Faust told me that Discord was supposed to be a “mistake” that was made by Equestria, as if the world itself accidentally made him. Your latest verdict legit could just be it.

Also on my 3 part series on what being a “spirit” means, it’s possible he’s not been the only spirit of chaos, there could have been iterations of some kind, before him.

Anyway I’m done with all this, the show is over and they won’t throw us a bone, so I’m just gonna wait until G5 and pray -.-

I agree, because in season two the return of harmony part 1, the teacher told scootaloo, apple bloom and sweetie bell that it was a species, meaning there was more of it, explaining the other villains. Chrysalis is a changeling, nightmare moon is a pony, and so on.

My theory is, the hole show is about finding a balance of Chaos and Harmony.
So, I think when The Tree of Harmony grew up it created Discord to keep this balance.
Also we saw in later seasons that The Tree of Harmony is a Spirit to like Discord.

@Sawtooth Waves Twilight Found Me My Cutie Mark Is This 💚

@Sawtooth Waves Twilight Found Me My Cutie Mark Is This 💚

@Sawtooth Waves I Am Alsow A Changling Im Called Mckenzie

@Sawtooth Waves I Am Alsow A Changling Im Called Mckenzie

Sawtooth Waves! Discord is just a dracaris! Or is he a dragon? Pretty sure hes just a reincarnation of Tirek’s possibly dead dad.

Sawtooth Waves! Discord is just a dracaris! Or is he a dragon? Pretty sure hes just a reincarnation of Tirek’s possibly dead dad.

Oh yes i almost thought the same thing, something about a mistake, experiment that gone wrong, nature+magic+caos, such a interesting character and different/nice character design

@Sawtooth Waves hi! I’ve been wanting to be an alicorn tier Patront or however you spell it

@Sawtooth Waves hi! I’ve been wanting to be an alicorn tier Patront or however you spell it

This course has been the subject of much speculation

This course has been the subject of much speculation

DISCORD WAS FROZE TO STONE DUMMY BABY WABY CRABYE.

DISCORD WAS FROZE TO STONE DUMMY BABY WABY CRABYE.

That could be true but “draconeques “ is a classified animal. I think there IS more of them!

That could be true but “draconeques “ is a classified animal. I think there IS more of them!

POV: You’re ReVisiting an Ancient Thread you Accidentally Started on Someone Else’s Video [ASMR]:

So I read several people don’t believe I met Faust. For those who are curious how a nobody like me could meet Faust, it was literally several seconds at an NYCPonyCon where she was doing autographs. I could only ask her one question without seeming like I was creep so I made it about Discord. A short recording of my encounter is available at Sawtooth’s video where he collabed with me.

Also- how about that G5 huh?! LOL

What if StarSwirl made discord before going to Limbo, but cast him away with magic and imprisoned him, but when StarSwirl disappeared, so did his spell, and Discord was set free?

@Sawtooth Waves the vidoe say discord<br>I was thinking about the app discord

@Sawtooth Waves the vidoe say discord
I was thinking about the app discord

@Sawtooth Waves ummmm swatooth I think the yin yang ☯ is correct think discord is chaos that understands harmony and space twilight is harmony that understands chaos

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@SnowLily Music I kind of headcanon - basing from Eris in the comic - that they all have their own personal dimensions to wreak chaos in! for instance Discord has Equestria as his dimension!

You did not talk to the actual Lauren Faust. She’s the one who made MLP. You did not talk to her don’t lie about that.

You did not talk to the actual Lauren Faust. She’s the one who made MLP. You did not talk to her don’t lie about that.

OK I KNOW THIS IS TOO LONG AFTER BUT,I HAVE A THEORY WHICH MIGHT BE SIMILAR TO YOURS,but the tree might have had enough power to create discord's child form!!!! Maybe he didn't use chaos until the FIRST appearance,because he didn't know to use it I,btw,I AM 10

You go dude make series till you are old till you are a old man make series cuz I love these these theories I can't say it right I'm sorry you're my favorite channel I subscribed and turn on the notifications by

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Ahaha, and your prayers have been awnsered......

Ahaha, and your prayers have been awnsered......

@Sawtooth Waves I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK OF THIS TRASHY “PONY LIFE” SHOW

@Sawtooth Waves I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK OF THIS TRASHY “PONY LIFE” SHOW

@Sawtooth Waves Sawtooth I’m still waiting on your opinions of G5 PLEASE

@Sawtooth Waves Sawtooth I’m still waiting on your opinions of G5 PLEASE

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Thats why i think there used to be a Daconiquuis Civilization

Thats why i think there used to be a Daconiquuis Civilization

Cast of seeds is actually the cause for the dream Harmony how do I get the costume from the Tree of Harmony

Cast of seeds is actually the cause for the dream Harmony how do I get the costume from the Tree of Harmony

Like I said the four your theory is wrong it could have been grow guard what if he was gaining power in the gap

Like I said the four your theory is wrong it could have been grow guard what if he was gaining power in the gap

I think that Discord was made by stars world before he planted the tree of of Harmony but I think the timeline was spent gaming power

what if Discord was pulled from a different dimension to counter the tree of harmony, meaning there could be more beings like him. That would explain him being a hybrid, yet the only one of his species in the my little pony universe.

Sawtooth Waves so koxkdkkdff,msjjsjjajj)#)#)

Sawtooth Waves so koxkdkkdff,msjjsjjajj)#)#)

@Sawtooth Waves
Well, Discord's head kinda look like Starsworld'head... a little bit.
Since he's the one started the tree of harmony though.

@Sawtooth Waves  discord  was alive when celestial  and Luna came to pony vill

@Sawtooth Waves  discord  was alive when celestial  and Luna came to pony vill

Rachel Newton not trying to be rude I’m just used to a lot of idiots on YouTube your not and idiot your just confused of what I said so if it says wow your an idiot than that’s my mistake

Rachel Newton wow your such an idiot you don’t get what I mean just stop talking and let me explain what if people discovered the earth and thought they were done with exploring the earth what if there’s more things that we didn’t think were on earth?

I think u have watched alot of vids or what idk what u rly mean with ur done with this

I think u have watched alot of vids or what idk what u rly mean with ur done with this

Event HoriXZ0n done there’s no done you can explore as much as you can and think your done but there more to the  story than you think

Event HoriXZ0n done there’s no done you can explore as much as you can and think your done but there more to the  story than you think

I thought you were talking about the platform I was super confused

I thought you were talking about the platform I was super confused

This is my own head canon so please be gentle.

When grogar was banished not all of him was gotten rid of, a small bit of magic was left behind in the everfree forest but was unable to build up strength do to some odd reason.
 When the tree was fully grown it released a bit of magic to free that bit of left behind magic and let it form to a full being expecting it to be good but because that small bit of magic (discord) was on a one track mind it didn't go so well. Because it came from grogar still wanted to take over Equestria.

(Sorry if this doesn't make sense its hard to explain)

What if the tree made discord <br>The tree tried to balance its power

What if the tree made discord
The tree tried to balance its power

Sawtooth Waves you sure wanna make that writers beg before you huh

Sawtooth Waves you sure wanna make that writers beg before you huh

Es muy pequeños y no no se comparan juntos porque ellos no son amigos ni nada de que ver con el que yo y el bien y el mal

Es muy pequeños y no no se comparan juntos porque ellos no son amigos ni nada de que ver con el que yo y el bien y el mal

That's a cool theory. But I wish the creators of mlp could just tell us the whole thing.

That's a cool theory. But I wish the creators of mlp could just tell us the whole thing.

Is anyone listening the TREE OF HARMONY CREATED DISCORD

Is anyone listening the TREE OF HARMONY CREATED DISCORD

@Sawtooth Waves  the tree of harmony created discord

@Sawtooth Waves  the tree of harmony created discord

The tree created discord so equestria could be in balance

The tree created discord so equestria could be in balance

Sorry to ask but I don't see this address.  Told you where?  Was this somewhere you could cite or was this at a convention?  If the latter, do you remember the date and location?  I know it's a bit of a bother but I'm a stickler for proper documentation.

But then again, I wonder what happened to all the other Draconequi(I think that's the plural not sure though)... Did they perhaps get i.e. killed? I mean how else would that've happened?!

@ArcheIsHere Wait! You are right! So then pretty much every theory on the internet is incorrect as can be! How can so many people miss that important fact! P.S. Draconequus(you said I should tell you so I decided to help out! You're welcome!)

@Delighted Rebel For a matter of fact, Discord knew what Grogar looked like, because he was able to "transform" into him. He knew things that are specific to Grogar, like the bell. It could be that Grogar told him these things when i.e. raising him. So what if: not only Discord was made by Grogar, but even RAISED by him!

Discord is a Chinese dragon that explains why he has magical powers and are made up of many animal parts.

Discord is a Chinese dragon that explains why he has magical powers and are made up of many animal parts.

I think whenever discord was created and having time to Rule Equestria he found gravity falls and a chaos demon brother and his name was Bill cipher the evil demon of gravity Falls (do not summon at all costs)

Event HoriXZ0n I don’t believe you met Lauren Faust.

Event HoriXZ0n I don’t believe you met Lauren Faust.

Maybe he was a laughingstock and that lead to him ruling Equestria? Just my theory

Maybe he was a laughingstock and that lead to him ruling Equestria? Just my theory

Um, hello, did you see one of the episodes that discord pretended to be Grogar? If you didn’t, go watch it now!

Um, hello, did you see one of the episodes that discord pretended to be Grogar? If you didn’t, go watch it now!

ahem yall all wrong. remember where and back again and the discord statue that he has a kind caled "dracconequest" (tell me if i spelled it right). and discord is the last of his kind men you people need more research

that does make sense maybe lauren faust just couldn't rezist another pony charcter....or big monster so she convined it into discord.

that does make sense maybe lauren faust just couldn't rezist another pony charcter....or big monster so she convined it into discord.

if discord was from so long ago by crogar shouldn't the same where had he been or be doing . theory apply not to mention if he created monsters then why was he so chill the pineapple babies yes but discord is just a baby gay bully

Event HoriXZ0n well I hope that season 9 comes out

Event HoriXZ0n well I hope that season 9 comes out

@Sawtooth Waves
me: looks at the comics
discord has a sister?!

@Sawtooth Waves
me: *looks at the comics*
discord has a sister?!

@Sawtooth Waves What new characters will G5 have in the next<br>mlp fandom?

@Sawtooth Waves What new characters will G5 have in the next
mlp fandom?

@Sawtooth Waves imagine alicorns were also made by Grogar because they are made from different ponies

@Sawtooth Waves imagine alicorns were also made by Grogar because they are made from different ponies

Luna paints ft . rad Ruby i dunno about any of that. They established there’s different worlds but I don’t know how any of them relate to the regular one

rav pal and everyone else- the show has no continuous story, no character development, and the world has no rules. Nothing happens for any reason nor does anything have any significance in happening. FiM is about as far away from good storytelling as you can get.

@Event HoriXZ0n excuse me...<br>g4...a mess???

@Event HoriXZ0n excuse me...
g4...a mess???

@lUnA nIgHtEr! discord's cutie mark is a tornado

@lUnA nIgHtEr! discord's cutie mark is a tornado

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Discord could have been created by Grogar instead.

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Discord could have been created by Grogar instead.

I believe since there is not canonical explanation that discord is a lovecraft eldrich abomination that found the equestrica got curious watched things evolved grogar , tirek starswirl etc. And decided he want to have some fun. More interesting imo.

I've said it lots of times, someone (I think Lauren Faust) said 'we don't hammer logic into this show' it's a nice theory but not everything is gonna be able to be explained

The Brony Notion yes! I don’t know if the comics are canon but in Tirek’s story discord was part of Tirek’s father’s court

The Brony Notion yes! I don’t know if the comics are canon but in Tirek’s story discord was part of Tirek’s father’s court

I got a question : is it possible that the spirit of Harmony and chaos are from a different demotion where they are regular creatures ? And the kinds of spirit they are can be thier cutie mark . For example pinky's cutie mark means to bring joy to other so she could be the spirit of fun/happiness . So let's if discord had a cutie mark it would mean to spread chaos or just breaking rules make him the spirit of choas .

@Event HoriXZ0n Why do you think G4 is a mess? Just wondering!

@Event HoriXZ0n Why do you think G4 is a mess? Just wondering!

SMG Productions but she is the one who created this version of MLP so.....

SMG Productions but she is the one who created this version of MLP so.....

Event HoriXZ0n aw thanks for sharing 😇 but no matter what happens, we’ll always have theories 😍

Event HoriXZ0n aw thanks for sharing 😇 but no matter what happens, we’ll always have theories 😍

ALSO discord may JUST be a mistake
i mean look at the past or lets say history of Equestria its made up of mistakes of the greatest and most powerful ponies  maybey all those events resaulted it all just made a huge arguement u know like the reason some of the celebrations are there
who knows for what reason that arguement was there but maybey could have resaulted into the formation of Discord like when the cursaders were fighting it gavediscord power to escape his ROCK FORM hmmm

Well she left so I wouldn't give her any credit

Well she left so I wouldn't give her any credit

I still like the possibility that Grogar created Discord, and with the "spirit iterations" concept I think it would also make sense for the spirit of chaos to have taken many different forms before Discord.
Also, I really want to see an interaction between Discord and Grogar, especially something like this:
Grogar: I would ask if you would want to join me, but it's clear where your allegiances lie, Discord.
Discord: Oh, so you've heard of me.
Grogar: Of course I have. I know all my children.

There could be something in the second movie, or I am just way to naive.

There could be something in the second movie, or I am just way to naive.

It's an amazing mess, just like Discord ;-)

It's an amazing mess, just like Discord ;-)

Toontastic Gaming even if we did, it wouldn’t matter. They’re gonna reboot the show. Which is fine by me, G4 is a mess.

Toontastic Gaming even if we did, it wouldn’t matter. They’re gonna reboot the show. Which is fine by me, G4 is a mess.

@Event HoriXZ0n prolly Hasbro. But don't lose hope yet. It's the final season so we're bound to get some lore details

@Event HoriXZ0n prolly Hasbro. But don't lose hope yet. It's the final season so we're bound to get some lore details

Toontastic Gaming it’s got less to do with the writers and more to do with the producers. It seems like this show is intentionally kept from developing in a way that makes sense, either because of incompetence or just that hasbro won’t let them.

Don't underestimate the writers. They can be pretty fan pandering when they wanna be

Don't underestimate the writers. They can be pretty fan pandering when they wanna be

A mistake made by Equestria, that's a really cool concept. And yeah, I could totally imagine "proto discords" roaming around before the tree was planted. Huh.


The fact that Celestia has referred to Discord as the "Spirit of Disharmony" further proves your theory.

I think Discord also said that his (Discord) the spirit of Disharmony


The studio that just wanted to make a kid show: 👁💧👄💧👁

@EG and AJ nah, we ain't ever stop... not anytime soon

PLEASE STOP CLUTTERING THE COMMENTS WITH THESE!
THEY ARE NOT FUNNY ANYMORE! IF ANYONE IS READING THIS - PLEASE STOP WITH THE DUMBING DOWN AS A "KIDS SHOW" JOKES - IT IS ACTUALLY KIND OF STUPID!
I'M JUST done with them!

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For real tho it’s not supposed to be that deep and logical

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If it's just a kids show why did they add SO MUCH lore

@Pratibhaaa its still technically a kid show

@*purple* <br>Lauren Faust repeatedly told the MLP employees that Mlp is a show for everyone

@*purple*
Lauren Faust repeatedly told the MLP employees that Mlp is a show for everyone

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Mlp studio= 🥲 these adults want theories we have to make them up

@JoonIsVisiblyBored 😄 🤣 😂 😆 😄 🤣 😂 😆 😄 🤣 😂 😆!

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Plot Twist:
The MLP creators had no idea about the theory and just made Discord randomized

*Plot Twist:*
*The MLP creators had no idea about the theory and just made Discord randomized*

@Asha Balasuriya he's chaos of course he wouldn't be in the dragon land cus.
HE'S A THING CREATED BY CHAOS HE'S MADE OUTTA CHAOS
he wouldn't be a dragon sure he's part dragon but he's a mix
He's not just a dragonuis he's a lord of chaos
A thing made out of chaos

@Buzz Lightyear Yeah most likely, i was just joking heh

he's a draconequus, the Creators knew what is his, he's not the only one, he knew a female one before. anyway, he's not a type of dragon, they actually say a draconequus is a type of chimera

@Classy Days no...a platypus with a hat.

That actually is probably it considering that the show is over

@BerryLasagna✿ plot twist 3: These plot twists are true

Plot twist 2: the MLP creators saw this and decided to make it canon

Dude Discord is a type of dragon so why did not he live at Dragon area

Actually I think he was inspired by a ryuu. (Although tweaked a bit)according to a book I read “They’re creatures that have the head of a camel, the eyes of a rabbit, the ears of a cow, the antlers of a deer, the neck of a snake, the belly of a sea snake, the legs of a tiger, the talons of an eagle, and one hundred and seven koi-like scales covering their body.” sounds pretty close to discord don't you think. Just slap on a pair of wings and a few different kind of legs and you got discord. The ryuu in the book even had black hair. The only thing discord is missing are the whiskers

@Vario 64 My friend the mlp movie but still i agree with you

Yea I wished the creators put more thought into the lore.

Like, you have NO idea how much I wish there was a world map. Not just Equestria, but ALL lands of all the different creatures! As it stands, Not even the official Equestria map is all that well done...


I googled "Draconequus" a while back for some drawing inspiration but instead found something about the six Draconequus spirits; Chaos, Malice, Entropy, Darkness and Illusion. Since we have one, Discord, spirit (draconequus) of chaos, we most likely have more of them considering there are six elements that combine into spirit of harmony then maybe discord is actually a combination of the draconequus spirits... Not me having a realisation of why we haven't seen anyone like him right when I'm typing this.....

@Starbell Twilight Illusion=Honesty Like flim and flam they gave illusions to people

@Jimuel Yutrago ooo I think you're on to something

Chaos=Magic Malice=kindness
Darkness=Laughter
Illusion=?
Entropy=?
Theres only five?(Magic=friendship or harmony and Chaos=Disharmony, Pinkie was scared of the dark but she overcame it with Laughter, and the last one is self-explanatory)

@melody ._. yes, that's what I mean...Pinkie is The Junior Lordess of Chaos

@Buzz Lightyear So pinkie is like a bridge for the Chaos and Harmony, Being one of the elements of Harmony while still being Chaotic

OH MY GOSH THAT IS FLIPPING AMAZING <b>HAPPY SOBS</b> YOU ARE A GENIUS

OH MY GOSH THAT IS FLIPPING AMAZING *HAPPY SOBS* YOU ARE A GENIUS

well...Pinkie is a chaotic like him, even was able to handle his magic, unlike Cozy who couldn't, and Tirek can USE Discord's magic to increase his own (still unable to use it but still)

This is actually a really cool idea as well


i kinda agree that discord be made from the tree because its so weird that in "twilight's kingdom" discord already knew that the tree was important and the chest was useful, he also knew how the chest would be opened using the friendship journal he book-marked, its obvious discord has a connection to the tree...

or i could be wrong- idk- i didn't make the show 💃✨

Yaa, in so many episodes it looks like he knows more than he shows (like future and deeper about legends)

@Violet Ray :) :0<br>Such an honor to meet you

@Violet Ray :) :0
Such an honor to meet you

@CookieCraft Friend  omg it is i, the creator of mlp. I'm a billionaire at the least 🤠 /j


Glad to see that my theory video is inspiring even more interesting conversations :)

I hate when someone with a popular fan base comments on a video and everyone is literally just saying "OMG HII" nobody is replying about the comment

@The Endless god use a spell to make god in the past.

Ooooooof,sawtoth,your in trouble,he saw this vengeance,sorta(C_C)

He didn’t respond cause he is annoyed with ya 😂

Discord is discord, its like saying who created humans? God, who created God? See?
Discord just exist like a "Big Bang", he's a omnipotent god who just trolls the antagonists and protagonists in the show.
Or the harmony = chaos theory.

My sis when your here:OOOOOOOMMMMMMMGGGGGG

Me(No offense but I like brony notion more):Oh....hi.....

Also I am starting to also be a mlp theorist<br>Maybe sooner or later I can join the rift cafe

Also I am starting to also be a mlp theorist
Maybe sooner or later I can join the rift cafe

Hi dr I'm a great fan of ur videos could u give me a shout out

Hello there, doctor wolf living in a world surrounded by what could be his prey


This is kind of unrelated to Discord’s timeline, but I noticed that the timeline when Tirek and Scorpan visited Equestria just doesn’t add up. In the flashback, we see that Sorpan befriended a young wizard, who appears to be Starswirl the Bearded. But this doesn’t make sense since the two royal sisters were already grownup. Luna commented in Shadow Play Part 1 that, “We never met the other Pillars, and we were too young to understand the dangers that they faced.” (Also she referenced that they don’t even know who the Pony of Shadows is.) By the time Celestia and Luna were grown up, the Pillars would have already trapped the Pony of Shadows in Limbo and Starswirl would have been there with them.


One thing that I've always wondered was the Mean Six... You mentioned a lot about balance but there can't be harmony without disharmony but I just never understood why there are no elements of disharmony... We see the elements of harmony all the time but disharmony? we only have chaos... so are there others? I personally think that there could be since the tree instantly killed the mean six who you would expect to really balance out everything which could show that there are already embodiments of disharmony existing...


Discord is a “spirit of chaos” if he does not have chaos to survive, he wisps away.

explains why he was real weak and jumpy when he lost his magic


Discord's voice actor also played the character 'Q' in star trek. he was also known for playing cruel jokes on others.

I like to pretend that Q goes to the MLP universe and causes trouble on purpose. Even in Star Trek, I feel like Q would befriend Fluttershy.


I prefer to believe that Discord is a force of nature. A manifestation of entropy. (Either that or Q is just bored of messing with Picard and found a new outlet)


Imagine if we do so many theories and things and in the end Hasbro will say "oh,well we just tough it would be cool charachter,we didn't made him a backstory..."


my theory is that discord came to be the moment chaos started to exist, kind of like kwamis in mlb. take trix, for example. she only came to be during the first form of illusion
discord might have only gained powers after enough chaos was present. Discord could have existed when Grogar did, he just didn't have enough power to conquer equestria.
the first instance of harmony created the spirit of harmony, which took form of the tree of harmony and the elements, and then the treehouse of harmony. The two spirits were created possibly at the same time to create a balance.

I srsly believe this too because when discord trixy and starlight are defeating chrysalis he says “I haven’t walked in a millennia “


Discord said " you pony's are the most fun I had in eons." So he way older then Luna and Celestia so time could fit.

He could have been in some other dimension or maybe roamed on other continent until he came to equestria


If you take a look at Tirek and Scorpan you notice that they are also made of of different parts that in Tirek’s case didn’t separate when their magic was taken away, Discord could be one of the members of this kingdom which would explain why he knows who king Vorak is as Discord mentioned him is the finale.


I think that Discord was around when Titec turned to the datk side, he even said something to Tirec: that he tried to please dear old daddy. So he was around than. I really like your video’s 🤩


In the episode  " The Return of Harmony, when Ms. Cheerilee said "this is a Draconequus" pointing at the statue of discord. So discord is a draconequus and when you search the word draconequus up it shows pictures of him. All the evidence says that discord is a draconequus. hope this is helpful :))


Ok ok. What if discord was a baby so he had time he needed time to grow. And if you need a time to grow, then that’s why we didn’t see him until the episode so it could be that he was a baby so he had to grow up.


I bet the creators are probably like "damn these theorists know much more about our series than us"


I recently had some thoughts about the "Did Grogar create Discord?" topic. It's somewhat linked to a separate idea that I'm hoping to make my own post about later.
We never see how Grogar made his monsters in the show. He could have made them from scratch by mixing magic samples from different species. He might have used one creature as a base and infused them with magic from other animals similar to how Fluttershy became a bat-pony. Either method could have resulted in the creation of a draconequus.
Regarding the time gap between Discord's possible birth and his "debut", maybe some kind of stasis spell was involved. After all, there are spells that can turn living beings into stone or make an entire empire vanish and remain frozen in time for centuries. And let's not forget Star Swirl's Limbo spell.
Another idea is that there were some "monster ingredients" left after Grogar's banishment that were somehow mixed together and brought to life through a series of chance events…like spilled chemicals struck by a bolt of lightning. I'm not too sure about this scenario, but it could happen considering how the changelings were apparently born from a rotten acorn that fell into a magical pond in one MLP comic.


I have one (minor) issue with your timelines: you always assume that Discord showed up when the Tree of Harmony was fully grown - but what if his reign had gone on for far longer, after the Pillars' disappearance, but long before the tree matured? The Sisters would have been forced to flee, only returning to Equestria upon hearing tales of "Elements" that could defeat Discord to be found beneath their old castle. Recall how they reacted to seeing the Tree of Harmony - as if for the first time, or at least the first time in this form.

Given their lifespans, this period of time could have been arbitrarily long, too...


My used to be theory:
Discord was born by parents, of course lmao but maybe they didn't want a creature of chaos as their child so they sent him away. Discord grew up lonely and sad and when he figured he was a creature of chaos, that was how he was supposed to act. Celestia and luna came to stop him and he hated Celestia ever since. When he was freed, he wanted to destroy Twilight and her friends because they were trying to stop him. And then, in 'keep calm and flutter on' he said he never actually had a friend before. Discord has a soft side, and Fluttershy gave him a chance. But then when she said she is not his friend, he didn't like it. He had cried, and he turned it back because of Fluttershy not being his friend anymore. He's now reformed, and that's that. My used to be theory

My used to be theory:
Discord was born by *parents,* of course lmao but maybe they didn't want a creature of chaos as their child so they sent him away. Discord grew up lonely and sad and when he figured he was a creature of chaos, that was how he was supposed to act. Celestia and luna came to stop him and he hated Celestia ever since. When he was freed, he wanted to destroy Twilight and her friends because they were trying to stop him. And then, in 'keep calm and flutter on' he said he never actually had a friend before. Discord has a soft side, and Fluttershy gave him a chance. But then when she said she is not his friend, he didn't like it. He had cried, and he turned it back because of Fluttershy not being his friend anymore. He's now reformed, and that's that. My used to be theory


I have a problem with the theory that the Tree of Harmony pulled Discord into Equestria. There are just so many clashing references to his timeline that you didn’t include. For example, the Smooze. At the Grand Galloping Galla, when Discord was introducing the Smooze, he said, “You don’t think I have other friends? I’m centuries old!” (Emphasis on centuries old) Also he knows Tirek’s father, King Vorack. If he was just pulled into the world by the Tree of Harmony and then was turned to stone by Celestia and Luna, there is no way he could have known these two since he was busy reining chaos down on Equestria and then trapped in stone. Another thing is that in Where To and Back Again, Discord says, “I haven’t walked that far in a millennia.” I know that this seems to be an exaggeration, but I think it might be an actual reference to his timeline.

Discord's timeline is really confusing. But I think it's like that for a reason, I mean, he <i>is</i> the spirt of chaos and all, so it makes some seance in a weird way.

Discord's timeline is really confusing. But I think it's like that for a reason, I mean, he _is_ the spirt of chaos and all, so it makes some seance in a weird way.

I like to think that Discord is as old as the universe itself, and the physical representation of chaos, brought into being by whatever fundamental magical forces govern MLP's physics. He happened upon Equestria at some point, stuck around for a few centuries, got bored, started causing chaos, and got hit with the Rainbow LaserTM.


This entire theory makes me want like a comedy duo of Spirit of Harmony and Discord being frenemies. Would also give a chance to make an original design/personality for the Spirit so we don’t have to deal with creepy sparkly twilight


It was interesting to listen to your thoughts on Discord and his origins. Thanks for sharing this with us! ^_^
If the Tree of Harmony was created from the combined magic and traits of the Pillars, maybe Discord was born from ambient energies of conflict and disharmony from various beings in Equestria (ponies, dragons, griffons, etc.). That's assuming he was born in Equestria and not in "Chaosville" where his house is.
The fading away failsafe theory reminds me of the Soot Sprites in Spirited Away, who need to work or the magic that animates them will fade away. As for the part about spreading fear vs. spreading chaos, I had a thought about that. There's an episode of Gargoyles where the trickster Puck saves Elisa's life by twisting Demona's wish to "rid me of that human". He changes Elisa into a gargoyle, technically fulfilling the requirements of the demand. If Discord had been told to cause trouble for the ponies, he could have exploited any loopholes he could find to do things HIS way.


I remember hearing a theory where the draconequus were the native species to equestria, but ponies started their kingdom and hunted the Draconequus to extinction, with discord being one of the only left, it's kinda confusing but it would make sense depending on how you saw it


While I have never seen the series as a whole (bits and pieces mostly) discord became one of my favorite characters fast and understanding his origin is one of the best things that has happened


I love the theory of the yin and yang. I could imagine when chaos grew with all the issues that took place in equestria in the time of Luna and Celestia. His spirit got stronger and then he turned from a chaos spirit to an actual body. And so he actually appeared, and his appearance was of chaos. Multiple creatures combined in one. He also can change his appearance constantly so maybe he chooses to look the way he is now because it's his preference. And he labeled himself a draconaquis.  So that's how he was referred discord the draconaquis.   Kind of like the tree how it keeps transforming. I also like the theory of him being friends with Luna and Celestia until they stopped paying attention to him. We all have seen what happens when the main six didn't involve him.  He would get passive aggressive and start toying with them. I could see peace among the alicorns and him until he got bad. Due to jealousy. And maybe it's why she believes that he could reform with a friend's help with fluttershys help. Because she used to be friends with him.


"Opposites aren't supposed to be at odds"

Super heroes and super villains

Fire and water

The base premise of good and evil

Opposites are constantly at odds, even if they're supposed to be the yin and yang to each other

@Emma Korhonen have you heard of the sun? Theres no trees burning there just gas with no water needed to create helium and hydrogen

Superheros and supervillains AREN'T opposite. How? Because "You and I aren't so different after all."

Correction, the don't always NEED to be at odds. Not over opposite has to class. Hero's and Villains class, but as he said, Chaos and Order don't, they need to work together. To much order and nothing ever changes, to much chaos and nothin is ever stable enough to grow. Theirs a difference between change and growth, change means things purely being different, growth means building from the past.

@Emma Korhonen I mean that's sort of what I was trying to say, but I honestly think you explained it a lot better

but i mean without super villains there wouldnt be super heros or with out water there wouldnt be fire (you need water to grow things like treea and plants that fire can burn, without objects that can be set on fire, fire couldnt burn anything)


I asked my sister if she thought grogar or star swirl had created discord and she said she thought he just suddenly popped up lol


I think that the storm king, tirek, discord and tirek’s brother, Scorpan came from like one place cuz they all look like mixes of different creatures and thank you for reading my Ted talk lol


I understand why you brushed aside the starswirl theory, but I think it might be possible.

Starswirl was a powerful unicorn who had created many spells and such. As a test of his capabilities, he attempted creating a spirit. He understood the  idea of yin-yang, and created something ever so slightly chaotic to "spice things up". Starswirl soon lost control of his creation, it going off to do whatever. (idk, this theory isn't super fleshed out) Starswirl and the gang were sent to limbo, weakening discord's bond to order. As the tree of harmony grew, discord grew to balance it. In time discord, being a physical creature, was able to spread chaos faster than the (still growing) tree of harmony could spread order. Soon, the world was enveloped in chaos. The sisters (celestia and luna) used the full force of the elements against discord, trapping him in stone. for now. ALSO------- about the whole fading away thing, when discord lost the one thing that made him chaotic, (which btw, being chaotic is his his sole purpose)   He was seen as "no longer needed in the balance of equestria" and thus began to vanish.

AGAIN!!! THIS IS JUST A THEORY!!!! I am not a huge MLP theorist, so I couldn't be 100 percent certain. ALSO ALSO I really haven't done any research so correct me if half the info is super screwed up~ thx for reading :)


Sabertooth:Grogar could be the maker of discord

Discord: Hey bitches! Y'all wrong!


Like always Brony Notion, another excellent and superb theory vid i love it, and also like always you make some good and or valid points.

I never thought the show's lore would get this deep!


This is a very late comment but, regarding the ‘very new and young’ type theory on the harmony tree pulling out discord, its like we see him getting older and maturing. Finding friendship and knowing when chaos is needed and when its not, etc, like getting older and learning things of the sort


I actually thought up your theory right when you started to explain it. But I think it’s a little more that the Tree of Harmony and Discord already existed before hand but in a more spiritual way before the Tree we f Harmony was given a physical form by Starswirl and the other pillars and Discord gained a physical form because of it he just got to choose what form he wanted as his base and did so by combining the various physical parts of multiple creatures.


Thank you for the video! It is really fascinating. One problem I see with this theory is the fact that in Twilight's Kingdom, Tirek refers to Discord as a legend and definitely someone he had already known before. It kind of implies that Discord is far older than Tirek which would mean in turn that Discord was not the product of ToH. So, I believe that Discord had existed long before the point in the timeline you had outlined.

My hypothesis is that Discord used to be Grogar but then Gusty the Great somehow found a way to turn his powers against him, maybe using the Bewitching Bell. The bell removed a large portion of Grogar's powers, MAINLY: the portion that allowed him to control his magic. Once Gusty had done that - Grogar's immense power gone haywire and deformed him into the creature that became Discord. Gusty figured that if she could not defeat him - she would make him less organized, because it's better to have a powerful goofball who does whatever than a powerful malicious villain who will definitely mean you harm.

However, in Season 2, once freed, Discord went on to immediately conquer Equestria, why did he not do this back when Scorpan and Tirek had invaded? Because, after stealing the bell, Gusty had banished him to the shadow realm. Or, rather, chaos realm. In there, Grogar looked for ways to return to Equestria, but residing in the chaos realm changed him and, in time, he became chaos incarnate. This would explain how Chaos, a force that should not have a vessel (cuz it's chaotic), could manifest itself into one creature. Because Grogar was THAT powerful, and he continued hoarding more power while in the chaos realm. Grogar serves the same function to chaos as a bottle does for water. As a side note, I also found it very peculiar that Discord could imitate Grogar so well without ever cracking up or doing something goofy, it just seems out of character for him to be THAT serious, unless Grogar really is someone he used to be.


Here is my theory: <br>Discord may have been created the moment the tree was planted as an accidental experiment trying to create a new, more powerful pony. Star swirl created the final figure of an alicorn later btw. The "parents" of Discord could have abandoned him for not being perfect. He grew up to be a chaotic, evil monster and was raised by evil ponies and creatures who kept adopting and abandoning him. Soon, he learnt to fend for himself and took over Equestria. Then Celestia and Luna turned him into stone. After a lot of rambling around, Opaline found Discord. This was probs in the after season 9. She gave him a job to try to give her dragon dust. Because he is friends with the owner of A DRAGON, he successfully gave her the dragon dust. He probs lured Spike to give him the dust as a "souvenir". That is what the statement at the end of chapter 1 of make your mark is about. Anyways that's my theory!

Here is my theory:
Discord may have been created the moment the tree was planted as an accidental experiment trying to create a new, more powerful pony. Star swirl created the final figure of an alicorn later btw. The "parents" of Discord could have abandoned him for not being perfect. He grew up to be a chaotic, evil monster and was raised by evil ponies and creatures who kept adopting and abandoning him. Soon, he learnt to fend for himself and took over Equestria. Then Celestia and Luna turned him into stone. After a lot of rambling around, Opaline found Discord. This was probs in the after season 9. She gave him a job to try to give her dragon dust. Because he is friends with the owner of A DRAGON, he successfully gave her the dragon dust. He probs lured Spike to give him the dust as a "souvenir". That is what the statement at the end of chapter 1 of make your mark is about. Anyways that's my theory!


Just to add to this, yin and yang can topple each other - that’s when disequilibrium happens, aka change. The concept is just that it reaches a new state, whether growing or destructive, or restabilises to what it was before. The yin yang is suppose to swirl in circle: think of it like this, in its (clockwise) motion, when black is on the left, it’s also slight on top. That’s autumn, a transitionary state or process. When black reaches the top, it’s winter, more of a state than process. Then white, at the bottom, proceeds upwards, to the left. That’s spring. When it reaches the top, it’s summer. Then the cycle repeats.
To add, yin and yang doesn’t necessarily mean sth bad and good, like chaos and harmony. In fact, you’re more correct to associate yin with harmony and yang with chaos. Yin kinda is absence of energy, like the act of reservation and absorption, like lack of warmth in winter, which too much of it is like an implosion. Yang is energetic, and too much of it is chaotic, lack of cold to stop the rising summer heat, like an explosion.
Just a subtle redefinition of the yin yang thing. In the end, it still supports the theory cuz too much of one or the other is destructive in itself, that’s why it’s reasonable that the princess wishes to reform Discord to good chaos


My theory is that discord came from the everfree forest. When the pillars planted the tree  of harmony the forest sensed it and wanted it destroyed. So it started to form a creature and that creature was discord.  When discord planted the seeds they were black and the trees in the forest are more darker colored.  When the seeds started growing they were most intense in the forest. what proved that wrong is because the tree was in the forest


When you take into account real life segments of mythology that the draconequus are lightly based on a plausible answer to discord's (and the other spirits which exist but we haven't seen in this show) existence is the idea that he himself is infact a true god. Not a magically crafted god, e.g. celestia. Or was created by higher gods.


really good, though imo it's "advanced tactics" to have planted seeds, I'd be surprised that Discord would be so young and unexperimented when he did that. But that would explain how he got so naive in season 2's opening, which I always thought was bizarre for a centuries old spirit. You need a serious dose of overconfidence to be that blinded into thinking breaking friendship once was enough and no more monitoring was required.


one thing I can add with theory is Discord even knowing what the tree of harmony was even in the first fight with Celestia and Luna from him turning to stone so knowing that helps you out more


This makes sense honestly, it would also explain why Discord looks the way he does. If the Tree of Harmony actually did pull him into existence as a counter being of chaos, it would have difficulty choosing what the being would look like as it would be of pure chaos, creating an amalgamation in the...well, chaos of it all.


probably grogar was discords idol when he was evil and then discord found the right time to strike at his first attempt


Well I think with the first two theories depending on what age he spawned in the world he could have had to grow up and if it was star swirl who created him he could have learned some good lessons so it took him longer to rebel


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I think matpat got in the mirror pool and made sawtooth wawes

Well we’ve never seen them in the same room together have we? 😏😏

I never noticed that but that is true O-O

Is matpat from film theory  food theory and game theory

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if discord is the spirit of disharmoney does that means the elements of disharmoney exists

@Sawtooth Waves you and Mat showed team up and figure out the entire timeline of MLP

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This is just a joke please don’t be a person who says”ofcourse not dumb-“ and then some cuss words

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Sawtooth Waves I love that you know Matpat

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11:17 This same pic and  concept was shown in a kirby vid by matpat

I just noticed that!
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@Daniel von Strangle I like both channels

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I actually almost thought matpat did a mlp theory 😂

That's kind of what he is. The MatPat for Bronies.

@Moondust2365 some people just look at thumbnails aka me !

I'm not kidding I thought this was a mat pat vid for a second

Holy cow That just clicked it does have a matpat style to it 😂

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[I'm just typing this joke because I am disappointed that nobody else has yet.]
But that's just a theory... A PONY THEORY!
[Wait I think there was another MLP theory Youtuber who had that as their outro. Oops!]

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I like this theory a lot and Discord came from another dimension so it makes sense that Sawtooth said “he just got pulled into this world”


this is where i’m confused. tirek already knew discord before the episode where tirek stole equestrian magic, and on your timeline tirek was around before the tree of harmony. did discord meet tirek another time or was discord around when tirek was ‘hearing stories about grogar’?


But in the two part changling finale, Discord says “I haven’t walked this far in millennia” maybe he was alive but only gained enough straight after the tree.


@Sawtooth Waves<br> My theory came from how he was introduced. In the first episode we see him, he breaks out of the stone because of the arguing (or ‘chaos/disharmony’ around him). My thought was maybe that is how he came to be. There cannot be a world without disagreements and a bit of chaos here and there. My theory is that when disharmony came into creation, when past people argued the first time, Discord kinda just popped into existence. I think he would start off as a yin yang thing, and contribute, but then eventually desired power and attempted to take over, resulting in the first time he was turned to stone.

@Sawtooth Waves
 My theory came from how he was introduced. In the first episode we see him, he breaks out of the stone because of the arguing (or ‘chaos/disharmony’ around him). My thought was maybe that is how he came to be. There cannot be a world without disagreements and a bit of chaos here and there. My theory is that when disharmony came into creation, when past people argued the first time, Discord kinda just popped into existence. I think he would start off as a yin yang thing, and contribute, but then eventually desired power and attempted to take over, resulting in the first time he was turned to stone.


Ok, we NEED to see Discord interact with the Spirit of Harmony before G5

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@OmgLloydisPurple  The MLP franchise has different Generations, each set in what I assume must be different universes. G1 had humans and the original smooze, G2 was to my knowledge just a toy line, G3 had the cursed earth pony Rainbow Dash with the personality of G4 Rarity, and G4 is the 'Friendship Is Magic' series, which in my opinion is the best Generation so far. G5, or Generation 5, is the upcoming generation of MLP, if/when they decide to create a new universe for MLP.

@Element’s Fanfics thank you so much for your answer! I didn't know that😲 sounds interesting!

@iloveyou65802 Its not a dumb question at all, actually. I had to look it up myself before answering. The different eras of MLP all happen in different 'generations'.

G1 was the very first one, giving a movie based off a popular toy line.

G2 was purely toys, with no movies of TV shows to go along with it.

G3 and G3.5 gave us an earth pony Rainbow Dash who was basically Rarity, which we do not speak about as it is cursed information.

G4, the one we're at right now, is by far the best one. It has given us not only a much better understanding of the world that the other generations neglected to give us, its tackled problems that many people don't want to talk about, given us complex villains, created characters who have flaws but are still likable and realistic, and made me realize that I may be the female human reincarnation of the lord of chaos. I kid you not, my spirit animal is Discord.

 G5 is the upcoming generation of MLP, which I very much hope takes place in the same universe as G4. The only requests I have for G5, provided it takes place in the same universe, are that they keep Discord as an active character and that they give us information on what the Mane Six are doing, whether they're ruling, retired, or even dead by G5. I don't think the Mane Six will be dead, as ponies appear to have quite long lifespans, but its a possibility.


There is still one thing that kind of sits in the way of the “starswirl created Alicorns” theory.
Why didn’t he become one?
He technically created a new kind of magic by combining them all, right?


Discord was made by star swirl and star swirl thought it would be devastrophical to equestria so he trapped discord for a long time, but every year he would have to cast the spell again. When he went to limbo, he couldn’t cast the spell so overtime he broke out and made all of equestria chaos. What do you think, am I correct? Tell me in the reply section!


i have an interesting theory. according to your alicorn theory starswirl made an enchantment that would turn anypony into a alicorn provided that they had expanded on magic. we know discord has his own chaos magic this discovery could have triggered starswirl's enchantment but since discord by origin probably wasnt a pony the enchantment continued is progress and might have blended him with other random creatures. his immense power would have probably came from the fact that choas magic might as base be very powerful and spent a few years honing his power to reach his level today


I think that with the previous theories about him being a creation of Grogar, that he was OUTSIDE of (Canon) reality, because of this quote

"You know I could just *Show* you how to use my magic, it would give you power over ALL creation"

I think that with the previous theories about him being a creation of Grogar, that he was OUTSIDE of (Canon) reality, because of this quote

"You know I could just **Show** you how to use my magic, it would give you power over *ALL* creation"


Me: "You can't solve discord-"

Sawtooth: "Hold my apple cider"


I was thinking about that, and I thought about Discord’s dimension making, so maybe he came from one of his dimensions where he lives, or he came from a totally different dimension and stayed in Equestria.


Hot take: what if the royal sisters accidentally made him when trying to get rid of Chaos? Maybe there's just too much so they tried to put it on one spot and lock it away but it turned into him? Idk

Edit: what the- HOW WAS I KINDA RIGHT!?!?


I LOVE this theory sooooo much!! I am going to tell all my friends about this!


I'm still rather convinced by the 'Grogar created Discord' theory, and I think the timeline can be explained by having Grogar be immune to Discord's power and able to do whatever he wants to him.  Discord was created to be Grogar's all-powerful ultimate weapon, but of course he's too chaotic and free spirited for anyone else to safely and effectively harness the full extent of his power.  Having written his son off as a lost cause, Grogar would have threatened Discord with destruction and/or dis-empowerment to stop him infringing upon his rule, and Discord was traumatised into absolute compliance.  Not long after that Grogar was dis-empowered by Gusty; however it took until Equestria was fully established and the royal sisters grown up for Discord to become fully convinced that his father was gone for good and he had nothing to be afraid of.

@Bethany Gallop I know, that was kinda a let down, but maybe there is still hope that grogar isn't a myth and that discord was actually a creation of grogar but he passed away years before. So that's how discord could picture him so well... or I might be wrong 😟

I extremely agree with this theory, it makes a lot of sense but adds for clues


Harmony symbolised with the mains like: 1 person, 1 part and chaos symbolised by Discord by: a part of many in only 1 piece


As we saw in season 9 Tirek cannot absorb non living magic so if he was a creation of grogar sewn together by grogar's magic as far as I know after     magic is cast it doesn't count as a living being so when Tirek stole discord magic energy(I believe that everyone has a magic spark and using magic takes magic energy not magic.Discord has his own special chaotic magic spark.So when Tirek takes there magic energy they get tired and almost unable to move because they also use energy for everything then compare it to when cozy stole the magic and you can see a difference 😉.).


you know, that might be right. I mean i have watched a lot of movies or shows were one side can't live without the other, then if they split apart, it might just cause chaos. And if you took away chaos and just left harmony, well you know the saying " To much of a good thing is a bad thing." It all makes sense, and I mostly think Flutter shy found out Discord can be nice long before anyone else found out. She did reform him by not attacking.


Season 2, episode "Return of Harmony part 2", direct quote:
"I'm not being fair? Perhaps we haven't met! I'm Discord, Spirit of Chaos and Disharmony? "

So, basically, there's that idea confirmed.


When Discord introduces the Smooze to Fluttershy, he boasts of being centuries old. I think he's possibly the most ancient being in Equestria.

@Mackenzie Harman when discord is defeating chrysalis with starlight and trixy he says “j haven’t walked in a millennia” which makes me believe he actually could’ve been created by Grogar of starswirl

@Mackenzie Harman <br>Also it was a quick transition for him to go from ‘chaos everywhere’ to ‘just a little bit of chaos after all I need to live’ so we can assume he’s done it before

@Mackenzie Harman
Also it was a quick transition for him to go from ‘chaos everywhere’ to ‘just a little bit of chaos after all I need to live’ so we can assume he’s done it before

but a century is 100 years, star swirl dates back a couple of millennia (if i am not mistaken) as well as tirek and grogar. even if it is centuries and not a century, why would he use that instead of millennia? why didn’t he try cause chaos in equestria before the first time he was ever mentioned? it can be argued that he was still developing his powers, but that would mean he was developing his powers before grogar which was probably a good 500 to 1100 years before his first appearance

Jonquil Gemstone Know what probably right


I have a guess. Maybe a certain "spark" of the Discord was lit a long time ago and over time this spark turned into the Discord we know. Well, or is it the concept of chaos that has realized itself.

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I know this is an older video, and I don't really watch MLP myself (anymore), but I always loved Discords character, so I wanted to give this a watch. Watching this theory, the Yin and Yang here... reminded me of something.
You see, in the Pokemon World, there was an Original Dragon Type Pokemon. Being one at that time, suddenly, its trainers, two brothers, got into a huge argument with each other about goals in life, separating the one dragon into these two Dragon type Pokemon, and sought after their own goals in life: Reshiram, a white coloured Fire type dragon (Representive of Yang), who sought after the truth with the older brother, and Zekrom, the black coloured Electric type dragon (Representive of Yin), who sought after ideals with the younger brother.
But, once they got separated, they left a husk, an empty core, icy cold, bit of the Original Dragon behind... This, is how Kyurem, the Ice type Dragon (Representive of the concept of Wuji, the absence of Yin and Yang), became to be, completing but being separated, the Tao Trio. Left behind from both without life energy, it was left unbalanced, enraged.
So why am I telling you all of this? Well. After what I know and remember of the show, Discord is unstable most of the time because he needs the evilness from the evil within Equestria, but he also needs the harmony from Equestria as well. This is the reason he needs his chaotic being, to be alive.
So, what I'm trying to tell you is, that Discord has the same origin story as Kyurem, the concept of Wuji, the chaos left behind from Yin and Yang. Both left to nothingness, left being a husk, a shell, of emptiness. Until that one day, some detailing reason came to disturb the husk, and both were to disturb the balance of both side of the Yin and Yang;
Kyurem was captured by Team Plasma in Black and White 2 games to bring chaos upon the region of Unova, but when one of the other dragons (depends on the game you're playing) came with their new trainer, N, (whose real name is Natural Harmonia Gropius, btw, huh, coincidence?), they fought against Team Plasma to rescue Kyurem with the player of the game, to being left again to its natural, empty state to bring peace back to the region.
When Equestria was in an unbalancing state, it woke up the Prince of Chaos, to try to rule over it. Equestria needed the Mane 6 to fight against him, and won the fight, just to discover later that they needed Discord later on, (Which forward I do not know about), to bring his chaotic energy to win against the other evil of the MLP franchises villains. Whilst being on somewhat good terms with Discord, and saw that they really need Discord to be a tie breaker between the good and the evil within Equestria. But this is just my theory, my discovery.

Thank you for anyone reading this, it was a pleasure sharing this point of view to bring more stories to tell and theorize more about Discord. Also, I'd like to give Bulbapedias website to helping me reminding with some details of the Tao Trios story. -My name is Zyworn, and I'm from The Volcanic Dojo.

P.S.: If any information I've given about Discord here in my theory is wrong by any means, I'd really appreciate if you'd tell me, so I know what I got wrong about it and correct it asap. Thank you already!


there is alot of potential with this show that i havent noticed before, they should make a prequel series


I just have to point out one mistake - in 4:13 it is stated that without their magic monsters are split into their base components. But in the same episode that this happens, Twilight states that those creatures don't have their magic powers, since they were taken by Cozy Glow, but still possess the magic that makes them what they are. It is evident that these two types of magic is different. It is possible that when Tirek gives away his magic, or earlier sucks away Discord's magic, the magic that makes them into what they are simply isn't a part of the magic that leaves.


Maybe he was sticking to a dimension that he is the only living thing to practice his chaotic power. Maybe the reason why he didn’t show up until later on was because he needed to master his abilities. No one can master power like that in a day. Not even the Lord of Chaos. He probably grew up like everyone else but one day found out he has great power. It would take years for him to master that much power. So he stuck to his own dimension to practice for years alone. That much power lead him to think he can do anything he wants. Like how Sunset Shimmer felt when she had power. Like how Twilight felt in the human world in the movie “Friendship Games”. That part of my theory is proven on the episode that he was reformed. He said it himself, “I can do whatever I want, whenever I want...” He realized that if he wanted one thing, he had to give up something else.

Well that’s what I think. Reply for questions

Interesting theory, bUt, isn't he a spirit ? Not a creature that was born like everyone else, but an embodiment of chaos

Interesting theory, bUt, isn't he a _spirit_ ? Not a creature that was born like everyone else, but an _embodiment of chaos_


My theory is that long ago there was a pony that wanted more power so he learned old ancient magic to combine his magic with other creatures´magic he did this untill he destroyed his origin kingdom a kingdom that was forgotten and didnt have any acces to all of equestria once he destroyed it he went to equestria and you know the story oh and discord never talked about the kingdom because he repented after seeing his lost ones gone


I haven’t watched the show for years I didn’t think it would change this much
I remember when Netflix wasn’t even a thing
And I also remember the old old my little pony


I like the theory (especially the symbolism) but Tirek clearly already new of Discord since he calls him by name when they first meet and much later Discord taunts Tirek with his past troubles with his father during his childhood. This implies that either Discord is far older or perhaps all "incarnations" of Discord share the same form and memories with Tirek having encountered an older form of Discord than the one born from the tree.


This is my favorite theory of yours because it works so well with the time line and everything discord.


Here's a thought: when the pillars planted the seed, it had split into two halves; the spirit of harmony and the spirit of chaos. The reason chaos and harmony were at war at first was because one wanted to eliminate the other, it's like arthritis. The body attacks itself due to thinking there is something wrong with the joints, which causes pain and misery to that joint (or so I've heard), what if chaos is attacking harmony or vise versa due to them both thinking one is an illness. Another theory is that they are being territorial siblings (the origin that chaos and harmony split while growing is still a thing). If my theory is correct and they are the same thing, just got split during the growing process, then that would mean Discord is at least part plant or rock (or both), which to me is amusing. Bet Maud Pie would like that.

Also, this would explain how the spirit of chaos is an "animal" and the spirit of harmony is a "plant", going back to the Yin-Yang theory, plants cannot survive without animals and vise versa, so when the spirits decided to do an alliance, they decided to help each other out as if it was a flower and a bee.

But that's just a theory, a Discord theory.

Edit: darn, Event HoriXZ0n beat me to figuring it out.


I have one a theory.
The entire show has had the theme of balancing Chaos and Harmony.
So when the royal sisters created true Harmony. Discord just came into existence to balance things out.


Discord's power was removed, the others had their magical essence of their very form stripped out.


I have seen this theory quit later than it started and after seeing the all the episodes about discord, grogar and all that stuff, almost everybody knows that this theory of Grogar making Discord is absolutely wrong cause Discord is Grogar (actually to help Twilight) so it is still no clear where discord came from.


1:39 Well I know where discord has been and it started like this......

Long ago, a powerful wizard named star swirl created a beast from many  creatures but instead of giving good like star swirls wanted he terrorised the pony kind so star swirl casted a spell before going to limbo making so his beast stays in the tree of harmony until its fully grown then discord came and 2 sisters USED THE ELMENTS OF HARMONY THE THINGS THAT GREW FROM THE THING HE WAS STUCK IN FOR A LONG TIME on him turning him to stone so on so forth........

That's my theory 😁


I just realized MLP is supposed to be a kid's show(It's intended for kids but adults can still watch it if they want to )

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Us teens and adults really just f*cked kids over with all these theorys huh

jSkrat Nyarlathotep then prove every fnaf theory then

But when there was the power ponies the mean girl said IDiOtS

I thought it was a kid show until my cousin forced me to watch it

Lord of the rings, hobbit, pirates of the caribbean, star wars are also "ment for kids".

who cares about the kids, we have a theory to prove!


This theory is great but you overlooked one teensy detail. In TwighLights Kingdom Part 1, Tirek says ”You are Discord, you are legend.” Which means Discord previously existed before the tree was planted since Tirek knew who Discord was before he was imprisoned in Tartarus. Unless he learned about Discord while he was in Tartarus somehow.


Didn't celestia say and I  quote  -
"Discord is the mischievous spirit of disharmony
Before my sister and I stood up to him
He ruled equestria in a eternal state  of unrest and unhappiness
Luna and I saw how miserable life was for earth ponies ,pegasi and unicorns alike
So after discovering the elements of harmony
We combined our powers and rose up against him
Turning him to stone"
that means he conquered  equestria way before luna and celestia turned him to stone and I'm talking very long before they petrified him i think that might be  answer to the  timing


Discord created the tree of harmony after the pillars planted it. that means there was no harmony before he came. So that means the three tribes  made  Discord to begin with. By accident.


Honestly, I think discord formed out of every beings chaotic misdeeds and good deeds, more bad than good causing an unbalanced scale and for him to turn evil at first
This also explains why he has different body parts, as he was made of different creatures misdeeds!
Idk man I’m tryna put my thinking cap on-

Honestly, I think discord formed out of every beings chaotic misdeeds and good deeds, more bad than good causing an unbalanced scale and for him to turn evil *at first*
This also explains why he has different body parts, as he was made of *different creatures* misdeeds!
Idk man I’m tryna put my thinking cap on-


Chaos and harmony are not opposites. Harmony is a combination of order and chaos.

Star_Child16 But maybe it takes time. Maybe his spirit was waiting for the bad chaos but when it wasn’t getting it for a while he started to fade.

I don’t think they mean chaos. His name is discord. He is the spirit of disharmony, like, you know, non - friendship? I think that makes sense....


I know how Discord was created

It all started with Jason Citron, he wanted to make an app where everybody around the world can communicate while playing online games.
Discord was started to solve one problem: How to communicate with friends around the world while playing games online. Since childhood, founders Jason Citron and Stan Vishnevskiy both shared a love of video games, cherishing the friendships and connections that formed while playing them.

Oh you mean the character from MLP


I like the theory about star swirl making discord, but theres one flaw. When discord teamed up with with starlight, trixie, and thorax, he said that he hadn't walked in a millenia. This implies that Discord is even older than a millenia. I don't think star swirl is THAT old. I love your videos, they really make me think.


<i>well keep in mind, he was put as a statue in the Canterlot garden, having been turned to stone and being freed later on.</i> at least this is what I remember. So he could have been made by Starswirl but as soon as he started causing Chaos and Destruction, he might have been turned to stone just to be accidentally freed centuries later. Which could explain the large gap in the timeline.

_well keep in mind, he was put as a statue in the Canterlot garden, having been turned to stone and being freed later on._ at least this is what I remember. So he could have been made by Starswirl but as soon as he started causing Chaos and Destruction, he might have been turned to stone just to be accidentally freed centuries later. Which could explain the large gap in the timeline.


Do we consider the comics on this channel(if not that's cool too)? I know they're technically not canon, but the Cosmos arc does delve into his backstory and goes into the different kinds of chaos(chaos-chance-madness-ect) and helps flesh out Discord's true relationship to Equestria


Kinda like Luna vs Nightmare Moon and Celestia vs Daybreaker, Fluttershy vs Flutterbat and Cadance vs Chrysalis


What if StarSwirl made discord before going to Limbo, but cast him away with magic and imprisoned him, but when StarSwirl disappeared, so did his spell, and Discord was set free?


But, Discord made a cameo in "Fiendship is Magic" in Tirek's issue, then his words towards him in "The Ending of the End" further confirms that Discord is familiar with young Tirek. But the issue took place before Tirek and Scorpan came to Equestria seeking Equestrian magic, and that was when Starswirl was still around (so, before he took over Equestria the first time). So, no, sorry. Here, you can see him around 7:08
https://youtu.be/MdzUe4842Xo


Maybe the timeline gap thingies can be explained by: Discord was still young, and he was still growing up back then. Hopefully Sawtooth Waves sees this because I’m a huge fan!


look at how OLD discord is. he could have easily been made by star swirl before he went to limbo, and of course, it is possible that he spent all this time in his home, and we are now sure that he has one, planning on how to make everything chaotic. it could take decades for such a master plan, especially since he came very close to ruling all of equestria.


it could be that the everfree forest made discord to take revenge on the the pillars and tree of harmony for keeping it in control. It also explain how he got the seeds  (I don't know how but it makes sense to me)


I like how you used Bach's Fugue In D Minor which was the original melody for the intro to Eurobeat Brony's song Discord!


I think grogar made discord
and i believe that in all those
years he was training or trained
just like what Tirek said no creture
can can control discords power of caos just like that so think she was
training

Sorry if i spelled something wrong


To me Discord is basically the MLP version of Giratina: a being not created by a god or god-like creature, but by their very universe to create balance. Their unhinged and chaotic, but not evil but instead antiheroes, independent agents that help the world in their own way.

I haven’t watched much of MLP, but I am a superfan of pokémon


''a powerful sorcerer like starswirl is bound to make mistakes''

discord is quaking

''a powerful sorcerer like starswirl is bound to make mistakes''

*discord is quaking*

If that would've been the plot (starswirl created discord) I wanna see them interact with eachother... discords reaction....

  "father?


The video that made me subscribe..

The reason was that I kept on seeing this video in my suggestion feed and I just wanted it to go away so I checked it out. After watching it, I loved it so much I made a playlist of every single theory you ever made.

Thank god for the YouTube suggestion feed 🥰


Well - there is just one problem with the Discord theory - in the end of the end, Discord reveals he knows about Tirek´s relationship with his father which suggests that he must have visited the kingdom of the centaurs when Tirek was young (confirmed in a comic issue). Now, Tirek and Scorpan came to Equestria prior to Starswirl´s disappearance so that is a proof Discord existed way before he took over Equestria the first time. <br>I have my own theory on the history of Equestria - when Grogar ruled the land, he created the monsters from ordinary creatures Discord spoke about but also Discord himself as his successor to spread evil and chaos - Discord therefore is a combination of harmony magic of ordinary creatures and Grogar´s own dark magic which manifested in a new kind of magic - chaos magic, a combination of the two sides. Therefore yes - Discord is sort of the bridge between the harmony side ( princesses - pillars - tree-elements - mane six) and the evil side formerly created to be an evil ruler just like Grogar but Celestia realized Discord´s power and thought that if he could start to appreciate harmony and learn to use his magic for good there will be balance between evil and good. Every creature in Equestria has two types of magic - harmony and dark and each of them affect the creature differently ( harmony magic = Luna, dark magic = Nightmare moon) however cannot be used simultaneously, otherwise chaos emerges. And thats Discord. And with the fading away - we have seen a connection between the essence of a pony and a change of magic (mane six turning grey after being corrupted) so perhaps Discord doesnt turn grey but will disappear instead.

Well - there is just one problem with the Discord theory - in the end of the end, Discord reveals he knows about Tirek´s relationship with his father which suggests that he must have visited the kingdom of the centaurs when Tirek was young (confirmed in a comic issue). Now, Tirek and Scorpan came to Equestria prior to Starswirl´s disappearance so that is a proof Discord existed way before he took over Equestria the first time.
I have my own theory on the history of Equestria - when Grogar ruled the land, he created the monsters from ordinary creatures Discord spoke about but also Discord himself as his successor to spread evil and chaos - Discord therefore is a combination of harmony magic of ordinary creatures and Grogar´s own dark magic which manifested in a new kind of magic - chaos magic, a combination of the two sides. Therefore yes - Discord is sort of the bridge between the harmony side ( princesses - pillars - tree-elements - mane six) and the evil side formerly created to be an evil ruler just like Grogar but Celestia realized Discord´s power and thought that if he could start to appreciate harmony and learn to use his magic for good there will be balance between evil and good. Every creature in Equestria has two types of magic - harmony and dark and each of them affect the creature differently ( harmony magic = Luna, dark magic = Nightmare moon) however cannot be used simultaneously, otherwise chaos emerges. And thats Discord. And with the fading away - we have seen a connection between the essence of a pony and a change of magic (mane six turning grey after being corrupted) so perhaps Discord doesnt turn grey but will disappear instead.


This is genius... And it explains perfectly why the only magic that can beat Discord's magic is the Elements of Harmony.

Василиса Басманова


Also, if the Alicorns were created by Star Swirl then why didn’t the princesses split into components when they willingly gave up their magic to twilight to protect it from Terek? Is their situation different from the animals that were combined into different creatures because their situation was more related to magic powers then just physical features like the hybrid animals?


What if discord has been around since the beginning, but he ages incredibly slowly? And his first appearance, the first time he was old enough to do some real damage.


It's not as well thought out as other people's theories but Discord is known to make portals to different dimensions. What if he's been hopping dimensions and he happened to stumble upon Equestria.  He's been seen popping up in and out throughout multiple places in the timeline, like others in the comment section has mentioned.


I like your yin yang theory. It reminds me of digimon adv tri's origin story. The 4 Dark Masters existence, forced four of the five digimon to digivolve to their mega forms as The 4 Digimon Sovereigns to bring balance to the digital world.


The Grogar theory makes even less sense when you consider the "Grogar" who said that was actually discord


I know i'm a bit late to this, but I have a few comments that I thought of watching this.

First of all, no matter how he created/came to be, how did he get as powerful as magic as he has?
From what we have seen, he can do ANYTHING he wants. Even things no one else would even think of. So if he was created by someone, how could they accomplish that?

Second of all, If he was created by the tree of harmony becoming a thing, why was he not, at the very least, effected when it got destroyed?
I know it was reborn as the school, but does the school give off enough harmony? If not, wouldn't that mean there's more chaos in the world then harmony? With the trio of villains, everfree forest, Discord, etc.

We may never know now that the show is over, but just somethings I thought of.
Maybe I should become a theorizer lol


Finally a theory about Discord's origin: he just exists 😂

I also have a similar theory but I never thought of putting it into words. Keep it up to man!

THAT'S BRILLIANT  HOW DID I NOT THINK OF THAT!!!LOLLLLL

Without chaos there is no order.<br>Without order there is no chaos.

Without chaos there is no order.
Without order there is no chaos.


When the last episode of season 9 comes out-       -aaaand we learned that THAT Grogar was just Discord and even though Grogar DID exist we can't really rely on the things that faker Grogar aka Discord said :(


I’m always laughing at your videos not the theory but when you do something funny I watch all the videos of yours I can find


It’s a fun theory but he can’t have appeared  out of thin air just because the Tree of Harmony was planted, it doesn’t make sense. The Windigos were always there and so was the Everfree Forest, the Fire of Friendship was created by the ponies, and the Tree of Harmony was planted by them. So how was Discord created? I think that he was created by Starswirl. Like you first thought, an experiment. I think the result was a being of pure chaos. Seeing the result wasn’t very good, he locked Discord up in the strange chaotic realm he lives. But maybe Starswirl didn’t know that Discord had magical powers. By the time the Tree of Harmony grew up Discord‘s magic grew too. By the time he was strong enough to break free, the Tree of Harmony grew up to be big and strong as well. Which is why we didn’t see him before, he was trapped in his home in that strange realm.


Okay theory. Discord is from the same time as when the ponies were separated, and when they joined together he went into hiding. At least until he grew stronger. Basically he came from the discord and chaos from the three tribes


Wow, I love this theory. I had always thought of the draconequui as its own species but they all became extinct in some sort of war when discord was little, and he's just been wandering around the wilderness experimenting with his magic. The draconequui probably lived in that chaos dimension the discord lives in now but he found a way to equestria and decided to stay in search of other creatures to talk to because he got lonely, but that still doesn't explain who they would start a war with (this theory is a work in progress). As always, loved your theory and sorry I made this comment so long as usual lol

Hannah Papernick-Yudin it could be though that the deaconequii as a race were not powerful in their own right.  Discord is an exception and was merged with the spirit of chaos, becoming the spirit of chaos.  By otherwise more exist.

Mainly cause I can’t let go of a headcanon of Pinkie actually being a draconequees, inheriting it from her mother, another who hides as an earth pony disgusted by Discord’s actions enough to hate her own species, and Granny Pie also being one, trying to instill good nature into Pinkie, while leaving it possible for Pinkie to grow as more than an Earth Pony


Grogar is basically the Dr. Animo of the MLP universe isn't he?


If you'll notice, there's still a base relationship between Discord and Celestia, I think discord may have initially been keeping the chaos. Because I'm not going to theorize there was anything romantic between them (I don't think there was) but it certainly seems like they were in a budding friendship with the sense of familiarity out of the two of them which certainly doesn't feel like a familiarity between former foes and would in part explain how Celestia knew discord could be reformed: because while he was always chaotic, he wasn't always evil. Chances are (like every other antagonist) there was something that drove him off the edge.


7:35
Instead of going somewhere he could have created chaos in the dimension that's already is upside down what if the dimension was somewhat similar to the one that we have in my little pony
and he had set darkness and destruction to it which is why his dimension looks like that.
With this in mind that means he did not have to come to the pony world he could have stayed in his own where he ruled


I know it may sound weird but you should read "not the hero" fanfic. It's kinda makes a the idea of how discord came to be really interestingly. Or don't. Whatever makes it more chaotic for ya lol


You'd never know that you were in a time of peace unless you'd had something horrific beforehand or afterwards.

Miraculous Moons and Dragons, Wands and 'Mon


I think this makes the most sense out of all the theories I've heard.


I love this theory and this one is the most likely to be true out of all theories I've heard, but i have one question. In the episode Twilight's kingdom Tirek recognised Discord and knew about his banisment, but if Discord was created after Tirek's imprisonment I don't know how its possible for the centaur to recognise him. Well of course he could still be informed about him in Tartarus but since he didn't know about Twilight being a princess I don't think thats possible. Because of this I can't really find any explanation other than Discord was created and turned into stone before Tirek's banisment into Tartarus but that doesn't line up either. Tirek's banisment was clearly before Discord's because the pillars were still around that time and when Discrod was turned into stone they weren't. I still think your theory is true but I just can't put this fact anywhere. If anyone knows any explanation about this please tell me. I'm so confused.


ok, I love this theory but in season 2 ep 2 in the beginning, discord was laughing at the girls and he said, "this is the most fun I've had in eons." That's one billion years. I'm not sure if this was just discord being dramatic or not.


Didn’t one of the episodes Show Discord come from another realm? For some reason I remember that. So maybe Starswirl made him and put him in the realm. Then Discord learned how to come out and start chaos again. If grogar made him, maybe Discord laid low. If Discord constantly rose up, someone would eventually figure out how to stop him. So he came back when everything is fine and started up again. Or the tree created him and he laid low and evolved. That last one a bit ridiculous but hey. Idk. Just an Idea


7:36 Tirek did talk to Discord like he was an old friend so he knew him before being betrayed perhaps. I still wanted to point this out even though I personally don’t like the idea of Discord being ‘created’. I like the idea that he was ALWAYS meant to be there.

@Deviantbreed that too. I do imagine it was the tree that drew him to Equestria in particular

@Frisktaker well it could be simply that he has always existed, but as the power of harmony grew, his own did as well.

Well, this theory seems to be less that he was created by any kind of individual and more that he came into being to balance out Harmony. That is to say, reality itself poofed him into existence.

The theory here could still fit, just that back then Discord wasn’t as powerful as his power was balanced with harmony


The fact that discord mght be more powerful then groger and any other vilan execpt friendship could be a therory I mean look at how discord could have the strength to literally bring back villans from tatarus or from eternal darkness. Like he can do anything with a snap of a finger with no actual sweat. also discord is like a 30 combination of creatures.


It’s honestly fun to think that the reason Discord tried to take over the world first time we heard of him was because he was basically a newborn lol


Maybe chaos needs a sentient form to fully make it, like two halves. Like how the sun on its own would be all wrong, it wouldn't rise on its own making it night forever, it needs a sentient being to work right- celestia. This wouldn't mean she's the only one that can raise the sun, starswirl and other unicorns did so before her, it would just mean that she's the rightful second half to the sun's purpose of spreading light. The same thing goes for luna and the moon. This also applies to twilight and cadence! Love and friendship already exist in equestria like how the sun and moon already existed but that's not enough. The sun already existed but that's not enough to spread light, it needs celestia. Friendship and love already existed but that's not enough to spread Friendship and love to everyone, it needs twilight and cadence. Chaos already exists in equestria but it's not enough, It needs someone to spread it which is why discord exists. This may be why the 4 princesses and discord are immortal, so they can spread their respective things forever. You may argue about the rest of the main 6 that, for example, fluttershy would be the other half <del>the sentient form</del> of kindness and should be immortal too, same with the rest. But their elements are all elements of Friendship which twilight spreads, so by spreading Friendship she spreads those too. Celestia even says twilight possesses those qualities in her speech at the end of magical mystery cure.

Maybe chaos needs a sentient form to fully make it, like two halves. Like how the sun on its own would be all wrong, it wouldn't rise on its own making it night forever, it needs a sentient being to work right- celestia. This wouldn't mean she's the only one that can raise the sun, starswirl and other unicorns did so before her, it would just mean that she's the rightful second half to the sun's purpose of spreading light. The same thing goes for luna and the moon. This also applies to twilight and cadence! Love and friendship already exist in equestria like how the sun and moon already existed but that's not enough. The sun already existed but that's not enough to spread light, it needs celestia. Friendship and love already existed but that's not enough to spread Friendship and love to everyone, it needs twilight and cadence. Chaos already exists in equestria but it's not enough, It needs someone to spread it which is why discord exists. This may be why the 4 princesses and discord are immortal, so they can spread their respective things forever. You may argue about the rest of the main 6 that, for example, fluttershy would be the other half -the sentient form- of kindness and should be immortal too, same with the rest. But their elements are all elements of Friendship which twilight spreads, so by spreading Friendship she spreads those too. Celestia even says twilight possesses those qualities in her speech at the end of magical mystery cure.


i mean in season 9 we saw how hard it was to handle all of his power when the annoying pink pony took it, so he could have been simply trying to learn it if he was possibly given his power by something


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This makes sense. The yin yang theory. Or Discord could've been there all along and we just didn't get a chance to see it mentioned within the show.


U could be right , star swirl could have created discord's body and right after could have been banished to limbo and while looking through his laboratory sorta place the sisters might have given discord a recharge and made discord rise


I am pretty sure that discord was around long before the tree of harmony was planted. Because in season 6 Terek knew about discord and if Terek didn’t know about a princess twilight he couldn’t possibly know about discord unless he was around before he was sended to Tartarus


I totally agree with the ying yang theory. It goes with that law of physics I can't think of the name.


Are we not going to talk about how fluttercord might be Canon


I'm not sure what episode and season, but when the weird rampaging snow-looking creature is in Twilight's castle, Discord says "Oh for Scorpans sake!" Maybe it could mean he's younger than Scorpan and Tirek? Of course Discord would say Scorpan instead of Tirek. Maybe Scorpan was someone Discord looked up to? Kind of a long-shot but still makes sense to me.


not only have you disproven the grogar theory but technically you've proved that starswirl indirectly created discord by creating the tree thus supporting your original theory that starswirl somehow had something to do with the creation of discord 😂


0:42
A wizard does not make mistakes they make unexpected possibilities
-Merlin


I think that if Grogar DID create discord, then it would make sense to how much discord knew about grogar, because he was impersonating grogar in season 9. So you can’t really believe EVERYTHING discord said when he was grogar


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Me: *Drops everything*

Me too, also I GOT A MY LITTLE PONY ADD!!! It even motions bronys, and what type of gem the elements are!!!!


What I'm constantly wondering about is what discord would be in the human Equestria


"the darker a place is the more power a light has there" can we just turn that into a quote pls?


I think something else. When the pillars where sent into limbo maybe Discord had a strong relationship with Starswirl and he waited for him to come back when he heard that they disappeared until he couldn’t take it anymore. He needed something to keep him busy because Starswirl was the only one that truly understood him, he found Equestria and decided to rule until the sisters turned him into stone. A thousand years later the cutie mark crusaders freed him and the main six had to stop him again and turned him into stone. Then Celestia wanted him reformed Fluttershy befriended Discord and by that time he forgotten about Starswirl and Fluttershy replaced him.

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Since Discord is a being/spirit of chaos, he and the spirit of harmony must have a stable ground to rise and grow upon. So where can chaos thrive so much that it aid in the creation of Discord? I believe when Discord and Fluttershy had an episode covering their unique friendship covers this question. His home is the embodiment of chaos that will aid in keeping him from being destroyed by being in too much Harmony. the tree of Harmony was made from the embodiment of Harmony during the 7 pillars era of reign. So it makes sense for them to grow and work on their powers in the place that requires their purpose. Who created the dimension of chaos might have a connection to Starswirl and Gorge's power and abilities. Who knows.


One thing that I always sort of had my thought that Celestia actually LIKES a little chaos. We've seen it with every time the grand galloping galla came about: if it wasn't for a little chaos changing the status quo the galla would be too boring for her: and since we've seen the stuff she wanted to do with Luna on their vacation,<br>One aspect for your theory is that yin and yang actually have a bit of the opposite in them. The black has a white dot, and vice versa. In that sense, maybe that's why the spirit of the tree of harmony started reaching out to the student six and giving them trials and stuff: maybe that is the spirit of harmony embracing its chaotic dot: much like Discords been embracing his harmonious dot by way of not being used as a "get out of trouble free" card when he knows the mane six have all they need to save the day on their own, and they just need a little push and hint here and there.

One thing that I always sort of had my thought that Celestia actually LIKES a little chaos. We've seen it with every time the grand galloping galla came about: if it wasn't for a little chaos changing the status quo the galla would be too boring for her: and since we've seen the stuff she wanted to do with Luna on their vacation,
One aspect for your theory is that yin and yang actually have a bit of the opposite in them. The black has a white dot, and vice versa. In that sense, maybe that's why the spirit of the tree of harmony started reaching out to the student six and giving them trials and stuff: maybe that is the spirit of harmony embracing its chaotic dot: much like Discords been embracing his harmonious dot by way of not being used as a "get out of trouble free" card when he knows the mane six have all they need to save the day on their own, and they just need a little push and hint here and there.


I have a head canon that discord was a result of the tree of harmony, before the elements of harmony had been apart of the tree, and his first appearance was only after the tree had grown enough to form life, but without the help of the elements of harmony, some discord/ chaos had leaked out of the tree, forming discord, which is why he wouldn’t split into parts after his magic being taken away (sorry about this being long)


But when Cozy Glow sucked the magic from Equestria, it took the creatures normal magic, and the magic that made them up was different, otherwise it would have been gone too. This means that discord could have had is chaos magic taken, without the magic that had put all of his different parts together. I still think that your right, based on the evidence from when discord started to fade away.


the time between the first appearance of discord and the last appearance  of star swirl  the between helped him to gain that much magic of chaos


Different animals tried to breed each of them had magic the breed was so chaotic it created chaos magic