"Evil villains also tend to be forgettable villains."

Kefka Palazzo says hi.

@Wildfire well <b>I</b> enjoyed the live action remake of maleficent.

@Wildfire well *I* enjoyed the live action remake of maleficent.

@Cynical Leftist So he's basically a cross between the Emperor and The Joker? I agree, he definitely sounds like a memorable villain.

Here's the real question, though. Is his hair as good as Sephiroth's??

Jokes aside, I really personally enjoy Sephiroth as a villain in his own right because he's basically what Darth Vader would be if the latter were the primary antagonist of his own story. Niether have a profound philosophical motive for being evil; their appeal is almost entirely drawn from their cold, threatening presense and "fallen hero" backstories. Both are incredibly twisted in their own right and edge very close to being "pure incarenations of evil," but never quite fall into complete and utter insanity.

@Cynical Leftist FFVI was wack and so was it's villain, he was just some kind of gay clown. You want a good FF villain play FFT. That game is the truth.

@A Wild Caterpie Appears
The reason why I mention Bane is because he defies what you're saying.

He might not be an absolutely vicious mass murdering maniac, but he still demonstrates a character that has a sound backstory, acts in a logically sound way and is absolutely unredeemable.

(given Batman Beyond is canon, you get to see in that show that Bane never changed, while Mr. Freeze absolutely wanted and tried to atone)

Bane is completely driven by greed and what I believe can be considered social darwinist ideals. He completely lacks morals or ethics, he's almost completely unsympathetic, and his goals and actions typically aren't in any way relatable, only comprehendible.

Logic can be completely evil. A villain can be absolutely cold and calculating, but also pure evil. Logical black nihilists, psychopaths and the greed driven. Not only do these sorts of characters exist in fiction, but there are real people throughout history who fit this profile.

@A Wild Caterpie Appears
The reason why I mention Bane is because he defies what you're saying.

He might not be an absolutely vicious mass murdering maniac, but he still demonstrates a character that has a sound backstory, acts in a logically sound way and is absolutely unredeemable.

(given Batman Beyond is canon, you get to see in that show that Bane never changed, while Mr. Freeze absolutely wanted and tried to atone)

Bane is completely driven by greed and what I believe can be considered social darwinist ideals. He completely lacks morals or ethics, he's almost completely unsympathetic, and his goals and actions typically aren't in any way relatable, only comprehendible.

Logic can be completely evil. A villain can be absolutely cold and calculating, but also pure evil. Logical black nihilists, psychopaths and the greed driven. Not only do these sorts of characters exist in fiction, but _there are real people throughout history who fit this profile._

@Cynical Leftist you can have a character have a good backstory and be sympathetic but it also has to match their actions.

If you show a villain who was a slave during the civil war and became a blood thirsty monster through the pain he went through, his actions must be logical, he will kill the people who remind him of that or dismantle a government which he thinks supports it's. It does NOT need to be logical in our eyes, but in theirs.

If you take a villain who is prone to mental illness and raised in an abusive Catholic house and he says God told him to start killing, that is believable, but if you take that set up and say he wants to kill people to end racism, it doesn't add up.

Villains who are just evil bypass that logic, as they are not meant to be sympathized with. The logic doesn't matter. You can have a villain want to open the gates of hell, why? Because he wants to. You can have a woman want to skin puppies for a coat and it's believable because she is evil.

@Wildfire
I think people forget that human nature can be incredibly dark.

Even in the real world, some of the most vicious dictators and war atrocities grow out of some kind of widespread human suffering.

Victims are the best villains because they're causally consistent. Cold tragedy and cruel society makes monsters. Sometimes even genocidal ones.

The point is you can humanize a villain without making they overtly sympathetic. All you have to do is give them a solid backstory and a few human flaws that reflect their origin story.

Bane is a very good example of this. So is Magneto.

Maleficent is great at being an evil villain too, "humanizing" them like with Disney remakes just completely butchers both their character and the plot.

@Nobelissimos
You don't play Final Fantasy games, do you.

Kefka is basically Final Fantasy's version of the Joker, but with much greater ambition, smarter, more competent and somehow substantially more twisted. In the story he's tangled up with the fascist empire trying to take over the planet, and both acts as a military commander and oversees the incredibly dark experiments going on in the empire's magitech facility.

He's psychotic in a way that can't easily be explained here, you kinda have to play the game and experience his rise to power. ...And what he does with that power. FF6 is a story where the villain actually manages to trash the entire world before the heroes stop him, and he does it with a laughing sadism that stands out in a class of its own. ...Then he proceeds to use his newfound godhood to torture the remains of the already broken planet.

He's basically a living, laughing war crime.

To put this in perspective: He's so twisted that he manages to be more evil than the fascist empire he grew out of. He's a villain that's so evil that it actually makes him memorable.

(Special props go to Ted Woolsey, who's translation made him even more of a psychotic clown than he was in the Japanese version)

He came along right before FF7, and so he was the last major villain before FF7 and Sephiroth's popularity caused square to make every other villain... And protagonist... An angsty prettyboy.

@Nobelissimos
You don't play Final Fantasy games, do you.

Kefka is basically Final Fantasy's version of the Joker, but with much greater ambition, smarter, more competent and somehow substantially more twisted. In the story he's tangled up with the fascist empire trying to take over the planet, and both acts as a military commander and oversees the incredibly dark experiments going on in the empire's magitech facility.

He's psychotic in a way that can't easily be explained here, you kinda have to play the game and experience his rise to power. ...And what he does with that power. FF6 is a story where the villain actually manages to trash the entire world before the heroes stop him, and he does it with a laughing sadism that stands out in a class of its own. ...Then he proceeds to use his newfound godhood to torture the remains of the already broken planet.

He's basically a living, laughing war crime.

To put this in perspective: He's so twisted that he manages to be more evil than the fascist empire he grew out of. He's a villain that's _so evil_ that it actually _makes him memorable._

(Special props go to Ted Woolsey, who's translation made him even more of a psychotic clown than he was in the Japanese version)

He came along right before FF7, and so he was the last major villain before FF7 and Sephiroth's popularity caused square to make every other villain... And protagonist... An angsty prettyboy.

I actually disagree with this. Look at old school Disney villains like jefar, Gaston, scar, they are pure evil yet iconic. Even the cartoon frollo is just some dude who is willing to kill and burn women alive because she won't fuck him. Pure evil villains are unique in terms of they can just be evil and own it. The biggest flaw in villains is making them super evil yet trying to make them relatable or sympathetic.


zero day is a movie about school shooters but the shooters are rather relatable.


I am so confused watching this vid , I think I have the mind of a 6th grader I need to seriously upgrade my terminology


Had to watch 2 movies before watching this.


I swear I watch this video at least every two weeks, it’s so well done


boring! altough you clearly put effort into it so good job!


"You're charged with six counts of first degree murder."<br>"But your honor, what exactly is evil?"

"You're charged with six counts of first degree murder."
"But your honor, what exactly is evil?"


Thought this video was gonna be about GypsyCrusader tbh


When something you like gets the EmpLemon treatment, you KNOW you’re in for a good time

So that's why I enjoyed so much his video about Trump

@Walker Farnsworth this is my favorite reply on YouTuber

I saw this comment early in the video and thought you were talking about Satan

SUPRISE! I am the funniest YTer evah!!!! Just kidding, it was no surprise. Everybody knew already. HAHAHHAHA!!!! That was an amazing joke (it was real talk though). WAWAWAWAWA!!!! Good afternoon, dear one


Honestly upset you didn't mention walter white in this video


The first time i experienced this was the lego batman movie when batman was saying "i dont need you joker"


My favorite holy code, Harry Potter and the Sorcerers Stone 1:35


"His justice can only be served by fate itself"

Whelp. Yeah. Okay. The movie makes sense, now.

Fourteen years later!


Once upon a time a kid went to him mum and said mom I’m going to go to art School. That kid was Adolf Hitler


hey, can u make a far cry one plz and nice work


Hans Gruber, from a story perspective, is the protagonist of Die Hard.


You've gone from making entertaining YouTube Poops to thoughtful documentaries. And I'm enjoying every minute of it.


I think a great example of these is the film natural born killers


I feel like there really should be a clear distinction between "villain" and "antagonist" because they don't always go hand-in-hand

Case in point, Zuko. He was never the villain, just the antagonist to Aang.


>TIL the only thing that could stop Anton Chigurh was being isekai'd by Truck-kun. The only force more powerful than the infinite chaos of the universe.


ok but how did syndromes hair change color from blonde to red


After watching Attack On Titan, I honestly learned more about human morality.


The illest villain, just remember all caps when you spell the man's name. RIP DOOM, Subroc and Malachi Ezekiel


8-bit White Room - Cream??? song selection on choice Emp :)))


honestly for me I believe Ice Kings story is even more sad a man who started off as a normal man with a fiance bought a mysterious crown from a person and wore it in front of his wife just so he can make her laugh only to result that he never saw his fiance again he slowly lost his mind through out Mushroom war and after the bomb was dropped he met a young girl names Marcelline but had to abandon her at the age of 10 fearing he is becoming too dangerous and as he left he slowly transitioned into the ice king in which he had the same mental state as a Child kidnapping Princesses and has no friends calling the main characters finn and jake his friends despite constant Conflict between one another and when he finally regained everything and escaped the crowns prison he watched as his Fiance sacrificed her life to keep him safe

Correction, Simon is an archeologist who found the crown. He didn't bought it. He was also the one who found The Encyrhidion. He was testing the crown before putting it on his head to find the powers it gave. After that, he became more and more unhinged until his skin starts to turn more bluish and his hair starts to turn more white. In the end, this scared Betty who ends up leaving him for her own safety. This is why Ice King is so obsessed with "<br>Princesses. Because before he wore the crown, he used to call Betty his "Princess"

Correction, Simon is an archeologist who found the crown. He didn't bought it. He was also the one who found The Encyrhidion. He was testing the crown before putting it on his head to find the powers it gave. After that, he became more and more unhinged until his skin starts to turn more bluish and his hair starts to turn more white. In the end, this scared Betty who ends up leaving him for her own safety. This is why Ice King is so obsessed with "
Princesses. Because before he wore the crown, he used to call Betty his "Princess"

his song that he wrote, the one Marceline originally sings, about how he puts on the crown to protect her from danger but it's becoming more and more difficult to take it off really broke me. honestly, the whole series had many points in it that made it the best cartoon ever written. from the standpoint of simply having to grow up and watching someone do that

You make a good point, but please consider using commas and periods in your paragraphs. I don't think people who type like this realize how jarring it is to read their comments.


get that moral relativist bs outta here lmao


I wonder why Don rulele is not on the list - real name Clive Owen ?


I'm leaving this so i can remember that i watched this before


i really hate they added maleficent and cruella as tragic characters later become a villain and later become heroes
makes no sense, disney wanted strong women i get it
but its just unnecessary
i really love judge frollo maleficent gaston ( not a villain just a jerk but hes doing good for the village but ended up dies calling him villain hes not a villain)


While I find your use of the yin&yang balance concept a bit "off", I nonetheless applaud your analysis of fictional villainy. It's so interesting to see the complexities writers have come up with between protagonist and antagonist and how the portrayal of this dynamic meshes with the context of each story. I also appreciate that you pulled from multiple forms of media if heavily leaning toward cinema. I am not at all familiar with your channel but you should be proud of what you have here. Each dynamic you presented is a conversation to be had and I hope your audience takes the time to think about them, both as works of fiction and how it may come to reflect our everyday lives.

@Taylor yeah, what you said is more of what I intended to mean. Yin&yang is more about complementary forces than contrasting concepts. Good and evil are not very good examples. Still, this is a good video.

@Adrian Pulta Yin and yang has nothing to do with evil. They represent opposite but equal forces. Light and dark, order and chaos, sun and moon - but NOT good and evil. Because nothing is inherently good or evil, only made that way by man.

@Adrian Pulta OP means he doesnt use it in the traditional way

Can you please explain me what's "off" about his use of Yinn & Yang? I'm just dumb.


werent you the guy who cried about noobzor <b>bulllying</b> you?

werent you the guy who cried about noobzor *bulllying* you?


Lemon, can I get sauce for the first bit of music used?


This was an incredible essay, not just the analysis of villain archetypes, but the way the video follows such a concise theme. You state at the beginning how the line between yin and yang is blurred, and from there on, through editing, visual and audio cues, you segue every new category into the next, blending them all into one another. It was a trip.


Um maleficent is over of the most memorable Disney villains. also Vader is scarier and more memorable than the initial villain of a new Hope, tarkin


No joke I thought the thumbnail was gypsy crusader


super mario galaxy soundtrack in the background?!


Let's all thanks Uncle Iroh for being a father like to Zuko

Yeah, zuko is like his son since Iroh lost his own


what's the song in man vs. monster near the end. it's got a cyber vibe


Smollett was never a hero and never cool enough to be a villain.


Here is another example: In Fortnite, the Imagine Order got rid of building

Fortnite without building is so much better, building has gotten to the point where it makes the game unfun


EmpLemon has had the greatest character development I've seen in any YouTuber.

He isnt perfect but he is improving. He still does a lot of annoying political whinging, but his videos on media are well-made. They can be opinionated, but thats fine, because the disagreements someone could have with them will give them a good opportunity to re-evaluate their own opinions.


the one thing i took from this video is if im indian but want to get rid of them i can just go on a trip to china with them


Щерю Черкезов


people in the comments writing argumentative essays, they even have quotes and a thesis, ive never seen anything like it outside of english class and twitter


As kids, we revere our heroes.

As adults, we understand our villains.

veggie bad --- I love most of these comments says "we understand" instead "we support", because there's some villains that we understand, but don't support. (what goes to my mind is Japhet from OFF, which the perfect example of "we understand, but we don't support")

@[Jac̡҉k̕_ W҉̛̕o͞od̀́͞s̢͞] cheese is really expensive

[Jac̡҉k̕_ W҉̛̕o͞od̀́͞s̢͞]

@[Jac̡҉k̕_ W҉̛̕o͞od̀́͞s̢͞] as a child you root for Batman
as a teen you root for Joker
as an adult you root for Alfred

Insert Joker Wallpaper Here
AS A KID YOU LEARN TO ROOT FOR BATMAN
BUT AS AN ADULT YOU GROW TO SEE THAT  THE JOKER MAKES MORE SENSE

*Insert Joker Wallpaper Here*
AS A KID YOU LEARN TO ROOT FOR BATMAN
BUT AS AN ADULT YOU GROW TO SEE THAT  THE JOKER MAKES MORE SENSE

[Jac̡҉k̕_ W҉̛̕o͞od̀́͞s̢͞]


markiplier from in space with markiplier is a good villain


Did emp just expose himself as being leafy? Hahah


What song is at 13:18? I looked through his entire song list for this video and I couldn’t find it


I still think its bizarre a YTP creator is now arguing philosophy


Can some one please tell me where the picture in 2:07 is from? I just beheld the nightmare of my childhood and I miss it.


sorry but that scooby doo movie you're using in the backround pretty much scared me for life and while i'll admit scraggy was the most forgettable part of it, i'm now terrified to  go down a dark hallway unless there's sunlight on the other end.


Damn, Russian Cruella is actually not a villain?


Bro the constant tf2 references is messing me up


"Does anyone really remember maleficent?" Yeah... she transformed into a fucking dragon. She's dope as fuck.

She's literally the stand out character in otherwise "meh" movie.


Is that portal music in the background just near the 7:35 mark?


I’ve always rooted for the villain in movies. It’s just in my nature for some reason


What makes a good hero/villain dynamic is how similar the two of them are with their goals and origins. Charles Xavier and Magneto, Spider-Man and Dock Ock, Bob and Syndrome all have a lot more in common than people give them credit for.


wait wait take hades out, hes not even one of the worse gods. im not smart enough to say whose the evilest greek immortal, but it definitely not a god, and probably not even a titan or giant


ROLL CREDITS

THEN THE ACTUAL CREDITS ROLL.

I think this is the first time I’ve seen this happen

Hex : I think we did a pretty good job so far


Everyone remembers Maleficent dude, she is one of the most popular baddies in Disney along with ones like Scar, Jafar, Hades and Ursula.


Battles leave scars... Some you just can't see.<br>- kanan Jarrus.

Battles leave scars... Some you just can't see.
- kanan Jarrus.


21:28 google "deuteronomy 13 13 16" or "exodus 21 15 17" or "isaiah 14 21", literal walking contradiction...


Handsome hack from the borderlands universe


2:28 i hate some countries i don’t know existed


This is without a doubt one of the best videos on this website. It feels like two hours of expert breakdown packed into twenty minutes. Congratulations on becoming one of the best creators on YouTube, senior Pickle Lemon


What song I'd it for the beginning and end of the video<br>Them drums slap harrd

What song I'd it for the beginning and end of the video
Them drums slap harrd


and then there’s Walter White VS Krazy-8.


"Oh I see , that is noble of you , that would be justice , however , what about my family , my friends, my village , they suffered the same fate as this village at the hands of you hidden leaf ninja, how is it fair to let only you people preach about peace and justice?" <br>This one speech from Pain from Naruto escalated him from an interesting villain to a character that you could relate to, listen to, AGREE WITH. This speech glimpses into his broken goal of peace. He wanted to make the world a better place, but after the world cast him and his friends out for trying to do it peacefully, HE had to take it into his own hands, HE HAD to create tragedy.  He was a broken man in a world that didn't care about him. We relate to him because so many people in the real world are outcasts. This is why Pain is not just one of my favorite anime villains, but favorite villains in media as a whole. We feel sympathy for him because of the many tragedies of his life that have led him down his path.

"Oh I see , that is noble of you , that would be justice , however , what about my family , my friends, my village , they suffered the same fate as this village at the hands of you hidden leaf ninja, how is it fair to let only you people preach about peace and justice?"
This one speech from Pain from Naruto escalated him from an interesting villain to a character that you could relate to, listen to, AGREE WITH. This speech glimpses into his broken goal of peace. He wanted to make the world a better place, but after the world cast him and his friends out for trying to do it peacefully, HE had to take it into his own hands, HE HAD to create tragedy.  He was a broken man in a world that didn't care about him. We relate to him because so many people in the real world are outcasts. This is why Pain is not just one of my favorite anime villains, but favorite villains in media as a whole. We feel sympathy for him because of the many tragedies of his life that have led him down his path.


"Who remembers Maleficent?"<br>Erm... Everyone under the sun who ever heard the fairy tale or saw the disney movie? Terrible example there man, but I got the point

"Who remembers Maleficent?"
Erm... Everyone under the sun who ever heard the fairy tale or saw the disney movie? Terrible example there man, but I got the point


"I'M ANGRY AT MYSELF!' - Zuko<br>"My life was a tragedy but I realize...it's a fucking comedy..." - Joker

"I'M ANGRY AT MYSELF!' - Zuko
"My life was a tragedy but I realize...it's a fucking comedy..." - Joker


Pleased to meet you hope you guessed my name


Kind of sad you didn’t mention megamind but still tons of work went into this also I like how when you said we need villains you showed leafy

I really hoped Megamind and Wreck-It-Ralph were featured as disunderstood villain protagonists in this video.


Was that 8bit song in the beginning sympathy for the devil


What about my boi madara uchiha he was a villain but not really kinda


MLG/YTP youtubers years ago: Makes funny videos.<br>MLG/YTP youtubers now: Makes film and show analysis that make you question the motive behind everything in our society.

MLG/YTP youtubers years ago: Makes funny videos.
MLG/YTP youtubers now: Makes film and show analysis that make you question the motive behind everything in our society.

Yeah same tbh. A few are fine but comedy is good too.

And MLG memes were so pure and stupid fun


if satan sends the bad guys to hell isn't he the good guy?


Jason Voorhees is a good example of this. Jason had been bullied by the other kids and pushed into camp crystal lake and drowned. The camp counselors never watched him as they were having sex and drinking beer. Jason’s mom went on a killing spree because of it and when Jason had survived and saw her from the woods she was beheaded seconds later and Jason never wanted anyone at camp crystal lake and he just wanted to be happy.

I would also say Rob Zombie's Michael Myers is another horror movie villain that is sympathetic. He was bullied as a kid and lived with an abusive stepfather and a sister that never gave a shit about him.

Also Leatherface from TCM seems to be misunderstood as well. It's his family that are really the evil ones and they are more or less just using Leatherface since he is the muscle of the family.


The amount of TF2 references makes me happy.

i loved how many he used, it feels so great

Yes same I just wish he spelled the Man vs Machine section with two ns for Mann


15:10 This has to be the best script/clip combination in the whole video. Subtle.


How I see it as we grow older the terms "Hero" & "Villain" shift more towards "Protagonist" & "Antagonist." Everybody is the "protagonist" of their own story and what determines how others see you is dependent upon perspective really... Had we actually started Avatar The Last Airbender from Zuko's perspective with him being the main protagonist a great many people would've believed him to be more of a tragic hero than an actual villain especially with a character like Uncle Iroh as his mentor.


this is by far your most cohesive and meaningful video yet. the way you tie in the main theme of yin and yang throughout the video was just beautiful to watch, the part that got me specifically was the subtle reference to the taijitu when joker was telling batman "you complete me." wow. and the final line "careful who you call the bad guy, cause one day you might just end up feeling sympathy for the villain. wow. great video emp.


These videos make me feel like I’m floating in space while high but in a good and knowledgeable way.. if that makes sense. Thank you for these videos, you’re one of the best parts of YouTube.


This was masterfully put together, you’ve earned my sub


I love the idea of the yin and yang, something that sticks with me is the talk in the legend of korra about how if you look for the light in the dark you will always find it but if you look for the darkness in the light it is all you will see. It may not make sense in the yin and yang but it’s just such a good quote for me

Yeah it kinda makes no sense a bit as when there's light there's always shadow


The Fletcher dude reminds me of Ross Robinson. He's a music producer and he produced metal and rock bands mostly. I read some stories of the abuse he put the musicians through to "extract their potential". He threw flower pots on Joey Jordison while he was playing drums, Joey had to avoid these pots flying towards his head without stopping playing drums or the drums won't sound good, or at least that's what he was told. Another instance of his abuse is when he forced Chris Fehn to drink too much water, gallons or something, to make his stomach produce certain sounds when touched, and he recorded these stomach sounds and somehow incorporated them into the music. He forced Jonathan Davis from Korn to sing by sitting on Jonathan's back and pushing him to the ground claiming it will get raw emotions from him or something. And in one song called 'Daddy', Jonathan sang about a rape incident that happened to him when he was a young kid by a family friend and how his parents never believed him. Once the song was over he broke down and started crying and screaming, Ross kept recording that mental breakdown and prevented the band members from checking on their friend and entering the brothel he was in. Once he was done crying the recording stopped they all rushed to comfort him. This Ross Robinson dude is still free and working to this day.


the fact that the mass media shunned the movie Joker is literally the biggest heads up for we all are experiencing a collapse, or atleast the beginning of it


My heart always broke for Zuko and the pain and trauma he was so often pushed into


Fletcher is not a villain IMO. To me, he’s an antagonistic supporting character. Not destroying the character for amusement or satisfaction. But destroying the character to put talent in its place.


Everything you do is fantastic, we love it


That “White Room” by Cream arrangement at the end was glorious.


When your young you root for the heros. But as you grow up, you understand the villains


personally it is those 'evil' traits that make villains relatable and most heros unrelatable


“The appetite for war and disaster is what completes the world”


The Bowser's castle music was just so nostalgic.

  (Edit)  I would love to see a prequel/sequel about the hitman in "No Country for Old Men"

That would be cool. But his ambiguity is what makes him so effective.


let's just take a moment to think about the fact that this guy was willing to dress up as Satan for a YouTube Video.


I've not even seen some of these movies but HOLY MONOCULUS! The way you write and deliver your analysis makes me feel like I've grown a new pair of eyes!


I've been wanting to watch this video since it came out but I couldn't find the right time, now that I did, I agree with everything you said, and I remember hearing a lot form the Joker movie, about how valorous he was and how much of an "atni-hero" he was. There is nothing valliant or heroic about the Joker, it's his past, his pain, suffering, his abuse, everyhting that makes you relate to him on a deep level that makes you think he's a good guy.


This is such a great video, and also when Rock and Roll Part II and then White Room started playing in the background I couldn't help but smile. Excellent work


I have always been so attracted towards villain from my childhood. Because they have a story behind their masks.


Literally seconds ago, I just completed my rewatch of "Avatar: The Last Airbender" and from the start Zuko was one of my favourite characters.


amazing video! Syndrome is one of my favourite characters.


I loved how u used sympathy for the devil in the BGM at the starting of the video.


"We are the destroyers of ourselves." Guys I think I just evolved and turned wise.


bro having the 8-bit Sympathy for the Devil cover at the start is such a nice touch


We relate to hero's through there tragedy whilst we relate to villains through their quality's


Magneto takes the crown on being the sympathetic villain

“I’ve been at the mercy of men just following orders. Never again.”


There is no thing as evil, there is only distorted good that can be  perceived as evil


Had to finish Avatar before finishing this video; didn't wanna spoil myself. So in that sense you did me a favor, motivating me to return to a series I dropped because of work.


Also, in Star Wars, George Lucas revealed that Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker was always the main character, the original trilogy and the prequels were always about him and his fall and then his regaining his goodness.


“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous”
Matthew 5:43-45


I just realized that Arcann (from SWtor) and Zuko have quite a lot in common.


cheers to that one kid in that cs:go who pushed me to memorise every russian swear word


I just realised the “Sympathy For” and “The Villiain” are both 12 letters long making it like an actual Yin and Yang

"sympathy for" is 11 letters and "the villain" is 10 letters wym


Everyone thought Garrosh was a villain in WoW.

Turns out he may have been the only sane orc left lol.

Also, am I the only who loves movies like Arlington Road because the villains actually win for a change?


Wish you would’ve given a spoiler warning for the movies but otherwise a fantastic video!


this video is so fucking good i dont even know how many times I've watched it at this point


honestly tho everyone needs a villan in there life as where can we blame problems and find solutions to those problems


"no animal can challenge us"<br>see how fast that changes without a weapon or numbers.

"no animal can challenge us"
see how fast that changes without a weapon or numbers.


You all have to hold up for a second. I, so far, have not seen any commentary regarding the editing nor the astoundingly written script. The fact that everything goes up in crescendo and corelate into the Joker was truly brilliant, and does anyone actually appreciated the fact that at no point but at the end of the essay he actually pronounce the title of it. A true MASTERPIECE. One of the most well written i have ever listened and watched.


I wish the intellect emplemon has exsisted in every horror movie


ok....who said Hades was a devil figure.....if anything, that would be Tartarus or one of Nyx's kids


Legit watched Avatar because this video was constantly in my recommendations and I wanted to watch it.

So thank you because that show was fucking great


We live in a society where the word society makes us laugh 😔

I also laugh at the fact that We the people didn't change society especially it's quite simple when we unite


"Falling down" by Joel Schumacher would be a great movie to include in this video.


Funny Valentine is the best. He makes you really wonder who the good guy is


A video about understanding villains and yet you never mentioned Megamind!?


I found Azula much easier to feel bad for than zuko


this is why if im a jedi, i would 100% learn about the darkside as well.  know thy enemy and avoid blind ignorance. one must learn both the dark and the light. that is why the jedi failed and the sith are weak. balance is key. yin and yang.


Cant believe you didnt talk about Light Yagami from death note he is the best example of sympathy for the villain.


Vilains: Has complex backstory and justified actions
Heroes: I'm the good guy, i must stop you! That's all you need to know about me!

Vilains: *Has complex backstory and justified actions*
Heroes: I'm the good guy, i must stop you! That's all you need to know about me!


I agreed with everything up till the Joker from Dark Knight. Hes honestly just a stereotypical psycho killer type in that movie and that isnt what the Joker is.

The Joker movie talk show scene is also a straight rip off of Dark Knight Returns


Syndrome always reminds me of mysterio and vice versa. When I saw Spider Man Far from home, I immediately thought of Syndrome.


1:37 ah yes the spiritual code of Harry Potter. It has been my guide for all my life


Reminds of ramayana, villain is himself extremely intelligent, and hero too, they both do similar works, and the back story was an entire fucking whole 4 books set


Listen, if I’m not simultaneously upset with the outcome for the antagonist’s sake but happy for the protagonist’s sake, I don’t want to hear smh


I know you're a young guy, watch the criterion collection. There's a lot of meaningful uses of scars in fiction.


I might be mistaken but is that an eight bit version of motörhead's simphaty for the devil in the beginning of the video? If so, very fitting music choice good sir!


Malificent has a sympathetic backstory, my one note on this video lol


Yo, the portal 2 ending by 7:35 hit me hard, maybe don't use such well known songs, even for a short moment, it really pulled me out of the video.


I still can't decide if Lucas/Samuel from Polar Apocalypse is a good or evil character


I love how you used the bowser theme from the super mario 64 soundtrack in the background


Me hearing 8-bit version of Sympathy for the Devil in the background.


every pure evil villain is one of the children of the devil.


"A villain isn't born .. It is created by the people of this cruel world.. .It is created by hate, pain, neglect heartbreak,death and anger... a villain isn't a villain until someone turns them into one..."


im pretty sure that you had symphati for the devil in 8-bit form playing


07:36 - here we are again, it's always such a pleasure. Remember when ypu tried to kill me twice?


Says each version of the Devil and shows Hades. #JusticeforHades


so if the devil donates to charity then it is evil to donate to charity devil can make some god tier plays with that.


Btw, it is confirmed that Syndrome is named after hero syndrome.


hades is not evil he's an accountant to keep count of the dead


Does anyone happen to know the name of the song that came on at around 20:49? I really liked it.

@Jeff Taylor Thank you very much kind sir, have a wonderful day.

It’s an instrumental cover of “White Room” by Cream


Ive always loved villians but I couldn’t articulate why. As I grew older and became more and more educated I’ve seen how society became to view antisocial behaviors and the villians of society and it always struck a cord in me with how complex it all is. Now i think perhaps the real villians of society are the morals that it is built on.

The real villain is life. If nothing existed no one would've suffered and no bad things would've happened. With existence and life comes pain and the fear of death and identity and the obsession with it which cause people to misbehave and hurt others in order to stay alive and protect their made up identities. If they just didn't exist none of that would've happened. Life is evil, death is good.


You forgot one more Yin & Yang: the Individual vs the State


Woah woah woah I know you didn't just flash an image of hades on screen in a rolling collage of evil gods. Hades has the like most chill of any god geek or otherwise.

@lukelblitz yes cause Disney is a very accurate representation of myths and legends this is why Cinderella has a magic cow that gives her super speed even after it gets killed and butchered to finish her chores faster and give her makeovers and not, say something stupid like a fairy godmother and a pumpkin carriage. Magic necrocow for the win!

Hercules's hades was literally pure evil


The joker is not a villain, hes an anti-hero. And the anti-hero is always the guy you root for regardless of his actions.


this is possibly the best video on YouTube


There was as retro sympathy for the devil playing in the beginning


5:13 i think azula suffered more for she had no iroh


i keep on getting this recommended to me so today i finally decided to watch it


Love this video Joker is everything that makes a villain is I was in the DC or MCU I’ll be a villain over hart break I’ll be delusional I’m just depressed but I’m ok 🙂/🥲


I think you might have made one of my favorite YouTube video


in greek mythology hades wasnt evil its just that christians just assume that the king of the underworld is always just a different form for satan


It’s 3:47am right now and this video was recommended to me after watching the commander Erwin speech good video 9/10


when the portal credits song came on in the background i got so distracted and just sang along lol


I need you to know that because you used portal music in the vid, I went back and beat the first one in one night lmao


Wasnt there a manga about the protagonist deciding to become a villain so that countries at war would unite and turn their attention to him instead? I feel like I’ve read sth like that long ago but cant recall the title


Not nature, by nurture. Mystic would like to quote you on that


"There's no doubt that Zuko suffers more than any other character in the series."
Pretty sure there's an argument to be made for the kid who was basically rejected from hanging out with his friends after they find out he's supposed to be the world's most important and powerful figure at age 12, tries to take a time–out so he can cope with his newly shattered reality, gets involuntarily forced into a frozen stasis by his own unfamiliar powers, woke up a century later to learn that a foreign dictatorship took over the world and violently slaughtered his entire nation while he was asleep, and it's his job to literally save the world.
Zuko definitely suffered, but let's be real here.

Depends on what you think would be more painful. IMO I would rather take what Aang did then what Zuko had to.

@sorry guys forgive That would be Aang, y’know the Avatar lol

r u talking anout the bald kid i forgot his name


Jessica Jones was weird because I still don’t know if they wanted me to sympathize will kilgrave or not.


In this world, you either a smart fella or a fart smella


The one wasn't Lucifer, that was Hades god of the underworld


LOVE the Aqua TV Show Show theme used in the intro


the only villians i feel sympathy about is Alastor from Hazbin Hotel in majority of it except (spoilers) and Scarface or also known as Tony Montana and including angel

Spoiler warning for kenshin and noragami arogato, rdr 1 and rdr 2

John Marston and Arthur morgan
ryouroni kenshin  beginning to final and noragami arogato shows that too


The music in the background sounded like sympathy for the devil but like retro style


22:45 or we realize its even more black and white than we ever thought and recognize sin


What ever happened to Emp Lemon I remember when he made YTPs and was actually funny


this just might be my most loved video ever


I wonder what All Might would think of this video..


This video has had me contemplating the meaning of good and evil in myself... Been sitting here talking to myself under my breath for about an hour while playing minecraft


Just cause their backstory was a sob-story doesn’t excuse their actions.

Edit: I mean they ARE the bad guys for a reason, are they not?

@Nickwing 78 you good man you good, no worries mane.

You are right I jumped into conclusions way too fast I am sorry for judging your comment

@Nickwing 78 i never said they were trying to justify it, I’m only trying to imply that their actions are what stop me from giving them sympathy

This video never attempted to justify them it only tried making a deep dive into how a well written villain is and how are they so likeable


im only watching this because its been living in my recommended rent free since feb


Joker became a bad guy after he started saying the n word on omegle

@Rocky Croods what? gypsy is like 23-30 or smth

@Kevin Nigins he is the best in the Internet I had  forgotten about him

gypsy crusader is genuinely one of the most interesting characters on the internet

@[_now_i_am_become_defunct,_ejaculator_of_spunk_]... I'll see what I can do    . _.

@Hubrys It better say "invest in apples" for a single frame right at the end or I'm disliking it.

@Adolfo Garza I'm actually making a video analyzing him, he's such an interesting character...

@Bruh Dam looks like someone doesn’t know about the based man

@Adolfo Garza gypsi crusader what do you mean by that

I would un ironically watch a movie based on gypsy crusader

that made him change from being a good guy to a hero

I think I missed that scene in the movie


8:50 Marvel Comics would like to disagree


"mass political unrest" only 19 days later....


In Rock & Rule; Mok denies what he’s doing is evil and laughs off that everything people do is a mix of gray. Despite him summoning a demon from hell because his music isn’t popular...

The Beauty Of Gray, by Live, is the first thing i thought of when you said a mix of gray. “THIS IS NOT A BLACK AND WHITE WORLD!!!”


Gotta give you major props for using that bit cover of "Sympathy for the Devil" while talking about Satan


"Also aboard the ship are Commander Nefarious, Captain I'mmabadguy, and Admiral Bonetopick. But they don't mention them." -118 year old serial killer


but really walt from breaking bad is in the middle he did what he did to help his family so in the end hes in the middle


You have been making some of the most interesting and consistently quality video essays on this platform. Thank you so much for all the hard work you do, I hope you know that I and many many others love seeing your videos pop into our feed.


Perfect example is bojack horseman. "Diane please, I know I can be selfish narcissistic and self destructive but I need you to tell me that I'm a good person deep down. Please diane. Please I need you to tell me that I'm good." Bojack horseman to his best friend. He is a villain but the main character of the show. He ismt usually someone you can root for but he is.


One of my favorite villain protagonists is Light Yagami of Death Note. Throughout the show you know what he is doing is wrong, but in a way you understand his motives. It does a great job teaching us the difference between morality and ethics. It is not necessarily evil to kill a murderer, but ethically you must uphold order, due process, and human rights. The show is a battle between vigilantism and law enforcement. It also teaches us about how absolute power corrupts absolutely, the importance of accountability, and making the viewer wonder if the ends justify the means.

@Norman that's just so wrong. no one can argue that 5x5=25 because its build on previously known rules of addition, which are based on the rule of counting. meanwhile ask on what will be based "theft is bad" and the only answer you can possibly reach at the end is "hurting others is bad". but then, you come to another problem, because in parallel to that, you have the fact that if some one hurts you, they deserve to suffer. be it by your hands or someone other. so we see, that its not "hurting is bad" but rather "hurting innocent people is bad" and then we reach a situation where you can no longer say that theft is bad because its not inherently bad considering that some one can deserve being robbed

@Cutiemeowie but u had no point lmao. L has every authority to do so. He is higher rank then police and literally has fbi under him. And he was right about misa being 2nd kira

@bait I am saying to those L fans who call light fans as fangirls and evil

@Sarvesh Nathan your point being? He is talking about his ideal of criminal and not his God complex

@Cutiemeowie wtf is your point by bringing l in between?<br>He has all authority to do that and he was actually right. How sad are u?

@Cutiemeowie wtf is your point by bringing l in between?
He has all authority to do that and he was actually right. How sad are u?

i know what you're trying to say, but it's inacurate to try to split between morality and ethic, every moral decision can be classify in 2 category, consequentialism and deontologism. the consequentialism is a moral that only care about the best outcome, whatever how you define it, this is the moral that Ligth Yagami follow, the end justify the means. The deontologism is a moral that follow a strict moral code(like the law, or the bible), or whatever it is, and this is the moral that L follow, trying to enforce the law whatever it is the best thing to do or not.

also a fun fact about death note: Ligth fit the description of a psycopath/sociopath while L fit the description of an asperger

@Norman Stop arguing< everybody has different thoughts and morals

@Norman "i see morality as objective"

How

What is the objective definition of morality,and why is it ?

@Norman The definition of ethics is 'moral principles that govern a persons behavior or the conducting of an activity'. It is not a subjective personal definition, that is what ethics is. I didn't take 5 different business classes and a psychology class in college that all had sections on ethics for someone to tell me that's not the definition of ethics.

@Norman False, ethics is the decisions based upon individual character and a subjective understanding of right and wrong, where morals are a collective understanding of right and wrong. The collective is what decided laws, but the individual is the vigilante. Morals influence somebody's ethical decision making but so does personal experience and reasoning.

Edit: I would like to say that I had it backwards in my original post, morals would say we should uphold the law, while your personal ethics might dictate that it is not evil to kill a murderer.

@Sarvesh Nathan L also tied misa to a wall with steel.

Except Light never truly cared about justice. His real goal was to rule over the world as a powerful god with everyone worshipping him.<br>His wiping out crime was just a means to an end.

Except Light never truly cared about justice. His real goal was to rule over the world as a powerful god with everyone worshipping him.
His wiping out crime was just a means to an end.


Ahh yes, morality is tied to religion:
-The Holy Koran
-The Bhagavad-Gita
-The holy Bible
-The Harry Potter novels

Easy with the edge, kid.<br>Your fedora almost gut cut!

Easy with the edge, kid.
Your fedora almost gut cut!


Walter White would leave a like on this video.


My favorite villain of all time is Van Grants from Tales of the Abyss because he is a villain who lost everything and I can sypthize with him and I very much understand his ideals but his methods are absolutely insane though the heroes at one point even say "We are after the same thing so why must we fight" as eventually the heroes and Van have a similar goal they almost agree with each other but there is still a large divide between them a battle to be fought


jesus christ this video is nothing short of a masterpiece


Is that... An 8-bit cover of White Room???


"There is no such thing as truth in this world. That is our reality. Anyone can become a God or a Devil. All it takes is for someone to claim that to be the truth."- Kruger, Eren

“There is no truth” is a truth claim. It cannot be true because it is a contradiction. There is truth, the human condition is the path to finding it.


Terence fletcher is literally every high level orchestra conductor in the history of orchestra conductors.

I wouldn't say that, not everyone and every place has that kind of person

also the band director from my high school. but he put the screws on me too tight too soon so it just fucked off since i had literally no investment other that to have some fun with music and he wholeheartedly ruined that.


Did you add spy tf2, then a section titled “man vs machine” on purpose?

Btw you forgot an “n”, it’s Mann vs machine


hey g-
SHUT UP JIMMY

5 years later

WHAT IS UR PROBLEM 😭💥💥

society.


I know i'm not the first person to say it, but kinda unfortunately timed.

RIP THE SUPERVILLAIN MF DOOM.
Respect for the description.


Bystander at the Switch isn't supposed to be difficult or complicated. If you're confused whether to pull the lever and redirect the trolley, you're probably just stupid. The trolley problem is about why it's so obvious that you should pull the lever, and yet so obvious that you shouldn't harvest the organs of one person to save five organ failure patients, when numerically it seems like those two dilemmas ought to go the same direction.


But nothing stopped Chigurh. He just had his arm broken, and walked away

@Irfan Spirtovic actually the heroic hero can easily kill chriugh. They are agent of order just like how chigur is agent of fate and maybe chaos.


Emperor Palpatine, Evil as it gets. No one feels sympathy for him, yet one of the most iconic villians.

@Dendi yet he’s in fact a counterpart to the Jedi. He is more of the protagonist. We watch his scheme unfold throughout the prequels. He has a great time being a villain. As if he does it because he can do what he wants

@Dendi That's exactly why Palpatine exists, so that Vader, who at that point was the big bad boss, had a chance to redeem himself by defeating the greater evil.

My opinion <br>It's because vader, palpatine is up there

My opinion
It's because vader, palpatine is up there


"Your whole life, you've been told to be good. But 'good' is only a matter of perspective. Always remember, your enemies think they're doing what's right. They think they're the hero and you're the villain. But now you know the truth. There is no good. There is no bad. Only weak or strong"<br>-John Kreese

"Your whole life, you've been told to be good. But 'good' is only a matter of perspective. Always remember, your enemies think they're doing what's right. They think they're the hero and you're the villain. But now you know the truth. There is no good. There is no bad. Only weak or strong"
-John Kreese

@Rocky Croods Yeah but not serial killers

There is no hero or villain. Just the Protagonist, the person we follow the story of, and the Antagonist to whom we see drive the Protagonist towards their goal in an attempt to stop them.

In order to understand good and bad, right and wrong, you have to fully understand conscience first.

@Theodoяe Kяap <br>I'll be nice and assume you're young. Go look it up on Wikipedia. If that doesn't do it for you, the first Indiana Jones movie is a good pointer. Failing that, ask your parents.

@Theodoяe Kяap
I'll be nice and assume you're young. Go look it up on Wikipedia. If that doesn't do it for you, the first Indiana Jones movie is a good pointer. Failing that, ask your parents.

@A Sneaker what's a nazi and why are nazis bad?

Ngl my friendo, that line would not be out of place coming out of a stereotypical Nazi character. I'm not trying to impune you or anything, but I would suggest you think about the implications of it.

@Patrick what I was trying to say was the reason for laws is because people see different things as moral, and so there has to be something to decide what can and can not go. If I see something as moral, and someone else doesn’t, then there has to be something to decide which a person can do

@Master Skywalker Exactly my point, but laws are not enough to contain some people, so again personal bias is what dictates everyone's thoughts and decisions and that will never be changed.

@Patrick and this fact is what leads us to create laws and rules. Take Thanos for example- till the end, he genuinely believed that he was the hero. He just thought that the Avengers were too ignorant to understand. He even had respect for Tony Stark.

     Without laws, everyone would do what they find moral. And by the definition, it would be. People do not find murder acceptable unless they are on the death row as a serial killer, then people are all for killing them.

Laws and rules do not define morality, opinions and feelings do.

There is good and there is bad but none of us are unbiased enough to tell each of them apart, what some man sees as acceptable other will see as an immoral act.

I agree with Mr. Kreese until the last statement. There is no good or bad, only simians acting they way their programming tells them to.


“Evil is only seen in the eye of the beholder”

@Un Sombrero Guy cualquiera No, it's about Man vs Society

@Ellis A most of joker versions were said to torture Jason Turing him into red hood I would understand the newest version but he is also crazy even if he did suffer from the abuse doesn’t make it right to murder people like in the end scene lol

@Un Sombrero Guy cualquiera I don’t think being a sociopath makes you evil...

@Fire Blade no, he is not, he is just some psycopath

@Fire Blade except for villians like Joker, Kefka, Arvis and others


Joker: literally tortures Jason

People: Yeah I forgive him

Joker: *literally tortures Jason*

People: Yeah I forgive him

@Stella Newton Joker: strips her and takes pictures

People: But it’s not technically rape!!!!

@Exzyyd wasn't the title of a story also "The Killing Joke"? And I see your point. I can't remember the plot that well to argue. Although, I think, that what he said at the end has actually two interpretations, like, both batman and joker can represent the both lunatics from the asylum and this shows, how much they're alike (well, sort of). That makes the joke - their similarity and the need to guide eachother (in their opinion) to the more appropriate path. [sorry for my bad english]

@Stella Newton That wasnt the killing joke though? The joke is what he says to Batman at the end when they both laugh.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend him paralyzing Barbara. It's just a lot of the target audience relates to watching a man slowly go insane as his life falls apart due to things completely out of his control.
In that same story Joker solitudes to Batman saying it's too late for him to be helped. Most people aren't that far gone but are probably worried it could happen.
That's why people like the Joker. He's usually just a normal person that doesn't have to act normal anymore and accepts the chaos of the world

@Mariana Zavala-Camacho TLDR: people relate to joker because you get what you fucking deserve. Society treats people like trash and so they can reap what they sow.

Joker: Shoots Barbara Gordon and paralyses her

People: That was a killing joke, man, so funny

@connflicts I'm not talking about the Joker. We need to understand what the villain's backstory so we can learn how they become who they are.

@connflicts Villains aren't supposed to be relatable, but being understandable.

@Kryptonian King55<br>Bro Comic Joker isn't disabled he's just a psychopath and Pheonix Joker is the disabled one

@Kryptonian King55
Bro Comic Joker isn't disabled he's just a psychopath and Pheonix Joker is the disabled one

No,I wouldnt blame the society.Not all people are like that,I saw many people cared for the disabled people in this world.I have a friend who literally born with only one hand and he constantly get bullied for that.But he doesnt hate the bullies,because he knows that they also have their own problem.He believe they can change.He believe that despite all the  bad thing that exist  in this world,theres also kindness.Humanity is flawed,and it wont fixed itself overnight.Thats why we need to work hard to improve ourselves and our lives.

@Mariana Zavala-Camacho<br>Phoenix's Joker and Snyder Cut Joker yes we can all feel bad for, but for the other Jokers? No way.

@Mariana Zavala-Camacho
Phoenix's Joker and Snyder Cut Joker yes we can all feel bad for, but for the other Jokers? No way.

@connflicts did you not watch until the end lol

I know right, Joker is NOTHING like zuko and these other villains.. joker is just being evil for the sake of being evil and the fact that people find him "relateable" is profound

@Giant Pink Cat probably why joker is my dad’s favorite character

Joker: abuses Harley Quinn

People: He's so relatable!

Joker: *abuses Harley Quinn*

People: He's so relatable!


One of the greatest nuanced villains in fiction has to be Johan from Monster, his ideology is kind of similar with  Chigurh's, triving his actions paciently and creating order within chaos in society, but for me the difference is that he is constantly triyng to challenge fate itself, walking over the lines between life and death, not only that but his curiosity in nihilism and what it could do with people.
Johan whole perspective into humanity can be summed up by his quote,
"The only time where humans are equal is in death".


Just look at my name. Who do you think I grew up liking more?


A villain would be like Palpatine, Darkseid, and Shredder <br>An Antagonist would be like Zuko, Baldur, and Vergil.

A villain would be like Palpatine, Darkseid, and Shredder
An Antagonist would be like Zuko, Baldur, and Vergil.

14 year old wattpad readers can't tell the difference

Yeah, villains do bad things when they want to

Antoganists usually do bad things when they have to

Yeah, villains do bad things when they *want* to

Antoganists usually do bad things when they *have* to


“There are no two words in the English language more harmful than good job.”

Luckily I say “good jorb,” then.

I'd say consolation prize, as you didn't even have to try just show up to win...

I say "Good job, but not good job enough"


how does a guy who used to make youtube poops come to make philosophical big brain videos that relates to everyone and lover by all

Something tells me Stuart K still hates emp’s content to this day


"We live in a society"-some random girl who if she was a dropped in some acid it would balance the pH

@intestinal obstruction gaming who the hell is steve jobs?

@ShinerCCC no, she's cringe in a way that makes her cringe. but if you're cringe in a way that makes you based, then you are based
here's the equations:
cringe + cringe = cringe
based + cringe = cringe
based + based = based
cringe + based = based


How dare you talk about bowser like that he nice guy and good dad


21:50 the moment I realised it was whit room by cream


1:32 "Our morality is determined by whatever religious or spiritual code we grew up with."
I love it how Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone is along the religious texts 😂


Eren (AOT)

just wait till ya see the end


I'm actually plotting out villains for my story that I hope will make it to the mainstream media. You should do more videos like this


But… zuko isn’t the villain… ozai and Azula are


You know you've grown up when you start to understand the villain

I still don’t understand killer moth tho<br>why did he become a villain? he says he’s a guardian angel that protects villains but why? why killer moth? why?

I still don’t understand killer moth tho
why did he become a villain? he says he’s a guardian angel that protects villains but why? why killer moth? why?

Fact

Wait i watched a WWII documentary.

Fact

Wait i watched a WWII documentary.


falling down is  a movie all about how the so called villain is not in the wrong either and shows his side of what a outcast to society is


Eric Cartman is the ultimate villian as a protaganist


you know the guy has some contacts when the devil talks about evil.


6:30 I think a sympathetic monster plot could really work. A game i played recently, Carrion, is a game where you play from the perspective on the creepy monster. Its really fun because it really puts you in the head of these monsters. You might think "why are these monsters so creepy? They sneak into the shadows and then drag people away into the darkness. " And in playing the game you are basically forced to act like this. You have to sneak around and then drag people into your hiding spot, because otherwise you're out in the open and you're going to be attacked.
Its not entirely sympathetic, because the motivation of the monster is kind of interpretive, you can imagine yourself to be a monster thats just eating people for the fun of it, or you can think of yourself as a monster who just wants to live like a human, and your goal throughout the game is to get that life back, or something more sinister. Its really interesting how the game's story doesnt make that explicit.
So i imagine something like this could translate to a film as well.

6:30 I think a sympathetic monster plot could really work. A game i played recently, Carrion, is a game where you play from the perspective on the creepy monster. Its really fun because it really puts you in the head of these monsters. You might think "why are these monsters so creepy? They sneak into the shadows and then drag people away into the darkness. " And in playing the game you are basically *forced* to act like this. You have to sneak around and then drag people into your hiding spot, because otherwise you're out in the open and you're going to be attacked.
Its not entirely sympathetic, because the motivation of the monster is kind of interpretive, you can imagine yourself to be a monster thats just eating people for the fun of it, or you can think of yourself as a monster who just wants to live like a human, and your goal throughout the game is to get that life back, or something more sinister. Its really interesting how the game's story doesnt make that explicit.
So i imagine something like this could translate to a film as well.


I’m distracted by the Super Mario Galaxy soundtrack.


The Movie 'Falling Down' is a great take on the perspective on how a rea-life/relatable villain comes to be. I've seen many reviews on the film and have seen it a few times so this is unnecessary but for you to give a take on it would be splendid!


General Barkov: kills civilians, uses gas

hmm yes, sympathy for Barkov

General Barkov: *kills civilians, uses gas*

*hmm yes, sympathy for Barkov*

the only guy you could feel sympathetic was for Menendez in BO2

@Onkel Irohs Jasmin Tee COD knows it's place as casual mindless shooter and serves it well. I don't blame people for wanting or partaking in a mindless escape if they want. COD hate is kinda overblow, saying this as someone who hasn't played and doesn't own a COD title that's less than a decade old and plays tac/milsim shooters.

Ye CoD knows their fans, people dont play CoD for an intriguing storyline, people play it for the gameplay and one dimensional Russian bad guys are perfectly fine for that type of story.

I would not except a cod mw reference here , but its cool i like it .


I love how you included Robbie Rotten in your preface lol


i think he should have added jojo rabbit


Also, this is an extremely thorough and well done analysis on certain villains. I wouldn't be surprised if high school teachers or college professors used this in their classrooms to help teach it. Well done


Yin and yang are the ultimate opposition. One can't exist without the other.


Sometimes I forgot Zuko was even a villain, that’s how good of a villain he was.

@Elizabeth Gatchell Technically he is, but antagonist is a more appropriate term to use.

I mean "villain" is a more harsh way to call the antagonist, which Zuko obviously is. He isn't evil. Antagonist would a more appropriate term for him, but "villain", while being able to be seen as cruel, is nothing more than the antagonist.

Yeah, I just saw him as a child who’s emotions switched so much he couldn’t tell what part of himself was real or fake

I never thought of him as really a villain, he’s just an angry teen who has no way of expressing it in a healthy way, his character is so deeply complex and simple at the same time, his motive is clear and understandable but he as a person is so interesting.


22:49 dude, holy shit. I didn't even think about it, but all of my favorite videos by you focus on villians. Definitely gave me chills.

Good villains are hard to come by and hard to appreciate.


"The treaty of Versailles is just a temporary ceasefire accumulating towards another greater war"
- Some general I forgot the name

Reading into that treaty made it easier for someone (Hitler) to use the mob and enact his motives in the justification of victimhood/revenge

"This is not peace, this is an armistace for 20 years" - Ferdinand Foch


I can't believe the same man who made Spongebob YouTube poops made such a serious and well made critique on villains. You've come so far :)


I have two things to say, one: why was Hades in the examples of Satan?<br>2: you don't need to be relatable to be memorable, the main antagonist of the last airbender is actually a good example, because his actions and how he acts made him memorable, that mark on zuko, his father made it. He was responsible for one of the protagonists defining things.

I have two things to say, one: why was Hades in the examples of Satan?
2: you don't need to be relatable to be memorable, the main antagonist of the last airbender is actually a good example, because his actions and how he acts made him memorable, that mark on zuko, his father made it. He was responsible for one of the protagonists defining things.


I’m so glad someone talked about No Country for Old Men, it’s one of my favorite movies ever.


YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG IN EVERYTHING!!!

it is called "sympathy for the devil" and is being performed best by the rolling stones !


This is unironically one of the greatest youtube videos of all time. Emp, you are amazing!


no matter how many times i watch this i cant stop returning its such a mind boggling concept that he presents, its quite amazing he went from ytp, some of the crudest stuff you could find on youtube, to such amazing view changing videos like this


The content was awesome, but I just wanna point out how perfectly executed your transitions are. Definitely an A+ from my high school english teacher just for that.


Zuko was my favorite character as soon as I saw the first flashback. He was just a good kid so desperate to get back his honor that he did horrible things.


Yin and Yang is like Mind and Heart, one can not live without the other, and if one of them have an imbalance . . . YOURE FUCKED LMFAO GG

It actually kind of reminds me of a bit of Christian theology regarding the source of sin among man. Rather than a myth of a serpent and a fruit, it is said that man's heart is the spring from which passions arise. And these passions are what drive men to sin. Satan's very name means "the tempter", and you can't be tempted unless you actually do want it deep down inside. If you were to remove these passions you'd be unhappy, but if you removed your mind and morality you would become like an animal and be fully slave to your desires. It's further theological teachings that say you simply must learn to  control yourself and moderate your passions.<br>Not to spark any "lively discussions" about religion, I don't really care what any of you believe as long as I'm left be and nobody's ever been converted by holy flame wars, but I felt it relevant to the video and its discussion.

It actually kind of reminds me of a bit of Christian theology regarding the source of sin among man. Rather than a myth of a serpent and a fruit, it is said that man's heart is the spring from which passions arise. And these passions are what drive men to sin. Satan's very name means "the tempter", and you can't be tempted unless you actually do want it deep down inside. If you were to remove these passions you'd be unhappy, but if you removed your mind and morality you would become like an animal and be fully slave to your desires. It's further theological teachings that say you simply must learn to  control yourself and moderate your passions.
Not to spark any "lively discussions" about religion, I don't really care what any of you believe as long as I'm left be and nobody's ever been converted by holy flame wars, but I felt it relevant to the video and its discussion.

The world yin and yang seems imbalanced.


Evil is a word used for those who failed to be good


alternate title: How to spoil a dozen movies in a single video

it a in-depth video analysis wtf did expect come into this

How is he to explain villains if he can't go into depth with them?

Why are you even here if that’s the case?


Zuko was never really The Villain. An antagonist, to be sure, but the show almost immediately provides us with enough information to know that he isn't the true villain. We are told, within a few episodes, that he is looking for the Avatar so he can capture him and take him to someone else.

An antagonist IS a villain and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot that knows nothing about writing a character. Plus Zuko is a type of villain known as a Reformed Villain because the show reveals that there are people who are and have done so much worse than him but yeah it took this Iroh guy to finally talk some sense into him though the main cast still needed some time to adjust to him considering their past encounters.


“Every villain is the hero of their own story” -Bruce Wayne


I love well written videos such as yours and coreAgaming. Very insightful and has merit


Emperor Lemon went from a YouTube pooper to an amazing commentator/philosopher.


this is the greatest and most complex and in depth breakdown of basically anything ever (not to deal too much in extremes lol), i think we should show every teen this video to help them start to build their own realistic sense of morality to get through life instead of the good guy bad guy narrative that’s hammered into us as kids<br>very well made video too 👌

this is the greatest and most complex and in depth breakdown of basically anything ever (not to deal too much in extremes lol), i think we should show every teen this video to help them start to build their own realistic sense of morality to get through life instead of the good guy bad guy narrative that’s hammered into us as kids
very well made video too 👌


Your ability to transition between topics is amazing.GREAT CONTENT


I often find myself sympathizing or feeling bad for the villian even when i feel like o shouldn't. My usual reasoning is that they didn't have to die and could've been reformed.

The true evil mastermind villain is the one that causes villains to happen


My mom recently pointed out to me that ever since I was really young I’ve always rooted for the villain… there’s exceptions like Lord of the Rings and most movies where the protagonist is an anti hero like Wolverine and shit like that


One of the greatest villains often forgotten is Ozymandias from Watchmen. Killed millions to save billions with a huge squid.


"you either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain "


As much as I love a good Villain I loved this video essay 💖


I love the use of the eight bit sympathy for the devil great job


this was such a good and well done video I can't believe it was in my watch later for as long as it was


Really liked the 8bit sympathy for the devil coming in at the relevant part of the video


One of my favourite tropes in fiction is that of The Complete Monster, which is marked by TV Tropes. It's a very complicated trope to define but basically it's mostly villains who lack Empathy.


This video was amazing I love how it covered man vs man, man vs self and man vs world. I wonder if I’m one of these villains or am I just an asshole, ya know? Haha


zuko is one of my favorite villans of all time because of his relatability and how the redemption arc makes a lot of sense


I truly admire the way how Shingeki no Kyojin makes you question what's good and bad. The more you know, the more your approach changes, nothing's really black or white.


It's really entertaining seeing those infographs on stats or laws of countries and seeing how horrendously wrong they are.<br>Killing dogs in Libya for consumption isn't a thing btw, as a Muslim country it's completely frowned upon.

It's really entertaining seeing those infographs on stats or laws of countries and seeing how horrendously wrong they are.
Killing dogs in Libya for consumption isn't a thing btw, as a Muslim country it's completely frowned upon.


This video is legitimately good. Like, I've watched this most of the times that it's been in my recommended just because I like to watch it


1 of my absolute favorite videos on YouTube.


The most dexterous villains are in pro wrestling. It only takes one interview for a long time hero to turn on the fans and boom, instant villain. Then, they need only come out during a hero's match and help them win and boom, all is forgiven.


If ya'll want to see a GREAT, complex villain/antihero with an amazing character arc, you should check out Buffy the Vampire Slayer. And watch until the very end of season 7. I won't spoil who it is about, but it affected me just as strongly as Zuko's arc, if not even more so, because it actually made me cry.


I loved that "Sympathy for the Devil" played in the BG while you were talking about Evil and the Devil lol


"Whats the most you've ever lost in a coin toss?"

bout 5 bucks and dibs on asking out a cute girl


I would never know my destiny if my uncle didn't guide me...


I saw Joker with my father who is a massive joker fan especially heath ledgers portrayal of him anyway when the movie ended I went to clap but I stopped myself and asked myself should I I told my father that and he said no that’s not a movie you clap to and ya know what there wasn’t a single clap in the entire theatre when the movie ended it was amazing everybody was just silent got up and walked out it was truly a one of a kind movie


my entire life I never realised that the word "devil" has the word "evil" in it until I saw this video


I've watched this 3 times and its good every time.


god damn, why is this video so satisfying


This single video made me want more from you


Sympathy for the devil was such a good choice.


the hero of the story depends on the person telling the story


The most terrifying aspect of the joker isn't that we enjoyed watching him kill but because deep within us we know that we are, every single one of us, at any time only one bad day away from becoming him.


All I will say is, this was a good video.


Dude the sympathy for the devil remix in the background Is amazing


You forgot all of the "villains" in naruto. Almost all of them linked with each other and almost all of them did what they did because of pain in there past and to bring about peace how they saw it necessary. One prime example is Itachi Uchiha, at the age of 13 he made the decision to kill his clan to protect hundreds of women and children but  be viewed as a criminal for the rest of his life. Another one is pain he wanted to bring peace the way he thought was right.

Ah yes, the most late backstory in Naruto, so late that people dropped the show before the flashback


4:21 Deathstroke is an iconic scarred villain too.


Chighur is just a bad day.<br>Also, I disagree that psychopaths have something extra that "normal humans" lack. It seems more logical to say that they lack something that most people have. It's much more rational to look at another creature that you may have to shoot and imagine the pain they would experience. That pain is what they will experience. If you look at someone and think, "I wouldn't want that to happen to me. That looks like it would hurt, therefore I shouldn't do it to them" is pretty close to an objective description.

Chighur is just a bad day.
Also, I disagree that psychopaths have something extra that "normal humans" lack. It seems more logical to say that they lack something that most people have. It's much more rational to look at another creature that you may have to shoot and imagine the pain they would experience. That pain is what they will experience. If you look at someone and think, "I wouldn't want that to happen to me. That looks like it would hurt, therefore I shouldn't do it to them" is pretty close to an objective description.


In my opinion characters can be evil but have purpose. If a character enjoys killing and has no real reason expect for the fact they love to kill is evil.
My favorite examples of this is narutos world. Most naruto villains have a reason why they do the things they do.
Example of evil: Hidan
He has no backstory so maybe he does have a reason butttt for the most part he seems to kill for the pleasure


2:28 For those of you who want to know: It is illegal to kill dogs in Chile. (And cats)


You should used childhood vs adulthood that’s one of those on how to become the villain.


To gain sympathy for the villain they have to have a relatable goal. they only become “evil” or “the villain” when the actions they take to get there directly juxtapose “the hero”, and you gain sympathy when you realize you would take those same actions for that same goal.


I think the best "anti-hero" or villain. William Foster from Falling Down.


I do have to refute that in the movie Bob/Mr.Incredible says that he signed autographs, etc. for Buddy on many occasions. He DID provide returns on Buddy's devotion, as much as and possibly more than a celebrity dealing with a fan who has formed an obsessive parasocial relationship with someone that, at the core, they don't really know. Buddy's interest in Mr. Incredible did not stop at a reasonable point but continued til he, a minor, put himself deliberately in danger while interrupting major confrontations between empowered heroes and villains. While he does have a valid point about the bias for naturally empowered heroes over those who made their own way via cunning and visible effort (making tech for example), the methods he chose started as dangerous and questionable and became outright murderous.

Following the thread lore-wise, presumably Buddy had parents and/or guardians somewhere who should have been encouraging healthier attitudes and choices and stopping him from doing the things he did, and the absence of that kind of presence in his life may explain the choices he made. But Mr. Incredible himself cannot be held responsible for the choices Buddy made from what we've seen. By what we are shown and told in canon, he plays to Buddy as he would for any fan; he removes Buddy from the scene of a dangerous confrontation in a socially accepted responsible way; and then he's interrupted during a dangerous situation by Buddy and manages to save the lives of dozens of people even with the interference, if not perfectly.

Obviously Buddy was not an adult and could not be expected to act or bear responsibility in the way an adult is expected to, but Bob is not his father, not his teacher, not anyone except a celebrity who has tried to meet a fan in the middle only for the fan to continually step back.

....didn't mean for that to get so long lmao

Exactly. As Eddache recently said in his "One Villainous Scene" video, Buddy is a fanatic that CLEARLY overstepped his boundaries and Mr. Incredible had all the damn rights to tell him to piss off.
When you're a fan, it's ALWAYS a one-way relationship, the person you adore owes you nothing and if they don't like you, you gotta accept it. Think if you were in their shoes.

And fans of Syndrome use the "Now you respect me because I'm a threat!" moment as some kind of glorious victory against Bob who's perceived as some kind of fake good guy who is only sorry when he's in danger... but Bob is just acting like how you'd act if some maniac was in the position of harming you.
I mean... If some wacko enters your house without permission for the millionth time, you kick him out and tell him to fuck off.
But if that guy comes back with a gun pointed at you, OBVIOUSLY you'd act submissive and not say things that would make him pull the trigger.


When you put a guy with a redemption arc to the right of the thumbnail and one with a corruption arc to the left


an example that immediately came to mind for me in a machine villain is the A.I known as sigma. he was ambitious and creative and was very interested in a.i rampancy specifically the last step metastability. where an a.i can be considered human. sigma influenced his assigned agent to kill other people with a.i and steal those a.i to become metastable, but in the end all he wanted was to become human


I realized this
As a kid your more likely to relate to the hero because it's clear to your mind of what light and dark but as you grew older you start to realize light and dark are fuzzing into eachother plus at this point you'll start to understand the villain's motives
For me it's only when I started playing the division (a game that says tom clancy on it but it isn't made by tom clancy) and reading about Aaron Keener and the LMB, yes I do agree being left behide is a fucked up move you shouldn't do to anyone, this shaped them into cold hearted killers
I really love the backstory of a antagonist and would love to hear about it, hell I am starting to make a series based on the theory of there being a multiverse like multiple earth's, suns, moon's and galaxy's, so far I have
Female that lost a home a long time ago
A dude thinking what he is doing is the right thing
A Prince that feels lost after being beat by the hero and at the very end of his journey, realizing what he has done and...
A Man that keeps on destroying universes so he hasn't have to be alone


Yin and Yang is the embodiment of Order. I feel it shouldn’t be shown as Chaos vs Order, no no no No; I believe yin and yang is suppose to be the relationship between Chaos and Order, it’s more like Yin + Yang. They shouldn’t be designated without each other because it would be too lawful or too chaotic, basically, it’s your grandma that has rules but allows more (Considerably) bad actions like eating milk and cookies for lunch without vitamins or protein: or maybe something like your grandma letting you stay up past 10:00. Yin and Yang is not designated to a rivalry, they swim together in unison and have a relationship together


I disagree. Villains who do evil because they are evil can be interesting and memorable just as their counterpart. You said in this video "who remember Malificent?" Well, EVERYONE WHO KNOWS DIANEY. The joker from the dark knight is not given any motivation besides "chaos", yet he is one of the most memorable villains. Or the joker from BTA. What about Megatron? The green goblin?<br>Those villains are memorable because the way they're written, and the personality they're given, not necessarily because we can sympathize with them.

I disagree. Villains who do evil because they are evil can be interesting and memorable just as their counterpart. You said in this video "who remember Malificent?" Well, EVERYONE WHO KNOWS DIANEY. The joker from the dark knight is not given any motivation besides "chaos", yet he is one of the most memorable villains. Or the joker from BTA. What about Megatron? The green goblin?
Those villains are memorable because the way they're written, and the personality they're given, not necessarily because we can sympathize with them.


5:13 "There's no doubt Zuko suffers more than any other character in the series"
Azula:


love to see mf doom the illest villain cameo


Ok let me get this a man who beaten a child to death for two years and exploded a hospital with hundreds of people dying.then a man killing people on talk shows.Then you are telling me that hes misunderstood what the hell man


What about venom? He was originally portrayed as a villain as well then he got his own movie wich he seems to be the good guy in


1:37 "Whatever religious or spiritual code you grew up with.."
Yes Harry Potter is my religion


Every villain has their very own backstory, its either be made and created or born and embrace it


Welcome my son,
welcome to the machine
where have you been?
it's alright we know where you been


Almost everyone can remember being chased by a sabre cat


What about two real life villains Joseph Stalin or Adolf Hitler. Heroes to some people and the bad guy to others.


the difference between a villain and a hero is one bad day


Terence Fletcher reminds me of Hartman from Full Metal Jacket.


Sympathy for the Villain: Joker (2019), Joker (2019).. You get it... That movie was just sad


Okay I haven't watched the video yet but I had to<br>"Sympathy for the villain?" more like "SIMPathy for the villain"

Okay I haven't watched the video yet but I had to
"Sympathy for the villain?" more like "SIMPathy for the villain"


thanks, now I won't sleep without crying


1:35 "whatever religious or spiritual code we grew up with"
Shows Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone


Another villain Man vs etc
The Joker "Man vs Society"

I know it.


A great example, loghain in dragon age. Loghain wasnt the villain


haven't you thought that this structure of duality is what makes up the world? good vs evil, you know that good must win because its good. but you cant have good without bad, and bad without good. you cant have hot without cold or cold without hot. we live in a duality of  on/off or yes/no you cant have one without the other because they are the same, just like the sides of a coin. if we didn't have this duality, how would you know what is hot from cold, or how would you know what is good from bad, if you never seen what bad is, how would you know what is bad.


Hey, how about a quick follow up - Psycho Pass?

There's other series/books that cover the same thing

But it is truly fascinating to think about

:edit: Also the villain thing, I consider Mr. Manhattan to be a villain, because he killed Rorschach - that was not evil, but it was definitely wrong. People deserve to know everything. No one should be able to control people in that way.


22:55 - 23:10 that's just the idea Megamind was trying to get across.


Okay I love the video, but you can't say people forgot about Maleficent. She's still one of Disney's most iconic villains because of how well animated and voiced she is. Cruella, Scar, Jafar and plenty other villains in their catologue are just as reverred. If we wanna refer to their live action versions, yeah you have a point, those movies are pretty forgotten (and rightfully so). I'll grant you that they aren't as morally complex as the examples you analyzed, but they are entertaining to a lot of people.


You know I don't even know how many times I've watched Avatar The last Airbender every time I see a video involving zuko I just can't help myself book three here I come.


Emp, you likely will not see this, but I’d rather write on the chance that you do rather than say nothing and be certain that you don’t. I’ve watched this video at least 8 times now and it’s never any less impactful. You are so intelligent and well spoken. I seriously cannot thank you enough creating the content that you do. This video has helped me to better understand things in both fiction and in the real world, and truly puts into perspective how closely related fiction and life really are. After all, the only beings we know of that think abstractly are ourselves. So who better to create compelling stories than us humans? Thanks again Emp, I appreciate your work so very much.


Kind of paradoxical to feel for the villains. we often see empathy as a virtue, but its empathy that helps us connect with villains. while those without empathy don't connect with them. so basically if you don't feel empathy for a villain, you are a villain (atleast in the eyes of society)


Gabriel from ULTRAKILL is an amazing villain


I like the left 4 dead 2 music when you were discussing about chigurh lol, i did not expect it to be there


With mr incredible there seems to be a huge difference between him and Helen when Bob came to a young start up hero he shunned him when Helen was in the same scenario in the second movie with void, she didn’t shun void, she helped her a hero isn’t a hero just for saving the day and fucking off you also have to actually be a decent human being and Bob just isn’t….at all


Interessante.
Peguei a maior parte da ideia mesmo que a legenda esteja um pouco confusa.
Reforçou e acrescentou mais nas ideias que ja tinha, mas em um nivel bem mais profundo.
Não tinha ideia de como todo vilão pode ter seu paralelo e relação como você construiu neste video.

A verdade é que bem e mal são conceitos relativos e subjuntivos.


0:57 , hah, I root for the bad guys but as per usual they lose -~-


There is a real life hero becoming villian. In 2014, nobody epected the Mercedes AMG F1 team to suddenly rise to the top. We also have seen Lewis Hamilton performed well in McLaren. They went to score world title that year. Then another year. Then another. Hamilton was a hero. Fast forward to 2019, we got bored of Lewis. Not only he kept winning, but some of the wins were team orders, favouring Hamilton over Botas. Hamilton also denied Albon's podium... twice. Now everybody is rooting Hamilton to lose.


I don’t want to be the protagonist in or antagonist I just want to be a background character


I'm surprised Killmonger from Black Panther wasn't on this video. All he wanted was peace for his people.


I think that the joker is a really good movie and the real message of the movie is literally the exact opposite of uncles using it


Can we all agree that Micah Bell is a super hatable character


Bouta watch this for a 2nd time, fight me


You think that what makes the Joker iconic is...his RELATABILITY????  There are no words...

@DANIEL the latest iteration is the only one that is "relatable".  Joker is iconic because of his gleeful psychopathy.  He's practically made the character type archetypical.  He's in no way some misunderstood noble guy.

what do you think makes the joker iconic?


Joker from “Joker” has absolutely freaking nothing on Zuko.


H.P and Zuck share a disturbing resemblance


the vilain is not the worst guy it depends on which part of the story you are on


i dont hate villans<br>bcs they had a sad past wich i understand why their doing it rn

i dont hate villans
bcs they had a sad past wich i understand why their doing it rn


Is the epitome of evil - Satan, once a glorious angel of the light, a result of nurture, neglect, competition or necessity?


You made a sympathetic villain video but you didn’t address AoSTH Robotnik, Asgore, or Goro Akechi? How in the world could ya miss that?


What is the name of the classical piece used in the sequence talking about Zuko (Man vs Self)?


We are all villains at one point or another who need a hero and that's jesus we all fall short this whole world is  upside down pointing  fingers at each other saying I never did that or I would never do that and how could someone ever think of doing that! there the bad guys and were the good guys all crap the worst of the worst can be saved u may never forgive them but jesus will and this life is short asf 60 years of torture from imperfect humans is nothing compared to hell and feeling the wrath of a perfect god  forever!


hold on is that description a DOOM reference?


Right after the 12:55 crash I got an Uber ad and I'm scared


18:10 I wish he mentioned Light From Death Note here


1:36: Ah yes, the religion of Harry Potter


No wait…. In the beginning around 3:00 it’s literally Mario 64 music in the background LMAO


1:37 ah, yes. the religiousness of harry potter


5 months ago, the meme was that long ago....


Honestly thought I would see Madara here.


2:58 Yes?????? What are you talking about she's iconic?????????


(Major spoilers for both Red Dead Redemption games)

I'd call Dutch Van Der Linde a hero turned villain, even though he is in a gang who robbed and kill people who get in their way he treats the rest of the gang as his family, if it weren't for Dutch, Marston and Morgan could've died early in their lives, Dutch wanted to escape society with his family and Dutch lost a loved one in his life. With the age of outlaws coming to an end due to the Government, Dutch had a plan to go to Tahiti to escape the law, but it goes downhill and it gets worse. Due to his head injury in Saint Denis, Dutch slowly went crazy and the big contributions that made it worse were the death of Hosea and Micah controlling Dutch. If Hosea was alive he probably could've talked Dutch out of his nonsense and stood against Micah with Arthur. As Dutch goes crazy his plans become more disagreeable he also disagrees with Arthur's plans and actions and also mostly listens to Micah. After the events of RDR2 Dutch becomes an antagonist, he probably sweet talked his way to the Skinner Brothers and became their leader and his new gang causes problems in Blackwater. Dutch just became another obstacle Marston had to go through to reunited with his family. Dutch's final words are "Our time has passed, John"
that's why Dutch is one of my favorite villains.


I only remember Maleficent because of the Maleficent movie


That background music at 0:01 goes hard. What’s the song?


He sounded so much like mark hamill why he said darth vader


6:39: "All men and women are made equal by... You know, uh... -Joeseph Biden


A fuckin chiptoon version of a Chicago song my dad used to listen to in man vs society


Ironically, Satan according to the Quran used to serve Allah. Long stroy short when Allah created humans Satan didnt like that and i guess betrayed Allah<br>This is more of a short explanation and i do accept people who want to correct me.

Ironically, Satan according to the Quran used to serve Allah. Long stroy short when Allah created humans Satan didnt like that and i guess betrayed Allah
This is more of a short explanation and i do accept people who want to correct me.


what about loki? what does he fall under?


Askeladd from Vinland Saga comes to mind, he starts off villainous and you hate him for what he does but as the show progresses you understand his motivations to the point he becomes sympathetic and you realise he was merely an antagonist.

@Zulfburht To be fair he was kind of an amalgamation of mentor, father figure, villain, antagonist, that's why he's a great character, very layered.

Honestly he was more of a mentor, who taught with a hands off approach. But rather he was in a way a father figure of sorts to Thorfinn, through the use of tough love.


After watching this, it made me look at villains in a complete different light. This probably is the best discussions about villains I’ve ever heard...


what do you mean maleficent was forgettable?


"Maybe the real society was the friends we made along the way" - some offly funny fellow


the begining reminds me of that vsauce episode of whats the brightest thing in the universe


Another point on the sympathy for the villain is when the protagonist becomes the villain or hero vs self. A good example is spider man 3 or star wars revenge of the sith. We see the corruption of the hero as their fears and vulnerabilities being used to turn against themselves, essentially becoming the "thing they swore to destroy". E.g Anakin killing the jedi to save padme and peter embracing venom in his times of hardship for more power at the cost of his true self. It can also be shown how the villain redemes themeselves and becomes the hero again after realising what they had done, when darth vader reverts to anakin after his sons pleas and kills palpatine and peter defeating venom.This shows how the protagonist becomes the villain. Keeping the balance of ying and yang.

This can be flipped by villains/heros aka antiheros such as guts from beserk or the punisher. Where the protagonist is both ying and yang and not two seperate characters playing one or the other. These antiheros blur the line between hero and villain as seen by the punisher taking justice into his own hands and guts killing for his own goals. These antiheros show that not all protagonists are firmly set on being moraly superior, which in a normal story sets apart the hero and the villain even if they have the same goal of peace e.g. anakins view on peace is where the galaxy is under control and obi wan wanting democracy. It shows how the hero can do the acts of a villain if it furthers the overarching goal which we see as good. However without the goal the antihero becomes the villain.

Loved the video emplemon just thought about more or the man vs blank analogies you were using.

Except for the part where Anakin is a horrible character. How do you go, in a few hours, from being ashamed of killing your annoying superior to murdering a bunch of children without a second thought?

Another example I can think of a protagonist that by the end of the story becomes a terrifying villain is Dr. Weir from "Event Horizon". I know the ship itself is haunted, but he did create it and he succumbs to his inner demons and psychological trauma that are elevated by the entity that haunts the ship. I feel sorry for the guy, he just wanted to create a warp drive device and help humanity prosper, instead he created a gateway to hell that uses the suicide of his wife to corrupt him.


Yin and Yang isn't just one thing but all things.

Good vs Bad
one vs all
Man vs Animals
 yes vs no
Life vs Death
Villains vs Heroes
Light vs Dark
Nature vs Human
Chaos vs Order
Revenge vs Forgivness
Strong vs weak.
me vs you
support vs hate
Heads vs Tails
Happiness vs Sadness
God vs Mortal


I like the Left 4 Dead music in the background