"Evil villains tend to be forgettable."<br>Palpatine: It's treason, then!

"Evil villains tend to be forgettable."
Palpatine: It's treason, then!

@Quantum Videos Cz Palps is evil and loving it, like Skeletor he's somebody you'd never want to actually meet but cannot help adoring. He has so much damn fun being evil.

@Patrick Fair enough. Azula, for example, is much more memorable and compelling a villain than her father because despite also being "pure evil," her personality is still much more unique than his.

@Topaz Technically Dio's sympathetic because he grew up with an abusive father

Most people only see him as a meme rather than a person

@Quantum Videos Cz he is the master of anakin and anakin is the one who was obsessed, palpatine was necessary for anakin to become what we know as vader, thats why he is memorable

Palpatine works as a purely evil villain because of how cunning and calculated he is. He outsmarts and out maneuvers all the other characters, and you just can’t help but respect him for it.

"Evil villains tend to be forgettable." is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard

Also Micah Bell from Red Dead Redemption 2

Lol no...there can be pure evil selfish villain in serious stories but end up being so memorable and likable. Specially nowadays that writers throw tons and tons of sad back stories to create villains that end up being much more horrible and unrealistic.

@Quantum Videos Cz palatine is a 2D character, no value what so ever, he's just there so the hero can be, a hero

@Quantum Videos Cz Palpatine isn't "just evil" lol, some would even go as far as to say he did nothing wrong.

@Jakob Renner Exactly. I don't understand how willingly killing your parents makes for a sad backstory.

Canon or not, that's evil.

In the Original Trilogy alone, I’d say he’s quite forgettable especially when having to share with Vader. The prequels manage to make him memorable by the sheer scale and genius he displays, tied down to his relationship with Vader and betrayal

@Bova-Fett no bruh. Palpatine is only memorable because of prequel memes.

@Quantum Videos Cz And even in Legends Palpatine was still irredeemably evil. While the Plagueis novel humanizes him, it also shows us that he was a monster from birth.

@行屍走肉 I agree that complex villains are interesting. I was more so arguing that simple doesn't mean forgettable. As for Michael from Halloween, I think that would depend on which film in the series. Some films make him a silent, unfeeling murderer with no apparent motivation while others add things that seem out of left field. I guess it comes down to writing and reception. Some people are satisfied with revelations and complex backstories, while others are content with simplicity and mystique.

Yeah that was a firm disagree from me. Complex villains create a more interesting and thought provoking movie but villains that are a pure representation of evil make for a really fun movie. Think Michael from Halloween.

Its based on how the villain is portrayed tbh you can have have evil villains who are just evil who are liked and remembered like frieza, scar, jafar, ursela, cartoon joker, dr eggman etc

I would argue that it's not evil villains that tend to be forgettable per se, but evil villains who are simple with no other qualities to them. Hell, much of Disney's classic villains are as simple as can be, but are recognizable through aesthetic and personality alone (even if the films they're in didn't do so well.) I would say Palpatine is memorable for the same reason.

Palpatine is memorable due to his interactions and motivations. He would fit right in with Fletcher from Whiplash. It's all about how a confused soul like Anakin can be influenced and turned evil.

Palpatine is on my top 10 most memorable villans, playing the part of populous pleaser all as an act to destroy the Jedi and their version of peace

TEND to be, not always. There are tons of villains who are just bad. Taking the example of A:tLA, Ozai was just pure bad;no layers no reason, he was just bad.

Only if you have a charimsatic villain with a fun personality, like you just gave an example of.

@PewDie-Ton Legends. That very few have read and are now not canon. For all general audiences, Palps is just evil, while Vader was only like that in A New Hope, in Empire, you learn who he is and in Return, he turns good again, more or less. And the Prequels are all about him and his suffering as Anakin.

@Quantum Videos Cz in legends he killed his family

@W Spann Yes, but you feel tons of sympathy for Vader. Palps? He's JUST evil. No sad story, no relatable background, no nuance, just unapologetically evil,

Vader clearly overshadows him in public perception though


"As kids we love heroes, as adults we begin to understand the villains...."


This is one of the best worded videos I've watched on YouTube. It was deep and super explanatory.


I've always gravitated towards villains my whole life. any time I watched a movie with a good one I always felt for the villains, everybody has a story, and sometimes we only get 1 side of the story 🤷♀ just my personal experience


We definitely need a balance of morally grey complex villains and more simplistic “evil” ones. It would be boring to only get one or the other imo


"Villains are a necessary evil."

Shows a picture of Leafy's banner

@Luis Valdes It was literally clickbait. He never  even mentioned poki in those videos

@Luis Valdes most of those were clickbait because he didnt spend time on poki, even then, YouTube's harassment policy is subjective and should be processed.  An outright ban when theres a 3 strike system is excessive since poki was in no danger.

@cunny yeah but he didn't need to so like 10 videos on pokimane, he was acting like she had killed someone lol (no, im not a pokimane fan, before you call me a simp or something)

@cunny  yeah not to mention this was preceded by the ban of LtCorbis aka Soph and Mumkey Jones. apparently good comedy is not allowed on youtube. but when will Shane Dawson get banned? ... who knows...

he was probably the biggest reason on why pokimane had to come out with an apology, and his ban shows how out of place youtube's policies are

@Sub if you hate Tik Tok and Twitter don’t forget mega mind, it’s a kids movie but it shows how there needs to be balance with a villain and hero.

@Giorno Giovanna forgot the very necessary comma there, sir.

@Sub if you hate Tik Tok and Twitter It’s funny how we as a kids just think he is just a stupid villain who is there just for laughs and giggles... until we find out about his past. It’s pretty smart of the creator, kids are watching and we grow up along side the characters while learning one by one on why they act this way.

Well I'm disappointed he didn't mention Ice king from Adventure time in this video

But hey that’s just a theory a game theory.


Bill cypher is still one of the most memorable villains and he was evil


People who stand with their moral codes and ideologies (even bad ones) to the end, are my favourites. I never felt respect towards people who just follow one another, hoping something great happen to them.


fun fact: the backround music in the beginning of the chapter "evil" is sympathy for the devil (original by rolling stones)


“Everyone has a time bomb cleverly hidden in their patience”

You're a time bomb Walt, going "tick tick tick"

and I sure as hell don't want to be around for the boom.

Is this quote from a show or something or not

Having been a patient before, I am now incredibly concerned there's a bomb in me somewhere.


I feel like the coin toss like you said acts as a second voice. It made me think of two face and the relationship he has with the coin. Maybe it's similar to how it's an impulsive action by past or existing trauma due to betrayal, rejection, and overall a crooked perception of society. Other than that I don't think that these characters are any more similar other than the coin.


"sympathy for the devil" is such a brilliant choice for background music


“If we all knew what he knew, his actions would make perfect sense.”<br>The more you know

“If we all knew what he knew, his actions would make perfect sense.”
The more you know


"There is no definitive answer for what constitutes an evil action"<br>Hitler: "That's what I've been trying to tell people!"

"There is no definitive answer for what constitutes an evil action"
Hitler: "That's what I've been trying to tell people!"

This is where the argument for morality being objective vs subjective come in


When it comes to avatar, it basically taught me to look deeper into a characters life before judging them. Sounds a bit generic but it's just a simple way of saying a lot more


"Does anyone even remember Maleficent" I mean, she's an iconic Disney villain, but I agree, she isn't necessarily multi-faceted.

I always remember Maleficent. I just seen both movies last year


This video is amazing and portrays really well all ideas surrounding this theme!! One of my favourite vilains is Johan from Monster. He is exceptionally deep, intriguing and frightening. But at the same time he is such an accurate depiction of reality, and you start to understand his actions


Maleficent is extremely memorable. Characters don't need sympathetic motivations or detailed pasts to be memorable, they just have to be good at being evil.


Zuko wasn't even a villain, he was a kid trying to earn his way back home.

Zuko wasn't even a villain, he was a kid trying to earn his way back home.

@EpicFights789 Victims can be villains too. Suffering abuse in your past doesn't make you blameless for committing your own abuse unto others.

@Fin Zuko's story arc was not a Villain redemption, but of an Abuse victim who underwent recovery. He was a child who was abused and gaslit by his father into believing that he needed to silence his own moral compass (the person he rly was when he stood up for his own beliefs and spoke against the immoral plan of the general) and "redeem himself as prince" by capturing the avatar, when in reality he was just trying to get his father to love him and stop abusing him up until he realized he was never the problem and recovered from his abuser's manipulation.

The harmful actions Zuko had done during his banishment and Zuko's amends to those actions later on, was not him transitioning from evil to good, but of him returning to the good person he was from the beginning as he was not clear of mind back then due to his tunnel-vision and obsessed drive to please his abusive father.

@Satirics You have an elementary understanding of vocabulary and provided no examples to support your position.

@Satirics You have an elementary understanding of vocabulary and provided no examples to support your position.

Just gonna leave this here for everyone

Define: evil
> profoundly immoral and wicked

Define: bad
> failing to conform to standards of moral virtue or acceptable conduct

So, by definition, Zuko was not evil. He was bad. The label of evil would fit more to Ozai

@Finzz What do you care if it's so pointless?

@Finzz What do you care if it's so pointless?

So the idea of y all debating over zuko .. is just fucking pointless my dude,  what do you try to achieve over that ? .

So the idea of y all debating over zuko .. is just fucking pointless my dude,  what do you try to achieve over that ? .

Zuko is good   fire nation is bad  <br>But when zuko become a king fire nation is good .. so who make fire nation bad ? Zuko father ... So what make zuko father bad ? Idk ..... THISSS  IS WHAT FUCKING VIDEO TELL U ABOUT

Zuko is good   fire nation is bad
But when zuko become a king fire nation is good .. so who make fire nation bad ? Zuko father ... So what make zuko father bad ? Idk ..... THISSS  IS WHAT FUCKING VIDEO TELL U ABOUT

@An aching Ski Walker I find your attempt at an insult absolutely hilarious! Good try!

@An aching Ski Walker I find your attempt at an insult absolutely hilarious! Good try!

Arthur fleck isnt a villain either. Hes a broken man and his version of the joker is an anti hero.

Arthur fleck isnt a villain either. Hes a broken man and his version of the joker is an anti hero.

He was basically a police officer, from his point of view. Or a detective, maybe. The Avatar was a criminal in his country. And his entire society would have revered him as a hero if he had succeeded in capturing him. So he is absolutely a hero from his own perspective. And that's what really makes Zuko's character remarkable, and Avatar as a show: the politics. It's pretty much an unremarkable adventure serial until the context and urgency are created by the actions of governments, especially the fire nation. Everything the gang has to do, and the timeline they need to do it in, is created by the Fire nation. And the fire nation's morals and culture are what transforms Zuko from a one-dimensional villain into a hero from his own land viewed as a villain only by Aang and the audience. And the fire nation aren't the only political actors, obviously. We later get all these different factions with their own morals and views: The White Lotus, the water tribes, the previous avatars, the earth nation, etc. And for each one of them, you have a different set of views on the Avatar's journey and the political status quo, and you even have different end results for how well off they'll be depending on who wins the struggle between Aang and the fire lord. And that's what make the stakes on the final fight, and the final season so crazy. Not only do we want to see Aang win, but we've gotten to know the perspective of all the people who will suffer or benefit from one side or the other succeeding. It's like the classic "save the world" stakes, except it removes the usual issue with that, which is the world isn't well characterized so we don't really care. And lastly, Zuko being revered for potentially capturing the avatar, and Aang being a villian to the fire nation, is a parallel of the real life feud between China and Tibet. To this day, China is trying to imprison the Dalai Lama or redefine the title of his inherited successor if he dies. So even years after the show goes off the air, you're left to reinterpret what it had to say based on future politics. It's actually nuts how good this is when you consider it's a Nickelodeon cartoon from 15 years ago.

Yeah. My interpretation of his character in the earlier seasons is a heavily troubled boy who’s keeping a tough exterior which he uses to show his large amounts of frustration and anger. Though under a lot of layers, he’s still the sweet boy he was in his childhood, which possibly even subconsciously influence his actions. He never burnt or seriously hurt anyone in the show, unlike Azula or Zhao, no matter what happened, even when he was attempting to mold himself as how they would behave. I can’t think of a single time he actually burnt anyone.

I also remember the episode with the pirates specifically, and that really dumb line about how he’d save Katara from those pirates. I doubt he was completely kidding, as if the pirates did get there hands on her they’d probably rape/torture her, and even angsty Zuko didn’t want that. Though I doubt it was a completely conscious action, which he justified with excuses.

The guy sure makes a lot of excuses in his denial spiral.

His story in my opinion is all about him shedding the layers of his anger and slowly realizing that he was being a massive bitch to please his murderous father for two and a half seasons. Realizing he didn’t have to keep up such a facade up, as he wasn’t longing for a purposely impossible goal anymore.

That’s my take on it anyhow, though I’d enjoy hearing others

@Fin How am I wrong exactly?  You're just saying that I am without providing any justification.

@Fin How am I wrong exactly?  You're just saying that I am without providing any justification.

@name cannot be blank Your points were countered and you're wrong on every level. Rewatch the show and take some philosophy or film classes.

@Fin It is definitively not "end of story" as it was literally only the beginning of his story. My overall point is still valid.

@Peter-Peter Pumpkin Eater You are! I apologise for being rough on you when you clearly do know what you're talking about.

@Fin Yes I know that. I mean in of Zuko not as the character but as a concept in literature.

Like you now how a character is both a fleshed out person we understand but they simultaneously embody a concept. Both Aang and Zuko embodied the same thing, like heroism and duty and etc..., but they started on the opposite ends of what that concept actually was.

So Zuko the character is a villain like Aang the character is a hero but Zuko the concept is the same thing as Aang the concept.

(Am I making sense?)

@Peter-Peter Pumpkin Eater The opposite of a hero on the spectrum is a villain....

@Peter-Peter Pumpkin Eater The opposite of a hero on the spectrum is a villain....

@JuicyMuscprod That was the cause of the duel, but not the reason he was banished. You need to rewatch the series and pay attention.

I honestly never saw Zuko as a villain, just another hero that started on the opposite side of the spectrum

I honestly never saw Zuko as a villain, just another hero that started on the opposite side of the spectrum

@Fin Nope. You forget one thing. The reason why he was banned, he didn't agree with the invasion and spoke up against it.

@josh No, he was banished for refusing to fight his fascist father in a duel to regain the honor of a general. Zuko continued to serve his fascist father and was thus evil.

@JuicyMuscprod You also have no clue what you're talking about when you define evil. Being evil doesn't make anyone subhuman. You need to take ethics and philosophy classes.

@JuicyMuscprod Zuko knew Aang would be captured and tortured if captured. Additionally, letting the Fire Nation complete its goal of world domination is inherently evil. Zuko was serving a fascist regime and thus was evil. End of story.

@Darkhunter mini John Wick is an anti-hero. He did evil in revenge for evil acts against him.

@Darkhunter mini John Wick is an anti-hero. He did evil in revenge for evil acts against him.

@name cannot be blank The comparison was an exaggeration to prove the point that actions define people more than their intentions. Zuko served evil when he was hunting the avatar. End of story.

@josh yes, he was literally banished for saying that sacrificing innocent lives was the wrong move for the fire nation

@josh yes, he was literally banished for saying that sacrificing innocent lives was the wrong move for the fire nation

@Fin Comparing Zuko to Hitler is ridiculous. Zuko never committed genocide, he was a 16 year old that was abused and cast out by his father. He hunts Aang to restore his honor which he comes to realise that, despite everything he's ever been taught  his whole life, the fire nation are wrong, he sides with Aang and teaches him firebending as well as helping them to stop the War.

@JuicyMuscprod yes I agree and thanks for reminding me lmao

@JuicyMuscprod yes I agree and thanks for reminding me lmao

@josh He was a tyrant. He did what he pleased. He really was actually a bad guy. No turning back for him, reason why aang took his bending. Also btw his name was Ozai.

@JuicyMuscprod I'd say the only truly evil character in the show I zuko's father (can't remember his name lol)

@JuicyMuscprod I'd say the only truly evil character in the show I zuko's father (can't remember his name lol)

@josh He had good morality. Even if it never showed 100 percent of the time.

@josh He had good morality. Even if it never showed 100 percent of the time.

Didn't zuko literally refuse to be evil and that's why he was banished?

Didn't zuko literally refuse to be evil and that's why he was banished?

@Fin When you say something or someone is evil, you are saying they aren't human. You are saying their is no coming back. His actions WERE justifiable. He was practically forced to do what he did. FOR YEARS. A TEEN. KICKED FROM THE FAMILY UNTIL HE BROUGHT HOME THE AVATAR. That's not evil, that's broken.

@Fin Azula was i'd say close to being pushed over to the light. But she fell.

@Fin Azula was i'd say close to being pushed over to the light. But she fell.

@Fin Difference between being evil and broken. It's like Michael Myers, IT is evil. They literally call Myers an "IT" because he doesn't feel sympathy. They see him as the living embodiment of evil. NOW lets talk about Jason Voorhees, yes he kills. But the motivation is what matters here, he kills for revenge and for his mom. He doesn't kill the innocent. Only witnesses and threats. That's it. THAT is a broken character, NOT an evil character.

@Fin He didn't want to kill Aang. He wanted to capture him. He was doing it because he felt betrayed by his father. Just because you admit it is hard to be good doesn't mean your actions were evil.

@Blassom Empress You can be evil and not a psychopath.

@Blassom Empress You can be evil and not a psychopath.

@Fin I mean... Well he feel guilt from betraying he uncle and plus he have a soft heart, he was told that his uncle betrayed them all that shit, and in the end his sister try to kill him, and found out she lied to him, his father doesn't care less if he is dead.<br>For example Psychopath, they feel anything no sympathy or empathy.

@Fin I mean... Well he feel guilt from betraying he uncle and plus he have a soft heart, he was told that his uncle betrayed them all that shit, and in the end his sister try to kill him, and found out she lied to him, his father doesn't care less if he is dead.
For example Psychopath, they feel anything no sympathy or empathy.

He was antagonist. John wick would be a villain then

He was antagonist. John wick would be a villain then

@Noir You're simply expanding on what I had said, regardless of what you think you're doing. He was set up to act evil and transition to good. He just had a higher hill to climb.

@Noir Every teenaged main character in the show except Azula went through that very process. The uniqueness of Zuko's arc was that he transitioned from evil to good.

@SCHNEK I'm not sure where you were going with your comment, honestly.

@SCHNEK I'm not sure where you were going with your comment, honestly.

@SCHNEK Evil acts aren't forgiven simply because the offender had good intentions or was incompetent. Even the mentally ill stand trial and are placed in an institution if found guilty or a threat.

@Fin You are absolutely right, and i hate to admit that people with your honest mindset are quite rare...
It is simply fact that evil acts to not require evil intentions.

You mentioned hitler so i might as well build on that a little;
Some people actually believe that (generally speaking) mentally ill people can never be evil, and never deserve punishment, because they aren't fully aware of their actions... By that logic... Hitler would basically be innocent if it turned out that he was mentally ill...
It honestly disgusts me... Hell, i'd even argue that mentally ill people are even more evil than "normal" people, as they show their true selves. (talking specifically about the violent ones, of course)

In a similar way, being raised to think horrible actions are fine does not make you any less guilty if you commit to those actions... It just makes you more ignorant, and as such more evil...
I'd also argue that we all have a "mentally ill" side to us (not usually noticeable in everyday life, of course), even multiple ones, and we can never really know where that "mentally ill" line is.

...anyway...

@Shawn the Question I don't understand why you commented. Everyone is very aware of the arc and how common it is.

@Shawn the Question I don't understand why you commented. Everyone is very aware of the arc and how common it is.

@Fin That Is Literary The Story Ark Of Darth Vader

@Fin That Is Literary The Story Ark Of Darth Vader

@Moondreamer Motivations don't matter, actions do. It doesn't matter why he was committing evil, only that his actions were evil. Hitler wouldn't be forgiven for his evil acts just because he had good reasons.

@Fin he wasn't evil though, he was just a 16 year old who was shunned by his family and trying to make his way back. there are moments where his morality shows through, like in Zuko Alone or The Storm. anyway something we can both agree on is by the end of ATLA he's a good person

@Moondreamer Zuko doesn't realize he's wrong until after his honor is restored and he spends time reflecting on his decisions. He spends many seasons perfectly willing to harm anyone who gets in his way. Just because his mind was full of propaganda doesn't make him not evil. You're evil because of your actions, not who taught you.

@Fin he was never evil. we know the fire nation children were taught in schools (propaganda), the fire nation saw themselves as helping the other nations by conquering them. After zuko experiences other ways of life he realizes that what is happening is wrong, and his father is wrong. He was always a good person, and the reason he was banished and his father hated him was because he was good. Zuko just grew to believe that that was something he had to hide

@Isaiah You need to rewatch the series. Zuko was trying to kill or capture the only person who could save the world and had a temper that caused much harm. He betrayed his only mentor and mocked him every chance he got.

On top of this, Zuko literally talks about how hard it is to be good when he's trying to join team avatar. This means he considers his own previous actions to be evil.

Zuko was a bad guy to train character but he was never evil, he was always soft and nice and wanted to try to be like his sister bit never had it in him.

@HowToAvenge101 Zuko <b>was</b> evil and turned to good. That's literally his story arc.

@HowToAvenge101 Zuko *was* evil and turned to good. That's literally his story arc.

Having justifiable reasons to be evil doesn't make you less evil.

Having justifiable reasons to be evil doesn't make you less evil.


I feel like the fragility of the ‘hero’ is a concept that isn’t portrayed enough. Exactly what makes Breaking Bad so good. Walt exercises his morality in the first few seasons by serving a ‘justice’ to his rivals, but as the internal conflict of personality is lost to Heisenberg so is his culpability and remorse. He swiftly becomes the villain in many characters’ story whilst he still has the fundamentals of the hero in the eyes of the audience.


The mandela catalogue is great at instilling a fear of the unknown, this caused me to halucinate for weeks after watching the first few episode of it, it was the single worst experience of my life


I feel like this video is "what makes a good/iconic villain" less of sympathy for the villain

sometimes making a good/iconic villain happens to also relate to sympathizing for them, they can overlap at times.


Mereum also has a fantastic redemption arc.


"Those who are heartless, once cared too much..."<br>        ~Davy Jones

"Those who are heartless, once cared too much..."
        ~Davy Jones

“Cheer up, sleepy Jean!” - another Davy Jones

@Nick E We skylanders fans survive in the shadows, elusive yet ever-present

@Eric TheBro you sure do. I love Skylanders!

@Nick E do I smell a skylanders reference?

Yes, people use overcompensation all the time a.k.a. "once burned twice shy". As usual, once a stupid person finally understands that they made a mistake, they do a 180 and make the opposite mistake, instead of actually understanding the cause and the mechanism of their mistake. The only "evil" in this world is human stupidity and its' consequences. And even then, just learn to protect yourself from it, and remove it from within yourself by constant learning, simple...

@Henry Crabs the law of the internet, if a philosophy is even mildly dark, it is edgy and dumb

"Once you realize your mistakes, it turns to acceptance and correctness"


"Jedi use their powers for good"

"Good is a point of view anakin"


Snape and Malfoy also come to mind as interesting villains. Both of them are mean and cruel (especially from the protagonist's perspective), but when faced with true evil, we learn they weren't quite as bad as we believed. Snape of course was only trying to do the right thing from the beginning, he just let himself be manipulated by his own past grudges/trauma. Malfoy (and his family) are shown to be mean, cruel, magic-racist people, but in the end we can see they really were trying to care for their family, and really they were victims of their own circumstances.


Honestly Joker and Johan Liebert from monster are the most well written,thought provoking and human villains in any form of media for me if someone can come close to them is probably Hannibal lecter and Griffith from Berserk


Why is lemon so good at discussing random interesting shit like this at depth


"as much as we hate them, villain's are a necessary evil"
being said as leafy pans across the screen
is the funniest shit I have seen

The anti-heroic Leafy vs the Maleficent Pokimaine.

We need awful people to know what we can't become.

@Dman9fp Oldschool batman directly killed the really bad guys, he didn't deliver them to the police, and there's also this guy, don't remember what he did or what he's called, but he's got him locked up for life, in a dark cell in a sewer somewhere

batman isn't (wasn't?) always purely good, the end used to justify the means

Villains are only necessary because there are other villains

Batman would have to beat up innocent bystanders or something. Wouldn't be a demand for a super anything lol, and thus people would take advantage of that (thus the cycle is constantly fluctuating, happens all the time in predator and prey species, happened a bunch with numbers of pirates and merchant ships, and must be similar phenomena/ cycles in business world)


This is such a great video and explains everything so well. Thank you for making this video.


Whiplash’s point was not that antagonists bring out the best in us, It’s that they can bring out the worst. The director says it’s not a happy ending, and you can tell by the horrified look on his fathers face. He lost to fletcher by becoming him. Fletcher got exactly what he wanted and it was at the cost of the human soul.


The variety of thinks you’re interested in is healthy and makes me feel better about myself. Sometimes I feel like we are expected to like one thing and completely identify with that, which sucks but it’s something that I have stuck in my head at all times. Thank you for not just being a TF2 YouTuber or something. Also it’s funny that literally everything you’re really into is something I’m also into (Not NASCAR or NBA). I love other sports tho.


I love this video because when i was a child i would cry for the bad guys death. Why do we have to all dog-pile people into submission. We don't agree with them? well have we truly listened to them and their grievances? no. good is good and bad is bad. but what if society makes good go bad?


"Good is a point of view, Anakin"- psychopathic killer, beloved politician, Sheeve Palpatine

@Robert Ortiz-Wilson no, she died of a broken heart, he did not actually kill her. He believed he did, allowing him into the order, but he did not kill her.

@Darth Darkborg Love the way you describe Granddad Palps. But you forget one thing.

He's the Senate man.

@Darth Darkborg I dunno I was high when I sent that

@IHateMotionBlur _ wait what? My logic on my original comment or Anakin not being a sith Lord?

@Darth Darkborg according to your logic every single human being which exists is a sith lord because they've killed an ant

Until he became hollow enough to strike down Ben Kenobi

@Laimonas I've just done a fact check and they where, where r u getting ur information from so that I can check it out?

@Darth Darkborg they were not that close

@Darth Darkborg so dooku is also not a true sith?

@Bay Area Sports Fan not really, he very clearly told anakin that being a sith was good, and told him to take steps towards becoming a sith, like killing count dooku. He also told anakin to betray Mace Windu.

@Conde Dooku if we can agree on that, we can agree on other things

@Conde Dooku no one he actually killed was close enough to Anakin to count however, until he kills Palpatine. In that one second he both redeem himself and fully becomes a sith............ironic

@Darth Darkborg I agree on that (only for the memes).

@Darth Darkborg The intentions count, and Anakin had the intention of killing Obi wan and many years later Ashoka, that he did not succeed does not mean that he wanted to do it, he also participated in the genocide of the Jedi before and after Order 66, he killed the Separatist leaders while begging miserably for their lives, executed Dooku in cold blood, slaughtered an entire Tuskens village, participated in multiple genocides, assassinations and massacres perpetrated by the Empire, watched as Tarkin destroyed an entire planet without doing anything to prevent it, cut the hand of his own son and helped the Empire to end the Rebellion.

@Conde Dooku also that's such a funny scene to watch LMAO

@Conde Dooku from the point of view of the code of Darth Banes sith order, those younglings weren't close enough to Anakin to count

@Darth Darkborg So let's ignore that he killed defenseless children ???

Interestingly enough, because Ankain didn't kill Padme, and by the time he killed Obi- wan they weren't close,    and because u have to kill someone close to u to become a sith, Anakin was never a true sith lord

What makes this even better is that Palpatine didn't make Anakin turn into Darth Vader. He simply showed Anakin the door, and Anakin willingly walked through


Loved the 8-bit sympathy for the devil in the background


I love how "Sympathy for the Devil" by the Rolling Stones in 8bit is playing in the background.


7:35 listening to the music glados from portal comes to mind. She was just an assistent inocent and all but the maschine she was put in erased all her memories so she became devoid of emotion. Sometimes intellect is the greatest evil for we pay everything to archieve it.


"man vs society"<br>HE SAID IT, HE SAID THE THING

"man vs society"
HE SAID IT, HE SAID THE THING

this really says a lot about our society


you put so much effort into these videos, great job and really interesting observations!


This was a fantastic video! Also your music selections were badass. Thanks


rewatching again and again, insane how much of a masterpiece this is

@jaijo Erik people remember the character itself, i think he meant more the movie.  I personally could not give you a synopsis of the movie (and i watched it as a kid)

He said who remembers Maleficent despite he being one of the most recognisable villains of all time


This was so good! thouroughly entertained and very good analyse of villains... I LOVED IT!


Imagine how kickass this dudes presentations were in school

The thing that gets me is the big words. That’s why I love his content so much

He said he was a try hard in school, so probably pretty good.


I feel like handsome jack would have been a good person to mention in this video


If they didn’t want us to feel sympathy for the villain then they shouldn’t have made them THE FOCUS OF THE STORY!!!


All I want to know is how this man found the perfect violin piece with space to fit the perfect Zuko line right in the rest at the beginning of the song


This video is the definition of perfection, i certainly hope you wasnt treated by someone like Terrence Fletcher.


Just realised when he talks of satan, there's a modified version of ''Sympathy for the devil'' in the background


I feel like Naruto, specifically near the end, is one of the best examples of what justifies the end. Mainly starting when we hear of Pains philosophy, we get characters with the same goal as the protagonist (naruto) which is peace. 4 of these characters are; Naruto, Sasuke, Pain, and Madara/Obito. All of these characters are in a conflict of man v human nature you could say, but while they have the same goal, they disagree with each others means to get there. Naruto wants to become Hokage, the equivalent of a President of a modern day world superpower nation and strive for peace politically, Sasuke wants to take out everyone in power and control everything (a so called revolution) to have peace by having all the worlds hatred directed towards him, Pain believes that “death shall bring peace” in other words that by giving humanity weapons strong enough to kill themselves off almost completely the survivors will know true pain and strive for peace at the fear of it, and Madara and Obito’s is to essentially put everyone into an infinite dream where it’s your perfect ideal of reality - eliminating free choice but giving you the illusion of it. People seem to deem antagonists like Pain and Madara as villains when they were only seeking justice, I can see the argument for Pain being a villain seeing as his plan for peace depended solely on genocide, but Madara is a Hero who was casted with shadows by casting Naruto in the light. The whole point is that you shouldn’t just look at characters and say they’re villains any more than you should people, think, contemplate on their philosophy and how they see to achieve what they strive for.


I even clapped when the video ended due to how perfectly explained this was. Every psychological characteristic defining each one of the biggest rivalries in humanity and yet still there are people who don't understand this, confusing a villain from the antagonist, being always against one who doesn't deserve it, it's just...amazing in all aspects...best video I've watched in all honesty.


The BGM made me wanna finish Chain of Memories for the GBA for sure. Thanks man... So suiting for a vid like this too! Good work. As always...


As Benito Mussolini i approve this approval

Anyone who believes that "Thanos Did Nothing Wrong" crap has obviously never heard you rap...

@Monica Aboites What are your issues with their characters in the films (I'm guessing you're talking about the MCU)? Because they seem to connect very successfully with a wide majority of audiences

Yes because The Avengers are awful characters, specially Iron Man.

fun isn't something one considers when approving messages, but this... does put a smile on my face


Good video. Still, there is place for undisputably evil villains as an element of fiction and for discussion of morality. Maleficent (the first), was not a forgettable one.


As a smash fan i simply love how you.use melee music in your videos and some high level tournament for references 💞


I highly recommend you to watch every movie and series in this video if you haven't already.


As soon as I saw the title I was playing Sympathy for the Devil in my head. Then the music actually starts playing. Well played my man


"villains are made not born"<br>"heroes are only good if you watch from his point of view,watch the villains point of view and you will understand him more"

"villains are made not born"
"heroes are only good if you watch from his point of view,watch the villains point of view and you will understand him more"

Those are the stupidest things I have ever heard.

@Real_Slim_Shady Doofenshmirtz Evil incorperated.

Except in next part of the video there is villain that can't be understood

@mitens  "always" no, only the shit villains kill just to kill

Obito isn't a hero though, his point of view is.. saw his crush die to his rival and premeditated many deaths.. and willingly followed a family member to destroy many nations included his own which he wished to lead one day spawned from anger and revenge...he's not an anti hero and only redemption he has is after he gets betrayed... Sure he helped Naruto survive.. he also manipulated pain to murder thousands .. and that's only one instance.. he is a sad kid who got friend zoned and wanted to shoot the school up in retaliation

@james aaron Pains motivation and story is great too... His goal was to defend his people and protect them from the havok of war. He also desired a world without wars...

History is told by the victors and survivors... One man's savior might be another man's antagonist

satans logic. sounds like a song by the rolling stones...

@mitens  I dunno, I mean Joker is a mysterious supervillain. He's a type that I want to learn about, pretty sure something had made him become "Joker". Batman tries to bring him to the good side but he replies that eventually he will go back to the dark side.

@mitens  Whatever makes you sleep at night.

@Cindy Aurum looool im not gonna take you seriusly with that pfp


Of course, as soon as I read the title, Sympathy for the Devil starts playing in my head. Good song.


A lot of creators try to do what I just watched. You did it. Nice job man, I really enjoyed this watch. I love that you touched on the MSM's role in the perception of villainy in the real world. Subscribing, only 13,000 more til 1milli!!


this video is really, really good! I love the production & quality!


Damn. This video was amazing, thanks for the analysis!


“As children we admire the heroes, as adults we understand the villians”

@A cat that looks like hitler True, but the one's that aren't pure evil are more interesting and compelling. I enjoy complexity more than a black and white perpective.

@Spooderman you still idolize perry tho.Just with understanding doofenshmirts

@The Belen There’s this tendency among almost everybody to overestimate their own competence and experience when they’re young. And that’s not a bad thing — it’s an important part of learning about yourself and your place in the world as you grow up. But don’t underestimate what your own parents know and understand.

Maybe you’re really into literature or psychology, and maybe you do understand what a villain is and how it works better than your parents. The world has a ton of people who struggle to cope with the ugly randomness of the world, and turn to simple answers to make sense of the world around them.

But consider that your parents were once your age, and probably had many similar ideas. Maybe they’re just trying to set a better example for you to follow.

Wise words. ill make sure to tell the kids im not having that.

As a child I always understood and empathised with villains. Now that I’m an adult I still do, I guess I can only relate to the villains.

@Jaz Turner i think even for a teenager have 3 characters i felt sympathy for the villian

As a kid a lot of the villains in movies I felt bad for. I kept looking to find kids movies I was allowed to watch that made the "bad side" win. Movies as a kid were never fun to watch because one always had to suffer or pay for their actions. I just wanted them to either get away or to develop as a good character and live like that. But i dont know why i liked the villains, I guess I was just different.

@The Belen i think its more of the parents not wanting you to think their good so they try to set that example

@Lego Red Dead the best characters in bad kids movies are always the villains. i.e. gargamel in smurfs

I’ve actually always loved the villains better. They’re just so interesting

Funny thing is I'm a kid and I understand villains more than my parents. Or maybe I'm just symphizising with them too much...

as kids we idolize perry<br>as adults we understand doofenshmirtz

as kids we idolize perry
as adults we understand doofenshmirtz


Damn, what a good video. I watch this an unhealthy amount of times it's just so good.


This video is amazing that I keep watching it. It shows how we create our own villains whether it be technology, yourself, or someone else.


With your amazing insight on what makes someone evil I’d love to see an entire video dedicated to attack on titan


great job in visuals! excellent montage!


If only every villain had an uncle Iroh in their lives..

@RoiRoiJe so you have a crush on said person

Little soldier boy....Comes marching home, Brave soldier boy....Comes marching home

@Martin freemon Hes called Jesus in mine

"you know I was going to make all living beings immortal so I can torture them for my entertainment but uncle iroh you convinced me that's not nice"

@sainbaatar it’s okay dude. I can’t speak for shit as well lol

@That Original Kid thats exactly my point. even if you have a good guy in your life if you fucked up like azula you just have no hope. sorry for the bad english

@sainbaatar well. Yes but no. Iroh agreed with Zuko about azula being crazy. So they teamed up to try to take her down

I have a friend who is basically the Uncle Iroh of my life and I have such a powerful urge to make her proud that it's not even funny.

Everybody needs an uncle Iroh in their life. Hell, I need one.


I like the addition of the 8-bit cover of Sympathy for the Devil


I love how the title is a perfectly even number. You can definitely tell he tried to reach that because he put in the period, making the last symbol for the even title


honestly i've always thought that i was weird for always sympathizing with villains


you are one of the best video creators on this site hands fucking down. i'm so inspired by ur vids keep it up bro


5:13 "there's no doubt that Zuko is the one who suffered the most in the serie."
Cabbage man: hold my cabbages.

@Kay Dollar Yeah, I can see now. I also love avatar to death. Aang went though some shit. Sokka wasnt that hurt by his monther dieing then katara. Thanks :D

@That Original Kid Of course the cabbage man is the ultimate victim, and Zuko went through so much too, but Aang’s race got erased. You could say “hey but Aang didn’t get AS affected by that”, but that would mean that the “pain rating” would discard the circumstances and only take in count the way the character goes through that situation. Basing ourselves in that, Katara suffered more than Aang, cause yes, she “only” lost her mother but for years and years she blamed herself for it, endured so much emotional pain and bottled up her feelings while Aang had HELP and was able to “move on” from it. But then again, what sounds worse? ALL your people/race getting murdered or your mother getting killed, you decide. Whatever, everyone went through a lot of stuff and comparing/invalidating trauma isn’t cool. Even Azula went through a lot, and I don’t mean towards the end, her whole life was a tragedy. I love this show so much, it has such complete characters that you can spend hours and hours analyzing! Except for the fire lord, he pretty much can be summed up in 3 sentences... but that makes him... himself!

What cabbages? Those ones that are burning in an inferno?


The way you floe from point to point in your essays... HMPF. Just perfect


Junko Enoshima is an example of a character so evil they actually become amazing.


What do you me "does anybody even remember Malacifent"?! Of course we do, and I think it's for a lot of the reasons you talked about in this video. She's seen by many as one of the best Disney villains in recent memory because, despite her actions, her personality and confidence make her very likeable, and (to some) she's even a bit sympathetic. the original Sleeping Beauty film shows that she was the ONLY one in the enitre kingdom who was not invited to Aurora's birth, so her motivation for doing what she does is largely because she wasn't invited. While this is very drastic and not something someone should (or could), feeling outcasted and unwanted from a crowd does probably strike some sort of chord relate inside many people in the real world whose feelings may have felt similarly hurt. The Angelina Jolie Maleficent film also makes the character far more vulnerable, wronged, and sympathetic; although I admittedly can't remember everything that happens at this moment, that is certainly true. I feel that a lot of people, especially younger people from this generation, feel a lot more drawn to villains than traditional heroes because, although we don't like to admit it and it isn't always healthy, it can feel very cathartic to see a character doing what they want for either themselves or their loved ones, regardless of collateral damage. I know that's what you're talking about in this video, but that's why I felt I should leave this comment saying that maybe Maleficent shouldn't be written off so quickly. :)


Awesome video it was satisfying the watch and even more satisfying to see the conclusion tie into everything and the title. And I feel like this video encapsulates a lot of good versus bad and flipping perspectives. Thank you for making this vid


"My Father used to tell me that Azula was born lucky and that I was lucky to be born"

I'm a fan of the arthas story >.> hopefully shadowlands doesn't wreck it

Maybe, but Azula has no pity. It's something that she doesn't have. She just cares about lore and that's it.

I was legit thinking about that since the start of the video

@Conan Okay, I dont remember that quote.

@TheZebbga'more like the coldest tea in Badingsae!

@Flame Haha, "This tea is nothing but hot leaf juice!'

@TheZebbga Then I better go ask uncle iroh to make some jasmine tea

@Flame I mean if we are doing Avatar quotes we will be here all day.

Azula: “My own mother called me a monster! She was right of course, but it still hurt!”

@Minecraft Veteran Yoda Yeah, it is a great line. It does so much for Zuko, Azula and Ozai. Like it sets up the kind of person Ozai is even more so and also lets us know Azula is powerful while also showing how tragic Zuko's life is.

That line hit me hard when I first watched


going into the theater prepared to scope out where the "incel glorification" that media pundits shit themselves over was only to find that Joker was a full on class warfare movie made me feel like I was losing it. like it's so obviously about class warfare that it errs on the side of cheesy, the media missed the mark so dramatically that it felt like attempted brainwashing


man, that last line gave me goose bumps bro


Can we appreciate how much effort is put into this video!!!


That's why I love Megamind as a kid, it made me rethink about my prejudice about villains.<br>If they're really evil or just someone that disagree/against the hero cuz of different teachings that change their perspective of the term "Good"

That's why I love Megamind as a kid, it made me rethink about my prejudice about villains.
If they're really evil or just someone that disagree/against the hero cuz of different teachings that change their perspective of the term "Good"


Waluigi is the most relatable villain, everyone has a bit of wah in them.

You again, King Dedede! You better not steal my food, or else you're done for.

@SloppyJoe1100 what about from a fallen angels point of view

Waluigi isn't a villain, he just wanted to get into Smash

This is technically true and it annoys me

WAH!

This is technically true and it annoys me

*WAH!*

get out of my head get out of my head get out of my head

@King Dedede technically, Mario could possibly be a villain anyway. He's killing hundreds of people just because they're accociated with Bowser when most of them don't even actively try to kill or hurt Mario. Even the ones that do were probably warned by others about Mario and are doing it out of self defence. Bowser could even be trying to make everything better, while Mario and Peach don't see the bigger picture, which has driven him to do anything to stop them.

@LemonadeSnake Tbh, Mario is the real villain if we view it from Waluigi's point of view.

Waluigi isn't even a villain. He was only really shown as a rival, and never did anything that bad before.

What's so relatable about a scummy, cheating, loser? it's no wonder Sakurai bans him from being a playable character in Smash Brothers.

@Schoen Perkins In a later comment I said that since we viewing everything from Mario's perspective, he is thought of as the villain, but if we were to view everything in the Mario franchise from Waluigi's point of view, Mario is the true villain.

Rude of you to pigeon hole him as the Villain

@Piss in the sink Understandable. Have a great day

As a fat man who farts a lot I’ve always related best to Wario

@Antonio Dunbar Waluigi really isn't a villain, I'd say he's a combination of Prince Zuko and Syndrome, just trying to seek acceptance and appreciation but ultimately gets rejected by the world. "Wah" is also just a sound Waluigi makes and is popular for.

@King Dedede I'm not caught up on his lore soo how exactly is he a villain to wah?

@Chips The Kiwi Well, as Emp talks about with Prince Zuko, we are viewing almost everything in the Mario franchise from Mario's point of view but if we were to view it from Waluigi's perspective, Mario is the real villain.

@Chips The Kiwi I didn't know that claim could get any better, but you have made it even better, WAH Is love WAH is life

@Chips The Kiwi I didn't know that claim could get any better, but you have made it even better, *WAH* Is love *WAH* is life

saying that implies he's a villain at all

Truer words have <b>NEVER</b> been spoken


This just showed up in my recommended and I gotta say, this was a wonderful video. And all of these movies are incredible


Bad Santa is also also a perfect presentation of falling in love with villain.


you are great content, glad to find your channel!


8:00 the significance of the ELP as background music is probably lost on many viewers. Fucking GREAT choice.


In every story there is a hero, and a villain. In your story: you are both.

I think your sentence would work better as "there is a protagonist, and an antagonist" since we're often our best obstacle and best helper at the same time.

@2x 4 Oh hey look, it's the origin for my username.

@17RaysPlays What you said was cringe, the way you type makes me feel like you get bullied at school, and the sans pfp is just icing on the cake. If you don't wanna get nagged on the internet, don't say stupid things lol

@IChaseFish Geeze, can't a guy make a self depreciating joke without being accused of being an edgelord?
And don't act like I can't be having problems at 14( I'm 16, but close enough) because everyone has problems, and you shouldn't be accessing me of living some perfect conflictless life.
 And for future reference, the juicebox statement only works if you equate me to an elementary schooler.

@17RaysPlays dam, all that pain a 14 year old gotta go through 😔😔😔😔<br>why'd you take that kids juice box

@17RaysPlays dam, all that pain a 14 year old gotta go through 😔😔😔😔
why'd you take that kids juice box

@ODST Trooper he means he's destroying himself, not that he's as cool as the joker or Thanos.

@ODST Trooper Nonono. I'm not an edgy villain. I'm just the source of most of the main conflicts of my life's story.

@Phoenix RQ what are you talking about? I think we're all the ones to burn down our own houses

I'm my own side charachter that is absolute garbage but still a fan favourite for some reason

@Phoenix RQ that's a really close minded statement lol

Idk I don’t think the guy who wants to burn down my house is me in this case

I can remember where this came from but we are all side characters in someone else's story


Eh, this video comes of as platitudinous. "Pure evil" villains can be just as interesting as morally grey ones (who have been extremely overused over the past few years). Like most things in media: it all depends on execution.


1:34 I was expecting sympathy for the devil when I saw the title, and the 8-bit one was a pleasant surprise


I don’t throw this title around often, but this video is one of the best I’ve ever seen on the platform (in my opinion). Bravo.


mega mind is the perfect example of the ying losing it's yang


Correction: the media wasn’t fearing violence caused by the Joker movie. They were trying desperately to encourage someone to do something violent.

@Henry Lansing you said the media was our enemy. It's not. There's a reason why we have the freedom of press. It's to help maintain balance of power in the government. Why would you want people to go against them? When i said thay America wouldn't be America without the media, what i meant was America wouldn't be a republic. Also you're in that the media and government aren't in union, as they shouldn't be sometimes.

@MoonBound 64 ...

You literally just said America = media and media = America.  The two are virtually inseparable for the docile population.

All I'm saying is, if I were the government, I would also spend all my time convincing people that the media and government are opposed to each other and definitely not in union with each other.

@Henry Lansing America wouldn't be America without the media. Does the media do and say some dumb things, yes, but thanks to media, the government has to be more mindful about the people. Without the media the government could do whatever and cover it up without any backlash.

@DontTazeMeBro 96 hands up dont shoot

i cant breathe

these were both fake news, and both deserved way worse

@Killer Mudkip I don't think that most police are 'bad people.' Like, they kick puppies and never tip and shit. However, I think that the system of american policing requires reform. Police are not trained to or expected to use passive methods to resolve problems. They are meant to give commands, and in bad situations, to exact justified violence. And sometimes that's good, but when it's not, things like 'the blue wall of silence' and 'qualified immunity' act to deflect from accountability. In this way, the system artificially protects and encourages bad people. So, I don't naturally assume that <b>all</b> cops are bad people. But I know that cops are are expected to act with force, and that force is expected to be acceptable.

@Killer Mudkip I don't think that most police are 'bad people.' Like, they kick puppies and never tip and shit. However, I think that the system of american policing requires reform. Police are not trained to or expected to use passive methods to resolve problems. They are meant to give commands, and in bad situations, to exact justified violence. And sometimes that's good, but when it's not, things like 'the blue wall of silence' and 'qualified immunity' act to deflect from accountability. In this way, the system artificially protects and encourages bad people. So, I don't naturally assume that *all* cops are bad people. But I know that cops are are expected to act with force, and that force is expected to be acceptable.

@Henry Lansing tell me you’re a white guy crypto bro without telling me you’re a white guy crypto bro

no it's to tone down and crowd control those non japanese people to watch it in japanese dub cause it's cooler and edge

@alex m but why? Cops are subjected to the same twisting of realty that everything else is by the media. The same treatment of taking the exception and making it the rule. The media makes every cop to be as bad as the one who killed floyde but in reality you'd be hard pressed to find a single police station,  that isnt for a incredibly small town in the south, where you wouldnt find a majority of people who would be generally considered good people. Speaking from personal experience i've met a scarce few cops who i thought were as bad as the media portrays them, and my opinions were not only acknowledged but also shared by their fellow officers at times. Cops dont like bad cops, thats a fantasy of the media. And believing that fantasy only adds to the problem and the conflict.

@MrSqurk I would trust them more than a us cop.

It's sad to see. They do the exact same thing with school shootings.

@Sunny Sunshine He died tho. Woefully esoteric how lol

@MrSqurk Would you call this "Hero Syndrome"? 😉

@Gergely Ritter journalist are the scum of the earth. I would trust anyone over them.

We had some guests over a month ago or so. Media came up, because of an incident in the german soccer League. (Dont ask me about it, idk what happend.) Just so no one gets confused, my father is the representative of a minority in my country. He shouldnt say anything about the party in charge and stuff like that.
So he told us, that every time someone from a news portal came to him with questions about smth related to a political issue, he had to ignore them, because if you say even one word to them, they can just make up a lie and support it by saying, that they talked to him. And if he actually told them smth, he wouldnt be able to say, that they didnt talk to each other.

Its honestly bizarre and disgusting.

Like when the news "warns" parents about some dangerous trend. You figure out that only 1 person done before the news warning. Ie the news caused the exact the they were trying to "save" us from.

Just like they loved the riots last summer

Like that one song so excellently says:

The news just LOVES dirty laundry

I wouldn't be surprised if that's what their mission. Tragedies have always been used as ratings boosters for the media in general. If they can use those incidents to bully people to spread their false realities while boosting their ratings, then no wonder the American media has devastating lack of trust from the public.

If whatever the hell the media is about is heroic, I want to be as villainous as possible. They are the greatest enemy to the people in our time, as a certain recent president once said. I don't even care if people like or hate him, I just saw him as a kind of breath of fresh air from the totalitarianism of the institutions that govern us (I know he was partially in the water with them, but at least he wasn't fully submerged. They've made that clear for 6 years now).

Basically, I wish the left and right would just go joker mode, hold hands for a second, and focus on the true enemy rather than tearing each other up at our own expense and to the delight of soulless oligarchs.

Gotta get those clicks per minute on their articles.


I feel like sometimes the villains don’t want to be villains…


This my favorite emp lemon video to date. It still gives me goose bump listening to part of man vs self


This is such a well crafted video I love it


I was waiting to hear Sympathy for the Devil after reading the title. Smooth move putting the 8-bit version in! It was a nice touch.


Probably my favourite version of yin and yang in fiction is Batman and joker: both had 1 bad day, both used it as motivation, one for evil, one for good.

@Nathan Kiefer I meant yin and yang like they’re both so different but if you look at it closely they have bits of each other

Joker doesn't acts for good or evil, he does what he does for chaos

Well except neither yin nor yang are evil, or good for that matter. They're more like masculine and feminine, or electricity and magnetism

Batman opened the present because he’s a good guy
Inside was a coupon for new parents.
But it was expired!
This is a Joker joke.

joker didnt have just one bad day, he tried to be good every day until the world broke him. It can happen to you, to me, to anyone, even your heroes. Everyone has the devil in them.

@Siashi and now that robin in theory is the new joker.

It wasn’t one bad day that pushed joker over the edge it was his entire life breaking him down into what he becomes.

Both batman and joker are villains, society of Gotham, which creates such freaks and high crime rate, is a true victim.

@Cumulus  <b>whispers</b> It is good to evade your taxes

@Cumulus  *whispers* It is good to evade your taxes

Not good nor evil, but order and chaos. Both forced to clash continual.

Literally they are. Both of them are completely insane but they are yet completely different people and they turned out completely different

actually, batman's direct opposite is killer moth. many people forget that killer moth is actually the yin to batman's yang since he's a bit of a joke character from the silver age of comics while joker is from the gruesome golden age

One For Chaos, One for order<br>Not necessarily good or evil

One For Chaos, One for order
Not necessarily good or evil

Well the Joker literally said that Batman completes him


this video was insane thanks man this was a true work of art


loved the use of "want you gone" before the machine part


This was so good and ending it with joker was amazing.


I gotta acknowledgement fire that title drop at the end was


The fact he made a whole video talking having sympathy for villains without talking about megamind is obsurd

Drizzt Do Urden DR. DOOFENSCHMIRTZ

Ok it’s played for laughs but he gets a backstory developed over the entire series and it actually has consistent continuity

It would be a few days long video if he was going to talk about all villains with a good or decent backstory! Thanos, Magneto,Doom just few that I remembered at this moment..

Surprised he didn't talk about Light Yagami and L. Perfect representation of a villain being a protagonist, whilst simultaneously having a yin/yang relationship to the antagonistic hero, L.

Well he didn't talk about Drago Bludvist from How To Train Your Dragon 2 and about the whole deal of him seeing his whole village die and burn, his family die and having his arm ripped off by dragons all when he was just a child either......
Nobody ever seems to give a shit about that part of Drago's character......
Even the movie itself doesn't care. Dragons burned his village and slaughtered his people showing some dragons are just hostile and cruel, movie never brings this up again and instead just gives us a speech about that good dragons under the control of bad people do bad things like it's saying all dragons are good and pure never meaning any harm only humans are capable of being assholes for the heck of it. Yeah BULLSHIT! Movie where's the message that people can go down bad paths because of fear, trauma and loss of loved ones? Does what happened to Drago's village not matter?
I don't understand what Dreamworks was going for with Drago. It looks like they were trying to make him intentionally unsympathetic but his backstory and the fact that the first movie with the giant queen dragon showed there are evil hostile dragons is completely ignored and forgotten about and the movie never cares about Drago's side of the story just because he's the villain never addressing that Drago technically has a good point about dragons and treats him like he's flat out 100% in the wrong without any grey areas.
And then there was this whole scrapped plot planned for him in The Hidden World where he got development and redemption making it seem they wanted to make him intentionally sympathetic.
Dreamworks I hope you were intending to make Drago intentionally sympathetic cuz if you were intending to make him intentionally unsympathetic YOU WERE DOING IT WRONG!

@Pankakotakis Megalomavropoulos yeah dude just wanted to go to art school

@Pankakotakis Megalomavropoulos ikr such a tragic villain. Feel bad for the guy

Well thats because Megamind didnt really have a reason to be evil other than his skewed sense of "destiny". If anything, Megamind's story is the reverse, a story about a character so set on one thing that when they get it they're left jaded. When Megamind seemingly defeated Metro Man and took over Metro City, he was left melancholy, and unable to go on, so he decided to create a new superhero to complete him, a plan that ultimately backfires(on that note it could also be said that Metro Man suffered the same thing, growing tired of the constant  hero-work, and staged his death as a result. Megamind couldnt exist as a villain without a hero, and when he realized that, as well as compassion and morality that he realizes his true destiny.

tl;dr, its hard to feel sympathy for a villain whose reason can be summed up as "be careful who you call ugly in high-school".

EDIT: Remembering the things Megamind went through as a kid, I suppose thats a justifiable reason, but its not like he had any hatred as a result, he just wanted to fuck shit up.

Edit 2: Used a poor word to describe something, changed to be a bit better.


22:55, I quite honestly don't see HungryBox as a villain, he's more like a prince Zuko situation, not evil, just trying to do what he thought was his his best.


I come back to this video this every month, its just so well made


I love this video so much. Its definitely my favorite video of yours.


Honestly Zuko isn’t, and never was, the villain. He is simply the antagonist of the story, the conflict, the opposing force against aang. Similarly, L or Near in death note, where Yagami Light may have been the protagonist, but protagonist does not mean hero. Light was what would be considered the villain if L or near were the protagonists, but they weren’t.

Edit: ok so everyone is saying that light isn’t exactly a villain, more anti-hero, but I think he’s more an anti-villain. Whether his actions ultimately helped humanity is debatable, however at a surface level he is DEFINITELY a villain. However light LITERALLY believes that he is a GOD so therefore, anti-villain. Btw this comment was a complete and utter brain dump, so in my rush of typing I just found it easier to refer to him as a villain lol. Also be free to keep debating/sharing ur opinions in the replies, I quite enjoy talking abt this kind of stuff lol.

@FrigidOfDoom I will say though, that L still doesn’t seem to be a complete emotionless sociopath given that he seemed genuinely distraught when one of his agents died and that he went out of his way to save Matsuda even though he was making things difficult for him. Once again I’m not saying he’s perfect but I think people don’t really give him enough overall credit given that a lot of people seem to assume that he and Light are just as bad as each other which I just simply don’t think is completely true. I know that his immediate choice to spy on people and hold people prisoner and his whole casual approach to the whole thing might seem questionable, which it is, but as I said before, Misa just didn’t care less after L was supposedly holding her prisoner for months so I don’t know if that’s really a completely reliable method of reading what a character is really thinking. Maybe I’m just giving him too much credit though but still.

@L. Price tag. As I stated in my original comment, L did not have enough evidence to arrest Misa. The only piece of evidence he had was that apparently they found some of her DNA with the packaging used for the tapes sent to Sakura TV. Even if it is a 100% match, which is extremely rare, forensic evidence like this is not viable in court. It could have been planted there or there can be multiple people with DNA so similar that our machines cannot tell the difference between them and we don't have everyone's DNA examined and on file. The only purpose of these kinds of evidence is to give a direction in which the investigators can start looking. It makes her a suspect but it is FAR from damning evidence. And even so, torturing anyone is illegal. If their crime is bad enough they will be put on death row, where they will receive a quick, painless death. And L does not have authority to carry out legal judgement. He is an investigator, not a judge.

"I’m not saying that L was a perfect hero, he was going to allow people to die after all. But the thing is that I can’t really blame him considering what they were up against."
This is where things will really start to differ from person to person. Most people have a line where they believe it's okay to commit an immoral act if it is to prevent an even more immoral act or acts from happening. Honestly, given the situation of near inevitable world control being given to Kira I'd agree that it's worth commiting some normally immoral acts to prevent that from happening. My issue comes, however, not in just the acts commited, but in the way they are commited. I don't recall L often saying "I don't like doing this" or "Circumstances have forced me to this point" or even showing much reluctance to the terrible things he does. He seems to do them with no problem, like it's just another day for him, implying that he would do these things normally anyway as long as they were a more effective way to get results.

@FrigidOfDoom fair enough. Misa herself wasn’t exactly innocent though and there was undeniable proof that she was the second Kira, so she’s not really a completely harmless civilian. Like I said, I’m not saying that L was a perfect hero, he was going to allow people to die after all. But the thing is that I can’t really blame him considering what they were up against. That’s why I don’t really have too much of an issue with Misa’s psychological torture because she was definitely evil herself and what she knows could potentially save the world from global oppression. Still kind of extreme though. I don’t think that Mello was at all heroic or redeemed himself, I was just just saying that because a lot of people seem to think that his sacrifice at the end made up for it, but I don’t agree. He kills several innocent agents and traumatised a young girl. I take issue with this and not Misa’s torture because Sayu was actually innocent.

@L. Price tag. You don't have to be peeling someone's fingernails off to be torturing them. Putting psychological pressure on them and keeping them in an almost sensory depraved state for months is absolutely torture. A large majority of people would have PTSD for the rest of their lives from what Misa went through. How she isn't disturbed is beyond me, though I guess she already has several mental issues. Honestly with the way she acts afterwards it seems like her mind completely dumped all memories of the incident just so that she could remain somewhat sane.

Also no, one good action (which I don't even see what he did as fully altruistic), even if it costs you your life, does not make up for the careless murder of tens of innocents. Mello is not redeemed. If he had survived what he did I would still have put him in prison for the rest of his life,  on death row preferably.

@FrigidOfDoom He didn’t really torture Misa though. Sure, he was holding her captive for months and putting her under psychological pressure, but he wasn’t necessarily torturing her. Besides, Misa literally couldn’t care less about the whole thing when she was released which would indicate that what she went through wasn’t really that bad. I’m not saying L’s a full on perfect hero, he definitely isn’t, but I think people often make him out to be far worse than he is. Although, I do agree that Mello was more of a villain, even if he does kind of redeem himself in the end.

@Pepsi Man Light was going completely out of control with his power. It was implied that he was going to kill people basically just for being lazy and already approved of the deaths of his own subordinates because they simply weren’t portraying him the way he wanted. Had Light continued, he would have made a global dictatorship which would have been much worse to live in than it was without crime and the creators of Deathnote themselves basically said that Light was probably the most evil character in the story. Near actually saved humanity from the oppression of an immature, narcissistic sociopath and the only reason a large portion of the fandom says otherwise is because the story is told from Light’s perspective.

@Mr. Friendship Yeah, it does depend a lot on the player. Going by story alone, CJ and Franklin aren’t that bad, even if they are criminals but characters like Trevor or Tommy Vercetti are definitely villains.

@L. Price tag. Carl Johnson is considered to be more of an anti-hero because, he maybe living in a life of crime, but he's nowhere as cruel as other GTA characters (depending on the player) and he cared about his family.

@GoldenBunnies I understand your position, but man, even the first time I watched the show, when he tortured Misa I just couldn't think of him as a hero any more. At least for me that's where he crosses the line from bending the rules to outright breaking them. He just does whatever he wants and that world is lucky he usually wants to crack cases that will lead to stopping bad people from doing more bad things.

I suppose I can concede that his goal is not to be the smartest person in the world but that's not incredibly different from him wanting to crack the hardest case there is.

But even look at his successors. Obviously Mello has no moral code, he leads a crime gang and when he gets the death node just straight up murders like a dozen innocent investigators because his goal was just to crack the case before N did.

I'd have to re-watch a few episodes to call out specific references but N does seem to at least have an inkling of care that Kira plans to take over the world and wants to stop that, but the impression I got is that his main goal was just to prove that he was a worthy successor to L by cracking the case L could not. Also N seems to have the same lack of empathy L did. When his team dies around him he shows nothing. No sadness, no regret, no guilt for not being able to protect them. Nothing. He is completely devoid of all care for human life.

Maybe my morals are different from most, but not caring about how much life is lost is the absolute worst a person can be. I just cannot identify anyone like that as anything but a villain.

The Japanese police however, are all heroes to me. All of them pursue the Kira case because they cannot allow Kira to create the new world in his image. They all put their lives on the line despite some of them being underqualified for the job and every time there is a situation that puts more lives at risk they do not hesitate to endanger themselves further to try and protect them. And now that I think about it, the fact that the police are such heroes and they are working with L and rarely condemn his actions makes it much easier to think of L as a hero.

@GoldenBunnies L and Near are more like heroic antagonists, since they aren't evil but they are opposing Light, the protagonist of the show. I wouldn't really say they're the same as Zuko since what Zuko is trying to do IS evil (kidnapping the avatar and such) but Zuko isn't evil himself.

@FrigidOfDoom very true, except personally, i still don’t exactly see L as a villain, like I don’t think it’s a battle between two villains, because L def doesn’t want to be the smartest person in the world, he just wants to crack the case, and will use any means to do so. L has never really cared abt being the smartest, sure he might not rlly care abt Kira and how he’s dictator, and doesn’t want to stop him for any reason other than solving the case, but that’s it. He just likes the challenge of trying to solve a case. Especially one like the Kira case.He more so bends the rules than break them, so personally he teeters on villain for me. He obviously isn’t exactly a good guy, but I wouldn’t say he’s a villain either. Idk just my two cents.

@Z Z well, overall light IS the villain, def, and while L or near could be considered villains because from lights perspective, (and the story’s POV) they ARE. however they seem more like Zuko, the opposing force rather than villain, to be the conflict for our protagonist, but not necessarily villains.

@fralegend015 I wasn't responding to you, I was just adding another talking point to the conversation. Something interesting I thought about and figured this would be the section where people would talk about it

@FrigidOfDoom Alright bro I gotta give you a round of applause for this one. I've always been aware that he's willing to bend rules, but the way you layed it down is mind blowing.

@FrigidOfDoom Where did I say it was a fight between an hero and a villain? Because I never said such a thing. What you said is totally irrevelant to what I said.

I've watched death note 5 times through now. The most recent time I watched it I did so with one of my brothers who hadn't seen it before and he pointed out an interesting perspective to me.

L isn't really a good guy. He has a complete disregard for the law and doesn't seem to value life much either. He is guilty of invasion of privacy by placing cameras in the Yagami and (I can't recall the other family name) households. He didn't even go talk to the Japanese government or police about getting permission, he just did it. And no, just because the Yagami family's father says it's alright does not mean it's legal. Imagine how pissed off you'd be if you found out that your father approved of putting cameras in your house, including your bedroom and all the bathrooms. And secondly he is guilty of torture and harassment when he "arrests" Misa, straps her down in a straight jacket, blindfolds her and keeps her in place  with no outside contact for months with only a small amount of forensic evidence that would not fly in court. Not to mention we learn that he is willing to work with known criminals because it benefits him and he didn't just decide that because the Kira case is so hard to crack, he's obviously known these people for a while and has worked with them before. I'm not even sure I'd consider him an anti hero, because I don't see his goals as altruistic. He isn't trying to stop Kira because it's the right thing to do and he sees Kira as a horrible person. He's trying to stop him because L needs to prove that he's the best. No-one will outsmart him, he is the #1 (and #2 and #3) detective in the world. This case fascinates him and he is driven more by the fact that he's enjoying having a near equal of intelligence to fight against than he is by wanting to save the world from being placed under a dictator who will have literally every human being fear for their life on a daily basis.

We only call L the hero because he's trying to stop someone that is so obviously a villain that despite how villainous L acts he doesn't even compare. So I don't see it as a fight between hero and villain. I see it as a fight between two villains, one is just trying to take over the world while the other just wants to be the smartest person there is no matter what he has to do to prove that.

@Prital Bamnodkar An antivillain is a villain that thinks what he is doing is right, so Light is just an antivillain.

100%. I remember a family friend of mine once told me that ATLAB was truly about Zuko finding himself and realizing Iroh is all the family he will ever need, but was brilliantly placed in the background of the events Aang and his friends are up to. I wish I could word it the way he did, it was absolutely brilliant.

Light actually stands between an antihero and an antivillain. If we take an Antihero as someone who does heroic things for bad reasons (like Saitama who is an hero for his entertainment) and an Antivillain who does bad things but for good reasons, Light would stand between those two archetypes. His Goal is to create a Crime free utopia, which is a noble goal, but his motivation is that he wants to be accepted as a God for achieving that. That makes him an Anti-hero initially, but then he also starts killing innocent people he considers a threat to him which shifts him towards the antivillain side of the spectrum.

thats debatable as the manga ending of death note was essentially light was right and near damned humanity as the world that was once fearful of of lights power devolved into chaos once they heard he died

Everyone knows zuko isn't the villain, the true villain is aang. Poor cabbage man :<

@GoldenBunnies True. Zuko stopped being the villain to me when Iroh shared that story about how Zuko got his scar and why he was banished and forced to hunt down the avatar. Zuko was just a boy desperate for his father's love and approval. Zuko just wanted to restore his honor. He just wanted to be accepted back by his father and his nation. He had to realize that he didn't fail his father, his father failed him.

@Poké- Champ There are different variations of what a villain is, I'm just getting at the point of protagonists being villains.

@Z Zbut you always have to differentiate between the two uses of villain. The one just for stories for the antagonist like zuko and the normal meaning of villain as in a despicable horrible person like light yagami

Protagonist just means "leading character" aka MC. Any protag can be a villain, therefore Light WAS the villain.

@L. Price tag. exactly, he’s a ‘villain’ , yet is the protagonist

I think Light was unquestionably still the villain despite being the protagonist. Similar to Arthur Fleck from Joker or almost any GTA protagonist.


7:55
Damn, you missed the chance to call this segment "Mann vs. Machine" lol


This is an awesome and one of my favorite ever videos on youtube!<br>"Good Job"

This is an awesome and one of my favorite ever videos on youtube!
"Good Job"


Dang there are so many good villains I wish he could do more


18:00 I didn't expect to see DOOM in here but man was I glad to see it. Great video


I grew up and realized that Jerry the mouse was the villain all along.

Can’t they both just hold hands and sing songs about peace?

@AlphaTengua VENTz For starters, both Tom and Jerry are the protagonists who antagonized each other. Let's not forget that Tom can't live without Jerry.

@Rocky Croods no need to get so political my guy

@Rocky Croods no need to get so political my guy

I always hated Jerry, even as a kid. Maybe it was because I started watching cartoons like that a little late

@Nergal ❤ I was always disappointed when he didn't even though I knew it wasn't gonna happen

i always wanted tom to finish jerry, i hated that mouse lol

Funnily enough I always rooted for Tom and characters like him.

@Rocky Croods I guess better to be a „normie“ than a freak stuck on „hE tRieD tO EaT JeRrY“ in a loop

This is to anyone who think's Tom isn't evil;
Look, i always liked Tom more too... But you can't just say "he's a cat" and expect that to not make him evil...
That's not how evil works... You don't need to understand what evil is to do evil things...
That's frankly an EXTREMELY dangerous way to think, as you are somewhat unconsciously justifying horrific acts just because "it's natural"... (or something along those lines)

I love cats, and i love eating meat, but justifying hunting another living being just because it's what predators do is morally speaking just disgusting... At least most humans want to, and *do*, let our "prey" live good lives before we eat them... I know that's not always the reality, but still... Nature is, in fact, pretty fucking evil...

Thank you for comming to my Tom & Jerry Ted talk, lol
(but seriously though)

This is to anyone who think's Tom isn't evil;
Look, i always liked Tom more too... But you can't just say "he's a cat" and expect that to *not* make him evil...
That's not how evil works... You don't need to understand what evil is to do evil things...
That's frankly an *EXTREMELY* dangerous way to think, as you are somewhat unconsciously justifying horrific acts just because "it's natural"... (or something along those lines)

I love cats, and i love eating meat, but justifying hunting another living being just because it's what predators do is morally speaking just disgusting... At least most humans want to, and *do*, let our "prey" live good lives before we eat them... I know that's not always the reality, but still... Nature is, in fact, pretty fucking evil...

Thank you for comming to my Tom & Jerry Ted talk, lol
(but seriously though)

Finally. Someone. I hated that mouse when i was watching it.

I thought that the actually plot was that Tom and Jerry are friends, but they have to fight so that Tom doesn’t get thrown out.

@Rocky Croods im probably less of a normie than you are

@Rocky Croods you have never seen the show lol. Or maybe you saw the shitty reboot were jerry is good

Even as a child, I could see that Jerry was just getting in Tom's way of living a peaceful life.

There were some episodes where Tom totally deserved it, however.

@Rocky Croods And you are forgetting that Jerry constantly torments Tom. They both do terrible things to each other. It's not just that Jerry runs because Tom is trying to eat him, sometimes Tom chases him because Jerry steals stuff like cheese or something.

I always routed for Tom as a kid, just like i always routed for Squidward as a kid

@Rocky Croods I’m saying it to you because you are basically saying Tom is evil

@Rocky Croods because you kept saying Tom was against jerry and trying to eat him

@Rocky Croods dude you realize that jerry and Tom are best friends. Like in one episode jerry fakes death and tom gets out a prepared med kit to save him. It was shown in the movie their best friends. There’s a theory that Tom pretends to chase jerry so he doesn’t get kicked out of the house if he doesn’t chase or try to kill jerry

lmao honestly i just thought tom and jerry were friends, never thought of them as "hero" or "villain", and all the fights were how friends fight, and was just fooling around. idk

@Rocky Croods tom trying to eat jerry is not evil its just nature. Just like a lion eating a zebra or a spider eating a fly. Its just the natural order. And niether is good or evil. They are just the protagonist and antagonist  of their story the oposing forces, like discuss in de video here.

@Nergal ❤ interesting. I guess that makes you the odd one out

@AlphaTengua VENTz oh wow, a whole paragraph....LMAO

@adeleine the artist to quote Edward Nigma “Fascinating”

@Real_Slim_Shady I rooted for both Tom and Jerry at the same time.

@Rocky Croods And Jerry tries to escape from Tom.

@Rocky Croods And Jerry tries to escape from Tom.

@Rocky Croods well one he is a cat 2 have you seen the shit Jerry did to tom? Even when tom was minding his own business

@Rocky Croods Jerry may be good, but Tom may not be good as well. From my perspective, both Tom and Jerry are neutral.

lmao i aint gonna lie as a kid i wanted tom to kill jerry

@Rocky Croods tom was constantly mocked, betrayed, fooled, made fun of , berated, abused, isolated, etc. He became jealous and crazed. When he couldn't even catch a single mouse and the mouse mocked him for it, it became personal and tom was determined to prove himself against something. Im pretty sure the owner expected tom to catch mice "OR ELSE" so ...tom isn't really a villain. he's a cat. cats eat and hunt mice. that is what they do. and that is what they were used for, for a long time. Mice bring disease and stink up our house and food, they chew holes in shit, and if you save them they are ungrateful. (mice, not rats, we all know rats can be good and wholesome).  Jerry thinks its fun and games and berates the poor cat, tom just wants a win and to live. Ofc, his attitude and response to things tend to backfire on him, so tom accidently causes his own downfall sometimes but that's really hard to control or understand especially for a cat. so its not fair to call him a villain imho... also considering that this is the humans house/land and they have a cat they want to keep "dirty mice" from stuff, then yes, in retrospect Tom is the Protaganist and jerry is the villain/antagonist (antagonising the humans land/food etc and the cat.), Invading someones home to make it his own he doesn't care, he is selfish and takes what he wants and laughs about it. while the good guy tries hard to defend his place and get a meal or survive.  but his actions make him more  antihero like or antivillain? :/ not sure... Now SYLVESTER is another story, he goes after a bird that rightfully is there by the human. so that is (her?) home too.

@Rocky Croods because jerry was bothering him too much and getting him In trouble

All Tom wanted was peace and quiet but he kept getting beated and tortured

Yeah as a child I was rooting for  Jerry as an adult I realized  how  annoying  he was.


I remember a show I watched I don’t recall the name where the hero has defeated numerous villains and has time and time again been able to save society but once the threats of the numerous villains to society has ended his role becomes unnecessary
Yet he is unable to step down from his role constantly attempting to prove his worth and continue including himself in the society that doesn’t want him anymore
Eventually he resides once he sits in the presidents chair with the very allies he once fought with outside trying to stop him he acknowledges that he is the villain


As children, we loved the heroes.<br>As adults, we understand the villain

As children, we loved the heroes.
As adults, we understand the villain


I would not be able to say "Man vs. Society" confidently or without laughing. I'm sorry, The video is still great though haha.

Makes sense considering you have a sans pfp


"There is no point of "Heroes" in a story if there is no one to oppose them, because, after all, every good story needs a villain."<br>-joker probably

"There is no point of "Heroes" in a story if there is no one to oppose them, because, after all, every good story needs a villain."
-joker probably