Was Clover the Clever Actually Twilight Sparkle?

What if Clover the Clever is Twilight's ancestor? That certainly would make sense.

I'm watching this five years later and I love how half of this is wrong:> but it's still entertaining-

Brony: ".....Twilight went back in time to meet her idol."


Season 7: Imma end this man's career

It’s revealed in the season 7 finale that Starswirl the Bearded and the “Pillars of Equestria” (5 Other Powerful Ponies) created the elements.

It wasn’t a flashback it was a show for the other ponies.

This theory is good but it's a huge oof because twilight wouldn't need to go back in time to meet starswirl because after this video starswirl came back, I wish the show LISTENED TO FAN THEORIES

sawtooth: "the elements were created from the fire"

season 7 after the pillars explained they planted a seed that grew to be the tree of harmony that created the elements or harmony: uh- who gon' tell him?

yeah ik this was made in 2014

Twilight might be related to Clover in some way, but keep in mind, that episode was based off of recreating the founding of Equestria, (hearts warming eve). The founders of Equestria may have been similar to Twilight and her friends, but they are still totally different ponies. Also in the episode Forgotten Friendship from Equestria Girls, clover the clever wasn't drawn to look like Twilight. They might have similarities, but for that case, Celestia could have just picked anypony who was even slightly similar to the founders of Equesrtia. Twilight and her friends just happened represented them. Of course they wouldn't put the original founders of Equestria in the play, right after Twilight and her friends just started it and leave everypony confused, that a minute ago six totally different ponies were on the stage... I don't think there's anything special about the situation.

Hey it was a good theory, but in Equestria Girls Forgotten Friendship, it was confirmed that Clover the Clever is a boy. Sorry.

With the facts we have now, I think it could still be possible (in some way). I asume that Mistmane and the others planted the seed in the same place were the friendshipfire took place. So the magic of frienship let the seed grow into the tree of harmony.

This theory is debunked in the later seasons and the “flashback” wasn’t an actual flashback, it was a play put on by the Mane 6. The Elements of Harmony were created by the Tree of Harmony and the Tree was planted by the pillars (Rockhoof, Mistmane, Flash Magnus, Starswirl the Bearded, Somnambula, and Mage Meadowbrook)

I have an idea of why the Tree of Harmony has the elements. Once the elements manifested into all of the physical forms there was nowhere for them to safely go. The tree was created to be a safe vault for the elements. The tree became dependent on the magic of the elements to maintain the Everfree forest. When Celestia and Luna took the elements out of the tree the base of the magic was gone but the existing magic stayed in the tree, giving the protection that it had before, but this time it was using backup magic already stored into it. Like a battery it was eventually drained giving the Everfree forest nothing to hold it back anymore. Then when the mane 6 gave the elements back it was like plugging the battery back in giving it time to charge and regain all of the backup magic it had before the elements were originally taken away.

Thank you for reading it.

I mean, a reason why Twilight's cutiemark matches with the magic element of harmony could be becasue it was her destiny. Her element didn't conform to her like the other main six. Rather, her cuitemark and symbolic destiny marking on her flank conformed to the already existing magic element of harmony.

when twilight was trying to hatch spike and she got her cutie mark did Celestia notice her cutie mark was the element of magic?

I like the idea that The Friendship Fire thing caused the cave to warm up with magical-friendship-soup-i-guess, I'd also like to believe that there was a sprout that had been cryogenically-frozen in the freeze over thing that caused the crystally-look, when in reality that's unmelting ice (because friendship is sooooo magical that it defies stuff I guess) that's warm because the friendship fire is inside it! Also, that rock broke apart to create the gems, because it needed a reason to be special...


Edit: whoooops, I forgot about the pillars, DANG-IT, although... maybe Starswirl is kinda crazy because HE WAS JUST BROUGHT BACK FROM DEADNESS, AND IS NOW LIVING IN THE FUTURE, although, this proves another theory of mine where there are multiple Mane Sixes, so yeah, Your OC gang from the Equestrian Civil War about, Tia VS. Luna could be possible in my book...

I know season 7 proved this false, since it revealed the tree of harmony's origin, but if you don't want to stick with the cannon the cave in the story might be the place where the tree is. Why did the pillars put it there of all places anyway??

If Clover was Twilight it would make sense. Especially that one EG special where they mention that Clover lost her memories!
I don’t think she chose to time travel but actually ended doing that when chasing that villain into the other realms and realities. They never said if Clover got her memories back and she could have basically crash landed in modern equestria but that’s just my theory. I am glad I wasn’t the only one wondering about wether Twilight was Clover or not!😄

I once read a fanfic where Twilight was Luna's daughter, and she inherited her mother's immortality, so she was passed through hundreds of families over the years, with Celestia wiping her memory each time. And in that fic, when Nightmare Moon returns for Twilight, in Twilight's mind, we meet the rest of her past selves. Her birth name was Starswirl, she was Starswirl the Bearded, she was also a ton of other ponies that all looked very similar. It's honestly a cute and intriguing story, you should check it out! Not sure who it's written by, but if you look up "MLP Daughter of the Moon fanfic", then you should see it.

The reason that the Element of Magic is shaped like Twilight's cutie mark (assuming this doesn't apply to your theory) is because her 'special talent' IS magic, so the symbol that already represented magic became her cutie mark.

The craziest part about this theory, is that in season 7, we learned that the pillars made the tree. Maybe twilight helped them feed their magic into the seed they planted. Maybe because of her magic, and the fire coming from her, that’s why her cutie mark is there.

Of course, since "Shadow Play" it seems that Twilight Sparkle didn't train alongside Star Swirl. But, then we never actually see the real Clover the Clever. We see reference to him - male pronoun - in "Forgotten Friendship". The bearer of the Memory Stone he'd been chasing wiped his memory during multiple encounters. Twilight Sparkle ruling Equestria ending up the size range as Celestia and Luna makes it less likely. But who knows.

Maybe because Clover the Clever (Twilight) wanted the elements to be safe, so she created a tree that kept the elements safe. She placed the tree in the Everfree forest so that no one will find them. The tree was linked to the rest of Equestria and the Sisters, hence the sun and the moon on the tree. Clover knew that the sisters would arrive because she was from the future.

This also explains why Clover the Clever is called 'Clover', a typically earth pony name.


Twilight, upon going back and being confronted by another pony for the first time, would have likely freaked out and said her name was anything she laid eyes on, like a patch of clover growing on the ground.

From there she ends up in Platinum's court and slowly rises to court magician because Twilight can't keep her mouth shut to save her life (or the timeline -though in this case she is creating the timeline) and would likely be spouting knowledge and solving problems before she can even think she is doing so.


I need some fanfictions now...

I think that the friendship fire created the seed of the tree of harmony so the pillars could plant it. The reason I think this is because their is some sort of ‘god’ in mlp. I also think that maybe twilight created the friendship fire that created a special force. Take your theory that Celestia is the owner/watcher of her realm a.k.a. the place where princesses go when they get their wings or horns or both the friendship fire may have created a God or another watcher of that realm where maybe a pony or a human or even something else entirely so that means That twilight is the heart of Magic because that’s what discord said in season nine and maybe the friendship fire created another pony or a human or something else that went back in time again to create all of Equestria and their universe and dimension and maybe that’s how discord was created.Discord may just be the watcher of that realm he may know the end of every single thing but that’s his subconscious like how you also mentioned that ponies may dream of their versions in the human world and vice versa maybe discord has an alternate self (another dreconuquess like you said) And that other discord helped with starlight when she created the alternate realities you said that Some other ponies would collect information by using a portal like in the human world well instead of that the alternate Discord Knew that that was going to happen so he already Made the main six friends and if you’re wondering about twilight well now there is a human twilight and a pony twilight so maybe when twilight visited that dimension/reality she created or made another twilight that helped gather the other main six and they helped stop that reality and if you want you can think of it as a teardrop and in the end the main six in that other reality had the same ending as the one we know of and they linked together but not entirely because they have different memories. Discord doesn’t dream of the discord as we know him because he already knows what’s going on in his life and he already knows what’s going on there so he doesn’t have to dream of him but the discord as we know it does it’s not a must but he probably does but he never remembers it except maybe he does remember bits and pieces of it that’s how the MLP characters know what hands are like how applejack sings can you please give me a hand here when she was creating dresses in magical mystery cure.

I may edit this later but for now I’ll wait to see what y’all think.

I have to agree with some of the viewers here, what if Clover the Clever was Twilight Sparkle's ancestor? I can't exactly confirm that theory just yet, but it could be very well possible.

Honestly, knowing what we know now, eight seasons of this show and six years later, however possible, isn't probable. The sages who were the original creators of the elements worked with Starswirl the Bearded. Plus, the beliefs of the show's fan-base about a seventh element, and my theory, that the mane seven are descendants of ancient Alicorn royalty and related to Celestia and Luna. Plus, the possibility of a third sister of both Celestia and Luna. Which means their mother must have had two other sisters. The youngest of these three sisters was the Princess of Friendship and had her own Kingdom in what is now called Ponyville. I will say no more on the subject. If you want to know more, you may go to my DeviantArt page to read the whole thing, as well as other theories and head-canons that I have on the show.

My theory:
Twilight was the only survivor of an apocalypse. To try to prevent it, she went back to pre Equestrian era and found no Alicorn ponies but herself. Disguising herself as a drifting "Unicorn" named Clover, she used her vast knowledge of history to help ponies, earning her the name Clover the Clever. Arriving in Unicornia, she meets her old friend Starswhirld who, after telling him the truth, desides to teach her his skills and keep her secret, even from future her. Years later, she meets a young stallion, and has two young mares: Celestia, and Luna. She cast a spell on the elements of harmony turning them into the 6 seeds that would become the tree of harmony. She even plants a secert 7th seed for Starlight. Knowing she can not stop the apocalypse, but the future is in good hooves and claws, she lives out the rest of her live in a unknown location.

Maybe the Tree of Harmony sprouted from the friendship fire and that's where the elements came from. The Tree was even in a cave that looked like the one where Clover the Clever "ignited" the fire in the first place.

I know this is a super old video but I'm just going to say:
The reason I think that Twilight's element looked like hers before it had ever encountered her was because (maybe) her starburst symbol is a more universal symbol for magic in equestria. If that type of starbust is meant to indicate magic in equestria, it would make sense that they match because both of them represent the same thing. But maybe there aren't symbols that universally represent 'loyalty' and 'honesty' but maybe rather colours, so none of the other elements took on a unique shape.

The other elements had no reason to appear as an apple, or a balloon, because that has nothing to do with what they represent so they would match whoever they meet. Their elements are also qualities, whereas Twilight's element is a skill or really an innate power in her case. So whoever is capable of wielding the element of magic would have to be a good magic user, and would probably (but not necessarily) have a cutie mark showing the 'symbol' for magic.

This could also have something to do with something you've mentioned before, that pony's cutie marks don't just show their skills and talents but also their destiny. I think it's less of a 'the element looks like her cutie mark' and more of a 'her cutie mark looks like her element'. Although the elements ARE a part of the others' destinies and their futures, it is mostly part of Twilight's future because it shows her destiny of becoming the princess of friendship.

One factor to consider as a huge monkey wrench in this theory is that in the EqG special, _Forgotten Friendship_, Clover is referred to as being male.
(from the MLP wiki)
"After some time researching, Twilight and Sunset discover the ancient writings of Clover the Clever, which mention a magical object called the Memory Stone. Long ago, an evil sorceress used the Memory Stone to erase others' memories, and whenever Clover came close to stopping her, she erased his memories and escaped. To counteract this, Clover secretly wrote everything down so that he'd know the sorceress's next move after his memories were erased. Clover's last known action was chasing the sorceress through a portal, but the last page of his writings is missing. Twilight theorizes that the Memory Stone ended up in the human world and that someone is using it to erase everyone's memories and make them hate Sunset Shimmer again."

After the past few seasons, there's a few things in this theory that doesn't make sense anymore. Twilight wouldn't need to go back in time to meet Star Swirl, because he already had. But I think this might still work if Star Swirl ever died, she would realize that she didn't spend enough time with him before he died, he's her idol after all, and that would keep bothering her, until she comes up with the idea to go back in time. Another possibility is that she got a hint from star swirl or maybe she saw the past somehow, and she would realize she was clover the clever, and as such go back in time so it would happen.

1. Those Weren't Flashbacks, It Was A Play
2. In Forgotten Friends, Wasn't Clover Male?

You could actually say that the Fire of Friendship/Friendship Fire eventually turned into a seed, which grew into the Tree of Harmony, containing the ELEMENTS of Harmony!

Setting aside the fact that Twilight doesn't need to go back in time to meet Starswirl (this is an old video, I know you didn't know at the time), Clover the Clever and the others didn't necessarily look the way the play depicted them. Hell, I'm pretty sure Rainbow Dash was cross-dressing for the role.
I always pictured the original Clover the Clever being green to match the name. Could even be a green palette-swap of Twilight if we want to go that far with it, kind of like Moondancer was. I also like the idea that other ponies in history could have discovered the magic of friendship and it doesn't always have to be the Mane Six who are figuring things out.

Maybe the heart made the seed to the tree of harmony and Twilight gave the seed/seeds to starswirll not know what they are.This would explain why she puts the heart above the tree in season 8?So she pretty much made the elements of harmony

Maybe the friendship fire made the seed for the tree of harmony and then clover the clever and the pillars made the elements of harmony, just like in season seven. They said they planted crystal seeds, (the elements) but said nothing abut the actual TREE itself. But I realized this video came out in 2014 so it was a pretty decent theory with what knowledge you had at the time.

The elements of harmony are made by the pillars.They plant a crystal seeds and made the tree of harmony while the pillars are in limbo for 1.000 years

It looks exactly like The main six because they were doing a play

... I just think that the flashback sequence was a play put on by the modern-day ponies. The reason why the friendship fire looks so much like Twilight's magic is because she is using her magic to create the fire for the effects. And she's hiding her wings because, well, Clover the Clever wasn't an alicorn.

I have a theory.
The element of Magic had all the magic of the elements inside of it all along and went back in time to divide that magic so it wasn’t stuck with it all that time. Kind of like how the princesses gave their magic to Twilight in the Tirek episodes. Maybe Twilight gave it up to get that gigantic weight off her shoulders....

Great video but I realised one thing! When the friendship fire if that's what it's called was made wouldn't Twilight's (As an alicorn if she was Clover the clever) wings opened because of shock? Because all times Pegasus / alicorns are frightened or shocked they're wings open so wouldn't twilights wings have opened because of the shock? Sorry if this is a complicated.

The element of magic being Clover’s/ Twilight’s cm wouldn’t make sense, since she wouldn’t have had her cm in Starswirl’s time, since the rainboom wouldn’t have happened. Also, her friends wouldn’t have traveled back with her to look like Private Pansy and the others, yet they “did” in the flashbacks. Doesn’t add up. Also also, The EG movie about the memory stone and Wallflower Blush already said Clover had chased a sorceress to the human world- if that were the case, Twilight wouldn’t be in Equestria when FiM starts. Nor would she have been later scared of the human world or have it explained to her, by the events of the first RG movie, since she would have already been there as “Clover the clever”. Sorry, but I don’t think your theory holds water.

Maybe that cave they took refuge in was the cave that the Tree of Harmony grew in. The Fire of Friendship soaked into the very stone, and formed a permanent imprint or echo. As the Fire of Friendship spread though the ponies of Equestria, becoming stronger, it fed back into the cave, and from that stone grew forth the crystal Tree of Harmony, the embodiment of the spirit of Equestria.

I think this is how the elements of harmony came to be ( just my head cannon ) so starswirl was an amazing unicorn and he knew all the spells in equestria except for 1 the magic of friendship
wich he tried to study but he couldn't because he didn't have any friend like twilight in the beggining . his pupil Clover the clever saw this and thuoght for a while then she reilised how she could help him she was friends with all the tribe leaders (i dodn't know how ) there were 5 tribes she invited them all to come over and gaathered them all into her room and they arranged for someting .
all 5 tribe leadeds brought all there people to ponyvill and gathered them all into a great big hall firstly she asked all the tribe leaders to bring the most honest ponys and whith them she created the element of honesty she did that with all the elements until magic witch sheput her own magic in and when she was done she showed starswitl and then he made the tree or hrmony and pu tthe elements in the tree of harmony





PHEW THAT TOOK A LONG TIME THINK OF

But the tree was made by starswirl and the pillars. The fire of friendship may enabled the pillars to gain their abilities to make the tree.The then holds the elements that belong to the main six. Twilight may have told starswirl to make the during that period of time twilight could reveal her cutie mark and her wings. That would explain how the tree has her mark on it and why starswirl doesn't care that twilight is an alicorn when twilight brings starswirl and the pillars out of limbo.

i think the cave they were in was the same as where the tree of harmony was. perhaps the fire of friend ship eventualy was confonted with ponies with extreme magic ( star swirl and the gang ) started forcing it into 1 space and isntead of a black hole a seed was formed, making the elements of harmony in relation to those who planted the seed.

In my opinion, I think twilights cutie mark is literally the SYMBOL of magic instead of it being something else. So, that could explain why her cutie mark is everywhere.

they weren't flashbacks. they were scenes in a play. they were the main characters in the hearths warming eve play. Sorry to debunk your theory.

also, the first time clover the clever was introduced she was a unicorn. And in season eight the reveal that the elements were made from the tree of harmony shattered your theory on the elements being from the friendship fire. Also she was idolizing star swirl long before she was an alicorn, and in equstria girls Rainbow Rocks it is shown that twilight has no idea what happened to the pages of clover's book this proves that twilight has no link to clover the clever.

The magic from clover the clever's horn could be the magic that helped the pillars who planted the seed infused with their essence witch would become the tree of harmony

The reason the characters in the flashbacks resemble the main six is because they were performing a play about hearts worming eve which is the reason why they are in the flashbacks because they are the performers so that’s all the viewers had of a close thing to see what is happening

Maybe Clover the Clever was just like Twilight. Her hair is just like Twilight,her skin tone was just like Twilight personality was just like Twilight etc. Just her name wasn't like Twilight.

Maybe Clover The Clever was one of Twilights Ancestors so they shared the same magic

The reason they look like the main six was because it was a "play" I thought. 😮

"Mysterious thing, time. Powerful, and when meddled with, dangerous." Albus Dumbledore

Maybe her cutie mark is the same shape as the element, because being the bearer of the element of magic is her destiny/ special talent? Celestia has the sun as her cutie mark, because it’s her destiny/ special talent to raise the sun. She didn’t invent the shape of the sun, or the sun itself, right? I really love this theory, and I’m not trying to discredit it. I’m just saying a possibility.

Ok I can agree with the whole entire video except for the part where the Friendship heart turns into the elements of friendship I personally think it is heart that the crystal ponies use

I know this is WAY out of date, but maybe the magic could have created the tree, which created the elements of harmony. Then a the princesses could find the elements, and 1000 years later be given to the mane six. Anyone else agree?

1:58, hmm, that does make sense.

The appearance of the elements of harmony didn't look like their cutie marks before the mane six used them, but the 6th element DID look like Twilight's cutie mark. So she was connected to the tree, the elements and the castle wayyyy before she evem made friends.

Maybe over time, the fire became the tree of harmony and the gems were it's leaves, serving as an energy source.

Clover the clever is actually referred to by make pronouns in Forgotten Friendship, and the element of Magic is shaped like Twi’s cutie mark because it represents the “magic star”

It was Twight's destiny to represent the element of magic so it was her cutie mark that was created to match the element of magic not the other way around.

How about this idea: The friendship fire became the tree of harmony. Thats why its in that cave like area.

You’re making this way more complicated than it already is. Clover the Clever is not Twilight Sparkle. She wouldn’t time travel just to meet her idol. Her Cutie Mark is the symbol of magic and her element is the most powerful and the most important of all. It’s the element of magic which is shaped like her Cutie Mark. And that’s cuz it’s her destiny to have the element of magic

I have a theory, you said that the tree of harmony didn’t create the elements of harmony, but what if the cave the tree is in, was the cave that the ponies made the friendship fire were in? (And yes, the terrain outside the cave doesn’t match with the play, but terrains change with time.) So what if the tree was made with the elements for sort of safe keeping, if you know what I mean. And the explanation I have for that they are in the castle the times Celestia uses them on Luna/Nightmare Moon, is that the banish of discord that the sisters did together was before Luna was banished, so they went to the tree of harmony and got the elements, and when they were done they kept them in the castle of the two sisters, until Celestia used them on Luna, and they stayed there until Twilight and her friends used them and got the elements. That’s just my theory though... AN MLP THEORY!!!!😂

I always thought Clover the Clever was the ancestor of Twilight Sparkle considering they have alot of similarities like being a student and having great magical abilities. If you look at the others as well they seem to have traits which are similar to the mane 6. The best thing to look at is the book of the two sisters which explains sort of what they were like and you similarities between them and the mane 6.

So therefore i believe the parts they were playing are the ancestors to the actual mane 6 ^^

You’re forgetting Forgotten friendship. When sunset and twilight were reading about how clover the clever was trying to get the memory stone back but had many failed attempts. Then clover the clever chased her the thief to the human world. Think about it real quick twilight is the most important character in the pony world. So it’s most likely that she forgotten her importance to equestria and thinks she was a human being all along.

Glad to see that others have been expanding upon my original theory from so long ago.  Maybe I should make an update video on this topic.

I’m sure by now we all know that Clover the Clever and the others were shown as the mane six because it was a theater hearthswarming play .

If twilight were clover the clever she wouldve technically already kniwn about the memory stone and the scroll she wrote about it. Even if she kept losing her memory and she also wouldnt have been all like "omg starswirl ive wanted to meet you since like forever" in the second to last episode of season 7.

This theory was blown away in the season 7 finale when Twilight finally meets Star Swirl... so she does not need to go back in time to meet her hero...

I came from a very distant future to say then Star Swirl the bearded and the pillars of equestria created the elements of harmony

Here is my theory of the Elements of Harmony and how in the heck they matched the cutie marks of their future bearers... it gets a little long and mystical/metaphysical so bear with me!

There is some sort of spirit similar to the light side of the Force from Star Wars that guides the ideals of love, compassion, harmony, and friendship in Equestria. Let's call it the "Rainbow Force," which gets its name from a few things. This spirit is most present in the phenomenon of the rainbow. When young Rainbow Dash performed her first sonic rainboom, it set in motion the destinies of each of the Mane 6. Fast forward to Season 4, and we see the mysterious "rainbow effect" show up in the eyes of each one of the Mane 6 as they are given a key to the chest revealed by the Tree of Harmony. Finally, on another note, we've seen the Elements of Harmony combine their power to form a rainbow when used on somebody. So, this supposed Rainbow Force is what created the Tree of Harmony and the Elements of Harmony. Since it exists outside the constraints of time, the Rainbow Force created the Elements to resemble the cutie marks of the Mane 6. Fast forward to millennia later, and the Mane 6 are born as the "chosen ones," destined to restore harmony to Equestria. Their cutie marks are proof that they are the ones who embody the Elements. Who knows though, this could all be far from correct and I'm definitely taking this WAY too seriously, but it's just a theory... a PONY THEORY!

This is one of my favourite theories, but it can't be true. Because in forgotten friendship, Twilight has to look in the Canterlot library to find out about the memory stone. Whereas if she was Clover the clever, then she would just be able to tell Sunset Shimmer straight away. Rewatch forgotten friendship again to see if I'm right.

Here I'll explain, so the things with clover the clever were actually in the play and twilight was playing clover the clever. So they weren't flashbacks the main six were acting for the play.🤓

Nice theory but I don't think that's possible here's why-

Ok let's assume the twilight was Clover the clever.
Once there was a young filly named Twilight Sparkle. Her parents got an admission to the school of gifted unicorns ,but she had to pass an entrance exam. Twilight wasn't able to do the task given to her and she was about to give up, when but a sonic rainboom boosted her magic and she was able to pass her exam and got into the school for gifted unicorns. As she grew up she became a very bright and intelligent pony. When the princess sent her to ponyville ,she made 5 friends and with them defeated many villains and she later became a princess .She travelled back in time disguised as Clover the clever with a cloak to cover her wings. With ponies of other tribes she created a friendship fire that brought harmony to the land. But when Starlight Glimmer went back in time an stopped the sonic rainboom that boosted Twilight's magic and helped her to pass which means -- no rainboom = no princess of friendship = no Clover the clever = no friendship fire = Equestria will be a winter wasteland and the villains wouldn't be able to conquer and rule Equestria like they did in Starlight's time lines because there was no Equestria.

And also in Shadow Play part 1 Starswirl the Bearded would have recognised Twilight as Clover the clever because Starswirl the Bearded was Clover the clever's mentor.

And if your theory was true then in the season 7 finale star swirl would have said: that is a great idea.But instead,when twilight gave star swirl the other banishing spell so that the pillars won't go in,he said:i appreciate your endusiazom but we don't accept half way magic

The elements of harmony came from the tree of harmony the tree came from seeds The seeds were planted by the pillars Who were trapped in limbo 1000 years until Twilight and her friends freed them

But now we know that the tree of harmony/ the elements of harmony came from the pillars of old Equestria. Including Starswirl the bearded. I don’t get how though. Did the pillars just plant some seeds and then the tree grew the elements itself?🤔

Wait... Uhm... I think the elements came from both the friendship fire and the tree...
Explaining: so, after the fire (some time later) the "past mane six" planted the tree, (when Clover Clever told them about the fire) where the fire was. So they KNEW they planted a "magical" tree. But mostly it was 'coz of the fire

I watched that scene where the friendship fire is created, and i noticed something. for a brief moment, clover's cloak was pushed up. and there were no wings. 😭😭😭 but i do like the theory where clover the clever is twilight's ancestor.

If you think about it, if Twilight didn’t go back in time to past Twilight, I don’t think the events would’ve happen because she never would’ve freaked out about seeing herself in the future. Because all of it happened because her future self was trying to warn her but never did.

Unless I’m being dumb and she freaked out anyway ._.

if the friendship-magic-soup eventually turned into the elements it could have just as easily 'settled' and basically planted the tree of harmony eventually bearing the frui- I mean elements of harmony.

So if twilight goes back in time she told aka clover told him about all of the tribes magic together she basically created alicorn and she was trying to teach him the magic of friendship as clover later in the future he understands

i would say that the element of magic doesn't look like twilights cutie mark, her cutie mark looks like the element of magic, the six pointed star in this world represents the magic of friendship specifically, and that's one of the reasons celestia sent her specifically to ponyville, if her special talent, and destiny was just magic and being a great unicorn castor it might've been a five or four pointed star like star swirls stars, starlight has a six pointed star, but it isn't completed without the white points symbolizing that without her friends help she wouldn't actually be a good pony, twilight on the other hand is still a good pony, if a little to shut in and study focused, and it was the loss of starlights friend that lead her to go down a dark path, they have six points because while good at magic their destinies are very friendship themed, the other element are much more broad and wouldn't so easily have one symbol, so those elements changing to fit the user makes much more sense, also, celestia would have known twilight was clover the clever most likely (sidenote i think that suns that have to due with friendship, or being sociable, always have eight points, both sunsets and celestia have eight points of flame, celestia a much more uniform pattern to represent the fact that she has to be equally polite and kind to each of her subjects, while sunsets is a little bit more wild to represent the fact that her friendships are much more chaotic, and real)

I have a theory on the tree. Did you notice that in Hearths Warming Eve they were in a cave? The tree of friendship is in the cave. I think that the friendship fire melted some of the ice, then that water somehow infused with the essence of friendship and it dripped into the ground. That grew the tree! This probably happened after a long period of time. That would explain how the elements grew though, the friendship fire was infused with the magic of friendship and the water had that same magic. It grew the tree. Give me your feedback on this idea.

If you want a more detailed answer here it is so in the beginning of the episode when you say all the mean six getting ready for a play you would realize that they start to fight then a window burst open then it cuts to scene where is the play begins and it states that the to the three tribes were separated by the power of hatred

I think it was twilight’s ancestor. Maybe the tree of harmony knew all the main six before they even met each other. They got their cutie marks together

1) The main six were reenacting a legendary story as they are seen on stage a few times, the scenery is all for realistic effects to make you feel like you were there so twilight was just acting

2) In Equestria girls: Forgotten Friendship, Twilight tells Sunset Shimmer about a memory stone and mentions Clover the Clever and is confirmed that Clover was a colt and not a mare so twilight couldn’t have been Clover

I remember when this theory actually made sense, wow a lots changed.

Um well twilight was clover the clever because it was a play......

Could the Friendship Fire have caused the Tree Of Harmony to grow, creating the Elements of Harmony?

i love this theory and wish it was proven canon

Can we get a part 2 to this? Like, with everything we know now?

I don’t think they were flashbacks, at the beginning of the episode spike is on a stage talking to the audience, that means that it was all a play. I personally don’t think clover or they’re friends look similar to the mane six and it was all just costumes for a show. But maybe you noticed the spike thing as well and this is you opinion. I’m not here to bring anyone down

What if some villain traveled to different dimensions and stole the elements of harmony from those dimensions and got even more powerful? I know the show is over. Thinking about it, that would be a good idea for a new mlp. What do you think?

The fire turned into the tree Cos the cave is where they stayed

If we were using a timeline from waaaayyy before season 7, the Tree of Harmony could’ve been created from the friendship fire crashing into the ground.

What if clover the clever made a earlier version of the elements that gave the pillars the idea of the tree of harmony?

I think that the fire of friendship created the tree of harmony. It would go along with the theory and connect to the tree.

Do you thank Clover the clever will come back or Twilight might forget who she was and remember being Clover?

If twilight's cutie mark was on the tree before she existed then clover the clever comes so here's my theory that Twilights cutie mark is like a part of the cutie mark of clover the clever. If not then were did the tree even get the idea of a star for the element of magic if the cutie mark of clover has a part of Twilights cutie mark then why did the tree pick the star other than the other parts of Clover's cutie mark? Maybe beacause it looks the best to represent it? If so then Clover the clever is a powerful Unicorn. But theres one thing the elements of harmony should be able to erase memories right? since you know defeated tirek nightmare moon and other villan's. Here we go to another theory ik this comment is long. So Starlight's last name is Glimmer right? What if it was Sparkle. You must be like wait a second isn't that Twilights last name? Yes but I searched somethin online and it says this: Is Starlight glimmer Twilight's sister?
Starlight Glimmer is Twilight's older sister who was exiled from the family, because she did something so bad and unforgivable. The reason that Twilight doesn't recognize Starlight is because their parents used a memory erase spell on Twilight when she was a young foal. So this part their parents used an memory erasing spell. So were even is twilights parents. So back to clover. If they can both do a memory erasing spell then shouldn't there magic be like the same level. Maybe twilights dad was Clover the clever and the tree used Twilights cutie mark instead of Twilights dad/Clover So theres my theory

did anyone else notice that the Tree of Harmoney is in a cave? maybe the elements were made before but the after math of twilights magic caused the Tree to grow. and, as if they belonged, the non shapened elements quickly bond with their pony.(if you've seen/read the eragon series Here's a reference) as a dragon from a different series bonded at birth to her human rider? if this is close to the same concept i would under stand why the tree of harmony is in a cave. and if you look at the kind of tree it resmebles in the real world, a weeping willow. Here's a lil side theory to ponder your minds.

Actually I have led addition to your theoryI think that at first the first version of the timeline the events that happened didn't happen causing an apocalyptic winter which caused twilight to then go back in time to make those events happen and to do in a way where she would then go back in time and it goes and that's happened over and over

what if the cave the tree of harmony is in is the same cave as the one that clover and the others took shelter in. it would explain how the tree got there. that is what if the fire of friendship is the seed that grew into the tree?

Is the cave where clover unleashed her magic the same one as the one with the tree?

“What if clover the clever is actually twilight spark-FRIEEEEEEEEEEENDS”

they weren't flashbacks, they made it pretty clear that it was a play, and the characters were being played by the mane 6

It could also be like with JayFeather and the power of three with warrior cats, the three always existed, they will always exist, JayFeather went back in time and discovered Lion’s Roar and Dove’s Wing, JayFeather was called Jay’s Wing, this resembles LionBlaze, DoveWing, and JayFeather. They die and come back to life, so maybe with the main six, the bearers of the elements of harmony will always exist, Twilight and the others won’t, but there will always be the elements of harmony and their bearers.

Aand now Starlight Glimmer took your theory and made tiny pieces of it: it IS possible to change the past; any future Twilight would be terrified by the idea of interfering rather than confident she can do nothing wrong.

OK, so looking over the comments I can see a lot of people saying "it's just a play" and it's getting annoying. He's saying that the play was different to the realistic flashbacks. There were flashes between the two. Yes the mane 6 were used to make it easier for a viewer to see the traits in each pony but they were only representing the true ponies. Clover the clever could've been Twilight's ancestor, we know clover is a male and defiently not a purple pony in the equestria girls memory loss thing. But this theory still had solid points, so please everyone stop saying the same thing!!!

I like this idea, but I'm glad MLP didn't go full Homestuck on us. Also the thing about the past characters looking like the mane 6. That was a facepalm moment. That is so obviously because they're actors! Glad this eventually got confirmed, with some of the old 6 even being shown to have been stallions. Though, I can't remember where this was revealed.

what if that cave from where there others of the three tribes where in was the cave that the tree of harmony was. in the case that
means if its true your theory was kinda right just the friendship fire part was wrong maybe the friendship fire made the tree of harmonyand the tree made the elements of harmony from the friendship fire's magic.

But in the episodes everyone says that Celestia created elements of harmony to defeat nightmare moon 🌙. But if clover the clever really created the fire of harmony then Celestia only give them lives because when it was created it can't be seen.

I beleive that the star you call twilight's cutie mark is the equestrian symbol for friendship magic because it was found on the tree, and destiny decided that having the mark of equestrian friendship magic would be a good idea for twilight.

I think, that friendship-fireheart made not the elements of harmony, but the tree of harmony. I mean , that fireheart was made in some kind of cave, and the tree of harmony grown in very similar cave. Plus, Celestia and Luna found elements of harmony growing on tree of harmony, so with out tree, there would be no elements.

Here's my two cents:
The fire of friendship made the tree. Not the elements, but the tree itself.

The flashback was actually just a play put on by the modern ponies

I know I am late but I have a theory!
1. You know how celestia is an alicorn? Appearently alicorns live for eternity. I beleive celestia rebirths twilight everytime she makes a mistake. For example as clover the clever she may have made the a horrible mistake which cant be forgiven like stigeon! Maybe stealing all friendship 'til ponies and creatures feel empty inside like changleing which is how changelings were born by some ponies evolving into changelings as magic wasn't quite held properly back then! I also need to mention that celestia was kept undercover! And luna? Maybe this happened during the time she was banished to the moon. so celstia keeps rewinding time to save her future "student"! Twilights second rebirth is the loving seasons of My Little Pony we know and love today! Then twilight rebirth for the last time as the princess of friendship or quote in quote magic! Back to the fire of friendship. As you mentioned in the video it was created by twilight now clestia rebirthed twilight, she didnt change the past or anything so the fire became or made the elements but I beleive not so! (no offense) I beleive the fire hid into the everfree forest1 We all saw how powerful friendship can be! so the fire must've seen the future and now waiting in its place! I mentioned twilight did something wrong as clover the clever like stealing the magic of friendship which left back dark magic which created discord which is why she was rebirth. When she got rebirth she had to defeat discord which is her own creation aka the bad side of friendship then the pillars planted the tree of element which is what the fire was waiting for it combined with the tree and became the tree of elements! Then discord planted the vines and the tree kept the forest tamed. After every rebirth twilight becomes a better pony! But you know how she is insecure? Perhaps she keeps ONE secret form her friends and allies...she remembers something from her past! that somethings is her being corrupt which is why she over reacts and plans everything out! Finally her last rebirth is her being a princess which is why her cutie mark might resemble the elemnt as she go way back! I am positive this isnt true but it was relly fun to brain storm! I know I left things out but for those of you who read it thanks I appreciate it!

Why did was Twilight's cutie mark on the tree of harmony? Did Star Swirl somehow know Twilight, pt have a vision or some how know Twilight? Time travel does exist in mlp anyway, plus the theory goes that Twilight went back in time, and since another theory of yours the truth about star swirl goes like star swirl created the combo of alicorns, and that he added a time spell to stay alive for a while to Celestia and Luna, and himself. Perhaps they crossed paths? Through time travel?

This theory is wrong twilight was simply acting in a play as clover the clever though it might be possible that twilight might be a reincarnation of clover the clever, the thought that twilight went back in time, put a cape on to cover her wings, become the apprentice of star swirl the bearded nd took on a new name is pretty cool.

Watching this 7yrs later is certainly fun seeing all those mistake’s. 😂

Guess what we get a picture of clover the clever in season eight in “ A matter of principles” clover the clever is a yellow pony with white hair if that was Twilight then she would have to change her appearance. You may be asking how do we know it’s clover the clever well the best thing we know is that she’s wearing the cloak.

Alright so I think celestia created them to protect equestria just like you all might think. But the element of magic wasn’t originally twilight’s Cutiemark. When the main 6 used them they got redid as their cutiemarks. Btw please include my comment in one of your videos. Bro hoof.

See if you pay attention to clover the clever yes she was from the unicorn tribe but whenever twilight unleashed a strong magic her hair starts flowing or just flying because of the big blast so her cloak would have been floating too so they would have seen her wings and the ponies in the past would have thought she was the first alicorn and twilight did a memory erasing spell or another alicorn did the memory erasing spell so they may have not knew who was the first alicorn or knew princess celestial and Luna were the first alicorns .
Just thinking

If twilight was an alicorn then this would be way in the future when she would of come back, but would that mean there would be 2 clover the clever's?

*After watching video*

... I see...

"I'm sure you don't, but it's nice that you tried." -Fourth Doctor.

Sawtooth , how can Twilight make the Friendship Fire at the play if she hasn't done it before .

Watching this 5 years later is painful because just about everything has been proven wrong.



Oh look a creepy stone angel.

Clover the Clever can’t be Twilight because it wasn’t a flashback,it was just the play made into a episode of MLP

What if all the characters back then were the ancestors of the mane 6?
That makes sense right?
I read the journal of the 2 sisters and their personalities were totally the same

Remember starswirl's spell was changed by starlight slowing her to go back in time further, longer and chang time

I have to say your right.... how was her Element ready for her? I was yelling “ She JUST found it” I was also yelling “ sweet Celestia! What is going on?!!?!”

Sorry but this theory was disproven in like season eight or something by star swirl himself soooooooo sorry I guess. Edit: well just the part about the elements coming from the friendship fire

I know this video is outdated, but I just want to say that Twilight does meet Starswirl, and the pillars created the elements

FOLLOWING THEORY OF THE BRONY NATION: Well, in my own mini theory added onto.

THE TREE OF HARMONY WAS THE AFTERMATH OF THE FIRE-HEART THING! AND!!!!!!!!!!! Twilight knew EXACTLY where it was the whole time, she even tried to make an excuse in 'Twilight's Kingdom Part 1' because she needed to go there. She wanted it to be easier to find for her friends! Maybe over time, the ravine was formed to protect the tree from being reached. The forest somehow grew a mind of its own and overtook the land, or Twilight used her MAGIC to protect the tree from being reached!

And secondly, I feel like this is a good point to make. Equestria might've been originally made from the everfree forest. In the 'play' it has the mountains (Canterlot) and it even has jewels in the ground as it says in Part 2 of Shining Armour and Princess Mi Amoura Cadenza (Heehee!) Wedding. That is the jewel land that 'Unicorpia' was founded in. Well, the sky is self-explanatory, Cloudstale. And the Earth ponies. They didn't really have a place! Ponyville was founded by Granny Smith's family, and Granny smith can't be as old as Celestia and Luna, leaving me to say.

The castle ruins that Celestia and Luna lived in, was just a remake of another ruin. Ehm, to get this straight.....

Earth Pony Castle = Ruins. Ruins = Celestia's and Luna's castle. <---- Castle = Ruins. THE RUINS WE KNOW AND LOVE!

Continuing, the earth ponies fled because some dark magic doer, hint hint TWILIGHT, because she needed to create the ponyville to have her friends. After the earth ponies fled, they traveled everywhere, searching for a home. Generations passed, and the Smith Family came along and founded Ponyville. Never knowing that the cave that the original earth ponies, unicorns, and pegesi had lived, had the long-lost Tree of Harmony.

(But side-note, SERIOUSLY THE CRYSTAL EMPIRE PART 1 WAS FORESHADOWING TWILIGHT'S REIGN! It had her CASTLE on a stain glass WINDOW! Seriously! They knew it the whole time!)

Twilight wasn’t yet alive when this happened. Did you say time travel? Well if I remember correctly in it’s about time you can only be in the past for a very very short amount of time meaning she couldn’t be back in time for years!

OH MY STARS, that weeping angel scared the living daylights out of me

Maybe it was just someone who resembled her. Or It may just be a reinactment of it. Also, back to my first theory, maybe it was someone who resembled her so they asked her to do a reinactment of it and it is proven that in mlp history, they don't have the best artists so.. yeah also, um it was a play so..anyway... #debunkedtheory

Bruh I remember that jumpscare literally made me scream and cry as a 13 year old... those were the times

The elements of harmony and the tree didn't exsist in clover the clevers time. But maybe twilight was clover the clever, but just with a different cutie mark, like a clover in a book. Because you are different in a different timeline. So it's imposible that the elements and the tree of harmony existed in clover the clevers time.

What if Clover the Clever is Twilight's sister ? That certainly would make sense.

So back in the age of the ancients the land was shrouded by fog and snow. Then came the Fire of Friendship and with it the Elements. Laughter and Kindness, Honesty and Loyalty, and of course Light and Dark. Then out of the Dark, They came and found the Souls of Lords within the Flame. Luna, first of the introverts. Discord and his Daughter of Chaos. Celestia, Princess of Sunlight and her pitiful guards. And the Furtive OC, so easily forgotten.

Well now we know the theory of the heart is false and so is the fact that clover the clever being twilight. The theory was fun at the time though.

I know that it's 2020 and we have more knowledge but knowing what we knew then the cave the tree is in could be the cave the fire of friendship was made in. Just a thought

I love it when I understand theories.

That star is maybe the equestrian symbol of magic, or twilight’s cutie mark could be the element of magic, cutie marks are, like, your destiny.

The flashbacks were the main six acting but this could still be true or clover the clever could be Twilight’s cousin

To be honest I couldn’t believe that because clover the clever could have been twilights past life

... let's look at how the pillars planted the seed, let's look at the limbo happenings, nice theory, but it doesn't quite hold up, only a bit off of working. Oh also don't forget in MLP EG Forgotten Friendship, clover is shown to be a boy.

It’s weird watching this after season eight. I love this theory and season eight finale ruined it.

Or Twilight may be a reincarnation of Clover the Clever! (Dun dun daaaaaaan!)

Sorry to bust your bubble, but the elements came from star swirl and the pillars of equestria, not the fire of friendship.

Well..... I believe more in that Twilight is Clover's reincarnation.

If twilight was clover the clever . Then in eqestria girls-Sunsets forgotten saga if she knew about the memory stone because she was chasing the evil pony she could have just told her about the memory stone except take her to the royal princesses

Or she was clover the clever but the spell she cast may not have been a time loop .
It may have been just a travel to future to see what it was like

its not that the element of magic was destined to be like twilight's cutie mark, it's that twilight's cutie mark was destined to have the shape of the element of magic

well, to fix your theory, i say that the fiery friendship heart created the seed of the tree of harmony or something. not the elements

Maybe the reason why the Element of Magic was Twilight's cutie mark was because she was chosen to hold that element probably, same with the Tree of Harmony

I laughed hard at the Doctor part!

well i think the pillars planted the tree by using some of the friendship fire

To all the people saying that the flash back was a play. Yes. BUT the play was based off of what happened. Meaning that it still is plausible for twilight to still be clover.

I know this is an old video but I think I have a good idea of what happend
Ok so Twilight goes back in time and creates the Friendship fire that creates the element of magic, the element of magic then goes and creates the tree of harmony (which is why it has Twilights cutie mark on it) and then the tree grows the other elements from what the element of magic saw while being made in the friendship fire

if clover the clever really is twilight, she would tell her friends right away don't you think

I have came back 6 years later and I just wanna say you were my childhood hero :)

Twilight doesn't have to go back in time to meet Starswirl the bearded. She met him in shadow play, the last episode of season 7

My only problem is in it's about time (forgive me if I'm wrong haven't seen the episode in a while) doesn't it say that the caster could only go through time once before coming back? Now to theoretically solve that it could be possible she found a new one, finished an old one, or created her own new spell that she did not know the effects of.

i think you've got confused, only because they were acting. i watched the video of that and twilight said they were acting out the play otherwise what were the costumes for when the episode started!?!

This entire theory is toppled now that twilight actually has met star swirl and the pillars

Well. In that case Starswirl would have recogniced Twilight at the 7 season finale.

The pilers grew the tree and seeds grew known as the elements of harmony so she could not have made the elements

could the cave in the everfree forest be the cave where the fire of friendship was created and the ashes became the tree and the phoenix.

Season 5 finale: Uh, that spell can only go back a week.
Sawtooth: ( bangs head on table )

When twilights eyes turned white in each time she did something powerful ,that doesn’t mean that the play she did was real so twilight was not clover the clever

Well maybe the tree is in the cave where the tribespeople went to shelter, but magic grew the crystals and other plants popped up.

No, because in ‘forgotten friendship’ from Equestria girls, clover the clever is an actual separate character

THE MIDDLE OF THE TREE OF HARMONY IS TWILIGHT/CLOVER'S CUTIE MARK!!! LOOK AT IT CLOSELY

So Twilight remembers her past life as Clover the Clever?

That ending nearly scared me to death lol.

Personally, I think the "Flashback" Was a play, cuz you see spike commentating, and before, the main 6 preparing.

I’m sorry I have to disagree with you. I know that you probably have seen the newest MLP but none of this is true: the clover was a guy and also he was blue and the stars with the beard was trapped in limbo for 1000 years seen season eight of friendship is magic

Thing is this can be debunked by the fact that twilight meets her idol anyway so wouldn't need to travel back in time.

It's still possible that Twilight is Clover, but she wouldn't have been able to stay forever

It's about time is still going on to this day.

Future Twi Warns Past Twi-Past Twi discovers not to worry- Twilight warns the next Past Twi??

It's never ending

I thought twilights cutie mark was simple like how dashes cutie mark had a striking resemblance to the wonderbolts logo or cadence cuti mark being the crystal heart we even have shining armors cutie mark being a shield with his sisters cutie make and this would be befor he new what the star stood for it’s like if a pony had a book cutie make then later on became a author it’s like the sofa and quilts pony he probably didn’t start running the store when he was a fily but made or took onership of the store later on

Ummm i don’t think it was a flashback, it was just a play acted out by the mane six, but clover the clever could be twilight’s great great ( even more greats ) grandpa.

Are we sure that clover is like twilight’s ancestor!

The reason the flashbacks look like the mane 6 was because they weren’t flashbacks, they were a play preformed by them with some green screen editing

On the topic of who made the Tree Of Harmony, wouldn't it make sense that if Twilight is Clover the Clever, wouldn't she have helped in creating the Tree?

Maybe the friendship fire was actually a seed for the tree of harmony

There's actually two elements of harmony missing cuz there's two slots that no one noticed in the tree of Harmony One in the Sun and one is a moon who do like you relate to the two queens of Equestria perhaps

What if..
Twilight was a descendant of Clover the Clever?

So twilight has been reincarnated? I hope you make more time travel videos soon.

This is my theory:back then the sixth element was a complete mystery and when the five are present,a spark will cause the sixth element to appear. So maybe that is why the element of magic looks like a six pointed star and sorry brony notion for messing up and correcting your thoery

She can't be clover the clever because in the Equestria girl Series where Sunset Shimmer's friends a lose their memories she talks about how Clover the clever hid This like a stone that can erase memory

Clover the clever when meeting twilight sparkle:

Finally,A worthy opponent!
Our battle will be legendary!

What if Twilight's cutie mark was based on the element of magic instead?

Well we do see a picture of the pudding lady that I can't remember the name of soooooo she doesn't look like pinky

Maybe the heart created the tree of harmony...

The memory stone episode proves this false as Clover is clearly stated to be male.

I'm pretty sure the story characters looked the same as the mane six is because they didn't know the real looks of the people and just filled in the blanks with themselves

This theory got busted by the season 7 finale.

THE END SCARED ME 😭

Dude , that ending was so scary !!!

Clover The Clever was a stallion. Twilight's a mare. Though Twilight may have disguised herself as a guy, but I doubt this would be very useful.

The wings! She had wings before she even knew that she has wings!

What if the spirit of the tree of harmony predicted twilights destiny?

Maybe Twilight had a ancestor that looked similar to her.

Maybe since the pillars created the elements of harmony and twilight was clover the clever maybe starswirl made the element of magic look like her cutie mark because she was his student

I do believe that clover the clever is twilight because friendship saved clover the clever and it saved twilight too and i know almost every pony is saved by friendship now but Back then they were still separated and plus I can imagine a story here twilight was able to make modern day ponies have friendship but not the past ponies so she maybe used time travel to go to the past and fix that it can explain why clover the clever unlike platinum wasn't fighting that much.

Then how did star swirls the bearded said it represented him and the other legends? Maybe clover the clever gave it to him? I don't actually know.

it wasn't a flashback it was a play

I think that Twilight is the reincarnation of Clover the Clever.

That's why the element of magic always looked like twilight's cutie mark

I LOVE THE IDEA !!! But I just can't bring myself to believe it

What if the Fire of Friendship actually created the tree of Harmony?

I thought that episode they were just acting for a play......

Honestly I would think Twilight is the decent of star swirl or Clover

lmao imagine what would happen when he finds out the elements where made by the pillars

0:42 In that episode the main six were in a play and acting out their roles!

Dialga(the pokemon of time can go back in time its in a movie) took twilight to the past don't forget she can only use the time spell once i like pokemon too much

im sorry but has every one forgeten that the episode in question was about a play in which the main six where playing the charitures? they arent flashbacks they are just the play which is put on every year, with dif actors.

Element of Harmony is shaped like Twilight's cutie mark because she has the talent for magic that's why her cutie mark is the same shape as the element of Harmony

The brony notion: twilight would go back in time to meet her ittle

Me: didn't she already freed her ittle?
My friends:mind blowing!!!!!!

What about the memory stone were wall flower took everyones memory eqg and clover the clever with the same coat hid the stone?

I think that inside the fire of friendship was well, friendship which forged six elements, where around which the evergreen and free of harmony grew

Wasn't this whole 'flash-back' thing just a play that the mane six were acting out? Like a way to tell the story?

twilight's destiny was baring the element of magic so destiny made her cutie mark the element of magic because she was supposed to bare it

4:18 the element isn’t shaped like her cutie mark. Her cutie mark is shaped like the element.

i remember watching this when i was 9 or something and i got really scared when i saw the angel at the end lol

Or twilight was born in th past as clover the clever and did all that freindship fire stuff yadadada. Starswirl then realized that there would be a disturbance with the elements and told twilight that she had to be "reborn" to twilight velvet as twilight sparkle, so she could do all the alicirn stuff all over again and save the elements with their new bearers the main six. She cant remeber being born in the past but she still has that sliver or idolization for starswirl. Im not saying I beleive in reincarnation but its a possible therory in a fanatsy tv show.

As much as I believe it was only a play it's fun to fantasie and no-one can say this theory wouldn't make a good story

twilight come back at time so the elements of harmony exist before he read the book in season1 episode1 thats what I think and elemants of harmony select celestia and luna then when Luna turn into Nightmaremoon no one is using the element so its at the sisters castle I forgot whats the place called and then the "Mane" or the main six or chosen by the harmony because they represent it by their spirit just like twilight said "The Element of Harmony might be broken but the spirit that represent it is right here" so Twilight knows about the harmony before the mane six knows about it.

just found this channel, wow, great work.

It's like.. If you have that cutie mark, you are destined to become the friendship of magic

WHY DID YOU DO THAT TO ME AT THE END?! WHY?! WHYYYYYYY?????!

I just thought of a random theory that has no Evidence so it is probably not going to be right. Anyway here it is: What if the elements of harmony made the tree of harmony or the friendship fire helped to make the seed that grew into the tree of harmony. And the brony notion is slightly wrong because the friendship fire is still burning to this day. So ye that is my theroy

The tree of harmony has the sun and moon on it that means that's Celestia and Luna have elements

Neet theory, but what if the cave the fire was in was the same cave
as the tree of harmony was in. So the fire turned into the tree of
Harmony and later made the elements.

That isn’t how the elements of harmony came. In season 7 starts whirl of bearded cane back with his “gang” and they were the original of them.

Well i think yes you made it perfectly clear when you talked abot her element

Maybe that is the universal symbol for magic

i don’t think that would be possible, hearths warming eve was there even before twilight became an alicorn

Umm, I don't think 🤔but I am sure that it is a point because twilight's element was created before she was born. Celestia and Luna created because to control the care and appreciation between pony's.

Clover the Clever is a funny name XD There's a g2 pony called Clever Clover. I wonder if they're related?

maybe her cutie mark looks like the element of magic because she was destined to be strong in magic and her cutie mark shaped on to look like the element.

When he showed the image of the tree of harmony the sun on it is not Celeste’s cutie mark it’s Zacoras I know this because of the swirl in the middle

This theory doesn't make sense.
How could've Twilight become the princess of friendship and still be IT in the past if in the beginning of Equestria there weren't ANY sorts of friendship to "create the elements that joined she and her friends together?"

hey guys.....

Ever thought of the theory that they did that just to make it look cool?

That "flashback" was a play

When you watch the episode and see that it's an act

On the movie hearts warming eve twilight dont have wings yet... You can see while they where getting ready for their play.... And in the end while they are all arguing about whose gonna close the window you can see twilight wasn't wearing that cloak she was wearing in their play... In that move or episode or season twilight really dont have wings yet... Dont believe me?? Watch that movie again

But in season 7 finale twilight met her idol and now she doesn't have to go back in time to meet her idol, right?

Maybe the memories weren’t actually memories maybe they were the main six putting on a show to show other ponies what happened that would explain why the characters look like the main six at least that’s what I think

Don't ever do that weeping angel thing again that scared the frighin hell outa me

Okay anyway, I think this thereoy can not be entirely proven. First in Its About Time, there was only one time spell that could allow you to go back in time for a few seconds, but then again twighlight could've made another time spell, witch in the other case would prove your theory. Annother idea was that if this is true then maybe twighlight told star swirl the bearded to write the spell that she became a princess by rewriting it. Some of my pegasisters where talking about Doctor Whoves not Doctor Who, Doctor Whooves. if twighlight met the doctor she would probably go back in time and do all that. Another theory just occurred to me, in your DPC of Its About Time you asked where did the original message that made twighlight worry so much, theory=Doctor Whooves. Twighlight probably wanted to change that day but just made it happen. If this where all true then that would be my dream show

If the spirt of harmony is a sparking version of twilight + twilight is clover the clever = some more proof of this video

Omg you got david Tennant's voice spot on!

Well Celestia and Luna's cutie mark is in the tree of Harmony. Doesn't that mean that they have a part in the elements of harmony.

On the Harmony it has the sun in the moon no wonder Celestia and Luna can control the elements of Harmony

They were in a play, because in the beginning they put on the clothes
Right?

I think twilight is the one who planted the tree of harmony
If one you look in the center her cutie Mark is there
And in past invents when she WASN'T a princess or even born.
Can you explain THIS.

I think that twilight AKA clover the clever used too much magic and then she died in the exact same spot as the tree of harmony and then she turned into the tree and all the elements went strate to the tree and then twilight was the tree for all those years

I love your thoughts twilight sparkle can be clover the clever but how did she go back in time

the elements got created and put int that cave then the tree came and poof celstia used it to ban luna and poof they where still there!

i hope gen5 will be like the 3 tribes man, them not getting along would be cool.

Orrrr…..
MAYBE CLOVER THE CLEVER USED TO BE THEIR OWN PONY UNTIL
TWILIGHT DECIDED TO OVERTHROW THEIR PLACE AFTER SEEING
THE FRIENDSHIP CREATED DURING THESE EVENTS AND WANTED IT TO BE HER
(Or wanted to experience it herself)
DUN DUN DUUUUUUUNN

Maybe the magic made the tree that made the elements

This theory is now false because in Equestria Girls Forgotten Friendship, it mentions that clover the clever was a boy not a girl so it Clover The Clever couldn't have been Twilight. And in the season 7 finale, it showed that the pillars of equestria planted the seed of the tree of harmony so the fire of friendship couldn't have turned into the tree of harmony. I know that this video was posted before that episode or that special came out so i'm not mad that you've made a theory in this video that was later debunked by Hasbro.

... you couldn't resist at the end... could you? OK... I was TOTALLY LOST

Ah... Seeing this in 2020 I kinda wish he would have been right about all this. Oh well.

Soo,I have this weird thing,say you have a friend and a few years of being friends with them,you go back in time to talk to them,when you go back to the present,would your friend remember since it was the past,would they remember you talking to them?

maybe twilight created the tree after the elements are made. thats why her celestia, and lunas cutie marks were there!

equestria girls . wall flower blush used time stone then sunset went to the pony world twilight sparkle talked about clover. clover the clever hid a page so twilight sparkle would know were it was if she was clover the clever.

S7 finale crushed this theory

The pillars planted the tree of harmony aswell as the elements

we all know it was not true anymore with the ending of the show

Ohhhh now I understand. It means that twilight went into the past and lied that her name is clover. Am l correct. If yes than twilight should sit in apple Jack's honesty classes her friendship school.

according to the equestria girls movie forgotten friendship, it is revealed that clover the clever was a male pony.

Um the only reason the mane six looked like that in the flash back by it was a play

Clover the Clever was male, according to memory stone related series of EqG.

Him- That's why the flashbacks look exactly like the mane 6
It wasn't a flashback, it was a play....

If clover was Twilight, clover would understand friendship and she didn’t really

But clover the clever is not the apprentice of star swirl and was actually before the time of star swirl.

I'm from the future and as far as i know, this theory is wrong.

Well if she was clover the clever then she just made another loop? She will resume time then go back in time as clover the clever right?

what if clover the clever was twilight sparkle but in another dimension?

The heart didn’t make the elements of harmony it was the tree of harmony.

What if the tree of harmony was created by the magic fire and the elements were made out of the tree

But Twilight isn't an Alicorn when she was Clover the Clever and it,wasn't flash back they acted it. :|

this is technically outdated, as we now know the pillars planted the tree and made the elements

I think in eqg forgotten friendship it was revealed that clover the clever was a stallion so it isnt widdle twily

Another reason the elements of harmony formed to resemble the other the other main 5 ponies cutie marks is because Twilight Sparkle could have had any other friends and it wouldn't have mattered.

Because now Season 7 is out, this theory is outdated - Starswirl was trapped in limbo and Twilight brought him back.

Maybe the element of magic was Twilight’s destiny - Celestial could have noticed that Twilight’s cutie mark looked like the element of magic, and Celestia probably could have known that the element of magic was her destiny

brohoof

Me: OK, another video to watch coming up next!

scary angel pops up

Me (in 2021): I THOUGHT SALLY SPARROW TOOK CARE OF THAT AAAAAAAA

I don’t think even the writers think this deep

Awnser to titel: no clover the clever is referred to as a stallion in forgotten friendships

That ending picture though-

Clover the clever is not twilight for two reasons one if twilight was clover the clever then she would know were and what happened to the memory stone and two clover the clever is a stallion not a mare

What's with the ending? Why did you put an angel in there lol. That had nothing to do with the video.

They were not flashbacks, the main 6 were acting in a hearthswarming play

I don't know what season it is but it's the season before Twilight become a princess and she is not traveling to time. So Twilight is acting like Clover the Clever and not hiding her wings. (cause of course she has no wings) Please don't say that I'm a hater

maybe the cave where the friendship of fire was the same cave the tree of harmony is in! maybe the fire turned into the tree with the elements!?

This was proved wrong in shadow play parts 1 and 2 because star swirl was brought to the (future) aka present

What was with the gargoil at the end? Was it a Dr who reference or something?

They weren’t flashbacks they were the mane 6 dressed up for a hearthsworming play

What if clover the clever was the father of the royal sister ,nvr thought of that tho maybe not

Time travel always makes troubles.

I think that the elements of harmony stayed there until they fell in the ground and it grew the tree and the elements of harmony grew out of the tree and Princess selestia and princess luna found them

Twilight prob isn’t but maybe her parents where!!!

Well it's a lot better than the canonical pillars...

The tree of Harmony and the elements of Harmony were grown by the 6 pillars

Or coruse Twilight Sparkle can't be Clover the Clever! In the Hearth's Warming Eve play,Twilight Sparkle as Clover the Clever,Okay?

YOU LITERALLY GAVE ME A HART ATTACK AT THE END OF THE VIDEO

She is Clover the Clever, how can she make the Fire of Friendship?

The Tree of Harmony planned her Cutie Mark.
Orrr the tree of harmony creates her.
Thats my theory
And its cringeyyy
Ima delete it

The only the reason Clover the Clever is Twilight is because they were acting it out in the play.

This theory link up with the video that al gems have magic soo some gems aka elements of harmony somehow absorbed the magic and that is also baby why the elements was in the rocks ♥️

Clover the clever is a boy
And the elements were created from the tree harmony
Witch was planted by the pillars

Actually it Inst Twilight because they were acting it out and events didn’t actually occurred with this team but for that one episode they made these characters look like the mean six because they were acting it out for the episode

or maybe its just a play instead of flashbacks

Nah, twilight was Dressed up just like clover the clever, it just a show, and since twilight is an alicorn she covered her wings too

You kinda predicted the future... OHMIGOSH. Except Twilight brought Star Swirled back to the present.

Wouldn’t star swirl recognize twilight as clover the clever

OH OH OH!!! You may not believe in God, but I do. This video has (excuse my irrelevance) made me feel less weird about how God is supposed to have no end, as well as no beginning. This explains how He can be all knowing, because time is irrelevant to Him and thus He has no begging, no end, and knows all as if it already happened.

But yes this is cool! But if Twili went back in time to becom Clover the Clever... What will the present-day Equestria do without her, not to mention her friends? Perhaps this means that human Twilight from the EG series will come to Equestria and replace the Twilight that went back in time and created the Elements of Harmony? Or will she go back to the present once her time in the past is done? Is there any account of Clover the Clever disappearing suddenly? Is this what Twilight's last quest to save Equestria will be? Is this her destiny, and the cutie mark she has now represent the Element of Magic she originally created in the past? Are the five smaller stars around the one large star each represent one Element of Harmony that was created from the Element of Magic???

^ Whoa

Updated to current: Star swirl tells twilight of how much she would have liked clover the clever. They’re so alike. So, she goes back in time to meet her, but clover the clever is nowhere to be seen. She becomes starswirls apprentice, and realizes she was clover the clever all along. Then the theory goes as described; but the friendship fire creates the seed of the tree of harmony, which the pillars later plant. She then returns to the future the day she left so she’s not missing out on any time ruling equestria.

well with the season seven fanaily i think this theory is wrong because when Twilight Sparkle brought back star swirl you would thing he would be nicer to his apprentice or at least be like "Clover the Clever? How are you in this time period" and if when twilight became clover the clever she expliand that she traveled through time star swirl would at least say hi to his apprentice
also the "flashbacks worn't flashbacks they where plays

The “flashbacks” were part of a play and the mane 6 were actresses

I have a question brony notion, why when twilight gets her wings it looks like pegasi wings, then the wings change to alicorn wings just saying.

This is so confusing. I'm lost. SO LOST. and why did you flash that at the end??? Lol. If your gonna flash something at the end, make it something that would make me Lol.
Stay Derpy.

What if clover the clever was twilight from the past We see her in a episode.

Clover the clever had a cutie mark too and the element of magic should be that color and he saw the future and the element changed color...its theroy
My theroy!

Maybe clover the clever is twilights ancestor and it wasn’t a flashback it was a play

Wasn't it not a flashback but a play.
And with the cutie mark element. Twilights cutie mark represents magic. Not the other eay around

no because they were scenes from the play that the mane 6 starred in

The theory can’t be true because the flashbacks weren’t real the episode was based on a heartswarming play

I guess thats why starswirl didnt seem shock when he met princess twilight?my head and brain is spining everytime a video is about time travel

Clover the clever is a lot different from Twi

Those weren’t flashbacks they were putting on a play.

WTF are you talking about, they were acting in the play.

Kind of disproven.
Edit: I think instead of the elements shape after Twilight but Twilight was shaped after the elements.

Have you even watched the episode?
They were doing a PLAY, with COSTUMES and ROLES
Have you ever been to a theater?

The elements broke so when they were fixed it matched with there cutie mark

The crystals only gets its shapes from the pony who is compatible ,right?

OH GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!

If there was a loop, wouldn't there be multiple elements of harmony?

course recently this one got debunked [posibly] as its revealed clover the clever is male in forgoten freindship...debate the cannon status all you want its still there...shame too this was an epic as hell theory

Solid theory , exept later seasons proved it wrong

Twilight’s cutie mark is the symbol of magic

4:54 CREEEPPYY!!!😱😱😱😱

Lets just appreciate how this is so weird

there is an explination that sends this theory crumbling down

IT WAS A PLAY

they were watching a play and in the beggning you could see them changing into these costumes, the backgrounds were probably a screen play, you can tell that ponies would of learnt how to do that spell because further into the seasons you can tell that they could do screen play when twighlight had prestentations at her school

THEY JUST WERE PUTTING ON A PLAY :0

I'm coming back to this video after the episode about 'the pillars' came back.
It sucks cause I can't fit them into this theory...

the fact I'm watching 6 years after this has published

Clover The Clever is actually Twilight she is dressed up like Clover The Clever any pony believe me!,You're theory isn't correct sorry but I knew it was Twilight BUT good theory.But hey that's just a theory a Pony theory.

Did anyone else see the demon statue at the end of the video, or was it just me?

Also maybe that's why the element of magic is Twilight's cutie mark.


Edit:ok so I just watched more into the video and realised that that was already said whoopsies-but it actually does make sense.

Clover the clever was a stallion we learn in forgotten friendship eg

The weeping angel scared me so badly...

It's a play

And maybe the tree of harmony was a place to safely store the elements

What if the friendship fire and the Christal heart are related/connected? Think about it they both are sores of light th a keep away the cold and enemys. Coincident?

The friendship fire made the tree witch made the elements..... makes sense.... right..?

Maybe twilight isn't the first prices of friendship!She is the SECOND!!!

Okay I got a real kicker to maybe tie the loose ends of this theory together.
Have you ever had the thought about the convience of where the "Freidnship Fire" was made? It was made in a cave. Noe also noticed how the Tree of Harmony was also in a cave. Could have the friendship fire became a seed soon planted in the ground and then grown inti the Tree of Harmony bearing the elements asbits fruits? I think yes. It would make sence after the land was founded by the tribes thatit was planted. It would also explains why the princess lived there originally instead of in Canterlot since the origonal capital could have been there, where it was founded, and where the tribes first settled and united themselves.
Howd that for tying the loose ends? ;)

Is clover the clever twilight sparkle

Me : wait... I thought twilight sparkle was just in an act-

Maybe the fire was the seed of the tree of Harmony

The elements of harmony came from the tree of harmony not the fire of friendship

At 4:54 I was so scared and I squealed like a kid,and hid in a ball in my chair and my sister put a picture of holy water on her computer screen just to scare off.

They were putting on a play duh

A weeping angel?!?!

You've doomed us all!

What episode is Clover the Clever from??

Edit: I found it 1 min after I commented

So, Twilight existed before she existed before she existed?🤔 That's more confusing then the Fnaf lore.😅

The element of magic looks like twilights cutey mark because twilights cutey means magic

What if twilight was clover the clever and starsword was the flying pony huh

1:10
This whole theory has been debunked by the show.. ...poor sawtooth

Clover the Clever isn't really Twilight Sparkle. She just acted as the character in a performance and she isn't really Clover the Clever.

This is so out of date. XD
Would love to see a revised version.

Clover the clever was a unicorn,was she star swil,s top student.? Besides she is clover,the clever!

I think that the fire of friendship created the tree of harmony and then the tree of harmony created the elements

No she isn't, if twilight was clover in disguise she is a pony of Destiny like all the mane six only difference is as clovers counterpart off course she'd be the princess and how did we get six elements if the fire was formed by three of the aspects

I hope you find time to watch the season 7 finale... THE PLILLER ARE BACK!

it is impossible, because in the future she is a full alicorn

But then that means Twilight created the memory stone but in Equestria Girls that would mean the memory stone got stolen from Twilight but how would she not notice and she would have told Sunset everything about the Memory Stone

Not true the pillars actually grew the tree of harmony which grew the elements of harmony

No, the main six played them, that’s why they look like them🤦🏻‍♀️

THE FRIENDSHIP FIRE IS IN THE CRYSTAL HEART AND WHILE THAT WAS HAPPENING KAIDENEC AND SHINING ARMOURS LOVE CAUGHT THE ETENTION OF IT

Why is the tree of harmony not called “tree of friendship”?

What about the newest episode? Star Swirl and the Pillars were trapped in limbo. If Twilight was Star Swirl's student, wouldn't he remember her and wouldn't Princess Celestia and Luna also remember her ( since they were his students)?

Aaaaaaand now we know Clover the Clever was a guy and Twilight DOES know the negative effects of time travel... Hasbro loves ruining great brony theories.

even if half of it wasnt wrong, clover the clever was a stallion, not a mare. still, maybe shes descended from him.

Twilight is not Clover the clever it's the age the founders of Equestria were there before Twilight

What if Clover was reincarnated into Twilight-

The element of magic does not look like Twilights cutie mark it's the other way around

Maybe clover the clever’s Twilight past life

Well they were playing those charters in a play so there may not have been a flash back @ all.

I think that in the past clover the clever is Twilight's mother and father's teacher

i have a theory that clover the clever is actually stigian

The elements came from the pillows not from the friendship fire

Sorry to break it to you, but Clover the clever is uhhhhh..
A male
Orange
Knows about the memory stone and twilight doesn't
And a few other stuff.

Unfortunately, this theory is no longer correct, at least regarding the elements of harmony.

Star Swirl planted the tree of harmony with the other pillars. Starlight Glimmer changed the future. Boom! Proof!

Clover the clever was aincent and mystical and besides her friends are along side with her l don't think it is twilight because that was the twilight in the present true it could still be twilight sparkle that was clover the clever it was just her from the past

If that was ture how does Twilight Sparkle bring back the pillars in season 7 and how does she became the ruler of equestria in season 9?

how can that be clover the clover got his memory erased ultiple times and had different colour and he is gone if you see forgotten friendship

‘Theres no orgin of the elements of harmony.’
Me who watched all the episodes before watching this video: no. Just no.

This theory debunked by season 7 finale she wouldn’t need to go back cause her idol Star Swirl came back in the finale also your theory can’t work cause if that was Twilight back in time as clover the clever who made the friendship “soup” then that would make a new grandfather time paradox(search it up) then... who would start friendship before it started... it would break the order of time and conflict with inter dimensional magic (that is unless you’re pinkie or Discord) so according to the paradox it would be impossible

They made the play for hearts warming eve BEFORE twilight got her wings there for she wouldn’t of ever gone as an alicorn

What if the cave where the tree of harmony is the same one as in the flashbacks

Clover the clever was WAYYY before equestria was found

what if the cave the tree is in is the cave that made the friendship fire

Oh my god the jumpscare at the end...😓😰

Clover the clever creates soon becomes the thing that powers up all the crystal ponies

twighlight is clover the clever that makes sense

Brony notion sadly you are wrong bc the elements came from the pillars seeds which bloomed into the tree of harmomy

Wasn't it a play not a flashback, and the main six were just part of the play?

Clover the clever is just a clever reprechaun ,nothing to worry about that past

Problume. In the equestria girls season 1 5 part special most likelly forgotten, its mentioned clover the clever is a boy. Twilight is a girl.

My Brain: It's ten PM, sleep! Me: ONE MORE THEORY

Am I the only one who doesn’t get why the elements of harmony were shaped like balls in the first two episodes but were gems on the tree? Someone please explain

Such a long time the fire was turning to stone so when it turned into stone The elements of harmony appear

Maybe Twilight had a second birth in the future

Clover kept her frienamies warm and cozyyyyyy
🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤even though they hated each other and they would never suffer for each other.🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤

What if clover the clever was twilights first life but twilight does not remember the first life and the twilight we know now just acts clover the clever I think it’s a cowincidentce

It doesn't really work because she had never had met starswirl and the flashbacks were not flashbacks they were a play

The tree of harmony was made by the friendship fire

What if twilight is the reincarnation of Clover thr clever and the others are also reincarnation

it was a hearthswarming eve (or whatever) play. It was a play.

The pillars created the elements and clover the clever isn't twilight

Juuuust saying if you want answers about the origins of the elements of harmony, you should watch the last two episodes of what I think is season 7? I won't spoil anything but it tells some backstory about the elements and their origin which proves this theory wrong

I think Clover the Clever is just a pupil of starswirl

I think the flash backs were the show because they were In a play remember?but this is way more into detail lol XD

If twilight sparkle was clover the clever and she started fire of frienship the fire will be splited in seven parts and the seventh element will be the tree of harmony and the past mane six have created the tree of harmony with the seventh element

But if this is true than why didn't she now anything about the memory stone ???

What if the tree came from the fire

That way the elements came from the tree and from the fire

sorry I really like that theory buy when clover the Clever sits on her back there no wings but I really like the theory, 19:3

The six pony in the story could be the Marine 6 ancestors

it wasn't a flashback it was a play you don't even have to wait till season 7 for that

I feel this video needs another look through and theory

that is NOT a flashback! I think it has been clearly given!

Needs to be a fan fic

Wait wait wait how was it only a play if The friendship fire randomly jetted out of twilight Horn that can’t just randomly just randomly happen It had to be a flashback

those weren’t flash backs. It was a play that the mane six starred in.

Me : getting triggered when he keeps putting pegagsus wings on an alicorn
Also Pegasus wings and alicorn wings are different

What if the friendship fire CREATED OR BECAME THE TREE OF HARMONY

The “flashback” was just the play tho

I think Clover the Clever was a old version of twilight sparkle and I think Twilight sparkle is a reborn version of Clover the Clever

your theory got debunked recently. infact, in the latest episode. starswirl created the elements.

I wanna know what the real Commander Hurricane, Private Prance, Chancellor Pudding head, Smart Cookie, Princess Platinum, and Clover the Clever looked like

But when windigos were there and the tree of harmony would exist then i think that it would have stopped The windigos? Then the elements Of harmony formed with the tree of harmony from friendshipfire that Clover The Clever (A.K.A Twilight) created!

it can't be true because at equestria girls forgotten friendship when twilight told sunset that clover the clever had gone after a sourcer

I Love DOKTOR WHO!!!! 😍😍😍 It's my favourite series

Hello brony notion it's me again I hope you noticed that clover the clever was not twilight sparkle.
Remember: mlpeq the series (most likely to be forgotten) part 3 I think.

What if the fire created the tree that created the elements that united the main six

What about pinkie pie?she goes to different dimensions.
Why wasn't twilight told that she was clover the. Clever

W-wait the play was a flash back? I thought it was just the play! Uhhh, I got it wrong I guess

The reason they look just like the Mane 6 is because they were rehearsing a play and the Mane 6 were acting

These videos are timeless

What if twilight is a reincarnation of clover the clever

First of all it was a PLAY and not a FLASHBACK and second of all the elements were created by the tree of harmony which was planted by the pillars

In the EQ movie Forgotten Frienship we see a drawing about Clover the Clever and she has orange tail and yellow body, so this is disproven now. I'm just saying it because it's a detail that's easy to miss. I know that movie wasn't around in 2014

The elements are planted by star swirl and the pillars

Man this is old. I mean look at him! He looks so, so, odd!

The fire of friendship became the tree of harmony

It was a play of course Clover the clever wasp-like Twilight

Hahahahahah

The reason the flashback scenes looked like the main 6 is because the main 6 were acting out the parts of those characters!

Wait in friendship forgotten, Twilight described Clover as a "he"

But weren't the "flashbacks actually the mane six doing a play?

basically i was doing a speedpaint while watching, the vid ended, i had an inkling of the angel being there, but then i looked and nearly screamed. this is why i don't watch doctor who.....
EVEN THE MINECRAFT MOD VERSION SCARES ME!

Also the makers of the show probably don't plan out these details.

The weeping Angel got me,

How dare you

By the way the pilers and starswirl made the tree so no that wont work for the fact that she made the elements

Could clover the clever be twilight grandfather!? 🤔 call me dumb but I think this!

my thought is that the fire created the seed for the tree of harmoney

Dude. They weren't flashbacks. They were putting on a play

I don't think that Clover the clever is Twilight Sparkle maybe it could be her great great great great great great great great a lot more grades grandma and that's why they have the same look when they do their magic

She doesn't even know how time travel! Yeah she copies starlight's spell because she saw how to do it

Or... maybe the ponies were just making the PLAY and they were using familiar ponies instead of suddenly giving out new characters



This is a 4+ show after all





No hate but still

I'm laughing because this used to make so much sense.

It's not a flashback they were the characters because they had a play. Next time you do a theory watch the full episodes.

The whole thing about the ponies being the mane six was because it was a theatre play, right?

Noo way Twilight sparkle said that she wanted to meet star swerl and in reforming starlight glimmer she said that even star swerl could travel a week ago.... But the scroll was destroyed so Twilight cannot go to past ..... Plus it was a play pls consider my comment

So I went here because I was like "hmm..." But then I learned about The Space-Time contuum

They look similar because 1 it's a cartoon 2 weren't they thrones telling the story? Or I might be mistaken because I haven't watched it in-a long time

MAYBE THEY WERE IN THE CAVE WHERE THE TREE OF HARMANOY WAS BORN AND THEN BOOOM THE ELEMENTS OF HARANOY GOT LINK BY SIMALAR MAGIC WHEN THE TREE GREW UP and that's my idea

Boy- I- they acted it out-

That was Twilights past life

It was a play, not a flashback.

Me after his opening line:

ughhhhhhhh my head is gonna hurt after this

I don't know if she went back time it will upset the belance because if her friends die she will upset the belace so it will be no belace the tree of harmony made the element and the pillars planted the tree of harmony and twilight and her friends are contented

One thing Star Swirl created the elements

Obscure comics have actually the real characters

What if... The fire of friendship created the tree of harmony?

What if the friendship fire was the first cutie mark

Clover the clever isnt twilight sparkall beacuse clover the clever was full grown but in canterlot twillight was a filly when she got her cutie mark

No its not. Starswirl and the pillars planted the tree of harmony and the elements

Watch starswils and the pillars said that in season 7 https://youtu.be/vjnswjE7PRM

And they imagoned the reality because the background was made up of cardboard

This was a solid theory till the pillars appeared

Stingyian is clover the clever see in forgotten friendship you see the scroll is a grey and blue hair stallion

Wait....wasn't it a play? Or did you just break my mind?

I think Chloe the clever is twilights grandma

What if the elements is from the tree of harmony i mean like they do fit in the tree if harmony easaly im not talking about magic im talking about real life logic

In the new eg/pony series Clover the Clever was declared a boy. There is no hate!

Maybe... deep breath if the tree of harmony was made by the flame of frienship thingie it would make sens :)

How could the friendship fire make the elements the pillars planted it way after the reunion of the tribes if u r saying the spirit of the elements u will be kind of correct but if u r saying the physical elements I don’t think so

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Something some people wont get

Dude, it was a PLAY and the Mane 6 were just playing characters! They weren't flashbacks.

was that small clip from good omens? It was only on for a moment but it looked like Crowley and Azirefel. Was it?

did anyone else freak out when the jumpscare happened?

I'm pretty sure the flashbacks are just the play.

In the movie forgotten friendship it was revealed that Clover the Clever is a dude

I agree that this is a posability but the birth of the elements dosent make sence beacause starswirl and his freinds were the one who made the elements

Season 7 and the Legends Arc: Hold my milkshake.

Clover the clever is a male Twilight and the mane 6 were actually acting that is why the past ponies looked exactly like the mane 6 .....!!!!!!

This sounds like what Jayfeather did in Warrior cats

I LOVE DOCTOR WHO!!!

Smart Cookie was actually Applejack

Yes she is!

Your theory might be wrong because in season 8 or 9 Twilight shows her class Chancellor puddinghead if I'm spelling it right or saying the name cracked anyway the picture did not look like Pinkie Pie so this might just crash your theore. Wait I just realized you were only talking about Twilight not the other two... Why do I have to edit this comment so many times

That was not a flashback it was a play.

why would she hide her name tho? they wouldn't be able to recognize her because she wasn't born yet so why not use her real name?

What if the magical frendship hart was the seed for the tree of harmony

What if twilights cutie mark was the element of harmony not the other way around

Was it only me who actually thought the “flashback” was ACTED IN A THEATRE?




seriously guys it’s obvious...

celestia new there cutie marks its just a symbol that they are special ones or the mane six

Oh gosh thinking about time hurts!

Every single My Little Pony main character is one of the ones that are from the like like like twilight being clever clever yeah putting had one should be pinky pie which I am is quite right that make sense that’s why because it’s pink it’s fine you can probably tell that

Star swirl and the pillars planted a seed to make the elements

what show has Twilight going back in time? BTW, she looks like a pirate.

Clover was a white unicorn with green messy mane but with purple eyes

I thought it’s just a play bit a flashback lol

Sorry for piling another on a bombardment of these comments, but, In this episode, these weren't flashbacks, the mane six were acting in a play.

I am on season 7 and she dose not go to the past she brings star swirl out of limbow (the place betwean worlds) and then she sjowed him the magic of friendship.

This story was in season 2 Twilight wasn't a princess

😒It wasn’t a flashback, it was a play😒

Nope. I don’t like causal loops. I’m just sticking with my original theory, which is that IT’S A FREAKING PLAY

OMG that is so crazy 😱

the end scared me! :(

I’d always just thought the flashback was the play

Does this guy love my little pony also in season 7 twilight's idol created the elements

In the heart warming tail starlight was snowfall frost

7 season pretty much crushes your theories...

All of your videos makes sense.

But that show was the main 6 doing a play......
DEBUNKED

They were doing a play so obviously they look alike😹

This was a cool idea back in the day.

It was a play in season 2 episode 11 Hearth’s warming eve

Where did the seed come from for the tree

You should Start putting dr whooves in your doctor who references