You Can't Escape LINUX! It's EVERYWHERE!

Nope. Linux administrators are becoming DevOps if they wanna be more valuable to the business :)

Joel Robert Justiawan waiting for windows 9

It is updating

For games so...?

@アリアダストホライゾン Linux.



Windows 10, get out. No!!

@Joel Robert Justiawan But why? It's my choice because it's the one I'm mainly using. I'd use Linux but probably on a VM or WSL 2 just to test the waters.

But you're a fanboy eh?

@アリアダストホライゾン Linux soon to be dominate games support. Windows will hook up by thread thanks to WSL.

@serversC13nc3 well it would be very interesting to see games to run on Linux.

But for me, I'd still run games in their known environment that most would run, which is Windows. I know it's shortcomings and I believe privacy is dead so I don't care much about the telemetry and the other stuff.

@アリアダストホライゾン Well most of the people doesn't want to learn linux just to play games, some gamers doesn't like bothersome installation. It depends to a person who using it. I'm looking forward to it about linux stable enough to play tripleA games, since linux are very efficient when it comes to resources unlike windows. I like to see the comparison of linux gaming and windows gaming in the future when linux got much better in gaming performance with 100% optimized GPU card support since this is the only issue I've seen for now.

WSL and POSIX: Are we a joke to you? We are Linux as well.

@serversC13nc3 yeah I don't want to go through hell on how to install games if Proton/Wine can't work around with it.

I think Windows will still be relevant in the future and it will. Linux will definitely become a contender as development continues. Just need a 'standard' distro but that won't happen.

@Mark Arca WSL is virtual linux btw

@アリアダストホライゾン idk. Maybe.
I want real Linux desktop also popular

@Joel Robert Justiawan well Linux is already popular. It would be insulting if it's not. Just not that widespread unlike Windows which has been enjoying that widespread use for now.

Both operating systems matter because they're being used by almost anyone. Yeah Microsoft can be a dick but what can I complain about?

Real figures..

Server Infrastructure - Windows 72.8%, Linux 13.2%, Unix 5.6%
Desktop - Windows 87.62%, Mac O/S 9.4%, Linux 2.4%.
Smartphone - Android ( Heavily modified Linux Kernel ) 86.1%, IOS ( Heavily Modified BSD Kernel ) 13.9%

Thats where it counts...

@serversC13nc3 sigh... so WSL is compatability layer and it has none of the finer features of things like direct x, it was written to improve croww compatability with linux binaries... it does not mean that game development is going to switch to linux..

@jnex26 server infrastructure is 99% Linux. Where did you even get that absurd number from lol? And btw running Windows on a VM is super costly cause it takes so many resources to run. While Linux is so lightweight after stripping down the desktop libraries that it can run on a toaster (and probably does somewhere in the world)

@Sahil P lets see ... hmm 25 years of being a linux certified professional another 20 years of being a windows certified professional .. certifications in aws, azure.
My jobs as a security consultant, infrastructure consultant and head of it for multiple companies... the technical forums I've lead and the conferences and key note speeches I have given ...

So I'm coming fro a pretty confident place how about you ?

I also forgotten... the actual figures too

@Sahil P it depends what your running too ... php/Perl/lamp stack .. your vonna put that shit in linux, but .net thats going windows .. even by your figure azure would disprove you too .. so do your research server core is lightweight and efficient... linux has its good point but its not a market leader by any stretches

@Sahil P   ahhh I see an amateur statistician who does not understand the difference between a web server and a server, and references from 2013/2015 don't cut the mustard, especially where they are only referencing usage within aws..
So have something from 2019 ... and references the server market

https://www.statista.com/statistics/915085/global-server-share-by-os/

Now onto you other comments, let's start with docker and kubernetes

Firstly have you ever deployed a docker and kubernetes? What have you run on it... ?

Dynamic scaling... really whatare you talking about ???

Horizontal scaling or Vertical scaling

Let's start with horizontal scaling where your adding more machines to a farm of existing machines to service requests, is this natively windows or linux .. neither its a function of the application.

Vertical scaling this is adding more resources to an existing machine... interestingly enough this is a feature of azure but not aws.... windows has tho has had support for hot add cpu since server 2012 and memory hot add has been a function before that too.

Disk scaling is frankly easier in windows than Linux, no partition expansion than expanding the like system.. just one little powershell..

Ahh onto .Net so this does depend on what versions of .net your talking about dot net core ( which does run on linux ) or .net, for webservices it is a growling platform, php does not hold a candle to either .net or .net core for performance and this is down to complication vs interpretation.

Its also very difficult to get reasonable marketshares statistics so I pulled out job boards and on average. More companies were looking for Net developers than php with a factor of 70/30.

Idk, but there are some distros that are designed for cyber security and hacking like Kali Linux, Parrot OS and BlackArch. I don't think CentOS is recommended for hacking or like you say, cyber security learning. But the choice is upon yours.

CentOS is more aimed at servers, what you are going to want is any desktop distro and then install your tools on. Or you can use the distros mentioned by the other comment that has the tools pre-installed. Also blackarch repositories can be added to an arch Linux system if u want to choose the tools you want to download

Everything on linux can be run on every distro. But specialized distros come preloaded with specialized applications for time saving. Choice is yours how you want to do what. Just use kali as most of the tutorials or courses are based on this distro and comes preloaded with everything you need to get started.

CentOS is based off RHEL which is for servers. For hacking, people use either debian (think ubuntu, kali) or Arch linux (Blackarch, arch itself). The latter is known to be more intimidating for newbies but has more control for professionals. Just use debian.

Parrot is Great. I wish it had a larger community.

Absolutely

Bash scripting is hella useful for hacking and linux helps further your understanding of underlying systems. So yeah, it's good

> intermediate competitive programmer
hacking requires a different set of skills than competitive programming, I'm concerned
but yeah starting with Linux is a good first step to understand stuff

Where you getting your information.. the original windows predates linux by about 6 years and the monolithic kernel (nt) hit shelves in the same year...

Linux has always been a competitor to UNIX not Windows, linux has done more damage to unix than windows on the desktop mac os is a better competitor and that has its root in freebsd

There have been inroads in the last 10 year to bring the better points of the linux kernel to windows, but these are cherry picked features.

i've switched from windows to elementary os a month ago, the only thing you have to overcome is the feeling afraid of terminal.

Try Linux Mint. It is very like Windows and not a resource hunger, run perfect on old computers. If you have a more modern computer then try rolling release distros like Manjaro for example, you will always get the newest version of your software automatically.

@Daffa Pradana Terminal can be very strange and sometimes scare the user. But if you use it in right way and carefully, it will be a useful tool for your everyday works. And sometimes, do on the terminal is make work faster than do with graphical programs.

@Dang Hoang Tuan agree

On my experience I start exactly where you are. I begin using Linux mint since grade school then I start using backtrack Linux & parrot for advance. And now I'm using Kali Linux. I recommend Linux mint or Pop OS. Both light and easy to install

@John Angelo De Joya I am don't know anything about Linux I want to learn ethical hacking can I start with parrot os

@Patel Deep Ya can try, but I recommend you get familiar with normal debian based linux distros first. One thing is that some distros are lightweight (e.g linux mint) while ParrotOS and Kali have basically bloatware if you don't know how to use the tools.

If you're beginner to ethical hacking, start simple. Things to learn are Python, Networks and linux commands. Don't be a script kiddie and go straight to the tools, you'll understand nothing.

If you are a beginner switching from Windows, use Linux Mint. It's desktop is similiar to windows.

@DerpyThe Cate I don't want to be script kiddie but I want to direct learn Kali or parrot I don't want to waste time in other distribution can I direct learn Linux with parrot

@oscwav's comment account thanks

Distro hop

Ubuntu for easy installations, PopOS are good for laptop users with discrete cards. Try learn by install application from terminal for starters, if there is an error, research! There is a google.

@Patel Deep right .. installing linux is not the place to learn ethical hacking ... start with learning the computer subsystems, Understanding networking hell just start with a simple high level coding... like pushing data in and out of the memory ...

No, for example iOS is powered by FreeBSD core

I am not talking about all

by using it

@z basically

Get a linux fundamentals book, or if you like hands on, you can spend your weekends brute forcing a project e.g a LAMP stack for web development using apache2. You'll someway or another use all the base commands and learn extra things like networking etc.

Use one of the greatest tools you should already be very familiar with if you have ever programmed... Google©

By installing it

Install it on your PC and learn to install by using a terminal, when there is an error. Research! Google it, there are a ton of community you can ask for help. Then when you familiar with Linux architecture, better read some book about linux fundamental, there are a topics which you can relate where you were doing, this is the starting point that you will likely to work on linux like scripting, programming, building apps until that time you made your first linux distribution. Tips " Don't STOP LEARNING!"

Now they do

If linux become popular then almost every new game will come for linux

@GamerzEra yeah, but it will take some time for them to get into the gaming industry

@GNU pluse User name why would waste another $500 when I can use $800 to buy a laptop and play games, write codes, do development work, store photos, do projects and all other stuff

Well they are two different things debian is run by a community where as red hat owns redhat linix and fedora fedora uses rpm .
well sorry if i said anything wrong i am a noob on Linux

Just different packaging formats, that's all. DEB packages are used by Debian and derivatives, while RPMs started out of Red Hat, isn't exclusive to RHEL or Fedora. It doesn't mean it's locked-in either. Plenty of packages in the AUR extract DEB packages and repackages to .pkg.tar.* packages.

they are basic formats of packages that is integrated in linux distro, but at the same time can be use in other distro. I've seen rpm can be install on debian using alien build-essential or something.

It you gain knowledge or benefit from it, it's mean you didn't waste anything bro

Each distro behaves too differently for a single attack method to work :( Banks may use a specialized one while consumers like you and me use standard Ubuntu, Arch or RHEL. With each distro comes with different services built-in and hence accessible ports to attack

Isn't that the exact definition of a situation where u should maybe start learning it ?

@Gamer Blank i mean there is specific situations where other oses are superior

@blox There's no objective superiority - just what's good for the use case. That being said, Linux is catching up in the consumer market. No one's forcing anyone to switch, but however we do wish to reduce the toxicity revolving around uninformed accusations and tribalism just to satiate egos.

Where should we start..?

@Wolverine Hahaha, you'll be here forever if you had to answer him

@BlueGuest222 Amazing, how nice you are to answer his question...