Amidst the garbage of the past year, EmpLemon is here to bring joy in genuinely great content


The problem with society is the fact that we don't teach people about the evil, or the good, they're capable of doing.

@Doctor Jones how am I showing ignorance? I feel like my comments were reasonable

@preston noneya Plenty of messed up people have sprang forth under Communism and Socialism. No system can truly squeeze out bad people

@Simon Di Tomasso <br>So much ignorance in one comment it's making my head spin.  And how the actual fuck did my comment instantly jump to politics??  It has nothing to do with politics

@Simon Di Tomasso
So much ignorance in one comment it's making my head spin.  And how the actual fuck did my comment instantly jump to politics??  It has nothing to do with politics

@Alexander Edinger yes, social democracies like in Canada where I live is in my opinion the closest thing to the greatest system, but then again, we still face the problems of capitalism, but in smaller proportions. You’re comment was also smart (:

Capitalism creates so many problems it is almost impossible to list them all, inequalities, pollution, aristocracy, individualism, etc. we need to revise capitalism because it also has done a lot of good things like generally improve living conditions. Capitalism isn’t inherently bad. It’s just that billionaires should not exist, no one “deserves” to have this much more money because no, they don’t work 100 000 times harder than a mcdeez employee (:

@Alexander Edinger don't worry about him, he probably thinks communism is good

nah the problem is capitalism, cool comment tho


Attack on titan is a great example of this <b>phenomena</b>

Attack on titan is a great example of this *phenomena*


the first person who is talking sounds like a person that has a channel called "carflo" did I miss something or am I going crazy?


i have always thought villains much more cool than the hero, and i find myself rooting for the villains much more often, because their plans for the world are often much more interesting that the heroes, as the only things that happens when the hero wins is everyone is happy and world peace, witch is uninteresting, but villains can have many different goals.


Just finished the Aqua Teen Hunger Force Show, (or as the song from your intro, The Aqua TV Show Show)


English: Yin, Yang<br>German: Jing, Jang


I just want to mention that it's really clever and appreciated to play a chiptune version of Sympathy For The Devil by The Rolling Stones over the definition of evil. Bravo my man. You got good taste.


THE ONLY VILLAIN IS MF DOOM, THE ILLEST VILLAIN! REST IN PEACE DANIEL DUMILE


music at 2:30??? i think its from a mario game


I love the irony that Emp features Nerd City’s Devil as a way of representing pure evil, but Nerd City’s Devil is one of the most likeable portrayals of the Devil that I’ve ever seen.


i fear no evil person

but that evil person she scares me

MRS ROBINSON


Nope . No sympathy for villains .<br>Not gonna show it .

Nope . No sympathy for villains .
Not gonna show it .


Wow did you get the Satan costume at the shop Halloween in January? Is this a crossover episode?


idk I hated watching the joker murder scenes. it was in no way cathartic to me, but I see what you guys mean


The Hero of a particular folklore represents the ideals of that society.
A population who is alienated by that society's ideals will therefore identify with The Villain.

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@Scientist Walter No, Israel was the real enemy all along.

Alternatively, the same happens when the values of the hero run contrary to those of the population.

@meme minimalism which is largely influenced by societal ideals and norms.

The values of a hero are the values that their creator likes and the values of a villain are the values that their creator dislikes.

@Adriana FamilyMember what are they doing here


1:36 why is there a Harry Potter boog among some religious books?


Hmm, Evil just isnt that black and white in human psychology.


Light trying to explain why hes actually the good guy to the task force


I was watching gypsy crusader how tf did i get here


4:23 whats that Song called, can't find it


Should've talked, also, about Ozymandians. Now there's a person who really pushes both the idea of a hero and villain at the same time.

@W Spann That's the poem that inspired the name of the Breaking Bad episode, as well as the Watchmen character.

I might be an idiot too, I thought you were talking about the Ozymandias that Percy Bysshe Shelley wrote a poem about

@Caio Miguel Most people only know of the name from breaking bad lmao, but yes. Watchmen is such a great story,

In the same way that Rorschach is a great, because complex, hero. Then again, all of Watchmen is about how actual human heroes would have to be flawed, because human.

Don't worry, some people got you

@Maximilian Scheinfeld breaking bad's best episode


The thing about war is, it only works if both sides believe they’re the good guys


I remember watching your YTPs like a decade ago and now you present one of the best storytelling breakdowns I've ever seen.

You're a legend.


I always loved villains , they at least had more to justify their means and always were better written... everyone wants to be the hero , but just for glory? I never bought that or for helpin mankind or whatever... even Disney has awesome villains that had purpouse (Hades and Scar and Ursula to name a few) They were so much more interesting !


What a great video. Easily the best ever! Great job man, really good job!


I just realized that this is the guy who made renowned ytps who's now making videos questioning the ideals of our society via the means of examining pieces of media.

This is the largest genre change in the history of genre changes.


I love how you included so much good video game music and described the point you were trying to make perfectly. Amazing.


I have always had sympathy for villains. Even as a child I couldn't help but empathize and resonate with them. A lot of the times we use tactics we developed to protect ourselves as children and don't recognize that we are still navigating life with those tactics. I've always felt it more intriguing to understand WHY they did it, as opposed to them doing it. Most of the time, we only see the blowup, not the build up.


An incredible video. Altogether, very enjoyable.


if villians are truly evil to some people, how come we head canon on into antiheros then? is it just because we show  the world that nobody is perfect?


You know the movie is good when the main stream media hates it


Love the fact you put in an 8bit Sympathy For The Devil in the first 2 minutes


I have Sympathy for Deavy Jones. He just wanted love and his heart got broken. Just because he is against the main characters doesn't make him a bad guy.

True, he was greatly betrayed by someone he love. can't blame him.


hey psst! @EmpLemon! you have the timestamps in the description already, but if you move them to the end of the description then the chapters will magically appear throughout the progress bar. cool feature!


Well done. Probably my favorite of your videos thus far, though the Nascar Revenge video was very well put-together.


this comment section is all jokes but I have to say, what an incredible take on villains. great video 10/10


Bro this was an insanely good video!!! I think you did a wonderful job!!!


Personally, I never really saw Zuko as the villain. That was Admiral Zhao, Azula and Ozai.


Point of view, mood, interpretation, package of who someone is, and other things will propably make me a bad guy in someone else's books, some situations made me think that morality is just a bunch of points of view, "But you punched that classmate, but you provoked that classmate, but you triggered that person, but you looked at someone the funny way" may just be points of view, it could be possible that games too reflect this, i enjoy games like Left4Dead2 and other games with metal music, i can imagine that it does earn me a lot of critique from others, just like everything else i do, exercising may earn me someone else's ire but he doesn't care and does something else they expect to be fully accepted, and then i will propaby too find activities of other people that are innocent in their minds not so innocent.


God, this is like watching 10 videos at once, too much of a roller-coaster ride within each topic..


Holly shit! My film Lit teacher would love this. I love this.<br>What an amazing video essay? 10/10

Holly shit! My film Lit teacher would love this. I love this.
What an amazing video essay? 10/10


Im finally ready, ive been preparing for this day


don't know if you'll see this but this is a legitimately amazing video essay.


This video gets so much better when you realize the background music around one minute is the melody to sympathy for the devil


This is a bit weird when you're an empath since child. I thought everyone included children know about this 👁👄👁💧


actually we are all the hero and the villain in our own bubble of the world in every sense the joker is the good guy he gets put down  and treated like nothing like hes less than human even though our flaws is what makes us human we bridge the huge gap between good and evil out of choice and emotion we may help and old lady cross the street but we will also steal from a gas station for food or to pay rent the joker is the  embodyment of humanity we look down on our own species for having a different life then what we have instead of understanding most humans choose ego


The cross section of this guy’s interests is incredibly cool.


That retro version of Sympathy for the Devil by The Rolling Stones got me going.


my theory is he wrote sympathy for the villain so anyone searching wouldn't have to swim through a thousand "sympathy for the devil" lyric videos and amvs.


Villains are those who do wrong things for the right cause.
People who just do wrong things are just called Psychopath.
or without reason is Serial Killer... Murderer... Ect.


I love the 6bit sympathy for the devil in the background.


Death Note, featuring a villain as the main character, was so well written and directed! Akira would fit perfectly in this vid.


I love the music you chose for Man vs Order


i think the movie "The Thing" is what inspired that one killing animation in among us.

and what i believe to be the start of cosmologically themed murder mysteries.


I loved the sympathy for the devil in the background but an 8-bit version


you my good friend, have earned this subscription.


Didn't spam me with ads or messages begging me to subscribe and turn on notifcations, so I am going to do just that. Amazing video Emplemon. Cant wait to see what else comes in the future. :)


if i gotta be honest, in most movies the villian is my favorite character-


I absolutely love the 8-bit White Room in the background!


I'm not even joking this is the single best video I have never watched on youtube. I have watched more than 50k hours and this is number one.

This isn't even close to his best one. Binge his Never Ever playlist to be completely amazed.


The Joker's fashion is great. I'll say that.

This. I love his style. Especially the classic look, bronze age and Bolland style.


The 8 bit sympathy for the devil in the background kinda got me


i belive that evil is at its core a hole. Something is evil when it fails to meet our definition of good evil is the lack of good or the lack of enough good to constitute as a good person i reccomend watching TheImaginaryAxis he has 2 videos about darkseid that go into this well one of them does the other doesn't


Adrian from Watchmen is so relatable that he actually wins in the end.


That was the best wrap up of a video I’ve ever seen


the music choice for the AI bit was on point


Javier Bardem's voice is deeper than the meaning of life.


That thumbnail will go down as the best one in Internet history


People scorn and ridicule the problems that exist in the world, yet they are unwilling to face the consequences of these problems.<br>Sugar-coating or kicking the problems underneath a bed won't solve them, history has shown us that already...

People scorn and ridicule the problems that exist in the world, yet they are unwilling to face the consequences of these problems.
Sugar-coating or kicking the problems underneath a bed won't solve them, history has shown us that already...


if every one is the hero of their own story, what happens when someone choose to be the villain?


Cant believe you left Megamind out of this smh


Mom told me only the "strong survive". I guess strong evil wins. 🙉


guys i think im catching on that emplemon loves valve games


1:35 harry potter would be the best book on morality honestly


1:56 am ...<br>I love watching videos like this really late in night

1:56 am ...
I love watching videos like this really late in night


This taught me that I have a lot of movies to watch


One name Geoffrey I miss him so much he could have made season 8 great


I think Anton Chiguhr isa modern depiction of Iago with a couple layers of character complexity added.


For Zuko?

it wasn't sympathy...when Season 3 hit it was Simp-athy


Dio Brando is one of my favourite villains


22:50 he really put leafy as the villain lmao


Was zuko a villain.he felt more like a opponent than an antagonist.


That was still the best thumbnail Ive ever seen


Billy Bob Thornton is a great villain in the tv show Fargo.


idk how i found this channel but I'm glad I did


Love this video but what about “Hatred for the hero”


I love how he put in Samurai Jack in there


jokes on you, I've already watched Hello Future Me referencing Zuko in every video!


Bro I can't 18:08 its so serious until this part


every time I watch this I just realize how dumb I am


0:27 this doesnt really make sense because the shadow is not a thing. its just an absence of sunlight. we make it a thing in our mind but its just an ilusion.


I only felt favoritism to villian in assassination class room


1:35
I feel like that harry potter book in the corner is a tease by an atheist


The thing alien: Appears in this video
My mind:
Among us: Allow us to introduce ourselves


Mr Freeze is just another example of sympathy for the villain.


That Mario 64 music got me wishing i was a kid again.. sigh


lemon talking about aliens being evil
me boppin to the portal 2 ending song

*lemon talking about aliens being evil*
me boppin to the portal 2 ending song


this is going to help me with my english essays, thank you.


I got some mad nostalgia from the portal music


Reiner is up there now.. but I guess he isn't a villan.


When you get a video in your recommended so many times you just give in and watch it


eveybody else watching the ww2 documentary:
Confused screaming

eveybody else watching the ww2 documentary:
*Confused screaming*


Love the Left 4 Dead 2 music in here. Also a great video but the L4D music got me.


La casa de papel(money Heist) is also kinda the same as the joker its society vs government and it also got a lot of hate that it would inspire ppl to rob banks and shit eventho its the best série I've ever seen


I'm a bit late but did anyone get a bit nostalgic for portal when he used the ending song theme at 7:35 or just me?


OOOF THAT SUPER MARIO 64 MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND GOT MY NOSTALGIA GOING CRAZY


23:16 worm eating white dot

You can’t unsee it now


why do the timestamps in the description not create chapters in the timeline like usual?


9:13 is... Is that... MOAR GUN??? oh my goodness thank you


Zuko is the best character after appa and uncle Iroh


I just want to say Maleficent was a bad example, that is all.


lmao i love the portal 2 music in the background starting 7:30 haaa


I don't really think it's fair to compare John Wick to Joker. Grisly violence, either over-the-top or realistic, has never kept the public or the critics from praising a movie. I think it was the pop-psych narrative that externally sympathized with this Joker, who resembles the white male school shooter/serial killer a little too closely for America's comfort right now. Looking beyond the artistic quality toward the real life ramifications, that is- no commentary on how good the movie was here.


2:27 india is giga chad for not killing doggos


So what I told you was true from a certain point of view


this is the epitome of

"i was 7, now im 9 and i realize the joker was correct"


22:37 lol Jesus looks like moistcritical waaay too much

White bearded, long black haired man is immediately Mostcritickal


I can’t believe you didn’t mention Catra


Zuko is not the Villian - he is the protagonist


Dude I remember you made the uncredibles


Did anyone else see the Harry Potter book with the religious books🤣


just because your paths are different it doesnt means you're wrong


If only his character wasn't ruined at the ending.


Jesus Joker was a fantastic movie.<br>The movie is about "This is what will happen if we make an actual villain in a fiction story." I hate that the "Upper Media" criticized it becuase it was to violent, the premise of the movie is a very real thing huh.

Jesus Joker was a fantastic movie.
The movie is about "This is what will happen if we make an actual villain in a fiction story." I hate that the "Upper Media" criticized it becuase it was to violent, the premise of the movie is a very real thing huh.

@Rocky Croods I am doing no such thing. I never claimed to be a batman fan but he is by far the best DC has to over with green lantern being second. <br>BATMAN DOES NOT BELIVE HE IS A GOOD PERSON! he thinks he is a necessary evil. It is that premise that is a cornerstone of his character. Almost as important as having dead parents.

@Rocky Croods I am doing no such thing. I never claimed to be a batman fan but he is by far the best DC has to over with green lantern being second.
BATMAN DOES NOT BELIVE HE IS A GOOD PERSON! he thinks he is a necessary evil. It is that premise that is a cornerstone of his character. Almost as important as having dead parents.

@Rocky Croods well yes I hate superman, hes an anemic crybaby the moment a glowing green rock comes on screen but that has little to do with the character. No my favorite superman appearances are when he does turn evil, makes more sence considering the scope of his powers. What have you even read?

Who the fuck from Pulp Fiction would you describe as morally good? What is your malfunction?
Every character in that movie is self serving and selfish. Jules only tries to change his ways at the end. We dont know if he ever really became a good man.

@Rocky Croods never thought that. No one in Pulp Fiction is good. You just seem to have problems grasping core concepts.

@Rocky Croods it's quite literally the point of the killing joke.

@Tom Ffrench  If you want a simple to understand breakdown of Batman and Joker's relationship, then Lego Batman explores the dynamic perfectly. The reason Joker is such a perfect foil for Batman is because they are both very broken people who rise above the limitations of their respective madness, and build themselves into working models that both transcend the sum of their broken parts to become something greater than those around them. And if you don't get that, then you need to pay more attention.,

@Rocky Croods Give your head a shake, Joker and Batman are just two sides of the same coin. They share the same lack of empathy, the same ruthlessness, the same intellectual magnitude, the same love of violence, the same difficulty relating to others, the same lack of emotion. Batman thinks he's different to Joker, but the only real difference is that Batman doesn't kill people. (And he even fails at that sometimes) In TDK, when Joker says "You complete me", it really hits a nerve with Batman because he knows its the truth, and that in some existential way, Joker completes him too.

@Rocky Croods Ah but I said many. Not majority, not percentage. "Many people" could be as much as 100,000 individuals.

It just felt like the musical Assassins with a batman coat of paint on it.

I didn't know it was causing a stir at all.  I heard about it after, and boy, for good reason.

@Tom Ffrench batman admits that hes closer to joker than most people think and that's why hes so adamant about not killing. He feels as though the moment he crosses that line he and Joker will be no different than one another.

@No Diggity oh you’re one of those people. Batman is nowhere close to the Joker. That’s the whole point of the Joker, and why he’s a great villain

@N G Many people are psychopaths. After all, lack of empathy isn't uncommon.

@N G Psychopaths aren't actually evil though, they're just broken. Batman has just as many psychopathic traits as Joker, if not even more.

I felt like the movie should not be about joker though because joker is an actual psychopath.

The media must've been steaming mad in 2019 when Joker didn't cause a single violence


If you don't mind me, I'm just going to say evil like mermaidman every single time you say evil


I love how EmpLemon went from making great YTPs, to legendary documentaries. You already had greatness, and now, you have achieved perfection


fuck whats the name of the song  that came on when he introduced zuko it slaps


Evil is subjective and you are a product of your surroundings. One character that truly helped me to understand that, was Obito.

Also madaras speech to obito, pretty much sums up the whole ying and yang concept.


This was a good video. But Zuko was never the villain, he was an antagonist. An abuse victim who has a recovery arc.


Germany, India, Austria, Philippines, Taiwan: do not hurt the doggo


In most cases the "villain" is more important than the "hero".


Obito.

That’s it’s. That’s all i have to say.


Me: ok let's take a break from tf2 videos
This channel: multiple TF2 references
WELP. (Amazing video by the way, I'm already in love with your content)


glad i watched this, really helped me sort out my thoughts about villains and the thought of evil. thank you for enlightening me on this subject


People: JOKER WILL CAUSE SHOOTINGS<br>frozen 2: Hold my hatchet.

People: JOKER WILL CAUSE SHOOTINGS
frozen 2: Hold my hatchet.

@Shuaib Mohammed Happened everywhere lol.

@Tom Portengen no it happened in Norway :)

Wait someone got hatcheted because of Frozen 2?? And I'm missing a joke? can someone please explain.

Yeah, they got that wrong. <br>"Joker will cause shootings"  . .. ...... .   . Batman: "Hold my beer"

Yeah, they got that wrong.
"Joker will cause shootings"  . .. ...... .   . Batman: "Hold my beer"


I don't agree that a tornado is malicious devastating definitely, but malice implies intent, intent is from choice, without choice it's just natural. I don't think that tornadoes have spite(Not being a smart-ass; consciousness is undefined)for humans or the earth it tears up it just does because that's what a tornado do.


missed opportunity to have “sympathy for the devil” as the credits theme

It plays during the satan scene apparently

Yeah..... I think this one is a bit too expensive to license...


For a second. I thought it was brandon rogers.


2:28 actually yes. Everyone remembers Maleficent. The Walt disney version of her is always a staple on how to be basically evil and intriguing at the same time.


Spoilers for Naruto Shippuden:

I think Obito is the best villian. He truly wanted to make everyone escape the shinobi world that killed so many people. Of course he killed a lot of people too but still-


You wouldnt be good if you werent bad you will not be bad if you werent good everyone changes in a cycle


Glad to see the short nod to the Illest Villain. Rest in Peace, all caps when you spell the mans name.


The best of people are capable of the greatest atrocities. I was just having a conversation the other day about how inherently there is no such thing as good and evil, it is all subjective. The most vile person you know is still capable of acts of kindness and the kindest person is still capable of violence. At our core we are nothing more than slightly more advanced apes and thus we are susceptible to the same bouts of violent and irrational behavior. No amount of lofty ideals will make us above this behavior. The only recourse is to understand that it is a fundamental part of you and accept it.

I tend to follow the rule that: everyone is capable of evil, and those who think they are not, even more so.


sympathy for the devil in the background , just sublime


"Is it malicious when a mid western twister devastates a home?"
I often think about how amazing it is that when we think of our loved ones getting killed by a person, it's easy to become resentful, hateful, and want a desire for revenge, but the moment we realize that it was a storm, all feelings of vengeance towards something gets lost; you cannot murder a storm, so getting angry is useless.
Now if a film made a plot where the murderer was a personification of mother nature herself, it would be an interesting way of approaching death.

@JollyJuice then let's write a film about a murder mystery horror  with a murderer being a personification of nature herself

@Sahil Hossain Yes. Like I said before, nature cannot be punished like a human being can. It cannot be held accountable for it's actions <i>unlike a human can.</i>

@Sahil Hossain Yes. Like I said before, nature cannot be punished like a human being can. It cannot be held accountable for it's actions _unlike a human can._

What if that said person who murdered your loved ones became an force of nature

@Sahil Hossain sorry for my english and intromission but a person is not a storm, a person is not a fire who moves killing everything becouse is a phenomenom, if they are nature why i would be killing him becouse his actions? I would be consequence, the result of a bad choice, nature itself  (also sorry if a misudestand something)

demon slayer's villain poses a question like this

@JollyJuice Maybe they're too arrogant and committed a sin of vanity or they didn't realize that they have abused their power out of selfish means. So why did you say that I thought mother nature abused her own power but couldn't do anything but forgive is it really that paradoxical for anyone to discuss?

@Sahil Hossain And that justifies their actions in taking away someone I care about? Am I supposed to just forgive them because they had a bad upbringing that lead them to their actions?

@JollyJuice maybe it was a shitty life they had? Followed up by an shitty afterlife?

@Sahil Hossain Depends on their level of conscienceless. If it's proven that they committed their act in a blacked out state, <i>maybe</i> i can forgive them. There still leaves the whatever lead to them getting to that state which could have been a result of their own poor actions (i.e. willingly taking a drug)

@Sahil Hossain Depends on their level of conscienceless. If it's proven that they committed their act in a blacked out state, _maybe_ i can forgive them. There still leaves the whatever lead to them getting to that state which could have been a result of their own poor actions (i.e. willingly taking a drug)

@JollyJuice what if the person you said was actually not conscience?

@Sahil Hossain A storm does not choose to destroy a town or take away lives. As a storm, it does so as a consequence of us existing in it's path. Unlike a storm, a person is a conscience  being who, though their own will or as a consequence of their past choices, takes away the lives of others. I cannot punish a storm for it cannot see what it has done wrong, but I can punish a person because they know what they did.

I cannot be expected to just let a killer go free and rationalize them as just a force of nature. I will take action against them if they so choose to take away someone close to me.

@Sahil Hossain A storm does not choose to destroy a town or take away lives. As a storm, it does so as a consequence of us existing in it's path. Unlike a storm, a person is a conscience  being who, though their own will or as a consequence of their past choices, takes away the lives of others. I cannot punish a storm for it cannot see what it has done wrong, but I can punish a person because they know what they did.

I cannot be expected to just let a killer go free and rationalize them as just a force of nature. I _will_ take action against them if they so choose to take away someone close to me.

But what if the same person who had a choice in matter is the personification of the Storm

Seeing to it that the one who took your loved ones away from you gets whats coming to him is arguably a crucial step to closure. I can't be mad at a storm, but I can be mad at a person who had a choice in matter and can be punished for those choices.


Yin and yang is basically newton's third law.


Incredible video. Morality is a result of one's circumstances and the Joker shows us how a "villain" is made. In reality, the Joker is just a hero of his time only to live long enough to see himself become the villain.


All the Batman villains have better backstories than Batman


The show known as Gotham may be super goofy but it has some of the most interesting villains out there

@Hunter The Badger best portrayals of the penguin, riddler, Alfred, the crime families, zsasz, Harvey bullock and the best live action versions of mister freeze, Hugo strange, firefly and cat woman


The antihero archetype is always more relatable... Nobody is that flawless in real life like the hero...


Funny how I was dreaming about Avatar last night and this comes up, thanks for another good video emp!

@The Blancmange no I think I just made fun of Katara for not being able to firebend or something it was weird


Whats the movie at 7:12? Ive forgotten but remember that scene


"But, what exactly is evil?" Pshh... We all know that evil stands for Every Villain Is Lemons. Thanks Anchor fish!


I was honestly waiting for you to say something about the film Megamind, I think its a perfect example of showing how the "villan" and "hero" have to coexist in a way, balencing one another out. Aswell as showing an overlap between the bad guy and the protagonist in a character


Satan is not good bro. Don't try to disprove.


Zuko is one of the best character arcs I think I've ever seen.


At this rate we’re going to get EmpLemon talking about the connection between dementia and existential nihilism with PvZ OST in the background


“Can’t always fight nature... John, we can’t always fight change, we can’t fight gravity”...

“Our time has passed”


As someone who has villains as some of his favorite fictional characters, I can say I definitely enjoyed this video.


"its no doubt zuko suffers more than most of the characters in the series"

cabbage man has joined the chat

"its no doubt zuko suffers more than most of the characters in the series"

*cabbage man has joined the chat*

@yoobster ur the one getting triggered she just said “opinions are different”

@The Main Character like hell, everyone have different taste. Now go play Fortnite


One terrifying thing about real life villains is they often rationalize their evils by inverting their role, viewing themselves as the good guys. This is how we get all these dictators who rise to power by promising all kinds of nice things to everyone and then breaking everything and murdering everyone.

The mind is fragile. You must believe you're on the good side by any means necessary or else it'll break you if done too much or too severe. Take an example of Spec Ops: The Line. Everyone of us is evil by nature whether past or future, of course, we can try and rationalize it, but, it's undeniable yet we must deny it with terms of hope. Villains just put a magnifying glass on this issue of the flaws & imperfections of the human condition & how easy it is to fall from the light into darkness. Same thing with heroes. That's the one key difference is just in terms of different forms of denial that corresponds to their existing moral compass. It's never simply good & evil.

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Well, it’s kinda hard to maintain a utopia if there’s a lot of dissenters. How dare these ingrates not want to be a part of my paradise!?


i love syndrome's statement: "when everyone is super, no one will be."<br>i think it is in reference to his supposed plans for a more "tech-based" age of heroism, where he uses his resources to manufacture weapons and gadgets anyone could get for their own use (good or evil) with the "scripted" fight against the omnidroid being his selling point to convince people heroes need to return, but also be the poster boy as he receives praise and adoration for saving the day when the military (the only alternative to heroes) can't. and when "everyone" has cool gadgets and weapons he makes, it will either become the new norm of the world, or the new "arms race" will trigger what the cold war was feared to result in.

i love syndrome's statement: "when everyone is super, no one will be."
i think it is in reference to his supposed plans for a more "tech-based" age of heroism, where he uses his resources to manufacture weapons and gadgets anyone could get for their own use (good or evil) with the "scripted" fight against the omnidroid being his selling point to convince people heroes need to return, but also be the poster boy as he receives praise and adoration for saving the day when the military (the only alternative to heroes) can't. and when "everyone" has cool gadgets and weapons he makes, it will either become the new norm of the world, or the new "arms race" will trigger what the cold war was feared to result in.

I thought Syndrome was from Mega Mind lol


ah yes i agreed harry potter is a religion 1:35


I cried while watching joker :( it was such a masterpiece


In life we like to romanticize the good and bad as a black and white thing, but that isn’t true


Man vs Machines. So machines are product of humans. if the machines goes rogue and might want to destroy humans. that means when we find god or our creater, we might destroy it. thats why our creator never shows up :p


17:00 Megamind would fall under this too. It's amazingly subversive.


7:45 Titans in AoT is probably the best one I've seen.


1:44 you're fucking wrong. morality existed before religion and it will exist long after.


I knew this video was dumb from the start. I mean he doesn’t even show dr doofenshmertz


when i didn't see avatar, i thought everyone wasn't telling the exact truth about how great zuko's character arc is. then i watched it, and i can say with confidence, zuko is the best character in the show


Y'know, I think it would be interesting if the writers ever explained how Chigurh's code, or this thinking process worked.


All evil comes from ego, right? So if you destroy someone else to gain your own, that's true villainy. But true heroism is to destroy your own to give someone else.


I remember this quote from Mission Impossible 3, on the very first scene : "Every search for a hero begins with what every hero needs. A villain."


The villain is always the protagonist in his side of the story.
A quote from somewhere.
Fifth dimensional thinking from a 5+ dimensional mind/mentality.


This video, I loved it, The depth to which you have explored this topic, 👏👏👏, you deserve 10M subs

I wonder if I would ever teach my kids, good and evil as it is taught conventionally. I will give them a chance to see the gray areas for themselves, asap.
For in my life I was delusional, I wanted to believe it was black and white, until I was 15, but then it had to change, reality is much more complex and grey and the sooner you realize this the better.


Zuko has suffered some seriously tragic stuff, but I don’t think it comes quite to what Aang suffered. Zuko still has his Uncle and the friends and few family who stuck by his side. Aang is shoved with a stupidly huge destiny, gets scared and leaves, then finds out his actions not only lead to the destruction of his people but that literally almost Every. Single. Person. He ever knew and loved is dead, along with the animals he knew, PLUS his actions led to the suffering and deaths of who knows how many, plus there’s the incredible amount of trials and tribulations he had to go through to finally defeat Ozai and free the world from the Fire Nation. Plus, he has to watch as his culture and people’s history is wrecked and forgotten, with him being the sole carrier of however much he learned in his 12 years. That’s a crap ton for an adult, can’t even imagine a Teen who’s already going through stuff.

@catsinwonderland74 That’s fair. But Aang also has to deal with the guilt of basically destroying his whole culture

That's one of the best hot takes I've heard in a while. But you could still argue that he has Katara and Sokka by his side.<br>Nonetheless I still see where you're coming from (my standpoint in this argument is neutral)

That's one of the best hot takes I've heard in a while. But you could still argue that he has Katara and Sokka by his side.
Nonetheless I still see where you're coming from (my standpoint in this argument is neutral)


The amount of editing this man uses is just so great


I've stopped watching movies with villains with friends years ago cuz i couldn't put into words why the villain wasn't necessarily evil, but now I can just send them this video<br>Thank you.

I've stopped watching movies with villains with friends years ago cuz i couldn't put into words why the villain wasn't necessarily evil, but now I can just send them this video
Thank you.


I honestly can't express how inciteful this video is to me; being someone who one day hopes to write amazing stories


Hearing a firefighter could possibly start a fire just to put it out to feel like a hero who saves the day is nuts


What makes Fletcher such a great antagonist to Neeman is that, in the end, it was Neeman’s rebellion of Fletcher that made Fletcher respect him. During the final scene Neeman could’ve gotten up and left, but instead Neeman decides that he wants to rebel against Fletcher and plays Whiplash to spite Fletcher. It is only in that moment does Fletcher finally respect Neeman. The point stands that he does turn into Fletcher, I’m not contesting that, but the transformation in to Fletcher comes with the rebellion of Fletcher, who Neeman has idolized for the entire movie.


It's very easy for society to turn someone into a villain.  Look at Gypsy Crusader.


The fact that you don't have 1 million subs yet makes me sad. Keep up the grind your fucking awesome.


I do enjoy genuinely evil villains. And I also enjoy sympathetic villains as well.


3:11 I really never was on your side
9:02 Hunu hunnu hu!
9:12 and if that don't work, use more gun
9:39 Professionals, have STANDARTS


I really like the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes (a prequel to the hunger games, if anyone is wondering), because you see how snow became the person he is, and he doesn't act "bad", but like many would do


Evil, at the root of all definitions, is causing unnecessary suffering for others, either for the perpetrator's profit or entertainment.  This covers the slightest theft all the way up to mass murder.  It's simple and straightforward.  The root of all evil is just as plain and simple: selfishness.  ALL evil committed is/was/has been done for someone's selfish motives.  It's not hard.  It's firm and logical.


Handsome Jack stands out to me as one of the best Villians and kinda falls into a couple of your categories listed


<b>"Evil is in the eye of the beholder"</b>


1:17 i full heatedly disagree even as an adult i still think heroes are cool.

This video wasn't saying heroes were trash, just that villains that were deeper than one dimension were better, and why people think they are.


I don't really agree with your take on Syndrome. I think it's patently inaccurate to say that he was neglected when in reality, it was his own selfish, stubborn insistence on becoming Mr. Incredibles sidekick that sends him down that path.<br>I'm not sure that it changes the premise of the video. I just think it's worth noting.

I don't really agree with your take on Syndrome. I think it's patently inaccurate to say that he was neglected when in reality, it was his own selfish, stubborn insistence on becoming Mr. Incredibles sidekick that sends him down that path.
I'm not sure that it changes the premise of the video. I just think it's worth noting.


I keep repeating the Zuko clip. I need an analysis video on him with the same energy.


My favorite video by you used to be the Dale Earnhardt one, but now I think it might be this one. Great vid


Everything with the thing in it i like, that movie made me realize what i fear the most,  great philosophy btw.


In retrospect it's true Zuko is the most memorable character from Avatar, while Aang is so easy to forget because he's just the protagonist and has really no particular flaws or really any personality other than "I'm the goofy hero".


Yin and Yang have lots of meanings in Chinese. 陰(yin) means cloud and 陽 (yang) means sun. But they can also be mean positive or negative, masculine or feminine, light and dark.


Media: Joker might lead to more violent, civil unrest.
Internet: That's nonsense.
2020: So anyway, I started blasting...


8:30 nice job bringing the welcome to the machine album made by PInk Floyd , especially when youre talking about machines , nice


No, you complete me

That makes so much sense now


This video is great but can we appreciate the soundtrack didnt know the rolling stones would fit so well in retro


This is one of the reasons why a lot of marvel fans love loki. Because he always has a glimmer of good within him that fans are hoping can resurface.


In real life there is no redemption story, different from fiction.


If you can't sympathize for a villain, you likely are one.


Since I was a kid I have always liked more the villains, at that moment it was because they had cool music and they looked cool, as I grew up I ended liking them even more because of their goals and motivations, slowly started to identify more as one, then I started liking the way they help/force the heroes to grow and be better. I just love villains

I love it even more when they turn to the good side


Just want you to know I didn't hesitate to like your video as soon as you transitioned from Zuko to The Thing, masterful contrast.


1:35 ah yes my religion is Harry Potter and the philosophers stone


Whiplash has been my favorite movie for over 12 years

@Shromp literally just watched it and it's fucking amazing

I’ve never watched it, but the part of the video always makes me sad because fletcher takes the kid and deconstructed him to his basic counterparts just to play them drums real well, he sacrifices so much throughout what little screen time he had in this video just to impress fletcher and it makes me sad every time because fletcher should have been a kinder person. It doesn’t matter if your student isn’t at your standard, acknowledge what they do well and work on the things they don’t. If they keep a beat really nicely, compliment them but don’t just make them feel awful about it

Wait, it released in 2014... THERE ARE TIME TRAVELERS HERE JIMMY!


Ive always like the idea of being a sith lord


Never thought I'd hear Obi Wan speaking over Lethal Lava Land, but I'm down 😂


"Does anyone really remember Maleficient?"<br>Um, yes. Everyone.

"Does anyone really remember Maleficient?"
Um, yes. Everyone.

Yeah i went back like 5 times i thought i heard him say wrongly. Maleficent was one of my fav live action remake. I love that we get to see her past. All villains have a past, they are not born a villian


Great fuckin video man my god you deserve all the attention you get.


Love the 8 but version of “sympathy for the devil”


Ive known you from your youtube poops to your awesome video essays now. Great video! Your part on AI > humans > animals was really powerful and scary to think about


Diagnosed psychopath here, please don't say we're even partially an embodiment of chaos. We lack empathy, most of us, are still, however, scared of punishment. Most of us are products of abuse, not genetics. We're still human, just like you are, just like everybody in the comments are, we're just mentally fractured. Our view of the world is very different, as is someone with ADHD or schizophrenia. We're not bad people, we just..dont understand(?) how to be good people, because we don't get a mental reward from doing good nor bad. A psychopath does feel emotion, hell, even love. I'm still learning to be a "human," it's just an incredibly long journey to do so.


After having this in my recommended for 3 months I'm finally giving in and watching it.


The amount of vocab in this man is beyond my comprehension


Sympathy for the devil as a background song was perfect


Some guy linked this video in a comment talking about how he hates people like EmpLemon for glorifying and romanticizing villains. I think he misunderstood this entire video.


as someone once said we're all the protagonist of our own story and the world isn't divided by just good and bad


lmao we watched this on our literature lesson on zoom


Since the first episode of avatar I rooted for zuko you could tell he wasn’t bad I rooted for joker in dark knight I even rooted for thanos these examples are characters misunderstood thanos was simply caring for a garden overgrown by hero’s who cause more chaos the joker was toppling a corrupted government over run by criminals and corruption joker was trying to fix it and zuko was trying to be a hero to his nation win back his honor and his fathers love and have a life he has always wanted a life where he is loved hell even darth Vader wasn’t a true bad guy he was bent by what he thought was right the Jedi order but the more he grew to there cause anakin mind got more cracked until he broke that’s why I love zuko and joker so much because there characters who might be evil but isn’t evil just simply misunderstood and wants love or sees a problem and wants to fix it and that problem might be what the audience is supposed to think is good those characters are some of the best characters


DIO Brando from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is also an example.<br>He had an abusive father that killed his mother, and was a drunken bastard. He was driven towards evil. He poisoned his father due to how much of a drunken, abusive father he was. He didn't want to do this, but he was driven toward doing it.

DIO Brando from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure is also an example.
He had an abusive father that killed his mother, and was a drunken bastard. He was driven towards evil. He poisoned his father due to how much of a drunken, abusive father he was. He didn't want to do this, but he was driven toward doing it.


I got some ideas brewing in my head so I'm taking notes.


I think the existence of a space marine from 40k is a pretty good example of this concept for those who dont know what that is I cant really explain that you gotta look it up but if you read it youll proly get it


somehow I didn't knew phoenixs bother died like that. this changes everything...


This video is so good that I forgot to like it in 2020 and Youtube reccomended it again just for me to fix that.


Another example of a potentially sympathetic villain is Ganondorf since he's the destined incarnation of evil so as a result he has no choice and he's forever forced to be a villain even when he finds out about the cycle and tries to break it he can't so he has to endure an eternal cycle of death and rebirth with no say in the matter which is easily the most sympathetic quality of the character however he has more than just one he was also born in the desert and lived there all the time growing up and he has raised as a thief and a king all at once combined with the fact that his destiny forbids him from having an angel on his shoulder so he was basically hard wired for evilness


You should have involved magneto<br>Hes the villain that thinks hes the hero

You should have involved magneto
Hes the villain that thinks hes the hero


Today I just realized evil is literally in the name devil how did I not notice this before


I love the Left 4 Dead 2 music you used when talking about Anton Chigurh.


A Hero would sacrifice their beloved for the world. A Villan would see the world burn; before their beloved gets a scratch.


this video felt like it was 5 minutes long


Other examples that you didn’t mention in the video:
Squidward
Light Yagami
Dr. Doofenshmirts
Megamind


Zuko was never the Villain. The Fire Nation was, Zuko was just trying to regain his father's approval. An atagonist perhaps, but not a villain. His father however was a villain.


Then evil only exists in the eyes of the beholder if its based on morals.


the valve soundtrack bits are much appreciated.


I just want to say that if you put some armor on bears they would be unstoppable


I feel that this is a way to explain Jason Todd,  a damaged but good soul killed by joker just to come back as Red Hood - a anti hero. Prove me wrong? 🤔


Good vs Evil is when Mark Hamil plays in the series or trilogy.


Also Heist (2015) is a good movie. You find yourself rooting for the bank robbers aka the protagonist. It’s very 90s action but it is a good movie to sit and watch...


Did you just explain what the joker is all about? Damn thanks


Fucking What? 8 bit sympathy for the devil is probably the best thing I've heard all day


7:13 Those are two different definitions of nature


Good and Evil are difficult to comprehend when one is without God. However, I have heard someone say that evil is causing suffering unnecessarily. This one is simple and broad but falls apart as you go into the details because unnecessarily is very vague.
Now a note on how Christian sense of good and evil works I am not an expert but will share my own insights. The way I understand it is that Good is acting in alignment with God's nature and intentions, Evil is acting against God and His intent. God's intention is to love one an other but not in an emotional way, though that helps. Rather God calls us to act in love towards others by choice, especially in spite of our emotions in the moment.
Lets say you and your sibling (or friend if you don't have siblings) are hanging out and your sibling asks you to grab a drink for them from the fridge on the way back. It is good to grab it for them if your hanging out and having a good time, it is love if you were currently annoyed at something they said and really didn't want to get them the drink but did  so in spite of that negative emotion.
Its a little difficult for me to articulate but hopefully that helps a bit.


didnt even realize it but as i was watching this, i was playing left 4 dead 2, and i heard the theme and got weirded out lmao


So I can call anyone that disliked this video a villain?

reading the comments you can safely assume they are surprisingly christian. Never knew a video about movie's villains can trigger so many religious people


“Villains are a necessary evil”

Shows picture of leafy


I have one question. Why is dog killing legal in Canada?


1:36
“Oh what religion are you in”
“Harry Potter”
“No I’m asking you about religi-“
“Harry Potter”


u sure do love tf2's meet the merceneries scenes


you should ended with thanks for coming to my ted talk


“All the world’s a stage and I’m the antagonist”


Wait, This is what he’s doing now... Wow... just wow...


Eren Yeager is going to be next great antagonist... period


15:43 the taijitu is their colors, nice touch


I love all the TF2 clips and background music.


Since your video about Trump using memes and the video about Leafy's rise amd fall journey, and of course Jimmy Kimmels hypocrisy, your slowly becoming one of my favorite youtubers.  This video was Very insightful and reflective and took it's time to build its points.


Terrence Fletcher reminds me of my old man


The Hero cannot exist, without The Villain


I believe almost everything is good or bad and that everything is perception just like how if a lion kills a dear we’re gonna FEEL bad and that lion is just feeding its cubs so is it really bad


Then there’s someone like Askeladd.<br>Fuck man, Vinland Saga hits deep..

Then there’s someone like Askeladd.
Fuck man, Vinland Saga hits deep..

Tbh he still strikes me as extremely antagonistic and lacks a fair bit of empathy but he isnt all bad.


In the dreamsmp Wilbur created lmanberg and lived long enough to destroy it


So we're just gonna act like what Joker did to Jason Todd in the Arkham games wasn't Jokers fault? He was born that way?


For the last point of this discussion, if there was no villian the hero is pointless. I think they should've looked at megaminds movie a little


I did NOT expect to see the Spy from TF2 in this video.

I did *_NOT_* expect to see the Spy from TF2 in this video.


this vid makes me wanna play red dead 2 more for some reason.


It’s absolutely insane how you described Zuko’s entire character without spoiling anything about the actual show. This is my new favorite youtube channel


Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name.
<br>But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game.

Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name.
But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game.


As joker said “it only takes one bad day”


If you're watching Avatar: The Last Airbender, and someone comes in, asks you if you're watching Anime; Do you shoot them before or after they pick up their teeth?


'Madness is governed by the same priciples as a coin toss.'  What does this mean?


in Greek mythology Hades is not bad just the god of the dead, actually Zeus do more bad things than him.


Even jaeger is a good example of that blur


that picture of the choice to save 5 and kill 1 with the train, I would have saved the 5, and after the train killed that 1 guy, it would fly off a broken bridge killing all on the train because i have shitty luck


7:56 the blue helmet is a little bit sussy


My favorite sympathetic villain is count bleck


Me: villain win yeaassss kill them hahaha
Villain: Dies
Me: 👁👄👁 hōW¿
Hero: 🤷🏻♂
Me: 😡😠😖🥺😢😭🤧


Correct me if I'm wrong but hal900 is the villain in wall-e.


20:47 anyone know the name of the soundtrack?


5:11 wait what about the cabbage merchant


Recommended listening after this video: Sympathy for the Devil by The Rolling Stones


<b>redo of healer has entered the chat</b>


I really need to rewatch the avatar series...


When you're born at the bottom the only place you can go is up.


I somehow came here from the trollge videos and I don't regret it.


My horn is longer than your relationship


Maleficent wasn’t even evil did you even watch the movie


"Our morality is often determined by whatever religious or spiritual code we grew up with"

I find the implication that you can only believe in God or religion because "you grew up with it" humorous. As if only a child could ever believe in God and anyone who does believe in Him as an adult MUST believe it because they're a child. Not sure if you intended that insult but it isn't something I'll lose sleep over or really care about.
Another thing, I don't think you really get is the concept of the devil. The devil is not the "incarnation of evil". His actions do not define what evil is. He is evil because he actively goes against God's design. A clear example of this would be his (Lucifer's) fall from the heavens. When he fell it was due to his selfish desire to overturn God and rule over creation himself. Something that is in stark contrast to the selfless character of God. Objective morality is defined as selflessness. In contrast, objective evil is defined by selfishness. Humans have a bit of both. That's the bi-product of the Fall & the result of knowledge of good and evil. By acting one way or another you are making a spiritual choice.
But hey, I'm not going to go further into a debate on morality and the nature of God that'd be too long for a YouTube comment. Suffice to say, you fucked up in your research. Intentionally or unintentionally? I don't know you tell me.

"Our morality is often determined by whatever religious or spiritual code we grew up with"

I find the implication that you can only believe in God or religion because "you grew up with it" humorous. As if only a child could ever believe in God and anyone who does believe in Him as an adult MUST believe it because they're a child. Not sure if you intended that insult but it isn't something I'll lose sleep over or really care about.
Another thing, I don't think you really get is the concept of the devil. The devil is not the "incarnation of evil". His actions do not define what evil is. He is evil because he actively goes against God's design. A clear example of this would be his (Lucifer's) fall from the heavens. When he fell it was due to his *selfish* desire to overturn God and rule over creation himself. Something that is in stark contrast to the *selfless* character of God. Objective morality is defined as selflessness. In contrast, objective evil is defined by selfishness. Humans have a bit of both. That's the bi-product of the Fall & the result of knowledge of good and evil. By acting one way or another you are making a spiritual choice.
But hey, I'm not going to go further into a debate on morality and the nature of God that'd be too long for a YouTube comment. Suffice to say, you fucked up in your research. Intentionally or unintentionally? I don't know you tell me.


Its save to say that for me, Zuko and Iroh stole the Avatar show, trully good writing!


pleased to meet you hope you guessed my name


I love how you used Robbie Rotten for his quote.


"the average person doesnt  tend to enjoy doing malicious things"

me:


Wow, this channel sure took an upward spiral!


zuko may have been the best "villian" to ever exist


Oh I thought you were talking about MF DOOM.


I thought that was god of war for a second good video


man
go look at attack on titan and see eren and how he is now
I do not understand whether he is a villain or a hero


Rest easy MF Doom, The ultimate super villain


I am slightly upset that Megamind and dr. Doofenshmirtz are not in this video

doof is more of a anti-hero<br>and mind is the protagonist so he cant

doof is more of a anti-hero
and mind is the protagonist so he cant


I’m going to say this now, but a good way to word this video is the idea that as we mature we tend to view stories less as hero vs. villain and more as protagonist vs. antagonist. Heroes are good by definition, and so are villains. Story-writers realize this and how it’s much more constraining and repetitive to keep doing that. And so they turn to more obscure ideas. Making the effect of good vs. evil lessened, making it obscure, or reversing them entirely. Readers enjoy the trouble not of constant basic barriers to the main character, but rather the tumbles not of strength but of morality and what makes them a protagonist.

Anyways rant over if anyone wants to give examples of good stories that have the idea of blurred “sides” as a major part of it, please reply on the comment

Anime is best for this i think, Daimao Demon King, Inuyasha, Sheild hero, That double black one, nurarihyon, rosario vampire, vampire knight, hellsing, vampire D/ Hunter,shakugan no shana, naruto (like pain etc), the list honestly goes on... i alsoo think games like Legend of Dragoon and Drakenguard or Nier are great for making your mind think.


“As much as we hate them,”

Tumblr: are you sure about that

“As much as we hate them,”

Tumblr: _are you sure about that_


"Evil villains tend to be forgetable villains."
That is... incredibly debatable.
Freeza, Hannibal Lecter, Wicked Witch of the west, the Predator, Joker, Palpatine, Voldemort, the Xenomorphs, the very villains you listed, like the Fire Lord, Joker. These are all rather blunt, evil villains with little to no sympathy involved.

The greatest irony is, that he names Maleficent as a villain that's boring, because she's just evil. But at the end of the day, the evil Maleficent has left a much more interesting impression on people, than her sympathetic new version did. Because it's not about whether or not the villain is sympathetic that makes the difference. It's whether or not we enjoy watching them do their thing.

(For a more in-depth look into this topic, I can only recommend "Overly Sarcastic Production"'s YouTube video about Villains)

Also, one last thing: the Joker from the Joker movie is clearly not the same Joker as in "The Dark Knight". I mean... That joker was older than the other one 20 years in the past, looked completely different and was well known, already in the 80s. Connecting the two's backstories is just nonsense.

@A Seraphim
I mean: he's a sentient alien that hunts and murders other sentient creatures just for fun. Reveling in the brutality and playing with them, even. And then maniacally laughing as he expects to take the one who defeats him with him.

The new ones are portrayed as less overtly brutal and evil, but those are also... well... worse movies, throughout.

I wouldn’t really count the Predator as a “villain.”


probably one of the most relatable villains who you can't even get mad at for being evil is Pain from naruto


I love how at 1:26       8 bit Sympothy For The Devil is playing. Perfect music!!


Yeah, they way I see it people who believe that there is a truthful good and evil and act accordingly tend to be the uptight and pretentious.

I try not to judge and work to make my friends, family, and the people around me better. To often I find that there are many who simply lack empathy. Not that they can’t live and love. But they can not empathize. A feel as if a certain form of selfishness, that isn’t necessarily evil or intentional is how they interact with the outside of their circle.

What I find to be evil is the rejection of the outside as if it was poisonous or toxic to ones self. Xenophobia, while over used and almost cliche nowadays, is a real thing. The rejection of the world to preserve ones own reality.  It is every where. From communist China to the USA, there are people who not only fear others unlike them but fought to kill steal and destroy. This is what I define as evil.

“Violence isn’t an answer, but a question”

The problem with so called "Xenophobia" is that it is actually beneficial in the context of survival. If your first instinct to anything unknown is to go and touch it you will not live long, for that colourfull frog you see climbing on the tree might carry a deadly poison. If anyone wants to survive the day caution is the way to go. And yes, this alsp applies to humans one does not know. Stranger-Danger anyone?


Looks like we got a welcoming gift today, eh?


Ayeeee I subscribed just because you used a flying lotus song at the beginning


EmpLemon with Joker and Zuko in the thumbnail?

My body is ready.


I think Light Yagami has interesting points also. How about a protagonist who thinks that he’s the justice and goodness but eventually his ambitions turn him worst than the criminals?

Thought the same. Someone who wanted to become the hero but then developed a God complex and thus became a villain. His arrogance is what leads to his eventual downfall. He was given powers by a god, but then is grounded back into reality when the god takes back his power just as easy as it was given.


Why doesn’t re talk about Anakin more? He acts like they’re two different people and doesn’t even mention him!!


Joker by Joaquin Phoenix wasn’t the bad guy, society is and they get what they deserve.

@Coffin Tears you can blame society if you want but at the end of the day you are the only one who controls how you feel, its easy to blame someone or something for the problem but that's not gonna fix it. If you really feel there is a problem do something to fix it instead of pushing blame put some action to the words.

@HercB society is the reason why i fucking hate myself why i cry myself to sleep at night made me feel like a worthless nobody. Not everything i do is my fault.

@Bruh probably, but all I ever heard people talk about was how bad the media and rich people were I guess that’s “society” in some peoples mind.

@HercB I mean, I feel the story of joker is pushing that exact narrative of "you are apart of society, so please be nice to people"

@Bruh true but people have to stop blaming society for all their problems and actually try and be better on their own. People want to make society this big evil so they don’t have to take responsibility when in reality society is made up of us and we all have a part for better or worse.

@HercB fair enough then, but you can't deny society's negative impact on the man

@Bruh you said “society is what caused the illness” which is very different then society made it worse by cutting funding which was my point. Mental illness exist with or without society my point is we can only make it better or worse but either way it’s still there.

@HercB I literally said society was what took away the ability to help him by cutting the funding. But you chose to ignore it and misinterpret that on purpose, but okay whatever you say. "There's nothing we can do so why even bother trying I guess"

@Bruh we can obviously work to make mental health better but even with all the resources available stuff like the joker will still exist, you can never truly wipe it out only work to make it better much like Batman trying to make Gotham crime free. So yea society didn’t help the problem but I also don’t think you can say it created it at least not in this story.

@Bruh but they wouldn't have antagonized him if he was sane.

I'd more argue mental illness as the villain. Sure Society did nothing to help Authur's illness, however if he never had his illness the Wayne Employee's murders would've never happened


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Hit it on the first try

Villain: the worst guy"
Rest in peace


Yin and yang is like pre nut lust and post nut clarity

<i>Guts theme plays in the background.</i>


Emplemon today, summoningSalt yesterday,...

My life is good


2021 happens
EmpLemon: I am here to improve this land

2021 *happens*
EmpLemon: I am here to improve this land

Since this comment got the attention: crazy how Antifa created Gypsy Crusader, the very type of people you think theyd try to be getting rid of


"Zuco went thru the most pain in the series" <br>Aang- entire culture killed

"Zuco went thru the most pain in the series"
Aang- entire culture killed

@HercB That's an observation. I can't say I agree but you are entitled to your opinion. It is a story after all and people can have different interpretations of it.

@where R my tacos well it was never about who suffered more it was about who suffered worse. I would agree that we SEE Zuko suffer more but for me the quantity dose not out way the intensity of Aangs suffering. Hence why I think you can make the argument they suffered equally, zuko higher quantity Aang higher intensity.

@HercB well if he didn't immediately process what happened then he didn't suffer as much. I'm gonna say this one more time. No one is arguing who had worse happen to them, just that zuko actually suffered the most throughout the show and events leading up to the show.

@where R my tacos Aang is also younger usually kids have trouble dealing with trauma. You think everything is fine and then all of the sudden they blow up like with Appa. I’m not denying that Zuko went through some shit over a longer period of time but what Aang went through is a bigger single event and definitely enough to drive anyone over the edge and the only reason he seemed fine is because he still had his kid innocence and didn’t fully process what had happened. But I’m sure even after the show ends Aang is left with a lot of guilt and shit to work through.

@HercB if that's the case, then the show didn't do much at all to address/establish that. Aang is overall very cheery and genuinely upbeat, the only time they talk about Aang "concealing his emotions" is when Appa is gone, and the air nomads are never brought up or mentioned in reference to aangs grief from episodes 10-17 of season 2 (the episodes in which Appa is missing). The concealing emotions and "not caring" arc was never brought up in relation to the air nomad genocide. Of course Aang suffered, and one could make the case that the worst happened to him if they wanted to. But he did not suffer the most. Zuko was torn down by those he loves and intensely suffered for years and years, especially (but not limited to) age 11 when his mother left him- the end of the show, whereas aangs suffering only begins only briefly (in his time) before the show/story starts. Aang was clearly very much hurting inside but clearly not as much and for not nearly as long.

@where R my tacos just because Aang didn't show emotion doesn't mean he didn't suffer. He was raised as a monk so obviously he was taught to conceal his emotions, but that is not a healthy way to go about things all the time. And we see his emotions burst out when Appa gets kidnaped and Aang loses his shit because that was the last thing that tied him to the life before the iceberg. Just because he seemed happy doesn't mean he wasn't hurting inside.

@HercB This wasn't about who had the worst thing happen, its about who suffered more, Aang had a pretty blissful upbringing and after he ran away and returned to find out what happened to his people, he cried for like 1 minute, went into the avatar state and then didn't express/show much grief for the rest of the show and was quickly back on his feet smiling again by the end of the episode, whereas zuko lived his entire life with a constant onslaught of abuse from the people he sought approval from the most, he was torn down and belittled and hurt his whole life and punished when ever he tried be good, which results in a deeply traumatised, miserable and confused individual with an identity crisis. Whoever had worse things happen to them is debatable, but zuko clearly suffered far more and for much longer

Aang: awakes to being 100 years into the future realizing everyone he had ever known is dead
Zuko: neglect, abused, and exiled by his own father and sent on a wild goose chase so he could get honor.
Katara: mother killed at a young age and being the only water bender in the village.
Saka: more or less the same thing minus the bending; having to be the "man of the village" as a teen.
Jet: being subjected to an occupation by a another country.
Toph: blind and treated like a doll by parents.
Azula: prodigy but brought up to be a perfectionist that turned her psychotic and unable to trust anything in the end.
Mai: emotional labor
Tai-lee: sick of being compared to siblings.
Iro: grieving over the death of only son.

@Vitor Ferreira As someone whos somewhat been through similarity both (in a less insane way? idk how to put it cuz I'm not gonna sit here and invalidate myself but it also wasn't on that scale? idk.)..i can say both are equally painful, to me at least. it really depends on the person and how they respond to it. while abuse is tragic, if  someones not really phased by it then its not as painful to them as it would sound to us. I'm not saying abused arent bothered, I'm just saying if there was someone like that. Physical pain doesn't affect me at all the way emotional experiences do. for me, being physically hit be would be far less traumatic than the emotional pain of a loss as great as angs. But that is me I am not everyone nor speak for them. I'm just saying that its possible and not black and white. "Imagine living years remembering the pain caused by your own father, probably with partial blindness in your burnt eye, a scar to remind you of what happened every day, your mother missing and your entire people hating you" <-- i can infact imagine and relate to this in a way. I am adopted. I never knew my real mom, but it still hurt me bad as a kid , I longed for her for some reason. (not just cuz she was birther/"mom"). the adoptive woman that could never be called mother was cruel and distant and cold - she hated me for some reason even tho I was a mostly good kid willing to please - she "Went missing" in the sense she'd been presently missing in my life in a non physical way up until she died. (mostly did it to herself..with help of a dumb hospital) she was then missing after since I think 12 or 13   around there? .. my dad was always yelling, getting drunk, throwing things, putting me down, making me feel weak useless stupid the list goes on, and although he's never physically hit me I felt like there were times he would. ((he is much better now , nearly dying and me trying to escape this madness and cut of all contact woke him up to himself, and he feels terrible and does all he can to atone rn. he gave his all to a toxic wife and I think that's what made him that way, and my crazy toxic sister, who's also gone.)) it affected me/was worse growing up more than it sounds. I do not bring my issues for pity. For the longest time I figured that was just life. Its just my own experience is the best example I have right now, and in many things. as for your own people thing that can be applied to "Family" "friends" and "community" - all which have constantly ganged up on and betrayed or left me (or i had to leave cuz they were toxic) On one video game I felt a lot like Kovu, and to this day stay away from it (for other reason too ofc but that being the Main one) i literally felt metaphorically exiled, and that's what they wanted I believe. No one cared to hear my side or think of my thoughts needs and feelings, much like zuko. So I can relate, and am not just speaking ass on something I have no knowledge or experience with in the remote slightest. both zuko and aang "lost their whole people" so both have equal trauma, and I do get really beaten up over not thinking and reacting better as with aang having ran from and getting frozen not being there for his people and stuff. It can be pretty traumatic. IIt can make u feel guilty, stupid, selfish, powerless, dumb, unreliable... not a good__ ((ex friend, or in aanngs case avatar)) etc. plus in aangs case your care for the people.(its not always just about them.) So anyways I hope that made sense, and I only explained my issues to show how I can understand both sides :)

Aang was obviously better than Zuko at dealing with struggles and pain, he relied on others support when necessary, where Zuko pushes everyone away. Aang uses his Culture and beliefs to obtain comfort and confidence, while Zuko grows to doubt his own. Zuko's arc is so satisfying because we see him struggling for the better part of the series to learn how to deal with problems in a positive way, while Aang fine tunes his already established way to navigate trials.

@行屍走肉 true, I guess not many people feel responsible for the death of loved ones, at least not as many as can relate with Zuko's struggle.

Zuko's struggle is far more relatable though

@HercB it's doesn't matter whether those terrible tragic help you or not but zuko by far have face a lot of them

@Fancy I guess the way I look at is all those things that happened to Zuko ended up making him a better person in the end, if he never went through any of that he would have just ended up being the same as his father an evil fire lord. So I see at is more or a positive at the end of the day. But Aangs situation just seems to have no direct benefits. Yes it had to happen in order for the story to play out as it did, but for aang personally it didn’t really change him in any way other than just teaching him not to run away from responsibilities which imo losing your whole tribe is a pretty harsh way to learn that lesson.

Aang might have one big tragic but damn did zuko face a lot of tragic. his mother abandoned him, his father banished him, his grand father hated him, his sister abuse him, got accused a lot of things he didn't do, Didnt have any real friend, Sent to impossible task by his father, Got Burned on his face by his real father, Lives hiding because he is a fire nation, Nobody wants to see him home.

@Solidago And who said we are? So far, the discussion are bringing interesting point of views without being harmful or offensive. That's a good thing.

@Vitor Ferreira Why are we comparing trauma..?

@KaizenKittyI agree they are different situations but where as zuko was betrayed Aang feels like he was the betrayer, which in context yes is different but can be equally as damaging mentally.  And Iroh was there for him the whole show, the only time he wasn't was when he felt Zuko had finally went too far down the wrong direction which is probably what he needed to see his error.

i think it's more like... Aang's family never betrayed him. he never went through that. Aang always had someone he could rely on. as a kid he had Gyatso. after the iceberg he had Katara and Sokka who were there for him through thick and thin. Zuko had no one. (yes Iroh was there for him sometimes) ....but his own father scarred him. his own sister tried to kill him.... this is a pain Aang never had to experience (thankfully. the boy went through enough already). ..

@Coin yeah, poor Hama. Avatar is full of tragic upbringings.

@Coin true, didn’t remember her backstory tbh

Not that this is a competition but if you really want to go into who has the most horrifying backstory that title should go to Hama the bloodbender.<br>She literally went through almost the same thing as Aang only that she had to witness her people get picked off one by only to be then captured herself, knowing that she was probably the last hope for her home and probably also feeling guilty. Then add probably 5 - 10+ years of imprisonment and torture to that.

Not that this is a competition but if you really want to go into who has the most horrifying backstory that title should go to Hama the bloodbender.
She literally went through almost the same thing as Aang only that she had to witness her people get picked off one by only to be then captured herself, knowing that she was probably the last hope for her home and probably also feeling guilty. Then add probably 5 - 10+ years of imprisonment and torture to that.

@Vitor Ferreira Yes, but aangs trauma comes from the fact that he wasn’t there so while I agree they are different I really don’t see one more painful then the other. Plus while I’m sure zuko eventually comes to terms with his past realizing that he did nothing wrong and that his farther was just evil, aang will probably always feel a little responsible for what happened because intentional or not he was not there when his people needed him.

@HercB Aang suffered a lot too, no doubt. My point is that Zuko experienced trauma and pain during and after the fact. Imagine living years remembering the pain caused by your own father, probably with partial blindness in your burnt eye, a scar to remind you of what happened every day, your mother missing and your entire people hating you. Fuck. Aang at least owes the benefit of not having seen the massacre and experiencing this trauma personally. Otherwise, he certainly had the worst loss. Anyway, tks for the reply man, nice perspective.

@Vitor Ferreira I don’t know dude aang had a personal relationship with those people it’s like waking up and finding out your whole family is dead but even worse it’s your whole damn culture. And even worse aang feels responsible for their deaths when it wasn’t even his fault, he was just acting like any kid would in that situation and there was no way for him to know there would be a storm. I’d say he had it pretty rough it just doesn’t seem that way because he generally has a positive upbeat attitude throughout the show unlike Zuko.

He runned away and was sleeping in the iceberg when that happened. Zuko suffered public abuse by his own father, burned, humiliated only because he defended soldiers who was gonna be used as pigs for slaughter by the fire nation. Yeah, he got the worst treatment.


rest in peace DOOM, the greatest villain


I didn’t know of Joaquin’s brother till now. And it puts that end scene in a whole other perspective.


I sometimes have feelings of being neglected by a community that i worked so hard to be "respected" in.  I see the top players as undeserving of what they have and believe I should be there instead, I believe I deserve better because I worked harder than them to get to where they are, in videos discussing the best i am frequently left out and forgotten and that hurts me on a very deep level, to a point where i now have convinced myself that I was wrong, I dont deserve anything that anyone else has, and maybe, I dont deserve anything at all.

These thoughts haunt me every day, it drives me crazy, I once respected the top players, but now I resent them just because they are better than me and, in my eyes, they don't deserve to be better than me.

I realized one day that those thoughts are meaningless, as is the game that I religiously play to gain "respect" in.  "Deserving" is an interesting thing, in many ways I do deserve what I believe I do, but in many more ways, I deserve nothing.

This video really did capture the essence of the thoughts that I frequently have, me being the protagonist of my own story, one that believes he deserves more, and I can been seen as an villain in ways as well.  It's very interesting stuff to think about.

Great work on this


,,People often ask for a hero, when what they truly need is a villain"<br>-Swain, League of Legends

,,People often ask for a hero, when what they truly need is a villain"
-Swain, League of Legends

well he is pretty good at being my villain when hes always 0/10/2 on mid lane on my team and 2/0/30 on support on the enemy team


It’s not “Thou shalt not kill” it is “thou shall not murder” common misconception, big big difference. Just sayin.


Sometimes i just root for the bad guys because i'm tired of the clichè of the heroes always winning


See, this is an excellent point with villains. The world isn’t black and white, but sadly, it’s religious people who still think “No! The world is black and white!” Ironically, they become chaotic, while you’re just trying to have a civil conversation. There’s only a few religious I know who don’t go crazy and that’s really sad.


The production quality was insane, I'm glad to have this in my recommended.


Is no one gonna mention the tf2 references in mans vs order??

no it seems like a lot of people already have


Me: I'm the protagonist of my own story

sees this commentary

Also me: Maybe I'm the antagonist of my own story

Me: I'm the protagonist of my own story
*sees this commentary*
Also me: _Maybe I'm the antagonist of my own story_