The theory isn't completely disproven, it's just that Grogar is still stuck as a constellation. After all, Grogar is real. Discord said so himself - "They got the Real Grogar's Magic from the bell!"

@Nicholas Johnston But if you were a psychopathic villain, you also would probably want to see evil win again; even if it's not by your hands. . . Hoofs?... Cloven hoofs. Yea.

Yeah but there’s no proof that even if he was in the stars he would help nightmare moon


I just had a thought, so nightmare moon was released by something to do with the night, the stars.
So when the cutie mark crusaders started to act chaotic, that is when discord could be released. It could be possible that to be released from a spell you have to have aid by your type. (If that makes sense)
Stars released Nightmare moon
Chaos released Discord.

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Interesting theory, Sawtooth! It's certainly plausible that Grogar was banished to space similar to Luna, though it probably would have taken a great deal of power to do it. Also, there's apparently an MLP comic story where Discord's dangerous "ex" Cosmos was banished and imprisoned in a constellation, got out, caused a lot of trouble, and was eventually banished (again) to the moon. If it happened to two MLP characters, it could probably happen to Grogar as well. <br>Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us! ^_^

Interesting theory, Sawtooth! It's certainly plausible that Grogar was banished to space similar to Luna, though it probably would have taken a great deal of power to do it. Also, there's apparently an MLP comic story where Discord's dangerous "ex" Cosmos was banished and imprisoned in a constellation, got out, caused a lot of trouble, and was eventually banished (again) to the moon. If it happened to two MLP characters, it could probably happen to Grogar as well.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us! ^_^


Something that bugs me about "Suited For success" is that Twilight's dress incorrectly shows the constellation "Taurus" as the constellation "Aries". Taurus is the bull, and is two pronged in its pattern, but Aries is no and is like a line.


I like this theory. But still a question remains. Who wrote the prophesy that nightmare moon would escape with the aid of the stars? Was it Gusty herself? Did she know this would happen when Luna was banished?

Would Gusty have been alive when Luna was banished? I mean... Tirec is oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold, and even he only heard LEGENDS! I personally think that it wasn't Gusty

i think that celestia wrote the profecy. If you think about it, she was the one who banished nightmare moon.  Plus she would probably  know about stars aiding in her escape. If its trough family or dusty herself. She would probably have been able to cast some sort of age spell.

It definitely wouldn’t be Gusty because their timeline is a lot older and ancient than that of the two sisters. So it could be that she predicted it. Never expect anything less from a great unicorn as her.

Twilight & friends (as in her Cutie Mark) though that may only be about releasing Luna from the Nightmare Moon.<br>Yes, supposedly something about the stars helped her out. I just thought it simply took the stars a thousand years to be in the right position. Whether that "stars" is Grogar… ah who knows.

Twilight & friends (as in her Cutie Mark) though that may only be about releasing Luna from the Nightmare Moon.
Yes, supposedly something about the stars helped her out. I just thought it simply took the stars a thousand years to be in the right position. Whether that "stars" is Grogar… ah who knows.

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I've always assumed Celestia did. She new her sister would get out

OOOOOOOH GOOD POINT even tho I know nothing about the new season, I dont watch it so much anymore XD sorry to disappoint you fans


I always thought Twilight accidentally brought nightmare moon back because she had stars in her cutiemark


I don't know if you stated this in a previous video so I'm putting it here: I didn't think that the Cutie Mark Crusader so much "pushed" Discord to escape, but rather Discord started being able to "irradiate" disharmony as the spell was wearing out since the elements of harmony found new bearers. And I was actually also putting the first Grand Galloping Gala events on Discord's back, as him being the reason why the mane six got so mad over little things to the point it spiraled out of control. We don't see that at all happen since the attempt at reforming Discord (but then the show was under other scenarist's control), but these two events and the double episode with Discord left me thinking his character was designed with that power to irritate chosen characters's nerves to make them argue for nothing. Sooo... idk what to do "now", I mean since he's reforming, maybe he does have this power and maybe he's just not using it at all because he's reformed enough to stop with this habit at least, or maybe with a new team of scenarists the idea wasn't actually stated or pursued... (maybe I did already comment this in another video, I can't remember)


I think I might have a theory about how Nightmare Moon escaped from the moon. I think that, indirectly, Twilight caused Nightmare Moon's escape. What I mean, is that her presence, the presence of someone who was ready to accomplish something that not even Celestia could do, triggered something. As Sawthoot said stars are like agents. And those agents, could be guided by the three of Harmon as it sensed Twilight getting closer to the elements, giving them new bearers as well as new powers (since I think the elements are more effective if used by more that just one. That would also explain why Celestia didn't release Luna from her nightmare corruption). So, long story short, the tree sensed Twilight's magic and moved the stars to free Nightmare Moon, so that she could defeat her and give the elements to new protectors of Equestria


The grogar in season 9 is discord in diguise  and there is a legend about him in mlp but the original is probably still there in the sky


I just imagine the MLP producers like: “ Ok we’ll make random nonsense and let all the fans create logic “

@*Aura_Flower* yep. Send them a package and everything

Isnt that exactly what happened with grub hub, they just made their stuff then food theory happened.

꧁𝕎𝕠𝕝𝕗𝕪 𝔸𝕟𝕟𝕒𝕝𝕚𝕤𝕒꧂

BlackWing why is there black wing and then silver wing?

No Wait Like This <b>Trikes smoke bom</b> AND then what u wrote

No Wait Like This *Trikes smoke bom* AND then what u wrote

I do remember Lauren Faust saying "not everything is rooted in logic"

Lauren even said she doesnt hammer logic too hard in the show

Why did the stars aid night mare moon. I think its Grofar

I have been thinking about that too! What if it is true?

That sounds right, I've noticed (not just in MLP) that producers sometimes - not always - use fan theories, fanfics, etc for future episodes and stuff.

That totally something the producers would do lol

That sums up the Fnaf game series too lol

@Just Some Pony with a Mustache yeah Call of Duties Zombies, a game NOT focus on lore and only goal is to get people to play. So they don't need the details like a show does.

It’s a good idea if you think about it. It worked for Call Of Duty Zombies

I think that's EXACTLY what's happening rn tbh


Sawtooth Waves: "Look at this theory!"
MLP FiM: hippity hoppity i will destroy this property

Sawtooth Waves: *"Look at this theory!"*
MLP FiM: *_hippity hoppity i will destroy this property_*


There's a problem I noticed on the constellation part. While the sky has 4 stars which you claim to be Aries/Grogar, the constellation on the dress has 5 stars. And, as we all know, 4 does not equal 5. Just a thought.


If I’m ever having a bad day, this dude is the cure. The recreation of a great day for me. I am addicted to his channel. Best brony ever 🥺


Maybe each sign has a very powerful entity in that realm, and Grogar just helped her out from the stars. Grogar isn't out yet because discord transformed into him. Grogar could be the Aries dude. A type of magic with reign of the stars


But that's just a theory! A PONY THEORY!

But seriously, you never fail to make great theories.

OMG THAT'S ALWAYS THE END OF A FILM THEORY EPISODE

Hey I see what you did there! A fan of film theory I see.

@Vixen Dowling How did I never think of that. And it works perfectly, as this is something that would go on<br>Film Theory rather than Game Theory (lol image) or Food Theory (oh god no).

@Vixen Dowling How did I never think of that. And it works perfectly, as this is something that would go on
Film Theory rather than Game Theory (lol image) or Food Theory (oh god no).

You missed a wonderful opportunity....

A FiM theory

@Sawtooth Waves what did u think of what actually happened after you just theorized this was going to be where grogar came from

@ShootingCipher Yep. Also kinda from some of Brony Notion's previous videos.


6:19 - 6:47 makes SO MUCH sense, and even though I'm still not sure Grogar aided her escape, I'd like to believe he's trapped in the stars -- but then at 6:48 you get caught up in that thing Dr. Wolf helps you with, which by the way makes total sense, except needless to say the show proved otherwise -- that you took the spotlight away from what I think is the most important thing you were getting at: 6:40 "an ancient, deeper magic; possibly stronger than the tree of harmony itself"
Fast forward to a new theory in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BE8DrLwQh0 (took a while to find it, tbh, I've been binging this channel and it's all getting molded into one, which is why I'm seeing the connections between old videos and new) where you say that the spirit of harmony is trying to target the friendship of magic in a new direction, a more powerful form of friendship that unites not just ponies, but all creatures...
and my point (sorry for taking so long, thanks for those who bared with me, if there are any even) is... perhaps those two powerful magicks are one and the same. The ancient powerful source of magic Gusty may have used was one of a higher friendship between all magical beings: the magic of harmony!


I think that all the mlp villains are just jealous of what the good characters have.


And now the whole "How come Grogar escaped" part is irrelevant because he never did


THEORY IDEA: I've been rewatching a lot of your videos and this sparked an idea. In ancient equestria we have figures like gusty the great and starswirl the bearded, and grogar capable of great magic. Later we have celestia and luna, powerfull yes, but not quite as the same level as those before then. Then 1000+ years after that we have twilight and starlight glimmer who, powerful in their own right, pale in comparison. And in the next generation movie, magic is all but gone in the begining limited to a few artifacts and sonny isn't even a real alicorn by the end. So what if magic is getting weaker. What if magic itself is fading. Or changing? What if, givin another 1000 or so years magic as we know it will be completely gone. Ps, sorry for long comment


Nightmare moon:*is banished*

Grogar: oh, hi.

Nightmare moon: um hi. Can you get me out of here?

Grogar: ok sure, it'll just take 1000 years.

@Itz Bee wtf rlly? Being that un-serious about taking over equestria? I don’t think so

I know it’s a joke but it might be true lol


just wanted to let you know I really love all the curiosity and especially the theories that you give


Wait,isn't grogar discord???I think discord just made things up so that it will sound convincing enough to convince crhysalis,cozy,tirek,and sombra to do bad things so that twilight can gain her "confidence" as what discord said.


I still feel like there's an untold MLP Episode where Twilight, Starlight and Princess Luna had to go back in time to help the Past Princess Celestia release Nightmare Moon for the whole Series to properly take place. <br>It would explain both the Disappearance of Celestia and give a great explanation as to what the 'Stars' were that aided NM's escape...

I still feel like there's an untold MLP Episode where Twilight, Starlight and Princess Luna had to go back in time to help the Past Princess Celestia release Nightmare Moon for the whole Series to properly take place.
It would explain both the Disappearance of Celestia and give a great explanation as to what the 'Stars' were that aided NM's escape...


Hi Sawtooth! Sure, this theory makes good sense but there's still something bothering me. I have heard in your videos that you speak as if it was really Grogar but, last time I checked, Discord admitted he was pretending to be Grogar and freed the villains himself...


This theory is no doubt going to be a good one

@Sawtooth Waves wasn't the returning grogar revealed to be discord in disguise?

@Sawtooth Waves
I have a theory of my own
Say, What about chrysalis,who she before?
What if the alicorn princess in the hearts and hooves day book WAS past chrysalis?,and she under went some magic transformation to become chrysalis,and if so what?,maybe the story happened long before the rein of the 2 sisters, so no pony knew how to reverse the love curse,and the consequence was the princess turning into a changeling,along with her civilization and wrecking the kingdom,after feeding off of the love,of course,think of cadence  and chrysalis of yin and yang-Cadandence brings love but chrysalis takes it,chrysalis can't feed her subjects if candenece doesn't bring love,and candenece can't bring love if chrysalis doesn't take it,I hope you note this:)
- Moonlight princess

Mlp theory: what if the time scroll (from season 5 final ) went back in time to where grogar was conquering equestria and somehow got the time scroll and went to the future similar how thanos went to the future

AGENT E 319 this has nothing to do with that

Actually this Theory is debunked sorry I will not spoil but I watched the series finale and ehh... OK I will shut up before I get attacked sorry again

AGENT E 319 BRO people haven't watched it yet! That's a huge spoiler for people who haven't seen it yet!

In the end
He is discord
Season 9 episode 24

@Sawtooth Waves my own theory to add onto yours in another way.

I still think there is one thing missing why is that the mountain where his bell is at stays strong enough to keep him from it. While the imprisonment of him breaks at a weak stat of him compared to him in season 9 currently. That means there is magic of unknown origin that even dusty the great could not match. So that means something keeps the spell going on while the other one breaks to a weaker grogar. The 3 chrysalis, tearek and cozy glow did something else that grogar couldn't do on his own with even the more power he had compared to all of them combined.  This means that that there is an unknown origin the of magic that is only active in the most dire circumstances. Now i feel like another theory is that the immense amount of raw power unknown is probably going to get tested later with the bell. Now how that is well is on one artifact like in doctor wolf video the alicorn amulet.  The bell alone with grogar was only rivaled by dusty the great. What would happen if the bell and the amulet with it  amplifying constantly over time what kind of power can be released when that happens to it's fullest extent. Now what if that unknown universe unwaved immense power of magic is the only thing that can rival the threat of that combination of the bell and amulets power as one entity not separately when it happens if it does. How would it deal with something like that. Not to mention how can it be tapped into i think lies in the 3 different types of elemental groups that can balance one another well. The key might lie in these 18 culturally diverse cultures from all walks of life and meaning the original as the strict and wise knowledge of things gone bye. The ones we know are the balance and harmony of only the local culture society. Now the new generation of the 6 are the harmony and culturally diverse communities of all walks with hints of old ones. I think when they work on each other perfectly they can overcome any boundaries.

 That is my theory of my own. Now mine is the end all of be all the knowledge never ends so if there is something missing we all can add on the information and knowledge together.

@Sawtooth Waves Sad thing is not gonna say any spoilers but season 9 finale is already on youtube in german.... it's subbed in english

Clinton Schroeder well discord is grougar

@Sawtooth Waves then again are there really any bad ones i mean someine came up with a theory about what the cmc where going to do after they got their cutie narkes and got it right but i think it was you that did it


Watching his recent theory, this theory made more sense if you exclude a couple of details


Grogar: I'm the most beautiful in the land
Me: dies of laughter

Grogar: I'm the most beautiful in the land
Me: *dies of laughter*

Well, if u died of lafter then you would not be able to type this comment, unless.... Ur GhOsT tYpEd It


I mean your theory could still be right, just with doc Wolf's part being wrong (poor doc..)

@emo 💪 No she didn't, she simply dropped a hint on twitter that it was Celestia, but the even the author cant just insert their own headcannon into the series thats not how it works, shes done it before only for the show to go in a different direction.

No, if you didn't know—Celestia released nightmare moon, Lauren Faust (I think that's her last name) confirmed it


The SHADE thrown at flat earthers was incredible. I havent laughed that hard at an MLP video in ages.


At least we now know that Luna wasn't alone all those years 🌙


I'm guessing this video and theory was made before the revelation of how, exactly, Grogar really...returned...came up. But I like the theory that he's a constellation and is the stars in question. Notably, the way his magic works with his collar has a very "stars moving" effect to it, and the collar itself could reference (albeit with a different number of stars) Orion's Belt, too.

Though it is worth pointing out that Grogar is a goat, not a ram. The crystal ball having a goat-eye doesn't make much sense, otherwise.

Still, again, I like the stars theory.


I still think that there's partly a debuff in this theory. I believe that from what I've heard, Grogar's banishment spell was weekend in season 9 when cozy glow sucks up all the magic from Equestria. Yet the Stars dated her escape AKA nightmare Moon, in season 1. How would Grogarbe able to help nightmare Moon before he was weekend of his banishment spell?


I don't know if this adds anything to the theory, but there is something I would like to add on for symbolism or whatever. In real mythology, Ares is the Greek god of war and violence. His half sister, Athena, represents the quote unquote 'better side of war' things like battle tactics, along with being goddess of wisdom and crafting. Now, compare this to Grogar and gusty. I obviously don't think the two are related in any sort of way, but let Grogar represent Ares (based on the whole constellation thing) and Gusty represent Athena. Grogar is known for his reign of Tyranny, he is well admired amongst the villains who know of him. He likely tried going to war with many other nations in a grasp for power, and he probably gained power within Equestria through battles. Meanwhile, Gusty is cunning, crafty and intelligent. She learned what Grogars power source was and she took advantage of it. Another thing is that, within his own pantheon, Ares was very disliked, even hated amongst the Olympians, whilst Athena was admired. Grogar, for those who know of him, is remembered as a terrible tyrant who stole magic from hundreds of ponies, and Gusty is more well known and admired for her many accomplishments.  Just some food for thought :)


I can’t imagine the moment sawtooth realised that discord pretended he was Grogar

TBH, the theory still works, in fact it works even better without the roundabout Cozy magic explanation


Though technically the theory is not dis proven it’s just Grogar never escaped from the stars

He might be in the stars but he didn’t set nightmare moon free

Yeah cause brogan was discord so…..? Yeah.

Yeah because right before the Mean 3 went for their final attack, they steal Grogar’s magic and “Grogar” turns into Discord, because Discord somehow freed the Mean 3

Wait you are right! That was really Discord.

@Princess Starlaixy Arixes
Gusty: Ha you are dead
Grogar: I am dead
Tirek: the Grogar is dead
Grogar: yes I am dead
Tirek: why is the Grogar is dead
Gusty: I don't know
Grogar: I think Grogar
Gusty and Tirek: Shhh you are dead
Grogar: Okay
Sombra: hey mates who's up for a.. what the bloody oats just happened (get it oats horses)
Gusty and Tirek: the Grogar is dead
Sombra: the Grogar is dead
Tirek: Correct
Random cheering
I think you know the rest

@Princess Starlaixy Arixes
Gusty: Ha you are dead
Grogar: I am dead
Tirek: the Grogar is dead
Grogar: yes I am dead
Tirek: why is the Grogar is dead
Gusty: I don't know
Grogar: I think Grogar
Gusty and Tirek: Shhh you are dead
Grogar: Okay
Sombra: hey mates who's up for a.. what the bloody oats just happened (get it oats horses)
Gusty and Tirek: the Grogar is dead
Sombra: the Grogar is dead
Tirek: Correct
*Random cheering*
I think you know the rest

When I read your comment I wondered if that was Grogar  and he escaped from the stars how would it work same question for Nightmare Moon's banishment to the moon. I just imagine when Nightmare Moon escaped everypony just heard screaming as Nightmare Moon was falling to the ground 🤣

@The Queen of Pops hate to break it to you but I’m not one of those ‘comments as the mane 6’ channels my name is Pinkie Pie <b>fan</b>

@The Queen of Pops hate to break it to you but I’m not one of those ‘comments as the mane 6’ channels my name is Pinkie Pie *fan*

Or He Did, Just That In The Stars He Thought About It And Was Reformed. Maybe This Was Gusty's Plan

Рейв / Габріель

@Tuyan Gaming yes but only after I made the comment

He could have been up there for 3,000 years tho

Yeah coz Grogar was Discord the whole time it’s possible the real Grogar was still up there trapped as a constellation in the stars XD

@Sumaiya Saleque no because HE WAS DISGUISING as a real pony

Hhahah lol pinkie being serious but it is true though

Soul Wolf [Has Voices] [Part Unipup][Part Unikit]


I'm pretty sure that grogar was the constellation in the night  skies,  ever since he was banished by gusty the great, so if he was the Taurus constellation in the sky then it means that grogar actually bailed out nightmare moon, great theory am I right? Send me a reply if you  don't mind.


These theories often make much more sense than the actual canon! This one included.


This question just went into my head when I was watching this video, where did Celestia go when Nightmare Moon appeared. Maybe she helped Nightmare Moon escape?


I want to suggest Clover the Clever who wrote the “the stars will aid in her escape” prophecy.
As a studied unicorn, Clover could have known this 1000-year “expiration date” for banishment spells.
And then we have the question of age. Seeing how Clover was the mentee of Starswirl, Clover’s age would’ve been younger than Starswirl. It is possible that Clover was alive and witnesses the banishment of Nightmare Moon, the former Princess Luna.
Having inherited/studied knowledge recorded from Gusty (about Grogar and his motivations,) & Starswirl’s (spell-casting, Elements of Harmony) time, it isn’t a reach to say that Clover was equipped to foretell this prophecy.
It was Clover the Clever who wrote the prophecy regarding the Mare in the Moon, her banishment, and her release from the moon (thanks to the Ram in the Sky).


While this theory is sound, there's really one fatal flaw. Why would Grogar help a force of evil, when that force of evil is one set upon a flawed foundation?

Tirek is a true force of evil because he simply wants all magic for himself, he has no reason outside of his lust for power. His foundation is sound.
Chrysalis is prideful, wanting to bring down the ponies that sought to destroy her and her Hive, but now wanting revenge for ponies taking away her Hive, her lust for revenge. Her foundation is sound.
Cozy Glow is both Tirek and Chrysalis combined. She wants power, and she's prideful. She seeks that which others have through any means necessary, and sought revenge through a "if I can't have it, noone can" scenario, simultaneously blaming those that sought to foil her plans. She wants more revenge for her plans being broken. Her foundation is sound.
Sombra is a tyrant. He's prideful and manipulative. He seeks power over his subjects and wishes to wage war to take more land and subjects. He wants to rule with a tyrannical hoof for the sole reason of having the power. His foundation is sound.

Nightmare Moon isn't any of those. She was a Nightmare borne of jealousy, she simply wanted the love and adoration that she felt she lacked. Her Eternal Night plans were simply borne of wanting to see others adore her night. A misguided soul. Her foundation isn't sound. While yes, it required the EoH cleansing her for her to see the light, that was only because she was lost. I have no doubt that if not the EoH, she would've eventually been cleansed regardless. The Nightmare timeline seen from Starlight's kerfuffle was likely an early look into that scenario, just like the others were, so you can't even argue that that scenario shows she was irredeemable outside of being cleansed. Grogar would've been aware that Nightmare Moon was Princess Luna, one of the two most powerful ponies. Why would he help free somepony that would likely not remain evil? Jealousy is an emotion that can easily be ignored, people do it all the time.

Think like an evil mastermind, you want lackeys that won't stab you in the back. That you know are powerful, but not moreso than you. Tirek is weaker than Grogar, he's intimidated by him. In my opinion this suggests Grogar's magic cannot be succ'd by Tirek, something which is the centaur's main strength. Chrysalis is intimidated by Grogar, she's - in some opinions - stupid, but with enough love she's on par with Celestia, even beating the Solar Alicorn. Yet she's intimidated by Grogar. Cozy Glow is a foal. She's a manipulative little (censored). Ironically, Cozy Glow seems to be the only one that isn't as intimidated by Grogar as Chrysalis or Tirek, not counting Sombra. Whether this is because of ignorance or her personality, I don't know, but despite that she doesn't seem to care about him. Sombra was defiant, but he didn't seek to go against Grogar. Instead, he wanted to prove that he could beat the ponies. He was defending his pride. None of the lackeys will stab Grogar in the back. You look at Nightmare Moon, you see someone that's prideful, jealous of others. She's often portrayed in fanfiction to be incapable of working with others, and incapable of taking orders. In Starlight's nightmare, Nightmare Moon and (Celestia-whose-name-I-forgot) fought, neither of them backing down. This is a lackey you'd have to watch. Nightmare Moon was more powerful than Celestia, and while it can be argued that Celestia didn't fight her A-game because it was her sister, I'd say that still says something that she couldn't really dodge or otherwise protect herself well against Nightmare's onslaught. That's a lackey that likely won't listen to orders, would rebel at every opportunity, and is more likely to stab you in the back than bring back a magical McGuffin that'd help you win. You wouldn't free someone like that, you'd keep them locked up or try to chain them to you, hold something over their heads.

I'm not completely refuting your theory, I'm just putting my thoughts out there. Why would Grogar help Nightmare Moon? I honestly wouldn't say she's a proper force of evil. Hell, in her timeline she wasn't even a tyrant. Intimidating, yes, and a little bit cold emotionally, but I wouldn't say a tyrant.

While this theory is sound, there's really one fatal flaw. Why would Grogar help a force of evil, when that force of evil is one set upon a flawed foundation?

Tirek is a true force of evil because he simply wants all magic for himself, he has no reason outside of his lust for power. His foundation is sound.
Chrysalis is prideful, wanting to bring down the ponies that sought to destroy her and her Hive, but now wanting revenge for ponies taking away her Hive, her lust for revenge. Her foundation is sound.
Cozy Glow is both Tirek and Chrysalis combined. She wants power, and she's prideful. She seeks that which others have through any means necessary, and sought revenge through a "if I can't have it, noone can" scenario, simultaneously blaming those that sought to foil her plans. She wants more revenge for her plans being broken. Her foundation is sound.
Sombra is a tyrant. He's prideful and manipulative. He seeks power over his subjects and wishes to wage war to take more land and subjects. He wants to rule with a tyrannical hoof for the sole reason of having the power. His foundation is sound.

Nightmare Moon isn't any of those. She was a Nightmare borne of jealousy, she simply wanted the love and adoration that she felt she lacked. Her Eternal Night plans were simply borne of wanting to see others adore her night. A misguided soul. Her foundation isn't sound. While yes, it required the EoH cleansing her for her to see the light, that was only because she was lost. I have no doubt that if not the EoH, she would've eventually been cleansed regardless. The Nightmare timeline seen from Starlight's kerfuffle was likely an early look into that scenario, just like the others were, so you can't even argue that that scenario shows she was irredeemable outside of being cleansed. Grogar would've been aware that Nightmare Moon was Princess Luna, one of the two most powerful ponies. Why would he help free somepony that would likely not remain evil? Jealousy is an emotion that can easily be ignored, people do it all the time.

Think like an evil mastermind, you want lackeys that won't stab you in the back. That you know are powerful, but not moreso than you. Tirek is weaker than Grogar, he's intimidated by him. In my opinion this suggests Grogar's magic cannot be succ'd by Tirek, something which is the centaur's main strength. Chrysalis is intimidated by Grogar, she's - in some opinions - stupid, but with enough love she's on par with Celestia, even beating the Solar Alicorn. Yet she's intimidated by Grogar. Cozy Glow is a foal. She's a manipulative little (censored). Ironically, Cozy Glow seems to be the only one that isn't as intimidated by Grogar as Chrysalis or Tirek, not counting Sombra. Whether this is because of ignorance or her personality, I don't know, but despite that she doesn't seem to care about him. Sombra was defiant, but he didn't seek to go against Grogar. Instead, he wanted to *prove* that he could beat the ponies. He was defending his pride. None of the lackeys will stab Grogar in the back. You look at Nightmare Moon, you see someone that's prideful, jealous of others. She's often portrayed in fanfiction to be incapable of working with others, and incapable of taking orders. In Starlight's nightmare, Nightmare Moon and (Celestia-whose-name-I-forgot) fought, neither of them backing down. This is a lackey you'd have to watch. Nightmare Moon was more powerful than Celestia, and while it can be argued that Celestia didn't fight her A-game because it was her sister, I'd say that still says something that she couldn't really dodge or otherwise protect herself well against Nightmare's onslaught. That's a lackey that likely won't listen to orders, would rebel at every opportunity, and is more likely to stab you in the back than bring back a magical McGuffin that'd help you win. You wouldn't free someone like that, you'd keep them locked up or try to chain them to you, hold something over their heads.

I'm not completely refuting your theory, I'm just putting my thoughts out there. Why would Grogar help Nightmare Moon? I honestly wouldn't say she's a proper force of evil. Hell, in her timeline she wasn't even a tyrant. Intimidating, yes, and a little bit cold emotionally, but I wouldn't say a tyrant.

@Eiman B It's more simply the fact that the foundation which made her turn evil in the first place would've crumbled. Once you have what you want, you need a motivation to continue as you are. Once she's gotten rid of her sister and brought about eternal night, she ends up ruling, but... then what? She has what she wants, there's no real direction to go, other than "be the ruler ponies will admire", and the natural progression of that is to not be evil, so, no more Nightmare Moon.

I applaud you for this amazing effort, well done!<br>I definitely agree with you, this has merit! I like the idea that Nightmare Moon would have been cleansed regardless of whether or not the EoH were involved. Her intentions seem to just die down

I applaud you for this amazing effort, well done!
I definitely agree with you, this has merit! I like the idea that Nightmare Moon would have been cleansed regardless of whether or not the EoH were involved. Her intentions seem to just die down

(We love a late reply lmao, but I've only been recommended sawtooth recently and I'm going through all his stuff for the first time now so)

I mean, you're absolutely right, knowing how uncooperative and feebly motivated Nightmare Moon is, one would think she'd be a bad choice- but you're perceiving Nightmare Moon from the audience's perspective.

Grogar is already in the stars during Luna's fall into Nightmare, and he can see outward action, but doesn't truly, actually know about anyone's internal motivations, and more than that, no matter how smart, no matter how good at planning he is, he's evil. Like, really truly terrible, and thus, restricted by that perspective. People assume others think as they do, and you can learn to broaden your horizons, but this is especially true if it's been "proven" in some way already (like by, say, seeing them try to plunge the realm into eternal darkness). It's not like Luna was JUST jealous of her sister either, it's not like she just tried to throw a coup. She was so deeply bitter that she had a whole magical transformation and stopped the day/night cycle.

And I think you're underestimating jealousy. This is an indication of your good character, but people, like irl human people have actually killed each other over jealousy. I wouldn't, most people wouldn't, in most people, jealousy poisons the person who is jealous more than anyone else, but if you are capital E Evil like Grogar? You assume that a jealousy that can cause a magical transformation and eternal night is the former, and honestly, spite is an extremely manipulatable emotion. That kind of hatred is irrational, which indicates irrationality in all fields, and irrational people are easily led by the appearance of getting what they want.

Grogar could offer her eternal night. She doesn't actually feel the need to rule she feels the need to be appreciated "Rule under me and you can make night last forever, everypony will be forced to acknowledge your work" and of course, it would be a lie and he'd just be leading her around by the nose, but that's precisely it, the persona of Nightmare Moon, is actually extremely impressionable and easy to lead around if you know how. At the end of the day though, Luna just wants to be loved, her actual motivations come from soft damaged parts of herself, not hard burning spite. But god if that's a motivation that would n e v e r appear on Grogar's radar. The need for the approval of others? Being the cause of NIGHTMARE MOON? A pony so powerful she can fight an alicorn princess because she IS one? Absurd. That spite and irrationality will make her a particularly leadable minion.

Except that we know it isn't. So to us? She seems like a bad choice.

And how long did that took you to write?

Cozy Glow is Tirek and Chryssalis combined

So they f*cked?

*Cozy Glow is Tirek and Chryssalis combined*

So they f*cked?

I think he was in the moon too!

So he did that to free himself and nightmare moon.

Fenekku Kitsune There’s also the fact that Grogar is Discord

So...

brah I didn't even knew who grogar was until he came in on the last season so I really don't much about him lol I've been watching mlp for 11 years and idk who grogar is everyone talks about him like he been in mlp but been hiding out and waiting for the right moment to come out of Nowhere and say to the legionsof doom "what's up fuckers(sorry for my langue ) I've been spying on you guys ik you's are "evil" and all but my God your terrible at defeating the main 6 like how are you guys that bad and why is there a little girl with you guys" but the weird thing was that "grogar"turned into discord and somepony was like "so groar been discord this whole time" so idk if grogar was a real character or just discord in disguise

 but that what I think God it's 6:13am and my drain cells hurt imma sleep but plz rply back to me about discord been grogar been discord or me making a misunderstanding about that fact on discord oh and plz don't hate me about me not knowing who gaogar is thx you :,)

Too lazy won't read it all. Xplain shortly

Celestia whose name you forgot was Day-breaker

Maybe he only did it because from where he was, this was the only way he could aid evil and attempt to restart this whole chain of evil. He may not have favoured her and would have probably preferred to free pure evil villain but he saw his opportunity and I guess he just took it.                       Idk though, that’s just what I think

That’s true, but what if Grogar helped in Luna’s escape because it would move things along? maybe he wanted to do some because he was bored? or because he put too much trust into the jealousy that overtook Luna?

...bringing up the fight between celestia and daybreaker ultimately reminded me that celestia's voice actress had a conversation with herself ;-;


If anyone was wondering, on the mlp game, it says that Celestia is responsible for the Sun, Moon and Stars....

That should clear things up.


Miss eternal night does represent darkness well , alongside Mr Crystal (king sombra) and limbo boy (the pony of shadows)


Yes and in Greek mythology the spirit of the sky’s physical form was killed banishing him to be the sky without having a way out just as you described separated from everything and everyone with no power over what happens under him especially when Zeus becomes god of the sky.


Is... is it just me who's gotten AS attached to the personas of the theorists as the actual canon characters? The little multiverse y'all created is just the most compelling thing.


Could it be that since Celestia controls the sun she can also control the stars. I am not doubting your theory, merely voicing an alternative... what if it was celestia who freed nightmare moon?


This doesn't really have to do with this theory but for a while now I've been wondering, why can't she just FLY off the moon or TELEPORT.

She was trapped. She couldn't go anywhere


Revisiting this theory after your latest video!
On rewatching this video... I want to say that even though grogar turned out to be discord all along, and so grogar wasn't the one to free nightmare moon...
There might've been a single most chaotic PONY, who released nightmare moon....

That pony is... Celestia!
Just think about it? Who was in control of the sun and moon AND the stars when Luna was banished?? Luna's responsibilities are explicitly said to include the raising of moon and stars! (and overlooking dreams of ponies but that ain't important) therefore....  Celestia.

She released her beloved sister. She had faith that twi could bring back Luna so... Similar to how Discord disguised as Grogar and brought villains together to boost twilight's confidence, Celestia too brought nightmare moon back, so twilight could begin her true journey on becoming an alicorn, and Tia could have her dear sister back.


I felt that the stars just have magical abilities such as refracting so much "magical" light into the moon that it opened a portal for Nightmare Moon to escape? But I do love this theory as it adds connections and relationships between Grogar and Equestria and the sisters 😺👍🏻

Edit: Finished the viewo, actually amazing theory and despite it not being able to be canonized it most definitely is in some way.


i think the stars are just balls of magic. luna is the princess of night so she just may have used her magic to slowly pull in the stars, used their magic, and escaped.

I SAID THATTTTTT( two great minds, think alike!)

Given that Twilight's cutie marks is a star and she's the element of magic, I'd say it's plausible.

@Jirin Grogar isn' t Discord. Discord is the Lord Of Chaos, he could be whoever he wants. He PRETENTED to be Grogar.

But grogar is discord soo discord helped?

That id proven to be an interesets by luna in the diary of the two sisters


Episode 1. Story begins with Celestia took over responsibly of the sun and moon. Which means she has control of night and the stars and dreams. She put Luna in and took her out.


There is a flaw with the theory of how Grogar escaped. If almost all magic was sucked out of Equestria, then wouldn't Gusty's spell on mount everhoof have weakened as well? I myself didn't watch season 9, but from clips I saw, the wind didn't change too much. Someone tell me nicely if I'm wrong please, but I think Grogar escaped another way. No evidence proves this btw. There is a small chance that when Nightmare moon escaped, she felt bad for him, and brought him with her. He was weak so she could bring his spirit and place him back into equestria, during the time between season 1 and season 9, Grogar could have built back his strength and knowledge of how equestria was thriving. Being in the stars for SO long would have really impacted his co-ordination and knowledge of the lands. By season 9, he felt ready to take back equestria and he rose out of the shadows. It is highly unlikely, but still a cool concept.


Remember if Grogar was the starts and the spell that put him was super strong it couldn't have weekend too much and remember Discord was Grogar the whole time in that period so Grogar is still the stars so that means Grogar did free Nightmare Moon but also brought back Cozy Glow, T-reckand and Queen Chrysalis not only that i think Grogar also freed Discord too, when he saw the CMCs were fighting Discord put alittle magic that is alao enough for Grogar to free him i know this doesnt make much sence sorry


This needs revisiting as you could also see the stars as cosmos from the comics.


Brony Notion: makes a theory

Mlp staff: destroys the theory

Brony Notion: *makes a theory*

Mlp staff: *destroys the theory*

‘I’m about to end this mans whole career’

Mlp staff: (uses elements of harmony to destroy all fan’s theories)

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@Chicken Girl not me I'm mad because I have no way of watching season 9 SO I KNOW ALL OF THIS THOUGH SPOILERS I KNOW GROGAR IS DISCORD I KNOW THE ELEMENTS ARE DESTROYED I KNOW THE PRINCESSES RETIRE I KNOW THE BAD GUYS WERE TURNED TO STONE ALL BECAUSE OF SPOILERS

Hasbro: Amiua mu shin diu<br>Sawtooth: Nani

Hasbro: Amiua mu shin diu
Sawtooth: Nani

Its still possible since there is still a REAL grogar out there<br>So the theory is still possible

Its still possible since there is still a REAL grogar out there
So the theory is still possible

"Faust can't just tweet things into canon"

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Autobotzapof000 why is there silver wing and then black wing?

@✨Høllyberry Cøøkie✨ well season 10 just came out it in youtube

@Caleb Prescott  I don't really see comics so I don't know anything about it 🤷🏻♀

@✨Høllyberry Cøøkie✨ yeah  I guess I will be mad forever until I see grogar again in an epic battle hopefully it will happen in g5 and season 10 comic form

@Caleb Prescott  oh...well...mlp ended sooooo I don't think people will be THAT mad (Sorry if I rude)

@✨Høllyberry Cøøkie✨ sorry but I'm still mad about the grogar twist and twilight awful design since August it still hunts me !

@Caleb Prescott I saw you everywhere telling about the grogar twist...please stop doing it...

Well, actually, the twist makes it more plausible in my mind that grogar was banished to the stars. where else would the REAL grogar be?

Mr. magalor I hope do you stay safe like you bye

<b>*Discord laughs in the background*</b>

Seary Specs yes there is it going to be in comic form

Seary Specs well I hope grogar appears in mlp season 10, the original mlp idw comics and the mlp g5 and mlp movie 2021 he still needs a big role of mlp like G1

@Caleb Prescott technically the only part about this theory that was proven wrong was how Groger escaped so the part about him being banished to the stars and him aiding in nightmare Moon's Escape could still be true

glitch sans Yeah but technically... it doesn’t destroy the theory... it just explains why Grogar was around... because it was Discord the whole time

C Walker yeah who you know what even WORSE hasbro completely ruin twilight design as well she now the new sonic 2019 design the old one.


I just noticed something that isn't adding up, when we saw Twilights dress with star constellations the Ares had five stars, not four that broke out nightmare moon. Where did the fifth one go?


Y’know, you were asking what stars actually are in the mlp universe. I think I might have a small theory on that, which even has some (not much, but it’s still significant) proof.
In a lot of religions (and one particular book series that I like), there’s a belief that when someone passes away, their spirit becomes a star. I think that that might actually also be the case in mlp. Now I really only have one bit of proof, and tbh it’s pretty flimsy, but I haven’t watched every episode from season 5 onward, so there might be more. In the episode ‘Apple Family Reunion’, when (I believe) Granny Smith is talking about how everyone’ll be coming this time, you can quickly see two shooting stars flash across the sky when Applejack looks out the door. Now it’s pretty obvious that Applejack’s parents are dead even if it’s never been explicitly said in-show, and I’m pretty sure the entire fandom knows by now that those two stars were meant to represent Bright Mac and Pear Butter, but what if they weren’t just representations of those two? What if they actually were them? Showing their eldest daughter that they were still watching over her in the best way they could?
Now I’d kinda like to use an example from a completely different fandom to help explain a tie-in point. In the book series Warrior Cats, it’s made pretty clear that when dead cats go to Starclan (that series’ version of Heaven), they become visible in the sky as stars. They also have the ability to walk in living cats’ dreams, and also appear to Leaders and Medicine Cats (basically the ‘healers’ of that universe), and on very rare occasions also to normal cats. They can come for a variety of reasons, but there is always one thing that all Starclan cats have in common. They are always described as being vaguely transparent with stars in their fur. If I remember correctly, they are at some point also described as not leaving any pawprints in the dirt, and I’m pretty sure their voices also sound further away than they should compared to the distance between speaker and listener. Not only that, but when they appear to a Medicine Cat or something, their visit is always signified with a shooting star before they actually appear.
Basically what I’m trying to say is that I think that those two shooting stars were Applejack’s parents coming to make a very brief visit to their children, even if we didn’t see them on-screen.
Now I just thought of something and I have no idea if it’s even true, nor do I have any substantial evidence, but what if the Apple parents were actually visiting Apple Bloom that night? Apple Bloom seemed to have trouble waking up that morning, and while we could really just chalk that up to being woken up prematurely, maybe she didn’t want to wake up for the same reason that Spike didn’t want to in Winter Wrap Up? You made a video on Spike’s dream in that episode a long time ago, stating that maybe Spike was dreaming about his parents. What if the same was happening to Apple Bloom. I mean, we know from the episode ‘A Royal Problem’ that the Apple Parents have appeared in at least Applejack’s dreams (background during the scene where Celestia first goes into the dream world, one of the bubbles shows Applejack’s dream), so what’s to say that they haven’t in Apple Bloom’s? Again, not really substantial evidence, but evidence nonetheless.
Hope you see this, given how long I just realized this comment is ^^’

Y’know, you were asking what stars actually are in the mlp universe. I think I might have a small theory on that, which even has some (not much, but it’s still significant) proof.
In a lot of religions (and one particular book series that I like), there’s a belief that when someone passes away, their spirit becomes a star. I think that that might actually also be the case in mlp. Now I really only have one bit of proof, and tbh it’s pretty flimsy, but I haven’t watched every episode from season 5 onward, so there might be more. In the episode ‘Apple Family Reunion’, when (I believe) Granny Smith is talking about how everyone’ll be coming this time, you can quickly see two shooting stars flash across the sky when Applejack looks out the door. Now it’s pretty obvious that Applejack’s parents are dead even if it’s never been explicitly said in-show, and I’m pretty sure the entire fandom knows by now that those two stars were meant to represent Bright Mac and Pear Butter, but what if they weren’t just representations of those two? What if they actually _were_ them? Showing their eldest daughter that they were still watching over her in the best way they could?
Now I’d kinda like to use an example from a completely different fandom to help explain a tie-in point. In the book series Warrior Cats, it’s made pretty clear that when dead cats go to Starclan (that series’ version of Heaven), they become visible in the sky as stars. They also have the ability to walk in living cats’ dreams, and also appear to Leaders and Medicine Cats (basically the ‘healers’ of that universe), and on very rare occasions also to normal cats. They can come for a variety of reasons, but there is always one thing that all Starclan cats have in common. They are always described as being vaguely transparent with stars in their fur. If I remember correctly, they are at some point also described as not leaving any pawprints in the dirt, and I’m pretty sure their voices also sound further away than they should compared to the distance between speaker and listener. Not only that, but when they appear to a Medicine Cat or something, their visit is always signified with a shooting star before they actually appear.
Basically what I’m trying to say is that I think that those two shooting stars were Applejack’s parents coming to make a very brief visit to their children, even if we didn’t see them on-screen.
Now I just thought of something and I have no idea if it’s even true, nor do I have any substantial evidence, but what if the Apple parents were actually visiting Apple Bloom that night? Apple Bloom seemed to have trouble waking up that morning, and while we could really just chalk that up to being woken up prematurely, maybe she didn’t want to wake up for the same reason that Spike didn’t want to in Winter Wrap Up? You made a video on Spike’s dream in that episode a long time ago, stating that maybe Spike was dreaming about his parents. What if the same was happening to Apple Bloom. I mean, we know from the episode ‘A Royal Problem’ that the Apple Parents have appeared in at least Applejack’s dreams (background during the scene where Celestia first goes into the dream world, one of the bubbles shows Applejack’s dream), so what’s to say that they haven’t in Apple Bloom’s? Again, not really substantial evidence, but evidence nonetheless.
Hope you see this, given how long I just realized this comment is ^^’


What makes you think he got out at all? He may have aided nightmare moon, but it's never implied the real grogar is out again. Instead it's revealed to be discord. So while he could be watching, there isn't a reason to assume he managed to break free.


Does he have any more theories about this, incorporating what Lauren Faust implied about Celestia freeing Luna?


I so look forward to this Brony Notion, your theory vids as well as DRWolf's are always just the greatest.


If Grogar had the power to let Nightmare Moon out, wouldn't he have just let himself out instead? Also, what about Tirek? He didn't appear 1000 years after Cerberus left his post. And by now you would know, but Grogar was actually Discord in disguise.


Did they forget that in the orginal series where this character CAME FROM, there were 'normal' Humans helping the ponies at that time? Apparently, they did.


The only thing I will remember is...

Grogar is still a blue goat with magic


i really like this theory but yall gotta remember that once chrysalis, cozy glow, and tirek took grogars magic with the bell it was actually discord in disguise so it was never ACTUALLY grogar


In my theory, is tht since Grogars banishment took place before Equestria, the land was still young, and the ponies and monsters were still new.
Hear me out but i think Gusty's magic is a bit like the Weather Trio in Pokemon. During the early pre - Equestria days, magic was still primal so some unicorns there were able to use magic to its fullest.
Whenever smth is created during the early days of the world, its first stage is basically showing its true potential.
Example: natures way of showing its primal powers is basically the world overgrown by flora, like during the prehistoric era.
So, Gusty was able to use magic to its fullest when banishing Grogar and sealing the bell.

In my theory, is tht since Grogars banishment took place before Equestria, the land was still young, and the ponies and monsters were still new.
*Hear me out* but i think Gusty's magic is a bit like the Weather Trio in Pokemon. During the early pre - Equestria days, magic was still primal so some unicorns there were able to use magic to its fullest.
Whenever smth is created during the early days of the world, its first stage is basically showing its true potential.
Example: natures way of showing its primal powers is basically the world overgrown by flora, like during the prehistoric era.
So, Gusty was able to use magic to its fullest when banishing Grogar and sealing the bell.


What if the Ursa major/Ursa minor was grogar attempt to create a moster strong enough to break the stars that imprisoned him. If grogar had enough magic to help free nightmare moon he could have enough magic to still make moster down in equestria. If he did make the  Ursa major/minor he probably made other moster aswell mabey not to help him escape but to wreck havoc to all of equestrian (e.g the cockatrices, the minotaurs, bug bear and others) if he did make these creatures while still trapped in the stars it would explain why they are only combinations of two or more animals and not full out monsters he probably didnt have enough magic left in him to make any real moster after making the Ursa's. Grogar has had thousands and thousands of years to gather magic so it would not be foolish to believe that he mabey made more then one real moster mabey even a draconequus friend we know.


Yes but in School Raze Cozy Glow said, and I quote, "...and with the magic gone from Equestria, I'm not even sure the tree of harmony will be as helpful as it ones was..." She mentioned that but we know from past episodes that even if magic is lost it will always come to the rescue, in a way. So if what you said is true, that Gusty used a magic source more powerful than the elements, how could her spell have weakened?


Saw a comment that made me see something completely differently. The royal sisters + the elements stone prisoned discord for 1000 years, and the royal sisters + discord turned the villains to stone in S9.
Celestia says the reason discord broke free is because they were no longer connected to the elements, so what's to say that the sisters and discord spell won't last forever?
Although there's an argument to the fact that the elements turned discord to stone, so they must be more powerful, but I doubt that because of one important thing. Just because one of the attacks/uses of the elements turned Discord to stone, what's to say that he simply COULDN'T not turn to stone? How are you supposed to deflect an attack like that? What's to say it simply wouldn't work if discord was more powerful? These are the questions I need answered XD


A quote from the 2014 Brony Notion

2014 Brony Notion: Sombra is coming back.

Me in season 9: Well he wasn't wrong.

6:52 grogar should been escaping becouse his banishing spell has no expiration date

and he was so right


i would guess the line about the star aiding in nightmare moon escape is a reference to a celestial alignment that weakened the banishment spells  enough for nightmare moon to escape.


I disagree, the banishment to the stars/moon is a princess celestia thing. the ponies from the previous generation seemed to always send powerful enemies/weapons to different dimensions such as the "human" realm where star swirl sent the sirens & clover the clever sent the memory stone. Also there's the "limbo" where star swirl sent the pony of shadows. It seems other dimensions is where they like to  send their equestria trash, why not grogar too.<br>Woah, I just realized that luna was sent to the moon via elements of harmony which didnt exist until after the pillars planted the seed of their elements or whatever. So, they couldnt have been used to send grogar to the stars. But then again the element kind of have a mind of their own, each time they are used something different results: luna was purified of her hatred, discord was turned to stone, sombra banished then transported then vaporized, and tereck was drained of his power. Why is the element's effects always on auto-shuffle.

I disagree, the banishment to the stars/moon is a princess celestia thing. the ponies from the previous generation seemed to always send powerful enemies/weapons to different dimensions such as the "human" realm where star swirl sent the sirens & clover the clever sent the memory stone. Also there's the "limbo" where star swirl sent the pony of shadows. It seems other dimensions is where they like to  send their equestria trash, why not grogar too.
Woah, I just realized that luna was sent to the moon via elements of harmony which didnt exist until after the pillars planted the seed of their elements or whatever. So, they couldnt have been used to send grogar to the stars. But then again the element kind of have a mind of their own, each time they are used something different results: luna was purified of her hatred, discord was turned to stone, sombra banished then transported then vaporized, and tereck was drained of his power. Why is the element's effects always on auto-shuffle.


I can only imagine the feeling of seeing grogar transform into discord. This theory is so good.


Theory:gusty the great casted a air spell and gemini libra and aquarius are air zodiac sighns something could have happen that formed those 3 and crogar could have been there more then 1,000 years he was probably trapped for 3,000 years when u think about it it's very interesting


Hey guys! SPOILER WARNING in the comments! People are talking about the s9 finale. Read them at your own risk!

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The Brony Notion I'm still mad about the grogar twist and twilight awful design

Brony notion discord is grogard aaaaaaaaaaa 😱

@Clouddi Hi and discord was still stone back then

@The brony notion when's you next video comming out I've been waiting

I saw Twilight best student(Luster or something )cutie mark and I think it’s very similar to sunburst.

Do my theory about sombra and I will tell all my friends about your channel

The Brony Notion I love your videos you are funny

Starligt  = The little Alicone <br>Future =    Past

Starligt  = The little Alicone
Future =    Past

The Brony Notion which mlp is better is it idw comic or the show

You should pin here your comment, dammit.

You should pin here your comment, dammit.

I think you should pin this comment at the very top so everypony would see it<br>Before I got to your comment I saw few spoilers (I watched it so it wasn't a spoiler for me, but still it's sad that some people just put spoilers)

I think you should pin this comment at the very top so everypony would see it
Before I got to your comment I saw few spoilers (I watched it so it wasn't a spoiler for me, but still it's sad that some people just put spoilers)

Thank you. I just skipped over one and I'm gonna stop now

but ı must say the grogar and  star and relasing the  nightmare  moon can be  real

pls look at my normal comment and(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVI6jDUuZmk)

Im so excited for the episode aired in october

I am still getting spoilers but it's alright!

@Clouddi Hi thx for the spoiler you asshole now i gatta wait about 2 monts for an episode to come out where i now know one of its biggest plot points didnt you even read the description the brony notion even said nothing about the finale

@S.A.S Gacha Magic anyways im just warning spoiler alert the actual release is still October this is just a warning.

@RichyWhistles yeah I did... I waited for the premiere and I fell asleep doing the process

@S.A.S Gacha Magic just go md. Tanzim channel's community tab and just see the link to your self.

Tsk tsk tsk tsk... That doesn't have eng sub and episode 26🤣 if you want the eng sub and episode 18-26 now go to md. Tanzim channel's now and tap on the community tab simple.

S.A.S Gacha Magic https://youtu.be/ONLf8f9Z2g0 press the first link in the description and then the first video on the left

Edit: and part two is the video on the right
it’s in another language I hope you’re ok with reading the translation 😅😇

Can please upload the full episodes of the finale? Please?

Clinton Schroeder https://youtu.be/Y-X0B1ksKUM      This needs some theories

@Sams the bezt at stuff 888 it's in Dutch tho

Clinton Schroeder https://youtu.be/BVI6jDUuZmk  here you go

Clinton Schroeder it’s true

Wait I’ll send a link

@Astralux_ ABANDONED what do u mean by that

@Astralux_ ABANDONED what do u mean by that

@Clouddi Hi is this true or is tis a joke

@Clouddi Hi is this true or is tis a joke

@Astralux_ ABANDONED yea i know ist out it just wont be out in the u.s. for about 2 months

I think king sombra is an alicorn compare him to the pony of shadows

What’s wrong with hoping it will come back?

What’s wrong with hoping it will come back?

@Cat Sune what do u mean by that i know his theories are most likely incorrect but every time a new one comes out i make it a challenge to try and find something that would make it that way but i never can

Hey I’m glad you are on the mlp side, many human beings make fun of it, #Mlpcomebackin2021

In my opinion you are the greatest mlp theorist youtube has to offer even if the show staff or its writers will ever confirm any of these


Celestia sent Nightmare moon to the moon, so couldn't  Celestia set how long she would be up there. Also, the time when Nightmare moon returns is written in a history book. If I was Grogar, I wouldn't tell anyone when your demise was coming.


Another theory is maybe when celestia put Luna in the moon she put a time when she though Luna had enough, but misjudged the situation causing this all to happen then remembering a vision (like you said) talking about twilight and her friends fighting Luna making her nice Luna again


Yes Dr Wolf’s theory could be possible, but does anyone remember that Discord was pretending to be Grogar? So if Gusty’s spell on Mount Everhoof is still going than Gusty’s spell on Grogar being banished to the stars would be possible. Just a thought I was thinking if the whole video.


Grognard was stuck in the starts ever since. And he still is stuck to this day, we have realized that "grogar" came back in season 9..but we realized that that was just discord! He is still stuck.


Or the fact that the ‘Gorgar’ was discord and the real Grogar is still a consolation.


i think it makes even more sense after we find out that grogar was discord in descise, and that the real grogar is still in the stars


How do you like the series finale?  will there be more videos?  we already miss theories!


6:53 - But Grogar is not free, the 'Grogar' we see in the MLP series is Discord in disguise, so REAL Grogar may still be banished and most probably is.


Twilight once look at the stars and said "the horse hesd nebula" meaning that both us and equestria is looking at the same sky


Headcanon: TBN and Dr. Wolf are actually friends and are just play fighting within videos :)


I think what broke nightmare moon out of the moon was just the stars themself cause in season 8 episode 21 rockhoof was trying to guide the boat with the stars but then twilight said: ''no stars can move slowly over time'' so that's probably how nightmare moon got released


What if 1000 years after Nightmare Moon's banishment was after Discord's release? Maybe Grogar bailed out Nightmare Moon before Discord to let her out sooner? I made a theory.


I'd like to know how Discord so accurately portrayed Grogar? Had they met before?


Villains: I am inevitable...

Magic Of Friendship: I AM... MAGIC OF FRIENDSHIP... [snaps in Harmony]

Villains: OH SUGAR HONEY ICED TEA!!!

*Villains:* _I am inevitable..._

*Magic Of Friendship:* I AM... MAGIC OF FRIENDSHIP... [snaps in Harmony]

*Villains:* _OH SUGAR HONEY ICED TEA!!!_

Alright... Avengers: Endgame and Madagascar...

I've got nothing. =(

Grogar and his son Bray after season 9:
Grogar as Thanos : My Son... Bray.
Bray as Gamora : Did you do it?
Grogar as Thanos : Yes.
Bray as Gamora : And what did it cost?
Grogar as Thanos : Everything.

@Alpha Wolf It is a spoiler but.
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It is not a joke. If you saw the episode of spoilerrr alerrrrrttt the last summer sun celebration at the end he says that twilight is ready for what's about to come.

@Mohamed AlKahtani yo don't spoil! I know that at least but don't spoil for others!!!!

@Mohamed AlKahtani Wait, really? Or is this a joke?

Mello why did you spoile it not every one knows that

@xXkawaii angelaXx I didn't even spoiled it🤣😉

Heeheh I know what are you talking about...


It's likely Equestria and the land around is on a flat disk, all places in Equestria are night at the same time and day at the same time, so well done for that assumption


This theory actually still checks out! Just not in the way we thought (@ the Dr Wolf thing).


think the part where grogar is trapped into the ram constellation is still a great theory  and that he helped nightmare moon escape even if the latter half of the theory of his returning is busted from him turning out to be discord

"Grogar is just Discord spelled backwards... with all the wrong letters" -Discord

this just means that all the constellations in the mlp universe are from creatures being banished for one reason or another and that larger more powerful creatures make up constellations to split up the power while all other stars are weaker but still strong enough to be a great  threat  and thus banished as a single star instead of being locked away in tartarus like some weaker monsters; the manticore, Tirek when he is near powerless, the cockatrice, Cozy glow, ect.  So most of them are forgotten and left to be imprisoned in the sky forever.  Most likely most of the stars are the creations of Grogar, nameless and dangerous.

or you know they dont find a mate and die never to pass on any offspring unless since they are magical creatures they live forever


This theory could still be true. Just not the second part since we now know it was Discord the entire time. So if the first part of the theory is true, then that means Grogar is still up there...


The Brony Nation: thinks alot about an amazing theory*

Hasbro: throws the theory out the window

Haha I could’nt stop laughing when I saw this but it’s very true 😆😵

Not really...<br>Just erase the bit about Grogar escaping, he's just still stuck in the stars.

Not really...
Just erase the bit about Grogar escaping, he's just still stuck in the stars.

@Frankie Bauman oh my Celestia, Celestia just yeeted


So I think this makes perfect sense except that discord must’ve been posing as grogar. Right? And technically Grogar is still in the stars.


I Can say this Theory is good but i Can ad some details | it can be true that Grogar was that stars but i dont think he escape, because then in that cave it wasnt Grogar but Discord . | I think that the real Grogar is still traped in stars like constellation


I think that grogar could have set up nightmare moons escape, but he certainly didn’t escape from his own prison.


An amazing theory!

Until it turned out grogar was actually discord in disguise


I'm so excited for this one! I've been interested in Grogar and more of his backstory, so I know this'll be good (especially since it's made by the Brony Notion)!


Glad to see a relatively new vid here. But the finale kinda screws with Grogar's escape. Because... You know..... HE WAS DISCORD IN DISGUISE! But maybe he is trapped still. Although I think he was killed TBH


I didn’t watch MLP from 6 year old Buț now you’re videos make me want to watch again , the secrets , the theories everything is amaizing


You know it is scary to think about something if Grogar is trapped in the stars then something bad could happen say he comes back like Discord said even if he is stone he can still hear what every pony says so if Grogar is the stars looking down at Villains defeat he will be really mad when he returns he will come back for revenge and he will use all his anger for seeing bad villains defeat and I think it’s good to reform Cozy Glow, Queen Chrystalis, and Tirek now before it is to late because if they still are in stone and awake like Discord and Grogar frees them and brings back other Villains Then we could be in danger all the Villains will be mad and want revenge so it’s good to reform some to help stop the other villains maybe even reform the other villains and then the future will be even more brighter then before


I think that he helps nightmaremoon out of the moon. But the one we saw in season 9 was that discord was growgirde. But he may have escaped but he wasn't the one that had the plan with  the willeans.


When you've already seen the mlp finale and know what's gonna happen...

sorry for the spoliers because i have been not good lately...

MidnightDGacha Hehe poor Brony Notion. He's not allowed to ever be right. lol

When you haven’t watched mlp in 2 years and you’re only on season 8

You know , even with the finale, this theory still works, but with the proper changes.

Despite the final just remember grogar might still have been the one who freed nightmare moon

I was so confused when it happened. I was like, WAIT WHAT?????!<br>XD

I was so confused when it happened. I was like, WAIT WHAT?????!
XD

I preferred what happened in the Season 9 finale than what seemed like the most obvious two routes that literally anyone watching could see coming.

IKR? Like wow. They ended it with a twist. I am glad Im not the only one who has seen the ending.

I know whats gonna happen cause I watched the MLP season 9 ep 26. Its sad but then happy at the end😖😁

"Spoiler Free" has perhaps become a clickbait for this video

It would have been nice to see him being stuck up there

@The Crap Nest It's a disappointment. I won't say what I mean by that but you'll just have to watch the episode yourself. Here's a way you can understand- It's as disappointing as Sombra's voice and attitude in the beginning of the end.

@CatBun spoilers

Did they actually outright say he was dead? Because that would explain the giant goat skull.

@thebeav PercabethFTW Spoils

Grogar is long dead, the finale talks about his magic being locked in the bell by Gusty. But he was real, the bell is evidence of that.

@MidnightDGacha. Spoilers again.

Unless I'm wrong. Did they outright say Grogar wasn't real or that he was just a story in MLP?

@MidnightDGacha. When you think about it, the finale doesn't really ruin that theory.
Spoilers(in case Brony Notion and other people who didn't see the finale are reading)

Thing is, Grogar could still exist, it just wasn't the Grogar we were seeing. The story seems like it could still be true. It's possible Brony Notion is right and Grogar is still stuck in the stars.

He is gonna be so pissed. Is it wrong that I liked the twist?


But in the show, Grogar revels that he is Discord using a chaos spell to look like that. CONSTANCY


Is everyone forgetting the discord was grogar in the last season, so that can actually mean grogar is still in the stars.


We can all come to the conclusion that the villains all have something in common they are power hungry which is pretty common for villains but their also jealous of what they don’t have 😭😭😭


Since the season 9 grogar was really discord, the real grogar is still there.


this was visually stunning!!! I loved how much thought went into this! another job well done my friend! ♡


Okay well I have something to disprove this Theory and it's very simple well as you see in season 9 it turns out the Discord was disguise him so he didn't Escape From The Stars maybe he did free Nightmare Moon but she probably only did that because he only had a little bit of power left so we use that to free Nightmare Moon hoping that she will return the favor when she takes over the place but as we know that did not happen so he from remain stuck there


For some people out there, Discord only PRETENDED  to be Grogar. He isn't the real Grogar, the real one is still banished to wherever Gusty the Great might've banished him. So for those who say that discord himself is Grogar, this comment is for you.

Celestia even said "While you united this three villains, you pretend to be Grogar"


What about Discord?<br>He said that he was the one that realised the villains to test Twilight, to show her that she is ready to rule

What about Discord?
He said that he was the one that realised the villains to test Twilight, to show her that she is ready to rule


It all makes sense except discord was discussed as Grogar so he never left the sky.


No one:
No one on the planet:
No one in the universe:
Brony Notion: “Darn it, Newton, get out of my videos!!”
Edit: 16 likes in 2 hours? Wow!!
Edit: Almost a hundred likes!!!! :O


There’s also the tale of Orin of someone being part of the stars


Stars move very slowly in the sky so maybe it just could’ve been that is why Grobart took so long and in a nightmare moon is a scape


Although I see where your going with the whole grogar is actually being somewhat smart by releasing nightmare moon and it fits but that doesn't tie my knot with the fact that he could be watching them fair doos the magic field around him might be broken because of a certain somepony but see where your going with all the 1000+ year banishes but what do I know it could of happened or it could be a coincidence. and I dont disagree with you.   Quick question what's everyone's favourite pony mine pinkie


As celestia says in the episode discord was free she says, as me and Luna are no longer connected to the elements the spell was broken and set him free


Theory: The MLP universe used to be inhabited by humans, but humanity slowly died out when an evil dictator discovered magic somewhere and released it. It turned him into a ram because the magic thought that animal represented him best. Why animal-turning magic? Dunno. I'm just making things up. Since this person was evil, it corrupted the magic, consuming everything and turning the land into a dark place where he rules. The light of someone who was a great friend to the end took over some of the magic, creating the friendship of magic, and making them powerful enough to   eventually defeat Grogar. <br>I just felt like making a crazy no-brainer theory.

Theory: The MLP universe used to be inhabited by humans, but humanity slowly died out when an evil dictator discovered magic somewhere and released it. It turned him into a ram because the magic thought that animal represented him best. Why animal-turning magic? Dunno. I'm just making things up. Since this person was evil, it corrupted the magic, consuming everything and turning the land into a dark place where he rules. The light of someone who was a great friend to the end took over some of the magic, creating the friendship of magic, and making them powerful enough to   eventually defeat Grogar.
I just felt like making a crazy no-brainer theory.


Sooooooo, I think I found a way to prove your theory wrong. Remember how you said nightmare moon and Grogar have certain similarities based off of the fact that they were both sent to outer space presence? Well that also proves you’re very wrong. Seat Groger couldn’t have been keeping tabs of anyone because nightmare moon couldn’t. And here’s how I know. When nightmare moon returned she had no idea that twilight sparkle new that she would return if so she would have accounted for this. And since she was banished by Celestia she would be keeping especially close tabs on her. And once last year gets back from wherever nightmare moon Sent her in episode two season one She told Twilight that this was all a test and that she knew her and her friends would come to her Aid.And That was why she sent her to go make friends. Also when nightmare moon comes to Ponyville on Halloween she has no idea what the new pony traditions are but if she was watching she would have seen these pony traditions come to play. And if nightmare moon isn’t able to keep tabs on everybody how do you think Grogar could? And if grow car couldn’t watch anything that was happening down below then he wouldn’t have seen nightmare moon get banished. So he wouldn’t know there is even somebody there to set free in the first place. Which means this theory is wrong. Which brings back the question how did nightmare moon be freed?


That's the thing, because Discord was pretending to be Grogar, Grogar would still just be a constellation if that theory were canon. Which is definitely going to be my head-canon from now on ^^


4:27 she also said "Orion's belt has THREE stars, not Four." to rarity.


"What if it was grogar they've been looking up at all along"

I got goosebumps from that a terrifying thought to think that a father of monsters are what you look up to each night


But wait if the magic came back doesn't that mean he would go back in the stars and also he could watch all the defeats but if he was out for a short amount of time he could have planned bringing the villans together then he would poof back into the sky so then his plans would be shown to discord and discord would pretend to be grogar to complete the plan to help twilight get her confidence and defeat the villans then finally grogar will watch his plan fail and the magic keeping him in the sky might be weakened enough for him to escape because if there isn't any evil to battle then the magic would've been weakened because you can't have a ying without a yang so he might return but he will not return now maybe in 6000 years


the theory may be debunked now.. but still, grogar could still be in the stars but never have been released! he may be in the stars because it makes sense that he was being impersonated by discord. if you think about it, this theory could technically be correct!


that comic slice with spike got me laughing 5:07


Grogar's real first appearance was in MLP G1 back in the 90's which means MLP G4 is referencing the older generations


Just a minor nitpick:
Actually the Cutie Mark Crusaders didn't cause Discord to be able to break free from his banishment.
Celestia states that it was because she and Luna who banished Discord using the Elements were no longer connected to the Elements anymore, and that unravelled the banishment.
But because of the timeline, maybe they did have a part in his escape, but their hijinks at his statue wasn't really the main cause of Discord's escape.

Besides that though, I like the idea that Grogar has just been helping out fellow villains all this time, I mean, that's kinda what he's doing so it fits. Loved the theory!

Friendless Fellow but even if that was right it didn't make since....what if the princess lied
Because as soon as The Princess weren't attached to the elements he should of been set free?
And plus....The elements of harmony were lock away....he would of had the time to free himself much earlier in the season
Ps: it was not me worth writing this now that I see the other comments lol

Here is the thing though. Even if her not being connected is a cause, there is still a time disconnect between that and when he actually broke free. Perhaps the Elements were keeping the prison strong, but he still needed Chaos to escape?

There are many ways to explain this:
a) Celestia does not know sh*t (it was just a wild hypotesis from her to try to explain "why" it happened now).
b) Celestia knew when it was going to happen [at least aproximately]. She was actually EXPECTING, it as another "test" for Twilight.
c) Celestia make it happen on porpouse [ just like how she later asked the mane six to re-release Discord from his stone prison again in S3E10 ]. There could be many reasons for this... perhaps she made a "pact" with him previously (to get her sister back, leading to the origin of that "prophecy").

@Edvin Sebastian he probably would have gotten free at season 2 finale instead (he'd make quick work of chrysalis)

@Some Guy that uses the internet yeah I do think that the chaos the CMC caused in front of Discord's statue did have a part to play in Discord's escape, however my point was that they weren't the MAIN cause,  Discord would've probably escaped some way or other, with or without the CMC.

sad thing is that isn't Grogar in season 9 premiere.... not gonna say any more spoilers but yeah, also Chaos did cause discord to break free from the CMC


Grogar was actually just Discord in disguise trying to test Twilight which means that real Grogar probably met a much darker end after losing to Gusty and her warriors


chryalis had said "until gusty the great rose up and banished you" to which grogar replyed "that fool believed taking my bell would defeat me! it only weakend me"  why im typing this you ask? well its because grogar never denyed or admitted he was banished it could have been an old "foals tale" tho i researched it and it said "he was banished to the realm of darkness" he could have been banished to limbo and waited thounsands of years to gain the power to escape.. and the constellation for aries has 5 stars not 4.. theres no way possible it could have been him- (i know im late asf but ye)


If gregarious knew nightmare moon in sky and aids her escape why didn’t he bring back her as a villain to the “villain club” he was making? I want answers!


I've always wonder why Grogar would need Cozy Glow but here's make take
Cozy Glow - manipulation
Also look at her Cutie Mark it's a chess piece, which skills like measures of intelligence, fluid reasoning, memory, and processing speed, cunning is needed in chess(I don't play chess nor know how to, I just know what chess is about)


"Discord Pretended to be Grogar?"
The Ending Of the End Part 1.
Said By Cozy Glow.

6:51 and thats why, kids, this theory is canon
becouse grogar didnt escape. its just discord in discuase also telling other what grogar was real long time ago

Grogar is still real "and now they have all of the real groagars magic"

@HalavicH the grogar twist and last problem that what it ruined the franchise

@Caleb Prescott I mean it not seems to be a disaster

@Caleb Prescott how it could ruin the franchise? What went wrong? How it should be?

@HalavicH because season 9 final was a failure including the last problem it a failure too and ruined the mlp franchise I almost left the mlp franchise because of season 9 final !

What if Grogar is still real and up in the sky. Discord will still be able to pretend to be Grogar, right

@Caleb Prescott :D subscribe to me my friend what am I doing

@Caleb Prescott ikr I watch it on Netflix but it stops at season 8

@XxMidnightwolf xX I know I only watching mlp season 1-8 and movie NOT 9 !

@Caleb Prescott if you hate it don’t watch it

Why you giving spoilers some people might not have seen it

He pretended to be Grogar but wasnt the real actual Grogar.. When Discord talked to the princesses about Chrysalys, Cosy Glow and Tirek being back, he also talks about "the REAL Grogar's magic"!

Edit: cant spell stuff right lol

Sawtooth srry but Soap is write Even Discord said that


What if Grogar is not evil, but pissed that a bunch of ponies invaded his beautiful and  fertile land and claimed it as their own, European style, and he’s been trying to expel them ever since like a troll from HIS bridge?


But how does he know it was Cozy Glow nearly taking all the magic?


When you actually read the comics that explain:

Actually, it is explained that there is ghost-like shadow creatures on a part of the moon. For some reason rarity also becomes corrupted from somehow being captured on the moon? shrugs
Although this is a good theory-

When you actually read the comics that explain:

Actually, it is explained that there is ghost-like shadow creatures on a part of the moon. For some reason rarity also becomes corrupted from somehow being captured on the moon? *shrugs*
Although this is a good theory-

Chocolitte Games the comics aren’t 100% cannon


Great theory. Except what about discord turning out to be Grogar in season 9? where does that put the real Grogar?


I mean Hasbro ruined this amazing theory... But I think it can still work except we would have to remove the Cozy Glow involving part. It would simply mean that Grogar bailed Nightmare Moon hoping that she would get him out. I mean, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that she fooled him into thinking that once she's has taken over Equestria, she'd get him out, and let him roam free. So I guess it could work.


Celestia was the one, who freed Nightmare Moon. She didn’t want to keep her sister in the forever.


But none of that can’t be true because Discord was grogar the whole time. Meaning he’s still banished to the stars.


If we have a aries villain then we should have more zodiac signs villains like libra


maybe the pony that wrote the prophecy predicted the movements of the stars on the longest day of the 1000th year and the stars may not be beings but they just happened to be moving along and aided nightmare moon in her escape, Probably because their <b>magic</b>

maybe the pony that wrote the prophecy predicted the movements of the stars on the longest day of the 1000th year and the stars may not be beings but they just happened to be moving along and aided nightmare moon in her escape, Probably because their *magic*


Sawtooth: Think's a lot to make theories<br>Hasbro: Crumples the theories and throws them in the dustbin

Sawtooth: Think's a lot to make theories
Hasbro: Crumples the theories and throws them in the dustbin


The sun princess is already raising the sun and the sun is a star so she also probably will control the stars


Grogar didnt escape, in season 9 discord was disused as grogar, so he didnt escape.... just yet


I have an idea it might have been one of Celestia and and Lunas sisters who can move the Stars they might have been playing around with the Stars and accidentally bailed out Luna


I have 2 questions: 1. If this theory is true, then does that mean all constellations are different villains and potentially dangerous creatures that have been banished to the sky, or at least the Zodiac/most popular (or most known) constellations? If so, might they show up later in future seasons or even future generations of mlp? And 2. A little off topic, but after his bell was retrieved, how could grogar not notice it's presence? Just a question that may or may not be able to help spark an idea for another theory.<br>And finally, love your videos, listening to your theories is really thought provoking, so thanks for being great :)

I have 2 questions: 1. If this theory is true, then does that mean all constellations are different villains and potentially dangerous creatures that have been banished to the sky, or at least the Zodiac/most popular (or most known) constellations? If so, might they show up later in future seasons or even future generations of mlp? And 2. A little off topic, but after his bell was retrieved, how could grogar not notice it's presence? Just a question that may or may not be able to help spark an idea for another theory.
And finally, love your videos, listening to your theories is really thought provoking, so thanks for being great :)


now that you say it Sawtooth, i think it could be true, think about it, if Grogar was banished to the stars and aided in nightmare moon's esacpe from the moon and cozy glow nearly got rid of all the magic, giving grogar enough time to escape from the stars, then that thoery could be true and it's a good one too


It could be that this is true but since Luna controls night could mean that she also controls EVERYTHING IN night as well including you guessed it stars,hence nightmare moon being Luna could use some of her power that is left to use the stars to bail herself out of the moon. But hey that is just a THEORY-


I think Gusty the great is part Kirin and part unicorn. Think about it. if the combined magic of three types of ponies is, like,super powerful, think of how much magic something would be if it was two types of species.
If this Theory were true it would explain why I got these spells are more powerful than the elements of harmony. Elements of Harmony!
I also think that Celestia, Mistmane, and Luna’s ancestor is Gusty the Great.


Why is everyone so confused about the Stars? They could have been just stars, or another pony could have moved the stars. OR somepony or any other creature could have moved the stars to aid in nightmare moons escape. And then, how did whoever wrote the book twilight was reading in the first episode KNOW about how the stars would align in her escape?


Also, Star Hunter/Solar Wind's cutie mark is the Orion constellation.


Maybe twilight accidentally let nightmare moon out,<br>Cause as soon as she talks about it she’s gone from the moon?

Maybe twilight accidentally let nightmare moon out,
Cause as soon as she talks about it she’s gone from the moon?


I love this theory, But the question remains for another mystery, But Who the hell sent Nightmare moon free!? Also is Grogar really in the stars or did Gusty banished in the stars in the first also it just a pony theory bye :D


If it were true , then grogaras  bell would have also lost its magic protection and at the end grogar would be rebanished To the stars by default


So we know how Nightmare Moon, Discord, Tirek, and Grogar escaped. But how did Sombra escape from the arctic north prison (Excluding any mentions in the comics)

Pinkie Lemon “that must’ve been one heck of a year.”

Well the ones who banished him were celestia and Luna supposedly? So maybe it wore off

@EpicMuttonChops They mean in the earlier season

the rest were all summoned by Grogar. that's season 9 premiere knowledge


Nightmare Moon: [banished in the moon]
Grogar: Oh, hey.
Nightmare Moon: Help me get out?
Grogar: Just wait for the spell to pass the 1000-year expiration date, then I’ll see what I can do.


Wasn't our Grogar discord the whole time or did I forget something? In the end, however, it turned out to be grogar, in truth it is discord. So where is the real Grogar? Maybe still in the stars


6:54 sort of true but grogar turned out to be discord in disguise (sorry if i am not right i couldn't watch the last season) so if your theory about grogar being trapped in the stars is true,  the real grogar is still trapped in the stars!


Hi,big fan here!Can you  do a theory of how princess luna came back good in luna eclipse but she came back from the moon?


I was here for the premiere! It was such a good theory! Amazing job Brony Notion! (You too Dr. Wolf!)


I think you forgot, that it wasn't Grogar who helped Cozy and others out. It was Discord.

@kodukaamera Hahahaha... what?? That's incorrect and you know it. The Last Problem aired LATE 2019... it hasn't even been 2 years fam. At least try and get your facts straight if you're going to try and argue.

@Badweather4cast i think you forgot that the last episode of mlp was uploaded 4 years ago

I think you forgot to look at the date this was uploaded. 😂


So he could move the stars from there  when cozy drained magic so he still could be the one grogar . Gusty wow


I am now going to binge the whole entire series.... I MUST GET MY OWN THEORIES!!!

Wolf World Blackyy this is an older photo. Now I mainly work on Gacha club, and I have eyebrows on there. But let’s cut to the chase. HOW DID YOU SEE IT!?

Where Are Your profile Picture's EYEBROWS?!

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Nightmare moon won miss eternal night 1000 years in a row but her competitor was grogar so it wasn't hard.


8:51 such a cute & wholesome interaction


Well I think Grogar still in the stars ✨ if you watch the whole season nine T-rec Cozy glow  and queen chrysalis saw that discord was Grogar


Well, sorry to brake it to you Grogar never escaped the stars it was discord who was pretending to be him


I feel like grogar was banished into his bell while his magic trapped in the stars so he wouldnt be able to break out his magic drawned to luna to help her escape and then he escapes when cozy glow drains magic.......


Brony notion: ‘new video’<br>Entire internet: “OH MY GOD YOURE NOT DEAD!!”

Brony notion: ‘new video’
Entire internet: “OH MY GOD YOURE NOT DEAD!!”


About Equestria's shape, there's a sphere as Equestria in the song "Being Big is All it Takes".


Hey, y’all remember when Applejack was talking about her parents and a shooting star came in the exact same scene? <br>Just a random fact I was thinking of.

Hey, y’all remember when Applejack was talking about her parents and a shooting star came in the exact same scene?
Just a random fact I was thinking of.


TECHNICALLY GROGAR COULD   STILL HAVE BEEN THE FOUR STARSSSS.
HE COULD STILL BE ROLLING AROUND IN THE STARS.
MAYBE HE WENT ON A ROAD TRIP, MET NIGHTMARE MOON CHAINED TO THE MOON AND DECIDED TO SMASH INTO HER AND YEET HER BACK TO EARTH SO HE COULD SEE THE PONIES OF EQUESTRIA SUFFER.


I think grogar has the right to do that(i know its wrong)because without him doing that theres no luna..and they wont have any adventures


Oh my god I remember this channel. I loved your theories when I was younger. I'm going to re-subscribe!


imagine if nightmare moon been part or the legions of doom :,)


Notice how grogar wears a bell collar but no bell, maybe his celestial form is trapped in the bell


It probably means with what we know now maybe grogar is still out there searching for artifacts and other like minded individuals and even maybe he is searching for his creations buying his time because he knows that we there is light there is always a shadow that will oppose it maybe there are renegade changelings and even searching Even further beyond equestria and when he is finally read  the ram will reveal its horns and take back his bell and he could even bring back sombra,chrysalis,tirek and the storm king or even cozy glow maybe and I don’t think grogar would be fouled like discord was when he was pretending to be grogar but maybe not even that could be it grogar is just a force of evil that thinks many moves ahead of his opponents try’s to accumulate as much of an advantage on his enemies that think the war is over but for grogar it only has just begun


Ok but why didnt Groagar escape when Tirek sucked magic out of Equestria? Tirek did it too and he was so much cooler then Cozy. I stand by that Groagar never escaped and what we see of him in season 9 is all Discord, even though i hated this twist from the bottom of my heart. I was such a g1 fan and i was excited to see Groagar and then they just ruined both my favourite villain from g1 and my favourite villain from g4. God, show writers, one has to have a talent to ruin all of my childhood dreams in one episode.


This theory is even stronger after the end of the season 9


The reason Grogar waited so long to bail Nightmare moon is because of prophecy


What if it was  Gogar was the reason Luna fell to the corruption of nightmare moon and she was basically his verse of a Sith Apprentice after all a Princess of Night being alone who's to say a Shadowy Figure didn't  push her to attacking her sister to gain the admiration she craved after all if they are going to treat her like a monster why not be one.


This could get really bad. If Grogar is in the stars then he has the high ground! Who can stop him!😛


Grogars reactions to the mane six’s victories

Nightmare moon “i freed you!“
Discord “you are too young”
Chrysalis1st “make a effort” 2nd  “hmm”
Tirek “ huh”
Starlight 1st REVENGE 2nd slow clapping
Stigian more slow clapping
Cozy glow perfect plan


I think Grogar is still up in the stars because well last time I checked it was discord pretending to be grogar because he said now they have got the real Grogar’s magic.


but i didn’t understand something : in the season 9 episode 25 we see that grogar is discord so where is the true grogar ??

it means that Grogar has always been banished and had never returned !


This theory can be true bc grogar didnt escape it was just discord being discord. Grogar remains banished to the starts


I feels so bad after all their hard work discord was grogar  edit:Wait i got more then one like on this?!thank you!

Twilight shimmer rou no discord was pretending to be gregarious

Val ⏳☎📹📸📻📺🧭⏱🔋⏰⏳⌛💸⏱📞🔋💸

Val ⏳☎📹📸📻📺🧭⏱🔋⏰⏳⌛💸⏱📞🔋💸

Gerald the worm. He was pretending to be grogar he isn’t actually grogar the actual grogar was long forgotten like he disappeared


Brony Notion, please keep on doing videos. Even if it's remixes. I really ❤ your videos.


good but here a problem

1. (Spoilers) the Grogar that was "freed was Discord in disguise


My theory is that luna broke herself out of prison. Because in the diary of the two sisters starswirl tried to teach luna to move the stars. To touch up, I think when celestia banned luna she took away luna's power over the moon as she may still cause chaos. But when Luna's banishing spell ended, she used the spell break herself out. Of course, brony's theory about Grogar is very convincing, on twilight's dress, the ram constellation has FIVE stars, not FOUR! (Btw I'm not hating, I'm just saying my own ideas)