It's so cool seeing how much this channel has grown in the past two years!


I know this video was YEARS ago and I haven’t watched all of your videos (yet) so it might have already been addressed, but hear me out: when twilight casts the spell in Magical Mystery Cure, it switched her friends’ destinies. She was able to remind them who they were meant to be by having them do what they were always supposed to. What if that happened to the pillars when Starswirl initially created the spell as well? And he had to do that with them as well but he never made the connection. Just a random thought


Hmm interesting. The "real reason" you're proposing Discord did what he did is certainly more concrete than the one we got. However, Discord looked quite grumpy when Cadence reassured Twilight in the end, so I think he genuinely wanted to pose a test to Twilight.

And what could Twilight possibly discover about Discord in that exhibition? She has studied countless hours on Star Swirl the Bearded already, no doubt. If there was any dark secret to uncover about him or any connection to make she would have done so already... Are the writers really capable of keeping Discord's "true identity" a secret all throughout since Luna Eclipsed?

Oh, and I believe that one of the reasons many fans get the impression that Star Swirl and Discord are one and the same is Star Swirl's fan interpretation (at 0:12), where he appears to be gray and tenacious much like Discord himself. But now for the first time we have a clue about what Star Swirl really looked like; according to the poster at 1:32 , he was pure white. This doesn't exactly disprove the theory, but it's definitely a curious detail to take into account.

Hmm interesting. The "real reason" you're proposing Discord did what he did is certainly more concrete than the one we got. However, Discord looked quite grumpy when Cadence reassured Twilight in the end, so I think he genuinely wanted to pose a test to Twilight.

And what could Twilight possibly discover about Discord in that exhibition? She has studied countless hours on Star Swirl the Bearded already, no doubt. If there was any dark secret to uncover about him or any connection to make she would have done so already... Are the writers really capable of keeping Discord's "true identity" a secret all throughout since Luna Eclipsed?

Oh, and I believe that one of the reasons many fans get the impression that Star Swirl and Discord are one and the same is Star Swirl's _fan_ interpretation (at 0:12), where he appears to be gray and tenacious much like Discord himself. But now for the first time we have a clue about what Star Swirl _really_ looked like; according to the poster at 1:32 , he was pure white. This doesn't exactly disprove the theory, but it's definitely a curious detail to take into account.

Deme F.Q But in the season 7 finale "Shadow Plays" where Twilight brought back Starswirl his appearance is gray maybe the poster was wrong since no living pony (other than the princesses ) has seen Starswirl's real appearance

@Emily Wheetley
I don't think so, that's mostly wishful thinking. It's hard for Discord to be Star Swril the way he's portrayed. Even more so after the Season 4 Finale, think about it chronologically (POSSIBLE SPOILERS):

1) Celestia & Luna free Equestria from Discord by imprisoning him in stone.
2) Celestia & Luna then rule Equestria in a sense of peace.
3) Sometime in the future, Tirek and his brother Scorpan arrive to conquer Eqestria and steal its magic. Scorpan befriends a unicorn wizard who clearly appears to be Star Swirl.

It's quite obvious from these facts that Discord and Star Swirl are separate individuals.
Now, you might ask, "How did Tirek and Discord know each other from the past, since Discord was imprisoned when Tirek arrived to Equestria?" I have no idea. They probably first met each other outside of Equestria, long before Discord started to rule in Chaos. Or the MLP writers just screwed up badly, it won't be the first time!

@Emily Wheetley
I don't think so, that's mostly wishful thinking. It's hard for Discord to be Star Swril the way he's portrayed. Even more so after the Season 4 Finale, think about it chronologically *(POSSIBLE SPOILERS)*:

1) Celestia & Luna free Equestria from *Discord* by imprisoning him in stone.
2) Celestia & Luna then rule Equestria in a sense of peace.
3) Sometime in the future, Tirek and his brother Scorpan arrive to conquer Eqestria and steal its magic. Scorpan befriends a unicorn wizard who clearly appears to be *Star Swirl*.

It's quite obvious from these facts that Discord and Star Swirl are separate individuals.
Now, you might ask, "How did Tirek and Discord know each other from the past, since Discord was imprisoned when Tirek arrived to Equestria?" I have no idea. They probably first met each other outside of Equestria, long before Discord started to rule in Chaos. Or the MLP writers just screwed up badly, it won't be the first time!

@Alma Martinez<br>Indeed, go figure. My comment was posted quite some time before he appeared in the comics.

@Alma Martinez
Indeed, go figure. My comment was posted quite some time before he appeared in the comics.

@Deme F.Q In the IDW comics, Star Swirl appears as a sort of gray-ish blue pony, much like the fanon interpretation in this video.

@SmileyPony13
It's been a long time since Star Swirl was introduced and this is the first clue about his bodily appearance the show has given us. I don't think the show staff would fool us so simply after so many seasons. Star Swirl was most definitely pure white, like seen in the poster. The gray model for Star Swirl was completely conceived by a fan artist (minus the clothing) and several other artists also adopted that model later.

@SmileyPony13
It's been a _long_ time since Star Swirl was introduced and this is the first clue about his bodily appearance the show has given us. I don't think the show staff would fool us so simply after so many seasons. Star Swirl was most definitely pure white, like seen in the poster. The gray model for Star Swirl was _completely_ conceived by a fan artist (minus the clothing) and several other artists also adopted that model later.


I still agree with this fan theory. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that tries to disprove it, but it can be easily countered.

For example, John DeLancie (I hope I spelled his name right) saying he didn't know who Star Swirl was. Let's be honest, he could have been either saying the truth OR he could have been lying to keep spoilers a secret. Saying out and loud that Star Swirl is Discord would be really heavy-handed on the spoilers, and something like that is much better kept as a surprise.

When Tirek asked about Discord being free of his stone prison, he could have easily referred to the SECOND time he was imprisoned. This fits with the timeline, since in S2 Tirek was already out and about, roaming Equestria.

The comics issue can be easily disregarded. They're endorsed by Hasbro, sure, but many of the stories that happen there clash with the canon of the show. I recall reading that they were made by fans, for fans, so if this is correct then that disproves their canonicity.

And as for the Diary of the Two Princesses, Star Swirl could have easily taught the two princesses before the whole reign of Discord happened, since they already had their cutie marks when confronting Discord. Same with his friendship with Scorpan.

Yeah I won't lie the theory is a bit farfetched sometimes, but let's be honest, there really isn't nothing in canon that disproves it wholly.

And let's remember he doesn't even read the whole script he only reads his lines


Mlp comic issue #17, starswirl was around during the time after discord was turned into stone. It seems starswirl and discord are not one and the same after all.

Actually, later sawtooth admitted that he was wrong

Plus, the comics are not canon.

@TBN pls don't start using the comics as a basis for theories. They aren't canon, and they'll ruin the credibility of your theories.

Remember he was famous for his time spells, so I suppose both could exist at once through time travel.  I haven't read the comics yet but I really should. /)


Bwahaha!!!

Welcome to 2018, where the season finale of season 7 came out and shoved this theory down the drain!
but seriously, this theory is now impossible.


I love how devoted to this theory you are. I love it too, to be perfectly honest. STAR SWIRL = DISCORD TO THE ENDDD


I have a theory of my own to share here and now , and it goes like this:
What if Starswirl the Bearded wasn't just ANY unicorn?
We all know that he was a great unicorn who helped develop alot of the magic in equestria's early days.  We also known that he lived BEFORE celestia and luna.
As far as alot of ponies in equestria can tell he's a respected unicorn. My theory (or conspiration...you choose) is that Starswirl the Bearded fell in love with Celestia (or Luna...your choice).
However for unknown reasons (it's just a suggestion that this happened) Celestia (or Luna) rejected Star Swirl's proposition[Maybe because they felt that they were more responsible for the balance of Equestria more]. That made him be angry at the Two Sisters (or maybe just Celestia/Luna). Let's say that one night he tried to talk to Celestia (or Luna...or the two together) and he was VERY desperate to get Celestia (or Luna...your pick again) to the point where he was about to unleash something terrible only to get what he wanted. Maybe that's how Starswirl vanished and turned to either one of the following two things : either THE SHADOW PONY or Discord [however that last WINK of Discord toward Celestia in Twilight's Kingdom Part 2 was kinda suspicious]. We all know that Celestia and luna have dark secrets of their own too so it wouldn't surprise me that they told nopony about this so that he can be remembered with his good deeds?
Let me know what you think of my Theory/Conspiracy :P
with love , DiscordedBrony
                                                                                This Is 100% Discord Aproved


I highly doubted that Discord had any relation to Star Swirl, let alone
be Star Swirl at first.  I even believed this before the Season 4
finale.  I honestly believe Discord and Star Swirl are two completely
different individuals.


I like this theory, but the season 4 finale generally disproves it. Discord and Tirek address each other as if they had previously met or at least familiar with each other by reputation. Tirek is definitely aware of Discord being turned to stone. The Sisters were ruling Equestria at the time of Tirek's and Scorpan's arrival. The flashback in part two seems to indicate that the pony befriended by scorpan seems to be starswirl, although, that admittedly would probably make starswirl fairly old.


I still don't see how a simple change of destiny could corrupt ones physical form so much.  There is no other instance of ones physical from being drastically changed other than Luna to Nightmare Moon.  But even thats not very drastic


I think Twilight's Kingdom disproved the theory completely. Scorpan knew Star Swirl when he and Tirek were in Equestria, but when Tirek escapes from Tartarus, he knows who Discord is an recognises him instantly, probably because he read about him somewhere before he was banished. This means Discord had to have been turned to stone BEFORE Tirek and Scorpan came to Equestria, but Star Swirl is still around at that time, meaning Discord can't possibly be him


Well this has been crushed by seasons 8n7


I believe that Star Swirl wanted to create new magic like any other pony with infinite knowledge would do. Experimented on different kind of spells along the side discovering different beings on their planet. And in order to interact with those other beings he tries to become them (like to solve problems that occurred during that time but in order to understand that one must be like them. Try to create harmony but in order to do so, they need to know how it feels like to be them). To be in their shoes, per se. And with magic there comes a time where you make mistakes. As a result, Discord was formed. A harmless spell to help him create harmony ended up creative chaos and discord, thus Discord.


The tent behind the candle could have given hints about him becoming discord, like a changeling spell, and so he had to stop twilight from connecting the thing with the thing.


I think that these theories are really cool, and believable, but I don't know if mlp is the kind of show to throw in conspiracies like that


I disagree becuase tireck knew about star swirl and discord sepretly second star swirl found the elements of harmony and if he knew they might defight him then why wouldn't he just cast a spell so they can't


There was a head cannon I watched and it was that star swirl was taken out of time by discord and he didnt age he couldn't get out he just was able to watch and with the shadow pony thing maybe being star swirl it makes complete sense i litterly think its true maybe he was watching as strange ponies entered the princess's castle and he wasn't pleased and he could only appear as a shadow if you could will you do a response to this comment I would like to know you thoughts


Men you done it again... I love this :D i was never looking that deep in to some those episodes but when you say like this then it makes really a lot of Sense :)


no, i think really discord just wanted to screw with twilight.

+Her Loyal Highness, Princess Rainbow Dash (Her Awesomeness) OMG YOUR SO AWESOME AJ AND RAINBOW R MY FAV CARACTERS

(Yes, I know that was spelt wrong)

Discord may be starswirld. And yes...  discord is similar to changelings. Wanna know why? And... There is a problem. If he's similar to changelings, but changelings are similar to ponies... Discord have to be similar to ponies but he isn't! But with this video you fixed this my problem! And yes... Sorry for my bad english! And yes... You're great!

@The Brony Notion But now since the season 3 finale twilight has the spell to reverse the process if it is the spell from season 3 so why didn't discord take the opportunity to turn himself back to star swirl or perhaps he made friends as Discord so he wants to stay that way or perhaps he's too evil to want to change back

Yeah! It's the only thing that makes sense. :3 Discord is always trolling anyway.

~Dash~

Discord probably just wanted Twilights attention.

That's what he WANT'S you to believe! BWAHAHAHA!... you're probably right.


Wasn't starswirl meant to be celestia's student at one point? If so, maybe he was destined to attempt to become an alicorn like twilight, but becaue he had no friends, and didnt understand friendship, when he cast the spell it just mixed up all his memories and body (rather than that of his friends) into an unrecognizable form. Like how  twilight's friends had confused memories of who they were perhaps this was also true for starswirl/discord and he could no longer remember himself. Maybe this could also suggest that twilight could have failed the test and turned into a horrific chimera too XD


maybe starswirl didn't become discord, discord could be a second form for starswirl created by some messed up spell. this would mean that starswirl only took the form of discord around a select few. until his starswirl side perished because his discord form wanted power starswirl prevented him from having. discord kills him and sets out to obtain equestria. this could mean that even though discord was evil he was still apart of starswirl giving him a warmspot for fluttershy and friendship moments with the mane six . starswirl didn't understand friendship, maybe he longed for it so much that when discord see certain moments of friendship he becomes nice . of course this is after his some what reform revives a small price of starswirl


well the pitchers of Star Swirl i've seen so far kinda douse make it look like it could be true by the bread the eye brow the color of his heed, but in the season 4 season finale they bring Star Swirl into it when Tirek first time came and that made me wounder was that before or after Discord was taken down the first time be for tirek or after??? because if tirek was before discord it then it could be so but if tirek came after discord then it can't be true


You made some good point that I wouldn't have thought of, but I think Discord was just being obnoxious, joker, and just messing with Twilight to have fun.

It makes sense the glob episode in season 5 discord says I never had a friend like you which means that he might have not had a friend before like the beard pony


star swirl could of been using a spell like the frog orange thing and acidently turned himself into discord and lost his mind


Something just came to me. In hearths warming eve, that say that it was long before the rule of Celestia, and that clover the clever was a student of starswirl the bearded. However, in magical mystery cure, Celestia says that Starswirl was her student... How does that work?? Do you think you could do a video analyzing this?

@Cape Yeah. Hasbro's writers and their strange inconsistencies.

~Dash~

@Cape Yeah. Hasbro's writers and their *strange* inconsistencies.

~Dash~

It wasn't as if celestial didn't exist, it was just that she didn't RULE yet so stars will could have been taught by celestial, then taught clover the clever, plus celestial is an alicorn, who knows how long she's been around

I think it's just an inconsistency in the show's writing. ^^


I agree with your theory. In the episode 7 of season 5 discord was gonna send tree hugger to a different dimension. In the second movie of equestria girls it said starswirled banished the sirens to a different dimension.

Actually now that I've read it for myself I don't think he was going mad, but he was getting more risky, like using that time spell even though he and Celestia were still working on it. And I'm pretty sure they said some other stuff along those lines but I don't know for sure. But saying that he was going mad or that he didn't have any friends isn't really true.

@Missed the Band Wagon sorry for digging up the old comment, but where in the stories is it mentioned that star swirl was going mad? i tired to reread it but i can't seem to find what you are talking about. i was just wondering, since i'm researching star swirl for a project of mine at the moment and i accidentally came across this video, though the info would be useful.

@pritty kitty I know, the more information we get about both of them the more I'm convinced of this theory. I mean they can both use time magic, the can open portals to other dimensions and if "The Journal of the Two Sisters" is cannon we know that Star Swirl was going mad in his later years.


Have you noticed that Star Swirl and Discord have a fairly similar look?


I really like the story about Discord being starswirl but I can't aggree. Celestia told us that Discord is the spirit of Chaos and I don't really see the conecion of him being starswirl.

Just my opinion (and sorry for my english still learning, not my first language)


In that episode of disharmony I play a my little pony game and in the ever free Forest I can see the necklaces and the crown in some parts of the trees in the exact shape of the triangle or circle of the shape that they are held in.


+Fire Star Good theory! Maybe because Star Swirl was Discord's past self. When he underwent that transformation, he turned into Discord. And when Discord started coming to Ponyville, he didn't know how to be nice. Fluttershy taught him to be nice. So Star Swirl would want to be friends with Fluttershy!!


I do think that discord is indeed star swirl , why?
Well...if you look closely at star swirl and discord,what I observed is that both of them have white,bushy eyebrows and beards.coincidence? too coincidental?
Secondly,like a lot of people said,star swirl might have wanted to be the greatest unicorn in equestria, probably even wanting to rule equestria as well,after all,he is known for his incredible magic.However,when two stronger ponies,alicorns,celestia and Luna came to equestria,it was pretty obvious that they are the next rulers,thus,star swirl might have gotten jealous of their power,using everything he can,he might have created a spell to supposedly send celestia and Luna to a different dimension or smth (as seen in make friends and keep discord,or smth else I forgot) ,but it backfired and instead transformed him into a different creature,well,discord.
Thirdly,who knows,starswirl might not be just a great unicorn,he might as well be a great unicorn of chaos,like discord :D Okay okay too little evidence is provided there.
Fourthly,magical mystery cure,that spell he wrote,he wrote it in the point of view of a pony who doesn't have friends,"the marks of one's destiny singled out alone,fulfilled".That could refer to him,he certainly didn't know the magic of friendship like twilight does,so he probably didn't experience friendship.He most likely was trying to point out that one's destiny,his destiny will be singled out from the other ponies in equestria and will be fulfilled (etc ruling equestria,being the hero,saving equestria) who knows?


What if Star Sworld helped Celestia and Luna defeat discord? In any flashback, we haven't heard his voice, at all so we don't know if he is! But how did Star Sworld turn evil? Discord was evil and, Star Sworld was ever so close to the Princesses.


Who else is really freaking excited to see if Star Swirl is the focus of season six?


omg. you have GOT to write a fanfiction 'bout this theory. it'll be huge. that is all there is to say.


Discord just wanted to screw with Twily I totally agree but he knew where she was also to bug her during her time with Cadence because Fluttershy wasn't there for him to boss around ... And wouldn't there all ready be a poster that Discord is Star Swirl the Bearded?


I think Discord is Star Swirl because if you look at the two side by side and think about both they have many similarities like they both have the same color coat but for discord its only his head coat, same eyebrows, they both have beards, and they are both extremely powerful they can both open portals into other dimensions. That is all the evidence I have I don't know about you but for me this makes since.


Discord Cn't be Star Swirl cause' Starswirl helped tireks brother ( who I forgot his name) see that he could be good and Tirek was sent to a far away jail but in that time Tirek knew who discord was cause' in episode Twilights kindgdom Tirek knew who Discord was and if Discord was Starswirl Tirek would have not known who he was.


This sadly can be proved wrong because in season 7 star swirl actually appears officially stating your theory, wrong. (Im sorry if it sounds mean this was probably made a long time ago)


Let me ask if discord was star swirl bearded who would have might have the magic stronger than star swirls and turn him into a character like discord?

Besides star swirl is known as one of the strongest ponies around


2 things, one discord has the ability to go across dimensions.... for example the sock puppet dimension. and had a friend called the smooze, so really he had a "friend" and starswirl also has a friend of what ever tireks brother is... Discord would have to know who tirek is in order to be friends with tireks brother...

+rockrider sd For what ever tireks brothers name I ment to say XD


in MLP EG Rainbow  Rocks   there were 3 sirens that were  making  chaos  and Star swirl banished them to EG World. so in time line there was Chaos before Discord came to be. just watch the movie.


My theory is that their was an alacorn named umbra. OK I think star swerl used dark magic to turn himself to an alacorn and used the name umbra then  a few days later he turned himself in to a choes bringer witch might very well be Discord


Have you checked out discords pony wing? It's blue like star swirl the bearded


There is one thing that bothers me, since you said Star Swirl turned into Discord, then why does Discord have wings.


Good job but watching these at night is Kinda scary cause I think about the creatures


HE WAS TRYING TO RUIN CANDENCES VISIT WITH TWILIGHT!!!!!!!<br>HE IS DISCORD FOR PEATS SACE!

HE WAS TRYING TO RUIN CANDENCES VISIT WITH TWILIGHT!!!!!!!
HE IS DISCORD FOR PEATS SACE!

Turns out, you were right all along

AND THEY CALLED ME A FOOL!!


I always thought something was off when star swirled just disappeared


End of season 3: Starswirl the Bearded "didn't understand friendship very well"<br>End of season 4: He made friends with a non-pony (I forgot Tirek's brother's name).  Make up your mind Hasbro! BTW this means Discord isn't Starswirl because he said he never really had a friend. Unless he means after he became a draconiquus.

End of season 3: Starswirl the Bearded "didn't understand friendship very well"
End of season 4: He made friends with a non-pony (I forgot Tirek's brother's name).  Make up your mind Hasbro! BTW this means Discord isn't Starswirl because he said he never really had a friend. Unless he means after he became a draconiquus.

@rockrider sd ...I don't think the Smooze is relevant to the whole "Starswirl/Discord" argument.

+The Smoking Skull Discord had the Smooze

@Saria Beltane Exactly. Remember how the rest of the Mane 6 (not including Twilight of course) could not remember their previous memories? They believed that they had always been working at each others' jobs and had no memories of their previous lives. Just as a side note, Discord was the only character (other than Twilight in a later season) to demonstrate time-travel spells (he did it in the second episode of Season 2). What is one thing Starswirl is famous for? Creating time-travel spells. He even has a whole wing in the palace library dedicated to his time-related spells.

@Bella the Bunny Maybe Discord doesn't remember he was Starswirl.

Remember, Starswirl had no friends as a unicorn and Discord had no friends until Fluttershy finally befriended him, and that was well into Season 3. However, he was never really Fluttershy's friend until Season 4-5, when she taught him how to be a real friend.

Remember, Starswirl had no friends *as a unicorn* and Discord had no friends until Fluttershy finally befriended him, and that was well into Season 3. However, he was never *really* Fluttershy's friend until Season 4-5, when she taught him how to be a real friend.


i have a short theory about starswirl for the people who's favorite pony is starswirl you arent gonna like it so dont read it...STARSWIRL IS EVIL!why would he create that spell if he was good?and why would he wanna do this to other pony's ?and why would he think that it would work if it would only work when he needed relationships?


What if a tyrant tried to take over Equestria, and the mane 6 were not enough. what if the tyrant took all 6, and Discord tried to ignore them, but when he "mystically" hears Fluttershy's cries, he springs to action, defeats the tyrant, knocking himself out in the process. suddenly the elements all start glowing, raising the confused ponies, their magic all comes together on Discords limp body, raising him, and FLASH, you see a young Starswirl the Bearded laying down in his place. All the ponies gather to see what he's become, when he wakes up, he sees everyone staring at him, then he notices he's changed.

Going with the theory provided, I'd say when he performed the spell, it not only changed his body, but his magic too, causing the confusing magic mix-ups (aka chocolate milk rain, cotton candy clouds... ect). while unable to properly create magic anymore, he became discouraged and gave up trying to break the curse. (This also could explain the confussion as to how much power he actually has, because the truth is, it changes constantly, so really, it depends).

However, when he performed the act of sacrificing one's self for another (or in this case, 6 others), he showed the greatest act of kindness there is to show, thus, breaking the spell & showing his true self again.

none is more surprised then Fluttershy, the two get to know each other again, then after a time of courtship (i think Fluttershy would appritiate that) Discord... I mean, Starswirl, purposes marriage.

Now note, I only just came up with this on the fly, it's just an idea... but you gotta admit, in the words of Rainbow Dash, "That would be totally AWESOME!"
;)


I completely agree with your theory. But i have one thing to add. I remember twilight saying that starswirl was "the father of the amniomorphic spell" and "the most important conjurer of the pre-classical era" so there are to words that pop out conjurer and amniomorphic. We should all know what conjurer means but what of amniomorphic. If we spit it in two we have amnio and morphic. I cannot find out what amnio exactly means but it sounds close to animal and morphic or morph means to change so animal change. So what if when he was trying to make that last spell he accidentally morphed him self with other animals that he conjured up. Which also could have change his state of mind like it did with twilight's friends. Also In Friendship is Magic Issue #17, Princess Luna describes Star Swirl as having a similar personality to Pinkie pie. Which explains discord's personality.

I can see fanfic writers running away with that idea. Hopefully season five gives us more clues to who Discord is.

@princessbinas It's possible.  In the comics, Queen Chrissy just happened to be born from a twisted tree growing near where SSTB was performing experiments.  It doesn't really show how much time has passed or whether he had anything directly to do with it, but he does end up being closely associated with the birth of some of the antagonists.

@Wolvendeer So you in general think that Star Swirl is Discord's dad...? [Plays a "That's Disturbing" clip.]

@masterenclave The only definition I could find for amnio is as a medical prefix referring to the membrane that surrounds the embryo of birds, mammals, and reptiles (the amnion).  This prefix is present in words such as amniotic fluid, which is the fluid an embryo develops in.  Thus, the amniomorphic spell would most likely have something to do with transforming the embryo inside of the womb or egg (for reptiles).  Thus, if we are to assume that Star Swirl has something to do with Discord, and that the amniomorphic spell has something to do with Discord, it would make the most sense that Star Swirl was the father of Discord, so to speak.  Not necessarily in that he was the biological father of Discord, but rather that the spell he created in turn created Discord.

@Alma Martinez amniomorphic means "shaped like a lamb"

@jem 56 Actually no the word you're looking for is <b>amino</b>, with the i coming before the n.

@jem 56 Actually no the word you're looking for is *amino*, with the i coming before the n.

@Alma Martinez if you want to know more, GOOGLE IT!

NO! An amnio is... two or three molecules that then make proteins.

@jem 56 Wouldn't that make sense though? Discord is just a mishmash of animal parts. Animal building blocks, if you will.

Also I'm sure amnio refers to something relating embrios or the like, though, like the amniotic sac.

An amnio is the building blocks of the body. NOT an animal.


Ummm... no.

I'm still sticking to the theory that Discord is totally NOT Star Swirl the Bearded.


I understand how stars swirl could possibly be discord it is because I am watch the season 4 finale it states that discord understands friendship now and you know in the end of season 3 it says that like star world didn't understand that what love about friendship and that's how I think it goes and he understands it in the end of season 4 that's my theory


So when star swirl the bearded didn't have friends he used different animals to swap instead of ponies because he had no friends . So that turns him into a chaos creature that is what makes discord. BOOM


The princess of the sun only said that stars-wold the bearded didn’t know friendship like twilight did she didn’t say he didn’t have friends but you are still right I hop


if discort is star  swirled then wouldn't celestia know, and then use the reverse spell twilight found and use it on discort to make him a "great wizard" again I mean having star swirled featured or put into the show would eb sooper door amamzing


No, Discord appeared because he wanted to catch Twilight's attention


didn't you notice the theme song of mlp starting at season 4 until now when the song said "sharing kidness" stop the music and you can see DISCORD!!!!😕 at fluttershy's cottage window at the side you can see him play the theme song of mlp season  1 2 or 3 and seasond 4 or 5 you"ll see the difference


If nopony knew that Discord is Star Swirl , it means that there  were  no clues at  the museum! Discord  isn't Star Swirl!!!


Think about it, discord and star swirled the bearded, do they look alike that's the real thing you gotta think about


Starswirl cant be discord because tirek knew discord and starswirl became friends with his bro so he cant be the same pony.


That sound's a little weak just because Discord showed up and got Twilight to take him away from the fair that prove's it?<br>What do you think she would have seen the a big sighn that says yes I discorde am Star swirl.

That sound's a little weak just because Discord showed up and got Twilight to take him away from the fair that prove's it?
What do you think she would have seen the a big sighn that says yes I discorde am Star swirl.


Actually the second equistria girls say the sirens were banished 1000 years ago, when star swirl banished them.


Since starswirl and discord are never in the same episode that means discord is starswirl!


Star swirl was in limbo with the other legends


I think the friendship test did matter but it was just a bonus.


That thought is now invalid now that we know star swirl was in limbo for 1000 years and discord was free suring that time


I don`t think so I mean this is Discord we`re talking about. He knows Twilight is a huge fan of Starswirl The Bearded. Don`t you think he would say it or atleast allude to it just to confuse Twilight?


What if Discord was all ways a  dracqoniquis and he grew up with a dracqoniquis mom and dad? There could have been a few families of the same kind and they lived in some far away land, but one day... say the dracqoniquis kind wanted more land and there was a war. It could have been the war that luna and celestias parents were killed in, along with all of the dracqoniqis kind? Discord could have ran away when the  war started, because, since  he was very young, he would have been terrifyed. Then, lets say a month later, when Discord had been living on cotton candy and chocolate milk, he decided to go look for his parents, not knowing they were dead. At the same time, Celestia and Luna werer searching for there perants, and the young princesses met Discord. They explained that they were looking for there perants, and quickly befriended him. They played togeter every day, eating Discords cotton candy and drinking chocolate milk, until the two sisters wanted to claim there royal duties, and help the other ponies. Of corse, Discord still wanted to play.
 Weeks later, the sisters had claimed there royal duties, and never played with Discord. He found it very funny if he played pranks on the two princesses, or the royal gurds. Celestia and luna tried to stop him, as his pranks were getting more dangerous. It was then that Discord saw his true nature, the bringer of CHAOS. The sisters then had to use the elemants of harmony to turn him to stone.

What do u think of that theriory, Brony  notion?


ooook, listen up. here is my theory. discord is NOT starswirl the bearded, but rather his son? it sounds crazy but I can prove it. yes the timeline is correct but it proves that starswirl disappeared AFTER discord was turned to stone. so here's wat I think, starswirl used the spell he created to see wat would happen. surrounded by his items he has collected from the past, a snake tail, bat wing, pegusus wing, egale claw, his own DNA, a sharp yellow tooth, a lions paw, a random horn, a deer's antler, a zebras mane, and a deer leg, they mix together to. create discord. starswirl tries to take care of him but is quickly shunned by his son. his son causes chaos and is turned to stone. starswirl lives a while longer, but runs off to try and hide wat he had done. its only a theory but I also think that's y discord kept twi and cadence away from the fair. to keep his father a secret.😐


By the time I'm writing this comment season eight has already come out, so discord isn't starswirl the other pillars and him they sacrificed themselves to banish the pony of shadows


You're theory cannot be. Star Wirl disappear a few years after Luna was bannished on the moon. And guess who where there when Discord has been turned into stone ? Luna...


0:45 well guys, that's one spoiler (it's ok, I've watched it already, duh)


Too bad season 7 crushed this theory, trampled it to dust, and threw it in the garbage. Then showed it no mercy in the landfill.


I mean like discord must have hid stars swirl the bearded's candle some where.<br>:T

I mean like discord must have hid stars swirl the bearded's candle some where.
:T


Actually starswirl was actually trapped in limbo, for over a thousand years. So discord is just discord. Cool theory though


Wow ur vids really make u think about it I have noticed something's u said I ur vids but I never thought the little things I notice in the series could become a bug clue in the series


But star swirled  the  bearded  died. Unless you weren't paying attention  when they did the back story of Sombra, that Sombra was Star swirled  the  bearded  student!!


No discord did not change to star swirled because he had vanished for a thousand years until the main six brought him and five other ponies and a villain.


Hold on if twilight fixed the unfinished spell then why did you score wouldn't discord turn back into star swirl Bearden


Well discord was faking on the day of the starswirl the bearded
sooo... no clue there
Maybe star swirl created Disord?


Hey, brony notion you would make a great narrator.


the shadow of star swirl that might be one of thease 1.star swirl 2. Trixie 3.TWILIGHT<br>as you see in this video she is wearing a star swirl costume ... bells hat cloak magical hat but the yellow eyes don't match.. that means how is twilight star swirl?? and how does celestia know him does she spy on twilight ?? or does she follow her ?? but the thing I don't understand is how did twilight even find star swirl book in the beginning and nobody els has a clue about who he is?? wont that book been kept safe somwere or In a castle like the shadow?? would teilight go in there and magically find it because that is her element isent it ...

the shadow of star swirl that might be one of thease 1.star swirl 2. Trixie 3.TWILIGHT
as you see in this video she is wearing a star swirl costume ... bells hat cloak magical hat but the yellow eyes don't match.. that means how is twilight star swirl?? and how does celestia know him does she spy on twilight ?? or does she follow her ?? but the thing I don't understand is how did twilight even find star swirl book in the beginning and nobody els has a clue about who he is?? wont that book been kept safe somwere or In a castle like the shadow?? would teilight go in there and magically find it because that is her element isent it ...


Wait does that means that discord is star swirl .. Then did celestia know that ?!    :/


star swirl couldn't transform into discord because discord is dreconequus -that is a spieces which means there were more of them celestia was friends discord (being oblivious to the war their parents fought) before she met star swirled


You are wrong because of the end episode of season 7. So discord and Star Swirl both exist =/


But will the mane 6 find out about star swirled the bearded being discord for more than a thousand years in season 5


OMG!! After discord is fully reformed by fluttershy, he will go up in a light bubble like during twilights transformation into an alicorn, and then he will come back down and be starswirl and explain everything that happened!! Then he will address twilight as clover the clever, then there will be a backstory on that. Just watch the video 'twilight is clover the clever' for the last bit. I'M AN EVIL GENIUUUUUUUS!
 #FluttercordAndDis-shy


too bad this theory was wrong, due to season 7 finale, this whole theory was ripped to shreds


I disagree because of Terek (yes I know my my spelling is not perfect sorry you're going to have to deal with it) saying that he was suprised discord was not stone.


Doesn't anyone else get the hunch that discord is star swirl simce they look soooooo similar


Nah, he just appeared there because twillight and Cadence were there, if they were in the Spa he would do the samething


I've heard of a museum,but what is mus-a-em?


I think your putting to much thinking into this. I don't think they would put this much into a kids show. So until we hear a confession in the show I'm not gonna believe this.


One thing... another reason why star swirl could be disord is because discord used to have no friends but why exactly would star swirl want to be best friends with fluttershy???


star swirl is not discord because star swirl was in limbo w/ the other pillars


If your watching amazing world of gumball remember when carrys dad turnd evil by loneliness


you do notice if discord was star swirl then wouldn't he be in luv with fluttershy?<br>to me thats not a good mix

you do notice if discord was star swirl then wouldn't he be in luv with fluttershy?
to me thats not a good mix


I know see something BIG Discord was in tears when flutter shy was his friend and heartbroken when she wasn't I bet it was because in his passed life as starswirl he didn't have friends so when he finally got some he was joyous


And no I didn't try to cover anything up I just wanted to be a dreadful draconequus. Now that I spend most of my time with fluttershy's or alone in my  own little void (as you saw in make new friends but keep discord)  wanted to test to see if my friends are not just there because they feel sorry for me me because other ponies consider a draconequus "weird" and yea just to mess with twilight

AH HAHAHAHA I should mess with applejack and turn into a zap apple 😂😂😂😂😂 OH THE LOOK ON HER FACE, IT SHOULD BE PRICELESS😂😂😂😂


lol new theory male unicorns when they aced they become draconius while the females become alicorn


+TheBronyNotion
In my opinion, star swirl the bearded is too discord because they both can open portal to another dimension
If u watch mlp eg rainbow rocks the history book said that the sirens (the 3 girls) banish by star swirl by a portal 2 another dimension
Just like in mlp fim make new friend but keep discord when discord open a portal 2 banish tree huger to another dimension


Sorry I can't find the video where you said that sombra and crisalis ruled the crystal empire together I had to say that mistmane had a curled horn


Nice head cannon Ill support it. My question is what was in the building he stole around the 5 Min mark?


Meh, I don't think Discord is Star Swirl...


Hur hur hur hur DEBUNKED thanks to season 7's finalie, we now know this is NOT true lol


But the part where it pops up discord from the candle lit then where's the candle?


no offense but I think it's pronounced muew-ze-um


Somehow at that episode discord also turn blue.........I wonder why " blue"


Then fast forward to season 7.DISCORD IS NOT STAR SWIRL!!!!!!!!!


Id think star swirl is discord I think starswirl is sombra


I think discord is star swirl because look at discord and under his chin is a beard and also his tail.And the Brony Nation was correct.

PRUF!!!!!! :) <3


And everyone in the comments shall be SILENCED by the magical and theory disproving season 7


What if twilight was star swirled the reader's reincarnation

@***** I heard of the first, but not 2 and 3

@***** Those are good explanations.... I have only heard of two

@briansivley2001 Yep I have heard of it, but I never knew they had reincarnation :) I have to look that up

@justin w. Wow well that would explain why Twilight Sparkle is so powerful as she is but wouldn't she have his cutie mark? Or would it be anew life. I wouldn't be surprised though if they used it being it has been done before with the whole reincarnation stuff remember Sailor Moon.

@briansivley2001 Nah, according to hinduism and buddism.. the spirit and soul transmigrate. .into a new body.. the spirit and soul don't know which body they will transmigrate into whether a boy or girl

@justin w. But I thought that with reincarnation if you were a male you will be a male when you get reincarnated.

@briansivley2001 Reincarnation happens when a spirit or soul transmigrate from one body or another... it's sorta like avatar the last Airbender and korra

But that character was a male and obviously Twilight Sparkle is a female how would someone be reincarnated from a male to female? Because I definitely don't understand how.


So did star swirl turn into discord or something


there is proof in the show that discord is not Star Swirl the bearded. in season 6 finale, thorax said, "only changeling magic works in the changeling kingdom," so if discord was Star Swirl after using his spell, he would change back

@Al Cipher I watch a lot of brownies, mainly musicians

@Minecraft Fan oh, I don't watch bronies react, now that I think about it the only "brony" I watch is brony notion. I don't really consider myself a brony

@Al Cipher they said that on Bronies React

@Minecraft Fan eyup, I find that pony scene funny, Discord's oc XD

@Al Cipher meaning that he can't be Starswirl, plus in the Season 4 finale when Discord was originally meant to capture Tirek, he turned into a normal pony not Starswirl

@Minecraft Fan well back to the star swirl theory; we say the 4 and 6 finales prove that he isn't because he didn't turn back. He could also say that since the princesses were turned into alicorns, they also would change back; but not necessarily, they changed by destiny, discord didn't, he doesn't even have a cutie mark

@Al Cipher yeah it is a really good show

@Minecraft Fan I know, just making a point, it's a good show. I mean heck, I'm a varsity wrestler in highschool, and the strongest at my school, and I watch it, it's a good show XD

@Minecraft Fan besides, if it's good, watch it. Like rainbow dash said "don't mess with success"

@Minecraft Fan no, I said "by definition," meaning it was intended for little kids, but Hasbro said they made season 6 "more appealing" to older viewers

@Al Cipher that is actually very true. No matter how hard we can argue against it, MLP will always be a kids show

@Minecraft Fan we're getting into theories on, by definition, a little kids' show. XD

@Minecraft Fan eyup, but there is one thing him, you, and myself are neglecting

@Al Cipher we kinda need to accept it because there is proof going towards it but they were in earlier seasons and the season 4 and season 6 finale disproved it

@Minecraft Fan eyup, but he still believes discord is star swirl

@Al Cipher well this was made before the seasons 4-6 finales so he was guessing. But with the new evidence we got, it's not possible

@Minecraft Fan eyup, there is no argument that Brony Notion can give as to why discord is star swirl

Al Cipher and the season 4 finale where Celestia mentioned that she vanished Tirek to Tartarus. She and Luna seemed to be in power then and Starswirl was around as Scorpan's friend. So Tirek's defeat took place after the defeat of Discord and Starswirl was around then. Meaning that Discord can't be Starswirl the bearded. Plus Luna recognised Twilight to be in a costume of Starswirl meaning that she did know him, when they were in power which was after Discord's reign


i really want to know what you use to make your videos


... This is gonna be another Xena Religion.. Isn't it?


Maybe he should make a video about princess luna and princess celestia because pay attention to there hair i mean its moving and cadence's and twilight's its not moving.Two sister's that have moving hair and two sister's in law do not have moving hair watch the solar sisters (celestia and luna) and look at the hair.THE HAIR! XD


You really WASTED all that time with this theory.


What is star swirls cutie mark or is he a blank blank


Why a unicorn's magic is usually the same color if not close to the same color as their eyes


I don't won't to disagree with you  but think a little more because look at discord he has a horn and wings so wouldn't he be an alacorn<br>Maybe he would be an alacorn but as starswroll abirted idk but maybe this is true

I don't won't to disagree with you  but think a little more because look at discord he has a horn and wings so wouldn't he be an alacorn
Maybe he would be an alacorn but as starswroll abirted idk but maybe this is true


@The Brony Notion  I have  question on season 4 in twilight's kingdom why is it that discord aka starswirled give celestia flowers is it because he had a crush on her or what? Plz respond as soon as possible

Oh ok that makes more sense thank you :)

@Evelyn Alvarez First of all, Discord is not aka Starswirl. Second of all, it was just an apologetic gesture, but instead of saying sorry he made it more meaningful by pulling flowers out of thin air.

The reason why Discord could not be Starswirl is that they existed in congruence. Starswirl lived during the time of Celestia and Luna's rule, pre-Nightmare Moon. We can confirm this from the comics, and the fact that he befriended Scorpan, who then in turned warned the two sisters who were in power at the time. They only rose to power after the fall of discord, who was still on garden duty at the time.

Sorry for my bad spelling auto correct but y did he give her flowers in season 4?


WAIT I JUST RELISTED IF DISCORD IS STAR SWIRL FLUTTER SHY IS FREINDS WITH STAR SWIRL THE BEARDED <br>MIND BLOWN

WAIT I JUST RELISTED IF DISCORD IS STAR SWIRL FLUTTER SHY IS FREINDS WITH STAR SWIRL THE BEARDED
MIND BLOWN


why don't u just ask the writers if D is SStB


so IF discort was starsworld the bireded how did he banish the dazzilings becuse IF he is wouldn't the dazziling would be old and the magic is new in the other world not thying to be mean but,it makes no sense


omg the way you say museum is whack (i kinda like it)   >O<


I like your videos but there are a lot of flash pictures.


What if Starswirl was Trixie's grandfather

It'd probably go further back than just Trixie's parent's parent...


but .. why does discord wanna keep such a secret? :/

I dunno. Maybe as he was the creator and had no friends, maybe the results were different.

@Bronya Stagg yeah or he doest completely remember his old self .. i mean when the spel changed the mane 5's destiny and cutiemark the didnt remember their old selfs .. what if the same happend to discord?

Because then his old self would lose all his fame... or maybe life as starswirl was terrible and he doesn't want to face the truth... either one of those or he doesn't like to remember that he was intelligent.


you pronounced museum wrong it is pronounced meoo see um you said moo sam


Star world or what ever his name is DISCORD<br>here star has magic has powerful magic and discord had magical magic SO add that to what u said MAGIC

Star world or what ever his name is DISCORD
here star has magic has powerful magic and discord had magical magic SO add that to what u said MAGIC


Discord and starswhirl have white beards


What if starword now learn friend things and is descore


@The Brony Notion I keep trying to find the video you made after this video but I can't find it. What was the name of the video after this one so I can see how you end it?

@The Brony Notion<br>ah ok I already watched that video, and yes it's an interesting idea.

@The Brony Notion
ah ok I already watched that video, and yes it's an interesting idea.

Who is the Shadow Pony? It wasn't exactly what I thought it would be, it's still an interesting idea! /)


Lololollol he thought that was true wach season 7


Wait what if discord was a normal dragon hours but he was asistent to star swirl but when he did the unfinished spell he and discord fused but the burst of magic made discord what he is today btw ther memory got all messed up so what he evil

Wait what if Discord was a normal dragon, but he was Starswirl's assistant but when he didn't finish the spell he and Discord fused, but the burst of magic made Discord what he is today. By the way their memory got all messed up so  Discord turned evil.


I'm dumb like my firends call me they call me little dumb girl (starts crying)WAAAAAAAAAAAAA...!!!!!!!!!!!! >~<,


It's more like musam though, I don't really see how accent can alter it like that.

some people pronounce things differently depending on where they live, i pronounce pecan as peCAN emphasizing the A while others don't. That's just how people are and that makes the english language so diverse.


I do think that Discord is StarSwirl the bearded. Because on Season 4 Three's a crowd Discord is sick the day the StarSwirl the bearded exhibit is open. Coincidence? No.

I wonder how StarSwirl turned to Discord. Here's my theory(s). StarSwirl was trying a spell that changes your form like Changelings. But it backfired causing him to not turn into the pony he desired, but his opposite self. Turning him into Discord.

Another theory is that StarSwirl had the alicorn amulet and used spells he couldn't handle. Then one night he tried to overrule Celestia and Luna, but they used a spell to alter the target. Himself. The spell changed as well turning him to Discord.

 "From one to another, another to one, a mark of ones destiny, singled out alone fulfilled." This is another theory. StarSwirl performed that spell. But he didn't have any pony to cast the spell on. So it altered his form turning him to Discord.

Those are my theorys.

Lisha Hernandez this is a lot of dedication

Sorry... He's not. I wish he was though...

+Kitty Friend theres also the idea that 1. A sprit shouldn't be able to get sick and 2. a spirit that can bend reality shouldn't be able to get the common cold unless he wanted to.

read the comments in last episode, ty if u do :)

It could not only change the way he looks but also the way he thinks and acts.

@The Brony Notion That video still doesn't make your theory make sense. I watched it. :(

~Dash~

@The Brony Notion That video *still* doesn't make your theory make sense. I *watched* it. :(

~Dash~

Well, Cadence and Twilight were hanging out in THAT day, Twilight decided to go there cause it was their only chance. But Discord wanted to wreck it.

I wonder if Discord was born or created out of chaos or was just there with no backstory.

I actually made a video with my own theory! (it's similar to your last one) Why Discord IS TOO Star Swirl the Bearded :D


DUH, of course Discord is Starswirl. I mean they kinda lookalike. Discord got a beard and hairy eyebrows just like Starswirl. Soooooo?

IxwiCraft star swirl appears in season 7 a normal pony

Isource season 8 already and I saw in season 7 that Star Swirl the bearded was freed from the portal to help the Mane 6 with a pony of Shadows and he appears and Discord is also there so no they're not the same person

And discord is gray just like star swirl is! And they kinda have the same eye color👀

+shaymin cutie actually we do know kind of what star swirl looked like, remember twily's costume from 'Luna eclipsed' ? :)

hmm, when you put it like that.... What if star swirl was a girl? star swirl kinda sounds like a girls name?

Well we haven't seen any actual pictures of star swirl, that fan art is only guessing that that is what he looks like


Do your old ting back bye The challengeling.


Well that is a good reson BUT im still the Discord pesident so ya and Discord dos have the same beard but well u do have good resons still that dos not say why he wuld want to be freinds with the WIMPY Fluttershy?!


+robert clark No it's a guy with a female muzzle.


I listen to Girl in red and mother mother


OMG JUST STOP WITH THE THEORY ABOUT DISCORD BEING STAR SWIRL! JESUS CHRIST


i think that you are reading way too much into a show. i mean come on it is only a show!!!

@Missed the Band Wagon<br>there isn't anything wrong with that i just don't agree with all of it

@Missed the Band Wagon
there isn't anything wrong with that i just don't agree with all of it

@IamFluffyPony But that's such a boring way to look at things I think. I mean sure this doesn't matter in the long run, but I have fun talking about theories.  I dunno, I don't even care if this theory isn't right, but I will be able to say I had fun with it and it got some gears in my head turning. Have a great day. =)


aphmue fan yes happy new year i know that is not today but lol


Discord is not starsworld because in season 7 they show starsworld


Sorry I was using speaker phone to put in my last comment so that's why some of the words are messed up :-(


On Netflix MLP Season 7, in Shadow Play I and II. The Mane Six, Sunburst, and Starlight find out that Starswirl and 5 other important ponies were gone in limbo in order to defeat "Stygian"


I’m not trying to sound rude, buuuut, you’re wrong. I know you won’t let go of it though, six years later and you still haven’t let go of it, but it’s been proven wrong


Wait a minute shining armor is twiliths brother and if prinses kadanse is twiliths sister that means she is shining armors sister to and that mean he maried with his sister!?!?!?!!???l😱😱😱😲😱😲😱😲😱😲😲😲😲😲😟😵😱😵😲😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😵😲


Meapenster is also me on transformice<br>


-Both have beards
-Both have yellow magic thingies
-Both have redish yellowish eyes
-Both have same expressions
-Celestia tells Twilight, (in Magical Mystery Cure) "Because Starswirl the Bearded didn't understand friendship like you do." Sound like someone else we know?


Hello everypony my name is moonfrost or sarral Macintosh.I am a peagasus so u no scew with me okay?    I'm new just made an account. So hi


if this is true, do you think that star swirl married flutter shy witch is why discord only likes her (Most the time) and had a child named screwball then he termed into discord and Screwball became older and moved out and now flutter shy never sees her but discord saw her once and told her who he was