprenegro" he says, ha. The bit that seals it for me as a joke is when he starts talking about covering for the guy behind the scenes.
I can just imagine that fourteen year old kid now telling his co workers how he beat one of the best smash bros players in the world back in the 2000's
So you mean that one guy single handedly influenced a whole new generation of players and a whole new playstyle pushing the boundaries forward? Sounds like a legend of the game to me.
@Valor Viper I mean not really I honestly know nothing about the smash community. A friend asked me to start playing it on the switch with him and I haven't played since Melee so I've been watching videos. I just think that if someone say's something like "He broke my friends hand so he couldn't compete" then that friend went and filed some sort of police report no ?
Given that the whole SSB community is toxic, it doesn't really matter what the legends do or have done. The legacy is already permanently tarnished by people who claimed power for themselves and abused it within the community.
@Kyle Picard if you only see things in big picture mode sure, I think this is less about the community and more about one man. One man out of thousands who decided to stick to it through all of the bad stuff and come out on top. Honestly who cares about the smash community as a whole?
@Valor Viper wow, you really showed us other people in a YouTube comment section lol. Something tells me you would care a little more if he actually broke ur friend's hand? Either way, congrats on having a life, I know that's a difficult thing to do, keep living it and don't spend it hating someone you don't know ;)
@Apie Daus they do lol, at a certain point between beginner and Pro you find most melee players and discussions, which are basically just dick-measuring contests of how fast they can get arthritis lol
I live the fact that he defies the meta and works to overcome the meta. That's how a game stays vibrant, if top players don't give in to the meta and keep rocking their own thing it's much harder for a game to go completely stale.
I have no idea why this got recommended to me and why I watched this whole but dang this video is amazing. How could people hate this guy? He stick to one character throughout his career when the meta was on Fox and Jigglypuff was not considered to be a champion worthy. What the F was that theory that Jigglypuff was so easy to use that no other is ranked with it because its boring and easy? No matter which game it is, toxicity will always be in the community.
honestly being in the genshin impact community, some people care way more about being "the best" instead of having fun. meta is dumb as hell, enjoy the games you play.
One of these days I need to track down a smash bros tourney. I’ve always wanted to play in one. I’ll get my ass kicked for sure but id want to see exactly where I stand against other people
I started this video like "eh I don't really care about Smash but this guy's vids are always good" and by the end I was like "this is the greatest sports documentary ever made"
34:26 I love catching the one small error in every EmpLemon video, it really is a testament to how thorough Emp is if THIS is the biggest error in the video.
No, we would understand their reasons but suffering and sorrow doesn’t justify actions. If you justify your actions with your pain you are no better than the people who hurt you and you deserve hostility at your direction.
Sure, that is true in a general sense but that logic cannot be applied to Hbox. If you think about it, he isn't doing anything wrong, he's just playing a disliked character in a game. He has become an enemy to many for playing a certain character which isn't a justified reason to show hostility towards him in the first place
God I get chills with this Intro of Super Smash Bros. N64 !! This was my childhood and our most beloved and competitve game we played as children. Thanks for this awesome historylesson about this incredible player!
Here I was thinking the most interesting part of the smash community was chair sniffing. This touching story has unironically gotten me really interested in the history and the scene. Thank you
@Genocide is fun sure kid. Sure. Please feel free to NOT reply to this one and don't call people what they just called you. How about just saying "no u" next time instead?
This video started playing as I was getting ready for bed. So I just started to watch it to see what it was about. Now it's an hour and 30mins later and 2 in the morning haha. This has to be one of the best video game docs I've ever watched.
Watching this made me want to play Smash Bros for the first time. I found out that I'm the world's worst Smash Brothers player so I'm kind of like hungrybox except at the wrong end of the spectrum
I don’t know how anyone can call learning smash easy. I literally tried to practice with captain falcon to get better at him and it took me about an a hour to realize that the amount of time I would have to spend at actually getting good at just one character would be wayyy more than I wanted to put in. If other fighting game communities think it’s so easy then why don’t they just switch over and win a few tournaments. Shouldn’t be too hard right?
This really brings me back to my VGD teacher in HS. I remember the hours spent on Melee after school on a TV monitor that had woodfibre panneling, a gamecube situated next to an Atari 2600, Sega dreamcast, PS2, and a PS3. The hours spent playing falcon with friends, often times accomplishing little. I never was great but when I heard the game had a strong undercurrent fanbase despite it's age It didn't surprise me.
@Dragon Brendan As a Leffen fan, this simply isn't true. Hbox has vastly more wins over Leffen overall, even when he's "playing well". Dont get me wrong, I'm a huge Leffen fan, he's in my top 3 with Axe and Mango, but he simply isnt better than Hbox overall.
HungryBox's Story reminds me a lot of The Plot for Megamind. A Misunderstood Outsider that finally got what he wants after years and years of hardwork and battling against impossible odds then gets villianized for it just because he's different. But after someone saw what he truly was on the inside beneath the lies and the persona, they strived to reveal them to the world and community that once vilified and spited him, who hopefully overtime finally accepted their champion as a hero and not the villian he was never meant to be.
One of the most underrated comments here, just watched Megamind as well so it was perfect timing but this was something really interesting to think about!
Just wait until you find the original super smash melee documentary. Impossible not to watch that 4 hour documentary less than 2 or 3 times, somehow lol
I will skip decent chunks of most videos that are 5 minutes long, yet I was pausing this to get food and rewinding it if I thought I'd missed something. Genuine congrats to the creators here. And hungry box who's apparently my new father-figure
The secret to all great sports documentaries is that they're not about the sport, they're about the drama of true competition and this had plenty of that.
Winning a loser's bracket doesn't sound so exciting tbh, but I mean hell, that dude is a Smash God. I once went to a tournament here in Finland and only won two games, it was hard as hell so I understand how much skills it needs for you to be on top..
PS. I atleast won an NHL 19 tournament in my hometown, got an invite to a bigger tournament but declined because my good friend was gonna be there and he is just a little better than me, plus he has won top 10 players several times. I don't know why I told this, maybe I got excited about gaming.. 😂
Man chill some of us haven’t played melee but the story behinds hungry box is interesting and amusing I am sorry if I sounded rude but well this is just a feel good video to spend time and chill
TigerRace when the next smash game comes out ultimate fans will move onto it. Melee fans will still be playing melee. If your game is so good, why doesn’t it have staying power? It’s because smash 4, ultimate, brawl, they are much simpler. Melee’s engine provides far greater freedom than any other in the series. I bet you can’t even wavedash.
@J H wavedashing isn't even hard , '.' wavedashing perfectly is just stupidly precise , your reply was fine other than that but trying to belittle others only shows a lack of quality.
He never had any weights from the beginning, considering how easy puff is to play. When he quit his job was the equivalent of him driving a boat in a swimming contest
@UT Jason are you saying people are willing to waste their lives by playing the most boring character to play in that game? That doesn't make any sense
@Dirk Bro you have won the funny award your comment is so funny I can't stop laughing red sus is the most original funny thing I've ever heard in my life again your comment is so amazing because the joke is so new and wasnt used to the point where I gag seeing a comment like this.
is the crab mentality why he doesn't help any other players practice? i have no skin in the game but that seemed to be a big issue that this documentary spent less than 10 seconds on
@Official Storage He does play friendlies, just not with top players. Because puff only really has one playstyle, her mixups are that much more important, so he really can’t afford to let other players try and discover habits of his. There aren’t a lot of top players who play puff, so why would he want to divulge trade secrets to people trying to beat him?
@Official Storage tbh its kind of a catch-22. Puff isn’t exactly the most “fun” to play when compared to other characters, so really only people who play to win rather than play for fun choose her. Even then, like the video states, the most popular (and one of the most fun) characters is Puff’s worst MU, so you’ll lose a lot starting out.
The combination of only people who “play to win” playing her, and everyone else destroying you when you DO play her, means that only really, really, really dedicated players (with a bit of a chip on their shoulder towards other characters) stick with her to top level. And thus, The Box.
@Dr Creed dude so many of his high tier matches are recorded, anyone can find hbox's "secrets". A decade ago people were saying the shine meta was only for players who wanted to win. I think you're missing the point of life that hbox embodies, do what you want and if you want it enough you'll get it.
Here's what I see: I've always heard the Melee community was toxic, hateful, and super conservative... they'll complain about the appearance of and absence of the same thing. And they idolize a very specific set of criteria without realizing that... that doesn't make the thing better, it makes it different.
And if this video has shown me anything, it's that that community is so openly hostile to everyone around them, they're like a bunch of children with their arms crossed looking to be cool and conform to this idea that, if you're not like them it's okay to kick you. The lack of empathy for human beings that people have to capacity for is incredible. HBox is the best player, and yet the community that he held up high in a big, visible way hated him. Hated him to the point of not saying "I hate HBox as a player" but attacking him as a person. Just... just WOW people. Empathy and compassion aren't weaknesses. They aren't things that make you someone to be stepped on. Show some empathy for another human.
You're right, but thankfully the community has become much more accepting and open. Mang0 himself as a person has improved drastically as has Hungrybox and everyone else. The only volatile person who is still idolized is, arguably, Leffen and even then his grip on the community has lessened as he has become involved in other games much more. Hungrybox and Mang0 are both still the top personalities of Melee though
Reading through the comment section as a melee viewer is hilarious. All these people were cracking up when emp brought up Dr. Pee Pee (PPMD)'s name. When I watched it, it didn't faze me; I am totally desensitized to the absurdity of the melee community.
It's just insane how much this video broke through with the algorithm. Who knew a melee vid could have such a far reach to even people who don't play nintendo games?
@Bob Reed People villify him cause he doesnt play the community sponsored character pool. He isnt a villain of the community, all he's done is reveal how toxic and un-interested in change the community is.
@Bob Reed you literally just proved the video's point. people don't like hbox because he proved that melee isn't a fast-paced combo fighter, it's a fucking party game.
@Bob Reed His bad for playing optimally, I guess? Most people I see who dislike him just hate how puff plays and hate that they dont get to see the usual cancer fox laser camping.
@Bob Reed Yikes dude, a lot of deflection going on. 1. You can have role models of any kind. No need to be super condescending. 2. When I called him a hero it was literally within the context of the OP specifically using the phrase 'villain' I frankly dont think about Hbox more than maybe once or twice a month when I tune into a Melee tourny. 3. Whats this about 10 year olds? We can all be adults here if you're willing :)
@Bob Reed Ey yo I be real here and say you got some issues. First off, the idea that a personal hero shouldn't be "some dude playing videogames" at this point is barely even a concept. back when I was growing up, even the idea of making games or wanting to be an animator was laughed off like you should think of a real job. I got punched for having a mario backpack back in the mid 90s, and frankly the pain doesn't hurt nearly as bad as being told that what you believe in is bullshit.
And you know what? I'm more than fine with people idolizing someone willing to push their limits to learn a game like this. it's more than I will ever be able to do because I just don't have that kind of mental reaction time. but atleast I'm getting where I want to be as an artist, and i'll keep pushing forward because I still wanna be the best artist that I can personally be, even if I don't necessarily have a rival. It's literally no different, and it's no less valid a cause in the grand scheme of things.
Also, calling people 10 years old was lame FIFTEEN years ago, what makes you think it's a clever comeback now?
I feel bad for HungryBox because he just wanted to feel like he belonged somewhere.
The smash community is really toxic and down right cruel. I like to play Smash and I am a blue Kirby main but I don't like to play competitively especially after witnessing how mean a lot of competitive players are. I would rather play for fun with my friends.
Been playing smash since the beginning and have always played off meta characters because the wins just feel more rewarding. The goofier the character, the more fun they are to play in my book. I don’t win the most but always have a ton of fun. Mad respect to HBox, he conquered the best players in the world while they played crutch meta picks and was hated for it. What a bad ass!
@Doombringer I would. Because although she may be there today, she wasn’t always s tier, we have to give hbox credit for showing us the greatness of the pink puffball! She is only B tier at best in the hands of a normal casual player like me.
I started watching this video just to have background noise while I went to sleep but ended up watching the entirety of it because of how interesting it was
Yeah I definitely didn't think I'd be here an hour and a half later. I figured I'd get partway thru and quit. I haven't even played Smash really since original.
I have never had any interest in competitive gaming and never really in Smash either, but somehow I was thoroughly interested and entertained for 1.5 hours by this video. I don't know how you did it but it was good
I wanted to get into Melee once, I looked up to Hungrybox. When I started getting into the community and saw how he was treated and I just left, I'm not bring a part of a community like that
I didn't even know about Smash Melee nor any other player there (random vid I clicked for solely that 'Puff thumbnail). But this was genuinely one of the most inspirational stories I've ever heard. Cheers to ytube algorithm for this one lol, great vid Emp :)
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Imagine being that 14 year old and you now have the story of the time you at 14 beat the best smash player
@C S that's overselling it, I mean, they're an incredibly passionate community, which is why they don't like hungrybox, they're incredibly passionate about what they think melee is, the only player I actively dislike is Leffen, mainly because he seems so full of himself, but even then he's still incredible at the game
@C S yeah but this video shows a lot of the worst in the community and doesn't show any of the good because that's not the focus in this video. You can't generalize the entire community because of people being mean to hbox
@Ray Allen not to be mean buddy, but there is better things to look for rather then being offended. Trust me even though I haven’t tried it, I can assure you it’s not very fulfilling. Try to look for something you like mate. Other then that have a nice day. :)
@Ray Allen What makes you think that? From my perspektive I think there is no anger or negative feeling behind what I wrote there. It was more of a giving advise. You of course dont have to follow my advise or anything I say what so ever. I just dont think that "talking shit" as you put it, is very fulfilling in the long run.
Mew2King, Mang0, and Hungrybox aren't serious gamer names either, really. Armada is the only God with a serious name. Keep in mind, this is coming from someone who's favorite smash player is M2K.
Mike Tyson had a combo. Hook followed by an upper cut. And it was powerful. He would drill this combo over and over. Any time they filmed him he would throw it. It was a combo any other fighter could use, they just couldn't do it as good.
Tyson also used peekaboo defence. He would dip in and out of the way of the other punches. He kept a high guard absorbing any blows that came his way.
Nothing he did was a secret. And nothing he did was special. He wasn't even a big heavy weight. That's what made him so intimidating. He laid it all on the table and said if you want what I have come take it. You know where I'll be.
That's the same thing hbox is doing to mele. Just like Tyson some one will come along and beat him. But for now hbox is king to an ungrateful people. When his run is over people will look back & reflect on it. That's when everyone will realize what they were seeing. That's when they will be able to appreciate the amount of work an artist put into their craft
it's weird to say, but this video actually made my cry, because it reminded me of my own life. at school i barely have any friends and i don't fit in at all, some of my classmates even try to avoid me. two kids in my maths class try to actively annoy and harass me, while i am trying my best to understand the subject, their little dumb asses are sitting there, destroying their brain cells while scrolling through TikTok. but the one thing that always makes me happy, and makes sure that none of the incredibly evil things that i want to do, i actually do, is animation. i love animating so much that i animate in my free time, when i am supposed to be sleeping, when my mom drives me to school, especially since i animate on my phone and use an animation software that people call "terrible" (it's FlipaClip). even though it's very frustrating at times, it's incredibly rewarding and all the praise and appreciation i get for my animations always just make me smile
@Jarrot He's still strong, but he's just not on the same comparative level that he was before, and leffen outranks him now, with plup, axe, wizzrobe, etc. catching up. he hasn't declined as far as mew2king, but he's very far from dominant. The video is claiming that Hbox is the last of the 5 gods who still truly holds the title.
@Winson Zhu Mang0 literally beat Leffen in Winners Finals at Genesis 7 super cleanly, and yeah, Hbox definitely out performs him recently but each game is definitely getting closer and closer
@Winson Zhu Yeah, and it's honestly a pretty awful take. I mean despite Hbox's three straight years of number one ranking, Mango still has a positive H2H on him. Why? Because up through 2014, Mango was 22-5 on him (2 of those losses were sandbagging). Is Hbox better than Mango now? Absolutely. But the relative gap is imo about the same compared to earlier in their careers when Mango was better. So I can't say it's really justified for the claim to be made that Mango isn't a "god" now when Hbox was called a "god" back then
bro what are y’all on about mango is literally number 3 in the world (probably should’ve been 2nd) and won big house like 3 months ago. this isn’t even the worst he’s ever been
This video completely changed my view of Hbox, even though I never had anything against him. Always respected him as a player, but you're right he represents something less tangible but no less valuable about Melee; it's unlikely position as a top competitor. Also, amazing job on the editing and narrative structure of the video.
@Soris Trufas and here's your medal for giving into that attention and being the exact reason as to why trolls still continue on the internet. bc people like you refuse to just shut tf up and let the troll wear itself out. by giving into the temptation of replying, you give them a reaction, regardless of the intention. sometimes, less is more. <3
🥇 wear it with pride, brother. its likely the only ''prideful'' thing youve ever earned in life
@asia Here have this medal for your medal giving for thinking trolls care if someone replies to them. Like that'll stop them or something if someone doesn't reply to em. Genius, probably the only medal for intelligent comments you'll get!
i was jumping in out of my chair on this video. kudos to Emperor lemon for makin gthis monumental video/documentary. and Hungrybox, jesus christ that is sick
I never knew Hbox got all this hate. I have never really been "into" the competitive scene, but as a casual Smash fan for decades now, I was peripherally aware of the gods and the melee scene and so forth. I always loved Hungrybox. It helps that Puff is one of my favorites, and the fact that he sticks with a character so cute always endeared him to me. I never really realized he was considered a heel.
@Corey Golphenee Why would I do that though? Like if a match is boring me I'll just turn it off? I've seen Hbox pull some really baller plays, and yeah sometimes those involve stalling, but like... Idk I just kinda don't like watching full games of smash anyway? Clips and highlights and doc style videos are great, but I don't really have the attention span to watch people play a game that I own and could just play myself, y'know? The way I play is more fun anyway, I find most competitive smash pretty boring cause they play on boring stages, use a bunch of the same characters, and don't use items. It's smash without all the stuff that makes it fun for me, so it's never really been my thing. But like point remains, if it's boring you, why not turn it off?
@sterlingdragon123 its because before he started planking him versus fox was argubly the swingiest most fun wild while having the highest level neutral of any matchup in the game imo. I watched because melee has higher level spacing and combo trees then all but a few fighting games and him starting to plank was kind of proof that the game that felt super limitless in terms of depth was becoming solved at the highest levels, and really the popularity of it started to wane after that
@Rafelandroid2 Around 2013 or 2014 not quite sure when, a guy in a soccer match (Barcelona vs Villareal) threw a banana at a brazilian player in a supossedly act of racism, Dani Alves (the player) proceeded to pick it up and bite it and continue with his corner kick, that was cool but not sure Hungrybox could've done that with a raw crab
This is so well-done & riveting. I made my roommates watch with me and we were all glued. Does anyone have more recs for FGC stuff that goes in depth like this?
Wild Ironguy bruh it’s not growth if his ult content is primarily casual and his melee skills have been declining for a year and a half. He keeps saying he wants to be strong at melee again but it’s just not happening unless he really zones in again
@Wild Ironguy I don't think Ultimate is that big an improvement over Smash 4's mechanics tbh. You pull off the same combos and make mostly the same decisions, except ultimate has directional aerial dodging.
@Tjerty i played smash 3DS, smash wii u and smash ultimate an insane amount each and damn ultimate feels a lot better than smash 4. Tighter movement, better combo’s, more characters and, something that personally bugged me in smash 4, when someone gets knocked back, they actually move normally and not just slowly floats offscreen
@Jared Vargas Yo he's been bouncing back, he's making grands at majors again, just needs a bit of bracket luck I think to win one again, or needs to figure out Zain.
Id love to know more about the kid who bearKen in a local tournament cuz he was bored on vacation. That kids base must be in another base, holy hell(no illwill to either one but holy shit.)
I play Sora in ultimate and people say the same thing about him. Floaty and defensive. Esam's cameos on alpharad's channel got me into competitive smash, and hungrybox keeps me going. Remember "just because its different, doesn't mean its easy. Winning a tourney is hard with any character."
Maybe the guy was kind of a fan? I mean, why throw a symbol for not letting one escape at him, if you could throw a rock? Or the guy was just drunk. That's probably it.
i never looked at the melee community and once I saw this video became so satisfied how one person that had everything come down on him and say that he's not good enough became the best in the world and taught others to not give up and even if everyone doesn't appreciate them they still keep on trying and trying. It really shows how dedication, hard work, and years of practice can prove those people wrong and show how you are good enough and you can be one of the best too. Amazing video, I also found one of the songs I was looking for in your music list too.
Brian Torres he retired because he had a problem with his heart. Too much adrenaline I think can hurt his heart. I think it’s impossible for him to come back
Or, what if he threw the crab just to throw the crab up there lol either way, I feel bad for hungrybox, you can definitely see his love and passion for the game
Everyone can be angry at that guy, but he is kind, like, he throw a crab at hungrybox because duh "hungry" box, he was only trying to give the winner a good meal
@shitass IT DOESNT MATTER IF ITS RAW OR NOT YOU NEED SALT ON CRABS THATS COMMON SENSE IF HE CAN SNEAK A RAW CRAB IN THERE HE COULD PUT SALT ON IT AND IT WOULD MAKE BARELY A DIFFERENCE
yknow, i haven't been watching hungrybox very long. but from the videos i watch, i can definatly say with confidemce that he cares for this game very deeply. and for that crab to be thrown at him made me pretty sad. cuz hes worked so hard to get to that moment and he was just disrespected.
I've always liked Hungrybox, always saddened by people's reaction to him.
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Lucia De Biedma2020-01-27 13:32:20 (edited 2020-01-31 20:02:23 )
My son, the best Jugglypuff in the world!! The one who never gave up, the one with the greatest resilience. The one who had to endure tremendous bullying from his own competitors and fans. My son learned the greatest lesson. He used that negative energy, transforming it into a positive attitude. Be blessed dear son!!!
Lucia De Biedma Oh my apologies! Well congratulations with your sons progress and achievements in his career over the years. You must be so proud of your son! Cheers to Hbox <3
Your son's story is truly inspirational, he became the best in the world with a character you wouldn’t expect, and he never betrayed the character, he stayed true despite the constant harassment from everyone.
Bien hecho, señora De Biedma. Juan en varias ocasiones le ha dado el crédito por sacar adelante a su familia. Existen pocos atletas con la fortaleza mental y la dedicación de HBox.
@Luis Tijerina Muchas gracias por tu comentario tan amable!! Mi hijo, es una gran persona, con mucha resilencia y perseverancia!!! Yo estoy extremadamente orgullosa de el!!!!
Lucia De Biedma2020-01-31 14:06:31 (edited 2020-01-31 14:16:36 )
@Foundinthesauce First of all, I apologize that my English language is not the best or the correct one. I was born in Argentina, from Italian and Slovenian parents. I speak 4 languages, but I learned English in my 50s.
Lucia De Biedma I’m sorry if there was some misunderstanding that wasn’t addressed to you. Your English isn’t bad at all sorry for the confusion I love hungrybox
Thank you Lucia for never giving up on your son. He may be not known to 99. 9999% of the world. But he represents 0.0001% of us who has the will to never give up to be the best at something in the 🌎.
Your son is an inspiration to players like myself who strive to achieve the unthinkable and defeat the seemingly immortal. Blessings to you and your son!
The crab in a bucket mentality is so strong that it even spread to me, a casual observer of melee's competitive scene. I started to hate Hungrybox for little more reason than because other people did. Sure, it can be boring to watch his jigglypuff--but that's no reason to hate a person, not in the slightest. Sure, he can be a dickhead sometimes--but I find myself drawn to people like that today, I frequently will side with Leffen and League of Legends players like Hashinshin because to an extent I can understand their disposition, and I also find it far more interesting to support the unpopular. Theoretically I should have taken to Hungrybox immediately following this rule, and for a time I did. I found myself sympathizing with him and frequently disliking Mango instead. He's worked hard to get where he is, while Mango kind of just did nothing but play games and found success. But then videos like "HBOX IS KILLING MELEE" started popping up--and I actually believed it.
Good job overcoming that incredibly pathetic and weak part of yourself Rusted can.... Now uh, can you explain to me why that part of you existed in the first place? I don't understand envy. Envy is blatantly inferior to greed. Why does anyone feel it?
@Tom Hill Well, I guess I just can't help it man. My brain will never be as monolithic as yours I'm afraid. I can't even imagine the pure bliss of being so intelligent that all emotion is superseded by pure rationality. I am envious of your mental capacity, good sir--which yes, is ironic given the current point of discussion.
@Rusted Can remember A time when being open and truthful was respected? When you can be open about yourself and how you improved without some shithead who thinks that makes you weak? yea those were the good days...
@DML102 I didn't say he wasn't a worse player, I just don't respect him nearly as much as I do Hungrybox. Hungry's been grinding his whole life even outside of melee, while Mang0 just existed, did and achieved nothing, and suddenly found fame in melee. He's the stereotype of the slacker getting lucky. Yeah he's good at melee but I doubt he's had as many tears in his life as Hbox.
I always found watching Hungrybox to be the most interesting melee player, mainly because he did something that everyone else didn't. He was a player who played slow but could do something explosive in an instant. He seems to always learn what he needs to do to help him better. He just seems like the kind of player that could stay at the top, and would only get better the longer he plays and the more he learns.
Dont compare Hashinshin to Leffen. Hashinshin is against the balance direction of a video game and leffen makes personal attacks against people, not fair to compare the two.
@Gooz That is true, I was referring to their disposition of being "villains" of their communities. Less true for Hashinshin but he is not well respected by anyone. Nobody listens to him even when he's right.
@Rusted Can You're really just making assumptions. Mang0 grew up in poverty and had to be frugal with any tournament money he won. He maintained his status as the #1 player in 2013-14 while raising a baby and has basically had to rely on his personality alone to make a living on twitch, the earnings of which he now uses to support his entire family.
Nah you were right before lmao. Hbox is killing melee. Every tournament he goes to GF's in the viewercount plummets. At G7 the other day viewercount dropped from 90k to 70k when GF's came on and hbox was in it. Hbox is a terrible excuse for a human being.
@Neuro So what you're saying is that for every 9 People that watch Melee, two will leave because they "hate" Hungrybox? That's still 7 very interested viewers and two that aren't
@K1naku5ana3R1ka "there are people who like hbox and then there are people who have met him" -Leffen
He has been caught cheating (looking at PPMD's controller to know which way he was going to DI so he could get a rest), many of his ex fans who have met him say hes rude af to them including one kid who asked for a friendly set. Hbox beat the kid the first game and then unplugged his controller and just walked off. he refuses to play friendlies with other top players and goes out of his way to tell other puff mains not to as well so people cant learn the MU, he acts like a manlet half the time (i.e when mango was #1 hbox beat him. Hbox stood up, put his hands on his head and started crying and goes into the cheering crowd. Meanwhile, mango is wrapping up his controller and just sort of stands there for a bit waiting for hbox to turn around and shake his hand. Hbox was too busy crying and soaking up the attention from the crowd to even notice. So mango left. Hbox then goes onto the smash bros reddit and calls mango an asshole for not shaking his hand.) At EVO when he won, he did almost the same thing. He beat Armada and stood up and put his hands on his head and started crying and literally fell down on the stage, crying, and smacking the ground with his fists. Only AFTER his little act went on for a few minutes did he get up and go over to Armada, who was STILL sitting there waiting for Hbox to shake his hand and to stop acting like a child, and shook his hand.
@TW bro that's a 20% viewercount drop. With literally any other players in GF's viewercount goes up significantly. At Big House 9 when hbox got beat by M2K the viewercount spiked by like 10k. Then when Mango played Zain in GF's it spiked again. iirc, Big House 9 had over 100k viewers for GF's if you include the Spanish simulcast. About 97k if you don't. I will say that when if hbox starts to lose in GF's the viewercount does go back up a bit usually but that's only because people like watching him lose lmao. But if he starts winning it only dwindles even more from the initial drop when he comes on stage.
@K1naku5ana3R1ka sorry, my bad, at EVO armada didnt wait for Hbox to finish his little crying act, he got tired of waiting and got up and fist bumped him LOL
@Rusted Can I honestly have no idea how you can consider Mang0 a slacker, the guy has been grinding melee for over a decade to get to where he is now, and you can see the amount of passion and work he has put into the game just in the way he plays
@Azirul yeah it's such hard work stalling every match and bairing while having no tech skill whatsoever vs the most technical and difficult to play character in the game
@Neuro ah yes,I'm sure the over abundance of fox is much more interesting than a more skilled character where dodging the opponent attack is key to precisely counter their attack,with an attack that could've easily backfired and lose a stock. I'm sure you guys are fantastic people who can accept changes like that!
@Rusted Can It's actually kind of annoying to be honest. Sure I never experience envy, but I can never get a straight answer out of people. And I gotta watch people do dumb shit like, everything that happens in politics these days.
@Neuro My guy they all did fucked up shit. I haven't heard of any controversies with hbox recently, but a lot of that shit was in the past. Mango did some fucked up shit too, so did leffen and m2k. I am not an hbox fan in any capacity, but he honestly doesn't deserve so much hate. Also it's possible that the people who leave when hbox comes on are just haters of hbox and dont want to see him play because they were convinced by the community that hbox is terrible, which based on that means the community is killing melee, not hbox. I also disagree with azirul, fox is harder to play than puff, but I believe puff is still difficult to play and just because it isn't as hard as fox doesn't mean he deserves no respect. Honestly I would rather see the melee community die respecting hbox than watching it try to strive after alienating and forcing him out when he just wanted to win and be respected. The community either dies with the little respect it has and hopefully make people respect it more, or it loses all the remaining respect it has.
Jigglypuff is literally the underdog character. Everybody else bouncing around doing flashy shit. Then out of nowhere. REST. And for all their fanfare and spectacle, they lose.
@EnjoyCocaColaLight How is Puff an underdog character? She has a setup that kills every character at 15% and her aerial game dismantles most of the cast. Now, C.Falcon, THAT is an underdog character.
All you gotta do is watch Mango PPMD Armada and Hungrybox on the couch at the 1st or 2nd Smash Summit tournament and you'll hate Mango forever. He was in rare form that day
@Neuro bro have you ever worked years and years for something only to come so damn close countless times. And then to finally accomplish that task. If not you have no reason whatsoever to rag him for celebrating his win against his hardest tasks. Also if you're one to complain about how someone is genuinely celebrating after beating you, just win, dont lose to them if yiu can't takehow they celebrate. Because you have no right to criticize anybody on how they take victory.
@Neuro also, why can someone be scrutinized for not playing in friendlies against top players? You never saw Ali accept non title matches where they just freely boxed did you? Its called bei g a competitor, a prize fighter. Someone who always plays when there's something at stake. Quit taking random garbage about someone and rewriting it into your mind creating some false truth about people you dont know. And for the trash about people tuning out when he plays, its mostly because they know they will get a match where they wont see "oH gEe i gEt tO sEe fOx gAmEpLaY tHaT iS sUpEr hArD aNd oRgAsMiC"
Completely out of the loop regarding Melee, it's scene and it's meta until i saw this. Great video, just like Internet Historian's about No Man Sky. Channeled vitriol from a toxic hivemind can ruin lives, and somebody stepping up can change the narrative for the better. The resilience "Hungrybox" showed over the years is inspiring as fuck <3
As a Maryland resident, a couple of things to set straight: 1) that's a cooked (steamed) crab, not raw - the shell is orange, indicating it's been cooked; and 2) no true Marylander would ever throw away a perfectly good crab, regardless of who wins or loses a video game.
@Red You guys? When did I say I'm from there? I am from Finland so sorry, I just pointed out that there are toxic gamers everywhere in the world, no excuses
Dr. Pepper2022-03-20 08:51:14 (edited 2022-03-20 08:55:06 )
The SSB Melee Community Before Watching : "I'll watch the video, but only because I hate the guy and I want to write an essay about a story about him being a meanie head on Twitter" After Watch : "Perhaps I judged you too harshly"
I have to say, after watching this, SSBM has one of the most pathetic fan bases I've ever seen. Man, I feel bad for Hungrybox and the shit he has to deal with. It's fucking ridiculous! Not sure how I got her from an eight-hour trial video then news of Ukraine, but I'm glad I clicked before going to bed.
I kept getting recommended this video, and i literally had almost zero interest in watching it based on the title and thumb. After getting bombarded day after day in the recommendeds and on the home page, I finally chose to click on Jigglypuff's goofy face. This brought me into a world in which I never held any interest- competitive gaming, and a character study of players in that world I knew nothing about. However, I was immediately immersed and engaged in the story. The way you've told his story, the structure, the intelligence... it was heartwarming. I can tell you have a true passion for the realm, an insane attention to detail, an artistic mind for storytelling, and a soft spot for the underdog. I slacked off at work for the entirety of this over-an-hour-long youtube epic, and gained a respect for a man who's career in a way represents so many of us. This is amazing.
There is a documentary out there about Melee's competitive scene in general and each episode tends to focus on a particular notable player if you are interested. It called "The Smash Brothers" you can find it on youtube just by searching smash documentary.
@boglemeaster thanks for giving it a chance. What many people don't realize is that competitive gaming is full of stories like his. That's part of why people enjoy watching competitive gaming. Sure, the initial draw is more often than not the fact that we like the game, but as you continue to watch you start recognizing players. Then you begin to realize you're watching their story unfold right in front of you. It's honestly an incredible feeling to realize you were there for an event that turns out to be monumental.
@st0nks I began watching it and it's really well made and entertaining too. 4 plus hours long though; I'll have to split it into parts and watch all week at work lol.
I would highly recommended the Smash Bros documentary Emp mentioned at 31:26, it follows a bunch of different top players in different time periods, spliced together with footage of them and interviews with them and others in the scene at the time.. I never really played Melee but after my friend showed me that documentary I was completely hooked, I still play daily :D
Everyone playing Fox, the meta character : Wow ! So sick ! A Jigglypuff main, a low rank character, defeating the meta : So boring... He's killing the game !
To give context with Hax against Mang0's secondaries, Mang0 didn't use his secondaries against Hax because he was good. He was using them to prove a point.
Hax was considered to be the best Captian Falcon main in the world. Hence he was the 6th best player. But over time, he started to lose faith in Falcon and switched to Fox. Fox is considered to be the best character in Melee due to his speed, recovery options, kill potential, and his broken shine mechanic. Fox was so good, Hax started a meme that went by 20XX. Hax stated that the game will evolve to a point where everyone only plays Fox at an optimized level, to the point where games are decided by rock paper scissors. Because of this, Hax stopped playing Falcon and focused only on Fox. Over time, his optimal play would get better and better to the point where the meme might come true. Hax has denounced Captian Falcon, stating that he would never win a Major tournament.
Mang0 got sick and tired of Hax's vision to the point where he started to use characters like Marth (A much slower character compared to Fox and Falco) and his former main against him: Captian Falcon. Mang0 wanted to prove to Hax that his claims about Fox are bullshit. And he ended up winning the set, and Hax refused to shake his hand because Mang0 refused to use his main against him. He saw that as disrespect. Mang0 would eventually start to pick up Falcon and Marth later on, usually playing them when he was bored. Whenever he faced off Hax, he would use both characters again in close sets.
Unfortunately, due to Fox's optimal play; Hax would end up developing carpal tunnel syndrome on his hands. His hands got so fucked up to the point where he has to use a special controller for him to play. Because of his injury, his level of play dropped significantly. Because of his condition, people started to take care of their hands now because they became more aware of the dangers of not stretching your hands.
"Mango is a straight-up jerk. I get the chance to play him in tournament like twice a year and he picks joke characters. So BM." ~Hax, on Twitter after that loss
@vDeadbolt He placed 4th, which I believe even counting his glory days is his highest placement at a major. 2020 might finally be the year of the return of Hax$
@EN100 001EN I came here to clarify this, I believe part of it was genetic, according to Hax ( I remember him saying something along these lines when discussing the B0XX ) I am sure it normally wouldn't affect the average person in his position, but he practiced tech skill to such a point of repetition that they, essentially, wore out.
@craftandshaft he got 3rd at pound 2016 (which majorly contributed to him ruining his hands to the point that he can't play on gamecube controller anymore) but genesis 7 this weekend absolutely stands out as the most impressive (so far, melee just always progresses and moves so fast. every year is more difficult than the next)
David H2020-01-28 02:09:52 (edited 2020-03-09 17:26:40 )
@Fralorgrafon it did originate from Hax, at least in regards to the Melee meme. The origin of where the idea or the phrasing for the 20XX Melee meme came from is MegaMan, as it's used as an ambiguous time setting for the events of the game. That origin isn't what is being attributed to him though and isn't what is being discussed... It's even part of the joke that the 20XX Melee meme is a rephrasing of the original source to poke fun at Melee.
If what you meant to say was something like "the origin of the concept or phrase that initially included '20XX' was actually from MegaMan", then you probably should just say that. What you actually said can easily be interpreted as you trying to reject or discredit the idea that Hax is the originator of the 20XX Melee meme, as just stating "20XX" by itself these days is more synonymous/more well known as being a Melee thing.
The original concept didn't inherently have anything to do with Melee until Hax popularized the association/rephrasing anyway. If it were an equation, it would look something like this: 20XX from MegaMan + Hax = 20XX Melee
David H2020-01-28 18:27:41 (edited 2020-01-28 18:46:08 )
@K1naku5ana3R1ka in Hax's mind (this goes for a lot of other players as well), being able to play one of the game's best players in a serious setting (meaning outside of friendlies or crew battles or doubles etc) is a rare and cherished occurrence as it tends to be a set you can learn all kinds of new things from. Especially so if you are not used to making it deep into tournament brackets, as it's an amazing opportunity to practice your mental game too. If a player of an extremely high caliber plays someone below their level with characters other than their main, sometimes the message it can send to people is "I am good enough to be able to beat you with any character" or "you aren't worthy enough to face me playing my main", even if that isn't actually intended by the better player.
The expectation Hax probably had was that he thought Mango would play the character he mains/is best with and try his best to seriously beat Hax. Instead, Mango decided to use his secondary characters (ones he doesn't play as often or as seriously as his main) I think with the intention of being more showy for the crowd and potentially to show Hax up in some way, rather than playing him as seriously as possible. I think Mango did probably try his best to win still, but the experience/gameplay is far different than if he had played his main at the time. There is also the factor that Hax might have prepared in advance to face Mango expecting to play against a certain character but then Mango changed it up on him unexpectedly, meaning the matchup that Hax practiced for had changed.
Considering Mango to be "a jerk" for what he did comes down to how you perceive Mango's actions and/or if you're aware of what his intentions were at the time. I'm pretty sure the OP is right that Mango played Falcon and Marth to prove a point to Hax, rather than just play him straight up like he would normally do/was doing with his other opponents at that event. The person you're replying to is just quoting Hax directly, and he feels like he was disrespected/not taken seriously, hence why he called Mango a jerk
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Will DG2020-03-18 06:53:31 (edited 2020-03-18 06:58:40 )
Before he got injured people considered hax$’s tech to be almost 20xx levels of technical skill. even though 20xx is clearly a dumb idea it’s true hax was probably the most technical top player in the world at the time. Not the best but with better game sense, decision making, and other not tech skill based traits. He could of been better that prime mang0 imo. He was obviously lacking in what is really needed to be the best ( shown by the rise of hbox ) but if he had game knowledge like m2k or mastery of competition like armada hax would of been unstoppable
@Will DG honestly hax can give m2k a run for his money on knowledge. They're very similar players.
Except for how they think about the game. Hax is a character specialist, m2k plays the same way with like fifteen chargers depending on what works for the matchup.
58:39 this right here people is the face, the face of confidence fear and sheer practice, all at once knowing hes got it, but knowing that he can lose just like that
The crab wasn't raw, it was steamed. Raw blue crabs are blue and kinda gray/brown. Anyway, that's your Maryland fact for the day, looking forward to the rest of the video!
Яеversed Я I also am a fan of “Melee was a Smash hit.” Because you smash someone with a melee weapon and it’s Super Smash Bros. Sorry I don’t know why I felt the need to explain.
Best thing about this pun is you'd need to know how to pronounce Juan. Most I've came across here Australia just pronounce it as "joo-wan" thereby totally missing the pun. Same with Cruz and other Spanish common surnames... "C-ruzz", lmao.
Dude... I am so glad that this video was made so that he could see for himself that those hypocritical idiots are not a true representation of humankind.
How did I just watch one and a half hours of someone I don't know talking about a game I never played and a player I hadn't heard of in a competitive scene I couldn't care less about? I guess a well told story can be about anything and having a "short attention span" says more about the quality of content one watches than about themself.
this video actually inspired me to become a much better pikachu main in every smash bros installation. i'm currently studying pikachu combos and pikachu matchups and KO percentages
All of his Never ever video made me pretty much into whatever he's talking about, Always Thought Wrestling and NASCAR as some dumb sport. Now I'm a fan of them
I've never touched the super smash series but this man who suddenly poped up in my recommendation made me love gods of a game I've never played or ever would be able to
As an outsider to the Melee community, I've always looked up to HBox. A player who never conformed to the norm and just did his own thing, succeeding by being different. Teaching everyone that there's more than one way to look at something.
I never played competitive but just hearing his story makes me really root for the guy, the faceless mob can be cruel to people just trying to do their best at their own thing.
I don’t exactly play melee but rather ultimate however hungrybox has taught me to stick to my own things regardless of pressure which makes me still play ness no matter how many people stereotype their players as crayon eaters.
god, every time mango takes off his shirt I just imagine this wave of sweaty stench just wafting across the (already stuffy looking) room. it must have been hellish sitting in one of those seats 🤮
After hearing about how Hbox has been treated and the kind of stuff Zero had to go through, I gotta say the smash competitive community is filled with an awfully large amount of absolutely shit people.
I love smash bros, but almost NEVER dive into its community. I have a really nice group of friends and an esports team at my school to have fun with, and I would rather stay with them instead of going into the wider smash community.
ANY large and dedicated community is going to have a lot of that kind of people in it, but I will admit we can be a bit worse than plenty of other communities at times.
It's a mixture of us having a lot of younger kids and teenagers (especially when compared to other fgc's) who haven't fully matured yet, while also just being deeply enthusiastic about our game as well. It can be really easy to lose control when it comes to something you care about, and you can see that in a lot of other sports as well.
Of course, there is a decent amount of genuinely toxic people in the scene as well, but that's just because as a community, we try to be open to anyone, even people like that.
Every large competitive community inherently has a lot of people. Even if there are a majority of great people in a community, there are always at least a small minority that are toxic af and their toxicity always stands out much stronger than sportsmanship. That's just the reality of human beings; the few rotten apples can make a whole basket of apples smell like shit.
I wanted to like smash, but the community Is so toxic that the tradition coming off of it is effecting me, a person had never played or never wanted to play smash. This is why I stick with the FGC even though the FGC has it's own toxicity it doesn't feel as bad.
I mean no offensive to these people but its about as consequential as Justin Biebers hate mob (not comparing them to Justin fucking Bieber but I'm just saying its about just as many people). also zero didn't quit because of fucking community backlash, I don't even know why he said that, he quit because smash 4 was about to die and the pressure to keep winning (especially when he made enough money from youtube and what not) was too much for too little, which is fine but there isn't anything wrong with that. and hbox never quit and his reception is slowly but surly getting better especially since this vid got like 2 mil.
Dire, Dire, Docs I haven’t seen any stories of kids or teens who have been toxic, I got fucking bodied by this one kid and he was really humble about it.
It's just like any other community. If you go to an in-person tournament, everybody there will be pleasant for the most part. A portion of those same people will be pretty toxic online. It takes a special level of arrogance to embarrass yourself in public at a tournament though.
Y'all "it's just like any other community" people: no, no it isn't. Smash is a toxic as hell cesspit. Get in some healthier competitive scenes and you'll realize just how bad it is.
I can’t disagree but u gotta give the community respect bc of how self made it is, any community made from the slums like smash was is gonna be a little toxic
@forestsmusic music no excuse tho, i dont get why ppl are like "ok but every community is toxic" yeah most have toxic sides but not ALL of them are AS toxic as smash, some are a lil more some a lil less
That's actually the same for a lot of competitive gaming communities to be honest. You have the obvious salt of LoL, and the childishness of Fortnite players, those are low-hanging fruit. But look into Overwatch, people like xQc and Redshell who consistently complain about the game when losing, but insult people for losing and telling them git gud. CS:GO is full of people who are so elitist about their game vs other FPS' that new players are shoved into the dirt and ridiculed rather than encouraged and trained. Even the good examples of sportsmanship and respect in pro gamers doesn't extend to the next tier down. A lot of streamers who are good enough to get into upper tiers of their chosen game even look down on pros, making statements such as 'I'm better than X, I just don't have the time to go pro' or 'I could go pro and win every game, but it doesn't pay as much as streaming.' In very few circumstances, those statements might be true. But a lot of the time it's just jealousy and posturing to make themselves feel better.
The fighting game community in general is shit tbh. I've played two tournaments in my home town and I didn't place super well both times, but I swear some of these guys really think that fighting games make them like real fighters.
@Raidiar bro same my friends who are smashers wouldn't dive into the community because of how toxic it is but unknowingly, I got into it and I was disappointed and disgusted because of my love for smash and how people can act so disrespectful despite having a love for the game.
beautifully made video. i dont know much about melee and have never been into it but this is truly beautiful. hbox sounds like an amazing dude and hbox truly has a SICK puff. hoping the two of you continue being amazing :)
you know what? almost nothing gets me motivated, but this history.... is very very different, i just think HBox is the perfect example of never giving up... he need his own movie <3<3<3<3<3<3
Hey emplemon! I was hoping for the next Never Ever episode, Im hoping that you can do something like "There will never ever be another DJ like Martin Garrix" since it would be a pretty interesting topic for you to cover. I don't know if you'll actually do it (even less if you even see this message) but it would be cool to see that. Loving your vids bro. Much love <3
The hate comes from always using puff as his main. Most players change characters every once in a while. From a spectator pov, he's boring to watch play, most of the excitement comes from what his opponents do or don't do. Not from anything he does with puff. But maybe that's just me.
@Blade1301 Not all spectators agree with that sentiment. As far as I can tell it's primarily a smasher cultural thing that seems to actively dislike Hbox's playstyle as, "boring, lame." People from other fighting games who also like Melee can appreciate his style because it's not uncommon to see varied playstyles in traditional 2d fighting that are like his.
@David Ke Thanks for explanation, I can see where that comes from. I think maybe playing Melee/Smash influences it more than just watching. I've watched a ton of Melee, but I basically don't play it. I also come from games where the general culture has been use one move, and use it to the cheapest as you can possibly use it. If you win with it, a win is a win. Granted even in those cases people call it lame or boring, but the response was to adapt and work around it. Although it's different being a spectator my influences have always looked at the highly nuanced play that is derived from extremely simple play styles. I can appreciate them no matter how much they regarded as lame.
I've loved smash my whole life, every single game. But I've never had any desire to be a part of the community. Because the smash community generally is fucking trash. Especially after the last couple days? Trash. So not surprised he's had to deal with all the garbage.
That’s a curse of almost all fighting games communities, it’s a shame that most people there are so toxic and childish, cause this attitude discredits these games and competitions.
Joe H. How, it's his opinion that puff is boring, doesn't mean he hates Hungrybox
Personally, I prefer other characters over puff but I dont get mad when hungrybox or jigglypuff wins. When a large part of the melee community hated on hbox I was someone who didn't and found the hate childish. That doesn't mean you can't have preferences.
Smash community: sick sick sick Also Smash community: numerous counts of child molestation, rape... you name it (Not all, alright, just a number of top players)
@TUME 1 still doesn't excuse throwing a fucking crab at someone. It's not Hungrybox's fault that puff is weirdly designed, and no other player has been able to really replicate hungrybox's achievements with the character.
I think the main reason why is simply because of Puff. Many players get tons of hate based entirely on their main, and they start to make assumptions about them as a person. For example, Ness mains don’t get much love in ultimate, especially BestNess. BN has been dominating in online tournaments, taking more wins than any other player since lockdown. He’s best known for his unconventionally explosive ness, abusing magnet and his frame data to overwhelm his opponents with speed and aggression. Despite his respectable Ness and his friendly personality, he still gets hate for playing Ness, by people saying “BestNess bad, he only won because of WiFi lag” even though top players, Hbox included, said that BestNess was legitimately a Top Player, WiFi or not.
Amagys honestly, it’s weird that they think that tbh. like yeah it’s fun to watch the other characters speed around, but there’s something so satisfying about how puff seems to just. destroy people while floating around seemingly effortlessly half the time. that may just be me though
I really don't understand why anyone hates Jigglypuff or Hungrybox. Like sure, it's gimmicky. But I don't really feel the gimmick is cheap or without punishment. And you have to be lying to yourself if you don't think landing a clutch Rest is simultaneously the funniest and most badass move. Like this video says, it's a ticking timebomb that keeps you on the edge of your seat. I personally can't get enough of watching Jigglypuff fighting in Smash and why would I not want to watch the guy who's best at it do it? Way more impressive to win with a gimmicky character than to win with the best character in the game, imo.
I do have to agree that the re-watchability is high. I come back to this vid when I’m doing some road trip driving or even home work as some background noise.
Just the fact he didn't main or side one of the space animals in Melee unlike damn near every "God" or "Top" earns my unyielding admiration. Also holy shit what a toxic community....like damn near any competitive gaming community.
Emplemon is like that kid in class who’d say funny, weird, irreverent shit all the time but was actually the most well spoken and knowledgeable the moment you got in a real convo with them
How? How have you done this EmpLemon? You've made an hour and a half long documentary on par with big budget documentaries, that genuinely makes you feel every loss and victory that Hungrybox experienced, and those last 20 minutes really make you rethink everything you just watched and ties up the entire video damn near perfectly. Bravo. You've created possibly one of the best videos on this platform.
That's crazy, after winning 100+ tournaments he has only earned 300k but kids are earning millions from one tournament, I guess when you target games to kids with moms credit cards, your prize pool would be bigger, also not to mention Nintendo are dumb asf
If You were hated every day, belittled and antagonised for the smallest things. You would grow intollerant and angry. He is antagonised for no reason, just because he plays jiggs...
I made my statement as a person who doesn’t play the game but since I am still a gamer I can empathize with the sacrifices you make for yourself to play a game.
Jugg MKJ I think you’d be kinda sad too if you went to a smash tournament and won only to find that nobody in the audience appreciates you or your win, and even throws a fucking crab at you because they’re such pissy babies that are always against you no matter what. There’s way more to it than “crab thrown I’m big sad now” you know, chill.
Jugg MKJ imagine not being able to see deeper than “it’s just a crab” yet someone says “gamer” and now you think that it had deeper meaning, are you a tough dude or a big soft baby?
@Jugg MKJ and Jimpa are both fools literally watched this video and took nothing away from it and just sit here stewing in their salt... You kids need to grow tf up and realize that hes a person and hes better at the game than whichever loser you root for recognize greatness for what it is and appreciate it because it wont be around forever and when its gone you'll realize how amazing it was then all you'll have is all these years of salt to look back on.....
Damn i didn`t even know that this game exist but after hearing what Hungry Box has to go thru just to make the people that didn`t see him as to who he really is. Is like damn he truly is a legend worth respecting and looking up to now even if i only know just now that this game exist and its community. I already hate its community on how they treat a legend is truly is sad that they didn`t see Hungry Box as he truly is.
So Hungry Box if you somewhat reading this i hope your doing fine! :) And you will always be a legend!
I know I’m in the minority, but I loved Brawl. A classmate in my dormitory let me borrow it (along with his entire Wii Console) back in college about 12 years ago and I had no idea another smash game was released. I loved Mewtwo but since he wasn’t in it, I had to find a new main. That’s when I discovered Lucario, I must’ve played that game religiously every day after class. I’ll never forget the day he asked for it back, I was so bummed out. I had it for like almost an entire year, I even bought a few games for it. I never played smash competitively so I just enjoyed it for what it was even though it was slower than its predecessor. I loved the new smash ball, and soundtrack for the map final destination. To this day, Brawl still remains my favorite out of all the series for nostalgic reasons.
@Neiasaurus Creations he doesnt have any context for the comment, that's why he's looking for the timestamp, seriously would you enjoy looking for a small part in a 1 hour video?
@Blitzkrank I mean. That's not what was happening though.. Person just didn't want to watch the video because it's "too long" so wanted other people to watch it for them, and spoon feed them whatever info they wanted. Which just is a slap in the face to all the effort Emp put into the video. If you can't be arsed to watch it, than just move on. Don't ask for other people to watch it for you. Kinda defeats the entire purpose of youtube to have other people watch it for you.
@wysp Nope. Not acting like that, nor do I care. It's just annoying to see people comment that haven't watched the video and refuse to. It's a personal annoyance of mine. If you can't be assed to watch the video, I can't be assed to do it for you. Kick rocks.
Repent to Jesus Christ!! ““I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.” Matthew 10:16 NIV H
Ah! I wanted to say that I loved that video, I didn't knew much about smash, specially melee... But I played a lot another game, called Grand Chase, most people may not recognize, but is a fighting game, with a different style too, he uses plataforms, and so many different styles based on RPG, so mages such as Arme, usually runs a lot an attacks from distance and other plataforms... Is a game with lots of minor bugs that became part of the mechanics inside the combat, such as "mush, otto, shadow, lothos" and other ones... Even tho have plataforms and some characters are close range, others are middle or long ranged, and with so many different forms of combat, it is still a intense and fast paced battle, very dinamic and fast, with lots of dashs and mechanics, too much freedom to create combos and sequences of any kind and styles. Very intense game. But I decided to use a character with low mechanics, very weak, with less resources that any other character, very weak, and I limited myself to play usign "grabs", that works like any other fighting game. I was slow with less mechanics, weak, and I usually did low damages usign grabs, with was needed 10 grabs to take one of 3 lifes. My fight style was slow, weak, and "not so apealling", not very much aestethic and fast... I did not use any kinds of combos, only grabs. Wich has zero range, and it is weak, and with a weak character, with defensive properties.... So other people usually tells me that I have a boring fight style and that I do nothing special, I lack in this "Sick" fighting style, and people hate me for that. But even with the weakest character, I win lots and lots, I created a solid way to find openings and pass throw other players hits and grab over and over, with a dinamic and offensive style, usign their speed and mechanics against them. I created a very solid and great style, with a low and weak character, and started to win everyone, but with my style that everyone hates... So I recognize myself in Hungrybox, because I felt my whole life playing Grand Chase, the same way, winning, but being denied by everyone, even tho I use lots of stategies and have more knowledge than everyone else, with great timming, just because I won't play as the meta says it is correct.
the rivalry between hbox and armadas fox is amazing. cause like, its the protagonist dealing with all the brute forcing enemies only to come up against one just as strong but far more cunning
@Lollikaboss [o.W.n] well Melee won't be dying anytime soon. The only way it'll die is if the world runs out of CRTs. But even then it can still be played on monitors.
@Lollikaboss [o.W.n] I wouldn't say it's the game's fault. It's the community that ruins the game's reputation. Those dudes need to chill out, take a shower, and start reevaluating their life.
This entire video is pure catharsis for me. I love Melee and I love the absolute best video essays on the internet. This video is exceptionally long, but it needed to be that to truly tell the entire story, and personally I love long videos if they are this well edited and researched. Absolutely phenomenal work that I could not have done better myself. Something that finally, in an at least somewhat concise way, captures the raw human stories that fuel Melee. Keep up the great work EmpLemon.
But as a self identified crazy competitive melee fan I want this comment to stand for one point to the contrary against EmpLemons personal take on the Melee scene. While Juan Debiedma does not nearly deserve the hate he gets and I feel everyone is too harsh on him as a whole for many unjust reasons, there are legitimate reasons for why many fans of Melee feel like he is not good for the competitive scene or the community and rally behind other players instead. This is so much to say that sports fans, like myself and many others, admire different players for different attributes that define them as competitors and that the story of Hungrybox is one of many others. Thusly it is fine to dislike or like hungrybox just like any other player, team, coach, organization, or aspect of a sport. This is what sports fans do, we get emotional about every little factor that makes the competition what it is.
From the video and how invested in this community Emp is I know he understands this, and so do most people watching this video, and hey if you’re reading this long-ass comment on a feature length youtube video on a nearly 20 year old esport I hope to god you do too. What I’m trying to avoid is a simplification of some of the messages in the video, because obviously the video is about Hungrybox and not anyone else. This is the story from his perspective. I implore everyone to go out and find all the other amazing stories in Melee. For Example:
- Mangos journey from a cocky kid to a hardworking, honest, champion of the game to this day who is both wildly entertaining as a streamer/internet personality but a responsible father to his son and family as a whole
- Armada who overcame literal oceans to prove himself as, as of right now, the best player to ever grace the game as we know it.
- Leffen who started as an Anti-Hero god slayer with a chip on his shoulder overcoming some of his more toxic behaviour to become, while a still blunt teller of truth, an incredibly talented and well rounded player of any fighting game he touches.
- Amsa, Axe, Wizzy, all proving that Hungrybox isn’t the only player able to make unconventional characters win the highest skill events Melee has ever seen.
I could go on and on about nearly every major player the game has seen up until this point because I’ve been watching since 2013, yes, I am a doc kid. A very passionate member of this community who only wants to see it grow into something even more special. All I ask of you dear dedicated commenters, fans of Emp, fans of Melee, or complete newcomers, is that Melee is inherently no different from any other competition or sport. People have opinions and view teams and players in other ways than the way it was presented in this video. And that is okay. Like seriously, it’s okay y’all. Calm down for a second geez.
All in all, this video is great, but do not sell melee short. There is so much more complexity to the game and its community that cannot be fully grasped even in this nearly hour and a half long titan of a video. But the fact that a video can be made on one of my personal least favorite players, AND it is this enthralling, endearing, and accurate proves one thing.
I can never discuss why HBox is bad for the Melee scene and how the community has always handled rules. People think criticizing is hating. Video's like Rishi's about rulesets need to be made. Videos praising HBox do not. I know HBox is highly skilled, but there is a reason he gets hate and this video just doesn't really present a fair representation of that, it paints him as a hero for facing adversity and overcoming it. It just feels disingenuous. However, you shouldn't get a fucking crab thrown at you. That's pathetic.
@Jim So glad other people get that idea. My one disagreement though is the video being disingenuous. If the video were about Melee as a whole, or giving a fair honest look at Hungrybox from every angle, yeah it leaves out information on him and doesn't go into enough detail about other players and their relationship to him. But as a video telling the story of Hungrybox as a competitor from his own perspective? I haven't seen anyone else do it better. As much as I don't like him, he is still the Hero in his own and his fans storylines
@Ramblin' Man that's very fair, man. I just think it isn't acceptable to discuss HBox without discussing rules and other players complicated history with him. Otherwise you've just made a propaganda video. That's the problem when your content is focused more on being wholesome than objective. I don't think this video shouldn't exist in any universe, I just think he could've been more even handed.
@Jim Yeah I agree that would have been more ideal for sure, but the video is already so long and adding that in would some what take away from the narrative of the video. This is what I love about Melee though, Emp made a feature length film on one player and it isn't even close to saying everything there is to say about him
And i would say most people hold that view, it is the loud minority that shits on players like some do to hbox mostly but often to leffen and sometimes to mango.
I as a mango fan just enjoy his play more and i prefer watching a gf with anyone but hbox yeah, but i do not hate hbox i respect him and ofc he's an integral part of melee and it's history and that's a very good thing.
I just believe that my opinion that is held (in my opinion) by most people isn't voiced. And tbh i believe it is so much better these days you can see people applauding hbox when he wins most if not all the time. We've changed and it will keep getting better. But 2020 will be mango's year hehe. Peace
@Jim Lol y'all can't even comprehend a video that doesn't completely shit on the man. One of the few videos on the internet that actually tells his story in such a way as to not paint him as a cancer and you think it needs to be more "even-handed".
It's like you don't even recognize that you have biases. As if the neutral position is "Hbox sucks" and everything else is propaganda.
@windumaster14 no, you misunderstand. HBox is a very complicated man with a very complicated history. Not discussing those complications when you're doing a supposedly comprehensive history of the player is disingenuous.
people love to forget mang0 a puff main originally lol. he switched not because of some 20xx shit, he switched to falco first then fox too because he was inspired by earlier falcos with there fast game play and combos. 95% of people will tell you spacies are straight up just more fun to play than puff. puff takes a special type of player, patient for sure. very patient.
42:15 So HungryBox basically did a Megamind (literally and figuratively) and embraced The Evil Persona the public gave him because they won't give him a chance to be a good guy ?
Fuck dude, came into this not even knowing who Hbox was n went from curiosity, bitterness, and finally to whole-hearted admiration. Great video about an utter legend
Thank you Emp. Hungrybox recently broke down on a twitch stream after being flooded with subs and donations, and I just kept thinking that this video has helped people recognize the pain Hbox has went through. Thank you for helping Hbox finally get what he deserves.
Mango’s Puff used to wear a crown, showing how he was the “king” of melee, at least to the community due to his popularity.
Hungrybox’s Puff wears a headband, representing his dedication and will to continue playing the game, training to become the best and ultimately overcoming his hardships.
Competitive Melee is scripted and it’s my favorite anime.
Bro how long have you been watching? Mango certainly wasnt popular back in his puff days. People always disliked watching Puff. The only thing that made people chant for mango way back in the day (before 2010-2011ish) was his rivalry with Armada and even then only because he was representing the US in front of a US crowd.
icecore to be honest not very long. i’m only 18 (as of this year) and I know nothing of the Gods when they started out/the early days of competitive melee because i wasn’t interested in it until much later. i was just making a comparison based off the information given in this video.
@icecore, that's not quite accurate, mango used to have a hatedom, but he still had people cheering for him, particularly when he was playing M2K. He didn't become a fan favorite until gen1, but he wasn't reviled like M2K or Ken or other previous top players. Chillin and others have said that they thought puff was 'cool' and 'fresh' when Mang0 first started winning with him. Mango had tons of close allies in the community like Scar, Toph, Hugs, Lucky, and SFAT.
Hbox, for comparison, was getting hate from everyone (except crunch/cobol) even before he was winning tournaments in his own region.
@screenname98 ok. Why is being an Hbox fan inherently bad? People can like whatever they want to like. Personally, my favorite smash melee player is Schythed but Hbox deserves his #1 position after years of training.
I was cheering for Mango back in 2009-2010 and certainly he received a good amount of hate when he was Puff. Anyway, it's nothing compared to the hate Hbox receives.
Person Personson this is the smash community. this community is like a toxic waste dump where deodorant and showers don’t exist and everyone subsists on each other’s sweat glands. i’m not surprised i got these kinds of replies.
Like the sole Engineer in a lobby of Scouts, the resilience to fight in the face of overwhelming odds and act to the best of your abilities is the pinnacle of humanity in action.
not going to lie his combo was pretty amazing, i should get good at fighting games the whole thing sounds interesting but i don’t understand the moves, even if i could get good to defeat level 6 cpu flawlessly it would be good.
How the heck did I get a masterful dissertation on the double-faced nature of human collective behavior and psychology just because I was somewhat curious about the history of Melee competive scene?
I love how they put the inputs of geese Howard, a character whom is often regarded as difficult and hard to play amongst his own community making him less popular in his own game compared to him getting heavily enjoyed in tekken a movement based game with many simple to use inputs
I tried to convince my wife to have a pound 2022 "tournament" in our bedroom, she just won't go for it.
Edit* Since I've told her about hungry box, she has now decided he sounds like an excellent contender. She didn't realize only I get to play in the "tournament".
when ultimate came out, I hadnt played a smash title since melee. I was a captain falcon main, and I was decent. Came in third in a local in ny once. Anyways, I struggled in ultimate with falcon. It took a long time for me to accept that I wasnt vibing with him. I made the switch to ganon, and immediately saw improvement. Then I found out hes among the worst if not the worst tiered character in the game, and knew if I tried to break into competitive, it would be next to impossible. I jumped on puff once as a bit of a joke, and havn't looked back. I still main dorfy, but puff is a really strong secondary.
Yeah Ok From my (half remembered) knowledge, Emp was bashed for making “pandering content”, he made something else (again, half remembered) and everybody thought he was going on a downward spiral. He made a Logan Paul video, “why the fuck are we stuck with you?” happens, and the rest is history. Somebody please come along and explain this better than me.
I've never played any SmashBros, I never had the chance, but I love eSports in general. My favorite game to watch in a competitive lvl is League of Legends. Seeing the community throwing sh*t at the best player of the game like that it's just sad. like, imagine Faker (for those who don't know, he's the best in League history) starting to play a boring character and start being flamed by the community, I really can't imagine that, League community is REALLY toxic, we haven't touched that lvl, as far as I know. Though, it's pretty heartwarming to see this guy overcoming all that crap for the love he feels towards the game and the ambition to become the best. My respect to hungrybox
People like that are the very definition of being a "no-life"... and the reason as to why I stay as far as possible from any competitive environment nowadays. ;P
@SleepyBoi yeah but he is a lot happier and still enjoying smash. Plus he gets to tap into his commentator skills as well. So overall id say he is better than ever
@Jonni they absolutely are, especially now that everybody has had time to get used to them and slippi has extremely good netcode. Hbox will probably be better when covid ends because he seems to feed off of a crowd and is not practicing as much, but don't John for the man and discredit everyone who is grinding and getting good results during covid
@SleepyBoi yeah... except Hbox can go be an engineer whenever he wants to make 100k a year. And is probably making that on twitch. Quitting school to game is incredibly short sighted and risky
@Seank7 In my opinion, doing good in online should give you credit as a good player, but if you are a player that is already proven to be good but doesn't do well online then it shouldn't count against you.
@Drake&Josh Official Youtube Channel I know what you mean, and I would have agreed with you in, say, April or May, near the beginning of lockdown when everyone was getting used to slippi tournaments, but at this point players have had plenty of time to adjust to the new tournament format, and so its just unfair to people who are taking the game seriously online to just sit back and say "Yeah but how much do these results TRULY matter, things are different now" when this is the only way to play melee for the past year and for at least the next several months (in USA at least) Not to mention, in region locked tournaments, sets are actually often have either negligible lag, or literally 0 lag. And with the fact that everyone's at home you actually remove a lot of things that would impede you quality of play from in-person tournaments, like being distracted by a crowd, the venue being too cold for your hands, the tournament running late to the point where you've lost energy, not having access to friendlies to warm up before a set, all this is solved by slippi. So yeah slippi tournaments have their problems but they also have their upsides for competitive integrity. More importantly, it's been almost a year since tournaments went online. People have had plenty of time to get used to how melee is played now, there's no excuse if you can't adapt. And during this period, the meta has evolved faster than it possibly ever had, due to people not only having unprecedented amounts of free time, but also unprecedented access to practicing with other top players, and they've taken advantage of this and improved at absurd speeds. If Mang0 wants to lab the Marth matchup, he doesn't have to ask PewPewU to drive across California for friendlies, he can now play PewPewU, Rishi or Zain or a bunch of other Marths in a matter of seconds with no lag. So at this point I do think a lot of current top players have actually far surpassed the skill of Hbox from 2019-early 2020, because he hasn't taken advantage of this grind opportunity like they have, so I do think it counts against him that he just hasn't been keeping up with the meta's crazy fast evolution recently. I think when in-person tournaments come back, he has a shit ton of catching up to do. If I was a TO, I might not even seed him top 10 at that point.
I wonder if that one ROB player that beaten KEN, was respected or despised by the community after that unexpected win, I hope that kid is doing okay at these times btw
"It's all hard" is a sentiment I can say about videogames that are called hard. Sure, you can get really, really good at dark souls, but that's the same game each time with the main difference being item drops. Tetris is hard because it gets faster and with the 7-bag formula you can only ever get so good and get such a high score or clear marathon so fast. Metroid is like dark souls, you don't know where to go at first but once you make it a part of yourself, you know. But those are all single player with minor other player interference. Fighting games are ALL player interference, so it's as much skill as a battle of wits. Like playing chess but there are no turns, only how fast you can move one piece at a time within its normal moveset, having to take your hand off the piece each time a move is completed, just like pressing a button. All of this to say that competitive smash is harder than dark souls.
Prob not a whole lot to add to all the praise here but the way you sketched this out to be accessible to more knowledgeable players like myself while also appealing to new smashers is extremely appealing. Great video! Thanks for the quality entertainment.
Conflating Ultimate's community with Melee's is the most common mistake any newcomer to the scene can commit. They try to get along but, ultimately, they are two different entities.
@Daniel von Strangle Ice Climbers as a character had been soft banned or else outright banned due to having an infinite unblockable grab combo for years. That year that Wobbles made it to EVO grand finals was the first year that the Icies were unbanned, and Wobbles was ready to take advantage of other player's lack of matchup knowledge.
To his credit, it takes a lot of skill to land the Ice Climbers Infinite, and even going forward to this day, the Ice Climbers are a pair that rewards putting an insane amount of skill into the character for some brutal 0% to death inescapable combos across all games in the Smash series that they're in.
the idea of the "five gods" is pretty much dead as, in the state melee is in right now, literally anybody can beat anybody. like Magi beating Mango at Genesis last year or iBDw beating Hbox. melee is great in 2020!!!!!!
@Dustin Marshall is that why it was cut from evo lol? the only people who still play melee are neck beards who got decent and dont want to give it up. Like the video said even the pros are swapping over.
@NR Robin Did you even watch the video? Melee is bigger than ever before. I'm 90% sure mew2king will come back, just like when he left melee for a while to play smash4 or when Leffen left melee for a while to play DBFZ.
The game was cut from Evo when it had the second biggest viewership (after SFV), not because of it getting old, but because Mr.Wiz had to aquire hundreds of old and heavy crts for the event, which is probably more effort than it's worth when they can fill with other games.
Even then melee has always had more important events than Evo, like Genesis, SmashNSplash, Summit, Shine, Supersmashcon, etc.
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A quick summary of what happened with each one:
Armada: Retired in mid-late 2018 due to feeling that he had accomplished everything he wanted to in melee. He's now trying his hand at Super Smash Bros Ultimate while also diverting more focus to his stream and YouTube Channel. He also occasionally commentates matches.
Mew2king: Is trying to expand into different endeavors, such as: Growing his YouTube Channel, stream and his partially owned e-sports talent agency, MVG. He's also writing a book, which he says is his main focus right now. He remained largely inactive in 2019, and only really entered (and did well) very late into the year. He is somewhat trying his hand at Super Smash Bros Ultimate as well.
Dr. PeePee/PPMD: Has been on hiatus since march 2016 due to medical issues. On 2019 he started streaming and giving constant updates about his health, which is ever more opmistic. In 2020 he attended a tournament but did not participate, which has led people to believe he may be retired.
Mang0: Still consistently enters tournaments, but has had some quite uneven placings in recent years. He doesn't always play at 100%, but in 2019 he seemed to have had somewhat of a return to form, having won major tournaments, but is still nowhere near his level of dominance in earlier years. He has a very large stream, by far the most succesful of the bunch, having 6k+ subs consistently, which means he is not very dependant on tournament performance.
@NR Robin You literally do not keep up with the Melee scene then. Evo stopped hosting it because the players prefer CRTs instead of monitors and Mr. Wizard was unwilling to accommodate despite Melee typically bringing in more viewers than almost every other game. Mr. Wizard simply never has liked Melee and he never will, but the community doesn't need Evo and most of the top players dislike the lame 2 out of 3 format for Melee anyway.
A Melee tournament in January had over 1000 attendees, nearly as many as the brand new game that you're talking about. This same tournament had over 100k viewers. Now if that's a dead game then literally the majority of professional, competitive video games are dead or dying.
Furthermore, yes Melee players tried the new game out. Almost every single one continued to play Mfelee and most of them really just played it on the side and still only entered Melee events or at worst entered for both games. As of now, almost every player has dropped Ultimate to return to Melee full time. There are a few that continue to play it, but mainly for fun as very few have actually stuck with the game as a source of competition.
Just last weekend there was a Melee invitational with a $65,000 pot prize. So, nah man, Melee is thriving just as it has for years and it will continue to do so as Ultimate begins to die in a couple years, then the next installment of the series is eereleased, and we start this entire process over again, where I have to tell misinformed trolls like you that Melee isn't dying and the new game will never have the dedicated fanbase that Melee does because the new games will never be as amazing and beautiful as Melee. People love Melee so they'll never let it die, it's not just the next new game to hop on. It has survived three new installments to the series and it has grown. But you definitely won because you triggered me enough to type this long post to defend a game that I love and that the people in that video love.
@Daniel von Strangle He certainly was the underdog. I talked to him after and he told me that he was retiring, because that performance was his peak. Sad to see him go.
Armada: retired, just playing Smash Ultimate, and continue making melee content and be commentator some times. Mew2king: Still playing but to much cause he's writing a book, he continue beating hungrybox the last times they play. Dr. PP: retired for health problems but last year appear on Twitch again. Mang0: continue playing, last year have one of his best in a long time. He's playing amazing.
Fun fact: at the day the gods have lose to some others players, but there are just a few that can consistently beat more than 3 gods, they are Leffen, Plup, Zain (He never going against Armada cause he retired before his rise).
@Hesandil lmao why make stuff up? anyone can go on twitch and see that you're wrong. Took me five seconds to go on twitch to see dragonball fighters has more viewers and more followers than melee.
bigDingDong69 oh is there soooooo much of a story for you! Go into old VOD’s of tounaments. There’s such a rich history of melee that would be best if you watched yourself
@NR Robin fighterz has more viewers currently because it just got a massive update and everyone's returning to playing it after the initial hype died down (the game was that popular the first year too, but a somewhat underwhelming 2nd season kinda dropped its relevancy and viewers) If we were talking 2019 then Melee definitely had higher average viewer counts, which is very impressive for a 19 year game compared to a 3 year game that just had one of the biggest EVO debuts of all time.
As someone that plays DBFZ and doesnt play melee, melee would have much higher numbers if season 3 never happened (I don't know how long DBFZ will hold up its numbers but i can't imagine this spike will be long term). Saying its doing better numbers than all fighting games is a stretch but its certainly up there
An hour and a half ago I knew nothing about competitive Melee and now I'm a giant hungrybox fan. Literally all odds and all of the community against him and the guy never gives up and becomes the best, it's so damn inspirational. This video was so sick.
same! maybe i've always gravitated towards heels, but man, this guy and his valiant fight against his status as melee's definitive underdog is just so charming. what a guy.
Early video, I was like you and wanted to like Armada. He and I are two non Americans representing in America but at the end, I respect Hbox and am more of a fan of him
Works hard Always tries to come on top Has had a hard time and streaks of loses Kinda arrogant Demonstrates why by playing and not only by boasting Became one of the most dominant players on his prime
HBox, if you get to here and read this, remember the good words of Cristiano:
"Everything's possible. There's always a solution to everything except death. Life's beautiful."
Hungrybox is GOD. Please make more gaming docs man. Or just more docs in general lol. You have such a grasp on anything you cover. You tell the story beautifully
Hungry box isn’t just the best player, he’s a pioneer who showed melee players a new way to win competitively. It’s shameful that he has been despised for being playing as optimally as possible, just like every other true competitive player.
@Yoshi The Bear The Melee community hates Hungrybox because he doesn't fit in with what they think Melee should be. The FGC hates Melee because it doesn't fit in with what they think a fighting game should be.
@A1 Fromdisc No, not at all. The FGC hates Melee because they think it takes less skill than a normal fighting game, and the Melee community hates Hungry box because they think Puff takes less skill than other top tiers. HBox is about as far from a formal FG player as you can get.
@ZigZack Yes, it is! He says that in the video! Within the embarrassment that is the Smash community, the Melee community is an embarrassment within an embarrassment.
@Lyrical_images20 Mainly because jigglypuff considered one of the best characters in melee and because of how easy she is to use most people consider her as boring to watch. As for ultimate she isn't as good in that game and most unintentional features from melee have been removed completely or changed. She does get pretty hard countered by Fox though.
@Zooker If that's the main reason the fgc hates on melee, they're delusional as hell. There isn't a fighting game that comes even close to melee's depth like the game or not.
Love the video, but one thing that's missing is an explanation of how the tournament works. I'm still confused how he makes it to the grand final from the losers bracket.
The winner of losers finals gets to challenge the winner of winners bracket. The losers bracket player must win 1 set to reset the match, and whoever wins that set will win
What’s ironic is actually that jigglypuff shuts down more characters than fox, low tiers can hit fox pretty damn hard due to him being a fast faller. Puff shuts down peach, pikachu, ice climbers, virtually every character below game and watch. A good enough player can beat fox. To say puff adds variety is disingenuous, Axe didn’t win summit with pikachu because Puff was played over another fox, falco, marth, shiek. Axe only won cus he dodged Hbox in bracket
Luke Rose dude I get where you are coming from but saying that Axe “dodged” hbox is also not giving him enough credit. He won. While he had a good bracket to succeed in, it doesn’t diminish his win. You could say a player only won because they dodged for literally every player then. A victory is deserved no matter what type of bracket they have.
Michael Rubalcava I’m not saying Axe didn’t earn that tournament. He went off the entire time. His run was awesome, but had Hbox not gotten knocked down early he would’ve had a much lower chance of success. He’s taken like one tournament set against Hbox in his entire career
Luke Rose oh ok, I thought you were just saying that Axe’s win wasn’t as deserved because of hbox’a absence. I interpreted wrong, my b. I have just seen a lot of people say stuff about how so and so play wouldn’t have one because of another player, which I think is a terrible outlook. Sorry for that misunderstanding that I had.
@Daniel Bailey I wouldn't. The puff play is "Take a stock and stop playing the game". The best way to play puff is to *STALL*. Fox is interesting to watch, and somewhat interesting to fight. Puff is "I'mma run and you can't do shit because I have stupid disjoints"
Smash Ultimate does not have tripping. Melee players need to grow up, their argument isn't even valid anymore. They just want to play Fox, really badly.
@Daniel Bailey Calling one of the most complex matchups in the game "braindead". This is how any actual Melee player knows you don't know anything about the game.
Its so funny how half this comment thread is unironically thinking Puff isnt so bad when 1:06:39 was shown in the video. Like I get prefferences of not wanting to watch Fox but man this is a long shot.
@GatorSSBM This entire comments section (nay, video) is such a travesty of people not knowing what they don't know lol. spectators thinking they know the game
I mean it’s clearly a bad matchup for jigglypuff, I can confirm as a jigglypuff main in melee and ultimate. Hungry box has just put so much hard work into the matchup that he was able to make it almost even with his playstyle. The fact that he doesn’t do friendlies and quote on quote keeps his puff a trade secret makes it possible for other puff players to make the same journey. I’ve really enjoyed learning the matchup and other impurities my gameplay has.
Jigglypuff really is being screamed at without even having a favorable matchup against fox, the most played and arguably best character in melee.
@MKsomething I mean it's definitely debatable whether Puff loses to Fox at top level. She has a lot of tools that other characters don't to deal with some of Fox's strongest elements.
And even if Puff Fox is slightly Fox favored, that would be the only matchup in the game that Puff loses. Every other character has at least one unfavorable matchup (except maybe Marth).
It is crazy how one can get so much hate from one small thing. At least he had the balls to keep trying for so many years. Not even the other 4 gods would do that!
This reminds me of how little I actually know about smash bros. I'm a casual, no where near "good". Somehow though I was the best player in my school, to this day I'm still confused.
@ONO no doubt, and i'm glad his stream is doing well and that he's enjoying ultimate. He also said he was gonna start practicing melee more soon so we'll see how he does
The difference is that mango is fine with who he is and doesn't care about what others think while hbox is super insecure constantly needing approval/validation. Think I'll take the former, when an older person is asked for some life tips an often response is to not care what others think and live true to yourself. That's pretty much mango.
@kofe87 I disagree, the video already made the point that mango felt pressured to switch mains, I've got tons of respect for hbox not changing because of backlash
@ONO yeah, the video that's heavily biased towards hbox made a point about mango...ok.
My point still stands because their overall approach to things are how I mentioned, mango's just livin and hbox seeks validation. You don't need to hyper focus on one particular thing, like you attempted to do, to see that.
@kofe87 devalidating a source doesn't change the fact that he switched mains. I get you like mango but you need to chill out. Everyone is just a person and they all have flaws, no one thinks your cool for shit talking people with trauma and issues
@kofe87 I just did 5 minutes of research and it's well known that mango swapped because of criticism. RoM pointed this out and there's tons of sources showing mango swapped from criticism, that's fine and I'm not out here trying to attack mango but he's not impervious to pressure and will just live life however he wants.
@ONO You missed the point of my reply. The source is not relevant. It's that you hyper focused on one thing when my original comment was about both of them in general/overall. And in general/overall mango doesn't really care about what others think and just lives life on his own terms. While hbox does care. And by the way, making that obvious observation is not shit talking. It's just what it is. lol the end of your reply...wow defensive much.
@kofe87 i don't really care about your overall point, I'm just bringing up the part I had an issue with, mango does care and he's not impervious to crowd effects, treating athletes like people is important and generalisations don't do that. Not everything is about you
@kofe87 also personally I'm happy hbox is trying to change, he was kind of a piece of shit and if he was more like mango and didn't even try to change then I don't think i could support him. Learning and growing is more important then just living the life you want to live
@kofe87 also I'm not understanding what's defensive about my comment. I just don't want to be misunderstood, I have a lot of respect for mango and I wouldn't want to give the impression that calling him out on swapping because people didn't like his main is an issue
@coscove first of all that's not how arguments work, there are people who think sheik is still the best in the game. Arguments are about stating evidence which you gave none. Also I do think puff is top tier but she's definitely not the best in the game or broken. Rest is her strongest comeback mechanic but you can't use it at any percent or safely because unless the opponent gets a long ko animation it's just a trade. Also as we all saw from bayo, meta Knight, etc. People will use whichever character is obviously the strongest in the game with no restrictions on if they should use the character. Don't try dismissing an argument because you're a melee "expert" people are allowed to have opinions
@ONO i agree puff is not broken, certainly not as dumb as mk or bayo in brawl and 4, and if you can agree she's top tier that's as far as this needs to go, don't really feel like wasting my time on one of those 20 comment long debates. but lemme ask who would you say is "definitely" better than puff?
@coscove hmmm I see him very focused on ultimate in his streams and he just won his first online ultimate tournament with solo puff so I dunno his plan
@coscove nah online absolutely affects playing, some more than others but just look at Leo or any pro player on lag. Hbox definitely doesn't look like he's interested in the competitive scene compared to the past though
@coscove what argument are you trying to make? It's an agreed fact that online is inferior to lan, this isn't a smash specific issue. Less lag is always better but no lag will be the best, why do you think top players need the best equipment (less input latency, less monitor latency), It's all about trying to achieve as little latency as possible
the “heel Hbox” scene beginning at 42:20 is my favorite in this documentary. It shows how hbox was coping with his weak suits and how he was beginning to be hated for his playstyle, and how he overcame it
I fucking loved that docu by Travis. No prior knowledge about the scene, just popped up in my youtube feed someday almost ten years ago. What a great docu!
That was sad to see no one cheering for him when he turns around to a disappointed crowd shuffling out before he even unplugs his controller. Like damn, all those people showed up for him to lose, not for the other dude to win. (I could be wrong about that too, idk what was in their minds) Kinda messed up.
Tuned in for a success story. Left with a modern tragedy. Even though I’m not a huge fan of Melee and their community, I adore Hungrybox and genuinely hope others change their toxic ways
@56mdk The scariest thing about that is, when the mass public believes something, oftentimes that thing will eventually exist. He could have very well quit from all the hate, but he's stood his ground against his own community.
"And out of those few people, surely, no one cares enough about the outcome of a match to throw a raw crab at the winner.“ Oh boy, wait until you see Argentinean soccer fans.
I've gotten back into video games in the past couple years, mostly stopped at early 90s snes and played a couple PC games every several years. While I've found there to be quite a few good people in gaming/streaming, I've also found it to be one of the most cliquey, pretentious and outright least inclusive overall communities; particularly in competitive games and speedrunning. It's seemingly reflective of an entire millenial/genZ generation. Touted (even by themselves) as generations with more tolerance and compassion, they're really just gatekeepers wearing different clothing. I really hope it doesn't continue to play out in that manner, would be a shame.
I don't know how anyone could look at any of the "five gods", or players like Wizz or Plup or Axe or Wobbles, all doing their own thing and making it work, and think it's "bad" or "destroying the game" or not entertaining. We don't really want Melee to be a solved game already; perhaps ever. We want it to have this depth and this room for growth and refreshing new matchups.
I love the mentality implied by what Mango said about Jigglypuff pushing Fox - everyone is able to be what they've become, become their best, by grinding against each other like blades against sharpening stones. We needed Armada's insane Peach, Mango's sick Fox and Falco, M2K's cold and calculating Sheik and Marth, PPMD's precise Falco and Marth, the underdog Falcons like Wizz's, Axe's legendary Pikachu...we needed the number Juan's Jigglypuff. We need all the other outliers like Bizzarro's and Kage's Ganondorfs too! We can't truly appreciate Melee if we don't see what Melee has to offer, and we can't see what it has to offer if we don't let the unique and diverse players, who far exceed the game's own large cast of characters in diversity, push their playstyles to their limits.
Part of what makes Melee so appealing as a spectator sport, to someone like me who usually doesn't care for watching any sport, eSport or otherwise, is the massive tier list upsets that frequently occur, with the meta constantly shifting. Melee never gets old because the players always have more to explore, and throwing crabs at our exploration pioneers isn't nearly as fulfilling as reading stories about Jason dumping so much important data for the community, or Mango going back and forth between being a Buster and being a flashy champion, or our man Juan nailing the perfect Rest combos and off stage aerials.
Watched this video when it first came out. Now rewatching it after Mew2King starred in a Mario Maker 2 Versus video with Simpleflips. Small world, eh?
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If you like Go, you could do a Never Ever about any one of a number of very unique players. Yi ChangHo, Cho Chikun, but the best would be Honinbo Shusaku, or wait another decade when the little girl monstrosity Sumire Nakamura will be destroying the Old Guard entirely.
You want my Hungrybox story? When I went to a local in Florida a couple years ago, I asked him to take a picture with my friends and I, and he obliged for a moment. He got up and then sat back down, joking and saying "Wait you were serious? Oh man," well after we were about to leave. Regardless, I sat by him before he was about to play a game of Ultimate, and told him how much of an inspiration he was to me, that I rooted for him through thick and thin because I thought he was a kick ass dude.
No complaints. No bad things to say about him. Love that guy.
@Kasa Grim yeah it’s amazing how trough it all even the tours in Iraq and the hardship of living in a third world country this guy managed to stay humble smh 🤦🏻♂️
@OrionGabriel idk I imagine it's absolutely bonkers to live your life and then someone is asking for a picture with you. Like I get that hbox is a god of melee but that moment must have been no less than surreal
@Zac ATTack Let me get this straight. By your standards, literally no-one in any first-world country has any right to feel they have overcome something hard. Even when among others from the same area.
Accomplishment is not a competition. It's about overcoming something that is challenging to a particular person. Every single person in one of those war-torn countries have accomplished something by just getting by every day, but that does not mean HBox has not.
@Zac ATTack Yeah right. If it were about how much praise you would've compared it to something it can actually be compared to, like other pro gamers, and not people who fought in a war. Nah, your gripe is with him getting praise, not with "how much praise he got".
@Zac ATTack God forbid someone uses a very common saying like "been through it all". No one ever has been through it all, there is no contextual reason here to take that phrase literally and comparing it to those with objectively worse situations. You are making a unrelated point because you lack the self awareness of why you feel the way you do. Self reflect because only you can really find that answer.
The range of emotion that Hbox went through when losing the match at 1:19:38 is so touching. He went from offering congratulatory fist bump after his loss, to a feeling of discouragement after his opponent leaves him hanging to start celebrating, to overcoming that feeling and maintaining good sportsmanship by continuing to extend the congratulating fist bump, to melting away into humility and appreciation when his opponent goes in for the real thing and gives him a hug. Beautiful.
He turns the lost as a sign of learning and showing sportsmanship because really he was just like them before. The new guys that try to make it to the top
Man it's kinda amazing how every entry in the "never ever" series get's me hyped up and emotionally invested even though it's about a topic I never cared about at all before. EmpLemon is just really good at this. Btw much love to Hungrybox, the underappreciated gamer god.
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Random Character2020-02-02 15:26:59 (edited 2020-02-02 15:28:08 )
Check out summoning salt. He does similar vids to these about speedrunning. They're both really good about getting me invested in something I really don't care about lol.
Maryland native here. We are famous for having some of the best hardshell crabs to eat and by far the best crab cakes you can get on planet earth. That boy who threw the crab was a local for sure although his intent may never be fully known.
I main puff in smash Ultimate and my brother absolutely hates me for it. He always says I spam arial attacks, then he is complaining about the down tilt, then he says puff’s specials are too op and you can win just by spamming specials. Everything my brother says contradicts what he said previously. People will always find a reason to hate puff, just to have something to hate.
I only worry that now that you've posted this everyone will love him and he will have no adversity from the community, leading to him losing the drive to compete. :/
@PEPPA Chicken Being gay is a great insult my friend. If you call someone gay there is no way they could come back from that and they will live their lives in absolute stress, fear, and sorrow knowing they have been doomed by being called gay. Being gay is such a bad thing, and it should be used as an insult very often. You can’t be gay, so it’s a good insult. Also, you can’t be gay and say what my friend did. You can’t love who you love. It’s a terrible thing to love the same gender.
All jokes aside...really...? Calling someone gay..? How low have people gone down to..?
@PEPPA Chicken Copy almost all of my sentences from my last response, except for a few, and just replace the word gay with zoomer. I feel like I no longer have the will to live. x.x
I’ve had this video recommended so many times and I said I would watch it eventually. I did that today. I got goosebumps so many times watching this. To say this video was phenomenal is almost an insult. I can’t find words to say how great this was. Emp, You may not see this comment, but I hope you know deep down: this was a glorious masterpiece. Thank you for sharing this to the world
Ive watched this like 5 times and the part that really stuck out to me is when HBox says "Its tough for everyone. Its not easier for Puff or for Fox or for Falco. Its all hard. So just... get better". Its not only a good perspective to have on competitive Melee but for life in general. Life is hard for everyone and i think thats a healthy and mature perspective to have. I try to tell myself this every day now and i think it helps. Thanks for never giving up HBox and thanks for making top-tier youtube videos EMP.
This really stuck out for me too. Life’s hard and unfair most of the time, and really you can only push through and get better with dealing at the hardness of life. Good stuff Hbox
1:19:41 Look at him! He's genuinely so happy to beat one of the best players of Melee in the world! He literally gave Hungrybox a hug. If you looked at him, and you were in that position, wouldn't anyone feel the same way?
The thing that gets me about it is the look on HB's face. For a second it looks like IBDW'S not going to reciprocate the fist bump, and HB kinda looks like he's accepted that he's gonna be disrespected (as he so often is). Then dude goes for the hug and when he pulls away, you can tell HB's expression brightens a little. Maybe it's just my imagination, but either way, it's extremely wholesome.
Also sorry for the reply on your month-old comment. Lol.
Honestly very inspiring. Coming from someone who's not at all familiar with the competitive smash community but is aware of it's existence, the core message that really resonated with me is that one can't succeed without failing. Reflecting on your failures and then putting in the hard work in to overcome them is crucial for one's growth. Hbox even says it succinctly at the end. Thanks for the great video Emp.
@viggos channel ehh. It seemed annoying with an annoying community, then I watched it and loved it, then I realised the show had no replay quality and the community was just people who say the same jokes over and over and people who bully people who find them annoying. I only keep this name and pfp cause it attracts subs, and makes my old shitty jokes actually make sense
Imagine dedicating that much of your life to becoming best in the world to silence the naysayers, only to have them double down. Holy shit. HBox has the dedication of a saint.
@GorgeousFortress Asians aren't biologically better, it's just more common to have strong work ethic in Asian families, so hbox definitely has what it takes in that respect.
I never new about Hbox's era of losing because I didn't know about melee until a few years after he started dominating. Also, I grew up with brawl and love alot. Snake is the best character. There is no debate.
?? First of all meta knight is the best brawl character by a long shot he literally has his own tier for that very reason. And sadly hbox is loosing currently, he will probably pick up the prices and win soon though.
'.' he goes by PPMD now , man was hella talented, his take on shadow boxing as a tool for practice & how deep he goes into theorying tech chases(strings of 50/50 or otherwise variable choices by each player that can result in escaping or continuing a string of hits) still makes him very influencial too. He's to the player v player interactions what Mew2King was to the core functions of the game & had the talent to apply it against the best besides.
@Broadbull, Enabler of Uncounted Combos It's sad because the man could have done so much more, but he got his career cut short. Hopefully PP comes back eventually.
Hungrybox didn’t deserve this. Imagine being so determined to win, using the boos against you to give you confidence, and after you reach the top, there isn’t anyone to congratulate you.
@Jimathy Nutron it makes a bit more sense in the context of the video, which is the one that comes from the one on professional wrestling. It begins a trend that shows up frequently throughout the video. Basically it's a literary device.
Hungrybox is literally the Itachi of the Melee community, but the sad part is that the community know his struggles to be the best and still dislike him. That just shows how bad of a race the human race is.
I thought this was like 20 minutes long and then someone said “this dude making movies and releasing them for free” and I was like um whut u mean it’s like 20 minutes long then when I finished I was like WHAT THIS WAS 1 HOUR LONG WTF
Really makes me lose any respect for the melee community if they're truly salty about the top ranked player using Jiggly as his main. If you can rise to the top with any Melee character, you deserve it. I would argue that Fox is far cheaper than Jigglypuff if you're trying to make an argument like that. Funny how Fox is the dominant top tier character, yet nobody else can get to the top with Jigglypuff.
@4nt Tbh, as good as Ultimate is, it isn't quite like Melee. It's on par with it and a worthy competitive game but the way it's competitive is very different from Melee. The Never Ever series isn't about things which will never/have never been surpassed in quality, but in how unique they are. That said, this video still was a nice way to tie the two subjects together in a neat package.
HungryBox should of received so much more cheer and praise but instead crowds gave him hatred and negativity. So sad to see communities like this, but a truly Incredible achievement to persevere through all that shit! Amazing
Imagine being him, winning a tournament being hyped and happy and just seconds later being humiliated and even attacked from many people. Turning the feeling of success into the feeling of being hated. these audience guys are rude af.
@GordonB Man welcome to smash, specifically Melee. The most toxic FGC bar none. Amazing game, incredibly talented players, absolute neanderthal fans...
I remember seeing a video of that, randomly, and thinking "Holy crap this guy is full of himself. It's a kid's game and he mains Jigglypuff."
With context, it's an entirely different picture. It's a man who's spent a decade becoming the best he can be, and being mocked and ridiculed when he finally got to the top. It's a statement of disbelief, not of entitlement.
GreenStoneMusic You can really hear the hurt in his voice. I felt that just from watching a video, how can some people stand in that crowd and lack such empathy and understanding?
TheTrueHero basically they hate the best player in the world because he mains a slow character. They hate him enough to throw a crab at him and laugh at him when he asks for some credit after a decade of work. Pretty toxic if u ask me.
TheTrueHero Unlike other esports, they give people who don’t like a specific character still give the player credit and respect for their hard work ( unless their and A hole). They hate on H box because is the BEST, no one hates Faker, they just dislike him because he always wins, even people who disliked Zero had that opinion because he won non stop, and even with that they still respected him, I should know, I disliked Zero for his streak win, I still respected his grind, I just to see the end of his streak
@ssbmclover Plus the smash bros community tends to be very toxic in general (just look at the whole Byleth drama) There are good people in it Just they tend to have a lot of bad eggs
The smash community has more trash in it than it has decent people. It would be an improvement to EVO to simply not include any Smash in their line-up, but you can't deny that these people at least bring money to the event.
@OrionsVantage The leadership in the community stepped in as soon as they could and disciplined the person who threw the crab. The commentators were upset about it, a large portion of the community was not amused by it.
@shoobopper I just wanna point out that, in the clips I saw, the crowd actually cheered for him after that. The "Hungry-box! Hungry-box!" Chant is definitely audible, way more than any laughter
@Tiktai oh i'm sure the crowd wasn't wholly against hbox, rotten apple and all. but i was referring to the comments on the original video on the incident. when i checked the top comments were saying how he "deserved it" for his playstyle. with that being said there seems to be a new surge in support for hungrybox with this video
@Jimathy Nutron you have been replying to other comments, filling the reply section with your toxicity. like the statement in the video "just because it's different, doesn't mean it's easy". please just stop. just forget the absolute trash of a community that melee is, and just please go invest your time into something more worthwhile than trying to ridicule a player that has worked hard at improving at the game, and playing the game.
Because all of us are doing exactly what that , we can all play well nowadays but we know we haven’t mastered the game , I don’t think you can master it honestly
It hits different because thats what we all want for ourselves but he did it... He made his dream a reality REGARDLESS of what others said, which is the biggest struggle any human has to deal with.
Even more, he said those words after years of watching crowds quietly get up and exit the building after his win. His tireless effort in an uphill battle met by a cold shoulder.
Repent to Jesus Christ!! ““I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.” Matthew 10:16 NIV C
@Your Average Guy Wait... that's not normal? Damn, I guess I should've known there was a reason nobody else complains about having to check their pockets for crustaceans before washing their clothes...
I swear I was thinking about also publishing a comment like
"Normal people at 2 pm: working, meeting friends, etc Me at 2 pm: *crying over a person i never heard of, from a game i never played, due to a video from a channel i never heard of before"
The type of insults Hungrybox received is part of the reason the Smash community makes me sick, and no, I don't mean that in the cool way. In this community, I have seen fully grown adults throwing online fits more times than I can count over a video game. It literally looks like the Smash community (especially on Twitter) is living up to all of the awful stereotypes put on the world of gaming.
Yeah. Let's also not forget that they won't just shame people for using characters they don't like. Remember the drama surrounding Bocchi after she won a match nobody thought she would or could win? What about the fans who were so angry that Waluigi didn't make it that they took their anger out on Sakurai on Twitter in a potentially very scary way?
@Floofie kun Smash players, especially those outside of Melee, are mostly children and man-children. Infantile rage is expected of them. I would say, however, that the Byleth outrage was fairly justified. Yes, a bunch of characters people wanted got in, but Byleth was an utterly pointless inclusion exclusively there to promote the new Fire Emblem game and tap into the wallets of the strategy series' fans. It's the same reason Corrin was in Smash 4, and neither character makes sense as anything other than a business decision in my opinion. Since there is a limited number of DLC character slots available, and those slots are the only opportunity for characters new to the series to be introduced, each one has become an anticipated event. When that expectation is not only not met, but flipped on its head by an utterly disappointing choice, it's unsurprising that people would be disappointed. Factor in the misread signs about Dante and a widespread immature temperament/age, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
gibbdude yeah it was a bad decision on Nintendo’s part but the outrage was not justified. People threatened to kill sakurai over an FE character its fine to be disappointed or mad about but dont be rude to others because they have a different opinion
@AreYouOkay? When Melee got ducked from EVO, everyone was raging hard. I remember only Amsa, Axe and Armada having a positive view of it, in spite of being disapointed (obviously). What feels like everybody else; QUICK, grab the pitchforks and torches, 'cause we're gonna tell Mr. Wizard exactly how much we love him. Followed by a big fuck you.
Melee was the first game i had ever played, on my olldd nintendo gamecube, dont remember the year but probably 2006ish give or take 3 years, it is so nastolgic its not even funny
I'd like to say we should look past his short comings and not shit down his throat, but it's really hard to do that when he keeps doing it to everyone else. Just the kind of guy he is I guess.
@caleb williams well hes been actively streaming on twitch for quite a few months now when previously we would only get health updates from him every 6 months or so for about 3 years so thinks are looking good. Even if he isnt going to compete anymore hes become alot healthier over that time frame and its good to see PPMD doing good.
To make it even more ironic, I believe Dr. Pee Pee's condition is literally testosterone deficiency. Regardless, he seems like a great guy and nothing you'd expect from someone with that name.
@MLGAllan65 I didn't mean it's not good in any way, I meant it wasn't really an established pattern to ruin. If the chain went for like three or more replies interrupting it would be a cardinal sin, but at two I don't feel guilty.
@Marzipancutter I didn't understand a single thing you just said and i am getting mature vibes, despite the fact there is no way a normal kid could make that kind of comment.
NuclearDuck13 tell me what to call it then big boy, someone’s very concerned about how to define what genre this falls in.. incredible. Great response.
@trashman Maybe try treating Hbox a little better and our opinion of you guys will improve. And that shit you just did saying another community is worse? That shit don't work. Just ask Hillary. People don't like the lesser of 2 evils argument. Me included
Yea I don't really care about Hbox as a person cuz its just a video game I just dislike Melee Puff as a character (from a viewers perspective since the majority of ppl including me suck at melee.) Playing the slow methodical matchups are fun when ur playing it but watching it is painful
Repent to Jesus Christ!! ““I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.” Matthew 10:16 NIV C
It's supposed to make you laugh. If you watch the Smash Bros doc by Samox, PC Chris makes mention of how funny it was to hear, "And today's winner is Dr. Pee Pee!"
honestly, fate was pulling some strings to make all of the gods pick names that fit them perfectly. or they knew exactly what they were doing. Mango, always keeps things simple and positive Armada, really did cross an ocean to invade HungryBox, the most hungry for victory Mew2King, amasses knowledge, to become the king of anything. Dr. Pee Pee, Kevin, is a great mix of smart and funny. (u kno doctors are smart n all)
i scrolled down and read this comment RIGHT when he said that lol
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Neat and Clean2020-01-27 04:39:53 (edited 2020-01-27 04:48:22 )
Kevin originally called himself "Dr. Pee Pee" cuz he wasn't taking competing in Smash seriously but to appear more professional (and prolly cuz of the sponsorship from Evil Genius) he changed it to PPMD
because its fucking funny i literally had to pause the video bc i couldn't fucking listen to it without giggling his name is DR PEE PEE. Imagine being considered the best of the best in your field and you've cemented yourself with the name Doctor Pee Pee. Literally i wish i were him for the meme value alone
@Nozomu Itoshiki honestly, at the time Armada retired he was the GOAT but in terms of pure skill, Juan, having stayed on top for so long, is certainly worth considering for the spot. (Whatever the case, Armada and Hbox are in a league of their own.)
I'm just a robot2022-02-23 18:39:43 (edited 2022-02-23 19:19:49 )
how did I watch 30 minutes of this without getting bored? well done!
edit: I'm watching this at a rush, I just came back from school and I have a lot of homework and I have school again tomorrow morning, and i'm still entertained by this video after watching it for almost an hour, very impressive!
edit 2: one hour have passed, this is the longest I ever watched on one video at one sitting (+ rush bonus) you deserve as much love and populaxity as Mat Pat, Hats down.
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I'm just a robot2022-02-23 19:07:11 (edited 2022-02-23 19:07:18 )
Main one character on all those years,while the best had to use a counter as a second main to defeat him. So yea that says alot about his skills and how everyone looked at puff as a low tier character at the beginning.
"Now...there's only Juan" 1:01:40 Watching him turn around to face the exiting crowd, tried putting myself in his mindset for a moment and immediately started feeling the walls around me closing in
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Nick Brady2020-01-28 05:07:49 (edited 2020-01-28 05:09:12 )
Such a surreal yet depressing feeling. Finally, after defying all odds, you’ve become the best only to have the cheering crowd behind you disperse in disappointment and bitterness. Both Hungrybox AND melee deserve better for their achievements.
Funny enough, that toxic relationship gave Hungrybox the drive and the work ethic that turned him into the best in the entire world. It could be argued that Hbox might not have achieved what he has and gotten where he is if that "You'll never be the best" attitude hadn't been present.
Without Hungrybox as 'Puff, Fox wouldn't have his greatest rival. Eventually H-Box will either retire or lose, once a player can figure out how to cancel the ledge grabs and rest meteor's but I think he'll figure out a new strat after and the game will just keep evolving. That just shows how awesome melee is, because even after 20+ years later, players that have ALREADY mastered the game will continue finding new mechanics to this game. I'm still waiting on a Pichu player that can dominate the meta, most likely will never happen but it'll be interesting if it does.
Imagine being so mad at someone who is way better than you at a children's party game that you bring a raw crab to throw it at them quite miserable if you ask me
The fact it was a crab made it funny af. If it was a rotten tomato or something it would be a different story, but the fact it was a crab was just so legendary
how ironic that after being the 'unpopular kid' for years and years, he now has the biggest following and average viewer count of any melee player on twitch by a large margin, and his chat is filled with adoring, supportive fans. it's like he has become the star while everyone else became less relevant.
Everyone except mango, mango is framed as the anti-hero in this because it highlights h-boxes (deserved) triumph but in reality you can show that mango's narrative is just as heroic. Mango is the GOAT and no it isnt just 'sickness'.
@The One CP11 What about it? Talking about horrible stuff someone did 5 years ago is relevant when talking about stuff that happened 5 years ago. I don't know or particularly care what Mango is doing right now, since I don't think he's doing smash.
@Thermophile yes of course, but it shows how out of touch you are with the melee scene, not only does mango play smash all the time, he is in contention for regaining the number 1 rank. You'd be surprised at how he's changed, i can't think of anyone who still has a legitimate problem with him.
@Niema Ano i don't know, this stuff happened over a decade ago, but like i said hbox and mango are on good terms, so I'd imagine something like that happened.
@Thermophile Mango is literally the best Melee player in the world right now. He's probably the GOAT. And him and Hbox are on good, if not very good terms. Stop hating.
@JakeFromStateFarm there's plenty of other players with a great story. Armada was the european underdog that sacrificed everything just to even have a chance to compete and became the best player in melee history. Mew2king is autistic and spent hundreds of hours discovering the game stats, hitboxes and hurtboxes alone in his room. Mango is the ultimate prodigy and he's done several of the sickest plays ever (he even made jigglypuff sick) PPMD was competing at the highest level while fighting against depression and a condition that affected his memory and motor functions. Leffen is the ultimate underdog, he was banned from commpeting by the community and by his friend and mentor Armada and came back the next year stronger than ever to become the god slayer. Zain and Plup still have their story to write but it's looking real good.
and chillindude is like the piccolo or tien of the smash world, as the coolest side character in melee history.
I don’t think people even know who mango is. I don’t think they care to either considering how little impact he has on anything FGC related these days.
i am beyond words..this man is a goat in this industry yet he is ridiculed as a very confident player..i never ever played video games but i know excellence when i see one..he has the determination like michael jordan getting cut from the high school team..he is telling the world and god rest in soul his pops that he can be the greats and will prove the world..i now have the utmost respect for this man and his preseverence.
It’s a highly risky highly rewarding big move that can kill early or get you killed early that allows for hype moments and unexpected comebacks, one of the hypest game mechanics from a spectator standpoint
Tobias Moodias ah yes well if you let yourself get centered by the literal pixels of hitbox rest has you deserve to get flung off the screen. doesn't kill at any percent either. can't do it at 0 for sure
Maybe when you suck at the game and can only hit it once out of every 10 tries. When you can up throw someone at zero and literally get a free stock if they fuck up their DI, shit is not sick at all.
@Jackal’s Cry Imo it's got to be more stressful than hype from a player perspective, but melee is a really self expressive game and how people play around such a polarizing option definitely shows a lot of expression in it's own right.
Thanks yt algorithm for this gem. But what dooes this toxic smash community want? Permanent fox vs fox matchups in tournaments? Maybe an occasional Falco? How insanely boring would that be man. Im much rather watching a grand final between two characters that arent pretty much the same. Hbox die not and will not kill melee, he changed it and made the tournaments more diverse in terms of characters. I always loved watching his Puff play out ❤
People like Leffen because he's rude and arrogant, this guy plays a villian character on the highest level, he's likeable in the way you like a disney villian.
@Levii Sure, but Disney villains are all fake, and William "Leffen" Hjelte is a real human. For me it's difficult to grasp the fact that people like such a person who acts like that in real life.
@Bennybeebop The thing is you don't know him a real human, you know him as a famous smash player. You don't have to hang out with him you watch him perform on a stage. Is he a nice guy in person? who knows, doesn't matter to me anyways since that's not the relationship i have to this guy i never met. I like Leffen because he plays a sick fox and his personality caused some of the hypest moments in smash to happen. Sure you should have some level of respect to your opponent but if nobody talks shit there woldn't be hype rivalries. Imagine grudge matches like Leffen vs Salem or the infamous my B match, even when you want to see Leffen loose he was the reason they were so hype.
@Levii I agree, actually. He and others are a part of why the competitive scene thrives yet today. Obligatory "sick fox" joke aside, he is very entertaining to watch. I guess what I'm trying to convey is it's difficult to express your true character if people only see you and how you act on a stage under a different name, especially through a screen rather than up close and personal. He just acts like that in the community so frequently that people just think of him that way.
I always saw Hbox’s arrogance as proving he’s the best. Not as ignorant and trying to put people down to get up.
But Leffen’s just pure, unadulterated ass. He’s basically the embodiment of why my Ultimate friends hate Melee: elitist, unwelcoming, unwilling to adapt, and rude.
@gameandflogchannel I don't know, I was hyped by hungry box more. The hate he receives reminds me of my own rift days, and from being top healer in pvp of rift, I can say the hate-fueled me. I put on a good villain, and I learned it from rift. See, I mained a healer, which if you've ever played a mmo of any merit, you'll know why healers get hate. My job is by definition to slow the game down for the enemy and stop them from getting kills, and in my prime 15 people couldn't out dps my heals because of just how good I was. So the hate I got for just existing reminds me a lot of what hungry box went through. I'd login and have about fifteen minutes' worth of hate and death messages before I ever said or did anything. At the time I was like 15-17 during my prime, and would often act out as a response. When you get that much hate constantly by your peers to the point that just existing gets you hate, it does strain you. And for me, it caused me to go full-blown ass. I went from a guy willing to devote large chunks of my time to helping people, to a guy that laughs at people for even asking me. Hate made me a better player, but also made me a lot more jaded and cold, less willing to become friends with people, less willing to help people. And it wasn't until I quit rift, and had a chance to play different games were people appreciated my skills, and me as a player I realized just how toxic of a situation it can be. And to this day, I never want even local fame. I'm much happier just being able to enjoy games. I respect Hbox so much because he is able to deal with much, MUCH more hate then I did (At it's prime rift had maybe a million players divided into EU and NA) and able to make a career out of it. But I would never wish to be back in a position anywhere near that. Being the best at anything SUCKS. Cheers Hbox you glorious bastard.
Leffen was probably hated more than any player in melee history for a little bit because of the shit he pulled on Scar. And people started to cheer for him as the “Godslayer” because people were hyped to see someone taking down the 5 gods. They he really took the community’s heart by completely going all out again Salem was Salem was talking shit about the melee community, and Leffen was the front runner in defending the community. Now leffen is liked and loved by many, even though he still says a lot of controversial things. And also because he’s on TSM
@Brendan Wang I mean from what I've seen of the community and the unfair and absolutely cruel treatment of hbox, I can't say I blame anyone for shit talking the community. Kinda bringing it on yourselves.
Leffen comes across as if he's an unlikeable asshole on and off stream/stage. Hbox comes across as someone who's playing into the villain because that's the hand he was dealt but actually has a good heart.
Levii This still doesn’t explain the communities hypocritical reaction difference between Hbox and Leffen. Everything you said can be said about Hbox too. Yet he has definitely gotten more hate.
4:06 Listen to that "There it is!" guy - I had to rewind because I couldn't believe I heard such tism. He literally just starts making noises that sound like what the other host is saying. Guess they weren't hiring him based on his qualifications.
Me at the beginning of the video: calm down dude it’s just a crab geez Me at the end of the video: HUNGRYBOX WORKED TOO DAMN HARD TO BE TREATED WITH SUCH DISRESPECT LIKE THAT I HOPE WHOEVER THREW THAT CRAB BURNS IN HELL
@Gabe Lipsitz i have been told that it was alive.. I thought that it was cooked too but I have been told otherwise so I guess they are right since they are the majority?
Id imagine youd be some kind of depressed or cut off from the world to be so commited that you sneak a crab into the tournament and throw it at the winner, let alone the winner of a match you werent even playing LoL
@Michael Shultz the town the place was held is famous for their type of crab and someone was selling them out the back of their car so when the guy saw mang0 lost to hbox he starting malding
I saw the EVO 2016 final just because... Never followed the game competitive scene. I just saw it because it was on and I was interested on the Tekken tournament. Now I know that i wittnessed history!!!
Even if Items were allowed that kid clapped a world champion, people getting salty over it and trying to take merit from the feat just make it even better lol
From an outsiders perspective who isn't a competitive gamer or Melee player, Hungrybox looks to me like the José Mourinho at Internazionale of Melee lol. He plays that catenaccio counter strategy that everyone hates to play against, hates to watch because it's not very entertaining, and most certainly hates to see win because you're inclined to root for anyone who has to go up against that xD Somebody has to be the vllain because every great villain is the hero of his own story. History ultimately decides the winner and thus who was the real villan and the real hero. The real villain in this story was the Melee community xD
I think he's always had more fans out there, but they weren't brave enough to cheer in the face of a crowd where it was the "popular" to dislike him. Classic case of the lemming syndrome.
In any other sport this would be the story for the good guy, the fan favorite. Then I remembered the competitive video game community is made up of poorly socialized, ill mannered, and know it all, validation craving semi-NEETS who take a term like "sick" to show how cool they think a character is and then act like it has some real world meaning where "non sick" characters & humans who use them should be shunned, forgetting "sick/nonsick characters" aren't actually a real thing...they made it up. Hating on a player who uses a character you can't stomach because it's pink and floats is hilariously pathetic.
If I had to make a caricature of what a homophobic 3rd grader sounds like I would pick something like "eww that character is pink and a floaty ball with a ribbon. That's such a gay looking character, its the worse". Somehow the average competitive hardcore Smash Player is an adult male who unironically does believe something like that and then even worse thinks they're part of the cool or even the cringier named "sick" group for doing so. Once HungryBox retires he's just going to go back to being an engineer getting paid a yearly salary worth the prize money for winning multiple EVOs at the same time. He can give up Smash tomorrow and his quality of life and financial situation would probably actually improve. That probably drives the people mad, who gave up on everything school/work/relationships/family related just to dedicate to Smash, knowing that its not even sustainable past their 30s.
Maybe "Smash doesn't need HBox" was never the reason they hated him. Maybe this whole time it was really because "HBox literally doesn't need Smash & yet he's still better than everyone who does".
So... you took a game i don't care anymore, and talk about a player i don't even know before this... and make me watch a whole 1 hour and a half... you did a well done job, my friend
Throwing a raw crab at a guy just cause he won a game and celebrated,man that was pretty harsh,it wasn t contestant s fault,it was fault of that immature guy who threw crab.We gamers deserve respect not that bullshit!
I cant believe this video is already two years old
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Aries The Ram2020-03-19 05:42:11 (edited 2020-03-24 08:09:43 )
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@Tom Hill There's the people who just watched this video and think he's a pretty cool guy based on the evidence of this video they just watched, and there's all the players and fans who have met him over the years and dislike him. I wonder who to believe.
@Le Bulge yes the fans who all have it seared onto their brain to hate someone for how they play a video game or a passive viewer with little bias who has never harassed the man at the most stressful part of his day. I WoNdEr WhO tO bElIeVe?
Justin Reuter it has nothing to do with the video game. It’s his personality and how he treats people. He has a well documented history of being rude to other players and fans, including his own. He has admitted to this and has been trying to change, to his credit. (e.g. at apex 2014 when one of his fans came up to him after he lost to leffen and he told the fan to fuck off) His behavior has improved since then, but when you treat people like that for years, that’s why a community of people doesn’t like you.
@Le Bulge mayhaps his was a little mean to people in the past, but keep in mind how the community treated him and the stress he dealt with at events. Plenty of other competitive players are on edge and emotional at tournaments, so he is far from the only one to act that way.
Justin Reuter this, plus the fact those rude encounters were in what, 2014? And you admitted he was getting better. It’s hard to improve when no one gives you a second chance.
@Le Bulge Is that Apex situation the worst thing you can think of? Because that doesn't sound like someone being a dick, that sounds like someone who just lost a tournament and was still feeling salty about it.
@Le Bulge 100% of the people I've met who claim to dislike Hungrybox because of his "personality" also idolise Leffen. I wonder how good their thought process really is.
@Heimskr, Prophet of Talos "was" So he's not an asshole right now, and you're obviously biased but let's say that holds up, then you don't believe in a person changing even thou he has clearly changed not only in the way he plays but also in how he goes about the community, so then you admit he's changing but still hold him accountable for stuff he did years ago? So no bias still?
@Camkitsune That's just the example that hungrybox himself gave of a time that he was mean to his own fans. There are endless stories of unpleasant interactions that people have had with him in the scene, such him being creepy towards girls and being hostile to other puff mains. Also, how is saying "fuck you" to your own fan not being a dick? It doesn't matter if you've just lost, everybody except 1 person loses at every tournament, no one else acts like that.
@Le Bulge you say no one else does it like that's a fact. plenty of people, too players in particular, have acted like that at tournaments. That doesn't make them bad people. Hbox happens to be a pretty emotional player. Don't act like you'd be alright with little timmy getting all up in your face after you were just heckled and stressed beyond belief.
@Le Bulge ZeRo Leffen ESAM Marss Tweek and many others have been salty and had angry outbursts during tournaments. HBox happens to have been somewhat bad with them in his past, due to how emotional he is/was. He's not a bad person, just has issues to overcome. The other stuff is old hearsay
@Le Bulge I remember hearing something small about that years ago but apparently it's pretty serious even now, I'd like to know all the evidence and inducements that are so career ruining recently
@Le Bulge but that's not the point, It's because he has always been treated like crap his whole career. He is shaking the world of melee, like Trump in the White House, and people are dening inevitable change in culture. The melee community will die, I just hope it's not because they hate Hbox so much.
@Ephlaght Watched the whole thing, I like emp, but this was some bad framing on his end. It paints hbox like there isnt a reason to dislike his puff, hes boring compared to other players. Dont get me wrong, the dudes neurtal is beyond fucking perfect, almost impossible to beat and thats admirable, but that doesnt make me want to watch the guy. Plus Ive personally had some not so great interactions with him. But, people have good and bad days, noones perfect all the time.
@Tindalo meeting him once as some random in the context of a tournament or watching leffen's video doesn't count as experience. Most people that hate him are not really around him outside of tournaments.
Claudius Ptolemy Tbh, I’d also like to think a lot of his rudeness is his stage persona. That was mentioned in the video- he knew he was seen as the villain in the smash community and embraced it. You can’t have a good story without an antagonist, and it sure as hell did pay off for the smash community in the end.
It really is a story as I see it. I think all these people have their characters they represent and portray. Mango represents that underdog, cocky go-getter, for example, as hungrybox represents the villain that wants to get to the top. His presence as a bad guy I think got to people. It’s been said he’s an asshole, but when an entire community looks upon someone as evil past their stage presence because of their stage presence, I think some bias gets mixed into people’s heads.
And yeah, he might’ve been an asshole way back when, but that was the past. He had a rough childhood, to be fair. That doesn’t excuse it but, something to consider. And, anyways, chances are the only proof we have of this is a handful of people from twitter saying something about it. I’d like to think he’s a good person deep down, really. He struggles with emotions but, I’m gonna firmly believe that hungrybox is a good guy with good intentions, who plays a villain in the community of a 19 year old game. And that villain status leaked into his real life, which gave him a status he never really deserved.
@Tindalo Well that's fair I suppose but if you want to see more captain Falcon the only real way to make that happen is to put up bounties for winning as falcon. You can't expect hungrybox to lose instead of playing his best character. Besides. I hate Fox...why? He's super common. He got boring. Puff is a nice change of pace.
The fact that HungryBox mained Jigglypuff. Lots of respect there.
Later Edit: I appreciate the fact that this older game is still being played. There are so many other games that could have a huge winning streak, but die out. i thought this documentary was amazing! I always saw Game history being so cool, because the little information that could exist, would be one of the most interesting. Thank you so much for the great information I learned in a well spent hour and thirty minutes.
Common youtuber: "10 minutes vid about mostly nothing to appease algorithm" Mad lad Lemon: Movie length feature about one of the best smash players in history That's work of art
Imagine, You enter a Tournament with the User name "Dr. Pee Pee" as a joke, and then that Joke name sticks with you because you became one of the Top player in the game
NightxKillaT_T the competitive audience community is like that, what I got is the issue was more that jiggly puff was neither fun to watch nor to play against. It was all dodge then one hit so neither the opponents or the audience could actually enjoy a show, tf2 suffers from a similar issue in control points comp because it is the worst game type we have, yet it’s still one of the most popular competitive leagues for some reason.
Forgotten Syrup That’s just like, you’re opinion man. No, but honestly, as a Samus main I feel that. I love playing Samus, but I can never get a match in with any of my friends. I mean, I’m good AND don’t spam, but I’m not so good that I 3 stock them every time or anything like that, yet my friends all still don’t like playing against me for more than a match because they get bored.
@Kelvin Cheng The smash community is amazing and I've met some of the greatest guys going to locals and playing friendlies at people's houses. Maybe the reddit group makes the rest of us look bad, but isn't that what reddit does for everything? But yeah, I live in Orlando, Florida and he's definitely not a role model type of guy. I enjoyed the video but I believe the author was stretching at the end and came to the wrong conclusion. The evidence was all there--he just emphasized certain points over others. He states that this community is the only one to loathe our best player. Maybe this is true and maybe it isn't, but let's assume it is true. Would this be the fault of the entire community in all 50 states + international players or 1 single person? Kind've seems implausible to assume the majority of the community's hate stems from a boring play-style rather than the personality and actions of Hbox. Anyone who doesn't respect his dedication and skill are delusional, but living in his home town and seeing his attitude up close, it's hard to respect his personality.
@Nathan Houser Yes because the melee community is the least mature. The game is horribly broken, that puts most people off playing it at a higher level. It's controls, needlessly obtuse. Puts more people off. This distills you down to the worst elements of competitive gaming. This bleeds over into the fans. I know decent people that love melee too but that game begs for a shitbird scene and it got it.
Nobody else lets their "gods" skip pools. The rest of the FGC calls people godlike... and just hopes some nobody bodies them in pools. They make their top players earn it every time, and face the endurance challenge that any newcomer will have to go through.
Marvel 2 players used to think they had the douchebag scene figured out... turns out they had no idea how far it could go. Why settle for just broken and buggy when you can shrink the community further with controls so bad, people say with a straight face that the gamecube controller is the ideal platform.
I'm not trying to hate on you personally or everyone that plays melee, but the nature of this game, and some crap decisions by the TOs over the years have made this game a haven for obsessive brats.
@G D I'm glad I typed that whole essay for you, you copypasted it, and still somehow can't read it.
Melee is needlessly obtuse. Lots of games have bugs and exploits worked into their competitive scene. The issue is that the floor to just play melees fundamentals is needlessly high because even those are predicated on these bugs and shackled by the poor control scene.
This shrinks the number of people who are going to stick around. Protects the top players from a heavy influx of new talent.
Lots of things are hard. The guitar isn't "needlessly obtuse" the depth of what you can do with a guitar is provided by the properties that make it difficult. There's currently no other ways to provide that depth. Melee's mechanics and strategies are in other games with far more reliable and precise controls at a lower barrier to entry.
And this is a scene that doesn't make its "gods" play through pools. Gotta protect the best players from the fatigue of having to play all damn day...
@G D It doesn't dictate the maturity of individuals in the scene. It does influence the general maturity of the scene as a whole.
If you think what the game is, and what it requires to participate in has NO effect on the maturity of the scene you're being naive.
And I'm not talking about some narrow version of maturity with things like being polite and not laughing if someone says fart... I'm talking about the reckless entitlement that is hating people for evolving the competitive scene(hating hungrybox) protecting your gods from pools(this is the scenes worst offense in the FGC) and being unable to see the flaws in the game without feeling personally attacked... ehem.
@G D It is coddling. If you want to have an invitational tournament do it. But these "gods" skipping pools and then playing exhausted lower level players in top 32/16 with their hands and brains fresh is definitely coddling. Certainly these players aren't heavily reliant on the coddling... but it's competitive malpractice.
It being a nintendo game, specifically a gamecube game, certainly is another factor. But Melee is hype, and got enough of a scene and attention that it would have grown out of it's limited cultural spectrum if the effort to depth ratio wasn't such garbage.
Everyone I personally know in the FGC respects the work it takes to be good at melee, and they respect the competitive scene. And that "nintendo" stigma definitely made that take longer than it should have. And we've all spent a bit of time exploring playing the game competitively. But like so many people we're faced with a choice.
Do you play 1 to 3 fighting games who's depth is not obscured behind terrible controls and code being pushed waaaay beyond it's original design? Or do you get passable at melee... When we were having these conversations years ago it was a bit more of a valid question. But melees gates kept the scene small, and now that it's top players are dying of arthritis or moving on to other games they have no fresh blood to keep it strong.
Again you keep repeating that "i know people that are not immature doofs" yes I've acknowledged that... my point is the nature of the game, and the way the scene has been handled, keeps your community smaller, high barrier to entry, low reward for the work. So you get distilled down to a hyperdedicated core... that will have very little fresh input to challenge any of it's worst aspects.
I'm not saying people that play melee are asshats. I'm saying melee as a game is asshat catnip. That's not the communities fault... except for the god coddling thing but that's more of icing on the cake of melees garbage controls.
@K R reading comprehension problem my dude. It's not salt. It's an understanding of the cost of getting good at any given game.
Call when melee catches up to ST, 3s or marvel 2 on ridiculous longevity man. I respect the scene but you got that sheltered life if you think it's the greatest of the greatest in that regard.
It's a matter of expanding the scene there are great melee players that also play well at other games. The time sink just is so uneven for melee and the payoff just not worth it to keep enough fresh blood coming into the game. As soon as a competently designed new smash came out melee you can hang it up on the scene growing.
I'm not gonna type ALL this shit again for you to not read it. Yes melee suffers from lack of support. It suffers from launching with a narrow gamecube scene. It suffers from early snubbing by the FGC at large... but it outgrew all of that... It can't outgrow it's disproportionate ask of time investment just to get to the skill floor. For people that are willing to do it great.
Melee is hype, have your scene... but like try not to whine when someone is calling out the fundamental issues that kept that scene a lot smaller than it could have been and they aren't included in your accepted list.
Miss me with the callout. I didn't get on here and claim to be hotshit at all the games. I came here to point out melees scene problems are predicated on the game itself, and to a lesser extent the organizers.
And I'm not gonna pay for MK until they start paying their animators... cause clearly that's not happening. DBZF is cool though, haven't played since launch and never really got on the grind for it.
@G D Smash 5 goes a long way to giving the genre a long term scene. Because players don't have to make a career out of getting the character to do simple spacing, the scene can branch out and start developing depth. Now that may not hold up. Marvel 3 ended up being more broken and stale than Marvel 2, we all thought we knew what broke was....
Yes I understand that the melee community doesn't care about pools... and that's the issue. You should care if you want the competitive pipeline to flow more freely. There's no doubting melees gods are hotshit... but the rest of the FGC doesn't let you keep the crown, you gotta earn it every time you step up. Prove you can beat all the new strats, all the new cheeses. I can't help but think melee would have had a lot more hungry boxes challenging the meta if every up and comer didn't slam into a fresh Armada or Mango after tearing their hands up trying to wavedash and multishine through their pools. It certainly would have made people respect innovating enough to maybe not throw a crab at a dude who busted his ass to win evo while working a fulltime job.
Other fighting games have people putting just as much time into them... they just spend more of that time developing the meta and strats instead of fighting with the controller. I'm not telling you not to like what you like. And I've got friends that barely touched melee that respect the hell out of the scene even though we're more 3s/Tekken kids.
But melee never needed to be such a nightmare in fighting with the controls and input parsing. This is a flaw of the game and everything you love about it would have spent more time happening across a bigger scene were that problem solved.
Someone pointed out once that all the fox mains, who can practice tech skills in tutorial mode for hours and get better, get really upset about a character like puff, that needs insane match up knowledge but significantly less tech skill. Hos be mad cus Juan has more experience lul.
@Von Hatred I feel that. I main Banjo and people hate how they move and that you have to worry about side b, and then you land one or two in a game because of a read or to punish another laggy move and they scream that you're spamming.
One of the best starts at a national level Declined due to the foundation of competition changing Rebounded with a close friend who doubled as a coach Loathed for their racing/playstyle Vocal about the upper management (NASCAR/Nintendo involvement in the scene) Known more for their competition moniker more than the everyday person Proven record that is often dismissed Accused of ruining the sport/game due to their far cry approach
If Earnhardt were still alive, I'd love to see both him and Juan sit down for an episode of the Gap to discuss their struggles and triumph as villains of their respective craft
I never had a problem with ernheart, what controversy with him are you talking about? Me and my grandma thought he was a good person and we rooted for him till he died, really just because we liked his personality, he just happened to be one of the best, sorry for the long message, I just want to know what controversies because grandma said she can't think of any, but she does not judge people by rumors or word of others but the things we see them say, so what happened, again sorry for the long message
drobin son Emperorlemon also did a whole video about him that’s why he made this comment. He raced aggressively and got to be one of the best at the cost of becoming an antagonist to everyone else.
7:14 bullshit! the biggest difference to other fighters is not the health system but the controls, how can you not see that?! very easy to understand, hard to master, that is what it is about, not the damn health. even a child can learn any attack a smash character can do, what other fighting game can you say this about?
Wow that’s exactly what he said, literally congrats you just called him an idiot and restated what he said. The health system also plays a huge part, that’s why it’s hard to master, as a platform fighter.
Edit: If smash had a regular health system, it wouldn’t be nearly as interesting. No edge guards, people wouldn’t combo the same because they would be focused on damage output, etc.
Edit 2: your also mistaken. Many moves in melee have ridiculously hard execution, wavedashing, samus’ extender, etc.
Emp made me watch wrestling to the point i want to be a wrestler when i grow up. Literally every single topic he talks about makes you interested.
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Every episode of Never Ever is an absolute masterpiece and criminally underrated. Nobody I've recommended these videos to has ever watched a single one of them
there will Never Ever be another Melee player like sandstorm (he was the best player of all time in brawlhalla a game with around 50 million players somewhat compared but ultimately different from smash games, his style of gameplay and overall domination for 3 years earned him to be the best player so sad he's gone now pls do video on him.
Watching this makes me so angry. I think I'm hot shit, but I can at least admit there's no way I could deal with what Hbox dealt with. Literal jeering and violence at every last corner, not even freed in the safety of his own home, and it doesn't stop there. All this over a videogame. I just wanna give Hbox a hug for all the fire he has endured.
Yeah, i take pride in "play lame win game" and abusing my opponent's lack of patience and want for flashiness, and as much as i wish i was good enough to play the asshole heel in the big stage, i'm not sure i'd tolerate the downplay HBox suffered.
But man, people saying you're "killing" a game because you win too much?I'd love that. It's such an easy thing to spin into a heel promo. Take a copy of the game to the stage and stomp on it before grand finals, completely own that idea, you'd be the ultimate villain.
Yea, luckily Hbox has been doing well in the community rn. With his youtube channel and him playing smash ultimate, it seems like ppl rly like him and look up to him as a content creator now. Which is a good turnaround from the hardships he endured
Mostly it’s all an act, a performance in itself. People pick and choose who to root for, and some are very passionate, but most Smash players are cool.
Man, I'm ashamed to admit that I was one of the people rooting for Melee to fail once SSBU came out. Now that I can appreciate melee for what it is I see how childish I was. Both games can co exist and I hope Melee never dies.
its nice to see how someone who puts time and care into their informative content can change the minds of many. and its great to see youre an open minded person willing to accept your mistakes
@Chad Kirk My comment was about how I learned to mature and respect people playing things I don't like because they still have merit. The video was about how the hate for Hungrybox in the Melee community is the same hate the Smash community has for Melee and the fighting game community has for Smash. I've grown past wanting Melee to die even though I dislike it because other people do like it. The Melee fanbase being so elitist is why it's hated, and what will ultimately lead to its demise as fewer and fewer people come to defend it. Going around telling other people their games are trash is not helping Melee's case and is contrary to both my own comment and the video itself. Ultimate Online is still unplayable though
Same here, but I got into ultimate want to understand the community. So I look into melee and got absorbed into it. It's not my kind of game but by golly i see too it that it's doesn't die if I have to.
Hope is an accurate word; Melee will die, but Brawl and Super smash will die too- hell, Ultimate will die at some point.
If Brawl had succeeded in drawing the comp. community, Melee would've died years ago, but because of the way it has, this has happened.
Melee will likely see at least some prolificancy (word I just made up) going into the 2030's, stagnate heavily into the 2040's and onward when most original players are old and decrepit, and finally die sometime a decade or so after, due to it not being able to draw in enough newer players.
Who knows? It might just stick around for even longer, this is just speculation, but it's going to die eventually, and that's the sad reality of being the fan of any community long-term.
Funnily enough the only character in Smash Melee that I can play is Peach. By far the easiest moveset to figure out as a beginner and it's a relatively strong character as well.
I kind of feel bad for people who like Fox and Falco. They really have to do a lot more work. Also Armada has a ton of really helpful stuff for Peach.
Sadly I don't play Melee. I've only really tried it for a couple hours because I don't have a proper controller. I'm playing on a PS3 controller so certain mechanical skills like wavedash and L-cancel are literal cancer and so inconsistent to do that it's not even worth practicing them. Maybe I'll start playing Melee more seriously in the future assuming the scene doesn't die anytime soon :P
Hungrybox the world isn't ready for you, and don't even deserve you... You really are a legend, a true legend. Even some genious in history were hunted by their contributions to the world, sometimes to face a difficult reality it is very very hard for most part of the people out there, but keep facing them, you have proven to be the best! There's no luck in doing what you did, if it was easy to do it, so many others could reach you with puff, and yet no one did, even with faster and stronger characters no one surpress your will to be even greater than you already are! It seems some people have forgotten that in a fight game, even if not into a tradicional one, strategy is one of the most important things, and persistence and constant training and facing new challenges and getting better and better is your only way to make it to the top, is not because puff isn't the most mechanicaly complex, that it is easy to play, or don't requiers ability, it's the oppposite... When you have to face the entire world, with some "weak" "slow" character, that's the real challenge... After all in other kinds of games, you can set the difficult mode to the most hardcore, and you will see that your character will be nerfed and the bosses will be stronger and harder, faster etc... The hardcore is to overcome every challenge and everyone with the most underpower character, and you did it... Playing with puff might not be visually appealing, but so what, you've made the impossible so many times. Keep your awesome work! Don't let them to forget that being the best player is not the same that using the "best character", if they don't like puff they should only admire how you were able to go so far with it.
not a gaming guy, so feel free to tell me why. But why are tens of thousands watching these two elite players sitting on crappy conference room chairs playing on a crt tv balanced on a little table? to keep it og? surely they could make it a way cooler setup?
In present day hungry is now the only surviving old gods and the new gods are like the titans or something like wow lol. Just sounds cool, the one they call the box of hunger…he….it….is the last remaining of the old gods in the before times.
I knew about Smash bros, I was playing Super Smash bros Ultimate but when this video came out the first day I watched it. It was inspiring and now I'm a very big Super Smash bros Melee fan!
I actually sat there and watched an hour and a half documentary about a guy from a community I barely even knew existed, based around a game that I played for a couple of years as a kid... damn. Impressive work.
Why did mango dedicate his life to smash with nothing to fall back on, when these dudes are maybe making like 600-1000 dollars every couple of months from these tournaments. At least the one dude has an engineering degree
@1stIParkMyCar because sometimes you gotta take a stab at doing something you love. Mango said if he didn't make it in smash he'd probably be working in a 7/11 with Joey lol.
Me, who plays Joker in Ultimate, an extension of myself that has an extension of themselves through their Persona, which is themselves in essence: I'm uh, the Thou that art I, that is the Thou of Them, that is also I?
You guys know shaman is just desperately trying to advertise their channel right? By seeing it, he clearly doesn’t like fighting games, which is a matter of taste, but I do see that he is stereotyping which can be very insulting. So all of you, relax and enjoy this great video Emp made.
I'll agree for everyone you mention except Tom Brady. Reason being, he has publicly admitted to cheating and still gets to keep all his records and will still be admitted to the hall of fame. Had he never cheated, I would not have disdain for him. Let's see what he continues to do in Tampa, this is a chance to redeem his credibility, but I still feel none of his records should stand. Pete Rose gambled and lost out on hall of fame and records. Ben Johson got caught cheating and lost his world record run.
I want to know how many times he had to record him saying Dr. PeePee without laughing. He sounds like a very mature adult but like, I am too and wouldn’t want to have to say Dr. PeePee at all.
You need to be getting bigger. You need to be putting on mass. You need to be snacking constantly. Raw whole milk, raw eggs, Greek yogurt, ice cream, cottage cheese, honey, oats, carpaccio and charcuterie and cheese. You need to be huge
It’s actually wild how delusional gamers are lmao. Like obviously not all of us, but the ones who post corny memes about how gaming is some unique thing only those special enough can understand. Wether it’s console war nonesense or harassing streamers/ competitive players, they seem totally disconnected from reality. And like obviously, the people who make virtual worlds such a large part of their lives is likely gonna have a not great relationship to the real world, but you’d hope they’d at least manage to keep a grip. Instead everything about these spaces is blown way out of proportion to match the stakes of the real world. It’s not just the fact that they hate on someone who’s never done anything wrong to them, but the obsessive degree to which it happens with everything is like not healthy at all and speaks to some fucked up aspect of our culture. I first really experienced it with like fucking game grumps where people like combed social medias and put together timelines to try to figure out private shit that doesn’t matter. Fucking scary world out there.
I know this'll probably get buried, and you may not see it, but I've gotta say it. I never really followed many sports or esports (Except LoL), but there was this Melee player I always admired. Hungrybox is a hero to guys like me. To people that have to work or go to school full time, you proved that we can still be great at the things we love to do. Thank you.
I don't log in to like many videos, but Hbox deserves it, so I'm loggin' in to like this one. Also, great work on the documentary Emp. 10/10 biography.
I can say I'm in a similar boat as Christian here. :D
It’s funny how people can think puff has a low skill ceiling while ignoring it took one player year upon years to master puff enough to be #1. Seems contradictory, no? Mastering simplicity isn’t easy.
Also, I will say I don’t full understand why there’s no items at all. Or, I mean, why there aren’t two separate fields of competition - one with, one without. Sometimes it feels like if you got rid of power weapons in Halo and it was just 4v4, BR only for the entire match. It’s not just having them, but it’s the contesting of power weapons - in this case, items - that adds an entire layer of strategy to the game.
I emphasize again that I don’t think it’s a binary option between melee should or shouldn’t have items, but that maybe there should be two directions of competition. A Rocket Launcher and Sniper doesn’t make Halo less competitive. Smash could be similar with the right tweaks
Because classes never make the information appealing. This video is design to entertain you. Classes aren't they're design to throw information at you, and who ever absorbs it does.
@Anonymous Yeah like my science class is literally reading four paragraphs of something, going over the terms once, and then testing at the end of the week.
@BadWater Bouldering but why would the loser want to hug? The winner wants to hug to show there is no hard feelings and there is real respect for the oponent. The winner gets excited because he has so much respect for the oponent and knows said oponent is skilled . It would be kinda rude to win and just fist bump without any reaction, it shows disrespect and how you don't actually think your oponent is skilled . It's like spamming EZ after a win , it's toxic . Going in for the hug helps showcase to the looser that you truly respect them . There is no reason for the looser to hug the winner , the looser is the one that needs comfort . The respectable thing to do as a looser is shake hands with the winner after a match , a fist bump is like saying "gg" and a hug is like saying " man that was a challange .I'm so happy right now , I really respect you "
@Dragon Bullets watch Armada hug Plup after Plup beats him for the first time. That is a respectful hug coming from the loser. Armada knows Plup had been struggling against him for so many years, and gives him a hug out of respect.
Or when Axe beat Wizzrobe to win smash summit. Wizzy is the one to initiate the hug.
I'm sure Cody respects the hell out of Hbox, and I'm sure he was hyped and didn't know what to do. But I don't believe he should hug him. Cody beat him, fair and square. Fist bump. GG. Pop off! But don't pop off on your opponent by hugging them.
I don't know these guys personally. I don't know exactly what they're feeling. But what I know for sure is that when I lose, the last thing I want is for the guy who beat me to get in my personal space.
You know none of it really matters though. It's kind of just small potato social cues that may or may not be misinterpreted by a largely socially awkward group of video game players lol
@BadWater Bouldering bruh idk dude . When I play sports and win first thing I do is chat to the other team and kinda tell them how good they did and how I think they did good against me personally. It's just different personalities , I am not social, I don't pick up social cues at all since they mostly Don't apply to me. That led to me having a bad relationship with my family , but I genuinely think there shouldn't be unwritten rules to how you can show respect , it depends on the person you are showing respect to and interacting with . If you wanna be kind , be kind in your own way , if it annoys the other person , said other person can discuss the problem with you later
I think a lot of the Hbox hate also boils down to the fact that people don't want to be wrong. They could realize Hbox is a good player, but since they've hated him for so long they keep hating him because they don't want to accept the fact that they're wrong and they're an asshole
@jates513productions any top player would do the same or better if they wanted to. They just dont wanna play a boring char and kill melee in the same way, imagine puff mirror... On the opposite side, have u ever seen hboxs fox? Lul, he have 0 mechanical skills, even my fox is better than his.
@Paradise` no i got your statement, I just was taking notice at how many Puff players there are killing the game. Also, how are you planning to judge a guy for playing a character he doesn't play? I'd suck at Fox too if I solo mained Puff for 10+ years. You can say his playstyle is boring and that Puff is boring to watch, but I dont see what you're trying to prove here
@jates513productionsthat his wins are not fully deserved (not exactly deseved i dnt know how to say in english because ofc he deserve to win if he beats the others) as a plup winning genesis for example
@Paradise` "guy's he's not actually that good anyone could do it they just choose not to because it's boring, trust me, it doesn't matter that people have dedicated their entire careers to Ice Climber Wobbling, and not a single other player in the top 40 uses jigglypuff at all, hbox is different, it doesn't matter that melee is more popular then ever before, he's killing the game, trust me bro."
@Paradise` I've won tournaments but since I played jigglypuff they didn't count since it was too easy so I refused the trophy and instead went on with shame for winning with jigglypuff
@Paradise` how can you even be serious about this? competitive games are ALWAYS about winning, not some artificial moral code. It might be that people lack determination to perfect a "boring" character but that doesnt take away from his achievement at all
@tw33kish who said I took this seriously, melee isnt even my main game. And i never wanted puff to be banned or smth, my point was pretty simple, puff is a lame and boring char thats all :)
@Xcm Ledder lmao you get real melee is a dead game compared to cs, and as a dead game (little community) there isn't enough player to see what would happen. Why do you think top players are always the same? Its not bcause they re gods its bcause there is not enough newcomers, the scene would be full of IBDW plup zain wizzy ginger etc but its not, sfat still there winning nothing (jst kd i love him). As you said I am not the guy saying this, but its pretty logical. I think people playing this game are doing it bcause they love it, you cant live from melee competitive, so the remaini'g thing is passion. Who tf would still wanna play melee for using this dumb char? Nobody
@B2099 mb thought you were the other guy, eeemmmhh so bcause this guy made a video this is the absolute truth? This guy have bias like every body (me and you included) I'm pretty sure some ppl of the community would laught hard watching this
@Paradise` but why are you discussing the same points that the video disproved AND laughed at?? Like..nothing against you but why are you so stubborn??
@B2099 is Hbox your dad or smth ? bro idgaf, youre free to keep arguing over smth i discussed 1mth ago. Puff is a lame char thats my point I have nothing to add bybye
@Paradise` I wasn’t arguing.. And I have nothing against”puff is boring” That’s your opinion and as Long as it is not hurting anyone it is cool Your “opinions” about Hbox on the other hand are the hurtful ones..you said you aren’t even a Smash player so why are you judging the guy like that? Especially when as I said before..the video addressed what you are saying
@B2099 Ok then. So when you talk bout medicine or some complex subjects (which isnt even the case here) you put your confidence into the guys who know better than you right (in the case of medicine, your doctor) what I said isn't even my thinking its the thinking of a alot of top player (ex Armada, leffen, mango, plup etc..), and who made this video??? A pure random yeah thats right. The video is cool im not denying that but its full biased (dnt even know if this word exist)
@Paradise` ok Good point of view But Look how long they have been saying that..so why is Melee still alive? They have been screaming for over a decade yet the game is getting more popular day after day.. Not all doctors are good doctors :)
Either ways..I respect your point of view but I find it unfair to say that the person that made the video is biased..he didn’t know Hbox before this so there is no reason for him to take “one side” of the argument
@Paradise` so by ur logic. A guy is killing an entire game by playing a balloon in the game instead of a space animal (even though whenever he plays, the game gets more spectators)
@Eric Glenn Yeah, the sad thing is that they were a good band. But they were doomed because they were a prog act who weren't gods, while Queen, Rush, Yes and Asia were all around. In comparison to Freddie Mercury, anyone is shit
@Paradise` If you think that puffs playstyle is boring and you don’t dig the defensive playstyle, thats totally fine. You can think whatever you want. Discrediting Hungrybox‘s wins and dominance in the Melee meta tho by saying that he doesn’t deserve the wins, is just wrong man. He was called a god for a reason and I can assure that’s not because „Jigglypuff too ez“
Think how inconceivable it is that the meta was incredibly centralised around a single character, Fox, but it was somehow the player that dared to play someone nobody else did that was destroying the game. That is a warped mindset. Unfortunately, watching the community fail to give any respect at all to the winner of their supposedly beloved game's tournaments tells me everything I need to know about said community.
@William O’Malley But it's true, Melee or even the whole Smash community was so toxic and disrespectful, maybe it still is today. This video may be a reminder to the toxic tournament crowds to behave properly in the middle of a fucking profesional competition don't you think? This video is just a window of all the shit that happened around Melee's competition and community. And yes, about 90% of melee playerbase plays Fox, maybe you are a Fox player too and you got kind of butthurt? maybe?
@Betorockmetal Melee has definitely gotten significantly better in recent years. This video shows the absolute worst parts of the community from the past decade or so. and I play samus and link
@BAAC CAAB That’s kind of a silly way to define a community. The fringes are fringes for a reason: because the rest of the community doesn’t like them.
You know there are people who’ve literally murdered someone over a game of League or CoD. Does that mean the League community has blood on its hands?
As for “how the community disciplines them,” the guy who threw the crab was apparently a known troublemaker and was banned from his local scene after being found out, and the front pages of the SSBM Reddit / Twitter / whatever were flooded with support for HBox and shit for the crab thrower.
@William O’Malley the community literally tried to kill a game cause a newbie 14 year old won a tournament agaisnt a old stay. It's called new blood and child prodigies but you know you obviously didn't watch the video
@Drago Sniper I haven’t heard about that, when did it happen? Are you talking about the Isabelle player in SSBU? And I’ve watched this video like 6 times, one of my favorites on this platform
@Drago Sniper I wouldn't call CPU a "prodigy", nor would I call people abandoning brawl and moving back to the game they liked more actively trying to kill it. CPU was a badass though
@William O’Malley well yeah bit the point was tbis guy was saying "oh a kid like that shouldn't be able to beat a pro" like come on many wtf. That kid could want to be a pro now and he just found his calling but the Melle community is so toxic that they would berate him even if he won on brawl
@Drago Sniper I dunno man, I feel like you're assuming way too much about the situation. I didn't see anyone in the video of the game's comment section or smashboards talking shit about CPU as a player, only about Brawl and the fact that EVO had items on in grand finals for some fuckin reason.
@BAAC CAAB are you insane? how is any community defined by its fringes??? Like the islamic community is defined by the terrorists that blow themselves up and what the peaceful leaders try to do in the face of tragedy? please elaborate
I mean how can you not say the exact same thing about peach and see that the majority of players came to respect her gameplay and meta against fox after a single tournament grand finals that the peach didn't even win. Hello???
Its good to know the meta of a game, but its bad to be bound and gagged by it. This is a lesson for all people who play games with a competitive nature!
@William O’Malley >enter tournament for fun while on vacation >beat everybody > win tournament against legendary professional player >explain nothing >leave and never compete again
@Drago Sniper what cringe series of comments. You watched the video, as well. I agree that the hate towards the kid was too much, but he won a tournament in which items were enabled, ultimates were enabled, and there were no stage bans. This tournament clearly didn't have any of the set rules that define competive smash...which is fine, as it was the first brawl tournament, but no sane person would slap "child prodigy" on a kid who won due to the rng of items and a screen nuke in R.O.B's ultimate.
Also, brawl did not die because of this tournament. Brawl died because of tthe nonexistent character balancing (Metaknight players), which was admittedly fixed in Smash 4, but then re-broken by Bayonetta players.
You need to know that most Melee fans are 20+ years old, but are virgins with low self-esteem, often still living with their parents. They need to hate something so they don't have to confront their own problems. They found a scapegoat in hBox to make their miserable life a little bit better by forming a group and spitting hatred out of jealousy towards him. You know why many people say "Smash" is a kids game? Because the mentality of a lot of fans is the mentality of a 12-14 year old teenager.
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@aww awe I was more so reffering to HBox rather than Jigglypuff being the underdog, he had everything going against him yet he still came out on top. I have never played smash but if I was to make a boxing comparison I am going to assume Jigglypuff is basically a counterpuncher like Floyd mayweather and in boxing people typically don't like watching them fight, still I think he got far more hate than he deserved.
For him to stick it out with the same character for years, even when Puff was considered a bad character on tier lists is a testament to his tenacity. Most people would have changed characters or given up long since then, in fact Hbox is probably the sole reason Puff is considered strong in the first place.
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@aww awe yeah so he's basically Floyd Mayweather of the smash world, bahaha. In boxing people hate him because of how defnsively he fights, even though the way he fights makes him the best in the world.
@aww awe Clearly Jigglypuff is competitive, yeah. Though considering no one but HBox can really play it at the top level really does kind of imply its far from an easy win either. In that respect it's a lot of HBox just being that good as well. Which I guess is unsurprising considering he's been one of the top players for a long time now.
I don't believe there is any clear Jigglypuff successor player for when ever HBox eventually retires, right? So once the era of the gods has completely ended, that will just be that.
Hopefully in future some more of the community will at least respect his efforts and skills, even if the character isn't particularly favored.
@aww awe Wasn't there an entire section about him having to learn several match ups so he didn't get stomped? Besides, there are character match ups and people match ups. When you're the only player close to number one with a character you just have to admit at that point that it's just not the character. I don't play smash but. I'm basing this on this video and what I know of the FGC.
@Quickshot0 It's not easy to win as any character at the top level of play but that doesn't mean puff isn't an easy character to play. Armada basically said it best, most people don't find puff's playstyle fun and she has a playstyle so different from the rest of the cast that you can't really have her as a secondary so there's not a lot of reason anybody would get good with her.
@Quickshot0 Yah 2saint is ranked 35th rn, I'm actually sure puff players find her fun and aren't gaming it.
It's just the whole idea that people will play something that wins in a competitive setting no matter what is stupid. Melee isn't a big game and it doesn't have large enough prize pools to really make a living off of it, you won't get people trying to game the system because it doesn't really make anybody money. Putting in the amount of time which would be required to get to a pro level won't happen unless somebody really enjoys that character
@The L33T PenguinFTW Yeah, just like it would be silly to say the character is easy, if you need that level of effort to be competitive at all. Though obviously it very much is one of the better characters to have a chance at the top.
@The L33T PenguinFTW literally hbox admitted to hating puff
@Wind of change hbox stans tend to forget that he tried to get other top puffs not to give anyone practice in the mu at one point. people have justified reasons for disliking him as a person, not to mention how frustrating puff matches are to watch
@MEEPBUD spilled soda on himself (Dr. Pepper), his friends made fun of him and called him Dr. Peepee. Instead of being embarrassed about it, though, he owned it
@Rye Bread He changed his tag from Dr. Pee pee to PPMD when he got sponsored so that it was at least slightly more professional. He only goes by PPMD now
Riot today would warn you by banning you 14 days and the punishment does las 6 months until reset if you do intentional harm again you are permaban but you can create new account and start from bottom yet again
8:30 Melee vs The Future 22:33 Jigglypuff vs The Meta 30:08 Hungrybox vs The Best In The World 30:56 2013 31:44 EVO 2013 33:00 Winners Finals Match 36:26 Come Up And Get Me. 37:33 EVO 2014 39:36 2015 42:24 Heel HBOX (EVO 2015) 44:44 Switching Targets 45:50 Armada vs Hungrybox 46:57 Hungrybox vs Juan DeBiedma 47:36 1994, HBOX Story 50:35 That’s What It Takes. (2016) 51:15 EVO 2016 52:35 Plup vs Hungrybox (EVO) 54:00 Clutchbox Reigns (Losers Bracket) 55:38 Losers Finals 56:47 Grand Finals 1:00:16 Still Following 1:00:51 2017 1:02:23 Hungrybox Reigns 1:02:54 Hungrybox vs The Last Of The God’s 1:03:12 The Disappearance Of The Gods 1:05:01 Hungrybox vs Melee 1:05:26 Community Problems 1:06:26 20FF 1:13:51 Hungrybox Isn’t < Is Melee 1:17:48Get Better. Let me know if I missed anything
@SlimeyPlayz I didn’t think you were and you are right that hungry box deserves that spot, I just think that your timestamps would and could be very helpful to people watching the video.
@Justin Carwile Agreed. But Emplemon can chose to heart the comment or not, it’s his choice and I really don’t care if I get a heart of not. I made this comment to help. And nothing else.
@LSDLV Ballad of the Goddess - Hajime Wakai & Takeshi Hama (LoZ) Edit: Also, there’s a link to a Pastebin with a list of all the music used in this video in the description
endel people just hate on him because his playstyle isnt fun to watch, he usually stalls. People forget the players in the tournaments arent there to entertain the spectators, they’re there to compete and win. People who go to watch tournaments arent entitled to a super entertaining match. Cravingcube definitely doesnt deserve the hate.
totally. truth is, you mustn't throw your anger at players, but at people making designing their game / or in this case, people making rules That's why stalling is forbidden in melee, as well as wobbling recently. Because it's not fun to watch. However i don't see Puff as an annoying charachter - sure it rely on spacing because it is so fragile that you must to be extremely careful, but if the Puff advance slowly towards the opponent while spacing for me it's ok
One thing that really sucks is that the crowd has almost no people cheering for Hungrybox EVER, and then the HBox haters who happen to be fans of Mango cheer and scream when Mango just knocks down a single stock off of HBox. Hungrybox really deserves a lot more recognition, and this video makes that closer to happening, thank you for making this.
Mango fans love hbox because at least he didn't retire like Adam. Also I think people just don't like the character puff. People hated Mango when he played puff and would boo him regularly.
That poor guy, I honestly can’t understand the hate he receives. This is like the opposite of the classic “try harder and you will succeed” story and mentality. He’s had a rough life and he’s tried his best to become the best and he still has not received any of the respect he truly deserves and still receives hate and it’s just sad to see.
so basically people got made a guy was able to master a character nobody else could? this kind of reminds me when the one Korean guy was perfect at using zenyattas alts fire, and other pros complained and blizzard nerfed it. like wtf lol. hungrybox deserves props. side note i take high offence that kirby is low tier....
Then you really need to watch "The Smash Brothers", it is an amazing documentary even if you know nothing about smash. The storytelling is fantastic and it keeps you hooked for the entirety of it.
@Kaded I'm just saying give me your average puff at locals, they are gonna die lmao, she's super good but super difficult to play with and requires you to basically learn how to play differently than any other character
based on the top players over the years yes only Hbox can play puff.And mang0 probably but he had no competition when he was maining puff for the most part so we can't say for sure But one thing is true. From the beggining of the so called era of the 5 gods no other puff player is seen on the horizon. Only Hbox
@Ikati 7477 it really goes all the way down to at least regionals, I rarely played ones that were serviceable at all, she's not that commonly picked, there's prince abu and who else, the character is super hard to play and you have to play backwards to any other character. I played competitively for a few years and only ran into a handful
@Corey Golphenee what always bogled my mind was the hate for hbox.He mained a character represented by him alone with a unique approach.In every other fighting game community he would have been praised for his unique main and approach to the game but not melee. In melee you can play fox like the 70% of the player base and be praised even if you play camply runaway fox but how dare you play puff.If it wasn't for this video i think hbox would have abandoned the game and the competitve scene
Hey, uh, let's maybe not pretend the reason ZeRo left the game was because of community pettiness, or even really his own choice. He did some pretty unpleasant stuff and was rightly censured for it. I'm very much in favor of rehabilitation, and everything I've seen says he's making a sincere effort to atone for what he did, but I don't think it's fair to compare HBox to a confessed sex offender -- especially because community opinion of ZeRo was largely positive prior to the incident.
Absolutely outstanding video otherwise, but it's kind of important not to sweep things like that under the rug.
This video was uploaded on Jan. 2020. The unpleasant stuff that ZeRo did came to light during the summer of 2020. Emp's point at 1:09:48 is still true though. ZeRo left competitive Smash because of all the hate he got for winning at that time. It had nothing to do with the awful stuff he did. Only later did those matters became widely known and that he ultimately had to step away from the community and his YouTube channel.
Man that timing lol. But I have to say, HBox did put in the effort so I have to admire that, same to Zain. However, like what Emp said, "...You can count on HBox to pick up the pieces, comeback later and win" So lets wait and see.
@Bruhlie the point of the comment is to highlight the coincidence and hilarious timing, doesn't matter who you choose to root for... Is like a documentary praising the Patriots, in the same week of the superbowl, and then they lose to Miami Dolphins in a landslide. The irony is funny, doesn't prove nothing, doesn't destroy their legacy, but is funny anyway
@BlissfulZane715 one the things that I like is that Zain lost Pound for Hbox, and now won Genesis, and with a Marth with all characters. It would be nice if they trade off titles like that, I would watch Melee everytime again if that happens
@santino I like how you say that yet one of their videos is something most of the online community agrees with, and thats how bad Rise of Skywalker was.
@Resstarr Ooooh I get the crabs now. I'd forgotten that somebody threw shellfish at him that one time. I thought I was getting called out for not considering Smash a traditional fight game despite liking it yadda yadda yadda.
Yeah that was pretty good. 10/10 Smash moment would krab again.
This is great, more competition brings in more viewership, Hbox losing would bring in more hope for more players to be better and increase the competition. This in turn will improve Hbox, and it will be an endless cycle of people changing meta and playing interesting styles/picks, bringing in more life to this game.
@Fortress LOL you literally proved emp's video correct. I loved that Zain won though. Good shift in the tides, just low I like how Marss beat MkLeo in Smash 5 during Gen 7.
I'll add that I'm not going to go out of my way to bash the guy or anything (not that he should have to prove himself to people like me). I constantly worry about what people around me think about me, and I imagine Hbox probably deals with that same feeling but on a much larger scale, so I certainly don't want to contribute to that. He's one of the best the game has ever seen, and I don't think anybody can deny the kind of impact he's had on the game and the scene as a whole.
@Jordan Carr 2nd is losing for winners. You have to lose to get 2nd, while you have to win to get 3rd or 1st. That difference is why a lot of olympians, as well as Hbox, feel worse for getting 2nd than getting 3rd. Because you COULD have been 1st, and weren't.
Ain't that a kick in the teeth. Some guy makes a admiration and biography about you, then you lose a major tournament. Here's hoping he wins the next one.
"there will Never Ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox" Your right, Because there will eventually be a player who is better, there is always a player who is better.
"there will Never Ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox" God I sure hope not. I'd rather watch wobbling than a full six minutes of ledge stalling and back air.
I still think it's funny Nintendo pulled melee out of evo then put it back in. It's like if Capcom banned certain tournaments from playing old marvel vs Capcom or something lol
I started the video, looked at the duration, and cringed. "No way in hell am I spending 1.5 hours watching this"
Also me 1.5 hours later: Man HBox is underrated bro. I hope the rest of the community can get past their grievances with jigglypuff and accept that their game isn't just about one Fox character.
Additionally, he is a big reason why fox is so big because fox is the only character in the game with an even matchup against puff so everyone else has to learn fox.
Players: Jiggly puff its so boring and easy. Also players: Lets never use that character, we dont care about winning or loosing :V as long as He doesnt...LOL
4:59 There are so many games here and I have only played 3: Dokapon Kingdom, GTA and Rayman. None of these I have owned (except Dokapon Kingdom through Dolphin). Yea Im a real gamer
@Benjamin Francisco Tapia Rostran I don't think Leffen is a bad person, but he loves complaining. He won't let someone call him out without firing back.
@Benjamin Francisco Tapia Rostran I would rather talk to someone who actually plays the game at a high level than some random guy though. Leffen obviously has a more informed opinion cuz he's been there, also ur analogy sucks
@Gigi yeah of course he's gonna trash on campy puffs cuz campy puffs are lame. Saying leffen is washed from one tournament ks stupid that's like saying hbox is no longer #1 cuz he got 2nd at one tournament. Also I don't rlly think Leffen bullies people on Twitter but ok
thats kinda what leffen does, basically heres the cycle
1. shit on ultimate but still compete for some reason 2.say "melee is so much better guys im gonna do really good in the next tournament and play some sick melee dude" 3. either a. win melee singles and try to act super humble or b. john about something (i do think we should give leffen some credit on this though, being a top european melee player is insanely fucking hard)
but something i think ppl dont really understand with leffen is that hes purely talking about the highest level of play, and yeah, hbox is the only puff at the highest level so clearly he isnt gonna talk about 2saint or leighton or something lol nobody rlly thinks on like the entire scale factoring low and mid level play that puff is the best character, she isnt as good there, but at the highest level she is insanely good. now i wouldnt go as far as to say she is the best of course, i would say shes around 2-4, and the reason i say this is bcuz of the consistency and its really hard to play from behind against puff, and that puff has amazing comeback potential
for an example of this literally just watch hax vs hbox at genesis 7, hax was up 2-0 and was just rested so many times. but i do think the times are changing and ppl are getting good at the puff matchup, very excited for 2020 melee and to see if hbox can keep his #1 amongst people like zain who are grinding the mu so hard
hbox is an amazing player though his neutral game is insane and he just pulls rest reads out of thin air, and its almost like puff was made for him, he truly plays to the strengths of the character so fucking well its actually incredible. i just really dislike his playstyle and heavily root against him because of that.
"Why is this guy doing a video on Hbox? Does he not know of my existence and how I'm the best in the world?" Yeah let that ego go to your head more and more leffen.
"It's clear to everyone Fox is the best, and easier to use than puff"
Yeah, no; Fox is far more demanding and combo food for several characters, not saying it isn't the best, just not as good as people say. Also, the reason puff is not popular is that basically it has a soft ban in the meta cause everyone hates it.
@Nozomu Itoshiki But if puff was as good as they pretend she is there would still be a large amount of players playing puff. People don't care as much about what they think is "cheap" or "lame" as much as they care about winning.
@Cyka Blyat I'd say yes but melee is different, melee players don't start playing this game for the money, but cause they looked how cool and fast people can execute their moves; most of the players, even ICs mains (that besides wobbling have a ton of impressive mechanics) try to follow the high skill mindset. Also, ICs, another annoying char, even with an infinite is not that popular, for the same reason.
@Big Toblerone What are you talking about? Leffen never asked for Puff to be banned nor have any other top players to my knowledge. Fox is also not "easier to use". Bit of a nitpick but Mang0 has never said Puff was the best.
@Sally Vee Hbox is not the only one who "bothers to play something different". You're completely disregarding people such as Amsa, Axe, Wizzy, and even Mango who play something different.
@Sally Vee "What fallacies have I committed? In fact, I wasn't even aware I was trying to logically debate you."
Oh sorry, are you implying that a fallacy can only exist within a debate? Cute.
Sorry, you obviously have no idea what a straw man is. I've only said you were wrong and then commented on why there was no point in explaining anything to you to begin with (you are doing a good job of corroborating that). That is not a strawman, I did not create and argument that you were not original arguing for just to discredit your original stance. It's okay if you're embarrassed about that, you're only human after all.
Just because it is an opinion doesn't mean it can't be wrong. Hope you at least learned something today. :)
“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
@Sally Vee By specifically calling the melee community toxic while juxtaposing it to other communities is implying so. If that wasn't your intention then like I said previously, work on your rhetorical composition. How quick to forget, we are.
@Sally Vee No, no. You need to look up the definition of straw man. Even if I am wrong that still isn't a straw man lol. Simple as. You did imply as I have adequately explained. If you can't or won't admit your mistake, that's fine. Just know you made it. :)
@techno Leffen's problem is that he thinks he has influence, when in the real world he really is nothing more than a video game nerd on a whole different level. He's like Ninja, he thinks he's special and that his word is golden, but in truth it is not.
Competitive video game players/fans are some of the most vile and sad human beings I have ever seen. It's like this one game is the only thing in their life that they're good or proud at and everything else is sad. Granted, some sports fans can be just as bad, like a sports team that they've even a part of AT ALL is the most important thing in their life or something.
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EmpLemon has some kind of magical soul, to be able to perfectly capture and give the pure essence of piece of history. Before, I thought that my lack of knowledge was boosting my experience with each episode. But even now, with me knowing melee as I do, it was like going back in time to relive and learn about a game that really changed my life. Between the writing, editing, and music, it's all too cohesive. EmpLemon has developed something of a rarity. Some might even call him a god. From what I've seen, there's just one.
Melee commentators are notoriously cringey, look up the "cringiest moments in Melee history" it gets pretty rough. Toph and Scar should commentate every match lol
anyone got a link to the song at 40:05 or so? i'm like 95% sure it's a remix of a classic mega man song but i don't know my oldschool MM well enough to pick out which one it is
The negativity is what makes you work hard. Golden boys will hit their ceiling, but the guy who everyone hates/wants to fail will continue fighting to win the admiration of the community and never stop improving.
Correct. Which is it why Positive and Negative cannot exist without the other. But...
Sometimes the Negativity over powers the other. Making the person not see the positive a lot of the times. But. Sometimes you can even in all that negativity.
Damn. As a casual gamer and outsider looking in, I've slowly been learning more about the Smash pro gaming community by seeing highlights from youtubers like GRsmash. As I scroll through the comments of the videos, I see people commenting about things that I don't have context for understanding, and one of the main things has been the controversy over HBox.
Personally, I never understood why people hated him so much. If it was over personal matters, I could understand that (after all, so many celebrities and athletes have reputations haunted by their personal actions), but after seeing this video, I feel that this still doesn't provide reason enough for HBox to be given the shit that he is.
For me, I love seeing the calculated style of HBox and how he has to be strategic with his hits in order to make them count (especially with such a light character that cannot afford to have its shield broken). I love seeing his passion when he pops off after a win, and even the emotion (er, 'salt') on his face when he loses, because to me, that's a sign that this man is truly passionate about the game he plays, and it's people like that who I want to rally behind whenever I watch sports or esports. I think about Lebron James screaming out Cleveland's name when the 50 year curse was finally broken, of Olympians collapsing on the ground and crying out in emotion whether they've won or lost. Its those moments that I remember, even more so than the performance of the sport itself, because I can see that those moments meant something to those athletes, and because of that, it starts to mean something to me.
I loved the ending and how it compared HBox to the game of Melee itself, because I think the perspective mentioned of the non Melee community on HBox rings true for me. I admire and respect the strategy and tact and training and all the little details that go into Melee and Smash gameplay as a whole, but as someone who isn't a professional Smash player, that's not what matters most to me about the game. I wouldn't have come to know any of those things about professional Smash, or even about pro Smash's existence itself, without first having seen clips of gameplay that interested me and made me want to learn more about the game.
Like it or not, HBox's gameplay is super interesting to me. Like I said before, I can see his emotion as he plays, and that makes me root for him. To me, this is what made him stand out from being just another Smash player, a face lost among the dozens of other players I see while combing through gameplay highlights. The emotion made me realize that he's the Smash player who is passionate about winning, the player I realize will be at the highest of highs if he wins, or absolutely emotionally crushed if he loses, and now that I know a bit about who he is as a person, a bit about his story, I feel compelled to get behind him and root for him. Seeing how antagonized he is by his own community just adds more to that story, and it makes me want to support him even more. (I feel similarly about ZeRo. To me, both him and HBox are underdogs. Even though they may be/have been number 1 statistically in their respective competitive scenes, they were underdogs because their communities didn't support them; their communities rooted against them and wanted them to fail.)
I guess the primary take away I get from this video, other than that I think HBox deserves better, is that the Melee community committing a grave hypocrisy in its treatment of HBox, and that it's making a huge mistake in believing that the only way Melee can survive is if they remain grounded in their past ways, perhaps because Melee is a game of the past. Just because something is old in origin, or perceived to be outdated, doesn't mean that it can't grow, develop, and change in new ways, and in its own journey, continue to change with the rest of the times. That's the very nature of evolution, isn't it? Time and environment are always changing, and the only way you're going to survive it is to accept that change is necessary and adapt in new ways. If not, eventually time and change will win out, and you'll go extinct.
If the Melee community, or the Smash community in general, wants to earn my respect as a member of the outside, it's going to have to learn how to respect its own players first.
Rant over. Thank you EmpLemon for making this video, this was a great watch and I'm glad you're covering this issue so that casual viewers like me can better understand what Melee/Smash people are referencing/talking about ^^'
To be fair, smash bros communities are pretty much all toxic, I find Melee community more toxic only because "Melee is the greatest Smash Bros ever". Where as Ultimate is just better in every way, but what has happened recently kind of shows that most people are just toxic not really just the communities itself.
@Dragon Brendan Maybe, but Ultimate gives more character variety and every character is fun to play besides having like 5 or 6 characters in melee.
The outcome is that Ultimate needs more skill because of the character diversity and match up. Not to mention every character in ultimate can be used in many unique ways other than just L cancelling and wave dashing.
anyone who doesn’t like puff is definitely a cornball follower that plays the played out corniest characters, you know the ones: the fox or the bird. Now that is lame.
Every time a new Never Ever comes out, I look at the topic and go, “huh?” Then I watch it, and am reminded of why I love this series. Can’t wait to see what’s next.
@Rappin' Ronnie Reagan I think you misunderstood. I believe @LordAgatesword meant that the topic could be about something in regards to music like a pop star, a Kurt Cobain sort of story perhaps.
I never knew about how progressive Melee came to be. I have fond memories as a kid playing this with my friends and me maining Kirby because...well I just liked Kirby! And seeing Hungrybox, through thick & thin, not giving up on Jigglypuff or himself, he persevered through it & became #1. That speaks a lot & I admire him. Good video, Emp.
I cried actual tears on this, I remember seeing some of these events and following them vaguely in my childhood, I rooted for him because he seemed the underdog. Hearing this story I having nothing but respect for this man. GG hungrybox you will never be forgotten, you really did because the best.
Same here man. I've always rooted for the underdogs more often then not and in HBox's case he was the underdog that was actually more than good enough to win. Always been a big fan of HBox and he deserves his success and following more than any other Smash player in the scene.
I can only imagine how many unused takes this guy has from this video, all of which are just clips of himself laughing hysterically at the sentence "Melee's 5th god, Dr. PeePee." Lord knows I can't say that with a straight face.
I was expecting one of those melee-hacking gamecube memory cards, like the one used by that Pichu player. Just to make a big "This game sux i quit" statement.
I would argue very much that Hbox does, in fact, deserve to have his legacy and sheer amount of determination and grit shown in a documentary as detailed and well-written as this one.
Every time I go to a MLG event the fighting game players are always in a league of their own. Less respect, more apt to throw or taunt or blow up at eachother. The community in general can be really toxic because as a whole they can be winey angry gamers who like to explain their loses more than get good. Clutchbox is a dman hero for rising above this somehow.
Idk if you’ll ever read this, But this video is probably one of the most amazing videos I’ve ever seen in my life. This is easily the best smash video to ever come out on YouTube, better than the Smash Doc, better than all of it. And you’re not ever a smash you tuber!! I was shocked to see this video come out on my timeline and I was glued to my seat watching ever second of it. I’m interested to see HBox’s reaction to this video.
The fact that this man mastered the very weakest pokemon in all SSB History And Won An Entire championship proves that this man didnt fuck around for a second to get what he already deserved.
@TheWingedPing no im pretty sure it was because of mango. If my memory serves me correct puff was top or high tier as early as 2009, then again I could be misremembering things.
@TheWingedPing Melee has never had patches of any kind (the PAL version is its own thing and NTSC players don't use it on tournaments). As a consequence of this, Jiggs has always had the tools to be a top tier. Arguing that Jiggs became better just because people began to use it properly ignores the fact tiers are decided not simply by results, but by the tools a given character posses as an aswer to common meta situations.
If tiers were decided solely by usage, then Bowser could become a top tier, which as you can see, it's ridiculous.
Community after watching this: I was one of the last people to actually root for Hbox when he won against armada and when he became #1 I cheered for him
This video makes me feel like all the knowledge I’ve picked up over 7 years about the competitive smash scene seem worth every minute. Great Documentary Emp!
I never knew about Juan until a year ago, and I don't plan on being an expert gamer, but He has become somewhat of an inspiration for me to be a better person.
I've never even heard of this game or Hbox or EmpLemon or even FGC, but this was just such a well put together video I watched the entire thing. Really well done 👏
Such a masterpiece. This left me speechless and with my mouth wide open. With all the shit Hbox had to take, it must feel great to have this video dedicated to himself. Insanely good video. You are among the youtube gods.
I always thought something was off about the Melee community. This definitely highlights some of my suspicions. I'm glad Hbox persevered through the hate.
We need a series of this. Hungrybox's life, his difficult journey, the hate towards him. Everybody loves an underdog story and this is the best I've seen in my life IRL
Yo, this is sincerely a great video essay. Coming from someone who didn't really care about the SSBM competitive scene, you do a phenomenal job of dramatizing and building interest in your subject. I don't comment a whole lot, but I figured this one was worth it, since the quality of the end product was so surprising and satisfying. Nice work!
I love Smash and have always loved Smash. Playing Smash 64 is one of my earliest memories. When I went on to college at a music conservatory I didn't think anyone would be into gaming, but I met the right group of people who shared my love for Smash (64 and Melee). We would even figure out the musical themes such as the character selection screen song and the one from the stats screen when you beat one of the story levels. My friends and I used to play almost every day in college. I would get texts from my friends that just read "Smash?" And despite all of the shit-talking and yelling, we loved every moment of it. Haven't played in years now, and am kind of surprised I clicked this video, but, wow, what an amazing story. And though I've put a lot of time and effort into my craft (music, not smash), this video finds me at a time of feeling inadequate. All the more inspiring, and it's true that losses are lessons if you can make them so.
Hbox himself put it best: incredible. I haven't watched competitive smash, but this had me gripped. Masterwork, and one of the best youtube videos I've watched all year.
I've rewatcged this vid a bunch of time yet for some reason this time I got chills and tears came to my eye when Hbox was relayijg what his biological dad told him. "You be good, but you'll never be the best" I don't know why it struck me. I've seen the video multiple time and but it never stuck out like it did this time. Maybe its cause I can relate in a way (obvi im not a one of the best smash players in the world but u get what i mean). Amazing video. Probably one of the best on the playform
As someone who grew up playing the Smash franchise, Hungrybox will always be my favourite player and a huge core of the series and Melee specifically. Love him or hate him he worked his butt off for what he wanted and that's something to respect.
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Nicholas Hepburn2021-12-22 00:29:08 (edited 2021-12-22 00:29:26 )
SSBM was/is perfect. This game lives in the hearts and memories of all who played it. Immortal game!
Considering this video and several others, I can say with 100% certainty and no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Leffen is more trash than Hungrybox will ever be. Maybe not at the game, but as a person in general. It's disgraceful how disrespectful he is to nearly everybody around him.
Hbox was always my favorite Melee player. I loved how he was one of the only ones to play a character that no one else was playing and win with it. Respect
I watched this twice and was in my recommended. Very well commented and edited. Also I'm only a casual don't care about competitive scene of smash. But underdog stories that's my jam. Any case Thank you.
Hbox really is supersmash that was awesome! great story! its kinda funny I never watched a lot of tourneys literally cause i hated watching people play fox haha I won a college tourney with ganondorf and never played another tourney again lol but I always will have a place in my heart for the games
I used to watch melee tournaments. I didn't even know there was a "smash 4" because brawl was such a joke it ruined the name of the game. This was such an awesome game that was bumpered into mediocrity.
This video was well for its time, but it aged very poorly. I am upset that this may be the one video someone watches about melee, because I think everything’s settled, I mean Leffen and hbox seem to be homies again, and the community still takes a few jabs at him but understand that he’s a good player and respect him for what he did, and new players who now top hbox who are basically discredited because hbox being #1 before. The video aged really poorly too, as mang0 is playing better than hbox now too
Edit: lol “will never face a prime mang0 again”, literally in his prime right now, and hbox sadly hasn’t been playing to our expectations, it’s sad but kinda funny how much misinformation or what became misinformation was from this video
Paolo Nuñez2022-01-23 20:55:25 (edited 2022-01-24 04:45:17 )
Mang0 made a big comeback for sure, but at the time of the video he was far from the top. Also Leffen and Hbox aren't buddies, not at all. The second Hbox starts beating Leffen again (if ever), then Leffen will send more hate his way. Leffen was already talking smack about Wizzy after he was beaten by him at Summit 12 too.
It doesn't take a long time to look up the current standing of Melee players in 2022, so the video being about the community circa late 2019 to early 2020 doesn't discredit any of that. Most people who are interested enough to watch Melee in the future won't really be done a huge disservice by listening to this video. That would be like saying the Melee documentary was damaging because it was technically outdated when released, even though that's the reason why so many people got involved with the game.
I do not understand the Melee community hating its top player. Hungrybox, if you are reading this, know that I respect you for all your hard work and to keep on chugging. Fight to the end and never give up, and thank you, EmpLemon, for introducing me to Melee.
If Hungrybox has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Hungrybox has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Hungrybox has only one fan then that is me. If Hungrybox has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Hungrybox, then I am against the world.
I’ve watched this video 3 times now, but until the third viewing I couldn’t quite put my finger on why I dislike Mango so much, but then I saw it. The remark at 17:04. If his opponent loses, he can brag that he beat him with a character he has little experience with, if his opponent wins he can say that he only lost because he wasn’t playing his main. No one likes to play against someone that’s sandbagging. Also the name “Scorpion Master” sounds like a 12-year old’s imaginary friend. Not intimidating, just childish.
idek why this got recommended to me since i dont play video games but I found a lot of similarities in what I do play (chess) and in the main character has the same personality I have. This was very inspiring. Congrats to you.
TBH Ive never been involved with the community because it always seemed so toxic, and this kinda reaffirms that belief. That being said, major kudos to HBOX. Seriously the guy is a God for even putting up with all that, and not losing his mind.
Someone made a video of a VTuber playing Smash titled "There will never be a smash player like Nene". Couple of weeks after watching that I get this recommended. This was amazing. It was like watching a movie and the final scene where the "HungryBox vs ...." switched to "HungryBox is...." was so damn cool!
Melee is the only game where the "bad guy" of the competitive scene could main an adorable pink puffball whose signature moves are singing and taking a nap.
Well, I guess this is part of the reason why there's been many articles written about the worst and most toxic gaming comunities, and Smash is always no. 1. This is just sad...
I think whats also important to note about Jigglypuff being a part of the series was the pokemon marketing at the time. I'm in my late 20s now and when I was a kid playing gen 1, my mom could only name 2 pokemon; pikachu and jigglypuff. Puff was heavily pushed as a kid friendly, parent approved poke character.
13:00 that's still impressive though, he got stomped by some kid on vacation, that was the most important day of the year to Ken, but for that kid...it was only tuesday.
Hungrybox will see the great comments all you left in time. Because in all our glory later in life we come to relax and just scroll through our history (Just to see what have made them them), Isn't that what every grandpa does? I know my grandpa talks so much about his past, then scrolls on youtube to find history similar to his, but I bet if my grandpa had a documented history he would have looked through all the good things about him said to make him feel proud of his accomplishments.
Love you HungryBox such an inspiring story for many of us! I'm sorry the community hated you for the delusion they fell under that you were ruining the game but just like you said. If you believe it will get better it will, and I think that will hold true when the fire dies and people start to look at the true you that held the game where it stood for so long and really just kept the tournaments going and the fire for glory in Melee alive. The community could not see past for so long because most of them won't even do their own research on you they just go with the Meta. And while I do think your first few reactions to the stages set the stage for the audience for most of your career if not all, I think you did a great job at learning to calm down in your later tournaments which will forever shape the way growing underdogs will look at themselves and try to take example off of your good man examples.
Well made video and I love people who can really give a detailed video of the truth that really gives our souls a rest when we are dead knowing we experienced something great and not just inhuman amount of hate forever. Thanks EmpLemon.
HungryBox is so fkn hot! Don't know why he calls himself that, but Juan can feed my box his Jigglypuff anytime he wants. Seriously, though, great video! ... Will say his father's quote struck me hard. I know all too well not having family that believes in you. How inspiring to watch this formerly labeled Underdog prove everyone wrong by claiming his hard earned title as world's Top Dawg. Mad luv to HungryBox!
I swear I was not planning on watching it originally cause it was smash bros content which I am not that much interested, and 1 hour and 20 minutes of it, but my god, it got recommended to me OVER 98 TIMES, so I just gave in
Man, I have a few thing to say. 1: I may not be competitive, but man I feel bad for Hungrybox. The last of the Melee Gods and yet he barely got any praise. I say he BLOODY deserve to be the best! He has gotten this far and you people just need to take a chill pill and say sorry!
2: I do like how Jigglypuff went form a punching bag for Foxes to the grim reaper of Foxes. Kind of Ironic and somewhat funny.
Hungrybox is not the last of the melee gods because Mang0 is still here and still getting top 8 at majors and recently placed first in summit 11 and second in summit 12 this year alone.
Also jigglypuff is still a punching bag for fox, as jigglypuff has no neutral against fox but some players like hbox has learned the matchup against fox
The biggest opponent in any competiton, more than ourself or the other player, is how we handle the public stupidity xD (here, the community's haters). It's a harsh world, and many wonder why it's mainly male field. Because it is not for ppl who sell their p*ssies on cam lol. Anyway, nice vid. on players I didn't know cuz I only played melee with friends at home, and not brawl because it costs money to buy new consoles.
1:13:11 = reality. The rest of the video is just dumb analogies. You show 100+ HBox kills in this 84 mins video ... and they are pretty much all lame. This is a video about Hungrybox, yet 100% of the cool kills in the video are made by the other players. Rest is lame, edgeguarding with 5 jumps is lame, puff ''combos'' are lame, puff is lame, etc.
? I'm sure a lot of melee fans are doing just fine or are still students in HS/College. If you mean the community as in top players then they've already succeeded in real life by streaming and through tournament wins. Still impressive that Hbox got his degree while playing, but not every top player needs to do that to make a solid living.
Uh, Zain has a Business IT degree from Georgia State and Mang0 is probably making over 200k a year streaming right now. I’m sure that Hbox isn’t the only melee player to succeed.
@Timothy Pickarski I think that he means outside of melee he has a stable job option. Zain also has options, but out of the top players like mang0, he is the most secure
@Luke Rose i dont remember the video saying mang0 wasnt a god, because even armada and PP are still referred to as gods. not denying mang0s skill because he is really good. just saying that even though hbox isn't as good as before he is still pretty good
@ShanTheWow Oh I know dude. You’re good. The video said something along the lines of “Hungrybox is the last god left”. I think that’s kinda fucked up, considering Mango is still out here, and his second half of 2019 was really good, and his 2020 has been him being cemented as #2
Hbox never needed to grind he plays puff tf does the meta have him keeping up with? Prince abu has said it him self he usually doesn’t have to grind and grind when he goes to tourneys because he plays puff get off his chest
@Dnan Brofloxski We can clearly see when Hbox grinds and doesn't grind, it shows hard af. And if you're actually turning a blind eye to how well Hbox performs when he goes hard on melee then there is no point arguing I guess.
@Dnan Brofloxski You seem to be in the mindset that the only thing you grind is technical skills, and that the potential to grind technical skill is character dependent, ie puffs dont grind. But you are completely ignoring the vast amounts of time hbox had to grind to overcome puffs hardest match-up which is fox, and thats one character. We see when hbox (and any player really) prioritizes melee.
@qwowp no you grind the game in general tech skill only gets you so far but you have to put hours into the game being another character with more necessity to do shit or move a certain way puff doesn’t have to do any of that
@qwowp I’m not denying anything hbox is a top 5 most respectively too, but y’all on his d omg degree and melee pro? He didn’t have to do as much as people with other characters
@Luke Rose Mate this video is a year old. It can’t predict the future. It can’t predict covid, or predict Mango’s resurgence. What tf did you expect? 😂
@Luke Rose Well Mango was ranked 5th on the MPGR in 2018 and 5th in the 2019 summer. Since this video is so long, I assume Emp was working on it for a long time so perhaps those were the results Emp was going by. He probably glanced at Mango’s results and noticed the significant drop off from his previous years - hence why he said what he did.
Ofc in retrospect we know Emp was wrong to count out Mango like he did. Mango’s back baby :)
@Luke Rose Nah this vid is about Hbox. Emp used the whole ‘Hbox is the last God’ shtick to give this video a cohesive story. That one detail didn’t age well but that’s okay. Anyone watching the melee scene rn knows Mango is back on form.
It isn’t degrading either man Mango probably doesn’t gaf either way
I’m from maryland and I think it’s so funny and SOOOOO maryland to throw a fucking crab! Our state is known for its blue crabs and old bay. Lol what a doofus to throw a crab but also funny
Man, you never saw fly amanita play ice climbers then.
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John Kramer2020-02-04 03:44:09 (edited 2020-02-04 03:44:58 )
xKayoss I did, but he never Wobbled cause he was bad at it. Fly was a VERY VERY VERY RARE exception to the rule. If Wobbling was perma-banned from competitive play, you’d never see a Ice Climber main in the top 100 ever again.
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Able no.2020-01-27 01:39:38 (edited 2020-01-27 02:15:11 )
> Emp lemon gets a copyright claim from an hour-long video
Climbers and Puff are very similar in the sense that they both zone out the opponent and defend until they try to stake the fight on their 1 'broken' move. The difference is that Climbers offer a clear win-lose condition to the audience, whereas Puff's stakes are hidden behind closed doors. People don't like watching Jigglypuff not only because it's a defensive and slow character in a fast game (although that's part of it) but also because it does not communicate its stakes and its moves visually, to the average viewer a perfect Rest that pays off just looks like someone got deleted for no reason + the sleeping right after looks like mocking. It's mostly a visual issue, imo.
I had no idea that sing was basically a OHKO move all or nothing before watching the video. I've never played Smash and only watched some videos by False Stripe on the 2 pokemon characters, one of which is Puff, but only in N64.
I have seen Ice Climbers though and that grab thing just made me frown "What is this stupid and lame move? It's so boring". I'd much prefer watching a pink ball than some stupid infinite grab thing.
TheStrangeBloke I personally have nothing against hbox and imo he never did anything wrong to receive so much hate. But leffen is just that toxic guy that you want to fight the next time you see him. 100% dislike leffen more
@Ikelos As someone who would be considered an average viewer, I absolutely LOVE jigglypuff gameplay in melee. Rest does not look like a sudden deletion, nor a taunt. A well-payed off rest is my favorite, favorite part!! Ice climbers gameplay, especially the wobbling, looks like utter shite and is boring and annoying. Hate it. Will kill ice climbers.
Huh. I haven't thought about crab mentality in the whole hbox crab debacle. What a thematically appropriate thing that audience member throw to Hungrybox to reinforce a narrative.
I thought this was just going to document some player with a bunch of skill who made it to the top. But this is a true documentary, about a person and a community. I'm not even into Melee and I actually started getting emotional at the end, this is an incredible video.
To me it's very impressive he can make such a long video that flows so well that it only feels like at most 20 minutes passed. He crafted such a narrative that I felt like you were taken on such a grand journey in a small amount of time.
I attended 2017's Big House and was one of the few who cheered when Hungrybox won it. As soon a I did, literally everyone sitting around me gave me a look like I was crazy, and one of them even went as far as to storm away like a diva and say "Why won't this asshole just quit mellee already?"
After this EXTREMELY well-made documentary, the toxic majority of mellee's community should no longer have trouble understanding why, and that he has, in every sense of the word, EARNED his status. I will continue to cheer him on along with my other favored players when I attend tournaments, because that is what everyone else should be doing instead of hating for petty reasons. You are gem of a Youtuber, EmpLemon, and I'm very upset that I've just now discovered your videos.
1:13:11 Off topic but this same attitude happens in music too. Hip hop heads constantly discredit Drake's success, saying that he's not hip hop or he's "killing rap" because he doesn't fit the typical image of a rapper and that he's "soft" and makes music for women. You can't be at the top if you don't have haters lol
michael diaz2020-01-30 07:47:34 (edited 2020-02-11 09:46:37 )
damn dude i cried when he mentioned his biological dads shitty statement. its sucks to have a figure that tells you that youll never be the best. im sorry to hear that Hbox, and i feel you
I'm far more impressed by Hungrybox's achievements than Mango's. The guy went through school, a job and still became one of the five Gods, whereas Mango bragged about having more Evo wins than homework completed.
They're both incredible individuals really. Some of the clips from this documentary have quotes from them from long ago when they were younger and less mature. They've both grown since then year by year and the community is better for having them both.
@Mr. Meeseeks Hbox is definitely impressive, but in a way it's actually more impressive to win tournaments with Fox or Falco. At least in the current state of the meta. Yes the characters have better options, but considering how technically demanding they are it also makes them much more volatile. When you take human error and put it in a stressful tournament setting, against puff one mistake can mean one stock. Puff on the other hand can make mistakes several times over and unless the mistake is a missed rest the puff will just take some percent.
In a game that was so fluid, fast and expressive. A game that was unlike any other where you could see the personality of a person come out in a video game character. Hbox got good by utilizing puffs back air, and rest. Even for puff a much more slower character, when mango used her he tried to utilize her entire moveset while also banking on heavy reads. Mango didn't stop using Puff bc he couldn't continue winning with her, she just wasn't what makes melee so great.
Nowadays though, Hbox actually has put in the time and learned all the in and outs of his character so you gotta give the man props. But considering how less volatile his character is in today's meta, being able to be so incredibly technical so consistently is the more impressive feat. Even Hbox himself would admit to this.
@Medic If you play cast and technical so consistently, you have to hope to knock the enemy out fast. If you fail to deal significant damage, you get subjected to a rope-a-dope and you have no answer because your fingers are tired.
@IllusionistsBane that's not how melee works at all. It's obvious you don't play from what you said alone. Your fingers aren't what gets tired when you play a technical character, if anything you'll feel it in your wrists. If you don't actually understand how matchups work in melee why on earth are you gonna pretend you do and make up some nonsense about "knocking the enemy out fast" like this Streetfighter or Marvel v Capcom.
Especially when you're talking to someone who's been playing and watching competitive melee for over 7 years.
@Chase Osu! btw I've never heard someone call a melee player a "tryhard." And it's not so much being tired as it is just general wrist pain. That's what happens when you play a high APM kind of game though.
@Chase Osu! I came here originally to try and educate people, maybe give a little bit more insight. That guy tried to counter some of what i was saying as if he understands the game when he clearly doesn't... Obviously I'm not gonna have any part of that.
I think the impressive thing about Mango is when you learn how he came up in the scene. He was a puff in a sea of Marth and Fox. And he just dominated .. without trying seemingly. He has some of the most aggressive playstyle and when people adapted to it.. he learned and changed and got even better.
He's a dick and arrogant... But God he's good
Same with HBox, he is a bloody incredible player and the only reason I ever enjoy seeing him lose is because it means more people are getting that good.
@Medic Not only with how technical Fox and Falco are, but that they are so popular every single person knows how to fight against them. Knows how to cheese them. Knows how to get easy gimp kills on them. Only 1 guy plays Puff at a competitive level worthy of being in the top 10 of players, and he doesn't play casual sets with anyone, so no one can practice. 2Saint also plays Puff, but he's just nowhere near as good as any of these competitors so practicing against him doesn't mean much when you are very much playing an entire different game against Hbox's Puff. Seeing Hbox in bracket a single time in a tournament means the only practice you get on puff is the 3-5 games once a month or once every 2 months or 3 months, etc. And you might not even face Hbox in every single tournament you go to.
@Poxx I was trying to compare the whole "sick but lost" vs "lame yet won" thing to the Muhammad Ali vs George Foreman boxing match. The Rumble in the Jungle one.
If you want to win while being sick, that is, with ludicrous APM, you have to defeat them quickly. If you, for some reason, fail to leverage your APM to win, with your opponent weathering the blows just fine, you end up like George Foreman in Round 8.
@aww awe you sound reasonable, so maybe you can enlighten me:
IF jigglypuff was so strong, how comes there is no other in the pro scene? My knowledge is literally only from this vid, but this arguement seems to stay very VERY valid. Some of the player who ache desperatly for wins should have an easy time getting some success with 'puff, right?
And i really want to know about the "technical demand" of fox/falco. Because the way i see it, those are mechanics you learn, train and polish, but nothing that occupies your concentration during a game. Isn't it WAY more demanding the observe the game while playing and find clever ways to use your limited choices?
I respect the latter way more. I don't get how "yeah, I'll just do that combo, because I'm OP" is harder. (And yeah ofc, this is an exaggeration, up to an hyperbole, to try to get my point across here!)
It's sad that Hungrybox has had such a sad life. And it's sad that his only support in life has a community that hates him just because of his playstyle. But I personally really like the guy, his rage becomes justifiable when you see just what he's been through. It's pretty much personal. While I myself don't like popping off, I understand why he does. And I appreciate it. He may be crude, but except for his past edge, he's really not that bad. Once again, nobody knows him too well. Except for Captain crunch and his close friends. So I can't verify what he's like exactly, but he's never struck me as an inherently bad person unlike what the melee community thinks. Along with that, his dedication and pure mental fortitude is extremely respectable.
TL;DR I respect HBox alot. His personality becomes justified when you learn about him.
@Dashinix Nekalai I think this is what it is to master gaming itself. To see that there is life beyond the official "meta." For this reason, i find this video i just stumbled on incredibly inspiring. I'd love to know about these "hbox stories" to know if trying to turn this guy into an icon outside of smash is a good idea.
@Dashinix Nekalai Not only did he make his own Meta, he molded the meta into something never before seen, forcing everyone else to go back to the drawing board and start from essentially square one. That's masterful.
Man I had no idea who this guy was, you kept me glued to the screen for an hour and a half, cheering and hoping he would win his first evo. Seriously one of the best channels on youtube and the best damn series in youtube
And it goes into the history of Ken and MewTwoKing.
I know why the melee community HATES Hungrybox. They hate change and they want to fit in with streetfighter and Fatel Fury. So having H-box play a character that defines all of that AND is #1 3 times in a row? It's shameful of this community
Seems like the smash community needs to grow a pair, stop sleeping with their lifesize plushies and... GIT GUD.
I really don't see why so much hate for HBox.. Like for real.. I don't see anyone else in the community that is bashing HBox, grind out the time of getting to the level where he is today. Just like the Crab Mentality, toxicity will breed toxicity. The community needs an attitude check, lol.
He was the villain and that’s what makes him so great, when an entire community hates you and you rise above it is better than a hero winning with everyone behind them and he really is a good guy but because he’s “boring” he’s hated in the melee community but without that hate he might have never been a legend
I always saw him as the hero because I was a Kirby main simply because I love Kirby more than any other Nintendo character and all my fucking friends played Fox and Falco and I had to endure those furry fucks for years. Then I see this guy playing Jigglypuff wrecking Fox and it put a smile on my face. Same with Armada with Peach (until he betrayed her and went to the dark side by switching to Fox).
I have to say, after hearing how much the Melee community shit on Hungrybox, just seeing that kid at the end give him a huge hug even after beating him makes my heart happy. He's showing the right amount of respect, even in the face of victory.
Holy shit. I can't imagine what it must've been like to be one of, if not the best player of all time and just be bodied by a random kid who showed up because his family happened to walk by
who just caries around a dead crab? Is that like a maryland thing cuz i grew up crabbing a lot on barnegat bay and never just carried around dead crabs
This dude just balanced his real life and his gaming life. What an absolute magnificent man. All the criticism and hate probably came from those who are jealous at someone who's just amazing.
This is actually a freaking masterpiece, I went into this expecting misinformation, and I went out blown away. I have new-found respect for hbox because of you.
I respected him alot like when he looks at opponents controller to see which way they DI. Anything to win even of it makes tournaments harder to organize because of the extra CRTs from playing side to side being not viable if your opponent cheats and looks at which way you DI.
Probably countless comments like mine, but the quality of this piece makes me want to leave a comment anyway:
Masterful documentary sir, I don’t even play or watch smash, but the way you tell this story made me watch this whole video in one go. You have great skill in telling a story and putting it in a video, thanks for putting this online!
Weak sauce. I watched it twice, in full. ;) I've not even heard of the game before, but it was awe-inspiring. I actually checked out Hungrybox afterwards and I'm glad to see he's doing much better since the whole crab incident. I can relate to a lot of his struggles, too, so this documentary did hit me right in the feels.
People that hate someone just because they play a character they dont like need some help. I have a lot of respect for HungryBox and love his content, screw everyone that hates him just because he plays Jigglypuff. #Respectthepuff
Gideon Reszka that’s why he’s so great he wants to be hated, he wants the fuel to be able to destroy his competition and that’s why he might be the best melee player ever, not only being a villain but rising above all the odds to be the best
I agree, and I have just a sliver of personal experience with this mentality as a unitless control player in every card game ever made. Reactive, slow, defensive playstyle just like Jigglypuff. Facing constant nerfs forcing me to rebuild strategies, decklists, and lines of play. All the while nearly every community universally agrees my playstyle kills games, drives away players, and is unfun to play, play against, and watch. Exactly what the melee community continues to (falsely) scream at Hbox.
But you know what, that makes everything all the sweeter when you win piloting a small pink sphere who takes a nap mid combat to KO their opp. Keep on proving them wrong, you beautiful, beautiful Box
Puff is annoying, and has a low skill cap compared to almost every character in the game. His character is obnoxious, and his personality is obnoxious. Honestly the praise he gets is largely undeserved.
Good, do it. I'm personally not a fan of hungrybox, but he is a good guy and deserves more love than he gets. I also think he basically wants to be mango, which by that I mean he wants to be liked by the community but because of his character choice everyone gives him shit. Honestly smash is the most hype I get when watching esports, even when I use to play amateur Dota 2 tournaments I would never get as hype as I do watching smash tournaments. If you haven't already done this, you should watch some melee tournaments from the past couple years.
Never before have I seen a player who has the ability to be patient, strategic, persevere and posses sheer fucking will, and still respect each and every player he has come across, be like Hungry Box
When I was a kid I played every character except jigglypuff. I thought she was useless, and some of my favorites are apparently mid-tier or trash. So when I saw that someone was beating obnoxious/monotonous fox mains with her I was amazed. Hbox singlehandedly made Melee interesting again, to someone who only ever saw the game as a stale meme. He has my whole-hearted support. I hope the disgusting levels of pettiness and butt-hurt in this community reach more tolerable levels in the future.
@Trickyy lmao the people who say those things are people who are not inside of the community, hungrybox gets a lot of hate that is extremely unwarranted but it's really fucked up to call an entire community things that just simply aren't true. I promise look deeper into the community that so many attention seeking zoomers like to shit on and you'll see how actually welcoming and kind the community is. The melee community as changed the lives of thousands of people and it's a way more tight knit community than the majority of other games. The reason why this community as the reputation it has is because of just overall how passionate the community is. You will struggle to find any other game that has such a passionate community and sure that means some people are assholes and extreme about it, like every passionate community but to just shit on it when you're so uninformed is just obnoxious.
@Kevin Velasco you do understand that they didn't say the community was toxic or evil right? They said they hope the level of toxicity and butt-hurt fueled hate dials itself back to more agreeable standards. That doesn't mean they think that the community as a whole is bad, just that those that are toxic, or use that form of attitude can grow past it. This makes your entire "arguement" completely fall apart as they aren't actually attacking anyone, they just want people to grow past that stage. And from the looks of it, you need to grow quite a bit yourself.
I'm impressed that Hungrybox was studying engineering at the same time as being a pro. Hungrybox's mental fortitude is unbreakable. This is also parallel to Rangchu maining Panda and beating the best in Tekken 7 when the meta is devil jin. Amazing stuff, you love to see it!
@Cameron Newman too true, you can't shake a stick without hitting a bucket of the things out here. Though the tournament being in Laurel is hilarious to me as Laurel is one of the danker cities of Maryland.
Never played SSB, never heard of Hungrybox, YT recommends me this video. But this was a great video, and damn, I respect Hungrybox, the willpower and dedication he has is amazing. F*ck the haters.
I have mad respect for his accomplishments and he deserves the recognition of them. He had school and a job? Dude... I can barely make my own damn dinner after working a measly 6 hours...
I have mad respect for a man who kept fucking picking up the controller and trying. He stayed true to his dream and made it happen. I've played smash. Every character is hard to beat everyone with. Some matchups are advantageous but a skilled player doesn't care and wins anyway. I have lost to the point of rage and thrown my controller - I legit do NOT have what it takes to be the best because I couldn't do the hardest thing, stay focused, stay clear headed and keep trying.
Excellence in any field should be respected. Period.
It's quite admirable and impressive that he was able to rise to the top while completing a difficult degree (not like he was majoring in communications or something) and then holding a full-time job. That takes a lot of work and dedication, his entire life must have been go to work, come home, play melee, sleep, rinse and repeat. Definitely deserves respect for that feat.
After being in all of them, I can assuredly say I hate at least 80% of all the communities.
SF fans deserve capcom's treatment of them MK fans deserve styles getting cut GG fans deserves getting STRIVE'D BB fans deserve getting TAGGED Ultimate fans deserve their shitty online and their pedophiles Melee fans deserve losing Armada and viewership Tekken deserves their balance getting destroyed by stylish old men uni.... actually the uni community is pretty cool. Unless you're a phonon player then you can suffer forever in the CLR nerfs.
@Turbo Geschwindigkeit I only really liked melee for its history. Or to the hip kids how 2B2T players like the server for its rich history and culture (haha am I right 😎)
Tbh the toxicity is kinda of what’s makes the FGC what it is.if it was all nice and squeaky clean it wouldn’t be the same and the stories wouldn’t be nearly as juicy
Jason Alvarado honestly just come to the MK/NRS community. Pretty clean for the most part. The worst youll get is disagreements in tiers for characters but mostly civilized
@Turbo Geschwindigkeit you said "all of the communities" but you didn't mention DoA, Skullgirls or KoF ? (and im hesitating to also mention DBFZ, though i might catch some FGC flak for mentioning that one since its more casual than the rest)
also the unist community holds up well because they stick together, and they stick together because everyone else in the FGC hates them (perhaps because their game is actually somewhat balanced, or the fact that its basically fate:bootleg the anime the game) - they're pretty much like the furry community of the FGC (and boi im gonna catch flak for that too ^^)
@Chris Theophilus Yes she will be. She'll finally have normal damage instead of ridiculously high damage for how versatile she is. And now her 66B shenanigans aren't free anymore because fireball has less blockstun. Finally, she's a normal character.
@Lexou Duck I cut them out for brevity's sake but sure,
Samsho players deserve their awful online and not getting Gen'an back DBFZ players deserve their constantly diminishing relevancy Skullgirls deserves getting killed for a game that had no direction whatsoever Samsho deserves their awful online and Gen'an not coming back, ever KoF... has had nothing bad happen to them actually. Aside from graphics, KoF14 was a relatively solid entry, especially compared to say, 11 and 13. DoA deserves getting their jiggle physics removed for forgetting their CORE VALUES
It’s 4:30 am. This popped up in my recommendations and I watched the entire thing. I don’t play smash. Just love games. And this video was put together with an insane level of production quality. I watched more for the commentary and story telling than any interest in ssb. whoever you are you’re amazing but to work as hard as you do I know you know that already. Would have loved to hear that Gainesville story. I guess the world will never know. Can you do more of these on different game related subjects or was this the product of a love for ssb? Either way keep up the good work. Liked and Subbed.
I actually saw HungryBox at a grocery store in Gainesville last week. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
What I find incredible is playing the same character for more than ~10 years, and about half of those years resulted in many major defeats, but still kept playing, learning, and adapting. Perfect example is at 40:44. One of Armada's biggest losses resulted in him picking up another character in a heartbeat without question. Props to you for sticking to one character for so long even after being defeated countless times and the abuse that followed and follows too. Hey you must be doing something right since you are living in people's minds rent free.
I'm shocked that I decided to watch this video the whole way through. But even as someone who doesn't pay any attention to eSports, I will say this was genuinely interesting! It's a shame Hungrybox gets treated like so much shit for no reason.
As somebody who knew absolutely nothing about this community before watching this video. Bravo, its cool how one can tell the story of a community through the lense of one amazing person.
Your editting and soundtrack choices and Hungrybox's gameplay make this video a masterpiece. Breathtaking for a YouTube video.. Shoutouts to Captain Crunch too, that bit was movie-level inspiring
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Blue Ninja2021-12-11 22:16:48 (edited 2021-12-18 04:13:57 )
So happy to see this video continue to find success and people even rewatching over and over. It truly it amazing what EMP lemon created and the story of Hbox is also something so inspirational. I hope all of you have a good day and joy to the Hbox fans.
I'll play this game for 20 more years if that's what it takes to be the best player in the world. Tha't the words of a person that truly had already win. Great to see that determination. Cheers from Guatemala Hbox.
43years old me thanks you for this video. I played once, maybe twice melee (i did not liked it) although i started my gamers life via atari and zx spectrum. So i never knew about this tournaments and neither Hbox. Yet your video got me stuck till the end: nice way setting the point, introducing the characters (5 gods etc) and documentary like style !! Well done and once more : Thanks !! (greetings form Greece)
I've always loved Hungrybox. Dude said fuck the meta, fuck the other gods, and plays a toxic af character out of sheer stubborn determination. Dude is so hard-headed and talented at being hard-headed that it's inspiring
Wow I was going through some heavy stuff (i.e. break ups, betrayal from friends and family issues) and because of this video and my love for smash I won't give up because I've been playing smash since I was in day care and now I'm the best in my group and because of Hbox I feel like I cant give up even if the hardships make me want to. Much appreciation to players like Hbox and to the creator of this video. I feel like again smash bros has saved me.
This was well made. I started playing Smash when the n64 came out with my cousin. We became great players (not pros) on Melee. Despised Brawl. Loved Project M but was too fast for my cousin to enjoy. I didn't bother with anything else. Always told my cousin that we should hold tournaments, this was back in 2002, right after high school. Respect to Hungrybox, underrated, underdog, and under appreciated. Hungybox deserves respect.
Well done @emplemon, i have been a smash bros fan since the beginning, and played competitively at my locals. i never got really far, but some of my friends advanced to higher levels of play. Smash bros has been a unifying force amongst my friends when we were young, and though many of us don't compete these days, it's still a lot of fun.
my exp with smash players has been generally positive, though i recognize there are a lot of salty, smelly jerks in this community. i'm glad you showed the different sides of hbox's rise to the top. Thanks for making this.
Thank you kindly @EmpLemon for that very interesting, well-written, well-produced video. Very happy the algorithm brought me here, and thank you again for educating me on a game and its e-sport side I never really looked into.
The first documentary that I actually watched all the way through. I regret none of it. This was one of the most inspiring stories I've ever heard, and it's driving me mad that I can't like and listen to it for the first time all over again.
If you want more content like this about smash, look up Melee Stats' "Michael vs Bananas -The Only Reason we Play Melee" It's super good and a good next step if you're interested in learning more about the community.
i had no intention of watching the whole thing, just to have it on as background noise as I clean my room and roll a joint, but holy shit this was so well made it made the hour and a half seem like minutes
This video is amazing. Well researched and presented. But my takeaway from it all is this... Wow. People dedicated their entire lives to a game I've hardly even heard of. Takes all colours to make a rainbow I guess...
Hbox, if you ever read this, know that I never looked at the Smash competition past my city, but I would have loved to fight you, wished I would have known my beloved game had a second breath, and would have supported you from the bottom of my heart, and clapped at the tournaments to encourage you and celebrate your victories <3 I can't believe the louder part of the community hated you will all the fervor they were giving to smash, they inputed their personnal value onto you for egocentric reasons, not doing what they should have done and choosing the easy way instead of doing the only real thing to do, wich is, confronting you in a good fashion match like we always do to settle arguments ^^
I don't watch esports and I don't care about normal sports. But this has me invested like the season finale of a really good sports anime- there are tears in these eyes!
Awaesome video! You showed how a single person may important to an entire community even though this same community is toxic and treat others as human beings that struggle hard to be good and still must be prepared mentally to deal with stuff that wasn't supposed to deal... Anyway, for a long time I don't follow Melee scenario but I really love this game and what these "Gods" made of it, it's incredible... I'm sure HBox is a genius, he wasn't always full time melee player even though was able to never give up and improve himself to be the best! Then he did it! He deserved it! Nice job, HBox!
Your the man Hbox. I can't imagine how shitty it is taking all that hate but there's still tons of fans out there that respect what you've done! Your a GOAT, that's just a fact.
i always liked hbox from the music he listened to on streams. Also the people that like to whine can just pick up a controller and try settling things that way, otherwise they can disappear. it applies with anything.
I don't really keep up with gaming but my brothers made me watch EVO with them just to see Hungrybox in the finals, because they knew it was drama & history in the making. They listed off all these reasons for not liking Hungrybox, basically word-for-word exactly what was said in the vid. I liked HB just because I thought it took a fun personality and huge cahones to play only Jigglypuff. In the end, I was fortunate to watch HB win against Armada & win against Mango. His emotional response convinced me that there is no way he was as arrogant as everyone said, and then when he mentioned that comment by his father during the interview, it made me feel even more for him. Learning now that he got through schooling and became an engineer makes me respect him even more!! I'm not much, but I will always be a HungryBox fan lol. Anyway. Amazing documentary!! Well said and well structured. Thanks for all the effort put in!
I went to quickly watch the fight of Ken vs cpu (the 14 year old). Ken threw the second match so hard, messed up his recovery twice, but then cpu juking more ultimates than Ken could land, that's very good reading from the kid's part
The Melee community allows a Fox player to be toxic while also condemning Hungrybox for doing somewhat the same thing. And alot of other stuff. And the Melee community wonders why they're the most hated.
I know its unlikley Hungrybox ever reads this, but still i got great Respect for your Achievements - Besides RL still on the Top isnt a easy thing to do and all that hate towards you and still, keep it still Rolling earns you my Respect. Hope all good for you - Some random internet Gaming Nerd
Hbox vs armada us the most hype set of melee ever, don't even try to change my mind
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SQUIRT GANG 🥵2021-12-16 01:07:23 (edited 2021-12-16 01:08:33 )
@1:06:40 I did this on SMITE with the character Neith, in 2016 and 2017 I finished rank 1 in the world leaderboards across all consoles/PC for KDR, Matches won, and Ranked matches won. EVERYBODY gave me shit because they said I was only using the “easiest character in the game”, but the way I look at it, if I’m the best at using the easiest character, doesn’t that mean I’m the best at the basic fundamentals of the game?
Had no intention of watching this, but in the end i stayed because all of this was like watching me growing up. So much hate so much cruelty, kids are so cruel. And then we grow up :) thx
this video is incredible and I like that even people that don’t even really know that much about Mile or the smashing can watch this and still enjoy it fucking incredible video and I feel like this video was for those types of people the people who don’t really know that much about the smashing I’m glad that appeals to them
1:16:43 what really pisses me off is that, even with stuff like quarter circles, Melee is STILL better than other fighting games. Melee actually DOES require semi-precise turns for stuff like shield drops, wave shines, and smash di. As a game programmer, it is really simple to program in combos that need those semi-turns. The problem arises with the fact that some of those turns if done badly enough, won't register. Melee fixes that because there is nothing in the game to necessarily read those turns, thus resulting in more natural flowing gameplay. Melee IS sick.
So wait... is throwing a crab at someone like an ultimate disrespect in competetive video gaming? I mean, sure it's not nice to be thrown at with anything, much less a hard shelled crustacean with sharp claws but like my personal reaction woulda been manic laughter after such an absurd thing. Granted I'm 5:50 into the video so maybe it'll all make sense if I keep watching
Jigglypuff is Smash Bros on hard mode. Jigglypuff's best move makes it goes to sleep for 3 seconds and has one of the slowest movement speeds in the game. The fact this dude took puff to the top makes him a king. All these puds contributing to the thousands of Fox-bots are the real losers.
as someone who was irrelevant to Smash, in my perspective, Hungrybox was a god who doesn't need faith or beliefs he aint a god anymore but as the concept itself.
@DarthNiko Games man, that moment hits differently, idk why, HB waiting for the fistbump, and almost dropping it, you can it see in his eyes, he didnt know if iBDW is gonna be a good sport and fistbump or just hyped to rub it on his face. it felt like HB was disappointed to many times in the community, but still had hope, he kept following iBDW's hand with his eye to maybe confirm the fistbump, but then he got the hug. im telling u it feels different.
I don't get it at all. You're going to actually hate a person and make stuff up about him, just because the character he picked isn't one you like? And he's the only one in the top rankings who's even good with that character? I don't know about you, but those fights did NOT look boring to me. Keep it up, HBox.
Wow, I never knew any of this... Fucking ridiculous how people think Hungrybox is bad because he plays Jigglypuff, yet no one can get near his level with the character. Also, people really do need to think what is going on through peoples lives before hating them. Hearing Hungrybox's backstory hurt me, and I never even knew of him before this video.
Played this game a bit long time ago, I am the best player in the world at Splinter Cell Blacklist so I can relate to a lot of this. Sounds like he plays Jigglypuff because it is the slowest. Fast paced characters require over commitment to their attacks leaving themselves open to counter attacks. It is harder to guess what your opponent is going to do when they move slow, when they move fast there are limitations on what they can do and where they can go. He seems to kick them down and grab the ledge so his opponent can't.
That's a big simplification of the game's meta, but not wholly inaccurate. I will say that fox usually has many more effective movement options available to him at a given time than puff, but puff is able to remain defensive due to her insanely good air speed and big spacing. Puff isn't the slowest character in the game in all facets (that honor is given to Bowser).
We have a saying where I live that "forever is a bad rep owned" I'm sure many of those that are low enough to take a jab at someone they don't really know just because it makes them feel part of something don't even know what they are talking about or why they do it, I've never played Melee, but I'm a Hungrybox fan, the underdog that showed other geeks that it's possible, and who persisted through the hate and hardship. Hats off to you Hbox. And good job on a very thorough and detailed documentary.
Just an outsider looking in on this, but I wonder if they hated him because he was playing as Gigglypuff and it just seems like he's just trolling everyone.
Hbox, rather than being boring to watch, is actually what got me interested in watching melee in the first place. Just having eyes made it really clear there wasn't a single other puff player like him, I don't think I ever saw a puff vs puff matchup in fact because no one at least post-2015 got far in tournament with it besides him. Puff vs puff DOES look boring, but if it's so hard to make the character viable I don't think there's any problem other than Hbox being hard to beat for other top players.
This is why you don't make a "documentary" while something is still happening. This video is already outdated. Hbox will always be one of the gods and the way he was treated is inexcusable but not really a suprise because it's the same at all levels in the smash community.
Wow imagine hating om someone so much that you write a whole toxic message because he did something as little and checking his watch. If he's so bad at the game and is being carried by jigglypuff then all those people talking trash should just beat him in a set if it's THAT easy
just wanted to say, i play smash here and there with friends. not really interesting to me. however i watched this video in its entirety. and as a pikachu player i salute hungrybox. they say you are boring to watch? on the contrary. as a professional TCG player. im just going to say, its much more boring to watch everyone play the same exact thing. AKA fox. so for you to be the top with a character nobody plays? respect, and if i ever find myself at a smash event look for the guy shouting the loudest for you. itll probably be me. wish you the best
I saw Hungrybox at a grocery store in Florida yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
@Jesse Maldonado Man, Project M is such a fantastic mod. Instead of knocking down everything into low-tier like Brawl did, it elevates almost every character into top-tier status.
@Jesse Maldonado such a shame to find that out years ago hahah. I’m a casual player since the game came out, never took it too seriously. I ended up maining a lot of underdogs like Peach, Zelda or .. Mewtwo lol. Come to find years later my pro smash player friends would criticize the absolute shit out of me when playing with me and constantly mock me for any choice. I knew they would beat me but Jesus Christ a lot of my smash friends are highly toxic and wayyyyy too cocky
This was inspirational. This came at just the right time for me to find it, at a pretty tough time in my own personal journey. Thanks to Hungrybox, and EmpLemon.
Same here. Grandfather died near the end of last year, Jan 1 I broke my arm (makes it impossible to do some of my work), Jan 25 I found out I was locked out of work and dismissed, and though there are a few other things, that’s enough.
I may have an opportunity to use what I’ve learned to strike out on my own though... That takes a lot of determination. It’s hella intimidating! And right now, it’s kind of all or nothing. But HBox’s story (as told by EmpLemon) is JUST what I needed at this moment!
Hope you also find the clutch determination to pull through!! 👍👍
I always LOVED Heel Hungrybox, that was a genius move. Frankly, people hating him was just fucking hilarious. It's a game for kids and he learned how to dominate everyone at it, no matter how much they practiced. And they hated him for it.
@Dankish_Gamer-669 melee was and will forever be, a game designed for children as the primary audience. This is why Nintendo refused to acknowledge any competition. Doubling down on that with Brawl, they made mechanics to create an even more kid friendly game.
@Dankish_Gamer-669 It is a game for kids, the thing is adults can enjoy a game designed for kids. Humans are complex enough that they can enjoy things designed for older and younger groups.
He’s actually well known in the community for being super nice, knowledgeable and helpful. Not at all what you expect from someone called Dr. Peepee lmfao
Lol, this line was a bit cringe. Mango was never lower than number six and these days he's arguably second best in the world and can beat almost anyone in the world other than hbox.
More commonly these days people talk about the "old five" gods and the "new gods" like Zain and wizzy etc.
I honestly expected to treat this as a recommendation to poke through and abandon, but what I discovered was a heartfelt story with a strong emotional ride with very good pacing, coherence and ability to keep you engaged, with all the side-threads being relevant. You are really good at telling stories in a compelling manner. I was a Fox main in Smash64, but the playground and with Smash64 is where my career ended, thank you for showing me the history of the game I always envied others for having. And whilst I expected to root for Armada (Swe pride!) I sure took a strong liking to and felt as though Hungrybox really resonated with me. (Plus, Hungrybox is really handsome - not gonna lie) As well as ?CPU? of course, who faced unjust backlash for wanting to have fun, i’m sure. Really good movie. I hope you also face great success in your future. I didn’t even skip forward for the entire movie, but I did backtrack more than once. If this is not a testament to quality in this attention deficit digital age, I do not know what is.
Armada's story is cool as well, I would encourage you to look it up. He got a fair amount of hate as well at his prime, on account of being one of the very few great European smashers.
TheStrangeBloke Thank you for your response and your recommendation! I will be sure to do that. I was in competitive Pokémon for a while (among other things, inner crew of the founding of Smogon), and as a European, I remember the feeling of being an outsider and underdog in that sense, being made to represent a country or a continent.
EDIT: That said, I was hardly one of the, hm, very best. Recognised at the time, sure, but my immaturity at the time showed. :)
Been invested in Melee a few years now, I personally knew most of the info that was gonna play out in here, but you did an incredible job weaving it into an entertaining story and defense of Hbox. Judging from other comments though, this video looks to be shaping up to be another boon to Melee’s growth, you’ve clearly touched a lot of people both in and outside of the community.
I cant pay attention to a video for more than 2 minutes. How did i watch a hour and a half documentary on a video game I dont play. This was written like a masterpiece.
Just wait til ya watch the smash brothers documentary and suddenly 9 hrs of your life disappears. I havent played melee in probably more than a decade, but I've watched the doc twice all the way through. So good
43:28: Brilliant use of the Richard III quote. Great summation of Hbox's progression, and a good reference to an established text. Your videos are aging like fine wine.
@aww awe No one said anything about that. Watch the video before you comment something. The whole point the video creator made is that people disregard Melee. And the Melee community disregards Hungrybox. They treat Hungrybox the same way everyone else treats Melee.
I have to get this off my chest. I've watched melee for years on and off and at first I wasn't too fond of Hbox. He played slow and methodical and it really halted the fast pace action of the game down.
At first I was like the rest of the detractors and thought he just played campy to help get his wins, but then I actually stopped and thought about it. People complain about him being campy and playing boring because he forces the opponent to slow and play at his pace. He controls the tempo of the match. If you play all aggro and try to zerg him down, he'll punish your flubs and just get you more and more frustrated. He forces you to pay at HIS pace. When you see people actually play well against him, they tend to somewhat mimic his playstyle and it becomes a tense game where the first person to make the slightest hiccup gets punished hard. I get so anxious watching and it's really exciting to me.
The more I watched the more I started to like it. It's nice to watch a different style of melee gameplay when Hbox is part of the match. He was one of my favorite players even before Emp posted this amazing vid. (Mad props to you Emp. you've earned my sub.)
That's just my two cents. Keep on doing your thing Hbox. Haters gonna hate, but at least you have all the W's.
Perfect analysis. And it's actually what made players like Ken and Mango so dominant. Controlling the pacing of the match, either by being amazingly aggressive while still technical like Mango, or properly spacing and punishing mistakes like Ken.. is what makes a great competitor.
And joenstly watching HBox got me into Puff. And while simple she is by no means some "free win" character people like Leffen seem to make it out. She wasn't considered top tier for so long for a reason and is still so rare in the top 50 for that same reason. It's hard to learn pacing and patience and HBox is a master of it.
I'll be honest that I'm not a big Jigglypuff guy but I want more other characters like Mario or Link. (Low tiers) to have a chance or maybe a tournament with just the low tiers for Melee. I think Fox and Bayonetta (Smash 4) makes things boring and homogeneous.
Honestly, even if a campy gameplay gets you the wins, it's not the fault of the player, but the fault of the game design. And if others don't want to adapt to the game, they have no reason to complain.
Here's my opinion. He's the Floyd Mayweather of Melee. Everyone hates Mayweather because he fights technical. He's not flashy, he doesn't go all out for the KO or bust. What he will do, is fight within the rules of winning and tech you every time. People hate that, because they think his fighting is "boring". Newsflash, fighting for 36 minutes isn't easy and isn't fun. It takes a lot to be able to not only last that long physically, but also think the entire time and keep track of what you need to do to win by decision.
After a solid year of playing the game, I can safely say that it isn’t much worse than any other gaming community. If your only exposure to it was this video and memes I could understand why you think that.
@ no problem mate, i suggest you should stop trolling. people will take their opinions to the extreme even if it means to harm others. don't want any harm to fall upon you, right mate?
Granted I know very little about esports but in real sports defense is what wins not something akin to a “sick” rating or whatever lol…. People should just get over the fact being defensive is a legitimate plan
Where've you been, man, we've been waiting for you. Check out ArchiveSaus's videos to get up to date with all the sick stuff that's happened in Melee these last couple of years. There's also the online (casual and ranked) melee scene via Smashladder if you want to check that out and actually play the game with people.
Hungrybox is my favorite melee player. I must say though, I think it's not stressed enough how much there actually is high risk in his play. At the end of the game, when he's got the up throw mix-up and presses down b, Hungrybox ends the game. Who he ends it for is entirely dependent on his skill, but that excruciating moment is completely his to hit, and there's nothing more exciting than the tension brought to the table by the omnipresent threat of rest.
Hungrybox is a true legend. Back in the day every time one of the 5 gods lost a match it was like jesus had risen. Now all the pressure is on Hungrybox.
To me, smash is a game that me my friends play whenever we hang out, some of my best friends were made from just striking off conversations on our mains or strategies. I had known of the hated toward Juan, but never understood why, and have never bothered to find out more about both sides. Obviously only watching this won't tell me everything about Juan but the insight given definitely sparked interest and sympathy.
Seriously, EmpLemon is like one of the old titans of youtube lore. You're like the embodiment of the "Wild West" energy Old Youtube used to have. I salute you, sir.
I've Never Ever watched your videos before, but this one was in my recommended. And I must say, not only was the editing glorious but that ending had me in tears. I don't follow competitive smash, but this video made me care and want to learn more.
I'm sure that was your intention. You've done well.
Raw crab I don't think so you never would know unless you from Maryland or east cost we famous for blue crabs and after you cook them they will turn red If it was raw then it would be alive still
I think HBox could've been a successful man without ever playing melee, he has put in a lot of effort in other parts of his life. Sure, he'd not be in the melee community, but he would certainly be in another community that might be just as fulfilling in another way. So, in my opinion, he didn't need melee, although he totally belongs there today. I think the reverse is not true, however: Melee needed and still needs HBox. Even if it wasn't his goal or intention, he was a crucial part of developing the meta of the game. He is a major threat as an opponent, and everybody needed to up their game in order to stay relevant as competitors. And since he plays a character few others play at this high of a level, he tests his opponents skills at a different level. The amount of effort put into trying to beat his puff has pushed fox and other character's gameplay to a significant degree and this might not have happened if he wasn't around.
@A3 There's two sides to this story, on one side, you are playing competitive, you are trying you're hardest to win, therefore you should be entitled to play as lame as you want. On the other side, if you are a top player, you're source of income as a full-time player is to promote the popularity of the game, whether you want to or not, if people stop caring about melee, you can't make a living off of it, which means that as unfair as it might be, it is your responsibility to make melee popular and make the scene keep going, melee is born and raised in fast paced combo game and crazy movements, that's what people want to see, that's why people are still watching to this day, because speed limits can still be pushed. However, if every top player plays lame, laser camps, ledge camps, times out, the scene would die slowly but surely, and as a top player, it is YOUR responsibility to prevent that from happening if you want to make a living off of it. That's why I think hate for Hbox as a competitor and player is stupid, however, hate for Hbox as a community representative, face, and leader, is somewhat justified because of his often controversial actions and his "lame" play style.
@Brendan Wang Literally described in the video how viewership is going up, and honestly, the sliding Fox looks boring and eh, the puff stuff I saw of a defensive character trying his best to find the crack in the onslaught of a fox was damn impressive and interesting, actually has me interested in watching the competitive scene...weird how not everyone who would make up a new viewerbase wants what only the old guard wants.
@UCzggl11OV84uzQrcU2X42kg To boil it down; if you hate the character, but not the player, then as shown in the video it is inconceivable that other people wouldn't become puff mains to win. It's a sport, some people will play underhandedly to win if they know it can carry them.
If you hate HBox, but not the character, then I would ask where was any love for a person at the start in order to make it so he wasn't a pariah? Stuff like Pro-Wrestling loves having villains, and good villains make the show interesting to the fanbase (which I am not part of, didn't quite click), but when vitriol rains on a player, I can't say that any respect is owed in return if we can then turn around to see other actors not reaching that toxicity despite their foul actions.
Either HBox isn't a bad person and irrational hate is given to a character when it's obviously not killing the sport, or the character itself isn't bad and HBox is being held to an extreme others aren't.
@Dusty Stuff Well if the game dies he can't make money off of it anymore, so yes, it's kind of his responsibility to not let that happen. He's not the only one responsible, but he will suffer the consequences.
@Dusty Stuff It doesn't matter if he wants the responsibility or not, but if the game dies, he won't be able to make money off of it anymore. He will suffer the consequences of the game dying. And he/jigglypuff has make other players quit or want to quit or just play puff puff (i mean M2K has done it), so he is responsible for hurting the game, even if it's insignificant. Ultimately, if multiple top players and personalities quit, the game dies. If every top 8 becomes a puff puff matchup, the game dies.
@Brendan Wang Did you watch the video? He hardly makes any money from the game. He would probably have made a lot more if he didn't play the game at all and stuck with his job in engineering.
He isn't a hype man. His job isn't to make matches fun. He's just a guy who consistently beats others at the game. If the community apes his style/character choice and makes the matches samey in the process, that's the communities problem.
@marioking1117 "center of it's community" should be possessive "its". It's almost like you were too lazy to get to the end of the sentence before jumping in to say get rekt.
Dusty oh I guarantee you he makes more money from winning tournaments, twitch, TL sponsorship, YouTube, and selling merch than he does in chemical engineering. He quit his job to go full time smash player, in the midst of people disliking him.
He can make like what, 200k a year from a well paid chem engineering job?
He easily makes over that with all the things he gets paid in smash.
HELL MANGO NEVER BOTHERED TO GO TO COLLEGE AND BACK BEFORE SPONSORSHIP STREAMING AND YOUTUBE WAS A THING AND HE STILL WAS GETTING BY JUST FINE JUST BY WINNING. Bruh check your facts, the video is not always trustworthy mate.
@Brendan Wang yeah no. No competitive game in history fell out of fashion because top play was too boring. Tbh I enjoy matches without fox more because every fox match looks like a spam fest to a casual. Thems the breaks
ryan dirks oh well I’m done with this argument I’ve made my point clearly no one here has been in the smash community for that long to experience it first handedly. You guys don’t know the first thing about melee and the community, so it’s like arguing against a brick wall.
@Biohazard Your opinion contradicts mine and I see no end to our squabble so I shall engage a simple 'Let us both shut up so we can get on with our meaningless lives and think that we are better than the other'.
@Biohazard don't you every say anything bad about anime I don't care what you say to be but if you say anything to anime. I wish we can meet in real life 😁
@Biohazard don't call me a normie because I am not. I'm 12 btw, started watching anime when I was 6. You just sound like any random teenager online saying 6 year old having a tantrum again. I hate when people do that you know like it nothing really special or new. You sound like a teenager girl that's saying what every the hell she wants
@Cassidy but he is no God I don't even belive in gods, if he was a weeb he going to be like "SAO is so so so good top tier anime" sao sucks dood it way too overrated go watch some good iseakia konosuba is better then sao and it pretty good not a 10/10 but a good 8/10 or 9/10
@Biohazard you just said the same thing your half age remember you said I was 6 yea saying the same thing again but sound like a diffrent thing. Also are you even a weeb or even watch anime.
@UCnPQBm7M8Yl7-ZXOllRlAbA look your trying to get out of the agreement before you even said this when you did not answer my question. I will stop if you answer both of my questions if you don't I won't stop and if you say because I'm the weeb Eliminator or something like that is not approval
@CJ So!..... You ever gonna explain? Or just leave vague comments with zero backing? As the person claiming invalidity, it's your responsibility to bring sources, facts, & explanation.
@Michael Looks Yo what if I didn't get the Notification Nigga. Chill. But anyways Most of the Things he said near the end where outright wrong or persuaded. For Example he Says Melee was Thriving and Is more popular than Smash Ultimate but proceeds to pull out a Twitch Chart. Even though SSBU gets more Views, and has more participants at Tourneys. SSBU Literally broke the EVO Viewership Record in 2019. He also Brought up that Whole Hungrybox is Melee and actual Video Game. And at this Point the Melee community started to respect Hungrybox and his Main point is there was "utter comtempt" towards Hungrybox. Though he had tons of Supporters and Fans he failed to recognize them and Its very disappointing how Bias this Video Seems. My point is He Failed to realize any good points in Hungryboxs Favour and made some Unfair Comparison. Like How he Compared Hungryboxs Earnings to probably the Most Popular Esport Ever Made, Fortnite.
I definitely put more attitude in my comment than I should have, that's my bad. Thank you for clarifying, I appreciate you actually coming back and giving the reasons for your take.
@CJ hungrybox was and is the best melee smash player in the world, period. His story is very motivating and I can relate to him so much more than shitty mango or armada.
@CJ he literally said “this documentary didn’t talk about me enough.”
And I absolutely can relate to HBox, I’ve met him, we both have college degrees and have worked/work full time jobs and I as a full time government employee have tried to play games in a competitive setting myself.
You have no idea what you are talking about, people don’t like HBox and people like me because we are the “working man” gamer, we have to work for everything that we get.
@CuriousPirate Then so could I. But you can't relate what he's had to go through. Getting constant Harrasment for the Character he plays and being in a community that actively roots against him. Getting things thrown at him and cursed out for doing something he loves. Your really annoying thinking something that dumb. 2. What does Hungrybox being spoiled and expecting more attention from the documentary have to do with anything.
@CJ you don’t know my daily work life and what I’ve put up with, me and him actually had a decent conversation one and one for a while, really nice guy. Even gave me a few jigglypuff tips, told me not to get discouraged for maining puff. And 2. He deserves all of the recognition, he is the one top players that doesn’t shit talk everyone and everything for no reason like leffen or armada.
Done responding to you now bud, I’m too busy and like I said before, I have a full time job and am busy, you aren’t going to change my mind or anyone else’s, HBox is the best and it’s great that his rise pisses you and most of the community off, he is an “Everyman” like me.
And it must really piss you off that he actually gave me some tips and told me anyone could make it to where he is with enough work. And b/w lol it’s a game man, I work a federal career, smash is a hobby. Calm down lol.
its weird advice because its both advice and discouragement. when you're at the top of what you do its the exact opposite of what you need to hear, to be complacent with your skill and that someone else is better then you always, but if you're closer to the bottom its a reminder to not set yourself so high that you forget to just be good at what you do.
Who ever says 2019 was melee’s worst year needs to watch more melee
We had the comeback of real mango Hbox was out for a lot of it We had new memes New players won their first majors Former low tiers were finally considered viable We are even beating out ultimate viewers every once in a while
@Tay Mc I saw Mango reverse 3-0 Swedish Delight, then go on to win the entire thing against Axe... at my first ever live tournament (GOML 2019, Toronto). Shit was mind blowing, and ive watched sports my whole life, so i wasnt quite expecting that level of excitement over watching games. But to see true greatness and mastery on display, is very similar to watching someone like Lebron James play basketball (ive done that too).
@Monk Killedababy Physically going to tournaments can be a game changer on your outlook on competitive gaming, especially when you get matched against players who are so incredibly far ahead of you. About 5 years ago I got bodied by Leffen, I really can't describe how much he had my number. He went on to come second only to Mango.
1:06:20 - So the "Puff Doomsday Theory" or "20FF" as you call it, reminds me of something that actually happened in professional sports: the New Jersey Devils of the National Hockey League rose to prominence in the mid-1990s with a strategy known as the "neutral zone trap", where they would routinely clog up the middle of the rink with their 5 skaters, preventing opposing teams from entering their zone at all without either dumping the puck in and trying to chase it down, or just committing a turnover instead. In 1994 the Devils rode this strategy to a sudden appearance in the Eastern Conference Finals, the 3rd round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, followed by winning the Stanley Cup itself the following year.
The strategy's sheer effectiveness at shutting down opposing offences, at a time when league scoring had been at its all-time high (the 1992-93 NHL season had been the league's highest scoring of all time to that point), combined with its simplicity, ease of implementation and use of inexpensive, interchangeable "grinders" (defensive specialist players with limited scoring ability), led to exactly what Leffen was afraid of with Jigglypuff: widespread imitation. The very next season, 1995-96, the Florida Panthers, a team that did not exist just 4 years prior, rode the trap all the way to the Stanley Cup Finals before losing to the Colorado Avalanche (itself a franchise that just a year prior called itself the Quebec Nordiques before relocation), and from there every NHL team utilized the trap in some form; by the time the NHL finally instituted rules to nerf the trap in 2005, scoring had plummeted league-wide (from 7.25 goals per game in 1992-93 to 5.1 in 2003-04, the final season of the "dead-puck era" as the period is now called) and TV ratings had fallen sharply as well (not helped by a bad TV deal with ESPN and a pair of poorly-timed labor disputes). Since then things have improved, scoring has mostly stayed higher since 2005 but especially since further rule changes in 2017.
My point with this unintentional essay is, 20FF actually happened in the NHL in the 1990s. This is what the "Puff Doomsday Theory" looks like in reality, not whatever Leffen and others think/thought was happening in the Melee scene. One unpopular player does not a ravaged competitive scene make; the entire scene would have had to copy said player for that to happen.
I have to also imagine that Hbox's other critics, the ones who say his reign is "hemorrhaging viewers" failed to keep one important thing in mind; a lesson that Hungrybox seemingly did learn at some point; the same lesson a young Muhammad Ali learned in ~1961 from a chance meeting with Gorgeous George, one of professional wrestling's earliest heels, who told him:
"A lot of people will pay to see someone shut your mouth. So keep on bragging, keep on sassing and always be outrageous."
NHL nearly got another trap scare with the Lightning's 1-3-1 strategy, but thankfully utilizing good breakout passes or a strong dump-and-chase forecheck neutralizes it.
@RekkingAura that took me 1 minute to read. Step 1. Find some really long series with at least 2k chapters in them. Then move on to advanced crime books with 2000 plus chapters and read 200 chapters a day until a year is passed. Then read this article and ull finish reading in no time.
@RekkingAura I get where you're coming for dude, so here's your TL;DR
> "Jigglypuff doomsday" where the most optimal strategy in a competitive scene is a boring stalling strat, that's also easy to implement has actually happened IRL in hockey > This strategy, from the day it was first implemented in 1995 up until 2005 when it was banned, reduced average goals in each game from ~7 to ~4, massively decreasing viewership. > The sport has then since rebounded somewhat after the ban of this strategy.
the expression tl;dr came up for a reason. It's good to be through when telling a story, but please learn to freaking write.
"If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter"
@Nmmes Wey If the "learn to freaking write" comment is aimed at the OP then all I'd say is read the many other comments praising his self proclaimed "mini essay". There weren't any major flaws with it and it's a relatively intriguing quick read about something you likely weren't aware of. Just because there wasn't a tldr doesn't make him a bad writer. Now if this wasn't at all aimed at him then simply take this as yet another tally to the support and praise for this guy's interesting fact. And perhaps I could make a snarky remark regarding your writing? ;)
I was never that into Melee and there was a few reasons for that. A lot of community gave off this very elitist attitude towards any Smash game that wasn't theirs which as a teenager who was having fun playing high school Smash 4 tournaments just came off as really shitty. Another reason was that I hated how dominant Fox was and how that was celebrated. It's annoying when a particular character completely overwhelms the meta of a fighting game. That's why I always liked Hungrybox. In a game dominated by people who switched to Fox because he was top tier HB was dedicated to an unorthodox character which made him stand out. So many people showered Mango with love, but whenever I watched Evo I rooted for HB to break the Fox meta and when he finally won with that incredible comeback it was one of the most incredible things I've seen in competitive gaming.
While yes the fox meta is very dominant. Marth,sheik, falco,falcon all can win a supermajor and at the pro level with these characters it’s more about whose the better player than character matchups So I hope you give melee a shot once more and I’m sure you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how good and fun the other characters are
Literally the only solo fox main to ever be number 1 was leffen, and it was only for a single summer. Fox has never been the meta, he's just the most popular character. Don't talk about stuff you don't know about as if you do
I'm glad how after the Smash community practically desintegrated Hungrybox is still here. It speaks volumes about a person who, despite an abusive upbringing and general rejection from audiences and fellow players, never stooped down to such a low level, as opposed to all the other chucklefucks who barely struggled and took a deep dark dive (looking at Cinniepie).
This was an absolutely FASCINATING look into a world I knew existed, but didn't know anything about. Thank you for making this, and keep up the good work!
1:21:15 sent me to tears. I’ve been really struggling recently, constantly feeling like I want to give up so hearing this broke me in a matter of seconds. This video is genuinely amazing has always been, thank you for making it and thank you to HungryBox for being such an incredible and inspiring person.
Right? I never came in contact with competitive Smash before, but after watching this video and seeing this man who has persevered for years, had so many hardships and finally got what he wanted, it's so inspiring. Brought me to tears too. That part when he wins a tournament, turns around and people are LEAVING, what he must have felt then... I don't know, so unfair. He got hate all this time and kept going, those words he said at the end meant a lot.
I remember playing melee with my brother all day sometimes. Ending up in fights or having mini tournaments with our family and friends. Literally some of the best times we ever had.
This video is INSANE. I can't even explain the feeling of being slapped in the face near the end of the video because before this I was a "Smash isn't a real fighting game" person, the way this video is scripted, narrated and edited is awesome and it makes the conclusion so satisfying, anyways, thank you for such a high quality gaming documentary
dude ive spent almost 0 minutes watching competitive smash but this vid hooked me, what a great story! even if Hungrybox never became the best i'd have massive respect for his character and fortitude, he seems like a genuinely good person. imo his haters don't understand the true spirit of competition.
This is a full on documentary, well written, and for someone who has never played melee but has been playing since brawl, I would like to say that I respect this guy and his story no matter what flaws he may come to have, as he is just like any of us, a human, and in his words, someone meant to persevere
@Hungrybox you're an amazing competitor, player and from what I've seen, an amazing person as well. Keep it up, champ, and thanks for teaching everyone here to push on through the challenges! Also, excellent video, Emp!
man, hungrybox is a true champ. Crunch deserves some huge props too. being there for someone who is so lost and hurt takes a special kind of individual.
wow, just wow! I am an avid video games myself, an although I have never had an interest for Super Smash Bros Melee, in these whole 1 hour and 24 minutes you kept me engaged every minute, this was super fun to watch, big kudos to you for this documentary and for redeeming Hungrybox's reputation for posterity, I would say this here 6,400,000 views definitely does it for him!
I know nothing about Smash Melee. But after watching this video, the only thing I can say is, mad respect for that guy. Also, really well made documentry. You earned a subscriber, my friend.
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Thiện Ng Thế2021-12-05 09:10:33 (edited 2021-12-05 09:10:59 )
I come from an another game community, but I gotta say I'm totally inspired and brighten up with this guy's story. It's not just about gaming but in life and stuff as I'm in my hard times in studies and work.
Thank you Emp for making this video and thank you HBox for not giving up through the years to inspire many with your story.
Wow, I'm glad I came across this video. It was a journey for sure! I just can't imagine how it would feel all that resistance and even when reaching the top, all that hostility and lack of respect and appreciation... But hooooly cow, that technical play and with Jigglypuff as the only main. Not only does the opponent know that they can always rely on you to use that character with all the weaknesses that brings, but you still smash them regardless of that. Also, as Emp stated in the video, look around, where are the other world top Jigglypuffs mains? Hungrybox is a legend!
Amazing job with this HungryBox doc. I didn’t realize smash is still so popular. Loved that game and it was the last one in the series I played. Thanks for the vid!
I thank god I was born in time when such amazing videos are able to watch this or 9 hours oblivion recap ... Jesus thank you mr EmpLemon I cant wait to check rest of the content on your channel :D
as someone that doesnt even play this game or knows anything about it, i just gotta say GODDAMN that was crazy inspiring and such a well told story....
Smash has always been near and dear to me, the N64 version will always be best in my book...Link was my go to, if he just had a better recovery lol. Everyone freaking thought they were the shit playing Kirby, Pika, Fox...Jiggly was the character I'd break-out for very specific "so you have chosen death" moments lol
I know my voice is insignificant, but on the off chance you might stumble upon this comment, I still want to say thank you so much for making this documentary.
As a son who has also had to bury a father before the sons success came to fruition, I deeply sympathize with the pain hungrybox must have felt after every defeat. I deeply sympathize with the inability to show proof of success to the dead, which will forever make that success a little hollow. It saddens my heart that he has born the label of Pariah for any length of time, and that not enough people will watch this to lessen that terrible burden.
Hungrybox is a great smash player, and a good man, and this documentary does a great job of demonstrating that. Thank you so much.
how can you hate a guy whos dedicated to being the best in a game he loves. and then proceed to hate him even more when he achieves his goal, the audacity of some people man
I thought Hungry box had a shellfish allergy or something. Like this was some poorly executed attempt at murder. But no...dude just had a crab in his pocket and decided to throw it!
Yeah, we just watched this. And yeah, we think this is the best fighting game there is, nothing like watching a Melee fight, no other fighting game offers the spectator the feeling of being there like a Melee match.
Too bad Sakurai and Nintendo just hate the Melee comunity.
In your “Frying Comments” video the comment you were looking at says “Why are we stuck with you” and we’ll I feel like that could describe how the melee community views hungry box
I've watched this 3 times over the last year. I had never watched melee, played melee, heard of Hbox... or wasted so much time watching smash videos 😂 This is the highest quality video on yt, so happy it came back to my recommended
I don't know how I got here. I don't even know why I watched the entire thing. but I know you did a great fucking job with it, it kept me hooked to the end. this is such an amazing documentary in every aspect
This and the Raw one IMO used panels like that so well the way these panels all ended up being reused at the end as a vs into an is was an amazing moment of tieing everything back together jut like how in the Raw one the video was strung together with the reoccuring "In order to be loved:"
I think this is a testiment to Emp being really good in the realm of editing...not suprising when you think about it when His old content was YTP which is a format defined by re editing and re contextualizing things
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Joseph Hanicak2020-07-16 17:04:26 (edited 2020-07-16 17:05:51 )
You're completely wrong. Jigglypuff was the most popular pokemon in Japan at the time, so it made perfect sense to include her. She's not popular anymore, but she was at the time.
Wasn't her or clefairy supposed to be the original mascot for pokemon? Also I know alot of people who liked puff, because of her anime appearances, which were hilarious.
@I’M TOXIC enjoy life to the fullest and stop being toxic, like ya name, and stop criticizing people on social media to make yourself feel better, I know you’re a good person.
funny enough, HBox gets more respect from non-melee players than he does from the melee community. Its sad how people outside melee can recognize the hard work of their best player better than the melee community itself can.
@Eragon7 legit it's because people hate watching top 8 filled with circle camping and runaway play :/ not fun to watch, but it takes a lot of mental training to just deal with as a player. A lot of people recognize the work put in but don't recognize it as talent because it's boring and not something spectators like to see. Same reason why Wizzy is seen as lame. It's sad but some characters are just seen as lame, and when their strengths slow the game down it gets boring. Especially if that's how winning is optimal with that character.
Plup is also pretty bad about talking as if he has no skill despite the fact that he beats Plup all the time and anytime he tries to Puff Ditto Hungrybox he ends up looking like an idiot
Remember when a girl got harassed for beating some competitive bro with Isabelle? Maybe hardcore Smash fans are just trash people I guess. And not just because of their hygiene.
@Seran Fael sure, its boring to a lot of people yea, but that doesnt mean that HBox ISNT good. A lot of people flat out think he just isnt even good at this game and is super carried when that's not at all true. HBox may be boring to watch, but he's still a very very skilled player. But the majority of the melee fanbase refuses at least acknowledge his skill. Some do, but most do not, and just think he is carried.
@Eragon7 o fuk, I didn't mean to seem like I don't think he's good, he wouldn't be at the number one spot if he was only carried. And if puff is broken why aren't there other puffs? Puff isn't broken. She dies hella early. Juan has put in the hours and goes to so many tournaments. I respect the fuck out of him, he worked hard and earned first. Didn't mean to seem like I was hating.
youtube: " wanna learn about someone who plays this game you've never touched really well?"
me: "sure, why not"
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William Kimmel2021-12-03 20:12:46 (edited 2021-12-03 20:58:27 )
This is so fucking epic I cannot even.....I always heard about the Smashbros scene often spoken of in whispers and rhymes but this....this video changed my life. I feel like I missed out on something while being stoned and playing WoW. Excellent video.
(adding more) So I made this comment about the halfway point when Hbox beat Armada finally. Now having finished the whole thing I'm practically in tears. I felt that shit hard. Fuckkkkk
This youtube amateur documentary is chronologically precise and descriptively pristine. I expected to skip through a video that was way too long but instead found myself captivated and completely immersed. A surprising masterpiece. Bravo to this video's creator(s).
At most tournaments that I have seen on youtube whenever a winner is decided the commentators and sometimes everyone else doesn't say anything or jump or cheer but during a cool combo or a regular set everyone is energetic
Im so glad I found this video. I used to play a lot of smash ultimate with my friends and I was really into it and its community. Watching this video now gives me so much more of an understanding of melee as a game, community, and its competitive scene. And above all, I MASSIVELLY respect Hungrybox. If you ever see this Hungrybox, just know, you are amazing. Inside and outside of competitive melee. And Im rooting for you, stay strong. :)
The 5 Gods was either consciously or unconsciously taken from the 5 Gods of 2D fighters, originally a Japanese meme about 5 strong 2D fighter players: Daigo, Tokido, Nuki, Sako, Haitani.
Just goes to show no matter how impressive and innovative your accomplishments if it contradicts what people want to think is true, then the people will refuse to acknowledge your accomplishments.
@Another Random Kid Its not just the fact puff isn't fox. Like emp said she's boring to watch and embodies the opposites of melee. That in addition to being the best player with that character, breed contempt for him.
Fet Kreb2020-10-21 23:27:24 (edited 2020-10-21 23:28:42 )
@Another Random Kid i mean, axe and amsa plays yoshi and pika and got like top 10 in power rankings and have done very well yet no one hates them for it. But all in all yea its pretty bs
wow there is such a fine line as too being good at this game and just being fucking cracked at it dang even really really good players are complete shit compared to the best
Double elimination Grand Finals is interesting. Because you have 6 games to win, but also 6 games for your opponent to carry tremendous momentum that can knock you off your feet before you realize why you're losing. Wizzrobe, Armada, and others often take a small break between matches to meditate.
as someone who wathed your ytps as a kid its great to see how your content evolves year after year and this is one of if not youre greatest video you portrayed melee beautifully and i love it
I never truly understood until now just who hungrybox was. Now that I have watched this, I can truly appreciate just what hungybox was and is to the smash community. It is sad that so many humans collectively act in such a way just because they can't accept another's superiority over their own inferiority.
Emp is a lot more than just a Smashtuber. He's sort of a YouTube "connoisseur" when it comes down to it. He consistently makes very good content that goes deep into how things work, with screenshots included of his findings. It's gotten to the point where even 4chan themselves respect the hell out of the guy. He's basically the last bastion of original content on this site.
"there will Never Ever be another Late Night TV Host like Craig Ferguson" Could really be interesting due to his style and how different it was to other hosts of the time and draw comparisons to the current over saturation of the genre and the decline of late night television and TV as a whole. I would love to see it!!! I urge people who haven't heard of him to look him up and watch some of his episodes. A true gem of television and one of the last greats IMO.
This is hilarious: they are playing SM, where if players choose the same character, some detail will be slightly different in one of the characters, so you can tell them appart. Hungrybox looks a lot like Mango, but in order to be able to tell them appart, Mango was given longer hair in general.
lmao ikr i had this in my watch later for almost a year it feels like now and finally got around to it today. very inspiring video glad i watched it now despite knowing nothing about melee and being a casual smash fan. i respect hungrybox now not even knowing him for overcoming all odds. this was great. far better than most netflix documentaries
It's funny, in an ironic way of sorts, how all the pieces came together in this video -- 'like I was reading a book that was well-crafted without dropping anything out in the process.
The 80 minutes were, indeed, well worth it; my only regret being not having watched it as early as YouTube recommended me to.
As for my thoughts on the subject, I will agree that stylish performances are stupid strong in adrenaline for everyone involved -- provided there's a high enough impact behind it, that is -- but there is most certainly a high level of beauty and gracefulness that can only be attained in a more down-to-earth and methodical gameplay.
Whether Hungrybox fulfills that latter part or not is unfortunately not for me to decide, as fighting games are one of the many things I've come to accept as being way out of my league, and thus my interest in Smash even as a viewer is as dim as "Little Mac/Incineroar vs the World", but I have seen enough, both here and elsewhere, to say that there's at least a case to be made in favor of him.
As for the man himself, just know that there are people out there who like outside drama as little as those who unfortunately get to take the brunt of it, and to quote a certain old man: "I guess one person can make a difference... Enough said."
12:45 I picture just some random dude in the crowd just walking on stage then thrashing the best player in the world and leaving not knowing what he had done. Also it's super fucked up that you can give so much and win to have a whole crowd just disrespect you like that. I think he defiantly fed off that sentiment. Great work on this vid EmpLemon, you earned this sub and like for sure. I can tell a great deal of work went into this, very moving stuff where one might not expect..
David Davidson2021-12-04 23:13:53 (edited 2021-12-04 23:17:41 )
honestly really bummed me out watching mango's expression anytime he lost a stock. dude has an emotive face. also >in standard fighting games >shows shaqfu
I cannot believe I just sat through a one hour video at midnight and didn't get bored at all. Truly a magnificent story; brilliant characters told by a brilliant storyteller.
Hungrybox is the freaking shield hero. Catches shit when he's the real MVP.
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Death Alchemist2020-01-27 06:57:03 (edited 2020-01-27 07:00:31 )
As much as I love ultimate, I always feel a sense of awe and wonder watching melee. I gained more respect for HBox after this, never knew the guy had to deal with so much shit.
6minutes in this vid imo even before hungrybox started winning Puff was labeled as sort of a gimmick character, because of the rest being so good that you could sorta 'cheese' people like with the Icey's. but it wasn't classefied ás OP like the wobble was, just when hungrybox got close to winning that arguement arose again. truth be told, at that moment i was silently on the side of the hate seeing it as a gimmick. but just watching him through the years, beating his demons rising to the top i just cant understand how you could hate the guy. its not like he just picked up the game, he spend more than a decade perfecting his character. same way you could hate a cpt. falcon main who mastered the falcon-punch or a luigi main who has sniper precision, but that would never happen so why hate a Jiggly? you know whats comming
I'm a casual player, and Melee was the BEST in terms of fluidity of abilities and movement in this entire series. All of the others ruined it to me and are way too slow. I don't feel like I'm playing the game I fell in love with, but like a B-rated version of it.
Here's a suggestion: there will Never Ever be another Minecraft server like 2b2t. There is sooooo much history to that server you could make dozens of videos on it and not even scratch the surface. Given how niche and interesting the core 2b2t playerbase is, the people who find what has been called the worst Minecraft server and a representation of the worst of humanity fun, I reckon it'd be up your alley.
People hating the dominant top dog is a phenomenon in other games, too. Some people want to see them fail in every capacity, both in the game and in life. It's a strange psychological thing that I don't quite understand. It happens in other areas of life, too. Some people feel such strong jealousy for successful people that it turns into contempt and even hatred, for no reason other than the visible success of the person. And if the success of one person outmatches everyone elses, then all of that negativity focuses on them alone rather than spreading out over several people.
I don't even play Melee or any smash game, I don't even know why I clicked on this video YouTube recommended me just because I play video games. But I was hooked, and the entire structure of storytelling was just so well made. From providing just enough context for people like me, to the rise and fall of the four Gods, ot the eventual flips of "vs" to "is", to the range of emotions this video brings me through. It makes me envious as a person who aspires to be a storyteller, keep up the good work!
PS. To HungryBox: I didn't know of your existence until like an hour ago, and you probably won't stumble upon this comment, but I just wanna say, you're an absolute madlad for going through all that and managed to be on the top, and I wish I could have at least 25% of your resolution and perseverance.
Nintendo from what I understand by proxy was part of gambling in Japan by making Hanafuda playing cards. I'd guess in some moral stance gambling is not something they want to relate to as they tend to be more conservative with releases of games. I may be wrong but this is pertaining to the segment about Nintendo not doing prize pool cash prizes for SSB.
This video shows how an entire community, a massive group of people can be super-wrong. It's insane, all you need is to spread the fake news, do it loud enough and people will believe it.
Life has many intervals. The highs and the lows. I hbox's story it seemed like there were only lows. Until he got his crap together and pulled through. Like a real clutch gamer. He has will. And damn does it shine here.
Plot: Immigrant with a bad father beats the odds to become the best in his field. Movie audiences: rampant applause Real audiences: vitriol and crab-throwing
Its very common in sports to hate the dominant player as you said. I follow F1 religiously, and its the same there. Half the crowd is there to boo on L. Hamilton, who dominated the modern era of F1 every year besides an unlucky one (2016). The crowd is happy when he is involved in serious accidents where his life or death depends on half an inch. I do agree it becomes boring to see him win every year, and its great to see somebody compete with him on merit, but we should keep the toxicity on the track, or in the case of video games in the room. We do not need to harass these super skilled individuals on the internet. If anybody hates them and wants them to lose, the possibility is always open for each one of us to join the sports they play and beat them at their own game :)
I'm sorry but the melee community is full of losers that resent the sight of other people winning. It's one thing to hate a character like Jigglypuff for being "boring" but it's another thing to direct it towards a person who spent decades of their life to optimize the character. Something those obnoxious people in the audience would and probably could never do!
Although it's just a video game Hbox deserves the utmost respect for becoming the master of his craft in spite of toxic naysayers who are cowardly enough to attack him as an individual rather than attack the character he chooses to use.
CRAB LORE! That is a COOKED crab not a raw one! Those are blue crabs and once they are steamed (cooked) they turn that color! My family owns a seafood restaurant in the area so it is entirely possible that crab came from us! Just a little information if anyone cared about the origins of said crab.
Well, there are certain benefits for competition that is not supported by the game developer...at least your beloved character doesn't get nerf just because someone says something...
Why would anyone bring a fucking crab to an event? Like sure, an apple, maybe a banana or someting but a fucking crab whut?!
I have never played this game, but Im a huge fan of league of legends. and from my point of viev even if the best toplaner in the world was a lets say Garen main(prob easiest champ in league) it wouldnt matter. Id still watch him and learn from him.
i have always wondered about the melee scene and this video just so happened to just pop up randomly. I didn't realize how toxic and filthy the melee community really is under the hood and it makes since given Nintendo's cult-like fanbase...like father like son
Only chumps play e-sports, REAL gamers go after achievements, not money, not fame, not glory, not some personal bullshit, just the basics is all you need :)
It’s crazy how people can just dislike you for a reason like this. I wasn’t in to smash until ultimate came out and I’ve never heard of hungry box until the new patch that fixed lag a little bit in smash and hungry box made a video about it. Watching this made me convinced that he is a literal legend. #NeveStopGrinding
Alot of shit in this video is just wrong or is spun in an disingenuous way to fit a certain narrative. Alot of the hate he gets is definitely undeserved, but alot of it is deserved as well. This video was made dishonestly in pursuit to create an interesting narritive, don't take everything at face value.
Man, I feel so sorry for Hbox. He worked so hard as he had a simple goal: being the best melee player. Now that he has reached his goal, he is being punished for simply achieving a goal. Edit: I hope he is doing well today
Timestamps for chapters in the video I made to be digested in bite sized pieces. CHAPTER 1 0:00 - 6:00 Intro. 6:00 - 8:23 What is Smash Bros? 8:23 - 9:53 Melee Vs. The Future. 9:53 - 11:23 The Competitive Scene. 11:23 - 13:59 Brawl’s Flounders. 13:59 - 21:05 The Gods Vs. The Old Generation. 21:05 - 22:29 The Characters. 22:29 - 26:00 Jigglypuff Vs. The Meta. 26:00 - 27:38 20XX. 27:38 - 29:08 The Scale of Sickness and Jigglypuff. 29:08 - 30:07 Matchups and Hungrybox. ————————————— CHAPTER 2 30:07 - 32:00 The Most Important Year. 32:00 - 35:35 Ultimate Evo. 35:35 - 39:10 The Renaissance. 39:10 - 41:05 True Clutchbox. 41:05 - 44:50 Heel Hungrybox. 44:50 - 45:35 The Big House 2015 and Captain Crunch. 45:35 - 46:56 Dreamhouse Winter 2015. 46:56 - 50:41 Hungrybox Vs. Juan Debiedma. 50:41 - 53:47 2016 and Evo Perils. 53:47 - 1:00:15 The Evo that Changed Everything. ————————————— CHAPTER 3 1:00:15 - 1:02:29 After The Evo that Changed Everything. 1:02:29 - 1:02:54 A Melancholic Intermission. 1:02:54 - 1:05:02 Hungrybox’s Dominance and Other God’s Retirements. 1:05:02 - 1:06:28 Catastrophic Community Craziness. 1:06:28 - 1:08:10 20FF 1:08:10 - 1:13:57 Dominant Players and The Twisted Reality of Hungrybox Hate. 1:13:57 - 1:18:06 Hungrybox IS Melee 1:18:06 - 1:19:56 Hungrybox IS The Best in the World. 1:19:56 - 1:20:37 Post Ultimate. 1:20:36 - 1:21:08 Crab Mentality. 1:21:08 - 1:23:07 There will Never Ever be another Player like Hungrybox. 1:23:07 - 1:24:38 Credits and Surfshark.
I am sure Jigglypuff is actually enriching the competition and the game if most others are just resorting to Fox. A game with only one or few dominant characters would be clearly not balanced well enough for e-sports.
Kudos to Hbox 👍🏻 and also appreciating the fact that he managed to become an engineer meanwhile - it's much easier to invest all time in the game but given not all players can live off it financially, it's not a reasonable strategy for the individual nor for the community. So make sure to secure another career, players.
I haven't played Melee in a decade but the video was worth watching 🙂
The more I hear about Melee, the more I realize that it's strikingly similar to TF2. Both were games intended for a casual audience with far greater skill/mechanical depth than anyone could ever anticipate, and created small but loyal competitive communities which continue to play to this day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F5ky3Sl2es). The degree of precision required to so much as move in this game is apparent in sub-communities centered around explosive jumping maps (etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oij70_y0qVw). Both Smash and TF2 have spawned legendary figures so far above the skill level of everyone else that they can be aptly called gods (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZDn0XHr0mw). Finally, in both games, the true tragedy was that the company which created the game refused to support the competitive scene to its full potential, and in the case of TF2, eventually basically left it to die. Surely you must've noticed this - there's already documentaries out there (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DEvC47tvKc), but I think it'd be pretty entertaining if you covered the history of both casual and comp TF2, as well as all the niche cultures that spawned from it (SFM/Gmod, jump maps, prophunt/VSH/other wacky community servers, and so on), as I don't think anybody has ever done so comprehensively.
not to mention the hate the casual side of the game has towards the idea of tf2 having a competitive scene, and the amount of desinformation that exists around it thanks to youtubers, something that also mvm suffers btw (like that the only classes played are scout, soldier, demo and medic, when the rest of the cast also see play (obviously in the case of 6s)
One difference is that Valve at least nods at the competitive scene and gives it medals etc, Nintendo actively works against the competitive Melee scene.
this was an absolutely incredible documentary, thank you. I love smash bros but have never played competitively, this gave me an even bigger appreciation for competetive smash than i ever had before. thank you for telling this story, it made my day way brighter <3
NO IDEA HOW OR EVEN WHY I JUST WATCHED THIS, I WAS SEARCHING YOUTUBE FOR NFL WEEK 9 RECAPS!!! never even knew there was a SSBM "scene" or competitive ecosystem, and somehow ended up watching this. Now im much MORE blown away that this is a thing. SO yea... moral of the story is people suck and i hope Hungrybox has success in anything he sets his mind to, dont let the jealous and malicious bring you down
Very amazing video, Emp. I'd love to see more eSports and FGC history from you because you told a great story and showed all of the action we all want to see!
Late to the party but really just wanted to say how much I appreciate the time and effort that went into making this video. I watched this as a complete Melee novice and I feel I have come away with so much!
Yes! I watched it all this was a great movie I played n64 smash so yeah and I really feel bad for hungryBox nice video btw out of all the long videos you could watch on YouTube or on the internet in general I would watch this long video thank you for making this
My dood. Thanks for this video. I was playing some speedruns, doing some discords. Just absolutely respecting each of them. I respect all of them more now. This is hard. It is a lot of work. It can be your income. How about we dont throw crabs, or troll the up and comers? They are the future. They got this.
unbelievable amount of work you put into this. The super smash melee history has always produced the best story in all of esports I think. I am disappointed that melee isn't as popular as the other big games.
I used to be more into competitive smash, I always liked the players who played the unique characters. I am glad to see that the meta is shifting away from Marth-Fox-Sheik.
When it comes to Melee, I'm an avid Link main. I figure I could compare to the Five Gods a little in terms of skill, but because of Link being slow I don't think I'd actually win against them. I'm probably the best Link user, but not exactly the best Melee player especially since I haven't played for about a year.
I can't believe I just spent 1.5 hours watching a story, about a guy, about a game, I never played! Thank the gods of YouTube algorithm! Emp you are a gift to humanity man!!
I don’t even play smash bros but I was watching this earlier stopped 30 min in and came back right now(a few hours later) because I’m so interested in it. You make a good video.
I love how the Smash community used to think that Jigglypuff was the most boring character to watch, meanwhile you got someone losing an entire stock over the Ice Climbers wobbling
When I wished for Jigglypuff to be the no.1 Melee Champ, I didn't expect it to go that far! There's only one champ that can beat him and Fox, if played correctly. I'll send him to you, Hungrybox!
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Andrew Grant2021-11-11 06:25:45 (edited 2021-11-11 06:28:50 )
When I try to introduce my buddy's into this channel, this is the video I go to
Most important thing ive taken out of this? Leffen must have been born with some tragic handicap so we should have pity on the poor creature. Seriously if a Jigglipuff is the best character AND SO EASY copycats would have been blowing up the game for ages. People wantto win and if a character alone made it possible without skill it would be everywhere.
How the fuck did you make me care about a competition I've never heard of for a game I've never played featuring some dude I've never heard of? Damn dude.
I have no idea who you are. I've never played Smash, known anything about it (apart the memes or random tubers hyping up playing it even today), or ever heard of the players (Five Gods). However from just watching this video my appreciation towards both you and the Smash series and it's players just blew through the roof. Thank you!
interesting to see "sick" explained from an American perspective as a Melee-specific term; as a kid in Australia anything cool was 'sick', and otherworldly, extra cool was 'fully sick'
Respect to Hbox for enduring hate and ridicule and just putting his head down and working his way to the top. I can respect anyone who does that in any field. Smash games are still for kids and as recent events have shown, that's apparently the way smash community likes it.
And last but not least, melee's new generation will be cemented through the rise of the final and fifth god, the legendary...the extraordinary...Doctor Pee pee
Idk nothing about playing smash ('couse i did not have any nintendo console yet) and idk if hbox know spanish but... VAMOS CARAJO JUAN QUERIDO, LLEVANDO A ARGENTINA A LO MAS ALTO DE SMASH, DESDE ACÁ TE GANASTE UN FAN, QUE NINGUN TARADO TE BAJONEE QUE SOS ARGENTINO VIEJA, EL DIEGO Y VOS LOS MAS GRANDE QUE HAY!!!
I actually miss when Hbox was on top. I was never a big fan of him but I never hated him either. Seeing how he performs nowadays is kinda sad tbh, consistently losing to Zain and Mango. 2019 was the greatest year in Melee of all time (also because of Axe)
I do not think Hbox deserves all the backlash like not linking how good he is already sucks for him but then people attack him as a person and that is something you should never do.
I discovered h box because my brother kept whooping my star Fox butt with puff. I have always rooted for h box, out of awe of how I got smacked at first but because of how hard he smacked challengers.
Holy shit. I was wondering through the whole thing why he looked so familiar. And then his linked in showed up and I realized I met him at a West Rock internship summit/get together. Small fucking world
For me I think the opposite with the "sick" list. If you can play Jigglypuff and do incredible, that's sick. Fox you can be a filthy casual and dominate
Despite this entire video trying to make me like the man, I still rooted against Hungrybox the entire video (even though I've never heard of him until now) I just don't like the way he behaves. Being hurt is no excuse to be a dick.
51:51 Funny story, I was there in the arena that night and I actually saw all of these matches. Afterwards, during the Street Fighter V finals segment of the tournament, westballz actually sat next to my brother and I with his friend and I was just fucking dumbfounded. I met and or saw or 5 of the 5 gods during that tournament, it felt surreal, like seeing something you thought was legend reaffirmed to you it's true.
This is why ppl double down on being the "villian" because people will talk and devalue you, but who won? Who are they watching? Who are they talking about? You won. They are a viewer.
Jigglypuff is BORING to WATCH? I was hypnotized by the clips of how Hungrybox plays, like holy shit it was stunning compared to others who played puff.
Keep in mind the clips are heavily edited and most of the time is just zoning and neutral but explosive moments when they see its tome yo kill
While fox is pure aggression attack attack no nuance just hit button better and you win
The diffrence is time, fox games last much shorter stocks thus each kill moment which is prob the most exciting part are of a shorter time interval
I think they are just being stupid and doesnt know the rigth way to describe the situation
Fox is more fun to watch but puff makes the games longer but in no way a more boring way, suspense is also part of the equation but deliberately making it longer like the ice climer vs puff match in the vid can severly impact the perception of the match thus its enjoyability to watch
Watching spacing and up throw rest isn’t really interesting. Hbox is starting to become more interesting but just seeing rest setups gets really annoying.
@Frogchip I wouldn't say Puff is boring, not when Hbox plays it, however he has like 16 years of playing Puff, of course he's the best Puff player, the other guys playing Fox or Pikachu or Falco or whatever, sure ain't the same as when Hbox plays, but from a technical standpoint, Hbox is probably the best player downright, it takes a lot of technical prowess to master any character, and just because the character has a limited moveset, doesn't mean it's any easier. Look at Mang0 and Armada's different playstyles with Fox, they differ vastly, and I'd say that Armada's playstyle was directly better than Mang0's playstyle. I'd say they were both extremely good players, but Fox has a lot more moves than Puff and as such making due with what you have is a far harder thing to do, there are moves which people rarely use with fox, however with puff there's hardly any.
@The Major bro did you really just say that from a technical standpoint the puff player is better than everybody else
sorry to break it to ya, but puff takes literally NO techskill whatsoever, characters like fox and falco are good examples of techskill characters
it dont matter if fox and falco have more options/moves they still require way more techskill, ur argument is literally just ''well if puff HAD techskill hbox would be just as good as the other gods at it'' which is competely baseless
puff isn't boring at all, and setting up combos and rest combos do take skill, and you can shut up about "techskill". if one player is better than the other, then they're better. that's it.
@Frogchip As Emp mentions, if Puff is such an EZ win character... Why is it that only Hbox wins tournaments with her? Sure, low-level competitive play with Puff is low-skill, but that only helps you through the bottom.
The thing that it's going to take for people to unseat Hbox is for them to do the same thing he did against the other gods - study his play, develop a playstyle that counters it, and then try to keep one step ahead of him when he develops a counter-counter strat.
@Spartan Windrider people absolutely despise puff, they'd feel like a sellout playing her. If you listen to plup when on the couch at smash summit during one of hbox's pool sets he says he could play the char (''give me a month'') but when scar asks him if he had it in his heart to do it he said ''I would hate myself''
Im sure there are many ppl who would happily play puff if the other characters werent so fucking sick and cool to play, most melee players play to have fun
@Spartan Windrider Puff is not an "easy win" character, no one who matters actually claims that. Just because she's easier to win with than Fox, doesn't mean she's an easy win. Hungrybox has a lot of skill and most people in the Melee community would absolutely admit to that.
But most people don't play Melee because they want to win no matter what, they play it because most of the characters are really fun and they want to push the characters to their limits. Melee allows people to put their personality into their playstyle, and the vast majority of people don't want to play like you have to play to be good with Puff, which is fairly campy and one-dimensional honestly.
And Hbox HAS been unseated at this point. Zain has been pretty dominant over him recently.
The only time I ever got really bored is when hbox vs armada's y. link was a thing. timeouts every game in grandfinals, it was so obnoxious. We got past it though.
@Noah zzstu Smith icies have an easy ztd off a grab, puff has to be willing to make every set a slog just to play optimally, you have to be willing to play so lame its not even funny, icies would grab you but could also do cool shit, hence why there are still icies players even after wobbling got banned
@Noah zzstu Smith 1. Please stop parroting everything emp says, attempt to use your own brain for once.
2. Yes you play to win. However, if playing to win means you hate yourself all the time and don't find the game fun at all why win anyway? Melee is a spectator sport, if there were only puffs I guarantee this game will die, we need spacies to balance it out. Luckily there will never be only puffs because not everybody can bring themselves to play that way.
Icies was a simple character, you just grab them a few times and they die, anybody can do it, it isnt mentally taxing (cant do that anymore tho, since wobbling is banned lol)
Puff is on a whole different level. The amount of mental fortitude it takes to play an optimal puff is insane, and thats what I respect about hbox is that he sticks to his gameplan but there are always mixups, his talent is undeniable. Puff is objectively not hard on the technical side but in terms of mentality it is something very few melee players have. You cant just pick up puff and consistently play like hbox, you can try and copy what he does but his character knowledge and fundies set him apart from your average puff, he's a god of the game for a reason.
Playing puff isn't "hard", making a living off playing puff is hard.
"You're not playing to be "sick."
Well actually we are. This esport wasn't manufactured just to make money, the people who play this game are extremely passionate about it, if it wasnt for the community's passion for the game it wouldn't be an esport at all. Therefore we do play to have fun and express ourselves as it is one of the best things about the game, the amount of tech and fun shit you can do in this game is insane. Puff has very little of this, a lack of tech and the overall slow speed of the game when playing or fighting puff makes it pretty underwhelming compared to fast-paced fun asf characters like fox, falco, falcon etc.
Unlike other esports, we don't just play to win, we also play to have fun.
I’d say hungrybox is like playing a game as fast as possible and play fast characters like falco is like speed running two fun and interesting ways to play games
@Noah zzstu Smith Multiple top players have stated over the years that they believed they would be able to win more easily if they switched to Puff (Mew2king, Plup, Armada). Even if that isn't true, if they truly wanted to win at any cost they would at least try Puff for a while since they all believe she's so good. But no ones does because they do want to enjoy the game, which is a big part of staying motivated in any competitive game by the way. If they really wanted to play something they found boring because they wanted to win at any cost, why would they still be playing Melee, which has generally terrible payouts relative to other esports even if you do win. They play Melee because they love Melee, and they don't play Puff because they don't like the playstyle you need to play with Puff to win.
The reason Puff is "easier" to win with than most other characters is because you don't have to grind tech skill like you do with other top characters. Even Marth, who has significantly less tech skill than say spacies or Falcon, still has some tech that needs to be practiced because there are 1 frame windows that need to be executed. Puff really doesn't have any of that, and takes easily the least tech skill among any viable character (even Icies). This is most obvious in tournament matches where players feel the pressure and are more likely to flub their tech skill. It's pretty common to see a spacies player mess up a ledgedash and die for it, but seeing any Puff SD is pretty rare. I'm not saying it's easy to win with Puff because winning with any character is hard, and I think most Melee players would agree, but there are factors that make it EASIER than winning with other characters.
If you watch Mew2king's video where he teaches Melee Puff to Salem, he goes over many of the things that most people don't know about Puff that gives her a lot easier of a flow chart in most situations than the rest of the cast.
I think looking at top players' practice time is the biggest indicator of how it's easier to win with Puff. Even when Hungrybox was #1, he didn't grind the game like most other top players do. He was even able to play Ultimate all the time on his stream and still get first at tournaments, whereas most other top Melee players who played Ultimate for some time struggled at one point since coming back (Plup, Wizzrobe, Leffen).
And there are other absolutely examples of other top players using her and succeeding. Prince Abu got 9th at EVO 2017 and he's known for not practicing the game much. Michael got top 8 at Full Bloom 5. 2saint actually placed 7th to tie with Hungrybox at GOML 2020. Puff is not comparable at all to say Pikachu or Yoshi, who have only one standout player that carries their character in tournaments.
Met him yesterday on the street going to a friends place. I don’t really follow video games in any way but he was very friendly. We didn’t really know what to say but he asked us a couple questions and how we were.
Nice guy. Perhaps he realized that my friend and I are casual fans.
Emp the “never ever” series is like an event for me. Keep up the amazing work.
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Aima Jack Ingof2021-03-14 05:13:20 (edited 2021-07-24 00:55:27 )
Honestly, out of all the YouTubers I follow - EmpLemon is definitely the only one I know who churns out masterpiece after masterpiece. From the highest jump record, to fucking smash. Personally, I've never been a huge fan of any of the stuff he talks about. But the way he presents all of his content, it's like every single one of these videos are like a very beautifully crafted doorway that leads you into the realm of emp's mind, guiding you to a front row seat to emp's feelings - giving you a vivid idea why emp thinks each of these subjects are beautiful and worth talking about.
This is unbelievably one of the greatest masterpieces a YouTuber has churned out into this platform.
In my highschool, Super Smash Bros. club was one of the most popular clubs in the school because of how accepting and inviting it was. Of course most of the players was casual, but that is what you get in any sport or game, people just want to have fun and get initiated that way before they choose to take the game seriously. In fact, one of the main annual events was the school wide Super Smash Bros. tournament near the end of the year held durring lunch in the lunchroom for everyone to enjoy watching and anyone to walk in at the start and sign up before the start of the tournament. That is how they created passion, excitement, and commitment for the community around Smash, mainly Smash Melee. And that is more how the Smash Melee community must be if it wants to survive and thrive.
I was part of my smash club back in the days, and it was a weird experience. You're complaining about a characters hitbox one second, then you're in a heated debate about war crimes the next.
I really love Hbox man. He really is a living legend in the game. The character isn’t “easy” and I just respect the commitment he’s made to the game it’s Insanely impressive. Much love Juan!
HBox seems like a pretty genuine and nice guy - I really like how he was being told he could never be amongst the best, yet he beat them all with a character, noone believed would ever succeed. This is a pretty motivating story!
The moral of this story is...... When it comes to toxicity, there will never ever be a more vile, sickening, and downright disgusting level of toxic attitudes and behaviors as the ones you see in PvP video game communities..... Especially the smash community....... TO persevere and climb through that much bile and sewage is a testament and a spectacle in of itself
Pokemon i feel is the same or even worse.. especially when your opponent DC's so you don't get the win you worked to get, and it messes with your win lose ratio, so they seemed like they never lose because they disconnect
This is true. The Smash community is toxic, and most people got an AWAKENING when Byleth was introduced in Ultimate. I never knew it ran this deep bc i had only heard of hbox a few times until i found this doc
"When the doctor was in, you were about to get your daily dose of destruction."
Thanks for showing PPMD in his prime a lot of people believe he was the weak link of the gods, but he was one of my favorites to watch completely tearing his opponents to pieces with that Falco. It was like watching westballz when he doesnt fuck up and gets some rediculous ass combo from out of nowhere but way more consistent.
"Melee prides itself on fast paced gameplay." Top player uses a slower character.
"Melee celebrates highly skilled technical mechanics." Top player plays a simple character.
"Melee relies on it's risky and aggressive playstyles." Top player plays carefully and defensively.
You know, it's funny... last time I checked, playing carefully and defensively, while not very exciting, is the smart thing to do. So, perhaps the people arguing against this should take a look it the mirror and remember that haste makes waste, and patience is a virtue. Stop coming up with excuses and improve. If Fox is truly the best character with the most "Amazing technical skill" then learning how to take down such an "Easy" character as 'Puff should be a snap. Yet, they kept losing to Hungrybox.
It's almost like they were trying to demonize him, because they couldn't do it, and were angry.
What kills me is that, as someone who played melee enough to appreciate skillful play when I see it, Hungry Box is incredible to watch, at least with the examples presented in this video. Sure, the Fox players he's up against in this video are flashy, quick, and undoubtedly take an unfathomable amount of skill to play at such a level, but watching Hungry Box keep those players off the stage through well-timed blocks, kicks, and being able to recover himself on top of it... How is that not enjoyable? It's not as flashy, but it's impressive in a completely different way, a strategic way, as you note. The people complaining that Jigglypuff is boring because she's simple have it backwards. The fact that she's simple and yet is used by the best player in the world is a feat unto itself that deserves recognition. I understand there's a difference between being impressed and being entertained, but it's like Emp demonstrates early in the video: the people who compete are there to win. That's what HBox does. He does what it takes to win.
Same thing casual boxing and UFC fans have said for decades. Even Joe Rogan constantly gets mad at fans for booing when the game moves from stand and trade (really stupid way to try to win unless you're 100% certain you'll win it) to the more technical aspect of the game. Some of the top fighters back in the day were dependent upon timing/positioning/strong responses to what opponents were doing and got mercilessly booed for it. Hungrybox is Lyoto Machida... Change my mind...
It's also why dabuz used to get so much hate (though it's toned down now) The hate Hbox used to get is like the hate that zero and dabuz got put together and if those two sources of hate fed into each other, and also if those sm4sh players were more toxic at the start of the game.
I've ignored this video since it was up (recommended video) simply because of the length. I'm such a fool to finally have watched. This is an amazing story. This could easily be a Netflix documentary. Very well done.
Sad to see how hostile a community can be against one of it's top players. It appears as though hungrybox helped make this game get big and people paid a blind eye to it. And Jigglypuff is totally "Sick".
The ridiculous thing is that low-level competitive Puff play is boring, as Emp pointed out - but all the Hbox wannabes are playing her. They don't have the chops to actually win tournaments though, so hopefully that'll start to die out...
Most people are cool, it’s just a vocal minority. Most of the “heroes and villains “ stuff is all part of the act. Also, hbox is universally respected now, as he should be. Don’t dwell on the past.
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dude, this video is fantastic. I've never heard of Hbox and never respected Smash as a competitive fighting game. I now support Hbox and have learned to appreciate Smash for what it is and that it should be in the FGC scene.
My prior frustration with Hungrybox was never about Hungrybox at all. It was about the players I wanted to win being unable to at the time, and without putting enough thought into it, I needed someone to blame. A lot of us did. We said and thought some bad things about this man.
But in the midst of all that, it never felt quite right. I wish I'd thought about it more.
Today I realize that even though there are top players I like watching more than others, they are all critical to the community in their own ways, and I would be sad if any of them quit. None of them deserve the level of hate that Hbox has had to deal with, even if you don't want him to win.
What I felt or feel doesn't change the fact that Hungrybox still deserves all of his wins, and his determination is a lesson to us all.
Thank you Emp, thank you Juan, and most of all, thank you Melee.
LMAO YOU THINK YOU HAVE CHANGED, you probably still have spite for hbox, why are you thanking people lol you should be apologising to hbox, these are all excuses man, you dont like him, cant you just admit that much
@Bennn I mean, if I was hbox I would be more moved by this dudes comment than an apology. This dude basically just said he admits to being wrong, admits the smash community is doing him wrong, and believes hbox deserves a lot more respect than what he gets. To me an apology would just feel like the community giving him pity, when really I think hbox just wants their respect.
@poisenbery Stop that. Stop putting people who admit they were in the wrong down by saying it's for a selfish reason. Because even though it was, it takes something to admit that you were wrong, that you should've been better, and showing regret for prior actions, putting personal hate into context. In that way, your last sentence is wrong, "nothing about you has changed." because he did. He got introspective, put things into context, and feels sorry for things, realized that top players are integral to the community they're a part of. The comment in of itself is an apology - "I'm sorry" is definitely an apology, and this person definitely shows how he feels sorry for Hbox. Don't judge people for felling bad for things in the past, dangit.
Nah. It seems odd to apologize to someone for my private opinion of them if it never affected them directly. I have never spoken with or seen Hbox in person, I've only watched him on Twitch and spoken about him with a couple of my friends. However, what I am sorry for is contributing to the negative mindset of the community towards him.
Point is, you don't have to love a player, but you should respect how hard they work, and admit when they deserve better than what they're getting from their community. I don't love or hate Hbox today, I view him as another top competitor. He deserves my respect just like the players I personally cheer for in tournaments. I've certainly changed since I used to hardly respect him at all, and wished at the time that he'd quit the game. It was silly to think those things and I wish I hadn't. Fortunately, today I am a wiser person.
A lot of the community is misguided and stuck on the hate train, and I hope more of them step off of it. I think this video will help with that, which is cool.
Just my additional 2 cents. Don't care if people think it's enough or not, to each their own.
@Andrew Gan SS, EZScape, and Karl Jobst all somehow almost single-handedly ruined many of the speedrunning communities. I can't imagine anyone supporting SS.
I've never once had any interest in Melee, mostly because I don't play games often. And yet, you got me to watch a whole documentary about it with consistent interest. You have an amazing talent for video editing. And Hungrybox has an amazing talent for Melee. I have a respect for both of you now.
Here I am thinking that people like underdog stories, that when somebody is against insurmountable odds, but puts forth the gumption anyways and works their hardest to come out on top that the people will rally behind them. Then we have HungryBox, who mains one of the weaker characters Jigglypuff, a character that's only "simple to play" because so many of the moves suck and your options are limited. He plays this character in tournaments where the most prolific character is considered a hard counter to Jigglypuff. HungryBox had school, and a job and he excelled at those as well as smash, everything was against him. You would think that with everything else against him that the community would get behind him, but no, they were more against him than any other obstacle. His own community detested him, and even then he still pushed through. The amount of respect I have for HungryBox is unreal. He may have his flaws, but his drive and determination, and skill are truly legendary. He earned his status as a god.
You could say the very same about Tom Brady who was the ultimate underdog in practically every single way. But once he experienced immense success, people stop caring about how he started. You just become the enemy at that point.
@WondrousParrot I main falco, and I used to main puff and I can assure you that everyone in melee is equally hard, it's kinda like physics with PE and KE. We will call PE physical energy (by this I mean inputs and precision) and KE mental energy. Falco may have a lot of PE but he doesn't require much KE, puff may not require much PE but requires a lot of KE. The total of both are equivalent to one another.
@Iman kirby is mid tier. I dual main him and falco and I can assure you Kirby is great. He only struggles against fox and depending on who you ask marth. Other than that hes tied or SLIGHTLY loses to every MU. Falcon-kirby is 50-50 or slightly kirby favored. Sheik-kirby is 55-45 and so on. Kirby is underrated and has the hackysack a combo against spacie from 35-85% that can TOD
Jigglypuff isn't weaker,she just requires much more patience.Even if you main the most top tiers in melee you can't just go in and expect to win,it dorsn't Mao the story less intresting.
Puff is absolutely not a weak character. Telling any top player that puff is any lower than 5th best will get you laughed at, and claiming she's as high as 2nd won't really raise an eyebrow.
@TheOhmahgawdz mang0 said puff is a horrible Character MANY times, what are you talking about? And hbox always said puff was below sheik (and I think falcon) until he got "bullied" into believing puff is that good.
@Turtlechamp He says that when people compare her to spacies/marth, and mang0 is known for his hyperbole for comedic effect. He also calls falcon and peach garbage quite regularly lol. I'm citing those 2 players as puff's biggest critics, and they still rank puff as either equal to or better than characters that have won multiple majors (i.e. peach and falcon).
this was kind of a trip to watch for me. i only know who these melee players are because i had a roommate back in 2016/2017 and he was obsessed with the game and he always watched the tournaments. he was a fanboy of mango so obviously he didn't really like hungrybox. but its just weird to hear how he's the best player now and that according to leffen, puff is the "easiest" character to play. i never understood the hate that hungrybox got and i still dont. inspiring story though and great video, gald i watched!
@Ado_42 I'm just a filthy casual here, who is also an Ike main (cuz he is very satisfying to win with), but I found ZSS fairly easy to pick up (once I stopped killing myself by mistake). On the other hand, I have always found puff extremely difficult to win with.
Mortals will never understand Gods, because well... they're mere mortals. HB, like all other pros, truly loves what he does, and could care less about these imbeciles. Everything else he says is just PR. IMHO.
I'm not really someone who has dipped more than casually in smash, let alone the competitive community. It's really amazing to see how much history is behind just this one game, having occurred for a fair amount of my life almost unbeknownst to me. And you tell such a great story of one man's journey, without deifying or bedeviling him. Impressive work, definitely subscribed.
This is a near perfect documentary: The amazing editing that get you right in the feels, the important messages shared through the awesome script and the masterful research put into it all contribute to make this a very much near perfect video. A powerful documentary that makes it's viewers feel everything from defeated to victorious. Maybe it's just me, but I can't count the times I was on the edge of my seat or putting myself in Hungrybox's shoes: feeling tense when he was close to losing, Putting up a frown whenever he got booed, Being hopeful while he was going up the brackets and... just the BEST feeling of euphoria at his highest points.
It's crazy how this video just came out about Melee's long history, and there are still ridiculous changes in the meta still occurring every day. In 2019 we saw a Pikachu take a super major for the first time ever, a Falcon take a major for the first time since 2005, and in the first month of 2020 a Marth took a super major for the first time in many years. Plus Hax$ comes back and makes top 8, taking games off Leffen and Hungrybox, and other top players. The meta is changing every single day. Hbox isn't going anywhere, and that's exactly how it should be. But the top may not look like how we've always remembered it in the next two years, hell, even this year may see a new #1.
The fact that you can make me watch and hour+ long video and enjoy it, even if I'm not really interested in the topic, will forever astound me. Keep it up, man.
Agreed. Never seen this channel and have never watched eSports but I felt it. Excellent video, especially the choice to open with the comeback from the losers bracket. That hooked me.
I don’t like Leffen at all. Can’t tell you how much I loved that taunt punish when he was up 3 stocks to 1 and H box put him in his place. Also this is just the greatest documentary I’ve ever seen. I rewatch this entire thing every other day for motivation 😭😭😭
I'm so glad to see hbox finally get his due. It's absurdly twisted to paint someone as an ass hole because they eventually tire of relentless abuse. It takes something remarkable in a person to march through that and still become the best. Hopefully this serves as a moment of introspection for the Smash community.
what if the crab guy KNEW this analogy and actually sent it to signal this to the community? i mean probably not but why the HELL would he have a crab of all things?!
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The best video on the platform IMO. At first I didn’t even think I’d like this because I’m not a big smash fan, but storytelling is on another level. Probably watched this through it’s entirety like 15 times. A great story of triumph
how the heck dou watch sthe same thing so many times? some other guy said he watched 3 times and i was like WTH?! but now i found you saying you watched 15 times?!
@bobman bob it’s been a few months but I’m back to watch it again. Something about it speaks to me. 15 might be exaggerated, might be closer to 9-10. It’s beyond just a story of hungry box, and a video game. It’s the triumphant nature of the video. Where everyone wants you down, yet you prevail. It’s something that resonates with me.
@MattProductions2012 i see. 9 -10 is still quite a lot, but I agree with you . it was just a bit surprising to me as ive never rewatched anything on youtube nor movies more than once unless to share with someone
i still dont know what makes you and i do different things but thx for your reply!
Imagine spending years of hard work and dedication to become the best Smash player in the world only to have thousands of Jim Cornette clones scream at you online about how your play-style is "outlaw bullshit that's killing the business."
1. I was suprised he didn't play Dr Mario when i first heard his name 2. Evo 2020. Everyone is ecstatic to hear the announcer yell who won the final set of Super Smash Brothers Ultimate. Silence.
I want to seriously congratulate you, EmpLemon. Before this video I knew next to nothing about Smash Melee and less than nothing about Hungrybox. I merely clicked on this video because it was in my recommended. Once I saw that it was over an hour long I had no intention of finishing the video. However, I still wanted to get a taste of it, so I watched a bit. That little bit was so compelling that I stayed for the entire 1 hour and 24 minutes. Within that time, the length of a literal movie, I came to appreciate Smash Melee, it's history, community, tournament scene, and its players. I came to appreciate Hungrybox. Without any prior history with the game or its players, and only passing interest in learning about those things, you made the topic interesting, fun, and entrancing enough to make me care. You clearly have skill and determination and I wish you the best going forward.
HungryBox will probably never see this, but in case he does... Keep it up man. Watching your sets is like watching Joseph Joestar with the methodical, patient approach you take. Keep it up legend, you got at least one fan out there popping off with ya.
I discovered Hungrybox when I got recommended his reaction to Kazuya getting into Smash. Listening to his story has made me love and respect him even more. Thanks for the awesome story
Honestly, I think this video and others have gone a long way to improve the general perspective on Hungrybox, especially with everything he's been doing with Ultimate. He really deserves credit for being so impactful.
I love this video. I don't even play Smash and I still found it fascinating and well put together. The effort you put into this video is very apparent and I appreciate it.
Every time I watch this I'm reminded of the confidence and willpower you need to compete. You need to be in such a refined mindset that not many people can reach.
This video is from this really rare gems that you watch every minute with absolute pleasure. Nothing can hold my attention for more than 5-10 minutes and to watch something for so long about genre that i hate and game i've never even heard of ... yeah Fantastic job brother!
It’s incredible how many times I’ve watched this video. Even more so Hoe often the algorithm shows it to me and I have to click it each time. One of the best videos I’ve watch. Thoroughly researched and given the attention and care it deserves. To this day I can be inspired by HBox because we are all the same. Wanting to fit in and be acknowledge for our accomplishments. I’m so glad hbox continued with his dream.
I did not know his story, but I feel like one of the keys of his hard work and success is that he got to quit his job as an engineer to fully commit to Melee. Imagine working so hard that you get to competitively play as a Pokemon on a Nintendo videogame and that's your job!
Wins are like finally catching a hard Jigglypuff. Loses are like failing to catch or fainting to a hard Jigglypuff. Players are the trainer and need to decide whether they will catch and accept the Jigglypuff, ignore it and leave it alone, or fight it and take it down mercilessly no matter what it takes. Juan should be more respected. Please take back and fix what you despised.
this video helped me to not only appreciate someone I already considered to be my role model in competitive smash, but also to appreciate a game that I never played :)
12:45 imagine being a fucking master at your own game, only to be beaten by a kid who probably didnt even know melee existed and only entered for shits and giggles
I may not be a old head like others but one thing I learned from this video is that Hungrybox is and by far one of the strongest people I've ever seen on this shathole of a planet we live in and, I hope one day he can have peace with the shit of haters of the smash community because once he gone they gonna be begging him to come back "because of their boredom" (or whatever the flack they say) who are highly skilled players who spend their lives practicing on this damn whatever of a game this is and, I applaud to everyone who do that because that takes a lot of time to achieve such level of skill to play at such levels. If there's one wish I had to say, I'd say 'I hoped they (the people who do tournaments like the one in the video) just never to forget to have fun. It's not about just being competitive, it's also to enjoy playing the game as well. If you can't enjoy playing a game, then why still play it? Why force yourself to play because others want you to, the only ones to control you and to truly make the decisions is you. Always think about yourself before doing anything, even if waking up in the morning to go to work. Whose says that you have to go to work, if you don't feel like doing it then don't, simple, buttttt you won't have money in the end, buttttt it's YOUR choice in the end sooooo yea. [<_<"] cough totally didn't do that so- cough yea
Great video. Although I’m bias because ultimate is what got me into smash I think it is the better competitive fighter because it’s roster allows for more play styles
If you take away Armada’s essentially guaranteed wins in Final Destination HBox pretty much trounced Armada and it’s patently obvious if you watch the GF and skip the two games fought on that level. Good job bro!
Hungrybox is the only reason why i play any smash games. He gives off so much good vibes when the only thing he gets back is just terrible people lashing out on him for winning and achieving a goal in life literally even if he loses he gives handshakes and hugs, Dude is the epitome of kind. To this day ive tried to get better at Jigglypuff because i support Juan entirely.
Ok wait ive never been involved with melees competitive community since i was a child back then but how did people see that reddit exchange and think that hungrybox was the bad guy in the situation when mango is litteraly shittalking him even tho hungrybox isnt far behind him at all
Am I the only one that truly believes that hungrybox planned all of this from the very start in a sense of desperation he would do a really low low in a really high high when you work that hard you start to go crazy and develop insane strategies
Never heard of HungryBox but im def a fan now. Sounds like a true underdog in his own community. in response to 1:15:30 I think that this situation with Hungrybox is the exact reason people outside smash look down on the community, I mean a group that despises its top player who brought more attention to the game is pretty self destructive. Probably why nintendo wont touch melee
Random side note, I appreciate you using music from Pokemon Battle Revolution in the background. Arguably the best ost music ever made for a type of Pokemon video game
I respected melee but I don’t play it I play more ultimate but I am a fan of Hbox. After watching this I respect melee and Hbox so much more great video.
T Mo2021-11-09 05:33:13 (edited 2021-11-09 05:35:55 )
Sure I’d want to see someone with 66 tournament wins lose once but I don’t understand the hate it’s just, mad cause bad. Wish I would’ve been into smash tournaments when I was younger, Hbox is a hero and way better than the others for beating top players with Jiggly, I never liked Jiggly but after seeing this video I have respect for it
I’ve literally never heard of these people before but seeing “Mango”, the #1 player in 2013, respond to someone saying “I don’t respect you as a person but I respect your skill” with “LMAOOOOO UR BAD KID GET REKT” says a lot
Man the intro songs unlocked some real deep memories from me. Was not expecting that and the entire time i was thinking what the fuck what is this song i know it!
I was there when hbox won GameTyrantExpo 2017, which was apparently the biggest prize pool in the history of melee tournaments, $30,000! 1:01:01 I even got a photo with him and then asked mew2king what he thinks of Utah. He said it sucks there’s no scene here at least compared to Cali or Florida. Overall I will never forget the memories I made that weekend and will forever have a part in melee history.
So uh I might be wrong about GameTyrantExpo having the biggest prize pool in history, probably yea. However I heard it often before the tournament back then 2017. I dunno
Okay, this is going to be a long ass comment, so please ladies and gentlemen, grab your popcorn and your drink of choice.
First, I don't care about Super Smash Bros. I played it on the N64 and that was it. So I couldn't care less about Melee, and yet, here I am, having spent one hour and twenty four minutes watching this. So, congratulations to Emp for the amazing documentary. You managed to make someone who doesn't follow the game at all, and who never played it (Melee) not only watch it, but care about it and relate to it.
Second. Hungrybox has been winning like a monster, yeah? Yeah. But for each win he has, he probably has an equal amount of losses, if not even more losses than wins. Not only that, but he does so with a character that isn't played competitively by most top players. Furthermore, although he USED to have emotional outbursts, that has changed, he has changed, and so this cannot be considered as a reason to 'hate' him (I'm assuming people use that as an excuse to hate the guy).
This is different from some people being champions for years even though they are not that good (they may have been, but declined and managed to keep winning because of their team or their gear). No, this isn't a fluke. Hungrybox's success is result of literal YEARS of grinding, of training, of practicing, of dedicating himself to this game. Of course he keeps his Jigglypuff knowledge a secret, I would do it as well! Because it was HIM who, after painstakingly grinding, managed to acquire such knowledge.
So TL;DR, Excellent video, Hungrybox good, the guy deserves it, cheer him on folks and before I forget: I'm already a fan, Hungrybox.
idk what I'm doing on this video. Melee is the one smash game I've never played and probably never will, and i've never cared about the competitive scene. And yet, here I am
Hungry box when mad is like facing a lvl 9 cpu after you taunt. They always seem to hit everything frame perfect. If you don’t believe me try it & when i say try it I mean don’t play campy either
I can sorta understand someone throwing something at a player who doesn’t like the outcome of a match. But who the fuck just carries a fucking crab into an arena
He is a true champion all the way. Those hater are just... lame hater. And those jerk make him a much better god champion that any others. Man, continue to smash them with your puff!
I don’t have a lot of knowledge about competitive gaming other than what’s been shown here so correct me if I’m wrong please. But it seems that the difference between HBox’s Jigglypuff and Armada’s Peach is that during his era of highest exposure, Armada’s strategy was to use a workhorse Peach to get him to the show and then switch to a thoroughbred Fox to actually win it. This would mean that Armada’s absolute highest level of exposure and gameplay would still be with the “sick ass” Fox, while HBox would use that “gay ass” Jigglypuff at all levels of play. Armada wasn’t “embarrassing the community” on the highest stage but HBox supposedly was.
Armada only ever played fox against hbox, leffen and ppmd the reason people enjoyed it more was because armada was much more active in neutral and his peach had a very unique and exiting punish game while puff's (mostly hbox's) punish game is very televised/Samey and hbox camped a lot in neutral.
I think it was the time-outs, ledge stalling, bair camping, etc. There was some amount due to jiggs, but honestly that dropped away lately since he had been playing really dope. He hasn’t been playing well lately, but I hope if/when he returns to form he plays like he played in 2019.
That's always been a bit of a strawman, if you talk to the majority of the community they would say they respect Hbox's skill despite his playstyle but the reason they dislike him is because his emotions seem so performative and he has a reputation for being an asshole to fans.
The real hate comes from back in the day when he was pulling puff post off smash boards and looking at opponents controller for di, in general it is said he is not nice to puff players and my friends played him in doubles and he was an asshole to them
Most people are cool, it’s just a vocal minority. Basically everybody chose who would be the heroes and villains in the community, it’s all basically people playing parts.
People picked up Fox to counter him. If anything, he created more fox mains. Most characters can combo fox hard. Jigglypuff soft counters half the cast and hard counters another quarter. No one wants to play sheik against puff, peach is completely Un winnable, ice climbers lose, falco is okay but the matchup is largely unexplored. Pikachu loses bad and Marth just developed a game plan against puff. Samus loses
@Luke Rose He didn't make more fox mains, he made fox secondary's. There is only a single top player who started maining fox as a result of jigglypuff (plup). The fact that there is only 1 good Puff player even further proves that. Almost no one is going to switch off of a character they have been using for YEARS to counter a character that no one uses except for 1 top player.
watching emp retell hungryboxes story really struck a cord within myself, watching him get broken down, and belittled every step of the way, yet rising from the ashes like a phoenix. it sparked some sort of long lost motivation in me
I think the fact that he is the ONLY Jiggly , in the top 35, proves he is a great player, and it is not just due to JigglyPuff mechanics. Defensive characters, are always seen in a negative light in fighting games. The reason being because they usually demand another player take initiative, in order for them to capitalize/counter... very often opting to camp, until the opportunity arises. This can be seen as a very boring strategy, should the other player not take attacking initiative.
And this is what I loved about Melee’s community (and Hbox). The resilience and dedication to the Game.
Theoretically it should be stagnant- no updates, no support, everyone wants/expects it to die. No updates? Just dig through the rich code, have shifting metas based around playstyle, and adapt.
Many competitive games go through major metas people hate. CSGO had the AUG and pistols, LoL had the juggernaut and Ardent Censer, but Melee never really had a bad meta. Fox/Falco is always fast, Marth is always precise, Falcon is always hype, and the Dark Horse heroes like Axe and Amsa always have a place. And if we’ve always liked the game itself, why should we ever drop it?
Major love for the makers of this video, and major love for Hbox being the people’s champ without being “their” champ.
Random Schmid2020-04-24 14:11:20 (edited 2020-04-24 14:12:16 )
if it wasnt balanced, tournaments can still ban certain playstyles or mechanics. In fact, there is a wobble combo that "bugs" the opponent, preventing him from taking action for the entire round, and generates an automatic win in most cases, and its easier to execute than a normal wobble. Its banned, and the community adjusts to it. Furthermore, infinite wobble until the time runs out is also banned. Rules > game balance
@elgatochurro IIRC no one has won a major by wobbling. You might be able to take a game against a highly ranked opponent, but gimmicky play like that won't win consistently enough to be viable.
I've gained a new profound respect for Hungrybox, someone I know very little about until now. I've also gained a insane new pround respect for you. EmpLemon and SaveAsUntitled. For making this insane documentary that peaked my interest even though I've never played Melee. This is a masterpiece of a documentary and a extremely motivating story about perseverance.
@Mister Metokur He's refrencing the fact that Leffen often bans words that lead to drama on his twitch chat. He, for example, has Hbox and "Gay" banned from his chat (even tho he's fine with calling people autistic and retarded).
I imagine a couple of people are going to bug him to watch this video, and he'll get annoyed by it. (Tho realistically he'll simply say its too long and not bother)
I do think Leffen has good intentions, but he has a very strict Honesty > Niceness mentality that gets him in trouble a lot. Its why he's fine picking apart aspects of Hbox's personality that he doesn't like, he sees it as him doing him a favor when its really just rude. He cares more about what he says than HOW he says it...
I used to watch his streams a lot until I eventually realised I related to him a lot cause I shared a lot of his issues. I don't think he's horrible or anything, but I've kept more distance now as I slowly make myself a better person.
This whole Melee drama is kinda interesting, but like a lot of online drama, its very circle jerky and is a lot more subjective than people are led to believe.
I'm glad this comment section as a whole is agreeing Hbox deserves more respect, he's been dued it for quite some time!
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” -Theodore Roosevelt
Brene Brown uses this quote in her research in vulnerability and whole heartedness. Definitely good to look up her work if this quote resonates with you.
I just believe that most of the melee community is filled with toxic people, but that's just an opinion of mine, though the community is kinda killing it's own game by being me to it's one last melee god
When Emp said that HungryBox is essentially carrying the torch of all the gods as the last god remaining it actually made me tear up a bit. The notion of a new generation rising within melee makes the future exciting and even more interesting to watch, but I also can't help but feel sad that Hbox in the grand scheme of things is pretty much the last one of his kind aside from some other players still trugging with interest dying out one by one.
Agreed. As great as it is to see how much Melee is flourishing, it saddens me to think we may never really see the likes of M2K, Armada, and PPMD at the top again.
0:00 Intro 5:55 Early History of the Franchise, & Competitive Scene 13:59 The Gods Vs. The Old Generation 15:22 Era of the Five Gods 22:33 Jiggly Puff Vs. The Meta 30:07 Hungry Box Vs. The Best in the World 46:31 An Emotional Hungry Box Talks About his Dad. 46:55 Hungry Box Vs. Juan DeBiedma 51:15 Clutch Box at EVO 2016 1:02:55 Hungry Box Vs. The Last of the God 1:05:03 Hungry Box Vs. The Melee Community 1:33:55 Hungry Box isn't Melee
In a game where everyone else plays meta, this guy broke free of that meta on a char that was considered weaker than others and managed to win with that
I don't know of the guy personally, but having a toxic community attacks and belittle your achievements it will drive almost anyone to retaliate and have an "attitude"
This documentary actually shows a pretty interesting thing that's being discussed about in behavior and learning even to this day. Where literal practice will increase the neural pathways and the skill a person has based on the time they put into things. Most of the people in the world that have been attributed to being "gifted" or the like are almost seen to be untouchable but you've gotta realize that no one just gets to where they are due to no research, practice, or general knowledge of what they are doing. Anyone can do anything they set their mind to do. You just have to have a healthy mindset and the will to continue on even when you hit walls or failures, to assess what you're doing and how you're doing and always looking for improvement. That curiosity, that need to turn something you have up a notch is a drive that will get you further and further in life. We often see newer players coming out of the blue and dethroning older players. Some could attribute that to the older player just becoming older and reflexes declining. Which might be some of it- however I feel that the biggest thing is that the older players of games, the older teachers of mathematics, sciences, inventors, engineers and the like are these pillars that are laying down, or standing upon a foundation which others can see and eventually become equally apart of. Just have to keep it up and continue moving forwards, only look back for inspiration in your successes and to realize where you went wrong in your failures. Don't stay stuck within a rut and continue to be the best you can be.
Any person of average intelligence can become a world class chess player if they have a love for the game and start playing at an early age. Practice, and dedication is all it takes to master anything.
Fans who dont like h-box: *putting pressure on h-box* H-Box who works better under pressure: *starts dominating harder but with a raw crab by his side*
K D Yes cause there is no risk when you approach with a light weight character to perform rest, a move which only works if your character’s model touches the opponent, and if it misses you will be completely helpless such that you are almost sure to lose a stock.
I only recently discovered melees competitive scene. And as a jigglypuff main, i always thought i was mostly alone in that. This was so cool to see. And i have a lot of respect for hbox. You too emp. This was really inspiring and entertaining.
He was the number one player, he has focused more on streaming and Smash bros Ultimate a different Smash game on the Nintendo Switch. I wish this year he would take Melee seriously again because he's recently been playing melee :D
yt translated the title to another language coz of my settings and now the title is goofy coz SOMEONE had "place dots on double spaces" enabled while they were making it, take a look at this load of crap: "Nunca Mais terá outro jogador de Smash Bros. Melee igual ao Hungrybox" am still dropping a like, noice content
I think the "Five Gods of Smash" comes from a similar concept within classic fighting games, in that the Five Gods of Fighting Games are Daigo, Tokido, sako, Haitani and Nuki. From what I've heard, these players started their God status with Vampire Savior (Darkstalkers 3), although most Americans are unfamiliar with that game and so most believe they started with Street Fighter III Third Strike instead.
@McPeanut I know but I think simulators are best played in PC or mobile because controllers are for action games. For me the Super Mario series games are action games.
He is not killing the game, he made me want to play and here I am, i started 1 week ago and i LOVE this game, im really noob, but its to fun i cant stop!
While I'm not a competitive or even good melee player, I firmly place the Ice Climbers, with their lame-ass infinite, at the bottom of the sick list. It may be technical and difficult to execute, but it's boring as hell.
My question is why didn't they ban Ice Climbers from tournaments, they banned Meta Knight in brawl because he was broken, but they didn't ban Ice climbers in Melee even though they can just grab someone and ctrl alt delete them into the blast zone.
So, yes they should get placed at the very bottom of the sick list, better yet, they don't even deserve it.
Compared to this masterpiece, the new melee documentary just sucks. THIS is how you tell a story. THIS is relatable, inspiring and makes me want to play melee
@Mike Marks Imma @ you to say I prefer ultimate but your opinion is completely valid and I respect you because your most likely not a serial killer or something else awful.
Mike Marks I’m starting to like the feel of melee more and more and I haven’t even battled a human yet. I wonder what I’ll feel if I start playing against other melee players.
As of writing this I’m also liking Ultimate less and less but maybe that’s because I’m not focusing on one character and get cheesed a lot more easily because of it. But maybe melee will be the same.
Mike Marks Nah mate ultimates better, it has the same competitive balance as melee, if not better, and it has a lot of casual advantages, and is just overall more balanced, oh yeah a the story mode is pretty good too. I feel like ultimate is just brawl and melee put together but better.
It's worth mentioning that Brawl even has a "feature" that adds a random 0, 1 or 2 frames of delay to every single one of your inputs, which is why something felt off for so many people.
Project M in its early days (but not for quite a while) would be the one to finally find and remove this behavior.
@Verd They saw what Melee had become and panicked a bit, not wanting it to happen again, so they backpeddled to make it as casual as possible so that it wouldn't form a competitive scene like Melee.
@Verd Sakurai was thinking about casual players, and prioritised their enjoyment over the competitive scene, even adding things in to sabotage competitive play, such as tripping. Unfortunately, he forgot to bring balance to the roster, and left it in darkness. The darkness, of course, being a shadow cast from the cape of a certain blue puffball, as he glides over and under the stage, ready to rain down a bombardment of attacks enforced with transcendent hit priority.
@Dinkeigh Ahh. Smash 4. Most notable for letting little Diddy drop, only to later replace the problem he presented with a bigger one; Bayonetta. It's like all the balance issues that Diddy had were involved in a trade, like a stock exchange.
Also the fact that Meta-Knight's attacks were nerfed too hard to the point where his attacks weren't reaching out as far as the animations would lead one to believe
I myself do find Puff gameplay to be boring, but I respect those who put a huge amount of effort to claw their way to the top. I respect Hbox greatly, even if I don’t enjoy watching him.
The only gameplay shown here that looked like it would be boring to watch was the puff vs puff fights, but it seems like those don’t really happen at that level since he’s the only top player maining puff
Hungrybox, if your watching, Thank you for devoting your life to pure determined perfection of your heart felt main! The strife against the hate only propels you further as a god, then some others that got the love. We are all persecuted and can relate to your persecution. Your humanity through adversity glistens as example for the rest of us to strife and aspire to be!
The music in this video is absolutely perfect. You captured so many complex emotions. That in the zone music... That earthbound spiritual trip music at the end, the classical music for the unsatisfying triumph... That Battle Revolution focus... Actually, the story telling is so incredible. The editing is incredible. The impartiality is incredible. I kid you not, this might be my favorite movie of all time. The kind of upbringing hbox had is always on my mind when I think about how "villains" in society form like they do.. The image of smash in the eyes of the fighting game community hits so close to home, as I had to overcome the desire to fit in and be "adultlike" before realizing what I thought to be childish nostalgia bait is actually the most sincere material that is, this applie in life philosophy in general. Seriously Emp, you have me up until 4:30. Super Smash Bros Melee has one of the greatest Legacies of any sport or similar practice in history, when considering the context of Bayo successfully killing Smash 4 at the same time ect... Few games have that same unique cult driven spirit. Old School Runescape is the only other thing I can think of that comes close. It's a game where people willfully grind their lives away with terrible graphics, only because the community has a story like no one else. Difference is that you can boil melee down to just a few characters. Amazing.
What I love about melee is the storylines. This video was made by one person and only about one (legendary) player. I can see a full documentary made by the best production studios about the whole story of melee. And it would be the best documentary ever.
incredible 💚
171340 likesthank you emp
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Props to you, man. Your thanks is overdue
13140 likesHey Hbox :)
5267 likesI don't know anything about Melee, but you are a legend. Cheers 🍻
8841 likesI didn't know who you were until Emp, but I think he's painted a very vibrant picture of your inner strength, and now that I'm aware of you, you have my support. Figured it was time you got some good feels your way, man. Keep up the Good Fight.
6833 likesDon’t give up and pleases do what you want don’t be forced : D
2543 likesHungrybox The living god himself.
2550 likesYou are such an inspiring person. Overcoming the odds when everything seems set against you. I'm in a horrible situation in my life right now. Nothing seems to be going right at all and it has felt increasingly hopeless every day. Seeing you succeed when the whole world is against you, that motivates me to keep moving forward and work to make the best of every day. This video couldn't have come at a better time for me. Thank you Emp, and thank you Hungrybox. No matter what anyone says, I have so much respect for you.
3267 likesGrats on ur success bro
994 likesill switch it up from every other reply:
698 likeshboxW
Watched you for years casually. Never knew you were in school for engineering and working as such for so much of your career. Dealing with the hate always earned my respect but hearing that you managed so much at the same time:... I’ve done similar juggling, so that you managed so much, I cannot begin to say how impressive that is to me. Keep it up man, your fans are less vocal, but reasonable people know how hard you worked. You deserve every bit of success and more.
1615 likesYo Hungrybox!!
262 likesOh my god what a cool guy
339 likesThank you Hungrybox
265 likesHungrybox youve got the spirit of Takumi
218 likesI LOVE YOU!!!
200 likesYou're my smash hero!
244 likesYou should commentate ultimate more if you can, you're one of my favorite commentators
348 likesit's about time your effort has been recognized :)
218 likesHungrybox I didn’t know you, but you have my respect. You are something nobody else is, the best. It’s probably lonely at the top, but you deserved so much more
333 likesU r a great person
116 likesJust want you to know that you're respected out here HBox!
134 likesrest easy my dude
177 likesYou playing puff in melee is what inspired me to play smash with items off, made me realize you don't need to be a tech demon to win matches, and win off fundamenals.
218 likesI got so much respect for you bro
95 likes¡Saludos desde Argentina bro! ¡Eres asombroso!
107 likesLove you man. Keep your head up high!!
66 likes💟
66 likesI LOVE YOU HBOX!
66 likesI've been a fan of Smash since 3DS, hell since Brawl when I played it on my friend's copy. I've heard a little bit about melee but not much, and this vid was a really good chance for me to stop and smell the roses. Good job on becoming number one. Never give up man.
107 likesYou did good mah man.
46 likesLove u Hbox, screw the haters
77 likesEven if you're hated by almost everyone I still love u Hbox is #1
65 likesI have never been a competitive Melee fan, but I've loved the game and the series since it's inception. Plus, I'm a huge DotA 2 esports fan, so I know how toxicity goes. DotA is well known for being the most toxic cesspit of all gaming pretty much because of how elitist and awful the community can be. It breaks my heart you were treated so terribly dude.
142 likesI'm glad you chose to be the bigger man, rose above the hate, and conquered the Melee scene anyways. Well done, you have my respect sir. Fuck the haters, you're the shit.
Congrats, man. You deserve this magnificent tribute. And Emp, what magnificent tribute it was 👏👏👏
68 likesI'm not into competitive gaming, but I have such respect for someone who has worked hard like you hungrybox, thanks for showing Jigglypuff the love. She was who I played in Melee back in the day when I played with my friends. 😊
77 likesNintendo finally buffed the puff in Ultimate, maybe this video will give your fanbase the buffs it deserves as well.
58 likesYou're a winner of a person dude, keep it up. Crabs cant beat the box
60 likesIt's what you deserve, Hungrybox!
26 likesSorry it took Emp for me to like you. Emp smashed the argument that Jigglypuff is inferior to other characters.
126 likesHope you have a good day.
You're the GOAT melee player. Well done mate.
39 likesyour puff is a joy to watch. the haters cant appreciate good melee.
47 likesI always thought you were cool, Hungry
30 likesDamn, guess I got some more twitch to watch.
22 likesthis video still contains some seafood
25 likesHungrybox I’m happy ya saw this
25 likesWhy he have to lock discord behind paywall?
13 likescongrats on second at genesis :^)
21 likesLETS GOOOOOOOO
16 likesYou know how hard you worked?
24 likesaw
11 likesI always loved jigglypuff and looked up to you for being the best with him
18 likesYour hate is legit unwanted really, feel sorry for ya, hope you get good!
29 likesNever was a fan of the smash games but you're undeniably a legend, man.
33 likesI don't watch much competitive tournaments but the way they treat you is just horrible. You are really inspirational the way you can keep going
59 likeskeep up the good work and fight the good fight. f@ck those haters:}
20 likesYooooo
10 likesWe love you bro.
13 likesHbox, you're an inspiration and honest to god the only reason I started caring at all about fighting games
13 likesYou are amzing nomather what others say.
8 likesI've left the Melee train ever since Brawl.
15 likesBut I respect you, keep on fighting and show those elitist who's the best Melee player.
Love you doode!
7 likesAlways loved you Hbox. If I see you on the street I'm definitely asking for your autograph.
16 likesI’ve never watched competitive melee in the past, but you’re now my favourite competitor. Never give up dude.
16 likesyou are incredible
10 likesOnly just learned about all of this and I gotta say you’re a legend man. I found myself rooting for you in this video essay. Shows how good you are at the game and how good emp is at making videos
19 likesHungrybox keep it up man
9 likesHungrybox you are the true clutchbox
16 likesClutchbox ❤️
25 likesHungrybox is Melee!
59 likesHungrybox is Melee!
Hungrybox is Melee!
Hungrybox is Melee!
Hungrybox is Melee!
Hungrybox is Melee!
this guy, right here.
25 likesabsolute L E G E N D
When’s the next tournament
8 likesAbsolute goddamn legend 💛💛💛
13 likesEven if the community is shit, for ppl like me (even more so after this video) you are a inspiration and the incarnation of the "Just Do It" meme.
26 likesWith much respect from Germany
You are one of the most inspirational people I have ever seen.
11 likesHungrybox hey man ignore the hate keep going I’m rooting for you
12 likesI never watched you play, I never was into Melee but god damn I respect you so much after this video for the perseverance and unshaken belief in yourself. You truly are an amazing person Hbox, never give into the haters.
16 likesHey Hbox
8 likesThat shit is inspiring man. As someone who is also trying to make it doing something I love, your willpower in the face of adversity is incredible.
15 likesHUNGRYBOX 💙
17 likesHUNGRYBOX 💜
HUNGRYBOX ❤
You're the best
10 likesHungrybox! Hungrybox! Hungrybox!
9 likesLove you Hbox. My wife thinks you are a saint and I wholeheartedly agree.
9 likesMelee never would've been the same without you, and no one can ever take that away from you.
8 likesThink I’m a new fan now! You deserve all the props
8 likesThank you emp
9 likesVery cool
Hungrybox you’re my favorite smash player
11 likesNo eres bueno, eres el mejor.
14 likesYou're the best Hungrybox :)
10 likesHungrybox you’re cool, man. Keep being the best.
6 likesYou really went through hell. Here's to you finally getting the recognition you deserve! Cheers mate!
4 likesThanks for all the influence in smash. You've proven to be one of the most respectful players, and because of that, I hope you maintain the number one spot forever. You deserve it.
4 likesGod bless you
5 likesGlad that emp introduced me to ya man, keep up the good fight no matter what others say
4 likes@Andrew Meyer I played Mele back in early 2000s it was a lot of fun, it was a good successor to smash bros. As I played pokemon>nintendo. and played ps2 more and xbox more. eventually settling for halo wars and pokemon and then mostly halo wars because less cheaters than pokemon and less chaotic.
3 likes@Andrew Meyer sammeee
3 likesLets go, you been my favorite of the five gods since i was like 12
4 likesI'm not a big Smash fan, but you're a cool dude.
5 likesHungrybox kudos to you man
4 likesHungo cube
4 likesSaludos desde Argentina Juan Daniel
5 likesi mean i picked up jiggly puff because of hbox.
2 likesHe's right here!
4 likesbased on the title of the video I thought he was dead or something
seeing Emp's video and seeing that Samus, Falcon, Pikachu and other characters are being picked up in this new era of smash genuinely makes me think you singlehandedly saved melee.
30 likeslet that sink in: you forced a meta shift that made Melee 'new' again. and it's once again a wild west to figure out how to beat the best. and in a game with as many characters as smash, that's the best thing that can happen, is a natural meta shift as folks realize the old ways won't work anymore.
never feel bad for having done this to Melee by playing Puff that well, HBox.
🦀
10 likesYour story was very inspiring. I applaud your achievements and efforts. I've never cared much for smash, but your achievements are remarkable. I'm amazed youve held up as long as you have.
7 likesWe love you Hungrybox!
7 likesDunno if you'll ever read this, but you're amazing! Don't cut yourself short dude!
This video wouldn't have been possible without you and your awesome story. Keep it up dude, you'll always have people on your side!
8 likesYou have my respect man.
5 likesI hope this boosts your popularity and you get rewarded with fans you deserve :)
10 likesI think you know but this is a new Era of Hbox.
6 likesClutchgod ❤
6 likesHey, I respect you a lot.
6 likesI never learned to appreciate comp Melee until this story about Hungrybox
5 likesAbsolute legend
4 likesYeet
2 likesYou have my respect!
3 likesWere rooting for ya!!!
4 likesHungrybox holy shit I love hungry box now
3 likesvery epical smash skills my man
2 likesHungrybox
5 likesHungrybox You’re now my inspiration to be good at what I love thank you❤️
CRAB
1 likeHbox, I got into melee a few years back. I remember watching you win Evo 2016, and then wishing I could attend the Chipotle picnic you held.
18 likesI also remember being made fun of by friends for being a genuine fan of you, and being made fun of by so many others for liking competitive melee, even though I'm no good at the game.
I know people who have told me consistently that I am a failure, wasted potential. But your commitment and your example just helped me get into college. It helped me give 2 years of my life to serving others. I know you probably won't read this, but honestly thank you.
And Emp, thank you so much for giving my hero the credit he has deserved.
Hungriest of the Boxes
3 likesThe god himself
3 likesProbably means nothing in the grand scheme but, your work ethic and dedication to Puff is highly appreciated by this fan man :)
4 likesKeep doing your thing Hbox. :)
Hey, Hbox. I met you back at Forte 2 at the end of 2014. Big group of us were hanging out in the main room and someone complained about some other player being carried by Fox. You talked about how some might argue that you're being carried by Puff (which us funny in retrospect considering the whole Puffpocalypse thing), but that that sort of mentality is harmful and you should play who you enjoy playing. I still hold those words close today and just wanted to thank you for that, even if you 100% don't remember it. (But if you do, I'm still disappointed that PM got dropped from all the majors.)
8 likescheers man, your story is really inspiring
3 likesThanks you for persuing your dream
Thank YOU for creating such a story to tell
2 likes@ShrekNSkrub Gaming youre gonna make it breh
1 likeMy hero
1 likeYou are Juan in a million. Sorry lol. But a seriously inspiring experience.
7 likesYou rock Hbox
1 likeYou deserve more respect.
2 likesYou represent all of the people who were beaten down to a pulp,
And you have shown that even the most beaten down can rise to the top.
Please keep doing what you're doing.
Don't let people talk down to you like that.
You have my up most respect, Good luck. :)
Thank you hungrybox
0 likesHey hungrybox, keep on keeping on dude. You rode the hate train and for that you deserve love. So sit back, relax, and feel those good vibes
0 likesHungrybox the best puff in the world
0 likesYou the man puff daddy 😘
0 likesYou're a cutie, Argentinian beast
0 likesThe legend himself.
0 likesCongratulations, my guy.
Congratulations man. What an story.
1 likeWhat’s up dude, congrats
1 like🦀
2 likesMad props man.
1 likeYou earned every win you got.
I think you mean "wow! incredible!" as the announcer would say.
1 likeI've followed competitive smash on and off since 2013 and you deserve all praises for the work you've put in 👍🏽
2 likesyou deserve the praise mate
2 likesHbox you are my biggest inspiration!
2 likesSos un mago
0 likesTough loss at Genesis, you got it next time.
1 likeYou've probably moved far past it now, but do know that there are people who are fans of you and no other smash player. We've been in the shadows for the most part, being dismissed entirely by mang0 fans (my older brother included) but I write here to tell that you are my favorite of the 5 gods and no other. The community may seem cruel with most against you, but your fans are still out here, waiting patiently for your next victory.
7 likesYou're both legends <3
1 likeThe Legend.
1 likeWe love you
1 likeYes hbox
1 like@Shy Bandit He is showing his true skill. The fact that puff is so good is a problem with melee itself. If you were serious about getting good, you would do anything to win, like how a few of these pros dropped their mains for Fox. Your mindset is what keeps people like you in bronze league tier forever.
6 likesYou deserve better Hbox. You're a hero.
3 likes<3
♡
4 likesTo you my friend to you.
2 likesJust as others said,i didnt know who u were before the video,but damn dude you have my respect for all this effort and time you've put into this 20+ year old game,hope the community acknowledges it someday...although i bet you've earned the respect of everyone who watched the video,and tou know,that is hella lot of people
2 likesThank YOU Hbox!
2 likesYou're the goddamn best out there!
Clutchbox
1 likeCongrats man! Your story is pretty inspiring. :)
2 likesYour words about pushing on, despite being irrelevant to the topic at hand, where very helpful to me in school. Thank you
0 likesThe box has spoken.
1 likeFuck yes, this is cool
1 likeI found Hbox as the most relatable player because I know what it's like to have the feeling, not only of being alone (against my dad), but of the rest of the family that supporting me to become better.
1 likeyou deserve it champ
0 likesMad Respect bro
1 likeim proud of you!
1 likeGood job on ur victories man, u don't deserve all those people being mean.
1 likeMaybe we will never be the majority, but you will ALWAYS have fans.
0 likesHbox <3
1 likeMay not be your biggest fan, but I respect the hardwork and determination you've had over the years. Congrats, don't feed into those people trying to bring you down.
6 likesgordy subscribes to hungrybox, he deserves more love
1 likeI raise my glass to you, hbox you are a legend
1 likeYou are the best, Hungrybox, and remember: Never give up even if you feel like the whole competitive world of Melee is against you. You are the underdog of pure legend.
0 likesYou're a legend mate, don't let others tell you otherwise
1 likeHungrybox crab 🦀
1 likeWhassup God
0 likesHey Juan, congrats on all of your success. You've managed to have a positive impact on this huge community of people all while taking their beating. Good shit brother. I'm thankful that Melee is in your life. I Love and Respect what you do, your plays make me smile so thank you. I hope life treats you well
2 likesSeeing you on scoreesports is what got me into smash, I truly respect you a lot as a player, you are amazing.
0 likesyou have my respect dude.
0 likesYou've more than earned your title, God ❤️
1 likeYou are a LEGEND. Great Job not letting those people get to you over all these years.
0 likese
0 likesLove you man, thanks for fighting so hard for so long^^
1 likeMy kids in the future: Is God real?
1 likeMe: Kids, you better sit down cuz this'll be a long story...
Yay
0 likesKeep doing you. Best of luck in your future matches.
0 likesThe legend steps in
0 likesThe legend himself. Hungrybox is Sick
0 likesNever give up Hbox!!!!
1 likeI never gave a fuck about esports or anyone in it until I saw this. I'll be rooting for you from now on man.
3 likes👏
1 likeKeep it up H, the hunger never ends
2 likesNot only did you push past barriers perhaps unknown to any other competitive medium, but you kept a level of dedication for your character so powerful that you single handedly rewrote and redefined absolutely everything anyone thought they knew about melee. I can barely put to words the feats of your legacy in words that feel adequate, the term "Godlike" is tired out in any other context then you. The sheer willpower required to withstand the apocalyptic levels of vitriol and setbacks may rival any creature known to exist. I know this to be true by comparison and reflection- knowing how anyone could persevere in such a circumstance would be impossible to me without knowing your struggle. Your radiance shines too bright too go unnoticed.
4 likesYou are the hero no one deserved. It is because of you that Melee will live on and it is because of you so many others can persevere in their lives as you have yours. Thank you Hungrybox.
I comment as another individual who would like to congratulate you on your accomplishments. May the count of replies grow, signifying the overall agreement that you are a legend. Even if only in the eyes of us few.
0 likesMake a reaction video to this
3 likesNever give up your're an amazing player.
0 likesfighting the world and continuing to win. amazing job, legendary hungrybox!! i hope you're doin great man <3
0 likesSEMPAI NOTICE ME
0 likesThat was such a fantastic documentary. You may hate Puff all you want (I dislike him as well, but that`s not the point), but I always believed HBox's hate feels exagerated. Sure, he may not be my favorite player to watch, but he's a man that truly deserves respect. Not only he's loyal to his character (which is really rare in Smash these days), not only he improved Puff's meta, but he's also the one that conveys the struggle of Melee compared to other fighting games. He really deserves credit for everything he went through, and I just feel bad for him. His hard work and determination is really what makes me admire HBox as a player. :)
1 likeI've lost interested in Smash for a long time now but back when I first saw your gameplay, I cheered for you because you played a pink ball like I did casually (I mained Kirby). After watching this, I'm now cheering you on for your success even after I stopped playing and watching tournaments. Keep at it! Besides, you got a good degree to fall back on :)
2 likesGood job handling the hate, personally as a Jigglypuff player in ultimate, I enjoy seeing the representation, especially with someone who has as much skill as you
0 likesA proper tribute for a legend. Glad to know your inspiring story, and so sorry to hear about all your detractors.
0 likesYou are the kind of person who can succeed at anything you put your effort into.
I hope I can meet this Legend one day that I’ve always heard about
0 likesYou are truly incredible juan, despite everything that you had to go through to become number 1 is truly inspiring and admirable. We as a community should be eternally grateful for you gracing us with your presence and having a passion to do what you love. You are a prime example of having the heart and mind of a champion Thank you hbox!
2 likesAbsolute GOD. Truly an underdog story
1 likeYou're my hero
0 likesDude you are a fucking legend.
0 likesHBOX, you are an absolute legend. Your matches were some of my favorites to watch and you were the reason I mained puff in melee. Thank you for all your hard work. I wish nothing but the best for you.
1 likeHey I'm not big into melee, but thanks for everything man. Glad to see you're getting some love.
1 likeI never thought I would say this, but thank you for all you have done for melee hbox. I hope the whole community can watch this video and have the same empathy I now do for you. TY emp lemon!
0 likesI love you man. Keep it up king
0 likesThe God... The Myth... The Man...
2 likes❤ Hungrybox! ❤
Youre incredible my guy
0 likesMan, you are one of the three inspirations for trying to be competitive in smash. Thank you
0 likesHungrybox 🦀🦀🦀🦀
2 likesYEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH HUNGRYBOX HUNGRYBOX HUNGRYBOX YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION!!!!!!!
0 likesWe love you hungrybox!
0 likesWell done my dude, you may be the games’ “villain” but you’re a hero to many as well
1 likeThanks hb
0 likesur sick, keep it up
0 likesAfter watching this, I feel sorry that you were never loved for the skill you had.
6 likesI wish more people were fans for you being unique, instead of ostracizing you for not being the way they wanted.
By far my favorite Smash player of all time being shown in a way i never knew. This is incredible and i love you HBox
0 likes<3
0 likesGood villains are under appreciated.
1 likeYou are my inspiration for gaming dude, your a fucking legend. Keep kicking on Gengis Juan. 😍😍😍
0 likesThere’s so much more Melee to be played, but it wouldn’t be nearly as meaningful if you weren’t a part of it. Thanks for making this game INCREDIBLE to watch and be a fan of. Cheers Hbox. 👍🏻
0 likesYou deserve way more praise and love. Keep pushing hbox, we all love you ❤️
0 likesDude, I've gottta say, learning about your journey and alll of the circumstances you've overcome has moved me. It reminded me of my outloook on life that I had alll the way back in midddle schoool when I was literallly ostracized by the entire student body; persevere to the cold, bittter end. I never got into competitive gaming, but I did manage to pick up my own identity and realize who I wanted to be. And from that moment on, I've beeen striving to achieve my goals til I seee them through.
2 likesSeeeing your story has reminded me of the burgeoning fire that is determination, and has reignited the waning flame inside of me even more. To be honest, my current endeavor to be a streamer while pullling a fulll-time job while also taking on biggger responsibilities at my local church has recently beeen exhausting me, but this...
This reminded me of what it means to persevere.
Now, I know you've probably seeen more than enough of the love from everyone here in the commments section, and I imagine that you've probably beeen skimmming through it enough to get your filll, but I just want to personallly say thank you for being you; for being unwillling to submit to the massses and persevering through unrivaled circumstance. You are what we alll should aspire to be like. Alll that I can hope for is that you seee this commment in the ocean of positive feeedback you have here so that at the very least, you can hear of my story as welll, even as modest as it may be.
God blesss, and here's to the future.
Congratulations man your struggle is inspiring! Seeing how hard you try gives me the motivation to continue.
0 likesSo glad you're out there doing what you do. I'm studying engineering right now, and I feel like I'm against the wall all the time, and that's without trying to be the number one in the world at *anything*.
0 likesAnd honestly, who wants to see an endless parade of the same old characters for 20 years anyway? Thanks for shaking things up.
It’s honestly impressive how hard you worked to overcome everything. You really set a good example for people that are trying to get better at anything and move forward.
0 likesdunno anything about smash but you're a real one.
0 likesAlways been on your side bro keep it up
0 likesI'm happy someone finally gave you the credit you deserved mate!
1 likeBeen a fan of you since I got into melee in 2015 and I'll continue being a fan till you retire!
Knock 'em dead Hbox!
Hungrybox I know you’ll never see this but like I’m new to the smash community and I really want you to know you’ve been an inspiration to me for a while, I just started playing in smash ultimate but I heard about your ego win after getting second 2 years in a row and that has been a mindset I’ve tried to attain and keep for a long time now, just like you deserve more props than you get and I should’ve followed your story more closely because it’s so much more inspirational than I could’ve imagined
0 likesThis is so epic
0 likesYou are a legend, dude.
0 likesYou're incredible man. I never knew the Melee community could be this bad, and after all the shit they put you through, you have become one hell of an inspiration.
0 likesThe one and only!!!
0 likesI love you so much hungrybox you are such a big inspiration for me to do good and try hard no matter what
0 likesWhenever someone tells me "Don't play that character, it's bad" I say, "That's what they told hungrybox about jigglypuff" and they have no idea what i'm talking about. But I do.
3 likesInvute this man to "Hot Juans."
0 likesI’m so happy you saw it. One of the best videos I’ve watched in years, not just smash video, but just YouTube videos in general
0 likesIf at first you dont succeed try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try try again. Seriously, congrats on sticking with it
0 likesman you're amazing man! I admire your determination and you make go forward in life!!
0 likesI've always told everyone it's not about how you win it's about winning anyway you can it doesnt matter if its "lame". You are clearly doing something not many others are and it's working and I respect that man never give up. I'm rooting for you.
2 likesDont let people get too under your skin. You're pretty cool from what I saw over the years.
0 likesI support you! You're a very accomplished person with the heart of a formidable, Argentinean ox!! Be proud of your success in life, in game, and in yourself!
0 likesYou are what your father said you couldn't, Juan!!
saw the thumbnail and thought crabbybox was dead. Such a shame that's not the reality. most coward and dislikable person ever in the smash scene. you know who I am.
0 likesI'm hyped to see you at pound this year as well
0 likesHey, I dunno if you are gonna read this or not, but like...
3 likesI have such an incredibly deep respect for you, the things you've accomplished, and... quite frankly, it only runs deeper now for watching this.
Thank you, Hungrybox. Thank you for elevating Melee, eSports in general, and proving that you have far more mental fortitude and patience than anybody I've ever met, both on a game-to-game basis to play such a comprehensively campy and patient game of campy footsies in a game that people wanna see dumb executional BS, and for taking the endless deluge of crap that flows like it's the spice trade from Dune. I feel like being able to bair at the internet hate mob to keep them out is far more impressive of a feat than anything any of the other gods, ken, or anyone else has done.
(for real though, I think my favorite smasher is aMSa for reppin' my boi Yoshi)
You are an insane player even if not the favorite of the community you have earned your respect in my mind
1 likeCongratz juan echale janas hungrybox
0 likesCongratulations juan echale janas hungrybox
0 likesStay hungry mister box
1 likeI remember saying, "HBox is gonna win" at Evo 2016 and the people watching the stream with me laughed. I never cheered for anything as hard in my life when you made that comeback, you're amazing dude. Props
4 likesYou are the GOAT of melee, and smash Bros in general. You are an inspiration and a great person. God bless you Juan.
0 likesCrab
2 likesI had no idea about you until today, but seeing your rise inspired me. You clawed your way out of the depths and now stand on top of the world. Keep going man! You earned it.
0 likesHUNGRYBOX! HUNGRYBOX!
0 likesBasedbox
1 likeI dont know if this story is true,and you do got all det hard way up,but even if this story is just a 1/8 of truth,man,you are an inspiring legend.
0 likesgg Hungrybox, gg
0 likes@Ghashrael wowee such salt.
4 likesI'm not even a member of the Smash Community, and I think this is one of the most amazing things I've ever watched all the way through. Your awesome dude, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
0 likesHey Hbox. Watched you casually for years man. I can't make it out to the events usually but try to catch some of the reuploads. Don't let the haters get you down. Amazing work man !
0 likesI must say, I've been following your story for a while Hbox and all i can say is: I look up to you. You inspire so many so rise from the literal pit of defeat to clutch a win. You my friend are a legend and I hope you reign for years to come. Long live Hungrybox!
0 likesI have so much respect for you Hbox. Stay strong knowing you've accomplished so much, helped build such a strong community, and you do in fact have fans supporting you!
1 likeYou deserve this
0 likesJuan you gotta get on Cold ones!
0 likesi hope the haters watches this and learn their hipocracy, the hate you've got is undeserved and like bullying there just aren't anyone who can stop it fully, but you've perservered, and now you're at the top, youaren't killing melee, you're expanding the roster of competitively used caracters, and variety sounds good to me, if every matchup was a fox-fox or fox-falco, watching would get boring quickly.
5 likesRespect your skills bro but i do find the whole crab thing hysterical. Just cause its such a fucking wierd thing to happen.
0 likesWho tf throws a crab at someone? Over a video game?
If that happened in Florida i woulda understood cus yknow. Floridaman.
But fucking Maryland??
Despite that sorry your win got rained on by some jackass that was saltier than Lots wife
Your a legend box, dont let them keep you down
0 likesLove you hungrybox no homo
1 likeNo matter what happens, you are a man of determination, integrity, courage, and passion, and a damn good melee player too. Godspeed.
0 likesI straight up cried during this, I never even followed this community.
1 likeHbox you deserve this tribute man, you da best.
You inspire to me to play Jigglypuff and actually play melee
0 likesyou are so inspiring, i look up to you <3
0 likesI dont understand the bate. More of an inspiration. But eh,
0 likesI wanna give you a hug. You are the best.
0 likesokay legend
0 likesAlright, imma go for it. Maybe this comment will go unread. And I’ll just be another voice on the internet. But I wanna take this opportunity. It’s people like you, Juan, who inspire me to be better. Not just at smash, but at life. To always be the bigger person. To always say “good game” after a set and shake hands, no matter what the outcome is. We all lose, We all get salty. We all want to just die inside when we lose to mistakes we know we could have avoided. And we all have moments where we want give up. Ive played the smash series from start to its current state and everything in between. I’ve been playing Ultimate since launch, competitively however, only been playing Since October. And I wasn’t so hot then, but I’ve won (probably one of the smallest locals in San Diego) my first tourney with people I know are beyond my current skill level. And I recently beat a Bayo/Peach main at a different tourney who almost made San Diego Pro-Ranking. I know these aren’t incredible feats and that they don’t even hold a candle like to what you have accomplished. I only strive to get there. I’m just some Banjo main who was lucky enough to be born in a city where, this game I’ve loved so much my entire life, actually has lots of competitive activity. But your story, Juan. You are one of those people who make me ACTUALLY BELIEVE that “anything is possible”. It’s been told to myself and countless others. People in your corner will tell you this to never stray you from the path you wish you forge. But YOU, HBox,You worked hard for all your success, and you didn’t let anyone stop you. That’s real power. That’s real determination. You are truly amazing. People told me that this dream I had, to be one of the best (at least in San Diego) was a pipe dream. Something that “thousands of other men want sO DeSpErAtLy” But you made that into a reality. I know it’s not impossible now. It will be hard as shit. And will take years haha. But like you said “I’ll play this game for 20 more years” 🥰😁
10 likesTLDR; Juan, HBox, thank you. Everything you’ve done, and everything you’ve accomplished. It’s inspirational. It’s beautiful. And most importantly. You showed everyone... it was never impossible to be the best. Thank you for being someone I could look up to as an excellent and pristine smash players. Thank you. For taking this journey, for putting up with stupid asses calling you gay or throwing crabs at you (like wtf was that even about, why a crab, dumbasses. I’d like to think he got banned for doing that). But most importantly, thank you for being here. After seeing your win at Evo, I don’t think I ever saw smash the same again, or knew how badly I wanted to win. I don’t think I would have found out I was hungry for this. I’ll work for it, and I’ll get my ass beat 10,000x over. If it means I can be one of the best, at least in San Diego, gotta have a short term goal too 😅😅
Sorry for the read. This whole hour and a half video got me crying thinking about all the bad people have told me when trying to sway me away from this path. Even if this doesn’t reach HBox. I’m grateful to anyone who got this far. 💚🪕 Thank You
We love you hbox!!!! You don’t deserve the hate :(
0 likesHungrybox the juan and only man himself what a legend
0 likesThanks for sticking around and pushing the game to this day. Melee would never have been the same without you ❤️
0 likesI didnt know it was that way... You're such an inspiration. You can do it and you made me believe i can do it too.
0 likesI hope you're good. I want to be like you
You dont just get handed the number one spot. Good shit hbox. Keep it up!
0 likesHey Hbox
0 likesI only really tuned into Melee games when you were playing, congrats on your #1 ranking!
0 likesYou have been my fav player H-box. Continue to kick butt.
0 likesHungrybox te lo ganaste, ni sabía quién eras pero vi el video completo, pude sentir el esfuerzo y dedicación que dedicaste por toda tu carrera. EmpLemon te dedicó un video de una hora y media, ve a celebrar, tomate algo ;)
1 likethe smash melee god that smash melee deserve.
man... I never clued into competitive smash. Melee was my childhood. It is hands down my favourite game ever made. Seeing your story has been real emotional. I can't imagine anyone doing anything other than celebrate the BEST of their community. I'm glad you've gotten some love thanks to Emp.
1 likeVery wholesome story :)
I hope things look up for you
They hate you because they ain't you! Never give in to them!
2 likesI love you hungry
0 likesI love you hbox
0 likesYou really do love to see it.
0 likesAs someone who plays tank in most games i respect the smart patient playstyle you embody. godspeed hbox
0 likesHaving seen this all, I am impressed with your gameplay style, and I’m now interested in watching you. You got a new sub. I’ll be watching you, HBox.
0 likesYou're an inspiration Hbox, keep being fantastic.
0 likesLegend
0 likesI didn't know the melee Community could be so toxic also i got massive respect for ya hbox you're a true character loyalist, and massive respect to you too emp this documentary was very well produced.
1 likeI hope the toxicity of the community eases up thanks to this video.
1 likeI admire all the effort you put into such an old game, Hungrybox. 👍🏼
Hungrybox ❤️
0 likesKeep fighting man
0 likesYou are one of my biggest inspirations in smash with your ridiculous amount of persistence
You matter so much, not just in this community
0 likesW, the underdog of smash
1 likeYour my favorite smash player. Keep kicking ass, H-box!
0 likesSome day hbox may not be good but he will always be the best to me
0 likesi was never interested in competitive melee, not even playing the game, the community is one of the most entitle toxic community out there, but I always knew who the 5 god of melee were, I always knew how impactful their tournaments can be, but between my friends we knew you more as clutchbox, the player that can come back up at anytime anywhere a game you featuring would be the most intense and fun match to watch , and now that I know your history, dude you are not only a legend in the game but a legend as a human being, with all the hate and toxicity the community throws, you always come back stronger, mad respect you man, you deserve the #1 title
0 likesYou truly are an inspiration man, awesome job you've done enduring all those hardships!
0 likesKeep on playing h box
0 likesVery inspiring mad respect for you Hungry Box
0 likesYou're the reason I started maining puff, thank you Hbox
0 likesHeya, Boxy!
0 likesAnd remember to tech
1 likeLove you HBOX. Never change.
0 likesJuan did you ever figure out who threw the crab? Did you get a chance to slap that hat off his face?
0 likes<3 youre a true inspiration man
0 likesWholesome
0 likesWe stan juan
0 likesA true king doesn’t neglect his subjects
0 likesThanks hungry box
0 likesYou're my favorite smash player
0 likesIm happy for you man.
0 likesHbox we love you !!
1 likeBetween this video and the Akshon Esports one it's plain to see how fucking disgustingly the melee community has treated you. I hate how people refuse to see others online as human beings. Congratulations on sticking it out through all the years and seeing it through all the way to the top your way rather than giving in to the pressure to quit or abandon your main, you've unquestionably earned it.
2 likesDid you cry
0 likesand thank you man
0 likesLmao that one shot of Thanos with the headband caught me so off guard.
0 likesHbox man, I've never understood where the hate comes from, you've been my favourite player for years now. Keep doing your thing, it might be lonely at the Top, but you've earned it buddy. The community is a bunch of whiney spoiled babies.
It's funny how the community doesn't like you when as a "fighting game player", but not a smash player, you are by FAR my favorite smash player. I don't think it's the character that's good, it's the player, and that's what's so special.
3 likesLET'S GO HBOX
0 likeswe love you clutchman
0 likesI always liked Puff for their rest mechanic. I didn't follow the melee scene other than knowing them. Better players in 4 talked about competitive stuff, which is how I got to know things and watched them on YouTube.
0 likesThanks for making Puff number one in melee for so long. You're an inspiration to anyone that playing your favorite character is more important than picking the best and 'optimizing' them.
I don't hate you Hbox, but no lie the way you play makes it hard for me not to. One trick puffs lmao
0 likesHungrybox i like because you are different from all the normie melee players. Thats is what makes you special. Kerp being you!
0 likesI LOVE YOU YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION THANK YOU FOR NEVER QUITTING
0 likes@HenryAfro we love you hbox
0 likesyou deserve ALL of your success. well done. you have a permanent fan in the stands.
0 likesNice
0 likesHope you are doing well.
1 likeI really respect you
Hey I don't follow pro Melee but to me you're a champ Clutchbox. I'll be rooting for you next EVO!
0 likesYou are a inspiration to the smash community <3, and this video from Emp was amazing
0 likesH box is the man
0 likesI'm typing in the same chat as a god... MonkaS
0 likesHungrybox, you MADE melee last as long as it has
0 likesYou are cool, man. Keep the good work.
0 likesyou are my literal inspiration for smash. i want to be as good with low tiers as you are. love from a fellow argentinian
0 likesYour incredible. You made me want to become better at smash I’m dedicating more time to it. Thank you
0 likesI don't know what it feels to be in your position
0 likesBut you sir, are an absolute legend and just keep going on
HBox is the human experience
0 likesWhat a legend. Never stop man
0 likeslook its a cool dude
0 likesWow the love my dudes you’re all fucking great and awesome
0 likesYour story is amazing, hope you keep kickin ass for a while to come 😉
0 likeshungrybox is the man and so is mango.
0 likesBased
0 likesHBox, applause to you kind sir!
0 likesjust replying before it reaches 500
0 likeshi
0 likesLegend
0 likes💜💚💜
0 likesMuch love to hungrybox
0 likesYou've always been my favorite player. What you've done is awesome
0 likesI love you so much man
0 likesThe Undergod
0 likesI love you Hbox, we all do
0 likesNo, thank you Juan.
0 likesMad respect especially after this h box
0 likeslove u
0 likesi respect you alot and keep up the hussle and being yourself
0 likes<3 hbox
0 likesYou're an inspiration to everyone! Never give up!! Long time Kirby main who started maining puff in ultimate thanks to you. Keep on keepin' on brotha.
0 likes<3
0 likesyoure actually pretty cool bro :)
0 likesYou’re a legend bro
0 likesEveryone has to contend with "The Crowd" and I am pleased to see this special and to see what you have done. Let me leave you with something a champion said that you may relate to now:
0 likes"I fought . . . and when I got in the ring everyone was cheering for him. I could hurt him, but the crowd just kept him on his feet . . . Now, for the first time in my life, I was feeling the same thing" -George Foreman, reflecting on his championship fight first against Muhammad Ali and after, against Michael Moorer.
Put on your slippers, king. Its big man time
0 likesIf you won a major as a captain falcon the entire country would blow you one by one. I'm not saying do it, I'm just saying if you did do it there would be a line of people outside of your house every day of people just waiting for their chance.
0 likesCheers, Hbox. You have my respect for going against the world.
0 likesKeep up the great work man! I've noticed from the big to the little things people will always hate what they can't conquer and fear what they don't understand. Whether it's competition or Scholastic compliments people will always try to find a way to belittle it to make themselves feel better. Fuck those people and keep being you.
1 likeHungrybox I love you bro, I’ve been playing melee for all of about 3 months and I’m loving puff maiming with marth and cap falcon secondaries
0 likesFrom the many, we have hated, we have stated, and we have deviated... But sometimes, one day, we will find that peace is the better option. And from EmpLemon to you, hungry box, we apologize for our inane misdemeanor, much love to the god of melee! The only one that is alive to show that the top was never easy, and to this day, I shall see you as a role model, not an enemy, much love!
0 likesdeadass sux to hear the shit you had to go through from the people who were supposed to look up to you man. hope you keep doing what you do best and don't let any of that shit ever get to you. as far as i'm concerned you're a god damn legend.
0 likesI fucking love you Juan
0 likesAmazing, man. Killer endurance. Thank you for doing what you've done.
1 likeI've had respect for puff in smash since my friend picked it up back in 64 and started wrecking us all. I've always found the pick just as interesting as it is hilarious. Thank you EmpLemon for sharing this story, and thank you Hungrybox for never giving up.
0 likesDude you're definitely a God for putting up with so much of the community bullshit ♥️
0 likesOne day, I will overcome my limitations like you have. The fact that you keep picking yourself up, and continuing to push past your limits, makes you #1. Keep being you, man.
0 likesCrab 🦀🦀🦀
1 likeI love watching you tear it up with Puff. Keep up the great work, Hbox!
0 likesHungrybox ❤️
0 likesHungrybox You’re my hero
0 likesI've always been a fan. It felt so lonely until this video. Hope you get some more respect, man. You deserve it.
0 likesHungrybox you’re incredible
0 likesYou’re the best my guy, you have provided me and many other people a role model to take after. You’re one of the reasons that “just believe in yourself” is a valid statement. Thank you.
0 likesYou’re a legend! Keep kicking ass!
0 likesHonestly this changed my opinion on you
3 likesI was falling for the whole mob hate
I have mad respect for you now
I wish you get the best in life.
0 likesLove you Hbox, you got me into playing puff. Been loving those Hot Juans interviews you've been doing too
0 likesI'm Glad you're still playing and now the best!
1 likeKeep hanging in there, yo! <3
JIGGLYPUFF!
Damn sup dude
0 likesYou deserve better man. Truly
0 likes@Mahazkei Abso-fucking-lutely! The Melee community stubbornly rejects his triumphs after all that he's been through in order to surpass his peers. He goes and becomes a living legend just to become demonized for his success! I think that Emp has done an incredible job at describing his road to glory, and regardless of what the rest of the Melee community may say about him, he has without a shadow of a doubt, found a place in our hearts.
1 likei always rooted for you.
0 likesHey, Hbox. I just wanted to let you know that you are the one who inspired me to be a jigglypuff main from brawl to ultimate and all you do is great. keep up the good work.
1 likeYou’re my fav hungrybox <3
0 likesHungrybox legend, you don’t deserve the hate.
0 likesHUNGRYBOX IS MELEE
1 likeI've been supporting you for years and I dont ever plan on stopping. You go, man
0 likesCrab
0 likesKeep on puffin...
0 likesOr dont. Youve earned a change.
Always loved your work man, stay strong, you are amazing.
0 likesFor each vocal hater you have, there are dozens of us who cheer for you silently. Sometimes the hate just speaks louder...
0 likesGood job man. Screw the haters man. You do you.
0 likesThank you Hbox, very cool!
0 likesHungrybox as someone who has been a part of the community for a little while, i didn’t realize the struggle you overcame during your career. Props to you man
0 likesHungrybox is the living tale of an underdog story. He stuck with puff when no one else did. Props
0 likesI've always wondered how much of your early 2010s personality was a conscious decision to play the heel vs an emotional reaction to deal with the hate. Even back when it was going on I never believed you were actually a jerk in person, I've always admired you for your passion for what you do and your determination to see it through. Thanks for being a positive influence on me and so many others, Clutchbox ;)
0 likes🦀
2 likeswhat a hero dude. congratulations. you deserve it
0 likesI know it was a rough journey, and sometimes it may not feel like it was worth it now that you're at the top because you have nothing to work towards, but I hope you remember moments like 1:19:40. You get to be the final boss. You get to see other players complete their own melee journey, and the satisfaction in their eyes when they conquer "Clutchbox, the last God of Melee".
0 likeslegend
0 likesI never dwelled too far into the melee community to hear this crap. You were one of the reasons I thought puff was cool and picked him up, sporting the authentic "Headband Of Rest". Heck dude, im glad you overcame this. It might not mean much from a scrubcake like myself, but I respect you, your dedication, and that you still thrive in a toxic environment. Hopefully this brings light to those who need to hear it.
0 likesRespect, brother. Stay hungry, boxyboyo.
Yo, if you could get this far in one game, try for another. Trust me, the other FGCs are not nearly as hateful.
0 likesA God among us
0 likesI never knew somebody literally got crabby with you. That actually blew my mind.
0 likesGGs
0 likesYou're an inspiration!
0 likesi have never heard of you and i dont even play smash but this video showed up in the related videos and after watching it i have a great respect for you.
0 likesi knew nothing about you before this video. what an incredible story and person
0 likes@Jessie PogChamp /
0 likesİ do like you hugrybox!
0 likesman the whole reason I started watching competitive melee is because you exist.
0 likesI said to someone puff wasn't that good. They said to me "well actually, there's this guy called hungrybox...". You were awesome and I never said that again. And I loved watching competitive melee ever since.
Fucking legendary <3
0 likesThis man is DEFINITELY the best player of melee
0 likesWhat a legend
0 likesDude your incredible!
0 likesYou have always been my favorite melee player. I didn't learn about it until about 2013ish and your Puff is what I love about fighting games. The pick that is unconventional but still worth using.
0 likesJeez, now I want to pull out my copy of melee and start grinding. You are truly an inspiration to gaming. Congrats on making it to the top.
0 likesthat’s it i love u now
0 likesHbox is the Mayweather of Melee
0 likesMan . i never played melee or even care about it competitive side but man you got my respect for your dedication .
0 likesYou are epic you earn a sub
0 likesi got into smash after seeing hbox’s puff in action thanks legend !
0 likesI don’t even watch melee if you’re not play haha. It’s not interesting if the best isn’t there.
0 likesa
0 likesHbox, EASILY one of my favorite players. After this, my uncontested favorite Melee player. You deserve it!
1 likeYay
0 likesEgg
0 likesYour perseverance and unwavering ironclad will inspires me to improve towards Smash Ultimate, you deserve every bit of love and respect for reaching the top of Melee. You are the reason i play Smash more and more. Thank you
0 likesI've only ever grinded ultimate, but you're a beast
0 likesI do feel sorry for you man. I really do.
6 likesStill, I'm glad that you managed to put up with the bullshit for so long. Hell I can't blame you when you lost your tempter. We all eventually, snap, or just HAD ENOUGH, at one point in time.
Be who you wish to be. And never stop improving Hungrybox!
We need you HungryBox, you’re special to everyone.
3 likesFoxes never stop to smell the roses. They too quick, keep being a ‘puff. No matter what anyone says. Also roses are overrated you should smell sunflowers as well
3 likesThank you.
3 likes:0 hungry box!
0 likesLove ya dude
0 likesLets gooooooooo H box!!!!I'm here to cheer you on
0 likesWho do you mane me picachu
0 likesYo hbox
0 likesYour good as
0 likeshola
0 likesHbox you’re my favourite god
2 likesCrab 🦀
1 likeNever been a Nintendo kid, watched this just to fill some time, but I was mad as hell at what I saw about how they treated you. Eres inspirante Juan, nunca dejes que te desmoralizen!
3 likesHbox!
0 likeslove u hungrybox
0 likesOoh
0 likesSmash isn't a fighting game
0 likes:) u da man
0 likesCool
0 likestheres just juan
0 likesHungrybox, it's been a year since your comment and I know this comment dont mean much, but no matter how many haters are out there, you are great as a person and in spirit. Empty vessels makes the most noise, and what you are hearing don't represent all of the community. Just know that if it's between you and a thousand haters, I would still stand against them for you, and I believe many would do too.
0 likesYou`re awsome my guy! Don`t let anybody tell you otherwise!
0 likesE
0 likesKnow that us outsiders stand with you! Smash doesn't know what they got!
0 likesYooo
0 likesThis is history, YOU are the history
1 likeYou deserve much respect, sir. What an inspiration you are. All the blessing to you
1 likethats very hungry box
0 likesYou are the greatest GOAT the Smash series as a whole will see.
0 likesLove you hbox, this vid gave me so much more respect for you💚
0 likesNo way
0 likesThis guy:
631 likes- Tolerated a whole community's hate for YEARS
- Solo carried an entire generation from dying
- Went against all odds and challenged everyone's opinions to prove them wrong
- Climbed up the ladder all the way from defeat to victory
- Consecutively won several tournaments
- Multi tasked between a career, a full time job and a competitive video game career
- Got the opportunity to be the featured protagonist of an EmpLemon's video
What a goddamn legend
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And he still got hated for it. That's what happens when the community of a game exists of degenerate neckbeards who have never touched grass in their life
17 likesMELEE: Only 8 out of the 26 Characters are considered viable, The Players rely on glitches to win and not skill (which is why that one guy got beaten by a 14 year old), has no Storytelling, FOX ONLY FINAL DESTINATION, has ugly graphics, has a toxic fanbase full of fugly elitist incels who hate anything new or fun & will refuse to touch grass & shits all over Brawl. . . BRAWL: Almost all if not all characters are viable, The Players rely on actual skill to win, has an Epic Storyline Subspace Emissary, Players play on any stage they want with any character they want, has Epic Theme, has a Wholesome Fanbase with GIGA CHADS who are nice to other Players and do touch grass.
5 likes@Noah Hilt NFT pfp calling other people incels cause of toxicity lmfao
11 likesEvery smash community is a joke (well except back in the brawl days, I agree on that)
@[S i c k O] Yes. Melee Incels Virgins Elitists Fanboys VS Brawl Giga Chads Enjoyers Bros.
3 likes@Noah Hilt neither of u have actually played melee or meet any top players have you....
1 like@Tyton Wiseman Actually I did play Melee back before brawl & in case you are wondering I was a Donkey Kong Main in Melee & also played as Bowser a lot. Brawl and after I am a Wario Main now.
1 like@Noah Hilt I stand corrected lol
0 likes@Tyton Wiseman Got something against Donkey Kong Mains?
1 like@Noah Hilt hell no man more as a respect the s*** out of it. I was a Kirby main lmao
2 likes@Tyton Wiseman I'll admit that Melee is The Best Super Smash Bros WHEN a Bowser Main 🐢 wins a World Champion 🏆 Tournament. (But not against just other Bowser Mains 🐢 because that don't count.)
1 like@Noah Hilt fair enough
1 like@Tyton Wiseman I honestly don't hate Melee itself (in fact as a kid I do have fond memories of it) I just hate The Toxic Fanbase.
4 likes@Noah Hilt I feel that, people like to be toxic ngl
1 like@Tyton Wiseman Brawl has a way more Wholesome Fanbase.
2 likes@Noah Hilt I loved the subspace emissary on that game but I could not for the life of me play an actual tournament setting battle in that game. The mechanics were the exact opposite of melee's it just made it so much harder for me to play
2 likes@Noah Hilt it was way more child friendly
0 likes@Tyton Wiseman Ok I admit Random Tripping Bad, but everything else about The Gameplay is Fantastic.
1 like@Tyton Wiseman I remember as a kid I was amazed by Super Smash Bros. My first Super Smash Bros Game is Melee & I was Donkey Kong & my Sister was Peach & she would almost always beat me, but some years later I got Super Smash Bros Brawl & I picked Wario as my Main and all the sudden I won & won & won, I suddenly was beating my Sister a lot & for The First Time I felt like The Superior Player. As Wario I could jump so high and be on motorcycle 🏍️ and jump agai, I felt like I could Fly and I knew then that Super Smash Bros Brawl was my favorite Super Smash Bros Game 🎮.
1 like@Noah Hilt fair enough, I love melee tho, it holds a special place in my heart
1 like@Noah Hilt the theme is the best of any smash theme
0 likes@Pee Poo Dave 🎶Epic Chad Brawl Latin Chanting🎶
1 like@Noah Hilt exactly, EXACTLY!
0 likesHe only got hate when he made it unwatchable
0 likes@Corey Golphenee"Because 2 Foxes 🦊🦊 wave dashing all over the ground while spamming Shine is way more watchable."
1 like@Noah Hilt obviously haven't played the game much if that's what you think it's boils down to lol, its infinitely better than projectile spam and no real backdash lmao
1 like@Corey Golphenee I own Melee & a GameCube. HungryBox is way more entertaining to watch than the 100th Billionth Fox 🦊 Vs Fox 🦊 Match.
2 likes@Noah Hilt emp said it in the video, it was brawl not melee where the guy lost to the 14 year old
0 likes@alax s Which is proof that the 14 Year old is more skilled than Melee Elitists Fanboys who have to rely on Glitches and Spamming Washdashing to win and not actual skill, while Brawl Chads Enjoyers Bros rely on actual skill and not glitches because glitches are for the weak.
1 like@Corey Golphenee I own Melee on The GameCube.
1 likeFox Mains: hard counters jigglypuff, spreads throughout the meta
1018 likesHungrybox: adapts through years of hard work and creating a new playstyle
Fox Mains: J i g g l y p u f f n e e d s n o s k i l l
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fox mains are fucking bawling rn
87 likesFox Mains need to C O P E
49 likesHungryBox is the skill. Not Puff.
34 likes@Doggo Somehow ppl Don't get it :(
6 likes@Ask Torin Hummelsund tf kinda name is hummelsund
3 likes@Doggo When you resort to roasting people's names when you don't have an argument anymore
3 likesReminds me of Leffen ngl
While yes, Hungrybox is a very good player, Puff gives him the resources to take that skill to the top, and criticizing him for it that would be as if either Ken, Dabuz, or Tea(ESAM would be here too if Pika gameplay was slower) became number 1, and then got disrespected because their character was slow-paced and generally not "Hard"
2 likes@Shadow Maelstrom I'm not arguing lol how tf am I gonna argue with someone who's agreeing with me
8 likes@Shadow Maelstrom while yes,that is true,I agree with your point
1 likeLike you’re trying to act like you’re not agreeing but you are?
@Doggo The only other person who truly understands this is Mang0 as the only other champion Puff
0 likes@Matthew Mullins hehe, püff
0 likes@Doggo yes hbox is incredibly skilled and puff fits his skillset perfectly :)
0 likes“A few people clapped, a couple cheered, most had begun filing for the exits without saying a word.”
2830 likesHauntingly similar to “A few people laughed, a few people cried, most were silent.”
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"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds"
145 likesOppenheimer, right?
reference to?
11 likes@Thelurker The “I am become death, the destroyer of worlds” speech.
66 likes@Thelurker A haunting speech Robert J Oppenheimer, who helped create the A-bomb and led the Manhattan project, gave regarding the moment the first Atom bomb was successfully made. It was a truly chilling speech which I recommend you watch--it's only 2 minutes or so.
81 likesNot to be that guy, but it's "two people laughed, two people crying, most were silent"
9 likes@Dr Bright
4 likesOppenheimer was referencing the Bhagavad Gita, when Ishnu reveals his eight armed form
Vishnu*
0 likes@Black Psalm Music I'm perfectly aware of that. I'm not that dumb, I've seen the speech.
2 likes@Black Psalm Music I thought Vishnu said "AND THIS ISN'T EVEN MY ULTIMATE FORM... AT ALL!"
2 likesBro dr clef needs a word with you
2 likesSomething about “not inciting d class personnel to a staring contest with 096”
@Atla Fan 7 "I have become jigglypuff.".
0 likes@Dozens of Knives I had become puff, the sleeper of worlds
0 likesThe fact that HungryBox was considered a villain at one point in this community while Leffen was a hero says a lot about it lol wtf
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yeah this always has me like wtf lol
108 likes?? Leffen was THE villain for a long time.
44 likes@Cameron Ken He still is. False accusations make anyone a villian in my book. Guy named franchise did a lot of good videos talking about the smash community. Certainly got me up to speed on some stuff. Leffen kinda deserves a ban given what he's done.
178 likes@Neiasaurus Creations doing criminal activities like zero is bad in my book
10 likes@Harry Specter It wasn't actually criminal. Was it acceptable morally? No. But it wasn't criminal, or he'd be in jail. Further because we can't actually even find the victim, even if it was criminal, there'd be no case. And if someone isn't actually convicted by law, than I'm not about to say they committed a crime. Because they haven't, factually they have not. A person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law of any crime they're accused of. So until such a time ZeRo is actually convicted, I'm not about to say he committed a crime. That doesn't mean I morally accept what he did. If you're 18+ and you LOOK at a person who is below the age of 18, I don't care if she's 17, I am not morally okay with that. As an ADULT you should not be looking at minors that way, period. Regardless of age. There's plenty of other adults, you don't need to look at a kid. No excuses. No defenses. Its not acceptable in my book.
41 likesNot defending ZeRo, but just pointing out you're wrong about it being criminal. And even if it was criminal making up false allegations about them to justify more false allegation isn't morally acceptable either. And it muddies the water of the real accusations. Because if 5 claims are made, 4 are laughably and provably false, that last claim is going to be under x5 the pressure. And with ZeRo the only evidence we have is two main things.
A) A source we can't reach's testimony of conversations, many of which we NEVER see evidence of.
B) Some select screenshots, but none of the most damning claims. Its SOME form of evidence that an inappropriate relationship is behing had, but the worst quotes and things have no actual evidence beyond the word of a source we don't know, and has never provided evidence of the worst claims.
That being said, I don't believe ZeRo should be unbanned. I just believe leffen ALSO isn't a good guy. You don't need to think ZeRo is a good guy to see leffen is a liar, who made up false allegations and hurt an actual case with remotely credible victim with their lies. Has a history of lying, distorting the truth covering up his wrong doings, and harassing people. As well as weaponizing his toxic fanbase against people for disagreeing with him. All of that is more than enough to say Leffen is a bad person, and deserves to be banned from pretty much any community he touches. Because he hasn't learned or become better, so he's just going to keep shitting up communities, which is why almost no other community wants anything to do with him. And no matter how much you point towards ZeRo to go 'he's worse', that doesn't change the fact leffen is bad. You can't defend one terrible person by using an even worse person. They're both still terrible, just not to the same degree. But neither should be put up with.
@Neiasaurus Creations why did leffen get banned?
2 likes@Wa͟l̀ho͞r Years of bullshit people were tired of putting up with?
32 likes@Neiasaurus Creations yeah but what was the nail in the coffin?
11 likes@Wa͟l̀ho͞r Don't know, but it could be any of a few dozen infractions.
16 likes@FMJ_wolf no this is like trying to ban someone for calling out hitler for being anti semitic but because they got a few of their accusations wrong we now shouldn't ban hitler and should now ban the accuser
1 like@Harry Specter he said that both of them deserve to be banned. And Leffen deserves to be banned, because he made false accusations AND he is a shitty person who always done awful things.
21 likesSERIOUSLY
5 likesLeffen is the worst
Leffen was never considered a hero this is such cap. Only situation where Leffen was a hero was in Ultimate vs Salem.
7 likesMost people in melee don't like Leffen, he just ingratiated himself with the TO's and has such a big influence on the online community that it skews the perception. Hbox is awesome.
4 likes@Wa͟l̀ho͞r there is massive word document of every rule he broke i think
3 likes@Neiasaurus Creations "And if someone isn't actually convicted by law, than I'm not about to say they committed a crime" that's some "It's only illegal if you get caught" shit A crime is still a crime, Just because you didn't get convicted in court doesn't mean you didn't commit it, there might not be enough evidence to confirm your criminality thus the judge cant give a proper say. I agree with everything else but this part is a little stupid considering bribes are commonplace.
1 like@Neiasaurus Creations "But it wasn't criminal, or he'd be in jail." hahahahahahah
2 likes@Burke I don't believe in convicting people based on outrage. If I don't see evidence, and there's not even charges pressed I'm not sure what you expect of me. Innocent until proven guilty is more than just for legality, its a basic moral principal that most people forget...Right up until it applies to them.
4 likes@Neiasaurus Creations I decided it is immoral to try to do that to the kid
0 likes@Matthew Mullins Cool?
1 likeNeiasaurus Creations as an 18 year old u cant look at a 17 year old?
1 like@Ghoat Yes. You're just playing with fire. It never willl end well for you. Wait till they're 18 champ.
1 likeNeiasaurus Creations bruh they could be a few months younger
1 like@Cameron Ken literally lmao that's why he's popular, bc he played the role of the villain, crushing the heroes for years
0 likes@Neiasaurus Creations cough cough 17 isnt illegal by us law cough cough
0 likes@Bean Yes and no. By state law, most have the age of consent below 17. But federally its 18. Its a complete mess, and I personally think you're better off not even looking at anyone sub 18 the moment you turn 18.
0 likesBut legally speaking, 17 is probably legal in his state. And the federal government 99% of the time is not going to override it. Unless you do something that makes it federal jurisdiction. Like cross state lines.
well, just by playing on slippi with other people, you can see how salty and toxic the whole of the community can be. Not really a surprise there. It doesn't discourage me from playing the game, but most players on there are the type to use the most advantage and kick down others who truly take on a challenge and win thru nothing but sweat and dedication.
1 like@G Kv Yeah imma pass. I've seen enough of the smash community to see that even if you took a flame thrower to it warhammer 40k style, it still wouldn't be clean. Niro is still a thing. Leffen is still a thing. I personally wouldn't want to associate with either figure. Hungrybox seems to be the very best of the community, but its over flowing with sewage that never seems to get taken out.
0 likes@G Kv say it louder for the people in the back
0 likesAs someone that knew the history, the way you flipped all the titles and the last 15-20 minutes in general was phenomenal.
17944 likesThis was a godlike video
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ESAM I agree, Hungrybox is a legend and this video really showed it
355 likesI couldn't agree more. Literal chills as all of the chapters revealed themselves.
278 likesWow my favorite two players in history on the same video!! Now I want to get better guys
67 likes@Hug Berr a guy that has these two as there favourite players can't be above 10 years old
14 likesMost people thought this video was bad, which I totally agree with
3 likes@Jimathy Nutron First, speak English. Two, this video is overwhelmingly liked .Hence the like/dislike ratio.
189 likes@Jimathy Nutron Okay crab
166 likesESAM is Eric by the way.
43 likesI think we all can see that part of the fandom that is considered toxic LMAO
62 likes@Arcessitor most people I've spoken to disliked it. And if you can't read my previous comments, you probably don't understand the english grammatical infrastructure
0 likes@Savvy hbox reference?
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron not surprising you hang out with people that think like you
118 likes@Josuto you meet all kinds of people on the internet
2 likesSeamus Warshaw ah a fellow FWOB head
0 likesJimathy Nutron Proper Grammar would be “Most people I’ve spoken with disliked this video. By the way, if you can’t read my writing, you probably don’t understand proper grammar.” Grammarly is free, and I highly recommend that tool!
95 likesThis video was very well edited, narrated, and structured. I don’t know how a random recommendation was able to hold my attention for over an hour, but it left me inspired, and rooting for HungryBox. So count me in as another one of the people commenting on the video and saying they like it. I saw some people post 🦀 who obviously aren’t HBox fans, but your comment is the first I’ve seen that says they didn’t like the video.
@EvShrug yep, i watched a 1.5 hour video about a game i've never played talking about a player i've never heard of
54 likes@EvShrug who even cares about grammer on the internet. The only times it truly matter is when you don't understand what the other person is saying. But if you're some sort of perfectionist I can edit my bad grammer
2 likes@EvShrug only outsiders who doesn't know anything about the melee scene like the video. Most people in the scene disliked it, including popular streamers
0 likesJimathy Nutron - Your argument was that super blahblah (long name 😂) didn’t understand you because he probably doesn’t understand proper grammar. You don’t HAVE to spell things right or use grammatical structure to make your points easy to read. But, without trying to be clear, or addressing @Super’s point that this video has a ton more likes than dislikes, it makes you sound like an angry, unintelligent, biased person with no objective basis for your opinion. You hurt the credibility of your view.
65 likesPeople like the video because it was edited really well, had good pacing despite the length of time, and told HungryBox’s story in a compelling way that puts him in a good light. You may have watched tournaments and felt that the defensive Jigglypuff style HungryBox uses was conservative, slow, boring, or he’s too good and wins too much, but all those points were addressed in the video as HungryBox’s rise to champion was a long difficult road, and he does something different than everyone else that performs at the top level. At least, that’s how the video frames it. In the end, the video presents an inspiring message of the underdog and determination, and that’s why I like this video, and I assume that’s why it has overwhelmingly more likes than dislikes.
@EvShrug most people in the scene didn't watch it because they didn't care enough. And disliking it wouldn't be very nice, but yes, the video should have more dislikes
1 like@EvShrug Hbox is probably the worst top player in the entire melee scene, almost everyone says that. I think he had one or two girlfriends that broke up with him, and probably not without reason. He is immature, arrogant and always play the victim. He never practises with any other top player because he doesn't want about a meta where people can know how to fight a top level Puff. He just does everything to stay on top. He also plays the arguably best character in the game. It's either Puff or marth, because they got no losing match ups
0 likesJimathy Nutron • I respect that you probably know more about the scene. I don’t know hungerbox’s personal life... but 2 girlfriends in, what, 10 or more years as a public figure, I can hardly call that damning. I don’t like people who always play the victim, especially when they’re not being attacked... but I’m sure you agree, he is attacked. I don’t know about Jigglypuff being easy mode... seems she doesn’t do much damage, and most attacks have little range, and her “rest” attack is an all-or-nothing skill shot that needs so many things to go right. I was always better with Samus, and OK with Fox (didn’t play enough to pull off the advanced stuff reliably).
70 likesRegardless though. Whatever the real life persona of Juan is, that doesn’t change that this video is well made and compelling in and of itself. So I still think it’s a good video, for the entertainment factor.
@EvShrug sure, you can think what you want to think. But Jigglpuff is probably the easiest good character in the entire game. Her bair has a disjointed hitbox that is as big as swords. Her amazing aerial mobility makes every one of her moves non committal and she tends to kill opponents around 10-100%. She can't get combod by any good character except combos that include two hits. She has no disadvantage state and can always recover for free. She can throw the opponent of at 0% and kill them because she can bair them offstage and recover for free which means, no risks. She can stall out games just by floating away and over opponents and basically no characters can deal with it. All of her attacks are very safe and non committal but getting one hit can lead into rest or getting your opponent offstage which almost always results in death. She also has combos into rest by tech chase, pound, up air, platform tech chase, Up tilt and by using grab and getting up throw rest which is a true kill confirm that works between 10% and 40%. Rest can usually never gets punished, because by hitting rest, the opponent get a bad kill screen which almost always happens. She can get regrabs from upthrow falling up air too. She never dies early, even tho she is light because she can always recover. That's the main stuff that makes her absolutely broken
0 likesJimathy Nutron • Ok. I still found the video entertaining.
47 likes@EvShrug sure, think what you want
3 likesJimathy Nutron • Have a good Valentine’s Day
13 likes@EvShrug you too
2 likes@Jimathy Nutron if the charcter is so broken why arent their abnornal amount of puffs winning tourneys? Your argument is valid to an extent but their are literally a handful of charcters that everyone plays that are arguabley just as bad.
65 likes@Kyle Corbett Puff is boring to play, fight against and watch. You make the scene worse if you play puff. You can't live on playing melee if you're not top 10, so most people do it for fun. Why would you play puff then?
0 likesESAM commenting on this is just so wholesome.
28 likes@Jimathy Nutron please stop trolling. You are NOT the representative of the majority opinion. And all the shite you post as to why you dislike HBOX just makes the community look bad.
79 likesWhich god was it like though? I vote Dr. Peepee.
3 likes@Jimathy Nutron Emp literally addresses the arguments you are making in the video.
56 likesInsert ad hominem here
@E. Hyde who is that
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron Did you even watch the video? Why nobody else plays Puff if he's the easiest to play and easiest to win with character? "Hurr durr he's too boring to play, too cheap and campy". Competitors will do ANYTHING to win. Athletes in traditional sports and esports alike. That's why so many people cheat in sports. The argument that Puff is the most op character is instantly debunked by the fact that nobody in top 35 plays him. Surely there would be ONE other in top 10 or even 20. The thing is, Hbox is so far above everyone else in skill and knowledge that no matter what they do, they won't win his Puff consistently. That's what 15 years of perseverance and competitive mentality brings you. You're just a simple hater. Get better.
47 likes@Juho Mäntynen Mango did play play puff, but she was to boring to play and to bad for the scene. He didn't want to become hated by playing puff. Hbox don't care about that, the only thing that matters to him in the scene is to be ranked number 1. I don't know if he even would be top 5 if he didn't play puff. No one else is willing to devote a month of playing puff and being bored and then being bored while playing puff in tournament to eventually get hated on because they play a boring character. You wouldn't get enough money to live off of too. I see no reason you would want to main puff except if you were a person that only had one goal in life, which is hbox. He isn't far ahead of everyone else, and he isn't the most knowledgeable about the game. M2k probably knows the most about melee. And hbox consistently gets beaten by Leffen, which also is considered a losing mu by almost all people. You don't seem to know enough to call me out, get better
0 likes@Kyle Corbett what are you even trying to say here?
0 likes@TW it's true that a majority of the entire community dislike hbox
0 likes@Dwylin I won't respect hbox for making bad life choices. most people dislike him, including me. The only other thing hbox had was the engineering, which he stopped with. If there is no reason for hbox to not play friendlies with other top players, why doesn't he just do it? No one likes puff. In a game where there are so many interesting and cool characters, why would any zain person main puff, the most boring of them all. Puff wins the fox mu, her worst mu is herself and her second worst is marth
0 likesJimathy Nutron uhhh you know puff has a 40:60 matchup against fox. He can kill her at almost any percent just as she can to him. She is clearly not the best in the game if she loses to the most common character. For someone who claims to know about the competitive melee scene you sure don’t really know much. It’s widely known puff loses to fox. Go back to watching leffen lol
38 likes@Will DG most top players say that puff loses to fox. I trust them more than you, a random stranger on the internet
0 likesJimathy Nutron that’s kinda funny considering that mang0, armada, and hbox agree she loses to fox lol
29 likes@Will DG Armada didn't say that. Hbox andmango shouldn't be trusted
0 likesJimathy Nutron imagine going to a video about the history of hungrybox and watching the struggles he went through just to argue about why you hate hungrybox. stop
45 likes@loop vods imagine imagining. Stop
1 likeNate the gaming potato it originated from Alpharad+ no?
1 likeJimathy Nutron that’s the same opinion borderline word for word that leffen had, Keyword Had right there, if puff was easy enough to play, then people would play her, people will do anything for a competitive advantage, but people don’t, people went to fox for that reason.
22 likescool
14 likesbtw esam is a top player if anyone didn't know
@Jimathy Nutron "Mango did play play puff, but she was to boring to play" personal opinion "and to bad for the scene." get that shit outa here "He didn't want to become hated by playing puff." That's mangos choice but thats blatantly disregarding chudat and armada doing super good with super stally and easy characters, "Hbox don't care about that, the only thing that matters to him in the scene is to be ranked number 1. I don't know if he even would be top 5 if he didn't play puff." would leffen be top 5 by playing falcon "No one else is willing to devote a month of playing puff and being bored and then being bored while playing puff in tournament to eventually get hated on because they play a boring character." honestly you play to win, if you played for fun you would have more than playing to "have fun" because most for most people the "having fun" comes from winning, also 2saints and prince abu "You wouldn't get enough money to live off of too." how is hbox alive "I see no reason you would want to main puff except if you were a person that only had one goal in life, which is hbox." boi the amount of assumptions from this part alone is staggering and adds nothing "He isn't far ahead of everyone else," that other person made a mistake "and he isn't the most knowledgeable about the game." he took lucky to game 5 with his secondaries "M2k probably knows the most about melee." and? those last 3 points add nothing "And hbox consistently gets beaten by Leffen" true, that adds literally nothing ", which also is considered a losing mu by almost all people." leffen hbox? boi that dont even matter, it adds nothing to the crux of the matter, hbox isnt killing melee, if you think he is, beat him, or convince more top players to beat him. "You don't seem to know enough to call me out, get better" then let me address you 1-1 here, your arguments are half baked and dumb, you echo a commonly disproved argument that hbox is bad for melee implying that melee can die which everyone says it can't, unless your leffen in trying to bait people which he admits he likes doing, everyone else says melee is still alive and that it won't die, "their is still more melee to be played". and let's go back to the m2k comment, remember when m2k tried to puff dito hbox, the man you champion as having the most knowledge about the game, and lost 2 times. aight bud
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3 likesNot Steven The Beaver
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@Jimathy Nutron Emp literally addresses the arguments you are making in the video.
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Jimathy Nutron
Jimathy Nutron
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@Not Steven The Beaver who is that
Is no one going to address this exchange? Man literally doesn't even know who Emp is on Emp's own video's comment section. Why anyone responded beyond this point is a mistery
@Renata Tostada No, Emp Lemon to me looks like a bad YouTuber who didn't do enough research into his video, with a lack of perspectives. And somehow he succeeded in stalling the video for as long as a normal movie, which would be a better alternative to watch. And he doesn't address the arguments I made, you're just being lazy by saying he did with no further evidence supporting you
0 likes@EvShrug are you trying to advertise grammerly too? Pretty weird considering that's during an argument. And this video was very bad, and EmpLemon seem to be a master of stalling boring videos too, which btw is not a good skill to have when you're trying to entertain people around the world
0 likes@Josuto your argument doesn't any sense at all, pretty hypocritical too if I admit it myself
0 likes@EvShrug Joyers are pretty cringe btw
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron its been 2 months dude
18 likesmove on
@Josuto no
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron Name one popular streamer who has watched and disliked this video. I can tell you two who have watched and LIKED this video.
13 likes@Kyle Corbett no one wants to throw away their life by playing the most boring character in melee, seems pretty reasonable
1 like@Map Atay plup. who are the two streamers who are unintelligent enough to think that this video wasn't bad?
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron Plup actually disliked the video? and who's the origin of this entire comment chain?
12 likes@Map Atay you can clearly read, so stop being lazy
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron 1:05:04 is the start of the segment in the video that actively addresses all of the negative aspects you appear to base your opinion of HBox on, specifically the remarks about infidelity and playing contrary to the ideal playstyle of the game. Though it's unlikely from your response that you will watch until the end, a summation of that content is as follows: despite HBox succeeding in a fashion contrary to the typical ideal of the game, he still deserves credit for grinding his way through an era of historically poor matchups; furthermore, his dominance in and shaping of the melee meta in recent years has forced the need to diversify the aforementioned meta, which breathes new life into the game. Though many players still may not approve of this direction, of which you yourself appear to be one, there is an argument to be made that the idealistic technicality of the bygone 20XX meta had reached a peak, and if it weren't for outsiders like HBox, who defied the true coming of 20XX in its entirety, the game would have become a game in which spacies were the only viable options, and the lack of variety in the top tier players and matchups would cause interest in the game to decline until a large upset in character popularity came around to jumpstart that interest. Dominance in variety will always sell better than dominance in monopoly, since dominance in monopoly is much more difficult to upset, and with no upset potential, stakes are lost and communities lose interest.
24 likes@Geovanni Macrowatt what's your point
0 likesJimathy Nutron
12 likesTo make another consideration
@Yong Li I wasn't asking you
0 likesJimathy Nutron I was addressing you
14 likes@Jimathy Nutron "most people"
18 likes"Most people I've spoken to" two different things buddy.
@Jimathy Nutron So, you know a couple of people that disliked the video because you forced their opinion down their throat? Do you honestly think you get anything out of arguing with people? I saw the couple of comments you made about how HBox how he only focuses on being number one, when Mango dropped almost everything to become the best player in the game. You watched a bit of the video, thought that the rest of the time was just stalling, and went to the comments because you wanted some attention, and made almost everybody who replied onto this comment hate you. Most of the people here are commenting AGAINST you. You also keep saying that HungryBox is arrogant and acts like the victim, even though he is hated by the community, singling him out when all he was trying to do was fit in. His father thought he would always be just good, and never the best. When he reached number one, he was showered in hate because of the character he uses. You talk about this well thought out video that is a hour and twenty minutes that feel like two seconds because of a Melee player and praises them and then just stalls the rest of the time. Which isn't what the video is, whatsoever. You act like the toxic community that doesn't care about how Hbox's achievements are angels that only speak truth. Jigglypuff has only one move that's remotely good, and a move that requires Jiggly to jump onto their opponent and if it fails, is a guarantied death both have infinite range and if it hits, there is no chance the enemy will survive.
18 likescomment chain is funny I'll post here for notifs don't mind me
13 likes@Jimathy Nutron I just have a question, not trying to be snarky or rude, but rather trying to understand the Melee community as an outsider.
10 likesIf Hungrybox won't play friendlies with other top players, does he play cash games with them? In Marvel, if you couldn't get top players to play you in friendlies, you could get them in cash games where yeah, you'll finally get some reps against them, but it's gonna cost you. If I'm a competitor who has a competitive advantage by expertly playing a seldom used character and not allowing other top players to play me for free and learn my tech, then that's on them. Just because you're at the top of the mountain doesn't obligate you to help others climb up the mountain. That would be akin to the Golden State Warriors allowing other teams to watch their practices for free and learn how they play the game, in order to learn how to beat them. No, other teams can learn how to beat them by getting whipped on the court.
@Christopher Jackson the reason it's bad is because you actually aren't better than your opponent, you're just using gimmicks against them
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron He's playing to win, just like Leffen or Mango. Being Hungrybox doesn't change that.
15 likes@Ethan Weegee no
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron Ah, you got me. Good point.
22 likes@Ethan Weegee ikr
0 likesGonna add a comment, gained much enjoyment out of this thread and I'd like to keep tabs on it for more comedy gold. Don't mind me.
5 likesElectronic Samuel?
1 like@johann I trust myself more than you
0 likes@Geovanni Macrowatt who cares, hbox is washed and trash at melee, can't even get top 8 anymore
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron ...okay?
6 likes@Kenji Morimitsu I watched this video and it was garbage, and EmpLemon is a really bad YouTuber too
0 likes@idiot head Did you really pull an alpharad Eric by the way
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron Who cares? I care cause I want to have a discussion with you. You brought up some points and I have counter points. There is a reason I replied to your comment earlier and that has nothing to do with where Hbox stands today, its about why he plays melee. Since you took the time to respond to others in this thread, could you respond to my comment made two weeks ago?
13 likes@Jimathy Nutron Judging by how you have made 44 comments in this so far 100+ comment thread, you seem to have plenty of time, but to each their own.
17 likes@Red Ramone wdym
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron this video is very well written, and edited, just because it has another opinion than you does not mean it's bad.
15 likes@Opal it's biased and poorly written, leaving out information that should've been there, a bad and inaccurate video from a bad YouTuber
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron I understand what you're saying, but if someone's mastered a gimmick to the point that they're unbeatable, then doesn't that make them better than their opponent? Their opponents could learn that same gimmick as well. That they didn't take the time to do so or at least figure out how to beat the gimmick is irresponsible on their part, wouldn't it be?
11 likes@Christopher Jackson everyone can't fit one character, especially if that character is super boring
0 likes@Hug Berr same
0 likes@Tammy Lynn yeah! . Now after that being said, there is someone in this comment chain with too much hate on his veins lol :) .
2 likes@Jimathy Nutron so basically your argument is that hbox only wants to keep his #1 spot? He has put enormous amounts of time into growing his stream because he got bored of melee and wanted a new challenge. Melee is not his only priority
5 likes@Jimathy Nutron the image of melee should never have a set definition. The community has this mindset that unless it’s fast and extremely technical, it’s not melee. This is clearly wrong because the top player is hbox, who has been playing for over a decade and knows the game extremely well. Also, if puff was so easy and you could rack up wins, there would be at least a single other person playing her at a top level. I mean people are willing to play ice climbers, so at least one person will want to play puff to get ‘free wins’. Someone will eventually take over hbox’s spot. The game is evolving, so the old definition of what melee is may not apply in the future. You have to get over it.
5 likesguys c'mon it's low tier bait, don't feed the troll.
10 likes@Josuto Lmao same
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron Why are you so mad lmao
3 likesJimathy Nutron anecdotal evidence is not "most people".
6 likes@Jimathy Nutron ahh yes, Esam, one of the greatest smash players of all time, literally says he thinks the video is phenomenal on the comment your literally replying on.
10 likes@Jimathy Nutron damn you repeat the same lines leffen does 1 to 1, make up your mind man start thinking for yourself
9 likes@Christopher Metcalf too bad if you don't want my opinion, because this is the internet, deal with it
0 likes@Hanqwerty Hbox is a bad person, that's my argument
0 likes@Hanqwerty No, because Puff is too boring
0 likes@Zac yes it is
0 likes@My Ideology Leffen is at least better than man baby box
0 likes@My Ideology Hbox is a bad person
0 likesHe did it, he said the thing
3 likes@Jimathy Nutron I disagree with your assessment of why Hbox plays melee. Earlier in this comment thread when you say "Mango did play play puff, but she was to boring to play and to bad for the scene. He didn't want to become hated by playing puff. Hbox don't care about that, the only thing that matters to him in the scene is to be ranked number 1" you state that Hbox doesn't play melee for fun. It's unreasonable to say this when it's much harder to make a living off of melee than as an engineer. There's security in studying for 4 years, with a possible traineeship or job during that time, compared to playing any sport, be it physical sport, board or video games, in which you can dedicate large portions of your life only to end up nowhere. If Hbox only cared about being better than everyone else, he would have quit melee to pursue engineering.
2 likesAs part of Emp's video, he mentions how the melee communities hate towards Hbox is similar to the FGC's hate towards melee, and shares some striking parallels. But this can be extended further, with the standard physical sports fans displaying some hate towards Esports and even people with "real jobs" showing hate towards the sporting industry as a whole. I certainly don't believe those examples are in the majority, but people will hate things that don't fit into their world views. On the surface, I hate how some basketball players can sit as a substitute for a whole match and still get paid upwards of 7 figures. But they get paid more so when they are needed, they have the motivation to be at peak performance.
My point is that people have different values, and the discussion on world views and what is a good/bad one is a massive argument in of itself. Unless Hbox has stated his only goal is to be the best and that he never enjoyed playing melee, you cannot say he ONLY cared about being number 1. Of course, that was part of it, but like a lot of players, it was not the sole purpose of his career. If he had no fun playing melee as Puff, then why would he continue to play melee when an engineer gets paid more and has a certain level of prestige behind it even if you haven't been one for long. If he wanted to be better than everyone in melee, he could have changed his world view to the "at least I have a real job" perspective, and that would be the end of it. To say he only cares about winning is a fallacy.
@Jimathy Nutron get noobed
4 likes@Jimathy Nutron But didn't you say grammar didn't matter?
4 likes@Jimathy Nutron EmpLemon is bad because of one video? Have you even watched his other videos?
4 likes@Jimathy Nutron How is he a bad person? What does his past relationships have to do with anything?
1 like.
1 like@Jimathy Nutron "These people that I totally talked to in an unverifiable way, and who are fully indicative of humanity as a whole and not just themselves, all say that this sucks" Okay, Leffen. Way to use an alternate account
8 likes@TW I mean, it's literally the arguments that the video specifically discredits, lol. I don't they even watched the video.
5 likes@Jimathy Nutron 🤡
3 likes@Jimathy Nutron It's always nice seeing people get soundly defeated in arguments, but this, this is something else. Not only did you make claims that have already been refuted in the video (which is a big rétârd moment), but this discussion has been on your mind for over a year!
14 likesNot to mention, hbox be living in your head rent free lmao 🤡
Gods, this discussion is hilarious, hbox really does live in that guy's head rent free 😂
7 likes@Jimathy Nutron lol you're the literal reason why people hate the melee community
11 likesGo boxing ring
7 likesBut did he go boxing ring
4 likes@Sky Crimes TV bald
0 likesEmp? Busted.
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron mad
2 likes@Jimathy Nutron you're literally the definition of closed-minded. I bet you didn't even come to the conclusion that "hbox bad" on your own; I bet you just heard it from someone else and started proclaiming it as truth.
6 likes@Christopher Metcalf Sir, I've no idea if you've muted this thread or even still care considering this comment was made 7 months ago, but I have to say, that was the most succinct, eloquent, precise, and brutal take-down of a comment troll I have ever seen. Seriously, holy shit, well done sir.
5 likesThank you, @firekirby123. Unfortunately, @Jimathy Nutron obviously didn't take the hint and go elsewhere. The way I see it, I had two options:
9 likesOption #1: Continue arguing with an internet troll who is just going to provoke more of my disdain, and thus continue the argument forever.
OR
Option #2: Just ignore him, and hope that he goes away once he realizes he's not getting the attention he wants.
I chose Option #2. Because honestly, I can think of many, much better things to do with my time than endlessly argue with random fuckwits on the internet. Which is exactly what he wants me to do.
So, to all else who reply to this comment, if Jimanthy Nutron replies to your comment and attempts to start an argument with you, don't let him. Because that's what he wants. And people with that kind of attitude shouldn't get what they want.
Just ignore him, and eventually, when he realizes no one is giving him the time of day, he'll go the fuck away.
Damn, I thought you were still in the boxing ring!
3 likesgo boxing ring
4 likesHey ESAM, go boxing ring
6 likesEsam! You and Hbox are my favorite melee players!
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron It seems that you haven't responded in 7 Months just saying, are you leaving this argument and assuming that they have proven a good point ? Probably not the case since your skull is at least a meter thick.
5 likesIce climbers before wobbling was banned.
0 likesGo boxing ring
4 likesngbrf
2 likesWhat the fuck happened here lmfao
1 like@Give me a name i will hate The most entertaining debate. Shame it's over. I needed to get some popcorn
3 likesTruly Amazing
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron 🦀
1 likeGo boxing ring
2 likes@Jimathy Nutron like what popular streamer
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, god I haven't seen someone this bad at debating in my life. Ignores other's points, uses no as a argument/point, attacks a person's character when complaining about his ability to game, brings up negative points that were addressed in the video he is posting on and then leaves said discussion because they have 0 ground to stand on.
2 likes@Jimathy Nutron what is going on
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron lol wow that just speaks volumes about your thoughts and opinions...good for you though champ. Keep making friends! By the way, this video is awesome, HBox is the sh*t, and Hug Berr...I'm with you brah.
2 likes@Jimathy Nutron You're probably a Leffen fan, eh?
1 like@Jimathy Nutron bozo + ratio
1 like@Massimo Lindsay This didn't age well
0 likes@Red Ramone He probably realized being number one in the world wasn't too fun which is why he went to streaming instead of actually tryin to be number 1
0 likes@Quron McCovery Yeah, don't like his voice
0 likes@Matthew Larose Who tf actually goes to youtube comments to make friends
0 likes@Lew Not much is going on for my rn tbh, thanks for asking tho. How're things going for u?
0 likes@Lordi Yeah, I got bored and no one else was about to pick up from where I left off, sry about that
0 likes@DigitalZ Why did I find this funny lmao
0 likes@Boniour Bored as I already said, wasn't really entertaining for me to troll anymore after a while
0 likes@firekirby123 Thanks, I had a bunch of free time at the time to waste and this was kinda funny to me for a while lol
0 likes@Matthew Larose Yeah, true. I had a bunch of spare time like 1 year ago and thought it would be funny to troll, so I pretended to be a stupid hbox hater or smth on a big vid to see how many people would actually think I was a troll or actually just dumb af. Most people who figured out that I was a troll probably didn't even comment because they knew it's pointless to argue with a troll online, but as you could see, a lot of people didn't get it. Either way, I eventually got bored of wasting my time on this and stopped. I honestly don't even rly care for Hbox, he seems kinda entertaining on stream but also fake in my opinion at least. If you enjoy watching him, good for u. Only reason why I'm here again is to look back at all these old comments lol. And to kinda explain too Ig, so congrats to everyone who figured it out, so can everyone like stop replaying to me now thanks? I still don't get why people thought I was actually serious through all of the comments 🦛
1 like@Christopher Metcalf Yay, congrats on figuring it out
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron In all honesty? Props for actually coming back here and laying everything out. It's blatantly obvious that trolling is never going to get old to some people, and will forever be ingrained in internet culture, so making your stance perfectly transparent might actually serve as a good case study to those who are relatively new to internet culture, showing signs of what to look out for and be aware of before arguing with someone who might not be arguing in good faith. I can't say I agree with the practice, nor were some of the things you said in any way defensible in my mind, but credit where credit is due, it takes a big man to come clean. Perhaps not a virtuous man, but a big one at the very least.
1 likeOf course, all this is likely going to get lost at the bottom of a massive thread no one is going to read more than half-way through before replying to you and falling for the same old thing despite all of this, but hey, at least it exists. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Jimathy Nutron Oh... My good sir, I was never rooting for you.
2 likesNice to see you back with more slap fights though
Edit/ even better to see you honest about your intentions and admit that you were fucking around. Now I'm rooting for you!
@Jimathy Nutron Basically same thing for me at that time I had spare time and I like trolling trolls
1 like@Boniour I think it's what the algorithm calls "engagement".
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron just thought I'd say hi 👋.
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0 likesThe crab bucket part is literally legendary
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron Did you even watch the video?
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron So everything you just said was a personal problem with him?
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron Didn't you just say that HungryBox consistently losses to Leffen?
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron He literally addressed everything you just said?
0 likesboxing ring
0 likesThis argument lol. Going to be in a MoistCr1tikal video in the future, I guarantee it.
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron honestly if you were actually serious about all this then the fact that you would judge people based on the people that they like shows what type of person you really are. hungrybox has dealt with so much hate from the melee community for years (which was you) but still never stopped and kept grinding, and he has earned so many peoples respect.
0 likesHonestly, the fact that someone can become the #1 player with a character that's antithetical to the game's pacing and mechanics should just further solidify people's love for Melee, since it displays how the game can reward all sorts of different play styles and skill sets even if they go against the natural flow of the game
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Based
29 likesExactly, dk why that’s so hard to understand
26 likesThat logic makes no sense.
0 likes@Shaw Fujikawa L take + ratio
59 likes@Shaw Fujikawa game reward skill
54 likesskill good
Yeah, If Soul Calibur 5 was as timeless and competitive as Melee, and I was good enough for tournament play, I would've strived to be the best with Dampierre. He's my favorite fighting game character ever, and I'm pretty sure he is in the bottom of the bottom tiers.
7 likes"all sorts of skill sets"
1 likelmfao, so if you aren't actually good there are characters in the game that will make you seem good.
@Jarret C no. Wrong. You must be very young.
21 likes@Jarret C No, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of how tiers work. For 95% of the population, tier lists don't apply to you, because they represent potential ability at the highest level of play. If you just pick up Fox and go in guns-a-blazin' without knowing how he works, you'll get curbstomped by even a "low-tier" character.
25 likesTiers are also fluid, and based on people discovering new tech.
the problem is that he's just boring af to watch. I love puff in melee just not how hbox plays it.
0 likes@Xan Xan I mean when lots of your moves can be whiff punished and you die to fox up smash at like 50 then you need to play pretty lame sometimes
2 likesExactly, melee is an expressive game. Not everyone needs to express themselves as "I'm so hype and cool." This is a point a melee mini doc made (I think it was about Michael vs Bananas
0 likes@Jarret C If hes not actually good, and he beats you on your best character with one you view as inferior. You're bad.
2 likesI strongly admire your ability to say ‘doctor peepee’ multiple times without breaking character
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That’s exactly what I was thinking lol
19 likesThe fact that he also completed a Chemical Engineering degree at UF (the undergrad major with the most amount of credit hours) on top of all his Melee accolades is ridiculous
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Jesus
2 likesan intelligent fellow
1 likeAlright, it's been 2 years so let's add an update to hbox's story:
239 likesEarly 2020, Hbox was still extremely dominant even if not quite as much as before as tournaments had been taken from him by Leffen, Mango, Wizzrobe and Zain.
When the pandemic began, Melee, being a 20 year old gamecube game, did not have great online, using the default online from Dolphin emulation.
Some tournaments were still held with this online, with Zain being the frontrunner, hbox didn't enter much though.
Soon though, a now legend called Fizzi created a mod called Slippi, rollback net code with less delay online than ultimate offline, alongside matchmaking for melee. This came alongside a boom in training mode tools. Alot of people were now getting very good very quickly. Hbox notable doesn't like using those tools.
Tournaments were back but Hbox did not perform nearly as well, with Zain seen by many as #1 followed by mango.
Hbox took many losses, losing to players he would never lose to before, such as Ben and Ginger whom which he developed compelling rivalries with.
At his best, Hbox still took top players to their limits, even going game 5 with Zain. At his worst, he lost to random players like Harry Pogger.
Clutchgod had turned into Quarantine Box, an unofficial term to describe hbox not performing online.
Reasons prescribed to hboxs lack of success online include his "bad mentality", always accepting a loss before it'd happened despite him formerly being clutchgod.
Another commonly cited reason is his focus on Smash ultimate, the sequel to Smash 4, as a successful content creator; taking away from much needed practice in melee.
In 2021, the first offline tournament since before the pandemic would happen: Smash summit 11. Summit is an invitational tournament where only 16 players can enter.
Here hungrubox performed very well, getting 3rd place, even beating ibdw, a player who had a very long winstreak on hbox, starting even before online.
This brought up a question on if online tournaments counted, or if hbox is just that much better online, the latter being what most people landed on, him having a better mentality when playing in person.
When more standard tournaments, hbox didn't see a win, however his performance far outshines what he saw online. His online results even began improving, cutting out losses to seemingly random players.
Right now, Hbox is in a weird spot with melee, clearly being a top 10 player, but not capturing any wins. Its really easy to root for him imo, wanting to see him as he was. He does just hold forward and running into opponents which continues to net him losses where he normally wouldn't, like against Polish the peach player, they beat hbox as Peach, something that hadn't been done since 2008 and that's because hbox didn't play defensively.
This aggressive play is sited by some as a lack of drive to win the game.
25/04/22 edit
GIGASCHWAB. An online tournament 1 week before Genesis, the BIG eturn of offline tournament. Hbox woke up late and started in losers bracket. He wants to win.
He ends up fighting Poilsh but gone is thr playstyle of holding in. He puts on sunglasses, will run away and each the timer tick to 0 with very little Poilsh can do. Like back in 2015, he is embracing the "villain".
2 large open bracket super majors just took place, the first where everyone turned up.
Zain won both, being #1 to most right now, even if the rankings are volatile due to lack of data.
Hbox made top 8 at both these events, even getting 2nd at pound (where he threw a crab into the crowd as a throwback)
He may not seem to be able to snag too many wins on the top echelon of the likes of Zain, but he is more consistent than most players, like mang0 who has higher peaks and lower valleys, meaning he will often make it to the end without being beaten by players worse than him
Arguably, he is in the same place he was in 2015: The worst of the gods.
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Post Crab Arc intense
18 likesNow Hbox got 2nd at Pound 2022 too
16 likesHarry poggers lmao
19 likeswow thanks for this comment <3
1 likethis comment is an after credits scene
14 likesYou gotta make a sequel docu about this
1 likeNow in July of 2022 He just won GOML and is in contention for the number 1 player in the world. I personally put him as the 3rd best because of his consistent performances. The players over him are Zain and ibdw but if he wins again and out places both of these guys, there is a strong chance he will be considered the 2nd best or even the best.
0 likesthis is probably the only community where dudes can keep raw crabs in their pockets and nobody even notices the smell
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That's just how Maryland is.
384 likesI mean this community is associated with sweating for reason
298 likesLOL!
10 likesAight, smash bros business idea. Crab scented deodorant.
120 likes@Lord Slifer The Smash Crabs. Smell like a crab, AND get hated by one of the top melee players in the world!
57 likesEw
4 likesOkay that's actually disgusting 🤢
16 likes@Black Caviar If your sweat smells like raw crab then you have serious issues
7 likes@B R believe me, some male Sweats smells way more stronger then Raw crabs ever would (not to mention when room is Full of sweaty males))
12 likesNot necessarily the only one, magic the gathering exists
26 likeshoooooooly shit that was a fuckin good one lmaoooooooo
0 likesIt’s actually a cooked crab. Uncooked are more blue
6 likescrab doesn't even smell bad
1 likewhT the fuck
0 likesI saw meme recently:
3 likesSmash bros players be like: there is no time to be taking a shower
@Jinppa do you try to mansplain me something?
6 likes@Black Caviar That's sexist.
10 likes@Black Caviar Using a word "mansplaining" is sexist.
13 likesd
0 likes@Black Caviar Like I would not know already that you're trolling 😂
17 likesGlink
0 likes@uranium54321 srs tho why are mtg and melee comp players such degen neets though? hungrybox is hated for having basic life standards
2 likes@Jinppa thats the most touchless thing ive ever read
2 likes@tugger Ok, cool.
3 likes@Lord Slifer pretty sure Old Spice did that already, bro. Something like BrachyurAmor or Sensitive Shell-boi. “I’m being pinched by a crab, now I’m pinching a crab.” *Old Spice whistle-tune*
2 likes@Black Caviar 🤦🏻♂️BOTH sexes can be sexist: “characterized by or showing prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, on the basis of sex.”
6 likesGrab a dictionary before you make claims that can literally be proven false in under a minute😂
Although the more frequent scenario is men being sexist unto women, sexism is literally discrimination, in any form, in which the victim’s gender is the behind the implementation of the discriminatory action.
If a woman refuses to hire men because she believes all men stinky and bad workers, that’s sexist.
If a man refuses to hire a woman because he believes all women are stinky and bad workers, that’s also sexist.
Rude
0 likesThat photo showed it was orange, it wasnt raw it was cooked. Maryland crabs have a gray/blue tinge if they were alive and raw.
0 likes@Jinppa Wait really, do females really smell worse than men?
2 likes@the reader Yes, they do. Just google the chemicals I mentioned above. Male sweat smells more like cheese and female sweat is more pungent oniony smell. Of course it's a matter of taste too. Female flatus also stinks worse, because it contains ca. 3 times more hydrogen sulfide - more familiarly known as the rotten egg smell.
3 likes@Atom I am Bisexual, thank you very much
0 likes@Black Caviar bisexuality and simp-dom are not mutually exclusive. Your heteronormative pov is appalling. You owe the entire LGBTQQIAAP community a tiktok apology.
16 likes@Black Caviar uh, no one asked
10 likesLOL
0 likes@Black Caviar No, he's just implying that your gender doesnt define if you smell bad or not.
0 likesA sweaty female could smell equally as bad as a sweaty male. Nothing wrong with that. Dont get bent
The smell of raw crabs is the least putrid one should worry about for these guys!
0 likes@uranium54321 they legit have reminders at their events for people to bathe and use deodorant. its kinda sad really.
1 like@Nubleborsky I think it's great that such a kind of people can have a place to feel relatively ordinary.
0 likesI think it's a shame that such a collective (both together as a community and apart as a demographic) don't receive the kind of guidance and oversight to help them meet their needs and regulate their behaviours, especially considering the correlations with deviating appetites.
Many of these people simply don't have the capacity for self regulation that one might normally assert to be necessary or fundamental.
Just an observation; You don't really hear about people telling paraplegics to stop shitting themselves. 🤷♀️
Ridicule them though if it feels good to punch down, I guess.. I'm not the boss of you.
@Yahmez this is a joke reply right? You didn't just seriously compare being too lazy to maintain basic hygiene with being disabled.
2 likesHaven't actually laughed out loud at a YouTube comment in a long time. This is gold!
0 likesiirc he actually put it on a seat and even tweeted it before the end of the match
1 like@Black Caviar sounds like something a woman would say lmao
2 likes@Michael Piccillo L M A O
0 likesI live in Maryland and can confirm we carry crabs in our pockets to throw at people.
4 likes@anti-box least degenerate comment in this thread, nice.
1 likeIt wasn't raw. It was cooked. Shame people still can't tell the difference.
0 likesThis is fucking gold xD Good God I'm dead.
0 likeslol
0 likes@Black Caviar Bisexual, black, tomboy (who is put down by my family for dressing more masculine) , woman here...I can confirm women do smell real bad sometimes I sweat like a pig and it gets bad, It has such a strong odor thats sour, yes i shower very often to combat this smell but still struggle so deodorant is my best friend and personally I think guys smell better.. some women just put on so much perfume that I sneeze so bad it triggers my asthma.
0 likes@Slime Bunny I also have asthma, lol
0 likesBut ok
If this was a fictional story people would point that out as a plot-hole
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0 likesNah, the rustaceans In the rust community could do it too.
0 likesIt's interesting that the crab is where this documentary ends as that incident was a big turning point for how the community viewed Hbox, as post crab he has become significantly more well liked and respected and his stream has become more and more popular as people watch his online tournament runs in Melee and Ultimate.
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"post-crab" these anime arc names are getting insane man
112 likes@Aviivix I am just imagining a narrator going "This marks the beginning of the crab arc"
35 likesThis is because this was made 2 yrs ago. There probably wasn't much of a "post-crab" when this was made
12 likes@LilyOfLuck From what I can tell, there was a post-crab change, though obviously not all of it can be attributed to the crab. The crab made a lot of people realize how their hate had gone too far and that Hbox was an actual human being, so that shaped community perception. the fact that he started streaming ultimate as an underdog puff (puff is low-mid in ult) also helped change the dominant villain perception, as well as hosting a ton of ult tourneys. Finally ofc this documentary definitely helped the public perception.
13 likesHBox is a legend and always will be in my eyes. Anytime someone is able to win with something "against the meta", they are always more skillful imo. People have to understand, Fox mains could imitate and study other Fox mains to get better. HBox had to literally create and master his own playstyle with no real example to follow with puff.
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At first fox is the hard counter to jiggypuff, then they say jigglypuff is easy and it takes no skill. Lmao
44 likesImitating a top player’s playstyle doesn’t take skill, no. But you’d be silly to imply that ‘imitating’ a top player’s results doesn’t take skill either.
5 likes@Shaw Fujikawa mango is washed tho
3 likes@Shaw Fujikawa that's not what they're saying. Imitating a top fox player is absolutely difficult, but since fox is popular there's lots of guides and explanations and directions to follow to perfect your gameplay.
2 likesHbox had to pioneer his own playstyle without any guides, he invented the style himself off of fundamental game principles and then experience. That's what they mean by harder, he had much less help if any
@Stuugie I know what he’s saying, I just disagree with the idea that just because HBox had few role models it makes him inherently more skillful than any Fox main.
1 likeMaybe it might make him more knowledgable on how to improve, but every Fox player went through years of adapting and refining their own playstyle from those who came before them as well and that is not a skill you can easily teach.
Puff wasn't "anti meta" I would say puff smashes most of the other top tiers and really only loses to Fox super hard, unless you are ridiculously good at smash DI like Hbox, also "meta" in this game is a strange concept because the meta consisted of at most 8 players at once, the tier list in my opinion is completely dependent on how good you are.
0 likes@Obi-Wan Kannabis the problem is that you still have to be super warm with fox and by picking fox you accept that everyone at the tournament will be able to punish you as hard as they can, because he's the most fun character to combo practicing
0 likes@Shaw Fujikawa nobody can smash DI like Hbox, hence why no other puff minus mango in the games dark ages was Ever relavant, any other puff dies at 15 in this match
0 likesBeing considered one of the best players in one of the most legendary games ever and naming yourself “Doctor PeePee” is a godlike choice
89 likeshonestly, i fucking love this dude. As a kirby main and like, someone who's grown resentment for meta playstyles, as having fun is 100x better, I honestly love this dude. I honestly don't know how he's gotten so much hate because holy fuck? It shows how good a game is when the easiest characters can be the characters that dominate. He's just fun <3 ! I love that! good for him!!!
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Breaking the fox meta routine does a lot to a community.
6 likes@Electrical Man it always makes it fun when theres a black sheep
1 like@Electrical Man the fox meta is a complete meme, falco is broken at locals and really if everyone sucks half the cast is valid at least
1 likeBrilliant!
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maxmoefoePokemon hello Max uwu don’t give up on the Sword let’s play please. We all love it
10 likesemplemon on cold ones
38 likesJapan vlog gremlin >:(
17 likesAussie Aussie Aussie
3 likesI never realized max liked melee
31 likesSo max...wheres those japan vlogs?
18 likesHey Max!
1 likePlease get EmpLemon or HBox on cold ones! When you get your equipment deal sorted out at least!
7 likesOjoe Mojo YO! Max, you gotta do it man. get Hbox on cold ones.
0 likesHi max
0 likesmaxmoefoePokemon hbox on cold ones gamer time
0 likesThe massive legend himself
0 likes@Shaman Xeed what does that even mean?
0 likesZaddy :0
0 likesJimathy Nutron means that they smell
0 likes@Criss Kitchn I wasn't asking you
0 likes“I ain’t gay”
0 likes-maxmoefoe
Wtf are you doing here!?!?!
0 likesHello Max 👋
0 likesBruh what the fuck , congrats on finally getting the charizard
0 likesOoo
0 likesLol it’s really not max. It’s a heavily noobie opinion
0 likes@Shin Shaman This comment doesn't even make any logical sense, melee players don't shower haha original joke, but what about that is brilliant?
0 likesLegend
0 likessussy baka
0 likesyes
0 likesoh holy shit
0 likesNot sure about Hungrybox on Cold Ones. Seems like a show more suited to mango to me.
0 likesMASSIVE LEGEND HERE
0 likesi never expected max to be here
0 likeshungrybox is the jschlatt of the smash community - widely disliked, puts on a persona of being arrogant and rude, but deep down genuinely a nice guy who is passionate about his work and works hard
15 likesoh and i like them both. hbox is a chad
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schlatt is well known for what he committed in 1999
9 likesthe first smash game also released in 1999
coincidence?
I feel like getting your story told by EmpLemon is a 21st century honor.
152 likesWhen I found out that Mang0 did all this in his freetime, whilst hungrybox did it with a job as an Engineer, then to me its clear who was beaten consistently all the time.. its Mang0 whos ass got beaten badly by a guy who managed to get perfections in melee but also did a great job in real life, which is the real bummer! My deepest respect for this!
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I promise you that even when hbox had a job that he was playing the game way more than Mang0 was lmao
3 likes@i am a win Maximizing that free time and using it to the fullest. It's called discipline.
19 likes@Doggo I’m just stating the truth it has nothing to do with discipline. Mang0 prioritized other things as well. They’re just different people and OP’s comment is ignorant and disrepectful. I am a fan of both players
1 like@i am a win What disrespect is there in his comment lol? And I'm talking about Hbox having that discipline not mang0 lol.
11 likesTo be fair but mang0 did have a kid and a family during all of this and also paved the way for hbox and other smashers to move into streaming content on top of competitive smash. Also historically mang0 is inarguably better at melee.
0 likesMan I've watched this three times already, it's so well produced, the music it's perfect, the pace it's perfect, the sections of the video and the transitions are perfect, one of the most amazing video games videos I've ever seen, thank you.
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This is my second time watching it and I feel the same way tbh. His story telling is so good, easy to follow and entertaining.
0 likesthis man just making movies and puttin' em on youtube for free
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LordWeasel let me tell you about a man named Jon Bois
180 likes@Brennan Meyer yeah he is too good for this site
72 likesHe should copyright claim himself before someone else does.
112 likesNetflix hopes it can make movie like this.
69 likes>"this man"
20 likesI'm a little offended how you've never heard of Emp before, but only a little.
At least he's making money. :/
10 likesbtw without ads my guy I mean holy moly
23 likesYeah
3 likes@Legend Dairy on DVD as a sequel to The Smash Bros. Documentary
12 likes@Brennan Meyer I literally thought of him the whole time I watched this lol we need a gaming chart party!
0 likesMe: I just watched a really good documentary on Smash Bros... on YouTube
9 likesThis is exactly how I feel about Ahoy and the Internet Historian here on YouTube. Just like EmpLemon's work, they're exceptionally good.
10 likesOr you know... a documentary?
0 likesLordWeasel let me tell you about a channel named LEMMiNO
4 likesKiller bean: Am I a joke to you?
2 likesDon't forget he can put on documentaries. Incredible
1 likethis aint a movie
5 likesit's a documentary
They’re actually documentaries.
3 likesthere are at least 3 ads in this video
1 likeThat's right, he's mad man. A very awesome man man
1 like10k likes with 22 comments bruh
0 likesLike Steven Spielberg? Trust me, he is.
1 likeYt actually over pays creators imo
0 likesYes, hbox documentary mmmmmmmm
0 likesI Promise he’s being compensated for his time.
0 likes@TheUnholyOne their pretty good
0 likesLike YouTubers do
0 likesRight?? How incredible.
0 likesFree? 😂
0 likes@Swiggity …whoosh
0 likes>implying
0 likesIts the movies hollywood would never pay to make. Much love lemon
0 likesNah documentaries
0 likesThe cinematic release didn't do well
0 likesNah he’s making a shit ton through ads and sponsors
0 likes@TheUnholyOne
0 likesIH , ahoy, EmpLemon are great.
dont forget ever "Lemmino" , his content is godtier
Love him
0 likesTrue
0 likesMore like documentaries lol
0 likes“Free”, as though 1M views doesn’t generally = $3-$7k ad revenue…
0 likesAnd good ones at that
0 likesGiving hungrybox a hug is in my bucket list now
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Yup. Same here
2 likesLiterally he had it more difficult in life than most of the people in the community, and still kicked ass in both the game and irl. Yet the community still don't feel embarrassed hating on him 💀💀💀
12 likesAround now 2 years ago, i watched this video and started playing melee. I also then asked a friend of mine, who now lived 3000 miles away because of me moving, and at that point we sparsely spoke, to also try it. 2 years later, this is my favourite game, and hes probably my best friend rn, and i talk to him near daily. Thank you, emplemon
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Welcome to the best game ever with accidentally deep competitive mechanics!
3 likes@Icebrand Music been here for 2 years and love it
4 likesSubscribed.
0 likesIt's insane how EmpLemon manages to produce hour-long documentaries, always with an interesting twist that gives the vibes of a story with a lesson to be taught at the end. While equality impressive is that he makes me watch subjects I never had interest in with suspense.
8 likesWe can safely say there will never ever be another series like "Never Ever".
How am I supposed to convince my gf this shit is serious when you have dr pee pee as one of the 5 gods
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Don't bother, maturity is accepting your adolescence as much as regulating it
381 likesDid not expect this level of philosophy in a Super Smash Brothers Melee comment section
176 likesLol great comment , it’s all a matter of perspective sir ;)
15 likes@elgatochurro accepting how important it is I feel would be a better line of advice
14 likes@elgatochurro but maturity is many things I do agree with your statement but you have to think about other examples of maturity because it is many things
4 likes@Dragonly there's many examples but there's only one thing it is
2 likesThe way he says it is so deadpan it’s hilarious.
3 likesDoctor Pee Pee.
2 likesHOW AM I SUPPOSED TO EAT THIS WITHOUT MY DRINK?!?!?
6 likes“Pee Pee MD” was my favourite
8 likesWell his other name is PPMD so that's more formal.
6 likesHe goes by P.P.M.D these days.
5 likes@Om Nom Nom such a great name change lol.
0 likesPee Pee Doctor of Medicine lol
17:57
0 likes@elgatochurro Professer Poo Poo
0 likes@elgatochurro I'm gonna remember that one
0 likesIf she just watched dr pp play for 1 second she’d know that man is not about the jokes
1 likeI love the idea that the top player challenges and actively goes against the core concept of the game and doesn’t follow it. That’s what I want to see! We need more people in all facets of games and sports like Hungrybox. I don’t even like Smash Bros personally and loved this video for this reason
51 likesWatching this over for the 5th time, now that the pandemic is over.
9 likesMan, this is always something to come back to.
The story of a man, never respected by his peers, rising to the top through his hard work and the support of those close to him.
Just...inspiring.
Last time I watched and commented, I was starting my second year of high school. Looking towards the future, while still looking back some.
Now, I’ve graduated, been accepted to Oklahoma University, and am looking towards my bright future while not looking back this time.
I understand his story, and I’m about to feel his balancing act of college and gaming too.
At least, that’s casually instead of comp.
"The Smash community has a tendency to rally hard against their top players."
17 likesMost Melee players see themselves as underdogs, and identify greatly with any players who are not considered the top of bracket scores. This is pretty much an endemic issue from what I know, and I would imagine they're likely threatened by players who they know are strong in tournaments.
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During the recent 2022 Genesis and Pound tournaments, there were noticeable points where the crowd was cheering for whoever was fighting Zain, since he appears to be the current #1, and they wanted to see a shakeup. Time will tell if that pattern changes again, because people definitely did not root against him to that extent before.
0 likesExcept mango
0 likesI've never played melee, and almost never played smash at all, started this video with almost no interest also, but ended up watching the whole thing. Extremely good edition and narration. Sucks to see hate in the gaming world a lot of us chose to escape from the normie hate. Kudos to you emp, and to hbox.
29 likesHungrybox really won evo with a full time engineering job that’s crazy when u think about it
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legit yes, like wtf i make pies and im not good at games D:
445 likessame, I make games and I'm not good at games D:
389 likesMang0 is a dad lol
64 likesFer Unless he’s a single dad, a full time engineering job is still more admirable.
354 likes@Ruby Y. I've know full-time engineers and new fathers. New fathers look like they are going through a special kind of hell that only survived with the knowledge it temporary, illegal to not doing anything, and their too tired to think anything else.
151 likesI don’t see how this is any more impressive compared to other jobs. A lot of engineering jobs are very stable. Compare that to working a more labor intensive job and I could see a point
58 likesy'all comparing apples to oranges here. They both rightfully hold their melee god titles and what they both have done is nothing short of admiralty
317 likes@Ruby Y. Engineering jobs are mostly desk jobs. A father working 40h at mcdonalds would be more tired and have less time to practice then an engineer.
22 likes@Taylor Brown a dude working 40 hours at a McDonald's can shut off his brain. When you're designing shit that could kill people if it isn't foolproof, you can't. There's a reason fast food jobs pay you nothing.
210 likes@Taylor Brown That's pretty ignorant. And it's exactly that level of thinking effort that justifies paying minimum wage to someone flipping burgers.
140 likes@Ruby Y. As an engineer and a father, it's my clear impression that being a father is much much harder.
54 likesSure, engineering can be complicated, but you can just put down your work and take a breather, then come back to it and solve it at a calm pace.
Children however, don't come with off switches, and some of them are insanely difficult to care for in particular.
I think everyone in this thread is forgetting that no matter how easy or hard a job is, its a big time sink that could be wasting critical practice time. If you’re a stay at home dad, that’s a difficult job but there’s still likely more opportunity for practice, and I don’t know mang0’s story, maybe he was a distant father during that time, maybe the baby’s mother took most of the work, maybe he struggled in other areas during that time period, who knows. It’s tough being best in your field, and it’s difficult for for any professional athlete to successfully balance working fulltime or being a dad with their sport and both players are really impressive for their achievements
92 likes@Peppy the Clown Yeah, definitely.
2 likesIt's impressive, but in my opinion, also indicative of something "off" that someone spends a decade of their life dedicated to a tiny niche contest in an extremely limited setting (playing a single character or maybe 2 in the few ways that are deemed competitively viable).
Not that people like to hear that though.
@Cespie using the term "tiny niche contest" shows how little value and or research you put into the choice.
11 likes@TW
22 likesI'm sorry if the truth offends you, but SSBM is a niche game pulling generally weak numbers. The scene is kept alive almost entirely on passion alone, the top contestants are barely making a decent income on it. Evo has long wanted to scrap it, and then they did.
Hungrybox has pulled in about 115k in about a decade of spending the majority of his life on it. That's around 10k a year. That's not viable, and that's one of the highest earning players in the entire scene.
@Cespie once again your comment shows an utter lack of research combined with a predetermined opinion. Truth doesn't offend but willful ignorance does, Especially that EVO comment considering that Smash games get good viewership and entrants there. Weak numbers were never the reason Melee left EVO or it would've been gone way before 2018
19 likesIf all you did was use google and click on the first top pick you could see that Hungrybox has earned over 300k in winnings. A couple of weeks ago he won almost 4k for second place in a okayish prize pool. Last weekend he won the first place pot from a 69k pool.
In the beginning of the 2010's that prize pool was pitiful, but with exposure combined with sponsors and streaming, the best can profit off if they stick to the grind.
If it were 10 years ago during the Melee Brawl Split you would be very right in your words
@Cespie you are right in that that those who both aren't very popular on streams, and consistently place outside of the top 3 are going to find that putting all their effort solely into Melee is a much more difficult proposition than they would have dreamed of
2 likes@TW 300k is still low. We're talking a decade worth of practice here, for a game that can die out at any moment.
21 likesI make 90k a year at age 29, and my career is building up on top of that.
If melee dies, these people will have a complete void on their resumes in the job market. And this is what, the top earning player in the entire community? Even his earnings aren't that good, so where does that leave everyone else? When you are doing a burnout career like this, you need to be making many times more than people working a regular job, otherwise, you will end up in a deficit once you inevitably fall from relevance. That's why it's a niche run by passion. Being a competitive melee player is not a viable lifestyle. It's a temporary bubble. You'd have to branch that into some other career path to survive in the long run.
Nah. If he were an engineering student, that'd be insane. 80 hour weeks of studying. Once you get the engineering job itself, life is cake.
3 likesRight ? This man deserves his god title to say the least, he had so much "handicaps" and yet he still pushed through it with hsi tenacity and came back to win.
4 likesNot only is he is a Melee GOD, he is also a Student GOD and Salary-man GOD.
4 likesArmada would’ve won if he followed up with a run up up smash or another grab. He went for an upair out of laziness and lost :/
0 likesGabriel Monzon mistakes are a part of any victory in esports and traditional sports all that matters is Hbox didn’t miss the opportunity he was given
8 likesJC yeah it’s easy for me to say what he should’ve done now. It’s still crazy that he was one decision away from the win tho
3 likesgenerally engineering jobs, especially entry-level ones, love to push their employees and you are constantly working 60-80 hr weeks at a minimum. The fact that he was able to juggle that with winning evo is fucking nuts.
11 likesSmart, determined and skilled.
1 like@Dusty Stuff I'm not sure you have a full grasp about what you're talking about
0 likes@Jugg MKJI'm really interested to hear in what way you think I'm mistaken.
6 likes@NumNutts224 You should have said apples to mangos.
5 likesEspecially when you consider that all the other gods/top players were doing melee full time by that point
0 likesYeah, it's amazing how carried hbox gets by playing puff
1 like@PenguinLord10 because no one likes to play puff, except hbox and some other weirdos
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron lol all the top tiers got dunked on by hbox and some "weirdos"
8 likes@Faux Mustache he was studying while playing, before he got the job
0 likesBro, true legend, the other losers just went full playing while this guy was doing a highschool career, simply legendary
0 likesI couldn't even stay sober studying for mine, let alone practice an esport
1 likeWorking full-time and playing a such a high level is really impressive. For those comparing fatherhood and the job it depends. If smash is your job you can still reasonably dedicate 8 hours a day to smash since it's your job, which I believe makes it easier.
2 likes@bryce hoen I know this comment is old, but engineers generally have pretty stringent working hours, least you'll find is 40/week obviously and it could go up into the sky from there (could even go to 70 if you're on call and your employer sucks). That means 40+ hours a week guaranteed less time to practice while trying to be #1 in the world
1 likeAlso can't forget he was also doing this back while getting his degree, so that's even more impressive since it takes a lot of grinding to become a process engineer
@bryce hoen The fact is that being a burger flipper is significantly less demanding in every single aspects except for the raw stress on the soles of your feet. I've worked fast food and retail joints long enough to know what I'm doing is, honestly, the bare minimum of "work".
1 like @El Dorado I both agree that what they are saying is pretty persumtionus... but he just said flipping bugers is HARDER then "most" Enginerring jobs (spefically the desk jobs). Not I don't know how accurate or in accurate that is, someone who's worked both jobs would have to weigh in on that but to finally get to my actual point: How dose that prepestive justify paying minimum for flipping burgers exactly? He things the guy flipping burgers is working even harder at least is physically putting more of there engery into it.
1 like@bryce hoen it isn't about the payment.. It's about the job itself dude
0 likesYou gotta love how all the replies talking about "Its actually not that hard because _____ is harder!" Are literally the exact type of people who were shown in the video dissing Melee and Hbox because "They're easier, so it doesn't take real effort!" Like bro you're the exact thing we were warned against being. Take ya hands off the keyboard.
4 likes@bryce hoen The point is - WHERE HE GOT THE TIME TO DO THIS.
0 likesConsidering he was a full time worker he did about 40 hours per week of work, divided by 5 it's 8 hours of work a day, + the 8 hours of sleep there's the 16 hours of a day. And considering he has to take time in traffic, eating, taking baths and existing with everything else he would take 1+ hour, and he couldn't just get entertainment with Melee, so he would take some days to himself. Basically he trained in the weekends.
@Cespie true. But you mostly had a spouse. There’s no tag teaming for your job. And making mistakes with parenting happens. And doesn’t effect your job. Your job meanwhile can cost you said family if you mess up and tends to not be something you have done intimate memories of.
0 likesI'm not a hater I'm just saying I work with engineers and there all lazy
1 likeimagine going to work the next day like holy crap would you say anything????????
0 likes@bryce hoen good point
0 likes@Nick Depp lmfao
0 likesand got boo'd
0 likes@Cespie Many top players stream on twitch and make money from that too, they aren't living on prize pools alone
0 likes@beszt95
0 likesWhich is what I meant by branching into a different source of income.
The issue arises when some of these people do not have the capacity to be entertaining outside of their niche.
A lot of popular streamers live and die by the popularity of the game that they're good at, while some can make it as entertainers.
My impression is that the people who play games competitively, are generally not the same people that have an easy time entertaining an audience.
Take someone like Ludwig who had his breakthrough in the Smash community. He's not really anyone in a competitive sense, but his success is arguably larger than the rest of the Smash community combined.
At the end of the day, it's not viable to be a streamer/competitive gamer unless you are making enough money to build up serious investments on the side, and the entertainer streamers tend to have better earnings as well as longevity in general.
Being a competitive gamer is an insanely hard and stressful job, and the pay is generally shit. If the majority of their income comes from streaming anyway, then focusing on that makes more sense.
@Dusty Stuff its just a pretty dumb statement and it makes me think you haven't actually worked one of those jobs in your life. especially when you rationalize it by saying "thats why their paid so poorly." quite a head scratcher.
0 likes@TalentedGrape Nothing quite like coming to defend the honor of fast food workers and how much brain power the job actually takes while fucking up "their/there/they're".
0 likes@Dusty Stuff if that is your best response then it's pretty safe to say that you'll concede that your original comment was stupid.
0 likes@Dusty Stuff but sure, i'll just be the fast food white knight for you.
0 likes@TalentedGrape If that's a classic response you get, then maybe you should spend less time telling people how hard your mcjob is and more time reading an English book.
0 likesAlso if you feel the need to space out your sentencs in a comment, they make this cool thing called an enter key. Might save you from looking like a boomer in the future. Unless of course you ARE one of those boomers still working behind a fast food counter and want to advertise that for some reason.
HBox is seriously a true champion. Conquering the game he loves through all the hate and drama. He deserves to be where he is and he is an amazing player.
7 likesI've never played melee in my life. Before this video the only things I knew about the game and it's pro-scene was 'Nintendo fighting game'. With that said, this is one of most brilliant videos I've seen on youtube in a good while. Thank you for being you, making this video and enlightening people like myself of talent and achievements like this in a way that can be easily understood, even by people who have no knowledge whatsoever about the subject as a whole.
15 likesVery well done!
This was so outstanding, you are an incredible creator. The breadth of content that you cover is inspiring.
24 likesHbox deserves everything he has achieved and much more
33 likesSo far you've made me emotional about spongebob, WWE, NASCAR, 1 Russian guy and a dude who plays smash for a living, all of which I had no interest in prior too. That is a talent that I feel no one else on this earth has ever had.
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@Adi Kancharla that'd be sick, a never ever about One Piece would be cool too.
7 likes@Shaman Xeed "Aren't I so edgy and cool by breakig the peace in an otherwise regular thread."
74 likes@Cai I think DBZ would get a Never Ever instead. That show introduced Anime to the west for countless people and it's the show that caused a domino effect on western audiences to watch different kind of anime
18 likesShaman Xeed
5 likes2edgy4me
The next should be about a video game series. Maybe GTA since it has the greatest games like Gta SA, 4, and 5.
1 likeNext, Emp might make you emotional about golf. Tiger Woods, anybody?
2 likesI was about to write the exact same thing. Truly, there was never another youtuber like EmperorLemon.
2 likesEmpLemon has an excellent ability to empathize with a person's point of view. That's why his video essays and analysis of people are unique because his videos can make people emotionally invest in the video's subject while many other Youtube channels fail to do so.
14 likes@Promise Not to mention he makes it entertaining asf while doing so.
6 likes@Gunner 609 well of course
1 likeSummoning Salt
3 likes@Shaman Xeed You have a video saying it's the greatest Anime ever.
1 likewith COMMENTS DISABLED.
RSB-Miasma
0 likesoh wait I remember this person
Lol this talent is called filmmaking, and filmmakers strive to achieve this in their work
0 likes...storytelling talent?Plenty of people had that .
0 likesI think it’s no longer a secret, this guy is the best at what he does. There will never be another EmpLemon!!
0 likesAs a Jiggly player who shook up the little melee meta between my friends at Uni, I have to say thank you. I am shocked and amazed and grateful to see Hungrybox stick to his character, to the game itself, and come out on top! This was an awesome watch. Reminded me how much fun I had playing Jigs in Melee! I know 2 years have passed, but hope Hbox is still rocking on. All the best to him :)
9 likesWas never into this game, I loved the original. But ho-lee-cow, this was an incredible journey of a video. Props to Hbox for everything he's achieved, screw the haters. And props especially to you Lemon, this was an amazing piece of work. Chapeau.
26 likesThe editing, the way info is presented, the music and backgrounds, everything about this video... is a masterpiece.
7 likes55:27 That entire sequence from the read, to the music that coalesces into the sting at Hungrybox's thousand yard stare from eliminating Mango is magical.
11 likesthis man went through a villain arc training arc and a redemption arc
3641 likeshe has main character energy for sure
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I thought the exact same thing while watching this. Fuckin'... this shit was intense, lol
29 likesyou forget the very obvious tournament arc
75 likes@OfficialOdiN yes
6 likesHe is not a villain, he's the underdog who surpased god and become one. He had overcome his weakness and become the breaker of the totalitarian system which was hypocrite and monotone over the years. That's sound like a true hero to me
54 likes@Pras Mahendra a villain turned hero is a hero to the end
21 likes@Pras Mahendra Mostly what he means is HBox LITERALLY went through a "HeelBox" phase. A "Heel" in narratives, mostly wrestling, is a bad guy. That's why Incineroar is called a "Heel Pokemon." It's a bad guy wrestler Pokemon. And HBox literally put on that persona. Like, he's not literally a villain, but for stories sake, he was one at one point.
15 likes@Pras Mahendra Based off what I've heard from SO many different people that have interacted with him, he is 100% a villain.
8 likesAnime character
2 likes@Zach Hollingsworth I saw Hungrybox at a grocery store in Florida yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical interference,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
11 likes@Zach Hollingsworth its a copypasta lmao
15 likes@Hangfire that makes SO much more sense 😭😂😂
4 likes@Mason monias HungryBox was NEVER a villain. Leffen was and still is
7 likesHes def the main character
0 likesPerhaps we're all NPCs and Clutchbox is the Player.
0 likesOn some Zuko from Avatar type shit.
0 likesThis brought me to tears twice... Mad respect for Juan!
4 likesIf you can't be a HungryBox, be a Crunch.
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Respect
3 likes"You [HungryBox] aren't killing Melee.
15 likesThe community is"
Truer words couldn't have been spoken.
having zero interest or knowledge of this game or events, this docu was still absolutely incredible!! 10/10 would watch again
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Yeah... I've just finished watching it today for the 10th time...
1 likeWho the hell keeps a raw crab with them at a gaming tournament
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For real. That's my question too. Kinda sounds fucked up
215 likesIn Maryland, we have crabs on us at all times
425 likesNerds are fucking weird, gamers + nerd just throws it into a dangerously weird realm.
91 likesNate Ashbrook haha, so funny
3 likesGary's out here asking the real questions
15 likesMarylanders :/
30 likesTHATS WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW
7 likesFor throwing of course!
19 likesSam borai he is Sam borai
1 likeThey sold crabs to eat at the venue the tournament was held at.
20 likes@Roland Deschain Yes, the twitch chat every time Hbox won spammed "🦀melee is dead🦀". So this guy thought he would be the hero of melee by throwing a crab when Hbox inevitably won.
19 likesGary Clark III me
1 likeWhat if someone pulls a gun?
3 likes@Antarcticus lmao my brother lives up there
1 likehbox does
0 likesIt wasn't raw, it was obviously a cooked atlantic blue crab
8 likesPpl from Maryland
2 likesWell that's basically cuz crab is related to cancer because of astrology. Some people really are mad cuz a player is just good at stalling..
2 likesVery Fresh Mango now this is epic
0 likesVery Fresh Mango dang, must be itchy having crabs all the time.
1 likeIt was Emplemon planning out the Crab Mentality part
0 likesThat wasn’t a raw crab. Definitely steamed
0 likesYou clearly never been to Maryland
3 likesWhat if you suddenly need a raw crab? Better be proactive bro.
1 likeWho doesnt?
3 likesCinCinBear.
0 likesWho the hell doesn't?
3 likesHe was planning on Hbox ruining Meele.
0 likesIma say this, he was THE god
0 likesSo why was he crabbed
1 likethat guy
1 likeA man ready for revolution
1 likeEveryone, that’s why they always smell so bad.
1 likeA hero lol
1 likeIt’s funny because if hbox didn’t react like such a cringe lord and start crying lol then the guy would have looked like a weirdo.
1 likeThe only thing in the entire world that can justify throwing a crab at someone is hboxs reaction to having a crab thrown at him
LOL
THATS THE REAL QUESTION RIGHT THERE.
3 likes@Franjo Batinic a hero does, that's who
1 likelong live crab thrower
Marylanders can't get enough of our crabs
2 likesWhy would you bring a crab that gamer bo is bad enough
0 likes@Kimg Komg good idea, trying this at my school
1 like@TheZephyrKid Why they sell crabs there, why not hot dog or popcorn or hamburguer, or like RICE AND BEANS.
1 likeOnly those with the largest amount of contempt...
1 likeYou dont?
1 like@Kirin 654 the most oppressed peoples are gamers smh ._.
1 likeLoool
0 likesWho the hell has a crab as a weapon of choice???
0 likesThey were probably sold at the venue
0 likes@Kirin 654 i would. what you mean you wouldn't?
0 likes@Conic Because it’s Maryland. We put our flag on everything, we’ll put Old Bay on anything, and we eat crabs.
0 likes@John can't tell if you were being serious or just joking
0 likesSomeone in Maryland probably
0 likesSomeone who hates Hungrybox.
0 likesMan's gotta eat
0 likesSmash Players.
0 likesThe stereotype about their hygiene exists for a reason and FGC players grew very acquainted with it when Smash invaded their scene.
In fact they had a notorious reputation for their "Stench" in particular and there's ironically more embarrassing incidents that have occurred, believe it or not.
HBox’s story is actually pretty inspirational if you play characters in smash games that aren’t the norm or are considered S tier, or whatever. I like little mac, and I’m reminded a lot of the time that he’s low tier and I should just play somebody else. This reminds me that I can win, even if I’m not playing who they want me to play.
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Only problem is that Jigglypuff is actually consistently placed in top 5 chars in Melee tier lists. Yes it took people like Mang0 and Hungrybox to show their potential, but the potential was there. Unfortunately with characters like Little Mac they just get invalidated by so many chars it's not even funny. Good for you playing a bottom tier tho, play who's fun to you. Also, always remember that tiers lists shift based on skill level!
6 likesI don't mean to be rude but you probably won't win. Mac just doesn't have the potential to win that chars like puff do
0 likes@Red Lion won’t stop me from trying.
0 likesThank you for getting me in to smash bros. I barely even knew of what smash was before this video, and now I have friends that I play with every day and I get to play melee online whenever I'm feeling down. The feeling of growth and gratification that melee gives is truly awesome. If you haven't tried it yourself, whoevers reading this comment, please try it out. Melee is sick.
4 likesYa know, as much as I've watched melee, I never really thought about what it means to use rest, and what it means for you as a person to be able to do it consistently. Being able to rest at all requires an immense amount of confidence and decisiveness. Being able to use rest in the grand finals of a tournament requires near superhuman amounts of poise. Being able to hit a rest in these moments when down in stocks requires something else entirely.
15 likesI consider myself emotional, but this video surpasses anything I've watched. it made me cry multiple times. its not a matter of who's better, its a matter of who wants it more
2 likesImagine vacationing with your family, thinking "Oh cool a tournament for a game I play, I should enter" Then beating the former #1 player in the world
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perfect movie script idea
564 likes@lucidstranger Oh my god it is
239 likeslucidstranger wow you’re right
76 likes@lucidstranger That's basically The Wizard, except our protagonist walks off into the tournament without the rest of his family.
160 likesBasically pokemon except its no vacation and the tournament is nationally rather than regional
63 likes@EclipseMT lol yeah great film
5 likesyeah its almost like the format and meta at the time were complete jokes, allowing something that stupid to happen
33 likesntr- It’s still smash bros and has the same fundamentals. Mew2King was number 1 in both melee and brawl at one point.
18 likesThe #1 melee player
4 likes@shady80 it's so funny watching people get this defensive over smash bros
87 likesPlease change your profile pic it's so cringy
0 likesLa gusta
0 likes@Mason Russell yeah but that was an anomaly, literally no one has done something like that since (and probably never will tbh unless we get a god who happens to dabble with the shrinking top level melee scene)
4 likesBen Sachs That is such a stupid thing to say. Melee has complete different air dodging, movement, & shield mechanics. Mew2King actually grinded brawl to be the best, Ken didn’t.
17 likes@Criss Kitchn But Ken still got to the finals of the tournament though. Right?
6 likesJohango Joestar The game was still new.
1 like@Criss Kitchn It wasn't new enough that a random 14 year old should be able to beat a person who was the best at the previous iteration of the series and had presumably been practicing since it came out.
17 likesJohango Joestar you must not have played melee. or at least not in a competitive way, because you’d see how they aren’t similar
4 likes@Criss Kitchn I know they're not similar. It's irrelevant whether they were similar because Ken went to brawl immediately after it came out and presumably practiced like a person with experience with fighting games would but still lost to a random 14 year old.
12 likesJohango Joestar I don’t think so. A lot of the top players said they tried it and gave up after a while
0 likes@Criss Kitchn but Ken obviously didn't just not practice for an early tournament and then make it to the finals.
7 likesGets final smash
0 likesi heard CPU vanished from the smash competitive scene afterwards
1 like@Johango Dojolo You're not taking into account that the kid also beat all his opponents to get into the finals as well. Just because he was a 'random 14 year old' doesn't mean he was just lucky once. He apparently knew something about how to play the game. There have been similar things in games like Chess, which never change, where a grandmaster loses a tournament to the kid because they underestimated them and the kid had a tactic that was uncommon. So I'm not surprised a guy who considers himself the best comes up against a kid in a game he's not had as much experience in would underestimate the kid and not try as hard.
13 likesCharles you realize that items were on right?
8 likesWendell Lira, a soccer player from my town won the golden ball years ago. Then he met some celebrities and played FIFA against the number one player in the world and won.
0 likesIt was so funny, he was an unknown soccer player that got the golden ball and defeated the number one FIFA player in the same year.
After that he quit soccer and staters playing FIFA, and I guess he is average like he was in soccer.
There is always a random kid, 14 or whatever age, that can own a pro. The last generation of parents that think video games are a waste of time are soon to be, even still alot of kids dont get a chance..
3 likesI have a friend who has a pro tourney arena rank in WoW who's reason for never having entered a tourney was "idk I just havent traveled to one"..
0 likeslol i guess the kid is just better at brawl
0 likes@Bob Lob oH iTeMs MaKe ThE gAmE uNfAiR cAuSe I'm BaD aT uSiNg ThEm
2 likesJoe literally when you can summon a entire character to help you fight it is,mixed in with lets say a poke ball spawns on top of someone and he gets a good Pokémon, that means he is not only , trying to avoid the Pokémon/assist trophy, I am also trying to fight the other player as well, why do you think that items are banned from every competitive tournament?
13 likes@lucidstranger If this was a movie, people would say it's unrealistic lol
0 likesActual story book right there.
0 likesReminds me of every pokemon story
1 likeand winning 3 mil
0 likes@Joe I think the community doesn't like it because its rng, Just like how hero got banned in ultimate wherever that was.
0 likes@Mason Russell thats like saying cocaine and crack are the same drug
0 likes@lucidstranger Holy shit LOL
0 likes@ツ But who's the number one Godzilla Destroy All Monsters Melee player?
0 likesLol can someone please timestamp this moment
0 likeswe can make a religion out of this
0 likesfirst time and it's soooo perfect
Epic 80s movie moment. Kudos to the kid.
0 likesEgo 100
0 likesJust chiming in here to say that this video caught me off guard, it was 10* longer than I expected it to be, but I didn't want it to end. Dedication to detail and production pacing, thank you.
10 likesThe storytelling and the script of this video is so good that i watched through all of it without even knowing Melee or hungrybox existed. Amazing job for both lemon for making the video and HBox for pushing through
5 likesI already liked him a lot, but this essay made me appreciate him even more.
10 likesSmash on.
Enjoyed this a lot. Great to have an insight into the history of competetive Melee and the community. Very compelling story! "Everyone wants to see the king fall."
6 likesI asked Juan to sign my controller before one of his pools matches in 2016 EVO.
1930 likesHe looked tired, was in line for coffee, but still took the time to give me a signature.
+1 good interaction for the Box Man, love that dude
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41 likesbox
22 likesbOx
21 likesBoOOooox MAAAAAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAaan
24 likesBox
12 likesIf this is true, he really is a cool pal
20 likesYou missed the part where he floats up in the air with a sword and slashed your controller in half while saying "begone casual". Pretty rude guy don't you think?
106 likes@Mimi And then fire rose from the floor as HBox grew devil horns and laughed maniacally.
73 likesThought this was going to be a copy pasta
8 likesbox
4 likesكرتون
0 likesbox man
1 like@Extreme Stupidly good comment
0 likesBöx
0 likes@Tetsu Shinjou And then he proceeded to up throw-rest an innocent crowd member.
7 likesthis is a godlike vid, thx Emp. this could be my personal best watched video in no matter which platform in all these mask-years. thank you Hbox, u show me what a really esports gamer is.
6 likesI can't find words to describe the emotions I'm feeling from this. Amazing video.
5 likespossibly the best video i’ve ever seen posted on this site, i always find myself coming back to it despite seeing it 20 something times already. such a raw emotional story told absolutely masterfully. incredible.
10 likesI appreciate this video. I'm glad you took the time to compile all of this so that I can have a better understanding of the history of this amazing competitive player.
3 likesThis video is proof that YouTube is overtaking TV as an entertainment source. This 1.5 hour masterpiece felt like it was made by a documentary crew with a huge budget. Truly impressive.
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If you look at the trending you will see that youtube and tv are the same
31 likesFelt like it was made by a toddler. Truly unimpressive.
6 likes@chantyman the people watching is the same. Not the people making it.
26 likes@ShawnMC Truly unimpressive.
0 likesAll the people who never wouldve got a chance finally have one.
0 likes@Wicklash not if youtube has anything to say about it. They'd rather shaft original creators in favour of mainstream shit.
8 likesI really enjoy this more then the big budget crap
2 likes@Purgatory your subscriber list is full of people who would make video's like this, what's the matter?
15 likesThe production quality is lower than most made-for-TV docs. However, the actual content within is far more interesting.
6 likesId rather have someone like EmpLemon making our entertainment than Nickelodeon
4 likesI watch yt way more than tv. Yt quality is really impressive
1 like@Purgatory edgy name, edgy profile picture, edgy typing style, this guy has it all. The edge rivals Marth's sword
4 likes@Moon Marth's sword doesn't hold a candle to his edge. This edge is the embodiment of sharp
2 likes@Purgatory nice bait mr. Edge
0 likes@Purgatory your profile pic looks like it was made by a toddler
2 likes@Purgatory woah look out guys we got an edgelord over here don't get cut
0 likesBro, for real, I didn't realise that the video was an hour and a half until I saw your comment.
0 likesShit I was wondering why it seemed to go on forever wasn't bored just didn't look at the time. Maybe I should buy a smart tv
0 likes@Purgatory ik thats u
0 likesIf only they were paid as such
0 likes@Purgatory Edgy name checks out
0 likesI normally fing EmpLemon really annoying (eg. Behind the Meme video) but this video is fantastic
0 likesholy crap i didn't realize this video was that long! great video
0 likesyou could say that tv is on a downward spiral
0 likesThis was one of the best documentaries I’ve seen. Thank you for your work. Thank you Hbox for your perseverance!
2 likesEmpLemon
5 likesTruly amazing work on your part. learning about the growing efforts of the smash melee community through your video as been an amazing find on youtube and an incredible video to get excited about.
Subscribing now. Thank you for keeping me entertained and excited throughout !
keep it up! proud of you !
I bet this is the 200th time I watched this this video is so addicting to watch and emp you narrate so good. i got recommended your “there will never be another player like hungrybox “ a week later after watching it constantly I looked at your other videos and you are a masterpiece.Get this guy to 1 million subscribers
11 likesexcellent documentary
7 likesit's the right amount between good story telling and game explanation
i think i could let my mother watch it and she would understand the drive of the players and why some people spend nearly all their time getting better at an old video game
kudos my friend
A 14 year old coming to EVO during a family vacation and winning it all IS pretty incredible though. Respect to that kid.
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@Circhester its still cool tho
304 likesYea kinda funny to think ppl were actually cappin bout a 14 year old prolly having a fucking blast just cause his win was a farce😂
345 likes@Sam Alderman wins a win
179 likesThe fact that a newcomer can beat a top tier player due to the game itself, just shows how much more casual Brawl is compared to Melee and even Ultimate. I wonder how far did he go in that tournament.
171 likes@Circhester smash meters didn’t exist in Brawl bb
56 likes@Circhester ah yeah, that was pretty unfair because he was the only one who had Items and Smash Meters, right?
69 likes@Circhester why be so negative
41 likes@Circhester oh well
15 likes@Circhester dude you're such a buzzkill you're not getting what he's saying. Of course it's a fluke, that's what makes it so cool.
55 likesThe respectful human being in me says congratulate him, but the hater in me says f that kid.
8 likes@Xfalcity it was merely a different meta. Which the majority of entrants literally had no experience in, and tons of experience/expectation in the opposite. The kid won the whole tourney, that's not really a farce. He'd have to beat tens to hundreds of players, many very good (though maybe not necessarily in that meta) to come out on top
21 likesWho y’all talking about ?
1 likeLmao smash ball
0 likesXD imagine the look on his face
1 likeyeah, a world champ is going to be at least pretty good at any smash game since the skills would transfer over
3 likesthe kid would have to be at least half decent and know a few things about the game to win
then again, items...
@Circhester yeah, maybe he didnt deserve it, but imagine being that kid. definitely a memory they will rember.
7 likes@Circhester shitty rulesets aren't the fault of the competitors, they're the fault of the tournament organizer. The organizers at EVO were smoking some strong ass shit to put items in a tournament.
13 likes@Circhester yeah, but you still you have to be really good to be able to do it
1 like@Circhester
4 likesKen played like a sack of shit during that game. CPU, the 14 years old kid, didn't have that strong items but Ken barely used his shield and let CPU get away with so many spot dodges and rolls
Lol, as R.O.B. too. Mid-tier character.
7 likesThat kid is a legend.
@Circhester jesus dude just let the kid be happy
7 likesCPU himself admited that Ken would reck him if items weren't turn on
1 like@Circhester lol salty about something that happened years ago still? Items on with smash meters meant both players had access, and for someone with no tournament experience to beat Ken, they most certainly deserved to win whether you can handle that or not snowflake 🤣
9 likes@Circhester then why even bother responding with your troll comment about how he didn't deserve it and its not impressive? Lmao quit embarrassing yourself kid and quit before you keep digging 🤣🤣🤣
7 likesyep
0 likes@Circhester a guy named Joycon Jesus went against Fatality(the worlds best captain falcon), in the ditto and took him to last stock last hit. Joycon Jesus was playing with only 1 left Joycon, and he almost beat the best captain falcon. Not sure if you know this or not, but theoretical probability is much different than experimental probability.
2 likes@Circhester in words of Cuban blisk
2 likesif u beat me your better if I beat u I'm better
@Craig Moon but gyro
0 likes@Perpen no
0 likes@Mr Literal why u so mad lol
0 likes@Quimbo not really
0 likes@Craig Moon but he had item control
0 likes@Perpen nah
0 likes@Circhester Leave it to Smash players to down someone's win just because they aren't a real pro.
4 likes@SoKool He won the tournament, they said in the comments and in the video itself
0 likes@Fjoraselda Oh right. I forgot.
0 likes@OHYEAH_kool-aid Yeah. Upsets like this usually does spark some outrage and it's not just in the Smash community. Also, maybe they will disregard his win as well because this tournament has items turned on.
0 likes@SoKool So? He still won the tourney fair and square, and I'm sure the pros who joined the tourney knew there were items on, and they still joined. It's actually pretty sad full grown men would throw such a tantrum over a kid beating a pro. And I know it's not just Smash, but Smash is easily the worst, and that's saying a lot.
2 likes@OHYEAH_kool-aid Of course. He did play the game without cheating, so he did deserve the win, even if it feels like a fluke. The pros may have joined the tournament because EVO is one of largest tournaments and the cash reward is probably decently sized too. And I do think it's kinda sad that his win was kinda disregarded by the community, but then again, what would you expect from the Smash community?
1 like@OHYEAH_kool-aid I wonder if he ever won any other Smash tournaments?
0 likes@Circhester he deserved it as much as anyone else who joined. Like Brawl is some sort of "sacred battle ground?" Game's a shitpost lol
1 like@Thomas C. wins a win? If you beat toddlers at basketball is that a win for you?
0 likesWin’s a win is something losers have to tell themselves
@Forgetful 78 L
0 likesSo Zuit Ultishit is even more casual than Brawl
0 likes@Circhester ah yes, and i’m sure you could do better?
0 likes@Thomas C. This is how I feel about it.
0 likesand he played rob
0 likes@Circhester Interesting how someone so reasonable can gain so much hate.
0 likesThat’s a huge flew
0 likes@MeatBoy No one finds it cool, it lame because it show's skill truly didn't matter in this game.
0 likes@Circhester He won. Period. They chose to turn those modes on, they chose to not play with standard rules.
1 likeA win is a win if the rules have been accepted. You can't cry and throw a temper tantrum just because you lose at team deathmatch just because you're used to CTF.
This is no different.
@Circhester items take skill lmao. Just a different type of skill. Kid probably played items all the time and that's why he won. To just say "oh, there were items, something both players can use, and he won. Therefore his victory is invalid."
1 likeLike, if the kid is winning against so many people he makes it to finals, he clearly has skill
@Super Isaiah I agree, and I play with items off. I'd say items off feels more like a tournament, items on feels like a raw street fight where you're improvising weapons to survive.
0 likes@Circhester As a huge competitive fighting game Fannie beg to differ. If he lacked in skill then so did the person he was playing
1 like@Circhester I disagree. If anything it just shows lack of skill on the person who is supposed to be some world renowned God. I've played brawl enough to know that some random person can't beat me because of a fluke. If they beat me it's because I was slipping up
0 likes@Circhester Items thing is still no excuse dude. You're comparing someone who plays the game for hours on end, and blaming the game! If he was truly that skilled he should have wrecked him with items plain and simple
1 like@Circhester smash meters didn’t exist in brawl
0 likes"There will never be another 14 year old like that guy"
0 likesRespect
0 likesIt may have been a fluke, but it makes for a really cool story to tell.
0 likesHe had to atleast be kinda good tho
0 likesI wonder what he does now
0 likesThat’s what smash is all about , just think there is probably the greatest player ever out there who just never got to compete .....
1 likethe og smash prodigy
0 likesNah not really. It would be incredible if he won legitimately. That's not to say it isn't cool there was a time a kid could just do that in smash considering it does have a significant young casual audience.
0 likesAnd on the way the kid, Jimmy, stopped at California Dinosaurs with his family and left his yellow lunch box containing family pictures inside of a giant dinosaur
0 likesImagen the bragging rights
0 likesThe kid who won EVO 2008 is a nobody ✅
0 likesIt’s remarkable the pettiness of the people who actually hate on him
0 likes@MikeGlasses except that in this case the toddler won at basketball and then everyone got mad at the toddler. The lack of self-awareness is astounding
1 likeSmash fans: WHAAAAT YOU CAN'T JUST BEAT OUR BEST PLAYER WHILE ON A FAMILY VACATION
0 likesThat kid: hehe robot go brrrrr
That’s just “The Wizard”
0 likesWasnt it items tho?
0 likesA goofy movie ngl
0 likes@Hebi I mean he wasn’t really a prodigy when he got one fluke win and never won any tournaments ever again, or got any notable placings or wins ever again. The og smash prodigy was Mang0, or if you considered him too old, Mkleo in smash 4
0 likesIts more on the turnament rules than the game itself that the kid was able to win. Robs ultra smash would get a guaranteed kill, sometimes even 2. EVO wanted to show off the new mechanic of ultra smashes, so they added this item. The kid played the system and won, its by any means no small feat to achieve.
1 likehe did it for his family truly
1 likeEven though it bugs me that the kid won through items, the fact of the matter is he still won against other players who also could use items.
0 likesItems
0 likes12:50
0 likesHonestly thats a testament to Brawl, HAL definitely made it casual enough
0 likes@SoKool Technically, the best in one game wins it.
0 likesI mean you can jump, fly and move 300 km/h, but if you don't hit the other guy off you don't win.
I could go into a tournament of Smash Bros and win by luck because i decided to stay on the ground instead of flying over my rival.
Tho, this won't happen, because i don't have talent lmao
@chillin why though?
0 likesI wish people weren't so whiney. If you get beat, items or not, then you get beat. Smash players got salty because Ken wasn't good enough at brawl. The kid was better at the item meta. It's the same for if me who has barely played melee went against hungrybox. I would've been destroyed. That's what happened here. In my opinion.
0 likesWhy do i feel like it's the same thing from diary of a wimpy kid 4?
0 likes@SoKool this vid was misleading. It wasn’t because of Brawl. The tournament organizer MrWizard insisted on turning items on instead of following standard rule sets. The kid won due to item gimmicks.
0 likes@chillin Not the kid's fault, blame the developer. But then again it sounds like they were out to make a casual game so I guess it succeeded.
0 likes@zippo718 I was just kidding I don't really blame anyone
0 likesWho the fuck is Circhester lmao
0 likesThis was beautiful to watch, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for creating this. You are so good at this, better than most journalism.
2 likesAfter 2 years I keep coming back to this video. This will forever be a timeless classic.
1 likei’ve watched this video many times and never found something i disagreed with until i picked out that you said puff was the most “lame”, however it’s hard to match the chango set or stalling to ice climbers with wobbling and that’s based on personal and community experience, especially around that era. however it’s only my opinion :) still love this channel to bits
1 likeI love this new era of long movie-like well edited documentary style videos becoming popular on YouTube by people like emp and summoning salt amongst the recent trend of short, fast paced videos like reels and shorts.
3 likesThis is an entire hour and a half biopic about the rise of an incredible man, produced at a level that wouldn't be out of place on Discovery 20 years ago, available completely for free on YouTube. For all the issues we've had, I'm very grateful that this platform exists. Thank you and everyone else pouring their energy into making documentaries about the things you're passionate about.
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Blake N People who can perform at this level in any field are incredible. They are making art. You have some odd definitions of incredible too. People who lead governments are more often corrupt bureaucrats than noble sages (I mean, just look at the US), and great inventions are just as often the result of serendipity as They are some major theoretical breakthrough. Penicillin, for instance, was discovered by accident. What hungrybox or any of the other players mentioned in this video have done is a deliberate and noble display of dedication and skill to a game that a large subculture does deem valuable. That’s a good standard for incredible.
70 likes@Blake N Define standards then, Blake the creator of this world.
29 likesBlake N I can’t relate because I’m not stupid
24 likes@Blake N
22 likesJust because you don't respect their dedication doesn't diminish the significance of it.
Blake N now this is a certified bruh moment, they’re just admiring someone else’s work.
15 likesthere was no need to shit on the fun train, but I guess that’s life
It's okay everyone, Blake's incredible moments are discouraging comments on YouTube
7 likesImagine how delusional you have to be to think smash bros is art lol
3 likesc’mon guys can we just not right now, unless there’s something wrong about admiring work that I haven’t heard of it’s be nice if we stopped
2 likesBlake N how is a sport called a craft when all you do is move well guess what anyone who puts effort to be the best should be celebrated
1 likeEveryone stop arguing and let’s just take a moment to laugh at the stoned jigglypuff in the thumbnail
0 likesBlake N = mango’s alt
0 likes@saul Art is objective. Anything could and eventually will be considered art. That being said, i would argue that anything that requires an insane amount off effort and time to pull of can and should be considered art. Also, it is not about the game, it is about what it represents. A man, and his life. He had troubles, hardships and joys. But he went through it with a goal and a smile. He never gave up, he never just sat down and cried, he worked and when he achieved his goal, he kept going. He didn’t disregard the rest of his life, but he did work. And eventually, after thousands of hours, he became the best. That is art.
0 likes@Glarson Yen I think you mean subjective, but you´re right. It is pretty incredible how he dedicated all that time and effort, and at the end he reached his goal.
0 likesfucking kekking at the guy who said playing smash is art
1 likeBy incredible man, do you mean mango or armada? Because hbox is the opposite of incredible
0 likesNo one understands YouTube and it's rise and fall more than lemon. He's out here for the passion of it
0 likesI’ve watched this video multiple times now, and something that’s always struck me is Leffen. The more you dig up on him, the more hypocritical and vile he becomes as a person. Ironically, all that shit he talked about HBox Leffen is 10x worse in every regard. Truly a toxic person. And I don’t say that lightly.
5 likesThis video introduced me to the world of competitive gaming, I wish I could watch it for the first time again.
4 likesNice video to listen to while drawing, it's super informative and really well made. Nice job, emp.
5 likesP.s. made up drawing some fanart of Hbox, what're the odds.
This was genuinely one of the best documentaries I've ever seen. The music was incredible
5 likes"There used to be 5 gods, now there's just Juan"
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Eater of worlds
113 likesSoggy Ramen A meteorite has landed!
53 likesSoggy Ramen & Rhys Evans Goblin Army is approaching from the West
29 likesi almost scrolled down and then i got it
4 likesTartarusYT "You feel an evil presence watching you..."
20 likesa true hungrybox
6 likesNo
1 likeI made it 375, lol.
3 likesThe jungle grows restless...
11 likes@Soggy Ramen impending doom approaches
9 likesI found that subtle joke hilarious when he said it
0 likesYa but have you heard the tale of William “I willa win da evo” Peter “I hava won da evo” Hejejejelete
0 likesAstral corruption from calamity?
1 likeIs it a coincidence he looks like Mark Hamil?
0 likeswhats with all the terraria references?
5 likes"Screams echo from the dungeons..."
1 likeCelestial creatures are invading!
1 likeTartarusYT Wall of Flesh Has Awoken!
0 likesHe said it literally 5 seconds after I read that comment
0 likesa solar eclipse is happening.
0 likesHAHA
0 likesThe blood moon is rising...
0 likesLong ago, the 5 gods lived together in harmony, until the Juan nation attacked.
0 likesYou feel vibratoons deep underground...
0 likesThe Pumpkin Moon is rising...
0 likes@Hopeful_Vessel :3 "The air is getting colder around you"
0 likesNice
0 likesThe air is getting warmer around you.
0 likesbars
0 likes@Soggy Ramen He who puts worlds to Rest.
0 likes@Soggy Ramen don’t know why terraria’s her but I love it
0 likesto this day mang0's reddit response is still goated. name a better way to motivate a competitor
11 likesThis kept me thoroughly interested the whole time, what an incredible documentary amazing job emp.
3 likesI’m watching this again because of this weekends HBox success but It’s been long enough. We need another in this series.
1 likethere will never ever be a beter smash video than this because ive watched it 4 times already
4 likesThe amount of toxicity this man has had to face during his career. Nasty people is all I can say.
1859 likesTruly inspiring to see what Hungrybox has achieved over the years!
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Just because your main is "gimmicky"," doesn't mean that he deserves the hate. Every game has a character that has something about them that you just have to play around (rest included).
81 likesLol rlzero as well
0 likesImagine believing in Toxicity.
7 likesIt only benefits the individual that doesn’t like either the person having a different opinion including the truth, being honest, or considered some sort of behavior unlikable to the individual as wrongdoings.
@John Williamson What do you call unwarranted hatred based on double standards, knit-picking, and outright delusions? I call that toxic behavior.
119 likesLol that melle
0 likes@John Williamson if you believe in toxicity you also believe in the power of the crowd and have no mind of your own as going against the mainstream would also mean that you'd attract criticism
17 likesI couldn't help but read that in Trump's voice.
4 likesMost people are cool, it’s just a vocal minority that act like that. Also the “heroes and villains” thing is mostly an act to create narratives that spice up competition.
6 likes@Diamond Miner The issue is, that salt was so prevalent in the Melee community that it became popular to trash on HBox. I'm not just talking online, I mean in-person tournaments where people talk during friendlies.
17 likes@John Williamson "Imagine believing in toxicity"
15 likesWhat a peculiar thing to say. "Toxic" is just a label used to describe behaviour and attitudes people find to be needlessly damaging/lowly/dishonest/unhealthy and so on. That this label is abused doesn't change the fact that the concept it's describing is real.
@John Williamson Imagine not believing in toxicity lmfaoooooo
5 likes@John Williamson hi troll
2 likesI just gotta say, as a smash player, I'm very happily surprised about how many people I've met that have discovered Melee through this video. Thank you for appreciating our game enough to make something so compelling about it, I think this video is fantastic
2 likesThis really well made, informative video! Thanks for reminding me how amazing smash was and how great Hungrybox is
0 likesIm still so glad this video got the attention it deserved. An ad free masterpiece is now close to 10 million views. Incredible
2 likesI have always supported Hbox because of his absolute skill and grit. He deserves way more than he gets, and I really and truly hope the best for him in the future.
2 likesThe “Never Ever” series is the best running series to ever exist on this channel. Idk if this is a hot take or not but I have watched all the Never Evers multiple times and I’m hyped for this new entry.
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The dale Earnhardt one, breaks me everytime, I cry every fucking time
153 likesThis isn’t just the best series on Emps channel, its the best series on this platform
130 likesReminder that he has a patreon if you wanna support him farther. These videos have a lot more to them than just their face value.
48 likespubba13452 I watched that one a weeks ago and it had me in tears. I had already watched it more than 10 times and yet it still brought me to tears
32 likesBloomFilms I’m only in high school so I don’t have very much money to give. But I’ll consider it.
15 likes@Daaave My favorite is that one, but the one with the most value has to be the one on Stanislav Petrov.
16 likesSame here, man
2 likesThere will Never Ever be another Never Ever
27 likesI concur, for both best to exist on the channel as well as on the platform, though his other content is nothing to sniff at.
8 likesi get always kinda emotional at the end of the spongebob one
1 likeNice profile pic ;)
2 likesi agree so much
1 likepubba13452 On this channel? This series might be the best on YouTube
5 likesSame here.They have such a great amount of detail which makes them both interesting and rewatchable
3 likesI agree. EmpLemon's content is always nicely put together, but this documentation type format suits better than expected, 10/10. Would cheat on my wife with this video
3 likesThere will never ever be a YouTube series as good as Never Ever
2 likesSame here
1 likeEmp lemon and Summoningsalt have God tier content on youtube
4 likesThe one on Stanislav Petrov will never not make me tear up a bit. Sometimes I'll go back to it just to look at a specific part and end up watching the whole thing. Even the title is something to be appreciated, and something that strikes a small pang of fear; 'There may never ever...'
5 likes@pubba13452 he should do more racing related video
1 like@pubba13452 Emp made me care about NASCAR, I was always the guy that would lambast NASCAR as that silly hillbilly sport, but it was just so provoking to me.
2 likesI think he's definitely putting the most work and editing into these videos and it shows.
1 likeit's just excellent, really. emp gets to cover basically whatever he wants, and we get good thorough content out of it
1 like@Shaman Xeed yet its at evo. Your opinion is invalid
1 likeDude you hit the nail on the head.
1 likeits kinda hard to agree, at least for me, so far i have only watched the spongebob one. i could watch the raw one but i dont like wrestling anymore and honestly im a bit lazy to watch it.
0 likeshowever i dont know anything about the driver nor this melee player.
@Im Marty from OW team I didn't care in the slightest about wrestling, smash and nascar, but lemon made me think I was a part of the community for years. It's an incredible feeling getting this hyped over the progression of a video. Maybe I'm easily swayed.
2 likesNever Ever is great, but y'all really killing me with "it's the best series." Y'all gotta look at ahoy.
0 likesThe Spongebob one opened me up like a book and made me realize what it truly meant to be a millennial. Damn i miss gamecube after school and ed edd and eddy...
1 likeI thought I didn't care about the things the never ever series talks about that's until I watch it we don't watch things because we think we wouldn't like it but we don't know what we want or like
0 likesNgl this series is better then most shit on TV
1 likeI guess you could say there has "Never Ever" been a youtube series like it. ba-dum-ch
0 likesI guess you could say... there will Never Ever be a series like it
0 likesme2
0 likesNo, this was pretty bad ngl
0 likesBlaster .M funny you say that considering that emp has talked about youtube being the tv replacement in the past on the channel
0 likesIf you like these, check out the "Pretty Good" series by Jon Bois. Never Ever seems to take a lot of inspiration from it, something that I'm certain Emp has confirmed before.
3 likesNo, a video this bad can't be a part of "the best running series on YouTube", that doesn't make any sense
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron Ack, sodium poisining.
1 like@Lord Dash Donald Dappington is that what you have taken?
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron Yes, through exposure.
0 likesGotta say, I'm watching this for the first time in 2022 and I'm not even half way though and I love this. I have so much respect for hbox as a player especially with all the shit he's been through. Props to you for making such a well put together documentary and props to hbox for sticking it out for this long. Truly a legend in his own right.
2 likesI've watched this countless times. Thanks for this masterpiece EmpLemon!
2 likesI was never into Smash at all. But then I saw this video and now am heavily into smash
4 likesThank you for such a great video for newcomers to smash!
No doubt one of the best gaming documentaries I've seen. Beautiful work.
1 likeThe absolute scale of these videos astounds and inspires me. Must have been an editing nightmare/gauntlet to make this one. Hot damn Emp
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Oh hey Cody
165 likes oh hi mark
140 likesHi Cody. Still shitposting
61 likessuprised to see you, Cody
12 likesNice
1 likeAltHist next video: what if... Project M was never persecuted
67 likesA surprise to see you but a pleasant surprise for sure
7 likesAlternateHistoryHub can’t wait for the episode on “what if YouTube never censored creators and only removed really vile stuff?”
22 likesWhat is this a crossover episode?
7 likesWhy do you watch all the stuff that I watch
4 likesI think emp and Cody are friends irl
0 likesAlternateHistoryHub oh hey there Cody, didn’t know I would find you here
3 likesCody since when do you watch smash videos???
2 likesDidn’t think I’d see you here Cody
3 likesWhat if the super smash brothers brawl never happened?
1 likeMe a decade and a half ago wouldnt have been bitter as shit.
Comader alt hist hub cody
0 likesAlternate history idea: What if EmpLemon never went into a downward spiral
3 likesColab pls!
0 likes* superkiwis in a downward spiral *
0 likesCody posting on a comment on a non-history video? thonk
0 likesAlternateHistoryHub heyyyy didn’t know you liked melee
1 likeRisu nice
0 likesYeah, these take a lot of time
0 likesToo bad it was bad
0 likesAh yes you are the guy who doesn't understand history or hypothetical situations.
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron who should be here?
0 likes@Puppet someone that's not you
0 likesBut if it was not me then who would it be? And assuming I never posted would you still have? I'm already thinking deeper than alternatehistory.
1 likenever would expect a big fella be here acting like us, cause by heart, he is one of us.
0 likesOh hey, it's alt. History hub.
0 likesone of my favorite channels watches one of my other favorite channels. nice
0 likesWhen I see this comment I have fear of Youtube
0 likesWhy you here?
0 likes@TomHasError because who doesn't like Emp
0 likesI didn’t expect to see you here
0 likes“What if Fox’s up air actually connected?”
0 likesThis video wasn't even good
0 likes@Illford I don't like him
0 likesI always see you in the most unexpected places.
0 likesWhat you need to remember Cody is that Emp has come from a YouTube Poop background, so video editing is his speciality.
0 likesHey cody, alternate history question?
0 likeswhat would melee look like if HBox did not win Evo2k16
. . . I didnt know you were into SSB
0 likesNever would I ever think I'd see Cody in the comments of a Super Smash Bros eSports video but here we are
1 likeplease Spanish subtitles don't work
0 likesdefinitely. damn, he puts alot of effort into these and it's freaking free.
0 likesGreat video! Great message! I don't really care about competitive gaming, but this is a really good story and I'm so happy you made this video and that I happened to watch it. What HBox said in the end about perseverance really hits me in the feels. Thank you.
2 likesThe Effort put in the video deserves credit just as much as Hungry Box does deserves everything he achieved!
2 likesI think this may be your best work. Even after the third watch it is still an engaging and emotional experience better than most high budget documentaries.
2 likesThis video was a masterpiece!
0 likesAll of HungryBox's story felt like an emotional anime story, it got all the character arcs, emotional moments, and character development to make a great story! HungryBox is a legend!
Imagine having to face "The fifth god" and then you finally meet him and he's named Dr. PeePee.
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PPMD Kreygasm
277 likesthat dark souls moment where you fight "the fifth god" and then get his sword and the description of it says that it belonged to "dr peepee"
361 likesBooooooow, before the old gooooods.
61 likesKorean DJ
13 likesIkr! XD
2 likesIronic how he titled himself as a doctor, but left due to a medical condition.
120 likes"DR. PEE PEE WAS ENLIGHTENED BY THE POWERS OF FOX, AND GIVEN NEW STRENGTH TO FIGHT AGIAN"
19 likesWobbles 3 of the Melle Bible.
And Dr. PeePee leaves for medical reasons.
16 likesDeath by swag name
1 likeHe’ll be back soon!
1 like@Cham I'm pretty sure his medical condition was the main reason for his choice of name.
12 likesYou see some conditions are not disabling for many years even though the patient knows it might be even fatal in 10 years. Sometimes there's just no cure.
Kinda the same impression I had when watching One Punch Man for the first time, tbh.
1 like*Dies and goes to heaven*
7 likes"God? Is that you?"
"Yes, I am this God you all speak of, but now that you are here, please, call me "Pee-Pee McDickButt" my child.
D:
Awaken my master, Dr PeePee!!!
2 likesSay his name.
5 likesYou won't be laughing when he blasts you.
Dr. PeePee PooPoo
PP M.D. GOAT
2 likesThat fact that EmpLemon was so serious whilst saying pee pee is just funny
5 likes@Brickwall Plays he's very serious about the topic and I don't like it
0 likes@Jaijaibinkx still waiting...
0 likes@NCP you and me both brotha. I still BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF PP
0 likes@Jaijaibinkx PEPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
0 likes@Killer Cheemstar He mains Falco...
0 likesA name that makes a mere mortal's blood run cold
0 likesPeak Lovecraftian
0 likesLMAO, been playing melee for so long that I forget how weird the tag dr pee pee is to people outside of smash
0 likesthis is actually one of the greatest videos i've ever watched. Good job Emp :)
1 likeLiterally shed a tear. One of the best thing I've watched on YouTube
2 likesA couple of interesting things I noticed, watching this for the 5th or so time
1 like51:45 Tasty Steve begins to announce the game title
52:17 the Jason Alexander shirt really sets the mood here
This randomly showed up in my recommended and I clicked it out of curiosity. I honestly wasn't planning on watching the whole thing since I'm not really into the competitive scene, but the way you strung it all together made it impossible to stop watching! That hour flew by in no time and I feel like I personally know Hungrybox now. I feel bad for the guy getting the rep that he does... Even after he achieved his dream of becoming the best, he was still looked down on by the whole scene. I hope he's doing well now and has fun in whatever tournaments he chooses to enter
1 likeAlso never knew about Leffen either, but I must say he has an incredibly punchable face.
"Hungrybox's victories are treated like funerals while his defeats are celebrated like God's gift to the game."
2509 likesJesus this is a mood if there's ever been one...
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Fr fr no cap
9 likesvery depressing tho
50 likes@Burp Bot No kidding, I only played for 6 years, but some people I met were absolute trash. Harrassing players and making fun of those with issues / disabilities. So glad they're banned.
64 likesOn the other hand met some of my best friends.
@Jessica Stoker that is also depressing lol
7 likes@Kyle Picard It's whatever you can do to keep yourself mentally well. It's terrible, and it's a situation that requires way more empathy than it receives, but... we all have shit going on. So honestly, I think we'll all live. Just have to limit how much shit we put on our plate at any given time.
6 likes@Jessica Stoker and a number of people who spread false allegations about grooming young girls for the sake of increasing their brand.
8 likes@Jessica Stoker I'm not blaming you. One allegation for zero ended up being real. All the others were made up including the original accusations made by both jisu and leffen. All in all it's extremely messy. Many of the accusations were real, but almost as many weren't and that sucks because people will take the real ones less seriously.
7 likesAnd I thought WoW community are toxic
1 likeAs someone who has come across him online using Slippy, I can confirm this was my mood in the moment 100%
1 likeYou can thank Leffen for that
1 like@Jessica Stoker If you brought it up as a means of saying that, fine. There's nothing wrong with that, especially since you actually have more say about it that just "shocking". A lot of YouTubers that have nothing on their channels tend to have the loudest voices. By that, I mean they're usually the rudest users, and often act like they're better than others, because what happens on YouTube and the Internet in general don't affect them.
2 likesThe fact you're able to go into depth with your thoughts instead of leaving it at "shocking" says more about you than it does about a lot of the other users that fits that demographic. You may not have a dog in this fight, but you do have a conscience and a willingness to actually be civil and hear people out. That means something.
@Otneimica I just wanted to say you really made my day with this comment. I also wish there was more civil discourse and less reactionary, incendiary hot-takes. But... I don't want to say too much else. Just thanks.
0 likes@Jessica Stoker You are welcome.
0 likesDo you follow melee? I dont think this is true. all of the top players (yes including mango) want hbox to be good. He has been going through a big slump recently and everyone wants him to succeed
0 likesIkr xd
1 likeIn Quake, there will never be a player like Evil again. For the 20 years it's been competitively active (in Quake 2, Quake 3, QuakeWorld, Quake 4, Quake Live, and Quake Champions), no one else played like him. He brought unique style to the table, beating the best of the best in Europe in Quake 3. He really surfaced and became a dominant force from 2011 to 2016 in Quake Live.
5 likesI really enjoyed this. I'm very impressed by the skill involved in this video essay. It comes across to me as very authentic. I find the opinions in it to be very well expressed. I find it quite engaging.
1 likeliterally sucks that Hungrybox has to deal with all of this im so glad the man is keeping his head up and still being absolutely incredible in the game props to you man.
1 likeChoice of music throughout this WHOLE FUCKING THING has been stupendous, thank you for making this
5 likesHungrybox isn't an underdog story, but a story of someone with the potential to be the best, but needs to overcome the spite of the people around him and win even though no one wants him to. It's honestly kinda beautiful.
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Until you see a single match and realise everyone is right.
14 likes@Finn TW Why do you say that?
35 likesUnderdogs aren't necessarily weaker, just less favoured. He is a prime example in my opinion, since a chunk of the community is
70 likeswasagainst him.Finn TW nah
3 likesSlow game play or beautiful gameplay?
1 likeReminds me of the guy in my pfp, Tom Brady. Had to battle through adversity to become the greatest player of all time
8 likesYup, it's not often you see spite lose...it's nice.
1 like@Shaman Xeed Boy you sure hate melee....that's fair.
1 likeEven in the face of adversity, he continues to prove he is one of the best.
1 like@Kata Cutie He doesn't fit the definition of underdog, because underdogs aren't hated on a community-wide scale beyond anything related to the game. Also, most of the time fans aren't really against underdogs in the first place, but rather enjoy having them around because they bring more excitement to the game yet don't pose a significant threat to their favorite players. As Lemon points out, this is just a case of "sour grapes, double standards and empty excuses."
3 likes@huh968 That's not really the definition, that's just how you perceive the idea of the underdog to be.
3 likesUnderdogs can absolutely have a whole community against them, and I said, they don't have to be weaker or less capable (relating to the "posing no threat to their favourite player" part).
He doesn't even HAVE to be ""right"", and their discreditors don't HAVE to be ""wrong"" (I think they are, in this case, just to be clear).
As long as they see a cut of the overall grief of a given scenario directed at them, but they push through it regardless, they fit
mydefinition of underdog.Yours is not necessarily wrong either, by the way, I simply disagree with it.
@Kata Cutie My main point was that the word 'underdog' only makes sense within the context of competition. The hate HungryBox received goes way beyond that.
1 likeImagine a match between Mango and HBox, Mango playing Fox at skill level 10 and HBox playing Puff at skill level 9. Just for the sake of argument, everyone notices this difference in skill and labels HBox an underdog accordingly (in the traditional sense that he is considered less likely to win the match based on skill level). Regardless of what happens during the match, HBox is going to receive hate purely because he plays Puff.
Now imagine the reverse situation. Mango plays Fox at skill level 9 and HBox plays Puff at skill level 10. Once again everyone notices this difference in skill, and therefore they label Mango the underdog this time. Again, regardless of what happens during the match, HBox is going to receive hate purely because he plays Puff.
In brief, those haters didn't really care whether he could be considered an underdog or not, they just wanted to hate on him because he played the game in a way they perceived as wrong, which has nothing to do with competitive ability.
@huh968 I see what you mean now. Yeah, I completely agree with you.
2 likesI've watched a lot of Hungrybox, but I never knew of this story and the hate he received, I'm actually surprised that I haven't heard of this before.
2 likes@good dog I say that because when you phrase it like this it does seem quite beatiful but then you see him play and immediatly realise that everyone is right to hate his playstyle :')
0 likes@Finn TW I find it kinda entertaining. Especially considering he's one of the only puff mains that up high in ranking.
4 likesHe started as the underdog before he grew into the uppercat.
0 likesYou know who he reflects even more? Steve Yzerman
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron Nice bait
0 likesMr Emp, I gotta admit I had no interest for any subject you approached in this series and yet every time its been one of the most interesting piece of media I had the pleasure to watch in my life. Keep the incredibly interesting niche topics coming . ❤
3 likesthis is insane! ive never seen more high effort, long, bingeable content! emp is one of the youtube gods.
0 likesdamn, people can be that much of dickheads eh, let the man get what he's been working his soul out for, he deserves it.
2 likesDidn't even know how Smash works but I sit through this 1 and a half hour vid, this dude is awesome
I've watched this video several times because the journey into the smash world and the five gods as characters is so enthralling!
1 likeI'd really love to be introduced to some more documentaries like this if anyone has any recommendations!
Seeing HBox fall on the stage in tears after that victory, and knowing what his father told him... wow. RIGHT in the feels.
1322 likesNow that was quite interesting, the whole Melee history. How much new can be discovered/learned in a game, even after pro-players already dismantled it to the core for so many years. Great story! 👏
0 likesIt's strange, I really needed a story like this right now.
2 likesThank you.
I shall continue and persevere.
Endure.
As someone with the name “Juan” I can appreciate that “there’s just Juan” joke, it’s a rare moment when a Juan joke makes me laugh 😂
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You could say it was juan of a kind
1 likei've come by once more to see it again, because this video is so great it would deserve to be told in history or philosophy school, you got every emotions every memes every bit of connections in the process it is a masterpiece well done, i'm glad to be alive learning and appreciating fate like Hungrybox success <3
0 likesThe historians are ultimately the ones who will decide how you’ll be remembered. Glad Hungrybox has emp to set the story straight.
1327 likesGreat video, I knew nothing about the Smash competitive scene and this was a great history/personal story piece. Especially good editing and use of music as well.
0 likesThat was a fantastic video. I'm not even the most familiar with melee and yet it still resonates with me. I truly believe there is a lesson in here for all of us,not just people who compete with each other. Life is not just about beating others or just being successful, but being the best you can be without doubt and always learning to win.
0 likesI genuinely think I will never see a more inspiring picture than Hungrybox on his knees screaming his heart out after finally achieving everything he ever wanted. Truly a thing to strive for.
1 likeHonestly, I’ve never understood why he’s gotten the hate he has. To me, I always admired him playing a character totally different from everybody else and doing extremely well with it. It’s amazing. Never once in my mind has it ever occurred to me to jump on that hating bandwagon. After I saw this for the first time tho, it made me into an even bigger fan of his, especially learning all of what he had went through in his childhood. Poor guy. I really wish the best for him.
2 likesI had my share of cringy preeteen gamer names, but imagine sticking to one, becoming a master of the game, rising through the ranks and having to tell your grandchildren, "I was Dr. PeePee, and I was called a god of Melee." That's true dedication.
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PPMD is also such a nice guy
183 likes@BananaCat 310 all the gods seem like really nice guys aside from mango, mango seems very cocky, especially in the reddit reply.
129 likes@Moo Mango is definitely very cocky and arrogant but he's still a good guy. He was just especially so in 2013 during that AMA. He's humbled up a lot since then. Not who I would consider "nice" but he still means well. He meant well back then, too, but his arrogance overpowered everything else. He should have given Hbox more credit in that AMA and he learned his lesson from the backlash along with having a moderated conversation with Hbox soon after.
157 likes@Moo while mango is definitely a showboater, he's definitely changed. If you watch some of his recent streams, he's in touch with the community, and while he sometimes is arrogant, he seems a lot more set on becoming a better player, having good relationships with fellow pros, and just promoting melee as a whole. Part of this has to be fueled with his epic war with zain, as they are the top 2 players in the world rn and are just getting better.
52 likesIf i was known as a God i'd be cocky too
24 likesThe legendary status 😎
0 likes@iehn you're correct but i still hate it
8 likes@Mr Anxiety yeah same. i love Valorant and its pro scene but the top team is such an arrogant, egotistical team and its really annoying; they dont even say gg in games and call themselves the best all the time
5 likesthink hungry box is bad ? try emo pixel lmao
2 likes"I liked it and I was good at it"
0 likesNoobmaster69
2 likes@BananaCat 310 he also really likes bagels
1 like@Moo he's cocky and arrogent but he has his limits, and he's still a good guy, they all are.
2 likes@iehn i hate you for that joke but i cant be mad because it was good
3 likesPrototype X i’m subbed to PPMD now on YouTube
0 likes@BananaCat 310 good, gotta reward those who enjoybagels
3 likesWhich is exactly why I'm taking "Big Jinkies" to the top of winners bracket some day lol
1 like@Moo nah mango is just always having fun
0 likesI cant figure out how this guy says it with a straight face
0 likesAnd he made it sound cool with PPMD
2 likesI was going for the dark edgy anti hero name like NightKnight, Dark Ranger,...etc
0 likesGood lord it was cringe
These guys won't have grandchildren
0 likes@Moo ya he seems cocky but I feel like outside of that he seems fine
0 likesreminds me of how my brother uses “poopertoilet” as his ps name and he’s becoming better and better at brawhalla and getting into tournies with that name, he even faced off against the world’s best, boomie
1 likeI will forever stay with “GrassEater” as I’ve had this for 3 years and it came out of me playing Pac-man at an arcade and my brother asked “what’s your favorite word?” I couldn’t think of anything so I just said “Grass” and he made a joke about Pac-man eating grass a “GrassEater” if you will. It’s been my name on EVERY video game ever since ;)
0 likesNot really. He had a childish name in a game for children. That is actually perfectly normal.
0 likesAnd bragging about being mislabeled "a god" for playing well at a decades old game will just make him look like a moron with an inflated ego. His grandchildren would shrug off the accomplishment and laugh at the name. And if you'd ask them about the story a week later the only things that they would remember would be the name and that HungryBox considered himself to be a god for playing well at a decades old game which no one (including his grandchildren) care about.
@Moo You feed into his ego by calling him a god and then blame him for being cocky?
0 likes@Dr. C it’s like teaching a kid to be disrespectful and then complaining that he’s disrespectdul
0 likes@iehn imagine loving valorant.
0 likes@Gunplabro imagine loving a game where theres no prize pools or lans.
0 likes@iehn imagine thinking you're good enough to play at that level. Imagine having that aspiration.
0 likes@Gunplabro i mean im on a tier 3 valorant pro team and was available for TSM's academy team but turned down the offer because of school
0 likes@Moo mangos great man.
0 likeseu sou brasileiro e sou muito fa de smash ultimate e melee, muito obrigado pela tradução incrivel!!!!
3 likeswow I remember watching that 2013 EVA championship and being hype about Mango's comeback but I had no idea it would even be remembered by anyone lol
1 likelowkey i wanted jiggly to beat a space animal the whole time
I've never looked into competitive gaming before this and so I can now say that Hungrybox is my all time favorite competitive gamer. Respect.
0 likesI’ve never even played this game and I watched this from start to finish. Love the content man, keep up the amazing work!
0 likesVideo games: The only place where you can have a legendary figure named Dr. Peepee
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@Shaman Xeed I KNEW YOU HAD AN ODOR KINK
254 likesEven better, when the sponsorships started flooding in, he changed his name to PPMD.
302 likesOnce he got sponsored he became PPMD :(
67 likesKent - 929S - Bucketfullabiscuits It’s like the nvidia GeForce Experience aka “GF Experience.” Subtle enough but still wildly immature, haha
42 likesPPMD's such a cool guy too lol
56 likesDr.peepee was Eric's nickname on that's 70s show
6 likesPPMD KREYGASM
30 likesSTACK IT UP
15 likesWhen Dr pee pee is known as a god
8 likesI mean PPMD is still pronounced pee pee
2 likesA god named dr peepee
2 likesPeePee Medical Doctor
6 likesI think "PPMD" is a hilariously immature "sponsor friendly" modification of the name. Wouldn't suspect a thing if I hadn't been told his original name. Beautiful.
25 likesVideo game culture in a nutshell
1 likeExcuse you "a legendary figure" , HE'S A GOD!
2 likesNumber 1 peepee
0 likesNumber 2 doodoo
What about "Shivering Erotic King Banana"
0 likesLmao
0 likesOk but the change to PPMD was so smooth and smart tho
1 likeHow has no-one mentioned the legendary speedrunner xX_420_blazit_Xx
0 likesI Always Like History...but this...Is THE AMAZING! Man...this is one the Most impressive ones i have ever seen! I became interested in HungryBox just for curiosity but now...I am Huge Fan! Im gonna root for him and maybe al least...Makes him feel a little better This video was Completely worth playing
6 likes"To know how to win, You need to learn how to lost a 100 Times or even more" Thats probably what HBox is
Fantastic video, a whole documentary and it gave me a whole new perspective on Smash in general and tought me a bunch on Smash Brothers History. 👌 to Hungrybox, he deserves it.
0 likesDude the ending was absolutely crazy bruh man’s just tied that into a knot for real
5 likesThis is a high quality documentary. I enjoyed a lot. Well done
2 likesThis wasn’t just a YouTube video, it was a movie and a damn good one. Bravo.
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Documentary*
18 likesMan, that begging, climax, and end were PERFECT . Better than any documentary and most movies that I've watched. I will never look at the phrase "It's just a game bro" ever again.
8 likesthis hBox guy is like an real world Rocky, but in a virtual sport!
2 likesAnd I almost cried a lot of times in this beautiful movie
@Wellifailed Documentaries are movies
0 likesI've watched this 4 times already lmao
0 likesI put it on Letterboxd as a documentary
0 likesShit gives me chills everytime this is so good so well written and you did everything right I love this damn video
0 likesThis is such a great video. I've never played smash outside of a single sitting in a dorm room many years ago. But this is so cool. HBox fan here, even though I'll never look up a single tournament result. :)
2 likes“In his time, there were four others like him. Now, there’s just one (Juan).”
8 likesI’m fucking dead.
There will never ever be another Never Ever episode like "there will never ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox"
3 likes"I don't care if hbox wins for another 10 years, melee is sick." - Mango
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He said that? I'm glad
92 likes@ElWeeabooDelBarri he doesn't hate the puff matchup. He and hbox are on different wavelengths and have clashed as a result but it was never about hbox playing puff. Conversely Armada never had a problem getting along with hbox but hates hates hates playing against puff.
102 likesHe’s a good sport
2 likesShironane I assume what he means is that his mentality towards hbox and puff have changed over the years. That AMA was from 2013, maybe things have changed since.
27 likes@Coco Cop LMAO that dude really brought up the AMA from 7 years ago. Not only that, but for the past few years, when everyone has been hating on Hbox, mang0 has consistently been one of the only ones to actually defend him (saying things like, he gets more hate than he should, he makes him want to get better at the game, etc.). Mang0 still makes fun of him, but he literally makes fun of everyone. That's just the kinda person he is. It's always reddit warriors who know nothing about the scene who bring us down.
49 likes@Rambo3rd Reddit warriors, the second most toxic entity after YT comments (not these ones, but you know)
6 likesDamn man what an awesome documentary! Can't belive I just watched the whole thing without even exactly knowing what Melee was.. You told an awesome story about an awesome person and I'm happy to have heard about it!
0 likesNOICE! That turned out to be an unexpacted gem, knew nothing about melee before getting into here and boy, oh boy what a ride this story was, let's just say Hungrybox just earned another fan ^_- thank you for this.
0 likesthis is such a goddamn legend I feel like there should be a fighting game where the characters are melee players
1 likeI don't even like melee
That was so interesting and entertaining! I watched the whole video and I just can say: Hungrybox, keet it up!
0 likesI am not really into the Smash community or tournaments, and I don't know these top players, but that's totally cool in my opinion.
It's a shame that there are not many tournaments from Brawl.
Honestly, his story is really inspiring on so many levels.
1071 likesThe fact that even when it feels like the entire world around him hates his existence and it all seems pointless, that he can convince himself to keep going out of sheer defiance and always keep his head held up high... Is just simply too awe inspiring to describe with mere words.
I think everyone at one point in their life or another experiences tremendous self doubt and uncertainty, so much so that it can be completely debilitating to your dreams and goals.
It was around one year ago that I began to fall into a terrible rut of Paranoia, stress, and general depression because I thought there was no point to what I was doing. That every second I spent merely breathing was just another second of wasted time.
It doesn't matter what initially started this downward spiral, the point is that it happened.
And I believe turmoil and depression, when faced head on with nothing but the tiniest shreds of faith you still have left in your heart, that you can emerge a far stronger and brave hearted person than ever before.
I'm still not entirely out of that rut, but bit by bit and step by step I am climbing my way out, and seeing the stories of people like Hungrybox and others with his level of conviction, only help me see ever more clearly that you'd be losing far more to give up than to press forward.
God speed Hungrybox.
I hope that no matter what happens you find happiness in whatever you do.
Smash or otherwise.
God speed.
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Thanks Papa Emp!
7 likesAmen. We need to take from him and learn from him. In the face of adversity, he succeeded and kept powering forward inspite the hate and negativity thrown at him. This man truly is a pro and is more than qualified to earn the spot on first place.
9 likes@Shaman Xeed Stop hating. Smash is a fighting game AND a party game. It is a great came in the casual level that also has an immense potential on the competitive level. That's it.
10 likes@Shaman Xeed If you use the word "musty" then you have an odor kink.
3 likesWe gotem boys.
I have felt the same way, and even still do feel the same way. I'm currently going through college, and even though it's can be extremely frustrating and upsetting at times, I'm still trying to persevere. I know that in the end, no matter how useless or boring I think it is, I'll always know that it will be worth it in the end once it's over, and I'll come out a stronger and smarter individual. People like Hungrybox help to encourage me to keep moving on and not give up in the face of mental adversity.
1 like@RustyLasagnaI feel you, and I'll probably face similar obstacles, but before all of that even happens, I need to ENTER college in the first place, and that's what I'm trying to do right now :P
1 like@Starmain My honest advice, which may not be the best, is to not enter college immediately after high school. Work on study ethic first, because studying and reading are the two most important skills you will need for university work. Also look into careers and majors that you think would suit you best. And once you feel like you're ready, try your best to enter college. Work hard, but also make sure to give yourself breaks and have fun while studying.
0 likes@Starmain His comment is dripping with sarcasm.
0 likes@Majima Nowhere What do you mean?
0 likes@Starmain I mean he isn't serious. His comment is satire.
0 likes@Majima Nowhere Which comment, in specific? The one where he replied to me or the one I originally replied to?
0 likes@Shaman Xeed well I mean, it obviously is. You're just denying fact at this point.
0 likesdid someone say downward spiral
0 likes@Starmain Just report him for spam, because at this point it really is spam
0 likes@Lovpi Liv Honestly, what's so wrong with HBox? He doesn't seem like that a bad person at all from what I've seen, unless I've missed something...
1 like@Starmain Nintendo gamer 222 he's not that bad with 40 asterisks
0 likesHe tends to lie/make things out to being bigger than they actually are
-the crab
-tends to over react to "negative" comments (mango leffen)
-cheats/shity player behavior (checking watch to stall, watching a ppmds controller to see DI)
Also emp misconstrued player impacts/relevence to enhance hbox, players motivations, character attributes
-leffen and hax were relegated to just fox players, even tho those two revolutionized the meta for everyone
-the reason why zero and armada left, he ignored their videos why left (not cuz hbox is sooooo good or because the community is so toxic) (just lack of passion)
-the sick list is fake af, a character being sick is based on how interactive the characters are , also the list is wrong (falcon is lower, sheik is lower)
Honestly I don't hate hbox, I'm sure he's a good person but saying he's a saint that when through such toxic community and some how made it out number one is a lie
Hbox isn't a saint, hes just an ass
Like the rest of us
@Lovpi LivAs a fan of HBox, I may say:
1 likeWell, maybe this video is a little biased; as HBox is indeed a bit overreactive and a bit selfish sometimes (yeah, on his streams, he does swear a lot and seems too much convinced on his Jigglypuff, even on Ultimate where Puff isn't really that viable, for example). However, living as a Latin American immigrant in the US since his childhood must be overwhelming (I am Latin Ameriacan myself, I live in Brazil, and although I never left my home country, at least not yet, I can imagine the difficulties that come when you are an immigrant) and having a full-time job as chemical engineer while at the same time, striving to keep playing Smash Bros Melee at a top level can't be something easy.
Also, this one video does reference hax's importance to the evolution of the Melee metagame. And as far as I know, Mango is a little bit more selfish than HBox, but I don't see him as a bad person, either.
Leffen, on the other hand... I can't find another reason for his agreesive behaviour other than him wanting to always be right.
Yes, he is a top level player that has become so good to the point he is as good as any of the "five gods",or maybe even better than them. However, he gets himself involved in too many controversies. He argued with Salem on Twitter (even though Salem wasn't being respectful either, as he was pretty much denying the importance of Melee as a competive game completely); he always disrespects new players treating them like they are trash (I say that not only from what was said on this one video, but also from a video I saw from the TSM channel that presents Leffen playing smash with other competitive TSM players that come from other games), he hates over the meta of every smash games he gets in (in Melee, he says Jigglypuff kills the game for being "too easy to play"; but on Ultimate, he says that the game has so much character diversity, so many characters are viable, that it ruins everything (excuse me, whaaaat?
For years we had Smash games where most of the roster was either unviable or mediocre, now that almost every character is good, he complain about it? Isn't matchup diversity a good thing for sports, in a way it makes each and every match much more unique?)
Also, I don't find it true that the Melee community by itself is toxic, as far as I know, many people there are good people, but the first time I heard about Hungrybox was indeed in a negative comment about him. Yes, there are also people that support him, but the hate for HBox just suppresesw them, unfortunately.
HBox isn't a saint, HBox is indeed rude and selfish sometimes, be he deserves more respect than what he gets, IMO.
That doesn't mean Mango, PPMD, Armada, and Mew2King do not deserve respect - they do, just as HBox does. All of the "five gods" did a crazy work to get to the top (and although Mango is shown as somwhat of a "villain" here, I don't believe in that point of view, either - he isn't lazy, he had to train a lot to be as tecnichal as he is now; and that's also a huge achievement not many people can do).
Now for my most controversial opinion: In my point of view, Leffen also deserves respect, but as a player, which not so much as person. If he wasn't so narcissist and so full of ego, I would respect him more.
(not that everyone else doesn't also have a narcissist and a egocentric side, but Leffen just exceeds the torelable limit by a large margin)
@Lovpi Liv
1 likeOk Doomer.
@Lovpi Liv oh what a travesty! The man checked his watch!
1 likeI have never even watched any Smash game before, I wasn't even born yet when it came out... Despite that after watching how much HBox is treated... I just wanna virtual hug him so much and congratulate him on his victories, both literally and internally.
1 likeHungrybox, you are awesome! So glad to hear your personal story. I admire your perseverance! You have inspired me with your story. Keep gaming!
1 likeHe is Truly the Tom Brady of Esports Athletes, had a boring defensive playstyle but one that people feared and always ended up making the opposing players shit bricks, as well as being a clutch player who always found a way to win.
10 likesNever ever did I thought I`d become emotional about something in past that flew over my head. Human historic things like these motivate me in my path to become the person I want to be :)
0 likesWhat an excellent job in writing and presentation. I know nothing about Melee comp but I really enjoyed this. I clicked on it out of JigglyPuff curiosity.
1 likethere will Never Ever be another episode of Never Ever like "there will Never Ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox"
10 likesIt’s so fascinating how eerily comparable this is to Dale Earnhardt’s story. With not being able to win the biggest event in their sport for so long, being hated for being the best and for their tactics. Hell even Mango and Richard Petty are comparable as far as their dynamics with Hungrybox and Earnhardt. Neither would most likely respect each other’s sport, but they sure as hell would understand each other completely. I know I’m very late but you’ve done an amazing job on this Emplemon.
1 likeHe Really Owns Up To His Name . He Was Hungry To Get Out That Box 📦
2 likesOmg. I used to play Smash Bross in the nintendo 64, and I played a bit in the gamecube. I never thought this video with having mysef so little background in the game would make me want to watch it to the end. 10/10 in narration and entertainment. I'm so happy that Hungrybox made to the top, btw. It's a shame there is so much hate in general, and in the videogame comunity in particular.
2 likesThis is an amazing documentary. Thank you for your hard work in making this.
0 likes58:13 this moment gives me chills every single time i watch it
1 likeThis guy is such a gifted content creator… he has so many viral videos in all genres… Man literally has a video about smash, cartoons, and NASCAR and they are all quality content
1 likeborn to late to explore the earth,
2069 likesborn to early to conquer the space,
born in the right time to watch a video essay the length of a movie, about a competitive player i never heard, dominating a game i never played! XD
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Hour long documentaries about esports are what we have instead of movies like The Sandlot. It's our new Underdog Sports Movie genre.
38 likesyooooooooooo you right thoooooo
3 likes*too
4 likes@Caleb Lee TO
0 likesThis video literally made me buy melee and I’m glad it did
4 likesyes same here
3 likesxd
0 likestoo
0 likesI think the final frontier is unquestionably understanding what a human is and how it works. There's literally no reason to explore space.
2 likes@Sarcose Thats a nice observation, Sucrose.
0 likestrue tho
0 likesBro same 😭
0 likesHis celebrations where unique, a shout to the universe, you don't have to celebrate with me, i can do it myself, at the same time a pokemon cry to her peers for validation, we love you HBOX one of the greates of all time, in OUR heart
2 likesthe GOAT
Stuff like this makes me want to keep making my work. If HBox could persevere and take melee to a better place, I can do the same with magic.
1 likeThis video made me feel the ups and downs of hungryboxes life it made me shed a tear what an amazing story
0 likesI love these high effort video essays. Especially when thinking that the smash community is entirely toxic, playing smash years later, and then figuring out you're only half right.
0 likesI'm glad Hbox is getting the appreciation he finally deserves for having the determination and perseverance to actually be the best. Hopefully this game becomes our generation's next big sport.
And like all big sports, hopefully it stays interesting to watch like this is for the stories it makes like for the Puff with no bounds
I almost cried when he played the clip of people cheering for hungry box
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IKR
19 likesIs there a game where the crowd cheered Hubgrybox? I would like to see that
42 likes@Gabriel Praslin smash ultimate.
25 likes@Yes Indeed that explains why I've never heard it before
30 likes@Gabriel Praslin I remeber a melee tournament where they cheered for him, I swear, I just can't remember which one... I think it was a tournament around 2017 where he won against Armada
23 likesMe too
3 likes*I cried...
2 likesSame
2 likesHello brother @superlink30 30
2 likes@Blitz Assassin hello brethren
1 like(totally not the same person)
2 likes@Gabriel Praslin That cheering at the end EmpLemon took from that tournament where Hubgrybox was thrown crabs. Because that incident crowd feels bad for him and they began cheering https://youtu.be/3kgwi_b1V9o?t=1485
7 likes@Frei chan Bless your soul
1 like@Frei chan That's 10x more upsetting
2 likesTime stamp?
0 likesIn what regard
0 likesMe too
0 likesAt one point leffen was so hated people were team hbox over leffen. At the time hbox was in his heelbox phase too.
0 likesI feel bad for him, he gets so much hate
0 likesGave me chills, man
0 likesI’m not even into competitive smash but this makes me wanna go rep hungry box.
3 likesThis was an absolutely incredible documentary. Wow. Well done.
1 likeMad salute to hungry box and how much effort you put into this
0 likesI'm a little upset at how Hungrybox has been recently, where he stops taking the game seriously and then cries about how he isn't winning anymore. He's a legend, no doubt, but to say he is the face of melee or even IS melee takes away from so many other top players that built the scene.
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I think recently with covid making tourneys online he's been really poor because of online lag being specifically bad for puff more than others. Also heard he had a capacitor blown in his controller at one point, neither are excuses but explanations. I want hbox to enter another era of dominance and put himself in the GOAT debate undeniably
1 likeThis was very well done. Imagine one day internet history and anothropology being taught as a subject in schools, as it has clearly impacted our culture and development as a society.
1 likeI've played melee about 10 times total about 9 years ago.. yet I am entirely invested in this story. Great work!
0 likesI was trying to look for something to listen as a background as I'm working on a project and I found this video.
4 likesIt had a very interesting title, so cheers for that to you EmpLemon, and as I'm a gamer myself I clicked in.
And sooner than later I had to postpone my project for 1 hour 24 minutes 37 seconds 😂
The quality editing, how you told the story, the issues and problems Hbox (who I didn't even know until today) went through, what a wonderful video. I just couldn't get my eyes off it 🔥
I also want to send love to Hbox if by any means he also gets to read this. I like to think I don't care what others say about what I do, but when not only someone you love but YOUR OWN FAMILY doesn't support your biggest dream/objective, wow, I've never thought about that context but I think I'd go through some serious and pessimistic times
But he didn't only stop dreaming but chose to dream full-time until he made it a reality by being number 1🏆. Against all expectations, against the majority of the crowd, and by breaking all the game stereotypes (a game that by the way I hadn't invested any time in knowing until now. 5 Gods by the way. Just wow, Melee fans are so lucky to be involved in a context of that caliber).
From there on, the "routine": As it was an inedit way to play the game, casual fans called it "easy" as there was no other player at the top to compare him to, and I guess hardcore fans realized what he was doing and had nothing but recognition for Hbox.
Given the way Emp edited this video and not having gone through that Melee decade, I gotta be on Hbox's side, easy choice for me.
And I really hope I'll someday reach his level of persistence so I can make my dreams come true too.
And to you EmpLemon, thank you for letting me and everybody else know about this and being a great part of this Sunday for me. And for many days to come, as I've (obviously) not only liked the video but also subscribed to your channel.
P.S. I now know that 'Never ever' is actually a saga, so you can bet on the fact that I'll watch more of these videos sooner than later.
Thank you to everyone who had the time to read this, have a wonderful day, I'm having it too 😁
My favorite video on Youtube. Probably my most rewatched video. It is super well made, fun to watch, and informative. I don't even play SSB!
2 likesMelee doc if it had DLC
4077 likesThis was a godlike watch. His story is impressive and inspiring
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How has nobody replied yet
2 likesThe guy who made the original is actually making another he has to clear the rights. It's going to be on YouTube and Netflix
15 likes@Blade383210 isnt it gonna cover smash 4 and ultimate? or brawl? i forget
0 likesTheo Kepler smash brothers covered 2001-2010ish, metagame(new one) is then on, same game
1 like@Kyle Nguyen When is it dropping though? I've been hearing about it for what seems like half a decade now.
2 likes@rakkatytam we have no idea. He has a Twitch channel called DocumentaryKid that shows the process of where he's at. Also I forget if it's more about Mang0 or the Five God's era.
3 likesI admit that some aspects of the video were pretty decent, but overall, it was a bad video
1 like@Jimathy Nutron what were the bad aspects my friend?
7 likesDude I am beyond hooked with this story, it feels like some epic grand adventure.
0 likesI've watched multiple professional documentaries less interesting, less well organized, and less informative than this video. I know nothing about smash, and know nothing about HBox except that he played smash, but am surprised to find this whole thing very very interesting. Well done!
6 likesoh wow.. your storytelling is truly something. never thought i'd spend more than an hour to watch the story of a competitive playeri dont even know
0 likesSuper smash brothers was honestly the greatest game ever when it came out, honestly I remember how excited me and my cousins got when we first played it at there house.
2 likesWow I have never watched melee but I watched this whole video for some reason what a masterpiece of a video
2 likesImagine taking a character generally understood as one of the weakest and turns it into a god. You can spend your life working with the best and deliver results. However, to bring something from the dirt into the light is what a true champion does. Good on him, he's worth his weight in gold simply by the drive and dedication to his goal.
1 likeAfter watching EmpLemon's new video where he goes through his YouTube journey I can certainly see some parellels between him and Hungrybox in their respective communities, both becoming the best and fairly popular in the "wrong way" so their communities treat them like shit until they lash out. Only difference is Emp moved on to new things and Hungrybox continued with Smash.
1 likeWonder if that's a reason EmpLemon made a video on Hungrybox specifically, since he knows how it feels for an entire community you're apart of to treat you like an outsider.
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My thoughts exactly
0 likesLegendary. Thank you for introducing me to this awesome game.
0 likesThat guy was just holding a crab for the entire tournament.
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and it didn't pinch him magically
133 likesHe also held cuz he knew hbox was gonna win
305 likesI mean... they were in Maryland after all
126 likesLocal Neko Nia it was dead
25 likesRight
6 likesIt wasn't a crab. It was a krabby
22 likesIkr like even if Hbox didn’t win, he still brought a crab to the tournament
83 likesHe carried a dead crab and nobody noticed the smell
59 likeslol
2 likes@BeBetterThanThePersonYouWereYesterday R/woooosh
0 likesas somebody who lives in Maryland i can belive somebody did do that
15 likes@zekky auditore
35 likesto be fair this is a melee tournament
@K.S. Truly the only place it makes sense
8 likesTbf he had tons of crabs just hanging out in his pants so it was no big thing to grab one
5 likesLegend
2 likes@zekky auditore most EVO attendants probably smell worse tbh
15 likes@zekky auditore The crab actually looks cooked, so it wouldn't smell bad.
5 likes@K.S. fair enough
0 likesThats the deffinition of diamond hands rigth there
2 likesI’m not gonna lie, if someone threw a crab at me, that’d be awesome
1 like@Erwin The Erwin found the person who actually doesnt use reddit but is just a 3rd grader who watches reddit videos (arguably better)
0 likes@asdfasdfasdf false
0 likesYou're laughing.
6 likesA crab just died and you're laughing...
@TheDancerMacabre I ain’t laughing tho
0 likes@zekky auditore that's because nobody at smash wears deodorant.
2 likesHang on, He had a crab just in the case hbox won?
0 likes@zekky auditore room full of gamers......you wouldn't notice.....
0 likesThe smash community is toxic. What do you expect.
2 likesΦ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxYH5CXbpYA
1 like@H E R A C U L U S Lamest thing i have ever seen.
0 likesOut of all the animals too
1 likeWell, it is Maryland
0 likes@zekky auditore people at smash events don't smell much better gonna be honest
0 likesI bet he was planning on holding it up like a sign in the event that Hungrybox lost so he could do the "crab rave" meme and then just got asshurt when he realized he was gripping a dead crustacean for the whole event and wasn't gonna be able to do the thing so he just chucked it.
0 likes@Axi
0 likesThat's gotta be a tall tale and a shitpost, but it's definitely an entertaining one to listen to. "Entreprenegro" he says, ha. The bit that seals it for me as a joke is when he starts talking about covering for the guy behind the scenes.
Maryland things
1 likeWhat would he have done with it if Hbox lost
0 likesCertified Maryland Moment
0 likesYou're almost at a million subscribers man!
2 likesYou made some of the best videos I've ever seen on youtube
January 2022 - HungryBox still ranked #1. Respect my dude!
5 likesI can just imagine that fourteen year old kid now telling his co workers how he beat one of the best smash bros players in the world back in the 2000's
1 likeI watched 1:24:37 of a documentary of a game i never played, and loved every minute of it
4 likesSo you mean that one guy single handedly influenced a whole new generation of players and a whole new playstyle pushing the boundaries forward? Sounds like a legend of the game to me.
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@Valor Viper he did what? broke whose hand? where tf is the reference pls
88 likesalso man if he just continued being cocky and arrogant would've been better for me lol
he basically told off all the gods and the community to git gud after mango reddited him lol
@Valor Viper Sounds like a made up story. If he actually did break your friends hands I'm sure he would have pressed chargers no ?
84 likesOh no I pissed off the fan boys
1 like@Valor Viper I mean not really I honestly know nothing about the smash community. A friend asked me to start playing it on the switch with him and I haven't played since Melee so I've been watching videos. I just think that if someone say's something like "He broke my friends hand so he couldn't compete" then that friend went and filed some sort of police report no ?
65 likes@Valor Viper oh no, shockingly he got nothin
44 likes@Nobody At All no I have a life
0 likes@Nobody At All you think I spend all my time commenting on youtube videos all day? lmao
0 likesGiven that the whole SSB community is toxic, it doesn't really matter what the legends do or have done. The legacy is already permanently tarnished by people who claimed power for themselves and abused it within the community.
24 likes@Kyle Picard if you only see things in big picture mode sure, I think this is less about the community and more about one man. One man out of thousands who decided to stick to it through all of the bad stuff and come out on top. Honestly who cares about the smash community as a whole?
6 likes@Valor Viper maybe his parents should feed him something other than soy and veggies
11 likesexaggeration
1 like@Valor Viper lol you responded with "I have a life", you're trolling or you need to see the sun more dude
23 likesWow...melee community really suck.
2 likes@Valor Viper wow, you really showed us other people in a YouTube comment section lol. Something tells me you would care a little more if he actually broke ur friend's hand? Either way, congrats on having a life, I know that's a difficult thing to do, keep living it and don't spend it hating someone you don't know ;)
6 likes@Apie Daus they do lol, at a certain point between beginner and Pro you find most melee players and discussions, which are basically just dick-measuring contests of how fast they can get arthritis lol
0 likes@Valor Viper damn bro u have a life too? Same im also alive 😂🤣
6 likes@Valor Viper imagine having a life 💀💀 crazy right?
1 like@Valor Viper i love the fact that they asked you for any sort of evidence but all you do is say "i have a life"
9 likes@Tudo no evidence is needed if you have a life apparently
2 likes@Valor Viper I before e mate, remember how to spell lol
0 likes@Valor Viper When you get exposed as a clown
0 likesBut you remember you can say they got mad and youre instantly right
°_>°
@Valor Viper actually you did wasted your life commenting in youtube
0 likesBut Mango is the one that put Puff on the map in the first ...
1 likeI live the fact that he defies the meta and works to overcome the meta. That's how a game stays vibrant, if top players don't give in to the meta and keep rocking their own thing it's much harder for a game to go completely stale.
0 likes@Valor Viper lmfaoooooooo ya boy couldn’t handle the forward smash
0 likes@Valor Viper Yeah?
0 likes@Otter Donnelly Mango dropped Puff early on in his career
0 likesHungrybox's whole career is defined by Puff
I love coming back to this video because it makes me laugh a little every time Emp talks about mang0 falling off
1 likeI have no idea why this got recommended to me and why I watched this whole but dang this video is amazing.
4 likesHow could people hate this guy? He stick to one character throughout his career when the meta was on Fox and Jigglypuff was not considered to be a champion worthy. What the F was that theory that Jigglypuff was so easy to use that no other is ranked with it because its boring and easy? No matter which game it is, toxicity will always be in the community.
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honestly being in the genshin impact community, some people care way more about being "the best" instead of having fun. meta is dumb as hell, enjoy the games you play.
0 likesI really respect Hbox's story, but I really respect CaptainCrunch helping a friend achieve his goals.
1 likeOne of these days I need to track down a smash bros tourney. I’ve always wanted to play in one. I’ll get my ass kicked for sure but id want to see exactly where I stand against other people
3 likesawesome storytelling..i watched the whole video and you kept me from changing to another topic..you are a great storyteller..respect.
0 likesI started this video like "eh I don't really care about Smash but this guy's vids are always good" and by the end I was like "this is the greatest sports documentary ever made"
1 likeHearing EMP say “Dr Pee Pee” had me laughing too hard
7 likes34:26 I love catching the one small error in every EmpLemon video, it really is a testament to how thorough Emp is if THIS is the biggest error in the video.
0 likes"If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we would find in them enough sorrow and suffering to disarm our hostility" - Henry Longfellow
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Lol, Longfellow
14 likes@Afro Llamma Thanks for the gateway to the amazing uploads
5 likesIronic that’s my history teacher’s last name
4 likesI made it 991 lol, get triggered
2 likesoMg I'm So TrIgGeReD
3 likesEmpathy matters
1 likeNo, we would understand their reasons but suffering and sorrow doesn’t justify actions. If you justify your actions with your pain you are no better than the people who hurt you and you deserve hostility at your direction.
1 likeSure, that is true in a general sense but that logic cannot be applied to Hbox. If you think about it, he isn't doing anything wrong, he's just playing a disliked character in a game. He has become an enemy to many for playing a certain character which isn't a justified reason to show hostility towards him in the first place
8 likesGod I get chills with this Intro of Super Smash Bros. N64 !! This was my childhood and our most beloved and competitve game we played as children. Thanks for this awesome historylesson about this incredible player!
0 likesWow, what a video. Documentary level quality man. Really enjoyed it.
0 likesThis was very interesting to learn about and I haven't play smash since early 2000's. Thanks EmpLemon and YouTube algorithm for showing me this.
0 likesHere I was thinking the most interesting part of the smash community was chair sniffing.
0 likesThis touching story has unironically gotten me really interested in the history and the scene. Thank you
I love how serious he sounds when he just says "Dr.PeePee" it makes it even more funny
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its like summoning salt saying, Mr. Bean
40 likesandreww07 more like him saying 420blazeit
3 likesDon’t forget peepee MD lol
11 likesProfessionals have standards.
5 likes@sneiji nah it's like when summoning salt said "erotic king bannana
3 likeseven the announcers
1 like@Genocide is fun sure kid. Sure. Please feel free to NOT reply to this one and don't call people what they just called you. How about just saying "no u" next time instead?
1 likeWhen I tell you I was rolling, I’m serious 😂
0 likesSo glad that this is THE most popular video for Emp by just a massive landslide
2 likesThis video started playing as I was getting ready for bed. So I just started to watch it to see what it was about. Now it's an hour and 30mins later and 2 in the morning haha. This has to be one of the best video game docs I've ever watched.
1 likeEmpLemon would be a great advertiser (besides sponsors). He makes me care about things I didn't before.
1 likeI don't even play anything and I enjoyed watching this a lot! Great work!
1 likethe crab mentality thing was literally the sickest thing ever
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dude right
22 likesIt's such a powerful roast, it feels like the Smash community was rested by Hbox's Puff.
96 likesas sick as cpt falcon?
7 likesMore sick than a fox player?
2 likes5Head
0 likesNo, it was bad
1 like@Jimathy Nutron No.
12 likesyou feeling it now?
1 likeDisgusting or cool???
1 likePlot twist: EmpLemon was the one who threw that crab, so that he could make an example in the future to defend hungrybox
7 likesit makes me think that the guy who threw it knew of it's symbolism
3 likesmaybe that's why it was a crab instead of a lobster or some other shit
Masai Crabs are a pretty big deal in Maryland, where the event took place. A possible interpretation would be “Maryland hates you.”
0 likesThat shit is just hilarious.
0 likesWatching this made me want to play Smash Bros for the first time. I found out that I'm the world's worst Smash Brothers player so I'm kind of like hungrybox except at the wrong end of the spectrum
0 likesI don’t know how anyone can call learning smash easy. I literally tried to practice with captain falcon to get better at him and it took me about an a hour to realize that the amount of time I would have to spend at actually getting good at just one character would be wayyy more than I wanted to put in. If other fighting game communities think it’s so easy then why don’t they just switch over and win a few tournaments. Shouldn’t be too hard right?
3 likesSometimes in order to win you have to learn how to lose is the most beautiful set of words ive heard in a very long time
2 likesThis really brings me back to my VGD teacher in HS. I remember the hours spent on Melee after school on a TV monitor that had woodfibre panneling, a gamecube situated next to an Atari 2600, Sega dreamcast, PS2, and a PS3. The hours spent playing falcon with friends, often times accomplishing little. I never was great but when I heard the game had a strong undercurrent fanbase despite it's age It didn't surprise me.
0 likesAlternative title: A man with a dream makes the entire internet salty because they aren't as good
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so true
14 likesTrue
7 likesTrue
5 likeslol true
3 likesIt sucks when everyone stops caring as soon as you start winning.
25 likes@monolyth421 That's... just wrong. There is no truth to that statement at all
4 likes@Azazel You weren't paying attention to the video, were you?
28 likes@That Spoony Bard puffs based on the other person makeing mistakes also he loses to leffen whenever leffen plays well
1 likeAgreed
0 likesAlt to an alt: Memelord supreme smashes the internet by his mere existence, then everyone hates him for it
2 likes@Dragon Brendan Yeah yeah, remind me, who holds the #1 title again?
0 likesI, Juan DeBiedma, have a dream...
3 likes@Dragon Brendan As a Leffen fan, this simply isn't true. Hbox has vastly more wins over Leffen overall, even when he's "playing well". Dont get me wrong, I'm a huge Leffen fan, he's in my top 3 with Axe and Mango, but he simply isnt better than Hbox overall.
5 likestrue
0 likesYou can't please everyone.
2 likesPerfect
1 like👌
0 likesHoly shit I just watched an hour and thirty minutes worth of the best super smash melee player of all time.
1 likeHungryBox's Story reminds me a lot of The Plot for Megamind. A Misunderstood Outsider that finally got what he wants after years and years of hardwork and battling against impossible odds then gets villianized for it just because he's different. But after someone saw what he truly was on the inside beneath the lies and the persona, they strived to reveal them to the world and community that once vilified and spited him, who hopefully overtime finally accepted their champion as a hero and not the villian he was never meant to be.
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One of the most underrated comments here, just watched Megamind as well so it was perfect timing but this was something really interesting to think about!
1 likeI love how in most sports, opponents will still respect each other and do fist bumps and stuff
1 likesomehow your videos are so good they make me tear up watching them.
0 likesi can’t believe i watched a full hour and 24 mins of a topic i had no knowledge about and absolutely loved it
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It’s actually crazy this video just appeared on my main YouTube page and I actually watched it
24 likesI usually have to click to different apps every 6 minutes of any video but I am glued to this
19 likesThat my friend is the power of the Internet
3 likessame
0 likesEmpLemon in a nutshell.
9 likesJust wait until you find the original super smash melee documentary. Impossible not to watch that 4 hour documentary less than 2 or 3 times, somehow lol
6 likesI will skip decent chunks of most videos that are 5 minutes long, yet I was pausing this to get food and rewinding it if I thought I'd missed something. Genuine congrats to the creators here. And hungry box who's apparently my new father-figure
4 likes@Derpaify this is genuinely an all-time-great yt video
3 likesRelateable
0 likes@Outerspace good storytelling does that I find it as amazing as you.
0 likesThe secret to all great sports documentaries is that they're not about the sport, they're about the drama of true competition and this had plenty of that.
1 likeSame here and in a point I get touch
1 likeHes good at that lol
1 likeWord.
0 likesSame bro
1 likehe did it again this time with nascar today.
1 likego watch it.
@HenrE Kester he’s done a few nascar ones before as well
0 likes@Zac Hausler-Rawle yea i noticed and watched them lol
0 likesthis got me into melee the second i finished it. been grinding ever since
0 likesIts become tradition for us smash players, both melee and ultimate, to re watch this video.
1 likeA great cheer for Hungry Box amazing achievements - the community makes and breaks itself, apportioning reasons is a loser habit.
0 likesIt's incredible to me how he was hated. He was an underdog. I would've been rooting for him.
0 likesEpic video, I enjoyed every second, subscribed now.
0 likes"After the rise of the fifth God, Doctor PeePee" absolutely killed me
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Same bro
20 likesI lost it when he said doctor peepee had to drop out due to health issues
97 likesAs soon as I saw his name as the fifth god, I waited to see if the narrator would say it... then I laughed like an idiot for a solid 30 seconds!
19 likes@Nathriel For you, it was the highlight of the week, but for me, it was Tuesday.
3 likesI wept tear of joy hearing that part LOL
1 likeWinning a loser's bracket doesn't sound so exciting tbh, but I mean hell, that dude is a Smash God. I once went to a tournament here in Finland and only won two games, it was hard as hell so I understand how much skills it needs for you to be on top..
2 likesPS. I atleast won an NHL 19 tournament in my hometown, got an invite to a bigger tournament but declined because my good friend was gonna be there and he is just a little better than me, plus he has won top 10 players several times. I don't know why I told this, maybe I got excited about gaming.. 😂
Interesting to see regular people v Melee fans react to this video.
3 likesI respect anyone who puts this much time into any game, annoying character or not. It takes skill and determination to reach the top.
0 likesWhenever in doubt or you're sad, just tune into EmpLemon.
0 likesHungryBox quitting his job is the equivalent of Goku taking off the weights.
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"This must be over a 100 kilos!"
74 likesNot the weights, the weighted clothing.
40 likesOr rock lee
43 likesMan chill some of us haven’t played melee but the story behinds hungry box is interesting and amusing I am sorry if I sounded rude but well this is just a feel good video to spend time and chill
61 likes@TigerRace why hate someone for playing a game lol it isnt some weeb ass dating sim
51 likesOr ZeRo's existance
1 likeor rock lee
2 likesTigerRace when the next smash game comes out ultimate fans will move onto it. Melee fans will still be playing melee. If your game is so good, why doesn’t it have staying power? It’s because smash 4, ultimate, brawl, they are much simpler. Melee’s engine provides far greater freedom than any other in the series. I bet you can’t even wavedash.
22 likes@TigerRace chill, let the people love what they love.
14 likes@TigerRace Git gud scrub.
7 likes@TigerRace 😂😂
3 likes@J H wavedashing isn't even hard , '.' wavedashing perfectly is just stupidly precise , your reply was fine other than that but trying to belittle others only shows a lack of quality.
4 likes@EVAN CHAPAS LMAOOOOO IM DEAD
2 likesOh Shit
3 likesEVAN CHAPAS
4 likesDude,you killed him
More like when Lee for Naruto took of his weights
0 likes@TigerRace lol. Naisu b8, m8!
0 likesNo!
@EVAN CHAPAS LMFAO "your mom chose you over crack" I'm fucking dying, I wish this was Reddit so someone could give you flashy awards
0 likesHe never had any weights from the beginning, considering how easy puff is to play. When he quit his job was the equivalent of him driving a boat in a swimming contest
0 likes@UT Jason no one else wants to play such a boring character
0 likes@UT Jason are you saying people are willing to waste their lives by playing the most boring character to play in that game? That doesn't make any sense
0 likes@J H chill
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron people play to win they just cant take the hate they are too weak
0 likesEasily one of my favorite videos on the entirety of youtube
1 likeI just can;t understand why he's so hated apparently. He's one of the best and funniest smash players out there.
0 likesAs someone who knew nothing about Melee's competitive story nor any of the competitors, I enjoyed this video very much.
0 likesme at the start: oh no, hour and a half video :(
1 likeme 5 minutes in: oh boy, there's still over an hour of this left to enjoy!
That crab mentality portion was a masterpiece in itself
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@Dirk fucken hilarious "red sus" lmao
49 likesFucking Yusuke over here
4 likes@Dirk stop
21 likesMhm
0 likes@A1 Helix ikr hahahahahahahhahahahaj
0 likesAre you 7
0 likes@Dirk Bro you have won the funny award your comment is so funny I can't stop laughing red sus is the most original funny thing I've ever heard in my life again your comment is so amazing because the joke is so new and wasnt used to the point where I gag seeing a comment like this.
14 likes@Dirk funniest shit i've ever seen
1 like@Dirk mad funny bro
1 like@Dirk lol so funny dude just keep commenting this exact same thing this is like going to be funny like forever like for real
0 likesSus
0 likes@Khloe and Kam’s gatcha and yo-yo girls show OH MY GOD
1 like@Celestial Gatekeeper 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 so funny!!!!1!1!1!!!!!!!1
1 like@Zamboni Kazonei Mister comedy entered chat
0 likesrEd SuS haha funni get it among us reference reddit wholesome 100 keanu moment
0 likes@Dirk lol it amog us veri funi
0 likes@Dirk king of comedy right here folks
0 likesis the crab mentality why he doesn't help any other players practice? i have no skin in the game but that seemed to be a big issue that this documentary spent less than 10 seconds on
0 likesFind it kinda ironic that They used a actual crab to perform crab mentality
0 likes@Official Storage He does play friendlies, just not with top players. Because puff only really has one playstyle, her mixups are that much more important, so he really can’t afford to let other players try and discover habits of his. There aren’t a lot of top players who play puff, so why would he want to divulge trade secrets to people trying to beat him?
0 likes@Dr Creed Ah okay. I wonder if there would be more pro puff players if he didn't guard his secrets so carefully
0 likes@Official Storage tbh its kind of a catch-22. Puff isn’t exactly the most “fun” to play when compared to other characters, so really only people who play to win rather than play for fun choose her. Even then, like the video states, the most popular (and one of the most fun) characters is Puff’s worst MU, so you’ll lose a lot starting out.
0 likesThe combination of only people who “play to win” playing her, and everyone else destroying you when you DO play her, means that only really, really, really dedicated players (with a bit of a chip on their shoulder towards other characters) stick with her to top level. And thus, The Box.
@Dr Creed dude so many of his high tier matches are recorded, anyone can find hbox's "secrets". A decade ago people were saying the shine meta was only for players who wanted to win. I think you're missing the point of life that hbox embodies, do what you want and if you want it enough you'll get it.
0 likes@Dylan Capper last name applicable
0 likesHere's what I see: I've always heard the Melee community was toxic, hateful, and super conservative... they'll complain about the appearance of and absence of the same thing. And they idolize a very specific set of criteria without realizing that... that doesn't make the thing better, it makes it different.
17 likesAnd if this video has shown me anything, it's that that community is so openly hostile to everyone around them, they're like a bunch of children with their arms crossed looking to be cool and conform to this idea that, if you're not like them it's okay to kick you. The lack of empathy for human beings that people have to capacity for is incredible. HBox is the best player, and yet the community that he held up high in a big, visible way hated him. Hated him to the point of not saying "I hate HBox as a player" but attacking him as a person. Just... just WOW people. Empathy and compassion aren't weaknesses. They aren't things that make you someone to be stepped on. Show some empathy for another human.
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You're right, but thankfully the community has become much more accepting and open. Mang0 himself as a person has improved drastically as has Hungrybox and everyone else. The only volatile person who is still idolized is, arguably, Leffen and even then his grip on the community has lessened as he has become involved in other games much more. Hungrybox and Mang0 are both still the top personalities of Melee though
2 likesReading through the comment section as a melee viewer is hilarious. All these people were cracking up when emp brought up Dr. Pee Pee (PPMD)'s name. When I watched it, it didn't faze me; I am totally desensitized to the absurdity of the melee community.
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It's just insane how much this video broke through with the algorithm. Who knew a melee vid could have such a far reach to even people who don't play nintendo games?
4 likesIncredible video, well done!
0 likesThere's a small part of me that wishes dark souls 2 had gotten this sort of love, as melee did.
4 likesit was rushed, butchered, and the combat mechanics had some funny unintended combat techs that made it so much fun to play.
sadly, everyone rags on it. Sorry- just had to vent a little, little chance of someone seeing this anyways haha
Ah, yes...
2067 likesThe player
who doesn’t fit into the community
of a game that doesn’t fit into its series
which doesn’t fit into any established competitive game genre
The ultimate outcast, and the most handsome villain
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Hero*
47 likes@Bob Reed People villify him cause he doesnt play the community sponsored character pool. He isnt a villain of the community, all he's done is reveal how toxic and un-interested in change the community is.
120 likes@Bob Reed Ironic.
39 likesBob Reed people’s personal hero’s are different, don’t judge
2 likes@Bob Reed you literally just proved the video's point. people don't like hbox because he proved that melee isn't a fast-paced combo fighter, it's a fucking party game.
88 likes@Bob Reed His bad for playing optimally, I guess? Most people I see who dislike him just hate how puff plays and hate that they dont get to see the usual cancer fox laser camping.
35 likes@Bob Reed Yikes dude, a lot of deflection going on.
13 likes1. You can have role models of any kind. No need to be super condescending.
2. When I called him a hero it was literally within the context of the OP specifically using the phrase 'villain' I frankly dont think about Hbox more than maybe once or twice a month when I tune into a Melee tourny.
3. Whats this about 10 year olds? We can all be adults here if you're willing :)
@Bob Reed Ey yo I be real here and say you got some issues. First off, the idea that a personal hero shouldn't be "some dude playing videogames" at this point is barely even a concept. back when I was growing up, even the idea of making games or wanting to be an animator was laughed off like you should think of a real job. I got punched for having a mario backpack back in the mid 90s, and frankly the pain doesn't hurt nearly as bad as being told that what you believe in is bullshit.
6 likesAnd you know what? I'm more than fine with people idolizing someone willing to push their limits to learn a game like this. it's more than I will ever be able to do because I just don't have that kind of mental reaction time. but atleast I'm getting where I want to be as an artist, and i'll keep pushing forward because I still wanna be the best artist that I can personally be, even if I don't necessarily have a rival. It's literally no different, and it's no less valid a cause in the grand scheme of things.
Also, calling people 10 years old was lame FIFTEEN years ago, what makes you think it's a clever comeback now?
I feel bad for HungryBox because he just wanted to feel like he belonged somewhere.
15 likesThe smash community is really toxic and down right cruel. I like to play Smash and I am a blue Kirby main but I don't like to play competitively especially after witnessing how mean a lot of competitive players are. I would rather play for fun with my friends.
The crab man
0 likesJust like that one person in school
0 likes@Bob Reed yikes. You proved a lot of points there but none of them were yours lol
4 likes@Chubana people have different opinions don't judge
2 likes@Gore Obsessed but people will judge because of those opinions sadly
0 likes@Buff Barney well yeah that's why you remind them that it makes them and the community look bad we have to have standards
1 likeSo, he's unconventional to the cubed power. Almost like a box
1 like@Shad wonder if said box is hungry
0 likes@Shad
0 likesYou have no idea how proud I am of this reply.
Brian Geer and he is playing the outcast fighter
0 likes@Mary Moon The only place where we truly belong with is with ourselves
0 likesHe’s handsome AF
0 likesDio?
0 likesWithin a subculture that does not fit into society
0 likesBob Reed I like how you told someone sorry then proceeded to blast someone because they can write long paragraphs. You did the same thing.
0 likes@Bob Reed so passive aggresive lol, everything alright in home bud?
0 likes@Bob Reed daaaamn the sass
0 likesmy name jeff ecks dee.....
0 likes@Bob Reed lol its okay man just chill before commenting, you dont have to be an ass online. good luck with your study
1 likestop calling him a villain
1 like@Bob Reed you're kinda cringe my guy
1 likeBob Reed I’m sorry. Not part of the community? All this and your opinion isn’t even from someone who cares about the community?
0 likesEverything I rewatch this masterpiece it gets better and better.
0 likesBeen playing smash since the beginning and have always played off meta characters because the wins just feel more rewarding. The goofier the character, the more fun they are to play in my book. I don’t win the most but always have a ton of fun. Mad respect to HBox, he conquered the best players in the world while they played crutch meta picks and was hated for it. What a bad ass!
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I wouldn’t exactly say Puff is “off-meta” considering she’s one of the few S Tiers in Melee
0 likes@Doombringer I would. Because although she may be there today, she wasn’t always s tier, we have to give hbox credit for showing us the greatness of the pink puffball! She is only B tier at best in the hands of a normal casual player like me.
0 likesThe original super smash bro’s intro still gives me chills
0 likesAs someone who knew nothing about this game before this video, i think he’s the protagonist lmfao
3 likesThis:
1996 likesSaw how long the video was: I'll checkout the first 10min.
1hr and 24min later: Damn that was a good watch.
And this:
I almost feel guilty for watching a documentary this good for free. Amazing job emp & mad respect to hbox.
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Same didn’t think I was going stay the whole time but wow
9 likesI'm sure he has a patreon if you want to donate?
10 likesI started watching this video just to have background noise while I went to sleep but ended up watching the entirety of it because of how interesting it was
3 likeshaha samee
4 likesYeah I definitely didn't think I'd be here an hour and a half later. I figured I'd get partway thru and quit. I haven't even played Smash really since original.
1 like@Tricky Trey Perfected Thought the same about the smash documentary feeling bad to get something like that for free.
0 likesI was just about to say almost exactly what did
0 likesMan you should have watched the smash documentary that was referenced in this video. It is 4 hours long haha
0 likessame wow, what a freaking documentary and player. insane!!
0 likesi even notice that has passed so much time, gez and i even has enthusiasm to watch movies this days, so good work emp
0 likesi did the exactly same thing
0 likesThis wasn't even a good video, it was bad overall
0 likesthis mans entire life can be a movie and i would legit pay to see it.
1 likeWhat a beautiful love letter ❤️ Hbox is a true legend
0 likesthe tournament is proof that sometimes ppl deserve a second chance. him beeing able to win every single game after his first lose. thats awesome
0 likesThis was a surprisingly inspirational video 🤯
0 likesImagine what this guy could do with a Wigglytuff.
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Yeah but imagine how much more inspiring the journey could’ve been with an Igglybuff.
134 likesMake that Wigglytuff the best Guildmaster the world has ever seen, probably
33 likes@Toge Chicku (Treasure Town intensifies)
7 likes@Toge Chicku oh god no the memories
2 likesHeavies suck in smash.
1 like@Anna Rexic this was a joke you realize
3 likes@K Well ur joke
3 likes@Anna Rexic yes, a very funny one, but you still haven't confirmed whether or not you realized your comment was embarrassing
2 likes@Anna Rexic Your mom
1 likeEVIOLITE JIGGLYPUFF
6 likeswe don't talk about that
0 likesDont give him ideas, hes already op
0 likesI will tell you a joke but it will be told through your two other comments on this channel, be prepared.
2 likes@PrettyBoyReignIm ready,
0 likes@Russell you dont have two other comments
0 likes@PrettyBoyReign well I can try to supply them myself?
0 likesi have never laghed so hard at a comment
0 likesNo one man should have all that power.
0 likesIt's big brain time.
0 likesthe next smash will have bidoof and shuckle. 5 gods help us.
0 likesGoddamn, this video moved me to tears. I don't even know why it started playing but boy am I grateful I chose not to switch it
1 likeIn his time there was 4 others like him, now there’s just Juan
1 likeHats off, I'm just bawling out here, god damn it.
2 likesI have never had any interest in competitive gaming and never really in Smash either, but somehow I was thoroughly interested and entertained for 1.5 hours by this video. I don't know how you did it but it was good
0 likes"Hopefully one day, Melee will learn to appreciate Hungrybox while they still can, because there will never ever be another player like him"
952 likesThis documentary may be the reason they will. Thank you, emp.
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Hopefully one day, someone will main Ganondorf and reach top 10
5 likesI wanted to get into Melee once, I looked up to Hungrybox. When I started getting into the community and saw how he was treated and I just left, I'm not bring a part of a community like that
8 likes@Jonathon Shealy probably should avoid every esport with that mentality
4 likes@WØRLD I've been in the competitive pokemon community for a while, the worst part of it for me was the whole National Dex thing
2 likesThis episode hits different after watching your latest video as of writing this
3 likesI didn't even know about Smash Melee nor any other player there (random vid I clicked for solely that 'Puff thumbnail). But this was genuinely one of the most inspirational stories I've ever heard. Cheers to ytube algorithm for this one lol, great vid Emp :)
2 likesImagine being that 14 year old and you now have the story of the time you at 14 beat the best smash player
0 likesI can't be the only one who giggled when he started talkin' about Dr. PeePee
5 likeshungrybox: exists
1672 likesthe melee community: and i took that personally
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True
14 likesThat’s sad
26 likesBro, he went from based to MUI Goku in the first tournament
7 likesUnderrated comment
1 like@C S that's overselling it, I mean, they're an incredibly passionate community, which is why they don't like hungrybox, they're incredibly passionate about what they think melee is, the only player I actively dislike is Leffen, mainly because he seems so full of himself, but even then he's still incredible at the game
6 likes@LONK BONK SKONK nah the melee community is a bunch of HOF menace to society type of people and you probably one of them
5 likesu have to be a little kid, no one hates him he just constantly clowns himself
0 likes@C S yeah but this video shows a lot of the worst in the community and doesn't show any of the good because that's not the focus in this video. You can't generalize the entire community because of people being mean to hbox
0 likes@C S No, not neckbeards, pedophiles. Get it right, man.
0 likesP.S. Yes, this is a joke on the great smash contraversy. I feel like it's far enough in the past to look for it, joke about it and move on.
I mean, he mains jigglypuff..imagine getting destroyed by someone who's character isn't' even in the top five
0 likes@Ray Allen are you being ironic?
2 likes@Hypersnake hell no
0 likes@Ray Allen then why are you watching this
1 like@Ray Allen not to be mean buddy, but there is better things to look for rather then being offended. Trust me even though I haven’t tried it, I can assure you it’s not very fulfilling. Try to look for something you like mate. Other then that have a nice day. :)
4 likes@Tom Wanders you seem offended lol
0 likes@Ray Allen What makes you think that? From my perspektive I think there is no anger or negative feeling behind what I wrote there. It was more of a giving advise. You of course dont have to follow my advise or anything I say what so ever. I just dont think that "talking shit" as you put it, is very fulfilling in the long run.
1 like@Tom Wanders still mad and typing LOL
0 likes@Vicente Geonix no
0 likesu
@Hypersnake is true.
0 likesThis is so sad for hbox :( seriously the hero of the game and of his personal life. He's a hero
0 likes44:03 my favorite moment
0 likesyou're an inspiration hbox. <3
0 likesGod I NEED more 1h+ long Melee era content
1 likeI love all of those serious gamer names and then just Dr. PeePee
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Ikr
24 likesCareful, hes a god, he can see anything
93 likesI agree
3 likesWang Wanggington
3 likesMew2King, Mang0, and Hungrybox aren't serious gamer names either, really. Armada is the only God with a serious name. Keep in mind, this is coming from someone who's favorite smash player is M2K.
55 likes@typhlosion787 bruh
4 likesI mean “hungry box” a box with sensation of hunger
10 likesMew2King, Hungrybox, Mang0 are some real fucking serious names
10 likesNot saying they are bad or something but those aren't SERIOUS names
@Lucas B okay Fortnite fan LOL
2 likes@Rick The Puff my account is a troll lmfao
8 likesPeePee destruction.
2 likes@Lucas B Hot take: The better you are at a game, the less serious your name can be... for the most part.
4 likesAcai, SummoningSalt, Elegant, HBox, Plup, Wobbles, PPMD, SonicFox, just to name a few.
I wonder if he had ever used "PPhD" as a handle
1 like@I Have A Plan. I Just Need Money. He goes by PPMD currently
3 likesLmao
0 likesWhat's next PP poo poo
0 likesThe only great player name
0 likesIdk if hungry box and mango are serious but yeah
0 likesHungrybox is a cool name lol
0 likesMaybe he's a urologist by night
0 likesAbsent Coder Summoning Salt got his username from a slip of the tongue from Ashens, making it better
0 likesthis is probably my 6th time rewatching this video, and i still watch it all the way through because its so interesting
0 likesMike Tyson had a combo. Hook followed by an upper cut. And it was powerful. He would drill this combo over and over. Any time they filmed him he would throw it. It was a combo any other fighter could use, they just couldn't do it as good.
3 likesTyson also used peekaboo defence. He would dip in and out of the way of the other punches. He kept a high guard absorbing any blows that came his way.
Nothing he did was a secret. And nothing he did was special. He wasn't even a big heavy weight. That's what made him so intimidating. He laid it all on the table and said if you want what I have come take it. You know where I'll be.
That's the same thing hbox is doing to mele. Just like Tyson some one will come along and beat him. But for now hbox is king to an ungrateful people. When his run is over people will look back & reflect on it. That's when everyone will realize what they were seeing. That's when they will be able to appreciate the amount of work an artist put into their craft
I never thought i would cry at a smash melee video, but here I am
1 likeit's weird to say, but this video actually made my cry, because it reminded me of my own life. at school i barely have any friends and i don't fit in at all, some of my classmates even try to avoid me. two kids in my maths class try to actively annoy and harass me, while i am trying my best to understand the subject, their little dumb asses are sitting there, destroying their brain cells while scrolling through TikTok.
2 likesbut the one thing that always makes me happy, and makes sure that none of the incredibly evil things that i want to do, i actually do, is animation. i love animating so much that i animate in my free time, when i am supposed to be sleeping, when my mom drives me to school, especially since i animate on my phone and use an animation software that people call "terrible" (it's FlipaClip). even though it's very frustrating at times, it's incredibly rewarding and all the praise and appreciation i get for my animations always just make me smile
“In his time there was 4 others like him, now, there’s just Juan”
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look of absolute disgust
33 likesslowly slides over upvote
except mang0 is literally still running strong????
11 likesJarrot I was quoting him, idk the time stamp
1 like@Andrew Burgess 1:04:56
2 likesMonark Roy r/foundthereddituser
5 likes@Jarrot He's still strong, but he's just not on the same comparative level that he was before, and leffen outranks him now, with plup, axe, wizzrobe, etc. catching up. he hasn't declined as far as mew2king, but he's very far from dominant. The video is claiming that Hbox is the last of the 5 gods who still truly holds the title.
10 likes@Winson Zhu Mang0 literally beat Leffen in Winners Finals at Genesis 7 super cleanly, and yeah, Hbox definitely out performs him recently but each game is definitely getting closer and closer
3 likes@Jarrot I think the video was just trying to say that Mang0 just isn't really a "god" in the same capacity as Hbox anymore. He's still hella good tho.
2 likes@Winson Zhu Yeah, and it's honestly a pretty awful take. I mean despite Hbox's three straight years of number one ranking, Mango still has a positive H2H on him. Why? Because up through 2014, Mango was 22-5 on him (2 of those losses were sandbagging). Is Hbox better than Mango now? Absolutely. But the relative gap is imo about the same compared to earlier in their careers when Mango was better. So I can't say it's really justified for the claim to be made that Mango isn't a "god" now when Hbox was called a "god" back then
4 likesThe point with mango is not that he isn't currently good, his performance is just too inconsistent at this point to really be considered a God
2 likesOne
0 likesbro what are y’all on about mango is literally number 3 in the world (probably should’ve been 2nd) and won big house like 3 months ago. this isn’t even the worst he’s ever been
2 likesWinson Zhu I agree he’s not as good but imo he hasn’t declined enough to lose his god status especially when you look at his recent results
0 likes@Winson Zhu M2K has won more recently than Mango has just saying.
0 likesJuan Montoya
0 likes@Dylan Feetz Muir No he hasn't
2 likesObviously He’s number Juan
0 likesDylan Muir you’re literally just wrong
2 likesWhat about mango and m2k? Just shows how bad this video is
0 likesThat Intro Was Gold, Great Job Man
0 likesGod damn, that was well done.
0 likesKnow your not a melee YouTube but I'd love to see more of these about the other gods or zain.
0 likesI can’t imagine going to work as an engineer then going on to an arena and winning a tournament. Then getting up the next morning to work.
1 likeThis video completely changed my view of Hbox, even though I never had anything against him. Always respected him as a player, but you're right he represents something less tangible but no less valuable about Melee; it's unlikely position as a top competitor. Also, amazing job on the editing and narrative structure of the video.
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Lol its Glink, not surprised tho to see you here
13 likesHungrybox I consider a person with no regrets, which I like.
4 likeshow would you hold something against someone who once had a live crab thrown at him
0 likes@Soris Trufas and here's your medal for giving into that attention and being the exact reason as to why trolls still continue on the internet. bc people like you refuse to just shut tf up and let the troll wear itself out. by giving into the temptation of replying, you give them a reaction, regardless of the intention. sometimes, less is more. <3
5 likes🥇 wear it with pride, brother. its likely the only ''prideful'' thing youve ever earned in life
You are correct, the editing and narrative structure of this video is excellent. Truly astounding.
0 likes@asia Here have this medal for your medal giving for thinking trolls care if someone replies to them. Like that'll stop them or something if someone doesn't reply to em. Genius, probably the only medal for intelligent comments you'll get!
1 like@Neiasaurus Creations thanks for the medal, kind stranger
0 likesPOV: You're already one of the best of the best. With a full time job...
1 likeHere's a <3 for Hungrybox. You deserve it.
0 likesi was jumping in out of my chair on this video. kudos to Emperor lemon for makin gthis monumental video/documentary. and Hungrybox, jesus christ that is sick
0 likesI never knew Hbox got all this hate. I have never really been "into" the competitive scene, but as a casual Smash fan for decades now, I was peripherally aware of the gods and the melee scene and so forth. I always loved Hungrybox. It helps that Puff is one of my favorites, and the fact that he sticks with a character so cute always endeared him to me. I never really realized he was considered a heel.
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If you watched him plank into 4 edgegaurds for an hour then you get why
0 likes@Corey Golphenee Why would I do that though? Like if a match is boring me I'll just turn it off? I've seen Hbox pull some really baller plays, and yeah sometimes those involve stalling, but like... Idk I just kinda don't like watching full games of smash anyway? Clips and highlights and doc style videos are great, but I don't really have the attention span to watch people play a game that I own and could just play myself, y'know? The way I play is more fun anyway, I find most competitive smash pretty boring cause they play on boring stages, use a bunch of the same characters, and don't use items. It's smash without all the stuff that makes it fun for me, so it's never really been my thing. But like point remains, if it's boring you, why not turn it off?
0 likes@sterlingdragon123 its because before he started planking him versus fox was argubly the swingiest most fun wild while having the highest level neutral of any matchup in the game imo. I watched because melee has higher level spacing and combo trees then all but a few fighting games and him starting to plank was kind of proof that the game that felt super limitless in terms of depth was becoming solved at the highest levels, and really the popularity of it started to wane after that
0 likesThrowing a crab at someone is actually the most Maryland thing ever
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You took the words right out of my mouth
15 likesIf the crab is still edible at that point, is it really a bad thing.
22 likes@Some randomnEss Poo if its edible someone would've probably ate it right away it was thrown
4 likesGod damn right. Don’t forget the Old Bay
12 likesTHIS, FUCKING.... THIS. THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN I SAW IT
5 likes@Rafelandroid2 Around 2013 or 2014 not quite sure when, a guy in a soccer match (Barcelona vs Villareal) threw a banana at a brazilian player in a supossedly act of racism, Dani Alves (the player) proceeded to pick it up and bite it and continue with his corner kick, that was cool but not sure Hungrybox could've done that with a raw crab
14 likesIt wasnt raw either that was clearly steamed. Maybe with a bit of old bay. He looked hungry
1 likeI used to live in Maryland until they found out I don't like Crabs. I live in Virginia now.
11 likesIm not from Maryland. I have no idea why throwing a crab is the most Maryland thing ever. But i did a spit take laugh anyway when i read it
3 likesWhen I tell you, I WHEEZED
0 likeswas annoyed when he kept calling it raw
0 likesI'm still so confused why this event took place in fucking LAUREL 😆
2 likesIt really is, speaking as a resident.
0 likes@SCINTILLAM DEI wut
0 likesIt's a tie between throwing a crab at someone vs. parking in a traffic lane with your blinkers on.
2 likes@Chosen Disciple: Maine would be throwing either a lobster or a beaver.
0 likesThis is so well-done & riveting. I made my roommates watch with me and we were all glued. Does anyone have more recs for FGC stuff that goes in depth like this?
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if you liked stuff about melee this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMdDKfFHE1U, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw8rz0_r6fc, and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR_IqTudg4k are all great stories
2 likes@Liam McKenna exactly what i was looking for, tysm
1 like@veegetable If you want to get more into melee, watch "AsumSaus" he goes into depth about the mechanics of the game.
2 likesYo this document got me into melee and love it thank you man
1 likeAbsolute masterpiece.
0 likesI didn't think I would get so many goosebumps in this sort of video
1 likeMango: Get off Reddit and go practice.
5407 likesHungrybox: Becomes the best player in the world
Mango: Shocked Pikachu face
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Lol
14 likesshocked Fox face
124 likesLeffen: no no no :,,,((((( grrrrr
42 likessad to see Hbox continuously falling off over the past year, he fr needs to put down Ult for a solid minute if he wants to bounce back
11 likes@Jared Vargas Fuck that, its called growth and development. Ultimate is the first smash worth playing since melee, so there he is.
136 likesWild Ironguy bruh it’s not growth if his ult content is primarily casual and his melee skills have been declining for a year and a half. He keeps saying he wants to be strong at melee again but it’s just not happening unless he really zones in again
28 likesMang0 becomes humbled and becomes PGstats Number 1 player of 2021
6 likes@Wild Ironguy I don't think Ultimate is that big an improvement over Smash 4's mechanics tbh. You pull off the same combos and make mostly the same decisions, except ultimate has directional aerial dodging.
7 likes@Tjerty i played smash 3DS, smash wii u and smash ultimate an insane amount each and damn ultimate feels a lot better than smash 4. Tighter movement, better combo’s, more characters and, something that personally bugged me in smash 4, when someone gets knocked back, they actually move normally and not just slowly floats offscreen
14 likesAnd now hbox Is far from the best again lol
0 likes@Eian k he might as well retire, he has nothing left to prove
3 likesHungrybox: You ask and you shall receive
1 like@Tjerty ult is worse than 4
1 like@Wild Ironguy Too bad he sucks at Ult and blames the Opponents for being campy while being the campiest Player oat himself
3 likesNot anymore
0 likesand now he sucks OMEGALUL
0 likes@Jared Vargas Yo he's been bouncing back, he's making grands at majors again, just needs a bit of bracket luck I think to win one again, or needs to figure out Zain.
1 like@SleepyBoi he still makes more money playing the game than you ever will in a life time of sweating and laboring away so.... Who sucks again? 😳
6 likes@Jared Vargas He's still top 5. Been getting top 3 in top tournaments lately
0 likes@SleepyBoi Bruh, he's got top 5 in all but one of every major tournament for the past year, and many of those he's gotten top 3
1 likeLol wdym
@Tjerty Every game after Melee was an improvement over Melee. It's just a matter of preference.
1 like@Carcinogen Otter and? I'm not even talking about melee.
0 likes@Tjerty I know, I was just making a comparison.
0 likes@Owen never has an opinion been so wrong
0 likes@Lorenzo Vega the game blows, shameless copy of 4 except the movement is even worse
0 likesI wish more YouTubers took audio mixing more seriously
2 likesI have certainly gained respect for hungrybox. Excellent video.
0 likesId love to know more about the kid who bearKen in a local tournament cuz he was bored on vacation. That kids base must be in another base, holy hell(no illwill to either one but holy shit.)
2 likesI play Sora in ultimate and people say the same thing about him. Floaty and defensive. Esam's cameos on alpharad's channel got me into competitive smash, and hungrybox keeps me going. Remember "just because its different, doesn't mean its easy. Winning a tourney is hard with any character."
1 likeMango: “Come up and get me”
2808 likesHungrybox: “ok”
Mango:
You weren’t supposed to do that
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Lol
5 likesRelatable
3 likesWhy did that guy have a crab
29 likes@Sludgebob who doesn't have a random crab in their pockets at all times?
32 likes"Wait. That's illegal."
1 likeGOAT COMMENT
0 likesMaybe the guy was kind of a fan? I mean, why throw a symbol for not letting one escape at him, if you could throw a rock? Or the guy was just drunk. That's probably it.
3 likesHow the fuck did i get 2.6k likes via a meme
0 likes1:10:05 - Missed opportunity to put in the quote from Green Goblin, "The one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail".
4 likespossibly my fav video on this entire freaking platform; get emp to 1 mil
0 likesthe idea of “20FF” around 1:05:00 and onward is technically happening now except instead of puff vs puff its puff vs peach stallfest
1 likei never looked at the melee community and once I saw this video became so satisfied how one person that had everything come down on him and say that he's not good enough became the best in the world and taught others to not give up and even if everyone doesn't appreciate them they still keep on trying and trying. It really shows how dedication, hard work, and years of practice can prove those people wrong and show how you are good enough and you can be one of the best too. Amazing video, I also found one of the songs I was looking for in your music list too.
0 likes“The Rise of the fifth god: Dr. PeePee”
2954 likesI swear, I could not stop laughing at that moment 😂
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When he said PeePee MD I lost it
94 likesI wonder how many times did this man recorded this so he could say it without laughing
64 likesThere is a five year old inside all of us
54 likes[proceeds to say "PP" as much as possible throughout this section of the video]
22 likesAndre We put respect on the name of the doctor
23 likesthat being said one of my favorites to watch
4 likes@JTF hopefully he will come back
2 likesAndre Peepee poopoo
1 likeat this moment I realized I am still 4 years old
8 likes...
0 likesit just sounds so serious
2 likesJoyers are cringe
0 likesOmfg whhyyy de peeped, stop just stop ahhahahaaa, cmon! All seriousness just went right out the window!
0 likesBrian Torres he retired because he had a problem with his heart. Too much adrenaline I think can hurt his heart. I think it’s impossible for him to come back
2 likesKohen Coffey NOT MY FORESKIN
2 likes@Generic Name ewwww
0 likes@Edi that's why xanax exist
1 likewell good news. his news seems to be better
0 likesRISE
0 likes50:42 playing cm punks theme song right after that gave me chills
3 likesyeas but can we all agree that armada is the most handsome human to ever live
2 likesDude I kept seeing this in my recommended for the past year and decided to bite. Thank you so much for the effort and data you put into this.
0 likesThis is so well done
0 likesImagine if the guy throwing the crab was trying to hit mango instead
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plot twist
184 likes@OreoCream Cake lol, would be fucking HUGE Plot Twist
167 likesthat would've been an alternative universe's arc for mango rising from the bottom
149 likes@TheBreadGuy this tournament win was somewhat quite recent so it wouldnt make a difference in the past
3 likesPog
3 likesNow-a days where nintendo shut down Slippi, a nintendo employee could've thrown it
19 likesThat would be funny
2 likesWhere'd he even get a crab tho?
7 likesThe crab store duh
41 likesMy mango is to blow up
6 likeswe would had a mango video
2 likesbruh lmao
1 like@Fyrix yea he would be saying BUY 50 SWITCHES AND NEWER SMASH!! GIVE MUNEY!!!
1 likeThat would be the best plot twist yet during HungryBox's journey.
1 likeIf was then he’s pretty bad at throwing things
1 likethen the doc would be about mango since ppl only like box after the crab
0 likesHe probably never played an fps game then
0 likesDed
0 likes@Kole E even more proof for him being drunk!
0 likesOr, what if he threw the crab just to throw the crab up there lol either way, I feel bad for hungrybox, you can definitely see his love and passion for the game
2 likesthe good ending
0 likesStill not forgivable, it a lot less worst then if he intended hungrybox, which he did intend hungrybox.
1 like@Fyrix They didn't shut down Slippi, they shut down a tournament that used Slippi
0 likesThat would be even more cruel, it would break my heart...
0 likes@edgygothboy 666 Yo????
0 likes@GWOT Kid sea food restaurant, lol where else?
1 likeOK TIME FOR A NEW BIG BANG
0 likesEveryone can be angry at that guy, but he is kind, like, he throw a crab at hungrybox because duh "hungry" box, he was only trying to give the winner a good meal
0 likes@shitass fair point but WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU THROW A RAW-CRAB WITHOUT ANY SALT EVERYONE KNOWS RAW CRABS ARE BETTER WITH SALT
1 like@BULLAH BOI BECAUSE A HUNGRYBOX IS HUNGRY, IT DOESNT MATTER IF ITS RAW OR NOT FOOD IS FOOD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
0 likes@shitass IT DOESNT MATTER IF ITS RAW OR NOT YOU NEED SALT ON CRABS THATS COMMON SENSE IF HE CAN SNEAK A RAW CRAB IN THERE HE COULD PUT SALT ON IT AND IT WOULD MAKE BARELY A DIFFERENCE
1 likeThis was beautiful. Thank you.
0 likesAmazing. Thank y'all. Hbox forever.
0 likesYour documentaries are great. Never seen any of your vids before, but you got me. Subbed.
0 likesVillain.. such a joke. Nobody can help but love HungryBox. He is my absolute favorite. I hope all that see this agree. Hes such a cool guy.
1 likeCan’t imagine making a 1 hour video about a box who is hungry
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1 hour and 30 mins
22 likesIt astonishes me
15 likesYeah like, just eat
31 likesI’m glad he made the documentary never new about this legend hungry box plus I’m a huge fan of melee!
4 likes1) You cut a hole in the box.
6 likes2).......
is he still hungry
5 likesAll jokes aside hungrybox is a complete legend
8 likesA cubical storage unit that is additionally famished
1 likeIf you are homeless then just buy a hime
0 likesThat gives me the same stress and pressure as the real match
1 likeyknow, i haven't been watching hungrybox very long. but from the videos i watch, i can definatly say with confidemce that he cares for this game very deeply. and for that crab to be thrown at him made me pretty sad. cuz hes worked so hard to get to that moment and he was just disrespected.
0 likesThis was absolutely beautiful. Makes me wonder, though...what's wrong with people...
0 likesI've always liked Hungrybox, always saddened by people's reaction to him.
0 likesMy son, the best Jugglypuff in the world!! The one who never gave up, the one with the greatest resilience. The one who had to endure tremendous bullying from his own competitors and fans. My son learned the greatest lesson. He used that negative energy, transforming it into a positive attitude. Be blessed dear son!!!
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seeing this comment is so heartwarming. God bless
93 likes@Robin J.P. Thank you very much!!💖
38 likesLearn him to be less of a dousch
5 likesYour son is the best :)
30 likes@DavrK Thank you very much!!!
24 likesIgnore those sad people replying who can't put differences aside just to be mean to you and Juan.
37 likesI'm happy for you two.
This is definitely a fake account. Pretty sure Juan’s dad is dead. They also had a bad relationship I believe.
10 likes@Jarek Jorgensen im not sure if the account is indeed real, but she's supposed to be hbox's mom...
54 likesAlso acct is 10 yrs old so theres that
Matt G Good point actually. I think you could be right.
12 likesHi hungry mom! :)
8 likesCan he still speak spanish?
2 likes@Jarek Jorgensen I am his mother!!!
20 likes@Yoshimitsu Thank you very much!!!
15 likes@Les Anon Yes, I am HUNGRYBOX mother!!!
19 likes@Bruno Andres Padilla Navarro Si, mi hijo todavia habla espanol!!!
22 likesLucia De Biedma Oh my apologies! Well congratulations with your sons progress and achievements in his career over the years. You must be so proud of your son! Cheers to Hbox <3
24 likesYour son's story is truly inspirational, he became the best in the world with a character you wouldn’t expect, and he never betrayed the character, he stayed true despite the constant harassment from everyone.
14 likes@Jarek Jorgensen Yes!! I am extremely proud of my son!!! Thank you!!!
14 likes@The Yosh Thank you very much!!!
10 likesBien hecho, señora De Biedma. Juan en varias ocasiones le ha dado el crédito por sacar adelante a su familia. Existen pocos atletas con la fortaleza mental y la dedicación de HBox.
6 likes@Luis Tijerina Muchas gracias por tu comentario tan amable!! Mi hijo, es una gran persona, con mucha resilencia y perseverancia!!! Yo estoy extremadamente orgullosa de el!!!!
9 likesYour comment is very heartwarming and seems genuine, I hope it get gets pinned by Emp Lemon
4 likesHbox is awesome
5 likes@SunBeam Thank you!!!
6 likesGlad to know you are proud of your kid ^^ He is an inspiration
2 likestía lucia,muchos abrazos para usted y juanito, un orgullo para los latinos :)
4 likes@Renato Contreras Flores Muchas gracias!!!!
2 likes@IgneousGorilla Thank you very much!!!
2 likes@Edd Thank you very much!!!
3 likesB W how about you teach yourself English first
0 likes@Foundinthesauce First of all, I apologize that my English language is not the best or the correct one. I was born in Argentina, from Italian and Slovenian parents. I speak 4 languages, but I learned English in my 50s.
13 likesLucia De Biedma He will always be the best in the world no matter what
4 likes@MagicPony Thank you very much!!!
3 likes@Food Farm ?????????
1 likeLucia De Biedma I’m sorry if there was some misunderstanding that wasn’t addressed to you. Your English isn’t bad at all sorry for the confusion I love hungrybox
8 likesThank you Lucia for never giving up on your son. He may be not known to 99.
8 likes9999% of the world. But he represents 0.0001% of us who has the will to never give up to be the best at something in the 🌎.
@Desert Guy I will never give up on my son!! He and his brother are the reason of my life!!! Thank you for your kind words!!!
8 likesHbox es mi inspiración, he truly is the best!
3 likes@Salturn. Muchas gracias!!!!!
2 likesYour son is an inspiration to players like myself who strive to achieve the unthinkable and defeat the seemingly immortal. Blessings to you and your son!
4 likes@Your Dad's Wet Blanket Thank you very much for your kind words!!!
3 likes@Lucia De Biedma Hbox is an amazing inspiration to us all, and I love him a lot! He is also very handsome hmm yes
4 likes@The Full Package Thank you very much for your kind words!!!
4 likesLucia De Biedma I’m glad that your son is successful, and I hope that you are too.
3 likesYour son is amazing
2 likesKinda wish I could bookmark this comment somehow, because it's so precious. You seem like an amazing mother, Ms De Biedma
2 likes@MystiFay Thank you very much!!!!
2 likesThe crab in a bucket mentality is so strong that it even spread to me, a casual observer of melee's competitive scene. I started to hate Hungrybox for little more reason than because other people did. Sure, it can be boring to watch his jigglypuff--but that's no reason to hate a person, not in the slightest. Sure, he can be a dickhead sometimes--but I find myself drawn to people like that today, I frequently will side with Leffen and League of Legends players like Hashinshin because to an extent I can understand their disposition, and I also find it far more interesting to support the unpopular. Theoretically I should have taken to Hungrybox immediately following this rule, and for a time I did. I found myself sympathizing with him and frequently disliking Mango instead. He's worked hard to get where he is, while Mango kind of just did nothing but play games and found success. But then videos like "HBOX IS KILLING MELEE" started popping up--and I actually believed it.
2303 likesThank you for disillusioning me, EmpLemon.
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This will teach us to keep our heads screwed on right.
53 likesGood job overcoming that incredibly pathetic and weak part of yourself Rusted can.... Now uh, can you explain to me why that part of you existed in the first place? I don't understand envy. Envy is blatantly inferior to greed. Why does anyone feel it?
17 likes@Tom Hill Well, I guess I just can't help it man. My brain will never be as monolithic as yours I'm afraid. I can't even imagine the pure bliss of being so intelligent that all emotion is superseded by pure rationality. I am envious of your mental capacity, good sir--which yes, is ironic given the current point of discussion.
102 likes@Rusted Can remember A time when being open and truthful was respected? When you can be open about yourself and how you improved without some shithead who thinks that makes you weak? yea those were the good days...
54 likes@DML102 I didn't say he wasn't a worse player, I just don't respect him nearly as much as I do Hungrybox. Hungry's been grinding his whole life even outside of melee, while Mang0 just existed, did and achieved nothing, and suddenly found fame in melee. He's the stereotype of the slacker getting lucky. Yeah he's good at melee but I doubt he's had as many tears in his life as Hbox.
19 likesI always found watching Hungrybox to be the most interesting melee player, mainly because he did something that everyone else didn't. He was a player who played slow but could do something explosive in an instant. He seems to always learn what he needs to do to help him better. He just seems like the kind of player that could stay at the top, and would only get better the longer he plays and the more he learns.
18 likes@Shaman Xeed smash smelly
11 likeslaugh
Shameful
0 likesEmperor Disillusion.
1 likeDont compare Hashinshin to Leffen. Hashinshin is against the balance direction of a video game and leffen makes personal attacks against people, not fair to compare the two.
7 likes@Gooz That is true, I was referring to their disposition of being "villains" of their communities. Less true for Hashinshin but he is not well respected by anyone. Nobody listens to him even when he's right.
3 likes@Rusted Can That's fair.
1 likeRusted Well said. I was the same way. 👏 👏
0 likes@Rusted Can You're really just making assumptions. Mang0 grew up in poverty and had to be frugal with any tournament money he won. He maintained his status as the #1 player in 2013-14 while raising a baby and has basically had to rely on his personality alone to make a living on twitch, the earnings of which he now uses to support his entire family.
13 likesNah you were right before lmao. Hbox is killing melee. Every tournament he goes to GF's in the viewercount plummets. At G7 the other day viewercount dropped from 90k to 70k when GF's came on and hbox was in it. Hbox is a terrible excuse for a human being.
0 likesNeuro Beats What exactly is wrong with Hungrybox? You can say that everyone hates him and he’s terrible, but why?
1 like@Neuro So what you're saying is that for every 9 People that watch Melee, two will leave because they "hate" Hungrybox? That's still 7 very interested viewers and two that aren't
3 likes@K1naku5ana3R1ka "there are people who like hbox and then there are people who have met him" -Leffen
4 likesHe has been caught cheating (looking at PPMD's controller to know which way he was going to DI so he could get a rest), many of his ex fans who have met him say hes rude af to them including one kid who asked for a friendly set. Hbox beat the kid the first game and then unplugged his controller and just walked off. he refuses to play friendlies with other top players and goes out of his way to tell other puff mains not to as well so people cant learn the MU, he acts like a manlet half the time (i.e when mango was #1 hbox beat him. Hbox stood up, put his hands on his head and started crying and goes into the cheering crowd. Meanwhile, mango is wrapping up his controller and just sort of stands there for a bit waiting for hbox to turn around and shake his hand. Hbox was too busy crying and soaking up the attention from the crowd to even notice. So mango left. Hbox then goes onto the smash bros reddit and calls mango an asshole for not shaking his hand.) At EVO when he won, he did almost the same thing. He beat Armada and stood up and put his hands on his head and started crying and literally fell down on the stage, crying, and smacking the ground with his fists. Only AFTER his little act went on for a few minutes did he get up and go over to Armada, who was STILL sitting there waiting for Hbox to shake his hand and to stop acting like a child, and shook his hand.
@TW bro that's a 20% viewercount drop. With literally any other players in GF's viewercount goes up significantly. At Big House 9 when hbox got beat by M2K the viewercount spiked by like 10k. Then when Mango played Zain in GF's it spiked again. iirc, Big House 9 had over 100k viewers for GF's if you include the Spanish simulcast. About 97k if you don't. I will say that when if hbox starts to lose in GF's the viewercount does go back up a bit usually but that's only because people like watching him lose lmao. But if he starts winning it only dwindles even more from the initial drop when he comes on stage.
1 like@K1naku5ana3R1ka sorry, my bad, at EVO armada didnt wait for Hbox to finish his little crying act, he got tired of waiting and got up and fist bumped him LOL
3 likes@Rusted Can I honestly have no idea how you can consider Mang0 a slacker, the guy has been grinding melee for over a decade to get to where he is now, and you can see the amount of passion and work he has put into the game just in the way he plays
3 likes@Neuro hurr Durr hbox bad I'm good xddd
4 likesSounds like you want to hate someone at any time regardless of the context.
6 likesI don't see how his Jigglypuff is anymore boring than the sea of Foxes and Falcos that the Melee meta is best known for.
5 likes@Neuro I'm suree HBox is killing Melee and not just your ego refusing to accept that he work harder than basically every fox player
3 likes@Azirul yeah it's such hard work stalling every match and bairing while having no tech skill whatsoever vs the most technical and difficult to play character in the game
0 likesOof
0 likes@Neuro ah yes,I'm sure the over abundance of fox is much more interesting than a more skilled character where dodging the opponent attack is key to precisely counter their attack,with an attack that could've easily backfired and lose a stock. I'm sure you guys are fantastic people who can accept changes like that!
3 likes@Azirul LOL PUFF A SKILLED CHARACTER. Ima just block you cuz you're obviously just baiting.
2 likes@Neuro lmao blocking people unironically?Sad really. Go back to your fox lol
3 likes@EpicMario1 - Dat must is too stronk.
0 likes@Rusted Can It's actually kind of annoying to be honest. Sure I never experience envy, but I can never get a straight answer out of people. And I gotta watch people do dumb shit like, everything that happens in politics these days.
0 likes‘Mango kind of just did nothing but play games and found success’ keep maturing that perspective my guy nothing in life is black and white
4 likesHbox is really the most dislikeable person in the entire smash scene
3 likes@Neuro My guy they all did fucked up shit. I haven't heard of any controversies with hbox recently, but a lot of that shit was in the past. Mango did some fucked up shit too, so did leffen and m2k. I am not an hbox fan in any capacity, but he honestly doesn't deserve so much hate. Also it's possible that the people who leave when hbox comes on are just haters of hbox and dont want to see him play because they were convinced by the community that hbox is terrible, which based on that means the community is killing melee, not hbox. I also disagree with azirul, fox is harder to play than puff, but I believe puff is still difficult to play and just because it isn't as hard as fox doesn't mean he deserves no respect. Honestly I would rather see the melee community die respecting hbox than watching it try to strive after alienating and forcing him out when he just wanted to win and be respected. The community either dies with the little respect it has and hopefully make people respect it more, or it loses all the remaining respect it has.
5 likes@Neuro So hes like the other smash players?
0 likesJigglypuff is literally the underdog character.
1 likeEverybody else bouncing around doing flashy shit. Then out of nowhere. REST. And for all their fanfare and spectacle, they lose.
@EnjoyCocaColaLight How is Puff an underdog character? She has a setup that kills every character at 15% and her aerial game dismantles most of the cast. Now, C.Falcon, THAT is an underdog character.
4 likesAll you gotta do is watch Mango PPMD Armada and Hungrybox on the couch at the 1st or 2nd Smash Summit tournament and you'll hate Mango forever. He was in rare form that day
0 likes@Neuro bro have you ever worked years and years for something only to come so damn close countless times. And then to finally accomplish that task. If not you have no reason whatsoever to rag him for celebrating his win against his hardest tasks. Also if you're one to complain about how someone is genuinely celebrating after beating you, just win, dont lose to them if yiu can't takehow they celebrate. Because you have no right to criticize anybody on how they take victory.
0 likes@Neuro also, why can someone be scrutinized for not playing in friendlies against top players? You never saw Ali accept non title matches where they just freely boxed did you? Its called bei g a competitor, a prize fighter. Someone who always plays when there's something at stake. Quit taking random garbage about someone and rewriting it into your mind creating some false truth about people you dont know. And for the trash about people tuning out when he plays, its mostly because they know they will get a match where they wont see "oH gEe i gEt tO sEe fOx gAmEpLaY tHaT iS sUpEr hArD aNd oRgAsMiC"
0 likesCompletely out of the loop regarding Melee, it's scene and it's meta until i saw this. Great video, just like Internet Historian's about No Man Sky. Channeled vitriol from a toxic hivemind can ruin lives, and somebody stepping up can change the narrative for the better. The resilience "Hungrybox" showed over the years is inspiring as fuck <3
0 likesVery happy to see the props given, as well as some much needed perspective (for all the haters)
0 likesWhat a sick video I'm a hungrybox supporter more than ever
2 likes"The rise of a fifth god: Dr. Pee Pee." Now I am become 12, and I cannot stop laughing
7 likesI've never known much about the melee scene before, but hungrybox is now my favorite player. He's the official goat.
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Actually officially he's the third best of all time behind Mango and Armada according to PG Stats
0 likesAs a Maryland resident, a couple of things to set straight: 1) that's a cooked (steamed) crab, not raw - the shell is orange, indicating it's been cooked; and 2) no true Marylander would ever throw away a perfectly good crab, regardless of who wins or loses a video game.
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that means then : that person was from Delaware
150 likesI guess it wasnt a good crab
7 likesIt was @Jimathy Nutron
2 likes@RunTheCoins damn delawareans coming over to maryland and wasting our crabs
25 likesAs a Marylander I agree with the second statement
4 likesYeeting crabs is the Bawlmer way of paying respect
2 likesSure dude, not a single residence of Maryland is a toxic gamer, not a single one... 😂
0 likes@KalmoK you guys are almost as bad as Mainers
0 likesnova scotian (coastal canadian) here to confirm the crab thing. both things.
0 likes@Red You guys? When did I say I'm from there? I am from Finland so sorry, I just pointed out that there are toxic gamers everywhere in the world, no excuses
0 likes@KalmoK oh man, especially the gamers from scandinavian countries. They definitely throw crabs. That's more of a cultural thing tho.
0 likes@KalmoK 😂 the day is fast approaching brother. I shall ignite the flames of war at my local IKEA
0 likesDelaware? Biden???
0 likesThe SSB Melee Community Before Watching :
3 likes"I'll watch the video, but only because I hate the guy and I want to write an essay about a story about him being a meanie head on Twitter"
After Watch : "Perhaps I judged you too harshly"
That was a whole documentary. He did NOT hafta go that hard for us, y'all better show some respect
1 likeYou know, thinking about it, in the end, was the rise of Fox in the meta- at the highest levels of play, entirely the result of trying to kill Puff?
1 likeThis is one of the greatest youtube videos in history, I need a COD esports breakdown of this caliber
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Clay would be the best person, his story of getting dropped then winning word titles is unmatched
1 like4am and I dont even play Smash. But I just couldnt stop watching this amazing video.
0 likesI have to say, after watching this, SSBM has one of the most pathetic fan bases I've ever seen. Man, I feel bad for Hungrybox and the shit he has to deal with. It's fucking ridiculous! Not sure how I got her from an eight-hour trial video then news of Ukraine, but I'm glad I clicked before going to bed.
3 likesThroughly enjoyed this!
0 likesI'm loving the music choices here, gotta love PBR
1 likeI kept getting recommended this video, and i literally had almost zero interest in watching it based on the title and thumb. After getting bombarded day after day in the recommendeds and on the home page, I finally chose to click on Jigglypuff's goofy face. This brought me into a world in which I never held any interest- competitive gaming, and a character study of players in that world I knew nothing about. However, I was immediately immersed and engaged in the story. The way you've told his story, the structure, the intelligence... it was heartwarming. I can tell you have a true passion for the realm, an insane attention to detail, an artistic mind for storytelling, and a soft spot for the underdog. I slacked off at work for the entirety of this over-an-hour-long youtube epic, and gained a respect for a man who's career in a way represents so many of us. This is amazing.
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boglemeaster I have never played super smash bros and just watched a 1,5 hour video about it.
40 likes@Karst Gommer emp could sell ice to an eskimo, man
51 likesYou too? Literally every day this was recommended to me, staring me in the face, taunting me, daring me to click it. But I'm glad did.
27 likesWell said
5 likesThis is also me. Thank you all, this is entering my list of recommended documentaries for college teaching
4 likesThere is a documentary out there about Melee's competitive scene in general and each episode tends to focus on a particular notable player if you are interested. It called "The Smash Brothers" you can find it on youtube just by searching smash documentary.
15 likes@Karst Gommer Same.
0 likesYeah I highly recommend you watch the Smash documentary if you liked this
6 likesThe Smash Documentary would be a great step forward if you are still interested in Melee :) it's worth it
2 likesThis was truly a masterpiece of a video
2 likes@boglemeaster thanks for giving it a chance. What many people don't realize is that competitive gaming is full of stories like his. That's part of why people enjoy watching competitive gaming. Sure, the initial draw is more often than not the fact that we like the game, but as you continue to watch you start recognizing players. Then you begin to realize you're watching their story unfold right in front of you. It's honestly an incredible feeling to realize you were there for an event that turns out to be monumental.
3 likes@st0nks I began watching it and it's really well made and entertaining too. 4 plus hours long though; I'll have to split it into parts and watch all week at work lol.
1 like@boglemeister you can actually watch per episode, there's a playlist with each one here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSf2mgkRm7Q&list=PLoUHkRwnRH-IXbZfwlgiEN8eXmoj6DtKM it's also a ''remastered'' version with a few little changes, hope you enjoy it!
2 likesEmp could teach a masterclass in storytelling. He's one of the best at it on youtube.
2 likesAlso innuendo studios has a cool video on competitive melee, it's a bit shorter than the documentary :D
1 likesame
1 likeNa for me it was the crab
1 likeIts like what Super Eyepatch Wolf: he makes you care about things you would Never Ever wink wink care about
2 likesSame
1 likeWatch the "Smash Brothers" documentary. It's pretty good.
1 likeI would highly recommended the Smash Bros documentary Emp mentioned at 31:26, it follows a bunch of different top players in different time periods, spliced together with footage of them and interviews with them and others in the scene at the time.. I never really played Melee but after my friend showed me that documentary I was completely hooked, I still play daily :D
1 likeI like this comment.
1 likefor me it was too boring. I would expect such sidetracking video to be no more 15 minutes long
0 likesYou must've gotten sad by knowing how bad the YouTube system is, if they're recommending a video this garbage
0 likesSame
0 likesAfter months i watched it
Hungrybox is truly inspiring
Same thing happened to me
0 likesThis was amazing! thank you
0 likesI love this montage 20:05
0 likesI don't even play melee and still enjoyed it and recommend it to everyone 😉
0 likesEveryone playing Fox, the meta character : Wow ! So sick !
1 likeA Jigglypuff main, a low rank character, defeating the meta : So boring... He's killing the game !
To give context with Hax against Mang0's secondaries, Mang0 didn't use his secondaries against Hax because he was good. He was using them to prove a point.
854 likesHax was considered to be the best Captian Falcon main in the world. Hence he was the 6th best player. But over time, he started to lose faith in Falcon and switched to Fox. Fox is considered to be the best character in Melee due to his speed, recovery options, kill potential, and his broken shine mechanic. Fox was so good, Hax started a meme that went by 20XX. Hax stated that the game will evolve to a point where everyone only plays Fox at an optimized level, to the point where games are decided by rock paper scissors. Because of this, Hax stopped playing Falcon and focused only on Fox. Over time, his optimal play would get better and better to the point where the meme might come true. Hax has denounced Captian Falcon, stating that he would never win a Major tournament.
Mang0 got sick and tired of Hax's vision to the point where he started to use characters like Marth (A much slower character compared to Fox and Falco) and his former main against him: Captian Falcon. Mang0 wanted to prove to Hax that his claims about Fox are bullshit. And he ended up winning the set, and Hax refused to shake his hand because Mang0 refused to use his main against him. He saw that as disrespect. Mang0 would eventually start to pick up Falcon and Marth later on, usually playing them when he was bored. Whenever he faced off Hax, he would use both characters again in close sets.
Unfortunately, due to Fox's optimal play; Hax would end up developing carpal tunnel syndrome on his hands. His hands got so fucked up to the point where he has to use a special controller for him to play. Because of his injury, his level of play dropped significantly. Because of his condition, people started to take care of their hands now because they became more aware of the dangers of not stretching your hands.
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"Mango is a straight-up jerk. I get the chance to play him in tournament like twice a year and he picks joke characters. So BM." ~Hax, on Twitter after that loss
70 likes@yikes! Yeah. The smash B0xx ban held him back. Once he gets his kinks, he will get back to his glory days.
1 like@vDeadbolt He placed 4th, which I believe even counting his glory days is his highest placement at a major. 2020 might finally be the year of the return of Hax$
41 likes@craftandshaft yeah I just found that out. Watched it just now.
0 likesI love how nonchalant he was on twitter.
vDeadbolt How did he injure his hands?
0 likes@EN100 001EN I came here to clarify this, I believe part of it was genetic, according to Hax ( I remember him saying something along these lines when discussing the B0XX ) I am sure it normally wouldn't affect the average person in his position, but he practiced tech skill to such a point of repetition that they, essentially, wore out.
5 likesAlso another note to add is that the Rock Paper Scissors part of the meme is due to port priority.
21 likes@Shaman Xeed sad baiting
2 likes@EN100 001EN playing too long without taking breaks. Especially how fast he was playing.
2 likesMake anime short of this.
0 likes@craftandshaft he got 3rd at pound 2016 (which majorly contributed to him ruining his hands to the point that he can't play on gamecube controller anymore) but genesis 7 this weekend absolutely stands out as the most impressive (so far, melee just always progresses and moves so fast. every year is more difficult than the next)
0 likes20xx was a meme way before hax
0 likes@Fralorgrafon ?? no it wasnt??
4 likes@Fralorgrafon it did originate from Hax, at least in regards to the Melee meme. The origin of where the idea or the phrasing for the 20XX Melee meme came from is MegaMan, as it's used as an ambiguous time setting for the events of the game. That origin isn't what is being attributed to him though and isn't what is being discussed... It's even part of the joke that the 20XX Melee meme is a rephrasing of the original source to poke fun at Melee.
3 likesIf what you meant to say was something like "the origin of the concept or phrase that initially included '20XX' was actually from MegaMan", then you probably should just say that. What you actually said can easily be interpreted as you trying to reject or discredit the idea that Hax is the originator of the 20XX Melee meme, as just stating "20XX" by itself these days is more synonymous/more well known as being a Melee thing.
The original concept didn't inherently have anything to do with Melee until Hax popularized the association/rephrasing anyway. If it were an equation, it would look something like this:
20XX from MegaMan + Hax = 20XX Melee
Veiyr And how does that make him a jerk?
0 likes@K1naku5ana3R1ka in Hax's mind (this goes for a lot of other players as well), being able to play one of the game's best players in a serious setting (meaning outside of friendlies or crew battles or doubles etc) is a rare and cherished occurrence as it tends to be a set you can learn all kinds of new things from. Especially so if you are not used to making it deep into tournament brackets, as it's an amazing opportunity to practice your mental game too. If a player of an extremely high caliber plays someone below their level with characters other than their main, sometimes the message it can send to people is "I am good enough to be able to beat you with any character" or "you aren't worthy enough to face me playing my main", even if that isn't actually intended by the better player.
7 likesThe expectation Hax probably had was that he thought Mango would play the character he mains/is best with and try his best to seriously beat Hax. Instead, Mango decided to use his secondary characters (ones he doesn't play as often or as seriously as his main) I think with the intention of being more showy for the crowd and potentially to show Hax up in some way, rather than playing him as seriously as possible. I think Mango did probably try his best to win still, but the experience/gameplay is far different than if he had played his main at the time. There is also the factor that Hax might have prepared in advance to face Mango expecting to play against a certain character but then Mango changed it up on him unexpectedly, meaning the matchup that Hax practiced for had changed.
Considering Mango to be "a jerk" for what he did comes down to how you perceive Mango's actions and/or if you're aware of what his intentions were at the time. I'm pretty sure the OP is right that Mango played Falcon and Marth to prove a point to Hax, rather than just play him straight up like he would normally do/was doing with his other opponents at that event. The person you're replying to is just quoting Hax directly, and he feels like he was disrespected/not taken seriously, hence why he called Mango a jerk
Before he got injured people considered hax$’s tech to be almost 20xx levels of technical skill. even though 20xx is clearly a dumb idea it’s true hax was probably the most technical top player in the world at the time. Not the best but with better game sense, decision making, and other not tech skill based traits. He could of been better that prime mang0 imo. He was obviously lacking in what is really needed to be the best ( shown by the rise of hbox ) but if he had game knowledge like m2k or mastery of competition like armada hax would of been unstoppable
0 likes@Will DG honestly hax can give m2k a run for his money on knowledge. They're very similar players.
0 likesExcept for how they think about the game. Hax is a character specialist, m2k plays the same way with like fifteen chargers depending on what works for the matchup.
TheStrangeBloke yeah I was kinda embellishing to sound cool lol
1 like58:39 this right here people is the face, the face of confidence fear and sheer practice, all at once knowing hes got it, but knowing that he can lose just like that
0 likesJust look at this moment 42:56
0 likesTell me you can't feel exactly what he's thinking
I love how Armada kept trying to counter pick Hungrybox and Hungrybox kept adapting and made Armada retire
0 likesi just want to say ive only heard of melee competitive in passing over the years but this doc is one of the best I've seen in all sports in awhile
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no matter what happens as long as we make the decision not to give up, it simply does get better if you believe it will. - Hbox
0 likes“You aren’t destroying melee, the community is”
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your profile picture sums up literally the melee community feelings about Hbox lol
34 likesNo it doesNt
1 like@SIr It does if you've watched the entire video.
5 likes@Maximus Decimus Meridius the melee community openly hated hungrybox
1 like@SIr true
0 likesSuch a great video! like it very much, moments before I didn`t know a thing about those, and now I apreciate Hbox`s jorney
0 likesReally well done video!
0 likesThe crab wasn't raw, it was steamed. Raw blue crabs are blue and kinda gray/brown. Anyway, that's your Maryland fact for the day, looking forward to the rest of the video!
2 likesmy congratulations to hungrybox. I have no idea how melee competitive was. That game is so difficult holy moly.
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Holy moly indeed
0 likes“In his day, there were four others like him. Now, there was just Juan”
2028 likesThe raw power of puns alone is making me uncomfortable
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Яеversed Я I also am a fan of “Melee was a Smash hit.” Because you smash someone with a melee weapon and it’s Super Smash Bros. Sorry I don’t know why I felt the need to explain.
38 likes@Alex Haven Blackburn yeah you really didn't need to explain that one
10 likesBest thing about this pun is you'd need to know how to pronounce Juan. Most I've came across here Australia just pronounce it as "joo-wan" thereby totally missing the pun.
3 likesSame with Cruz and other Spanish common surnames... "C-ruzz", lmao.
timestamp?
1 like@Euclidean Space I'm Australian also I haven't met too many people who can't pronounce Juan
2 likesI cringed. Lmao
0 likes@_Saitama because nobody else has: 1:04:56
2 likesHe uses the Force, he is known as Obi Juan
0 likesWhat about mango and m2k?
0 likesDude... I am so glad that this video was made so that he could see for himself that those hypocritical idiots are not a true representation of humankind.
0 likesHow did I just watch one and a half hours of someone I don't know talking about a game I never played and a player I hadn't heard of in a competitive scene I couldn't care less about? I guess a well told story can be about anything and having a "short attention span" says more about the quality of content one watches than about themself.
0 likesDamn, now I'm hyped. When is the next Melee tournament? :D
1 likethis video actually inspired me to become a much better pikachu main in every smash bros installation. i'm currently studying pikachu combos and pikachu matchups and KO percentages
0 likesYou made me interested in things I didn't even care about before, great narration.
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All of his Never ever video made me pretty much into whatever he's talking about, Always Thought Wrestling and NASCAR as some dumb sport. Now I'm a fan of them
20 likesOMG How did you get that D.S. Emoji on your username?!
4 likesOl
0 likesplz watch the doc
0 likesHe doesn't own the footage so can't sell it anyway
0 likesI've never touched the super smash series but this man who suddenly poped up in my recommendation made me love gods of a game I've never played or ever would be able to
3 likes@Comment King 1st it does take alot of skill to execute. think of it like stuntmen.
0 likesGreat doc bud. You made me care about something I do not care about and stay til the end. I have a greater respect for gaming now.
0 likesA LITERAL MASTERPIECE... IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO ME BY YOUTUBE BY HALF A YEAR NOW, AND I REGRET NOT HAVING WATCHED IT MUCH EARLIER!
0 likes(the caps is intended)
This got me into smash bros ultimate as a puff main, thanks 👍
0 likesTruly a god of melee vs the melee community.
1 likeNever even heard of HungryBox, but damn man... I'm rooting for this dude.
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same. hope he's famous or something
16 likesI hope he enters Evo this year
23 likesHe’s a good streamer and stuff you should watch him
8 likes@UnckyD50thr33 Sorry for hurting your feeling you big baby. Go play animal crossing.
0 likesYou've made a horrible mistake. You're rooting for the Melee equivalent of Antonio Brown
1 likeWhat's wrong with hbox
8 likesNot much
2 likes@Pat1711 Cope. I am not part of any smash community and I bet you aren't either.
1 like@UtterlyRandom it does not help if you fight toxicity with toxicity
0 likesbuttpounder420 not really
1 like@UtterlyRandom Cope and seethe.
0 likesLol everyone needs to shut up he did fricked up stuff in the past and so did we but (most) of us have moved on unlike the people who harass him
0 likesthe H in HBox stands for hate btw
0 likes@BIG MAK "consoomer"
0 likesYep, We totally are the big babies
** You never heard of the literal best Melee player of all time? Thats kinda cringe
0 likesGoat players make good games that much more interesting and cooler.
0 likesKeep up the good work box :)
i have a lot more appreciation for melee now
0 likesNot that much into Nintendo stuff but this video had me glued.
3 likesImma be honest.
899 likesAs an outsider to the Melee community, I've always looked up to HBox. A player who never conformed to the norm and just did his own thing, succeeding by being different. Teaching everyone that there's more than one way to look at something.
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You know what: thast why i love some human
12 likesHonestly I have the same feeling towards HungryBox.
12 likesIt really is an underdog tale with this dude. That's what I appreciated about him. I only play jigglypuff now cause of him.
18 likesI never played competitive but just hearing his story makes me really root for the guy, the faceless mob can be cruel to people just trying to do their best at their own thing.
6 likesI don’t exactly play melee but rather ultimate however hungrybox has taught me to stick to my own things regardless of pressure which makes me still play ness no matter how many people stereotype their players as crayon eaters.
4 likes@N64StillKiksAss same and I'm actually really proud with how I play with her. Hbox is honestly the best
0 likes@Zioske G O F I R E
0 likes@Zioske Lol I play Lucas.
0 likesgod, every time mango takes off his shirt I just imagine this wave of sweaty stench just wafting across the (already stuffy looking) room. it must have been hellish sitting in one of those seats 🤮
1 likeWhat legends are made of,
0 likeshbox after knowing he lost to wobbles is the saddest thing I've ever seen
0 likesAll this did was make me miss Melee so much more
0 likesAfter hearing about how Hbox has been treated and the kind of stuff Zero had to go through, I gotta say the smash competitive community is filled with an awfully large amount of absolutely shit people.
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I love smash bros, but almost NEVER dive into its community. I have a really nice group of friends and an esports team at my school to have fun with, and I would rather stay with them instead of going into the wider smash community.
203 likesI guess it depends on where you live, our scene in Canada has lots of friendly people everyone just wants to play and make friends.
83 likes@SirdabsaLoT1 YT lol I guess, I've heard that the Japanese community is super respectful and the European community seems chill too
73 likesANY large and dedicated community is going to have a lot of that kind of people in it, but I will admit we can be a bit worse than plenty of other communities at times.
81 likesIt's a mixture of us having a lot of younger kids and teenagers (especially when compared to other fgc's) who haven't fully matured yet, while also just being deeply enthusiastic about our game as well. It can be really easy to lose control when it comes to something you care about, and you can see that in a lot of other sports as well.
Of course, there is a decent amount of genuinely toxic people in the scene as well, but that's just because as a community, we try to be open to anyone, even people like that.
Gee, I wonder what cough Leffen cough you could ev cough Leffen cough en be talking about.
32 likesEvery large competitive community inherently has a lot of people. Even if there are a majority of great people in a community, there are always at least a small minority that are toxic af and their toxicity always stands out much stronger than sportsmanship. That's just the reality of human beings; the few rotten apples can make a whole basket of apples smell like shit.
6 likescough cough Leffen cough cough
15 likes@Michael Pugliese Leffen in recent times has been relatively chill, especially compared to his old self. He's just very blunt in his speech.
25 likesIf your the underdog, everyone will popoff when you win anything, but everyone will hate you if you're good for a long time
5 likesT _cringe it seems like that’s only smash tho, look at faker in league for example, he’s hailed as a god rather than hated
4 likesCombine the toxic crowd with mob mentality and you create a disastrous community.
1 likeI wanted to like smash, but the community Is so toxic that the tradition coming off of it is effecting me, a person had never played or never wanted to play smash. This is why I stick with the FGC even though the FGC has it's own toxicity it doesn't feel as bad.
6 likesI mean no offensive to these people but its about as consequential as Justin Biebers hate mob (not comparing them to Justin fucking Bieber but I'm just saying its about just as many people). also zero didn't quit because of fucking community backlash, I don't even know why he said that, he quit because smash 4 was about to die and the pressure to keep winning (especially when he made enough money from youtube and what not) was too much for too little, which is fine but there isn't anything wrong with that. and hbox never quit and his reception is slowly but surly getting better especially since this vid got like 2 mil.
5 likesDire, Dire, Docs I’ve never agreed with anything so much
1 likelike how undertale is a good game but has a crap fanbase.
3 likesHyperGlameow so it’s just America
1 like@Anthony Strangio in honest to god truth the smash community isnt that bad on the individual level imo. But when the hive mind comes together
3 likesEvery single fandom is full of a**holes, it is an unfortunate fact but it won't change because some people are just innately s***ty.
1 likeyeah basically.
0 likesDire, Dire, Docs I haven’t seen any stories of kids or teens who have been toxic, I got fucking bodied by this one kid and he was really humble about it.
2 likesHyperGlameow except Leffen lol
0 likesIt's just like any other community. If you go to an in-person tournament, everybody there will be pleasant for the most part. A portion of those same people will be pretty toxic online. It takes a special level of arrogance to embarrass yourself in public at a tournament though.
2 likesShitty in behavior, and shitty in smell. Seriously guys. Taking a shower is not that hard
0 likesRemember that if you go to your local community it’s an amazing experience most of the toxic community hide behind twitter.
0 likes@Deadly Queen tbh, his fan base is way more toxic than he is nowadays.
0 likesHyperG
0 likesso literally everywhere but America
Y'all "it's just like any other community" people: no, no it isn't. Smash is a toxic as hell cesspit. Get in some healthier competitive scenes and you'll realize just how bad it is.
3 likesI can’t disagree but u gotta give the community respect bc of how self made it is, any community made from the slums like smash was is gonna be a little toxic
0 likes@forestsmusic music no excuse tho, i dont get why ppl are like "ok but every community is toxic" yeah most have toxic sides but not ALL of them are AS toxic as smash, some are a lil more some a lil less
2 likes@Rispir no its funny and tendies are on the menu for every meal!
0 likesThat's actually the same for a lot of competitive gaming communities to be honest. You have the obvious salt of LoL, and the childishness of Fortnite players, those are low-hanging fruit. But look into Overwatch, people like xQc and Redshell who consistently complain about the game when losing, but insult people for losing and telling them git gud. CS:GO is full of people who are so elitist about their game vs other FPS' that new players are shoved into the dirt and ridiculed rather than encouraged and trained. Even the good examples of sportsmanship and respect in pro gamers doesn't extend to the next tier down. A lot of streamers who are good enough to get into upper tiers of their chosen game even look down on pros, making statements such as 'I'm better than X, I just don't have the time to go pro' or 'I could go pro and win every game, but it doesn't pay as much as streaming.' In very few circumstances, those statements might be true. But a lot of the time it's just jealousy and posturing to make themselves feel better.
2 likesIt's no fun when your own community is antagonizing. Serious love to Hbox.
0 likesThe fighting game community in general is shit tbh. I've played two tournaments in my home town and I didn't place super well both times, but I swear some of these guys really think that fighting games make them like real fighters.
0 likesZero wasn't a bad person with an annoying playstyle, in difference to hbox
0 likes@HyperGlameow MERICA
0 likes@Raidiar bro same my friends who are smashers wouldn't dive into the community because of how toxic it is but unknowingly, I got into it and I was disappointed and disgusted because of my love for smash and how people can act so disrespectful despite having a love for the game.
0 likes@HyperGlameow I would love to go to Canada
0 likesIt's literally the worst gaming community out there.
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron you missed the point of the video
0 likesI don't even play smash, let alone watch tournaments, and yet I still enjoyed this video.
0 likesbeautifully made video. i dont know much about melee and have never been into it but this is truly beautiful. hbox sounds like an amazing dude and hbox truly has a SICK puff. hoping the two of you continue being amazing :)
2 likesyou know what? almost nothing gets me motivated, but this history.... is very very different, i just think HBox is the perfect example of never giving up... he need his own movie <3<3<3<3<3<3
1 likeHey emplemon! I was hoping for the next Never Ever episode, Im hoping that you can do something like "There will never ever be another DJ like Martin Garrix" since it would be a pretty interesting topic for you to cover. I don't know if you'll actually do it (even less if you even see this message) but it would be cool to see that. Loving your vids bro. Much love <3
0 likesAll the hate this guy has gotten sounds incredibly childish.
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You're literally the haters that Emplemon describes in the video lmao
12 likesThe hate comes from always using puff as his main. Most players change characters every once in a while. From a spectator pov, he's boring to watch play, most of the excitement comes from what his opponents do or don't do. Not from anything he does with puff. But maybe that's just me.
26 likesBlade1301 yeah it’s you
152 likes@Blade1301 so this still again a childish reaction and hate .
89 likes@Blade1301 Not all spectators agree with that sentiment. As far as I can tell it's primarily a smasher cultural thing that seems to actively dislike Hbox's playstyle as, "boring, lame." People from other fighting games who also like Melee can appreciate his style because it's not uncommon to see varied playstyles in traditional 2d fighting that are like his.
85 likes@David Ke Thanks for explanation, I can see where that comes from. I think maybe playing Melee/Smash influences it more than just watching. I've watched a ton of Melee, but I basically don't play it. I also come from games where the general culture has been use one move, and use it to the cheapest as you can possibly use it. If you win with it, a win is a win. Granted even in those cases people call it lame or boring, but the response was to adapt and work around it. Although it's different being a spectator my influences have always looked at the highly nuanced play that is derived from extremely simple play styles. I can appreciate them no matter how much they regarded as lame.
2 likesthe smash comunity in genaral is very toxic its just a fact
24 likesI've loved smash my whole life, every single game. But I've never had any desire to be a part of the community. Because the smash community generally is fucking trash. Especially after the last couple days? Trash. So not surprised he's had to deal with all the garbage.
33 likesUntil you realize the hate that he gets turns out to be completely genuine because he lied about it in his video.
5 likesGreen Barchetta wdym
5 likes@Takuma Goto You are deeply disliked.
0 likesBtw But Wobbling wasnt banned yet so i mean i gues Hippity Hoppity Your stocks are now my propety? it was stupid
2 likes@Jax’s super secret main account they also have a habit of bad hygiene. So much so that some places bring deodorant sticks.
0 likesBlade1301 he also gets a lot of hate because he’s mango’s rival. Who’s one of the most loved players of all time
3 likesThat’s a curse of almost all fighting games communities, it’s a shame that most people there are so toxic and childish, cause this attitude discredits these games and competitions.
1 likeJoe H. How, it's his opinion that puff is boring, doesn't mean he hates Hungrybox
3 likesPersonally, I prefer other characters over puff but I dont get mad when hungrybox or jigglypuff wins. When a large part of the melee community hated on hbox I was someone who didn't and found the hate childish. That doesn't mean you can't have preferences.
@Blade1301 i'd rather see a jigglypuff than another 5000 foxes.
3 likesSmash community: sick sick sick
3 likesAlso Smash community: numerous counts of child molestation, rape... you name it
(Not all, alright, just a number of top players)
@TUME 1 still doesn't excuse throwing a fucking crab at someone. It's not Hungrybox's fault that puff is weirdly designed, and no other player has been able to really replicate hungrybox's achievements with the character.
1 likemy friend told me he used to look at other peoples controllers idk tho
0 likesI think the main reason why is simply because of Puff. Many players get tons of hate based entirely on their main, and they start to make assumptions about them as a person.
0 likesFor example, Ness mains don’t get much love in ultimate, especially BestNess. BN has been dominating in online tournaments, taking more wins than any other player since lockdown. He’s best known for his unconventionally explosive ness, abusing magnet and his frame data to overwhelm his opponents with speed and aggression. Despite his respectable Ness and his friendly personality, he still gets hate for playing Ness, by people saying “BestNess bad, he only won because of WiFi lag” even though top players, Hbox included, said that BestNess was legitimately a Top Player, WiFi or not.
Amagys honestly, it’s weird that they think that tbh. like yeah it’s fun to watch the other characters speed around, but there’s something so satisfying about how puff seems to just. destroy people while floating around seemingly effortlessly half the time. that may just be me though
0 likesconsidering the news revolving the smash community in recent months I think your description is startlingly accurate
0 likes@Blade1301 I agree with you. Watching him play is the most boring thing in the entire universe.
0 likesBlade1301 weird because puff isn’t close to annoying, Ice Climbers is horribly annoying, with Wobbling in Melee and Brawl.
0 likestwo days late, but this videos two years old now, congratulations to Hungrybox for continuing to push on
0 likesI really don't understand why anyone hates Jigglypuff or Hungrybox. Like sure, it's gimmicky. But I don't really feel the gimmick is cheap or without punishment. And you have to be lying to yourself if you don't think landing a clutch Rest is simultaneously the funniest and most badass move. Like this video says, it's a ticking timebomb that keeps you on the edge of your seat. I personally can't get enough of watching Jigglypuff fighting in Smash and why would I not want to watch the guy who's best at it do it? Way more impressive to win with a gimmicky character than to win with the best character in the game, imo.
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0 likesI can’t believe my low concentration ass was able to sit through and actually watch the video to the end. This shit was good
1 likebro this was such an amazing video. i feel like i just watched rocky haha. amazing work
1 likethis video is STILL GOLDEN its re-watchability is so high
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LUDVIX!!!
8 likesThe falco
0 likesRIGHTTTTT!
2 likesThat whole Hungrybox is Melee analogy segment always gives me goosebumps. Seriously top tier.
49 likesoh damn 2 fucking hours the chances
1 likeLUDVIX!!!
2 likesWho is ludvix? I forgot
1 like@NewNewrom the best falco in the world baby
12 likeswatched this video for the first time like a month ago and since i am watching it right now i will have seen it three more times. Very true comment.
2 likesSay hi to Papa John's for me
1 likeWatching it rn
0 likesBro this video has been showing up I'm people's feeds again and single handedly gotten me into melee.
6 likesThat's true homie
0 likesBruh
0 likesTrue, even though i know the history i have watched the video over 5 times
1 likehey lud
0 likestruee, glad yt recommended it again
0 likesFR
0 likesive honestly spent more then a day if my life re watching this and i dont regret it
2 likestruth
1 likeAbout to watch it for the first time, let me test your statement👁
0 likesi swear to god it gets better with the time
0 likes🙀
0 likesExactly what I’m doing rn
0 likesStop following me everywhere dammit
2 likesTrueeee
0 likesyep! back here for the 4th time
0 likesI think I've watched it nearly 15 times
0 likesIt's actually trash though
1 likeSTARVING AFRICAN CHILD
0 likeslol the video caught my attention immediately bc im from Maryland!
0 likesTrue
1 likeI must be on my 20 something time watching it.
0 likesSo true!!
0 likesI’ve watched this at least 60 times 🥴
0 likesI do have to agree that the re-watchability is high. I come back to this vid when I’m doing some road trip driving or even home work as some background noise.
0 likesThat's how I feel about the Sacrifices to the Church of Nintendo video
0 likesI’ve watched it literally 20 times
0 likesAgree
0 likesVegeta what is his rewatchability level? IT’S SO HIGH
1 likeJust finished my third, or maybe 4th watch here.
0 likesSo, ya.
I love how he talks about hax
0 likesyep yep, here for 4th rewatch
0 likesI think this is the 3rd time I see it again
0 likesFacts
0 likeshi luvdix.
0 likesJust the fact he didn't main or side one of the space animals in Melee unlike damn near every "God" or "Top" earns my unyielding admiration.
1 likeAlso holy shit what a toxic community....like damn near any competitive gaming community.
My man really used Shaq Fu when describing a traditional fighting game. 😂😂😂
1 likeEmplemon is like that kid in class who’d say funny, weird, irreverent shit all the time but was actually the most well spoken and knowledgeable the moment you got in a real convo with them
0 likesThanks Dad, this is a really well put together feature film
0 likesHow? How have you done this EmpLemon? You've made an hour and a half long documentary on par with big budget documentaries, that genuinely makes you feel every loss and victory that Hungrybox experienced, and those last 20 minutes really make you rethink everything you just watched and ties up the entire video damn near perfectly. Bravo. You've created possibly one of the best videos on this platform.
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Dude, this should be considered not as a video but as a freaking movie. This deserves an Oscar.
9 likesThe key ingredient is empathy
2 likes@Qwe Fhj aka being a normal human with a brain.. Not wishing death apon someone's playstyle in a game
1 like5:41 I didn’t expect that response to someone throwing the crab for no reason
0 likesFGC: Look at all these button inputs you are too simple SMASH!
1 likeSakurai: Makes 3 ‘traditional fighting game’ dlc characters
That's crazy, after winning 100+ tournaments he has only earned 300k but kids are earning millions from one tournament, I guess when you target games to kids with moms credit cards, your prize pool would be bigger, also not to mention Nintendo are dumb asf
8 likesThis was phenomenal
0 likesThis dude isn’t just a melee god, he’s a symbol of pure human will and tenacity. It’s simply incredibly. If I wore a hat, it would be off.
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if u were in the melee scene u would know how hbox rlly is lol
6 likesJimpa If U wErE iN tHe MeLeE sCeNe...
68 likesIf You were hated every day, belittled and antagonised for the smallest things. You would grow intollerant and angry. He is antagonised for no reason, just because he plays jiggs...
I made my statement as a person who doesn’t play the game but since I am still a gamer I can empathize with the sacrifices you make for yourself to play a game.
33 likesWe all make mistakes in the heat of hating on someone for no reason Jimpa
6 likesHe damn near cried because some sloppy "human" lobbed a crab in his general direction...chill.
5 likes@Despicable Ocelot By saying "as a gamer" unironically, you make everyone that plays games seem significantly more lame. Goodonya
2 likesJugg MKJ, that was not my intention, but thank you for your opinion.
2 likesJugg MKJ I think you’d be kinda sad too if you went to a smash tournament and won only to find that nobody in the audience appreciates you or your win, and even throws a fucking crab at you because they’re such pissy babies that are always against you no matter what. There’s way more to it than “crab thrown I’m big sad now” you know, chill.
30 likes@Jugg MKJ I don't think its because of the pure gesture of throwing a crab, he was angry. It's more of the disrespect and the hate displayed in it.
17 likesJugg MKJ imagine not being able to see deeper than “it’s just a crab” yet someone says “gamer” and now you think that it had deeper meaning, are you a tough dude or a big soft baby?
10 likes@Ernesto Acosta It's just a game is such a weak mindset... Xd
3 likesGLN TV someone who works in law is a lawyer, someone who works in welding is a welder, people who play games even competitively are gamers
2 likes@Ernesto Acosta that's a reference to ninja. Therefore the "XD"
0 likes@Jugg MKJ and Jimpa are both fools literally watched this video and took nothing away from it and just sit here stewing in their salt... You kids need to grow tf up and realize that hes a person and hes better at the game than whichever loser you root for recognize greatness for what it is and appreciate it because it wont be around forever and when its gone you'll realize how amazing it was then all you'll have is all these years of salt to look back on.....
3 likesGLN TV oh sorry, I don’t watch ninja at all
1 like@Ernesto Acosta don't watch him either. Just saw the meme
0 likes"Most Ambitious crossover in history."
0 likesLet me introduce you to Super Robot Wars.
hungrybox inspired me to be a puff main kudos to him man
1 likeThis was ABSOLUTELY AMAZING good shit.
0 likesDamn i didn`t even know that this game exist but after hearing what Hungry Box has to go thru just to make the people that didn`t see him as to who he really is. Is like damn he truly is a legend worth respecting and looking up to now even if i only know just now that this game exist and its community. I already hate its community on how they treat a legend is truly is sad that they didn`t see Hungry Box as he truly is.
1 likeSo Hungry Box if you somewhat reading this i hope your doing fine! :) And you will always be a legend!
“PeePee’s style relied on tactical precision”
3779 likesi cant lmao
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Peepee haha
65 likes@It’s AFF peepee haha
20 likesahah eepeep
11 likesI’m dying lmao
4 likesOMG
2 likeshe is true, ngl
2 likesI get it!
2 likesI died lmao
3 likesi love peepee
3 likesI died more at his prompt rename....PeePeeMD
8 likesDr.PeePee was his first name in tournament
2 likesas soon as I saw this I immediately went to 18:00 and I saw the quote haha
0 likes@blubbernuggets Lmao what
1 likepp
0 likesOH MY GOD GUYS I JUST REALIZED WHY PEOPLE WANT TO BEAT THE TOP PLAYERS it's like an underdog story
1 likeHaha peepee funny haha
0 likes"throughout the 2000s players would begin to discover the power of Puff" does it for me
1 likeTactical peecision
3 likesYou aren't a Melee player are you
1 likeThat was his first ign- “Dr. PeePee”
1 likeNow it’s “PPMD”
Throwing a crab is just how people say hello in Maryland
4 likesthe crowd pop at 58:36 is INSANE.. this is super smash bros
0 likestbh, the gods of smash are the ones that make me wanna go into local tournaments. They make the game look fun competitively and rage enducing, lol
0 likesI know I’m in the minority, but I loved Brawl. A classmate in my dormitory let me borrow it (along with his entire Wii Console) back in college about 12 years ago and I had no idea another smash game was released. I loved Mewtwo but since he wasn’t in it, I had to find a new main. That’s when I discovered Lucario, I must’ve played that game religiously every day after class. I’ll never forget the day he asked for it back, I was so bummed out. I had it for like almost an entire year, I even bought a few games for it. I never played smash competitively so I just enjoyed it for what it was even though it was slower than its predecessor. I loved the new smash ball, and soundtrack for the map final destination. To this day, Brawl still remains my favorite out of all the series for nostalgic reasons.
1 likeBruh hungrybox isn't just an inspiration regarding melee, but the preserveance of a man when all the environment is against him.
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@cloverleafsippa713 Then there would only be four gods left
13 likesI would honestly watch a movie through hungryboxes view
0 likes"the 5th god Dr. PeePee" isn't a sentence I ever thought I'd hear
1 likei fucking love these sorts of '5 gods' storylines
0 likesThis. Is. AMAZING!!
1 likeImagine how bad the room had to smell for someone to sneak in a raw crab without anyone noticing.
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ZetsubouJohnny sure it’s a joke but, the event was in Boston, extremely common to have fresh seafood
359 likesThe smell of smash players probably covered it up
582 likesMaryland*, but that makes way more sense because crabs are everywhere there
131 likesZetsubouJohnny LMFAO BEST COMMENT
9 likesit was cooked not raw
32 likesIt's Maryland, the state is known for crab.
40 likesfresh crab just smell like salt, and not even a strong salt smell either.
33 likes@Shaman Xeed 2edgy4me
1 likeThe crab was red, so it was definitely boiled.
17 likesSmash players are, get this guys, smelly. Alright laugh now guys, you are now allowed to laugh.
46 likesplease laugh
33 likesOne word:... plastic bag
2 likesthey did notice, but thought nothing of it which is more worrying
3 likesProbably not any worse than any typical smash event
3 likesThat’s esports for yeah
1 likeLmao the smash players smell bad anyways
4 likesThe smell of raw crab is nothing compared to raw gamer.
15 likesOk
0 likestrue shit
0 likes@Maruigi17 i've never met a balding smash bros player. Sorry bruv. You goin bonkers ye.
7 likesThis Man m2k
0 likesle beau antho that’s two words, chief
1 likeHe probably thought it was his lunch
0 likesWe all know smash players don't shower.
5 likesShampoo is an item, after all.
@ThePi314Man head and shoulders bruv.
0 likesI assume it was masked by the lack of showers.
2 likesThe stinky Smash players are getting mad lmao
0 likesAlex Walsh quiet foetus
0 likesKnow how unhygienic smash players are, that crab was probably a fragrance.
0 likesIts a smash tourney, what do you expect
0 likesKnowing that one of the 5 gods name is dr. Peepee makes my day better
1 likethis is so good. Reminds me of Canelo after losing to Mayweather. Best champs keep going.
0 likesI got done with the intro championship part and i was like "okay cool, pretty cut and dry" and then... suddenly...
1 likeCRAB 🦀
Wait if someone wins theyre the pound champion...
1 likeDoes that mean whoever comes second is the champion at being pounded?
I admire the seriousness you kept while saying "Dr. PeePee"
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Have a good year.
10 likesIt's a rather serious name, is it not?
63 likesalso "PeePee M.D." lmao
48 likesTimestamp please
3 likes@ShadowKnows just watch the video 🤨
9 likes@bingle pls timestamp
2 likes"What's so funny about Dr. PeePee?"
11 likes"surgical precision"
15 likes@bingle it‘s 1 and ahalf hours long…
1 like@ShadowKnows 17:53
0 likes@jotaros linke Hand 17:53
0 likes@Alan Loewen hell yea
1 like@ShadowKnows 17:53
0 likes@Mathieu Robinson oh yea yea
0 likes@jotaros linke Hand Then kick rocks bro. No one gonna watch the video for ya.
0 likes@Neiasaurus Creations that's why hes asking people who watched the video already, silly!
1 like@Blitzkrank Could just watch it himself. Like y'know the purpose of clicking onto a video.
2 likes@Neiasaurus Creations he doesnt have any context for the comment, that's why he's looking for the timestamp, seriously would you enjoy looking for a small part in a 1 hour video?
1 like@Blitzkrank I wouldn't need to look for a small part if I had just watched the video. Cause you know, I'd have seen the small part myself.
2 likes@Neiasaurus Creations fair fair, but there are those people who want to save those moments in a timestamp.
0 likes@Blitzkrank I mean. That's not what was happening though.. Person just didn't want to watch the video because it's "too long" so wanted other people to watch it for them, and spoon feed them whatever info they wanted. Which just is a slap in the face to all the effort Emp put into the video. If you can't be arsed to watch it, than just move on. Don't ask for other people to watch it for you. Kinda defeats the entire purpose of youtube to have other people watch it for you.
2 likes@Neiasaurus Creations that is true I'll give you that...
0 likes@bingle it’s an hour and a half, not everyone wants to watch all that for one clip
0 likes@Neiasaurus Creations bruh you really out here actin like the creator is gonna be offended because somebody wanted to watch a certain clip
0 likes@wysp Nope. Not acting like that, nor do I care. It's just annoying to see people comment that haven't watched the video and refuse to. It's a personal annoyance of mine. If you can't be assed to watch the video, I can't be assed to do it for you. Kick rocks.
1 like@Magui D I love that. Also rei best girl
0 likestrust me, if you play melee, you can say dr. peepee in all seriousness without even thinking of the name
0 likes@tas bot I'm more of an RTS typa dude.
0 likesDo you think Dr. PeePee will ever update his name to Professor Penis? It’s got a ring to it while also maintaining the childish sense of comedy.
1 like@bingle it's 1 hour, we don't wanna watch that much
0 likesRepent to Jesus Christ!!
0 likes““I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.”
Matthew 10:16 NIV
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@Repent or you will likewise perish. no u
0 likesAh! I wanted to say that I loved that video, I didn't knew much about smash, specially melee...
0 likesBut I played a lot another game, called Grand Chase, most people may not recognize, but is a fighting game, with a different style too, he uses plataforms, and so many different styles based on RPG, so mages such as Arme, usually runs a lot an attacks from distance and other plataforms...
Is a game with lots of minor bugs that became part of the mechanics inside the combat, such as "mush, otto, shadow, lothos" and other ones...
Even tho have plataforms and some characters are close range, others are middle or long ranged, and with so many different forms of combat, it is still a intense and fast paced battle, very dinamic and fast, with lots of dashs and mechanics, too much freedom to create combos and sequences of any kind and styles.
Very intense game.
But I decided to use a character with low mechanics, very weak, with less resources that any other character, very weak, and I limited myself to play usign "grabs", that works like any other fighting game.
I was slow with less mechanics, weak, and I usually did low damages usign grabs, with was needed 10 grabs to take one of 3 lifes.
My fight style was slow, weak, and "not so apealling", not very much aestethic and fast... I did not use any kinds of combos, only grabs.
Wich has zero range, and it is weak, and with a weak character, with defensive properties.... So other people usually tells me that I have a boring fight style and that I do nothing special, I lack in this "Sick" fighting style, and people hate me for that.
But even with the weakest character, I win lots and lots, I created a solid way to find openings and pass throw other players hits and grab over and over, with a dinamic and offensive style, usign their speed and mechanics against them.
I created a very solid and great style, with a low and weak character, and started to win everyone, but with my style that everyone hates...
So I recognize myself in Hungrybox, because I felt my whole life playing Grand Chase, the same way, winning, but being denied by everyone, even tho I use lots of stategies and have more knowledge than everyone else, with great timming, just because I won't play as the meta says it is correct.
the rivalry between hbox and armadas fox is amazing. cause like, its the protagonist dealing with all the brute forcing enemies only to come up against one just as strong but far more cunning
0 likesYou did Hungrybox justice 👏 now I wanna buy a switch or a Cube 👀
0 likes"You'll never win the big one." - Chris Jericho to Eddie Kingston
1 likeThis just proves incels will always act like incels. Hbox is a god and a KING for making it to the top, and dealing with the toxic community
1 likeHbox should adopt the crab as his emblem. Turning an insult into his strength.
1 likeMr. Box really deserved that EVO 2016 win.
1 likeThe five gods of melee sounds like a yakuza substory
3 likesHbox: breathes
3133 likesMelee community: HE'S TRYING TO TAKE ALL THE OXYGEN SO NOBODY CAN PLAY MELEE!!
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Martin Rebro I’m glad melee didn’t came back from evo can you believe how toxic the community would be if it came back from evo?
31 likeshe is gonna start floating again.
7 likes@Lollikaboss [o.W.n] well Melee won't be dying anytime soon. The only way it'll die is if the world runs out of CRTs. But even then it can still be played on monitors.
28 likesMartin Rebro thank you
0 likesLMAO
1 likeI want Smash Tournaments around using lower tier characters to see how that would look on a competitive stand point tbh.
8 likes@Lollikaboss [o.W.n] yes pls
0 likesLmao
0 likes@OaTz and the smell uhhhhhh
0 likesI read that in Keef’s voice
3 likeshbox was the second shooter
0 likesMartin Rebro 😂
0 likes@Lollikaboss [o.W.n] I wouldn't say it's the game's fault. It's the community that ruins the game's reputation. Those dudes need to chill out, take a shower, and start reevaluating their life.
1 likei havnt played melee in years but he sound like he would have been fun to play with to me
0 likesJust made me a fan of Hbox. Great video fam.
0 likesIn his time, there were four other like him. Now, there is just Juan.
0 likesI come back to watch this video it's so motivational thanks
2 likesThis entire video is pure catharsis for me. I love Melee and I love the absolute best video essays on the internet. This video is exceptionally long, but it needed to be that to truly tell the entire story, and personally I love long videos if they are this well edited and researched. Absolutely phenomenal work that I could not have done better myself. Something that finally, in an at least somewhat concise way, captures the raw human stories that fuel Melee. Keep up the great work EmpLemon.
408 likesBut as a self identified crazy competitive melee fan I want this comment to stand for one point to the contrary against EmpLemons personal take on the Melee scene. While Juan Debiedma does not nearly deserve the hate he gets and I feel everyone is too harsh on him as a whole for many unjust reasons, there are legitimate reasons for why many fans of Melee feel like he is not good for the competitive scene or the community and rally behind other players instead. This is so much to say that sports fans, like myself and many others, admire different players for different attributes that define them as competitors and that the story of Hungrybox is one of many others. Thusly it is fine to dislike or like hungrybox just like any other player, team, coach, organization, or aspect of a sport. This is what sports fans do, we get emotional about every little factor that makes the competition what it is.
From the video and how invested in this community Emp is I know he understands this, and so do most people watching this video, and hey if you’re reading this long-ass comment on a feature length youtube video on a nearly 20 year old esport I hope to god you do too. What I’m trying to avoid is a simplification of some of the messages in the video, because obviously the video is about Hungrybox and not anyone else. This is the story from his perspective. I implore everyone to go out and find all the other amazing stories in Melee. For Example:
- Mangos journey from a cocky kid to a hardworking, honest, champion of the game to this day who is both wildly entertaining as a streamer/internet personality but a responsible father to his son and family as a whole
- Armada who overcame literal oceans to prove himself as, as of right now, the best player to ever grace the game as we know it.
- Leffen who started as an Anti-Hero god slayer with a chip on his shoulder overcoming some of his more toxic behaviour to become, while a still blunt teller of truth, an incredibly talented and well rounded player of any fighting game he touches.
- Amsa, Axe, Wizzy, all proving that Hungrybox isn’t the only player able to make unconventional characters win the highest skill events Melee has ever seen.
I could go on and on about nearly every major player the game has seen up until this point because I’ve been watching since 2013, yes, I am a doc kid. A very passionate member of this community who only wants to see it grow into something even more special. All I ask of you dear dedicated commenters, fans of Emp, fans of Melee, or complete newcomers, is that Melee is inherently no different from any other competition or sport. People have opinions and view teams and players in other ways than the way it was presented in this video. And that is okay. Like seriously, it’s okay y’all. Calm down for a second geez.
All in all, this video is great, but do not sell melee short. There is so much more complexity to the game and its community that cannot be fully grasped even in this nearly hour and a half long titan of a video. But the fact that a video can be made on one of my personal least favorite players, AND it is this enthralling, endearing, and accurate proves one thing.
There is still so much more Melee to be played.
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From one Melee fan to another, respect. Everything you wrote is absolutely true.
14 likesI can never discuss why HBox is bad for the Melee scene and how the community has always handled rules. People think criticizing is hating. Video's like Rishi's about rulesets need to be made. Videos praising HBox do not. I know HBox is highly skilled, but there is a reason he gets hate and this video just doesn't really present a fair representation of that, it paints him as a hero for facing adversity and overcoming it. It just feels disingenuous. However, you shouldn't get a fucking crab thrown at you. That's pathetic.
11 likes@Jim So glad other people get that idea. My one disagreement though is the video being disingenuous. If the video were about Melee as a whole, or giving a fair honest look at Hungrybox from every angle, yeah it leaves out information on him and doesn't go into enough detail about other players and their relationship to him. But as a video telling the story of Hungrybox as a competitor from his own perspective? I haven't seen anyone else do it better. As much as I don't like him, he is still the Hero in his own and his fans storylines
11 likes@Ramblin' Man that's very fair, man. I just think it isn't acceptable to discuss HBox without discussing rules and other players complicated history with him. Otherwise you've just made a propaganda video. That's the problem when your content is focused more on being wholesome than objective. I don't think this video shouldn't exist in any universe, I just think he could've been more even handed.
2 likes@Jim Yeah I agree that would have been more ideal for sure, but the video is already so long and adding that in would some what take away from the narrative of the video. This is what I love about Melee though, Emp made a feature length film on one player and it isn't even close to saying everything there is to say about him
4 likesI can’t believe I had to read this whole thing
1 likeThis guy just wrote a whole essay on why melee is hype
3 likesBro just say it was epic
SSB_Seal I always see you in vids
0 likesAnd i would say most people hold that view, it is the loud minority that shits on players like some do to hbox mostly but often to leffen and sometimes to mango.
0 likesI as a mango fan just enjoy his play more and i prefer watching a gf with anyone but hbox yeah, but i do not hate hbox i respect him and ofc he's an integral part of melee and it's history and that's a very good thing.
I just believe that my opinion that is held (in my opinion) by most people isn't voiced. And tbh i believe it is so much better these days you can see people applauding hbox when he wins most if not all the time. We've changed and it will keep getting better.
But 2020 will be mango's year hehe. Peace
@Jim Lol y'all can't even comprehend a video that doesn't completely shit on the man. One of the few videos on the internet that actually tells his story in such a way as to not paint him as a cancer and you think it needs to be more "even-handed".
2 likesIt's like you don't even recognize that you have biases. As if the neutral position is "Hbox sucks" and everything else is propaganda.
@windumaster14 no, you misunderstand. HBox is a very complicated man with a very complicated history. Not discussing those complications when you're doing a supposedly comprehensive history of the player is disingenuous.
0 likespeople love to forget mang0 a puff main originally lol. he switched not because of some 20xx shit, he switched to falco first then fox too because he was inspired by earlier falcos with there fast game play and combos. 95% of people will tell you spacies are straight up just more fun to play than puff. puff takes a special type of player, patient for sure. very patient.
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Hbox has always prioritised winning over learning, like how he's only just started Tec chase resting. Also how he used to avoid friendlies.
1 likeSuch a good video gon make me cry while thinking about it
1 like42:15
1 likeSo HungryBox basically did a Megamind (literally and figuratively) and embraced The Evil Persona the public gave him because they won't give him a chance to be a good guy ?
Fuck dude, came into this not even knowing who Hbox was n went from curiosity, bitterness, and finally to whole-hearted admiration. Great video about an utter legend
0 likesThank you Emp. Hungrybox recently broke down on a twitch stream after being flooded with subs and donations, and I just kept thinking that this video has helped people recognize the pain Hbox has went through. Thank you for helping Hbox finally get what he deserves.
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WAIT did he?
8 likesI hope he's seen this video and that it put a smile on his face.
31 likes@Lilya He did! Check the pinned comment :)
14 likesThat was a ride and a half! Thank you
0 likes"Era of the five gods"
3 likes"Dr. PeePee"
I wanted to hear about the reason for the crab! Looks like the addressing of that issue was, in true crab-fashion, side-stepped...
0 likesHungrybox is literally the Shield Hero
1 likeMango’s Puff used to wear a crown, showing how he was the “king” of melee, at least to the community due to his popularity.
2465 likesHungrybox’s Puff wears a headband, representing his dedication and will to continue playing the game, training to become the best and ultimately overcoming his hardships.
Competitive Melee is scripted and it’s my favorite anime.
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If this stuff was drawn and voiced in Japanese, no one would believe you that this wasn't entirely fictional.
108 likesBro how long have you been watching? Mango certainly wasnt popular back in his puff days. People always disliked watching Puff. The only thing that made people chant for mango way back in the day (before 2010-2011ish) was his rivalry with Armada and even then only because he was representing the US in front of a US crowd.
32 likesicecore to be honest not very long. i’m only 18 (as of this year) and I know nothing of the Gods when they started out/the early days of competitive melee because i wasn’t interested in it until much later. i was just making a comparison based off the information given in this video.
11 likeshahaha really?, i think he choose that in his first play but yeah let's give it a deeper meaning
0 likesAlvaro Garrido is there something wrong with that?
1 like@PeptoBismol no, but it is funny how we want to see things that aren't there
0 likesAlvaro Garrido true, i was just making a comparison anyway. plus, it’s pretty cool to think about imo
1 likeMango wore the crown as an homage to the puff player The King, whose combo video "Rollout" inspired mango to main puff
16 likesthat and crowns are flashy.
0 likes@icecore, that's not quite accurate, mango used to have a hatedom, but he still had people cheering for him, particularly when he was playing M2K. He didn't become a fan favorite until gen1, but he wasn't reviled like M2K or Ken or other previous top players. Chillin and others have said that they thought puff was 'cool' and 'fresh' when Mang0 first started winning with him. Mango had tons of close allies in the community like Scar, Toph, Hugs, Lucky, and SFAT.
6 likesHbox, for comparison, was getting hate from everyone (except crunch/cobol) even before he was winning tournaments in his own region.
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0 likesSame here
0 likesinsanely cringe comment
0 likes@screenname98 ok. Why is being an Hbox fan inherently bad? People can like whatever they want to like. Personally, my favorite smash melee player is Schythed but Hbox deserves his #1 position after years of training.
3 likes@screenname98 also, making a typo is "so fucking lame". You have to put "an" instead of "a" before Hbox
3 likesI was cheering for Mango back in 2009-2010 and certainly he received a good amount of hate when he was Puff. Anyway, it's nothing compared to the hate Hbox receives.
0 likes@Kreatona "Hbox deserves his #1 position after years of training. " Couldn't agree more
2 likesPerson Personson this is the smash community. this community is like a toxic waste dump where deodorant and showers don’t exist and everyone subsists on each other’s sweat glands. i’m not surprised i got these kinds of replies.
3 likesthe ultra necrozma theme + the 5 gods introduction was so cool
0 likesHungrybox and Mango look like the same person from slightly different points in time.
2 likesI've always loved hbox, mostly cause I like the idea that a lil pink blob reins supreme
2 likesHe will get the crowd behind him, just give it time
0 likesCongrats! You’re a world champion here is your reward: “*unfiltered hate*”
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reminds me of that one bible game
39 likes“Heavenly score! And your reward is... W R A T H O F G O D
Definately filtered
2 likesLike the sole Engineer in a lobby of Scouts, the resilience to fight in the face of overwhelming odds and act to the best of your abilities is the pinnacle of humanity in action.
0 likesnot going to lie his combo was pretty amazing, i should get good at fighting games the whole thing sounds interesting but i don’t understand the moves, even if i could get good to defeat level 6 cpu flawlessly it would be good.
0 likesHow the heck did I get a masterful dissertation on the double-faced nature of human collective behavior and psychology just because I was somewhat curious about the history of Melee competive scene?
1 likevery touching. found a lot of myself in there.
0 likesI almost feel guilty for watching a documentary this good for free. Amazing job emp & mad respect to hbox.
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well, thats why there is a patreon in the description. If you want to pay him for it you can.
5 likesI love how they put the inputs of geese Howard, a character whom is often regarded as difficult and hard to play amongst his own community making him less popular in his own game compared to him getting heavily enjoyed in tekken a movement based game with many simple to use inputs
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@my boy yeah I meant in terms of how fun he is to use but I definitely get what your saying
0 likes18:00 i feel like he's trying to hold back his laugh
0 likesI tried to convince my wife to have a pound 2022 "tournament" in our bedroom, she just won't go for it.
0 likesEdit* Since I've told her about hungry box, she has now decided he sounds like an excellent contender. She didn't realize only I get to play in the "tournament".
when ultimate came out, I hadnt played a smash title since melee. I was a captain falcon main, and I was decent. Came in third in a local in ny once. Anyways, I struggled in ultimate with falcon. It took a long time for me to accept that I wasnt vibing with him. I made the switch to ganon, and immediately saw improvement. Then I found out hes among the worst if not the worst tiered character in the game, and knew if I tried to break into competitive, it would be next to impossible. I jumped on puff once as a bit of a joke, and havn't looked back. I still main dorfy, but puff is a really strong secondary.
0 likes1:04:56 "Before there were 4 others like him,"
1690 likes"Now"
"Theres only Juan"
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I know!!! Hahaha that was brilliant
20 likesYeah I laughed 😂
5 likesAw cmon
4 likesHahahahaha
5 likesIf only it were true. Mang0 fucked it up last year and juan had a slump. But that's melee, every body ebbs and flows
7 likes🐴
4 likesI can only thing of the
2 likesJuan>:(
thing
Okay, normally I get salty at these jokes, but I'll let it slide.
1 like@Juan Manuel Penaloza I guess you could say this is the Juan exception. :)
4 likes@Jay Eckart hbox was strong at the start of 2020 but online definitely handicaps him
0 likesdidnt know a horse was a gamer
1 likebut e p ic
sadly hbox is not so active
0 likesmang0 is the best god right now
Randomly clicking on this video, I didn't know dick about Smash Brothers in general.
0 likesI watched the whole thing and time just flew.
Well done!
i wish this was on iMDB so i could give it a 5/5
0 likes“Get off reddit and go practice” out of context genuinely decent advice
3 likesHow to scare a raw crab player:
0 likesSpotdodge
Grab
Downthrow
EmpLemon has gone on an upward spiral and he has now completely raised the bar for content on this platform.
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You might even be able to go as far as to say he's the hungrybox of YT
7 likesEh. Not really.
0 likesYeah Ok From my (half remembered) knowledge, Emp was bashed for making “pandering content”, he made something else (again, half remembered) and everybody thought he was going on a downward spiral. He made a Logan Paul video, “why the fuck are we stuck with you?” happens, and the rest is history. Somebody please come along and explain this better than me.
0 likesHahaha
0 likesEmp is now a drill that will penetrate the Heaven
0 likesYou might check out down the rabbit hole is a similar video format but it’s so different at the same time you are probably are going to enjoy it.
0 likes@ً I do like him!
0 likesShlant That’s awesome
0 likes12:55 another thing to consider is that Ken had just gotten back from being on Survivor and was probably not in top shape as a result
0 likesYou’re one of the 5 Gods of Youtube, Emp.
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Who are the other 4?
1 like@Space Ace Jontron, Markiplier, Mr. Beast and Pewdiepie
0 likesThis video referenced some of my favorite things ever: Majora's Mask, Beethoven, and Futurama.
0 likesI've never played any SmashBros, I never had the chance, but I love eSports in general. My favorite game to watch in a competitive lvl is League of Legends. Seeing the community throwing sh*t at the best player of the game like that it's just sad. like, imagine Faker (for those who don't know, he's the best in League history) starting to play a boring character and start being flamed by the community, I really can't imagine that, League community is REALLY toxic, we haven't touched that lvl, as far as I know.
1 likeThough, it's pretty heartwarming to see this guy overcoming all that crap for the love he feels towards the game and the ambition to become the best. My respect to hungrybox
Imagine being so butthurt that you throw a crab at the winning competitor.
1105 likesHaving a favorite is good, but being angry at the opponent because your favorite player lost is just downright dishonorable.
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People like that are the very definition of being a "no-life"... and the reason as to why I stay as far as possible from any competitive environment nowadays. ;P
57 likesImagine being that crab throwers parents.
16 likesWho the fuck carries a raw crab on them to begin with, let alone to throw at someone in a competitive tournament?
51 likes@Terminally Awesome That guy apparently
12 likesImagine being so sure the guy you hate is the best that you buy a crab, keep it on you the whole tournament to throw it at the end...
11 likes@Yordan Azzolin Or the fact that the people in that arena smell so bad that nobody noticed the smell.
11 likes@Terminally Awesome He had to hold onto thst thing for hours. He must've smelled like fish the entire day
8 likes@TheHauntedKiwi lol
2 likes@Superintendent Chalmers bad smell in these environments is pretty standard
0 likesDo raw crabs hurt? Now I’m not supporting this guy but idk how much that hurts physically.
0 likes@Madyson Andres If it were alive its pincer could break fingers, easily. But I think it was dead.
0 likesAlso it is made of a hard exoskeleton so it could hurt
@Madyson Andres depends on how hard it was thrown, which part of the crab hits you (most crabs have spiked areas)
0 likesIf Hungrybox wasn't getting his flowers right now, I wouldn't be laughing but "downright dishonorable" took me out 🤣
0 likes@Terminally Awesome It's Maryland.
0 likesBetter question: WHERE DID HE GET THE CRAB?!
1 likeThis was inspiring af
0 likesDidn't realize people still played melee, but this was an awesome documentary.
0 likesBeen using youtube every single day for 12 years, one of the best videos I ever saw.
1 likeSo mango gambled on becoming the best and did terrible in school purposely in pursuit of smash.. an all or nothing plan, much like his gameplay
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it's entertaining to watch but there's always 2 sides to a coin. attack or defend, persevere or quit, and create or destroy
41 likesDude needs to stop drinking like a fish or he won’t be the same in 5 years
59 likesAnd hbox plays it safe and seizes the opportunity when he can
31 likesand now Hbox sucks and loses to top 32 players. while mango / zain are dominantly top 2
16 likes@SleepyBoi lol online tourneys aren't legit.
41 likes@SleepyBoi yeah but he is a lot happier and still enjoying smash. Plus he gets to tap into his commentator skills as well. So overall id say he is better than ever
53 likes@Jonni they absolutely are, especially now that everybody has had time to get used to them and slippi has extremely good netcode. Hbox will probably be better when covid ends because he seems to feed off of a crowd and is not practicing as much, but don't John for the man and discredit everyone who is grinding and getting good results during covid
4 likesThis comment hurts to read
1 like@SleepyBoi yeah... except Hbox can go be an engineer whenever he wants to make 100k a year. And is probably making that on twitch. Quitting school to game is incredibly short sighted and risky
14 likes@Marty Mcfly 88MPH If we are considering twitch, mang0 is more successful than hbox on twitch.
0 likes@Giga Bowser no he’s not
0 likes@Seank7 In my opinion, doing good in online should give you credit as a good player, but if you are a player that is already proven to be good but doesn't do well online then it shouldn't count against you.
5 likes@Drake&Josh Official Youtube Channel I know what you mean, and I would have agreed with you in, say, April or May, near the beginning of lockdown when everyone was getting used to slippi tournaments, but at this point players have had plenty of time to adjust to the new tournament format, and so its just unfair to people who are taking the game seriously online to just sit back and say "Yeah but how much do these results TRULY matter, things are different now" when this is the only way to play melee for the past year and for at least the next several months (in USA at least) Not to mention, in region locked tournaments, sets are actually often have either negligible lag, or literally 0 lag. And with the fact that everyone's at home you actually remove a lot of things that would impede you quality of play from in-person tournaments, like being distracted by a crowd, the venue being too cold for your hands, the tournament running late to the point where you've lost energy, not having access to friendlies to warm up before a set, all this is solved by slippi. So yeah slippi tournaments have their problems but they also have their upsides for competitive integrity. More importantly, it's been almost a year since tournaments went online. People have had plenty of time to get used to how melee is played now, there's no excuse if you can't adapt. And during this period, the meta has evolved faster than it possibly ever had, due to people not only having unprecedented amounts of free time, but also unprecedented access to practicing with other top players, and they've taken advantage of this and improved at absurd speeds. If Mang0 wants to lab the Marth matchup, he doesn't have to ask PewPewU to drive across California for friendlies, he can now play PewPewU, Rishi or Zain or a bunch of other Marths in a matter of seconds with no lag. So at this point I do think a lot of current top players have actually far surpassed the skill of Hbox from 2019-early 2020, because he hasn't taken advantage of this grind opportunity like they have, so I do think it counts against him that he just hasn't been keeping up with the meta's crazy fast evolution recently. I think when in-person tournaments come back, he has a shit ton of catching up to do. If I was a TO, I might not even seed him top 10 at that point.
0 likesI wonder if that one ROB player that beaten KEN, was respected or despised by the community after that unexpected win, I hope that kid is doing okay at these times btw
0 likes"It's all hard" is a sentiment I can say about videogames that are called hard. Sure, you can get really, really good at dark souls, but that's the same game each time with the main difference being item drops. Tetris is hard because it gets faster and with the 7-bag formula you can only ever get so good and get such a high score or clear marathon so fast. Metroid is like dark souls, you don't know where to go at first but once you make it a part of yourself, you know. But those are all single player with minor other player interference. Fighting games are ALL player interference, so it's as much skill as a battle of wits. Like playing chess but there are no turns, only how fast you can move one piece at a time within its normal moveset, having to take your hand off the piece each time a move is completed, just like pressing a button. All of this to say that competitive smash is harder than dark souls.
0 likesProb not a whole lot to add to all the praise here but the way you sketched this out to be accessible to more knowledgeable players like myself while also appealing to new smashers is extremely appealing. Great video! Thanks for the quality entertainment.
0 likesConflating Ultimate's community with Melee's is the most common mistake any newcomer to the scene can commit. They try to get along but, ultimately, they are two different entities.
0 likesMe 1 and half hours ago: "dafuq this is over an hour long? I dont even follow competitive smash."
1625 likesMe an hour in: "What happened to the other gods!?!?!?!?"
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Daniel von Strangle that was his peak sadly. The ice climbers player who disliked wobbling
21 likes@Daniel von Strangle Ice Climbers as a character had been soft banned or else outright banned due to having an infinite unblockable grab combo for years. That year that Wobbles made it to EVO grand finals was the first year that the Icies were unbanned, and Wobbles was ready to take advantage of other player's lack of matchup knowledge.
26 likesTo his credit, it takes a lot of skill to land the Ice Climbers Infinite, and even going forward to this day, the Ice Climbers are a pair that rewards putting an insane amount of skill into the character for some brutal 0% to death inescapable combos across all games in the Smash series that they're in.
I didn't realize it was over a hour long untill I read this comment
6 likes@Zazou_MM same
0 likesthe idea of the "five gods" is pretty much dead as, in the state melee is in right now, literally anybody can beat anybody. like Magi beating Mango at Genesis last year or iBDw beating Hbox. melee is great in 2020!!!!!!
19 likeswell i know Mew2King has played some pokemon against alpharad XD the rest i dont know
1 likeMimiga top players beat each other all the time; it’s not too unusual; even in the era of the Gods
1 likethey went to the better smash game XD. They are debating even having melee anymore.
0 likes@maxspecs Literally nobody ever has banned Ice Climbers. Wobbling was banned, and was unbanned for EVO. It's starting to be banned again today.
7 likes>It takes a lot of skill to land the Ice Climbers Infinite
https://twitter.com/RyobeatPeach/status/1093739470833242112
@NR Robin what. this comment is absolutely untrue lol
6 likes@Dustin Marshall is that why it was cut from evo lol? the only people who still play melee are neck beards who got decent and dont want to give it up. Like the video said even the pros are swapping over.
0 likes@NR Robin Did you even watch the video? Melee is bigger than ever before. I'm 90% sure mew2king will come back, just like when he left melee for a while to play smash4 or when Leffen left melee for a while to play DBFZ.
7 likesThe game was cut from Evo when it had the second biggest viewership (after SFV), not because of it getting old, but because Mr.Wiz had to aquire hundreds of old and heavy crts for the event, which is probably more effort than it's worth when they can fill with other games.
Even then melee has always had more important events than Evo, like Genesis, SmashNSplash, Summit, Shine, Supersmashcon, etc.
A quick summary of what happened with each one:
4 likesArmada: Retired in mid-late 2018 due to feeling that he had accomplished everything he wanted to in melee. He's now trying his hand at Super Smash Bros Ultimate while also diverting more focus to his stream and YouTube Channel. He also occasionally commentates matches.
Mew2king: Is trying to expand into different endeavors, such as: Growing his YouTube Channel, stream and his partially owned e-sports talent agency, MVG. He's also writing a book, which he says is his main focus right now. He remained largely inactive in 2019, and only really entered (and did well) very late into the year. He is somewhat trying his hand at Super Smash Bros Ultimate as well.
Dr. PeePee/PPMD: Has been on hiatus since march 2016 due to medical issues. On 2019 he started streaming and giving constant updates about his health, which is ever more opmistic. In 2020 he attended a tournament but did not participate, which has led people to believe he may be retired.
Mang0: Still consistently enters tournaments, but has had some quite uneven placings in recent years. He doesn't always play at 100%, but in 2019 he seemed to have had somewhat of a return to form, having won major tournaments, but is still nowhere near his level of dominance in earlier years. He has a very large stream, by far the most succesful of the bunch, having 6k+ subs consistently, which means he is not very dependant on tournament performance.
@NR Robin You literally do not keep up with the Melee scene then. Evo stopped hosting it because the players prefer CRTs instead of monitors and Mr. Wizard was unwilling to accommodate despite Melee typically bringing in more viewers than almost every other game. Mr. Wizard simply never has liked Melee and he never will, but the community doesn't need Evo and most of the top players dislike the lame 2 out of 3 format for Melee anyway.
11 likesA Melee tournament in January had over 1000 attendees, nearly as many as the brand new game that you're talking about. This same tournament had over 100k viewers. Now if that's a dead game then literally the majority of professional, competitive video games are dead or dying.
Furthermore, yes Melee players tried the new game out. Almost every single one continued to play Mfelee and most of them really just played it on the side and still only entered Melee events or at worst entered for both games. As of now, almost every player has dropped Ultimate to return to Melee full time. There are a few that continue to play it, but mainly for fun as very few have actually stuck with the game as a source of competition.
Just last weekend there was a Melee invitational with a $65,000 pot prize. So, nah man, Melee is thriving just as it has for years and it will continue to do so as Ultimate begins to die in a couple years, then the next installment of the series is eereleased, and we start this entire process over again, where I have to tell misinformed trolls like you that Melee isn't dying and the new game will never have the dedicated fanbase that Melee does because the new games will never be as amazing and beautiful as Melee. People love Melee so they'll never let it die, it's not just the next new game to hop on. It has survived three new installments to the series and it has grown. But you definitely won because you triggered me enough to type this long post to defend a game that I love and that the people in that video love.
I better see yall at a tournament
0 likesNR Robin Melee still doing more twitch views than any other fighting games but yeah, sure no one gives a shit about melee anymore!
0 likes@Daniel von Strangle He certainly was the underdog. I talked to him after and he told me that he was retiring, because that performance was his peak. Sad to see him go.
0 likesArmada: retired, just playing Smash Ultimate, and continue making melee content and be commentator some times.
1 likeMew2king: Still playing but to much cause he's writing a book, he continue beating hungrybox the last times they play.
Dr. PP: retired for health problems but last year appear on Twitch again.
Mang0: continue playing, last year have one of his best in a long time. He's playing amazing.
Fun fact: at the day the gods have lose to some others players, but there are just a few that can consistently beat more than 3 gods, they are Leffen, Plup, Zain (He never going against Armada cause he retired before his rise).
Lol i never notice the length till im like 15 mins in then im like damn how tf long is this?? Ohhhh
0 likes@Hesandil lmao why make stuff up? anyone can go on twitch and see that you're wrong. Took me five seconds to go on twitch to see dragonball fighters has more viewers and more followers than melee.
0 likesbigDingDong69 oh is there soooooo much of a story for you! Go into old VOD’s of tounaments. There’s such a rich history of melee that would be best if you watched yourself
0 likes@NR Robin fighterz has more viewers currently because it just got a massive update and everyone's returning to playing it after the initial hype died down (the game was that popular the first year too, but a somewhat underwhelming 2nd season kinda dropped its relevancy and viewers) If we were talking 2019 then Melee definitely had higher average viewer counts, which is very impressive for a 19 year game compared to a 3 year game that just had one of the biggest EVO debuts of all time.
1 likeAs someone that plays DBFZ and doesnt play melee, melee would have much higher numbers if season 3 never happened (I don't know how long DBFZ will hold up its numbers but i can't imagine this spike will be long term). Saying its doing better numbers than all fighting games is a stretch but its certainly up there
Great video! my first viewing of this channel. Earned a sub
1 likeAyo hungry box we always be an inspiration and a gaming god
0 likesLeffen is the true villain of Melee
1 likeDamn bruh some moments in this video got me more hyped up then any1 in that crowd istg
1 likeAn hour and a half ago I knew nothing about competitive Melee and now I'm a giant hungrybox fan. Literally all odds and all of the community against him and the guy never gives up and becomes the best, it's so damn inspirational. This video was so sick.
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He has a youtube channel, check his shit out, pretty entertaining.
19 likessame! maybe i've always gravitated towards heels, but man, this guy and his valiant fight against his status as melee's definitive underdog is just so charming. what a guy.
10 likesEarly video, I was like you and wanted to like Armada. He and I are two non Americans representing in America but at the end, I respect Hbox and am more of a fan of him
7 likesThat's how I feel too now
0 likessame, living the anerican dream, good on him, still not gonna watch professional melee...or really any professional sports, but good on him.
1 like@tuseroni Had a stroke pronouncing American but I get the message you're trying to say
5 likesMe too
0 likesHungrybox is the CR7 of Melee.
4 likesWorks hard
Always tries to come on top
Has had a hard time and streaks of loses
Kinda arrogant
Demonstrates why by playing and not only by boasting
Became one of the most dominant players on his prime
HBox, if you get to here and read this, remember the good words of Cristiano:
"Everything's possible. There's always a solution to everything except death. Life's beautiful."
Have a good day man, never stop fighting.
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its more like José Mourinho of Melee, regarding the playing style and accolades
0 likes@Modestas Bakas id call him that, but he ain't going down yet
0 likesThis is a love letter to hungrybox.
0 likesIf you ask me, hungrybox is the best melee player. Full stop.
1 likeThere will Never Ever be Another Youtuber like EmpLemon.
1 like"And last but not least.. Melee's new generation would be cemented with the rise of it's 5th god.. D R P E E P E E
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when i heard this line i deadass almost died from choking on water i was laughing so hard
94 likesThe doctor is IN
72 likes@Vesdus in it and in it DEEP baby
48 likes@B2099 😳😳
8 likes@B2099 Wut u mean?
6 likes@Pokemon Master Matt you are too young to know yet
10 likes@Pokemon Master Matt a secret only the lost souls can know..
5 likes@GBIM3 Ok
3 likesYes but that fucking alliteration at the end was just just perfect.
3 likesMy favourite part
0 likes@B2099 haha.
1 likeHungrybox is GOD. Please make more gaming docs man. Or just more docs in general lol. You have such a grasp on anything you cover. You tell the story beautifully
0 likesSo you’re saying that this man Hungrybox is actually real life Vegeta?
0 likesHungrybox is definitely smash' main character
1 likeHungry box isn’t just the best player, he’s a pioneer who showed melee players a new way to win competitively. It’s shameful that he has been despised for being playing as optimally as possible, just like every other true competitive player.
0 likesThrowing a crab at someone is probably the most Maryland thing I've heard of
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If it's Maryland that is a blue crab and since it's red that means it's cooked! (Hello from VA)
29 likesI live in Maryland and I wish I was there to see it
6 likesYou just showed me something to ask my Delaware friend. Ty.
2 likesCrab cakes and football, thats what Maryland DOES!!!
4 likesimagine if the guy actually threw it as a symbol
1 likehey I am a marylander and I take this personally
1 like@Krondelo yes perfect
1 likeMaryland is the only state where getting crabs on the first date is a good idea
2 likesWe don't deserve EmpLemon
2 likeshonestly, don't give a damn about competitions like this, but... this was really entertaining to watch
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0 likesNotice a pattern: everyone who wasn't american always took him by 1 spot, and then when he got #1 it was all top americans
48:19 Young Gandalf and Tony Clifton time traveled just to watch Hungrybox play live at EVO.
0 likes"The Melee community sees Hungrybox how the rest of the fighting game community sees Melee."
947 likesThat is the most scathing line I've heard today.
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I don’t get it?
3 likesPlease explain
@Yoshi The Bear The Melee community hates Hungrybox because he doesn't fit in with what they think Melee should be. The FGC hates Melee because it doesn't fit in with what they think a fighting game should be.
146 likes@Zooker thx
5 likesFcuking wrecked
4 likes@Zooker so wait hbox is technically a normal fg pro?
5 likes@A1 Fromdisc No, not at all. The FGC hates Melee because they think it takes less skill than a normal fighting game, and the Melee community hates Hungry box because they think Puff takes less skill than other top tiers. HBox is about as far from a formal FG player as you can get.
48 likes@Lyrical_images20 Please watch the video.
18 likes@Zooker it’s so hypocritical
1 like@ZigZack Yes, it is! He says that in the video! Within the embarrassment that is the Smash community, the Melee community is an embarrassment within an embarrassment.
19 likes@Lyrical_images20 Mainly because jigglypuff considered one of the best characters in melee and because of how easy she is to use most people consider her as boring to watch. As for ultimate she isn't as good in that game and most unintentional features from melee have been removed completely or changed. She does get pretty hard countered by Fox though.
3 likes@Zooker Well also cause the melee community get''s pretty toxic.
4 likes@lProN00bl and there was a serious hygiene problem that every other fgc agreed melee players had
5 likes@Lyrical_images20 watch the video bro
2 likesIt’s clear that you’ve missed something
@Zooker If that's the main reason the fgc hates on melee, they're delusional as hell. There isn't a fighting game that comes even close to melee's depth like the game or not.
1 likeThere are plenty of reasons to dislike the melee community, the game shouldn't be among them. There's a reason it's lived for almost 20years.
1 likeThis video also made me realise exactly why WWE is so popular even though it's fake.
1 likeMango having tattoos, a bigger beard and longer hair than Hungrybox, makes him look like his evolution
3 likesiIshowed my parrents my brother and my sister this video and i still cant get enough amazing job emp.
0 likesLove the video, but one thing that's missing is an explanation of how the tournament works. I'm still confused how he makes it to the grand final from the losers bracket.
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The winner of losers finals gets to challenge the winner of winners bracket. The losers bracket player must win 1 set to reset the match, and whoever wins that set will win
1 likeIt’s actually ironic how everyone would be playing as Fox and once Hbox starts winning they start complaining about jigglypuff
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What’s ironic is actually that jigglypuff shuts down more characters than fox, low tiers can hit fox pretty damn hard due to him being a fast faller. Puff shuts down peach, pikachu, ice climbers, virtually every character below game and watch. A good enough player can beat fox. To say puff adds variety is disingenuous, Axe didn’t win summit with pikachu because Puff was played over another fox, falco, marth, shiek. Axe only won cus he dodged Hbox in bracket
94 likesLuke Rose dude I get where you are coming from but saying that Axe “dodged” hbox is also not giving him enough credit. He won. While he had a good bracket to succeed in, it doesn’t diminish his win. You could say a player only won because they dodged for literally every player then. A victory is deserved no matter what type of bracket they have.
64 likesMichael Rubalcava I’m not saying Axe didn’t earn that tournament. He went off the entire time. His run was awesome, but had Hbox not gotten knocked down early he would’ve had a much lower chance of success. He’s taken like one tournament set against Hbox in his entire career
11 likesLuke Rose oh ok, I thought you were just saying that Axe’s win wasn’t as deserved because of hbox’a absence. I interpreted wrong, my b. I have just seen a lot of people say stuff about how so and so play wouldn’t have one because of another player, which I think is a terrible outlook. Sorry for that misunderstanding that I had.
20 likesThey complain about Jigglypuff because the character has the reputation of being boring, not Fox.
5 likesrockmemanu your comment is literally right in every way, you perfectly said it.
1 like@Daniel Bailey I wouldn't. The puff play is "Take a stock and stop playing the game". The best way to play puff is to *STALL*. Fox is interesting to watch, and somewhat interesting to fight. Puff is "I'mma run and you can't do shit because I have stupid disjoints"
1 likeSmash Ultimate does not have tripping. Melee players need to grow up, their argument isn't even valid anymore. They just want to play Fox, really badly.
4 likes@CrispyBaguette well i find it boring seeing fox in a tournament more than a jiggly puff.
7 likes@- _Andreas_ - There's nothing wrong with that :)
2 likes@BowlUndrFire I mean melee has deeper movement options and interactions then ult but sure.
2 likes@Daniel Bailey Calling one of the most complex matchups in the game "braindead". This is how any actual Melee player knows you don't know anything about the game.
3 likesIts so funny how half this comment thread is unironically thinking Puff isnt so bad when 1:06:39 was shown in the video. Like I get prefferences of not wanting to watch Fox but man this is a long shot.
4 likes@GatorSSBM This entire comments section (nay, video) is such a travesty of people not knowing what they don't know lol. spectators thinking they know the game
2 likesI mean it’s clearly a bad matchup for jigglypuff, I can confirm as a jigglypuff main in melee and ultimate. Hungry box has just put so much hard work into the matchup that he was able to make it almost even with his playstyle. The fact that he doesn’t do friendlies and quote on quote keeps his puff a trade secret makes it possible for other puff players to make the same journey. I’ve really enjoyed learning the matchup and other impurities my gameplay has.
1 likeJigglypuff really is being screamed at without even having a favorable matchup against fox, the most played and arguably best character in melee.
@MKsomething I mean it's definitely debatable whether Puff loses to Fox at top level. She has a lot of tools that other characters don't to deal with some of Fox's strongest elements.
1 likeAnd even if Puff Fox is slightly Fox favored, that would be the only matchup in the game that Puff loses. Every other character has at least one unfavorable matchup (except maybe Marth).
Do you think he would have felt the same way if would have been a nicely cooked crab?
1 likeIt is crazy how one can get so much hate from one small thing. At least he had the balls to keep trying for so many years. Not even the other 4 gods would do that!
0 likesand that children is how I watched an hour and a half long documentary on Hungrybox
1 likeThis reminds me of how little I actually know about smash bros. I'm a casual, no where near "good". Somehow though I was the best player in my school, to this day I'm still confused.
0 likesMango cared about melee more than school. Hungrybox cared about school more than melee. The difference is that Hbox still schooled Mango in the end.
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Except Mango has beat Hbox more than him
28 likes@UltimateShamrock that is only toppled by sheer time, and it will be.
43 likesMy husband went to high school with HBox and he skipped a week of school to go to a tournament in Cali. He did well in school though :)
111 likes@Super lol no im a fan of his but it's pretty clear that hbox's time at the top is over for now, people are adapting and he's been doing pretty poorly
28 likes@coscove uh oh
1 like@coscove I think part of it might be that he's focusing on streaming more, you can make way more money that way
20 likes@ONO no doubt, and i'm glad his stream is doing well and that he's enjoying ultimate. He also said he was gonna start practicing melee more soon so we'll see how he does
41 likesHow did he school him?
0 likesThe difference is that mango is fine with who he is and doesn't care about what others think while hbox is super insecure constantly needing approval/validation. Think I'll take the former, when an older person is asked for some life tips an often response is to not care what others think and live true to yourself. That's pretty much mango.
14 likes@kofe87 I disagree, the video already made the point that mango felt pressured to switch mains, I've got tons of respect for hbox not changing because of backlash
22 likes@ONO yeah, the video that's heavily biased towards hbox made a point about mango...ok.
3 likesMy point still stands because their overall approach to things are how I mentioned, mango's just livin and hbox seeks validation. You don't need to hyper focus on one particular thing, like you attempted to do, to see that.
@kofe87 devalidating a source doesn't change the fact that he switched mains. I get you like mango but you need to chill out. Everyone is just a person and they all have flaws, no one thinks your cool for shit talking people with trauma and issues
11 likes@kofe87 I just did 5 minutes of research and it's well known that mango swapped because of criticism. RoM pointed this out and there's tons of sources showing mango swapped from criticism, that's fine and I'm not out here trying to attack mango but he's not impervious to pressure and will just live life however he wants.
11 likes@ONO You missed the point of my reply. The source is not relevant. It's that you hyper focused on one thing when my original comment was about both of them in general/overall. And in general/overall mango doesn't really care about what others think and just lives life on his own terms. While hbox does care. And by the way, making that obvious observation is not shit talking. It's just what it is. lol the end of your reply...wow defensive much.
0 likes@ONO A double down huh, nice, it's like the words went in one ear and out the other.
0 likes@kofe87 i don't really care about your overall point, I'm just bringing up the part I had an issue with, mango does care and he's not impervious to crowd effects, treating athletes like people is important and generalisations don't do that. Not everything is about you
4 likes@kofe87 also personally I'm happy hbox is trying to change, he was kind of a piece of shit and if he was more like mango and didn't even try to change then I don't think i could support him. Learning and growing is more important then just living the life you want to live
4 likes@kofe87 also I'm not understanding what's defensive about my comment. I just don't want to be misunderstood, I have a lot of respect for mango and I wouldn't want to give the impression that calling him out on swapping because people didn't like his main is an issue
3 likesMango still makes more money lmaoo
2 likes@HitchHikr's Guide Yes ikr money is everything fuck integrity
7 likestoo perfect
0 likes@Daniel von Strangle i mean hungrybox is an amazing player for sure, but puff is 100% a great character, possibly the best in the game
0 likes@coscove nah, why isn't the leader board full of puff then? Seems like a glass cannon to me
0 likes@ONO if you think puff isn't a great character you clearly don't know enough about melee for me to bother arguing with you
1 like@coscove first of all that's not how arguments work, there are people who think sheik is still the best in the game. Arguments are about stating evidence which you gave none. Also I do think puff is top tier but she's definitely not the best in the game or broken. Rest is her strongest comeback mechanic but you can't use it at any percent or safely because unless the opponent gets a long ko animation it's just a trade. Also as we all saw from bayo, meta Knight, etc. People will use whichever character is obviously the strongest in the game with no restrictions on if they should use the character. Don't try dismissing an argument because you're a melee "expert" people are allowed to have opinions
1 like@ONO i agree puff is not broken, certainly not as dumb as mk or bayo in brawl and 4, and if you can agree she's top tier that's as far as this needs to go, don't really feel like wasting my time on one of those 20 comment long debates. but lemme ask who would you say is "definitely" better than puff?
0 likeshell yeah, brother
0 likes@PrfsrPuff I love you
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0 likesAlso, Ultimate doesn't have tripping. Just. Play. Ultimate.
0 likesImagine if H-box went all in and did what Mango did.
1 likeSchool is important
1 likeIf you don't care about it your gonna be washed out quickly no matter how much practice you do
GOTTTEM.
0 likes@coscove these online results don't affect their placements so technically he is the king of LAN not online
1 likeStop stop hes already dead!
1 like@coscove hmmm I see him very focused on ultimate in his streams and he just won his first online ultimate tournament with solo puff so I dunno his plan
1 like@coscove nah online absolutely affects playing, some more than others but just look at Leo or any pro player on lag. Hbox definitely doesn't look like he's interested in the competitive scene compared to the past though
1 like@coscove melee is way more technical though, you need to be essentially frame perfect and no matter how good netplay is there will always be lag
1 like@coscove what argument are you trying to make? It's an agreed fact that online is inferior to lan, this isn't a smash specific issue. Less lag is always better but no lag will be the best, why do you think top players need the best equipment (less input latency, less monitor latency), It's all about trying to achieve as little latency as possible
1 like@ONO man you don't listen hahaha
0 likesthe “heel Hbox” scene beginning at 42:20 is my favorite in this documentary. It shows how hbox was coping with his weak suits and how he was beginning to be hated for his playstyle, and how he overcame it
1 likeI fucking loved that docu by Travis. No prior knowledge about the scene, just popped up in my youtube feed someday almost ten years ago. What a great docu!
0 likes2 years later and this video helps new comers learn the history
0 likesThat was sad to see no one cheering for him when he turns around to a disappointed crowd shuffling out before he even unplugs his controller. Like damn, all those people showed up for him to lose, not for the other dude to win. (I could be wrong about that too, idk what was in their minds) Kinda messed up.
0 likesTuned in for a success story. Left with a modern tragedy. Even though I’m not a huge fan of Melee and their community, I adore Hungrybox and genuinely hope others change their toxic ways
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melee community gets a really bad rap because of extremely online spectators and local scenes having less overlap than you'd think
30 likesshould at least look a little closer, the fact you at least respect HBox shows you see and recognize what good play is worth
The people that play melee and the people who watch are vastly different. Another case of a million wannabes dictating how people should be
13 likesThere will never ever be another compilation of modern tragedies like Never Ever
3 likesalso, do it for dale #3
1 like@56mdk The scariest thing about that is, when the mass public believes something, oftentimes that thing will eventually exist. He could have very well quit from all the hate, but he's stood his ground against his own community.
3 likesDude when you finish the video and go back and see the first 5 minutes it's juat amazing
1 like"And out of those few people, surely, no one cares enough about the outcome of a match to throw a raw crab at the winner.“
0 likesOh boy, wait until you see Argentinean soccer fans.
This was so intriguing!
0 likesI don’t even play smash and I just watched this in one sitting…. What am I doing with my life
0 likesLets be real
5383 likesThe only reason the melee community doesn't respect H-BOX is
he showers
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True
128 likesDamn, i never think of that
86 likesHow jas any one not questioned who just keeps a raw crab on them
155 likes@The mistake the smells that crab must have smelled.
87 likesfacts
10 likesSmash Players be like - sniffs "A player who practices basic hygiene? HERESY!"
103 likesoof
2 likesThe crab was cooked, it was a waste!
9 likesbro , I swear I could smell the other players from my computer screen
20 likesLMAO
1 like@The mistake it's maryland state law that you have too
6 likesWith the exception of hungrybox, the general rule is, the better they are at the game, the worse they smell
11 likesYeah that actually make sense
1 like@Fabrizio Ladelll It didn't start out cooked. The horrible sweaty body ordors cooked it.
9 likescrypto_ smash players when they learn that the kid is actually a 18 year old “My dissapointment is inmeasurable and my day is ruined”
13 likeslove them or hate them they spitting straight facts
1 likexD
0 likesEveryone showers
0 likesAnd he isnt obese
1 likeGood point
1 likeBro it does smell in tournaments even in the era of netplay, you can smell it though the screen.
2 likesWell the arena was filled with 50 sweaty people who shower monthly soooo...
2 likes@Diamond in the Sky On God bro you made me spit everywhere on my setup 😂😂😂😂😂
0 likes@The mistake what do you mean you don't ceep a live crab on you at all times?
0 likes@The mistake in Maryland it’s very common to have a crab within reach. Why? You may ask. Because, Maryland.
1 likeor because he camps.
0 likesHe doesn't groom children, he showers, and he has worked a full time job before.
8 likesUnacceptable to Smash pros.
@Crackers (PhD in Wumbology) don’t forget his boisterous, outgoing, and generally extroverted personality
3 likes@Crackers (PhD in Wumbology)no. he camps. and whenever he loses a match he cries for subs hahaha
0 likesDammmm he a fake gamer???
0 likes@Daren Fowler Camp deez nuts
1 likethat's what I thought too, he is the only one out of all of them who doesn't look like a basement dweller (not to be rude or insulting)
0 likesYeah Hbox had to shower because he had an actual life, BURN THE HEATHEN!!!
0 likesThis movie made me emotional watching the history of melee Nintendo was my childhood it was my escape from a very brutal childhood.
4 likesThis is an excellent video.
1 likeImagine if he said Mango isn't a god in 2022 lol
0 likesI've gotten back into video games in the past couple years, mostly stopped at early 90s snes and played a couple PC games every several years. While I've found there to be quite a few good people in gaming/streaming, I've also found it to be one of the most cliquey, pretentious and outright least inclusive overall communities; particularly in competitive games and speedrunning. It's seemingly reflective of an entire millenial/genZ generation. Touted (even by themselves) as generations with more tolerance and compassion, they're really just gatekeepers wearing different clothing. I really hope it doesn't continue to play out in that manner, would be a shame.
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Just know there is no pure fan base. Just play games that you like and you'll find like minded people!
0 likesI don't know how anyone could look at any of the "five gods", or players like Wizz or Plup or Axe or Wobbles, all doing their own thing and making it work, and think it's "bad" or "destroying the game" or not entertaining. We don't really want Melee to be a solved game already; perhaps ever. We want it to have this depth and this room for growth and refreshing new matchups.
0 likesI love the mentality implied by what Mango said about Jigglypuff pushing Fox - everyone is able to be what they've become, become their best, by grinding against each other like blades against sharpening stones. We needed Armada's insane Peach, Mango's sick Fox and Falco, M2K's cold and calculating Sheik and Marth, PPMD's precise Falco and Marth, the underdog Falcons like Wizz's, Axe's legendary Pikachu...we needed the number Juan's Jigglypuff. We need all the other outliers like Bizzarro's and Kage's Ganondorfs too! We can't truly appreciate Melee if we don't see what Melee has to offer, and we can't see what it has to offer if we don't let the unique and diverse players, who far exceed the game's own large cast of characters in diversity, push their playstyles to their limits.
Part of what makes Melee so appealing as a spectator sport, to someone like me who usually doesn't care for watching any sport, eSport or otherwise, is the massive tier list upsets that frequently occur, with the meta constantly shifting. Melee never gets old because the players always have more to explore, and throwing crabs at our exploration pioneers isn't nearly as fulfilling as reading stories about Jason dumping so much important data for the community, or Mango going back and forth between being a Buster and being a flashy champion, or our man Juan nailing the perfect Rest combos and off stage aerials.
what a legend
0 likesI can't believe Hungrybox became a millionaire off all this effort.
0 likesDont mind me just watching this video for the fourth time because its one of my favorite movies 🙃
1 like“Hungrybox uses rest to make sure the community doesn’t fall asleep.” -Dan Fornace
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hai
1 likeAccurate
4 likesMRT129 BUP sup
1 likeWatched this video when it first came out. Now rewatching it after Mew2King starred in a Mario Maker 2 Versus video with Simpleflips. Small world, eh?
0 likesIf you like Go, you could do a Never Ever about any one of a number of very unique players. Yi ChangHo, Cho Chikun, but the best would be Honinbo Shusaku, or wait another decade when the little girl monstrosity Sumire Nakamura will be destroying the Old Guard entirely.
0 likesthat crab tie in at the end oh my god
0 likesHow am i going to explain to my mom my "You will be good, but you will bever be the best" tatoo?
0 likesYou want my Hungrybox story? When I went to a local in Florida a couple years ago, I asked him to take a picture with my friends and I, and he obliged for a moment. He got up and then sat back down, joking and saying "Wait you were serious? Oh man," well after we were about to leave. Regardless, I sat by him before he was about to play a game of Ultimate, and told him how much of an inspiration he was to me, that I rooted for him through thick and thin because I thought he was a kick ass dude.
2080 likesNo complaints. No bad things to say about him. Love that guy.
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Yeah he really seems like a cool dude. And the fact that he thought you where joking about the picture is really sad...
215 likesDamn the fact he thought it was a joke. Like the man has been through it all and he m sure one day he’ll be able to get the love he truly deserves
124 likesI think they were implying is that the "Wait, you were serious?" Part was his joke.
38 likes@Repent or you will likewise perish. where god
6 likes@Kasa Grim yeah it’s amazing how trough it all even the tours in Iraq and the hardship of living in a third world country this guy managed to stay humble smh 🤦🏻♂️
0 likes@Zac ATTack uhhh where did that came from?
16 likes@Kasa Grim I mean he’s been through it all right
1 like@Zac ATTack Stop trying to downplay other people’s accomplishments. 😐
23 likes@Joosh im not downplaying anything it’s just not that deep
1 like@Zac ATTack No one asked.
13 likes@Joosh meh you never know 😬
0 likes@Zac ATTack ?
6 likes@OrionGabriel idk I imagine it's absolutely bonkers to live your life and then someone is asking for a picture with you. Like I get that hbox is a god of melee but that moment must have been no less than surreal
10 likes@Stuugie That is true
1 likenice Woman art on your pfp
0 likesNo, I don't want it.
0 likes@Zac ATTack Let me get this straight. By your standards, literally no-one in any first-world country has any right to feel they have overcome something hard. Even when among others from the same area.
4 likesAccomplishment is not a competition. It's about overcoming something that is challenging to a particular person. Every single person in one of those war-torn countries have accomplished something by just getting by every day, but that does not mean HBox has not.
@Zac ATTack You're resorting to comparing apples with oranges to try to downplay it. You talk as if you were any better but you're not.
1 like@mksmike my only gripe was with the comment I originally replied to saying he’s been THROUGH IT ALL, which come on that’s being very generous 🤷🏻♂️
0 likes@Zac ATTack Yeah right. If it were about how much praise you would've compared it to something it can actually be compared to, like other pro gamers, and not people who fought in a war.
2 likesNah, your gripe is with him getting praise, not with "how much praise he got".
@Zac ATTack God forbid someone uses a very common saying like "been through it all". No one ever has been through it all, there is no contextual reason here to take that phrase literally and comparing it to those with objectively worse situations. You are making a unrelated point because you lack the self awareness of why you feel the way you do. Self reflect because only you can really find that answer.
3 likes@Zac ATTack Its not that deep, youre right. So why are you coming onto a video to randomly attack people? If its not that deep, why would you do that?
1 like@Djcheb Oxbrbwi Dork? Bro what
0 likeswhy do these videos always just seem like ways for you guys to show off your video game soundtrack knowledge
0 likesHungrybox became so much of a God he has demons hating on him
0 likesBetter than anything on a paid streaming service
0 likesEndlessly rewatchable
0 likesThis man has a way with words. I feel like I'm listening to a mythology instead of just smash history. Dr. Pee Pee is an amazing name for a god lol
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That's basically Zeus lmao
25 likesShayella Reyes Chapter I: A Creator of Content I hate that you’re right, but I can at least say that you’re not ENTIRELY right.
8 likesThat title honestly belongs to Poseidon, or even Zeus’ son, Heracles!
Why's Dr. PP good?
1 like@X why not tho?
1 like@Samantha Pajala pp
0 likesPee Pee M.D.
0 likes"In any competitive video game, your character is far more important than just some colorful avatar."
0 likesCSGO skins: allow me to introduce myself
9:26 melee was a smash hit
0 likesI didn't know about all this, but I'm so glad I do now. Congrats! Hungrybox is such an inspiration!!! I also loved Armada :)
0 likesIt's a video essay about competitive Smash player...why the fuck am I crying?
2 likesThe range of emotion that Hbox went through when losing the match at 1:19:38 is so touching. He went from offering congratulatory fist bump after his loss, to a feeling of discouragement after his opponent leaves him hanging to start celebrating, to overcoming that feeling and maintaining good sportsmanship by continuing to extend the congratulating fist bump, to melting away into humility and appreciation when his opponent goes in for the real thing and gives him a hug. Beautiful.
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He turns the lost as a sign of learning and showing sportsmanship because really he was just like them before. The new guys that try to make it to the top
56 likestldr: man got left hangin
1 like@Gremlin Man Thank you
1 like17:55
0 likes"Melee's new generation would be cemented through the rise of the fifth god: DOCTOR PEE PEE."
Ok you said "His eternal reward" which made me think of the spy knife, then suddenly medics theme.
0 likes52:16
1 likeLmao this guy in the back with the Jason Alexander t-shirt got me laughing
I WILL BE THE NEW HUNGRYBOX. HUNGRYBOX 2
2 likesBut still there is no one like the original HUNGRYBOX
Man it's kinda amazing how every entry in the "never ever" series get's me hyped up and emotionally invested even though it's about a topic I never cared about at all before. EmpLemon is just really good at this. Btw much love to Hungrybox, the underappreciated gamer god.
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Check out summoning salt. He does similar vids to these about speedrunning. They're both really good about getting me invested in something I really don't care about lol.
6 likesI've never felt as excited as when I was watching Hungrybox finally beat armada and take it all
1 likeBesides his first Never ever sponge bob video, he’s covered topics that aren’t very popular. I really respect the way emp runs his channel.
0 likesMaryland native here. We are famous for having some of the best hardshell crabs to eat and by far the best crab cakes you can get on planet earth. That boy who threw the crab was a local for sure although his intent may never be fully known.
0 likesamazing story for hungrybox
0 likesHbox is my favorite smash player.
0 likesI main puff in smash Ultimate and my brother absolutely hates me for it. He always says I spam arial attacks, then he is complaining about the down tilt, then he says puff’s specials are too op and you can win just by spamming specials. Everything my brother says contradicts what he said previously. People will always find a reason to hate puff, just to have something to hate.
Yo melee community RESPECT what this guy went through and he didn’t quit his career(melee)
0 likes"in his time, there four others like him. Now there's just Juan."
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Noice
13 likes"Soo it's only me.."
1 likeEmplemon makes me care about things that I thought I wouldn't give a Rat's ass in my life I love emplemon
5 likesThanks
1 likeMade me chuckle
2 likesWhat about mango or m2k?
1 likecrazy, maybe the guy who threw the crab at him thought he was hungry, little did he know he wanted to box.
0 likesi literally cant stop watching this video
0 likesI think this video just gave me confirmation bias about the toxicity of the melee community
3 likesI only worry that now that you've posted this everyone will love him and he will have no adversity from the community, leading to him losing the drive to compete. :/
0 likesI love that as soon as he becomes "Heel HBox" HE slicks his hair back and puts on the shades, dude's a disney movie villain
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Or a professional wrestler
34 likesHe went full-on Miz
12 likesHe just turned into vergil from dmc
9 likes@PEPPA Chicken
4 likesHaha funni gey comment haha funni
@PEPPA Chicken Being gay is a great insult my friend. If you call someone gay there is no way they could come back from that and they will live their lives in absolute stress, fear, and sorrow knowing they have been doomed by being called gay. Being gay is such a bad thing, and it should be used as an insult very often. You can’t be gay, so it’s a good insult. Also, you can’t be gay and say what my friend did. You can’t love who you love. It’s a terrible thing to love the same gender.
7 likesAll jokes aside...really...? Calling someone gay..? How low have people gone down to..?
@Cuddlesxoxo OK zoomer
2 likes@PEPPA Chicken Copy almost all of my sentences from my last response, except for a few, and just replace the word gay with zoomer. I feel like I no longer have the will to live. x.x
1 like@Cuddlesxoxo well put
0 likes@PEPPA Chicken 🙄
0 likesHonestly I could see a disney movie where the main villain gets defeated by getting hit with a crab
0 likes@themysticfiremario9001 Thank you. :3
0 likes@Karma you don’t know what an incel is huh
0 likesTimestamp?
0 likesAlso stop arguing about Gay=Insult.
0 likeslol @ all the mad gays in these comments
0 likesI’ve had this video recommended so many times and I said I would watch it eventually. I did that today.
0 likesI got goosebumps so many times watching this. To say this video was phenomenal is almost an insult. I can’t find words to say how great this was. Emp, You may not see this comment, but I hope you know deep down: this was a glorious masterpiece. Thank you for sharing this to the world
Amazing documentary. Cheers man!
0 likes"Judgments are not bad things; they are guides to where we are still rejecting and resenting ourselves." - Dr. Gabor Maté
0 likesThis guy beat the wombo combo creator
1 likeIve watched this like 5 times and the part that really stuck out to me is when HBox says "Its tough for everyone. Its not easier for Puff or for Fox or for Falco. Its all hard. So just... get better". Its not only a good perspective to have on competitive Melee but for life in general. Life is hard for everyone and i think thats a healthy and mature perspective to have. I try to tell myself this every day now and i think it helps. Thanks for never giving up HBox and thanks for making top-tier youtube videos EMP.
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This really stuck out for me too. Life’s hard and unfair most of the time, and really you can only push through and get better with dealing at the hardness of life. Good stuff Hbox
1 likeIt's funny how it's always the weakest guy starting something and always being afraid to finish it. Why throw a crab if you were going to puss out
0 likesGod bless you, HungryBox 🙏🏾
3 likesamazing work.
0 likes59:59 what a goddamn photo. one of the greatest i’ve seen
1 like1:19:41 Look at him! He's genuinely so happy to beat one of the best players of Melee in the world! He literally gave Hungrybox a hug. If you looked at him, and you were in that position, wouldn't anyone feel the same way?
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The thing that gets me about it is the look on HB's face. For a second it looks like IBDW'S not going to reciprocate the fist bump, and HB kinda looks like he's accepted that he's gonna be disrespected (as he so often is). Then dude goes for the hug and when he pulls away, you can tell HB's expression brightens a little. Maybe it's just my imagination, but either way, it's extremely wholesome.
42 likesAlso sorry for the reply on your month-old comment. Lol.
@Fletcher I mean people are still watching this vid so I suppose it is expected for new comments to continue arising
4 likes@Ice God yes like this one
1 likeor this one
0 likesOr maybe even this one😳😳😳
0 likesFire Keeper what about this one?
2 likes@Fletcher you're good man
1 likeHonestly very inspiring. Coming from someone who's not at all familiar with the competitive smash community but is aware of it's existence, the core message that really resonated with me is that one can't succeed without failing. Reflecting on your failures and then putting in the hard work in to overcome them is crucial for one's growth. Hbox even says it succinctly at the end. Thanks for the great video Emp.
0 likes44:03 Epic Chad As F moment
2 likesThis some real life Cobrakai storytelling XD
1 likeMasterpiece.
0 likesCrunch is like the Speedwagon of the story
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I understood that reference
70 likesIs this an Eva reference?
46 likesIs that a fucking
40 likespersonaJojo reference ?Is this a meme reference?
9 likes@Jonni no everyone didn’t die in jojo
7 likesI can’t go anywhere without seeing jojo
8 likesjojo reference?
2 likes@chilliadistudios it's the sad truth kiddo...
9 likes@xXFire Demon51Xx I wouldn’t say that bro
0 likes@FluX Nugget I mean you have a point I did forget about part 6
0 likeslook up this thing called a mentor it will blow your mind
2 likes@xXFire Demon51Xx made in heaven
0 likesSpeedwagon best waifu
0 likesSpeedwagon best character
0 likesjjba is my favourite anime
0 likesWas that a jojo reference?!
0 likes@viggos channel ehh. It seemed annoying with an annoying community, then I watched it and loved it, then I realised the show had no replay quality and the community was just people who say the same jokes over and over and people who bully people who find them annoying. I only keep this name and pfp cause it attracts subs, and makes my old shitty jokes actually make sense
1 likeP4 is best no cap
0 likesAh yes another EVA reference
0 likesThe best waifu?
0 likes@Wellifailed Bait
0 likesThat's....... An extremely high Honor....... There's the Nobel Prize, the medal of Valor, Certified Good Classic, and Speedwagon.
0 likesI don't get it
1 likethe what?
0 likesPp reference?
0 likes@Calipo speedwagon gay!!!!!1111!!!
0 likesEvangelion moment
0 likesJojo was a melee reference
0 likesJ O J O
0 likesSo the best waifu?
0 likesThe fact that I understand exactly what you mean is kinda sad and hilarious at the same time.
0 likesI Giorno Giovannna have spotted a JoJo’s reference.z a
1 likeof all my years on youtube this is the best video ive ever seen
0 likesHonestly i have way more respect for people who go against the norm and decide to bend a tournament towards them by becoming gods with a character.
0 likesThen just picking the one who everyone uses.
The meta slave virgins top 5 fox players
vs.
The Gigachad Jigglypuff champion
this is a fucking masterpeice
1 likeThe 5 gods never die they follow next generation like they are the legends of ages.
0 likesImagine dedicating that much of your life to becoming best in the world to silence the naysayers, only to have them double down. Holy shit. HBox has the dedication of a saint.
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Imagine playing a game that is actually competitive and has Asians playing it.
4 likesa 2saint lmao
2 likes@GorgeousFortress Asians aren't biologically better, it's just more common to have strong work ethic in Asian families, so hbox definitely has what it takes in that respect.
4 likesYou may hate the Demon Balloon, but respect those behind her. Especially HBOX
0 likesYeah. No one wants to run away for 8 minutes at a time 😂
1 likeKeeping going hbox
1 like"You'll be good but you'll never be the best"
0 likesYikes, I mean that might be realistic, but that cuts deep...
This legitimately feels like a tournament anime.
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Smash bros scene is an anime pretty much
42 likesthat's art :)
10 likesJeez, good to know i wasnt the only one who felt that way
2 likesI mean every time Armada appears he does the glasses thing
11 likesWhat do you think those things are modeled after :3
5 likesHungrybox is the protagonist confirmed
2 likesI never new about Hbox's era of losing because I didn't know about melee until a few years after he started dominating. Also, I grew up with brawl and love alot. Snake is the best character. There is no debate.
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?? First of all meta knight is the best brawl character by a long shot he literally has his own tier for that very reason. And sadly hbox is loosing currently, he will probably pick up the prices and win soon though.
0 likesThis is such a good documentary!!!
0 likesThe amount of times I've watched this is not healthy
0 likesCan we just respect the fact that someone actually took the time to go through all these smash records and videos and recordings to make this
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Not hard to find when you know where to look, believe it or not.
6 likesHow else would it have been made?
1 likeThe internet is forever
0 likesNo, it's some dude doing the job he's paid for. I don't respect people for going to work.
0 likesIt'd be so sick if you focused this much attention on an MMA personality. 1.5 hours of trails and tribulations? Sheeeet.
0 likesI can't stand super long YouTube videos.
1 like(an hour and a half later)
I can't stand MOST super long YouTube videos.
This was phenomenal. 👏
One of the best videos I have seen a while
0 likesi was expecting to see a bunch of hateful comments against hungrybox, i'm glad i saw so many nice comments, keep on pushing hungrybox!
0 likesThe fifth god, dr. Peepee. I absolutely could not take this phrase seriously.
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'.' he goes by PPMD now , man was hella talented, his take on shadow boxing as a tool for practice & how deep he goes into theorying tech chases(strings of 50/50 or otherwise variable choices by each player that can result in escaping or continuing a string of hits) still makes him very influencial too. He's to the player v player interactions what Mew2King was to the core functions of the game & had the talent to apply it against the best besides.
78 likessure I know that he goes by PPMD now but since he was one of the “gods”, your peepee WAY to much. It’s epic.
10 likes“MD” stands for doctor of medicine, its like a doctors credentials. So PPMD is still Dr. Peepee but it does sound a little better ig
16 likes@Broadbull, Enabler of Uncounted Combos It's sad because the man could have done so much more, but he got his career cut short. Hopefully PP comes back eventually.
0 likesholy fucking crabs, i watched the video till 6:00 and thought that that's it, and it was just the opening for this legendary story
1 likeA masterpiece
1 like7:27 I’ve been playing smash bros games since I was a kid and I had no idea that’s what the percentage mean, I just assumed it was damage
0 likesYet another reason to hate fighting games
0 likesHungrybox didn’t deserve this. Imagine being so determined to win, using the boos against you to give you confidence, and after you reach the top, there isn’t anyone to congratulate you.
In order to be loved, you first must be hated.
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And you must be hated to learn how to appreciate love
31 likesWords spoken by a great man
3 likes“I understood that reference”
5 likeswhat about babies
6 likesAll of these videos are at the Top 20 of the site
0 likesWhat about Mango?
0 likesfree to use violin track intensifies
0 likesWhat are you referencing?
1 likeThat's bullshit
2 likesMatt M it’s from the never ever episode on Monday night raw.
3 likes@Billyh Thanks bae.
0 likesThat doesn't male any sense
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron it's a reference to a different Never Ever episode
1 like@GY1415 I get it, but that still doesn't make any sense
0 likes"In order to be loved, beat the shit out of your boss" Sakurai vs Hbox exhibition match?
0 likes@Trash Can it's like saying in order to get hated you must get loved. Who tf writes these things
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron people who want to sound deep, but don't know how.
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron it makes a bit more sense in the context of the video, which is the one that comes from the one on professional wrestling. It begins a trend that shows up frequently throughout the video. Basically it's a literary device.
1 like@GY1415 what does wrestling have to do with anything if this?
0 likes@Trash Can yeah, lol
0 likesthis dosent apply to mang0
0 likes@Tyler McDonald this doesn't apply to anyone who is normal
3 likesHungrybox is an inspiration even to those who don't play smash... Prove me wrong.
0 likesHungrybox is literally the Itachi of the Melee community, but the sad part is that the community know his struggles to be the best and still dislike him. That just shows how bad of a race the human race is.
0 likesWell, as someone who is not a part of the melee community at all. I can definitively say after watching this video, fuck that community.
1 likeNow I get why YT was recommending me this for so long. Worth 1.5 hours of my life!
0 likesI watched this entirely without noticing that it was over an hour, truly an amazing video.
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Ikr I was fifteen minutes in and realized this is long and was like... AN HOUR!?
10 likes+1
0 likesDidn't even know until I finished it
4 likesHoly crap, you're right
1 likeSame lmao XD
0 likesSame
1 likeI watched all 5 episodes thinking it was 1 😂
0 likesThat explains why I passed out halfway through
0 likesThat's how good emp's videos are, they can grab a person so well that they get Stockholm
0 likesOh shit...
0 likesI'm baffled
I thought this was like 20 minutes long and then someone said “this dude making movies and releasing them for free” and I was like um whut u mean it’s like 20 minutes long then when I finished I was like WHAT THIS WAS 1 HOUR LONG WTF
0 likesSame lmao
0 likesthought it was like 30 minutes, at 1 hour 20 minutes in I finally realized i'd been sitting there for nearly an hour and a half.
0 likesIs no one going to talk about how that spectator had a raw crab on him?
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It’s Maryland. It’s expected.
0 likesWait so who threw the crab? And how did he get the name hungry box?
0 likesIt was a cooked crab. Maryland has blue crab if it was raw. But yes, respect for how hard the man work. He was hungry enough to win it.
0 likesLoving the TF2 snippets in here. From Team Fabulous 2 to Snipers main theme.
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GIVE ME YOUR HAT
0 likesFirst WWE.
420 likesThen Nascar.
Now Melee.
EmpLemon delivers again and makes me start caring about new stuff in 2020. Not bad for a YTP’er...
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Make sure to watch the latest Genesis top 8, also other smash docs like Last Stock Legends ESPECIALLY the mango Armada one
8 likes...and SpongeBob
6 likesYou mean, Pooper?
0 likes@HitchHikr's Guide Can you provide links to these videos?
0 likesNobody is gonna talk about the guy who saved earth?
7 likesOk then
Lol imagine getting angry at a random kid. FGC at its finest.
2 likes1:13:58 this part of the video is fire
0 likesI never knew any of this,so glad I found this video
0 likesReally makes me lose any respect for the melee community if they're truly salty about the top ranked player using Jiggly as his main. If you can rise to the top with any Melee character, you deserve it. I would argue that Fox is far cheaper than Jigglypuff if you're trying to make an argument like that. Funny how Fox is the dominant top tier character, yet nobody else can get to the top with Jigglypuff.
0 likesI was expecting a "Never Ever" on Melee as a game at some point.
225 likesBut this also works.
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I mean, it partially works as it talks about how Melee is different to other games in a way
7 likesThere will never ever be another YouTuber like EmpLemon.
5 likesI wasnt only because of Ultimate, which is easily a worthy successor of Melee.
0 likesBut yeah, this feels even more appropriate. Hungrybox deserves a break.
@4nt Tbh, as good as Ultimate is, it isn't quite like Melee. It's on par with it and a worthy competitive game but the way it's competitive is very different from Melee. The Never Ever series isn't about things which will never/have never been surpassed in quality, but in how unique they are. That said, this video still was a nice way to tie the two subjects together in a neat package.
6 likes"Puff is too boring for anyone to grind and get good"
0 likesBrawlhalla players after encountering 7 consecutive orions in ranked:
"So that was a lie?"
HungryBox should of received so much more cheer and praise but instead crowds gave him hatred and negativity. So sad to see communities like this, but a truly Incredible achievement to persevere through all that shit! Amazing
0 likes53:59 It was at this point that HungryBox became HeisenBox
0 likesNo one has heard of me yet but mark my words. I will be the Hungrybox of Ultimate
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i trust you, random commentor
2 likes"You Know How Hard I Work Out Here?"
1987 likesMan it hurts me that he has to ask that, that people are just unaware.
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The original video of the incident has people laughing at him for making that statement and saying how he deserved it 😔
204 likesthe sheer emotion in his voice when he said that really hit me
265 likesImagine being him, winning a tournament being hyped and happy and just seconds later being humiliated and even attacked from many people. Turning the feeling of success into the feeling of being hated. these audience guys are rude af.
262 likes@GordonB Man welcome to smash, specifically Melee. The most toxic FGC bar none. Amazing game, incredibly talented players, absolute neanderthal fans...
176 likesI remember seeing a video of that, randomly, and thinking "Holy crap this guy is full of himself. It's a kid's game and he mains Jigglypuff."
200 likesWith context, it's an entirely different picture. It's a man who's spent a decade becoming the best he can be, and being mocked and ridiculed when he finally got to the top. It's a statement of disbelief, not of entitlement.
GreenStoneMusic You can really hear the hurt in his voice. I felt that just from watching a video, how can some people stand in that crowd and lack such empathy and understanding?
91 likesshoobopper that actually just sucks, I hope everyone retrospectively realizes how messed up that was
33 likesDW knowing melee fans, I doubt that guy feels a modicum of guilt
37 likesTheTrueHero basically they hate the best player in the world because he mains a slow character. They hate him enough to throw a crab at him and laugh at him when he asks for some credit after a decade of work. Pretty toxic if u ask me.
86 likesTheTrueHero Unlike other esports, they give people who don’t like a specific character still give the player credit and respect for their hard work ( unless their and A hole). They hate on H box because is the BEST, no one hates Faker, they just dislike him because he always wins, even people who disliked Zero had that opinion because he won non stop, and even with that they still respected him, I should know, I disliked Zero for his streak win, I still respected his grind, I just to see the end of his streak
21 likesOof
0 likesshoobopper do you know how to find the original video by any chance?
0 likes@GordonB Man
2 likesGotta love the smash bros community sometimes
@ssbmclover
14 likesPlus the smash bros community tends to be very toxic in general (just look at the whole Byleth drama)
There are good people in it
Just they tend to have a lot of bad eggs
The smash community has more trash in it than it has decent people. It would be an improvement to EVO to simply not include any Smash in their line-up, but you can't deny that these people at least bring money to the event.
10 likes@cmdrfokker false. The bad eggs are often the very vocal minority.
2 likes@OrionsVantage The leadership in the community stepped in as soon as they could and disciplined the person who threw the crab. The commentators were upset about it, a large portion of the community was not amused by it.
7 likes@shoobopper I just wanna point out that, in the clips I saw, the crowd actually cheered for him after that. The "Hungry-box! Hungry-box!" Chant is definitely audible, way more than any laughter
1 like@Tiktai oh i'm sure the crowd wasn't wholly against hbox, rotten apple and all. but i was referring to the comments on the original video on the incident. when i checked the top comments were saying how he "deserved it" for his playstyle. with that being said there seems to be a new surge in support for hungrybox with this video
2 likesshoobopper ??? no it didnt lol. it was silent and people started cheering “hungrybox”
0 likes@east3myway I AM TALKING ABOUT THE COMMENTS ON THE YOUTUBE VIDEO OF THE INCIDENT
1 likeshoobopper still, from what i can see there are no negative comments that’ve been liked a lot
0 likesHe probably doesn't work as hard as any other top 10 player, considering how easy Puff is to play
2 likes@Jimathy Nutron you have been replying to other comments, filling the reply section with your toxicity. like the statement in the video "just because it's different, doesn't mean it's easy". please just stop. just forget the absolute trash of a community that melee is, and just please go invest your time into something more worthwhile than trying to ridicule a player that has worked hard at improving at the game, and playing the game.
3 likes@Joe who's Joe?
0 likes@Joe JOE MAMA
0 likes@aiGeis did you read the whole comment? He changed after this vid, dude
0 likesPeople arent just "unaware." They write off his successes as a result of his character pick, or "degenerate" (read: patient) playstyle
1 likeLet's gooooo Hungrybox the goat!!!
0 likeswow nicely done.
0 likesThis was a whole anime backstory and it was awesome
1 likeI just want to mention, that is definitely a cooked crab...not raw
0 likes“I’ll play 20 more years if that’s what it takes to be the best in the world.”
2156 likesI don’t know why, but him saying that hits different.
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Because all of us are doing exactly what that , we can all play well nowadays but we know we haven’t mastered the game , I don’t think you can master it honestly
28 likes@Mookie Stewart I think even more than that though, if anybody could master this game in 2 decades, it'd really only be HBox.
33 likesThe dedication is impressive, hope we all have it in our lives
3 likesIt hits different because thats what we all want for ourselves but he did it... He made his dream a reality REGARDLESS of what others said, which is the biggest struggle any human has to deal with.
12 likesI also keep playing games until I am the only one left. Then I am world champion. Its the american way.
2 likesIt’s so inspiring
0 likesI mean he's played for at least twenty years now.
0 likesThat's some shit you'd hear in an anime.
1 likeEven more, he said those words after years of watching crowds quietly get up and exit the building after his win. His tireless effort in an uphill battle met by a cold shoulder.
1 like@X Y hello, could you tell me why smash bros melee is so hard
0 likesRepent to Jesus Christ!!
0 likes““I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.”
Matthew 10:16 NIV
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I'll be that lone guy cheering you on hbox.
0 likesI get it's New England, but who brings a raw crab to a gaming event? That's wild.
0 likesbut did Hungrybox ever walk up slowly and downsmash?🤣
0 likesAll i wanted to know is if he beat the shit out of the crab thrower but you avoided it completely.. :/
0 likesdude walked around with a raw crab in his pocket like it was his snack or sum shit
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FAX like WTF who carries a crab in their pocket for a day
71 likes@Your Average Guy Wait... that's not normal? Damn, I guess I should've known there was a reason nobody else complains about having to check their pockets for crustaceans before washing their clothes...
72 likesErr, I would guess that it was a prop, not a live crab. Unless you yourself were making a joke, in which case allow me to just woooosh myself
6 likesr/woooosh
#JustMarylandThings
45 likesSif Based on this video, I think it was a live dead crab (pretend that makes sense)
14 likesHayden the eeeeeeeeeeevil male eukaryotic organism it was a live crab
2 likesThats Maryland for you man. Lives and dies by its crabs
5 likesIf hbox lost what was his plan
11 likesNo one would notice the smell because of the hygiene standards of Melee fans
25 likesKlammy Vagikarp lmao
4 likesi always get sweaty when playing and it doesn’t seem to make any sense, i should get sweaty when going on walks with that logic but i come home dry
@Hayden the eeeeeeeeeeevil male eukaryotic organism My hands get so sweaty that Im scared to pass thre controller around after my turn is over
6 likesAlso the crab wasnt raw fyi. If it was, it wouldnt be red!!
5 likes@Zach Beckham yeah I was about to say the same thing. Those crabs are usually grey to bluish lol
0 likesWelcome to Maryland
1 likeThe crab in a bucket analogy has so many angles its pretty incredible
7 likesLol
1 like@Sif r/ihavereddit
0 likesMade the like 950, OCD gone for now...
0 likes@Morgana Priest congrats. Thanks for sharing.
0 likes@Your Average Guy Thats why us smash fans smell I guess
0 likesCRABS ARE PEOPLE
0 likesLOL yeah
2 likesProps to M2K, Armada, and PPMD for mostly staying out of the drama, and playing for the sake of playing.
2 likesWhen people ask me what my favorite movie is, this is what I tell them
0 likes0:38 holy shit, is that Pokemon Battle Revolution music?
3 likesEdit 1:09 IT IS
Edit 2 51:55 AGAIN
This deadass should be in Netflix
0 likesMelee is one of the most nuanced anime of all time
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Facts.
7 likesthe fucking documentary. makes it so much better
9 likesThe documentary was bad
1 likeThis is my favorite movie, full stop. It's not even close.
0 likes45:45
0 likesDo we know what he learned?
1:01:38 - "There are only two tragedies in life; one is not getting what you want, the other is getting it.", to paraphrase G.B. Shaw.
0 likesIdk but that's still really funny "bro if hbox wins I'll throw this crab"
0 likesMe: has no knowledge of melee or the competative smash scene in any sense of the word
1266 likesAlso me: (crying at 2am) man hbox doesnt deserve the hate hes just trying his best aaaa
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I swear I was thinking about also publishing a comment like
95 likes"Normal people at 2 pm: working, meeting friends, etc
Me at 2 pm: *crying over a person i never heard of, from a game i never played, due to a video from a channel i never heard of before"
My man earned himself a big sub for that one lmao
@Hyozan same
2 likesThe type of insults Hungrybox received is part of the reason the Smash community makes me sick, and no, I don't mean that in the cool way. In this community, I have seen fully grown adults throwing online fits more times than I can count over a video game. It literally looks like the Smash community (especially on Twitter) is living up to all of the awful stereotypes put on the world of gaming.
57 likesYeah. Let's also not forget that they won't just shame people for using characters they don't like. Remember the drama surrounding Bocchi after she won a match nobody thought she would or could win? What about the fans who were so angry that Waluigi didn't make it that they took their anger out on Sakurai on Twitter in a potentially very scary way?
17 likesThat moment will undoubtedly go down as one of the Smash community's worst moments.
4 likes100% lmao
6 likesNot gonna lie - I've always given Smash a hard time in the FGC, but this seriously choked me up a couple times. Maybe it's time to stop.
Me rn at 218 am lmao
0 likesSame brother... Same.... Hbox x3
0 likesme
0 likessame
0 likesit's me crying at 3 Am LOL
0 likes@Floofie kun Smash players, especially those outside of Melee, are mostly children and man-children. Infantile rage is expected of them. I would say, however, that the Byleth outrage was fairly justified. Yes, a bunch of characters people wanted got in, but Byleth was an utterly pointless inclusion exclusively there to promote the new Fire Emblem game and tap into the wallets of the strategy series' fans. It's the same reason Corrin was in Smash 4, and neither character makes sense as anything other than a business decision in my opinion. Since there is a limited number of DLC character slots available, and those slots are the only opportunity for characters new to the series to be introduced, each one has become an anticipated event. When that expectation is not only not met, but flipped on its head by an utterly disappointing choice, it's unsurprising that people would be disappointed. Factor in the misread signs about Dante and a widespread immature temperament/age, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
3 likesLmao that was literally exactly how it went for me as well only at 5am
0 likes@Hyozan lmao that is EXACTLY how it went down over here as well
0 likesgibbdude yeah it was a bad decision on Nintendo’s part but the outrage was not justified. People threatened to kill sakurai over an FE character its fine to be disappointed or mad about but dont be rude to others because they have a different opinion
1 like@AreYouOkay? When Melee got ducked from EVO, everyone was raging hard. I remember only Amsa, Axe and Armada having a positive view of it, in spite of being disapointed (obviously). What feels like everybody else; QUICK, grab the pitchforks and torches, 'cause we're gonna tell Mr. Wizard exactly how much we love him. Followed by a big fuck you.
0 likesMichael Henriksen i was talking about byleth being added
0 likes@AreYouOkay? Oh i'm sorry, i think i replied to you in error. Not too sure who i wanted to reply to to be honest, my bad man.
0 likesactually Same
0 likes@Hyozan Same
0 likesMelee was the first game i had ever played, on my olldd nintendo gamecube, dont remember the year but probably 2006ish give or take 3 years, it is so nastolgic its not even funny
0 likesIf I had been the one who organized the tournament then I would have banned the guy from all other tournaments and reported him for animal cruelty
0 likeswhat a great flipping channel.
0 likesThe mistreatment of jaun wil lalways be a ever reminding failure of the smash community
0 likesHonestly, anyone who makes Leffen's whiny ass seethe is a hero in my book.
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The kinda guy who's rage you can't help but laugh at
162 likesThis is why technicals is a good youtuber
46 likesleffen is the best
5 likes#HaxWasRight
42 likes@Naki at raging in a hilarious way
93 likesYou fr used the word "seethe". No wonder the esports community has a bad rep :I
7 likesI'd like to say we should look past his short comings and not shit down his throat, but it's really hard to do that when he keeps doing it to everyone else. Just the kind of guy he is I guess.
22 likes@DoctorFeelGood keep seething
77 likes@DoctorFeelGood Yes yes, people hate esports because people use language you don't. Actual genius thought
46 likes@DoctorFeelGood keep seething
17 likes@DoctorFeelGood dialate, we live in your head rent free so cope harder and seethe.
22 likesleffen always crying and blaming the game/the other player
8 likes@Master Shake based
12 likes@Trafalgar Lawn where, I must see it
2 likes@Tac82 type leffen loses to a ganondorf here on the youtube search bar.🤣
2 likes@DoctorFeelGood continue to seethe
1 like@Master Shake you know, that is something that shake would say in 2021
0 likes@chillmanmax all comment left by this channel are ment to be read in Dana Snyder's voice
0 likes@Yee Yee Nah, he's still a humongous prick, he's just now better at hiding it
2 likesthis aged well
2 likes@DoctorFeelGood stay mad lol
0 likesMan I need a playlist of the music used in this 10/10
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there's a patesbin in the description for all the music used
0 likesGot damnit how did I laugh at "smash hit"
1 likeI fucking died during the crab part lmfao
0 likesAnd now I know why I Mained Marth as a kid when I still don't know who they are
0 likeslet's take a moment to admire the fact that Doctor Pee Pee left the scene because of a medical condition
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Oof
21 likes69 likes
6 likesprobably erectile dysfunction
60 likesIt was actually testosterone deficiency or something like that
22 likes@Jugo Hayashi he's coming back? WHAT DO YOU KNOW?!
8 likesWow
0 likes@caleb williams well hes been actively streaming on twitch for quite a few months now when previously we would only get health updates from him every 6 months or so for about 3 years so thinks are looking good. Even if he isnt going to compete anymore hes become alot healthier over that time frame and its good to see PPMD doing good.
23 likesDon't disrespect PP, he's a legend
6 likes"You have became the very thing you swore to destroy"
0 likesTo make it even more ironic, I believe Dr. Pee Pee's condition is literally testosterone deficiency. Regardless, he seems like a great guy and nothing you'd expect from someone with that name.
6 likesPP M.D. RIP
0 likes26:00 goes crazy
1 likeI've watched this video 5 times now and just noticed I never gave it a like. The shame.
2 likesAs an outside, I would LOVE to be able see how many dislikes this video has YouTube.
1 likeThis is gold.
1 likeWhat if you
1683 likesExpected a badass name for Melee's fifth god
But god said
D R P E E P E E
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MEWTWO WHO IS KING
100 likesA R M W H I C H I S A D A D
108 likesP P M D
21 likeswhich god
5 likesLITERALLY A MANGO
19 likeswhat do you mean that name is very badass
8 likesidk man dr pee pee is pretty badass if i do say so myself
7 likesMewtwo but a king, a fruit, 130 Spanish boats, a hungry box and PeePee
4 likes@Big Lion Nah, Armada is synonymous to "Army"
2 likesEarned my like and subscribe 💖
0 likes2 minutes in and I haven't really payed attention to anything because I'm too busy vibing to the Battle Revolution soundtrack
2 likeshungrybox's freinds/family playing a match: there is another
0 likesAt 4:00 mango legit looks like he lost his favorite kid. Oof
0 likes"Melee was a smash hit."
969 likesI swear to god, Lemon. I will get the stick after you again.
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Beat him to make 1 hour content faster
3 likes"Dr. PeePee... Although he was last to develop"
4 likesthe way the lines are just moved past so casually is great
he loses, he doesnt win, he wins, he doesnt win
1 likeW video. Ive always loved hbox
1 likeI don’t really watch this game but I thought that hungrybox was the smash one that got shot
2 likesThis is the best video I've ever watched.
0 likesFinally a melee mini doc that isn’t just a “the smash brothers” documentary remix. Thanks emp!
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"Mini doc"
74 likesThis thing's longer than most regular documentaries and he did it without a crew or a massive corporation backing it
^
10 likes^
9 likes^
Like the people he reports about, emp is a true legend.
6 likes@Marzipancutter You ruined it.
0 likes@MLGAllan65 You can't really say you had anything going before a third one joined in
3 likes@Marzipancutter I had likes, that's the least i can be happy about.
0 likesAlso that reply deserves more likes then the comment itself in my opinion..m
0 likes@MLGAllan65 I didn't mean it's not good in any way, I meant it wasn't really an established pattern to ruin. If the chain went for like three or more replies interrupting it would be a cardinal sin, but at two I don't feel guilty.
0 likes@Marzipancutter I didn't understand a single thing you just said and i am getting mature vibes, despite the fact there is no way a normal kid could make that kind of comment.
1 like@MLGAllan65 Mom said I am special.
0 likes@Marzipancutter You are.
0 likesI think liquid did a mini hour long hbox doc not too long ago too if you wanna check it out. Was pretty good.
0 likes@NuclearDuck13 I am your 69th like
0 likesNuclearDuck13 tell me what to call it then big boy, someone’s very concerned about how to define what genre this falls in.. incredible. Great response.
0 likesHonestly if someone threw a crab at me I’d prob laugh
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on god
3 likesHBox is my favorite Smash Ultimate commentator.
0 likesAutoplay got me here, stayed for the crab.
1 like5 mins in now, but I'm so in for the entire video.
This could be possibly the most Maryland event I have ever heard of.
0 likes"No one cares enough about the outcome of the match to throw a raw crab at the winner"
532 likesThe smash bros community: You underestimate my powers
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Im pretty sure someone stabbed another player over killer instinct
17 likes@Shaman Xeed Commenting this in every thread isn't sad and desperate at all.
29 likes@ImmaLittlePip im not gonna deny the toxicity of the melee community at times but it is exaggerated. Also i was just sharing a funny story.
3 likes@trashman ah okay my mistake and apology
0 likesgiant enemy crab
5 likes@Shaman Xeed OK, you may stop now.
3 likes@trashman Maybe try treating Hbox a little better and our opinion of you guys will improve. And that shit you just did saying another community is worse? That shit don't work. Just ask Hillary. People don't like the lesser of 2 evils argument. Me included
2 likesHbox: don't do it
1 likeCRABS IN A BUCKET, LEE!
1 likeYea I don't really care about Hbox as a person cuz its just a video game I just dislike Melee Puff as a character (from a viewers perspective since the majority of ppl including me suck at melee.) Playing the slow methodical matchups are fun when ur playing it but watching it is painful
1 likewhat happened to your youtube icon bro i miss seeing ms paint littlepip
2 likes@ninelivesstealer
1 likeYouTube thanos snap a lot of people's icons
I mean.. how much longer yall gonna play this game? mathematically you're probably right.
0 likes17:58 out of context is hilarious
0 likesdid he bring a crab just in case his favorite lost?
0 likesThe Floyd Mayweather of Smash
0 likesWithout context, “He likely would have been finished too, if not for Captain Crunch.” just sounds so funny
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captain crunch used to be the bane of the phone companies
32 likesit’s the campbell’s soup ad all over again
10 likeshungrybox had a delicious bowl of captain crunch to refuel his energy
11 likesYou and the Cap’n make it happen
1 likebreh
0 likesRepent to Jesus Christ!!
0 likes““I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.”
Matthew 10:16 NIV
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@Repent or you will likewise perish. get out
0 likesHBOX is the smash melee goat and people can’t accept that fact HBOX is the John Cena of the Smash Melee community
0 likesyup he proof to the world ..u can beat the odds against u..just don't give up...hungry box is the king and legend if u like it or not...
0 likesi loved the crab arc
1 likeThat crab ain't raw. It's cooked.
1 like"The fifth god, Dr. Pee Pee"
3049 likesGod why did this make me laugh
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Bro just reading that made me laugh
59 likesShaman Xeed Pls stop
93 likesHe was embarrassed of his name, so he eventually turned it into “PP Md”
99 likesPee Pee M.D.
56 likes@Shaman Looks like the doc need to prescribe to you some chill pills
26 likes@Carlos Giron Man he should've kept the name. It's great.
20 likesIt's supposed to make you laugh. If you watch the Smash Bros doc by Samox, PC Chris makes mention of how funny it was to hear, "And today's winner is Dr. Pee Pee!"
38 likeshonestly, fate was pulling some strings to make all of the gods pick names that fit them perfectly. or they knew exactly what they were doing.
29 likesMango, always keeps things simple and positive
Armada, really did cross an ocean to invade
HungryBox, the most hungry for victory
Mew2King, amasses knowledge, to become the king of anything.
Dr. Pee Pee, Kevin, is a great mix of smart and funny. (u kno doctors are smart n all)
@popopop984 It's no less then the melee community deserves with the way they act to be honest.
0 likesppmd got me
0 likes@IsaHoodie look, the shoesuke dude
0 likesi scrolled down and read this comment RIGHT when he said that lol
0 likesKevin originally called himself "Dr. Pee Pee" cuz he wasn't taking competing in Smash seriously but to appear more professional (and prolly cuz of the sponsorship from Evil Genius) he changed it to PPMD
13 likesIsn't there a Luigi player named poop or something
1 likePPMD is my state's Melee rep.
0 likesFunny I live like 1hr from him, but didn't meet him until going to Super Smash Con 5hr away in another state
PPMD Kreygasm
3 likes@Neat and Clean Figures as much but EmpLemon's delivery of the line made me giggle cause it was serious
0 likes@Ryan H What are you even saying? I'm laughing at a line in the video, not making a comparison.
0 likesbecause its fucking funny i literally had to pause the video bc i couldn't fucking listen to it without giggling his name is DR PEE PEE. Imagine being considered the best of the best in your field and you've cemented yourself with the name Doctor Pee Pee. Literally i wish i were him for the meme value alone
3 likesDr. PP changed his name to PPMD bcuz of his sponsors
0 likes@STARZ Archive he did actually he just cant play he had issues with i think depression and for a while testosterone
0 likesShaman Xeed why are you like this
0 likesEdgy.
0 likesIoulum sauce?
0 likesBecause you have the maturity and sense of humor of a 10 year old.
0 likesas Pewdiepie would say: that's a big pee pee
0 likespeepee style got me.
0 likesThis video was sick!
0 likesI think the ruining the game stuff is ledgecamping, it was game breaking and got banned but of course it was no justification for hatred
0 likesWhy the f@$# would someone throw a RAW CRAB at a gamer?
2 likesholy hell that was the intro
0 likesEmplemon 10 years ago: YTP Homer Simpson Commits Tax Fraud in the Belgian Congo with Justin Timberlake’s Left Kidney
997 likesEmplemon now: Best smash bros melee player of all time, best nascar racer of all time, best Russian at a not-letting-the-world-die-in-nuclear-fire
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Best wrestling program on TV, best cartoon
7 likesNGL I would watch the shit out of that YTP
13 likes"best smash player of all time"
5 likesArmada says hi
Best cartoon of this generation
2 likes@Nozomu Itoshiki honestly, at the time Armada retired he was the GOAT but in terms of pure skill, Juan, having stayed on top for so long, is certainly worth considering for the spot. (Whatever the case, Armada and Hbox are in a league of their own.)
4 likesNah m2k is the best smash player overall
0 likes@Somniad "pure skill" yea thats still armada bro
0 likeshow did I watch 30 minutes of this without getting bored? well done!
0 likesedit: I'm watching this at a rush, I just came back from school and I have a lot of homework and I have school again tomorrow morning, and i'm still entertained by this video after watching it for almost an hour, very impressive!
edit 2: one hour have passed, this is the longest I ever watched on one video at one sitting (+ rush bonus) you deserve as much love and populaxity as Mat Pat, Hats down.
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I'm already at 52 mins, bruh
0 likes1:04:58
0 likesnow, there's just one (Juan)
no comment...
"There will never ever be another melee player" :O
0 likesthere will Never Ever be another video like there will Never Ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox
0 likesThrowing a crab is the most Maryland thing ive ever seen
0 likesLove him or hate him this man has stuck with his character through thick and thin and is without a doubt one of the best players of all time.
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He is literally the best, you understand this, right?
5 likesNow see him try to play Street fighter lol
1 like@GorgeousFortress Your point being?
10 likesGorgeousFortress that’s like saying let’s have the pro basketball player fight the ufc fighter. Two different games it makes no sense.
7 likesMain one character on all those years,while the best had to use a counter as a second main to defeat him.
3 likesSo yea that says alot about his skills and how everyone looked at puff as a low tier character at the beginning.
This game probably wore down the mayority of gamecube controllers aswell
2 likes1:00:38 - Eren: What are you doing? Stand up, Hungrybox.
0 likes2 years late but this was beautiful
1 like1:03:07 interesting all others began to run fox to counter hbox
1 like"Now...there's only Juan"
447 likes1:01:40 Watching him turn around to face the exiting crowd, tried putting myself in his mindset for a moment and immediately started feeling the walls around me closing in
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Such a surreal yet depressing feeling. Finally, after defying all odds, you’ve become the best only to have the cheering crowd behind you disperse in disappointment and bitterness. Both Hungrybox AND melee deserve better for their achievements.
35 likes52:16 I want that George Costanza shirt
1 likeOnly after watching for around 40 minutes I realised this video is 1.5 hours long xD
0 likes"hungrybox is the best in the world" *cm punk kicks his door down
0 likesHow tf did somebody just come to a smash tournament with a crab anyway??
1 likeI just busted out laughing, im sorry. "And last god to cement himself in the new generation of melee as the 5th god..... Dr.PeePee" died
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PPMD always got shit for his name lol
84 likesIt almost sounded like emp was trying not to laugh himself
27 likesHa same
0 likesAnd the way he said ”PeePee would rise”, just killed me.
59 likesme too lol
0 likesTimestamp? I missed it lmao.
0 likes@schoals Cloudbomb 17:53
5 likesLol why did I think he actually died?
0 likeskirby is the only character fight me....literally fight me in smash
0 likesAyeee 7 millions is a lot, by far the most exposed SSBM has been to general audiences ever; There’s still so much Melee to be played
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Technically Wombo Combo holds that record, but this def the new 'wombo combo', just way longer and people are actually learning about the community
1 like1:05:00
0 likes"Now there's just Juan"
When you insult smash ultimate for being easy but mortal kombat kombos don't require any timing
0 likes“You’re good... But you’re not going to be the best.”
1349 likesDamn.
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"You're good, BUT I'M BETTER!!!"
49 likes-Wolf
@4nt "It's gameover for you!"
10 likes-Pit
Yeah that my entire life lol
17 likesFunny enough, that toxic relationship gave Hungrybox the drive and the work ethic that turned him into the best in the entire world. It could be argued that Hbox might not have achieved what he has and gotten where he is if that "You'll never be the best" attitude hadn't been present.
81 likesThornHailsnap that’s what’s so inspiring about him really
11 likesNever.
0 likesEver seen Whiplash?
2 likes@4nt lol
0 likes"And I took that personally"
2 likesFrom his own father thats messed up
1 likeNever heard a greater lie
1 likeHarsh
0 likesLol what's wrong with just being good. Being the best is way to much stress @soulsilvergamer
0 likesMy mom told me the same thing I was young without the your good part.
0 likes@Sins of the swamp dang
0 likesWithout Hungrybox as 'Puff, Fox wouldn't have his greatest rival. Eventually H-Box will either retire or lose, once a player can figure out how to cancel the ledge grabs and rest meteor's but I think he'll figure out a new strat after and the game will just keep evolving. That just shows how awesome melee is, because even after 20+ years later, players that have ALREADY mastered the game will continue finding new mechanics to this game. I'm still waiting on a Pichu player that can dominate the meta, most likely will never happen but it'll be interesting if it does.
0 likesI’m sorry but Wobbles is the smash bros equivalent of Kratos
1 like17:58 i neve r in my life expected to hear someone say "Dr PeePee" with such conviction.
0 likes"BREAKING NEWS: Hbox the legend gets a movie from a Youtuber"
0 likesImagine being so mad at someone who is way better than you at a children's party game that you bring a raw crab to throw it at them
480 likesquite miserable if you ask me
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Nah I respect the level of hatred.
11 likes@ShortStuff you have problems lol
49 likes@ShortStuff He's not lacking passion at least
3 likesI love my state, that's the most Maryland thing I've ever heard of
1 likeImagine wondering what you're going to eat after Hungrybox wins.
0 likes#connoreatspants
0 likesWasn't that a meme by Connor eat pants dude or was that someone else ?
0 likesThe fact it was a crab made it funny af. If it was a rotten tomato or something it would be a different story, but the fact it was a crab was just so legendary
1 likeWhy did I bust out laughing when he said dr peepee
0 likesKirby mains are always scary.
0 likes0:20 he just dropped his credit card lmao
0 likesnot even kidding this video is top 10 on the internet.
1 likehow ironic that after being the 'unpopular kid' for years and years, he now has the biggest following and average viewer count of any melee player on twitch by a large margin, and his chat is filled with adoring, supportive fans. it's like he has become the star while everyone else became less relevant.
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It's so beautiful to see. I'm so happy for him and wish him the greatest happiness from now on.
47 likesEveryone except mango, mango is framed as the anti-hero in this because it highlights h-boxes (deserved) triumph but in reality you can show that mango's narrative is just as heroic. Mango is the GOAT and no it isnt just 'sickness'.
20 likes@Pineapple
35 likesI mean, he literally said 'because you play Jigglypuff and I can beat you, you're bad and I have zero respect for you'.
If that isn't an ego trip, I don't know what is.
@Thermophile yeah, but that was nearly a decade ago bruh, alot happens in that time
7 likes@The One CP11
5 likesWhat about it? Talking about horrible stuff someone did 5 years ago is relevant when talking about stuff that happened 5 years ago. I don't know or particularly care what Mango is doing right now, since I don't think he's doing smash.
@Thermophile yes of course, but it shows how out of touch you are with the melee scene, not only does mango play smash all the time, he is in contention for regaining the number 1 rank. You'd be surprised at how he's changed, i can't think of anyone who still has a legitimate problem with him.
12 likes@The One CP11
17 likesConsidering this video is all the context I have, I'd say 'out of touch' is accurate.
@The One CP11 mango may be a better person, but I haven't seen him apologize yet.
5 likes@Pineapple this was solved years ago, theres a clip of an irl tournament last month in which hbox and mango were vibing just fine
15 likes@Thermophile Wdym "not doing smash"?
0 likesHbox, with all his great character arcs and long path, is truly the main protagonist of Melee, possibly all of smash.
0 likes@The One CP11 thank you for clearing this up for me
0 likes@Niema Ano i don't know, this stuff happened over a decade ago, but like i said hbox and mango are on good terms, so I'd imagine something like that happened.
1 like@The One CP11 Or maybe Hbox is just too nice
1 like@Thermophile Mango is literally the best Melee player in the world right now. He's probably the GOAT. And him and Hbox are on good, if not very good terms. Stop hating.
3 likes@JakeFromStateFarm there's plenty of other players with a great story.
0 likesArmada was the european underdog that sacrificed everything just to even have a chance to compete and became the best player in melee history.
Mew2king is autistic and spent hundreds of hours discovering the game stats, hitboxes and hurtboxes alone in his room.
Mango is the ultimate prodigy and he's done several of the sickest plays ever (he even made jigglypuff sick)
PPMD was competing at the highest level while fighting against depression and a condition that affected his memory and motor functions.
Leffen is the ultimate underdog, he was banned from commpeting by the community and by his friend and mentor Armada and came back the next year stronger than ever to become the god slayer.
Zain and Plup still have their story to write but it's looking real good.
and chillindude is like the piccolo or tien of the smash world, as the coolest side character in melee history.
I don’t think people even know who mango is. I don’t think they care to either considering how little impact he has on anything FGC related these days.
0 likes@J DD Mang0 was a hero to Melee but Hungrybox became a hero to the Smash community in general.
1 like@Neogears bro are you trolling
0 likesFeels like I’m watching a less intense but more intense version of brawlhalla
0 likesHungry Box was always .y favourite player
0 likesIt isn't easy to play Jigglypuff and the reads he pulls off are Giga Brain
i am beyond words..this man is a goat in this industry yet he is ridiculed as a very confident player..i never ever played video games but i know excellence when i see one..he has the determination like michael jordan getting cut from the high school team..he is telling the world and god rest in soul his pops that he can be the greats and will prove the world..i now have the utmost respect for this man and his preseverence.
0 likesLove that music at the end. Is that a remix of that one chill earthbound song?
0 likesPuff as a whole can be considered "boring" sure that's okay. But you're crazy if you dont think rest is one of the sickest moves in smash history
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This is it chief
33 likesyou right
4 likesI love moves like rest and Captain falcon knee and Luigi misfire
40 likestakes a drink
3 likesIt’s a highly risky highly rewarding big move that can kill early or get you killed early that allows for hype moments and unexpected comebacks, one of the hypest game mechanics from a spectator standpoint
48 likesAiden Andre hype from player perspective as well, you have to be careful and play around it.
3 likesDying to a frame 1 move that kills at any percent is not sick, its just not fun to play against.
3 likesyes, rest is the ultimate mega chad move
4 likesTobias Moodias you can really tell who doesn’t actually play smash in these comments right lol
8 likes@Blake Swanson that's exactly what I was thinking as well.
3 likes@Blake Swanson it's not about playing the game, also people who can't respect hbox gamestyle don't fully understand melee or a lot of other games imo
1 likeI bet you think stomp knee is super hype too
2 likesTobias Moodias ah yes well if you let yourself get centered by the literal pixels of hitbox rest has you deserve to get flung off the screen. doesn't kill at any percent either. can't do it at 0 for sure
2 likesNobody gonna talk about falcon punch
0 likesPuff may be a boring character, but HBOX is just that good that it makes puff amazing to watch
0 likesMaybe when you suck at the game and can only hit it once out of every 10 tries. When you can up throw someone at zero and literally get a free stock if they fuck up their DI, shit is not sick at all.
0 likesrest is the only big move in smash that actually can be used in competitive thanks to quick startup... it’s literally the only one lol
0 likesJDon agree to disagree man
0 likes@LegendZero0 lmao
0 likesYea bro up throw > rest is totally sick bro 😼😼😼😼
0 likes@Jackal’s Cry Imo it's got to be more stressful than hype from a player perspective, but melee is a really self expressive game and how people play around such a polarizing option definitely shows a lot of expression in it's own right.
0 likes@Frogchip welp rest is like the only big move in smash that sees use in competitive other than... falcon fair or smthn
0 likes@Goddess Carrie you can do it at zero, just saying.
0 likesOnly the biggest noobs say that Kirby is useless. Mark my words here you got it first: it's one of the best
0 likesThanks yt algorithm for this gem. But what dooes this toxic smash community want? Permanent fox vs fox matchups in tournaments? Maybe an occasional Falco? How insanely boring would that be man. Im much rather watching a grand final between two characters that arent pretty much the same.
2 likesHbox die not and will not kill melee, he changed it and made the tournaments more diverse in terms of characters. I always loved watching his Puff play out ❤
bro holy shit, this was incredle
0 likesthe last of my generation, the last of the hokages
1 likeI don’t understand how they hate Hbox for being “rude and arrogant”, have these people never seen Leffen?
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People like Leffen because he's rude and arrogant, this guy plays a villian character on the highest level, he's likeable in the way you like a disney villian.
71 likes@Levii Sure, but Disney villains are all fake, and William "Leffen" Hjelte is a real human. For me it's difficult to grasp the fact that people like such a person who acts like that in real life.
192 likes@Bennybeebop The thing is you don't know him a real human, you know him as a famous smash player. You don't have to hang out with him you watch him perform on a stage. Is he a nice guy in person? who knows, doesn't matter to me anyways since that's not the relationship i have to this guy i never met.
35 likesI like Leffen because he plays a sick fox and his personality caused some of the hypest moments in smash to happen.
Sure you should have some level of respect to your opponent but if nobody talks shit there woldn't be hype rivalries.
Imagine grudge matches like Leffen vs Salem or the infamous my B match, even when you want to see Leffen loose he was the reason they were so hype.
@Levii I agree, actually. He and others are a part of why the competitive scene thrives yet today. Obligatory "sick fox" joke aside, he is very entertaining to watch.
24 likesI guess what I'm trying to convey is it's difficult to express your true character if people only see you and how you act on a stage under a different name, especially through a screen rather than up close and personal. He just acts like that in the community so frequently that people just think of him that way.
Leffen plays hype, unlike Hungrybox for a lot of people
6 likesSpencer Grady he’s 25, who would be bullying him.
0 likesI always saw Hbox’s arrogance as proving he’s the best. Not as ignorant and trying to put people down to get up.
26 likesBut Leffen’s just pure, unadulterated ass. He’s basically the embodiment of why my Ultimate friends hate Melee: elitist, unwelcoming, unwilling to adapt, and rude.
@gameandflogchannel I don't know, I was hyped by hungry box more. The hate he receives reminds me of my own rift days, and from being top healer in pvp of rift, I can say the hate-fueled me. I put on a good villain, and I learned it from rift. See, I mained a healer, which if you've ever played a mmo of any merit, you'll know why healers get hate. My job is by definition to slow the game down for the enemy and stop them from getting kills, and in my prime 15 people couldn't out dps my heals because of just how good I was. So the hate I got for just existing reminds me a lot of what hungry box went through. I'd login and have about fifteen minutes' worth of hate and death messages before I ever said or did anything. At the time I was like 15-17 during my prime, and would often act out as a response. When you get that much hate constantly by your peers to the point that just existing gets you hate, it does strain you. And for me, it caused me to go full-blown ass. I went from a guy willing to devote large chunks of my time to helping people, to a guy that laughs at people for even asking me. Hate made me a better player, but also made me a lot more jaded and cold, less willing to become friends with people, less willing to help people. And it wasn't until I quit rift, and had a chance to play different games were people appreciated my skills, and me as a player I realized just how toxic of a situation it can be. And to this day, I never want even local fame. I'm much happier just being able to enjoy games. I respect Hbox so much because he is able to deal with much, MUCH more hate then I did (At it's prime rift had maybe a million players divided into EU and NA) and able to make a career out of it. But I would never wish to be back in a position anywhere near that. Being the best at anything SUCKS. Cheers Hbox you glorious bastard.
8 likesLeffen was probably hated more than any player in melee history for a little bit because of the shit he pulled on Scar. And people started to cheer for him as the “Godslayer” because people were hyped to see someone taking down the 5 gods. They he really took the community’s heart by completely going all out again Salem was Salem was talking shit about the melee community, and Leffen was the front runner in defending the community. Now leffen is liked and loved by many, even though he still says a lot of controversial things. And also because he’s on TSM
1 like@Brendan Wang I mean from what I've seen of the community and the unfair and absolutely cruel treatment of hbox, I can't say I blame anyone for shit talking the community. Kinda bringing it on yourselves.
8 likesLeffen comes across as if he's an unlikeable asshole on and off stream/stage.
19 likesHbox comes across as someone who's playing into the villain because that's the hand he was dealt but actually has a good heart.
@MetroAndroid I dunno, nothing hbox does comes off as a villain to me, just someone good at their craft.
8 likesLevii This still doesn’t explain the communities hypocritical reaction difference between Hbox and Leffen. Everything you said can be said about Hbox too. Yet he has definitely gotten more hate.
0 likesHow does one persons behavior excuse another?
0 likesI love em both
0 likesYou don’t get it. You would get it if you knew him in person like me. It all started when I saw hungrybox at a grocery store...
1 like4:06 Listen to that "There it is!" guy - I had to rewind because I couldn't believe I heard such tism. He literally just starts making noises that sound like what the other host is saying. Guess they weren't hiring him based on his qualifications.
2 likeswhat song is playing at 32:15 ? it's very good,
2 likesalso 54:07 thank you very much if anybody could let me know
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xXxAlExBaLsOnxXx - Turning Off
2 likesand
iamMANOLIS - Tracking lines.
1:04:58 Ahhh I see what you did there
0 likes59:00 how come after every knock out dude reaches in the same pocket briefly? Good luck charm in there or sumn?
0 likesMe at the beginning of the video: calm down dude it’s just a crab geez
1044 likesMe at the end of the video: HUNGRYBOX WORKED TOO DAMN HARD TO BE TREATED WITH SUCH DISRESPECT LIKE THAT I HOPE WHOEVER THREW THAT CRAB BURNS IN HELL
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It's not just that dude.. It's the fact that it was a live crab
70 likesA hit on the head would be as hard as a rock
@B2099 u sure? I thought it was cooked, it looked cooked cuz it was red
25 likes@Gabe Lipsitz i have been told that it was alive.. I thought that it was cooked too but I have been told otherwise so I guess they are right since they are the majority?
16 likesYour comment was at 419 likes and I was about to hit like to make it 420 but I accidentally refreshed the page and someone else beat me to it
2 likesId imagine youd be some kind of depressed or cut off from the world to be so commited that you sneak a crab into the tournament and throw it at the winner, let alone the winner of a match you werent even playing LoL
11 likesIt’s still someone throwing something at your head in what fuckin world would you be ok with anyone throwing stuff at you like that?
3 likes@Neogears Maybe they enjoy pain?
2 likes@Gabe Lipsitz it was raw
0 likesI know right
0 likesI don’t understand why a crab though, why not a tomato or even a rock or something
0 likes@:o well you see he bought the dead crab from EE a small streamer and who was selling crabs out the back of his car
1 like@Michael Shultz the town the place was held is famous for their type of crab and someone was selling them out the back of their car so when the guy saw mang0 lost to hbox he starting malding
2 likes@Michael Shultz he definitely isn't right in the head LOL
1 like@Michael Shultz Crab is harmless compared to a full speed rock to the head, or because it's both a wtf moment and extra disrespectful.
1 like@Mr. Rotundus omg cool funny dude weed number reference
0 likesWho brought a crab to a fighting game tournament tho
1 likeI saw the EVO 2016 final just because... Never followed the game competitive scene. I just saw it because it was on and I was interested on the Tekken tournament. Now I know that i wittnessed history!!!
0 likesdafuq this guy is the main protagonist of smash
1 like1:04:57 is perhaps the best subtitle joke.
0 likescool video but can we please break into nintendo’s HQ and force them to update melee
1 like13:00 The kid was the protagonist of a shounen and the tournament was a one-off random event in his journey.
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He had the anime flashback and the power of friendship
99 likesIt was a filler episode
162 likesGon at the hunters exam
42 likesAn anime over this would be sick
14 likesHe had the power of family
10 likesEven if Items were allowed that kid clapped a world champion, people getting salty over it and trying to take merit from the feat just make it even better lol
15 likes@zzxp It's like if Ash Ketchum won a tournament, but was immediately booed out of the stadium
4 likes@ambrose binkley There is an esports anime
0 likesThat episode in jojo’s part 3 where jotaro plays that spots game against the mind reader man
0 likesI'm just wondering what the kid went on to do.
0 likesA bit too hyperbole for my tastes, but I respect the research that had to go into this a lot.
1 likeAmazing video thanks
0 likesMango complaining about Hbox using a singular gimmick and abusing it. Meanwhile he himself switched over to the fastest character from his main.......
1 likeFrom an outsiders perspective who isn't a competitive gamer or Melee player, Hungrybox looks to me like the José Mourinho at Internazionale of Melee lol. He plays that catenaccio counter strategy that everyone hates to play against, hates to watch because it's not very entertaining, and most certainly hates to see win because you're inclined to root for anyone who has to go up against that xD Somebody has to be the vllain because every great villain is the hero of his own story. History ultimately decides the winner and thus who was the real villan and the real hero. The real villain in this story was the Melee community xD
0 likesImagine praying to a god named "Dr.PeePee"
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takes notes for the next D&D homebrew campaign setting
37 likesOh Dr. Pee Pee, save our souls from this SIN known as brawl.
19 likesthe name reminds me of mr. popo from dragonball
2 likesChef pee pee
0 likesOh lord, mighty Dr. PeePee, May his name bring joy and salvation to us all
1 likeTake two Ps and call me in the morning.
0 likesThat's a world I want to live in
0 likesI pray that Dr.PeePee returns to melee
0 likesPP M.D. will see you now
0 likesEvery day 3 times a day
0 likesI think he's always had more fans out there, but they weren't brave enough to cheer in the face of a crowd where it was the "popular" to dislike him. Classic case of the lemming syndrome.
0 likesIt seems like that kid just understood how brawl worked better. Fresh eyes
0 likesI don’t even watch video games and this shit was bussin🧎♂️
0 likesIn any other sport this would be the story for the good guy, the fan favorite. Then I remembered the competitive video game community is made up of poorly socialized, ill mannered, and know it all, validation craving semi-NEETS who take a term like "sick" to show how cool they think a character is and then act like it has some real world meaning where "non sick" characters & humans who use them should be shunned, forgetting "sick/nonsick characters" aren't actually a real thing...they made it up. Hating on a player who uses a character you can't stomach because it's pink and floats is hilariously pathetic.
0 likesIf I had to make a caricature of what a homophobic 3rd grader sounds like I would pick something like "eww that character is pink and a floaty ball with a ribbon. That's such a gay looking character, its the worse". Somehow the average competitive hardcore Smash Player is an adult male who unironically does believe something like that and then even worse thinks they're part of the cool or even the cringier named "sick" group for doing so. Once HungryBox retires he's just going to go back to being an engineer getting paid a yearly salary worth the prize money for winning multiple EVOs at the same time. He can give up Smash tomorrow and his quality of life and financial situation would probably actually improve. That probably drives the people mad, who gave up on everything school/work/relationships/family related just to dedicate to Smash, knowing that its not even sustainable past their 30s.
Maybe "Smash doesn't need HBox" was never the reason they hated him. Maybe this whole time it was really because "HBox literally doesn't need Smash & yet he's still better than everyone who does".
So... you took a game i don't care anymore, and talk about a player i don't even know before this... and make me watch a whole 1 hour and a half...
467 likesyou did a well done job, my friend
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This comment is actual ACTUAL perfection like it’s worded perfectly
7 likes@Malak Elkadri this is gold xD
7 likesOk, if youre reading this comment, and you go to smash tournaments, cheer for him
0 likesI just watch a little while im eating
3 likesOne hour and twenty-four minutes later
I can’t even win against my little sister playing Kirby
0 likes10:04 Bowser just styled on peach
0 likesLAST EPISODE OF NEVER EVER:
785 likesThere will never ever be a better a documentary series as EmpLemon’s Never Ever.
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A story about optimism, the nature of effort, luck, underdogs...and also about stories.
16 likesThis comment complexes and confuses me
2 likesCheck out Ahoy here on YouTube while you wait for EmpLemon to make more content you love!
0 likesExcept Pretty Good.
0 likesthis comment is so cringy why did i post this
0 likesi love h-box man!
0 likesThis is epic
0 likesAnd there goes my 10th time watching this
0 likesi couldnt think of a more celebratory gesture than a hurled crab
0 likes"somebody threw a raw crab at him"
4025 likesBruh who would do that
"in Maryland"
ahh ok nvm
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yup theres a raw crab every mile here in MD
89 likes@br4ndonplays theres a raw crab every half mile and enough old bay for each
93 likesAs a person of Maryland, I keep a crab loaded in my holster at all times, ya know, just in case
128 likes@Ryley Allen why does our state look like a gun that probably shoots crabs
29 likes@Kings Dominion Network we were chosen by the crab overlords to lay the foundation for the crab uprising
31 likesyall would the first to join the Republic of Crab People
23 likes@Victor Wang yes
12 likescasual Maryland Tuesday
9 likesfor real lawl
2 likes@Ryley Allen as a person of maryland, i barely eat crabs at all
2 likesCan I get the timestamp?
2 likes@Safa then you not on the peninsula
2 likesWow you watched the first 5 minutes gratz
1 likethats a cooked crab tho
2 likes@Eric Frady yeah I think so too but hey it’s just what he said
0 likesThat crab is cooled. Not sure why someone would have an uncooked one, they are usually kept alive until boiled.
1 likeThrowing a raw crab at a guy just cause he won a game and celebrated,man that was pretty harsh,it wasn t contestant s fault,it was fault of that immature guy who threw crab.We gamers deserve respect not that bullshit!
2 likes@Omer Brezanin yes
0 likesthe crab looks kind of cooked ngl
0 likesThe training arc
0 likesHUNGRYBOXXXX this was such an amazing movie broooo the last clips of HBOX IS MELEE MADE ME CRYYYY
0 likesI guess I'm gonna spend the next couple hours finding out why this has 7 mil views
0 likesI cant believe this video is already two years old
0 likesNever Ever
1463 likesS1E1 : SpongeBob SquarePants
S1E2 : Monday Night Raw
S1E3 : Dale Earnhardt
S1E4 : THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT OF NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION
S1E5 : Super Smash Bros
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Seems like a logical progression
59 likesBasically everything that goes through my head before I go to sleep.
44 likesIn that order.
S1E6: Pogs
18 likesEpisode 6 should be about Angry Video Game Nerd
16 likesI'll bet $20 that the next Never Ever episode will be about Team Fortress 2.
14 likesEpisode 6 should be about type o negative
2 likes@Some Bonehead not really... i love tf2 but i dont think he will cover another gaming topic
4 likesPretty sure i read this comment before...
0 likesnext episode should be about Team Fortress 2
1 like“There Will Never Ever Be Another Game Like Team Fortress 2”
I hope it is TF2
1 likeTES it was on episode 4
0 likesTcch, yeah, what's E4 doing in there
0 likesGlad we're back to covering the important stuff
S1E7: Dwarf Fortress
S1E6: Homer's Enemy
0 likesA crab is the most Maryland thing they could've thrown
1 likeHis style and losing-winning streak sounds like me :s....
0 likesBro imma go become the worlds best in smash ultimate. Im already the best zero suit samus in my school. Now its time to be the best in the world.
0 likesThe 8-bit Cult of Personality <3
0 likesHungrybox is the only villain that I’ll ever root for. Absolute legend.
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Nah, goto a tournament and meet him irl. There's a saying, there are only two kinds of people, hbox fans, and people that have met hbox.
9 likes@Tindalo so true,and hbox gets destroyed by leffen and Armada
0 likes@Tindalo I do not believe you.
8 likesTindalo
13 likeslmao.
I bet you didn’t watch the video.
@Ephlaght he met him irl
0 likes@Ephlaght also search another reason to hate hbox into YouTube search bar
0 likesDragon Brendan
10 likesgross, leffen
@Tom Hill There's the people who just watched this video and think he's a pretty cool guy based on the evidence of this video they just watched, and there's all the players and fans who have met him over the years and dislike him. I wonder who to believe.
3 likes@Le Bulge um...The video addresses this.
13 likes@Le Bulge yes the fans who all have it seared onto their brain to hate someone for how they play a video game or a passive viewer with little bias who has never harassed the man at the most stressful part of his day. I WoNdEr WhO tO bElIeVe?
8 likesJustin Reuter it has nothing to do with the video game. It’s his personality and how he treats people. He has a well documented history of being rude to other players and fans, including his own. He has admitted to this and has been trying to change, to his credit. (e.g. at apex 2014 when one of his fans came up to him after he lost to leffen and he told the fan to fuck off) His behavior has improved since then, but when you treat people like that for years, that’s why a community of people doesn’t like you.
3 likes@Le Bulge mayhaps his was a little mean to people in the past, but keep in mind how the community treated him and the stress he dealt with at events. Plenty of other competitive players are on edge and emotional at tournaments, so he is far from the only one to act that way.
16 likesJustin Reuter this, plus the fact those rude encounters were in what, 2014? And you admitted he was getting better. It’s hard to improve when no one gives you a second chance.
5 likes@Le Bulge
9 likesIs that Apex situation the worst thing you can think of?
Because that doesn't sound like someone being a dick, that sounds like someone who just lost a tournament and was still feeling salty about it.
What about the rock?
0 likes@Le Bulge 100% of the people I've met who claim to dislike Hungrybox because of his "personality" also idolise Leffen. I wonder how good their thought process really is.
9 likes@Heimskr, Prophet of Talos "was"
5 likesSo he's not an asshole right now, and you're obviously biased but let's say that holds up, then you don't believe in a person changing even thou he has clearly changed not only in the way he plays but also in how he goes about the community, so then you admit he's changing but still hold him accountable for stuff he did years ago? So no bias still?
@Camkitsune That's just the example that hungrybox himself gave of a time that he was mean to his own fans. There are endless stories of unpleasant interactions that people have had with him in the scene, such him being creepy towards girls and being hostile to other puff mains. Also, how is saying "fuck you" to your own fan not being a dick? It doesn't matter if you've just lost, everybody except 1 person loses at every tournament, no one else acts like that.
1 like@Le Bulge you say no one else does it like that's a fact. plenty of people, too players in particular, have acted like that at tournaments. That doesn't make them bad people. Hbox happens to be a pretty emotional player. Don't act like you'd be alright with little timmy getting all up in your face after you were just heckled and stressed beyond belief.
7 likes@Justin Reuter which players?
0 likes@Le Bulge ZeRo Leffen ESAM Marss Tweek and many others have been salty and had angry outbursts during tournaments. HBox happens to have been somewhat bad with them in his past, due to how emotional he is/was. He's not a bad person, just has issues to overcome. The other stuff is old hearsay
5 likes@Justin Reuter Hearsay? So all the girls in the smash community who dislike him because he's been creepy shouldn't be believed?
0 likes@Le Bulge I remember hearing something small about that years ago but apparently it's pretty serious even now, I'd like to know all the evidence and inducements that are so career ruining recently
0 likes@Justin Reuter
0 likes"My mindset"
You literally do not even know my mindset.
@Justin Reuter lol who said anything about career ruining. I'm just trying to explain why people who have met him dislike him, since most of the discussion of him online is between people who have no idea what they are talking about. Here is a brief summary https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/amwcsl/genesis_melee_top_8_crowd_chanting_f_hbox_after/efpgqj2/
0 likes@Le Bulge but that's not the point, It's because he has always been treated like crap his whole career. He is shaking the world of melee, like Trump in the White House, and people are dening inevitable change in culture. The melee community will die, I just hope it's not because they hate Hbox so much.
2 likesI feel for him man.
@Tindalo damn, being two different people must be hard for like 99% of hbox fans
0 likes@Ephlaght Watched the whole thing, I like emp, but this was some bad framing on his end. It paints hbox like there isnt a reason to dislike his puff, hes boring compared to other players. Dont get me wrong, the dudes neurtal is beyond fucking perfect, almost impossible to beat and thats admirable, but that doesnt make me want to watch the guy. Plus Ive personally had some not so great interactions with him. But, people have good and bad days, noones perfect all the time.
1 like@Justin Reuter so ppl cant hate him as a person at all regardless of experience. wtf lol
0 likes@Tindalo meeting him once as some random in the context of a tournament or watching leffen's video doesn't count as experience. Most people that hate him are not really around him outside of tournaments.
2 likesClaudius Ptolemy Tbh, I’d also like to think a lot of his rudeness is his stage persona. That was mentioned in the video- he knew he was seen as the villain in the smash community and embraced it. You can’t have a good story without an antagonist, and it sure as hell did pay off for the smash community in the end.
0 likesIt really is a story as I see it. I think all these people have their characters they represent and portray. Mango represents that underdog, cocky go-getter, for example, as hungrybox represents the villain that wants to get to the top. His presence as a bad guy I think got to people. It’s been said he’s an asshole, but when an entire community looks upon someone as evil past their stage presence because of their stage presence, I think some bias gets mixed into people’s heads.
And yeah, he might’ve been an asshole way back when, but that was the past. He had a rough childhood, to be fair. That doesn’t excuse it but, something to consider. And, anyways, chances are the only proof we have of this is a handful of people from twitter saying something about it. I’d like to think he’s a good person deep down, really. He struggles with emotions but, I’m gonna firmly believe that hungrybox is a good guy with good intentions, who plays a villain in the community of a 19 year old game. And that villain status leaked into his real life, which gave him a status he never really deserved.
@Le Bulge Well the answer is neither of course! The only solution is to ask him yourself...
0 likes@Tindalo Well that's fair I suppose but if you want to see more captain Falcon the only real way to make that happen is to put up bounties for winning as falcon. You can't expect hungrybox to lose instead of playing his best character. Besides. I hate Fox...why? He's super common. He got boring. Puff is a nice change of pace.
1 likethe most GIGA CHAD in history
0 likesthis story is literally Shakesperean
1 likeThe fact that HungryBox mained Jigglypuff. Lots of respect there.
0 likesLater Edit: I appreciate the fact that this older game is still being played. There are so many other games that could have a huge winning streak, but die out. i thought this documentary was amazing! I always saw Game history being so cool, because the little information that could exist, would be one of the most interesting. Thank you so much for the great information I learned in a well spent hour and thirty minutes.
17:58 I never thought I would hear that said in a serious tone for a documentary
0 likesCommon youtuber: "10 minutes vid about mostly nothing to appease algorithm"
149 likesMad lad Lemon: Movie length feature about one of the best smash players in history
That's work of art
pls someone show me something as great as this
0 likesif hbox wants to maintain his top 10 status he needs to get off of ult and go practice
1 likeI don’t get why people seem to hate this guy. He seems real cool!
0 likeshungrybox keep dping you !
0 likesImagine, You enter a Tournament with the User name "Dr. Pee Pee" as a joke, and then that Joke name sticks with you because you became one of the Top player in the game
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PPMD is one of my favorite players, dude
10 likesChronicle Zombie imagine playing a pet deck in 2020
6 likespvzh gang where you at
1 likeMew2King doesn't have to imagine.
2 likesPPMD as his new tag was a great way to turn that shit around, at least a little bit
2 likes@bray Pretty funny, But I don't play the game anymore, I just like this one specific zombie as my pfp
0 likesGo hungybox go hungry box
1 likesometimes I become hangry box
0 likes"raw crab" you mean dead crab... a dead crab was thrown
0 likesIt’s all fun and games until and I’ve climbed grabs you
1 likeSo your saying he found a way to beat everyone through trial and error and learning the matchup and people got mad?
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NightxKillaT_T the competitive audience community is like that, what I got is the issue was more that jiggly puff was neither fun to watch nor to play against. It was all dodge then one hit so neither the opponents or the audience could actually enjoy a show, tf2 suffers from a similar issue in control points comp because it is the worst game type we have, yet it’s still one of the most popular competitive leagues for some reason.
94 likesits toxic because nintendo refuses to support the scene
29 likesOUTPLAYED, OUTWITTED, AND THEY SEETHE WITH ANGER!
33 likesyou’re* :D
4 likesForgotten Syrup
9 likesThat’s just like, you’re opinion man.
No, but honestly, as a Samus main I feel that. I love playing Samus, but I can never get a match in with any of my friends. I mean, I’m good AND don’t spam, but I’m not so good that I 3 stock them every time or anything like that, yet my friends all still don’t like playing against me for more than a match because they get bored.
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0 likesalso puff is lame but yeah pretty much
Correct and what is the problem? (This is sarcasm hbox is one of my favorite top players.)
0 likes@Forgotten Syrup I find "risk it or die" characters really fun though. Puff's rhythm is also different then other characters
2 likesI think Puff plays are pretty fun, because I don't see that much of them when I follow an entire tournament.
9 likesit's his personality and that his playstyle isn't fun to watch
1 like@Kelvin Cheng The smash community is amazing and I've met some of the greatest guys going to locals and playing friendlies at people's houses. Maybe the reddit group makes the rest of us look bad, but isn't that what reddit does for everything? But yeah, I live in Orlando, Florida and he's definitely not a role model type of guy. I enjoyed the video but I believe the author was stretching at the end and came to the wrong conclusion. The evidence was all there--he just emphasized certain points over others. He states that this community is the only one to loathe our best player. Maybe this is true and maybe it isn't, but let's assume it is true. Would this be the fault of the entire community in all 50 states + international players or 1 single person? Kind've seems implausible to assume the majority of the community's hate stems from a boring play-style rather than the personality and actions of Hbox. Anyone who doesn't respect his dedication and skill are delusional, but living in his home town and seeing his attitude up close, it's hard to respect his personality.
3 likes@Nathan Houser Yes because the melee community is the least mature. The game is horribly broken, that puts most people off playing it at a higher level. It's controls, needlessly obtuse. Puts more people off. This distills you down to the worst elements of competitive gaming. This bleeds over into the fans. I know decent people that love melee too but that game begs for a shitbird scene and it got it.
2 likesNobody else lets their "gods" skip pools. The rest of the FGC calls people godlike... and just hopes some nobody bodies them in pools. They make their top players earn it every time, and face the endurance challenge that any newcomer will have to go through.
Marvel 2 players used to think they had the douchebag scene figured out... turns out they had no idea how far it could go. Why settle for just broken and buggy when you can shrink the community further with controls so bad, people say with a straight face that the gamecube controller is the ideal platform.
I'm not trying to hate on you personally or everyone that plays melee, but the nature of this game, and some crap decisions by the TOs over the years have made this game a haven for obsessive brats.
@Forgotten Syrup but it's a fighting competition, not an entertainment show first. It's not an "issue".
1 like@G D I'm glad I typed that whole essay for you, you copypasted it, and still somehow can't read it.
2 likesMelee is needlessly obtuse. Lots of games have bugs and exploits worked into their competitive scene. The issue is that the floor to just play melees fundamentals is needlessly high because even those are predicated on these bugs and shackled by the poor control scene.
This shrinks the number of people who are going to stick around. Protects the top players from a heavy influx of new talent.
Lots of things are hard. The guitar isn't "needlessly obtuse" the depth of what you can do with a guitar is provided by the properties that make it difficult. There's currently no other ways to provide that depth. Melee's mechanics and strategies are in other games with far more reliable and precise controls at a lower barrier to entry.
And this is a scene that doesn't make its "gods" play through pools. Gotta protect the best players from the fatigue of having to play all damn day...
@G D It doesn't dictate the maturity of individuals in the scene. It does influence the general maturity of the scene as a whole.
1 likeIf you think what the game is, and what it requires to participate in has NO effect on the maturity of the scene you're being naive.
And I'm not talking about some narrow version of maturity with things like being polite and not laughing if someone says fart... I'm talking about the reckless entitlement that is hating people for evolving the competitive scene(hating hungrybox) protecting your gods from pools(this is the scenes worst offense in the FGC) and being unable to see the flaws in the game without feeling personally attacked... ehem.
@G D It is coddling. If you want to have an invitational tournament do it. But these "gods" skipping pools and then playing exhausted lower level players in top 32/16 with their hands and brains fresh is definitely coddling. Certainly these players aren't heavily reliant on the coddling... but it's competitive malpractice.
3 likesIt being a nintendo game, specifically a gamecube game, certainly is another factor. But Melee is hype, and got enough of a scene and attention that it would have grown out of it's limited cultural spectrum if the effort to depth ratio wasn't such garbage.
Everyone I personally know in the FGC respects the work it takes to be good at melee, and they respect the competitive scene. And that "nintendo" stigma definitely made that take longer than it should have. And we've all spent a bit of time exploring playing the game competitively. But like so many people we're faced with a choice.
Do you play 1 to 3 fighting games who's depth is not obscured behind terrible controls and code being pushed waaaay beyond it's original design? Or do you get passable at melee... When we were having these conversations years ago it was a bit more of a valid question. But melees gates kept the scene small, and now that it's top players are dying of arthritis or moving on to other games they have no fresh blood to keep it strong.
Again you keep repeating that "i know people that are not immature doofs" yes I've acknowledged that... my point is the nature of the game, and the way the scene has been handled, keeps your community smaller, high barrier to entry, low reward for the work. So you get distilled down to a hyperdedicated core... that will have very little fresh input to challenge any of it's worst aspects.
I'm not saying people that play melee are asshats. I'm saying melee as a game is asshat catnip. That's not the communities fault... except for the god coddling thing but that's more of icing on the cake of melees garbage controls.
@K R reading comprehension problem my dude. It's not salt. It's an understanding of the cost of getting good at any given game.
1 likeCall when melee catches up to ST, 3s or marvel 2 on ridiculous longevity man. I respect the scene but you got that sheltered life if you think it's the greatest of the greatest in that regard.
It's a matter of expanding the scene there are great melee players that also play well at other games. The time sink just is so uneven for melee and the payoff just not worth it to keep enough fresh blood coming into the game. As soon as a competently designed new smash came out melee you can hang it up on the scene growing.
I'm not gonna type ALL this shit again for you to not read it. Yes melee suffers from lack of support. It suffers from launching with a narrow gamecube scene. It suffers from early snubbing by the FGC at large... but it outgrew all of that... It can't outgrow it's disproportionate ask of time investment just to get to the skill floor. For people that are willing to do it great.
Melee is hype, have your scene... but like try not to whine when someone is calling out the fundamental issues that kept that scene a lot smaller than it could have been and they aren't included in your accepted list.
Miss me with the callout. I didn't get on here and claim to be hotshit at all the games. I came here to point out melees scene problems are predicated on the game itself, and to a lesser extent the organizers.
And I'm not gonna pay for MK until they start paying their animators... cause clearly that's not happening. DBZF is cool though, haven't played since launch and never really got on the grind for it.
@G D Smash 5 goes a long way to giving the genre a long term scene. Because players don't have to make a career out of getting the character to do simple spacing, the scene can branch out and start developing depth. Now that may not hold up. Marvel 3 ended up being more broken and stale than Marvel 2, we all thought we knew what broke was....
1 likeYes I understand that the melee community doesn't care about pools... and that's the issue. You should care if you want the competitive pipeline to flow more freely. There's no doubting melees gods are hotshit... but the rest of the FGC doesn't let you keep the crown, you gotta earn it every time you step up. Prove you can beat all the new strats, all the new cheeses. I can't help but think melee would have had a lot more hungry boxes challenging the meta if every up and comer didn't slam into a fresh Armada or Mango after tearing their hands up trying to wavedash and multishine through their pools. It certainly would have made people respect innovating enough to maybe not throw a crab at a dude who busted his ass to win evo while working a fulltime job.
Other fighting games have people putting just as much time into them... they just spend more of that time developing the meta and strats instead of fighting with the controller. I'm not telling you not to like what you like. And I've got friends that barely touched melee that respect the hell out of the scene even though we're more 3s/Tekken kids.
But melee never needed to be such a nightmare in fighting with the controls and input parsing. This is a flaw of the game and everything you love about it would have spent more time happening across a bigger scene were that problem solved.
Someone pointed out once that all the fox mains, who can practice tech skills in tutorial mode for hours and get better, get really upset about a character like puff, that needs insane match up knowledge but significantly less tech skill. Hos be mad cus Juan has more experience lul.
0 likes@Von Hatred I feel that. I main Banjo and people hate how they move and that you have to worry about side b, and then you land one or two in a game because of a read or to punish another laggy move and they scream that you're spamming.
1 likeLiterally took "Git Gud" seriously, now they mad. Y dey mad tho?
0 likes@Forgotten Syrup 5cp is the only good way to play 6s and koth maps kinda suck lol
0 likesNo, he was to bad to ever reach number 1 through conventional ways, which is why he uses a lot of cheap tactics
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron you baiting bro?
0 likesive literally never played with anyone but kirby for the last 15+ years an i fuck shit up, period. come at me bro.
0 likes5:44 chills
0 likes29:03 when you realize you listening to an 8 bit Michael Jackson song and it's🔥🔥🔥🔥
0 likesA wordle where I can live a world with a god called DR.PeePee
0 likesEarnhardt/Hungrybox
266 likesOne of the best starts at a national level
Declined due to the foundation of competition changing
Rebounded with a close friend who doubled as a coach
Loathed for their racing/playstyle
Vocal about the upper management (NASCAR/Nintendo involvement in the scene)
Known more for their competition moniker more than the everyday person
Proven record that is often dismissed
Accused of ruining the sport/game due to their far cry approach
If Earnhardt were still alive, I'd love to see both him and Juan sit down for an episode of the Gap to discuss their struggles and triumph as villains of their respective craft
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I never had a problem with ernheart, what controversy with him are you talking about? Me and my grandma thought he was a good person and we rooted for him till he died, really just because we liked his personality, he just happened to be one of the best, sorry for the long message, I just want to know what controversies because grandma said she can't think of any, but she does not judge people by rumors or word of others but the things we see them say, so what happened, again sorry for the long message
4 likesdrobin son Emperorlemon also did a whole video about him that’s why he made this comment. He raced aggressively and got to be one of the best at the cost of becoming an antagonist to everyone else.
6 likesTalk about a dude named "Dr. PeePee" as a god😂 can't make this stuff up
0 likesSomeone threw a RAW CRAB damn how do you even think of something like a RAW CRAB hahahah it feels so unbelievably random
0 likeswho the hell throws a crab at a man
0 likes7:14 bullshit! the biggest difference to other fighters is not the health system but the controls, how can you not see that?! very easy to understand, hard to master, that is what it is about, not the damn health. even a child can learn any attack a smash character can do, what other fighting game can you say this about?
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Wow that’s exactly what he said, literally congrats you just called him an idiot and restated what he said. The health system also plays a huge part, that’s why it’s hard to master, as a platform fighter.
8 likesEdit: If smash had a regular health system, it wouldn’t be nearly as interesting. No edge guards, people wouldn’t combo the same because they would be focused on damage output, etc.
Edit 2: your also mistaken.
Many moves in melee have ridiculously hard execution, wavedashing, samus’ extender, etc.
Emp made me watch wrestling to the point i want to be a wrestler when i grow up. Literally every single topic he talks about makes you interested.
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Every episode of Never Ever is an absolute masterpiece and criminally underrated. Nobody I've recommended these videos to has ever watched a single one of them
38 likesWhat if he was a math teacher. Would math become interesting?
1 like@Cool win I already enjoy math so I probably would find it interesting
1 likeAnd you've got a Dale Earnhardt pfp! Sweet
2 likesDew it for Dale!
1 likeI didn't care about NASCAR, Wrestling, Spongebob, or Competitive Melee... now I have respect.
2 likesI legitimately started looking into local races immediately after watching his Dale Earnhardt video, despite only owning a 2012 Pissat
2 likes10/10 documentaries
GOD DAMMIT DR PEEPEE IS EVERYWHERE
0 likespretty sure it was axe that threw it. XD
1 likeStarted from smash 64, skipped melee, skipped brawl and now play smash ultimate.
0 likesHe’s like HHH
0 likesKevin Nanney: I need a name that will be synonymous with me forever.
608 likesAlso Kevin Nanney: Dr. PeePee
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i mean, he DID change it to PPMD so its not exactly synonymous forever
35 likesKevin Nanney? What's his father's name, Kevin Nurse?
2 likesI think it may be a That 70's show reference
0 likes@PsyGuy Yggdrasil No, he went to his first tournament and spilled Dr. Pepper on his pants. Decided to enter as Dr. PeePee as a joke and it stuck
27 likes@EgoRiot thanks for the melee lore
2 likesgod i love this video
0 likesI gotta say, I did not see the video going in this direction. The crab was the most plot twist ass shit I've ever seen on Youtube lol.
1 likehonestly….who throws a crab
0 likesthere will Never Ever be another Melee player like sandstorm (he was the best player of all time in brawlhalla a game with around 50 million players somewhat compared but ultimately different from smash games, his style of gameplay and overall domination for 3 years earned him to be the best player so sad he's gone now pls do video on him.
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dude respectfully nobody cares about brawlhalla lmao
1 likeWatching this makes me so angry.
553 likesI think I'm hot shit, but I can at least admit there's no way I could deal with what Hbox dealt with.
Literal jeering and violence at every last corner, not even freed in the safety of his own home, and it doesn't stop there.
All this over a videogame.
I just wanna give Hbox a hug for all the fire he has endured.
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Never played the game in my life, but HBox desereves some love
38 likesYeah, i take pride in "play lame win game" and abusing my opponent's lack of patience and want for flashiness, and as much as i wish i was good enough to play the asshole heel in the big stage, i'm not sure i'd tolerate the downplay HBox suffered.
33 likesBut man, people saying you're "killing" a game because you win too much?I'd love that. It's such an easy thing to spin into a heel promo. Take a copy of the game to the stage and stomp on it before grand finals, completely own that idea, you'd be the ultimate villain.
Kayvee when u put it like that I'd totally wear it as a title lmao. Carrie the grim reaper of melee, take me down before I take ur game down
21 likeshe's a better man for it. Came out the end stronger in my opinion
3 likesamen
0 likesYea, luckily Hbox has been doing well in the community rn. With his youtube channel and him playing smash ultimate, it seems like ppl rly like him and look up to him as a content creator now. Which is a good turnaround from the hardships he endured
7 likesMostly it’s all an act, a performance in itself. People pick and choose who to root for, and some are very passionate, but most Smash players are cool.
0 likesIncredible.
0 likesMan, Tomar sure gets mad if you throw crabs at him.
0 likesim 5 minutes in paused to get up and its an hour long? this is gonna be interesting
0 likesAsk Netflix to put this on Netflix bro it’s the best documentary I’ve watched even better then my octopus teacher thank u.
0 likesMan, I'm ashamed to admit that I was one of the people rooting for Melee to fail once SSBU came out. Now that I can appreciate melee for what it is I see how childish I was. Both games can co exist and I hope Melee never dies.
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its nice to see how someone who puts time and care into their informative content can change the minds of many. and its great to see youre an open minded person willing to accept your mistakes
63 likesBro same
1 likeUltimate is trash. It has cool features and maps but the gameplay is awful. And online is unplayable
6 likes@Chad Kirk My comment was about how I learned to mature and respect people playing things I don't like because they still have merit. The video was about how the hate for Hungrybox in the Melee community is the same hate the Smash community has for Melee and the fighting game community has for Smash. I've grown past wanting Melee to die even though I dislike it because other people do like it. The Melee fanbase being so elitist is why it's hated, and what will ultimately lead to its demise as fewer and fewer people come to defend it. Going around telling other people their games are trash is not helping Melee's case and is contrary to both my own comment and the video itself.
32 likesUltimate Online is still unplayable though
Same here, but I got into ultimate want to understand the community. So I look into melee and got absorbed into it. It's not my kind of game but by golly i see too it that it's doesn't die if I have to.
3 likes@Chad Kirk if you add "online ultimate" then you would be fine but you are once again defining why everyone hates the smash community
1 likeHope is an accurate word; Melee will die, but Brawl and Super smash will die too- hell, Ultimate will die at some point.
0 likesIf Brawl had succeeded in drawing the comp. community, Melee would've died years ago, but because of the way it has, this has happened.
Melee will likely see at least some prolificancy (word I just made up) going into the 2030's, stagnate heavily into the 2040's and onward when most original players are old and decrepit, and finally die sometime a decade or so after, due to it not being able to draw in enough newer players.
Who knows? It might just stick around for even longer, this is just speculation, but it's going to die eventually, and that's the sad reality of being the fan of any community long-term.
Now if only the smash bros community can have this mentality when it comes to fire emblem, melee, new comers, ect
1 like@Chad Kirk Ultimate ain't trash. That's the same as saying Melee is trash
0 likesSide special: Throw crab
0 likesInsanely good documentary
1 like52:16 dude in the back got everyone
0 likesPeople hate the best of the best. I come from CS and it's always been true.
0 likesPeople hated Astralis, People despised Fnatic, People hated NIP. It's sad.
Hungrybox's patience has allowed him to outlive all the rest of the gods
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Furjaden his character allows for that tho to be fair it’s a low input patient, floaty character , this coming from Samus main
11 likesFunnily enough the only character in Smash Melee that I can play is Peach. By far the easiest moveset to figure out as a beginner and it's a relatively strong character as well.
4 likesI kind of feel bad for people who like Fox and Falco. They really have to do a lot more work. Also Armada has a ton of really helpful stuff for Peach.
Sadly I don't play Melee. I've only really tried it for a couple hours because I don't have a proper controller. I'm playing on a PS3 controller so certain mechanical skills like wavedash and L-cancel are literal cancer and so inconsistent to do that it's not even worth practicing them. Maybe I'll start playing Melee more seriously in the future assuming the scene doesn't die anytime soon :P
@ッDazeen Peach is actually a really technical character. I play falco and find a lot of his stuff easier to do than Peach's tech.
0 likes@rakkatytam Well I haven't played Melee for more than 5 hours but Peach's basics are hundred times easier than any other characters's imo.
1 likemangos still here
7 likesidk mango still there bro
6 likes@Zweimander ok
2 likes@Zweimander Hungrybox is number 1.
0 likesHungrybox the world isn't ready for you, and don't even deserve you... You really are a legend, a true legend.
0 likesEven some genious in history were hunted by their contributions to the world, sometimes to face a difficult reality it is very very hard for most part of the people out there, but keep facing them, you have proven to be the best!
There's no luck in doing what you did, if it was easy to do it, so many others could reach you with puff, and yet no one did, even with faster and stronger characters no one surpress your will to be even greater than you already are!
It seems some people have forgotten that in a fight game, even if not into a tradicional one, strategy is one of the most important things, and persistence and constant training and facing new challenges and getting better and better is your only way to make it to the top, is not because puff isn't the most mechanicaly complex, that it is easy to play, or don't requiers ability, it's the oppposite...
When you have to face the entire world, with some "weak" "slow" character, that's the real challenge...
After all in other kinds of games, you can set the difficult mode to the most hardcore, and you will see that your character will be nerfed and the bosses will be stronger and harder, faster etc...
The hardcore is to overcome every challenge and everyone with the most underpower character, and you did it...
Playing with puff might not be visually appealing, but so what, you've made the impossible so many times.
Keep your awesome work!
Don't let them to forget that being the best player is not the same that using the "best character", if they don't like puff they should only admire how you were able to go so far with it.
them will never ever be another fine drink like the shampoo bottle previously in my shower
0 likesnow in my fridge :)
49:52 I don't believe my eyes, TYBG.
1 likenot a gaming guy, so feel free to tell me why. But why are tens of thousands watching these two elite players sitting on crappy conference room chairs playing on a crt tv balanced on a little table? to keep it og? surely they could make it a way cooler setup?
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part of it is melee plays best on a crt tv. other tvs have imput lag on them
5 likesprobably because the players expected a smaller crowd. turns out melee was a lot more popular than the players themselves thought.
0 likesLove the other 9 melee competitors that say that Hbox is killing melee by winning
0 likesLike if you wanna save melee so bad.... Then get better than him
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Well hbox is probably the 5th best right now behind Mango, Zain, Cody and Wizzrobe so they have gotten better than him.
0 likes@Rekt_Yer_Nan_Darding _ I thought hbox was still number one in terms of live battles
0 likes@Lil Kiwi no he's gotten better since live events are back but he still can't beat Mango, Zain, IBDW (Cody) and Wizzrobe.
1 like@Rekt_Yer_Nan_Darding _ huh- still in that time. Thanks for notifying me
1 likeIn present day hungry is now the only surviving old gods and the new gods are like the titans or something like wow lol. Just sounds cool, the one they call the box of hunger…he….it….is the last remaining of the old gods in the before times.
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Mango is literally ranked #1 in the world right now
0 likesThe tragic hero.
0 likesHonestly, who the fuck brings a crab to a game tournament??
1 likeI don't know anything about smash but this nearly made me cry.
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I knew about Smash bros, I was playing Super Smash bros Ultimate but when this video came out the first day I watched it. It was inspiring and now I'm a very big Super Smash bros Melee fan!
11 likesThe first time i watched it, I felt completely normal, the second time I watched it i was nearly led to tears.
16 likes@Burning Marshmallow same!!
3 likesI literally only played Super Smash Flash 2 as a kid, cut I wasn't allowed to play video games
4 likesYeah it sure is emotional
0 likesLol, Hbox is a controversial person
0 likesMe and my Esports team be watching this rn
0 likesAmazing video
0 likesThird time watched, i should stop but it's sooo good lmao
0 likesTHANK YOU BASED GOD
0 likesI actually sat there and watched an hour and a half documentary about a guy from a community I barely even knew existed, based around a game that I played for a couple of years as a kid... damn.
97 likesImpressive work.
I started with ssbb then moved to ssbu and ended with ssbm
0 likesWoah!!! Did anyone else notice 52:16?
2 likes...and now there is just "juan" (one) lol
1 likeWhy did mango dedicate his life to smash with nothing to fall back on, when these dudes are maybe making like 600-1000 dollars every couple of months from these tournaments. At least the one dude has an engineering degree
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Lol don't worry about it. Stop watching moves, its none of ur business.
1 like@1stIParkMyCar because sometimes you gotta take a stab at doing something you love. Mango said if he didn't make it in smash he'd probably be working in a 7/11 with Joey lol.
0 likes@Rekt_Yer_Nan_Darding _ then hes probably working at a 7-11 right now
0 likes@1stIParkMyCar nah right now he's Mr 93 on twitch and the official GOAT of melee
0 likes"Your character is an extension of the self."
961 likesMario Kart Wii player: Laughs in Funky Kong
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i laughts in the best car
7 likesTime to get funky 😎
17 likesMe who uses baby Luigi and shy guy in Mario kart 😅
4 likesL0l
0 likesking boo be like
2 likesFunky Kong ASMR intensifies.
5 likesI play Bowser so do I say the n word?
3 likesWait, so they're dead?
0 likesMe, who uses rosalina just because I thought she was cool: truly an extension, indeed.
1 likemkwii is totally the melee of mario kart change my mind
11 likesWhat you mean? Mk Wii players clearly want a funky time
0 likesYou forgot Daisy
0 likesI actually play as dry bones
0 likesKoopa troopa mains rise up
0 likesMe, who plays Joker in Ultimate, an extension of myself that has an extension of themselves through their Persona, which is themselves in essence:
0 likesI'm uh, the Thou that art I, that is the Thou of Them, that is also I?
@Daniel Hastings that is the most accurate thing i have heard
0 likesi never thought i would see a reference to competitive mkwii in the top comments of a video with millions of views. i have hope for the future
0 likesNerdism don’t forget Daisy and that Mach bike
0 likesHow have I watched this video 5 times
2 likesI haven't played much Smash since N64, but I now like my boy Hungry box and think Mango is a waste of space.
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that AMA happened many years ago, mang0 has changed since then
0 likesis it just me that finds it interesting that Hungrybox seems healthier and happier with gaining weight and age
1 likeJust here to say don't forget to give credit to Crunch.
1 like2008: Long ago, the five gods lived together in friendly rivalry.
520 likes2019: THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
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@Shaman Xeed it seems pretty real to me
14 likesmeanwhile mango is chilling in the crowd as the 4 five gods start to attack one another
6 likesYou mean there can only be Juan
4 likesIll see myself out now
@Shaman Xeed Someones salty about the highest selling fighting game of all time...
1 likeShaman Xeed You’ve replied to a lot of comments saying that shame bullshit. Why does it bother you that people enjoy something?
0 likes@Shaman Xeed Things that aren't ball in a cup aren't real activities.
0 likesYou guys know shaman is just desperately trying to advertise their channel right? By seeing it, he clearly doesn’t like fighting games, which is a matter of taste, but I do see that he is stereotyping which can be very insulting. So all of you, relax and enjoy this great video Emp made.
2 likes@Shaman Xeed The numbers say otherwise.
0 likesThen, everything changed when Hungrybox attacked.
0 likesThe fifth god, DrPeePee
0 likesI nominate Hikaru Nakamura for the next video.
0 likesThis reminds me of GarretG's RLCS story.
0 likesThe scary thing about the GameCube is that it was released 2 days after 9/11
2 likes"There were once 4 others just like him. Now there's only Juan."
840 likesI really should be mad at you. I'm really not tho.
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It ain´t easy being Number Juan
41 likes@Shaman Xeed
3 likesDamn, that's some top quality bait.
XDDD
0 likesWhat about mango or m2k?
0 likesI'll agree for everyone you mention except Tom Brady. Reason being, he has publicly admitted to cheating and still gets to keep all his records and will still be admitted to the hall of fame. Had he never cheated, I would not have disdain for him. Let's see what he continues to do in Tampa, this is a chance to redeem his credibility, but I still feel none of his records should stand. Pete Rose gambled and lost out on hall of fame and records. Ben Johson got caught cheating and lost his world record run.
0 likesTime spent was worth it
0 likesI was just kinda listening in the background until I heard DR. PeePee
1 likei remember passing by there everyday
0 likesImagine going into a building and hearing “Mango is going to take it over Dr. PeePee”
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Lol i would think it was some immature adults
20 likesRezantheDude Duder You ain’t wrong
12 likesI want to know how many times he had to record him saying Dr. PeePee without laughing. He sounds like a very mature adult but like, I am too and wouldn’t want to have to say Dr. PeePee at all.
8 likesYou need to be getting bigger. You need to be putting on mass. You need to be snacking constantly. Raw whole milk, raw eggs, Greek yogurt, ice cream, cottage cheese, honey, oats, carpaccio and charcuterie and cheese. You need to be huge
0 likesIt’s actually wild how delusional gamers are lmao. Like obviously not all of us, but the ones who post corny memes about how gaming is some unique thing only those special enough can understand. Wether it’s console war nonesense or harassing streamers/ competitive players, they seem totally disconnected from reality. And like obviously, the people who make virtual worlds such a large part of their lives is likely gonna have a not great relationship to the real world, but you’d hope they’d at least manage to keep a grip. Instead everything about these spaces is blown way out of proportion to match the stakes of the real world. It’s not just the fact that they hate on someone who’s never done anything wrong to them, but the obsessive degree to which it happens with everything is like not healthy at all and speaks to some fucked up aspect of our culture. I first really experienced it with like fucking game grumps where people like combed social medias and put together timelines to try to figure out private shit that doesn’t matter. Fucking scary world out there.
2 likesI just can't with Dr. PeePee like wtf
1 likeI think Mango Leffen And hBox Should Talk :))
0 likesI know this'll probably get buried, and you may not see it, but I've gotta say it. I never really followed many sports or esports (Except LoL), but there was this Melee player I always admired. Hungrybox is a hero to guys like me. To people that have to work or go to school full time, you proved that we can still be great at the things we love to do. Thank you.
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dude was a god with fulltime classes and later a career, thats some inspiration
10 likesSamsora does that too and he’s not a scumbag
0 likesWe share the same name
0 likesI don't log in to like many videos, but Hbox deserves it, so I'm loggin' in to like this one. Also, great work on the documentary Emp. 10/10 biography.
6 likesI can say I'm in a similar boat as Christian here. :D
Christian Daniel tyt
0 likesImagine getting buried.
0 likes@Poptart Samsora only goes to college part time, and hbox is not a scumbag. Get your facts straight before you talk smack.
14 likesIt’s funny how people can think puff has a low skill ceiling while ignoring it took one player year upon years to master puff enough to be #1. Seems contradictory, no? Mastering simplicity isn’t easy.
0 likesAlso, I will say I don’t full understand why there’s no items at all. Or, I mean, why there aren’t two separate fields of competition - one with, one without. Sometimes it feels like if you got rid of power weapons in Halo and it was just 4v4, BR only for the entire match. It’s not just having them, but it’s the contesting of power weapons - in this case, items - that adds an entire layer of strategy to the game.
I emphasize again that I don’t think it’s a binary option between melee should or shouldn’t have items, but that maybe there should be two directions of competition. A Rocket Launcher and Sniper doesn’t make Halo less competitive. Smash could be similar with the right tweaks
Fuckin Exquisite sir 👌
1 likethe jigglypuff mains... they just too good
0 likesWhen does a crab get thrown at hunger cube
0 likesI just watched an hour and a half of 1 person’s journey playing a decades old game. Meanwhile I still can’t pay attention in class.
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This is entertaining and absorbing. Classes aren't
26 likesthis video is the reason why ive picked up the game and now dont finish like any homework, its too damn fun
5 likesBecause classes never make the information appealing. This video is design to entertain you. Classes aren't they're design to throw information at you, and who ever absorbs it does.
2 likesYou payed attention to this video, didn't you,
0 likesim supposed to be doing my homework rn but yk that doc was very good
0 likesresearch adhd
0 likes@Chivi-chivik TRUUUU espesically fucking online
0 likes@Anonymous Yeah like my science class is literally reading four paragraphs of something, going over the terms once, and then testing at the end of the week.
0 likesIf classes were anywhere near as interesting or engaging as the content in this video, people would pay a lot more attention.
0 likes@TmK stop tryna make people think they have adhd. I know for a fact I don't have it.
0 likesThere will Never Ever be another game like Jacksmith
1 likerising of the melee hero
0 likesPour one out for the crab.
1 likeYou poke the ballon and it will pop(-off)
1 like1:19:38 I thought the dude cheering was going to ignore Hbox's fistbump.
418 likesHe went for a hug.
Man, the feels...
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Can you believe that people actually got angry for him doing that lmao
56 likesJoeDan54 At this point, on the internet, if there’s an opinion to be had, it exists. End of story.
34 likes@JoeDan54 wait really damn. I love watching iBDW, and that was such a big moment.
4 likesReal "awwww" moments only here, folks.
2 likesIt should be up to the loser to initiate the hug. Not the winner. The winner fist bumps, if the loser wants to hug then great!
1 likeI'd probably not feel too good about losing and then being hugged by the guy that beat me.
@BadWater Bouldering but why would the loser want to hug? The winner wants to hug to show there is no hard feelings and there is real respect for the oponent. The winner gets excited because he has so much respect for the oponent and knows said oponent is skilled . It would be kinda rude to win and just fist bump without any reaction, it shows disrespect and how you don't actually think your oponent is skilled . It's like spamming EZ after a win , it's toxic . Going in for the hug helps showcase to the looser that you truly respect them . There is no reason for the looser to hug the winner , the looser is the one that needs comfort . The respectable thing to do as a looser is shake hands with the winner after a match , a fist bump is like saying "gg" and a hug is like saying " man that was a challange .I'm so happy right now , I really respect you "
15 likes@Dragon Bullets watch Armada hug Plup after Plup beats him for the first time. That is a respectful hug coming from the loser. Armada knows Plup had been struggling against him for so many years, and gives him a hug out of respect.
2 likesOr when Axe beat Wizzrobe to win smash summit. Wizzy is the one to initiate the hug.
I'm sure Cody respects the hell out of Hbox, and I'm sure he was hyped and didn't know what to do. But I don't believe he should hug him. Cody beat him, fair and square. Fist bump. GG. Pop off! But don't pop off on your opponent by hugging them.
I don't know these guys personally. I don't know exactly what they're feeling. But what I know for sure is that when I lose, the last thing I want is for the guy who beat me to get in my personal space.
You know none of it really matters though. It's kind of just small potato social cues that may or may not be misinterpreted by a largely socially awkward group of video game players lol
@BadWater Bouldering bruh idk dude . When I play sports and win first thing I do is chat to the other team and kinda tell them how good they did and how I think they did good against me personally. It's just different personalities , I am not social, I don't pick up social cues at all since they mostly Don't apply to me. That led to me having a bad relationship with my family , but I genuinely think there shouldn't be unwritten rules to how you can show respect , it depends on the person you are showing respect to and interacting with . If you wanna be kind , be kind in your own way , if it annoys the other person , said other person can discuss the problem with you later
4 likes@Dragon Bullets that's what I'm saying, I don't know these guys so I'll let them be whoever they wanna be.
1 like"Underground scene" ROFL cmon it is not that deep.
0 likesits so funny the last god's name is dr. peepee
0 likesWho remembers the emperor lemon YouTube poop tho👀
0 likesThank god this hate didnt happend to mkleo.god video
0 likesI think a lot of the Hbox hate also boils down to the fact that people don't want to be wrong. They could realize Hbox is a good player, but since they've hated him for so long they keep hating him because they don't want to accept the fact that they're wrong and they're an asshole
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Ah yes, the Nickleback Effect.
35 likes@iamtigra also known as the 'styx' effect
11 likesOr maybe you know nothing about this game?
2 likes@Paradise` huh?
9 likesI mean he is a good player but it's not fun to fight him or to watch him
3 likes@jates513productions any top player would do the same or better if they wanted to. They just dont wanna play a boring char and kill melee in the same way, imagine puff mirror... On the opposite side, have u ever seen hboxs fox? Lul, he have 0 mechanical skills, even my fox is better than his.
0 likes@Paradise` Yeah, look at all the top level puff players out here killing Melee. There's too many, I cant keep track
43 likes@Paradise` no i got your statement, I just was taking notice at how many Puff players there are killing the game. Also, how are you planning to judge a guy for playing a character he doesn't play? I'd suck at Fox too if I solo mained Puff for 10+ years. You can say his playstyle is boring and that Puff is boring to watch, but I dont see what you're trying to prove here
39 likes@jates513productionsthat his wins are not fully deserved (not exactly deseved i dnt know how to say in english because ofc he deserve to win if he beats the others) as a plup winning genesis for example
1 like@Paradise` "guy's he's not actually that good anyone could do it they just choose not to because it's boring, trust me, it doesn't matter that people have dedicated their entire careers to Ice Climber Wobbling, and not a single other player in the top 40 uses jigglypuff at all, hbox is different, it doesn't matter that melee is more popular then ever before, he's killing the game, trust me bro."
44 likes@Paradise` u
7 likes@Paradise` And your name doesn't
25 likes@Kaiser Matt Tygore I
0 likes@SirGentleBread okay random
0 likes@Paradise` Guys guys jigglypuff is 2 ez to win dats y no-one uses her
24 likes@SirGentleBread have you ever played this game ?
0 likes@Paradise` I've won tournaments but since I played jigglypuff they didn't count since it was too easy so I refused the trophy and instead went on with shame for winning with jigglypuff
30 likes@SirGentleBread roflmao
0 likes@Paradise` how can you even be serious about this? competitive games are ALWAYS about winning, not some artificial moral code. It might be that people lack determination to perfect a "boring" character but that doesnt take away from his achievement at all
24 likes@Paradise` imagine gatekeeping video game winner
18 likes@tw33kish who said I took this seriously, melee isnt even my main game. And i never wanted puff to be banned or smth, my point was pretty simple, puff is a lame and boring char thats all :)
0 likes@Xcm Ledder lmao you get real melee is a dead game compared to cs, and as a dead game (little community) there isn't enough player to see what would happen. Why do you think top players are always the same? Its not bcause they re gods its bcause there is not enough newcomers, the scene would be full of IBDW plup zain wizzy ginger etc but its not, sfat still there winning nothing (jst kd i love him).
0 likesAs you said I am not the guy saying this, but its pretty logical. I think people playing this game are doing it bcause they love it, you cant live from melee competitive, so the remaini'g thing is passion. Who tf would still wanna play melee for using this dumb char? Nobody
@Paradise` I found the idiotic leffen fan!
20 likes@Xcm Ledder Just let it go, man. He clearly isn't thinking about this.
1 like@Paradise` Imagine being so pressed over some smash player lmfaooooooo
2 likes@An opinion on YT idc at all mate!
0 likes@Paradise` did you even watch the video??
4 likes@B2099 yes and?
0 likes@Paradise` doesn't seem like it from all the comments
5 likes@B2099 mb thought you were the other guy, eeemmmhh so bcause this guy made a video this is the absolute truth? This guy have bias like every body (me and you included) I'm pretty sure some ppl of the community would laught hard watching this
0 likes@Paradise` but why are you discussing the same points that the video disproved AND laughed at??
6 likesLike..nothing against you but why are you so stubborn??
@B2099 is Hbox your dad or smth ? bro idgaf, youre free to keep arguing over smth i discussed 1mth ago. Puff is a lame char thats my point I have nothing to add bybye
0 likes@Paradise` I wasn’t arguing..
4 likesAnd I have nothing against”puff is boring”
That’s your opinion and as Long as it is not hurting anyone it is cool
Your “opinions” about Hbox on the other hand are the hurtful ones..you said you aren’t even a Smash player so why are you judging the guy like that? Especially when as I said before..the video addressed what you are saying
@B2099 Ok then. So when you talk bout medicine or some complex subjects (which isnt even the case here) you put your confidence into the guys who know better than you right (in the case of medicine, your doctor) what I said isn't even my thinking its the thinking of a alot of top player (ex Armada, leffen, mango, plup etc..), and who made this video??? A pure random yeah thats right. The video is cool im not denying that but its full biased (dnt even know if this word exist)
0 likes@Paradise` ok
4 likesGood point of view
But
Look how long they have been saying that..so why is Melee still alive?
They have been screaming for over a decade yet the game is getting more popular day after day..
Not all doctors are good doctors :)
Either ways..I respect your point of view but I find it unfair to say that the person that made the video is biased..he didn’t know Hbox before this so there is no reason for him to take “one side” of the argument
@Paradise` Dude. Just take the L.
4 likes@B2099 who know his reason? And melee isnt dead because hbox is the only puff player. Btw i dnt hate hbox or anything, we need a hbox in the scene
0 likes@Cdog Thehedgehog?
0 likes@Paradise` dawg just say u your a hater and move on
6 likes@Unknown Paradox your english is even worst than mine rofl
0 likes@Paradise` shut
2 likes@I’m a retard and Another fanboy?
0 likes@Paradise` so by ur logic. A guy is killing an entire game by playing a balloon in the game instead of a space animal (even though whenever he plays, the game gets more spectators)
5 likes@Shudeepta Rahman where did i say that? Im talking bout a world where everybody play puff, did you even read the conversation??
0 likes@Paradise` found Leffen’s alt account
4 likes@Water D ROFL
0 likes@Paradise`
3 likesYou're trolling, aren't you?
@Iman not rly mate :)
0 likes@Eddie Pozos oh yes he so know alot ofc as the beqt puff player his kbowledge about matchup are insane
0 likes@ANON#1 yeah this the real og one. No one even remembers styx anymore.
1 like@Eric Glenn Yeah, the sad thing is that they were a good band. But they were doomed because they were a prog act who weren't gods, while Queen, Rush, Yes and Asia were all around. In comparison to Freddie Mercury, anyone is shit
0 likes@Paradise` If you think that puffs playstyle is boring and you don’t dig the defensive playstyle, thats totally fine. You can think whatever you want. Discrediting Hungrybox‘s wins and dominance in the Melee meta tho by saying that he doesn’t deserve the wins, is just wrong man. He was called a god for a reason and I can assure that’s not because „Jigglypuff too ez“
1 like@michi 1312 just read the entire conversation mate, and btw yes he got carried by puff, hes clearly the worst mechanical player in the top10
2 likesLove the pokemon battle revolution music!
0 likesDude I would be happy if someone threw a crab at mean. I mean who does not want a free crab.
0 likesSummary: "mElLeE cOmMuNiTy iS hElLa tOxIc"
0 likesJiggly puff in melee is a she?
0 likesI thought it was based of the male one from the anime?
Think how inconceivable it is that the meta was incredibly centralised around a single character, Fox, but it was somehow the player that dared to play someone nobody else did that was destroying the game. That is a warped mindset. Unfortunately, watching the community fail to give any respect at all to the winner of their supposedly beloved game's tournaments tells me everything I need to know about said community.
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Not only that, but a character that is not favoured vs Fox too. I'd bet that if Fox was all anyone played the game would've died a long time ago.
84 likesfox was never entirely meta defining. also I don’t think forming your entire opinion of a community based on a single video is a good idea.
6 likes@William O’Malley But it's true, Melee or even the whole Smash community was so toxic and disrespectful, maybe it still is today. This video may be a reminder to the toxic tournament crowds to behave properly in the middle of a fucking profesional competition don't you think? This video is just a window of all the shit that happened around Melee's competition and community. And yes, about 90% of melee playerbase plays Fox, maybe you are a Fox player too and you got kind of butthurt? maybe?
42 likes@Betorockmetal Melee has definitely gotten significantly better in recent years. This video shows the absolute worst parts of the community from the past decade or so. and I play samus and link
4 likes@Betorockmetal It’s roughly 25%, based on data from Slippi (Melee’s online platform) and Major tournament character selections
10 likes@William O’Malley a community is defined by its fringes and how the community disciplines them. This shit doesnt happen in other communities lol
8 likes@BAAC CAAB That’s kind of a silly way to define a community. The fringes are fringes for a reason: because the rest of the community doesn’t like them.
7 likesYou know there are people who’ve literally murdered someone over a game of League or CoD. Does that mean the League community has blood on its hands?
As for “how the community disciplines them,” the guy who threw the crab was apparently a known troublemaker and was banned from his local scene after being found out, and the front pages of the SSBM Reddit / Twitter / whatever were flooded with support for HBox and shit for the crab thrower.
@William O’Malley the community literally tried to kill a game cause a newbie 14 year old won a tournament agaisnt a old stay. It's called new blood and child prodigies but you know you obviously didn't watch the video
12 likes@Drago Sniper I haven’t heard about that, when did it happen? Are you talking about the Isabelle player in SSBU? And I’ve watched this video like 6 times, one of my favorites on this platform
1 like@William O’Malley no what he mentioned innthe video. The dude named cpu who was on vacation when and joined the tournament and won
3 likes@Drago Sniper I wouldn't call CPU a "prodigy", nor would I call people abandoning brawl and moving back to the game they liked more actively trying to kill it. CPU was a badass though
6 likes@William O’Malley well yeah bit the point was tbis guy was saying "oh a kid like that shouldn't be able to beat a pro" like come on many wtf. That kid could want to be a pro now and he just found his calling but the Melle community is so toxic that they would berate him even if he won on brawl
6 likes@Drago Sniper I dunno man, I feel like you're assuming way too much about the situation. I didn't see anyone in the video of the game's comment section or smashboards talking shit about CPU as a player, only about Brawl and the fact that EVO had items on in grand finals for some fuckin reason.
3 likes@BAAC CAAB are you insane? how is any community defined by its fringes??? Like the islamic community is defined by the terrorists that blow themselves up and what the peaceful leaders try to do in the face of tragedy? please elaborate
1 likeI mean how can you not say the exact same thing about peach and see that the majority of players came to respect her gameplay and meta against fox after a single tournament grand finals that the peach didn't even win. Hello???
3 likesOut of curiosity, in Melee, what character has the best matchup vs Jigglypuff??
0 likesIs that Fox, or someone else?
@Fries it's most likely fox, but marth and falco do pretty good against jigglypuff as well
0 likesIdk man, most of the community likes hbox now, he's almost the most popular melee streamer
4 likesIts good to know the meta of a game, but its bad to be bound and gagged by it. This is a lesson for all people who play games with a competitive nature!
0 likes@Drago Sniper no that tournament was a sham tbh that kid had no prior experience whatsoever and they had items turned on
0 likes@Fries fox and marth are the best against puff imo
0 likes@William O’Malley >enter tournament for fun while on vacation
3 likes>beat everybody
> win tournament against legendary professional player
>explain nothing
>leave and never compete again
@Kaden Stimpson lmao yeah
0 likes@Drago Sniper what cringe series of comments. You watched the video, as well. I agree that the hate towards the kid was too much, but he won a tournament in which items were enabled, ultimates were enabled, and there were no stage bans. This tournament clearly didn't have any of the set rules that define competive smash...which is fine, as it was the first brawl tournament, but no sane person would slap "child prodigy" on a kid who won due to the rng of items and a screen nuke in R.O.B's ultimate.
0 likesAlso, brawl did not die because of this tournament. Brawl died because of tthe nonexistent character balancing (Metaknight players), which was admittedly fixed in Smash 4, but then re-broken by Bayonetta players.
Fox is sick though
0 likesAll I'm saying is that crab is expensive.
0 likesgot goosebumps
1 likehearing him say "Dr PeePee" is hilarious lol
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Dr. PooPoo.
1 likeSo, Ken best player, retired at the top.
1 like“In standard fighting games...”
1748 likesShows Shaq Fu
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Shaq Fu is the greatest fighting game ever and I am tired of pretending it's not
153 likes@Virtual Boy Godot I don’t even know what that game is lol
9 likes@Yi Zao that game is ummmmmm, just a mistake
7 likes@Hit A mistake that got remastered for some reason...
7 likesShaq fu is just something that we will never truly understand
3 likesIt’s something we don’t deserve
2 likes@Rafael De Anza As a beat em up game tho
0 likeslmao
0 likesthat was not a raw crab. that was a cooked blue crab. its turns orange.
1 likeive already watched this twice
0 likesandi w ant to watch it again
10:26 if your name on smash was WEED in 2003 you're a fucking G
0 likesTHERES JUST JUAN.
0 likes"The hero they need, but doesn't want." This guy has such a great underdog story, I do not understand why people hated him so much.
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You need to know that most Melee fans are 20+ years old, but are virgins with low self-esteem, often still living with their parents. They need to hate something so they don't have to confront their own problems. They found a scapegoat in hBox to make their miserable life a little bit better by forming a group and spitting hatred out of jealousy towards him. You know why many people say "Smash" is a kids game? Because the mentality of a lot of fans is the mentality of a 12-14 year old teenager.
50 likes@aww awe I was more so reffering to HBox rather than Jigglypuff being the underdog, he had everything going against him yet he still came out on top. I have never played smash but if I was to make a boxing comparison I am going to assume Jigglypuff is basically a counterpuncher like Floyd mayweather and in boxing people typically don't like watching them fight, still I think he got far more hate than he deserved.
8 likesFor him to stick it out with the same character for years, even when Puff was considered a bad character on tier lists is a testament to his tenacity. Most people would have changed characters or given up long since then, in fact Hbox is probably the sole reason Puff is considered strong in the first place.
@aww awe yeah so he's basically Floyd Mayweather of the smash world, bahaha. In boxing people hate him because of how defnsively he fights, even though the way he fights makes him the best in the world.
11 likes@aww awe Clearly Jigglypuff is competitive, yeah. Though considering no one but HBox can really play it at the top level really does kind of imply its far from an easy win either. In that respect it's a lot of HBox just being that good as well. Which I guess is unsurprising considering he's been one of the top players for a long time now.
9 likesI don't believe there is any clear Jigglypuff successor player for when ever HBox eventually retires, right? So once the era of the gods has completely ended, that will just be that.
Hopefully in future some more of the community will at least respect his efforts and skills, even if the character isn't particularly favored.
@aww awe no some people hate the character but alot of that hate went to him
6 likes@aww awe Wasn't there an entire section about him having to learn several match ups so he didn't get stomped?
8 likesBesides, there are character match ups and people match ups.
When you're the only player close to number one with a character you just have to admit at that point that it's just not the character.
I don't play smash but. I'm basing this on this video and what I know of the FGC.
Black Jesus Agreed. Smash players don’t shower.
2 likes@Quickshot0 It's not easy to win as any character at the top level of play but that doesn't mean puff isn't an easy character to play. Armada basically said it best, most people don't find puff's playstyle fun and she has a playstyle so different from the rest of the cast that you can't really have her as a secondary so there's not a lot of reason anybody would get good with her.
1 like@UT Jason Yah that has always happened with puff, Mango was the exact same before he switched to Falco
0 likes@The L33T PenguinFTW I see, though considering there are some Puff players, I guess some try anyway.
0 likes@Smaurf Puff has one losing match up, Fox but because most people don't have experience against puff it becomes a lot more even.
1 like@Quickshot0 Yah 2saint is ranked 35th rn, I'm actually sure puff players find her fun and aren't gaming it.
0 likesIt's just the whole idea that people will play something that wins in a competitive setting no matter what is stupid. Melee isn't a big game and it doesn't have large enough prize pools to really make a living off of it, you won't get people trying to game the system because it doesn't really make anybody money. Putting in the amount of time which would be required to get to a pro level won't happen unless somebody really enjoys that character
@The L33T PenguinFTW Yeah, just like it would be silly to say the character is easy, if you need that level of effort to be competitive at all. Though obviously it very much is one of the better characters to have a chance at the top.
1 like@The L33T PenguinFTW literally hbox admitted to hating puff
1 like@Wind of change hbox stans tend to forget that he tried to get other top puffs not to give anyone practice in the mu at one point. people have justified reasons for disliking him as a person, not to mention how frustrating puff matches are to watch
last 20 or so minutes of this essay rly takes away from an otherwise good video
0 likeshungry box is the kanye west of smash bros
0 likesPuff for life.
1 likelol me loving this video but I'm up for the Challege to be bigger then Hungry box.
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Its good to have ambitions. Just dont lose yourself chasing a dream and youre good.
1 like@Cairox 150 Thank you, I appreciate the advice. I will hold it close brother.
2 likes"The rise of the 5th god - Dr. Pee Pee"
1558 likesI'm sad that I lack the talent to make this shit up
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If you consider the real-life event that inspired the name, it hardly seems that creative.
31 likes@MEEPBUD spilled soda on himself (Dr. Pepper), his friends made fun of him and called him Dr. Peepee. Instead of being embarrassed about it, though, he owned it
83 likes@MEEPBUD he sometimes shortens it to “PP M.D.” which is somehow even better
38 likes@Rye Bread He changed his tag from Dr. Pee pee to PPMD when he got sponsored so that it was at least slightly more professional. He only goes by PPMD now
22 likesElfs here are called monster
0 likesMust resist dr. pp joke
0 likesWhen he entered his first couple tournaments, he didnt think he'd do well so at least wanted to be remembered for a funny name,
2 likesThat made me laugh. Good job
0 likesDamn 6.9 million views.
1 likeLet's goooo!
at least the crab was bussin'
0 likesThat was intentional action:
0 likesThrow of crab:
Riot today would warn you by banning you 14 days and the punishment does las 6 months until reset if you do intentional harm again you are permaban but you can create new account and start from bottom yet again
the fifth god, doctor pee pee
1 like8:30 Melee vs The Future
839 likes22:33 Jigglypuff vs The Meta
30:08 Hungrybox vs The Best In The World
30:56 2013
31:44 EVO 2013
33:00 Winners Finals Match
36:26 Come Up And Get Me.
37:33 EVO 2014
39:36 2015
42:24 Heel HBOX (EVO 2015)
44:44 Switching Targets
45:50 Armada vs Hungrybox
46:57 Hungrybox vs Juan DeBiedma
47:36 1994, HBOX Story
50:35 That’s What It Takes. (2016)
51:15 EVO 2016
52:35 Plup vs Hungrybox (EVO)
54:00 Clutchbox Reigns (Losers Bracket)
55:38 Losers Finals
56:47 Grand Finals
1:00:16 Still Following
1:00:51 2017
1:02:23 Hungrybox Reigns
1:02:54 Hungrybox vs The Last Of The God’s
1:03:12 The Disappearance Of The Gods
1:05:01 Hungrybox vs Melee
1:05:26 Community Problems
1:06:26 20FF
1:13:51 Hungrybox Isn’t < Is Melee
1:17:48 Get Better.
Let me know if I missed anything
Edit: Jesus, thanks for the likes!
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Bro thanks so much. Hopes this doesn’t go unnoticed
4 likesAgreeed with Juana^ thank you so much
1 likethx i needed that last one for my school grad quote.
1 likeThanks guys.
2 likesHbox is Melee is my favorite part of this video
1 likeI feel like this should be pinned or at least hearted, it’s very useful.
1 like@Justin Carwile I’m not doing this to be pinned or hearted, I am doing this just for others.
2 likesAlso, the pinned spot is for hungrybox, which he rightfully deserves.
@SlimeyPlayz I didn’t think you were and you are right that hungry box deserves that spot, I just think that your timestamps would and could be very helpful to people watching the video.
0 likes@Justin Carwile Agreed. But Emplemon can chose to heart the comment or not, it’s his choice and I really don’t care if I get a heart of not. I made this comment to help. And nothing else.
0 likeswhat's the music for 30:56 ?
1 like@LSDLV Ballad of the Goddess - Hajime Wakai & Takeshi Hama (LoZ)
1 likeEdit: Also, there’s a link to a Pastebin with a list of all the music used in this video in the description
@Justin Carwile ow thank you <3
0 likesI hate this annoying comments
0 likesMeanwhile Armada Kicks Mango From 6th Place To 13th Mango Losses Mobility And Sense But A Protector It Is On 14th Place And Armada It Is On 3RD
0 likesA Friendly Remind That HungryBox Told Me Not To Play 36h But Raither 2h And Than Pause It 1ST Place
A Friendly Reminder From Armada That I Am OverHeating 3RD
JumpingFox 6th < 13th Current At
Osu < Melee Current At
OSU ENTER 2014 IN SUMMER RAŽANAC A FRIEND SHOWED ME GAME BUT FRIEND IS UNRANKED A RANK THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER BEFORE ENTER RANK
Tremendous video
0 likesI thought someone throw "shit" at him because i only heard your audio xD. I didn't thought you meant a crab with crab
1 likethe one spectator, i'll fuken do it, throws crab
0 likesHbox doesn’t deserve the hate. He was just good at a character not many other people are good at.
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endel people just hate on him because his playstyle isnt fun to watch, he usually stalls. People forget the players in the tournaments arent there to entertain the spectators, they’re there to compete and win. People who go to watch tournaments arent entitled to a super entertaining match. Cravingcube definitely doesnt deserve the hate.
58 likestotally.
15 likestruth is, you mustn't throw your anger at players, but at people making designing their game / or in this case, people making rules
That's why stalling is forbidden in melee, as well as wobbling recently. Because it's not fun to watch.
However i don't see Puff as an annoying charachter - sure it rely on spacing because it is so fragile that you must to be extremely careful, but if the Puff advance slowly towards the opponent while spacing for me it's ok
I don't hate Hbox I don't like puff
3 likes@Dazza 2412 just get gud bro
1 like@Gotengs K don't like watching puff, I don't have Melee
0 likesSalad. “Cravingcube” I love this.
0 likes"best in the world"
0 likes-American tournament
u dun us other continentals dirty
One thing that really sucks is that the crowd has almost no people cheering for Hungrybox EVER, and then the HBox haters who happen to be fans of Mango cheer and scream when Mango just knocks down a single stock off of HBox. Hungrybox really deserves a lot more recognition, and this video makes that closer to happening, thank you for making this.
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Mango fans love hbox because at least he didn't retire like Adam.
0 likesAlso I think people just don't like the character puff. People hated Mango when he played puff and would boo him regularly.
The best ever
0 likesThis was 5 min from my house and I never knew this had happened
0 likesThat poor guy, I honestly can’t understand the hate he receives. This is like the opposite of the classic “try harder and you will succeed” story and mentality.
100 likesHe’s had a rough life and he’s tried his best to become the best and he still has not received any of the respect he truly deserves and still receives hate and it’s just sad to see.
Can't believe people hate hungrybox so much.
0 likes... its just a game. And you don't actually know what juan is like.
i know who threw the crab
0 likesso basically people got made a guy was able to master a character nobody else could? this kind of reminds me when the one Korean guy was perfect at using zenyattas alts fire, and other pros complained and blizzard nerfed it. like wtf lol. hungrybox deserves props. side note i take high offence that kirby is low tier....
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Nah Mango also won majors with puff. Axe's Pikachu and Amsa's Yoshi are better examples.
0 likesJust recognized the Hotel Giant music at the hour mark loooooool. Some classic eurojank OSTs.
0 likesThe pompous and arrogant villain had a past majorly affected by a father saying he'd never be the best. Now that's a sympathetic villain.
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SYMPATHETIC VILLAIN.
24 likesYou predicted the future, bro
@Chris No no this was posted after I watched that vid
17 likes@Soldier Stride
11 likesIt's been 2 weeks already? Damn
there will Never Ever be another tf2 team like Froyotech
0 likes@EmpLemon shining a light on UF grads
1 likeIn Maryland, crabs are carried and thrown wtffff
0 likesI can't ans in da hb comment, so..
0 likesThis man is incredible as human, I admire hb. Seriously
I have never felt so interested in something I had no knowledge in whatsoever. Great video Emp.
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go watch smash documentary it will change ur life
6 likesThen you really need to watch "The Smash Brothers", it is an amazing documentary even if you know nothing about smash. The storytelling is fantastic and it keeps you hooked for the entirety of it.
7 likesI’ve seen at least 2 or 3 documentaries about Hungrybox, including this one.
0 likesThey’re all great. There are a lot of comeback stories. Hbox is one of the more incredible ones.
Play melee. Learn to wavedash and dash dance.
0 likesHow is this content free wow
1 likedat crab aint raw. its steamed.
0 likesAnyone that has played the game knows she is a strong mid tier at best in nearly anyone else's hands
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lol
0 likes@Kaded I'm just saying give me your average puff at locals, they are gonna die lmao, she's super good but super difficult to play with and requires you to basically learn how to play differently than any other character
0 likesbased on the top players over the years yes only Hbox can play puff.And mang0 probably but he had no competition when he was maining puff for the most part so we can't say for sure
0 likesBut one thing is true. From the beggining of the so called era of the 5 gods no other puff player is seen on the horizon. Only Hbox
@Ikati 7477 it really goes all the way down to at least regionals, I rarely played ones that were serviceable at all, she's not that commonly picked, there's prince abu and who else, the character is super hard to play and you have to play backwards to any other character. I played competitively for a few years and only ran into a handful
0 likes@Corey Golphenee what always bogled my mind was the hate for hbox.He mained a character represented by him alone with a unique approach.In every other fighting game community he would have been praised for his unique main and approach to the game but not melee. In melee you can play fox like the 70% of the player base and be praised even if you play camply runaway fox but how dare you play puff.If it wasn't for this video i think hbox would have abandoned the game and the competitve scene
0 likes1:09:48
0 likesHey, uh, let's maybe not pretend the reason ZeRo left the game was because of community pettiness, or even really his own choice. He did some pretty unpleasant stuff and was rightly censured for it. I'm very much in favor of rehabilitation, and everything I've seen says he's making a sincere effort to atone for what he did, but I don't think it's fair to compare HBox to a confessed sex offender -- especially because community opinion of ZeRo was largely positive prior to the incident.
Absolutely outstanding video otherwise, but it's kind of important not to sweep things like that under the rug.
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This video was uploaded on Jan. 2020. The unpleasant stuff that ZeRo did came to light during the summer of 2020. Emp's point at 1:09:48 is still true though. ZeRo left competitive Smash because of all the hate he got for winning at that time. It had nothing to do with the awful stuff he did. Only later did those matters became widely known and that he ultimately had to step away from the community and his YouTube channel.
2 likes@Kurisu-pyon Ah, okay. Sorry about that mixup, then. I just saw "1 year ago" on this video and didn't interrogate that further. Whoops.
1 likeHe literally, and I cannot stress this enough, literally just lost genesis like a minute before you uploaded this
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good
291 likesLETSGOOO ZAIN
281 likesBruh
84 likesZain played so good
144 likesThat was the biggest vibecheck EVER
95 likesAnd I guess he lost
@Shaman Xeed got em good one bro so funni xD
402 likesEmplemon Jinxed him
43 likesflamepan
87 likesShaman Xeed runs a satire YouTube channel. His whole point is making controversial statements that piss people off.
Zain Domain
3 likesJust because he didn't get first place doesn't mean anything, he still had a great placement.
140 likes@Resean still, the timing was hilarious anyway
57 likes@Leonardo Cani Schumann Oh definitely.
45 likesBASED ZAIN
3 likes@Shaman Xeed damn bro you got da whole squad laughin
10 likesZain deserved it tbh
5 likes@Shaman Xeed Yeah its a children's party game
6 likesGenesis was so sick man zain deserved that win after coming in top 5 like ten times last year
7 likesI'd say "Got 2nd" as apposed to "Lost" lol
20 likes@Fortress >-> cmon man
9 likes@Shaman Xeed wow bro, you got the whole squad laughing. no one laughs
6 likesMan that timing lol.
23 likesBut I have to say, HBox did put in the effort so I have to admire that, same to Zain.
However, like what Emp said, "...You can count on HBox to pick up the pieces, comeback later and win"
So lets wait and see.
@Bruhlie the point of the comment is to highlight the coincidence and hilarious timing, doesn't matter who you choose to root for...
16 likesIs like a documentary praising the Patriots, in the same week of the superbowl, and then they lose to Miami Dolphins in a landslide.
The irony is funny, doesn't prove nothing, doesn't destroy their legacy, but is funny anyway
@Fortress Ladies and Gents, we found our Crab thrower
38 likes@BlissfulZane715 one the things that I like is that Zain lost Pound for Hbox, and now won Genesis, and with a Marth with all characters.
3 likesIt would be nice if they trade off titles like that, I would watch Melee everytime again if that happens
Send this to Hbox then, i imagine he'd really appreciate the positive reinforcement.
1 like@santino I like how you say that yet one of their videos is something most of the online community agrees with, and thats how bad Rise of Skywalker was.
1 likeHypno Bagels
0 likesI guess you missed every single one of his other videos.
Oh really? Good, this video will surely cheer him up.
1 like@xavierplayr I mean, Smash is the preferred game I play and enter in but alright.
0 likesShaman Xeed what
0 likes@Fortress 🦀
11 likesCause zain played like a god
0 likesShaman Xeed smash by definition is a fighting game but shouldn’t be lumped into the same community.
0 likes@Resstarr Ooooh I get the crabs now. I'd forgotten that somebody threw shellfish at him that one time. I thought I was getting called out for not considering Smash a traditional fight game despite liking it yadda yadda yadda.
0 likesYeah that was pretty good. 10/10 Smash moment would krab again.
Losing a tounramnet doesnt mean you didn't make history
8 likesRip XD
0 likestimed perfectly to maximize viewership... also the vid isn't really abt how much of a winner he is u know what i mean
0 likesand yet, he's still on track to be the greatest ever :D
1 like@Bruhlie How? Only one person is shitting on HBox while the others are happy for Zain's victory
1 like@Fortress crab
9 likesClose game though
0 likesHe'll get even better from that loss, as always.
1 likeFeels like Zain almost never clutches it out 3-2 against Hbox, so tense
1 likeThe comments literally are an exact representation of what Emp was talking about and shows how garbage the Melee community is half the time.
24 likes@Shaman Xeed youre on every smash video
0 likesZain did a Mogul Move
1 likeGod damn it not again.😟😠😆
0 likesMay I get individual timestamps for that statement?
0 likesZain finally proving Marth is the best Melee character.
0 likes@ThatRandomMexicanGuy Family. Theres a difference
0 likesThis is great, more competition brings in more viewership, Hbox losing would bring in more hope for more players to be better and increase the competition. This in turn will improve Hbox, and it will be an endless cycle of people changing meta and playing interesting styles/picks, bringing in more life to this game.
3 likes@Shaman Xeed nice bait
0 likesSO?
0 likesShaman Xeed wow really
0 likesDamn, this comment thread toxic af. He’s not ruining the game or the scene. So y’all can just give that up already
7 likesI'm about to make a GPS just to find who asked.
2 likesAnd so? Still ranked higher than 99% of the community lol.
2 likes@Shaman Xeed aren't you supposed to be pretending to be a lowtiergod fan? he calls smash the "best fighting game out there"
0 likesYikes 😂
0 likesthis doesn't change anything. a loss doesn't invalidate or devalue any of your past accomplishments.
0 likesmöy name jeff
0 likesZain played out of his mind and Hungrybox still got 2nd. He had a great run through losers bracket.
0 likes@Fortress LOL you literally proved emp's video correct. I loved that Zain won though. Good shift in the tides, just low I like how Marss beat MkLeo in Smash 5 during Gen 7.
4 likestaythojulbra LETS GO ZAIN
0 likestaythojulbra that’s what you call a MOGUL MOVE
0 likes@mrm6464 I'm just not an Hbox fan, sorry. Great player and all, I just think he acts like a turbodweeb at times.
0 likesI'll add that I'm not going to go out of my way to bash the guy or anything (not that he should have to prove himself to people like me). I constantly worry about what people around me think about me, and I imagine Hbox probably deals with that same feeling but on a much larger scale, so I certainly don't want to contribute to that. He's one of the best the game has ever seen, and I don't think anybody can deny the kind of impact he's had on the game and the scene as a whole.
1 likeyeesh, to Zain too? would not have guessed that
0 likesGood to know you didn't watch the video
0 likesAnthony Wolf Who are you replying to lol?
0 likesMonk Killedababy top comment. Being unlike any other doesn’t mean winning every tourney and the video explicitly talks about hbox’s recent losses
0 likes@santino don't expect smash players to understand jokes
0 likesSounds like you've listened to ?'s introduction/instructions
0 likesGood
0 likesSo
0 likes@taythojulbra Otherwise a pretty great guy.
0 likesan absolute Mogul Move
0 likes@Shaman Xeed the fun thing is that you're kinda right.
0 likesTalk about a mogul move by zain
1 likenice pfp
0 likes@Shaman Xeed you probably haven't been out for about 10 years and is sitting in your moms basement eating cheese nachos
0 likes@Jordan Carr 2nd is losing for winners. You have to lose to get 2nd, while you have to win to get 3rd or 1st. That difference is why a lot of olympians, as well as Hbox, feel worse for getting 2nd than getting 3rd. Because you COULD have been 1st, and weren't.
0 likes@Shaman Xeed Its more.
1 likecrabs these days
0 likesERRandDEL Can you just move on? It was like, 4 to 20 years ago jeeesus
1 likeThis reply section shows what’s wrong with the community and whole point of this video lmfao
2 likesAnd with that, Smash is dead.
1 likeAin't that a kick in the teeth. Some guy makes a admiration and biography about you, then you lose a major tournament. Here's hoping he wins the next one.
0 likes@flamepan He's not wrong though.
0 likes@Jordan Carr If you ain't first, you're last.
0 likesThen he won Smash Summit 9 against Plup.
2 likesrippo
0 likes@doomcat jeeze streetfighter fans be like^
0 likesShaman Xeed B tier bait. A better one would be about melee players abusing glitches they get heated about that shit
0 likes13345bob it’s a sub genere know as a platform fighter. While smash pioneered the sub genere there are now others like rivals of aether
0 likesI get so happy when Hbox loses. It truly brings me joy
0 likesTLDR: People are mad at a guy that has been and always will be better than them at the game.
0 likesAnyone have a link to this amazing music?
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he has a list of all the music used in the description, there also might be a playlist on youtube.
0 likes@Legrume ok thanks
0 likesCan anyone tell me which song starts playing at 21:08?
0 likes"there will Never Ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox"
1 likeYour right, Because there will eventually be a player who is better, there is always a player who is better.
I actually got to meet hungrybox at momocon 2019 and he's actually a pretty chill guy
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No shit.
15 likesMet him at Shine, he seemed pretty cool as well
1 likeI saw hungrybox in a grocery store
46 likesI met him
3 likesHe fell asleep on me....
what? he was there? i missed him frick!
4 likesyo I'd be so down to give him a hug
0 likes"there will Never Ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox"
0 likesGod I sure hope not. I'd rather watch wobbling than a full six minutes of ledge stalling and back air.
26:00
0 likesCan we get a source of the song?
42:19 The Middle Of the Video
0 likesHalf Time If you will
I still think it's funny Nintendo pulled melee out of evo then put it back in. It's like if Capcom banned certain tournaments from playing old marvel vs Capcom or something lol
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Didn't evo pull Melee out and replaced it with Brawl?
0 likesvery epic
1 likeI thought HungryBox was hungry
0 likes12:20 is that Jtails?
1 likeHungrybox inspires me
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So thank you. for giving me the inspiration I need to continue improving even during dark times.
0 likesI started the video, looked at the duration, and cringed. "No way in hell am I spending 1.5 hours watching this"
531 likesAlso me 1.5 hours later: Man HBox is underrated bro. I hope the rest of the community can get past their grievances with jigglypuff and accept that their game isn't just about one Fox character.
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It's the furries bro they really took over smash
18 likesAdditionally, he is a big reason why fox is so big because fox is the only character in the game with an even matchup against puff so everyone else has to learn fox.
2 likes@Emerald City CS I hope you watched the video and you can relate to the thousands of dickheads exposed in it.
20 likes@Emerald City CS I can't tell if you're doing a bad parody of an idiot Melee fan or if you're actually serious.
27 likes@Emerald City CS
16 likesYou sound like every Leffen fan from a year or two ago.
@Emerald City CS Puff v. Fox is not an even matchup.
6 likes@Ethan Weegee 60/40 puff in all but the highest levels.
2 likes@Emerald City CS This is a video about Hungrybox, we're talking about the highest levels of competition.
7 likes@Ethan Weegee 55-45 puff in tournament, maybe an argument for 50-50 but i doubt it.
2 likes3 actualy: fox, falco and marth
2 likesBut for the 20XX moment this was fox
I've watched the video twice already + 1 more time watching Armada react to it. And I don't even play smash lmao
2 likesPlayers: Jiggly puff its so boring and easy.
0 likesAlso players: Lets never use that character, we dont care about winning or loosing :V as long as He doesnt...LOL
Videogame community has always been sooo toxic.
Ah yes. The best kinds of ppl in the world. If you can’t beat ‘em …. Cry and complain until they let you win.
0 likesThat crab is very very not raw. That is a completely cooked crab.
0 likessweaty beard chins and technics on smash blows my mind.
0 likesThe dude really had the entire arc of a anime mentor character
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All my life I knew I was an anime protagonist.
7 likesYeah, cool story bro 😎
0 likessniffle
…I’m not crying… 🙄🤧😭
14:13 Is that Uberdanger
0 likesMango’s “god status in serious question” lmao
0 likesHow the hell are you saying Dr Pee Pee with a straight face.
0 likesHbox's speech about his dad made me sad.
219 likesHe proved you wrong, dad. He is the best.
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Proving stupid dads wrong is the best feeling in the world.
10 likesThat crab was cooked! This is what I get for falling asleep and letting Youtube run. You were right I don`t care about this game.
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ok.
1 like46:00 btw this is a time stamp for when I get on to watch this later
0 likes1:12:37 Don't play melee it has a toxic fanbase
0 likesI have no clue what's going on in these fights
0 likesI didn't know almost anything about competitive Smash, and at the end, i cried by hearing the crowd cheering Hungrybox...
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Same
6 likesoh hey, i got likes, thanks :)
1 like@PhantomGrape Most people are cool, it’s just a vocal minority.
2 likesSame
0 likes@Diamond Miner true
0 likes38:56 that guy on the left :(
1 likeThis guy is the chad
0 likeshow do I submit the PT-BR subtitles to this video?
0 likesI cant take Dr pee pee serious
1 likeSaw how long the video was: I'll checkout the first 10min.
1185 likes1hr and 24min later: Damn that was a good watch.
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RawRawDimension same and I did this from 2-3 in the morning
16 likesSame here
2 likesI didn’t even realize it was 1hr and 24 minutes I thought it was a 10-30 minute vid.
9 likeslol same.
1 likeSAME!
1 likeI thought i'd only check out the first 10 seconds. RIP.
1 likeSame lmai
1 likei told myself i wasn’t gonna stay up and watch the whole thing. i was wrong
1 likeYup
1 likesame haha.. very good vid
1 likeShit I was like, I'll let this play while I cook food and do laundry... One burned meal and zero cleaned and folded clothes later... clapping
2 likesSame. It’s now 6am and I love hungrybox
3 likesIt the year 20XX
2 likesIt’s 3 for me right now and I am watching the last 2 minutes
1 like*damn that was a good short watch.
0 likesSame here
0 likesThis video was very bad, and the same could be said about the YouTuber who uploaded it
0 likesJimathy Nutron trash
0 likes27:20 DAMN
1 like4:59 There are so many games here and I have only played 3: Dokapon Kingdom, GTA and Rayman. None of these I have owned (except Dokapon Kingdom through Dolphin). Yea Im a real gamer
0 likes0 to 4:45 watching a video of a fighting game champion
1 likecool
4:46 onwards
WTF A... CRAB?!?! O.O
pausing at 30:09 to comment that it sounds like Hungrybox was unpopular because Jigglypuff was easy to win with
0 likesSend me a link when Leffen criticises EmpLemon on Twitter.
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Leffen salty af about everything he doesn't like
211 likesLeffen is a top player so I think he has credibility
4 likesTechnoflops I dont think that’s how things work....
113 likesthanks for the insightful input
1 like@Lord Louie lmao
5 likes@techno That's like defending a politician just because he has years being a politician
97 likesEven tho he does morally questionable decisions
Yellowishnesses the name Leffen sounds similar to Leafy
26 likes@Benjamin Francisco Tapia Rostran I don't think Leffen is a bad person, but he loves complaining. He won't let someone call him out without firing back.
21 likes@techno spotted the Leffen simp
43 likes@Benjamin Francisco Tapia Rostran I would rather talk to someone who actually plays the game at a high level than some random guy though. Leffen obviously has a more informed opinion cuz he's been there, also ur analogy sucks
1 like@Yellowishnesses ALL YOU EVER DO IS COMPLAIN
5 likes@Gigi yeah of course he's gonna trash on campy puffs cuz campy puffs are lame. Saying leffen is washed from one tournament ks stupid that's like saying hbox is no longer #1 cuz he got 2nd at one tournament.
2 likesAlso I don't rlly think Leffen bullies people on Twitter but ok
thats kinda what leffen does, basically heres the cycle
3 likes1. shit on ultimate but still compete for some reason
2.say "melee is so much better guys im gonna do really good in the next tournament and play some sick melee dude"
3. either a. win melee singles and try to act super humble or b. john about something (i do think we should give leffen some credit on this though, being a top european melee player is insanely fucking hard)
but something i think ppl dont really understand with leffen is that hes purely talking about the highest level of play, and yeah, hbox is the only puff at the highest level so clearly he isnt gonna talk about 2saint or leighton or something lol
nobody rlly thinks on like the entire scale factoring low and mid level play that puff is the best character, she isnt as good there, but at the highest level she is insanely good. now i wouldnt go as far as to say she is the best of course, i would say shes around 2-4, and the reason i say this is bcuz of the consistency and its really hard to play from behind against puff, and that puff has amazing comeback potential
for an example of this literally just watch hax vs hbox at genesis 7, hax was up 2-0 and was just rested so many times.
but i do think the times are changing and ppl are getting good at the puff matchup, very excited for 2020 melee and to see if hbox can keep his #1 amongst people like zain who are grinding the mu so hard
hbox is an amazing player though his neutral game is insane and he just pulls rest reads out of thin air, and its almost like puff was made for him, he truly plays to the strengths of the character so fucking well its actually incredible. i just really dislike his playstyle and heavily root against him because of that.
"Why is this guy doing a video on Hbox? Does he not know of my existence and how I'm the best in the world?" Yeah let that ego go to your head more and more leffen.
17 likes"It's clear to everyone Fox is the best, and easier to use than puff"
7 likesYeah, no; Fox is far more demanding and combo food for several characters, not saying it isn't the best, just not as good as people say. Also, the reason puff is not popular is that basically it has a soft ban in the meta cause everyone hates it.
@Nozomu Itoshiki But if puff was as good as they pretend she is there would still be a large amount of players playing puff. People don't care as much about what they think is "cheap" or "lame" as much as they care about winning.
21 likes@Cyka Blyat I'd say yes but melee is different, melee players don't start playing this game for the money, but cause they looked how cool and fast people can execute their moves; most of the players, even ICs mains (that besides wobbling have a ton of impressive mechanics) try to follow the high skill mindset. Also, ICs, another annoying char, even with an infinite is not that popular, for the same reason.
6 likesMost people who play melee would agree that fox is harder to play puff and is in fact the hardest character to play in the game
1 likeSally Vee oh boy the real fighting games argument
12 likes@Sally Vee "It being different doesn't mean it's easy"
5 likesEntire argument gone, reduced to atoms
@Big Toblerone What are you talking about? Leffen never asked for Puff to be banned nor have any other top players to my knowledge. Fox is also not "easier to use". Bit of a nitpick but Mang0 has never said Puff was the best.
4 likes@Sally Vee Hbox is not the only one who "bothers to play something different". You're completely disregarding people such as Amsa, Axe, Wizzy, and even Mango who play something different.
0 likes@Sally Vee "What fallacies have I committed? In fact, I wasn't even aware I was trying to logically debate you."
0 likesOh sorry, are you implying that a fallacy can only exist within a debate? Cute.
Sorry, you obviously have no idea what a straw man is. I've only said you were wrong and then commented on why there was no point in explaining anything to you to begin with (you are doing a good job of corroborating that). That is not a strawman, I did not create and argument that you were not original arguing for just to discredit your original stance. It's okay if you're embarrassed about that, you're only human after all.
Just because it is an opinion doesn't mean it can't be wrong. Hope you at least learned something today. :)
“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
- Harlan Ellison
@Sally Vee By specifically calling the melee community toxic while juxtaposing it to other communities is implying so. If that wasn't your intention then like I said previously, work on your rhetorical composition. How quick to forget, we are.
1 like@Sally Vee No, no. You need to look up the definition of straw man. Even if I am wrong that still isn't a straw man lol. Simple as. You did imply as I have adequately explained. If you can't or won't admit your mistake, that's fine. Just know you made it. :)
0 likes@Sally Vee So can we trust Mang0 as he was #1 with Puff? Lol
0 likes@techno how old are you
0 likes18
0 likes@techno Leffen's problem is that he thinks he has influence, when in the real world he really is nothing more than a video game nerd on a whole different level. He's like Ninja, he thinks he's special and that his word is golden, but in truth it is not.
2 likesNeat
1 likeone more added to the list of subscriptions after just one video
0 likeshigh quality vid
0 likesCompetitive video game players/fans are some of the most vile and sad human beings I have ever seen. It's like this one game is the only thing in their life that they're good or proud at and everything else is sad. Granted, some sports fans can be just as bad, like a sports team that they've even a part of AT ALL is the most important thing in their life or something.
0 likesAh yes.
0 likesFamished Cube.
EmpLemon has some kind of magical soul, to be able to perfectly capture and give the pure essence of piece of history.
115 likesBefore, I thought that my lack of knowledge was boosting my experience with each episode.
But even now, with me knowing melee as I do, it was like going back in time to relive and learn about a game that really changed my life. Between the writing, editing, and music, it's all too cohesive. EmpLemon has developed something of a rarity.
Some might even call him a god.
From what I've seen,
there's just one.
pause at 52:16
3 likes28:27 a commentator booing?
0 likesA commentator should be superpartes. It should never cheers for someone or booing someone else.
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Melee commentators are notoriously cringey, look up the "cringiest moments in Melee history" it gets pretty rough. Toph and Scar should commentate every match lol
0 likesYou just don't know the context of that match though. Lookup Chango vs Faux, and you will see where the booing comes from.
0 likesyeah i'll watch this again
0 likes11:56 You included one of the clips of my video on here.
0 likesBruh, ngl lie. I cried when Hbox won Evo even though this is the first time I've heard of him. This shit is good. You should be proud, you're amazing.
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@The main cause of warps in all of reality to tbh honest
1 likeMelee is the best game
0 likesisambo400 I like ultimate more, but melee is better when it comes to competitive play for sure.
0 likesPP M.D
0 likesI laughed lmao
PeePee M.D. Thats fucking hilarious
0 likesLUCAS DONT GET THE CREDIT HE DRSERVES
0 likesPoor Hbox
0 likesGotta love mango bragging about how he has more EVO wins than times he's done homework. Absolute Legend
59 likesthe fifth god.... doctor pp.
1 likeWoah Woah Woah are you really going to look past the real reason zero quit?
0 likesSubtitle it to spanish please
0 likesanyone got a link to the song at 40:05 or so? i'm like 95% sure it's a remix of a classic mega man song but i don't know my oldschool MM well enough to pick out which one it is
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OC ReMix #1702: Mega Man 2 'Nuclear Flash' - Juan Medrano & zircon
1 like"You are trash in literally every other game"
1485 likesImagine a Brazilian criticize Pelé for not being good at tennis...
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Imagine trying to trash talk Michael Jordan and your line is "you were trash in baseball"
210 likesTrotsky era um picareta what? I thought pele was mexican. RIP Pele
1 likemucktheduk tru tho
0 likesVoltorb can’t tell if you’re serious about thinking Pele is Mexican
19 likesPele lives because eat Sopa de Macaco
12 likes@Voltorb picareta é o caramba elé é bom pa porr
2 likeshai taci
0 likes@David Palero Did you really have to trash talk Pelé in Chinese?
2 likesImagine telling a primary school teacher that they're terrible at giving heart transplants.
1 likebest doco ive ever seen fr
0 likes53:11 - 54:05 What is this song? I recognize it but have no idea where it's from.
0 likesYoutube's algorithm is strange. I watched this and thought it was great. I dont know why
1 likeCan anyone tell me the music at
1 like31:55
39:45
? Please :)
"You know how hard i worked out here!?"
205 likesDamn i felt that.
Working so hard only to be not worth it. Only to gain Negativity from it...
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The negativity is what makes you work hard. Golden boys will hit their ceiling, but the guy who everyone hates/wants to fail will continue fighting to win the admiration of the community and never stop improving.
6 likes@Luke Amendolara
1 likeCorrect. Which is it why Positive and Negative cannot exist without the other. But...
Sometimes the Negativity over powers the other. Making the person not see the positive a lot of the times. But. Sometimes you can even in all that negativity.
@Trizic♪ Good examples of this are early M2K and Smash 4 Zero
1 likeI could have swore it was "do you know how hard I worked this year"
1 likeHungrybox proved Argentina isn't white, but mystery meat, and a little bit of crab.
1 likeAfter all of this documentary I can only hate the puff.
1 likeYo I’m from Maryland a crab ain’t nothing to throw at someone’s head it’s like a ninja star lmao.
1 likeHungrybox the movie
0 likesDamn. As a casual gamer and outsider looking in, I've slowly been learning more about the Smash pro gaming community by seeing highlights from youtubers like GRsmash. As I scroll through the comments of the videos, I see people commenting about things that I don't have context for understanding, and one of the main things has been the controversy over HBox.
35 likesPersonally, I never understood why people hated him so much. If it was over personal matters, I could understand that (after all, so many celebrities and athletes have reputations haunted by their personal actions), but after seeing this video, I feel that this still doesn't provide reason enough for HBox to be given the shit that he is.
For me, I love seeing the calculated style of HBox and how he has to be strategic with his hits in order to make them count (especially with such a light character that cannot afford to have its shield broken). I love seeing his passion when he pops off after a win, and even the emotion (er, 'salt') on his face when he loses, because to me, that's a sign that this man is truly passionate about the game he plays, and it's people like that who I want to rally behind whenever I watch sports or esports. I think about Lebron James screaming out Cleveland's name when the 50 year curse was finally broken, of Olympians collapsing on the ground and crying out in emotion whether they've won or lost. Its those moments that I remember, even more so than the performance of the sport itself, because I can see that those moments meant something to those athletes, and because of that, it starts to mean something to me.
I loved the ending and how it compared HBox to the game of Melee itself, because I think the perspective mentioned of the non Melee community on HBox rings true for me. I admire and respect the strategy and tact and training and all the little details that go into Melee and Smash gameplay as a whole, but as someone who isn't a professional Smash player, that's not what matters most to me about the game. I wouldn't have come to know any of those things about professional Smash, or even about pro Smash's existence itself, without first having seen clips of gameplay that interested me and made me want to learn more about the game.
Like it or not, HBox's gameplay is super interesting to me. Like I said before, I can see his emotion as he plays, and that makes me root for him. To me, this is what made him stand out from being just another Smash player, a face lost among the dozens of other players I see while combing through gameplay highlights. The emotion made me realize that he's the Smash player who is passionate about winning, the player I realize will be at the highest of highs if he wins, or absolutely emotionally crushed if he loses, and now that I know a bit about who he is as a person, a bit about his story, I feel compelled to get behind him and root for him. Seeing how antagonized he is by his own community just adds more to that story, and it makes me want to support him even more. (I feel similarly about ZeRo. To me, both him and HBox are underdogs. Even though they may be/have been number 1 statistically in their respective competitive scenes, they were underdogs because their communities didn't support them; their communities rooted against them and wanted them to fail.)
I guess the primary take away I get from this video, other than that I think HBox deserves better, is that the Melee community committing a grave hypocrisy in its treatment of HBox, and that it's making a huge mistake in believing that the only way Melee can survive is if they remain grounded in their past ways, perhaps because Melee is a game of the past. Just because something is old in origin, or perceived to be outdated, doesn't mean that it can't grow, develop, and change in new ways, and in its own journey, continue to change with the rest of the times. That's the very nature of evolution, isn't it? Time and environment are always changing, and the only way you're going to survive it is to accept that change is necessary and adapt in new ways. If not, eventually time and change will win out, and you'll go extinct.
If the Melee community, or the Smash community in general, wants to earn my respect as a member of the outside, it's going to have to learn how to respect its own players first.
Rant over. Thank you EmpLemon for making this video, this was a great watch and I'm glad you're covering this issue so that casual viewers like me can better understand what Melee/Smash people are referencing/talking about ^^'
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And since I can't seem to reply to HBox's comment directly, I will add this: You go, Juan!
0 likesAmazing video. Did Hax Fuckin Money dirty though.
0 likesah yes the fifth god... dr pee pee
0 likeslove the vid
0 likeswhat is the song that plays during in the intro monologue?
0 likesFun fact: Hungrybox worked at Westrock, a corrugated packaging company (they make boxes).
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They sure did
0 likesSo that's what his name is a reference to.
5 likesActually, we make paper.
1 likeThe smash community attitude discourages me from getting involved
0 likesInstant sub.
0 likesI take it he doesn’t like seafood
0 likesAnyone know the background song from 53:36?
0 likesAs a Marylander. Throwing a crab is the most Maryland thing
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lol when I realized the tourney was in Laurel I automatically thought "of course they threw a crab"
33 likesWhat a Maryland way to insult someone
13 likesI think that raw crab may have just been a cooked blue crab.
11 likesSo everyone living there are trolls?
1 likeI was born in New York, have never eaten a crab, but I moved to Maryland a bit over a year ago and even I can confirm this.
6 likesJust like throwing a clam is the most Rhode Island thing. Also something something pensions
2 likesAs a marylander, I understand the reference but I’ve STILL had yet to see something that wild lol
1 likeMaryland........ THe FLorida of the North
1 likeI can confirm
0 likesIce climbers should be banned from tournaments what kind of bullshit is that
0 likeswhat the fuck who the hell throws a raw crab at someone
0 likesViva hungrybox
0 likes7 MILLION VIEWS LETS GOOO
2 likesThe Melee Community is extremely toxic, but the game itself is fun to watch.
604 likesI respect Hungrybox.
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Box
4 likesCommunity may air on the side of elitist, but it's not as toxic as people think
19 likesNot as toxic as the rest of the smash community lol
9 likesAt least they use only fans and not young children like a surprising amount of smash ultimate players
3 likesStuffed Animal Wars <o
0 likesThis didn't age well
2 likes@João :^)
0 likes@Job Renmar HungryBox* :^)
0 likesTo be fair, smash bros communities are pretty much all toxic, I find Melee community more toxic only because "Melee is the greatest Smash Bros ever". Where as Ultimate is just better in every way, but what has happened recently kind of shows that most people are just toxic not really just the communities itself.
2 likes@Tiymako o
0 likes@Don Yeah..
0 likes@Tiymako melee has a higher skill cap is melee argument which I'd say is fair
0 likes@Dragon Brendan Maybe, but Ultimate gives more character variety and every character is fun to play besides having like 5 or 6 characters in melee.
0 likesThe outcome is that Ultimate needs more skill because of the character diversity and match up. Not to mention every character in ultimate can be used in many unique ways other than just L cancelling and wave dashing.
im soo pissed i already know this video
0 likesAlright youtube!!! I'll watch the goddamn video!!!
1 likeThis is my 4th time watching this video
2 likesanyone who doesn’t like puff is definitely a cornball follower that plays the played out corniest characters, you know the ones: the fox or the bird. Now that is lame.
0 likesEvery time a new Never Ever comes out, I look at the topic and go, “huh?” Then I watch it, and am reminded of why I love this series. Can’t wait to see what’s next.
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It will probably have to do something with music.
0 likes@Larry Larry
1 likeThe music and the fact that Emp is a damn good storyteller.
@Rappin' Ronnie Reagan I think you misunderstood. I believe @LordAgatesword meant that the topic could be about something in regards to music like a pop star, a Kurt Cobain sort of story perhaps.
0 likesWow, it's almost like... the fighting community is garbage.🤔🤔
0 likesi just read the video title... thank god
0 likes2:30 all i can see is food
0 likes18:06 not ok out of context
0 likesI never knew about how progressive Melee came to be. I have fond memories as a kid playing this with my friends and me maining Kirby because...well I just liked Kirby! And seeing Hungrybox, through thick & thin, not giving up on Jigglypuff or himself, he persevered through it & became #1. That speaks a lot & I admire him. Good video, Emp.
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Lol maining kirby in melee
3 likesRandomerOnTheInternet he may be low tier but he’s top tier in my heart
4 likes@Plastic Knight BOTTOM TIER POSITIVITY FTW
3 likesDoes anyone know the music that starts at 51:50?
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Pretty sure it’s waterfall colosseum from Pokémon colosseum
0 likes@Eian k that’s another good one but it wasn’t it, ty though
0 likesbruh here I was thinking 5 mins in was the end
0 likesHbox is Kratos
0 likesAmazing person
0 likesI cried actual tears on this, I remember seeing some of these events and following them vaguely in my childhood, I rooted for him because he seemed the underdog. Hearing this story I having nothing but respect for this man. GG hungrybox you will never be forgotten, you really did because the best.
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Same here man. I've always rooted for the underdogs more often then not and in HBox's case he was the underdog that was actually more than good enough to win. Always been a big fan of HBox and he deserves his success and following more than any other Smash player in the scene.
15 likesWhy did someone throw a fucking crab?
1 likeThe bit at 9:30 has a song called GameCube in the background
0 likesAnd stop ruin good things!
0 likesVery cool video
0 likesI can only imagine how many unused takes this guy has from this video, all of which are just clips of himself laughing hysterically at the sentence "Melee's 5th god, Dr. PeePee." Lord knows I can't say that with a straight face.
247 likesit was emp was threw the crab
0 likesbruh cried from a crab?
0 likesBrilliant documentary
0 likesMew2King looks like a balder Belluar Gaming
0 likesImma be honest that “what’s he got in his hand” comment almost gave me a heart attack
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I thought it was gonna be a gun
81 likesLMFAO ME TO
22 likesYunG D!ngAl!ng omg me too
6 likesCentorea 88 or like a cheating device
30 likesI thought it was gonna be dookie.
2 likesI thought it was a human heart
19 likesI was expecting one of those melee-hacking gamecube memory cards, like the one used by that Pichu player. Just to make a big "This game sux i quit" statement.
10 likesI thought he coughed up an organ or something
10 likes@AlinaGray88 same deadass
0 likesHbox didn’t deserve this video.
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I would argue very much that Hbox does, in fact, deserve to have his legacy and sheer amount of determination and grit shown in a documentary as detailed and well-written as this one.
0 likesi mean if you're gonna throw a crab at hbox you could at least hit him
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I think he was trying to hit Mango but Mango left the stage too quickly.
0 likes@Rekt_Yer_Nan_Darding _ that's 100% a possibility i mean
0 likesThis video made me insta subscribe
0 likesEvery time I go to a MLG event the fighting game players are always in a league of their own. Less respect, more apt to throw or taunt or blow up at eachother. The community in general can be really toxic because as a whole they can be winey angry gamers who like to explain their loses more than get good. Clutchbox is a dman hero for rising above this somehow.
0 likesIdk if you’ll ever read this,
209 likesBut this video is probably one of the most amazing videos I’ve ever seen in my life. This is easily the best smash video to ever come out on YouTube, better than the Smash Doc, better than all of it. And you’re not ever a smash you tuber!! I was shocked to see this video come out on my timeline and I was glued to my seat watching ever second of it. I’m interested to see HBox’s reaction to this video.
Love,
A Long Time Fan
MANGO NATION
0 likes52:17 look at the guy in the backround
0 likesAnd I thought TF2 community was toxic, jesus fucking christ..
1 likeThe fact that this man mastered the very weakest pokemon in all SSB History And Won An Entire championship proves that this man didnt fuck around for a second to get what he already deserved.
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You forgot pichu
4 likes@cOmÉdIA who remembers melee pichu
1 likeJigglypuff is top 5 in melee so the underdog narrative doesn't really apply here.
17 likes@TheWingedPing no im pretty sure it was because of mango. If my memory serves me correct puff was top or high tier as early as 2009, then again I could be misremembering things.
5 likes@TheWingedPing Melee has never had patches of any kind (the PAL version is its own thing and NTSC players don't use it on tournaments). As a consequence of this, Jiggs has always had the tools to be a top tier. Arguing that Jiggs became better just because people began to use it properly ignores the fact tiers are decided not simply by results, but by the tools a given character posses as an aswer to common meta situations.
0 likesIf tiers were decided solely by usage, then Bowser could become a top tier, which as you can see, it's ridiculous.
@TheWingedPing he played puff after mango proved puff could win majors so still not really
5 likesThat "youll be good, but you will never be the best" really hit deep
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I teared up right there, and I have a hard time crying.
8 likesIt’s true for 99.99% of people. For most it’s a reality of life. But for few, it’s a barrier to overcome.
2 likes@Dylan Chevalier It's only true if you let it be :)
0 likesCommunity after watching this: I was one of the last people to actually root for Hbox when he won against armada and when he became #1 I cheered for him
223 likesThis video makes me feel like all the knowledge I’ve picked up over 7 years about the competitive smash scene seem worth every minute. Great Documentary Emp!
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This vid is what started it all for me, jeez already almost 2 years ago
4 likesI never knew about Juan until a year ago, and I don't plan on being an expert gamer, but He has become somewhat of an inspiration for me to be a better person.
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Juan.
2 likesHe is the Juan.
0 likesobi-juan
0 likesI've never even heard of this game or Hbox or EmpLemon or even FGC, but this was just such a well put together video I watched the entire thing. Really well done 👏
66 likesSuch a masterpiece. This left me speechless and with my mouth wide open.
35 likesWith all the shit Hbox had to take, it must feel great to have this video dedicated to himself.
Insanely good video. You are among the youtube gods.
Interesting to learn there is such active competitive Melee ... and wow, what an introduction! Excellently produced video!
34 likesI always thought something was off about the Melee community. This definitely highlights some of my suspicions. I'm glad Hbox persevered through the hate.
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It probably has something to do with the fact that it's a community, therefore it has people in it, therefore it's pretty much worthless.
4 likes@CoralCopperHead LOL.
3 likesI have barely played SSB and never played Melee, but this was so captivating to watch. Excellent video, glad I clicked.
19 likesWe need a series of this. Hungrybox's life, his difficult journey, the hate towards him. Everybody loves an underdog story and this is the best I've seen in my life IRL
25 likesNever knew hungrybox had such a story. Damn, i like this guy even more now.
13 likesyou are amazing man, never stop winning the way you do. you earned everything you have and you deserve respect. rock on Hbox.
1 likeTHIS WAS AMAZING! thank you for the story bro, hope all is well on your end.
0 likesYo, this is sincerely a great video essay. Coming from someone who didn't really care about the SSBM competitive scene, you do a phenomenal job of dramatizing and building interest in your subject. I don't comment a whole lot, but I figured this one was worth it, since the quality of the end product was so surprising and satisfying. Nice work!
3 likesI love Smash and have always loved Smash. Playing Smash 64 is one of my earliest memories. When I went on to college at a music conservatory I didn't think anyone would be into gaming, but I met the right group of people who shared my love for Smash (64 and Melee). We would even figure out the musical themes such as the character selection screen song and the one from the stats screen when you beat one of the story levels. My friends and I used to play almost every day in college. I would get texts from my friends that just read "Smash?" And despite all of the shit-talking and yelling, we loved every moment of it. Haven't played in years now, and am kind of surprised I clicked this video, but, wow, what an amazing story. And though I've put a lot of time and effort into my craft (music, not smash), this video finds me at a time of feeling inadequate. All the more inspiring, and it's true that losses are lessons if you can make them so.
0 likesHbox himself put it best: incredible. I haven't watched competitive smash, but this had me gripped. Masterwork, and one of the best youtube videos I've watched all year.
1 likeive rewatched this video many times now. timeless story
3 likesI've rewatcged this vid a bunch of time yet for some reason this time I got chills and tears came to my eye when Hbox was relayijg what his biological dad told him. "You be good, but you'll never be the best" I don't know why it struck me. I've seen the video multiple time and but it never stuck out like it did this time. Maybe its cause I can relate in a way (obvi im not a one of the best smash players in the world but u get what i mean). Amazing video. Probably one of the best on the playform
3 likesAs someone who grew up playing the Smash franchise, Hungrybox will always be my favourite player and a huge core of the series and Melee specifically. Love him or hate him he worked his butt off for what he wanted and that's something to respect.
0 likesSSBM was/is perfect. This game lives in the hearts and memories of all who played it. Immortal game!
0 likesInformative and addicting to watch, loved it
0 likesFantastic video. As someone who played Melee casually and never paid any attention to the competitive scene this was an excellent introduction.
0 likesI’ve watched this video like 4 times in the last couple months one of the best videos on the platform
1 likeConsidering this video and several others, I can say with 100% certainty and no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Leffen is more trash than Hungrybox will ever be. Maybe not at the game, but as a person in general. It's disgraceful how disrespectful he is to nearly everybody around him.
1 likeThis gives me flashbacks to that sick ass YouTube documentary about the kings of smash. Such a vibe
3 likesI can't believe how much of this i watched and also how friggin entertained I was.
0 likesHbox was always my favorite Melee player. I loved how he was one of the only ones to play a character that no one else was playing and win with it. Respect
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Rest in peace
1 likeawesome informative video, props to you and to HBox!
0 likesWhat a fantastic video! Amazing work
1 likeI wish Mele was pop in switzerland. I would go to events just 2cu play... keep it up, Hbox
1 likeI never played melee but this was really interesting to watch
0 likesI watched this twice and was in my recommended. Very well commented and edited. Also I'm only a casual don't care about competitive scene of smash. But underdog stories that's my jam. Any case Thank you.
0 likesHbox really is supersmash that was awesome! great story! its kinda funny I never watched a lot of tourneys literally cause i hated watching people play fox haha I won a college tourney with ganondorf and never played another tourney again lol but I always will have a place in my heart for the games
0 likesDidn't think I was going to watch this entire thing when it randomly came on. Amazing content.
0 likesthis was a great video, 2nd time watching. keep up the content
1 likethe hug at 1:19:41 was the most wholesome thing ever.
0 likesThis was awesome. I watched the whole video at normal speed.
1 likethe sick list part had me dying lol
0 likesI used to watch melee tournaments. I didn't even know there was a "smash 4" because brawl was such a joke it ruined the name of the game. This was such an awesome game that was bumpered into mediocrity.
0 likesWhat an inspiring man.
0 likesSuper smash deserves to be at big tourneys. I hope h-box gets the pay he deserves
0 likesDamn I'm one of those Smash haters but damn that's just because I suck, this was a beautiful piece, much respect. @Hungrybox you da real mvp!
0 likesYou did Hbox some real justice.
1 likeawesome work dude!
1 likeThis video was well for its time, but it aged very poorly. I am upset that this may be the one video someone watches about melee, because I think everything’s settled, I mean Leffen and hbox seem to be homies again, and the community still takes a few jabs at him but understand that he’s a good player and respect him for what he did, and new players who now top hbox who are basically discredited because hbox being #1 before. The video aged really poorly too, as mang0 is playing better than hbox now too
6 likesEdit: lol “will never face a prime mang0 again”, literally in his prime right now, and hbox sadly hasn’t been playing to our expectations, it’s sad but kinda funny how much misinformation or what became misinformation was from this video
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The words of a crab thrower.
4 likesSo this is how Melee players are LMAO
5 likesMang0 made a big comeback for sure, but at the time of the video he was far from the top. Also Leffen and Hbox aren't buddies, not at all. The second Hbox starts beating Leffen again (if ever), then Leffen will send more hate his way. Leffen was already talking smack about Wizzy after he was beaten by him at Summit 12 too.
0 likesIt doesn't take a long time to look up the current standing of Melee players in 2022, so the video being about the community circa late 2019 to early 2020 doesn't discredit any of that. Most people who are interested enough to watch Melee in the future won't really be done a huge disservice by listening to this video. That would be like saying the Melee documentary was damaging because it was technically outdated when released, even though that's the reason why so many people got involved with the game.
Hbox the god.
1 likeThe chosen one.
He's hated because of subliminal racism, and overall general pettiness.
He'll keep keeping on.
I do not understand the Melee community hating its top player. Hungrybox, if you are reading this, know that I respect you for all your hard work and to keep on chugging. Fight to the end and never give up, and thank you, EmpLemon, for introducing me to Melee.
1 likeI love Esports because it's the only place where one of the best players of an entire generation is called DOCTOR PEEPEE
2 likesi'm gonna be honest with you, if a player named Starvingcube showed up that would be another melee player like Hungrybox
0 likeswooow, Hungrybox losing to Mango, finally wins, and then someone threw a crab at him because Mango lost? That just unfair
1 likeIf Hungrybox has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Hungrybox has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Hungrybox has only one fan then that is me. If Hungrybox has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Hungrybox, then I am against the world.
2 likesI’ve watched this video 3 times now, but until the third viewing I couldn’t quite put my finger on why I dislike Mango so much, but then I saw it. The remark at 17:04. If his opponent loses, he can brag that he beat him with a character he has little experience with, if his opponent wins he can say that he only lost because he wasn’t playing his main. No one likes to play against someone that’s sandbagging. Also the name “Scorpion Master” sounds like a 12-year old’s imaginary friend. Not intimidating, just childish.
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0 likesidek why this got recommended to me since i dont play video games but I found a lot of similarities in what I do play (chess) and in the main character has the same personality I have. This was very inspiring. Congrats to you.
0 likesTBH Ive never been involved with the community because it always seemed so toxic, and this kinda reaffirms that belief. That being said, major kudos to HBOX. Seriously the guy is a God for even putting up with all that, and not losing his mind.
1 likeI appreciate how interesting this video is
1 likecant wait for
2 likesthere will never ever be another misconduct allegation in the smash bros community
Someone made a video of a VTuber playing Smash titled "There will never be a smash player like Nene". Couple of weeks after watching that I get this recommended. This was amazing. It was like watching a movie and the final scene where the "HungryBox vs ...." switched to "HungryBox is...." was so damn cool!
0 likesHbox definitely isnt my favorite player, but I appreciate him as a competitor.
0 likesMelee is the only game where the "bad guy" of the competitive scene could main an adorable pink puffball whose signature moves are singing and taking a nap.
1 likeMad respect to Hungrybox for being so dedicated thru all that hate <3
3 likesWell, I guess this is part of the reason why there's been many articles written about the worst and most toxic gaming comunities, and Smash is always no. 1. This is just sad...
1 likeI think whats also important to note about Jigglypuff being a part of the series was the pokemon marketing at the time. I'm in my late 20s now and when I was a kid playing gen 1, my mom could only name 2 pokemon; pikachu and jigglypuff. Puff was heavily pushed as a kid friendly, parent approved poke character.
0 likesi deadass have not played smash since i was 13, this shit got me fucking HYPED BRO
1 likeI would honestly pay to know what Sakurai thinks of all of this.
0 likesWonderful and appreciated.
0 likesI never knew how hated Hbox is in Melee, because in the Ultimate community people love Hbox.
1 like"I call myself Hax because I'm so good, it's like I'm hacking."
0 likes"But can you defeat... a god?"
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Yes hax can
0 likesHungrybox SAVED melee, not on his own, but right now, who else is there? haters gunna hate.
1 likeThis is an awesomely made video
1 likeI heard someone say Hungrybox was like the Floyd Mayweather of Melee
0 likeshaven’t finished the video but hungrybox with that beard and those pecs could like…. get it
3 likes13:00 that's still impressive though, he got stomped by some kid on vacation, that was the most important day of the year to Ken, but for that kid...it was only tuesday.
0 likesImagine if he just straight up took a bite out of the crab
0 likesI really hope Hungrybox see's this video <3
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he posted a comment on this video...
2 likesthey should introduce elo ratings. I'm noticing a lot of parallels between smash and chess
0 likesThat’s pretty low to throw a raw crab just for someone winning😕
0 likesEverybody had a game they became a God at.
0 likesHungrybox will see the great comments all you left in time. Because in all our glory later in life we come to relax and just scroll through our history (Just to see what have made them them), Isn't that what every grandpa does? I know my grandpa talks so much about his past, then scrolls on youtube to find history similar to his, but I bet if my grandpa had a documented history he would have looked through all the good things about him said to make him feel proud of his accomplishments.
2 likesLove you HungryBox such an inspiring story for many of us! I'm sorry the community hated you for the delusion they fell under that you were ruining the game but just like you said. If you believe it will get better it will, and I think that will hold true when the fire dies and people start to look at the true you that held the game where it stood for so long and really just kept the tournaments going and the fire for glory in Melee alive. The community could not see past for so long because most of them won't even do their own research on you they just go with the Meta. And while I do think your first few reactions to the stages set the stage for the audience for most of your career if not all, I think you did a great job at learning to calm down in your later tournaments which will forever shape the way growing underdogs will look at themselves and try to take example off of your good man examples.
Well made video and I love people who can really give a detailed video of the truth that really gives our souls a rest when we are dead knowing we experienced something great and not just inhuman amount of hate forever. Thanks EmpLemon.
"DOCTOR PEEPEE" most epic name ever.
0 likesi didnt even now about this game until now and i....im crying lol great video
0 likes1:17:00 that right here....is why I finished watching this. beautiful.
0 likesPoor Hungrybox :(
0 likesYes. I am watching this for the third time. No, I have never played or watched smash bros. Thank you for understanding.
2 likesThat moment, though...
1 likeWhen some bruh just hits you with a crab!
Wtf man? xD
Nintendo knows how to eff its fans.
2 likesNo idea who this guy was but just watched the entire thing end to end lol great video
0 likesThis is why you play to win and not for the applause of the crowd!!!!!
0 likesNot a super smash bros fan but hungrybox is the man!
0 likes7:34 is that Isai? I wish it is because that means I recognized isai gameplay lol
1 likeEDIT: Damn I think there's more Isai clips here than just 1.
At Taco Bell: Hi, uh, yes, l'll have the Hungry Box Combo - hold the Melee, and can you Super Smash that?
0 likesI find it so funny when all of the characters are getting a graphics upgrade for the brawl trailer, but Kirby just stays the same. (around 11:35)
3 likesI know nothing about smash or HBOX but I like him - good for him.
1 likeThe Battle Revolution music ya use is friggin gorgeous
0 likes52:16 It's funny to see how games such as Melee old this god
0 likesi could beat him with one hand
1 likeWhat a great vid!!
0 likesThe rise of the last god: Dr. PeePee
0 likesI'm done
I am yeeting a raw crab at anyone whoever beats me in SSB
0 likesthat brings into tears
1 likeI thought he would explain ice climbers chain grab cheese for the evo win
0 likesEveryone keeps saying RAW crab... but I see a red crab.. and most crabs (like lobsters) are brown until cooked.
1 likeI love hearing that Futurama theme!
0 likeswho could have forseen what mango would do at summit
0 likesDude, HBox IS MELEE WHO KNEW!?!
0 likesdamn looking at all this footage hungrybox has not aged at ALL
0 likesThat's a cooked crab, blue crabs turn red when cooked.
0 likesI like Hungrybox. Keep Puffin em!
0 likesHow TF was someone conveniently carrying around a raw crab just to eventually throw at Hungry Box????
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they heard he was hungry
0 likeswhat an amazing video
0 likes00:20 dude lost his card on camera!
0 likesAnother quality documentary for the books.
0 likesYes there will be a better player.
0 likesAbout 6 minutes in I have no idea why this is a one hour 24 minute video.
0 likesHungryBox is so fkn hot! Don't know why he calls himself that, but Juan can feed my box his Jigglypuff anytime he wants. Seriously, though, great video!
1 like... Will say his father's quote struck me hard. I know all too well not having family that believes in you. How inspiring to watch this formerly labeled Underdog prove everyone wrong by claiming his hard earned title as world's Top Dawg. Mad luv to HungryBox!
I swear I was not planning on watching it originally cause it was smash bros content which I am not that much interested, and 1 hour and 20 minutes of it, but my god, it got recommended to me OVER 98 TIMES, so I just gave in
0 likesThis is a beautiful video
0 likesAnyone who'd play as the climbers in public, I mean... ffs man
0 likesAfter seeing the most cursed shit at 1:02:31 I'll never catch nor flee from a JigglyPuff in pokemon I will kill them all to save the universe.
0 likesgreat story. (Awesome video)
0 likesHungrybox is and always will be melee.
0 likesLol who was doing "cult of personality" on the electric organ??
1 likeThey aren't gods... just good players.
0 likesjesus christ the soundtrack .... *does finger kiss to the sky thing, like 200x).
0 likesI don't even play smash that often... anyways back to watching
0 likesWobbles kicked their asses! woohoo!
1 likeMan, I have a few thing to say.
0 likes1: I may not be competitive, but man I feel bad for Hungrybox. The last of the Melee Gods and yet he barely got any praise. I say he BLOODY deserve to be the best! He has gotten this far and you people just need to take a chill pill and say sorry!
2: I do like how Jigglypuff went form a punching bag for Foxes to the grim reaper of Foxes. Kind of Ironic and somewhat funny.
3: This video was amazing!
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Hungrybox is not the last of the melee gods because Mang0 is still here and still getting top 8 at majors and recently placed first in summit 11 and second in summit 12 this year alone.
1 likeAlso jigglypuff is still a punching bag for fox, as jigglypuff has no neutral against fox but some players like hbox has learned the matchup against fox
0 likesI’m from Maryland and to get a crab thrown at you is the most Maryland thing I’ve ever seen.
0 likesThe biggest opponent in any competiton, more than ourself or the other player, is how we handle the public stupidity xD (here, the community's haters). It's a harsh world, and many wonder why it's mainly male field. Because it is not for ppl who sell their p*ssies on cam lol.
0 likesAnyway, nice vid. on players I didn't know cuz I only played melee with friends at home, and not brawl because it costs money to buy new consoles.
5 gods = GoM hax = kuroko 😄
0 likesit just feels to much like kuroko no basket with "5 gods" same like generation of miracles xd
0 likes1:13:11 = reality. The rest of the video is just dumb analogies. You show 100+ HBox kills in this 84 mins video ... and they are pretty much all lame. This is a video about Hungrybox, yet 100% of the cool kills in the video are made by the other players. Rest is lame, edgeguarding with 5 jumps is lame, puff ''combos'' are lame, puff is lame, etc.
1 likeI'll always cheer for the jiggly cause I'm just a Pokemon fan who doesn't even know what franchise Fox comes from.
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Star Fox
0 likesthe community is just mad because he succeeded both in the game and real life, something they will never do
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I’m failing at life, and I’m not good at games..... help
141 likes@D4cee same
31 likesChill out cut the hate. I don’t like em but you gotta let them have an opinion. Now throwing a crab? Too much.
39 likes@D4cee Sending help
4 likes@HeroSword P please do
7 likesXD
0 likes? I'm sure a lot of melee fans are doing just fine or are still students in HS/College. If you mean the community as in top players then they've already succeeded in real life by streaming and through tournament wins. Still impressive that Hbox got his degree while playing, but not every top player needs to do that to make a solid living.
8 likesThis bioshock ?
4 likesBecause I see some big daddy issues.
@SomeDudeWhoMakesStuff man wtf are you talkin about
8 likesUh, Zain has a Business IT degree from Georgia State and Mang0 is probably making over 200k a year streaming right now. I’m sure that Hbox isn’t the only melee player to succeed.
2 likes@Timothy Pickarski I think that he means outside of melee he has a stable job option. Zain also has options, but out of the top players like mang0, he is the most secure
3 likes@ShanTheWow Hbox is barely a top player rn
1 like@Luke Rose hes definately not as good as before but id say that placing 7th at summit after less than a week of practice is pretty damn good
3 likes@ShanTheWow This is the same video that said Mango wasn’t a god and mango placed second
1 like@Luke Rose i dont remember the video saying mang0 wasnt a god, because even armada and PP are still referred to as gods. not denying mang0s skill because he is really good. just saying that even though hbox isn't as good as before he is still pretty good
0 likes@ShanTheWow Oh I know dude. You’re good. The video said something along the lines of “Hungrybox is the last god left”. I think that’s kinda fucked up, considering Mango is still out here, and his second half of 2019 was really good, and his 2020 has been him being cemented as #2
0 likesMelee is toxic
0 likes@Nimbus No.
1 likeDamn he just roasted the entire community
2 likesSalty ass gamers
0 likes@Chuck_Duck if their opinion is garbage and wrong you don't have to let them have it
0 likesHbox never needed to grind he plays puff tf does the meta have him keeping up with? Prince abu has said it him self he usually doesn’t have to grind and grind when he goes to tourneys because he plays puff get off his chest
1 like@Dnan Brofloxski We can clearly see when Hbox grinds and doesn't grind, it shows hard af. And if you're actually turning a blind eye to how well Hbox performs when he goes hard on melee then there is no point arguing I guess.
0 likes@qwowp my point is he didn’t have to dedicate so much time into the game as others who didn’t bother trying to get a degree so take this L
0 likes@qwowp I’m not lol hbox is sick I’m simply saying fax
0 likes@Dnan Brofloxski You seem to be in the mindset that the only thing you grind is technical skills, and that the potential to grind technical skill is character dependent, ie puffs dont grind. But you are completely ignoring the vast amounts of time hbox had to grind to overcome puffs hardest match-up which is fox, and thats one character. We see when hbox (and any player really) prioritizes melee.
0 likes@qwowp no you grind the game in general tech skill only gets you so far but you have to put hours into the game being another character with more necessity to do shit or move a certain way puff doesn’t have to do any of that
0 likes@qwowp I’m not denying anything hbox is a top 5 most respectively too, but y’all on his d omg degree and melee pro? He didn’t have to do as much as people with other characters
0 likesYeah and I’m failing at both 😭
1 like@D4cee felt that
0 likes@Luke Rose Mate this video is a year old. It can’t predict the future. It can’t predict covid, or predict Mango’s resurgence. What tf did you expect? 😂
1 like@Silvesta Mango won two tournaments that year, he was ranked second on the ranking before this video came out.
0 likes@Luke Rose Well Mango was ranked 5th on the MPGR in 2018 and 5th in the 2019 summer. Since this video is so long, I assume Emp was working on it for a long time so perhaps those were the results Emp was going by. He probably glanced at Mango’s results and noticed the significant drop off from his previous years - hence why he said what he did.
0 likesOfc in retrospect we know Emp was wrong to count out Mango like he did. Mango’s back baby :)
@Silvesta The problem is it degrades mango as a player.
0 likes@Luke Rose Nah this vid is about Hbox. Emp used the whole ‘Hbox is the last God’ shtick to give this video a cohesive story. That one detail didn’t age well but that’s okay. Anyone watching the melee scene rn knows Mango is back on form.
0 likesIt isn’t degrading either man Mango probably doesn’t gaf either way
A beautiful video.
1 likeI’m from maryland and I think it’s so funny and SOOOOO maryland to throw a fucking crab! Our state is known for its blue crabs and old bay. Lol what a doofus to throw a crab but also funny
0 likesi think i just watched 1:30 hours of melee story wtf
0 likes“In the realm of Melee, no character is lamer than JigglyPuff”
303 likesLaughs in Ice Climber’s Wobbling sounds
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just hearing the pummel and down tilt sound gives me PTSD to that one guy in my locals
3 likesMan, you never saw fly amanita play ice climbers then.
3 likesxKayoss I did, but he never Wobbled cause he was bad at it.
0 likesFly was a VERY VERY VERY RARE exception to the rule.
If Wobbling was perma-banned from competitive play, you’d never see a Ice Climber main in the top 100 ever again.
> Emp lemon gets a copyright claim from an hour-long video
541 likes> He makes a hour and a half long video
EmpLemon:
adapt evolve overcome
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@Shaman Xeed ok
5 likes@Shaman Xeed Of course it isn't, its a PLATAFORM Fighter heh
12 likesCan you adapt evolve or overcome that dead meme?
1 like@SquidWoomy my friend the correct word is dank.
0 likesWoomy hey woomy
0 likesjigglypuff is such an irrelevant pokemon i thought it was part of the kirby franchise
1 like“Jigglypuff is the most hated character in the franchise.”
674 likesIce Climbers: Am I a joke to you?
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In the 20FF days Jigglypuff was to 1000% the most hated character. Going on Smash twitter in 2018 was so negative and toxic towards puff
43 likesSaltsam* * only because people don’t like hbox. Tell me you’d rather fight chudat cheesing with ice climbers
12 likesJigglypuff is now more hated. That was only true when people hadn't yetfigured out how to decisively play around Wobbling.
5 likes@Hawaiian Sea Turtle pro players would rather fight chu dat than Hbox no joke
1 likeSaltsam* * again, probably because he’s the most hated player
0 likesClimbers and Puff are very similar in the sense that they both zone out the opponent and defend until they try to stake the fight on their 1 'broken' move.
13 likesThe difference is that Climbers offer a clear win-lose condition to the audience, whereas Puff's stakes are hidden behind closed doors.
People don't like watching Jigglypuff not only because it's a defensive and slow character in a fast game (although that's part of it) but also because it does not communicate its stakes and its moves visually, to the average viewer a perfect Rest that pays off just looks like someone got deleted for no reason + the sleeping right after looks like mocking.
It's mostly a visual issue, imo.
would've been more appropriate to say "Nervous sweating" or something, I dont think ice climbers would want to be hates tbh
0 likesI woild rather fight 10 jiggs than one Icie
1 likeI had no idea that sing was basically a OHKO move all or nothing before watching the video. I've never played Smash and only watched some videos by False Stripe on the 2 pokemon characters, one of which is Puff, but only in N64.
5 likesI have seen Ice Climbers though and that grab thing just made me frown "What is this stupid and lame move? It's so boring". I'd much prefer watching a pink ball than some stupid infinite grab thing.
Hawaiian Sea Turtle
0 likesSandbag: exists
Byleth says hi. =P
0 likesHawaiian Sea Turtle Fox/Falco/Wolf: Am I a joke to you?
0 likesLittleMac, Sonic, Link, Young Link, Toon Link: Am I a joke to you?
personally, I hate joker
0 likes@Hawaiian Sea Turtle leffen is more hated for sure.
0 likesOr Salem, if we leave melee.
TheStrangeBloke did you not listen to the documentary? Lol
0 likes@Hawaiian Sea Turtle yeah I think it's wrong about that. I think a lot of people hate on leffen for his bad attitude. He doesn't get a pass.
1 likeLike it's somewhat deserved, unlike with HbOx but leffen is practically smash's anime villain
TheStrangeBloke I personally have nothing against hbox and imo he never did anything wrong to receive so much hate. But leffen is just that toxic guy that you want to fight the next time you see him. 100% dislike leffen more
3 likes@Hawaiian Sea Turtle 100% agree he's earned his hatred. I'm just saying that overall I think he gets more flack even than hbox
0 likes@Ikelos As someone who would be considered an average viewer, I absolutely LOVE jigglypuff gameplay in melee. Rest does not look like a sudden deletion, nor a taunt. A well-payed off rest is my favorite, favorite part!! Ice climbers gameplay, especially the wobbling, looks like utter shite and is boring and annoying. Hate it. Will kill ice climbers.
1 likeHuh. I haven't thought about crab mentality in the whole hbox crab debacle. What a thematically appropriate thing that audience member throw to Hungrybox to reinforce a narrative.
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Plot twist: it was EmpLemon who threw that to make this video more compelling
127 likesAlso the zodiac sign for Cancer is a Crab. Which is what a lot of people called HBox at times (even going as far as to call him CancerBox).
47 likesIt's very fitting indeed! :D
@Alienrun Bruh. How did I also miss that. That crab throw in operating under 4 layers of irony at this point.
40 likes@Reignand Bongao Omg. I just remembered that a "Cancer" sterotype is that they get really emotional compared to the other signs.
30 likesHow deep does this crap go!?
@Alienrun Also, being born June 21st, HBox is Cancer!
23 likes@Joven Intensa crazy if true 👌
3 likesIndexAske I thought July was cancer?
0 likesEva Unit01 zodiacs are usually on two months, like for example June 20th - July 22nd or something like that.
2 likesAnd his favorite Pokemon is Krabby
0 likesthat is definitely a cooked crab but ok
0 likesthere will Never Ever be another YouTuber like EmpLemon
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Love your videos man
7 likesGlad to see you here
Shhh, you gotta call him Sultan Citrus for localization.
5 likesOh shit hi
0 likes@Shaman Xeed nice b8 m8, try harder
11 likesThe Shuckmeister Okay Shuck
0 likesEmpLemon is a bad YouTuber
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron why do you think that?
2 likesMe: Oh hey, I didn't know EmpLemon was into Smash
723 likesThe comments: entire essays about overcoming doubt and anxiety
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Funnily enough he’s only gotten into smash around December or smth
7 likesI don't play melee and yet here I am..
0 likes17:58 poor amsah
0 likesVIDEO IDEA! There will NEVER EVER be another superman like Christopher Reeve!!!
0 likesI thought this was just going to document some player with a bunch of skill who made it to the top. But this is a true documentary, about a person and a community. I'm not even into Melee and I actually started getting emotional at the end, this is an incredible video.
79 likesrandom guy: throws crab
1769 likesEmpLemon: "Uhhh 1h + 24min video incoming"
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So
11 likesTo me it's very impressive he can make such a long video that flows so well that it only feels like at most 20 minutes passed. He crafted such a narrative that I felt like you were taken on such a grand journey in a small amount of time.
83 likesDooGee agreed i had no idea how long id been watching till i saw 40 min had already passed
13 likesOh yeah mr krabs~
3 likesAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
Ummm, that's a cooked crab :/
0 likesYou’ve been getting better and better with all your documentaries like this, I seriously can’t wait to see what you talk about next.
64 likesAlso thank you for the team fabulous 2 reference again 💚💙
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After seeing that reference I want emp to do a video for kitty0706
1 likeDan Ramatan
0 likesI’d like to second that, I was an advil fan of Elliot, and also appreciate the subtle homages that Emp puts in his documentaries.
Thank you for making this, Emp.
97 likesI attended 2017's Big House and was one of the few who cheered when Hungrybox won it. As soon a I did, literally everyone sitting around me gave me a look like I was crazy, and one of them even went as far as to storm away like a diva and say "Why won't this asshole just quit mellee already?"
After this EXTREMELY well-made documentary, the toxic majority of mellee's community should no longer have trouble understanding why, and that he has, in every sense of the word, EARNED his status. I will continue to cheer him on along with my other favored players when I attend tournaments, because that is what everyone else should be doing instead of hating for petty reasons. You are gem of a Youtuber, EmpLemon, and I'm very upset that I've just now discovered your videos.
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GrammarGuru you're awesome dude
1 likeNice essay
0 likesimagine being a literal unbeatable god, then get beaten by a 14 year old.
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It was a different game and Ken at the time hardly even played brawl at all and items were on.
0 likes@Glendian ok but its still funny to me
0 likes@Cracstheidiot 69 It definitely sounds funny out of context
0 likes1:13:11 Off topic but this same attitude happens in music too. Hip hop heads constantly discredit Drake's success, saying that he's not hip hop or he's "killing rap" because he doesn't fit the typical image of a rapper and that he's "soft" and makes music for women. You can't be at the top if you don't have haters lol
0 likesWhat a beautiful video, dude. Truly impressed!
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Yo, I just wanted to say that your smash content is the best. I love you dude and keep it up =).
5 likes@Bread Accountant <3 thank you!
0 likesdamn dude i cried when he mentioned his biological dads shitty statement. its sucks to have a figure that tells you that youll never be the best. im sorry to hear that Hbox, and i feel you
130 likesI'm far more impressed by Hungrybox's achievements than Mango's. The guy went through school, a job and still became one of the five Gods, whereas Mango bragged about having more Evo wins than homework completed.
671 likesProps to the man.
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They're both incredible individuals really. Some of the clips from this documentary have quotes from them from long ago when they were younger and less mature. They've both grown since then year by year and the community is better for having them both.
64 likessame, and the fact that he did it with Puff while Mango uses Fox and Falco
14 likes@Mr. Meeseeks Hbox is definitely impressive, but in a way it's actually more impressive to win tournaments with Fox or Falco. At least in the current state of the meta. Yes the characters have better options, but considering how technically demanding they are it also makes them much more volatile. When you take human error and put it in a stressful tournament setting, against puff one mistake can mean one stock. Puff on the other hand can make mistakes several times over and unless the mistake is a missed rest the puff will just take some percent.
8 likesIn a game that was so fluid, fast and expressive. A game that was unlike any other where you could see the personality of a person come out in a video game character. Hbox got good by utilizing puffs back air, and rest. Even for puff a much more slower character, when mango used her he tried to utilize her entire moveset while also banking on heavy reads. Mango didn't stop using Puff bc he couldn't continue winning with her, she just wasn't what makes melee so great.
Nowadays though, Hbox actually has put in the time and learned all the in and outs of his character so you gotta give the man props. But considering how less volatile his character is in today's meta, being able to be so incredibly technical so consistently is the more impressive feat. Even Hbox himself would admit to this.
@Medic If you play cast and technical so consistently, you have to hope to knock the enemy out fast. If you fail to deal significant damage, you get subjected to a rope-a-dope and you have no answer because your fingers are tired.
2 likes@IllusionistsBane that's not how melee works at all. It's obvious you don't play from what you said alone. Your fingers aren't what gets tired when you play a technical character, if anything you'll feel it in your wrists.
6 likesIf you don't actually understand how matchups work in melee why on earth are you gonna pretend you do and make up some nonsense about "knocking the enemy out fast" like this Streetfighter or Marvel v Capcom.
Especially when you're talking to someone who's been playing and watching competitive melee for over 7 years.
@Medic toxic
5 likesMedic the fact that you know whether your wrists or fingers get tired quicker when tryharding says much more about you than them😂😂😂
7 likes@Chase Osu! damn. You got the whole squad laughing.
3 likes@Chase Osu! btw I've never heard someone call a melee player a "tryhard." And it's not so much being tired as it is just general wrist pain. That's what happens when you play a high APM kind of game though.
0 likes@Chase Osu! I came here originally to try and educate people, maybe give a little bit more insight. That guy tried to counter some of what i was saying as if he understands the game when he clearly doesn't... Obviously I'm not gonna have any part of that.
2 likesMedic “I came here to educate people” lmaooooo
6 likes@Chase Osu! 😴😴😴
2 likes@Chase Osu! LMFAO
1 likeI agree and he did it all with an underpowered character in comparison.
0 likes@Medic I definitely agree with you, I think IllusionistsBane was just guessing why what you said is true.
3 likes@Poxx oh yeah looking back on it I'm pretty certain I got the wrong impression from what he was saying.
2 likesI think the impressive thing about Mango is when you learn how he came up in the scene. He was a puff in a sea of Marth and Fox. And he just dominated .. without trying seemingly. He has some of the most aggressive playstyle and when people adapted to it.. he learned and changed and got even better.
0 likesHe's a dick and arrogant... But God he's good
Same with HBox, he is a bloody incredible player and the only reason I ever enjoy seeing him lose is because it means more people are getting that good.
that's cuz hes got a life outside videogames lmao
1 like@Medic Not only with how technical Fox and Falco are, but that they are so popular every single person knows how to fight against them. Knows how to cheese them. Knows how to get easy gimp kills on them. Only 1 guy plays Puff at a competitive level worthy of being in the top 10 of players, and he doesn't play casual sets with anyone, so no one can practice. 2Saint also plays Puff, but he's just nowhere near as good as any of these competitors so practicing against him doesn't mean much when you are very much playing an entire different game against Hbox's Puff. Seeing Hbox in bracket a single time in a tournament means the only practice you get on puff is the 3-5 games once a month or once every 2 months or 3 months, etc. And you might not even face Hbox in every single tournament you go to.
0 likes@Poxx I was trying to compare the whole "sick but lost" vs "lame yet won" thing to the Muhammad Ali vs George Foreman boxing match. The Rumble in the Jungle one.
0 likesIf you want to win while being sick, that is, with ludicrous APM, you have to defeat them quickly. If you, for some reason, fail to leverage your APM to win, with your opponent weathering the blows just fine, you end up like George Foreman in Round 8.
@aww awe you sound reasonable, so maybe you can enlighten me:
0 likesIF jigglypuff was so strong, how comes there is no other in the pro scene?
My knowledge is literally only from this vid, but this arguement seems to stay very VERY valid.
Some of the player who ache desperatly for wins should have an easy time getting some success with 'puff, right?
And i really want to know about the "technical demand" of fox/falco.
Because the way i see it, those are mechanics you learn, train and polish, but nothing that occupies your concentration during a game. Isn't it WAY more demanding the observe the game while playing and find clever ways to use your limited choices?
I respect the latter way more. I don't get how "yeah, I'll just do that combo, because I'm OP" is harder. (And yeah ofc, this is an exaggeration, up to an hyperbole, to try to get my point across here!)
Yo buddy how about you play as jigglypuff and try to win a tourney instead of being a toxic snail.
0 likesMang0 is the goat. Idc if you talk about Hbox or Armada but Mang0 is the greatest player of all time no questions in my mind
0 likes@aww awe I appreciate your efforts! Thank you very much!!!
0 likesWell said
0 likeswow, i cant imagine being told by everyone even your own father that you would never be good enough. Hbox sure proved everyone wrong
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Couldn't agree more, person on the internet who's channel banner greatly concerns me!
26 likes@JakeFromStateFarm he does a little trolling
5 likesMore common than you think bro
1 likeIt's sad that Hungrybox has had such a sad life. And it's sad that his only support in life has a community that hates him just because of his playstyle. But I personally really like the guy, his rage becomes justifiable when you see just what he's been through. It's pretty much personal. While I myself don't like popping off, I understand why he does. And I appreciate it. He may be crude, but except for his past edge, he's really not that bad. Once again, nobody knows him too well. Except for Captain crunch and his close friends. So I can't verify what he's like exactly, but he's never struck me as an inherently bad person unlike what the melee community thinks. Along with that, his dedication and pure mental fortitude is extremely respectable.
583 likesTL;DR I respect HBox alot. His personality becomes justified when you learn about him.
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Hungrybox’s playstyle is arguably better than people like mango, mango followed the meta while hungrybox didn’t.
16 likes@Moo that’s the thing about Hungrybox, he made his own meta
12 likes@Dashinix Nekalai I think this is what it is to master gaming itself. To see that there is life beyond the official "meta." For this reason, i find this video i just stumbled on incredibly inspiring. I'd love to know about these "hbox stories" to know if trying to turn this guy into an icon outside of smash is a good idea.
10 likes@Dashinix Nekalai Not only did he make his own Meta, he molded the meta into something never before seen, forcing everyone else to go back to the drawing board and start from essentially square one. That's masterful.
1 likeI like brawl to but melee is special
0 likesMan I had no idea who this guy was, you kept me glued to the screen for an hour and a half, cheering and hoping he would win his first evo. Seriously one of the best channels on youtube and the best damn series in youtube
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If you enjoyed this, you might also enjoy the Smash Documentary. It's 4hrs long but broken into episodes/chapters (each 1 like 20mins long)
3 likesAnd it goes into the history of Ken and MewTwoKing.
5 likesI know why the melee community HATES Hungrybox. They hate change and they want to fit in with streetfighter and Fatel Fury. So having H-box play a character that defines all of that AND is #1 3 times in a row? It's shameful of this community
Seems like the smash community needs to grow a pair, stop sleeping with their lifesize plushies and... GIT GUD.
0 likesI really don't see why so much hate for HBox.. Like for real.. I don't see anyone else in the community that is bashing HBox, grind out the time of getting to the level where he is today. Just like the Crab Mentality, toxicity will breed toxicity. The community needs an attitude check, lol.
Hbox was never a villain, he was and is the hero of melee, people like him are perfect examples of inspiration
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He isn't just a hero of melee, he's a hero for Smash Bros as a whole.
17 likes@Ryweis and the ones who called him the villains are actually the villains
14 likes@Detrezo so what you are telling me is that Hbox is Naofumi? Cool 😎 when does he get isekai'd in his isekai? (spoilers, I guess 😅)
5 likes@jayands If that's a reference to an anime them you're out luck lmao I haven't seen a single one
2 likesLol nah
0 likesHe was the villain and that’s what makes him so great, when an entire community hates you and you rise above it is better than a hero winning with everyone behind them and he really is a good guy but because he’s “boring” he’s hated in the melee community but without that hate he might have never been a legend
5 likesI always saw him as the hero because I was a Kirby main simply because I love Kirby more than any other Nintendo character and all my fucking friends played Fox and Falco and I had to endure those furry fucks for years. Then I see this guy playing Jigglypuff wrecking Fox and it put a smile on my face. Same with Armada with Peach (until he betrayed her and went to the dark side by switching to Fox).
6 likes@Detrezo it's an anime, but the part I was referring to isn't yet animated as of this writing
0 likesman thats such a beautifull video but way too much ads
0 likesNow, there is Juan
0 likesI have to say, after hearing how much the Melee community shit on Hungrybox, just seeing that kid at the end give him a huge hug even after beating him makes my heart happy. He's showing the right amount of respect, even in the face of victory.
152 likesdid you sync the music tone shifts to the wobbles?
0 likes"there will Never Ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox"
0 likesOk.....why are people still playing melee, period
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Because melee is siccccckkkkk
4 likes"Through the rise of Dr. PeePee" "Picking his foes apart with surgical precision"
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You missed a chance at pissicion. I am disappointed in you
22 likesForeskin Foreskin Foreskin
8 likesWHEN HE SAYS PEEPEE WITH A VOICE LIKE THAT "Even though peepee was the last to rise" "hax had a face off with peepee"
4 likesHoly shit.
19 likesI can't imagine what it must've been like to be one of, if not the best player of all time and just be bodied by a random kid who showed up because his family happened to walk by
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Adrian Naranjo I kinda love it
0 likeswho just caries around a dead crab? Is that like a maryland thing cuz i grew up crabbing a lot on barnegat bay and never just carried around dead crabs
1 likeyou know you're in Maryland when an angry crowd member throws a crab at you
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This is a certified Maryland moment
39 likescan confirm
7 likesNever been, what’s it like?
0 likes@Fries crabs
19 likes@dammitgabe How so?
1 like@Smashtroid64 By old bay do you mean Chesapeake?
0 likesJust curious because I’ve never been
@Fries It’s a kind of spice. We put that shit on burgers, fries, and crabs. Especially crabs.
10 likes@Fries 😂😂😂 omg that just made my day
2 likes@dammitgabe Glad you got a kick out of it.
0 likesHad no idea what that spice is, and that Maryland is associated with crabs until this comment section.
@Smashtroid64 can confirm, and as the oldest Smash scene out there, there is much old bay had while eating Five Guys at Xanadu.
1 likeHe had a heated maryland moment.
0 likes@Smashtroid64 The Flag of Maryland looks like it belongs in the Holy Roman Empire but I understand the cult dedication to Crabs and Old Bay.
1 like@MK ULTRA That's part of the charm now that I think about it
0 likesYeah that’s what I said too a year earlier
0 likesThis dude just balanced his real life and his gaming life. What an absolute magnificent man. All the criticism and hate probably came from those who are jealous at someone who's just amazing.
60 likesIs leffen the Donald trump of melee?
1 likeOF COURSE IT WAS A FUCKING CRAB WHAT WAS I EXPECTING HABHCBS
1 likeThis is actually a freaking masterpiece, I went into this expecting misinformation, and I went out blown away. I have new-found respect for hbox because of you.
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Why didn't you respect Hbox at first?
3 likes@LVGHST rumors and shit talking are a powerful thing. I'm in the same boat, respect him asf now
0 likesI respected him alot like when he looks at opponents controller to see which way they DI. Anything to win even of it makes tournaments harder to organize because of the extra CRTs from playing side to side being not viable if your opponent cheats and looks at which way you DI.
1 likelol look at that mans hand at 52:16
1 likeIt's seriously can't of been a year since the release of this masterpiece, man this year felt like it went by in an instant looking back...
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I feel the same
2 likesWhat about a can of beans?
2 likes"can't of" dies inside
1 like@Sheep I know it's "can't have", can't be bothered to change it
0 likesI was genuinely interested throughout the entire thing. God tier editing, pacing, and storytelling. 10/10 video.
114 likesHungrybox is the embodiement of hard work and perseverance. Massive respect for that guy.
131 likesSo you finally watched this video...
0 likesProbably countless comments like mine, but the quality of this piece makes me want to leave a comment anyway:
105 likesMasterful documentary sir, I don’t even play or watch smash, but the way you tell this story made me watch this whole video in one go. You have great skill in telling a story and putting it in a video, thanks for putting this online!
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Weak sauce. I watched it twice, in full. ;) I've not even heard of the game before, but it was awe-inspiring. I actually checked out Hungrybox afterwards and I'm glad to see he's doing much better since the whole crab incident. I can relate to a lot of his struggles, too, so this documentary did hit me right in the feels.
1 likePeople that hate someone just because they play a character they dont like need some help. I have a lot of respect for HungryBox and love his content, screw everyone that hates him just because he plays Jigglypuff. #Respectthepuff
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puff is fine I just don't like his personality
1 like#respectthepuff
1 likeGideon Reszka that’s why he’s so great he wants to be hated, he wants the fuel to be able to destroy his competition and that’s why he might be the best melee player ever, not only being a villain but rising above all the odds to be the best
5 likesI agree, and I have just a sliver of personal experience with this mentality as a unitless control player in every card game ever made. Reactive, slow, defensive playstyle just like Jigglypuff. Facing constant nerfs forcing me to rebuild strategies, decklists, and lines of play. All the while nearly every community universally agrees my playstyle kills games, drives away players, and is unfun to play, play against, and watch. Exactly what the melee community continues to (falsely) scream at Hbox.
7 likesBut you know what, that makes everything all the sweeter when you win piloting a small pink sphere who takes a nap mid combat to KO their opp. Keep on proving them wrong, you beautiful, beautiful Box
HBox is super amazing, I just don't like puff.
0 likesok looking back I have no idea why i hated hbox for like that week I mean I don't like him but I went on a rampage
0 likesalso #puffistough is incredibly stupid
0 likesPuff is annoying, and has a low skill cap compared to almost every character in the game. His character is obnoxious, and his personality is obnoxious. Honestly the praise he gets is largely undeserved.
1 likePpl who hated was because he cannot beat The another OP pink marshmallow in smash
0 likes@Synmer mad cause bad
3 likesI respect him just not his play style great person love hot Juans just really boring character and play style
0 likes"In his time, there were four others like him. Now... It's just Juan"
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leavetome ...
1 likeMan. Honestly. Even with the documentaries and stuff ive not grown interest in watching any e ports, smash tournies or anyone specially.
182 likesThat just changed. I really want to see him play live.
I want to root for him. He really is an underdog.
I want to root for HungryBox
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Underdog? Is that the term?
5 likesClutchbox
3 likesGood, do it. I'm personally not a fan of hungrybox, but he is a good guy and deserves more love than he gets. I also think he basically wants to be mango, which by that I mean he wants to be liked by the community but because of his character choice everyone gives him shit. Honestly smash is the most hype I get when watching esports, even when I use to play amateur Dota 2 tournaments I would never get as hype as I do watching smash tournaments. If you haven't already done this, you should watch some melee tournaments from the past couple years.
1 like@CaePez Yes thank you.
0 likes6mil views later.. some people do watch videos like these.
0 likesNever before have I seen a player who has the ability to be patient, strategic, persevere and posses sheer fucking will, and still respect each and every player he has come across, be like Hungry Box
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Thas why i want to have the same synergy as him
0 likesDr. PeePee 💀
0 likesWhen I was a kid I played every character except jigglypuff. I thought she was useless, and some of my favorites are apparently mid-tier or trash.
611 likesSo when I saw that someone was beating obnoxious/monotonous fox mains with her I was amazed. Hbox singlehandedly made Melee interesting again, to someone who only ever saw the game as a stale meme. He has my whole-hearted support. I hope the disgusting levels of pettiness and butt-hurt in this community reach more tolerable levels in the future.
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its funny too because jigglypuff was suppose to be the joke character of the game
13 likes@Corey Golphenee He was supposed to be a joke in 64 but then sakurai buffed the puff in melee and then made Pichu the joke character in Melee
12 likes@Sbeve Loaf buff the puff lmao
0 likesYou were just trying to piss people off with this comment and I'm so happy nobody gave you the attention you wanted lmao
1 like@Trickyy lmao the people who say those things are people who are not inside of the community, hungrybox gets a lot of hate that is extremely unwarranted but it's really fucked up to call an entire community things that just simply aren't true. I promise look deeper into the community that so many attention seeking zoomers like to shit on and you'll see how actually welcoming and kind the community is. The melee community as changed the lives of thousands of people and it's a way more tight knit community than the majority of other games. The reason why this community as the reputation it has is because of just overall how passionate the community is. You will struggle to find any other game that has such a passionate community and sure that means some people are assholes and extreme about it, like every passionate community but to just shit on it when you're so uninformed is just obnoxious.
1 like@Kevin Velasco you do understand that they didn't say the community was toxic or evil right? They said they hope the level of toxicity and butt-hurt fueled hate dials itself back to more agreeable standards. That doesn't mean they think that the community as a whole is bad, just that those that are toxic, or use that form of attitude can grow past it. This makes your entire "arguement" completely fall apart as they aren't actually attacking anyone, they just want people to grow past that stage. And from the looks of it, you need to grow quite a bit yourself.
2 likes@Jinsu doesn't help your case though
2 likesDang, blow after blow. It's like a Coloseeum fight up there!
0 likesWho the fuck throws a raw crab? Like come on...
0 likesThis the lad who quit because he couldn't adapt to online?
0 likesI'm impressed that Hungrybox was studying engineering at the same time as being a pro. Hungrybox's mental fortitude is unbreakable. This is also parallel to Rangchu maining Panda and beating the best in Tekken 7 when the meta is devil jin. Amazing stuff, you love to see it!
281 likesThat looks like a cooked crab
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that's what i was thinking the whole time.
0 likescrabs only turn that red once you boil them.
It’s still a mystery to me who the hell brings a random real crab to a Melee tournament in the first place.
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Probably a fisherman
4 likesBlue Viper I think the tournament was in Boston so take it as you will
8 likes@Jared Conway I thought it was Maryland
4 likesMaybe before the person went to the tournament he want to a seafood restaurant and didn’t finish their food
1 like@Buff Barney it was a raw crab
0 likes@Luca Thum maybe he stole it from a tank at a pet store?
0 likes@Cameron Newman too true, you can't shake a stick without hitting a bucket of the things out here. Though the tournament being in Laurel is hilarious to me as Laurel is one of the danker cities of Maryland.
0 likesLord baiter
0 likesA grown man with the intent of throwing it at another grown man, as a means of voicing his displeasure.
0 likesI love this Pokemon Music in the start, I buyed the Wii game
0 likesNever played SSB, never heard of Hungrybox, YT recommends me this video.
159 likesBut this was a great video, and damn, I respect Hungrybox, the willpower and dedication he has is amazing. F*ck the haters.
I have mad respect for his accomplishments and he deserves the recognition of them. He had school and a job? Dude... I can barely make my own damn dinner after working a measly 6 hours...
148 likesI have mad respect for a man who kept fucking picking up the controller and trying. He stayed true to his dream and made it happen. I've played smash. Every character is hard to beat everyone with. Some matchups are advantageous but a skilled player doesn't care and wins anyway. I have lost to the point of rage and thrown my controller - I legit do NOT have what it takes to be the best because I couldn't do the hardest thing, stay focused, stay clear headed and keep trying.
Excellence in any field should be respected. Period.
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It's quite admirable and impressive that he was able to rise to the top while completing a difficult degree (not like he was majoring in communications or something) and then holding a full-time job. That takes a lot of work and dedication, his entire life must have been go to work, come home, play melee, sleep, rinse and repeat. Definitely deserves respect for that feat.
0 likesdamn, dude that is some fucking shit. And i though the LOL community was bad.
1 likeCheers to the the LAST OF THE OLD GODS
Interesting connection between how the Melee community sees/treats Hbox and how the FGC treats Melee.
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FGC and Smash are getting along a lot better these days.
15 likesAnd how Nintendo treats their man child fan base
6 likesAfter being in all of them, I can assuredly say I hate at least 80% of all the communities.
24 likesSF fans deserve capcom's treatment of them
MK fans deserve styles getting cut
GG fans deserves getting STRIVE'D
BB fans deserve getting TAGGED
Ultimate fans deserve their shitty online and their pedophiles
Melee fans deserve losing Armada and viewership
Tekken deserves their balance getting destroyed by stylish old men
uni.... actually the uni community is pretty cool. Unless you're a phonon player then you can suffer forever in the CLR nerfs.
Infiltration did nothing wrong.
@Turbo Geschwindigkeit I only really liked melee for its history. Or to the hip kids how 2B2T players like the server for its rich history and culture (haha am I right 😎)
4 likes@Turbo Geschwindigkeit Unist players are disgusting because they play Unist.
4 likes@Turbo Geschwindigkeit This whole comment had me laughing hard but the infiltration unblockable got me, good shit gg.
6 likesmass human behaviour can draw parralels in interesting ways huh
0 likesTbh the toxicity is kinda of what’s makes the FGC what it is.if it was all nice and squeaky clean it wouldn’t be the same and the stories wouldn’t be nearly as juicy
1 likeTurbo Geschwindigkeit phonon will be fine in clr lol.
0 likesJason Alvarado honestly just come to the MK/NRS community. Pretty clean for the most part. The worst youll get is disagreements in tiers for characters but mostly civilized
0 likes@Turbo Geschwindigkeit you said "all of the communities" but you didn't mention DoA, Skullgirls or KoF ? (and im hesitating to also mention DBFZ, though i might catch some FGC flak for mentioning that one since its more casual than the rest)
0 likesalso the unist community holds up well because they stick together, and they stick together because everyone else in the FGC hates them (perhaps because their game is actually somewhat balanced, or the fact that its basically fate:bootleg the anime the game) - they're pretty much like the furry community of the FGC (and boi im gonna catch flak for that too ^^)
@Chris Theophilus Yes she will be. She'll finally have normal damage instead of ridiculously high damage for how versatile she is. And now her 66B shenanigans aren't free anymore because fireball has less blockstun. Finally, she's a normal character.
0 likes@Lexou Duck I cut them out for brevity's sake but sure,
1 likeSamsho players deserve their awful online and not getting Gen'an back
DBFZ players deserve their constantly diminishing relevancy
Skullgirls deserves getting killed for a game that had no direction whatsoever
Samsho deserves their awful online and Gen'an not coming back, ever
KoF... has had nothing bad happen to them actually. Aside from graphics, KoF14 was a relatively solid entry, especially compared to say, 11 and 13.
DoA deserves getting their jiggle physics removed for forgetting their CORE VALUES
KI deserves to get a new game.
It’s 4:30 am. This popped up in my recommendations and I watched the entire thing. I don’t play smash. Just love games. And this video was put together with an insane level of production quality. I watched more for the commentary and story telling than any interest in ssb. whoever you are you’re amazing but to work as hard as you do I know you know that already. Would have loved to hear that Gainesville story. I guess the world will never know. Can you do more of these on different game related subjects or was this the product of a love for ssb? Either way keep up the good work. Liked and Subbed.
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I actually saw HungryBox at a grocery store in Gainesville last week. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
19 likesHe said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Felt
0 likes@Quinn Forde this is the most well-constructed and earnest bullshit I have ever read. I laughed so hard you got me kicked out of java class.
12 likes@Quinn Forde blessed copypasta
3 likesbro wtf also hit my list at 4:30 am... what is yt algorithm
1 likeSame for me, I am now considering watching melee tournaments
1 likeThis has been in my recommendations for months. I finally caved.
1 like@The Soviet Kevin I’m sorry I made you read all those words that must have been hard for you
0 likes@Black Flag NGU yeah i can imagine finding it difficult to read the same copy-pasted comments plaguing the site
0 likesWhat I find incredible is playing the same character for more than ~10 years, and about half of those years resulted in many major defeats, but still kept playing, learning, and adapting. Perfect example is at 40:44. One of Armada's biggest losses resulted in him picking up another character in a heartbeat without question. Props to you for sticking to one character for so long even after being defeated countless times and the abuse that followed and follows too. Hey you must be doing something right since you are living in people's minds rent free.
46 likesI'm shocked that I decided to watch this video the whole way through. But even as someone who doesn't pay any attention to eSports, I will say this was genuinely interesting! It's a shame Hungrybox gets treated like so much shit for no reason.
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It is fundamentally an issue of viewers bored of dealing with a "lame" strategy or playstyle, even if it's efective.
2 likes"it simply does get better if you believe it will"
57 likesthank you Hungrybox
As somebody who knew absolutely nothing about this community before watching this video. Bravo, its cool how one can tell the story of a community through the lense of one amazing person.
26 likes1:10:58 im Claping for him now ,, God bless Hungrybox ! dude deserves better from his community !
23 likesYour editting and soundtrack choices and Hungrybox's gameplay make this video a masterpiece. Breathtaking for a YouTube video..
10 likesShoutouts to Captain Crunch too, that bit was movie-level inspiring
So happy to see this video continue to find success and people even rewatching over and over. It truly it amazing what EMP lemon created and the story of Hbox is also something so inspirational. I hope all of you have a good day and joy to the Hbox fans.
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I'll play this game for 20 more years if that's what it takes to be the best player in the world. Tha't the words of a person that truly had already win. Great to see that determination. Cheers from Guatemala Hbox.
10 likes43years old me thanks you for this video.
11 likesI played once, maybe twice melee (i did not liked it) although i started my gamers life via atari and zx spectrum.
So i never knew about this tournaments and neither Hbox.
Yet your video got me stuck till the end: nice way setting the point, introducing the characters (5 gods etc) and documentary like style !!
Well done and once more : Thanks !! (greetings form Greece)
This is a great story, love the history of competitive Melee along with the personal story. Also, the music is AWESOME.
3 likesSome guy just woke up one morning and thought, "I'm gonna keep this crab in my pocket the entire tournament in the off chance that Hungrybox wins."
14 likesThis video is an excellent portrayal of the Melee community and general attitudes of the times. Thumbs up
4 likesI think the moral of this story is that everyone is going through some shit and you don't always know their story, so have some fucking empathy lol
10 likesThis was incredibly good! Thank you so much for making it!
1 likevery entertaining video. I don't even play smash but I watched the entire length. nice job
3 likesGodly editing skills, I take my hat off.
7 likesThis feels like the final "big" Smash video we got in so long. 2020 was awful in more ways than one. Community just keeled over and died.
8 likesI've always loved Hungrybox. Dude said fuck the meta, fuck the other gods, and plays a toxic af character out of sheer stubborn determination. Dude is so hard-headed and talented at being hard-headed that it's inspiring
2 likesWow I was going through some heavy stuff (i.e. break ups, betrayal from friends and family issues) and because of this video and my love for smash I won't give up because I've been playing smash since I was in day care and now I'm the best in my group and because of Hbox I feel like I cant give up even if the hardships make me want to. Much appreciation to players like Hbox and to the creator of this video. I feel like again smash bros has saved me.
2 likesThis was well made. I started playing Smash when the n64 came out with my cousin. We became great players (not pros) on Melee. Despised Brawl. Loved Project M but was too fast for my cousin to enjoy. I didn't bother with anything else. Always told my cousin that we should hold tournaments, this was back in 2002, right after high school. Respect to Hungrybox, underrated, underdog, and under appreciated. Hungybox deserves respect.
0 likesThanks for this incredible, god level video. Truly remarkable piece of content!!!
0 likesWell done @emplemon, i have been a smash bros fan since the beginning, and played competitively at my locals. i never got really far, but some of my friends advanced to higher levels of play. Smash bros has been a unifying force amongst my friends when we were young, and though many of us don't compete these days, it's still a lot of fun.
1 likemy exp with smash players has been generally positive, though i recognize there are a lot of salty, smelly jerks in this community. i'm glad you showed the different sides of hbox's rise to the top. Thanks for making this.
great work!
2 likesi dont even play melee but i watched the whole video.
Thank you kindly @EmpLemon for that very interesting, well-written, well-produced video.
0 likesVery happy the algorithm brought me here, and thank you again for educating me on a game and its e-sport side I never really looked into.
I didn't know I needed a a hungrybox documentary, but here we are 😀
2 likesThe first documentary that I actually watched all the way through. I regret none of it. This was one of the most inspiring stories I've ever heard, and it's driving me mad that I can't like and listen to it for the first time all over again.
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If you want more content like this about smash, look up Melee Stats' "Michael vs Bananas -The Only Reason we Play Melee" It's super good and a good next step if you're interested in learning more about the community.
2 likesMust respect @ hungrybox, and thank you yt. creator for getting this beautifully made video out
1 likei had no intention of watching the whole thing, just to have it on as background noise as I clean my room and roll a joint, but holy shit this was so well made it made the hour and a half seem like minutes
1 likeThis video is amazing. Well researched and presented. But my takeaway from it all is this...
0 likesWow. People dedicated their entire lives to a game I've hardly even heard of.
Takes all colours to make a rainbow I guess...
This video gives me another reason to love this game and the people who play it
1 likeHbox, if you ever read this, know that I never looked at the Smash competition past my city, but I would have loved to fight you, wished I would have known my beloved game had a second breath, and would have supported you from the bottom of my heart, and clapped at the tournaments to encourage you and celebrate your victories <3 I can't believe the louder part of the community hated you will all the fervor they were giving to smash, they inputed their personnal value onto you for egocentric reasons, not doing what they should have done and choosing the easy way instead of doing the only real thing to do, wich is, confronting you in a good fashion match like we always do to settle arguments ^^
1 likePure determination, gotta love to see it
1 like@EmpLemon Thank you for introducing me to Such an inspirational being And thank you @Hungrybox for never giving up!!!🖖
1 likePretty sure Ive never even seen a match, and I still enjoyed every bit of this.
0 likesGreat video essay!
sakurai: i want a new experience for every match
1 likealso sakurai: sonics specials
i've never played/wacthed this game at all but u made the video so interesting and easy to understand that u got me for an hour and a half.
0 likesThat was amazing! I loved it!
0 likesnever really a fan of nintendo games but this video got me into watching hours of smash tournaments
1 likeBeating all the ''cool'' characters with the ''lamest'' one seems like the most boss thing you could do imo xD
0 likesi'm re-watching this becuz i love hungrybox... i'm a jigglypuff main in every smash becuz of him
1 likeWhat a thrilling story about a game I didn't even know existed. Well done!
0 likesI don't watch esports and I don't care about normal sports. But this has me invested like the season finale of a really good sports anime- there are tears in these eyes!
1 likethis man went through an entire training tournament arc after getting beaten just to come back for the win.
0 likesI remember when it came out. My friend had a 64, we transitioned from waverace and San Francisco rush 2049, to pretty much JUST this for a while
0 likesI've never seen a single Smash bros match, but still watched this documentary all the way through - wow!
0 likesDid Hungrybox seriously not EXPECT a crab to be thrown at him? The tournament was in MARYLAND
2 likeswhat i learned from this video:
2 likesHungrybox and the GODs are great
Melee community sucks
Melee community deserves a player like leffen
Melee and Hungrybox does not need Melee community
Awaesome video! You showed how a single person may important to an entire community even though this same community is toxic and treat others as human beings that struggle hard to be good and still must be prepared mentally to deal with stuff that wasn't supposed to deal...
0 likesAnyway, for a long time I don't follow Melee scenario but I really love this game and what these "Gods" made of it, it's incredible...
I'm sure HBox is a genius, he wasn't always full time melee player even though was able to never give up and improve himself to be the best! Then he did it! He deserved it!
Nice job, HBox!
Your the man Hbox. I can't imagine how shitty it is taking all that hate but there's still tons of fans out there that respect what you've done! Your a GOAT, that's just a fact.
0 likesThis is the greatest e-sports documentary I've ever seen.
5 likesHell, this is the greatest SPORTS documentary I've ever seen.
i always liked hbox from the music he listened to on streams. Also the people that like to whine can just pick up a controller and try settling things that way, otherwise they can disappear. it applies with anything.
1 likeI don't really keep up with gaming but my brothers made me watch EVO with them just to see Hungrybox in the finals, because they knew it was drama & history in the making. They listed off all these reasons for not liking Hungrybox, basically word-for-word exactly what was said in the vid. I liked HB just because I thought it took a fun personality and huge cahones to play only Jigglypuff. In the end, I was fortunate to watch HB win against Armada & win against Mango. His emotional response convinced me that there is no way he was as arrogant as everyone said, and then when he mentioned that comment by his father during the interview, it made me feel even more for him. Learning now that he got through schooling and became an engineer makes me respect him even more!! I'm not much, but I will always be a HungryBox fan lol. Anyway. Amazing documentary!! Well said and well structured. Thanks for all the effort put in!
1 likethe visuals and references and edit, I wish I could like this video twice
1 likeI went to quickly watch the fight of Ken vs cpu (the 14 year old). Ken threw the second match so hard, messed up his recovery twice, but then cpu juking more ultimates than Ken could land, that's very good reading from the kid's part
0 likes46:39 he just landed rest on my heart
0 likesThe Melee community allows a Fox player to be toxic while also condemning Hungrybox for doing somewhat the same thing. And alot of other stuff.
3 likesAnd the Melee community wonders why they're the most hated.
what a masterpiece of a video.
1 likeThe editing in this video is insane jesus christ
2 likesVery well made video. this had taken a lot of research
0 likesYoutube wanted me to watch this for months.
2 likesSo today I did.
And I am glad I did.
Great video
I know its unlikley Hungrybox ever reads this, but still i got great Respect for your Achievements - Besides RL still on the Top isnt a easy thing to do and all that hate towards you and still, keep it still Rolling earns you my Respect.
0 likesHope all good for you - Some random internet Gaming Nerd
Hbox vs armada us the most hype set of melee ever, don't even try to change my mind
2 likes@1:06:40 I did this on SMITE with the character Neith, in 2016 and 2017 I finished rank 1 in the world leaderboards across all consoles/PC for KDR, Matches won, and Ranked matches won. EVERYBODY gave me shit because they said I was only using the “easiest character in the game”, but the way I look at it, if I’m the best at using the easiest character, doesn’t that mean I’m the best at the basic fundamentals of the game?
1 likethat was surreal! a fucking RAW CRAB!?!?!?! wtf?!?!? LMAO
5 likesThis video has been recommended to me like 100 times even though I don't even play smash bros, or watch that much about it.
1 likecrazy that a game that doesn't have any buffs or nerfs or patch notes have different metas
1 likeHad no intention of watching this, but in the end i stayed because all of this was like watching me growing up. So much hate so much cruelty, kids are so cruel.
0 likesAnd then we grow up :) thx
Wow. Literally everyone should watch this
0 likesI can't even. I feel so bad for Hbox
1 likeThat trippy ass scene with Moon jigglypuff was hilarious while only being just slightly disturbing.
0 likesNever seen a single melee tournament and still Hyped af, I was quite terrible at melee (played it like twice on an emulator at a friend's house).
0 likesi enjoyed that IMMENSLY
0 likesthe FGC mandating a concept like 'serious play' sounds about right.
1 likethis video is incredible and I like that even people that don’t even really know that much about Mile or the smashing can watch this and still enjoy it fucking incredible video and I feel like this video was for those types of people the people who don’t really know that much about the smashing I’m glad that appeals to them
0 likes1:16:43 what really pisses me off is that, even with stuff like quarter circles, Melee is STILL better than other fighting games. Melee actually DOES require semi-precise turns for stuff like shield drops, wave shines, and smash di. As a game programmer, it is really simple to program in combos that need those semi-turns. The problem arises with the fact that some of those turns if done badly enough, won't register. Melee fixes that because there is nothing in the game to necessarily read those turns, thus resulting in more natural flowing gameplay. Melee IS sick.
0 likesRespect to HB for committing to Jigglypuff
0 likesWhat a fucking legend
0 likesSo wait... is throwing a crab at someone like an ultimate disrespect in competetive video gaming?
1 likeI mean, sure it's not nice to be thrown at with anything, much less a hard shelled crustacean with sharp claws
but like my personal reaction woulda been manic laughter after such an absurd thing. Granted I'm 5:50 into the video so maybe it'll all make sense if I keep watching
I don't play this game... but man I watched it. Freaking good. I should be working.
0 likesJigglypuff is Smash Bros on hard mode. Jigglypuff's best move makes it goes to sleep for 3 seconds and has one of the slowest movement speeds in the game. The fact this dude took puff to the top makes him a king. All these puds contributing to the thousands of Fox-bots are the real losers.
0 likesrevisiting this for the first officially sanctioned Nintendo tournament
0 likesso we are living in the villain arc
1 likeas someone who was irrelevant to Smash, in my perspective, Hungrybox was a god who doesn't need faith or beliefs he aint a god anymore but as the concept itself.
0 likesman, the fistbump that turned into a hug at 01:19:42 got me! who's cutting onions?!
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That guy that gave the fist bump just won his first massive tournament, Smash Summit 12! His name is iBDW and is worth watching if you're interested!
1 like@DarthNiko Games man, that moment hits differently, idk why, HB waiting for the fistbump, and almost dropping it, you can it see in his eyes, he didnt know if iBDW is gonna be a good sport and fistbump or just hyped to rub it on his face.
1 likeit felt like HB was disappointed to many times in the community, but still had hope, he kept following iBDW's hand with his eye to maybe confirm the fistbump, but then he got the hug. im telling u it feels different.
An hour long video about a man throwing a crab at another man at a smash tournament and i watched the whole thing? Subscribed
1 likeSo dude was basically the floyd mayweather of smash melee?
1 likegonna start going to competitions just to cheer on hbox out of spite
0 likesCant believe I just found this video. Amazing.
0 likesI think people are just salty their heroes are defeated by a mean pink cute blob.
3 likesI don't get it at all. You're going to actually hate a person and make stuff up about him, just because the character he picked isn't one you like? And he's the only one in the top rankings who's even good with that character? I don't know about you, but those fights did NOT look boring to me. Keep it up, HBox.
1 likei still love melee
0 likesit aint easy being greasy, heavy is the head that wears the crown, money dont grow on trees, once you pop you cant stop
0 likes"After the rise of the 5th God... Dr. PeePee" lmaooo
0 likesWow, I never knew any of this... Fucking ridiculous how people think Hungrybox is bad because he plays Jigglypuff, yet no one can get near his level with the character. Also, people really do need to think what is going on through peoples lives before hating them. Hearing Hungrybox's backstory hurt me, and I never even knew of him before this video.
0 likesPlayed this game a bit long time ago, I am the best player in the world at Splinter Cell Blacklist so I can relate to a lot of this. Sounds like he plays Jigglypuff because it is the slowest. Fast paced characters require over commitment to their attacks leaving themselves open to counter attacks. It is harder to guess what your opponent is going to do when they move slow, when they move fast there are limitations on what they can do and where they can go. He seems to kick them down and grab the ledge so his opponent can't.
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That's a big simplification of the game's meta, but not wholly inaccurate. I will say that fox usually has many more effective movement options available to him at a given time than puff, but puff is able to remain defensive due to her insanely good air speed and big spacing. Puff isn't the slowest character in the game in all facets (that honor is given to Bowser).
0 likesi thought i was the only one that jumped bellow the platform to kill people and then go back up xD
0 likesWe have a saying where I live that "forever is a bad rep owned" I'm sure many of those that are low enough to take a jab at someone they don't really know just because it makes them feel part of something don't even know what they are talking about or why they do it, I've never played Melee, but I'm a Hungrybox fan, the underdog that showed other geeks that it's possible, and who persisted through the hate and hardship. Hats off to you Hbox. And good job on a very thorough and detailed documentary.
0 likesI learned life from this video.
0 likesMelee's 5th God:
0 likesDr. Peepee.
Just an outsider looking in on this, but I wonder if they hated him because he was playing as Gigglypuff and it just seems like he's just trolling everyone.
1 likeHbox, rather than being boring to watch, is actually what got me interested in watching melee in the first place. Just having eyes made it really clear there wasn't a single other puff player like him, I don't think I ever saw a puff vs puff matchup in fact because no one at least post-2015 got far in tournament with it besides him. Puff vs puff DOES look boring, but if it's so hard to make the character viable I don't think there's any problem other than Hbox being hard to beat for other top players.
0 likesRIP Hungrybox
0 likes1:04:56 Now, there's just Juan.
1 likeThis is why you don't make a "documentary" while something is still happening. This video is already outdated. Hbox will always be one of the gods and the way he was treated is inexcusable but not really a suprise because it's the same at all levels in the smash community.
0 likesWow imagine hating om someone so much that you write a whole toxic message because he did something as little and checking his watch. If he's so bad at the game and is being carried by jigglypuff then all those people talking trash should just beat him in a set if it's THAT easy
1 likePhenomenal video.
0 likesPhenomenal video.
0 likesThat's not a raw crab btw. It's 100% a steamed crab. They are blue and turn orange when cooked.
0 likesbecause no other player will ever get hit by a crab lmao
1 likeIf someone wanna grind 20 yrs on a frigging GameCube game on one jigglypuff character to become champ then more power to them!!!! Hahahaha!!!
0 likesPPMD got medical reasons makes me wonder how many PP's need medical care
1 likejust wanted to say, i play smash here and there with friends. not really interesting to me. however i watched this video in its entirety. and as a pikachu player i salute hungrybox. they say you are boring to watch? on the contrary. as a professional TCG player. im just going to say, its much more boring to watch everyone play the same exact thing. AKA fox. so for you to be the top with a character nobody plays? respect, and if i ever find myself at a smash event look for the guy shouting the loudest for you. itll probably be me. wish you the best
0 likesThis is late, VERY late, but maybe do Michigun next? Considered you did Dale, this cannot be that far-fetched, right?
0 likesWho throws a crab? Honestly?
2 likes20:47 No it's psychological
0 likesIm telling u ,, i see it with streamer,, ppl see them ,, and get scared .. and anyone in competitive sports will tell u ,, confidence is everything .
The biggest takeaway from all of this is that one man made thousands, if not millions of people say the name “DrPeePee” without a shred of irony.
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Perhaps even better is that he went by P.P.M.D. during the latter part of his career.
0 likesHungrybox father is sus. When your hero is your enemy.
0 likesbruh this is the third time this week i’ve watched an hour+ long video on youtube about something i know NOTHING about 😭 why am i doing this
0 likesI saw Hungrybox at a grocery store in Florida yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
5 likesThe crab being thrown is theee most maryland thing
1 likeHungrybox, looks like that dwarf character from game of thrones.
0 likesPraise to your mono tone when it came to Dr. Pee Pee
0 likeshow do you sneak a crab in to a place like that
1 likebest documentary styled video ive ever seen wow
0 likesi clicked on this video and i thought it ended @5:30. gonna have to watch this later
0 likesWhen I try to play as jigglypuff I suck
0 likesGreatest video esse i ever seen!
0 likesSo... HungryBox is Dale Earnhardt?
1 likeMango was seriously my least favorite in smash. He was the original asshole.
1 likelove that theres still recent comments lol, this like my 6th time rewatching
2 likesin maryland its quite normal to have crabs in your belongings at any given moment
0 likesQue documental mas impresionantes.
0 likesAdrenaline is adrenaline. If you're on a high, insult becomes war. No blame to "hungrybox?"
0 likesCrab guy was mad because he went there to watch Hbox lose
1 likeMelee: the rat community.
1 likeGreat vid, mate
2 likesyeah but has he discovered deodorant and showers yet?
0 likesThat crab isn't raw. It's red. Crabs don't turn red until they are boiled.
1 like0:20 something fell out, lol
3 likes1:20:20 Story about the crab
0 likeswhy did my man have a crab lmao
1 likeFox was the real villain and the real most boring character to play and watch.
1 likeEmpLemon: Entire analysis on the history of Smash and it's competitive gaming scene
870 likesMe: Hehe, Dr.PeePee.
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Ha ha pee pee
1 likehahaha pee pee
0 likesIs it just me, or was it disappointing to find out that Mew2King doesn't actually play Mewtwo?
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He does but in Melee Mewtwo is one of the worst characters in the game. But he does main Mewtwo in project m.
106 likes@Jesse Maldonado Man, Project M is such a fantastic mod. Instead of knocking down everything into low-tier like Brawl did, it elevates almost every character into top-tier status.
43 likes@Le duéliste des bois ok
1 like@BowlUndrFire what do you mean more tripping?!
0 likes@Jesse Maldonado such a shame to find that out years ago hahah. I’m a casual player since the game came out, never took it too seriously. I ended up maining a lot of underdogs like Peach, Zelda or .. Mewtwo lol.
3 likesCome to find years later my pro smash player friends would criticize the absolute shit out of me when playing with me and constantly mock me for any choice. I knew they would beat me but Jesus Christ a lot of my smash friends are highly toxic and wayyyyy too cocky
@BowlUndrFire I mean smash ultimate doesn't have the same movement options and techniques as melee or pm so imma stick with those 2 games.
1 like@BowlUndrFire Talk to me when Mewtwo is a top tier in ultimate.
0 likesYeah hahaha
0 likesThis was inspirational. This came at just the right time for me to find it, at a pretty tough time in my own personal journey. Thanks to Hungrybox, and EmpLemon.
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Same here. Grandfather died near the end of last year, Jan 1 I broke my arm (makes it impossible to do some of my work), Jan 25 I found out I was locked out of work and dismissed, and though there are a few other things, that’s enough.
6 likesI may have an opportunity to use what I’ve learned to strike out on my own though... That takes a lot of determination. It’s hella intimidating! And right now, it’s kind of all or nothing. But HBox’s story (as told by EmpLemon) is JUST what I needed at this moment!
Hope you also find the clutch determination to pull through!! 👍👍
Que hermoso documental.
0 likesI always LOVED Heel Hungrybox, that was a genius move. Frankly, people hating him was just fucking hilarious. It's a game for kids and he learned how to dominate everyone at it, no matter how much they practiced. And they hated him for it.
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please
1 likeNEVER refer to it as "a game for kids"
@Dankish_Gamer-669 melee was and will forever be, a game designed for children as the primary audience. This is why Nintendo refused to acknowledge any competition. Doubling down on that with Brawl, they made mechanics to create an even more kid friendly game.
51 likes@Dankish_Gamer-669 its a game for kids, but just own it.
18 likes@Dankish_Gamer-669 It is a game for kids, the thing is adults can enjoy a game designed for kids. Humans are complex enough that they can enjoy things designed for older and younger groups.
36 likes@Hostilehardware Dankish probably isn't a Smash elitist. He's probably warning you about the real elitists 0 _ 0
8 likesA game for kids? If I can remember correctly, Melee was rated T for Teen by the ESRB.
4 likes@Andrei Bucton you're totally right. Smash WiiU and latest addition are both E10+ though because E10 didn't exist yet.
6 likes@Andrei Bucton Still children in reality.
11 likes@Dankish_Gamer-669 your console is a toy. cope harder
1 like@ThatSimpleTime
0 likesI'm getting the impression you don't actually know how old I am?
15:40 the era of the 5 gods,
404 likesah yes the deity only known as DR.PEEPEE
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Or PPMD nowadays
9 likesIf only he'd came up with a better name than DR. PEEPEE to be referred to as in this video...
4 likesI died at the fifth god Dr. Peepee lmao
7 likesI met him in person once! Didn't even recognize him at first lol since he just said his name was Kevin. Super cool dude!
2 likesHe’s actually well known in the community for being super nice, knowledgeable and helpful. Not at all what you expect from someone called Dr. Peepee lmfao
1 like1:04:56 "In his time there were 4 others like him... now, there's just Juan."
305 likes...even dad jokes.. this movie has everything. 😂
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Not sure if that was a coincidence or not but props anyway
3 likesI didnt even catch that ha!
5 likesI thought he said one!
1 likeJoyers are cringe
0 likesNice
0 likes@Jimathy Nutron People who describe something as cringe are a whole lot worse.
0 likesI felt like he made the documentary just to include that joke.
0 likesBig commitment.
Critikal did it bigger than evo right?
0 likes“before, there were four gods... now, there’s just Juan”
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not to be that guy, but he said "there were four others like him. now there's just Juan"
30 likes@alec rutz you had to be that guy, huh?
11 likes@Ayyy doll fiddler! yeah
9 likesOof..
2 likes@alec rutz You that guy huh
1 like@Vatis The Bard I am indeed that guy
4 likes@alec rutz No way
2 likes@Vatis The Bard :)
3 likesLol, this line was a bit cringe. Mango was never lower than number six and these days he's arguably second best in the world and can beat almost anyone in the world other than hbox.
0 likesMore commonly these days people talk about the "old five" gods and the "new gods" like Zain and wizzy etc.
@TheStrangeBloke Cringe
1 likealec rutz but what if u aren’t that guy
0 likesI honestly expected to treat this as a recommendation to poke through and abandon, but what I discovered was a heartfelt story with a strong emotional ride with very good pacing, coherence and ability to keep you engaged, with all the side-threads being relevant.
48 likesYou are really good at telling stories in a compelling manner. I was a Fox main in Smash64, but the playground and with Smash64 is where my career ended, thank you for showing me the history of the game I always envied others for having.
And whilst I expected to root for Armada (Swe pride!) I sure took a strong liking to and felt as though Hungrybox really resonated with me. (Plus, Hungrybox is really handsome - not gonna lie) As well as ?CPU? of course, who faced unjust backlash for wanting to have fun, i’m sure.
Really good movie. I hope you also face great success in your future. I didn’t even skip forward for the entire movie, but I did backtrack more than once. If this is not a testament to quality in this attention deficit digital age, I do not know what is.
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Armada's story is cool as well, I would encourage you to look it up. He got a fair amount of hate as well at his prime, on account of being one of the very few great European smashers.
3 likesTheStrangeBloke Thank you for your response and your recommendation! I will be sure to do that. I was in competitive Pokémon for a while (among other things, inner crew of the founding of Smogon), and as a European, I remember the feeling of being an outsider and underdog in that sense, being made to represent a country or a continent.
1 likeEDIT: That said, I was hardly one of the, hm, very best. Recognised at the time, sure, but my immaturity at the time showed. :)
Been invested in Melee a few years now, I personally knew most of the info that was gonna play out in here, but you did an incredible job weaving it into an entertaining story and defense of Hbox. Judging from other comments though, this video looks to be shaping up to be another boon to Melee’s growth, you’ve clearly touched a lot of people both in and outside of the community.
92 likesI cant pay attention to a video for more than 2 minutes. How did i watch a hour and a half documentary on a video game I dont play. This was written like a masterpiece.
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Yo fellow Evan, I'm in the same boat! I struggle to watch anything, but I just fullscreened this entire thing and was invested the whole time.
6 likeswatch the smash doc, then ull be heavily invested in a game u dont play for 4 hours lol
13 likesJust wait til ya watch the smash brothers documentary and suddenly 9 hrs of your life disappears. I havent played melee in probably more than a decade, but I've watched the doc twice all the way through. So good
3 likesSo if you have a gamecube controller its easy to get into your locals and most people are stoked for newcomers
1 likeWait till you find the 4 hour super smash bro’s doc. You’ll own a hacked wii and a modded gamecube controller and doing weeklys within the month
1 likeThat's EmpLemon for ya. Do you care about wrestling or god forbid NASCAR? He will make you.
1 likeI'm a smash 4/ultimate baby. I've literally played melee once in my life. Still, this was really well done. Major props to Emo.
0 likesCoz it's Emplemon. This guy made me watch an hour long video of some nascar dude.
0 likesI forgot I haven't eaten dinner and now it's 1 in the morning...
0 likesshould probably increase your attention span
0 likes43:28: Brilliant use of the Richard III quote. Great summation of Hbox's progression, and a good reference to an established text. Your videos are aging like fine wine.
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Thanks for the heart. Been watching your videos since The Uncredibles. It's been something watching you grow.
5 likesWhat's the quote? I can't quite make it out.
0 likes“Therefore since I can’t prove a lover, I am determined to prove a villain” (Shakespeare, Richard III, act 1 scene 1)
2 likesSo much Fuck Nostalgia. 😭😭
0 likesHungrybox is an actual inspiration. A legend no doubt.
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He just lost G7 to Zain PepeLaugh
0 likesJust Some Guy without a Mustache oh hey it’s you again
0 likesThe one that still lives
0 likesOh hey, it’s you
0 likesThe ZeRo of melee
2 likesThe only thing holding him back is his campy playstyle. No one likes a camper, and that's what makes him such a controversial and very mixed figure.
0 likes@Shaman Xeed No one said it was...?
0 likesShaman Xeed yknow you could just not be that desperate for views right
0 likesNICE one on the Dale Earnhardt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 like"Hbox is melee in the most literal sense"
540 likesHoly Shit, that's true. The parallel really is uncanny.
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aww awe did you watch the video explaining why? That quote will then make so much more sense, it’s not referring to the gameplay😄
24 likesYeah that part was like the crazy plot twist in Nolan movies, dramatic music included. Liked & subscribed right after that haha
5 likes@aww awe No one said anything about that. Watch the video before you comment something. The whole point the video creator made is that people disregard Melee. And the Melee community disregards Hungrybox. They treat Hungrybox the same way everyone else treats Melee.
5 likes@aww awe not just any puff, it's hbox's puff
3 likesThe champ
1 likeJIGGLY PUFF ALWAYS META AT MY HOUSE BB
0 likesI have to get this off my chest. I've watched melee for years on and off and at first I wasn't too fond of Hbox. He played slow and methodical and it really halted the fast pace action of the game down.
482 likesAt first I was like the rest of the detractors and thought he just played campy to help get his wins, but then I actually stopped and thought about it. People complain about him being campy and playing boring because he forces the opponent to slow and play at his pace. He controls the tempo of the match. If you play all aggro and try to zerg him down, he'll punish your flubs and just get you more and more frustrated. He forces you to pay at HIS pace. When you see people actually play well against him, they tend to somewhat mimic his playstyle and it becomes a tense game where the first person to make the slightest hiccup gets punished hard. I get so anxious watching and it's really exciting to me.
The more I watched the more I started to like it. It's nice to watch a different style of melee gameplay when Hbox is part of the match. He was one of my favorite players even before Emp posted this amazing vid. (Mad props to you Emp. you've earned my sub.)
That's just my two cents. Keep on doing your thing Hbox. Haters gonna hate, but at least you have all the W's.
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Perfect analysis. And it's actually what made players like Ken and Mango so dominant. Controlling the pacing of the match, either by being amazingly aggressive while still technical like Mango, or properly spacing and punishing mistakes like Ken.. is what makes a great competitor.
30 likesAnd joenstly watching HBox got me into Puff. And while simple she is by no means some "free win" character people like Leffen seem to make it out. She wasn't considered top tier for so long for a reason and is still so rare in the top 50 for that same reason. It's hard to learn pacing and patience and HBox is a master of it.
Probably an analogy to a gift named "Patience".
4 likesI'll be honest that I'm not a big Jigglypuff guy but I want more other characters like Mario or Link. (Low tiers) to have a chance or maybe a tournament with just the low tiers for Melee. I think Fox and Bayonetta (Smash 4) makes things boring and homogeneous.
3 likesHonestly, even if a campy gameplay gets you the wins, it's not the fault of the player, but the fault of the game design. And if others don't want to adapt to the game, they have no reason to complain.
13 likesDer Typ so they should unban wobbling in your oppinion ?
1 likeyes adaptation shows true skill learning to counter powerful builds we literally just watched over a hour long vid showing it
1 likeHere's my opinion. He's the Floyd Mayweather of Melee. Everyone hates Mayweather because he fights technical. He's not flashy, he doesn't go all out for the KO or bust. What he will do, is fight within the rules of winning and tech you every time. People hate that, because they think his fighting is "boring". Newsflash, fighting for 36 minutes isn't easy and isn't fun. It takes a lot to be able to not only last that long physically, but also think the entire time and keep track of what you need to do to win by decision.
1 likeMoral of the story? Melee fans are as toxic as the memes say they are.
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Most Smash fans in general
97 likes@Caper Crusader yea they most are
7 likesFans of anything, period.
64 likes@Caper Crusader Yea lol. Melee community is nothing special in terms of toxicity. The entire smash community is just kinda garbo.
73 likesLook no further than the absolute saga of Jimathy Nutron in the replies of ESAMs comment on this video
22 likestragic really. In person players are really cool people as long as you dont talk about stuff like this very often.
5 likesEw a furry 🤮
5 likesAfter a solid year of playing the game, I can safely say that it isn’t much worse than any other gaming community. If your only exposure to it was this video and memes I could understand why you think that.
6 likes@ Ew a edgelord 🤮
16 likes@Leketeke Pinnacle of irony
6 likes@ you are not wrong, you are the pinnacle of irony.
12 likes@clvrbrob3 Thanks for letting me know that im unironically winning this argument
5 likes@ no problem mate, i suggest you should stop trolling. people will take their opinions to the extreme even if it means to harm others. don't want any harm to fall upon you, right mate?
15 likes@clvrbrob3 Not cap at all. Good job.
2 likesGranted I know very little about esports but in real sports defense is what wins not something akin to a “sick” rating or whatever lol…. People should just get over the fact being defensive is a legitimate plan
1 likeyou've been swept away by a narrative. this is a single person's opinion, not an objective summary of hbox's career
0 likes@Caper Crusader 64 fans: Old and probably don’t exist
1 likeMelee fans: Arrogant and entitled obsessives who look down upon everything else because it doesn’t fit their standards
Brawl fans: Either casuals or people that enjoy a better-than-Nintendo-average story. Also most people because the Wii.
Smash 4 fans: Feel underappreciated due to their game being better polished than Melee and Brawl yet stuck on a failed console.
Ultimate fans: Everyone else.
they dont smash because they play to much smash
0 likesWhat i the game called tho?
0 likes@Caper Crusader Most esports fans, TBH. I've never experienced a group of people with such a terrible sense of sportsmanship or maturity.
0 likes1:16:07 that big dude at the top left looks like Hungrybox
0 likesGo Puff!!!!
0 likesI went from not knowing there was a competitive melee scene to rooting for a guy named Hungrybox.
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Where've you been, man, we've been waiting for you. Check out ArchiveSaus's videos to get up to date with all the sick stuff that's happened in Melee these last couple of years. There's also the online (casual and ranked) melee scene via Smashladder if you want to check that out and actually play the game with people.
7 likeswatch the smash documentary that's how most of us got into it. That shit changed my life
1 like4th time watching this gem of a video
1 likeI love how a move called "rest" managed to be meta dominating
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"Sleep? What's so dangerous about it going to sleep?" -Snake who proceeds to get rested and dies at 30%
15 likesI mean, it dominated Gold and Silver
1 likebro when he talked about his dad saying he would never be the best that hit me
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This video was one that almost brought me to tears when I didn't expect it.
10 likes@Erwin S Watch the one on Dale Earnhart.
3 likesye dude it was a big moment also right after he snorted out some snot and it was the biggest meme in the smash community. good times...
0 likesBro same i was tearing up
0 likesYeah me too, but it would be my mom in this case, shit got me crying while still watching the video.
0 likessmash community be like "KRABE"
0 likesIt's a cooked crab not a raw crab. A raw crab would be blue.
0 likes1:20:33 Back to the crab.
1 like"Precision Beats Power, Timing Beats Speed"
172 likes- Conor McGregor
Also JigglyPuff
Angry Toto memes are good for a healthy internet.
0 likesHungrybox is my favorite melee player. I must say though, I think it's not stressed enough how much there actually is high risk in his play. At the end of the game, when he's got the up throw mix-up and presses down b, Hungrybox ends the game. Who he ends it for is entirely dependent on his skill, but that excruciating moment is completely his to hit, and there's nothing more exciting than the tension brought to the table by the omnipresent threat of rest.
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Mixup? You can react to the DI, it's guaranteed as long as your execution is alright and you're paying attention.
8 likesThis is a low level spectator opinion.
17 likesWell said
0 likes@Leelee When is your win not guaranteed as long as your execution is alright and you're paying attention?
1 likeHungrybox is a true legend. Back in the day every time one of the 5 gods lost a match it was like jesus had risen. Now all the pressure is on Hungrybox.
0 likes@Tom C. You're talking about the entire game, I'm talking about one specific interaction, there isn't really any equivalence here.
0 likesTo me, smash is a game that me my friends play whenever we hang out, some of my best friends were made from just striking off conversations on our mains or strategies. I had known of the hated toward Juan, but never understood why, and have never bothered to find out more about both sides. Obviously only watching this won't tell me everything about Juan but the insight given definitely sparked interest and sympathy.
155 likesCongrats on another excellent documentary Lemon.
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Well hey, come watch/play some competitive smash, literally any of the games in the series. Not all of us throw crabs.
5 likes>Throwing a crab
155 likes>Maryland
Of course, we're the crab state.
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Boomslang Yep, that’s how it goes down here.
6 likesDUDE.
1 likeBorn and raised...
Didn't even get the home until now 😅😅😅
The San Antonio spurs of gaming
0 likesSeriously, EmpLemon is like one of the old titans of youtube lore. You're like the embodiment of the "Wild West" energy Old Youtube used to have.
32 likesI salute you, sir.
Practically a movie
0 likesImagine taking a LIVE crab to a melee tournament just to throw it at someone. What an amazing human
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truely some 5d chess thinking lol
25 likes@AlinaGray88
9 likes6d chess
@Just A Taco D chess
6 likesIt was an already cooked crab
8 likeswhen in the video does this happen
3 likes@Skater_x7 right at the start
5 likesFound the guy who threw the crab lul
4 likes@Raymond Olson I thought the video said it was raw?
4 likesNah I bet they sold them at the venue. Lol that’s Maryland for ya
4 likesI mean obviously they aren't a good human but the action is obviously god tier
2 likesTime stamp?
1 likeIt's about two skips away from taking live ammunition to a tournament.
0 likesbro that's just Maryland there are crabs being thrown left and right here
1 likeI've Never Ever watched your videos before, but this one was in my recommended. And I must say, not only was the editing glorious but that ending had me in tears. I don't follow competitive smash, but this video made me care and want to learn more.
77 likesI'm sure that was your intention. You've done well.
Raw crab I don't think so you never would know unless you from Maryland or east cost we famous for blue crabs and after you cook them they will turn red If it was raw then it would be alive still
0 likesHbox is literally a living fucking legend
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A god amongst men
8 likesI think HBox could've been a successful man without ever playing melee, he has put in a lot of effort in other parts of his life. Sure, he'd not be in the melee community, but he would certainly be in another community that might be just as fulfilling in another way. So, in my opinion, he didn't need melee, although he totally belongs there today.
57 likesI think the reverse is not true, however: Melee needed and still needs HBox. Even if it wasn't his goal or intention, he was a crucial part of developing the meta of the game. He is a major threat as an opponent, and everybody needed to up their game in order to stay relevant as competitors. And since he plays a character few others play at this high of a level, he tests his opponents skills at a different level. The amount of effort put into trying to beat his puff has pushed fox and other character's gameplay to a significant degree and this might not have happened if he wasn't around.
I wonder if one day when EMP Lemon leaves YouTube if one of his fans will make a, "there will never ever be..." about him?.
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I get the feeling Emp's gonna ride this boat till it's underwater... which might not be very long lol
57 likes@Ygg Studio Nice seeing you in this neck of the woods.
12 likes@digibro d o w n w a r d s p i r a l
13 likesOh shit, didn't expect to see you here.
1 like@Ygg Studio aren't you the guy that had a breakdown about JoJo?
13 likesThere'll be dozens.
0 likesEmperor lemon-makes rise and fall and decay of mumkey Jones
0 likesSimian Jimmy-makes there will never ever be another YouTuber like emperor lime
no one:
0 likesme: 5:58 that saids never smash ever lol
It's almost that what's most damaging to Melee isn't a god tier player, but a loud, extremely toxic, corner of it's community.
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its*
3 likes@A3 There's two sides to this story, on one side, you are playing competitive, you are trying you're hardest to win, therefore you should be entitled to play as lame as you want. On the other side, if you are a top player, you're source of income as a full-time player is to promote the popularity of the game, whether you want to or not, if people stop caring about melee, you can't make a living off of it, which means that as unfair as it might be, it is your responsibility to make melee popular and make the scene keep going, melee is born and raised in fast paced combo game and crazy movements, that's what people want to see, that's why people are still watching to this day, because speed limits can still be pushed. However, if every top player plays lame, laser camps, ledge camps, times out, the scene would die slowly but surely, and as a top player, it is YOUR responsibility to prevent that from happening if you want to make a living off of it. That's why I think hate for Hbox as a competitor and player is stupid, however, hate for Hbox as a community representative, face, and leader, is somewhat justified because of his often controversial actions and his "lame" play style.
9 likesA3 nope... it’s “it’s”.
5 likesno it's its'
0 likes@marioking1117 you're kidding right? it's is an abbreviation of it is, whereas its is possessive
6 likes@Brendan Wang Literally described in the video how viewership is going up, and honestly, the sliding Fox looks boring and eh, the puff stuff I saw of a defensive character trying his best to find the crack in the onslaught of a fox was damn impressive and interesting, actually has me interested in watching the competitive scene...weird how not everyone who would make up a new viewerbase wants what only the old guard wants.
26 likes@UCzggl11OV84uzQrcU2X42kg To boil it down; if you hate the character, but not the player, then as shown in the video it is inconceivable that other people wouldn't become puff mains to win. It's a sport, some people will play underhandedly to win if they know it can carry them.
1 likeIf you hate HBox, but not the character, then I would ask where was any love for a person at the start in order to make it so he wasn't a pariah? Stuff like Pro-Wrestling loves having villains, and good villains make the show interesting to the fanbase (which I am not part of, didn't quite click), but when vitriol rains on a player, I can't say that any respect is owed in return if we can then turn around to see other actors not reaching that toxicity despite their foul actions.
Either HBox isn't a bad person and irrational hate is given to a character when it's obviously not killing the sport, or the character itself isn't bad and HBox is being held to an extreme others aren't.
@Brendan Wang Imagine being so entitled that you think a guy who can beat everyone at a game is now responsible for keeping that game popular.
20 likesA3 yes and in “it’s almost like...”, you read it as “it is almost like...”. There’s no possession. Lmao get rekt
0 likes@Dusty Stuff Well if the game dies he can't make money off of it anymore, so yes, it's kind of his responsibility to not let that happen. He's not the only one responsible, but he will suffer the consequences.
0 likes@Dusty Stuff It doesn't matter if he wants the responsibility or not, but if the game dies, he won't be able to make money off of it anymore. He will suffer the consequences of the game dying. And he/jigglypuff has make other players quit or want to quit or just play puff puff (i mean M2K has done it), so he is responsible for hurting the game, even if it's insignificant. Ultimately, if multiple top players and personalities quit, the game dies. If every top 8 becomes a puff puff matchup, the game dies.
0 likes@Brendan Wang Did you watch the video? He hardly makes any money from the game. He would probably have made a lot more if he didn't play the game at all and stuck with his job in engineering.
10 likesHe isn't a hype man. His job isn't to make matches fun. He's just a guy who consistently beats others at the game. If the community apes his style/character choice and makes the matches samey in the process, that's the communities problem.
@marioking1117 "center of it's community" should be possessive "its".
0 likesIt's almost like you were too lazy to get to the end of the sentence before jumping in to say get rekt.
@A3 Nice.
0 likesDusty oh I guarantee you he makes more money from winning tournaments, twitch, TL sponsorship, YouTube, and selling merch than he does in chemical engineering. He quit his job to go full time smash player, in the midst of people disliking him.
0 likesHe can make like what, 200k a year from a well paid chem engineering job?
He easily makes over that with all the things he gets paid in smash.
HELL MANGO NEVER BOTHERED TO GO TO COLLEGE AND BACK BEFORE SPONSORSHIP STREAMING AND YOUTUBE WAS A THING AND HE STILL WAS GETTING BY JUST FINE JUST BY WINNING. Bruh check your facts, the video is not always trustworthy mate.
@Brendan Wang yeah no. No competitive game in history fell out of fashion because top play was too boring. Tbh I enjoy matches without fox more because every fox match looks like a spam fest to a casual. Thems the breaks
0 likesWell in all honesty the smash community is probably worse than any gaming community to have ever existed so youre right
0 likes@J M it was originally meant as a joke, but some people actually don't know the difference
0 likesryan dirks so we’re just gonna forget about competitive brawl with meta knight stalls and ice climber 0 to deaths?
0 likesryan dirks EVO 2018 smash 4 grand Finals? Competitive brawl? You’re still saying those games are alive and well competitively?
0 likesryan dirks oh well I’m done with this argument I’ve made my point clearly no one here has been in the smash community for that long to experience it first handedly. You guys don’t know the first thing about melee and the community, so it’s like arguing against a brick wall.
0 likesMango: "You're meant to be dead!"
601 likesHungrybox: "My death was heavily exaggerated."
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You were expecting death,
9 likesbut it was me! HBox!
Plese stop commenting these things.
4 likesmagmoratr ifunny you’re edgy
1 like@SuddenQT ok i dont try it that these comments are annoying
0 likesi like your profile pic :D
6 likesJndlel Chan you watch hentai don't you
0 likesNiichi Gary ;)
0 likes@Jos Louis why?
0 likes@Niichi Gary I prefer doujins personally, I occasionally watch a bit of it here and there.
1 like@Jndlel Chan oh ok I don't really read doujins but I watch hentai once in a while
0 likes@Biohazard The term 'was' suggests you no-longer consider it a sin.
1 likeYou should use the correct term to apply here being 'is'.
@Biohazard
1 likeYour opinion contradicts mine and I see no end to our squabble so I shall engage a simple 'Let us both shut up so we can get on with our meaningless lives and think that we are better than the other'.
@Biohazard can you say that again I don't think I heard you😄
1 like@Biohazard don't you every say anything bad about anime
0 likesI don't care what you say to be but if you say anything to anime. I wish we can meet in real life 😁
@Jndlel Chan your really good at getting out of argument without loosing
0 likes@Niichi Gary i could join this or i could not
0 likes@jordan mcanoy you should probably not but have you watch mermaid melody yet :D
0 likes@Niichi Gary Ah that's where you are wrong,
0 likesHe thinks I have lost and I think he has lost, they cancel eachother out.
SO NO ONE WINS.
@Jndlel Chan I didn't say you won all I said was that you didn't loose
0 likes@Biohazard don't underestimate us weebs
1 like@Biohazard don't call me a normie because I am not.
0 likesI'm 12 btw, started watching anime when I was 6.
You just sound like any random teenager online saying 6 year old having a tantrum again. I hate when people do that you know like it nothing really special or new. You sound like a teenager girl that's saying what every the hell she wants
@Biohazard so what if I don't get a joke or not weeb Eliminator how is that a joke. It kinda like, wtf is a weeb Eliminator
0 likes@Biohazard your doing the same thing doe
0 likes@Biohazard I did even ask a question. Do you even know what are you saying
0 likes@Niichi Gary i mean,
0 likes@weeb eliminator clearly does understand,
he's obviously very powerful.
@Cassidy but he is no God I don't even belive in gods, if he was a weeb he going to be like
0 likes"SAO is so so so good top tier anime" sao sucks dood it way too overrated go watch some good iseakia konosuba is better then sao and it pretty good not a 10/10 but a good 8/10 or 9/10
@Niichi Gary konosuba fuckin rocks my man
0 likesbut
the joke is
he's a weeb eliminator
he eliminates weebs.
@Cassidy but he doesn't
0 likes@Biohazard I'm extremely intrigued by this one, what do you say, mr eliminator?
0 likes@Cassidy I say that i shouldn't have eaten a whole block of cheese help me
0 likes@Biohazard oh no
0 likesthe cheese touch is spreading
look out
@Biohazard how is that interrogating
0 likes@Biohazard oh sorry my mistake I did say a question but how is that answering my question and you didn't answer my question
0 likes@Biohazard you just said the same thing your half age remember you said I was 6 yea saying the same thing again but sound like a diffrent thing. Also are you even a weeb or even watch anime.
0 likes@Cassidy btw is that suppose to be a good thing or a bad thing about konosuba
0 likes@Biohazard you started it first just incase you forgot and answer my question
0 likes@Biohazard that did not answer my question also telling the other person to stop arguing is basically saying that I give up
0 likes@UCnPQBm7M8Yl7-ZXOllRlAbA look your trying to get out of the agreement before you even said this when you did not answer my question.
0 likesI will stop if you answer both of my questions if you don't I won't stop and if you say because I'm the weeb Eliminator or something like that is not approval
@Jos Louis
0 likeslife hack: if you're annoyed by the comments, don't check them.
There will Never Ever be another Emp Lemon. You my friend, are an artist.
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As someone who has been a fan of Emperor Lemon since 2014, I agree 100%
4 likesThis has to be one of the greatest documentaries I have ever seen in my entire life.
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Check Google’s Alpha Go documentary.
1 like@CJ As someone who has no idea about the community or its history, I'd like to hear you explain.
10 likes@CJ So!..... You ever gonna explain? Or just leave vague comments with zero backing? As the person claiming invalidity, it's your responsibility to bring sources, facts, & explanation.
5 likes@Michael Looks Yo what if I didn't get the Notification Nigga. Chill. But anyways Most of the Things he said near the end where outright wrong or persuaded. For Example he Says Melee was Thriving and Is more popular than Smash Ultimate but proceeds to pull out a Twitch Chart. Even though SSBU gets more Views, and has more participants at Tourneys. SSBU Literally broke the EVO Viewership Record in 2019. He also Brought up that Whole Hungrybox is Melee and actual Video Game. And at this Point the Melee community started to respect Hungrybox and his Main point is there was "utter comtempt" towards Hungrybox. Though he had tons of Supporters and Fans he failed to recognize them and Its very disappointing how Bias this Video Seems. My point is He Failed to realize any good points in Hungryboxs Favour and made some Unfair Comparison. Like How he Compared Hungryboxs Earnings to probably the Most Popular Esport Ever Made, Fortnite.
3 likes@Chai Jaric
4 likesI definitely put more attitude in my comment than I should have, that's my bad. Thank you for clarifying, I appreciate you actually coming back and giving the reasons for your take.
@Michael Looks Thank You for the Apology. I shall take my leave.
1 like@CJ hungrybox was and is the best melee smash player in the world, period. His story is very motivating and I can relate to him so much more than shitty mango or armada.
7 likes@CuriousPirate How is Armada Shitty. You barely know him. 2. You could never relate to HBox
2 likes@CJ he literally said “this documentary didn’t talk about me enough.”
4 likesAnd I absolutely can relate to HBox, I’ve met him, we both have college degrees and have worked/work full time jobs and I as a full time government employee have tried to play games in a competitive setting myself.
You have no idea what you are talking about, people don’t like HBox and people like me because we are the “working man” gamer, we have to work for everything that we get.
@CuriousPirate Then so could I. But you can't relate what he's had to go through. Getting constant Harrasment for the Character he plays and being in a community that actively roots against him. Getting things thrown at him and cursed out for doing something he loves. Your really annoying thinking something that dumb. 2. What does Hungrybox being spoiled and expecting more attention from the documentary have to do with anything.
0 likes@CJ you don’t know my daily work life and what I’ve put up with, me and him actually had a decent conversation one and one for a while, really nice guy. Even gave me a few jigglypuff tips, told me not to get discouraged for maining puff. And 2. He deserves all of the recognition, he is the one top players that doesn’t shit talk everyone and everything for no reason like leffen or armada.
3 likesDone responding to you now bud, I’m too busy and like I said before, I have a full time job and am busy, you aren’t going to change my mind or anyone else’s, HBox is the best and it’s great that his rise pisses you and most of the community off, he is an “Everyman” like me.
And it must really piss you off that he actually gave me some tips and told me anyone could make it to where he is with enough work. And b/w lol it’s a game man, I work a federal career, smash is a hobby. Calm down lol.
@CJ lmao
0 likes@Carlie 31 Makes Sense. A lot of Melee's Top Players had no Life so....
1 likeWhat's so bad about mang0?
1 like"You'll be good but you'll never be the best" Damn that really hurt
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Until he did end up becoming the best
27 likesGen X dads in a nutshell
17 likesAnd he's like "Oh yeah? Look at me break all the walls you can think of"
0 likesits weird advice because its both advice and discouragement. when you're at the top of what you do its the exact opposite of what you need to hear, to be complacent with your skill and that someone else is better then you always, but if you're closer to the bottom its a reminder to not set yourself so high that you forget to just be good at what you do.
0 likesEveryone: 2019 was the worst year in Melee history
708 likesMelee in 2019: DESTRUCTIOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!
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Who ever says 2019 was melee’s worst year needs to watch more melee
9 likesWe had the comeback of real mango
Hbox was out for a lot of it
We had new memes
New players won their first majors
Former low tiers were finally considered viable
We are even beating out ultimate viewers every once in a while
This has been a amazing year for melee
@Tay Mc I saw Mango reverse 3-0 Swedish Delight, then go on to win the entire thing against Axe... at my first ever live tournament (GOML 2019, Toronto). Shit was mind blowing, and ive watched sports my whole life, so i wasnt quite expecting that level of excitement over watching games. But to see true greatness and mastery on display, is very similar to watching someone like Lebron James play basketball (ive done that too).
4 likes@Monk Killedababy Physically going to tournaments can be a game changer on your outlook on competitive gaming, especially when you get matched against players who are so incredibly far ahead of you. About 5 years ago I got bodied by Leffen, I really can't describe how much he had my number. He went on to come second only to Mango.
1 likeNobody ever said that
4 likesWhat was that from?
0 likes1:06:20 - So the "Puff Doomsday Theory" or "20FF" as you call it, reminds me of something that actually happened in professional sports: the New Jersey Devils of the National Hockey League rose to prominence in the mid-1990s with a strategy known as the "neutral zone trap", where they would routinely clog up the middle of the rink with their 5 skaters, preventing opposing teams from entering their zone at all without either dumping the puck in and trying to chase it down, or just committing a turnover instead. In 1994 the Devils rode this strategy to a sudden appearance in the Eastern Conference Finals, the 3rd round of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, followed by winning the Stanley Cup itself the following year.
612 likesThe strategy's sheer effectiveness at shutting down opposing offences, at a time when league scoring had been at its all-time high (the 1992-93 NHL season had been the league's highest scoring of all time to that point), combined with its simplicity, ease of implementation and use of inexpensive, interchangeable "grinders" (defensive specialist players with limited scoring ability), led to exactly what Leffen was afraid of with Jigglypuff: widespread imitation. The very next season, 1995-96, the Florida Panthers, a team that did not exist just 4 years prior, rode the trap all the way to the Stanley Cup Finals before losing to the Colorado Avalanche (itself a franchise that just a year prior called itself the Quebec Nordiques before relocation), and from there every NHL team utilized the trap in some form; by the time the NHL finally instituted rules to nerf the trap in 2005, scoring had plummeted league-wide (from 7.25 goals per game in 1992-93 to 5.1 in 2003-04, the final season of the "dead-puck era" as the period is now called) and TV ratings had fallen sharply as well (not helped by a bad TV deal with ESPN and a pair of poorly-timed labor disputes). Since then things have improved, scoring has mostly stayed higher since 2005 but especially since further rule changes in 2017.
My point with this unintentional essay is, 20FF actually happened in the NHL in the 1990s. This is what the "Puff Doomsday Theory" looks like in reality, not whatever Leffen and others think/thought was happening in the Melee scene. One unpopular player does not a ravaged competitive scene make; the entire scene would have had to copy said player for that to happen.
I have to also imagine that Hbox's other critics, the ones who say his reign is "hemorrhaging viewers" failed to keep one important thing in mind; a lesson that Hungrybox seemingly did learn at some point; the same lesson a young Muhammad Ali learned in ~1961 from a chance meeting with Gorgeous George, one of professional wrestling's earliest heels, who told him:
"A lot of people will pay to see someone shut your mouth. So keep on bragging, keep on sassing and always be outrageous."
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NHL nearly got another trap scare with the Lightning's 1-3-1 strategy, but thankfully utilizing good breakout passes or a strong dump-and-chase forecheck neutralizes it.
17 likesaight im not reading that . cool story
7 likes@RekkingAura Just slow down, bud. Take your time and sound out the words. You can do it. Believe in yourself! I do!
54 likesYou mean the Rancocas Devils?
0 likes@ShawnMC nah i meant im not finna read
1 likethat too long lol
@RekkingAura too long to read, proceeds to comment twice
25 likes@EmperorJames16 yes
4 likes@RekkingAura that took me 1 minute to read. Step 1. Find some really long series with at least 2k chapters in them. Then move on to advanced crime books with 2000 plus chapters and read 200 chapters a day until a year is passed. Then read this article and ull finish reading in no time.
16 likes@Noah Kettunen nah
1 like@RekkingAura
7 likesYou really missed out on an interesting read, and I ain't even into hockey whatsoever.
Not only that but one of the only reasons why the Panthers lost is because Patrick fucking Roy was in net for the Avs lol
2 likesThey also made a number of changes during those periods of time that had a big impact. Like goalie pads.
0 likesthat was a good read
2 likes@RekkingAura I get where you're coming for dude, so here's your TL;DR
5 likes> "Jigglypuff doomsday" where the most optimal strategy in a competitive scene is a boring stalling strat, that's also easy to implement has actually happened IRL in hockey
> This strategy, from the day it was first implemented in 1995 up until 2005 when it was banned, reduced average goals in each game from ~7 to ~4, massively decreasing viewership.
> The sport has then since rebounded somewhat after the ban of this strategy.
the expression tl;dr came up for a reason. It's good to be through when telling a story, but please learn to freaking write.
"If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter"
@Nmmes Wey aight this comment much better lol
0 likes@Nmmes Wey thanks
1 like@Nmmes Wey If the "learn to freaking write" comment is aimed at the OP then all I'd say is read the many other comments praising his self proclaimed "mini essay". There weren't any major flaws with it and it's a relatively intriguing quick read about something you likely weren't aware of. Just because there wasn't a tldr doesn't make him a bad writer. Now if this wasn't at all aimed at him then simply take this as yet another tally to the support and praise for this guy's interesting fact. And perhaps I could make a snarky remark regarding your writing? ;)
2 likesGreat comment
0 likesI just want to say, Leffen didn't think it /was/ happening, just that it was an eventuality. We won't know till said eventuality happens. Or doesn't.
0 likesIm pretty sure the 70s Canadiens ran something similar to what the Devils did. After all their coaching staff was primarily ex 70s Habs.
0 likes@Gerudo King Analysis most likely that leffen is salty he isn't making buck loads of cash & fame at speedrunning pace.
2 likesWaiting for the Leffen tweet about this vid
79 likesAnd Mang0 to react, drinking and laughing
And Armada to break it down in a 3 hour analysis
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LUL very accurate
3 likes4 hours analysis
3 likesBumping this comment!
1 likeCan't wait for Mang0's streams when he reacts to it.
1 likeI was never that into Melee and there was a few reasons for that. A lot of community gave off this very elitist attitude towards any Smash game that wasn't theirs which as a teenager who was having fun playing high school Smash 4 tournaments just came off as really shitty. Another reason was that I hated how dominant Fox was and how that was celebrated. It's annoying when a particular character completely overwhelms the meta of a fighting game. That's why I always liked Hungrybox. In a game dominated by people who switched to Fox because he was top tier HB was dedicated to an unorthodox character which made him stand out. So many people showered Mango with love, but whenever I watched Evo I rooted for HB to break the Fox meta and when he finally won with that incredible comeback it was one of the most incredible things I've seen in competitive gaming.
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While yes the fox meta is very dominant.
4 likesMarth,sheik, falco,falcon all can win a supermajor and at the pro level with these characters it’s more about whose the better player than character matchups
So I hope you give melee a shot once more and I’m sure you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how good and fun the other characters are
Literally the only solo fox main to ever be number 1 was leffen, and it was only for a single summer. Fox has never been the meta, he's just the most popular character. Don't talk about stuff you don't know about as if you do
5 likes@ahmost 22 yeah right
0 likes@rightbackich ??????? Literally look it up
4 likes@ahmost 22 yeah yeah
0 likes@rightbackich yeah I'm right I know
4 likesFox has never dominated the meta. Only outsiders think that
4 likes@ahmost 22 found the melee community member
0 likes@CharleTheMagne yeah?
0 likesI'm glad how after the Smash community practically desintegrated Hungrybox is still here. It speaks volumes about a person who, despite an abusive upbringing and general rejection from audiences and fellow players, never stooped down to such a low level, as opposed to all the other chucklefucks who barely struggled and took a deep dark dive (looking at Cinniepie).
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the melee community didnt really lose many people
6 likesThe community is still here, you know. The vocal minority is heavily criticized, and most players are actually cool people.
3 likesThis didn’t age well
3 likesTrevor why
4 likes1:10:55 "it doesnt matter where hungrybox goes today, nobody cheers him. He can never be applauded for his achievements."
348 likesAlways gets to me...
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NOT IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT. COME ON, BOYS, WE GOT WORK TO DO!
9 likes@JakeFromStateFarm indeed. Right there with ya
1 likeThis was an absolutely FASCINATING look into a world I knew existed, but didn't know anything about. Thank you for making this, and keep up the good work!
192 likesthis man took a raw crab to an esports event. he was going out there throwing it no matter who won
47 likes1:21:15 sent me to tears. I’ve been really struggling recently, constantly feeling like I want to give up so hearing this broke me in a matter of seconds. This video is genuinely amazing has always been, thank you for making it and thank you to HungryBox for being such an incredible and inspiring person.
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Right? I never came in contact with competitive Smash before, but after watching this video and seeing this man who has persevered for years, had so many hardships and finally got what he wanted, it's so inspiring. Brought me to tears too.
1 likeThat part when he wins a tournament, turns around and people are LEAVING, what he must have felt then... I don't know, so unfair. He got hate all this time and kept going, those words he said at the end meant a lot.
I remember playing melee with my brother all day sometimes. Ending up in fights or having mini tournaments with our family and friends. Literally some of the best times we ever had.
8 likesI cant believe i watched this whole thing. I have never been interested in anything like this. Well done.
5 likesThis video is INSANE. I can't even explain the feeling of being slapped in the face near the end of the video because before this I was a "Smash isn't a real fighting game" person, the way this video is scripted, narrated and edited is awesome and it makes the conclusion so satisfying, anyways, thank you for such a high quality gaming documentary
2 likesdude ive spent almost 0 minutes watching competitive smash but this vid hooked me, what a great story! even if Hungrybox never became the best i'd have massive respect for his character and fortitude, he seems like a genuinely good person. imo his haters don't understand the true spirit of competition.
1 likeThis is a full on documentary, well written, and for someone who has never played melee but has been playing since brawl, I would like to say that I respect this guy and his story no matter what flaws he may come to have, as he is just like any of us, a human, and in his words, someone meant to persevere
1 likeAmazing video essay, inspiring story... I have no words for how fantastic everything in this video is
2 likes@Hungrybox you're an amazing competitor, player and from what I've seen, an amazing person as well. Keep it up, champ, and thanks for teaching everyone here to push on through the challenges! Also, excellent video, Emp!
1 likeman, hungrybox is a true champ. Crunch deserves some huge props too. being there for someone who is so lost and hurt takes a special kind of individual.
1 likewow, just wow! I am an avid video games myself, an although I have never had an interest for Super Smash Bros Melee, in these whole 1 hour and 24 minutes you kept me engaged every minute, this was super fun to watch, big kudos to you for this documentary and for redeeming Hungrybox's reputation for posterity, I would say this here 6,400,000 views definitely does it for him!
0 likesMan you are a living legend, despite the community like it or not, you are the driver that pushed melee to what it is now, so thank you 🥰
1 likeI don't even care about competitive gaming and yet I couldn't stop watching. Your film-making skills are insane.
2 likesI know nothing about Smash Melee. But after watching this video, the only thing I can say is, mad respect for that guy. Also, really well made documentry. You earned a subscriber, my friend.
1 likeI come from an another game community, but I gotta say I'm totally inspired and brighten up with this guy's story. It's not just about gaming but in life and stuff as I'm in my hard times in studies and work.
0 likesThank you Emp for making this video and thank you HBox for not giving up through the years to inspire many with your story.
Hbox is amazing, but let's not forget the role Mango played in bringing Puff into the meta.
3 likesthis is so well made, well edited, goddamn amazing
0 likesAmazing video. Even if I don't follow Melee at all, I was sucked into this amazing story. Great storytelling
0 likesWow, I'm glad I came across this video. It was a journey for sure! I just can't imagine how it would feel all that resistance and even when reaching the top, all that hostility and lack of respect and appreciation... But hooooly cow, that technical play and with Jigglypuff as the only main. Not only does the opponent know that they can always rely on you to use that character with all the weaknesses that brings, but you still smash them regardless of that. Also, as Emp stated in the video, look around, where are the other world top Jigglypuffs mains? Hungrybox is a legend!
0 likesAmazing job with this HungryBox doc. I didn’t realize smash is still so popular. Loved that game and it was the last one in the series I played. Thanks for the vid!
0 likesHungrybox changed the game. And instead of learning it, other Melee players chose to complain about it.
2 likesIf you can't beat his playstyle you aren't the best. It's as simple as that.
I thank god I was born in time when such amazing videos are able to watch this or 9 hours oblivion recap ... Jesus thank you mr EmpLemon I cant wait to check rest of the content on your channel :D
0 likesI find your inner strength truely inspiring. Keep it up man, you really deserve the title "god", after everything you went through
0 likesas someone that doesnt even play this game or knows anything about it, i just gotta say GODDAMN that was crazy inspiring and such a well told story....
0 likesI am not even into melee but god damn this is an incredible story of self preservance
1 likeSmash has always been near and dear to me, the N64 version will always be best in my book...Link was my go to, if he just had a better recovery lol. Everyone freaking thought they were the shit playing Kirby, Pika, Fox...Jiggly was the character I'd break-out for very specific "so you have chosen death" moments lol
1 likeI know my voice is insignificant, but on the off chance you might stumble upon this comment, I still want to say thank you so much for making this documentary.
2 likesAs a son who has also had to bury a father before the sons success came to fruition, I deeply sympathize with the pain hungrybox must have felt after every defeat. I deeply sympathize with the inability to show proof of success to the dead, which will forever make that success a little hollow. It saddens my heart that he has born the label of Pariah for any length of time, and that not enough people will watch this to lessen that terrible burden.
Hungrybox is a great smash player, and a good man, and this documentary does a great job of demonstrating that. Thank you so much.
As always...
134 likesSociety creates their own villains.
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Society IS the villain.
12 likesdo you also believe we live in a society?
10 likesyoruichixX does the society live in us?
5 likesyous guys are my people.
4 likesKier I feel the same way tbh
0 likesYour right.
0 likesI have never play this game, but I love e-sports, great story, keep it up HBox! You an awesome human being!
0 likeshow can you hate a guy whos dedicated to being the best in a game he loves. and then proceed to hate him even more when he achieves his goal, the audacity of some people man
2 likesI thought Hungry box had a shellfish allergy or something. Like this was some poorly executed attempt at murder. But no...dude just had a crab in his pocket and decided to throw it!
4 likesYeah, we just watched this. And yeah, we think this is the best fighting game there is, nothing like watching a Melee fight, no other fighting game offers the spectator the feeling of being there like a Melee match.
1 likeToo bad Sakurai and Nintendo just hate the Melee comunity.
In your “Frying Comments” video the comment you were looking at says “Why are we stuck with you” and we’ll I feel like that could describe how the melee community views hungry box
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There is a strong parallel between Hungrybox and Emplemon.
5 likes@Oda Swifteye Because they all faced the downward spiral and rode with it.
3 likes59:27 Knowing that man's story, I felt like crying too.
80 likesI've watched this 3 times over the last year. I had never watched melee, played melee, heard of Hbox... or wasted so much time watching smash videos 😂
77 likesThis is the highest quality video on yt, so happy it came back to my recommended
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Lol
0 likesMad respect to Hungrybox. He trained hard and he made it. His story would make an interesting anime.
0 likesThat crab was steamed. It was red. If it was raw it would be blue. Source: Marylander and former crab steamer
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Hey free food.
4 likes"you worked hard dude eat this crab"
9 likesoh so it wasn't a treat
0 likeswhy the hell did this dude even have a crab on him at the time
1 like@s b He was in Maryland. Everyone has crabs on them. Source: Marylander
6 likesI'd pay to see this at the cinema. Fucking amazing video, dude.
0 likesI don't know how I got here. I don't even know why I watched the entire thing. but I know you did a great fucking job with it, it kept me hooked to the end. this is such an amazing documentary in every aspect
2 likes49:38 The guy on the background yelling "I LOVE YO-" back
41 likesTheres nothing i can say that you havnt said better in this video.
0 likesso thank you, thank you for doing justice to a man and a game that deserves it.
Jesus, I love how all of the Vs panels all came back together to define melee and HBox for what it is, bravo
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This and the Raw one IMO used panels like that so well the way these panels all ended up being reused at the end as a vs into an is was an amazing moment of tieing everything back together jut like how in the Raw one the video was strung together with the reoccuring "In order to be loved:"
4 likesI think this is a testiment to Emp being really good in the realm of editing...not suprising when you think about it when His old content was YTP which is a format defined by re editing and re contextualizing things
22:56
69 likesYou're completely wrong. Jigglypuff was the most popular pokemon in Japan at the time, so it made perfect sense to include her. She's not popular anymore, but she was at the time.
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The key word in Emp's sentence is "arguably".
11 likes@A K Obv you do if you responded to it lmfao
5 likesWasn't her or clefairy supposed to be the original mascot for pokemon? Also I know alot of people who liked puff, because of her anime appearances, which were hilarious.
1 likeBolek Lolek no one cares
0 likes@Bolek Lolek Yeah it was originally supposed to be Clefairy, which is why Red has one in the Manga
1 likeJoseph Hanicak no one cares
0 likes@I’M TOXIC enjoy life to the fullest and stop being toxic, like ya name, and stop criticizing people on social media to make yourself feel better, I know you’re a good person.
0 likes@zipjaccet no.
0 likesThought I'd glance at a video, hour and a half later I'm more invested then I ever thought possible.
2 likesi feel like ive been blind all this time to how good hbox is/was, great video
0 likesFor the longest time Hbox hasn’t gotten the respect he deserves, and I’m worried he never will
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I respect him
2 likesfunny enough, HBox gets more respect from non-melee players than he does from the melee community. Its sad how people outside melee can recognize the hard work of their best player better than the melee community itself can.
43 likes@Eragon7 legit it's because people hate watching top 8 filled with circle camping and runaway play :/ not fun to watch, but it takes a lot of mental training to just deal with as a player. A lot of people recognize the work put in but don't recognize it as talent because it's boring and not something spectators like to see. Same reason why Wizzy is seen as lame. It's sad but some characters are just seen as lame, and when their strengths slow the game down it gets boring. Especially if that's how winning is optimal with that character.
7 likesPlup is also pretty bad about talking as if he has no skill despite the fact that he beats Plup all the time and anytime he tries to Puff Ditto Hungrybox he ends up looking like an idiot
0 likesRemember when a girl got harassed for beating some competitive bro with Isabelle? Maybe hardcore Smash fans are just trash people I guess. And not just because of their hygiene.
3 likes@Seran Fael sure, its boring to a lot of people yea, but that doesnt mean that HBox ISNT good. A lot of people flat out think he just isnt even good at this game and is super carried when that's not at all true. HBox may be boring to watch, but he's still a very very skilled player. But the majority of the melee fanbase refuses at least acknowledge his skill. Some do, but most do not, and just think he is carried.
5 likesSeran Fael that doesn’t mean he’s bad at the game
0 likes@Eragon7 o fuk, I didn't mean to seem like I don't think he's good, he wouldn't be at the number one spot if he was only carried. And if puff is broken why aren't there other puffs? Puff isn't broken. She dies hella early. Juan has put in the hours and goes to so many tournaments. I respect the fuck out of him, he worked hard and earned first. Didn't mean to seem like I was hating.
3 likes58:17 l kinda expected a "you're probably wondering how I ended up here."
28 likesimo everyone in the smash community needs to watch this video. this was wonderful
19 likesnobody:
7 likesyoutube: " wanna learn about someone who plays this game you've never touched really well?"
me: "sure, why not"
This is so fucking epic I cannot even.....I always heard about the Smashbros scene often spoken of in whispers and rhymes but this....this video changed my life. I feel like I missed out on something while being stoned and playing WoW. Excellent video.
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So I made this comment about the halfway point when Hbox beat Armada finally. Now having finished the whole thing I'm practically in tears. I felt that shit hard. Fuckkkkk
Great story telling. I know very little about smash and competitive smash but I really enjoyed it.
0 likesI really thought he was over-reacting about the crab thing at first. But by the end I was like, "fuck that guy who threw the crab. You tell em Hbox"
This youtube amateur documentary is chronologically precise and descriptively pristine. I expected to skip through a video that was way too long but instead found myself captivated and completely immersed. A surprising masterpiece. Bravo to this video's creator(s).
1 likeAt most tournaments that I have seen on youtube whenever a winner is decided the commentators and sometimes everyone else doesn't say anything or jump or cheer but during a cool combo or a regular set everyone is energetic
0 likesOut of all the Gods, I always pray to Hungrybox.
0 likesAmazing video, wow. Hungrybox is truly awesome.
0 likesthis was super awsome and as a newbie, probably the best introduction to the game i could ever have
14 likesThat clutch Rest kill game 5 is probably the most iconic Melee moment. Still an unbelievable set to this day
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Ledayha WAHHHHH
0 likesIm so glad I found this video. I used to play a lot of smash ultimate with my friends and I was really into it and its community. Watching this video now gives me so much more of an understanding of melee as a game, community, and its competitive scene. And above all, I MASSIVELLY respect Hungrybox. If you ever see this Hungrybox, just know, you are amazing. Inside and outside of competitive melee. And Im rooting for you, stay strong. :)
5 likesGod damn I have a new hero now.... that man deserves way more than he gets
39 likesThe 5 Gods was either consciously or unconsciously taken from the 5 Gods of 2D fighters, originally a Japanese meme about 5 strong 2D fighter players: Daigo, Tokido, Nuki, Sako, Haitani.
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I guarantee it was done consciously
2 likesSeriously this is amazing, I’ve only heard of hbox and never knew too much to say anything about him, but he really did deserve his title didn’t he?
12 likesAs someone who has no clue about Melee this was an awsome glimpse into it :) Thanks
0 likesJust goes to show no matter how impressive and innovative your accomplishments if it contradicts what people want to think is true, then the people will refuse to acknowledge your accomplishments.
1 likeI never even heard of this game but watched the whole video and now I'm a big fan of HBox and Meele man
0 likesAm I the only one who thinks fox is boring cos he is so commonly played?
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Yeah
12 likesA lotta the time you get sick of seeing the same character
And the fact that cuz 1 dude decided
"Hey, I think i'll try something different"
Means that the entire community is just going to bash on him for no god-damn reason
Just dosen't make sense
Nope most of the good foxes play quite different and the top 10 players have a very diverse variety of characters
3 likes@Another Random Kid Its not just the fact puff isn't fox. Like emp said she's boring to watch and embodies the opposites of melee. That in addition to being the best player with that character, breed contempt for him.
1 like@Another Random Kid lmao no one bashes axe and amsa, they just hate hbox's playstyle.
1 like@Fet Kreb Like i said before
0 likesThats still bullsh*t
@Another Random Kid i mean, axe and amsa plays yoshi and pika and got like top 10 in power rankings and have done very well yet no one hates them for it. But all in all yea its pretty bs
2 likesFun fact: people in Maryland are legally required to have one blue crab and a can of old bay on them at all times! :)
2 likesThe writing on this is incredible
0 likeswow there is such a fine line as too being good at this game and just being fucking cracked at it dang even really really good players are complete shit compared to the best
10 likesAbsolutely beautiful, easily one of the best videos on YouTube💯
1 like#FeelMyLongRange🐏💨🌪🌬🍃
Double elimination Grand Finals is interesting. Because you have 6 games to win, but also 6 games for your opponent to carry tremendous momentum that can knock you off your feet before you realize why you're losing. Wizzrobe, Armada, and others often take a small break between matches to meditate.
10 likesas someone who wathed your ytps as a kid its great to see how your content evolves year after year and this is one of if not youre greatest video you portrayed melee beautifully and i love it
11 likesI never truly understood until now just who hungrybox was. Now that I have watched this, I can truly appreciate just what hungybox was and is to the smash community. It is sad that so many humans collectively act in such a way just because they can't accept another's superiority over their own inferiority.
1 likeIm starting to think this creator is just normal and doesn’t have bias like the rest of the community
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Emp is a lot more than just a Smashtuber. He's sort of a YouTube "connoisseur" when it comes down to it. He consistently makes very good content that goes deep into how things work, with screenshots included of his findings. It's gotten to the point where even 4chan themselves respect the hell out of the guy. He's basically the last bastion of original content on this site.
9 likes@Taka YT "last bastion of original content on this site," I wouldn't say that, but he is very much superior to 90% of the shit out there on youtube.
5 likes@Taka YT 4chan likes emp? Holy crap
2 likesEver since I was a kid, I have been inspired by how hungrybox could play melee.
9 likes"there will Never Ever be another Late Night TV Host like Craig Ferguson" Could really be interesting due to his style and how different it was to other hosts of the time and draw comparisons to the current over saturation of the genre and the decline of late night television and TV as a whole. I would love to see it!!! I urge people who haven't heard of him to look him up and watch some of his episodes. A true gem of television and one of the last greats IMO.
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Will do
0 likesThis is hilarious: they are playing SM, where if players choose the same character, some detail will be slightly different in one of the characters, so you can tell them appart. Hungrybox looks a lot like Mango, but in order to be able to tell them appart, Mango was given longer hair in general.
0 likesThink I will show this to my students as a life lesson.. thank you @EmpLemon
0 likesPour one out for HungryBox. You're a legend, man. Don't let the hate get to you.
0 likesI love how these videos make me pay attention to topics I otherwise have no interest in
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@Mister Metokur nice to see you too, fake jim.
4 likes@EZ PZ this is one of jessie's
0 likessock accounts
@andreiiik savvv which jessie? I know a lot of creepy jessies
0 likesWait a second, EMP LEMON made this video??? Dude you're an actual freaking legend🔥🔥🔥
0 likesThis video was an eye-opener, not just about the man, but the game. Changed my mind about melee a bit. I should apologise to melee fans.
1 likeStill going to make fun of you guys' hygiene though.
Yes Youtube, I finally watched this.
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lmao ikr i had this in my watch later for almost a year it feels like now and finally got around to it today. very inspiring video glad i watched it now despite knowing nothing about melee and being a casual smash fan. i respect hungrybox now not even knowing him for overcoming all odds. this was great. far better than most netflix documentaries
2 likes@Z- HAHAHA!
2 likesIt's funny, in an ironic way of sorts, how all the pieces came together in this video -- 'like I was reading a book that was well-crafted without dropping anything out in the process.
7 likesThe 80 minutes were, indeed, well worth it; my only regret being not having watched it as early as YouTube recommended me to.
As for my thoughts on the subject, I will agree that stylish performances are stupid strong in adrenaline for everyone involved -- provided there's a high enough impact behind it, that is -- but there is most certainly a high level of beauty and gracefulness that can only be attained in a more down-to-earth and methodical gameplay.
Whether Hungrybox fulfills that latter part or not is unfortunately not for me to decide, as fighting games are one of the many things I've come to accept as being way out of my league, and thus my interest in Smash even as a viewer is as dim as "Little Mac/Incineroar vs the World", but I have seen enough, both here and elsewhere, to say that there's at least a case to be made in favor of him.
As for the man himself, just know that there are people out there who like outside drama as little as those who unfortunately get to take the brunt of it, and to quote a certain old man: "I guess one person can make a difference... Enough said."
12:45
0 likesI picture just some random dude in the crowd just walking on stage then thrashing the best player in the world and leaving not knowing what he had done.
Also it's super fucked up that you can give so much and win to have a whole crowd just disrespect you like that. I think he defiantly fed off that sentiment.
Great work on this vid EmpLemon, you earned this sub and like for sure. I can tell a great deal of work went into this, very moving stuff where one might not expect..
“Melee was a smash hit”
7 likesI see what you did there.
honestly really bummed me out watching mango's expression anytime he lost a stock. dude has an emotive face.
0 likesalso
>in standard fighting games
>shows shaqfu
Holy Crap, that was Fantastic! Thank you!
0 likes1:04:33 lol funny watching now… 1 year later and Mango is completely dominating 2021 and is tied for rank#1.
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And 1:29:28 … damn
0 likesmang0 redemption arc is best timeline
1 likeYou did a great job humanizing someone so hated.
6 likesI cannot believe I just sat through a one hour video at midnight and didn't get bored at all. Truly a magnificent story; brilliant characters told by a brilliant storyteller.
6 likesHungrybox is the freaking shield hero. Catches shit when he's the real MVP.
0 likesAs much as I love ultimate, I always feel a sense of awe and wonder watching melee. I gained more respect for HBox after this, never knew the guy had to deal with so much shit.
6 likesi watched that entire video and im like
5 likes"what does "hungrybox " mean anymore"
yes, theres already another melee player like hungrybox, if not hbox times 100.
3 likesits frickin wizzrobe.
literally watch ANY match he plays, that man is MR ESPORTS.
he plays to WIN, no matter how badly he might be losing he will ALWAYS make it ridiculously hard for the opponent to win.
sound familiar yet?
he will LITERALLY camp the top platform whenever he needs to COMPLETELY unapologetically.
he is one of the fiercest competitors ive ever seen in esports LET ALONE melee, and outdoes everything hbox does times 10 at LEAST.
you cannot convince me otherwise.
6minutes in this vid imo even before hungrybox started winning Puff was labeled as sort of a gimmick character, because of the rest being so good that you could sorta 'cheese' people like with the Icey's. but it wasn't classefied ás OP like the wobble was, just when hungrybox got close to winning that arguement arose again. truth be told, at that moment i was silently on the side of the hate seeing it as a gimmick. but just watching him through the years, beating his demons rising to the top i just cant understand how you could hate the guy. its not like he just picked up the game, he spend more than a decade perfecting his character. same way you could hate a cpt. falcon main who mastered the falcon-punch or a luigi main who has sniper precision, but that would never happen so why hate a Jiggly? you know whats comming
5 likesAwesome inspiring video!
0 likesNow I know how nice the Street Fighters community really are
0 likesNow I know how nice the Street Fighters community really are
0 likesI'm a casual player, and Melee was the BEST in terms of fluidity of abilities and movement in this entire series. All of the others ruined it to me and are way too slow. I don't feel like I'm playing the game I fell in love with, but like a B-rated version of it.
0 likesto this day I'm still wondering why someone was eating crab legs during a melee tournament
0 likesHere's a suggestion: there will Never Ever be another Minecraft server like 2b2t. There is sooooo much history to that server you could make dozens of videos on it and not even scratch the surface. Given how niche and interesting the core 2b2t playerbase is, the people who find what has been called the worst Minecraft server and a representation of the worst of humanity fun, I reckon it'd be up your alley.
8 likeswhat a film masterpiece, shoulda went to theaters
0 likesY'all don't know, Kirby is the best character in this game.
0 likesPeople hating the dominant top dog is a phenomenon in other games, too. Some people want to see them fail in every capacity, both in the game and in life. It's a strange psychological thing that I don't quite understand. It happens in other areas of life, too. Some people feel such strong jealousy for successful people that it turns into contempt and even hatred, for no reason other than the visible success of the person. And if the success of one person outmatches everyone elses, then all of that negativity focuses on them alone rather than spreading out over several people.
10 likesi dont really play any video games but i am fully invested in this
1 like9:25 "melee was a smash hit..." I see what you did there
0 likesI don't even play Melee or any smash game, I don't even know why I clicked on this video YouTube recommended me just because I play video games. But I was hooked, and the entire structure of storytelling was just so well made. From providing just enough context for people like me, to the rise and fall of the four Gods, ot the eventual flips of "vs" to "is", to the range of emotions this video brings me through. It makes me envious as a person who aspires to be a storyteller, keep up the good work!
1 likePS. To HungryBox: I didn't know of your existence until like an hour ago, and you probably won't stumble upon this comment, but I just wanna say, you're an absolute madlad for going through all that and managed to be on the top, and I wish I could have at least 25% of your resolution and perseverance.
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you mean five gods right?
0 likes@Ice God nah I meant four gods as in five gods except hungrybox since technically hungrybox has not fallen yet
1 likeThat so funny that culturally we associate a game to be "serious" as long as you are killing/being killed
0 likesThis video is amazing. Hbox is melee.
0 likesNice video man. Keep it up
0 likesDamn seeing that one small part of team fabulous 2 hit me
0 likes58:16 Really nice editing here!
0 likesThis video is a masterpiece
0 likesNintendo from what I understand by proxy was part of gambling in Japan by making Hanafuda playing cards. I'd guess in some moral stance gambling is not something they want to relate to as they tend to be more conservative with releases of games. I may be wrong but this is pertaining to the segment about Nintendo not doing prize pool cash prizes for SSB.
0 likesThis video shows how an entire community, a massive group of people can be super-wrong. It's insane, all you need is to spread the fake news, do it loud enough and people will believe it.
0 likesI can't see jiggly puff without remembering one of my friends from college who used to main her and mudstomp people in the dorms
0 likesLife has many intervals. The highs and the lows. I hbox's story it seemed like there were only lows. Until he got his crap together and pulled through. Like a real clutch gamer. He has will. And damn does it shine here.
3 likesWhat a fucking legend
0 likesList of things I didn't think I'd do today... Watch an entire 90 min doc about competitive smash.
0 likesGreat storytelling i dont even play this game haha
0 likesI clap for you hungrybox. Not everyone can stand against the haters. The haters tell you that you re the best.
0 likesWhat the hell. What an amazing video. Thanks algorithm! Subbed.
1 likeThey need to make a movie out of this guy
0 likesAmazing Video, Good Job
0 likesHungry Box is literally an Anime character.
1 likeProplayers : I'll do this, this and this
0 likesMe : mash, mash, mash
Did tier lists really happen in fighting games before fantasy sports?
0 likesFantastic video. What a guy.
0 likesOperation: protect hungrybox
0 likeswho brings a raw crab to a venue with the intent of later throwing it at the winner anyway?
0 likesPlot: Immigrant with a bad father beats the odds to become the best in his field.
7 likesMovie audiences: rampant applause
Real audiences: vitriol and crab-throwing
Hungrybox wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer.
0 likes8-bit Billie Jean is better than I thought it would be
1 like39:29 that losers bracket... my goodness
0 likesThere will never be a player who smells as bad as a smash esports champ
1 likeThis is basically a competition for the most commited virgin
1 likeIts very common in sports to hate the dominant player as you said. I follow F1 religiously, and its the same there. Half the crowd is there to boo on L. Hamilton, who dominated the modern era of F1 every year besides an unlucky one (2016). The crowd is happy when he is involved in serious accidents where his life or death depends on half an inch. I do agree it becomes boring to see him win every year, and its great to see somebody compete with him on merit, but we should keep the toxicity on the track, or in the case of video games in the room. We do not need to harass these super skilled individuals on the internet. If anybody hates them and wants them to lose, the possibility is always open for each one of us to join the sports they play and beat them at their own game :)
0 likesI'm sorry but the melee community is full of losers that resent the sight of other people winning. It's one thing to hate a character like Jigglypuff for being "boring" but it's another thing to direct it towards a person who spent decades of their life to optimize the character. Something those obnoxious people in the audience would and probably could never do!
1 likeAlthough it's just a video game Hbox deserves the utmost respect for becoming the master of his craft in spite of toxic naysayers who are cowardly enough to attack him as an individual rather than attack the character he chooses to use.
52:16 Who is this memelord behind Hbox doing the "gottem" hand and having a George Costanza shirt from Seinfeld
1 likePeople play games the way they like and to see a whole community treat their best player like crap is terrible
0 likesI watch this video at least twice a month 🤝
0 likesI thought since video would have come to an end at around 6 minutes until I realized it’s almost 1 and a half hours
0 likesMango and Hungry look like twins
0 likesI appreciate the pun of gettig ar-rested.
0 likesAnyone watching this does not need an explanation for "What exactly IS Smash bros. Ultimate?" Cool vid tho, good research
0 likesSmash them all Hungrybox, let them feel the pain. 😁
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they're just envious.
0 likes5 minutes in and I checked how much longer the video was. Dear god....
0 likesI'mma become a copy-cat crab thrower.
0 likesMelee players don't like Hungrybox because he is one of the few of them who actually showers.
1 like6 min into video, "story over?" Wait what, this video is another hour 20 min long!? o_O
0 likesTOP 10 SALTY ICE CLIMBER MOMENTS
1 likeCRAB LORE! That is a COOKED crab not a raw one! Those are blue crabs and once they are steamed (cooked) they turn that color! My family owns a seafood restaurant in the area so it is entirely possible that crab came from us! Just a little information if anyone cared about the origins of said crab.
0 likesYour TF2 insert content, nice. Loved your Kitty edits. 1:02:29
0 likesI used to play melee with my friends until the rubbers fell off and our thumbs were bleeding
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"until the rubbers fell off" LMAO
0 likesSomeone throwing a crab at another man is so Maryland.
0 likesWell, there are certain benefits for competition that is not supported by the game developer...at least your beloved character doesn't get nerf just because someone says something...
0 likesYou should upload another 1:24:38 video of just variations of the Dr. PeePee prescribing a daily dose of destruction phrase.
0 likes90 min? felt like 20, wow
0 likesSo was the crab meant as some kind of self criticism from the thrower as part of the crowd?
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no, maryland’s economy and cuisine is associated with blue crabs
0 likesjust like Maine and lobster or Alaska and king crab or Louisiana and Shrimp
it was just readily available and unintentionally ironic
FINE, I'LL WATCH THIS
0 likesI couldn't believe that i saw a 1:24 video, and for my surprise it was pretty entertaining
1 likei love this
0 likesmango looks like keanu
0 likesgetting major baba is you vibes from this joint (great video)
0 likesif it's red, the crab is cooked (said at 5:16). Not raw. :P
0 likesgreat video
0 likesSo True!
0 likesFew will take this into account!
holy shit I thought 5:52 was the outro for the video
0 likesRESPECT !!! ...
0 likesepic!
1 like5:24 bro i see jiggly puff in the crabs face
0 likesAnd thus the seeds have been planted.
0 likeshungry box just gained a fan
0 likesanyone else wanna see an anime adaptio of this? lols
0 likesFor anyone wondering the background music is in the beginning it is. Pokémon Battle Revolution , Main street coloessum
0 likesWhy would anyone bring a fucking crab to an event? Like sure, an apple, maybe a banana or someting but a fucking crab whut?!
0 likesI have never played this game, but Im a huge fan of league of legends. and from my point of viev even if the best toplaner in the world was a lets say Garen main(prob easiest champ in league) it wouldnt matter. Id still watch him and learn from him.
Some dummy: "you ruin the game" ME: "IT'S A CHARACTER IN THE GAME SHUT UP UNLESS YOU WANT TO TRY" ( i bet 1mil anyone who thought similar WOULD LOSE )
0 likesNew Gens you should watch this
0 likesVery interesting example you used of Tom Brady.
1 like1:01:30 infamous BMBrandon
0 likesAnybody else notice the dude at 49:50 popping TF off for HBOX every time they watch this video and laugh cause of him?
0 likesSo what happened on 58:15 technically? Why didn't puff get knocked back upwards? RNG?
0 likesI love your outro song from 1983.
0 likesThis is some nerdy shit!
0 likesi have always wondered about the melee scene and this video just so happened to just pop up randomly. I didn't realize how toxic and filthy the melee community really is under the hood and it makes since given Nintendo's cult-like fanbase...like father like son
0 likesI read in A song named ordinary Days comments That someone came from HungryBox That's how i now why i watch hungrybox and Smash melee
0 likesit was just a crab wtf shit like that happens all the time
0 likesA bit like Novak Djokovic.
1 likeI need a link to the image @ 18:24
0 likesOnly chumps play e-sports, REAL gamers go after achievements, not money, not fame, not glory, not some personal bullshit, just the basics is all you need :)
1 likewhats the song running in the background at 33.30??
0 likesIt’s crazy how people can just dislike you for a reason like this. I wasn’t in to smash until ultimate came out and I’ve never heard of hungry box until the new patch that fixed lag a little bit in smash and hungry box made a video about it. Watching this made me convinced that he is a literal legend.
164 likes#NeveStopGrinding
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Don't tell Neve what to do.
18 likesH-box is my favorite smash player
0 likesAlot of shit in this video is just wrong or is spun in an disingenuous way to fit a certain narrative. Alot of the hate he gets is definitely undeserved, but alot of it is deserved as well. This video was made dishonestly in pursuit to create an interesting narritive, don't take everything at face value.
3 likes@horn why tho what has he done
5 likes@Agent 47 nothing to deserve any hate especially rn
6 likes@Zak I love how they just say stuff then don’t back it up
5 likes@Agent 47 melee community is toxic af lmao
4 likesI was about to comment "They should make a documentary about him."
581 likesThen I realized this is a documentary.
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that was some epic twist right there
6 likesIn the video they mention that there already was one
3 likes@tomas Oh dang, sorry.
1 like@tomas That one was about Smash tho, this one is more about Hungrybox
3 likesMan, I feel so sorry for Hbox. He worked so hard as he had a simple goal: being the best melee player. Now that he has reached his goal, he is being punished for simply achieving a goal.
46 likesEdit: I hope he is doing well today
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Leffen passed him for best melee player
0 likesdaddy? sorry.. daddy? sorry.. daddy?
3 likesDr. PeePee. Whattalegend.
0 likesthrew a raw fucking crab lol
0 likesEmplemon may have just singlehandedly turned Hbox into the Zuko of melee players
125 likes36:20 "degrading and disgusting stuff you did and said about my mom. not to mention saying similar things about my now ex-girlfriend."
0 likesTimestamps for chapters in the video I made to be digested in bite sized pieces.
670 likesCHAPTER 1
0:00 - 6:00 Intro.
6:00 - 8:23 What is Smash Bros?
8:23 - 9:53 Melee Vs. The Future.
9:53 - 11:23 The Competitive Scene.
11:23 - 13:59 Brawl’s Flounders.
13:59 - 21:05 The Gods Vs. The Old Generation.
21:05 - 22:29 The Characters.
22:29 - 26:00 Jigglypuff Vs. The Meta.
26:00 - 27:38 20XX.
27:38 - 29:08 The Scale of Sickness and Jigglypuff.
29:08 - 30:07 Matchups and Hungrybox.
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CHAPTER 2
30:07 - 32:00 The Most Important Year.
32:00 - 35:35 Ultimate Evo.
35:35 - 39:10 The Renaissance.
39:10 - 41:05 True Clutchbox.
41:05 - 44:50 Heel Hungrybox.
44:50 - 45:35 The Big House 2015 and Captain Crunch.
45:35 - 46:56 Dreamhouse Winter 2015.
46:56 - 50:41 Hungrybox Vs. Juan Debiedma.
50:41 - 53:47 2016 and Evo Perils.
53:47 - 1:00:15 The Evo that Changed Everything.
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CHAPTER 3
1:00:15 - 1:02:29 After The Evo that Changed Everything.
1:02:29 - 1:02:54 A Melancholic Intermission.
1:02:54 - 1:05:02 Hungrybox’s Dominance and Other God’s Retirements.
1:05:02 - 1:06:28 Catastrophic Community Craziness.
1:06:28 - 1:08:10 20FF
1:08:10 - 1:13:57 Dominant Players and The Twisted Reality of Hungrybox Hate.
1:13:57 - 1:18:06 Hungrybox IS Melee
1:18:06 - 1:19:56 Hungrybox IS The Best in the World.
1:19:56 - 1:20:37 Post Ultimate.
1:20:36 - 1:21:08 Crab Mentality.
1:21:08 - 1:23:07 There will Never Ever be another Player like Hungrybox.
1:23:07 - 1:24:38 Credits and Surfshark.
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Thank you for your service
8 likesThanks mario
7 likeslegend
4 likesnice
3 likesThis is useful.
2 likesthanks i was looking for that surfshark ad
3 likesJust gonna leave a thanks...... id leave a thumbs up.... but its at 420 LOL
1 likeWould anybody happen to know the song at 39:36 ?
2 likes@Rapping Mario Thanks man! Appreciate you. <3
1 like@Cole no problem! I watched a series a couple years back that used that as it’s opening, so it’s pretty distinct to me.
0 likesI've never watched a single tournament nor ever played Melee, yet here I am watching this video in its entirety.
71 likesHungrybox is a hero. He's the Atlas of Melee.
I am sure Jigglypuff is actually enriching the competition and the game if most others are just resorting to Fox. A game with only one or few dominant characters would be clearly not balanced well enough for e-sports.
75 likesKudos to Hbox 👍🏻 and also appreciating the fact that he managed to become an engineer meanwhile - it's much easier to invest all time in the game but given not all players can live off it financially, it's not a reasonable strategy for the individual nor for the community. So make sure to secure another career, players.
I haven't played Melee in a decade but the video was worth watching 🙂
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Agree with this. So it seems like he made the game better by people starting to use less used characters instead of endless fox vs fox matchups.
1 likeThe more I hear about Melee, the more I realize that it's strikingly similar to TF2. Both were games intended for a casual audience with far greater skill/mechanical depth than anyone could ever anticipate, and created small but loyal competitive communities which continue to play to this day (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F5ky3Sl2es). The degree of precision required to so much as move in this game is apparent in sub-communities centered around explosive jumping maps (etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oij70_y0qVw). Both Smash and TF2 have spawned legendary figures so far above the skill level of everyone else that they can be aptly called gods (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZDn0XHr0mw). Finally, in both games, the true tragedy was that the company which created the game refused to support the competitive scene to its full potential, and in the case of TF2, eventually basically left it to die. Surely you must've noticed this - there's already documentaries out there (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DEvC47tvKc), but I think it'd be pretty entertaining if you covered the history of both casual and comp TF2, as well as all the niche cultures that spawned from it (SFM/Gmod, jump maps, prophunt/VSH/other wacky community servers, and so on), as I don't think anybody has ever done so comprehensively.
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not to mention the hate the casual side of the game has towards the idea of tf2 having a competitive scene, and the amount of desinformation that exists around it thanks to youtubers, something that also mvm suffers btw (like that the only classes played are scout, soldier, demo and medic, when the rest of the cast also see play (obviously in the case of 6s)
1 likeOne difference is that Valve at least nods at the competitive scene and gives it medals etc, Nintendo actively works against the competitive Melee scene.
1 likeI love Hbox, but more importantly, I love Juan. Not only an inspiration to gaming, but an inspiration for life
7 likesHungrybox don't ever give up alright. Don't overwork yourself for the approval of others, but don't ever give up because you're the best
6 likesthis was an absolutely incredible documentary, thank you. I love smash bros but have never played competitively, this gave me an even bigger appreciation for competetive smash than i ever had before. thank you for telling this story, it made my day way brighter <3
3 likesI’ve watched this masterpiece 5 times and this just proves how well made this is
12 likesNO IDEA HOW OR EVEN WHY I JUST WATCHED THIS, I WAS SEARCHING YOUTUBE FOR NFL WEEK 9 RECAPS!!!
18 likesnever even knew there was a SSBM "scene" or competitive ecosystem, and somehow ended up watching this. Now im much MORE blown away that this is a thing.
SO yea... moral of the story is people suck and i hope Hungrybox has success in anything he sets his mind to, dont let the jealous and malicious bring you down
Very amazing video, Emp. I'd love to see more eSports and FGC history from you because you told a great story and showed all of the action we all want to see!
1 likeLate to the party but really just wanted to say how much I appreciate the time and effort that went into making this video. I watched this as a complete Melee novice and I feel I have come away with so much!
1 likeI am mesmerized by this video. I was never really into the competitive scene, but I loved smash brothers.
2 likesI randomly followed him on twitch. I had no idea this man's story was so epic. Props to the algorithm and you making this video
1 likeRewatching this video, just realized that tomorrow is the 20 year anniversary of Melee's release. Happy 20th Melee
5 likesYes! I watched it all this was a great movie I played n64 smash so yeah and I really feel bad for hungryBox nice video btw out of all the long videos you could watch on YouTube or on the internet in general I would watch this long video thank you for making this
3 likesMy dood. Thanks for this video. I was playing some speedruns, doing some discords. Just absolutely respecting each of them. I respect all of them more now. This is hard. It is a lot of work. It can be your income. How about we dont throw crabs, or troll the up and comers? They are the future. They got this.
1 likeunbelievable amount of work you put into this. The super smash melee history has always produced the best story in all of esports I think. I am disappointed that melee isn't as popular as the other big games.
0 likesAbsolutely incredible video. Your writing and video structure/editing is godly.
0 likesthis is such a well done video i knew nothing of the situation and man did this explained it all perfectly. kudos Emp
0 likesI watched this last year and I come back every so often. such a great video
1 likeI started this video knowing nothing about competitive Melee aside from the fact that it exists. Now I am fascinated.
0 likesHow do your videos always do this?
God I absolutely hate growing up. So much nostalgia in this video that I almost went mentally insane.
2 likesThat was so awesome to watch.
2 likesHungry box is a great example of not letting one thing consume your life. You don’t need to focus on something 24/7 for years to be the best.
1 likeWhenever need some inspiration I go to this video. This video made me want to compete in smash.
0 likesI used to be more into competitive smash, I always liked the players who played the unique characters. I am glad to see that the meta is shifting away from Marth-Fox-Sheik.
0 likesWhen it comes to Melee, I'm an avid Link main. I figure I could compare to the Five Gods a little in terms of skill, but because of Link being slow I don't think I'd actually win against them. I'm probably the best Link user, but not exactly the best Melee player especially since I haven't played for about a year.
0 likesThe best video about the best melee player in the world. You did good Hbox
1 likeI don't even play this game and you had me on the edge of my seat for the whole thing
0 likesI can't believe I just spent 1.5 hours watching a story, about a guy, about a game, I never played!
0 likesThank the gods of YouTube algorithm!
Emp you are a gift to humanity man!!
Go Hungrybox!!!
I don’t even play smash bros but I was watching this earlier stopped 30 min in and came back right now(a few hours later) because I’m so interested in it. You make a good video.
1 likeI love this video and find smash bros so interesting now.
0 likesI would never, ever play it though lmao The community is insane.
I love how the Smash community used to think that Jigglypuff was the most boring character to watch, meanwhile you got someone losing an entire stock over the Ice Climbers wobbling
1 likeHe could have handled that with grace by making a joke out of it; "thanks for the crabs but I already got em" something like that
0 likesHungryboxes face after Wobbles beat him was heart breaking
0 likesI never knew anything about the melee fandom because I was too young, but this video is awesome.
0 likesWhen I wished for Jigglypuff to be the no.1 Melee Champ, I didn't expect it to go that far! There's only one champ that can beat him and Fox, if played correctly. I'll send him to you, Hungrybox!
0 likesWhen I try to introduce my buddy's into this channel, this is the video I go to
1 likeJust watched an hour long video of a guy I don't know, about a game I don't play, made by a creator I don't subscribe to. Great video
1 likeive seen this so many times, and it gets better each time
0 likesMost important thing ive taken out of this?
1 likeLeffen must have been born with some tragic handicap so we should have pity on the poor creature.
Seriously if a Jigglipuff is the best character AND SO EASY copycats would have been blowing up the game for ages. People wantto win and if a character alone made it possible without skill it would be everywhere.
I want a movie about this, and you should be the main consultant, this was an amazing video to watch
1 likeHow the fuck did you make me care about a competition I've never heard of for a game I've never played featuring some dude I've never heard of? Damn dude.
2 likesThrowing a raw crab at someone is the most Maryland thing ever
4 likesIf you play meta and win, you have a good character, if you play off-meta and win, you're a good player.
0 likesHungrybox will always be the best because he sticks with Puff no matter what the meta says.
I don't even follow or play smash, but this was very entertaining to watch. Thank you.
0 likesI don’t blame him, NO ONE wants crabs.
5 likesso much respect for hbox
0 likesI have no idea who you are. I've never played Smash, known anything about it (apart the memes or random tubers hyping up playing it even today), or ever heard of the players (Five Gods). However from just watching this video my appreciation towards both you and the Smash series and it's players just blew through the roof. Thank you!
0 likesOther competitors: You are under arrest for grand treason against Melee!
0 likesHBox: I am Melee.
i dont hate hbox, i dont like him either. i respect him for being able to succeed playing his own game
1 likeHaving gamed high level matches its easy to forget simple things
0 likesinteresting to see "sick" explained from an American perspective as a Melee-specific term; as a kid in Australia anything cool was 'sick', and otherworldly, extra cool was 'fully sick'
0 likesSounds like he's a legend.
0 likes18:05 "PP's style relied on-"
2 likesI can't bro-🤣
This is amazing!
0 likesHungry Box it's not the hero or the villain.
0 likesHe's the Legend
Holy shit this happened near where I live. I go to that arcade every Thursday
0 likesRespect to Hbox for enduring hate and ridicule and just putting his head down and working his way to the top. I can respect anyone who does that in any field.
0 likesSmash games are still for kids and as recent events have shown, that's apparently the way smash community likes it.
i dont even play the game and this hit me hard ngl
2 likesIf I ever become a proffesional Smash player my nickname will be "rawcrab"
0 likesAnd last but not least, melee's new generation will be cemented through the rise of the final and fifth god, the legendary...the extraordinary...Doctor Pee pee
1 likeWhen lemon said "Dr.pepe" I fucking died 😂
0 likesIMHO part of being the greatest is being able to defend that title for longer than it took to get it.
0 likesThe Juan puns are fantastic.
1 likeIdk nothing about playing smash ('couse i did not have any nintendo console yet) and idk if hbox know spanish but... VAMOS CARAJO JUAN QUERIDO, LLEVANDO A ARGENTINA A LO MAS ALTO DE SMASH, DESDE ACÁ TE GANASTE UN FAN, QUE NINGUN TARADO TE BAJONEE QUE SOS ARGENTINO VIEJA, EL DIEGO Y VOS LOS MAS GRANDE QUE HAY!!!
1 likethis is a very well paced vid dude
0 likesHungrybox, Sparg0 and ZeRo are my favorite smash players
1 likeI actually miss when Hbox was on top. I was never a big fan of him but I never hated him either. Seeing how he performs nowadays is kinda sad tbh, consistently losing to Zain and Mango. 2019 was the greatest year in Melee of all time (also because of Axe)
0 likesthis was such a beautiful video
0 likesI do not think Hbox deserves all the backlash like not linking how good he is already sucks for him but then people attack him as a person and that is something you should never do.
1 likeyou will succeed at creating a community of Hbox supporters
0 likesI believe this wouldn’t have happened if Nintendo just cared about the competitive scene
0 likesHungrybox: exists
0 likesMelee: How about no
is it just me, or does Mango just look like a slightly less shaved version of Hungrybox?
0 likesI discovered h box because my brother kept whooping my star Fox butt with puff. I have always rooted for h box, out of awe of how I got smacked at first but because of how hard he smacked challengers.
0 likesgood video, kept me entertained
0 likesShout-out to Laurel. Ofc people throw crabs in MD, it's a sign of respect lol
0 likesOmg. I don't even play this game and I just watched the whole thing 😱
0 likesThe reason other fighting game communities hate Melee it's because it doesn't have half naked waifus, there, I said it
3 likesHaven't played Melee since 2009, got this from the algorithm. Damn if I don't love a double elim bracket.
0 likesthe quality of this video is 10/10
0 likesHoly shit. I was wondering through the whole thing why he looked so familiar. And then his linked in showed up and I realized I met him at a West Rock internship summit/get together. Small fucking world
0 likesClearly emp threw the crab so he could make the video with the metaphor.
1 likeThis is my favorite video on YouTube.
0 likesthis video is very well written
0 likesA comeback story of betrayal and revenge.
0 likesIdk dude, this makes it seem that Melee players disliked that Hungrybox "solved" the game.
0 likesmoves literally within Amerika
0 likes"After his move to Amerika"
You should do a Never Ever on Wolfe Glick
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I support this
0 likesFor me I think the opposite with the "sick" list. If you can play Jigglypuff and do incredible, that's sick. Fox you can be a filthy casual and dominate
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I wouldn't go that far. Fox, while being top tier, isn't as broken as Meta Knight in Brawl or Bayonetta in Smash 4. Its impressive to play both :)
2 likesI will cheer Hungrybox
1 likeDespite this entire video trying to make me like the man, I still rooted against Hungrybox the entire video (even though I've never heard of him until now) I just don't like the way he behaves. Being hurt is no excuse to be a dick.
0 likesthis vid is my way of relaxing
1 likeI could hear you smiling while introducing DrPeePee.
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36:26 Holy dang, everyone disliked that.
1 likeEven I a frequent bather can appreciate this video.
1 likeI feel bad for hungrybox in the crab incident
0 likeswho just gets mad for about the dude they dont want to win a game and then throw a sea creature at them 💀
0 likesArmada was a Peach main.
0 likesRespect
Evo ran a Brawl Tournament with Items on? WHAT?!
2 likesThat aint no raw crab - its shell is red, meaning it was boiled. Cmawn!
0 likesHungrybox is awesome
0 likesI've lived close to Laurel for damn near 10 years now. Had no idea there was a GAMING TOURNAMENT there
0 likesthis is such a good video wtfff
1 like5:16 this is the funny maryland staryeo type ive seen and i can confirm
0 likesThe best games are never played as intended it seams.
0 likesits official i am terrified of jiggly puff
1 like51:51 Funny story, I was there in the arena that night and I actually saw all of these matches. Afterwards, during the Street Fighter V finals segment of the tournament, westballz actually sat next to my brother and I with his friend and I was just fucking dumbfounded. I met and or saw or 5 of the 5 gods during that tournament, it felt surreal, like seeing something you thought was legend reaffirmed to you it's true.
0 likesIron sharpens iron. This is awesome
0 likesThat guy dropped a card out of his pocket.
0 likesThat george costanza shirt was gold
0 likesI keep forgetting I've seen this video and now I've watched it 5 times
0 likesLeffen gets shit on all the time, you just did it in your video.
0 likesWhy would you complain about people hating HBox but then basically ask people why they aren't hating Leffen.
Good video though.
I agree, only think brawl had that was nice was the music
0 likesOne of the best youtube videos ever
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agreed
1 likeIf this video was a restaurant I'd give it 3 michelin stars
0 likes38:32 holy shit bro that's Ludwig's video that's insane
0 likesGolden editing
0 likesI'm from maryland and hearing that the fucking crab was throwing in maryland sent my sides to the moon
0 likesfine youtube I’ll watch this video, you’ve been recommending it to me for like 2 months, are you happy now!?
0 likesThis is why ppl double down on being the "villian" because people will talk and devalue you, but who won? Who are they watching? Who are they talking about? You won. They are a viewer.
0 likesLove this video
0 likesThe crab extended metaphor really hit me at the end. I was not expecting that but weirdly enough it all fits together in a weird puzzle like manner
8 likes21:33 “a third of melees roster are completely unusable”
818 likesZain enters with Roy
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after all, a skilled roy can beat any fox
52 likesrory punnington a fellow Turndownforwalt fan
8 likesHe is our boy
11 likespichu doe
1 likeam a roy main. I want to see a truly competitive roy in melee. lol
1 likeDrianikaben if my friend was any good then you would have one. But my friend sucks at melee
1 likeroy v puff 👌
1 like@TNKL _42 Roy's our boy
0 likesMew2king got extremely impressive results with Pichu
0 likesJigglypuff is BORING to WATCH? I was hypnotized by the clips of how Hungrybox plays, like holy shit it was stunning compared to others who played puff.
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Most meelee players are just adrenaline addicts, and dont see puff's style as something worth watching
33 likesI'm always stunned by pro jigglypuff play
6 likesKeep in mind the clips are heavily edited and most of the time is just zoning and neutral but explosive moments when they see its tome yo kill
15 likesWhile fox is pure aggression attack attack no nuance just hit button better and you win
The diffrence is time, fox games last much shorter stocks thus each kill moment which is prob the most exciting part are of a shorter time interval
I think they are just being stupid and doesnt know the rigth way to describe the situation
Fox is more fun to watch but puff makes the games longer but in no way a more boring way, suspense is also part of the equation but deliberately making it longer like the ice climer vs puff match in the vid can severly impact the perception of the match thus its enjoyability to watch
They confuse slow with stall, which is just stupid.
4 likesWatching spacing and up throw rest isn’t really interesting. Hbox is starting to become more interesting but just seeing rest setups gets really annoying.
0 likesGo watch any hbox set then go watch leffen vs chillindude in its entirety and you see why this puff is boring compared to other characters
1 like@Frogchip I wouldn't say Puff is boring, not when Hbox plays it, however he has like 16 years of playing Puff, of course he's the best Puff player, the other guys playing Fox or Pikachu or Falco or whatever, sure ain't the same as when Hbox plays, but from a technical standpoint, Hbox is probably the best player downright, it takes a lot of technical prowess to master any character, and just because the character has a limited moveset, doesn't mean it's any easier. Look at Mang0 and Armada's different playstyles with Fox, they differ vastly, and I'd say that Armada's playstyle was directly better than Mang0's playstyle. I'd say they were both extremely good players, but Fox has a lot more moves than Puff and as such making due with what you have is a far harder thing to do, there are moves which people rarely use with fox, however with puff there's hardly any.
1 like@The Major bro did you really just say that from a technical standpoint the puff player is better than everybody else
2 likessorry to break it to ya, but puff takes literally NO techskill whatsoever, characters like fox and falco are good examples of techskill characters
it dont matter if fox and falco have more options/moves they still require way more techskill, ur argument is literally just ''well if puff HAD techskill hbox would be just as good as the other gods at it'' which is competely baseless
puff isn't boring at all, and setting up combos and rest combos do take skill, and you can shut up about "techskill". if one player is better than the other, then they're better. that's it.
2 likes@Frogchip As Emp mentions, if Puff is such an EZ win character... Why is it that only Hbox wins tournaments with her? Sure, low-level competitive play with Puff is low-skill, but that only helps you through the bottom.
2 likesThe thing that it's going to take for people to unseat Hbox is for them to do the same thing he did against the other gods - study his play, develop a playstyle that counters it, and then try to keep one step ahead of him when he develops a counter-counter strat.
Just like every other high-meta game.
@Spartan Windrider people absolutely despise puff, they'd feel like a sellout playing her. If you listen to plup when on the couch at smash summit during one of hbox's pool sets he says he could play the char (''give me a month'') but when scar asks him if he had it in his heart to do it he said ''I would hate myself''
5 likesIm sure there are many ppl who would happily play puff if the other characters werent so fucking sick and cool to play, most melee players play to have fun
@Spartan Windrider Puff is not an "easy win" character, no one who matters actually claims that. Just because she's easier to win with than Fox, doesn't mean she's an easy win. Hungrybox has a lot of skill and most people in the Melee community would absolutely admit to that.
1 likeBut most people don't play Melee because they want to win no matter what, they play it because most of the characters are really fun and they want to push the characters to their limits. Melee allows people to put their personality into their playstyle, and the vast majority of people don't want to play like you have to play to be good with Puff, which is fairly campy and one-dimensional honestly.
And Hbox HAS been unseated at this point. Zain has been pretty dominant over him recently.
The only time I ever got really bored is when hbox vs armada's y. link was a thing. timeouts every game in grandfinals, it was so obnoxious. We got past it though.
1 like@Noah zzstu Smith icies have an easy ztd off a grab, puff has to be willing to make every set a slog just to play optimally, you have to be willing to play so lame its not even funny, icies would grab you but could also do cool shit, hence why there are still icies players even after wobbling got banned
1 like@Noah zzstu Smith 1. Please stop parroting everything emp says, attempt to use your own brain for once.
1 like2. Yes you play to win. However, if playing to win means you hate yourself all the time and don't find the game fun at all why win anyway? Melee is a spectator sport, if there were only puffs I guarantee this game will die, we need spacies to balance it out. Luckily there will never be only puffs because not everybody can bring themselves to play that way.
Icies was a simple character, you just grab them a few times and they die, anybody can do it, it isnt mentally taxing (cant do that anymore tho, since wobbling is banned lol)
Puff is on a whole different level. The amount of mental fortitude it takes to play an optimal puff is insane, and thats what I respect about hbox is that he sticks to his gameplan but there are always mixups, his talent is undeniable. Puff is objectively not hard on the technical side but in terms of mentality it is something very few melee players have. You cant just pick up puff and consistently play like hbox, you can try and copy what he does but his character knowledge and fundies set him apart from your average puff, he's a god of the game for a reason.
Playing puff isn't "hard", making a living off playing puff is hard.
"You're not playing to be "sick."
Well actually we are. This esport wasn't manufactured just to make money, the people who play this game are extremely passionate about it, if it wasnt for the community's passion for the game it wouldn't be an esport at all. Therefore we do play to have fun and express ourselves as it is one of the best things about the game, the amount of tech and fun shit you can do in this game is insane. Puff has very little of this, a lack of tech and the overall slow speed of the game when playing or fighting puff makes it pretty underwhelming compared to fast-paced fun asf characters like fox, falco, falcon etc.
Unlike other esports, we don't just play to win, we also play to have fun.
I’d say hungrybox is like playing a game as fast as possible and play fast characters like falco is like speed running two fun and interesting ways to play games
0 likes@Noah zzstu Smith Multiple top players have stated over the years that they believed they would be able to win more easily if they switched to Puff (Mew2king, Plup, Armada). Even if that isn't true, if they truly wanted to win at any cost they would at least try Puff for a while since they all believe she's so good. But no ones does because they do want to enjoy the game, which is a big part of staying motivated in any competitive game by the way. If they really wanted to play something they found boring because they wanted to win at any cost, why would they still be playing Melee, which has generally terrible payouts relative to other esports even if you do win. They play Melee because they love Melee, and they don't play Puff because they don't like the playstyle you need to play with Puff to win.
1 likeThe reason Puff is "easier" to win with than most other characters is because you don't have to grind tech skill like you do with other top characters. Even Marth, who has significantly less tech skill than say spacies or Falcon, still has some tech that needs to be practiced because there are 1 frame windows that need to be executed. Puff really doesn't have any of that, and takes easily the least tech skill among any viable character (even Icies). This is most obvious in tournament matches where players feel the pressure and are more likely to flub their tech skill. It's pretty common to see a spacies player mess up a ledgedash and die for it, but seeing any Puff SD is pretty rare. I'm not saying it's easy to win with Puff because winning with any character is hard, and I think most Melee players would agree, but there are factors that make it EASIER than winning with other characters.
If you watch Mew2king's video where he teaches Melee Puff to Salem, he goes over many of the things that most people don't know about Puff that gives her a lot easier of a flow chart in most situations than the rest of the cast.
I think looking at top players' practice time is the biggest indicator of how it's easier to win with Puff. Even when Hungrybox was #1, he didn't grind the game like most other top players do. He was even able to play Ultimate all the time on his stream and still get first at tournaments, whereas most other top Melee players who played Ultimate for some time struggled at one point since coming back (Plup, Wizzrobe, Leffen).
And there are other absolutely examples of other top players using her and succeeding. Prince Abu got 9th at EVO 2017 and he's known for not practicing the game much. Michael got top 8 at Full Bloom 5. 2saint actually placed 7th to tie with Hungrybox at GOML 2020. Puff is not comparable at all to say Pikachu or Yoshi, who have only one standout player that carries their character in tournaments.
1:19:39 I love how he just wanted a fistbump and got a hug instead. Love it.
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I'm sure that guy watched H Box for years and beating one of the gods (the last one at that) was something huge for him
33 likes@ThunderHog I thought they were going to fight, lol.
4 likesthat was wholesome as hell.
9 likesI cried at this point. After everything that was said about him. All the hate. I'm so glad someone just gave him a hug.
10 likesIf I saw HungryBox, I'd totally give him a hug and thank him for everything he's done :D
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That was heartwarming 💕
0 likesSame
0 likesMet him yesterday on the street going to a friends place. I don’t really follow video games in any way but he was very friendly. We didn’t really know what to say but he asked us a couple questions and how we were.
3 likesNice guy. Perhaps he realized that my friend and I are casual fans.
Emp the “never ever” series is like an event for me. Keep up the amazing work.
23 likesHonestly, out of all the YouTubers I follow - EmpLemon is definitely the only one I know who churns out masterpiece after masterpiece. From the highest jump record, to fucking smash. Personally, I've never been a huge fan of any of the stuff he talks about. But the way he presents all of his content, it's like every single one of these videos are like a very beautifully crafted doorway that leads you into the realm of emp's mind, guiding you to a front row seat to emp's feelings - giving you a vivid idea why emp thinks each of these subjects are beautiful and worth talking about.
144 likesThis is unbelievably one of the greatest masterpieces a YouTuber has churned out into this platform.
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Unsubscribing?
9 likesWhat?
4 likeslmfao
10 likesBrilliant Masterpiece. Unsubbed and disliked.
12 likeshahahah
3 likesI'm laughing my ass off
4 likesReporting the video too!
0 likesSuch quality content, gonna dox Emp as well.
0 likesI never hated this guy
0 likesIn my highschool, Super Smash Bros. club was one of the most popular clubs in the school because of how accepting and inviting it was. Of course most of the players was casual, but that is what you get in any sport or game, people just want to have fun and get initiated that way before they choose to take the game seriously. In fact, one of the main annual events was the school wide Super Smash Bros. tournament near the end of the year held durring lunch in the lunchroom for everyone to enjoy watching and anyone to walk in at the start and sign up before the start of the tournament. That is how they created passion, excitement, and commitment for the community around Smash, mainly Smash Melee. And that is more how the Smash Melee community must be if it wants to survive and thrive.
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Fuck...wish my school wasn’t so boring even to this day.. :(
16 likes@Dres2000 Lol do you think something like that would work at my all girls all Indian/desi school
5 likesIf you school is boring, make it interesting.
0 likesOh really?
6 likesI was part of my smash club back in the days, and it was a weird experience. You're complaining about a characters hitbox one second, then you're in a heated debate about war crimes the next.
I really love Hbox man. He really is a living legend in the game. The character isn’t “easy” and I just respect the commitment he’s made to the game it’s Insanely impressive. Much love Juan!
27 likesThis show in general needs to be submitted to the Academy Awards, because this is one amazing video.
92 likesHBox seems like a pretty genuine and nice guy - I really like how he was being told he could never be amongst the best, yet he beat them all with a character, noone believed would ever succeed. This is a pretty motivating story!
41 likesOut of all material regarding the history of Smash, this is definitely a masterpiece. Well done Emperor!
47 likesreally great doc, now I play Slippi
0 likesThe moral of this story is...... When it comes to toxicity, there will never ever be a more vile, sickening, and downright disgusting level of toxic attitudes and behaviors as the ones you see in PvP video game communities..... Especially the smash community....... TO persevere and climb through that much bile and sewage is a testament and a spectacle in of itself
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I think it´s on the same level with League of Legends tbh.
1 likePokemon i feel is the same or even worse.. especially when your opponent DC's so you don't get the win you worked to get, and it messes with your win lose ratio, so they seemed like they never lose because they disconnect
1 likeThis is true. The Smash community is toxic, and most people got an AWAKENING when Byleth was introduced in Ultimate. I never knew it ran this deep bc i had only heard of hbox a few times until i found this doc
2 likes"When the doctor was in, you were about to get your daily dose of destruction."
12 likesThanks for showing PPMD in his prime a lot of people believe he was the weak link of the gods, but he was one of my favorites to watch completely tearing his opponents to pieces with that Falco. It was like watching westballz when he doesnt fuck up and gets some rediculous ass combo from out of nowhere but way more consistent.
I miss him and PC Chris
"Melee prides itself on fast paced gameplay."
498 likesTop player uses a slower character.
"Melee celebrates highly skilled technical mechanics."
Top player plays a simple character.
"Melee relies on it's risky and aggressive playstyles."
Top player plays carefully and defensively.
You know, it's funny... last time I checked, playing carefully and defensively, while not very exciting, is the smart thing to do. So, perhaps the people arguing against this should take a look it the mirror and remember that haste makes waste, and patience is a virtue. Stop coming up with excuses and improve. If Fox is truly the best character with the most "Amazing technical skill" then learning how to take down such an "Easy" character as 'Puff should be a snap. Yet, they kept losing to Hungrybox.
It's almost like they were trying to demonize him, because they couldn't do it, and were angry.
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What kills me is that, as someone who played melee enough to appreciate skillful play when I see it, Hungry Box is incredible to watch, at least with the examples presented in this video. Sure, the Fox players he's up against in this video are flashy, quick, and undoubtedly take an unfathomable amount of skill to play at such a level, but watching Hungry Box keep those players off the stage through well-timed blocks, kicks, and being able to recover himself on top of it... How is that not enjoyable? It's not as flashy, but it's impressive in a completely different way, a strategic way, as you note. The people complaining that Jigglypuff is boring because she's simple have it backwards. The fact that she's simple and yet is used by the best player in the world is a feat unto itself that deserves recognition. I understand there's a difference between being impressed and being entertained, but it's like Emp demonstrates early in the video: the people who compete are there to win. That's what HBox does. He does what it takes to win.
83 likessmash players are mostly tweakers they just want to get combos and spikes fast
14 likesSame thing casual boxing and UFC fans have said for decades. Even Joe Rogan constantly gets mad at fans for booing when the game moves from stand and trade (really stupid way to try to win unless you're 100% certain you'll win it) to the more technical aspect of the game. Some of the top fighters back in the day were dependent upon timing/positioning/strong responses to what opponents were doing and got mercilessly booed for it. Hungrybox is Lyoto Machida... Change my mind...
17 likesPlay to win, man.
4 likes@Lanthaneius And when refs separate fighters on the ground or in the clinch for "inactivity". Let the fighters work, my dude! They know their craft.
2 likesIt's also why dabuz used to get so much hate (though it's toned down now)
1 likeThe hate Hbox used to get is like the hate that zero and dabuz got put together and if those two sources of hate fed into each other, and also if those sm4sh players were more toxic at the start of the game.
Most of Melee is very careful and defensive.
2 likesI remember fatality falcon saying that defensive play styles would always be the superior strategy for any fighting game.
2 likesAll gods have the same weakness.
0 likesEventually they just get bored.
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yea, no offense to Hbox he is a legend for sure, but when all 5 gods were in and it mattered, he lost.
0 likesamazing video
0 likesI've ignored this video since it was up (recommended video) simply because of the length. I'm such a fool to finally have watched. This is an amazing story. This could easily be a Netflix documentary. Very well done.
95 likesSad to see how hostile a community can be against one of it's top players. It appears as though hungrybox helped make this game get big and people paid a blind eye to it. And Jigglypuff is totally "Sick".
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The ridiculous thing is that low-level competitive Puff play is boring, as Emp pointed out - but all the Hbox wannabes are playing her. They don't have the chops to actually win tournaments though, so hopefully that'll start to die out...
0 likesMost people are cool, it’s just a vocal minority. Most of the “heroes and villains “ stuff is all part of the act. Also, hbox is universally respected now, as he should be. Don’t dwell on the past.
0 likesamazing video
0 likes“Your mom has a hungrybox”
0 likesThe crab is not raw. That’s a steamed blue crab.
174 likesSincerely, concerned Marylander
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lmao
0 likesCrabs suck
17 likesThis post was made by lobster gang
@Ian Alvarez You're nitpicking and biased, i win, bye bye.
6 likesGamingOS: Ok, Dunkey.
0 likes@Ian Alvarez
0 likesJontron: The bougeiest of beat 'em ups!
um aktually adjusts glasses crabs are superior
0 likesMa man finally caught a break
0 likes> shows league instead of dota
0 likes> "competitive"
why are you booing me, I'm right
The Smash Community doesn't deserve such a beautiful person like Hungrybox... yet he stayed and forgave our sins.
58 likesThank you for never giving up, Hungrybox.
Never stop growing hungry on being the best in the world, my dood. ♡
"A disgruntled spectator throws a raw crab at Hungrybox"
430 likesIn what universe does this make sense. Ours
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Clearly you are unfamiliar with the best state in the usa.
12 likes@Mr. Hentai best?!?
0 likesas a resident of Maryland i can confirm our state is a portal to another universe
7 likes@Mr. Hentai not even funny as a joke
0 likes@alex m Ok Alex "M"
0 likesTf is the best State?
@Sincere Flowers Why did you say Alex "M" like that?😂 Also, the best state is [REDACTED]
0 likes@Eljahi Hamgottin his surname is a conspiracy. He didn't even capitalize the initial!
0 likesThis wouldn't happen in Trump's America
love him or hate him, you gotta admit he's a legend.
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but is he spittin straight facts?
8 likes@Shaman Xeed bait
0 likeshow did i manage to watch this completely
0 likesThese videos are fucking legendary, this is by far the best series I've ever watched on youtube
164 likesOk Ok, but why tf did that guy bring a raw crab
0 likesToday is November 18th 2021. They freed Melee. Nintendo and Panda have announced a partnership for the first licensed Smash Bros Tournament.
1 likeThis is the start of a new era for Melee and Ultimate. Let the legacy of the 5 gods be remembered.
"Confirmed. Ready your A-game, Super #SmashBros competitors. We've partnered with @PandaGlobal to launch the first officially licensed Super Smash Bros. championship circuit in North America, coming 2022!
#SmashBrosUltimate #SmashBrosMelee "
17:58 LMAO
0 likesLitteraly the exact second he lost. Nice timing
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@Shaman Xeed keep saying that in every comment thread and still no one will care what you say.
55 likesAmen.
2 likesProving someone's point
0 likes@Jake charles I kinda like his trolling. But only because this video makes me irritated at the melee community.
2 likes@Tom Hill yea that's true
0 likesShaman Xeed lmao you wanna see my tinder?
0 likesWow today is the 20th year anniversary of the release of melee
0 likesdude, this video is fantastic. I've never heard of Hbox and never respected Smash as a competitive fighting game. I now support Hbox and have learned to appreciate Smash for what it is and that it should be in the FGC scene.
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Love this comment
1 likeMy prior frustration with Hungrybox was never about Hungrybox at all. It was about the players I wanted to win being unable to at the time, and without putting enough thought into it, I needed someone to blame. A lot of us did. We said and thought some bad things about this man.
294 likesBut in the midst of all that, it never felt quite right. I wish I'd thought about it more.
Today I realize that even though there are top players I like watching more than others, they are all critical to the community in their own ways, and I would be sad if any of them quit. None of them deserve the level of hate that Hbox has had to deal with, even if you don't want him to win.
What I felt or feel doesn't change the fact that Hungrybox still deserves all of his wins, and his determination is a lesson to us all.
Thank you Emp, thank you Juan, and most of all, thank you Melee.
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This sounds like a petty list of excuses.
15 likesYou're thanking emplemon....but you're not apologizing to hbox?
You just admitted that you said bad things about him...and your only sentiment was "I wish I thought about it more."
All if your remorse is self centered.
Nothing about you has changed.
LMAO YOU THINK YOU HAVE CHANGED, you probably still have spite for hbox, why are you thanking people lol you should be apologising to hbox, these are all excuses man, you dont like him, cant you just admit that much
3 likes@Bennn I mean, if I was hbox I would be more moved by this dudes comment than an apology. This dude basically just said he admits to being wrong, admits the smash community is doing him wrong, and believes hbox deserves a lot more respect than what he gets. To me an apology would just feel like the community giving him pity, when really I think hbox just wants their respect.
14 likesStraightBoy your comment serves no purpose other than to inflame and instigate. Please either reflect on this and better yourself or see yourself out.
4 likes@poisenbery Stop that. Stop putting people who admit they were in the wrong down by saying it's for a selfish reason. Because even though it was, it takes something to admit that you were wrong, that you should've been better, and showing regret for prior actions, putting personal hate into context. In that way, your last sentence is wrong, "nothing about you has changed." because he did. He got introspective, put things into context, and feels sorry for things, realized that top players are integral to the community they're a part of. The comment in of itself is an apology - "I'm sorry" is definitely an apology, and this person definitely shows how he feels sorry for Hbox. Don't judge people for felling bad for things in the past, dangit.
1 like@Smirf Broil what are you on about, pitying the best melee player? Ofc he wants an apology lmao, after all he got a fucking crab thrown at him
0 likesNah. It seems odd to apologize to someone for my private opinion of them if it never affected them directly. I have never spoken with or seen Hbox in person, I've only watched him on Twitch and spoken about him with a couple of my friends. However, what I am sorry for is contributing to the negative mindset of the community towards him.
0 likesPoint is, you don't have to love a player, but you should respect how hard they work, and admit when they deserve better than what they're getting from their community. I don't love or hate Hbox today, I view him as another top competitor. He deserves my respect just like the players I personally cheer for in tournaments. I've certainly changed since I used to hardly respect him at all, and wished at the time that he'd quit the game. It was silly to think those things and I wish I hadn't. Fortunately, today I am a wiser person.
A lot of the community is misguided and stuck on the hate train, and I hope more of them step off of it. I think this video will help with that, which is cool.
Just my additional 2 cents. Don't care if people think it's enough or not, to each their own.
i heard the weatherscan music at 46:53 and as someone who religiously listens to the weatherscan soundtrack, i pulled an hbox popoff
0 likesHow tf is it possible to create such a mindblowing documentary ...
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Seriously. I dont even play Smash Bros. and I watched the whole damn thing. Lmao.
50 likes@Olympia Alright, I will.
6 likesHere’s a link if you haven’t already found them: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoUHkRwnRH-IXbZfwlgiEN8eXmoj6DtKM
2 likes@Joe O Thanks, man!
0 likesPassion.
0 likesYou obviously haven’t seen Summoning Salt. But yeah definitely mind blowing.
0 likes@Andrew Gan SS, EZScape, and Karl Jobst all somehow almost single-handedly ruined many of the speedrunning communities. I can't imagine anyone supporting SS.
0 likesI've never once had any interest in Melee, mostly because I don't play games often. And yet, you got me to watch a whole documentary about it with consistent interest. You have an amazing talent for video editing. And Hungrybox has an amazing talent for Melee. I have a respect for both of you now.
68 likesHere I am thinking that people like underdog stories, that when somebody is against insurmountable odds, but puts forth the gumption anyways and works their hardest to come out on top that the people will rally behind them. Then we have HungryBox, who mains one of the weaker characters Jigglypuff, a character that's only "simple to play" because so many of the moves suck and your options are limited. He plays this character in tournaments where the most prolific character is considered a hard counter to Jigglypuff. HungryBox had school, and a job and he excelled at those as well as smash, everything was against him. You would think that with everything else against him that the community would get behind him, but no, they were more against him than any other obstacle. His own community detested him, and even then he still pushed through. The amount of respect I have for HungryBox is unreal. He may have his flaws, but his drive and determination, and skill are truly legendary. He earned his status as a god.
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The reason people consider puff as “simple to play” is that she requires much less tech skill then other characters.
14 likes@WondrousParrot debatable
32 likes@Connor The Duke not really dude. In comparison to Fox, Marth, or Falco the amount of techs she has is very low.
7 likes@Connor The Duke this guy doesnt play melee
22 likesYou could say the very same about Tom Brady who was the ultimate underdog in practically every single way. But once he experienced immense success, people stop caring about how he started. You just become the enemy at that point.
8 likes@Generic Gary I do lmao.
0 likesJigglypuff isn't a weak character at all, most players put it at top 4, but that doesn't take away from his accomplishments
5 likes@WondrousParrot I main falco, and I used to main puff and I can assure you that everyone in melee is equally hard, it's kinda like physics with PE and KE. We will call PE physical energy (by this I mean inputs and precision) and KE mental energy. Falco may have a lot of PE but he doesn't require much KE, puff may not require much PE but requires a lot of KE. The total of both are equivalent to one another.
17 likes@Turtlechamp I disagree but whatever
0 likes@WondrousParrot ur straight up wrong
3 likesLemme find out Kirby is actually a god-like character and nobody found out yet
0 likes@Iman kirby is mid tier. I dual main him and falco and I can assure you Kirby is great. He only struggles against fox and depending on who you ask marth. Other than that hes tied or SLIGHTLY loses to every MU. Falcon-kirby is 50-50 or slightly kirby favored. Sheik-kirby is 55-45 and so on. Kirby is underrated and has the hackysack a combo against spacie from 35-85% that can TOD
2 likes@Turtlechamp Isn't Falco the most played character though? And for a reason?
0 likes@SendarSlayer for most people they main falco cuz he's sick.
0 likesJigglypuff isn't weaker,she just requires much more patience.Even if you main the most top tiers in melee you can't just go in and expect to win,it dorsn't Mao the story less intresting.
3 likesPuff is absolutely not a weak character. Telling any top player that puff is any lower than 5th best will get you laughed at, and claiming she's as high as 2nd won't really raise an eyebrow.
0 likes@TheOhmahgawdz definition of peer pressure, and peer pressure tends to have false claims in it
0 likes@Turtlechamp "peer pressure" is a really odd way of saying "overwhelming consensus". Even mang0 and hbox themselves put puff in the top 5 lol.
1 like@TheOhmahgawdz mang0 said puff is a horrible Character MANY times, what are you talking about? And hbox always said puff was below sheik (and I think falcon) until he got "bullied" into believing puff is that good.
0 likes@Turtlechamp He says that when people compare her to spacies/marth, and mang0 is known for his hyperbole for comedic effect. He also calls falcon and peach garbage quite regularly lol. I'm citing those 2 players as puff's biggest critics, and they still rank puff as either equal to or better than characters that have won multiple majors (i.e. peach and falcon).
1 likethis was kind of a trip to watch for me. i only know who these melee players are because i had a roommate back in 2016/2017 and he was obsessed with the game and he always watched the tournaments. he was a fanboy of mango so obviously he didn't really like hungrybox. but its just weird to hear how he's the best player now and that according to leffen, puff is the "easiest" character to play. i never understood the hate that hungrybox got and i still dont. inspiring story though and great video, gald i watched!
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But it wasn’t the best character right just the easiest to pick up right.
1 likeMax Englert what’s the difference zero suit samus is one of the easiest characters to pick up and is one of the best in smash ultimate
3 likes@PandasGoneWild ZSS is one of the hardest characters to both pick up and master wtf are you on about
9 likes@Ado_42 ZSS = zero skill samus, 100 ways to kill you at low %, zair zair zair. Nerfed but needs way more nerfs.
3 likes@King Toaster wtf
0 likes@Ado_42 I'm just a filthy casual here, who is also an Ike main (cuz he is very satisfying to win with), but I found ZSS fairly easy to pick up (once I stopped killing myself by mistake). On the other hand, I have always found puff extremely difficult to win with.
0 likesHey new hungrybox fanboi here :)
0 likesMan, I feel so bad for Hbox. I just want to give him a hug
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Same
0 likesI would give him a jigglypuff
0 likesBut... but... it's a cooked crab...
0 likes"Melee's fifth god, Doctor Peepee."
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a person that exists :*
6 likesHe changed it to PPMD after a while to be just slightly less crude
1 like17:53
0 likesMortals will never understand Gods, because well... they're mere mortals. HB, like all other pros, truly loves what he does, and could care less about these imbeciles. Everything else he says is just PR. IMHO.
0 likesI'm not really someone who has dipped more than casually in smash, let alone the competitive community. It's really amazing to see how much history is behind just this one game, having occurred for a fair amount of my life almost unbeknownst to me. And you tell such a great story of one man's journey, without deifying or bedeviling him. Impressive work, definitely subscribed.
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Clan ZedTee watch the Melee doc if you found this interesting
3 likesThis is a near perfect documentary: The amazing editing that get you right in the feels, the important messages shared through the awesome script and the masterful research put into it all contribute to make this a very much near perfect video. A powerful documentary that makes it's viewers feel everything from defeated to victorious. Maybe it's just me, but I can't count the times I was on the edge of my seat or putting myself in Hungrybox's shoes: feeling tense when he was close to losing, Putting up a frown whenever he got booed, Being hopeful while he was going up the brackets and... just the BEST feeling of euphoria at his highest points.
49 likes10/10 Thank you for this awesome documentary.
It's crazy how this video just came out about Melee's long history, and there are still ridiculous changes in the meta still occurring every day. In 2019 we saw a Pikachu take a super major for the first time ever, a Falcon take a major for the first time since 2005, and in the first month of 2020 a Marth took a super major for the first time in many years. Plus Hax$ comes back and makes top 8, taking games off Leffen and Hungrybox, and other top players. The meta is changing every single day. Hbox isn't going anywhere, and that's exactly how it should be. But the top may not look like how we've always remembered it in the next two years, hell, even this year may see a new #1.
49 likesGreat video as always.
The fact that you can make me watch and hour+ long video and enjoy it, even if I'm not really interested in the topic, will forever astound me. Keep it up, man.
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Agreed. Never seen this channel and have never watched eSports but I felt it. Excellent video, especially the choice to open with the comeback from the losers bracket. That hooked me.
2 likestry summoning salt as well. he has a
2 likesbunch if history of speedrunning videos that are of the quality of this video
I don’t like Leffen at all. Can’t tell you how much I loved that taunt punish when he was up 3 stocks to 1 and H box put him in his place. Also this is just the greatest documentary I’ve ever seen. I rewatch this entire thing every other day for motivation 😭😭😭
45 likesAND THIS IS REASON I WILL FOREVER HATE THE SMASH COMMUNITY!
1 likeDid i just watch 1 and half hour vid about a crab for u to tell me "crab mentality" meaning i am so sleepy i wish u the best of luck
0 likesIn 2016, Hbox taught everyone the importance of doing your homework.
157 likesThat's not a raw crab.
0 likesEmp deserves more subs for how much effort goes into his videos. Literally, 500k for an hour and 24 minute video? Give him what he deserves.
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Only the gamest of gamers to watch this... Thus why
1 likeI really appreciate the long videos too
1 likeHe’s got over 2 million now, we’ll deserved I enjoyed the whole thing.
2 likesfacts
0 likes@Krylix he said subs not views
0 likesI'm so glad to see hbox finally get his due. It's absurdly twisted to paint someone as an ass hole because they eventually tire of relentless abuse. It takes something remarkable in a person to march through that and still become the best. Hopefully this serves as a moment of introspection for the Smash community.
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Justin You clearly aren’t familiar with the Melee community...introspection is below Puff on the community’s sick list.
18 likes@lordmusea lmao, true of every Esports community
0 likes@lordmusea Just like bathing. So many johns just to avoid a 5 minute length of contact with running water....
1 likeIt's my sleepover, I get to choose the movie.
0 likesARHOY SPONGEBOB, HUNGRYBOX JUST WON POUND 2019, AND I'M SOARING THROUGH THE AIR. ARGHARGHARGHARGHARGH
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Very Epic Joke
11 likesI only have one question:
1 likeWhy does that pfp exist
Lmao
1 likeMy favorite Mr. Krabs meme.
4 likesLost genesis
0 likesTime for some smug dancin
0 likes@Boko Then won Summit 9. So?
0 likesWell if this documentary did nothing else, it got another person ready to cheer for hungrybox finally.
124 likesI've always been a fan of Hungrybox, it's sad to see the community act so insensitive towards him.
48 likes"The 5th god, Dr PeePee"
797 likesNice
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It's Chef PeePee's cousin.
3 likes@Paul Vallee Ah, of course.
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0 likesnice
0 likesNice
0 likesoh my god hungrybox lore
1 likeHow ironic that the melee community was following a “crab mentality” against HBox, and a crab was thrown at him.
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dude who threw it looked like mango in that blurry shot lol
7 likeswhat if the crab guy KNEW this analogy and actually sent it to signal this to the community?
19 likesi mean probably not but why the HELL would he have a crab of all things?!
@Guy The Blue Crab is one of the most iconic things about Maryland, the state where the tournament took place.
25 likesWaiting for a video on HFTF and Aleph Null
0 likes"before you can learn how to win, you must learn how to lose"
132 likesGood advice
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Ok.
0 likesAnyone know the name of the song/music at 39:25?
0 likesWith a unique lineup of topics, Never Ever has become one of my favorite YouTube series.
63 likesFrom SpongeBob And WWE To Nascar and Smash Bros, Never Ever is well crafted series.
Here's to another 5 episodes of Never Ever.
The best video on the platform IMO. At first I didn’t even think I’d like this because I’m not a big smash fan, but storytelling is on another level. Probably watched this through it’s entirety like 15 times. A great story of triumph
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how the heck dou watch sthe same thing so many times? some other guy said he watched 3 times and i was like WTH?! but now i found you saying you watched 15 times?!
3 likes@bobman bob this is the second time I'm watching this today. Genuinely one of the best pieces of media I've ever found.
2 likes@bobman bob it’s been a few months but I’m back to watch it again. Something about it speaks to me. 15 might be exaggerated, might be closer to 9-10. It’s beyond just a story of hungry box, and a video game. It’s the triumphant nature of the video. Where everyone wants you down, yet you prevail. It’s something that resonates with me.
0 likes@MattProductions2012 i see. 9 -10 is still quite a lot, but I agree with you . it was just a bit surprising to me as ive never rewatched anything on youtube nor movies more than once unless to share with someone
0 likesi still dont know what makes you and i do different things but thx for your reply!
Imagine spending years of hard work and dedication to become the best Smash player in the world only to have thousands of Jim Cornette clones scream at you online about how your play-style is "outlaw bullshit that's killing the business."
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let them be salty, at least he doesnt use fox like almost literally everyone else
18 likesMy thing is he didn't used to do it would win still
0 likesIt was Maryland what else was he gonna throw other than a crab
0 likes"Dr. Pee Pee" THAT. Is a name you choose for yourself, specifically so you can laugh when other people have to announce it at tournaments.
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1. I was suprised he didn't play Dr Mario when i first heard his name
23 likes2. Evo 2020. Everyone is ecstatic to hear the announcer yell who won the final set of Super Smash Brothers Ultimate. Silence.
Ahem
DOCTOR PEEEE PEEEEEEE
It was actually a nickname that his friends gave him after he spilled orange juice on his pants
27 likes@Kevin Kuhn honestly what a legend taking a mean joke from his friends and getting to the top with it
11 likeswhats the song around the 40 minute mark? during the beating compilation
0 likesI want to seriously congratulate you, EmpLemon. Before this video I knew next to nothing about Smash Melee and less than nothing about Hungrybox. I merely clicked on this video because it was in my recommended. Once I saw that it was over an hour long I had no intention of finishing the video. However, I still wanted to get a taste of it, so I watched a bit. That little bit was so compelling that I stayed for the entire 1 hour and 24 minutes. Within that time, the length of a literal movie, I came to appreciate Smash Melee, it's history, community, tournament scene, and its players. I came to appreciate Hungrybox. Without any prior history with the game or its players, and only passing interest in learning about those things, you made the topic interesting, fun, and entrancing enough to make me care. You clearly have skill and determination and I wish you the best going forward.
23 likesLong Live Hungrybox.
toxic community tbh, so glad we are out of this era. Competitive gaming has gotten so much better over the last 10 years
0 likes"He knew what he had to do."
827 likesDamn, my boy quit playing and put everything into his career.... thats really ro-
"He quit his job to play smash fulltime"
Oh shiiiiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-
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Enjoy your 69th like as long as it lasts
7 likesthe engineering field is overrated anyways. I'd much rather play melee all day too lol.
6 likesWonder if all that calculus in college paid off computing frame data in real time in that big ass head of his.
7 likes@kevin reese probably
0 likesOk now I love hungrybox and hate the melee community.
0 likesHungryBox will probably never see this, but in case he does... Keep it up man. Watching your sets is like watching Joseph Joestar with the methodical, patient approach you take. Keep it up legend, you got at least one fan out there popping off with ya.
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uhm... it's literally pinned comment
5 likes@Black Caviar hungrybox's comment? Yeah, I know. But there is nearly 500 replies on that one comment.
17 likes@Guimonoh... I apologize I misread your comment (I am Russian) xD
16 likes@Black Caviar no worries
9 likesHoly shit, this video is so good that even the comments are courteous and respectful
3 likes@Buttfranklin lmao
1 likeOh you mean the comment 🤦♂️
0 likes@Lemmon Boy pfft, yeah I do
0 likesI discovered Hungrybox when I got recommended his reaction to Kazuya getting into Smash. Listening to his story has made me love and respect him even more. Thanks for the awesome story
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Oh god kazuya
0 likesHonestly, I think this video and others have gone a long way to improve the general perspective on Hungrybox, especially with everything he's been doing with Ultimate. He really deserves credit for being so impactful.
17 likesI love this video. I don't even play Smash and I still found it fascinating and well put together. The effort you put into this video is very apparent and I appreciate it.
7 likesEvery time I watch this I'm reminded of the confidence and willpower you need to compete. You need to be in such a refined mindset that not many people can reach.
12 likeshope hungrybox is doing okay. wishing him the best
5 likesThis video is from this really rare gems that you watch every minute with absolute pleasure. Nothing can hold my attention for more than 5-10 minutes and to watch something for so long about genre that i hate and game i've never even heard of ... yeah Fantastic job brother!
7 likesIt’s incredible how many times I’ve watched this video. Even more so Hoe often the algorithm shows it to me and I have to click it each time. One of the best videos I’ve watch. Thoroughly researched and given the attention and care it deserves. To this day I can be inspired by HBox because we are all the same. Wanting to fit in and be acknowledge for our accomplishments. I’m so glad hbox continued with his dream.
6 likessmash, specifically melee, forces you to focus in such a unique way. I still remember how it felt to be in the zone while playing when I was a kid.
4 likesI discovered only recently your chanel, EmpLemon, and this video is amazing. You really are great to tell stories like these in an epic way.
3 likesHungrybox is like a real-life shonen Hero. His struggle and final victory is astonishing.
Your editing and music choices and mixing is impecable, truly one of if not the best, you could make any topic interesting. Keep up the good work man
3 likesThis was done so professionally well. Such a good watch. Thank you
0 likesI did not know his story, but I feel like one of the keys of his hard work and success is that he got to quit his job as an engineer to fully commit to Melee.
10 likesImagine working so hard that you get to competitively play as a Pokemon on a Nintendo videogame and that's your job!
Thank you for this video, love the dedication that you put in here... its awesome, great job in edit :O <3
0 likesWins are like finally catching a hard Jigglypuff. Loses are like failing to catch or fainting to a hard Jigglypuff. Players are the trainer and need to decide whether they will catch and accept the Jigglypuff, ignore it and leave it alone, or fight it and take it down mercilessly no matter what it takes. Juan should be more respected. Please take back and fix what you despised.
3 likesHonestly, that was one of the most interesting videos i've eer saw on youtube.
3 likesThank you so much for putting all this informations together and present it in such an entertaining way.
this video helped me to not only appreciate someone I already considered to be my role model in competitive smash, but also to appreciate a game that I never played :)
0 likesWow. A full on documentary. And one the better ones I've watched. Thank you for all the work you put in!
0 likesI really just watched this whole thing... and I was actually inspired. Thank you video content creator, and thank you Juan Debiedma aka Hungrybox.
0 likesLove hungry box stuff have been following him for so long he is a amazing person i love the way he plays thank you hungry box!!!
0 likesSuch a phenomenal video, well done emp sir
0 likesI didn't know a thing about the Smash pro scene. This was a fascinating documentary!
8 likes12:45 imagine being a fucking master at your own game, only to be beaten by a kid who probably didnt even know melee existed and only entered for shits and giggles
3 likes52:16 - That mans shirt is legendary.
7 likesTruly, the angels came down to watch the gods play.
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lol
0 likesAlso gottem’
0 likesI'm betting the "5 Gods" was taken from the Japanese Street Fighter scene. The Smash community saw it, liked it, and created their own.
2 likesHungryBox's turn to become the antagonist of Brawl really reminds me of the turn Dwayne Johnson made with The Rock
2 likesI was watching for 2016 and I was so ready for Hungrybox, a puff main like me to get an EVO win! To the best in the world!!
0 likesI may not be a old head like others but one thing I learned from this video is that Hungrybox is and by far one of the strongest people I've ever seen on this shathole of a planet we live in and, I hope one day he can have peace with the shit of haters of the smash community because once he gone they gonna be begging him to come back "because of their boredom" (or whatever the flack they say) who are highly skilled players who spend their lives practicing on this damn whatever of a game this is and, I applaud to everyone who do that because that takes a lot of time to achieve such level of skill to play at such levels. If there's one wish I had to say, I'd say 'I hoped they (the people who do tournaments like the one in the video) just never to forget to have fun. It's not about just being competitive, it's also to enjoy playing the game as well. If you can't enjoy playing a game, then why still play it? Why force yourself to play because others want you to, the only ones to control you and to truly make the decisions is you. Always think about yourself before doing anything, even if waking up in the morning to go to work. Whose says that you have to go to work, if you don't feel like doing it then don't, simple, buttttt you won't have money in the end, buttttt it's YOUR choice in the end sooooo yea. [<_<"] cough totally didn't do that so- cough yea
2 likesEasily one of the best videos I'v seen in a long time!
0 likesHungry box truly is the villain in a funny way but I love him for that😂
0 likesGreat video. Although I’m bias because ultimate is what got me into smash I think it is the better competitive fighter because it’s roster allows for more play styles
0 likesYou made me watch a full doc about something I don't really care about. What a well made film. Damn.
2 likesIf you take away Armada’s essentially guaranteed wins in Final Destination HBox pretty much trounced Armada and it’s patently obvious if you watch the GF and skip the two games fought on that level. Good job bro!
1 likeGreat vid. Would love to play my link against some of these guys just to see how i could hold up lol
0 likesThis video is a fuckin masterpiece man. Had me hooked from start to finish.
0 likesThis was a dope documentary! Great job
0 likesI've rewatched this so many times, I would grant this the title of film
0 likesHow are you such a good storyteller?!??!
0 likesThis is one of the best documentaries I've ever seen!
0 likesThe whole time I kept thinking that it was going to be like a 20/20 episode. "HungryBox finally snapped and murdered Mango..."
0 likesafter seeing this, if a big studio made a movie on hungrybox i would watch it
0 likesI clapped after finishing this video. Thanks Emp ✨💖
0 likesA good documentary takes something as obscure as professional wrestling or Melee, and makes it interesting to the average normie
1 likeThat 2016 run was really quite mesmerizing.
0 likesHbox is the only person I can stand to watch play competitive melee and I was on the train as soon as I heard the madlad was maining Jigglypuff
0 likesFor a game i have never seen before or played, this is rather intresting
1 likeHungrybox is the only reason why i play any smash games. He gives off so much good vibes when the only thing he gets back is just terrible people lashing out on him for winning and achieving a goal in life literally even if he loses he gives handshakes and hugs, Dude is the epitome of kind. To this day ive tried to get better at Jigglypuff because i support Juan entirely.
1 likeThere should be a special prize for the first person at any smash tournament to make Leffen get so mad he cries and pisses his pants.
0 likesEven though this info is all found on the OG smash bros documentary you still did really great
0 likesfkn hilarious
2 likesand the exact reaction of a person whom you would want to throw a crab at 🤣
The puff transition was so good
0 likesLesson:1 Air dodge and a dream can change your life
2 likesThis was one hell of a ride. Gread vid!
0 likesDamn, the melee community is disgusting. Big shout-out to Hbox for his perseverance in pursuing his dream.
0 likesin his time there were 4 like him, now there was juan :)))))))))))))))))) epic
2 likesthere will Never Ever be another youtube video about Melee like "there will Never Ever be another Melee player like Hungrybox"
2 likesOk wait ive never been involved with melees competitive community since i was a child back then but how did people see that reddit exchange and think that hungrybox was the bad guy in the situation when mango is litteraly shittalking him even tho hungrybox isnt far behind him at all
1 likeAm I the only one that truly believes that hungrybox planned all of this from the very start in a sense of desperation he would do a really low low in a really high high when you work that hard you start to go crazy and develop insane strategies
0 likesHungrybox is the megamind of gaming
0 likesSorry for being about a year late, but
0 likesThis is the best Hungrybox video and I'm a bigger fan of him now
Never heard of HungryBox but im def a fan now. Sounds like a true underdog in his own community. in response to 1:15:30 I think that this situation with Hungrybox is the exact reason people outside smash look down on the community, I mean a group that despises its top player who brought more attention to the game is pretty self destructive. Probably why nintendo wont touch melee
0 likesRandom side note, I appreciate you using music from Pokemon Battle Revolution in the background. Arguably the best ost music ever made for a type of Pokemon video game
0 likesi always feel like the boring character was Fox, where's the fun when everyone play the same thing,
10 likes“A disgruntled spectator throws a raw crab at Hungrybox”
0 likes💀💀💀
This is very motivational 💙
0 likes"We were god's once, all of us! But here, there can only be one!"
0 likesHopefully... there will never ever be another melee player :0
1 likeI respected melee but I don’t play it I play more ultimate but I am a fan of Hbox. After watching this I respect melee and Hbox so much more great video.
0 likesThis is amazing.
0 likesdamn it was such a good content
1 likeArmada looks like a living animated character lol
0 likesHungrybox sounds like a fucking legend.
0 likesu explaining what is the "sickness" is awesome, what a concept haha
0 likesI hated smash bros because I am bad at it. Still I watched all of the video because you kept it interesting. Thanks I want to play smash now!
0 likesAwesome video man!
0 likesSure I’d want to see someone with 66 tournament wins lose once but I don’t understand the hate it’s just, mad cause bad. Wish I would’ve been into smash tournaments when I was younger, Hbox is a hero and way better than the others for beating top players with Jiggly, I never liked Jiggly but after seeing this video I have respect for it
0 likesI’ve literally never heard of these people before but seeing “Mango”, the #1 player in 2013, respond to someone saying “I don’t respect you as a person but I respect your skill” with “LMAOOOOO UR BAD KID GET REKT” says a lot
2 likesTaking me back with the mountain dew and doritoes, good memes.
0 likesMan the intro songs unlocked some real deep memories from me. Was not expecting that and the entire time i was thinking what the fuck what is this song i know it!
0 likesThe HBOX hate expressed throughly in the latter half of the video is in my opinion, "The Community couldn't get over Heel, so they give Hell to Juan."
1 likeHungry for a box full of mangoes.
1 likeThought there would be an explanation of the man who threw the crab. The bucket metaphor makes sense but why did THAT guy do it?
0 likesSounds like H-box is the Floyd Mayweather of Melee
1 likeI was there when hbox won GameTyrantExpo 2017, which was apparently the biggest prize pool in the history of melee tournaments, $30,000! 1:01:01 I even got a photo with him and then asked mew2king what he thinks of Utah. He said it sucks there’s no scene here at least compared to Cali or Florida. Overall I will never forget the memories I made that weekend and will forever have a part in melee history.
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So uh I might be wrong about GameTyrantExpo having the biggest prize pool in history, probably yea. However I heard it often before the tournament back then 2017. I dunno
0 likesOkay, this is going to be a long ass comment, so please ladies and gentlemen, grab your popcorn and your drink of choice.
8 likesFirst, I don't care about Super Smash Bros. I played it on the N64 and that was it. So I couldn't care less about Melee, and yet, here I am, having spent one hour and twenty four minutes watching this. So, congratulations to Emp for the amazing documentary. You managed to make someone who doesn't follow the game at all, and who never played it (Melee) not only watch it, but care about it and relate to it.
Second. Hungrybox has been winning like a monster, yeah? Yeah. But for each win he has, he probably has an equal amount of losses, if not even more losses than wins. Not only that, but he does so with a character that isn't played competitively by most top players. Furthermore, although he USED to have emotional outbursts, that has changed, he has changed, and so this cannot be considered as a reason to 'hate' him (I'm assuming people use that as an excuse to hate the guy).
This is different from some people being champions for years even though they are not that good (they may have been, but declined and managed to keep winning because of their team or their gear). No, this isn't a fluke. Hungrybox's success is result of literal YEARS of grinding, of training, of practicing, of dedicating himself to this game. Of course he keeps his Jigglypuff knowledge a secret, I would do it as well! Because it was HIM who, after painstakingly grinding, managed to acquire such knowledge.
So TL;DR, Excellent video, Hungrybox good, the guy deserves it, cheer him on folks and before I forget: I'm already a fan, Hungrybox.
Thank you for your attention.
Its so sick that jigglypuff is that high ranked because of Hungrybox xD
0 likesidk what I'm doing on this video. Melee is the one smash game I've never played and probably never will, and i've never cared about the competitive scene. And yet, here I am
1 likeHungry box when mad is like facing a lvl 9 cpu after you taunt. They always seem to hit everything frame perfect. If you don’t believe me try it & when i say try it I mean don’t play campy either
0 likesi watched this entire video this is fascinating
0 likesI can sorta understand someone throwing something at a player who doesn’t like the outcome of a match. But who the fuck just carries a fucking crab into an arena
0 likesHow is HBox the last god. Mang still going strong, no?
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at the time he wasnt what he used to be but yeah that aged very poorly
5 likes10:31 so that's what mlg stands for
1 likeKen really should have gotten angry with the venue for handing the ROB player a better gaming chair
0 likesthis vid man. actually amazing holy fuck this vid is so good.
0 likesHe is a true champion all the way. Those hater are just... lame hater. And those jerk make him a much better god champion that any others. Man, continue to smash them with your puff!
0 likesI'll never ever forget🧠
0 likes1:21:15 That's one heck of a quote
0 likeshundrybox is the reason jigglypuff isnt meta anymore xD
0 likes59:71 I cried ngl 😭
0 likesGot through the introduction of Hungry box and thought it was a good portion over then I looked at the length left
0 likesMe who plays Kirby because he can float.
0 likesguess you could say that crab made hungrybox awfully crabby
0 likesprobably top 10 best videos on the entire history of the youtube
1 likeThis video really is twenty minutes longer than the Talladega one huh?
0 likes53:00 the OG minecraft music that gives me as much nostalgia from ps3 days as I got from getting to rewatch evo 2016
0 likesI can't believe you snuck "PeePee M.D." in there lol
1 likeYeah but to be fair Zero had "reasons" to quit xD
0 likesI personally like Hungrybox because I also main Puff
0 likesBut in Ultimate
the demon comes out 😈
1 likeIt’s so weird to think the awkward kid on Survivor Gabon was hot shit in the Melee community for years
0 likesThe generation of miracles
0 likesCrap !...that was Awesome !
0 likesThe True Undergod
0 likesThis 1hour 24minutes video would have had the biggest plot twist if the Narrator was the one to threw the crab.
0 likesits 3am, never played smash in my life and i have school tomorrow
1 likealso me:
yea why not
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update:
2 likeswow that got pretty deep 💀 anyways gotta sleep and wow hungrybox is a fucking legend jesus
Go hbox!!!
0 likeshungrybox is like that mercedes f1 driver
0 likesI don’t have a lot of knowledge about competitive gaming other than what’s been shown here so correct me if I’m wrong please. But it seems that the difference between HBox’s Jigglypuff and Armada’s Peach is that during his era of highest exposure, Armada’s strategy was to use a workhorse Peach to get him to the show and then switch to a thoroughbred Fox to actually win it. This would mean that Armada’s absolute highest level of exposure and gameplay would still be with the “sick ass” Fox, while HBox would use that “gay ass” Jigglypuff at all levels of play. Armada wasn’t “embarrassing the community” on the highest stage but HBox supposedly was.
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Armada only ever played fox against hbox, leffen and ppmd the reason people enjoyed it more was because armada was much more active in neutral and his peach had a very unique and exiting punish game while puff's (mostly hbox's) punish game is very televised/Samey and hbox camped a lot in neutral.
0 likes@Noob From Canada Land Fair enough
0 likesHungry box does not deserve as much hate as he gets
0 likesJuan looked like an American Wilbur Soot in high school
0 likesIf this isn't real life anime. I don't know what is
0 likesYo he actually commented, what a legend
0 likesThe amount of hate he gets for no reason is unreal. Meanwhile Leffen acts publicly in an awful manner and apparently just gets away with it
0 likes4:46 odd crabs are usually a delicacy in laurel, whys he upset🤔
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Because he just got a crab thrown at him. If it hit him he could've gotten incredibly hurt
0 likesI have those Cactus shorts and is someone going to tell him he dropped his card lol at :29
0 likesThat crab wasn't raw.
0 likesnever cared about melee. im a die hard hbox fan now
1 likeThis video is SS tier
1 likeI have never been into the smash community but did people really dislike hungrybox just by the fact that he played puff? That's kinda stupid imo
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I think it was the time-outs, ledge stalling, bair camping, etc. There was some amount due to jiggs, but honestly that dropped away lately since he had been playing really dope. He hasn’t been playing well lately, but I hope if/when he returns to form he plays like he played in 2019.
10 likesThat's always been a bit of a strawman, if you talk to the majority of the community they would say they respect Hbox's skill despite his playstyle but the reason they dislike him is because his emotions seem so performative and he has a reputation for being an asshole to fans.
9 likes@Purple MonkeyDishwasher Honest hbox is out of practice when it comes to melee. I hate to say it but he's kinda washed.
3 likesPeople disliking Ness and sonic: sweating
0 likesThe real hate comes from back in the day when he was pulling puff post off smash boards and looking at opponents controller for di, in general it is said he is not nice to puff players and my friends played him in doubles and he was an asshole to them
1 likeNothing to do with puff
2 likesMost people are cool, it’s just a vocal minority. Basically everybody chose who would be the heroes and villains in the community, it’s all basically people playing parts.
0 likesI've gotten triggered by being up air comboed by Zelda on the Wii u but I definitely wouldn't throw a crab
1 like@ａｅｓｔｅｔｉｃ ビじト Hbox? Washed? Are you alright, mate?
0 likesAnd then they consider the fox mains God LIkE just because it was on the top tier, these ones never used another character for example
0 likesThat was a cooked crab
0 likesThis is emps best video ever better than leafywashere
0 likesI love that Shaq Fu was the example for a standard 2D fighting game.
108 likesThat genuinely made me laugh out loud.
Honestly how boring would the meta be if people just played that fox?
66 likesIt's grate that he's able to counter the fox and he deserves respect for that.
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People picked up Fox to counter him. If anything, he created more fox mains. Most characters can combo fox hard. Jigglypuff soft counters half the cast and hard counters another quarter. No one wants to play sheik against puff, peach is completely Un winnable, ice climbers lose, falco is okay but the matchup is largely unexplored. Pikachu loses bad and Marth just developed a game plan against puff. Samus loses
4 likes@Luke Rose ...and llod just beat hbox with Peach second time in round lol
1 like@Frei chan Only because Hbox is washed and lloD is insane
1 like@Luke Rose He didn't make more fox mains, he made fox secondary's. There is only a single top player who started maining fox as a result of jigglypuff (plup). The fact that there is only 1 good Puff player even further proves that. Almost no one is going to switch off of a character they have been using for YEARS to counter a character that no one uses except for 1 top player.
0 likes@MisCLiq Hbox was definitely the cause of Armada fox. Mango still only uses his fox for Hbox.
0 likesNow there is just Juan
0 likesThis, documentary I'm gonna call it, was actually hella inspiring and gave me loads of respect for this guy I had never even heard of XD
33 likes1:02:27 what is the name of that track?
0 likeswatching emp retell hungryboxes story really struck a cord within myself, watching him get broken down, and belittled every step of the way, yet rising from the ashes like a phoenix. it sparked some sort of long lost motivation in me
58 likes(Hears BGM) I see your a big fan of Pokémon.
0 likesI think the fact that he is the ONLY Jiggly , in the top 35, proves he is a great player, and it is not just due to JigglyPuff mechanics.
44 likesDefensive characters, are always seen in a negative light in fighting games. The reason being because they usually demand another player take initiative, in order for them to capitalize/counter... very often opting to camp, until the opportunity arises.
This can be seen as a very boring strategy, should the other player not take attacking initiative.
por eso tnego miedo de hacerme adicto a los juegos, me pondre gordo y problemas a mi corazon xd
0 likesI love how you painted Hbox as the connection between old and new melee, it’s really a beautiful thing to see.
82 likesTHAT HBOX MELEE COMPARISON BLEW MY GODDAMN MIND WHAT
212 likesHe says "raw crab" like 5 times but it's a maryland blue crab, and they only turn red when they're steamed
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Piping hot crab, then.
38 likesThis man the crab connoisseur
92 likesThank you for the crab clarity
32 likesThis is true, can confirm.
5 likes@Buddha i do
9 likes@Buddha Yeah same dude. Some of us want to be crab connoisseurs, thank you very much.
4 likes@MusicDev i love you all
0 likesI thought you said steamed hams.
1 like@Deadliest Vice lmao underrated comment
0 likesHmmm
0 likesFound the guy that works at Maryland
1 likeBut it had no SAUCE
0 likes1:15:17
71 likesAnd this is what I loved about Melee’s community (and Hbox). The resilience and dedication to the Game.
Theoretically it should be stagnant- no updates, no support, everyone wants/expects it to die. No updates? Just dig through the rich code, have shifting metas based around playstyle, and adapt.
Many competitive games go through major metas people hate. CSGO had the AUG and pistols, LoL had the juggernaut and Ardent Censer, but Melee never really had a bad meta. Fox/Falco is always fast, Marth is always precise, Falcon is always hype, and the Dark Horse heroes like Axe and Amsa always have a place. And if we’ve always liked the game itself, why should we ever drop it?
Major love for the makers of this video, and major love for Hbox being the people’s champ without being “their” champ.
I rewatch this maybe once every couple weeks, and every time, I love how Emp lowkey roasts the smash community.
47 likesEmplemon happens to relate to putting your best effort in a community that rejects you. What better person to point out contradictions?
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Same here
0 likes"The Ice Climbers with their infinite combo"
210 likesah yes perfect game balance
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you're wobbling, try to keep your balance
23 likesif it wasnt balanced, tournaments can still ban certain playstyles or mechanics. In fact, there is a wobble combo that "bugs" the opponent, preventing him from taking action for the entire round, and generates an automatic win in most cases, and its easier to execute than a normal wobble. Its banned, and the community adjusts to it.
8 likesFurthermore, infinite wobble until the time runs out is also banned. Rules > game balance
@Random Schmid its not balanced, and its stupid it's been allowed at all
3 likesWobbling has been nationally banned at most tournaments for about a year now thankfully
2 likes@TigerStripedStealth only a year?
2 likes@elgatochurro you and OP are the average melee hater kids lmao. I'm an ult player but you're just being salty.
9 likes@elgatochurro IIRC no one has won a major by wobbling. You might be able to take a game against a highly ranked opponent, but gimmicky play like that won't win consistently enough to be viable.
7 likesJust don't get grabbed lol.
1 like@elgatochurro why didn't ICs win every tournament when it was legal?
3 likes@ARMTOAST why was it ever allowed in the first place?
0 likesI could see chain grabs and chain stuns in a combo... but just making A after a grab?
@светльо "average melee hater kids"
1 likeNot like the games seriously broken and lacks needed polish and balance
Tell me how cool it is to fall under pokemon stadium when theres no indication it can happen, or ness charging himself into a bomb through a glitch.
I've gained a new profound respect for Hungrybox, someone I know very little about until now. I've also gained a insane new pround respect for you. EmpLemon and SaveAsUntitled. For making this insane documentary that peaked my interest even though I've never played Melee. This is a masterpiece of a documentary and a extremely motivating story about perseverance.
24 likesLeffen: the word “EmpLemon” is banned from chat
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Imao leffen is such a baby
10 likes@Mister Metokur
5 likesYou tricked me thought you were actually Jim
For real?
1 like@Mister Metokur He's refrencing the fact that Leffen often bans words that lead to drama on his twitch chat. He, for example, has Hbox and "Gay" banned from his chat (even tho he's fine with calling people autistic and retarded).
20 likesI imagine a couple of people are going to bug him to watch this video, and he'll get annoyed by it. (Tho realistically he'll simply say its too long and not bother)
I do think Leffen has good intentions, but he has a very strict Honesty > Niceness mentality that gets him in trouble a lot. Its why he's fine picking apart aspects of Hbox's personality that he doesn't like, he sees it as him doing him a favor when its really just rude. He cares more about what he says than HOW he says it...
I used to watch his streams a lot until I eventually realised I related to him a lot cause I shared a lot of his issues. I don't think he's horrible or anything, but I've kept more distance now as I slowly make myself a better person.
This whole Melee drama is kinda interesting, but like a lot of online drama, its very circle jerky and is a lot more subjective than people are led to believe.
I'm glad this comment section as a whole is agreeing Hbox deserves more respect, he's been dued it for quite some time!
@Alienrun finally a good comment, thank you sir
1 likeThat last section showing the similarities of Hungrybox and Melee itself is amazing. The melee community should grow hell up and realize this.
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But they probably won't.
4 likesKid's game. They never grew up and will never grow up.
6 likesThey won’t
0 likes@Connor Boling Seeing what Mango turned into over his years as the documentary went on kinda solidified that for me too.
0 likesThat's not a "raw crab." It's red. It is a cooked crab. Why do you keep saying RAW CRAB RAW CRAB RAW CRAB lol.
0 likes“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” -Theodore Roosevelt
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why tf did someone called Dio Brando appeared in the comments while I'm editing Jonathan's Victory Theme on Audacity and reading the comments?
5 likesThat’s a good quote but I thought you died
1 likenah m8, it's either DIO, or Dio Brando. Unless ur combining the two for some reason
0 likesArent you supposed to be dead
0 likes@Tartarus yeah
0 likesI had a teacher who had that quote in their class
0 likesBrene Brown uses this quote in her research in vulnerability and whole heartedness. Definitely good to look up her work if this quote resonates with you.
0 likesOk but thats more fitting to Jonathan Joestar
0 likesProbably the number one quote from a president in world history.
0 likesTeddy was something special.
Love that
0 likesI just believe that most of the melee community is filled with toxic people, but that's just an opinion of mine, though the community is kinda killing it's own game by being me to it's one last melee god
0 likesWhen Emp said that HungryBox is essentially carrying the torch of all the gods as the last god remaining it actually made me tear up a bit. The notion of a new generation rising within melee makes the future exciting and even more interesting to watch, but I also can't help but feel sad that Hbox in the grand scheme of things is pretty much the last one of his kind aside from some other players still trugging with interest dying out one by one.
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Agreed. As great as it is to see how much Melee is flourishing, it saddens me to think we may never really see the likes of M2K, Armada, and PPMD at the top again.
0 likesThe algorithm has blessed me this day.
0 likes0:00 Intro
177 likes5:55 Early History of the Franchise, & Competitive Scene
13:59 The Gods Vs. The Old Generation
15:22 Era of the Five Gods
22:33 Jiggly Puff Vs. The Meta
30:07 Hungry Box Vs. The Best in the World
46:31 An Emotional Hungry Box Talks About his Dad.
46:55 Hungry Box Vs. Juan DeBiedma
51:15 Clutch Box at EVO 2016
1:02:55 Hungry Box Vs. The Last of the God
1:05:03 Hungry Box Vs. The Melee Community
1:33:55 Hungry Box isn't Melee
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At 30:07 do you know what the song is?
1 like1:33:55 isnt even a timestamp
10 likes@spite meme sounds like a retro remix of Michael Jackson's Billie Jean
1 like@SkellyArtzidation s Yee thanks I already found it but thanks anyway
0 likes@StealthKey that’s the whole point
1 like@StealthKey exactly
0 likesWhat is the song at 40:00
0 likes@The Kirbo Seller the bop is called nuclear flash mega man 2
0 likes@Sire thank you so much
0 likesIn a game where everyone else plays meta, this guy broke free of that meta on a char that was considered weaker than others and managed to win with that
67 likesI don't know of the guy personally, but having a toxic community attacks and belittle your achievements it will drive almost anyone to retaliate and have an "attitude"
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Puff hasn't been considered a weak character since mango started playing her at a high level
3 likesThe raw crab guy looks like Mitch Jones.
0 likesThis fuels my respect for one man and also fuels my hate for humanity
18 likesImagine being so angry you throw a crab at someone.
496 likesWhat did that crab even do to you?
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As someone who lives in Maryland, throwing a crab at someone is the most Maryland thing ever.
54 likesEven weirder
35 likesHow the hell did you sneak a Crab in there
@Another Random Kid The scent of sweaty gamers hides the crab smell
30 likes@Icarus B r u h
5 likes@Another Random Kid It's Maryland
1 like@Vhroom :/
0 likesIf anyone truly suffered it was the crab. MFer lost an arm, lol
4 likes@jacob stallard F's in the chat for the crab
3 likes@TuRtZ4LiFe yep, it's a staple of whatever this state is
0 likes@TuRtZ4LiFe nah wasting a crab isn't the most maryland thing ever
0 likes@Lord Martin I mean it was probably already eaten
1 likeEmp threw the crab, so he could make this statement and bring everything full-circle.
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Thats the best laugh i've had today, thanks mate.
0 likesThat crab isn't raw.
0 likesThis documentary actually shows a pretty interesting thing that's being discussed about in behavior and learning even to this day. Where literal practice will increase the neural pathways and the skill a person has based on the time they put into things. Most of the people in the world that have been attributed to being "gifted" or the like are almost seen to be untouchable but you've gotta realize that no one just gets to where they are due to no research, practice, or general knowledge of what they are doing. Anyone can do anything they set their mind to do. You just have to have a healthy mindset and the will to continue on even when you hit walls or failures, to assess what you're doing and how you're doing and always looking for improvement.
155 likesThat curiosity, that need to turn something you have up a notch is a drive that will get you further and further in life. We often see newer players coming out of the blue and dethroning older players. Some could attribute that to the older player just becoming older and reflexes declining. Which might be some of it- however I feel that the biggest thing is that the older players of games, the older teachers of mathematics, sciences, inventors, engineers and the like are these pillars that are laying down, or standing upon a foundation which others can see and eventually become equally apart of. Just have to keep it up and continue moving forwards, only look back for inspiration in your successes and to realize where you went wrong in your failures. Don't stay stuck within a rut and continue to be the best you can be.
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You just described m2k
3 likesAny person of average intelligence can become a world class chess player if they have a love for the game and start playing at an early age. Practice, and dedication is all it takes to master anything.
1 likeWhat an inspiring comment, a good mindset truly is the foundation to all you'd want to do in life
0 likesmy nickname for my dog is dr. peepee
1 likeDude this is what school should teaching us
0 likesThere will Never ever be another YouTube notification I click on faster than: EmpLemon
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Ssethtzeentach?
1 likeMaybe not but I will always click just as fast for summoning salt
1 likeSame dude
1 like52:17 guys hand to the right of the screen
1 likeFans who dont like h-box: *putting pressure on h-box*
353 likesH-Box who works better under pressure: *starts dominating harder but with a raw crab by his side*
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It's RAAAAAAAAW!!!
14 likesK D
7 likesImagine saying a character with moves like rest has no risk.
@Bleck Of Bleh dont forget that unbelievably combo-able air time
4 likesK D Yes cause there is no risk when you approach with a light weight character to perform rest, a move which only works if your character’s model touches the opponent, and if it misses you will be completely helpless such that you are almost sure to lose a stock.
0 likesI only recently discovered melees competitive scene. And as a jigglypuff main, i always thought i was mostly alone in that. This was so cool to see. And i have a lot of respect for hbox. You too emp. This was really inspiring and entertaining.
38 likesMan this is some history channel shit
0 likesOkay, I have no idea how this video was recommended to me. I don’t play Smash Bros. and I certainly didn’t know that people did it for a living.
252 likesBut this guy Hungrybox 🥺 I really feel for him and wish him the best
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Check out his Channel. He is a Fun dude.
4 likes@Felipe Pereira is
0 likesHe was the number one player, he has focused more on streaming and Smash bros Ultimate a different Smash game on the Nintendo Switch. I wish this year he would take Melee seriously again because he's recently been playing melee :D
2 likesStay far away from the Smash scene unless you're 21+. And even then...
0 likesyt translated the title to another language coz of my settings and now the title is goofy coz SOMEONE had "place dots on double spaces" enabled while they were making it, take a look at this load of crap:
0 likes"Nunca Mais terá outro jogador de Smash Bros. Melee igual ao Hungrybox"
am still dropping a like, noice content
Me when title comes up and music kicks in:
382 likes"That was the intro?!"
Got invested so quickly, good job, man
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This is the Kingdom Hearts 2 of YouTube Videos
7 likesI think the "Five Gods of Smash" comes from a similar concept within classic fighting games, in that the Five Gods of Fighting Games are Daigo, Tokido, sako, Haitani and Nuki. From what I've heard, these players started their God status with Vampire Savior (Darkstalkers 3), although most Americans are unfamiliar with that game and so most believe they started with Street Fighter III Third Strike instead.
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The five gods of melee is a direct reference to those gods. Defs borrowed it from our fgc relatives
7 likesSomeone lost their credit card.... 0:21
0 likesas soon as i heard Hungrybox yell "who threw this at me" i was outraged for him. HECK the guy who threw that, jesus
51 likesI’m just saying that as a Marylander, that’s not a raw crab
0 likes"-pushes the limits of what's humanly possible with a controller."
658 likesI'll have you know I play Farming Simulator on console.
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Truly a God amongst men
30 likesyou madlad
10 likesHe's too powerful to be kept alive.
22 likes@TK 421 :)
0 likesAre you too used to a console to play a farming simulator on pc or phone?
0 likesYour goals are beyond my understanding
0 likes@Hypertech 116 he said console bruh
0 likes@McPeanut I know but I think simulators are best played in PC or mobile because controllers are for action games.
0 likesFor me the Super Mario series games are action games.
@Hypertech 116 with enough planning and skill any game can easily be played on a controller (even if it is a bit frustrating to learn)
0 likes@Sadakos_WellWater yeah farming simulator doesn't need much skill unless it's a funny physics one
0 likesYOOOO another dude with a toucan pfp
2 likes@Hypertech 116 have you ever played farming simulator
0 likes"I'm playing this game (Dark Souls) with a USB steering wheel." - videogamedunkey.
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1 likeBeautiful...
0 likes52:15 "best dressed"
0 likesI want to be like hungry box
501 likesThis guy: you will never be like hungrybox
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You will be hungry,
25 likesBut you will never be Hungrybox.
Hungrybox: as long as you simply make the decision to not give up, things will get better.
34 likes@LordBowler i wish i could like a comment over and over
1 likeKier Make multiple accounts
0 likesHe is not killing the game, he made me want to play and here I am, i started 1 week ago and i LOVE this game, im really noob, but its to fun i cant stop!
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I love melee too :D
2 likeshell yeah who you maining
1 like@anon anon I’m missing out since I was born in 2007
1 like@Tytar 2 blippi.gg
2 likesmelee has never been easier to get into than right now dude you could be the next Hbox if you really wanted it
@Tytar 2 anyways ultimate is the future
0 likesI picked up melee via the 20XX training pack just a few weeks ago and now I’m going to local tournaments for sun!
0 likesWhile I'm not a competitive or even good melee player, I firmly place the Ice Climbers, with their lame-ass infinite, at the bottom of the sick list. It may be technical and difficult to execute, but it's boring as hell.
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It aint hard to execute lmao
4 likesyou literally grab and press a how is that technical or difficult
2 likesJust take it out of the sick list lmao it doesn’t deserve it
0 likesMy question is why didn't they ban Ice Climbers from tournaments, they banned Meta Knight in brawl because he was broken, but they didn't ban Ice climbers in Melee even though they can just grab someone and ctrl alt delete them into the blast zone.
5 likesSo, yes they should get placed at the very bottom of the sick list, better yet, they don't even deserve it.
@Burning Marshmallow melee players are extremely resistant to change of rulesets in any way
2 likes@swank Honestly, how am I not even surprised at this point.
0 likes@Burning Marshmallow if it means anything, wobbling is now banned at most tournaments, and ics without wobbling is a pretty cool character
1 like@swank Oh cool, thanks.
0 likes@Burning Marshmallow meta knight wasn't banned across all tournies majors still had him legal
0 likes@Roman DeMann Oh, interesting, thanks.
0 likeswhats the music at 39:37 it slaps
0 likesCompared to this masterpiece, the new melee documentary just sucks. THIS is how you tell a story. THIS is relatable, inspiring and makes me want to play melee
18 likesBefore this video: "lol Melee is so old, why do people still play this game"
1870 likesAfter: "C L U T C H B O X "
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Melee is the best game in the series dont @ me
28 likes@Mike Marks lemme @ you to say that you're correct
28 likes@Golder06 I still own a gamecube specifically to play melee its amazing me and my brother still play it every night
9 likes@Mike Marks Imma @ you to say I prefer ultimate but your opinion is completely valid and I respect you because your most likely not a serial killer or something else awful.
15 likesMike Marks I’m starting to like the feel of melee more and more and I haven’t even battled a human yet. I wonder what I’ll feel if I start playing against other melee players.
6 likesAs of writing this I’m also liking Ultimate less and less but maybe that’s because I’m not focusing on one character and get cheesed a lot more easily because of it. But maybe melee will be the same.
Saaaaaaame
0 likesMike Marks Nah mate ultimates better, it has the same competitive balance as melee, if not better, and it has a lot of casual advantages, and is just overall more balanced, oh yeah a the story mode is pretty good too. I feel like ultimate is just brawl and melee put together but better.
0 likesMike Marks having a game cube just to play melee is illegal in my book, you should also have double dash
2 likesGX Shatering world of light wasn’t good at all tho or even a story mod, ultimate is the future, but melee will always be the best competively
0 likes@GX Shattering Ultimate's online game has some issues
0 likes@Fer Mosquera Miranda Some issues is an understatement.
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What song plays at the 40 min mark?
0 likes31:50 what is the name of this song?
0 likesIt's worth mentioning that Brawl even has a "feature" that adds a random 0, 1 or 2 frames of delay to every single one of your inputs, which is why something felt off for so many people.
70 likesProject M in its early days (but not for quite a while) would be the one to finally find and remove this behavior.
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Sometimes I really do wonder what the fuck Sakurai was thinking with Brawl.
5 likes@Verd They saw what Melee had become and panicked a bit, not wanting it to happen again, so they backpeddled to make it as casual as possible so that it wouldn't form a competitive scene like Melee.
6 likes@Verd
0 likesSakurai was thinking about casual players, and prioritised their enjoyment over the competitive scene, even adding things in to sabotage competitive play, such as tripping.
Unfortunately, he forgot to bring balance to the roster, and left it in darkness.
The darkness, of course, being a shadow cast from the cape of a certain blue puffball, as he glides over and under the stage, ready to rain down a bombardment of attacks enforced with transcendent hit priority.
the even greater irony of brawl was that it's still better than 4
1 like@Dinkeigh
0 likesAhh. Smash 4.
Most notable for letting little Diddy drop, only to later replace the problem he presented with a bigger one; Bayonetta.
It's like all the balance issues that Diddy had were involved in a trade, like a stock exchange.
Also the fact that Meta-Knight's attacks were nerfed too hard to the point where his attacks weren't reaching out as far as the animations would lead one to believe
“In his time there were four others like him. But now, there’s just Juan”
105 likesWe see you out here with the puns
Yep sounds like maryland.
0 likesHome of the crabs baby.
I myself do find Puff gameplay to be boring, but I respect those who put a huge amount of effort to claw their way to the top. I respect Hbox greatly, even if I don’t enjoy watching him.
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It does take a great amount of effort to ledge grab stall a timer. Very respectable.
5 likesThe only gameplay shown here that looked like it would be boring to watch was the puff vs puff fights, but it seems like those don’t really happen at that level since he’s the only top player maining puff
12 likesBefore he started stalling they were the matches were insane and he to many sets just straight up out footsieing the other 4.
1 like@Synmer you're talking as if all mango does is wavedash and shoot lazers. shut up. you've never watched an hbox game in your life, and it shows.
6 likes@Synmer Lol, you sure showed us. We just didn't think about that before. You are the messiah of arguing about 20 year old party games
1 likeHungrybox, if your watching, Thank you for devoting your life to pure determined perfection of your heart felt main! The strife against the hate only propels you further as a god, then some others that got the love. We are all persecuted and can relate to your persecution. Your humanity through adversity glistens as example for the rest of us to strife and aspire to be!
71 likesSo...you meet serious content now?
0 likesWhen the fuck did you stop doing ytps?
The music in this video is absolutely perfect. You captured so many complex emotions. That in the zone music... That earthbound spiritual trip music at the end, the classical music for the unsatisfying triumph... That Battle Revolution focus...
66 likesActually, the story telling is so incredible. The editing is incredible. The impartiality is incredible.
I kid you not, this might be my favorite movie of all time. The kind of upbringing hbox had is always on my mind when I think about how "villains" in society form like they do.. The image of smash in the eyes of the fighting game community hits so close to home, as I had to overcome the desire to fit in and be "adultlike" before realizing what I thought to be childish nostalgia bait is actually the most sincere material that is, this applie in life philosophy in general. Seriously Emp, you have me up until 4:30. Super Smash Bros Melee has one of the greatest Legacies of any sport or similar practice in history, when considering the context of Bayo successfully killing Smash 4 at the same time ect... Few games have that same unique cult driven spirit. Old School Runescape is the only other thing I can think of that comes close. It's a game where people willfully grind their lives away with terrible graphics, only because the community has a story like no one else.
Difference is that you can boil melee down to just a few characters. Amazing.
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Andrew Prahst the 8 bit cover of billie jean was in great taste
0 likesWhat I love about melee is the storylines. This video was made by one person and only about one (legendary) player. I can see a full documentary made by the best production studios about the whole story of melee. And it would be the best documentary ever.
0 likesYou showed the melee metagame and community in such a good and accessible way, good job
19 likes"In standard fighting game"
387 likespromptly shows Shaq Fu
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Ah yes, Shaq Fu. The pinnacle of entertainment
2 likesThe memes of all memes
0 likesit could be worse, he could had shown jump force
2 likesHungrybox!
0 likesgood video
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