dr. doofenshmirtz is also a villain that comes to mind. he was just a man who was so hurt and deprived of his family's love, which caused him to turn to the "bad" side. even though it's a kids' show, they really did make a great villain who we could sympathize for and love in a way.

@George Uferov Protagonist doesn't mean hero, and antagonist doesn't mean villain. He is a mad an angry scientist who just wants recognition for his genius and to live his life without wallowing in obscurity. But it doesn't change the fact that his primary method before ultimately deciding he'd rather just hang out with his main foe and best friend was global Tri-state Area subjugation.

@George Uferov Protagonist doesn't mean hero, and antagonist doesn't mean villain. He is -a mad- an angry scientist who just wants recognition for his genius and to live his life without wallowing in obscurity. But it doesn't change the fact that his primary method before ultimately deciding he'd rather just hang out with his main foe and best friend was -global- Tri-state Area subjugation.

Dr. doof is a great father to his daughter and a good husband to his ex wife i mean his ex wife has nothing against him

His parents weren't even there at his BIRTH. What!?

His parents weren't even there at his BIRTH. What!?

he may be a "villain" but he's the greatest Dad you can ever see

@George Uferov His own daughter, during the events of the series finale, called him, “a good guy who convinced himself that he’s a bad guy”.

I mean half of the doofs inventions I'd buy in a heartbeat lmao. Alot of his inventions wernt even for bad causes, like bright ass sign being right outside his window. Anybody would want that thing gone

I would t call him a villain more of a "wannabe bad guy" although he did do "evil" actions in his heart he was actually a good person who did bad things
His evil actions were rooted in deep childhood trauma like:
Being acknowledged as an object by his parents
His brother getting all the attention and being the apple of his parents eye
Neither do his parents arriving for his birth (serious)

He did his best to be a dad and he was in fact there for his daughter and supported and protected her all the way even though he was going through hard times with his wife

Name a character who has a more traumatic childhood than dr.D

I recommend you watch Batman under the red hood sad scene

I recommend you watch Batman under the red hood sad scene

@kookoo i just notice doof and perry has a somewhat similar relationship with batman and the joker

@George Uferov who says the protagonist cant be the villain?

"my mother didn't even come to my birth"

"my mother didn't even come to my birth"

That's very superficial, but not implausible

That's very superficial, but not implausible

"We'll never understand psychopaths"
Me, sb who understands both parties:
Are you sur about that

I could see him like a cry for help, he could do awful thing but he only ever bothers his brother and ands self destruct buttons an every “weapon” he makes

I've always loved Dr Doofenshmirtz he was funny and very sympathetic I remember screaming as a kid stop putting self-destruct buttons on your machines like why would you put that there I understand now because it's a kid show you got to sort of keep that dynamic going but as a kid I will always just yell at him bro stop

He never crossed me as a villain type. More of the village idiot.

There’s no one who doesn’t love dr. doofenshmirtz

There’s no one who doesn’t love dr. doofenshmirtz

His family hated him so much they gave him a name worse than Eugene

@Simperor Bubba _link  He kind of reminds me of megamind, a guy who thinks he is evil, but actually isn't.

vanessa made him realise that he wasn't really a villain, he was just a nice guy pretending to be one.

@Holy Cow aww ur so sweet T•T having someone comment that is like the sweetest feeling ever tyy <33

He’s a normal guy, who happens to have a knack for building evil inventions.

batman is not a villian he is somewhere in between. Did Batman let his darkness dictate his actions? Yes, but he used that anger and hatred for morally good actions but 'these actions are 'bad' in the eyes of a law thus making him a vigilante

@Simperor Bubba _link even then, it's only to take it from his brother to show his parents that he's capable as well.

no no, he's only mad because he forgot to buy the self-destruct button one time

When he was born, his parents forgot to show up

When he was born, his parents forgot to show up

They made 10 year old me feel bad for someone I was I thought I was supposed to hate.

I know, poor mans parents weren’t even at his birth 😞

I know, poor mans parents weren’t even at his birth 😞

plus, because of the neglect he faced as a young child, he makes sure to love and provide for vanessa no matter what.

He's also petty, hilarious, and terrible at being evil. I love him.

He only do bad things to show his gadget to his friend Perry

He only do bad things to show his gadget to his friend Perry

He was like Vanessa said "A nice guy pretending to be a bad guy"

@TBK_Official I'm German and the only real german word in Doofenshmirtz is "doof" but I thought about it and it actually sounds similar to "doof in Schmerz", which would basically mean "fool in pain" (it isn't grammatically correct tho cause "doof" is an adjective)

Yeah his mother didn't show up to his birth very sad

Yeah his mother didn't show up to his birth very sad

Man vs Family? He had such a bad past, and even though it appears everybody rejects him, he really does care for his daughter and would do anything to make sure she doesn't have to feel like he did when he was young.

@Simperor Bubba _link even then he doesn’t actually want to take over the tri-state area, he wants to almost take it over but have perry the platypus thwart his evil plans and curse him and do it again the next day

Even though he's a villain, he cares for her daughter

Even though he's a villain, he cares for her daughter

or better, kingpin from spiderman that scene where miles defeats him in the spider verse is amazing

He is a wholesome man who is obsessed with the idea of being a villain, but even then he limits himself to only the tri-state area

The thing is - doofenshmirtz is not actually a villain, he's just as much a protagonist as Perry, maybe even more


I believe the correct term is actually "empathy", not "sympathy". You don't feel bad for the villain, you understand and connect with the villain.

As others have mentioned here he is probably referencing the Rolling Stones song "Sympathy for The Devil" which actually starts playing at 1:18 (although this is an 8-bit version of it).

That’s basically Batman’s view of Joker. He has went through pain and suffering, yet he still doesn’t kill him.

Of course, the consequences would be dire, such as Jason becoming Red Hood and eventually dying.

@Gabriel Is Ant How? Sympathy is feeling sorry for someone but not understanding how they feel. Empathy is feeling for someone because you understand or trying to understand them.

i think he wanted to reference that one rolling stones song, and i also think sympathy makes more sense

@Beplex Sympathy is to pity the villian
Empathy is to relate to the villian
I can't relate to being half burned by lava and revived in a techno torture suit but I can simply sympatize with Vader's Pain. I can however empathize with Joaquin Phoenix's Joker's Journey through his life and empathize with his road to villiany and chaos.

@Okabe Rintaro Don't go nuts man, otherwise you'll wind up the villian and hurt people. Just hold on, it's a mad mad world but giving into it doesn't fix anything.

Thats only the asperger/schizoid social rejects such as me who cried in the theatre for Joker because I saw the man as a mirror into the future of who I could become if things became even worse with me. I personally related to more than a few scenes... Now that I think about it, seeing that movie might have affected me way more than I cared to admit until now. I was disliked, made fun of and bullied throughout all of my childhood, the COVID shit was a fucking blessing for me because I had an excuse to lock myself away from the world that seemingly hated me for no reason at all or at least for one I could never understand... I had an excuse to not interact with anybody because people only ever hurt me. I threw a fit the day when COVID "ended" and I was supposed to go back to school physically, I refused to be seen by anyone and risk the chance of embarrasment or being mocked by strangers and being looked at on the street for unknown reasons probably relating to appearance... one day I will either snap or get the strength to anhero myself at last...

if you dont fell bad for zuko then idk who you are

Sympathy is to willingly suffer with those who are suffering

@Aleczen You're probably right, he's into that stuff and I would totally make that sort of reference myself

The people already have responded well to this, but I also wanna add, that the title seems like a very obvious reference to "Sympathy For The Devil", a classic rolling stones song, sang from the perspective of satan. Or maybe it's just a coincidence, but it's such a well known song that I doubt it.

@José Luis Yeah, I sorta just threw names out there

@Beplex Chigurh and alot of versions of the Joker are pure evil, those are not sympathetic villains. More sympathetic villains would be guys like Vulture (MCU), Tai Lung, Magneto, Darth Vader

Not really, you empathize for the hero because you can relate to them more often. I can't relate very well to being a psychopath like Chigurh, or killing people like joker. You sympathize for them because, although you cannot relate personally, you can feel bad and understand their motivations. There are exceptions though, like Zuko. But empathy is commiserating on a personal level, and sympathy is for commiserating based on your viewpoint.


The way the media acted towards Joker (2019) made the actual movie so much better. The elite will gleefully watch an entire nation burn to the ground, but loses their shit when even a hint of animosity is directed their way.

@omnipotentbanana I'm sorry but you don't have a fIlMmAkInG pErSpEcTiNg 💀 everyone forgot it after it won an award.

@omnipotentbanana I'm sorry but you don't have a fIlMmAkInG pErSpEcTiNg 💀 everyone forgot it after it won an award.

@RED I dont care if you didn't like it, from a filmmaking perspective it was an objectively better movie. I can also claim that avengers endgame is a better movie than  full metal jacket, and I have the right to that opinion. But its still wrong.

@omnipotentbanana Parasite wasn't a good movie, it was forgettable

@omnipotentbanana Parasite wasn't a good movie, it was forgettable

@RED Parasite was a better movie. It had better cinematography and directing, and better acting by everybody except Joaquin

@omnipotentbanana sorry but Joker was way more iconic, I can't even remember Parasite and I've watched it more than joker

@omnipotentbanana sorry but Joker was way more iconic, I can't even remember Parasite and I've watched it more than joker

@Wrong Thinker God, you really are a wrong thinker.

@Wrong Thinker God, you really are a wrong thinker.

@Wrong Thinker Defending the ideology? He quite literally said that socialist states are complete failures, which is why he <b>ISN'T</b> a socialist.

@Wrong Thinker Defending the ideology? He quite literally said that socialist states are complete failures, which is why he *ISN'T* a socialist.

@Red Tide Peter Jackson did the same thing with LOTR. Thankfully though there are the extended editions.

@Red Tide Peter Jackson did the same thing with LOTR. Thankfully though there are the extended editions.

@Astrospect No. It's about the lack of compassion and understanding people have for each other, and refusal to step outside of our societal roles, hesitating to help others in their time of need. The perfect example is when the downtrodden social worker understands Arthur's situation but refuses to go the extra mile to prevent the downward spiral she knows is coming. When the rioters herald Arthur, they don't do it because they actually care about him, they do it because he murdered rich people. The lack of compassion between the rich and poor goes both ways, just like real life. And in typical Joker fashion, Arthur doesn't participate in the sociopolitical struggle backdrop, he rides on it.

@The KYLE Projekt it's literally about the working class and disaffected rising up against the rich. You don't know what youre talking about.

@Astrospect joker has nothing to do with socialism but nice bait comment

@Astrospect joker has nothing to do with socialism but nice bait comment

Critics: Thos movie is bad because it encourages violence! <br>Public response: Man we should be kinder to others and be more responsive to mental health because we never know what people are going through.

Critics: Thos movie is bad because it encourages violence!
Public response: Man we should be kinder to others and be more responsive to mental health because we never know what people are going through.

@Mousazz its because parasite was an anime before getting a korean adaptation which  they took out a load of story and plot for the sake of a shorter run time

@Wrong Thinker i have to say my man that bait is incredible, id put out some myself by agreeing with you but ima see how long yours keeps working

Yiddle me this, yiddle me who, who cries out in pain as they strike you?

Yiddle me this, yiddle me who, who cries out in pain as they strike you?

@Wrong Thinker what way to stand for your name

@Wrong Thinker what way to stand for your name

@ericmm13 That's really cool and all, but I'm not a stand-in for your dad.

@ericmm13 That's really cool and all, but I'm not a stand-in for your dad.

@ericmm13 It's funny when worms try to imitate humans.

@ericmm13 It's funny when worms try to imitate humans.

And even though it was brought to everyones attention again in the form of a movie almost nobody has changed from it we truly live in a society RIP

@Wrong Thinker alr bro lemme give you one in your style<br>"Fuck the world everyones wrong im right LNAOLNAOLPLLLLOLOLOOLLLOLOLMAOLMAO!!!!11!11!1!"

@Wrong Thinker alr bro lemme give you one in your style
"Fuck the world everyones wrong im right LNAOLNAOLPLLLLOLOLOOLLLOLOLMAOLMAO!!!!11!11!1!"

@omnipotentbanana ur good, my english teacher would love you

@omnipotentbanana ur good, my english teacher would love you

With the Joker you actually understand his point of view. Also, it’s amazing how much people are attracted to the other psycho charisma.

That's why most "hero" super movies are actually based on the villian, but with layered sarcasm. The "hero" in "hero" movies are always an A-hole, displaying himself as the "good guy", this is all charades for the public ofc. The good guy never wins, only in movies. That's the whole internal joke about it.

@Wrong Thinker there is a difference between communism and socialism and democratic socialism. i dont even endorse communism or socialism but you sound like a typical 4chan/reddit guy.

@Wrong Thinker you're like Alex Jones levels of off your rocker, and the funniest part is that you think you're clever, when literally everyone is laughing at you lol.

@Astrospect > defends socialism
> "I'm not socialist REEEE"
Can you not be an insult to tapeworms?

@Astrospect > defends socialism
> "I'm not socialist REEEE"
Can you not be an insult to tapeworms?

@poopy pants i can take it seriously as someone who's fucking mental ya know? I really liked the movie myself.

@poopy pants i can take it seriously as someone who's fucking mental ya know? I really liked the movie myself.

@Wrong Thinker dude you're not paying attention. He has said explicitly that he is not a socialist, and hasn't once defended it. Can you read or has the paranoia finally driven you insane?

@omnipotentbanana It depends on how progressive you are. Not being racist and outwardly bigoted is mainstream, sure, but hating white people isn't mainstream... yet.

@Astrospect It is definitely a socialist wish fulfillment movie 100%. And unfortunately the dialogue from the joker is really fucking terrible like it’s really bad he’s so cringe he to listen to and it’s not even the performance it’s just the actual words that come out of his mouth you could never take seriously

@I Warned You actually there have been successful socialist revolutions, the zapatistas and revolutionary catalonia both had success. Catalonia eventually fell due to external issues, but it stood strong for years. Also, many civilizations before recorded history practiced a primitive form of what we now call communism. The invention of currency eventually led to the system we have now. Anyways, this is all proof that communism can work, although I would personally like to see a first world country pull it off successfully before I'm fully on board. Regardless, moving left is the future we're headed towards. All of our peers in Europe are transitioning, and we will likely be next.

@Wrong Thinker damn you're really living up to your name

@Wrong Thinker damn you're really living up to your name

the joker wasn't as political as people think, it just shows how mass/serial killers are made

the joker wasn't as political as people think, it just shows how mass/serial killers are made

they just hated it because of what happened with batman in aurora colorado that one time

they just hated it because of what happened with batman in aurora colorado that one time

I’m glad that the media reacted to Joker (2019) the way it did.

It proved the movie right.

I’m glad that the media reacted to Joker (2019) the way it did.

It proved the movie right.

I thought it was just a average movie. Not sure why everyone loved it so much??

I thought it was just a average movie. Not sure why everyone loved it so much??

funnily it was a bit of ARG marketing for the movie

funnily it was a bit of ARG marketing for the movie

I fucking love the media. Portraying the Joker like a ticking time bomb where violence could occur if the movie was released. <br>And all it did was make people dance down some stairs. One fight broke out at the theatre and it was blamed on the Joker movie, yet it had nothing to do with that movie.

I fucking love the media. Portraying the Joker like a ticking time bomb where violence could occur if the movie was released.
And all it did was make people dance down some stairs. One fight broke out at the theatre and it was blamed on the Joker movie, yet it had nothing to do with that movie.

@Wrong Thinker It applies to you as well

@Wrong Thinker It applies to you as well

@Arksiane China.<br>Good job catching the typo.

@Arksiane China.
Good job catching the typo.

@Wrong Thinker Fucking love this shit man keep going your putting a giant smile on my face as we speek.

@Wrong Thinker Fucking love this shit man keep going your putting a giant smile on my face as we speek.

@Tembie G And of course, the usual "I'm gonna run away soiling my diaper but pretending I won" shtick.

@Tembie G And of course, the usual "I'm gonna run away soiling my diaper but pretending I won" shtick.

@Wrong Thinker yep thats the internet spectacle I was hoping for. As fresh as it is stale. Thankyou for bestowing upon me the chance to consume your words.

@Wrong Thinker emphasis on why I said etc. Also go figures I should've expected the "educate yourself, 100 bajillion dead" rebuttal would have been pulled out almkst immediately. And even if that were true why would it have mattered. Where are all these stats even coming from anyhow cus I'd like to see some primary sources that aren't just tallying up every single death that happened from disease and famine and going "100 million dead"

@Tembie G Great leap forward was Mao's China. Why don't you get through middle school history before you try to lecture me on anything.
Also, really? That's literally deaths on the level of WW2 except during peacetime
But go ahead, tell me how concentration camps are just cultural differences.

@Tembie G Great leap forward was Mao's China. Why don't you get through middle school history before you try to lecture me on anything.
Also, really? That's literally deaths on the level of WW2 except *during peacetime*
But go ahead, tell me how concentration camps are just cultural differences.

@omnipotentbanana Oh no, the guy defending an ideology that killed over 100 million people in less than 70 years, without counting the results of warfare, thinks I'm bad? Whatever shall I do.

@Wrong Thinker That's how it most often turns out. Even though i find your worldview repulsive there is no denying that socialist states historically almost always end as failures, that is why I am not a socialist.

@omnipotentbanana thanks for suggesting parasite. i enjoyed that movie, its unrealistic in some parts but it was cool to watch

@Wrong Thinker Real socialism doesn't work, if anything i think the positions of AOC and Bernie are far more sympathetic than those of communists and socialists. Since i live in a social democracy myself. But they are quite objectively not socialists.

@omnipotentbanana "REEEE not real socialism"<br>Good job proving my point.

@omnipotentbanana "REEEE not real socialism"
Good job proving my point.

@Wrong Thinker If progressivism was not accepted by the mainstream public, people wouldn't vote democrat, as the only real differences between the democratic and republican parties lie in how they approach cultural issues, with the Republicans taking a more conservative stance and the democrats taking a progressive stance. When it comes to issues that actually matter like foreign policy and economics, they're essentially the same party.

@Wrong Thinker No, socialism is just any system where the workers are the ones in control of the means of production. Many socialist ideologies are very explicitly anti authoritarian, both the concept of libertarianism and anarchism are originally left wing. That being said I am not a socialist myself, you just don't know what socialism is. There is not a single influential American politician who is a socialist, so i don't think it's something you have to worry about. Both Bernie and AOC are social democrats, which is a capitalist ideology that just has a bigger focus on welfare.

@Mousazz A lot of people disagree with you, but its a matter of taste, and perhaps a personal connection to the topic. A young white american man is almost always going to relate more to joker than to an extremely poor south korean family. That's not bad or good, its just human nature, we typically appreciate things more if they speak to us personally.

@omnipotentbanana
Parasite sucked. I walked away from the movie deeply dissapointed over how it under-delivered.
Or maybe I'm bigoted against South Korean culture, I dunno. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@Sid Lukkassen lmao who did this? I must have missed this during the time

@Sid Lukkassen lmao who did this? I must have missed this during the time

Joker is overrated, it is not as insightful or transformative as it pretends to be when you look at its writing and story. And i personally believe that parasite, the movie that won the Oscar that year was a far better social critique and a better movie in general. However i will say that Joaquin Phoenix's acting was an amazing accomplishment and a career high.

Its even more funny because the Joker is a socialist wet dream revenge film.

Its even more funny because the Joker is a socialist wet dream revenge film.


I'm surprised you didn't mention how in Megamind, the "villain protagonist" tried to create a hero after the last one died, purely because if he didn't have a hero to fight, his life was effectively meaningless.


This video made me think of a phrase I saw in an anime, “if I kill someone I’m the villain, if I kill my enemy I’m the hero” kinda made me realize that is all a matter of perspective. For some you’re the good guy and for some you’re the bad guy.

Similar idea to the finale of Taxi Driver, which heavily inspired Joker. I won't spoil the ending, but I highly recommend you check it out.

nvm just looked it up, tokyo revengers right?


Zuko was the villain because we were watching the show from Aang's point of view.<br>But if we watch the show from the cabbage merchant's point of view, Aang's the true villain.

Zuko was the villain because we were watching the show from Aang's point of view.
But if we watch the show from the cabbage merchant's point of view, Aang's the true villain.

@gavin SPOILER ALERT FOR AOT(sorry 😭) :<br>I believe he means if perspectives were switched we'd see the entire show differently. About how the Eldians see Marleyans as "devil's" and vise versa. They both disagree with each other but simply because of the fact that neither are perfect we have a hard time on knowing who to side with. Although in the beginning of the show we thought that the titans were the villains, but after finding out that they are humans some of us now see them in a different lighting. If something that was once innocent was created into a villain not by choice than who are we to say they are necessarily the "bad guys"? Humanity continues to make titans as a weapon which can be seen as evil and even a little genius. Using the common enemy to defeat the personal enemy is a pretty good play, not morally right but still.

@gavin SPOILER ALERT FOR AOT(sorry 😭) :
I believe he means if perspectives were switched we'd see the entire show differently. About how the Eldians see Marleyans as "devil's" and vise versa. They both disagree with each other but simply because of the fact that neither are perfect we have a hard time on knowing who to side with. Although in the beginning of the show we thought that the titans were the villains, but after finding out that they are humans some of us now see them in a different lighting. If something that was once innocent was created into a villain not by choice than who are we to say they are necessarily the "bad guys"? Humanity continues to make titans as a weapon which can be seen as evil and even a little genius. Using the common enemy to defeat the personal enemy is a pretty good play, not morally right but still.

Actually Aang is not the villain, the Platypus bear is

Actually Aang is not the villain, the Platypus bear is

I did not see that coming. "from the cabbage merchant's point of view" LOL.

"everyone is the hero of their own story"-hansome javk

"everyone is the hero of their own story"-hansome javk

@Ryan x I think Zuko is a rare example of an antivillian tbh he's the only antivillian I can think of off the top of my head actually.

@gavin in aot, well at 4th maybe 3rd season, theres no good sides, theres only evils

That's is so true I totally forgot about that just brought back alot of good memories :)

It's been a while since I've seen such a good comment.

It's been a while since I've seen such a good comment.

@gavin prob about how from the enemy's point of view eren and his friends are all evil

I've got one frame with him holding a cabage

I've got one frame with him holding a cabage

@Devnath Hansda  Kinda was sad Eren didn't get a chance in this vid

@Devnath Hansda  Kinda was sad Eren didn't get a chance in this vid

I mean why is Aang the true villain, he really didnt want to kill the fire lord guy and he didnt

@Ryan x Ozai feels like a more Hardcore Zuko and Azula feels like the absolute worst case scenario Zuko (season one Zuko)

If you watch from the cabbages’ point of view, the cabbage merchant and Aang are two different but opposing villains and Zuko is uninvolved

@Devnath Hansda why you comparing an anime to a cartoon

@Devnath Hansda why you comparing an anime to a cartoon

Not to mention the cabbage merchant’s struggle to grow from a single cart to an entire Cabbage Corp, which was then destroyed by Aang’s next incarnation.

@I ams Smrt what about cabbage mans child in korra or at least I think it's his kid he looks exactly the same and it takes place 30+ years

Until the fire book of course when they were both the good guy

Until the fire book of course when they were both the good guy

Aang reformed the country and from that he got his own gabbage company, so he is thd good and bad

true. Good and bad is from the perspective

true. Good and bad is from the perspective

@Casper_The_UFO Don’t forget that cabbage man made cabbage corp

@Casper_The_UFO Don’t forget that cabbage man made cabbage corp

That's because antagonist and protagonist simply mean that one tries to stop the other, not neccesarily who's good or evil

If you watch it from zuko’s point of view Aang and his sister are the villains

Imho Zuko is not a villain in ATLA. Ozai and Azula are the real villains.

@Jimmy stevenson You are the physical manifestation of the energy in our spirits that gives us the ability to face palm.

When you are content to be simply yourself and don't compare or compete, everyone will respect you. -Lao Tzu ❤<br>⭐ Check out my content ⭐

When you are content to be simply yourself and don't compare or compete, everyone will respect you. -Lao Tzu ❤
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@ହାଇପରବୋରାନ ଚାଡ୍ What

@ହାଇପରବୋରାନ ଚାଡ୍ What

what does a merchant have to do with magic

what does a merchant have to do with magic

ହାଇପରବୋରାନ ଚାଡ୍

@Ellinor Maxwell nah man. No matter how you slice it zuko was the main antagonist of season 1 with zhao only coming later in the last half

@Ryan x exactly!! i've always just seen him as the antihero in earlier seasons definitely not a villain

ok but i think that zuko was never the villain even in the first season zhao was the villain. i always think of zuko as the antihero

@Boody Jacob I did read your comment, and explained why I believe it to be false. At the end of the day its not about screen time that makes the villian its the characters own actions. Zuko trying to capture aang and bring him to the fire nation where he would be killed. is the action of a villian. Aang could have been a total stranger and we still shouldn't be happy to see zuko do this to just some bald kid. it doesn't matter whos point of view we are looking through in this story.

I feel like noooobody is understanding the joke like my god y'all are writing whole paragraphs. Chill

@Jimmy stevenson I don't think you even read my comment.

@Jimmy stevenson I don't think you even read my comment.

no no no noooooo whyyyy!!! it doesn't matter whos point of view we look through it doesn't change the fact that zukos intention to capture the avatar and send him to his death. is wrong and makes him a villain. you can sprinkle the wet shit with sprinkles of sympathetic reasons but doesn't change the shit core reason from being shit.

@EinName is it legal to like all three comments from u the guy above and the guy who replied first here?

@Faris Faiz okay you did not get the joke im sorry

@Faris Faiz okay you did not get the joke im sorry

You think aang is the true villain simply both of them are the protagonist of there story and have antagonist of there story so how does that make aang a villain

Zuko isn't even a villain. Ozai? Yes. Azula? Yes. but when zuko was hunting for the avatar, he wasn't even really aware yet of the implications. he kept finding himself at crossroads until he finally realized what's important and what he wanted. zuko is easy to emphasize with because most of us can imagine ourselves in his shoes. all he knew was the fire nation and being the prince, he was intelligent and naturally talented but outclassed by his sibling. he refused to fight his father like anyone would and he was young and that's all he knew when he was hunting for the avatar. his role wasn't even to constantly terrorize aang, he also freed him at one point while still planning on capturing him. he was also slightly below Aang in bending skill so it wasn't even like when Zuko showed up that we felt any panic for Aang or felt a one sided beatdown was about to happen. (think about naruto as examples of that) plus the rest of the gaang was there too. he was literally barely a teenager sent on a mission to regain his honor within the only life and world he's ever known. of course he'll have some rage inside of him and take awhile to learn what iroh was trying to teach him, spiritually, emotionally and intellectually. even when he was trying to capture Aang, he still had a moral compass. so really i don't see how zuko was ever really a <del>villain</del> in avatar. it's not like he had some scheme, he literally jus wanted his father to accept him and didn't even understand how important the avatar was to the world.

Zuko isn't even a villain. Ozai? Yes. Azula? Yes. but when zuko was hunting for the avatar, he wasn't even really aware yet of the implications. he kept finding himself at crossroads until he finally realized what's important and what he wanted. zuko is easy to emphasize with because most of us can imagine ourselves in his shoes. all he knew was the fire nation and being the prince, he was intelligent and naturally talented but outclassed by his sibling. he refused to fight his father like anyone would and he was young and that's all he knew when he was hunting for the avatar. his role wasn't even to constantly terrorize aang, he also freed him at one point while still planning on capturing him. he was also slightly below Aang in bending skill so it wasn't even like when Zuko showed up that we felt any panic for Aang or felt a one sided beatdown was about to happen. (think about naruto as examples of that) plus the rest of the gaang was there too. he was literally barely a teenager sent on a mission to regain his honor within the only life and world he's ever known. of course he'll have some rage inside of him and take awhile to learn what iroh was trying to teach him, spiritually, emotionally and intellectually. even when he was trying to capture Aang, he still had a moral compass. so really i don't see how zuko was ever really a -villain- in avatar. it's not like he had some scheme, he literally jus wanted his father to accept him and didn't even understand how important the avatar was to the world.

I also love how, eventually, Aang sees Zuko. not Zuko as a villain, just <b>Zuko</b>

I also love how, eventually, Aang sees Zuko. not Zuko as a villain, just *Zuko*

@Casper_The_UFO
That's one of the saddest fanfics ever.
Keep 'em comin' 👍

@Casper_The_UFO
That's one of the saddest fanfics ever.
Keep 'em comin' 👍

"I make a living off cabbage. I grow the cabbage with only the best fertilizer, and every day I carefully tend and water them. When it is time, I harvest the cabbage and put them into my cart very carefully, gently so as not to damage them in any way. I have a family, a wife and two kids. We are very poor, some days we barely make it. The cabbage is the only thing keeping us alive. I cart the cabbage cart around, praying and praying someone will buy my cabbage. Cabbage is not so popular nowadays as it was in the past. While my children are strong, my wife is weak and soon became deathly ill, starving. Every day I come home with the day's work. Somedays it's nothing, so I have to take one of the precious cabbages, the only cabbage I have left, small and not yet ripe. I peel off the leaves, feeding them to my family, ignoring my own hunger. A few months ago, I was selling my cabbages near Ba Sing Se. A kid, with no care for others, knocked over my cart, dirtying my cabbages until they were almost unrecognizable. I had nothing for my family that day. The kid kept on showing up, I think he was following me. The demon continues to knock over my carts. Yesterday, I went home with nothing, only to find my wife dead."

zuko was the villian in really only the start of the series not so much in the end, and he did it only to please his father, right? and let's not get in to the comics

@Eddie3642 why there will never ever be a character as perfect as cabbage man

@The Jungle even toph agrees. twinkle toes is annoying

@The Jungle even toph agrees. twinkle toes is annoying

@The Jungle Sokka, we know it's you Toph is blind

@The Jungle Sokka, we know it's you Toph is blind

@The Jungle ah yes the most villainous fiend of all, the melon lord

@The Jungle ah yes the most villainous fiend of all, the melon lord

Cabbage man, the greatest character ever

Cabbage man, the greatest character ever

@gavin  I think he is talking about the current state with eren and how the tables turned

a bit far fetched haha

@Devnath Hansda what does aot have to do with this

@Devnath Hansda what does aot have to do with this


I think the villain I definitely feel the most sympathy for is Maul, his entire life was shaped by a higher power, both the first and the last time we see him he is still clinging on to the sith philosophy taught to him by someone he hates. Vengeance.

Maul was always controlled. Some person was always one step ahead of him. Kenobi, Sidious. This is why fell to his demise.

what is also notable is that in his last moments after his duel with Obi wan on tatooine in Rebels, he has this soft almost calming tone when he asks about "he who will save us." It was almost like for a very brief moment, we saw maul for who he truly was and not who he was forced to be

@Good lad It's quite confusing exactly who the "main villain" is but Eren Yeager is quite understandable from what I have seen of attack on titan

Try watching Attack on Titan, I can guarantee you'll have sympathy for the villains in it by the end of the show, that is sympathy for whoever you decide the villain is


Hot take; gray area villains (or ones that get you to question if they’re even ‘bad’) , as diverse and well-written as they can be, are a little overused these days. Like any literary device, when they’re executed right they’re good, but old-school pure evil villains can be just as well done. Back then, they were mostly just tools to explain what’s right and what’s wrong to kids- “Oh, don’t be like BadMan, he steals!” But I think pure evil villains could be used differently. PEVs, when done right, can communicate a certain emotion in the viewer, and not necessarily an existential ‘what is bad, what is good’ type. I mean LITERALLY making the viewer feel something. For example, an energetic villain can radiate such power and charisma that they can make even the viewer adore the energy, while a horrifying or hitler-like PEV can easily make the viewer either hate the villain or fear them, which might seem overused in and of itself, but it’s a valid strategy.<br>Point is, any villain- be they relatable, gray, or just plain evil- can be good; all that matters is that they’re done well. That concludes my Ted Talk.

Hot take; gray area villains (or ones that get you to question if they’re even ‘bad’) , as diverse and well-written as they can be, are a little overused these days. Like any literary device, when they’re executed right they’re good, but old-school pure evil villains can be just as well done. Back then, they were mostly just tools to explain what’s right and what’s wrong to kids- “Oh, don’t be like BadMan, he steals!” But I think pure evil villains could be used differently. PEVs, when done right, can communicate a certain emotion in the viewer, and not necessarily an existential ‘what is bad, what is good’ type. I mean LITERALLY making the viewer feel something. For example, an energetic villain can radiate such power and charisma that they can make even the viewer adore the energy, while a horrifying or hitler-like PEV can easily make the viewer either hate the villain or fear them, which might seem overused in and of itself, but it’s a valid strategy.
Point is, any villain- be they relatable, gray, or just plain evil- can be good; all that matters is that they’re done well. That concludes my Ted Talk.

I think the problem with both of them is the fact that, even though some get yourself to question if they are truly bad, the concept of "evil / badness" is never questioned itself. Even with Anakin!Darth Vader this concept was nearly not explored enough. You could've easily gotten more into the question if what Anakin was doing when going over to the dark side was a good decision. This would've required more of a unreliable narrator aspect to the story, because most people would answer the question above with no, but I think it would've given the story more depth. But most importantly, it would have given you more Empathy for Anakin!Darth Vader. Simply because you yourself could one day make such a decision.

One thing that people seem to forget about the PEV is that they absolutely exist. There are those that have no qualms doing vile things ‘for the lulz’. As interesting as grey villains are, we need to remember that the PEV is just as real.

Attack on Titan tackles the grey best in my opinion as much as I want to make a good vs bad I just can’t

Adrian Veidt (Ozymandias) from The Watchmen was a good gray villain. So is Mr. Freeze from Batman the Animated Series.

@José Luis Syndrome is the definition of a villain with a tragic backstory just doing something to get revenge/prove a point tho

@Astrospect Let me first say that there's no such thing as a truly "morally gray" villain, both because both term contradict each other and also because the term "morally gray" is a paradox in and of itself. I think what you're more getting at is an "anti-villain" type character that has relatable motives but is still an antagonistic force in a story. Even these types of villains, however, are rarely if ever written to make the reader "question their morality." In my opinion, "pure evil" villains and more relatable villains aren't really any more interesting than one another as a rule, they're just different ways to tell a story. Palpatine and Darth Vader are both incredibly iconic and widely-loved villains for very different reasons from each other, to bring up a "normie" example.

This is why Azula is one of the best villains ever created

I think Melkor from the LOTR universe is kinda what you are talking about. Melkor simply hates, his defining feature in the begging of the silmarilion was that he loves to corrupt once good things. I can't seem to explain why, but Melkor has always stayed in my memory as a villain, even though he is quite  one dimensional

I wish grey villians just made themselfs think that way. Like a certain mindset they made themselfs made them evil. They could have a good life, but still.

hi yes id like a full 60 minutes of you talking about this please

I agree, not every villains has to have understandable "for greater good" motivations or even a tragic backstory. Some of the greatest villains ever are pure evil or close to being so: Hans Landa, Anton Chigurh, Joker (Arkhamverse, Nolaverse and 1989), Scar, Judge Claude Frollo, Koba, Syndrome, Louis Bloom, Palpatine, Voldemort, Kilgrave, Green Goblin, etc

this is why when i read berserk, i think griffith felt unique despite having very little moral grey area. he’s an amazingly complex character, but is still largely considered to be a PEV, which felt refreshing.

@William Kim So basically every in the Bad Place from The Good Place
They're all demons that exist literally to torture bad people, yet they're so goddamn fun to watch
Shawn is downright deplorable as an entity, but he's a fantastically written character

i feel like this is an osp point half transcribed so i wanted to add another little bit:

This comment kind of touches on what can happen with a lovably horrible villain, but there's a deeper point to consider here. Think about it this way. A morally gray villain being relatable is half design. They're meant to get you to ask the question "Is this person really evil?", because their villany isn't all they are, there's a little bit of white in that gray by definition. It asks you what your morality is by asking you what you see when you look at that grayness. whether it's more darkness or more light, and what you choose to believe about the character from that.

However, a completely evil villain who's so much fun to watch that the audience likes seeing them work asks an equally interesting question: why do you like this murdering psychopath? This character isn't part light, there aren't any redeeming qualities in there by design. They're killing and torturing people, but the jokes they make and the little flair in their actions is... fun, viscerally and painfully, but still fun. It forces you into thinking about your morality more head on, because now it's not about why you focus on the good oarts and ignore the bad parts, it's about why since there are no good parts, you ignore the bad parts. It asks what your morality really is to love seeing this kind of thing so much.

Morally gray villains are the most entertaining because they force you to think. They aren't going anywhere. One note, evil for evils sake villains will always be around as well,  but they will always be less engaging and less interesting, as you aren't challenged in any way and instead are left to gut reactions to their actions. They leave you with nothing to chew on.

I think this is somewhat true but only because 90% of "gray villains" are just 'I'm a little sad boy so you should feel bad for saying my 500 murders were wrong' instead of actually interesting studies of people and the way we treat each other for what reasons

@Dr. Zaius Dr. Zaius Forgive me for what I'm gonna say.

That's why I love Kira from JoJo, he's morally awful, being a serial killer that steals women's hands, but he's written so well that makes it enjoyable to see his personal life and his philosophy about living "a peaceful life"

Sorry for relating it to JoJo, but in a discussion about realistic villains, he's perfect. He actually feels like a real person, not just "I'm evil and want to take over the world"

Nowadays people are more concerned about villains being “morally grey” than they are of them being well written.

I was actually just thinking "If old black and white, straight up evil villains are now boring, that means at some point, the morally grey villain will be overused too, and straight up evil will be new again"

So your saying the villain itself is overused a bit?<br>Makes sense to be honest

So your saying the villain itself is overused a bit?
Makes sense to be honest


Luigi as the Poker Dealer is the embodiment of evil


9:15 Anton is not a spectre of death, nor the embodiment of chaos. As much as he would have you believe.
He is an unhinged man with a god complex. He acts as if he is the zeitgeist of fate and that he determines who lives and who dies.
But hes not, in the last scene with Llewyn's wife, she refuses to play his "game" of the coin toss. She says (and rightly so) "The coin dont have no part in the matter." This frightens Anton, because she poked through his delusion and merely said that he was just an serial killer, not some embodiment of fate. this is why he was so shaken and didnt see the car and ended up getting t boned

The greatest enemy we would face would be our own self.

i think you missed the point that because anton is a delusional man (basically a crazy person), his killing is like a natural disaster, if you ended up in one its your fate, your luck deals a bad hand and there are no reason for it whatsoever

@Nikolor yeah and he keeps on insisting for the kids to take his money so in the end he feels like he had some control

Also probably the car accident scene is there to show that even Anton doesn't have that much control as he thought he did and that he even has to ask some children to help him in order to escape

This is basically what EmpLemon says, though.


Emp, seriously, you are one of the biggest quality channels, your comentary videos about taboo things is glorious.<br>The reason I love villians is because they have a background, and I need to thank you for making this!

Emp, seriously, you are one of the biggest quality channels, your comentary videos about taboo things is glorious.
The reason I love villians is because they have a background, and I need to thank you for making this!

My brain automatically read this out in Pelo's voice.

Ayoo pelo watch ya doing here back in 2020

hi pelo, how's spooky month series coming along?

never thought i'd see sr pelo have an actual coherent thought

Titan Oof

I don’t know why Sr Pelo randomly commented here, but fuck it, that’s awesome lmao

@The New Kid in The Kingdom I hope both sides of your pillow is gonna hot and not cold

yeah, antagonists always tend to be more likable because you understand them. it makes me wish more protagonists had a reason for saving people.

@Fzgh John Wick is probably the most realistic stupid shooty action movie I’ve seen.

@Fzgh You read my mind. EmpLemon is the king of making obvious commentary and disguising it as "deep", I used to like some of his content but I can't barely stand him now, he reaches so much. Btw, this random dude saying that he loves villains because "they have a background" might be the most hilarious thing I've read today.

My screaming brother, I have found you once more!

Mokey is already live long enough to become a Villain

you are villians too you making fun of animator

You look like that Mexican "Nito" candy bar.

this is here just incase there is 500 comments i would like to say haha cringe you cant comment? oh where you late? next time hit the notification bell.

A good villain has character, nuance and power

@Fzgh Yeah I mean it's weird that he commented on this.This is definitely one of his weaker videos.

Wait this guy speaks English? Last time I heard him, the only two words he could say were "HuniePop" and "EËEEEEEE"

It's so weird reading something from you which is calm and coherent because I keep reading it in your voice, screaming at every word.

Merry Krimas and Happy New year Pelo<br>Thank you for your contribution to humanity :)

Merry Krimas and Happy New year Pelo
Thank you for your contribution to humanity :)

I know I'm probably gonna get a lot of shit for this but fuck it who cares. I thought this video was mediocre at best. By now we're all kind of used to the concept of a 3 dimensional villain. What he's talking about is nothing groundbreaking. I thought the way he needlessly shoehorned mainstream media bad into this was very forced. I'm not defending mainstream media btw i know it's dogshit i'm not an idiot so don't come at me with that shit. I really don't understand why he put so much emphasis on the joker movie and why he acts likes it's some big relevation that media dissapprove of it. Ofcourse they would. The movie spends half it's run time criticising the captilist system that the media profits off. John Wick is a stupid shooty guns movie with no message  so it's obvious why the media would not give two shits about it. The media have always been dissapproving of movies with contriversial political messages. This is nothing new.

Se escribe ''Taboo'' en ingles, Señor Pelo.

You know Emp has outdone himself when motherfucking Pelo compliments him without any sort of mockery.

Just genuine admiration for the content.


"As we get older the lines tend to blur" Being villainized as a kid, I was quite sympathetic to villains early on.


Villains are allowed to have dark sides which make them more human, which is why we love heroes who also has dark sides like Clint Eastwood's characters in the Sergio Leone films. When Sergio originally made those films it was quite controversial to have the lead guy be kind of a scumbag and a bounty hunter, US market was used to cowboy flicks being led by a charismatic goody two shoes lawman. Sergio wasn't interested in making a regular western, opting for overdrive guitars and a sweaty run down look to everything.

Still would be a bold move today, heroes are often too good for their own sake, which makes them sort of bland.


"each version of the devil"
shows Hades

while your philosophy is good, your mythology definitely needs some work

"each version of the devil"
*shows Hades*

while your philosophy is good, your mythology definitely needs some work

mythology is dumb tbh although it has dumb funny stories.

Well for some reason, in movie he was depicted like bad guy, but in mythology he was maybe one of goodest gods.


so on a completely irrelevant side note, Hades in Greek mythology isn't the equivalent to Satan. Hades is the god of the underworld, a job he doesn't want but is forced to by his brother Zeus. This isnt because he is inherently evil... its just because his brother is a complete asshole and someone needs to guard the underworld (as that is were people go after death).  If anything Hades is one of the more likeable gods in Greek mythology, but that's not saying much... they're all pretty much assholes


"Zuko felt more pain than any other character in the show"<br>Are you seriously forgeting that cabbage seller?

"Zuko felt more pain than any other character in the show"
Are you seriously forgeting that cabbage seller?

@AlphaTengua VENTz It isn't even NEAR true that everyone suffers to the same amount of intensity, but I can absolutely see where you're coming from and I agree for the most part. What we've suffered through shouldn't be the main focus, our own actions should be.

You're laughing, a man lost his cabbage cart and you're laughing.

@Mr. darkchocolate 9 more let’s let dark chocolate over the moon baby

Maybe he should've hid in the SECRET TUNNELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

or Aang who lost his entire people and culture due to mass genocide...

I personally think that Bosco suffered the most pain because he had to deal with the earth king and his disgusting wife until she died

Of you know Aang having his entire society and culture completely wiped out

@Mr. darkchocolate let' s get to 6969 likes shall we?

Aang is literally the last of his people.
Everyone he has ever known before being frozen is dead killed in a mass genocide meant to wipe out his people because of his existence.

But ya Zuko's pain is worse

@bee Yep. this is how humans work...always this sick victim mentality competition complex "My problems are worse than yours" "who has the most pain!?" No, we're all equally suffering. just in different ways... and even if someone "had it worse" it doesn't invalidate anyone else or villainize them.

NO CABBAGES! ONE CABBAGE SLUG COULD RUIN THE ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM OF BA SING SEI

didnt the cabbage guy get like, his own corporation or something in LOK?

@LPC We do not speak of that show... I mean the first three seasons were great, but the fourth....

The cabbage seller is the best reoccurring meme in avatar

@bee there’s a difference. Having your culture wiped out is extremely traumatic, yes, but it’s a different kind of trauma. It’s less personal, and it’s not from someone who’s meant to love and care about you, and it didn’t happen to them personally. Zuko never had any love from anyone except his mother, which was taken from him, and his uncle, which was only after he got exiled (he was almost non existent throughout his childhood). Zuko wasn’t just neglected, he was actively hurt time and time again by the one person who was supposed to love him. It was extremely personal. He was then made to think he deserved that hurt and abuse and had to work to get the love of the person who had abused him. Through achieving what was thought to be an impossible task. Trauma isn’t a competition but you can’t deny that zuko’s was extremely bad. Katara, Sokka and Aang were all loved and supported to get through their issues and trauma, whereas zuko was left to hurt and blame himself for three years, and the rest of his childhood if we’re honest. Also, in the show you never really see zuko talk with anyone about it, he’s left to work it out himself.

TLDR; zuko wasn’t just ‘a dude with an abusive father’ he was someone who received intense, personal trauma and 0 support to get through it, as opposed to the other characters. He never really felt loved and was hurt again and again by someone who was meant to love him more than anything

Ok but are we forgetting that Aang’s entire race was wiped out? Their origin is completely gone, they can still be Airbenders as shown in LoK but they’re from Earth Kingdom origin. I get that Zuko’s life also sucks but like- 👁👄👁

Don't even make me bring up Iroh and "Leaves From the Vine"

My man just wanted to sell his cabbage, but nooo he couldn't even have that.

him and his descendants are forever cursed to get their business destroyed by the avatar

but the fire nation took kataras mother, that's more pain

Aang’s entire family and clan got genocided.........

@bee I think everyone faced their fair share of issues in Avatar, 100 percent. But the thing with Sokka, Katara, and Aang was that they always had allies or people helping them their entire life. Sokka and Katara always had a full tribe supporting them, and Aang had Team Avatar and the Airbender monks having his back.

All Zuko had was Iroh, and due to how badly his father raised him, Zuko almost entirely ignored Iroh because to him he had been conditioned to think any form of mercy or compassion was seen as weakness and incompetence. It was shown that perfection was the only way to succeed, such as with Azula.

It's just my opinion though.

@bee I still think Zuko had worse pain than Katara and Sokka. 1. Katara and Sokka's mother died, but Zuko wasn't with his mother either. They were forcefully set apart from each other. 2. Katara and Sokka knew that their parents loved them so much, while Zuko knew his father hates him. For me having a parent that never loves me is worse than having a dead parent.

@Amanda Rose Mcintyre That girl lost everything. Family, friends, title, accomlishments, freedom and even her sanity.

@LPC his choice of doing business was bad luck

@Eni And then Cabbage corp gets framed by future industries...

@bee though you do make a good point, i still consider Zuko's to be the worst, all things considered...

ik this is a joke but op REALLY said that a dude who had an abusive father had worse pain than: a child whose entire people, family, and culture completely wiped out, a girl whose mother died and almost had HER culture wiped out, a boy whose father left him to go to war and had to be raised by sister. i know zuko was a complex character with complex pain but oh my GOD

Dat poor man<br>Each day his cabbages gets destroyed

Dat poor man
Each day his cabbages gets destroyed

You are at 69 likes so even though I would like I cant


THANK YOU for using Zuko as an example of a good villain.  He is just a (young) man with a struggle against himself, and finds himself given time (and his amazing uncle guiding him).  He was so, so well written.


I thought for a minute you were going to touch on the very origin of the word "villain." It actually comes from the word "villein" from the Middle Ages, which was synonymous with "villager" or perhaps "poor person." I'll note that before the Middle Ages, during the Roman Empire's time, the word villein's root in latin meant "the occupant of a villa", but it did not take on its modern connotation for evil until the Middle Ages.
The reason why the word for a poor village dweller became known for evil was the time's popular conception of good and evil, where the upper classes were depicted as inherently more virtuous than the commoners below them. It was believed that with higher status and prestige came greater moral goodness, to the point that the king was often seen as being in his place because God wanted him there.
Even the word "villain" comes from a morality many people today would balk at, considering what we've seen from billionaires or rich politicians, as a term equating poor people who were often powerless against the will of their lords, to the point that some rulers would claim the right to have sex with their vassals wives before the husband did on their wedding day, as evildoers who deserved their fate.
Perhaps it says something about humanity. Or perhaps it's just a leftover word that caught on from an age where the powerful could redefine words at a whim.


Let us never forget the realest villain out there RIP MF DOOM.


The best "villains" typically are relatable. It's important to understand what made them the way they are to be able to introspectively realize ourselves what it can take to break. Especially when the "villain" believes they are doing the right thing. Afterall, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." Even more interesting when they use human nature against itself to accomplish their goals. Begs the question just how evil they are in comparison to the rest of society. 🤔


This is why I love villains! Everything mentioned is spot on! Maybe this is the reason why I love villains because they think they are protagonists of their own story.

I'd suggest the video about villains from PlagueOfGripes, he explains the story of Nox, who is a wonderful villain, because no matter what he does, the countries wiped out by him, he believes he can turn back time by sacrificing all those lives and in the end no one will ever know what he did, he was the hero in his mind.

Yet their actions still bite them back in the ass anyway.

COUGH Sinbad from Magi COUGH. He's litterally a protagonist of a prequel sshow but seperate enough to be its own show. Although the ending was rushed, I can't even think of him as a villain but as an antagonist. If you haven't Check out Magi, An amazing manga with world building unparalleled excluding One piece although there is a fair bit of fanservice so be warned

@UkieKooki That's fucking amazing never knew that.<br>Makes me wanna read through a whole audiobook of his story.

@UkieKooki That's fucking amazing never knew that.
Makes me wanna read through a whole audiobook of his story.

@Rocky Croods How ? I mean I don't think of myself as a hero personally so maybe I get where you're coming from but you're not meant to take that quote literally I think. The way we perceive others, ourselves and the world in general is entirely unique to us. There are no rules, there is no right or wrong and there are no heroes or villains

@ʙ ᴇ ꜱ ᴛ ᴇ ꜱ ᴛ You get it. There is no right or wrong it's all subjective honestly. Chances are every single one of us is the villain of someone elses story. The way we perceive the world is completely unique and there's literally not a single thing all our realities have in common

@Al W, IDW comics is a comic book company that’s been making Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtle comics and Transformer comics since the 90’s to now, and MHA is short for My Hero Academia which is a superhero manga series popular with normies.

@Krystal Myth Same with us don't force people for you SJW/politic propoganda remember what Chinese did, not just Hong Kong or Tianmen square the Chinese just want an culture revenge against western imperialisme

Honestly you just cured me from liking villains forever. They're evil for a reason.

This is why people support Trump. Excerpt we're all protagonists of our own story and they all give it up to a villain.

In the famous words of handsome jack “everyone thinks their the hero of their own story”

@Rocky Croods at Same time judge by how your comment i thing the you better say that to Kathleen Kennedy and other SJW, why this people never let us we no need their politics correctness we just need better entertainment not some politic

"they think that they are protagonists of their own story"<br>no, they ARE the protags of their story. Every person is the protagonist in their life's story.

"they think that they are protagonists of their own story"
no, they ARE the protags of their story. Every person is the protagonist in their life's story.

ʙ ᴇ ꜱ ᴛ ᴇ ꜱ ᴛ

Not every villain is like that, though. And it's good to have a large variety, as long as they're well done the villains are as good as the heroes imo.

@commanderyammarkkasrkin MV lmao thats true

@error_n0t_found agreed... (If politics and media is number enemy)

I found it quite irony how Japanese make good villian as western villian is good at politics or media

@commanderyammarkkasrkin MV especially MHA

@UkieKooki Well honestly I think I only read one IDW comic and it one in middle of the timeline so it was confusing to understand what happened and all of this information was from other sources like YouTube or wikis. But yeah looks like IDW makes some interesting stories.

@Kingawesome521 Really??? Well I do plan on reading the IDW Sonic, maybe I should check out the IDW Marvel ones too! Thank you for recommending!

@UkieKooki Now I want to see that as a movie or something. Also apparently in the IDW continuity the Avengers, Spider-Man, Dr Doom, and GI Joe share the same universe with the Transformers and I have heard from fans that this continuity has the most insane/diverse character development down to even some of the most bland characters from different continuities.

@Kingawesome521 There's this comic about Doom's tragic history because his mother is a witch and she sold her soul to Mephisto, the literal devil in Marvel, so he learns both science and magic during his adult years. After obtaining the suit of armor, he returned to Latveria, his home country, and created a resistance because the ruler of the country is making everyone poor while he becomes richer from their expense. After overthrowing the ruler, Doom became Latveria's new ruler and made the country into a paradise of prosperity, freedom, and security. But Doom still remembers his mother and so he went on a mission to try and save his mother so he tries to create portals in order to go to Mephisto's realm and save his mother. Doom challenges Mephisto and he accepts but it came with a price. Whenever Mephisto defeats Doom, his people will slowly hate him and fear him. So stubborn as Doom is, he gets defeated by Mephisto over and over. Keep in mind that Mephisto is in his strongest when he's in his  realm. So Doom enlisted the help of Dr. Strange to save his mother. Doom and Strange succeeded but when Doom's mother entered the mortal realm, she became very evil. With Doom's multiple defeat from Mephisto, Latveria grew to hate him and that's how Doom became an authoritarian dictator in the eyes of his people. I don't want to spoil the whole ending but I really do recommend reading it yourself or watch a youtube video about the comic because it is really good and really sad on Doom's part.

@Kingawesome521 Not just them! Magneto, Dr. Doom, and Mr. Freeze are just a few villains that I can think of right now! This may be why I always considered whenever they said "YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME!"

If you like villains because of that, you should look about Megatron or some of the Decepticons in the IDW Transformers comics

This make anime villian in both akamegakill and MHA


My favourite villain redemption arc is EmpLemon going from YTP to documentaries


I love nothing more than stumbling upon video essays like these in the wee hours of the morning.  This video was expertly put together, and it's evident how much passion went into its making.  Keep up the great work.


the part where you talks about the joker actually had me tears up about it.
I was able to relate to arthur quite a lot and I saw the character as someone who simply took the wrong way to handle their frustration. by killing people
it's an oversimplification of what happened but I'm sure you get what I mean.


Wreck-it Ralph comes to mind as well. He’s just some guy who wanted to be liked by other people.

Wreck-it-Ralph a good "bad guy". Turbo/King Candy a bad "good guy".


An antagonist is not necessarily evil, but just opposes the ideologies of the protagonist.

Did you really just say ideologies? Reddit cope.

>states the definition of an antagonist <br>>refuses to elaborate

>states the definition of an antagonist
>refuses to elaborate

@Hemlixx trynna get people against me? no, i was just saying what I felt like saying

@Jay Harris no, they stated what is the basic beginning of an antagonist they don't have to be a batshit crazy killer or anything

@Pale Reaper you just wanna try be cool lol calm down fella you literally have reaper in your name and are tryna get people against you

@MMM idk 🤷♂ but I’ve quit drinking so that’s a plus

@Pale Reaper you still an edgelord? I hope so

@Pale Reaper you still an edgelord? I hope so

@Pale Reaper saying edgelord never looked more like a edgelord than this

we see this in death note where L is the antagonist, but not the villain.

@Dead Man bro I am drunk as heck right now I can’t even comprehend this

@Pale Reaper my man, you are called Pale Reaper. You can’t call other people edge lords.

@C Vernon Two cases to be brought up for this in western film are Heat and Public Enemies. Defining the cops chasing the main characters as villains is definitely incorrect, but they are clearly the antagonists of those films.

@Jay Harris That's not true. In reality and where morals are concerned these people you have described are objectively evil.

You can have a protagonist of a story that is inherently evil: they commit debauchery, kill with complete disregard, have no compunctions about manipulating and abusing others for power, etc. This utterly twisted protagonist can then be opposed by the gleaming brilliance of a morally good antagonist.

Those two terms do not carry an inherent moral weight, simply a function in a story.

I find the Joker fascinating, because I think most young men in this day in age know the feeling of being outcasted by our peers.

Yeah, and you can have villain protagonists (perhaps more accurately called antiheroes but that's a different debate) and heroic antagonists. It just depends on whose story is being told. Riddick, for example, is pretty nasty but has a moral code that helps people get behind him but I wouldn't say that his antagonists are generally of greater character than he is.

@Jay Harris <br>Uh... Please note that I didn't exactly emphasize on the "antagonist" so I'm not sure why you're trying to start an argument with a hypothetical statement. :/

@Jay Harris
Uh... Please note that I didn't exactly emphasize on the "antagonist" so I'm not sure why you're trying to start an argument with a hypothetical statement. :/

By such ideology, a mass murderer or slave/sex trafficker is not evil. Just opposes the ideologies of the protagonist.

@Pale Reaper hows he an edgelord that’s literally the definition of an antagonist, thats like like 5th grade level vocabulary

@Mr. Friendship so... heroes who are "lack of moral compass?"

@Kattzen Anti-heroes are a type of hero who has cynical views and has a lack of what traditional heroes have (e.g. bravery, loyalty, all-loving, respectful).

@Kattzen The anti-hero is different from the traditional hero.

@carcass feather you already ratioed him its fine

What about Anti-Heroes? Is it different from an antagonist?

@Pale Reaper are you really that ingnorant

@Pale Reaper are you really that ingnorant

@Pale Reapereeeeee, what was the point of your comment again? I'm getting confused.

Yeah I think an antagonist is just someone who generally creates conflict, whereas a villain is more specifically evil.

@t.j._ edits they didnt really specifically talk about him, just the definition of antagonist,,, maybe they are talking about him or all of them in general so

He still kills a bunch of people. He just evil with a calm demeanor.

@Pale Reaper sound like an actual egelord

@Pale Reaper sound like an actual egelord

@Pale Reaper bruhhh, go and search up the definition of edgelord, why are you so persistent that you are right about it?

@Pale Reaper bro edgelord is someone who is all about that edgy stuff like "i dont have a heart or a soul", not someone who says the definition of smth

@carcass feather hate? all I did was call them an edgelord

@Pale Reaper when you just wanna spread hate because you can

@Pale Reaper  He just said the definition of an antagonist,he ins't a edgelord


16:20 I disagree on your take on the Incredibles. I think you're forgetting the essential commentary where heroism is a job. The issue he has isn't that he is focused on becoming a hero, it's that his goal is merely professional. The supers are no different from law enforcement in their role in society, they're just comically overpowered. Syndrome's ultimate statement “With everyone super, no one will be” is already dangerously close to the subliminal problem of the movie's world: the onesidedness of good always triumphing over evil.
One Punch Man has a demi-villain who has turned this loophole in the genre of superhero stories and used it as motive. OPM is very ironic and self-satirical as is the Incredibles.
Buddy was a necessary villain, but evil nonetheless.


This was well done, and I'm glad I watched it. The structuring of it somehow flowed very, very well from piece to piece and kept me watching- kept me from pausing to listen to music or to drift to some other topic.<br>Well done.

This was well done, and I'm glad I watched it. The structuring of it somehow flowed very, very well from piece to piece and kept me watching- kept me from pausing to listen to music or to drift to some other topic.
Well done.


Speaking of a sympathetic bad guy and a d!ck good guy, I love that you added in how the media, who many of us used to view as a 'good' guy, started cranking the fear machine about the Joker movie activating another theater shooter.

Because they WANTED one to satisfy their narrative and draw the clicks.


You’re not my favorite YouTuber, but I would say you make objectively the best videos on this site, no one else does what you do and I appreciate that


"Childhood is when idolise batman, Adulthood is when you realise cheese is expensive"<br>-A comment I've read somewhere.

"Childhood is when idolise batman, Adulthood is when you realise cheese is expensive"
-A comment I've read somewhere.

@Imtiaz Siraj The midwest. I also ate a block of cheese last week

@DeadRaven you have to get milk first in order to make cheese or yogurt and milk comes from cows. you have to first have a cow, then feed and care for it, then you have to milk it. milk is also processed bc you can't just milk a cow and drink it or you'll get diseases

@Sam Carmen cheese requires extra process to make so milk is lazy because its not cheese or yogurt

@DeadRaven no. cheese is just bad milk. cheese comes from milk, not the other way around

I like cheese with tiny holes in it - mouse

"Childhood is when idolise batman, Adulthood is when you realise cheese is expensive" -a copypasta that has lost its means

@Remix and Karaoke Dude kids are borderline sociopaths. Besides, if you are incapable of hate then you aren't capable of love, they're two sides of the same coin. Hate is good and neccessary.

i remember a clip from a spanish youtube video that says "when you grow up you realize 2 things 1 everyone does drugs and 2 cheese is too expensive"

@Fern Cohen If you want the Joker to win in adulthood something has gone wrong with your ability to show compassion and love for you fellow man. Remember what is what it was like when you were a boy playing with others you didn't yet know how to hate in preschool. Love is the answer. Return fear and hate with love and compassion. This is what is is to be strong and a real man in our world. NOT sociopathic/psychopathic  behavior.

@Herlock Sholmes No, it's an ignorant quote in my humble opinion.

my knee jerk reaction would be Sheogorath.... but that would be breaking the 4th wall for a Daedric prince of madness with a cheese obsession to know about Batman....

to go on...

childhood is when you love batman. adulthood is when you want the joker to win.

I seen the same thing but childhood is like cheese but adulthood is when cheese expensive

@Commander Fox CC-1010 oh man that was such a good show

"Dewey, go easy on your orange juice. That stuff doesn't grow on.... wait IT DOES, SO WHY IS IT SO DAMN EXPENSIVE ?!"

Pour cheese on your cereal.<br>Mix cheese with your coffee and tea.

Pour cheese on your cereal.
Mix cheese with your coffee and tea.


The narrative, the editing, the quality... this video is truly a masterpiece.


For those deeply interested about morals and how the mind reacts to such things, I highly recommend reading the dystopian novel, “A Clockwork Orange” written by Anthony Burgess. There’s also a 1971 film adaptation by the same name, “A Clockwork Orange” directed by Stanley Kubrick starring Malcom McDowell. Both are absolute masterpieces and perfectly captivate the reader/viewer. In the film you feel sympathy for the main protagonist, Alexander DeLarge. In the novel, you realize the immoral and sinister acts committed by Alex. It’s extremely thought provoking and self reflective, you begin to think about you and people on a societal scale and such. It’s profound and genius, I’ll add to this later if anybody is interested.


An enemy is just a person's story you've never heard of


This made me realize<br>most Ghibli Films have conflicts but doesn't really have a Villain

This made me realize
most Ghibli Films have conflicts but doesn't really have a Villain

Ponyo had a "villain". Man, now I want to watch Ponyo

Spirited away had Yubaba

And howl’s moving castle had Madam Suliman.

It's probably because the western world doesn't have the sufficient mythological context to understand who the villain is

@Orkhiss It reminds me of Code Geass and a lot of the complex relationships that happened in that show.

yeah they are once again made for kids so i don’t think they would want to make children traumatised for life...

Ghibli films are classic and can sum up human conflict at any point in history. Truly incredible, underappreciated, modern works of art. Princess Mononoke is my favorite animated film of all time. I could watch it forever. Makes me wish life was like a Ghibli movie

Miyazaki's movies are about loving life... they're so beautiful.
In Howl's Moving Castle, the villain is war (and Howl himself as he is fighting both sides of that war, thus becoming the worst part of it.) we can also say that the witch is a villain but she ends up losing her powers and going back to her true self (powers made her evil). Sulliman is also "bad", but because she's selfish ; and she realizes by the end how dumb that war is. If i'm not wrong, Miyazaki said that wars are only made because of people's selfish desires (for power).
Miyazaki's stories are made for kids to have hope. They are stories about children facing hardships and trying to overcome it with love and life

@Nathaniel Windsor I don't think it mattered though since they werent the main fpcus of the movie. I hardly remember the villain but  I still remember the witch and ended up feeling sorry for her in the end

@Under Scrutiny Oh, I think you are right now that I think about it. There are some character studies where there's no conflict between forces and thus can't be an antagonist. Now that comes to mind Boyhood is a good example, Wolf's children too and Marriage story maybe. Or where protagonists conflict with one another, which doesn't mean they are antagonists, its just relationships.

@Silver Wolf that’s a very good point and in most cases its true! However, in the genre of literary fiction there usually isn’t any type of conflict (eg. Hemingway’s Cat in the rain). You can check out this post which summarizes very well this debate:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJbbaX9lYz-/?igshid=1ajtapco5q67w

@Under Scrutiny Would you care to give examples? I would state tho that an antagonist doesn't necessarily mean an opposing person, it could be an opposing force or entity. In the case of the Joker movie for example the real antagonist is society.

There are great works of fiction without villains, even without antagonists. This is why I disagree with the conclusion of the video.

@Orkhiss lol yeah, he was weird n gross, but still 😂😂

@Silya X Yep, not a single one you describe is a villain, they are antagonists tho. They oppose the protagonist but no one is villanous or evil, nor chaotic. That's the point with Ghibli, they don't write evil villanous characters, they write compelling antagonists with valid points of view and justifiable actions

There was a villain in tales from earthsea : )

@Winewood Ghibiliy movies are <b>MOST</b> (but not all) about man vs nature. It comes up a toooooon.

@Winewood Ghibiliy movies are *MOST* (but not all) about man vs nature. It comes up a toooooon.

@Nathaniel Windsor I would disagree with the concept that as simple lust for power is on it's fave unsympathetic. So many people go their entire lives trying to have power only over their own lives. I would agree as far as the films directed by Miyazaki and that are original IPs go, he is the least developed, and I'm sure they intended him to be unsympathetic. I also agree with the typical Ghibli moral of "natural=good, unnatural=bad".

@Orkhiss yeah, but my point is that the villain in the movie has no motivation beyond a lust for power. That's his entire personality. And every other myazaki-directed movie has a much more nuanced and sympethetic villain, if there even is a villain at all, which makes the antagonist of castle in the sky very uncharacteristic of the studio. I guess the sky pirates fill the movie's sympathetic antagonist quota instead, but it would've been interesting if the main villain was a more complex character with less one-dimensional goals.

@Ross McDonagh Tales from Earthsea had very weak villians, but it's also one of their worst films and it's based on a YA series so of course it would.

@Ross McDonagh Yeah it's only one of their most popular films lol

@Nathaniel Windsor To be fair, an ancient superweapon powerful enough to bring all nations of the the world to their knees is something any person who wants power would kill anyone for-and seeking dominion over others is a very human motive. Actually, Japan of all nations should know what it's like to be on the recieving end of such a weapon.

Ghibli does have villains, but they are mostly not purely evil or the main focus of the story. A lot of the times there are multiple villains, groups or society/situation that serve as villains or antagonists and therefore makes them harder to point out as villains.
Like in spirited away Yubaba is the main villain but also most of the people populating the spirit world are villains as they are hating Chihiro and all human and bullying her, or in Prinzess Mononoke the people sent by the emperor or the people burning down the forests are the villains, in Porco Rosso the villain is the law as well as the american pilot, in Pom Poko it is humanity and their disregard for nature, in Ponyo it is Ponyos father,  etc. Like in the video villains or antagonists can come in many forms.
Ghiblis villains/antagonists are mostly not a single person, nor the main focus of the story, but still and all of their actions are explained and you understand where they are coming from, why they are how they are and why they act like they do. Many times they also change their minds in the end of the movie like in Spirited Away where Yubaba and the Spirits start to like Chihiro or in Ponyo where the father starts to understand Ponyo and lets her go. Ghibli focusses more on the journey than the actual confrontation between protagonist and antagonist. But of course Ghibli also has bad and purely evil villains like in Castle of the Sky (people just want money and power bc they want it) or Howls moving castle (where another nation just attacks bc their prince is gone so they might as well start a war).

But ofc many ghibli movies also don't really have a protagonist - antagonist setting at all because they are meant to be more like slice of live-stories about one or a hand full of characters like Kiki's delivery service, whisper of the heart, my neighbor totoro, etc.

@Winewood I agree from what I've seen the endings are often much less important to the story than the pivotal moments of character development along the way

Its always seemed to me that ghibli movies are more about overcoming inner conflict and the hardships of life than fighting another person. To me they feel like pixar for adults.

@Nathaniel Windsor Ill put my hand up and admit im no aficionado of the Ghibli films :') I'll take you word for it and do some... reasearch ? :'D

except castle in the sky<br>"haha yes I will use the power of laputa to conquer the world because... reasons!"

except castle in the sky
"haha yes I will use the power of laputa to conquer the world because... reasons!"

Almost everyone has some reason to be sympathetic towards them and they still manage to write incredibly compelling stories


For me villains are at their best when the line between good and evil doesn’t exist at all. It feels more like real life, where your intentions, goals and plans to do good can be the very thing that leads you down a truly dark path.

I think a good example would be the entire franchise of WH40k. Since it has multiple authors and hundreds of books I’m not talking about specific character writing, more overall how the balance of hero vs villain winds up being seen.

There are no good guys in WH40k. No character or faction is even close to being what we normally consider a hero to be.

The imperium of man is a corrupt, stagnant, and utterly brutal society in which anyone can be guaranteed a painful death for being named a heretic. Their leader and God had one of his armies slaughter another on the day of their greatest victory because they had lost there usefulness.

Every other faction is set as either a sometimes ally, or enemy of the imperium.

The eldar want nothing more than to re build their dying race and free their souls from the god they had to fall into horrific levels of hedonism to create.

The Orks and Tyranids both operate by instinct. Orks fight, and tyranids consume because that is what they are designed to do and denying them that is like denying humanity the ability to eat.

The dark eldar have to inflict horrific to levels I can’t even describe amounts of pain on others or else they lose their soul.

The tau are on the surface open, inclusive, arent stuck in a societal dark age. But the reason they were able to get this was they had to essentially be under the influence of the ethereals and lowkey have their free will steered for them.

Then there is chaos. Ruled over by 4 gods, all of which born from the physic energy of the feelings of sentient races forming into Gods who exist with singular purpose and goals.

Khorne is the god of blood and war.
Nurgle is the god of decay, and the stagnant cycle of death and rebirth.
Slaanesh is the god of pleasure, pain, and perfection.

None of these gods would exist if sentient races felt less of certain emotions.

And the best part is, there is no true win for anyone. They either will ALL figure out independent ways to safeguard against chaos or they will ALL lose.


this was amazingly edited and written, to the point where I audibly praised the video for it, it was an incredible experience to say the least and I truly enjoyed watching this. Thank you


One of the best things that Emp does is that he always has callbacks to previous videos, he makes them interwoven and tells a broader story with them while still keeping each video unique and independent. The references are there if you know them, but it makes no difference to the rest of the video if you don't know them, really well done.


I keep coming back to this video over 4 times and I still love rewatching this video. The narration, visuals, audio, everything about this video shows how great villains actually can be. Fantastic video


when we were younger we use to think that squidward was the rude, annoying person and now that we’re older we now relate and understand why squidward acted the way he did towards patrick and spongebob

@Acacius no not really, negativity is obviously the problem all you hear is people talk about how they're going to die from literally everything and can't handle accepting what they can't change

@Lucifer Joestar Lol i could say the same to you too.

But sadly toxic positivtiy is nowadays a pretty big problem in society.

I know that sounds unbelievable: But people cant be all the time happy and positive. It is completly normal there a things and days where you are negative and unhappy.

@Acacius that wasn't my argument but pessimism is inherently bad because there's literally no point in always being negative it makes everything worse for no benefit. Lol get over yourself dude

@Lucifer Joestar Yep the typical Black and white view of "Oh noooo pessimism is only baaaad and optimism is sooo much better and never wrong!"

I always hated that absolutly dumb logic. Both too much Pessimism AND optimism is unhealty.

@Lucifer Joestar How you're supposed to see a character is completely meaningless; we aren't all the same person; not imposing your desires on another is what makes you moral, and Squidward just wants to be left alone. He never goes to Spongebob's house simply to insult him, and only acts negatively when his own boundaries aren't respected.<br>You can call it nihilism, but he's quite content to enjoy life the way he wishes. I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to be walked on.

@Lucifer Joestar How you're supposed to see a character is completely meaningless; we aren't all the same person; not imposing your desires on another is what makes you moral, and Squidward just wants to be left alone. He never goes to Spongebob's house simply to insult him, and only acts negatively when his own boundaries aren't respected.
You can call it nihilism, but he's quite content to enjoy life the way he wishes. I don't blame him one bit for not wanting to be walked on.

Who is "we"? When I was younger I used to lament everytime Spongebob and Patrick went out of their way to annoy squidward 😭I mean Squidward never let them down gently but only because they really didn't understand 'no' for an answer.

he said that already, go watch the video- it's good

I felt a sense of relief when i saw that someone felt the same way

That sponge is probably bringing down property values!!

dunno about you but even when I was younger I always felt bad for the guy.

I think SpongeBob and Squidward are too extreme opposites. Spongebob is extremely naive and happy-go-lucky. He ignores problems and always screws up. He fails to become mature and take responsibility. Squidward is very pessimistic and resentful. He can't enjoy anything, and he can't find the motivation to better himself. I think the correct attitude is somewhere in the middle. Be optimistic, but not naive. Be responsible, but appreciate happiness whenever it manifests itself in your life.

@get a life lol, but it IS pretty deep if spongebob represents urban childhood

@Xanthos Your views on Spongebob changed? How deep.

True, as I got older, (i still watch spongebob today lol) I realized spongebob was hella annoying, some things kind of put me in squids shoes by being woken up for school

Me, ages 6 through 9: "Awh it's Squidward again. What's he going to do to ruin the fun this time? Spongebob and Patrick are just trying to have fun..."
Me, ages 10 through 14: fuming at how annoying Spongebob and Patrick are being to Squidward as he's just trying to read a book "IDIOTS!"

Me, ages 6 through 9: "Awh it's Squidward again. What's he going to do to ruin the fun this time? Spongebob and Patrick are just trying to have fun..."
Me, ages 10 through 14: *fuming at how annoying Spongebob and Patrick are being to Squidward as he's just trying to read a book* "IDIOTS!"

He did some things to deserve karma......and then there was plenty of cases where he wasn’t even in the wrong

@Lucifer Joestar Yeah,but its like Benson with Mordecai and Rigby,we relate and root for them,but if you see it right,benson clearly has reasons to be angry at them because of mord and rigboy actions,just like spongebob and Patrick that are annoying af.

He acts that way no matter his environment is and you weren't supposed to want to be like him. You were supposed to see Squidward as what happens when you dwell in pessimism and nihilism

He was talking about the older episodes.


You could teach a Writing class with just this one 30 minute video.


this is basically a psychology lesson that would take an hour out of my day in 23 minutes, and I'm learning way more than I would in a class


I remember watching a western with my Grandpaw when I was young in the 80’s but the show is much older, don’t know the name, only the white hat got shot by the black hat at the end and we learned appearances don’t always matter. It was a pretty obvious lesson in retrospect but at the time it ground my reality to a halt.


Hbox isn’t a villain he’s a product of hard work he spends years grinding away to perfect the puff but the community tried blaming him for ruining the game Hbox has such a sad story because even in his brightest moments people cheer against him


We often root for heroes as kids and sympathise with the villain as adults, so you know you’ve made a great sympathetic villain like Zuko when you understand him as a kid aswell

Typically the only reason I'd prefer villains as a kid is if they looked cool like general grievous, he was a favorite of mine, or the xenomorph from alien

I actually did when I started watching the Series with 10-11 years o:

@AlphaTengua VENTz I think this probably depends when we are forced to grow up and how. Some of us had to grow up earlier than others.

I always rooted for the one who shines the brightest in the show but now that i got older (12) i think i was very stoupid doing that

Except Zuko was not a villain at all. He was just someone struggling with physical and emotional abuse. He is strong for overcoming it all. 😌

I rooted for the Villains as a kid and sympathise with the heroes as an adult

*heroes, not hero’s. Hero’s is possessive, heroes is the proper spelling in this context.

@Ross McDonagh <br>Except Zuko is not edgy. He is serrated.

@Ross McDonagh
Except Zuko is not edgy. He is serrated.

You are forgetting all the edgy kids who say they like villains to seem quirky :'D

not me i always favored the villains or at least, the darker characters seen as psycho evil (but not?) dangerous insane damaged goods loser etc etc.


At first, I found Zuko annoying but in season 2, when his main redemption ark started, he became my favourite character with one of my favourite arcs ever


The definition of evil is: Every Villain Is Lemons.


I honestly love good sympathetic villans as much as I feel like anyone else does...

But it feels special when you can pull off a truly villainous character, they can be deep and have nuance and their own character, but at the end of the day they are the bad guy, and frankly all they do is because they enjoy it/benefits them.

Frankly it's what I do in d&d in my games where devils and demons appear, I edited the lore for devils to make them the "justified" evil in many cases with many characters having sympathetic stories attached to them/motives in trying to fight the blood war against the demons, but unlike others having no moral lines they don't cross...

And the demons are frankly the unjustified, the chaotic...ultimately more monstrous, but interestingly enough more "human" as they all have very personal motives, desires, and reasoning on what they do...I kinda took a bit from warhammers demons in that they are the result of gasalt emotions/ideas/concepts to explain why they seem so "infinite", so their desire to corrupt and spread whatever they desire is inherently in their nature...that interestingly enough leads them to work with mortals just as much as devils do with their deals...

At the end of the day both groups are evil, have their reasons for fighting/interacting the way they do...and even reasons why they might interact with mortals and cause their evil...they serve to polarize one another and show two different dark sides of human nature...the civilized and "justifying", and the primal and "self-interested"


"Chigurgh is the embodiment of chaos but he's so collected."

It's like I always say, there's method to the madness. Control to the chaos. When there is a problem, there is always a reason. There is no random action in Earth. Yes, you can flip a coin, but gravity pulls it to Earth. You can roll a dice, but friction and gravity control the result. There is always a reason, wether you like it or not. There is insanity, and there's reality. But without reality, insanity would be reality.