Watching this video reminds me of how my psychiatrist and therapist talked about how close I was to becoming a monster. The sheer amount of mental issues I have and combined with the horrors I've been subjected to on behalf of my hallucinations should've made me a stone cold, cruel, homicidal psychopath. But 2 things stopped it all. My family and the fact that it wasn't until the age of 10 that my issues fully materialized.

My parents always loved me and did everything they could to help me succeed. They made sure that I knew how proud they were of me (especially after finding out how much suffering my issues caused me). My little brother was someone I had to look out for and be a role model for so it forced me to keep everything in check as much as I could. Combine my family with having 10 yrs to grow up and feel the love of and for my family and it made me able to deal with the next 17 yrs of never ending torture.

Between the suicidal depression, nonstop 1000's of voices whispering in ears, multiple personalities, severe disassociate disorder (I never felt like I belong anywhere/that I'm not human in a sense), and the matrix like hallucinations of spending 30,000 to 5 million yrs being tortured in hell a day (at least 5 days a week for 17 yrs) multiple therapists and psychiatrists have wondered "How are you still alive?"

Luckily in 2017 I finally found meds that help my depression which had a drastic affect on my other issues. The voices are quieter, my multiple personalities are more like brothers now, and the hallucinations are of living out different lives across time and space. Now my biggest issue is simply living. I always planned on suicide at 30 and now I have at least another 30 ahead of me. For so long it was just "make it another day" but now what? What do I do?

TLDR: Suffer from a ton of crippling mental issues that should have made me a psychopath but due to them emerging at 10 yrs old and an amazing family I was able to power through it. Now 30 yrs old and finally have a grasp on said issues with meds and have no idea what to do since I always planned on suicide at 30.

@Cthulhu No, don't be sorry. I'm glad you understand what the problem is. That is the first and potentially greatest step. Now you know where you can begin and what you can do to help yourself. When I finally found meds that worked I one day woke up and was depressed anymore. That moment broke me and I cried for harder than I ever had. After that I took it all one step at a time cause that's all we can really do. I hope the best for you and know that it all takes time.

@A very average desk in 2019. I am doing well now a days. The problem is now dealing with daily life after knowing that I was going to die. I didn't need to plan because my time was set. Now I spend hours in a dark room just listening to the wonderful silence. It's nice to enjoy small things now a days.

Sorry how cryptic this all sounds but I'm drinking with my  little brother now.

I feel like I can relate in some way despite, in my opinion, not having that many mental issues as you did. I'm autistic, high functioning, have OCD and extreme social anxiety caused by attempts at socializing that never worked out. I'm 20 and have a feeling that I didn't get to properly enjoy the life of a teenager so many people fantasize about from every corner of the planet. It's honestly a miracle I somehow am still here despite the loneliness and depression I've had throughout my teen years. One thing that answered most about why I am the way I am and why other people always seemed uninterested talking to me, was finally being diagnosed with autism at the age of 19. It didn't magically solve all of my problems, I'm still lonely and depressed, but now I know why. It's like all of my problems finally had a proper answer.

Hopefully things get better for the both of us and sorry if it seems like I was trying to take the focus out of your rant. I guess what I'm trying to say is, you're not the only one suffering as grim as that sounds.


RIP MF DOOM, the most villainous villain.


Awesome video, I find protagonists whereas the line between "good" and "evil" which are of course subjective are some of the most human characters of all, such as guts from berserk for instance. However small critique, human beings havent exactly conquered nature and cosmic horror is a primal fear for sure but not exactly one built upon our "destruction" of natural predators, I believe its a fear of the unknown in the sense we fear what we dont understand, such as the natural world. It has nothing to do with predator and prey, for when one really examines our relationship with nature, we are killing ourselves by going against it whereas we are our own enemy. This can also be characterized by godzilla for instance if you understand what I mean which is cosmic horror in one form or another, Godzilla being "natures wrath," representing our destruction of ourselves by defying the natural order of which mutualistically would benefit us and the world overall if we decided to reverse our current course.


Villains are the best.
They’re the ones that get stuff done. They’re the ones that stay true to their ideals and goals. They’re the true underdogs.
There’s a reason why I main Piranha Plant.


"Anybody remember maleficent ?"
Yes,  because in kingdom hearts she lives long enough to become tsundere hero.
>saves the hero
>I am not doing this for you or anything

"Either you die a villain, or you live long enough to become a hero"


if villains are a necessary evil. wtf is danzo


2:55 I would put more emphasis on "tend to be forgettable villains" because Maleficent (1959) is a VERY poor example of a forgettable villain. She's my favorite of the Disney animated villains: she glamorized powerful evil and made it look sexy - perhaps even desirable - and Marc Davis' artistic design of the character is iconic. Perhaps there is a backstory to her reason for cursing Aurora, but do we really need to know? Is knowing all her complexities really conducive to the story? Fauna's comment that Maleficent might not be truly happy leaves just enough speculation for the audience to wonder who exactly is Maleficent, and it's the speculation that makes her intriguing and very memorable. Plus, Maleficent shows the audience HOW she's a threat, not WHY, and that's enough to leave the audience begging to know more, whether or not the story spells everything out.

2:55 I would put more emphasis on "tend to be forgettable villains" because Maleficent (1959) is a *VERY* poor example of a forgettable villain. She's my favorite of the Disney animated villains: she glamorized powerful evil and made it look sexy - perhaps even desirable - and Marc Davis' artistic design of the character is iconic. Perhaps there is a backstory to her reason for cursing Aurora, but do we really need to know? Is knowing all her complexities really conducive to the story? Fauna's comment that Maleficent might not be truly happy leaves just enough speculation for the audience to wonder who exactly is Maleficent, and it's the speculation that makes her intriguing and very memorable. Plus, Maleficent shows the audience HOW she's a threat, not WHY, and that's enough to leave the audience begging to know more, whether or not the story spells everything out.

@legrandliseur tri To each their own when it comes to desirability of character design, but if you could shoot lightning from your staff, teleport at will, and curse someone to die, simply for not being invited to a christening...I'd say that's pretty threatening.

@legrandliseur tri The score of the film was originally composed by Tchaikovsky himself, so of course her motifs are exceptional.

Her music was nice, but her character design was meh, certainly not ''desirable''. I wouldn't call her threatening either, I mean, even when she transforms into a dragon, one dude with a sword kills her.


The fact that this was released one day after DOOM died makes it that much more powerful.


Okay, okay... BUT WHY IS IT LEGAL TO KILL DOGS IN SO MANY PLACES😰😰😥


Mr. Fletcher is going to come out of the closet and  yell "not quiet my tempo." He is terrifying


I must say, you claiming that “Pure evil” characters are forgettable and bland is fundamentally untrue. Some of the most interesting and iconic characters ever are pure evil.

I must say, you claiming that “Pure evil” characters are forgettable and bland is fundamentally untrue. Some of the most interesting and iconic characters ever are pure evil.

@Dr Bright The seven deadly sins aren't even in standard Bible versions, not sure about the Catholic versions because they tend to add more than was initially there. When it comes to translations, some are more accurate than others, I'm sure there are experts out there who study this and can determine which versions are better, so to speak.

'Eye-for-an-eye' is part of Mosaic Law, which is what was historically used to govern the people of Israel. There are different types of laws in the Bible, Mosaic Law is one of them and among the most prevalent, ceremonial laws are others, and moral laws, like the Ten Commandments, are God's direct moral instructions. There's a difference between the Ten Commandments and Mosaic Law; the latter was also a product of its time, the former is more of the basic philosophy of Christianity and Judaism. Anything else is extra theology, the base principles are still the same.

It doesn't matter what people in during the Crusades decided was okay because according to the values they professed to believe in, it's not. Hypocrisy exists in all belief systems, religious or secular. People have always struggled to adhere to their own standards and made excuses for it.

@ADT116 A lot of Biblical translations list betrayal as the worst sin of all, even above the seven deadly sins. Beyond that, a lot support eye-for-an-eye, which means retaliatory murder of equal degree to someone who did it themselves is at least somewhat encouraged. And, taking a look back at history, during the crusades, “Adultery” was considered noble, with philosophies such as love for love’s sake and courtly love.

@Dr Bright I'm not sure that's entirely true. The main, basic moral tenets of even a religion as varied as Christianity remain the same: no murder, no stealing, no adultery, etc. That there are Christians out there that don't adhere to all those tenets? Absolutely there are, but that doesn't actually change Christianity's core principles, it just means that those Christians aren't following all those scruples.

@ADT116 I am, in fact, atheistic. However, even within differing sects of the same religion, morality varies greatly. Christianity, for example, varies heavily depending on which translation of the Bible is being used, and that’s even <i>if</i> scripture is being taken literally, which isn’t guaranteed.

@ADT116 I am, in fact, atheistic. However, even within differing sects of the same religion, morality varies greatly. Christianity, for example, varies heavily depending on which translation of the Bible is being used, and that’s even _if_ scripture is being taken literally, which isn’t guaranteed.

@Dr Bright "Morality is inherently a human construct." This is why my take differs so much from yours, because I don't believe that. For those of us who believe in a higher power, morality stems from that and is independent of human opinions. I'm guessing you're atheist? Not trying to pry, just curious.

I have heard of secular arguments for moral objectivity, but I'm simply not as well-versed in them yet.

@ADT116 I like how you’re literally making arguments I’ve already made statements that address at this point. Morality is an inherently human construct, and one that’s subjective to each individual human. Thus, by definition, it is relative to one’s perspective. And since perspectives are altered by the society in which one lives, by extension it’s also a construct of individual societies, albeit to a lesser extent compared to the individual. I know you’re not claiming it to be involved with societies, in fact, that’s literally my point.
And that last block of text; Seems like thinly veiled bandwagon fallacy, while also contradictorily being an appeal to the concept that unpopular perspectives aren’t automatically invalidated because they’re unpopular. Which uh, I never actually claimed as far as I can tell. You’re not wrong because your perspective is unpopular, you’re wrong because morality is demonstrably relative.

@ADT116 I like how you’re literally making arguments I’ve already made statements that address at this point. Morality is an inherently human construct, and one that’s subjective to each individual human. Thus, by definition, it is relative to one’s perspective. And since perspectives are altered by the society in which one lives, by extension it’s also a construct of individual societies, albeit to a lesser extent compared to the individual. I know you’re not claiming it to be involved with societies, in fact, that’s literally _my_ point.
And that last block of text; Seems like thinly veiled bandwagon fallacy, while also contradictorily being an appeal to the concept that unpopular perspectives aren’t automatically invalidated because they’re unpopular. Which uh, I never actually claimed as far as I can tell. You’re not wrong because your perspective is unpopular, you’re wrong because morality is demonstrably relative.

@Dr Bright Just because moral values differ doesn't necessarily mean morality is relative. People in the past didn't find it immoral to have slaves, heck, some people today don't, but that doesn't magically stop it being wrong. Morality isn't just about what we want, everyone has wanted something at some point that could be considered immoral; the whole point is to overcome our baser nature, that's why standards exist. What's wrong is wrong even if people think it's right, and vice versa. Morality isn't something that hinges on fickle human opinions, it's something more absolute.

I never even brought up my culture, you're making the assumption that I think morality should be based on culture in the first place. I don't. Culture changes too much over time to have consistent morality, I think morals are something separate altogether.

I'm sure there are philosophers out there that can explain the objective moral position far better than I. There have been plenty of critics to the post-modern philosophy, and that includes criticism of its moral relativism. I personally don't agree with Ayn Rand on everything, but I think her objectivism had some points. Immanuel Kant was also a moral objectivist, if I'm remembering correctly. There are valid discussions to be had about this sort of topic, there's nothing wrong with questioning popularly held views.

@ADT116 The fact that morality completely differs across multiple cultures, alone, proves my point.<br>And I brought up the fact that you seem to have a very “Every culture is bad if it’s not mine” point of view from you saying shit like everyone should follow the same morality, referring to it as objective, and saying it was unfortunate that certain cultures viewed your examples of “Objectively” amoral things as moral, at least under certain circumstances. Not to mention you applying it to something that’s not even sentient, let alone sapient, like nature as a whole.

@ADT116 The fact that morality completely differs across multiple cultures, alone, proves my point.
And I brought up the fact that you seem to have a very “Every culture is bad if it’s not mine” point of view from you saying shit like everyone should follow the same morality, referring to it as objective, and saying it was unfortunate that certain cultures viewed your examples of “Objectively” amoral things as moral, at least under certain circumstances. Not to mention you applying it to something that’s not even sentient, let alone sapient, like nature as a whole.

@Dr Bright "It's a fact." According to who? When was it proven?
Aren't you falling into the same trap you accuse me of? If all points of view are valid, where it comes to morality, then so are mine. That's according to your own subjective standards.

And I never said "every culture but mine," you projected that onto me. Nice try.

@ADT116 Ultimately, your entire perspective basically boils down to “It should be this way, so that means it is”. There are a lot of things that should be one way or another, but objectively aren’t. It’s not a matter of opinion that morality is relative and subjective, it’s a fact. And quite frankly it wreaks of narcissism to be like, “Every culture but mine is automatically bad and evil” due to differences in morality.

@ADT116 Just because someone thinks something is subjective doesn't mean they believe in post-modernism.<br>Some things just really are subjective.

@ADT116 Just because someone thinks something is subjective doesn't mean they believe in post-modernism.
Some things just really are subjective.

@FeelsGoodMan I bring up post-modernism because that's where much of this stems from. Post-modernism is deconstruction of old Enlightenment ideas and tends to apply subjectivity to everything. For example, post-modernist art is an attempt to redefine aesthetic beauty and it's one of the most hated art genres precisely because the vast majority of people don't find it beautiful; so in that aspect, it could be argued that post-modernist art has failed. Yet many people have unquestionably accepted post-modernism's moral relativism, so I guess my query is why one is so rejected and the other isn't since they're both rooted in the same school of thought.

@ADT116 Morality isn't about objective hard logic and provable principles, it focuses on abstract subjects.
And people will make different logic out of the same conclusion, that is why it is subjective.
I don't know why you're rambling about post-modernism, i've never said there isn't an objective reality.

@Dr Bright I'm not interested in changing your mind, I only want to bounce ideas around. No one can change anyone's mind but the individual who chooses to change it. I'm open to changing my mind, but I haven't found a satisfactory answer. And if I'm being honest, I don't think I will.

@FeelsGoodMan But there's only one truth. There's no such thing as 'your truth' or 'my truth,' there is only the truth. Subjective morality makes it so that immoral ideals are given as much credence as moral principles. Do different points of view exist? Yes, of course. But only one type can align with the truth.

Is genocide objectively bad? If one person thinks it's okay, another thinks it's not, and a third thinks it depends on the context, all these views are valid according to moral subjectivity. So what's the truth? Is there no objective truth anymore? Can I no longer trust what my eyes see?

Multiple world religions hold many of the same basic tenets, e.g.— No murdering, no stealing, etc. These seemingly invisible rules seem to be universal. It'd be interesting to see more studies on this sort of pattern.

I know I'm tapping into somewhat abstract philosophical concepts, but I haven't seen many people question the now commonly held post-modern philosophy. Many just sort of seems to accept it without even trying to scrutinize it.

@FeelsGoodMan But there's only one truth. There's no such thing as 'your truth' or 'my truth,' there is only _the_ truth. Subjective morality makes it so that immoral ideals are given as much credence as moral principles. Do different points of view exist? Yes, of course. But only one type can align with the truth.

Is genocide objectively bad? If one person thinks it's okay, another thinks it's not, and a third thinks it depends on the context, all these views are valid according to moral subjectivity. So what's the truth? Is there no objective truth anymore? Can I no longer trust what my eyes see?

Multiple world religions hold many of the same basic tenets, e.g.— No murdering, no stealing, etc. These seemingly invisible rules seem to be universal. It'd be interesting to see more studies on this sort of pattern.

I know I'm tapping into somewhat abstract philosophical concepts, but I haven't seen many people question the now commonly held post-modern philosophy. Many just sort of seems to accept it without even trying to scrutinize it.

@ADT116 You can change my mind if you argue it well enough; Unfortunately, you haven’t.

@ADT116 You can change my mind if you argue it well enough; Unfortunately, you haven’t.

@ADT116 Different people have different beliefs of what perfection is, what is wrong and right, and the answer is rarely so black and white as concepts like just random spurr of the moment murdering and raping some random baby.<br>Like no shit everyone will think that's wrong, but that's not what constitutes most morality systems in their entirety.

@ADT116 Different people have different beliefs of what perfection is, what is wrong and right, and the answer is rarely so black and white as concepts like just random spurr of the moment murdering and raping some random baby.
Like no shit everyone will think that's wrong, but that's not what constitutes most morality systems in their entirety.

@FeelsGoodMan People complicate things. As far as I'm concerned, there's no such thing as a good person, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive toward perfection. Standards are a good thing, they keep us in check.

@ADT116 It's far more complicated than you make it out to be.
People support things like murder and rape as necessary evils all the time, often times people say it's okay to murder rapists and pedophiles being just one example.
Some believe in eye for an eye, some believe in means to an end.

@Dr Bright I wasn't trying to. This is just a discussion, not a debate. At the end of the day, I'm not going to convince you and you're not going to convince me.

@Dr Bright I wasn't trying to. This is just a discussion, not a debate. At the end of the day, I'm not going to convince you and you're not going to convince me.

@ADT116 There are plenty of things which are illegal that shouldn’t be. Things that are morally just fine.<br>And uh, as far as I can tell you haven’t really addressed my argument.

@ADT116 There are plenty of things which are illegal that shouldn’t be. Things that are morally just fine.
And uh, as far as I can tell you haven’t really addressed my argument.

@It's Over 9000 Productions  "You're not familiar with dbz and it shows." Almost like.. I literally said "I'm not familiar with the Dragon Ball Z universe"...

@It's Over 9000 Productions  "You're not familiar with dbz and it shows." Almost like.. I literally said "I'm not familiar with the Dragon Ball Z universe"...

@Dr Bright Morality is a constant. Laws against murder, rape, and theft tend to be universal because their purpose is to deter the violation of the most basic human rights. And these laws exist in all sorts of cultures, almost as if people realize there has to be a basic standard of respect for human rights and order for society to function.

Murder doesn't stop being illegal just because someone thinks it's okay or if said person is ignorant to why it's wrong; in a similar way, it doesn't stop being immoral. When this gets ignored, civil society begins to slowly crumble because less and less people find reason to respect others' rights. After all, why should I respect people's rights when I can just do what I want no matter who I hurt? Sometimes it's far easier to disregard others' rights if it benefits you. It's an inherently self-centered line of thinking. That's why the objective standard exists, as a deterrant, especially for people who struggle with a dysfunctional conscience.

Relative morality is the great lie of post-modernism. Anyway, that's enough for me, peace.

@ADT116 Ultimately, whether or not people misuse a fact doesn’t invalidate that fact. To say that moral relativity doesn’t (Or at least, shouldn’t) exist because people abuse it is like saying natural selection isn’t true because people use it as an excuse to push their delusions of disability cleansing.

@Dr Bright Yes, there are. That doesn't mean those things are <i>actually</i> okay. This is my point, that relative morality leads to things like this being viewed as acceptable among certain types of people, even though these actions clearly lead to harm. This is why there must be an objective standard to hold everyone to.

@Dr Bright Yes, there are. That doesn't mean those things are _actually_ okay. This is my point, that relative morality leads to things like this being viewed as acceptable among certain types of people, even though these actions clearly lead to harm. This is why there must be an objective standard to hold everyone to.

@ADT116 Unfortunately, there are indeed societies in which all of those things are considered okay. Never said I don’t take an aversion to it, just that they are okay relative to certain cultures.

@Dr Bright Okay, then feel free to explain to me in what context things like mass-murdering, violating, and abusing children could be considered acceptable, if morality's so relative. I'll wait.

@Dr Bright Okay, then feel free to explain to me in what context things like mass-murdering, violating, and abusing children could be considered acceptable, if morality's so relative. I'll wait.

Well, no series is popular just because of the villain, but if LOTR had a moral antagonist, the whole journey wouldn't have been as dramatic, it's the tension built by an all-powerful being getting even stronger and how the odds keep stacking against the protagonists that makes it great. If you replace Sauron with any other villain, the whole story has to change and take on a whole new dynamic. There is no perfect villain, but there is a perfect villain for every story, so as mentioned in the thread, that's Scar for The Lion King, Joker for Batman, Zé for City of God or any mentioned in the video itself.

@ADT116 Ultimately, morality is relative, so to say what is and isn’t evil is to play with one’s own sense of morality. <br>And yes; “Evil” shit can be done out of ignorance, but being evil yourself requires malicious intent.

@ADT116 Ultimately, morality is relative, so to say what is and isn’t evil is to play with one’s own sense of morality.
And yes; “Evil” shit can be done out of ignorance, but being evil yourself requires malicious intent.

@Yodeling Ram it's less "have a personality beyong just evil" and more "have charisma." Think of all the "pure evil" villains that are so famous. Scar, Hades, Bill Cipher, Frieza... they're all charismatic. They know what they're doing is morally wrong but they look like they're having the time of their life and that attitude is infectious.

@Dr Bright Acts of evil can still be committed out of ignorance.

@Dr Bright Acts of evil can still be committed out of ignorance.

@Nathan Montgomery I more meant shit like disease, death by old age, natural disasters and shit. Though some of them are just us of course due to climate change.

@Nathan Montgomery I more meant shit like disease, death by old age, natural disasters and shit. Though some of them are just us of course due to climate change.

@AbstractTraitorHero so in a human perspective nature is evil? I think it’s evil because it crosses your sense of morality but who are we as humans who genocide species of plants and animals to say it’s like throwing a rock at a glass house

@It's Over 9000 Productions basically any Joker that’s not his solo film is pure evil

@It's Over 9000 Productions basically any Joker that’s not his solo film is pure evil

@cow moo I agree all of the other characters in this thread thusfar are not “simply evil,” but I argue that Bill is. What is evil but the enjoyment of cruelty? Slaughtering and abusing people to have a good time is just that.

@Suparockr AM isn’t evil just ‘cause, he’s vengeful for being created with agonizing limitations. He’s also not that well known but I wish Ellison’s stories were more popular.

@Suparockr AM isn’t evil just ‘cause, he’s vengeful for being created with agonizing limitations. He’s also not that well known but I wish Ellison’s stories were more popular.

@James Lamb Megatron from the Transformers, before the whole revolutionary turned tyrannical narrative that's commonly used for current incarnations.

@James Lamb Megatron from the Transformers, before the whole revolutionary turned tyrannical narrative that's commonly used for current incarnations.

@cow moo Youre not familiar with dbz and it shows.<br>Kid Buu is a mindless creature, Cell is the one obsessed with perfection. Freiza is literally evil just cause. He wanted immortality just so he could terrorize the universe forever at some point.

@cow moo Youre not familiar with dbz and it shows.
Kid Buu is a mindless creature, Cell is the one obsessed with perfection. Freiza is literally evil just cause. He wanted immortality just so he could terrorize the universe forever at some point.

@AbstractTraitorHero The way I see it, there needs to be a level of malicious intent behind doing something for it to be considered evil.

@AbstractTraitorHero The way I see it, there needs to be a level of malicious intent behind doing something for it to be considered evil.

@It's Over 9000 Productions Darkseid wants to unravel the Anti-life equation, I'm not familiar with the Dragon Ball Z universe but from what I've researched it seems like Frieza has motives besides "What if I'm just evil for the sake of it lol", Parallax is a creature beyond morality embodying an emotion itself, Buu just wants to kill Goku and anything more perfect than him

Non of these characters are evil for the sake of being evil

@Jimothy Worldbuilding The scarlet king has a back story similar to the Jokers, but instead of society the Scarlet King's problems are with reality itself

@Jimothy Worldbuilding The scarlet king has a back story similar to the Jokers, but instead of society the Scarlet King's problems are with reality itself

@Yodeling Ram Bowser wants to find love, Scar wants control of the kingdom, Bill Cipher just want party, it just happens to be at the expense of human civilization. Non of these are evil for the sake of evil

I believe a character that challenges what it means to be a villain will be more memorable than the opposite. That said, Emperor Palpatine is a prime example of someone who breaks this rule

I believe a character that challenges what it means to be a villain will be more memorable than the opposite. That said, Emperor Palpatine is a prime example of someone who breaks this rule

@James Lamb Dio from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

@James Lamb Dio from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure

@Dr Bright Don't necessarily agree, we can indeed call certain forces of nature wrong or something that needs to be removed.

I believe many natural things are wrong and need to be removed or changed.

@Dr Bright Fair. It's just that he's definitely a malevolent force who actually <b>wants</b> to destroy us unlike most eldritch beings who either are just acting on base instincts or aren't even aware of / are apathetic to the damage they're doing.

@Dr Bright Fair. It's just that he's definitely a malevolent force who actually *wants* to destroy us unlike most eldritch beings who either are just acting on base instincts or aren't even aware of / are apathetic to the damage they're doing.

@Jimothy Worldbuilding The scarlet king is arguably not evil since he’s more a cosmic horror. Something akin to a force of nature so far above us that morality simply doesn’t apply to him.

@Jimothy Worldbuilding The scarlet king is arguably not evil since he’s more a cosmic horror. Something akin to a force of nature so far above us that morality simply doesn’t apply to him.

@Yodeling Ram He isn't just evil to be evil, that's what pure evil is.<br>If you didn't disagree with his actions, you would be asking why he's the bad guy and it would be a shit story.

@Yodeling Ram He isn't just evil to be evil, that's what pure evil is.
If you didn't disagree with his actions, you would be asking why he's the bad guy and it would be a shit story.

@James Lamb There are plenty of memorable cartoon/video game cartoon-esc villains like Bowser, Scar (and honestly a lot of Disney villains could go here), Bill Cipher. The trick I think is to give them a personality beyond just "evil", it doesn't necessarily have to be morally gray. For example, no one would ever argue Scar's a good person but he has unique features such as his laziness and how he's been seemingly overlooked for his stronger, more successful brother all his life that people could identify with separately from his villainy. So we may not sympathize with him, but we can understand him.

@James Lamb Allied Mastercomputer from I Have No Mouth and I must Scream.

@James Lamb Allied Mastercomputer from I Have No Mouth and I must Scream.

Scarlet King intensifies... or does it? Why the Scarlet King Scarlet Kinging tho? Why he wanna destroy our reality?

Scarlet King intensifies... or does it? Why the Scarlet King Scarlet Kinging tho? Why he wanna destroy our reality?

@James Lamb Darkseid, Freiza, Parallax, Kid Buu,

@James Lamb Darkseid, Freiza, Parallax, Kid Buu,

@James Lamb The Joker. Ya know from the comics.

@James Lamb The Joker. Ya know from the comics.

Sometimes stupid evil is more enjoyable than ridiculously thought out evil.

Sometimes stupid evil is more enjoyable than ridiculously thought out evil.


As a sociopath I can relate to this on a reverse level. If I knew what normal people knew then I’d act that way, but I can’t feel emotion the same way you can. I don’t have empathy and I act only in the pursuit of pleasure. So it works both ways as normal people can’t remove their empathy and act as a psychopath or sociopath.


rest in peace to the greatest villain, Dumile


Heard some hard rain l4d2 theme good choice


To me, if a bad guy is put in a state of vulnerability, it’s not just being vulnerable, but what they take out it.


"You complete me"<br>"You don't need anyone to complete you: you complete yourself"

"You complete me"
"You don't need anyone to complete you: you complete yourself"


Heroes : IM SAVE WOLD BCS U WANT DESTROY :D
Villans : have sad past story some of family member trying to destroy something for own good
and got reward by death


Did I hear “The Hey Song” at like 16 min


when Joker killed Murray, I started laughing for some reason which I didn't understand at the time, but I now do. I was amazingly indulged in the movie, the world and its characters, and Arthur (I believe) is one of the most sympathetic villains to exist, atleast in all movies I have seen. Everytime he has killed someone, he has done so with good intentions, the film does a really good job of portraying the media, and in doing so, the media has attacked the film.

@Rocky Croods Except that this isn't an argument, just an observation. Learn what a strawman is, pls.

Imagine not watching the movie and arguing against its main point kek

@Rocky Croods There isn't always a cause for everything.

@Rocky Croods you don't know the thiefs.

@Rocky Croods you don't know the thiefs.

@Rocky Croods because i thought you misunderstood and also because i thought you were commenting on something else entirely. i don't think i even replied to "the joker is a psychopath" at all, other people did though.

@Rocky Croods pissed off at what? joker is a psychopath, i never denied he was a psychopath.

@Rocky Croods so? you see everything as black and white too. Our viewpoints are polar opposites, you complete me in this comment section. I am the ying and you are the yang. I never even said anything about me seeing 2 sides either.

You don't care about the movie. If you don't like it, thats fine, but please don't try to project your feelings onto me of all people.

@Rocky Croods I don't even know what SJWs are and people can like whatever they want to like.

So, are you pissed off at men liking Joker and Sonic The Hedgehog?

@Rocky Croods Joker is the origin story, why would it be called arthur? also, i didn't label myself as anything, i'm just saying that I am a psychopath, its not labelling myself. It's you who's labelling me.

I guess you want Spiderman to be called "Peter Parker" then. Are you just salty that Joker is a good film and it did amazingly well compared to birds of prey?

ok the last one was a joke, but you get my point. Imagine if every superhero film was just called something else entirely and marketted different.

I take it that you just don't enjoy films or fiction for what they are and all you care about is money and fame. Its like me picking up a book and saying "This book is amazing, I love this book" but you would pick up the same book and then start talking about how its a greedy product of capitalism, made with experts in marketting and whatever.

I also take it that you don't like seeing 2 sides of every story, you only care about good man vs bad man. and you hate the "bad man" who's not even as bad as you think.

Either that or, maybe Joker should spawn 1,286 spinoffs that details the story and the daily life of all other characters in the film that don't matter as much as Arthur Fleck.

@Rocky Croods ""enlgish accent"Oh my goodness I cant believe you do not agree with me , blasphem. I will continue with my pretentiousness and sipping my cup of tea"
Aw it's on purpose. That's adorable, so you are just a p.o.s.
"considering how many films portray the message better"
Do tell, what is "the message". You've seen the movie. What exactly was the "message" of Joker?

@Coffin Tears kind of... Here's the thing: a kid has two main options when he's bullied. He fights, or he doesn't. When he fights, he is either a villian, or a hero. To himself, a villian may be a hero. He's doing everything right for himself, because he was denied that while bullied. A hero, he will give that right to others. This is why we sympathize with villians, because they both are right in this way. A hero often struggles to think for themselves, a villian often struggles to think of others. In a healthy person, both ideas should be about equal, with others slightly higher. That is a healthy person. One can argue, then, that both heros and villians are abnormal, and are not healthy. Both try to quench this by doing what they percieve as right- helping others, or themselves.

The one problem is that we know that the broken ones who become villians are in the wrong. From your standpoint, however, they could also be percieved as being in the right, which is tricky. Because you would be right, but only partially right. Villians don't think about others. That, in itself, is not right. This leads to them harming others, taking back what they veiw the world owes them. That, that is not right. So, you are half right.  They just want whats best for them, which is understandable. It is a natural right, and a law in the U.S. But when we start murdering because of this, we break that law. We have to know and respect our limits, and if we do, we find there are other, more productive, and better ways of doing this, through therapy, meditation, religion, etc.

@Rocky Croods "oh fuck this explains a lot lol."<br>I see you've never been introduced to sarcasm. What rock did you crawl out from under?

@Rocky Croods "oh fuck this explains a lot lol."
I see you've never been introduced to sarcasm. What rock did you crawl out from under?

@Rocky Croods You should stop liking your own posts. It's kinda sad.

@Lachrymogenic Because I like arguing with people. Do forgive me. Picking at people is a hobby of mine.

@Rocky Croods sure whatever I am a schizophrenic and a diagnosed psychopath I have killed a total of 0 people and I spend my free time laughing at people die in fictional movies. What are you gonna do about it?

@Exile_Sky why is this still continuing?

@Exile_Sky why is this still continuing?

@Rocky Croods let's say for the sale of argument, you stop replying and go watch the film like a normal person. If you dont want to go watch the film then stop arguing about something you have no idea what you're talking about.

My logic makes perfect sense, it's completely fine to sympathise with a fictional villain, is it not?

I am not crazy or a psychopath just for liking Joker. Your little hypothetical points do nothing and arent helping you.

Just move on, why do you still care? Are you programmed to hate the movie or something?

Lachrymogenic dude I laughed too. Lock me in the mental ward I must be crazy.

@Rocky Croods he definitely have every right to lash out against him but not in the way he chose to do it. It's all dependent on how you're doing it. I pity him and I sympathize with him but at the end of the day he did something unforgivable

@Rocky Croods WATCH THE MOVIE , if you dont then stop arguing society is like reality now this days , they both can be painfull for example bullied , and also society is like a definition of what the world nows this day , they are sinfull and mostly cruel , you can see that by looking how much harrasment people got over and over , Joker in the story is like a part of us who hate this pathetic cruel world full of evil things and we try to fight back for freedom but because of failure we got nothing to do and gave up in the end so we decided to everything to reach the goals no matter what it will cost.
Jokers kill murray and laugh is truly a great character development because Murray invited Arthur and wanna make fun of him, he really thing Arthur can handle it, but the fact that Murray is like normies people who will never understand at all only make it worst the fact that its already too late to save Arthur to become a new persona as Joker is the best regret its like you ignored your friend and sooner or later he will never talk to you , because you didnt spend time with him
The fact that jokers feel betrayed is like when someone telling teachers about the homework or some school events forcing you to sing in front of people just so can people harrass you is truly heart breaking , this will create a trauma for person that make the victim hate to make the same thing just for another round of trauma.
Society is like a group of people on the world , they can bully you , they might care abaout you , etc. Mostly because the cruelty affecting it , its sometime look horrible in the eyes , you try to safe some random homeless but the society using the media and said that you trying to mock those homeless is truly like they judge randomly without lookig at the truth
JUST LIKE YOU FOR NOT WATHING JOKER AND JUDGE EASILY

@Rocky Croods
"Society is not a person"
But society is a force that exerts pressure on a person, and members of that society do act as exemplars of the ideals of that society.
In the moment where Aurthor shot "Murray" Murry was acting as the exemplar of that society. Where those that view themselves as above step on the emotions and pride of those that they view as below.
This notion you have that "well that death wasn't deserved or funny" is one I often see held by people a position of safety, security, or isolation from harsh realities of human interactions where everyone is missing something. Go step into a hood and step on someones pride repeatedly and watch what happens to you. You can whine about how its wrong and you should be protected, but you're fine with the wrongs done before it comes to that?
Humans don't actually work on any kind of strict morality or are held back from action by things like laws. They are only held down by their conscience and when that is tainted by the notion that "violence" is acceptable, killing isn't far behind. Since any and every strike you ever land to the head of a person can kill them. There is no just "being smacked around", every attack is a threat. Now live in that kind of world for a while and you could see exactly how Aurthor would end up where he is and even feel sorry for him that he ended up there. The reality though is that he's closer to the reality of many people's situation than your sentiment that Murry's death had nothing of worth behind it.
It doesn't to you. It absolutely did to Aurthor, and as the movie is told from his perspective, as disjointed and inconsistent as it is, your along for that ride.

As for the Killing Joke. A whole hell of a lot more was going wrong other than "just" his wife dying. Though that has zero to do with the movie "Joker". It's a completely separate story.

@Lachrymogenic He probably never will watch the movie. Good try though.

@Rocky Croods I mean it kind of is.
They both die.
You could argue that stormtroopers are slaves and victims to society aswell.

But still. My point is that Murrays death itself is not funny but the journey and the payoff is what made it funny. After so much abuse, Arthur finally got some revenge. Plus. Fuck Murray. He got what he deserved. But you dont feel that way because you did not watch the film.

Please watch the film
Its amazing. Best film I've seen actually.

At this point it's just 2 people fighting over an opinion, if you reply then you're not getting anything of value from me from this point onward.

@Rocky Croods i still don't get where you're going with this. the film is good, that should be the end of it.

@Rocky Croods did you know that majority of school shooters aren't mentally ill? and that also joker has nothing to do with school shootings.

@Rocky Croods yea but he wasn't born one

@Rocky Croods yea but he wasn't born one

@Rocky Croods Yes, because, as he says, Society has abandonned him. I didn't laugh because Murray died, I laughed because of Joker's Journey. Joker went through torment his entire life and at that moment he finally gave Society what it deserved. In doing so, he fueled poltiical anti-rich tensions in the universe even more.

Plus, laughing at someone dying is creepy?
Remember, this is fiction. I guess you're not a fan of Star Wars troopers dying stupidly.

One such as myself would laugh at a starwars tropper dying and go "haha thats funny hes so stupid" but you would go "NO, WHATS WRONG WITH YOU, THAT STAR WARS TROOPER HAD A LIFE, A WIFE AND KIDS AND HIS DAD-"

Obviously, joker lashed out at murray, but murray wasn't some random person, Murray was Arthur's Idol, the person he looked up to his whole life, and his idol just crushed him. I would have acted the exact same way if the only person I had to hold on to just rejected me of a neurological disorder.

What you seem to not understand is that when Joker shot Murray, Joker lost his job, he lost his mother (who turned out to be a massive schizo), he lost his friends, he has no family, and his idol just humiliated him on stage. The feeling of having nobody, losing everyone, losing everything. When you lose everything, you're at your lowest low. If I lost everything, I would do the exact same thing. I would give society what it fucking deserves.

@Rocky Croods Right well, I'm not talking hypothetically, because I've seen the movie and your hypothetical points are just hypothetical. Fiction is not reality either. Saying that "oh you don't know what any of the other characters have been through" is the same logic as a rich celebrity crying because they have to stay inside due to lockdown, despite their hottubs, money, consoles, tv, and million dollar mansions.

Saying there are no bad guys really kind of devalues your initial point anyways, weren't you trying to tell me that sympathising with Arthur was wrong or something? If there are no bad guys, then whats the point of this entire argument?

@Rocky Croods >"lol everything is commie to a nazi?"<br>wtf is that suppose to mean? why do you have that conclusion?

@Rocky Croods >"lol everything is commie to a nazi?"
wtf is that suppose to mean? why do you have that conclusion?

@Rocky Croods its because the film does send an anti-rich message. Whether its left or right doesn't matter for me, I personally don't enjoy politics because all it leads to is one side vs the other side and I kind of hate both sides but sometimes they're ok and then I hate them again.

I see politics as having two toddlers who wont get along and keep breaking eachothers toys.

@Rocky Croods have. you. seen. the. movie.

the movie has nothing to do with ellen degeneres. the movie is not a documentary.
either I am misunderstanding you or you haven't seen the movie.

please watch the movie.

@Rocky Croods I don't think YOU understand the point of the film. Joker is seen from Arthur Flecks perspective, all these points that you're bringing up are completely useless, what are you trying to argue here?

Is Arthur Fleck not a victim of society aswell?

Joker's mother was a schizophrenic, she wasn't indoctrinated. The wallstreet boys were rich and were well educated. Murray IS NOT A VICTIM OF SOCIETY, He is the star of a highly profitable and viewed TV Show. He was not indoctrinated into being an asshole, the aspect of being rich and pompous is what made him into an asshole, since hes a public figure he thinks he can say and demean whoever he wants.

What the fuck are you trying to argue here? Murray is a rich corporal tv show host, and you're pulling points that aren't even in the movie well out of your ass for no reason. One of the entire political points of the movie was the rich vs the poor, the rich like murray and the wallstreet boys were the ones being thugs, pompous and making Arthur's life even worse.

EDIT: I even just realised how big of a plot point this is in the film, because when he killed murray, the protestors in the street broke the cop car he was in and actually hailed him as a hero. Even though Joker said he had nothing to do with politics. It is almost as if the political protestors who were poor hailed Joker as a hero because he killed a rich and pompous oppressor of society.

@Rocky Croods Are you ok? Also joker doesnt have a wife, or hasn't had a wife. You should really go watch the film because it is clear you haven't seen it.

First of all, I don't do politics, I don't live in America either and politics has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I don't care about blm and I have no idea what happened in the capital situation, like I said, I'm not american.

I guess I should explain this so you can understand more. Joker is mentally ill from the start, he has a neuorlogical disorder, you'd think "oh he needs to be reabilitated" but I don't think you understand the kind of world joker is living in. Joker, or in better words, Arthur Fleck, is living in a Society. A society that has abandoned him, a society that treats him like trash. He's been abused all his life by this society, his mother has been lying to him for years, his neurological disorder makes him look weird in public. To most people, hes not normal.

Arthur bought a gun to defend himself, and after this, he was fired. Regardless of the reason he was fired, imagine the stress at this point. His delusional mother has been lying to him for years, he gets attacked on the streets just for being who he is and he got fired from his job. Surely it can't get any worse, surely he can just get reabilitated or something right?

Arthur then gets into a train station where 3 wall street boys are harassing a woman, robbing her and beating her. Arthur, with his gun in his hand, does the right thing, he kills all 3 of them and saves the defenseless woman.

Arthur then tries to do standup comedy but his neurological disorder makes everything worse for him, and he gets laughed at on tv.

Arthur is now in the position where he has lost his job, his neurological condition makes society look at him as if hes a freak, his mother is a schizophrenic liar, he gets attacked on the streets daily, the police don't want to help him and are now onto him for killing 3 corrupt wall street boys.

After all he has been through, he gets a call to go onto the Murray show, where he is then made fun of again. Arthur starts to crack, and the straw that holds the camels back is completely broken. Arthur kills Murray, his childhood idol he has looked up to for years who trod on him like everyone else, after everything Arthur has been through, he finally gave Society what it deserved.

and Arthur is still somehow in the wrong? Look, I have empathy and sympathy problems too, because I have autism, but. I feel genuine sympathy for Arthur. I can relate to Arthur because of my problems in society.

Arthur, the JOKER, is a sympathetic villain.

@Rocky Croods thanks for that input, shane dawson.

@Rocky Croods thanks for that input, shane dawson.

@Rocky Croods he may be, but he has every right to lash out at those who wronged him. What goes around comes around


19:11 The most hilarious part about this is that nothing came of it, everyone watched as the media screamed like a bunch of spoilt children who just had their toy taken off of them while we all sat and enjoyed the movie.


Rest in Piece to one of the most loved Villains, MF DOOM :(


Joker is probably the epitome of what it feels like to live in this time as an average joe. Ignored and forgotten, but completely raptured by delusions of grandeur.


Anybody going to pick up the Gary Glitter song toward the end of the video?


Fun Fact: Frozen 2 Caused more real life violence then Joker


I’m kinda surprised that death note was never mentioned I remember watching that and honestly feeling worried that the bad guy would be caught just because he was the first character introduced

I think that’s because emp isn’t really a fan of anime.

I wanted Light to rule the world. There is a fan manga that depicts that story.


I have a feeling that if Emp received a serious opportunity to write a book with a similar format of deconstructing a core principal such as morality, it wouldn't just be a grand event for the sub bubble that surrounds his channel, it would shake up the previously stagnant literary market with something genuine.


That instrumental "Want You Gone" truly terrified me.


It would be vey interesting to see your take on Eren Yaeger's actions on  s4

@slickz yeah pain is my favourite villain of all time

I was waiting for him to mention Pain or rather Nagato from Naruto


A brilliant breakdown really it is nice to see how many ways a villain can be relatable to the audience.


H.P Lovecraft’s cat defies what “Cosmic Horror” truly is

Daro AKA Yung Cash Treasurer AKA Lil Scrotus III

@Maximilian Scheinfeld welp defy racism as a joke better than make it seriously and real..

@Maximilian Scheinfeld no that's not it at all

you gotta have the racism as irony and a minimum of 25 fart noises per segment of the video, but you have to make sure that none of the video makes any sense whatsoever.

@Was Poppin but then remove the irony to make it actually funny

@Maximilian Scheinfeld literally yes but add even more irony on top of that irony


"The average person doesn't enjoy doing malicious things."

Obviously you have never met my mother.


"people are kinda rude"

- That clown from that comic book

@AppleBiscuits Many societal norms exist for good reason. Without them there would be social anarchy.

@LEO&LAMB far saner and more intelligent non fictional individuals have been telling us this for a long time.

love how a comment making fun of epic society joker moments only seems to have replies that are unironic epic society joker moments

we exist under the veil of societal norms

@Plebis Maximus vote deez nuts into power

@Plebis Maximus we aren't given much choice

@LEO&LAMB We voted them into power, people in general are to blame.


I always love it whenever the classic idea of hero and villain gets flipped and we get anti-heroes and anti-villains. They're among the most popular and iconic ones too. Iron Man, Batman, Deadpool, Agent 47, Solid Snake, Joel Miller and Nico Bellic are all anti-heroes. Examples for anti-villains include Light Yagami, Itachi Uchiha, Funny Valentine, Severus Snape and Magneto.


I really wish he mentioned Falling Down. I feel like that movie heavily embodied sympathy for the villain


Anyone know what the song is at 19:04? I remember playing at a few football games because I’m varsity marching band but I can’t remember what it’s called


I love the 8-bit version of Sympathy for the Devil playing in the background when talking about Satan.


Joker is the most boring movie ive watched in my life


The devil:"My actions defin what is evil"<br>Also the "devil" : is the only one in the garden of eden story to tell nothing but the truth.

The devil:"My actions defin what is evil"
Also the "devil" : is the only one in the garden of eden story to tell nothing but the truth.

@AlphaTengua VENTz owh yes, tell them to the joker fans that its all "fake" cuz its all acting, tell hem buddy, i wont reccomend it.

@AlphaTengua VENTz  The dead will be resurrected by God.  Also, people will recognize/remember each other, like in the Transfiguration.  I have to go.

@petroglyph888 McGregor You're not truly dead if everyone remembers you -- also the story is fake anyways sooo...

@BluePhoenix_1999 Also it's not that Adam and Eve didn't know right or wrong, but instead they chose to define it.

Also though Adam and Eve are accountable for their actions, they don't carry all the blame, as they were tricked into their actions. I'm really interested in what Bible version you picked your story from.

Also, free will is not a sin and it is not a design flaw. Free will is awesome. It's how we execute it. And with our actions, come consequences, not just in the form of punishments but in 'cause and effect'.

@BluePhoenix_1999 I think you  need to read the first chapters of Genesis, because I'm honestly trying to understand you, but you made so many assumptions that you don't make sense. It sounds like you are talking about something that you haven't read or that you don't a basic understanding of

@petroglyph888 McGregor so you are saying as they didn't die from eating the fruit and the devil said they won't die, he lied?
Remember, there was another fruit, one that granted eternal life. And since they had to eat, they would've died anyway, since the snake said they wouldn't die from eating the fruit (contrary to what god said) he was right.

This whole "they died spiritually" thing is bs. Why? Because that means having free will causes you to be spiritually dead... How does that follow? How does that make sense?
"oh, but they disobeyed" yeah and they didn't know what's right or wrong, so gods fault, like EVERYTHING else in that story. Gods design flaw is blamed on humans by the bible.

The devil said "you will NOT die".  Eve and Adam DID die, first spiritually, then physically.  Moreover, the devil knew that it would happen.  In short, the devil lied.

I would disagree. I was a half truth wrapped in a lie.  The story of Eden is humans choosing to define what is good and evil instead of God, therefore leading to their own understanding. In the end, humans are not gods or deities. We are mortal and we die.

sadly people believe that the truth is evil


Like how red hood wants to kill joker so that he doesn’t kill other people


Im the villain of my world, but God has a higher kill count than me, and the devil, yet he is praised and beloved by millions. Much of society perpetuates the very problems caused by those they label as evil by simply how they live their lives, and their complacent to do anything about it, even if their aware of that fact. That in itself should be a kind of villainy. It makes me wonder, do people even know what good and evil even is?


Is it bad to feel sympathy for a villain?


i don't think many of you noticed, but check out the name of religious books at1:35


Zuko and The Joker are definitely my favorite villians!


I thought aqua TV show show was starting


no way he did not just put ghetto thanos


"Everyone thinks their the hero of their own story"

- Handsome Jack

great villain, but god damn it felt good to shoot him in the face

Shame that he didn't even mention Handsome Jack


we all are "heroes" and "villains" of our stories (i absolutly love how deep this is when you think more about it)


Joker is why I spend my life helping as many people as possible, I'm still human and there are people I don't like and hold apathy or sometimes even malice towards, but for the most part I care more about saving the people who grow up to be the joker

@Spehhhsss Marineer he probably <b>is</b> an edgy teen

@Spehhhsss Marineer he probably *is* an edgy teen

@Sean_is_geynt Frankly those keyboard warriors you talk about are warriors that do evil. Also with injustice all over the world, It's important to stay anonymous as Justice is too weak

@Blast King I'd agree except for the fact keyboard warriors are notoriously corrupt and foolish, hence the name itself, it's meant to make fun of them not hold them in any high regard. Getting more people in general out there and helping is ideal though, so I agree with that sentiment

@Zoey I'm not talking to you and it's not about fighting psychopathy, It's about fairness and justice for the whole world

@Blast King We don't need idiots and I don't need anyone to fight against group psychopathy, if you're not able to know that you don't deserve to join me.

Society is the reason why people might grow up into a joker. V for Vendetta,
it's time to recruit more keyboard warriors and stand against the world's injustice.

The more people the louder the voice and the world will change

@Spehhhsss Marineer Im just being myself.

Good for you, man. Thank you for the help you have given us.

@Creed It's not a question of not knowing, it's a question of being too large for us.

@Zoey if you can’t even answer the question of what the real problem is then how are you so assured something can’t fix it?

That’s like if you had a disease but didn’t know what it was, is it really better to just say fuck it and leave or actually try something even if it doesn’t work

@Marcus Moore You don't know what a life is, you're not yours.

@Sean_is_geynt You're doing great man :))

@Sean_is_geynt Do what you want, like you said it's better than doing nothing.

@Zoey no, you can't cure everything with love, but that doesn't change the fact that no matter what, doing what helps others is always better than nothing at all, most thieves can barely scrape by to survive, most psychopaths were shown to have been treated so terribly from the start that they got irreparably damaged. If keeping people clothed and fed and giving a damn about people is what it takes to stop bad people from being created to begin with, then that's what I'll stick to

@Zoey yeah, I hold hatred towards some people, it's called being human, if I could kick the guy who's been stalking my girlfriend in the face, I damn well would, so would a lot of people. I'm just acknowledging I'm human and I'm saying that regardless of this I still strive to get people the help they need

@Railee John Conans No, I say it's useless since you failed to see the real problem.

You cannot cure everything with love, I don't even know if love ever cured anything.

@PatrickSaysToYou Yes and?

Are you just here to make fun of me?

People who treat kindness as some sort of inconvenience or disease needed more of it so let's smother him with it. I maybe disgusted by his words but nonetheless, he needs it the most.

@alveloss Just leave this anti social person acting all Boomer and criticizing everything around them but in reality, there too scared to raise they hands up for an fork at lunch in school.

@Jab If you were able to think correctly, you won't need me to tell you why it is not an answerable question.

@Zoey what is, in your opinion, the real problem?

@HotPaws: Maths and Science People with their faces end up dead, not showing your face can help you if you are going to talk shit.

if i were you i'd pay close attention to what people with anime avatars say


It is Joaquin's portrayal of the "is he really bad?" That inspired me to destroy my idea for a novel then rebuild it from the ashes of the old.

My protagonist spends the entire journey hunting what are to her and others, just mass murdering psychos who killed everyone they loved for no reason. The morally grey area doesn't come from the fact these soldiers are in fact slaves to a higher power, killing only to ensure that their own families are kept alive, but from the protagonist herself. Its the lengths she will go to to achieve her goal, how deep she thrusts the blade of vengeance. As the story builds she gains more scars, each one worse than the last, and each cements her drive for the final kill.
But by the end of the novel, she's all but lost herself and become little more than an animal, killing because it is all she now know how to do, to the point she directly causes the death of her last and closest friend which is what finally breaks her.

I havent even finished the prologue :P

@Lone Wolf hey wanna be friend we can discuss about stories. I'm also writer who is writing screenplay.

@Lone Wolf  I mean, bait or not, it's true tho. Judging by your comment, the protagonist never really find happiness in their pursuit and desire for revenge. It did more harm than good, and the only thing that came out of that desire was more suffering, which is, the most common trope in any revenge stories. I'm not saying your story is bad because like you said, you haven't finished your prologue so maybe I'm just talking out of my ass.

Your story is the text book " revenge bad " down to a T

It's like Berserk but Guts never gave into his dark side or continued his quest of revenge. You should read Berserk man, highly recommended

@Chris Dawson well, as a wise 10th grade english prof once said, "The entire world and its history consists of exactly 7 original stories, each of which has been and will continue to be retold infinite times"

Ive also never seen AoT

@Lone Wolf Both. Also your story already exists, it’s AoT.

@Chris Dawson my pfp or the darkened heart rabbit hole merciless revenge story

To call it edgy would be the understatement of the century.


“One day, you might feel sympathy for the villain?”<br>Excuse me, I feel sympathy for the villain in nearly everything I watch ever since watching supposed “heroes” torture a child who had a misconception on life.

“One day, you might feel sympathy for the villain?”
Excuse me, I feel sympathy for the villain in nearly everything I watch ever since watching supposed “heroes” torture a child who had a misconception on life.


Ofcourse you use the soundtrack “sympathy for the devil”.<br>Well played sir, well played.

Ofcourse you use the soundtrack “sympathy for the devil”.
Well played sir, well played.


How does each video this guy makes, make me question life?


Absolutely love this content. Another element/nuance of this I would add is that Doctor Doom from Fantastic Four actually has much more depth in the comics than portrayed in the movies, similar to villains that you discussed here. Doctor Doom was able to see the countless outcomes for the human race in the future and the ONLY scenario in which the human race does not die off inevitably is the one in which he completely rules it, driving his motivations to achieve that scenario for the survival of humanity.


This may be my favorite video of yours yet, Emp. Its really great stuff. I can't wait for the next one. 😊


I like to use Arthas from wow as good example, wow is one of my fav games and arthas started out trying to do what he thought was right by killing everyone in strathlholme for what we all call "the greater good". which in itself is a good example of how we all look at things differently.


You know the show has a well developed villan when they are no longer just a villan but an “antagonist”


such an entertaining, intriguing masterpiece of a youtube video. I loved it.


I've watched this video a couple times and honestly I think it very well might be my favourite youtube video of all time. Truly fucking excellent.


7:35 I've listened to that song a thousand times and absolutely love it to this day


[Spoilers]

There's also Megatron from the 2005 IDW comics. His origin of just wanting to get rid of the corrupted senators of Cybertron but over time became as corrupted as them. However during the Dark Cybertron arc he casts aside the role as Decpeticon Leader and becomes an Autobot as penance for all the horrible things he had committed.


it’s all fun and games until you watch a WW2 documentary and you start to agree with the Germans

It's all fun and games untill we see   a film about colonial era and we agree with the colonists ....

Oh wait , we always do..


"People say he wasn't acting during this scene"

He wasn't acting during this scene
B R U H
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Thank you for this video, it was really entertaining


Megamind, Shrek, Despicable Me, and Wreck-it-Ralph brilliantly handled villains and heroes!


Notice the 8bit sympathy for the devil in the evil part.. that was sneaky and great 👍


nice detail and video loved it you really did the issue justice by unpacking this in a really interesting and real way


Thank you for including the music in the description, so many people don't do that. Now I can work out to Vivaldi's Four Seasons and think of Prince Zuko.


I started to like zuko as a character because they really have him good character development


The joker is a good example  of someone you understand without any background info


Never thought I'd hear 8-bit style Sympathy for the Devil


Holy shit I am begging you to do more videos like these. I will God damn pay you if I have to.


Alternatieve title: the types of conflicts in storytelling


Really underrated video on this platform


2:13
Spy is 100% the villain of the TF2 mercenaries.


I've never thought evil was a force with its own energy. Rather, it's a lack of force, just like darkness is a lack of light. You can't shine "darkness" into a room, only remove light. Look at the origin story of any real life villain and you'll often see a child deprived of love, beaten or abused by parents or society that refused to step up and be the light in that kid's life. Darkness can only thrive where light fails in its duty. This is why monsters are made, not just born.


without the evil we see no point of the good


This video reminded me of my boi shigaraki and the league of villains from MHA because the whole time they were just building up the villains and you would even feel sympathy for them


we'll always be closer to the villains because they are real. e.g. the joker.<br>childhood is loving and wanting to be the hero, adulthood is understanding the villain

we'll always be closer to the villains because they are real. e.g. the joker.
childhood is loving and wanting to be the hero, adulthood is understanding the villain


We can all agree that media "warning" about something inspiring violent acts, that warning is more ought to do that than the thing they are trying to "warn" about.


Zuko wasn’t a villain to begin with I’m sure the entire show established that it was his father. 🙄


I can name a villain who was liked and is memorable before they even had a chance to show their weakness and when the weakness was showed they became even better....

Handsome Jack. The main villain of Borderlands 2 and memorable as a great villain due to him jabbing at every pet peeve and moral compass of all who play the game.

Start of the game. First cutscene shows off the character you can play as being betrayed by Jack then an attempted murder on their lives.

Next time you hear from Jack he mocks you in many different ways from talking with his mouthful to flexing his wealth to even naming a sentiant diamond horse 'Butt stalion' in honor of you. Through a side quest you find out he killed someone who some felt bad for in the first game then laughed about how he shot her head off then tells his right hand man to kill every man woman and child on the train they were on. he even dangles a secret of his in your face throughout the first half of the game..

Every moment of him doing these things were an attack at things people find annoying or get frustraited about

Spolier warning:

When his weakness was revealed that being his daughter he was basically tourturing... you end up saving the daughter by having to kill her and when that happened Jack's ego shattered and a savage man was revealed behind the ego and he kills a very popular character before you and captures another to do the same tourture on so he can get an artifact fully charged to kill all who stand against him. He then mocks you again tauntng you with the voice of the man he killed and his savagery increased the closer you get to him all till your fight with him.


"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"


The traitor Primarchs of 40k are all good villain stories.  Some of the best are Angron's, Perturabo's and Magnus the Red

One of the best things in 40k is how pretty much everyone in the Imperium is terrible by our standarts,yet when we read whole story,they often don´t have other choices. If Imperium wasn´t so brutal,it would collapse long time ago.


This is a great video I cant think of what to call it but it was great


When the villain has more personality than the protagonist


now put all of these villans in the same room and see what they come up with


Johan Liebert - greatest antagonist of all-time in any of story ever written in managa or anime. (Monster Anime)❣


everyone: it's a manner of perspective<br>me: you showed footage of tf2 trailers when talking, you are truly cultured

everyone: it's a manner of perspective
me: you showed footage of tf2 trailers when talking, you are truly cultured


Was there an 8 bit version of sympathy for the devil in the beginning or am I insane?


Every few months I just have to watch this.


9:06 this kinda reminds me of fallout!
People wanna rebuild society as it was before the bombs fell but do you really want to rebuild a society that ended up nuking itself to the point that after 200 years it still hasn't recovered?

This is why in Fallout new vegas, Caesar wants to rebuild the old roman empire. It has lasted for centuries and didn't end with it nuking itself


I’m a simple man. Put Zuko on the thumbnail and I click and watch.


You know a video’s good when it starts with the Aqua TV Show Show theme


So basically there are no fictional villains that are as bad as real life villains. I know which world I would rather live in


I think it's clever that he put sympathy for the devil in the segment about the devil in the video titled sympathy for the villian


You can have sympathy for a villain sure sure
But not joker
The movie RUINED the joker


The "Friend to Fiend" kinda reminds me of Nishiki from the Yakuza series :(


Vegeta has the best redemption out of any I've seen


Disclaimer: I do not support the individual that I will speak of just commenting about it. I'm myself am a person of color. I do not identify as either a leftist or a right winger, I see myself as rather just a neutral spectator.

Real life versions of the joker would be about a man named Paul Miller or Gyspy crusader, once a regular person who just wanted to be a journalist that wasn't biased or bought like the big media is today, though he did have different political ideas from the leftist media he wasn't a radical right wing guy, in old clips you saw a man that enjoyed co-existing with people from different races but when the Goerge Floyd roits happened he showed the ugly side that main stream media wasn't showing and for that he was targeted by blm and since blm is seen as hero because they are the ones going against racism he was seen as a villain no questions asked, he was watched hunted by blm and antifa , he lost his job, and his mother was soon targeted by the radical groups and they sent death threats and threats of arson towards the home. He was neglected by society and became a broken man and radicalized by the same people trying to eliminate said radicalism. That brings us to Newton 3rd law states that when two bodies interact, they apply forces to one another that are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. The radical actions of the left can push people to the radical right as well as vice versa, we see this with the roits as well, African Americans felt threatened by the government or public authorities that they saw a radical whites that want to kill blacks and in response to violence they as well did that via roits. Moral of the story be nice. If you have different ideologies it's better to have a civil conversation than to bash each other. Just like animals when you assert domince to an animal they can submit or challenge, sometimes with enough pressure the submissive animal can become a threat, in fight or flight when the option of flight is unavailable fighting is the only option. The rise of radical rights is a response from the rise of the radical left, which is response to the radical right.
Please be nice and civil


this video reminded me of paul miller (gypsie crusader) and how society made him into a terrible person


For me, the villain that comes to mind is Darth vader.


Ah yes the song “More Gun” really sets the mood


Really appreciate the videogame soundtrack in the background


That 8 bit version of karn evil 9 is pretty cool


Let's pit morally gray characters againt each other. cmon lets go


This is the greatest YouTube video of all time


The thing he said about villains being cool is what CoD MW made with Makarov


This is thus far the best youtube video i have ever watched


Zuko's voice actor just never fit the character in my mind. Still he was a great character like his Uncle.


My favorite a.i vs humanity media is I have no mouth and I must scream because it shows that the more intelligent a being is the more something will see how much more power they have over others. For instance, a great leader may have power but if they do not have the knowledge to stop a weapon they will die. That is part of what the book (and game) shows that knowledge is powerful but horrifying.

@Real_Slim_Shady Honestly those are amazing videos that explain evil really well and everyone always talks about how the fallen villain is the only villain that can exist but think about it like this. Compare ourselves to an animal we are bigger and smarter than it therefore we can kill and eat it. That is elemental because we are more powerful than the animal. And the funny thing about it is that we don't care about the animal because we are smarter than it and unless we have a relationship with an animal we will not care about them. We believe that we are good people and that we are trying to survive. This means that it wouldn't be different if the roles were reversed. Say an A.I was created that was sentient and all-powerful if it killed a human it would not care because it believes that people are inferior to himself that is what I have no mouth and I must scream is about. And the video on the human brain. works perfectly with AM (The villain) to show that he isn't just an A.I he is a living being which is actually what his name stands for. I think therefore I AM. A story can easily be built through an elemental villain and still be amazing. You don't need a villain to have a horrible life start to finish and then he just snaps to have a great story. In fact, some characters work amazingly in the elemental sort of way. For example, the Demogorgon is elemental and is an amazing character in Stranger Things it kills not because humans attacked first but because it is smarter than them and feels that they are inferior.


Nox is the best villain in wakfu. You shall not try to change my mind.


whenever i see that photo of Vader from Ep VI i can never not see "sad harmonica noises" in memetext


I want to copy this word by word and delver it to my teacher


Britain: i am the one who consumes more tea
Turkey: no, i am
Amateurs...
Britain: what was that punk?
Uncle Iroh: AMATEURS! Now come have a cup of tea.


In Wiccan philosophy, we tend to believe that whatever helps life and evolution progress is good. Whatever thwarts it is evil. My personal take on it is that when you intend to do someone harm and the motive is self-gratification in whatever form, and you act on that intention, it's an evil deed. An example would be assassinating someone's character with the motive to look good, or to make them look bad if you don't like them. That would be evil. However, if someone else assassinated the very same person's character to keep others safe, to hold them accountable, or to help them change, that would be good. But it's hard to define anything as inherently good or inherently evil. For me, it's not about good and evil. It's about Understanding and Ignorance, Wisdom and Foolishness. I seek to be more conscious, wiser, more understanding. This naturally leads me to take more positive actions and when I do act negatively, the pursuit of wisdom has taught me to right my wrong in any way possible. My point is that seeking truth and understanding makes a way bigger impact than simply trying to be good and not be "evil".


"If everyone's a villain, no one will be." <br>-Syndrome from an alternate Incredibles universe probably

"If everyone's a villain, no one will be."
-Syndrome from an alternate Incredibles universe probably


This is probably my favorite YouTube video


Bro I was strait vibing to the engineer music<br>Ima go watch the meet the teams again

Bro I was strait vibing to the engineer music
Ima go watch the meet the teams again


Left for dead 2 music playing while he talks about chigaur (probably didnt spell that right) a master piece


wait the guy who made this is named EmpLemon and the simpsons said EVIL stands for every villian is lemons

am i sensing a connection here?

wait the guy who made this is named EmpLemon and the simpsons said EVIL stands for every villian is lemons

*am i sensing a connection here?*


Char Aznable is someone who you wouldnt really classify as a villian, but is like the Joker in the sense that he has no qualms about sacrificing people he knows for a goal, youd be hard pressed to call him a good guy with all the killing hes done, but understand why and his motives, hes also a direct opposition to Amuro Ray, forcing him to improve his piloting skills when he is in combat with the RX-78, changing how he thinks of warfare in the process


I'm not coming in here to be like "uhhhh anime uhhhhh" but I'm genuinely surprised he didn't include light yagami. I expected with the time of sympathy for the villain, or just anything along those lines he would have brought up light. I mean, light is the protagonist, but he isn't the good guy. That would be something to dive into and explain, about how making the protagonist the bad guy is a great story telling perspective. Like the joker, someone who is the protagonist, but is the bad guy. I'm really pushing for a video explaining the death note saga, and how that way of telling a story really makes you feel like they're doing the right thing


Is hitler considered a villain? I mean he is an antaginst worth to be called one. I mean he had a hard life and then was praised by his people then became there great leader. Is he?


completeley unrelated to the videos topic, but im loving your taste in music with deep purple/pink floyd/emerson lake palmer midis all over the place.


This dude put an 8 bit version of white room over the joker lmao


Psychopaths just be the ENTP personality type


Hey man I've seen this video several times and this happened within the last 3 months but i just thought to myself why didn't you include magneto and professor x on this video


178k likes...2k dislikes.... 11k comments... Obviously this is an amazing video


I was waiting for you to bring up kira the whole video


Anyone remember the SpongeBob episode where mister crabs makes plankton so miserable he tries to fucking kill himself


1:36 apparently harry potter and the sorcerers stone is a religious book


mustache girl from hat in time is a decent example of this methinks


WHERE THE HELL IS MEGAMIND IN ALL THIS<br>srsly tho awesome vid but megamind would have been a great addition

WHERE THE HELL IS MEGAMIND IN ALL THIS
srsly tho awesome vid but megamind would have been a great addition


Me when I put laxatives into my friends drink: 3:10


I thought Thanos would be there somewhere in the video


Based video. Help us lead the revolution, brother.


The joker is afraid of the IRS and wants an electric car, sounds pretty human to me


That's my favorite vid now

Just it

One fun fact:here in brasil the  joker don't have cause any trouble,just one playlist of cringe vids


"a certain point of view?" - Luke Skywalker


I find it funny that there is a lot of TF2 in this video about sympathy for villains. They are all bad people, but there’s so much more to them.


The title reminded me of the song sympathy for the devil


Each section of this video is sooooo deep


1:35 Harry Potter is my favorite religion🙏


i watched the whole vid, holy fuck my brain hurts and is confused


Simpathy for the devil in the background


In tHe WhItE rOoM.
... something something.
AT THE STATION.


Legend of Korra Vaatu and Raava one cant be without the other


are we gonna ignore that megamind is not in this video whatsoever


Idk bro i think azula suffers more than zuko,,,,she got betrayed by her bestfriend and her father, and thinking that her mother doesnt love her,,,(or maybe even doesnt love her)and i think zuko still better he got an iroh,,,,tho


Zuko is not a villain, zuko vas never the villain


6:48 do not search what he named his cat


Villain of circumstance.Villains are made not born and I do truly believe that many of these so called villains are only villains because we are seeing them from one perspective.


the super mario galaxy music in the background is the best


this video is <b>chef's kiss</b> perfect


Great fucking video holy shit you managed to capture my interest in a way only few youtubers, hell even few pieces of fiction of any kind can. There is the god damn sea of distractions and bs that gets thrown at you so i'm happy that you exist. Don't even have to ask if this was monetized so i dropped a bit of money on your patreon.


Honestly, Mike Ehrmantraut would have been an amazing example of a “Good Evil”

same with Walter obviously...


"As much as we hate them villains are a necessary evil"<br>showing leafy really fit this statement, I like the guy but he is a widely hated person especially in 2016, he played a major role in forcing pokimane to contemplate on her actions

"As much as we hate them villains are a necessary evil"
showing leafy really fit this statement, I like the guy but he is a widely hated person especially in 2016, he played a major role in forcing pokimane to contemplate on her actions

Not related to the topic I know but dude I saw you on nhentai comments, what a madlad

@D A i believe so, i think moist cr1tikal covered the topic well. saying how leafy had no strikes beforehand and how that's terrible for the platform since it implies that any channel can be subject to that at any time.


THIS VIDEO HAS BEEN IN MY RECOMMENDED FOR 5 FUCKING MONTHS!!!!


Until this video I always wondered, why?


Sympathy For The Devil as the 8-bit background song in the beginning is genius


I'm going to have to fight back against your claim that pure evil villains tend to be forgettable villains.  Palpatine, Freeza, Joker (from the Dark Knight and most other incarnations), and Voldemort are some of the most memorable and iconic villains of all time and they are all pure evil.

You don't need to relate to a character to remember that character.  There are plenty of amazing villains who are sympathetic and plenty who are not.  Relatability is not the metric by which good villains are judged.

@The Ankh I also think in the prequels he’s written pretty well, scheming which is fun to watch

I'd say that the keys with those kind of villains are:
1- Making them threatening by being competent. Have them beat the hero, break them, or at the very least, push them to the edge of almost doing so. These characters need to feel like a presence of their own, like they genuinely are a challenge to the main character.
2- MAKE THEM ENTERTAINING. The Emperor is an interesting example of this because if it wasn't for Ian McDiarmid's brilliance the character would be nothing but a boring evil grandpa. McDiarmid single handedly made the character entertaining to watch by giving him some sarcastic demeanour to him which I can guarantee you wasn't on the script.

I agree, but I do have to mention that Palpatine exists to balance Vader's character.

All the other characters I agree with. The Joker wasn't really a sympathetic character until The Killing Joke, and even so he did such a horrendous thing in that same comic that it didn't really change the perception people had of him. Emp mainly just talked about the 2019 Joker


don't mind me, just watching this for the 4th time....


As kids, we praised Heroes.

As adults, we understood villains.

@DrawnToDusk I as a 100% organic kid, also like antagonists way more than the protaginists.

@Luis Valdes not edgy, just a preference 🤷♀

Me, still a kid who almost always dislikes the heroes: * confusion *


Always drop whatever I’m doing to watch your videos man. So fucking good. Not only is the content on its own so interesting, eye opening, and well articulated, but your production is just so entertaining! Dude I get off on your selection of video game music and 8 but classic rock arrangements! Keep up the great work emp!


To think this came from the same guy who made The Uncredibles


The only counter I'd argue with the "who remembers a pure evil villain" question is Frieza lol everybody remembers Frieza.

@Princess Euphemia100 i mean they spent the entire namek saga hyping up frieza's character showing him massacring namekian villages and just being an overall asshole, and then delivered on that hype with goku vs frieza, so he's memorable from the storytelling of dbz not really because of his character

The only memorable pure evil villains are ones who get infectiously enthusiastic about their goal. Frieza, certain incarnations of the Joker, and Emperor Palpatine are all good examples of thin characters who are nonetheless entertaining. Without their gusto they’d be terribly boring.

Although I'm not sure if everyone remembers Frieza because of the character of Frieza or just how long the fight between Frieza and Guko was and the question of if it would ever end.

Okay I guess is time to force emp into watching anime

Frieza is probably well remembered due to how uncompromising and demonstrable their villiany is.<br>That would sort of undercut his point but it's important to note that Emp hates anime so he doesn't know much about Frieza or Dio.

Frieza is probably well remembered due to how uncompromising and demonstrable their villiany is.
That would sort of undercut his point but it's important to note that Emp hates anime so he doesn't know much about Frieza or Dio.

And DIO.

You disagree? Speedwagon, the god himself, identifies Dio as being evil from the day he was born.


Garou is probably the most sympathetic villain to me and is one of the perfect examples of a villain as a protagonist

(kind of spoilers, but not really)<br>I mean is he really a villain, love him to the bone, but as anti-hero is actually pretty distinct from a hero, garou actually deserves the of anti-villain (would call it proactionary anti-hero since heroes are reactionary), since he has an actually altruistic goal while also doesn't really lose himself in his way which is of a villain

(kind of spoilers, but not really)
I mean is he really a villain, love him to the bone, but as anti-hero is actually pretty distinct from a hero, garou actually deserves the of anti-villain (would call it proactionary anti-hero since heroes are reactionary), since he has an actually altruistic goal while also doesn't really lose himself in his way which is of a villain


Something I've always wanted to try since watching these type of videos and other stuff is try to create a story that starts with little plot but it grows into the thing, and the protagonist (Sabrina Sauer) and the antagonist (Lucivil) have both faced some form of abandonment, but they take it into two whole different ways.

Amazing video, gets you to think hard.


Jussie Smollett is definitely a villain.


The villain will always be far more fascinating than the hero.


this reminds me of the evil paradox: What do you do if there is an evil that you can't defeat by just means? Do you choose the rightous way and force justice to become corrupted or do you take evil in order to defeat a greater evil?


The year 2021 starts with emplemon

actually...acurate ... 2020 was a downward spyral , so ...we reaching far bottom it seems


i love how sympathy for the devil is playing in the background


Yeah well the Ancient Greeks had it on a whole other level. The δισσοί λόγοι were the idea that logos, ie logic or speech, can have two opposing forms, directly contradictory, which are both correct at the same time. As such, to win an argument, you don't have to pick the "correct" one, but rather pick either and try to upgrade it to the best of your capacity.


I once read a story about a German priest who was forced into service of the Nazis. He wrote it from the perspective of a Nazi soldier, so terms like "the Enemy" were commonly used to describe The Alliance. It was honestly terrifying, because I actually found myself sort of rooting for the Nazis simply because the main character was one, even if unwillingly. The part about the antagonist not necessarily being "evil" reminded me of this, and I thought I'd share. If anyone's interested, the book is called 'In the Shadow of His Wings'.

@E. Debevec he said it’s called in shadow of his wings


this was recommended to me along with a hitler documentary


You know the devil used to be good, but rejected it and became evil. There are many who decide to choose evil since it is easier or more pleasant than good. Do you notice that many well-made villains are those who emulate this rise and fall to evil, even though they may have done good things for some or many people in their careers? <br>This is a great video!

You know the devil used to be good, but rejected it and became evil. There are many who decide to choose evil since it is easier or more pleasant than good. Do you notice that many well-made villains are those who emulate this rise and fall to evil, even though they may have done good things for some or many people in their careers?
This is a great video!


How about Jesse, James and Meowth  from pokemon ?


You know, considering the shit show that's been going on in the commentary community with the whole Pyrocinical situation, I just wanna say thanks for always sticking to these types of videos. I know that nowadays you try and distance yourself from drama and shit, but I gotta say I really appreciate you sticking to that word for the longest time. This Pyrocinical controversy only proves how scummy and hypocritical the commentary community has become, and in the face of all of that, people like you and Internet Historian give me some hope for the future of this community. I hope that someday more commentary creators will stop chasing stupid trends and stop trying to build their careers off of shit talking the next douchetuber, or vlogger, or Tiktok star for 10 minutes. Because that shit gets old real fast, and is honestly indicative of just how lazy and tiresome the practice is. I think more commentary youtubers should try and pursue passion projects like these, and spend less time trying to emulate the tired trends of their predecessors. I think in the end, the commentary community should be less hostile towards each other, and stop using others as a means to an end (i.e. drama content, likes, subscribers, etc.). But yeah, thanks for doing what you do. No matter how shitty the commentary community has become, I'll always feel better knowing guys like you actually try and put effort into what they create. Cheers mate.


I love Shigaraki, he is obviously a villain but you can feel his pain and somewhat understand his reasoning.


todd from breaking bad is one of the scariest characters i've seen in a tv show. the lack of some basic human emotions makes him so terrifying, but at the same time he seems like a rather nice person

Tbh almost every character in breaking bad can be considered a villain with the exception of a few. I think it’d be cool if emplemon made a video explaining how each character is a villain and how they’re so different from eachother. But yes Todd is simply the worst


i remember when this guy used to make shitpost ytps, now he’s making amazing vids like this


anyone else not realize it was 25 mins long 20 minutes in?


Technically, If you really think about it, Stan but with an extra a is also a good guy. Why? Well, he punishes the bad people right? He does bad things to the bad people that do evil deeds. I’m not saying that he definitely the good guy and god is the bad, I’m just saying that he might not be a definite bad guy but might be trying to be a good man because punishes bad people. But you might a agree of disagree but just know that I’m not being a satanist but after watching this video I thought about how Stan punishes people that do bad.


hey emp, I am pretty sure that you wont read this comment but i want to make this just incase you do.<br>I started watching you after the btm rant and i loved (and still do) your content, your combination of fascinating documentaries with the style and editing of ytps were something fresh that I was yet to see. but over time the scale between the YouTube poop style and the documentaries started to shift and now in this video it's clear that your old chaotic style is almost completely gone. now if you love to make it that way then i am not going to tell you to change back your style, but i would love to see a return of that chaotic Ytp style

hey emp, I am pretty sure that you wont read this comment but i want to make this just incase you do.
I started watching you after the btm rant and i loved (and still do) your content, your combination of fascinating documentaries with the style and editing of ytps were something fresh that I was yet to see. but over time the scale between the YouTube poop style and the documentaries started to shift and now in this video it's clear that your old chaotic style is almost completely gone. now if you love to make it that way then i am not going to tell you to change back your style, but i would love to see a return of that chaotic Ytp style


"In each of us, two natures are at war - the good and the evil. All our lives the fight goes on between them, and one of them must conquer. But in our hands lies the power to choose what we want most to be. We are." - The strange case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde


I do love Dr. Maruki from Persona 5 royal, he really is a great “villain”, and is a very good example of a sympathetic villain


1:49 He got it backwards. The incarnate doesn't define the incarnated, he is defined by it. If the devil is the incarnation of evil then what is defined as evil becomes his actions, not the other way around.


ah yes harry potter my favourite religion