Her dad crying for help was disturbing, especially after the fact that he survived and recounted his daughter conversing with their murderers. He ran outside crying for help and he hears his daughter answer that call by saying shes calling 911. I cannot imagine the terror, I would have felt at that moment that everything was against me.

Her dad crying for help was disturbing, especially after the fact that he survived and recounted his daughter conversing with their murderers. He ran outside crying for help and he hears his daughter answer that call by saying shes calling 911. I cannot imagine the terror, I would have felt at that moment that everything was against me.

@deezel_fairy--They couldn't each take one of you with them? Why do American families have this need to abandon each other?

@deezel_fairy--They couldn't each take one of you with them? Why do American families have this need to abandon each other?

@Sillywatch--I think they wanted a trophy.

@Sillywatch--I think they wanted a trophy.

@exotic merle--It isn't even parenting; it's slavery.

@exotic merle--It isn't even parenting; it's slavery.

@Sachin S--A lot like the Menendez brothers.

@Sachin S--A lot like the Menendez brothers.

@Yøshi I'm not lost at all. Are you? I'm completely on point I can assure you of that fact.

@Yøshi I'm not lost at all. Are you? I'm completely on point I can assure you of that fact.

@BeanBagBum--An average person (IQ of 100) will get average grades. A mix of B and C grades. That's what the kids get whose parents are medical assistants, fire fighters, plumbers, etc. You inherit your parents' intelligence most of the time.

@BeanBagBum--An average person (IQ of 100) will get average grades. A mix of B and C grades. That's what the kids get whose parents are medical assistants, fire fighters, plumbers, etc. You inherit your parents' intelligence most of the time.

@Al the Alligator But his daughters decision to have her parents killed was her own. Plenty of strict parents and plenty of kids that never thought to kill them for it.

@Al the Alligator But his daughters decision to have her parents killed was her own. Plenty of strict parents and plenty of kids that never thought to kill them for it.

@Al the Alligator bro you don't know about these things. the usual culture around that region is just like that, not everyone goes to murder their parents. I do agree he didn't do the best thing but he wasn't the pure fault.

@Al the Alligator bro you don't know about these things. the usual culture around that region is just like that, not everyone goes to murder their parents. I do agree he didn't do the best thing but he wasn't the pure fault.

@Sillywatch you obviously don’t known how Asian parents can get. They can get horrifyingly strict and they can abuse you with their words and so easy to end up hating your own parents. They aren’t like regular white loving or sometimes yelling western parents. They can get quite nasty. They sometimes abuse you too physically and that’s acceptable for them. Her parents may have had great intentions but they sure didn’t know how to show their love to their daughter in loving way so much so that she reached a conclusion to kill her own parents. Yeah pretty shitty parents. The nasty dad should look back to all the wrong things he has done and said to his daughter enough for her to decide it’s better to kill her parents. These parents are the ones who caused her own daughter to become like this.

Al actually is a aligator with A+ English/Keyboard skills and he lives in the swamp...  😂 😂
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Al actually is a aligator with A+ English/Keyboard skills and he lives in the swamp...  😂 😂
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@michelle leday how lost are u? Michelle: yessss

@michelle leday how lost are u? Michelle: yessss

Yes! Knowing his little girl kept going downstairs and being buddy buddy with the men who were killing his wife and himself.. and then waking up and she’s yelling “I’m ok I’m ok I’m calling 911” i couldn’t imagine the betrayal and heartbreak

Yes! Knowing his little girl kept going downstairs and being buddy buddy with the men who were killing his wife and himself.. and then waking up and she’s yelling “I’m ok I’m ok I’m calling 911” i couldn’t imagine the betrayal and heartbreak

@Al the Alligator Never diagnosed means you did not go in for a diagnosis or were never diagnosed, but did see a specialist? It takes an experienced professional to be able to make a differential diagnosis, esp. when family and cultural adjustment issues are involved. You may want to look into the support offered for Global Nomads/Third Culture Kids. Even joining an online community can help a lot.

Things like personality disorders, mood disorders, learning disabilities, ASD and ADHD can exist in one person independently and not cancel each other out. Typical people do not get how getting a label (diagnosis) for one's oddness can be a relief, but it is basically, at its best, an everyday living instruction manual, for you and others around you to follow. Since you sound like you're looking for help, keep searching, even if your parents do not seem to be understanding. (Don't know how old you are.) Parents do change with time, too, sometimes for the better. Good luck!

@Al the Alligator i think it is reasonable in a lot of circumstances.

@Al the Alligator i think it is reasonable in a lot of circumstances.

@Al the Alligator I have to agree I don't think its a excuse to kill anyone however I don't think being a piece of shit to the point your own offspring want to murder you is a good choice in lifestyle in my opinion.

@Al the Alligator I have to agree I don't think its a excuse to kill anyone however I don't think being a piece of shit to the point your own offspring want to murder you is a good choice in lifestyle in my opinion.

@Sillywatch He obviously did tho, hide behind your lies all you like dude. Shocker, abusive parents raise abusive kids or make them feel they have no other out. World became a better place that day <3. These scumbags will have been abusive all of her life, and even continued as she was an adult. Her parents disowned her, she disowned them, she just did a better job at it.

@Sillywatch He obviously did tho, hide behind your lies all you like dude. Shocker, abusive parents raise abusive kids or make them feel they have no other out. World became a better place that day <3. These scumbags will have been abusive all of her life, and even continued as she was an adult. Her parents disowned her, she disowned them, she just did a better job at it.

@Cyan Pitts I’m sorry, I wasn’t actually commenting on what you wrote specifically. I’m just trying to say what I think.

Sorry.

@Cyan Pitts I’m sorry, I wasn’t actually commenting on what you wrote specifically. I’m just trying to say what I think.

Sorry.

@LemonSnek So ONE- If you correctly read what I CLEARLY stated, I wrote “No, No one should have died.” I also mentioned how the delusional expectations of the parents pushed the daughter down the delusional path of “I can only escape if I kill them.” She’s clearly disturbed but being raised to make money and keep high grades with no parental love and ONLY neglect will push someone to murder, absolutely.

A man had been rejected by women most of his life and and saw it as an opportunity to kill women. Thing is- he wasn’t trying to kill just ANY type of woman- he targetted the idealic “blonde hair, blue-eyed girl beauty”. Elliot Rodgers was made into what he was from his past but it by no means does that defends his actions- though you can say his past pushed him to where he was because he couldn’t escape his DELUSIONAL thinking.

With no support system, one only trusts oneself (even barely) and when you trust only yourself, your thinking becomes MORE black and white and you give yourself dramatic, unnecessary ultimatums.

My opinion. (Please don’t attack me) I don’t think planning a murder is fine even under these circumstances. It’s a PLANNED murder, so technically if she had time to plan it she’d have time to think it out?

My opinion. (Please don’t attack me) I don’t think planning a murder is fine even under these circumstances. It’s a PLANNED murder, so technically if she had time to plan it she’d have time to think it out?

So quick thing to add to this mess of a thread as some nobody; if anyone thinks “24” the same as a mentally steady, stable adult- are delusional. Most 25 year olds are just finishing college, have no apartment, thousands in college debt, and reside at home with an overdue credit card or 2. In media, the “18-25” demographic is still seen as “reckless partiers”. There are 40 year olds today who still regress and act like babies when they are angry (as the countless videos of people acting out in public have shown us). Nobody actually grows up- we’re an entire society working on the coping mechanisms and the conditioning of our parents and their prior conditioning so-on-and-so-forth. People go online and insult each other behind kitty profile pictures and ya’ll really think we are “grown” once we hit 18? Hell- most of ya’ll won’t read a comment with more than 10 sentences like it’s really difficult to do.

These parents raised her with one country’s mentality when she grew up around a completely different society. Her parents wanted her to be strongest in the subjects she was weakest and where she WAS strongest, Jen was injured and permanently benched. To me, she had to have felt like she was born to fail.

The issue with emigrated parents is that they expect their children to act the same as they would in their home country and that’s the close-minded delusional thinking that led to Jennifer’s delusional thinking and panicking.

No, nobody had to die. But are the parents innocent? Absolutely not. Is Jennifer the most vile person ever? No, absolutely not. This isn’t a grown man killing a baby in cold blood, this was a girl abused from birth trying to escape the cage she was born into and feeling like she couldn’t do it ANY OTHER WAY.

The dad’s cry for help was loud, but I’m sure the 24 years Jennifer was calling for help was much louder.

@Al the Alligator Yeah it so fucking screwed up. But as an adult she should have for her shit together, got a job. Or as an adult sit down and talk with her parents.

@Al the Alligator Yeah it so fucking screwed up. But as an adult she should have for her shit together, got a job. Or as an adult sit down and talk with her parents.

@__ yon haven‘t been in her situation,  so quit the whole "we can talk this out " imagination.

@__ yon haven‘t been in her situation,  so quit the whole "we can talk this out " imagination.

@Guy Dude Her parents were involved in her life enough and playing close enough attention to learn she had a secret bf, insist on meeting him, have the intuition to immediately recognize that he is bad news, catch her breaking their rules and continuing to spend time with him, realize that she's failing her classes and forging her report cards, correctly make the connection between her poor grades and her loser friends, and go through the trouble of implementing a very strict living situation to get said loser friends out of the picture during her formative years. Even if we go with the unlikely narrative that her parents were simultaneously overbearing and out of touch, which was only suggested by their daughter who is actively trying to defend herself in a police interrogation regarding her involvement in their murder (guys, am I the only one who recognizes the absurdity?), she could have left. She could have made her own life if she knows better. But she didn't want to work hard in school or make a living on her own because of the influence from her gangster-wanna-be boyfriend and their friends who her "overbearing" parents so desperately wanted to separate her from. how dare they

@Al the Alligator I understand perfectly what you said man... It's just that Americans tend to get hysterical sometimes, especially on social media ;)

@Al the Alligator I understand perfectly what you said man... It's just that Americans tend to get hysterical sometimes, especially on social media ;)

@Al the Alligator hey idk if u wanted any kind of response from this but I found this comment and I hope you're doing alright

@Al the Alligator hey idk if u wanted any kind of response from this but I found this comment and I hope you're doing alright

@Al the Alligator what is the Father's history?

@Al the Alligator what is the Father's history?

Sometimes a man must awake to find that, really, he has no one. <br>-Jeff Buckley

Sometimes a man must awake to find that, really, he has no one.
-Jeff Buckley

@Michael Chandler Exactly people that believe in gray areas of morality are just lying to themselves to convince themselves that something wrong is something right.

@Michael Chandler Exactly people that believe in gray areas of morality are just lying to themselves to convince themselves that something wrong is something right.

@Al the Alligator Except morality is not subjective and there is an ultimate good.

@Al the Alligator Except morality is not subjective and there is an ultimate good.

Shes to calm and scripted detectives arent fooled whatsoever

Shes to calm and scripted detectives arent fooled whatsoever

@Al the Alligator A lot of weirdo, holier than thou folks replying to your comment. I agree with you. Tiger parenting is terrible. Awful what happened to this family and the girl is evil and stupid. Two things can be true.

@Al the Alligator A lot of weirdo, holier than thou folks replying to your comment. I agree with you. Tiger parenting is terrible. Awful what happened to this family and the girl is evil and stupid. Two things can be true.

@Al the Alligator You really just shouldn't have said anything if you couldn't say it right.

@Al the Alligator You really just shouldn't have said anything if you couldn't say it right.

@rae … agree,  the only option would have been for her to leave  her parents home at the age of 24 ….and begin a  less controlling life that suited her.  She opted for the easy way out and conspired to have her parents murdered so she would inherit their estate …  Jen Jen got her wishes .. to not work for a long time!

@rae … agree,  the only option would have been for her to leave  her parents home at the age of 24 ….and begin a  less controlling life that suited her.  She opted for the easy way out and conspired to have her parents murdered so she would inherit their estate …  Jen Jen got her wishes .. to not work for a long time!

@Al the Alligator Come on man, she was 24, not 14!
I could understand the desperate situation she was in side of you points if she was a high school teenager but she was already 6 years into adulthood, she shouldnt have still been dependant on her parents at that age.

Parents being arseholes or not if they threatened her to conform to their ways or disown her, at 24 you leave and find your own way in life, you know, like a grown up? 🤣
I left home at 19, come home from work one day and was basically told by my parents that their seperating, selling the house and I (and my brother) need to find somewhere to live, no financial help, no nothing. I didn't consider killing them to claim their estate 😂. It was the day I had to grow up and start being a fckn man!

@Al the Alligator and no it’s not “shit” parenting especially for the society we live in today. People like her NEED to be disciplined

@Al the Alligator and no it’s not “shit” parenting especially for the society we live in today. People like her NEED to be disciplined

@Al the Alligator she never wanted them to try and kill them

@Al the Alligator she never wanted them to try and kill them

@Al the Alligator I can agree with your point to some extent. I wouldn't say that her parents 'brought it upon themselves' but they did play a role in how she turned out. I think that's the way it started - with small lies. Eventially she got too far and was trapped, she couldn't undo what she did and in the end it was her own fault. She just wanted freedom but made the wrong decisions

@Al the Alligator I can agree with your point to some extent. I wouldn't say that her parents 'brought it upon themselves' but they did play a role in how she turned out. I think that's the way it started - with small lies. Eventially she got too far and was trapped, she couldn't undo what she did and in the end it was her own fault. She just wanted freedom but made the wrong decisions

@Lindsey M. Hope you're doing alright now - good on you for getting away from your toxic parents.

@Lindsey M. Hope you're doing alright now - good on you for getting away from your toxic parents.

@Al the Alligator Hey, you might not read this, but just wanna say that I think you'll be alright in the end. That might not mean much coming from a stranger like me, but you'll be alright. Do little things, things you like that don't harm other people. It'll get better.

@Al the Alligator Hey, you might not read this, but just wanna say that I think you'll be alright in the end. That might not mean much coming from a stranger like me, but you'll be alright. Do little things, things you like that don't harm other people. It'll get better.

@Al the Alligator Yea, I read the part that screams, "I don't respect Asians or their culture."

@Al the Alligator Yea, I read the part that screams, "I don't respect Asians or their culture."

@Al the Alligator I understand what you are saying. Sometimes the authoritarian type of parenting becomes quite toxic and when a child is brought up in this sort of environment comes to thoroughly despise the parents. And it's very unlikely the child ever communicates its problem to the parents because he was never shown how to communicate properly(like here 35:50 & 58:24). Add it with bad company and poor education. This sort of horrific incident is highly likely to happen.

@Al the Alligator I understand what you are saying. Sometimes the authoritarian type of parenting becomes quite toxic and when a child is brought up in this sort of environment comes to thoroughly despise the parents. And it's very unlikely the child ever communicates its problem to the parents because he was never shown how to communicate properly(like here 35:50 & 58:24). Add it with bad company and poor education. This sort of horrific incident is highly likely to happen.

@Jaden Quest It is not possible to rob someone of their opinion or force them to confine to yours.

@Jaden Quest It is not possible to rob someone of their opinion or force them to confine to yours.

@Al the Alligator you’re certainly welcome. I’m sorry you got so many nasty replies. It really wasn’t warranted. But hey keep on keeping on. Have a great day!

@Al the Alligator you’re certainly welcome. I’m sorry you got so many nasty replies. It really wasn’t warranted. But hey keep on keeping on. Have a great day!

@Sillywatch yeah thats is a pretty normal thing for people to do these days, but i could see that we got the same idol, so maybe thats why we think more or less alike ;). good day to you sir.

@Sillywatch yeah thats is a pretty normal thing for people to do these days, but i could see that we got the same idol, so maybe thats why we think more or less alike ;). good day to you sir.

@Sillywatch yeah i actually agree with you on them trying to be good parents with good intentions, but damn they needed some therapy.  And again, we all react different to situations.. i know for a fact when i was a kid i LOVED soccer and played like 2-3 times a week, and that is what gave me my good energy, made me relax in school and was being a good boy, but then i was replaced to karate because one of my parent meant it was better for me to learn to defend myself... i cried, cried and cried, i really didnt want to, i loved soccer and i just remember the thought " this will be bad for me in the lng run" but what can u say as a kid?.. i started being a troublemaker in school, didnt do shiet and my parents couldnt understand why, but i talked to them about it when i grew up, my vocabulary at that young age was not good enough to argue for letting me stay at soccer. so with that said, thats when i think she surrounded herself with the wrong company..  Why arent you allowed to do these things? living in a dangeours place?

@Mattias  thank you for trying to have an conversation with me instead of insulting me like others. We live in a world today where if you disagree with someone’s opinion on a topic  that’s simple you have to be against them.

@Mattias  thank you for trying to have an conversation with me instead of insulting me like others. We live in a world today where if you disagree with someone’s opinion on a topic  that’s simple you have to be against them.

@Mattias  I feel like they were good parents with good intentions but they expected to much out of her. I’m not saying that in their parenting they didn’t go wrong in a point (all parents do - were all humans) the thing is she could have walked away from the situation. She surrounded herself with bad ppl (her bf) who I’m sure had an effect on her choice to kill her parents. I have parents who have never have ever let me go to my friends house or just to play outside. I have never been to the movies- the beach- I can’t talk to anyone to anybody on the phone and I also can’t have social media.. and it’s so annoying but I never wish death on my parents.

@Sillywatch I dont belive that.. her life has been hell, she loses the ability to her sport because of an injury and it was pretty much her only option because her parents wanted STRAIGHT A's in school or she was no good.. you know what, they never gave a f about her, parents arent supposed to force kids against their own will, but to guide them to the best ability. i think this ended really bad and ofc she could just have left them, but i think the feeling of beeing alone and abandoned by ur family is a really really bad feeling, i think she really loved her parents but if she couldnt be accepted as she was and recieve love thats when it all broke down for her.. its a real real sad case.

@Al the Alligator  and wym my parents put me in a black and white bubble. I hope your not speaking on race cause this has nothing to do with race 🤷🏽♀ you don’t know me and don’t know what I go through. Leave me alone

@Al the Alligator  and wym my parents put me in a black and white bubble. I hope your not speaking on race cause this has nothing to do with race 🤷🏽♀ you don’t know me and don’t know what I go through. Leave me alone

@Al the Alligator  I’m sorry but she wrote a long paragraph. I have things to do and I decided not to sit here and argue with ppl on the internet so I agreed to disagreed

@Al the Alligator  I’m sorry but she wrote a long paragraph. I have things to do and I decided not to sit here and argue with ppl on the internet so I agreed to disagreed

The first thing you lot need to do is stop crucifying @Al the Alligator for sharing his or her thoughts. You guys are starting to act in a similar way like the parents, which is robbing someone of their opinion by forcing them to confine to yours. What I have seen in this video is a tragedy that could have easily been avoided had the parents shown more compassion to their only child. It is a great issue with a lot of Asian family. There is a lot of suicide because of tiger parents and all the stress that comes with it. The parents did not deserve to die and those chilling screams shows that they were simply humans. What the daughter did is wrong and she deserves prison time. But I also hope they will offer her mental help and help her deal with her inner demons. Her boyfriend took advantage of her, knowing she had no one to turn to for her issues. It's a strategy many woman and men use to influence someone and that is taking advantage of them when they are down and beaten

@Al the Alligator only people who grew up under parents like that or people dealing with psychopath spouses who grew up under parents like that will know what you meant.

@Al the Alligator only people who grew up under parents like that or people dealing with psychopath spouses who grew up under parents like that will know what you meant.

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@rae They are definitely projecting and  are blissfully unaware of how absurd they sound.

@rae They are definitely projecting and  are blissfully unaware of how absurd they sound.

@exotic merle I'm not upset like most people on here for having your own opinion but regardless of the two choices she was given she's a grown adult if she didn't like the choices given to her wether they where an impossible choice or not she's a 24 year old woman she could of simply said im not dealing with none of this and moved out completey. Obviously by deciding to kill her parents she wanted them out of her life right? why couldn't she just pack her stuff and leave/move out and have her parents out of her life that way instead of murdering them, she had choices and she picked the most inhumane most cruelest thing to do, not to mention what this must have done to the rest of the family also including her brother that NOW has to live without his mom and thank god her dad made it out alive otherwise he would've lost both parents, she didnt stop to think what strain it would've done to him or the family.

@Abdurrahman Qureshi   lol my fucking guy i am asian myself and i know what it's like to be in her situation. also i literally said that it should've not ended in murder. please don't take what i'm saying out of context to fit your own narrative thanks

@Abdurrahman Qureshi   lol my fucking guy i am asian myself and i know what it's like to be in her situation. also i literally said that it should've not ended in murder. please don't take what i'm saying out of context to fit your own narrative thanks

@exotic merle  based on your comments it does seem you have personal experience with this, and it also seems like you are projecting on this case and making it way too personal. jennifer's situation was horrible. i can understand how it led to that, but in no way was it justifiable. i suggest you take a break and i wish the best for you and your relationship with your remaining family members.

@exotic merle  based on your comments it does seem you have personal experience with this, and it also seems like you are projecting on this case and making it way too personal. jennifer's situation was horrible. i can understand how it led to that, but in no way was it justifiable. i suggest you take a break and i wish the best for you and your relationship with your remaining family members.

@Al the Alligator bruh if thats the case then I want to live in canada with strict parents, that is willing to pay for an education, figure skating, piano lessons just for me to be successful, the parents are strict af but you're overlooking on how they basically paving the way for this girl's future, but I agree on some of your points, the girl is 24 and should be left alone becuase she is already an adult

@Al the Alligator bruh if thats the case then I want to live in canada with strict parents, that is willing to pay for an education, figure skating, piano lessons just for me to be successful, the parents are strict af but you're overlooking on how they basically paving the way for this girl's future, but I agree on some of your points, the girl is 24 and should be left alone becuase she is already an adult

@Al the Alligator there are kids that murder their parents for being asked to do chores wtf are you talking about? You can instill good values and morals and kindness into your children and it would still be up to them for the decisions they make. At 24 years old and after years of continuous lies the only one to blame for this situation is Jennifer. Gotta be insane to say he brought his his murder attempt and wife’s death ON HIMSELF for wanting his adult daughter to take some responsibility for her life and get her shit straight.

@Al the Alligator there are kids that murder their parents for being asked to do chores wtf are you talking about? You can instill good values and morals and kindness into your children and it would still be up to them for the decisions they make. At 24 years old and after years of continuous lies the only one to blame for this situation is Jennifer. Gotta be insane to say he brought his his murder attempt and wife’s death ON HIMSELF for wanting his adult daughter to take some responsibility for her life and get her shit straight.

@exotic merle That is not how responsibility works. No one can take responsibility for someone else's actions. Her parents were horrible to her and they are to blame for that but they are not responsible for how she responded.

@exotic merle That is not how responsibility works. No one can take responsibility for someone else's actions. Her parents were horrible to her and they are to blame for that but they are not responsible for how she responded.

@Devi Anadkar is it? bf is just a small business owner; the only difference is that he was dealing in controlled substances. It’s entirely possible that weed was all he sold, in which case he’d even have a storefront today since marijuana has been legal in Canada for years.

Are you going to address how you only see eventual material success as relevant to judging someone’s parenting choices? Are you going to address my contention that what they did was abuse, now that you can’t just tell me I don’t understand Asian parenting culture?

@Devi Anadkar is it? bf is just a small business owner; the only difference is that he was dealing in controlled substances. It’s entirely possible that weed was all he sold, in which case he’d even have a storefront today since marijuana has been legal in Canada for years.

Are you going to address how you only see eventual material success as relevant to judging someone’s parenting choices? Are you going to address my contention that what they did was abuse, now that you can’t just tell me I don’t understand Asian parenting culture?

@exotic merle "Jenifer said", ofc she would. I hazard a guess that her boyfriend's career choice played a major part. Are some parents racist? Yes and with generations it is becoming less of an issue.

@exotic merle "Jenifer said", ofc she would. I hazard a guess that her boyfriend's career choice played a major part. Are some parents racist? Yes and with generations it is becoming less of an issue.

@rae yeah, I know. I have personal experience with this, and it’s not been easy trying to (re)construct who I am outside of the expectations that were put on me. Yes, murder wouldn’t have been my choice. But I don’t know what I would’ve done instead. Even though there are only precious few members of my family left that I’m still on good terms with, I don’t think I could choose to be disowned and no longer able to talk to them. And of course, I wouldn’t want to live the life that Jennifer was living either, with no freedom to make my own decisions. This was really an impossible choice, and if I was truly faced with it, I may have taken the easy way out, as Jennifer had contemplated.

@lynxfox17 I didn't miss the memo I simply disagree with the idea of forgiving  someone that doesn't deserve it. It doesn't matter if I am not the only influence in my decisions because no matter the reason they are still my decisions and my responsibility.

@lynxfox17 I didn't miss the memo I simply disagree with the idea of forgiving  someone that doesn't deserve it. It doesn't matter if I am not the only influence in my decisions because no matter the reason they are still my decisions and my responsibility.

@Devi Anadkar it’s also common in our communities to demand racial & ethnic purity. There are Asian parents in the diaspora who wouldn’t approve of their child marrying someone from a different background. Jennifer said that her parents didn’t like her bf because he was of mixed background. That’s simply, and explicitly, racist. Are parents like this carrying on a tradition, where they consider themselves to be protecting their own culture? Sure. Does that make it ok? Absolutely not.

@Devi Anadkar it’s also common in our communities to demand racial & ethnic purity. There are Asian parents in the diaspora who wouldn’t approve of their child marrying someone from a different background. Jennifer said that her parents didn’t like her bf because he was of mixed background. That’s simply, and explicitly, racist. Are parents like this carrying on a tradition, where they consider themselves to be protecting their own culture? Sure. Does that make it ok? Absolutely not.

@ComeOnBunny “but they were not the ones responsible for their daughters actions”

Are you sure about that? They made themselves responsible for Jennifer’s actions. They wanted absolute control over every aspect of her life. She wasn’t just “unlucky”. Her autonomy, her personhood, her free will was being stripped away from her. If you haven’t experienced this type of abuse, then calling those of us who have experienced it “sore losers” doesn’t seem to be the most empathetic way to engage with us, is it?

I’d say that her life before her lies had been discovered was not too bad with all things considered. I don’t know why everybody in here seems to think the boyfriend was a “loser” “druglord”. Lots of people in certain socioeconomic conditions have very little choice but to resort to dealing in controlled substances. Selling weed is even legal in Canada now. If that’s what the bf sold, then he’d be a small business owner now. Pretty respectable, wouldn’t you say? And Jennifer seemed to have a good relationship with the bf’s mom, who actually showed her a type of parental love that clearly helped her and encouraged her, rather than her own parents’, which was restricting to say the least.

@Devi Anadkar well Devi, not everything that’s part of our culture is defensible. Physical punishment is a part of our traditional culture. Is that good? Is it not abuse, by definition? Having and knowing our culture doesn’t mean we have to accept every single aspect of it and carry it on.

As for your female peers from your teenage years — you mention their jobs, property ownership, marriage, and financial situation. I said in another comment here that, had Jennifer not chosen to murder her parents (and not to commit suicide), she may well have achieved all these things, all according to her parents’ wishes. Would she have been happy? Would she have been proud of her achievements? Would she have no regrets as to how her life turned out? It seems to me that ask the criteria you listed are material. Do you know if any of your peers from back then are happy? Are their marriages stable, fulfilling, and joyful? Do they have quiet resentment towards their parents? Do they wish they’d pursued something else, even if that meant that they wouldn’t be as well off? Life isn’t just about what you can achieve and what you can buy. Life should be so much more than that.

As for saying she could just leave — as I said in another comment, the choice given to her wasn’t simply to “leave”. She was to be disowned if she didn’t return to live with her parents. Are you sure that’s something anyone who had any shred of affinity for anyone in their family would be able to consciously choose? If your parents presented disowning to you as a choice against something else, would you see it as a real choice?

@Al the Alligator It doesn't matter if they changed. Them changing while good for them does not take away what they did or the pain they caused. It is small minded and a warp sense of entitlement to think someone is owed or deserves forgiveness because they changed.

Changing is not enough to be forgiven they have to make up for what they did. If they did something that cannot be made up for than it is a unforgivable offense no matter how much they change or how sorry they are for their actions.

@Al the Alligator It doesn't matter if they changed. Them changing while good for them does not take away what they did or the pain they caused. It is small minded and a warp sense of entitlement to think someone is owed or deserves forgiveness because they changed.

Changing is not enough to be forgiven they have to make up for what they did. If they did something that cannot be made up for than it is a unforgivable offense no matter how much they change or how sorry they are for their actions.

@__ You clearly never was in a situation bad enough where you cannot "confront someone like an adult"<br>Because if you were at least once in your life terrified beyond any reason you wouldn't say dumb shit like that

@__ You clearly never was in a situation bad enough where you cannot "confront someone like an adult"
Because if you were at least once in your life terrified beyond any reason you wouldn't say dumb shit like that

@ComeOnBunny Ever heard the saying forgive, dont forget.

I think you missed the memo when we figured that one out

@ComeOnBunny Ever heard the saying forgive, dont forget.

I think you missed the memo when we figured that one out

@ComeOnBunny "No matter how unlucky someone is they are still the only one responsible....."

Sounds great in a motivational book. Sounds rather ignorant in psychology.

Modern propaganda, Advertisement, addiction...

I can assure you that you regularly make choices of which you are not the only one responsible for desciding.

You may be the only one who has to face consequences but you were not the only influence to descided.

Your idea also relies on the false notion that there is a very high level of agency to descision making progresses.

@Lena Nvz , could you read my comment further up the thread about the choices she was given? It wasn’t “move out and no money from us” vs “return home and be good”. The choices they gave her were disowning vs complete subjugation. It was an impossible choice.

@Lena Nvz , could you read my comment further up the thread about the choices she was given? It wasn’t “move out and no money from us” vs “return home and be good”. The choices they gave her were disowning vs complete subjugation. It was an impossible choice.

@lynxfox17 thanks!

As to your point about nature vs nurture — i’m not placing the entire blame of the occurrence of the murder on the parents, but I do understand that saying “if they hadn’t been so controlling, this wouldn’t have happened” seems to suggest that. Jennifer’s reaction to prolonged abuse, I would say, is understandable but nevertheless inexcusable. Simplistically, the murder is predicated on two things: the abuse from the parents, and the reaction to that abuse from Jennifer. Without either, this wouldn’t have happened. I don’t think we actually disagree that much here.

And you’re right that we don’t have the real facts about their relationship. I recognized my own upbringing in what Jennifer seems to have gone through, and so maybe I put some facts there that weren’t really there. That’s my bad.

@exotic merle I really appreciated alot of what your saying. You took the words straight out of my mouth about the 'actual' choices she faced.

However; saying that this would have not had happened if they had been more compassionate people is wrong for two reasons.

Nature v nurture has shown repeatedly that there is a complex relationship between a persons genetic predispositions and reaction to trauma.

Pleanty of absolutly inhuman folks who came from great homes. Pleanty of radiant individuals from the worst depths of life.

And because we dont actually have the narrative in their relationship.

@ComeOnBunny But think about this: what if someone has changed to the point that they're not a real danger anymore? You might still contain them, but are you gonna hold the grudge against them forever? <i>That's</i> small-minded. It's quite inhumane to treat a person that way, no matter what they've done before.

@ComeOnBunny But think about this: what if someone has changed to the point that they're not a real danger anymore? You might still contain them, but are you gonna hold the grudge against them forever? _That's_ small-minded. It's quite inhumane to treat a person that way, no matter what they've done before.

@Al the Alligator People are governed by many things emotions, environment, information, memories and instinct I know I am no exception. Which is why being able to document and categorize my own thoughts to verify them and look at them from different perspectives is important because it allows me to think independently without being governed by anything else. So while logic can help someone forgive just about anyone it can also cause them to forget that the person cannot be trusted, and is dangerous so I don't think forgiveness is the way to go.

@ComeOnBunny I would disagree there, containment is the only reason why someone shouldn't be treated like everyone else, if they're dangerous. Punishment for the sake of punishment makes no objective sense.

Resentment is a natural feeling, but logic should make you able to forgive anyone.

@ComeOnBunny I would disagree there, containment is the only reason why someone shouldn't be treated like everyone else, if they're dangerous. Punishment for the sake of punishment makes no objective sense.

Resentment is a natural feeling, but logic should make you able to forgive anyone.

@Al the AlligatorI disagree with always forgiving people because resentment can be productive and motivating as long as it is managed. Anger and hatred are the most invalidated emotions, and it is fine to not forgive and have resentment towards other people for their actions.

@Al the AlligatorI disagree with always forgiving people because resentment can be productive and motivating as long as it is managed. Anger and hatred are the most invalidated emotions, and it is fine to not forgive and have resentment towards other people for their actions.

@ComeOnBunny Again my whole point is that I think you should always forgive the person, just not the act. No one is ultimately in control of anything, even their conscious choices, because those are the result of other influences. Anyone can be excused, but you might fundamentally disagree with an act, like I disagree with murder and so do you.

And if you read further up the thread from this reply, you'll see I clearly say that while the problem can be traced back to her parents before her, it can be traced back to way before, and they're certainly not more guilty than she is. I didn't bring my judgement upon them, at least not in the absolute: at the time of their actions, they were a piece of shit, so was Jennifer, and I stand by that. My judgment isn't absolute because unlike you, I don't let their faults at a certain point in time define them.

@ComeOnBunny Again my whole point is that I think you should always forgive the person, just not the act. No one is ultimately in control of anything, even their conscious choices, because those are the result of other influences. Anyone can be excused, but you might fundamentally disagree with an act, like I disagree with murder and so do you.

And if you read further up the thread from this reply, you'll see I clearly say that while the problem can be traced back to her parents before her, it can be traced back to way before, and they're certainly not more guilty than she is. I didn't bring my judgement upon them, at least not in the absolute: at the time of their actions, they were a piece of shit, _so was Jennifer,_ and I stand by that. My judgment isn't absolute because unlike you, I don't let their faults at a certain point in time define them.

@Al the Alligator I understand why she came to be like that but it doesn't matter. No matter how unlucky someone is they are still the only one responsible for their life, choices and actions which is something you do not seem to understand. Were her parents assholes yes but they were not the ones responsible for their daughters actions.

People can spend all the time in the world whinging about their bad luck in life but it sounds like nothing but the complaints of sore losers. Also asking who I am to bring judgment on other people all while you are bringing judgement on her parents just makes you a hypocrite.

@UC09QLhiS867J9BxduwN4aWQ Well as far as I am currently concerned, that's wrong on so many levels:

I explained why she is a victim and you didn't address it. Why is she an "entitled brat"? Because her parents made her that way, that's how she was raised. She is incredibly unlucky to have ended up this way, because everyone will judge her and hate her (even if she "deserves" it), you will disregard her as person entirely. She'll never get another chance.

Who are you to bring your judgement unto people? That's why I mean when I say you're small-minded. You don't try to understand why she came to be like that and do the things she did.

And yes, her parents are responsible for her happiness, at the very least during the years when she is their damn responsibility.

@UC09QLhiS867J9BxduwN4aWQ Well as far as I am currently concerned, that's wrong on so many levels:

I explained why she is a victim and you didn't address it. Why is she an "entitled brat"? Because her parents made her that way, that's how she was raised. She is incredibly unlucky to have ended up this way, because everyone will judge her and hate her (even if she "deserves" it), you will disregard her as person entirely. She'll never get another chance.

Who are you to bring your judgement unto people? That's why I mean when I say you're small-minded. You don't _try_ to understand why she came to be like that and do the things she did.

And yes, her parents _are_ responsible for her happiness, at the very least during the years when _she is their damn responsibility._

@Al the Alligator no it is not. You consider it abuse. I don't. It is a part of our culture and our parents push us so we don't live hand to mouth. Nothing wrong with work hard. Do you also consider the strict regime and training within the army abuse or cheer it on? From my teenage years all the girls whose parents were strict are now in professional jobs, own property married and financially very stable, all asian apart from one. The rest whose parents were non existent for one reason or another or had a relaxed approach failed miserably. Our parents have seen struggles first hand and don't want their children to experience it. Ofc if you don't like that strict approach then you can leave. She could have eloped with her drug lord boyfriend and lived happily ever after .

@Al the Alligator everyone is entitled to there own opinion yes I do agree they where harsh on her but saying he brought this upon his self is not right at all. NO ONE deserves to be murdered or almost murdered no matter what they do. Yes her parents where overly strict but come on dude, if someone decides to kill there parents just because of being overly strict doesn't mean there the ones who fucked up there daughter enough to make her decide to do that and neither does it mean they failed as parents. THERE are parents out there that are addicted to many drugs and don't even feed or buy anything for there kidS, NOW that's failing as a parent.. keep in mind that if she didn't like her parents rules she could of simply moved out SHES 24 FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. SHES AN ADULT no wonder her parents where starting to give her an ultimatum she's 24 and is fucking up her life with her drug dealer boyfriend, like I said she could've simply moved out or picked one of the choices her parents gave her witch was pick her boyfriend over her parents and if she decided to do that they would stop all help money wise. if she really wanted her parents out of her life why didn't she move out or pick the ultimatum about choosing her boyfriend? she had choices instead she decided to kill them

@Devi Anadkar You're generalizing. Maybe, fair enough, it works for a lot of Asian children, but it certainly didn't work for her. It's abuse whether it "works" or not.

@Devi Anadkar You're generalizing. Maybe, fair enough, it works for a lot of Asian children, but it certainly didn't work for her. It's abuse whether it "works" or not.

@ComeOnBunny Yeah, and you're just disregarding the fact that she's essentially more of a victim than you are. She didn't have the luck of the universe making her as tough or reasonable as you, and her situation growing up was tougher. She would rather kill her parents because she got unlucky enough to have reasons (not good enough to us (me included), but good enough to her). Still doesn't make murder OK, but it makes sense as to why it would happen this way.

At least I think, but this makes sense to me. You seem extremely small-minded and judgemental.

@ComeOnBunny Yeah, and you're just disregarding the fact that she's essentially more of a victim than you are. She didn't have the luck of the universe making her as tough or reasonable as you, and her situation growing up was tougher. She would rather kill her parents because she got unlucky enough to have reasons (not good enough to us _(me included),_ but good enough to her). Still doesn't make murder OK, but it makes sense as to why it would happen this way.

At least I think, but this makes sense to me. You seem extremely small-minded and judgemental.

@rae what @Abdurrahman Qureshi was referring to was the fact that you said "yeah Asian parents suck for the most part," but that's a prime example of someone who takes words out of context and completely disregards the point you were making.

@rae what @Abdurrahman Qureshi was referring to was the fact that you said "yeah Asian parents suck for the most part," but that's a prime example of someone who takes words out of context and completely disregards the point you were making.

@exotic merle I agree with most of what you've said, and I mainly love how eloquent, articulate, and precise you make each point. I also very much appreciate the constant disclaimers that you don't condone murder, because that's something that I sometimes, like here for example, fail to do. Most people aren't paying that much attention to conversations like these, and even if they are, it's apparently really important to constantly put newly introduced ideas in context so they're interpreted the way you mean it.

I would have to agree with @rae that you can't really define love this way, though. You're using an absolute ideal to define love, or the way you personally see what you would think of as love. In that way, it's too vague to apply to all situations, it has no versatility; all humans don't function the exact same way, much in the same way that different species might behave differently while still having similarities. Jennifer's parents probably had different standards for what love is, and did what they did because to them, it was the "right" thing to do in order to care for the well-being of their daughter. It's rather easy to argue that it was harmful for the daughter (you know... she killed them), so it's bad parenting and not "right," it's abuse — but it's still some form of love.
While that may be true, I'm sure a huge part of that culture isn't based on love but rather on the fact that having successful children increases your social status, and that's the way they were taught to raise their children, the "right" way.
I still agree with pretty much everything else.

I gotta ask though, is your Shift key broken?

@exotic merle I agree with most of what you've said, and I mainly love how eloquent, articulate, and precise you make each point. I also very much appreciate the constant disclaimers that you don't condone murder, because that's something that I sometimes, like here for example, fail to do. Most people aren't paying that much attention to conversations like these, and even if they are, it's apparently really important to constantly put newly introduced ideas in context so they're interpreted the way you mean it.

I would have to agree with @rae that you can't really define love this way, though. You're using an absolute ideal to define love, or the way you personally see what you would think of as love. In that way, it's too vague to apply to all situations, it has no versatility; all humans don't function the _exact_ same way, much in the same way that different species might behave differently while still having similarities. Jennifer's parents probably had different standards for what love is, and did what they did because to them, it was the "right" thing to do in order to care for the well-being of their daughter. It's rather easy to argue that it was harmful for the daughter (you know... she killed them), so it's bad parenting and not "right," it's abuse — but it's still some form of love.
While that may be true, I'm sure a huge part of that culture isn't based on love but rather on the fact that having successful children increases your social status, and that's the way they were taught to raise their children, the "right" way.
I still agree with pretty much everything else.

I gotta ask though, is your Shift key broken?

@Al the Alligator that parenting works for alot of asian children. Our parents are stern but later in life we are pretty comfy. Look at Indians, pretty successful people.

@Al the Alligator that parenting works for alot of asian children. Our parents are stern but later in life we are pretty comfy. Look at Indians, pretty successful people.

@Al the Alligator I completely agree and can see what ur saying, you’re not saying that she should’ve done what she did , but if he was that shit of a dad that she felt this was her only option he truly was a terrible father.

@Al the Alligator I completely agree and can see what ur saying, you’re not saying that she should’ve done what she did , but if he was that shit of a dad that she felt this was her only option he truly was a terrible father.

@Abdurrahman Qureshi ??? wtf are u even talking about

@Abdurrahman Qureshi ??? wtf are u even talking about

@exotic merle defining "love" is too vague, and maybe it may not be love, but it was undeniable that they still had concern for her. on the other hand, i still think that love can manifest into that sort of ugly decision. it's quite common in asian households and i don't condone it in any way--but it's a real thing that happens, however doesn't always end up in murder.

@exotic merle defining "love" is too vague, and maybe it may not be love, but it was undeniable that they still had concern for her. on the other hand, i still think that love can manifest into that sort of ugly decision. it's quite common in asian households and i don't condone it in any way--but it's a real thing that happens, however doesn't always end up in murder.

@Lindsey M. , thank you for bringing some sense into this incredibly problematic thread, and thank you for sharing your experience.

these folks are painting the parental abuse as love, simply because of their eventual murder. two wrongs don't make a right. the parents having to suffer the consequences of their actions neither excuses the murder, nor absolves them from the abuse they imposed on jennifer in the first place.

@Lindsey M. , thank you for bringing some sense into this incredibly problematic thread, and thank you for sharing your experience.

these folks are painting the parental abuse as love, simply because of their eventual murder. two wrongs don't make a right. the parents having to suffer the consequences of their actions neither excuses the murder, nor absolves them from the abuse they imposed on jennifer in the first place.

@Joseph , it's the terrible parents who should not abuse their children in the first place. without the parents' abuse, this wouldn't have happened.

@Joseph , it's the terrible parents who should not abuse their children in the first place. without the parents' abuse, this wouldn't have happened.

@michelle leday i love that your armchair psychology degree is coming in handy.

is jennifer narcissistic for her instincts of self-preservation? she has known nothing but having to cater to her parents' demands her whole life. her parents, the people who were supposed to protect her from the world, were the ones abusing her. i can tell you from personal experience that this type of trauma builds your sense of self-preservation to an astonishing degree. this is not what narcissistic personality disorder looks like. if you didn't notice, jennifer chose to not rat out her boyfriend or the intruders. a narcissist wouldn't have done that.

you also call her a pathological liar. i mean -- and again, i have to emphasize that i'm not condoning murder whatsoever -- if you had committed murder, would you not be lying to try to cover your tracks? if she were a pathological liar, would she have been able to have maintained a relationship for years upon years, living in her partner's parents' home, being beloved by her partner's parents?

you also say that she has sociopathic tendencies. first of all, that's no longer the preferred clinical term. antisocial personality disorder is characterized by long-term pattern of disregard for, or violation of, the rights of others. you might think she fits the bill, but let me ask you this. other than her parents, whose rights had she disregarded or violated? she tried to protect the identities of her co-conspirators, including her bf and the intruders. someone with actual antisocial personality disorder would not have done that. her disregard for her parents' rights -- other than her disregard for their lives, which i do not condone -- is entirely justified, simply because her parents had disregarded her rights as a person to determine her own future, for her entire life, in the first place.

to quote someone eloquent and who i adore, you don't know shit about fuck.

@rae you say that the parents really loved her. do you see yourself giving someone you love an impossible choice -- you ask them to either be cut off from you completely, or to be under your control 24/7? would you really say that this is what love can possibly manifest as?

@rae you say that the parents really loved her. do you see yourself giving someone you love an impossible choice -- you ask them to either be cut off from you completely, or to be under your control 24/7? would you really say that this is what love can possibly manifest as?

@__ i really want everyone reading this to seriously consider these two choices. again, i am not condoning murder -- but people make extreme choices when they're faced with a choice where no option yields any possibly positive outcome for them. @Sillywatch, you say that jennifer failed to communicate with her parents, that she didn't tell them what she wanted. @__, you say that she never confronted her parents like an adult. this is akin to telling someone sexually assaulted while they were blackout drunk that they should've resisted. this is textbook victim blaming. when you have lived your whole life being emotionally and psychologically abused, "communication" is not going to fix it, because there is simply no "communication" in an abusive relationship. there are the demands of the parents, and all there's left for jennifer to do is to obey.

@Sillywatch these were her choices.

choice one. move home, stick to an unreasonably strict schedule complete with an unreasonably early curfew, follow the parents' instructions, without any possibility for disagreement or deviance, as to what she would study, what kind of career she would go on to pursue, and carry out all those plans to her parents' satisfaction, which was, as we know, incredibly difficult to attain, due to the unreasonably high expectations that they had for her. @Sillywatch, you say that the parents "excused" jennifer's behaviour and gave her a "second chance" by allowing her to return home. my friends, these are textbook examples of abuse victims justifying the behaviour of their abusers. this was not a second chance, and it was not a gracious act of forgiveness. if jennifer had remained on this path (and not commited suicide, which, let's be honest, would've been likely at one point or another), then she would've been as miserable as a human can be. she may well have achieved "great" things under this plan by her parents' definition, but she would've had no say in the matter whatsoever. she would've been studying in a field not because she wanted to, but because her parents wanted her to. she would've ended up in a profession that she would've hated. if she had become a doctor, as suggested -- would you want your doctor to have been forced to go to medical school, and to not have wanted to be a doctor at all, to have no passion for their job? i wouldn't.

choice two. to be disowned. some of the people in this thread seem to think this simply entails being written out of the parents' will. that is, imo, actually one of the least devastating consequences of being disowned. being disowned (by both of your parents) means that for the rest of your life, you will not be able to contact them in any capacity. more often than not, this comes along with the loss of literally -- and i do mean literally -- all of your family connections. there are instances of siblings maintaining contact, but with jennifer's parents, do you see a plausible situation where they'd allow anyone in the family to contact her, if they'd disowned her? i genuinely don't. i don't know if any of you have seriously considered the consequences of completely being removed from your family structure -- it's as if you just don't exist to all those that you'd considered your family. not just your parents -- your siblings, your grandparents, your aunts & uncles, your cousins, your distant relatives who come visit only once in a while. you will no longer be able to attend any family function. not christmas, not thanksgiving, not any other possible significant holiday. not a birthday. no, not even the birthday of that one person in your family that you actually like. this is true for the rest of your life. you will have no fallback at all. you can't call a relative to ask for advice or for a recipe.

i really cannot disagree with you more. let me do preface that insofar as jennifer committed premeditated murder, that was unjustified and unjustifiable. this applies to everything else i say.

i don't doubt the parents thought that they loved her, and that they thought they were doing what was right. but that is different from them actually loving her, and from them actually doing what is right.

I also don't doubt for a second that, as the last detective said, jennifer was being abused by her parents. the facts are actually pretty clear here. her parents were emotionally and psychologically abusive, as well as financially (although this may be an arguable point). restricting the movement of an adult person against their will is, in fact, illegal -- it's false imprisonment. just as sexual abuse can occur between married couples, false imprisonment can occur between parents and adult children.

you might respond by saying that she was not held in the home against her will, and that she had been given a choice, and that she chose to be there. @Sillywatch, for example, says this exact thing. well, we need to be reminded of the choices she was given. keep in mind that she was 24 at this point.

@Smile More you're welcome and thank you. I do like writing of my thoughts down as it helps formulate my ideas, but yeah people don't really listen to me that often so this is pretty nice.

For context, my original reply had 0 likes when the first reply to me along with the next ones disagreeing each had around 15, so this was quite a turnaround. I admit I was very blunt, but it's great that people can still understand you after that

@Smile More you're welcome and thank you. I do like writing of my thoughts down as it helps formulate my ideas, but yeah people don't really listen to me that often so this is pretty nice.

For context, my original reply had 0 likes when the first reply to me along with the next ones disagreeing each had around 15, so this was quite a turnaround. I admit I was very blunt, but it's great that people can still understand you after that

@Al the Alligator thank you for explaining. That was much needed for these people.  Was borderline understanding what you said but not to the point I’m going to rant about how bad of a person you are on the internet. You really owed us nothing in this case but thank you for typing all of that out. It helps a lot.

@Al the Alligator thank you for explaining. That was much needed for these people.  Was borderline understanding what you said but not to the point I’m going to rant about how bad of a person you are on the internet. You really owed us nothing in this case but thank you for typing all of that out. It helps a lot.

@RileyRoo Oh thank you. Well, I think it's always good to be open minded and to leave room for the possibility of changing your opinion, even if I didn't here, but yeah it is also good to be able to stand your ground. That's ignoring the fact that my username would still be in the thread if I deleted my reply anyway, lol. Thanks, though.<br>Oh and don't worry, you're too deep down the thread to get backlash.

@RileyRoo Oh thank you. Well, I think it's always good to be open minded and to leave room for the possibility of changing your opinion, even if I didn't here, but yeah it is also good to be able to stand your ground. That's ignoring the fact that my username would still be in the thread if I deleted my reply anyway, lol. Thanks, though.
Oh and don't worry, you're too deep down the thread to get backlash.

@Abdurrahman Qureshi They never "justified murder." Don't put words in their mouth.

What do you mean by "justify" anyway?
Give reasons? Because you can always do that, everything has reasons for happening.
Or give excuses? Because while you might perhaps not be able to forgive the act — I personally wouldn't — you should always be able to forgive the person.

@Abdurrahman Qureshi They never "justified murder." Don't put words in their mouth.

What do you mean by "justify" anyway?
Give reasons? Because you can always do that, everything has reasons for happening.
Or give excuses? Because while you might perhaps not be able to forgive the act — I personally wouldn't — you should always be able to forgive the person.

@Al the Alligator Props to you - most people would have just deleted their comment. You stand behind what you believe and say. I'm going to probably get backlash for this comment, but whatever

@Al the Alligator Props to you - most people would have just deleted their comment. You stand behind what you believe and say. I'm going to probably get backlash for this comment, but whatever

@Al the Alligator yes I suppose plotting to murder your parents is a bit more than an awful child.

@Al the Alligator yes I suppose plotting to murder your parents is a bit more than an awful child.

@Sachin S Well yeah, pretty much. I mean it doesn't make murder okay like what people seem to think I mean, but that's exactly what I was trying to say. Indeed

@Sachin S Well yeah, pretty much. I mean it doesn't make murder okay like what people seem to think I mean, but that's exactly what I was trying to say. Indeed

@Al the Alligator I think what you’re trying to say is that bad parents created an awful daughter.

@Al the Alligator I think what you’re trying to say is that bad parents created an awful daughter.

@Guy Dude Yeah, thank you. You could say it's our modern society or whatever, but I'm sure it's always been like this. People think in absolutes, there's practically never any nuance. "If Jennifer did the bad thing, then she must be the bad one, which means her parents are the good ones, which means they must've done nothing wrong, right?" That's exaggerated, but essentially how people think. There are always more than one side to a problem, and there's really no such thing as a "villain," unless you're relatively small-minded.

It's Jennifer's fault that she killed her parents, of course, but that fault is the result of a set of circumstances that she ultimately had no control over. The main part of these circumstances are her parents, so it's their fault. But in the same way, their fault is the result of a set of circumstances, like their culture, and its fault goes back further too. In the end, it can all be traced back to pure luck, probability.

Think about it, no one would do something that they themselves wouldn't agree with, consciously or not, right? So from their own subjective point of view, "good" is different than others', even if they are consciously aware that the common opinion is different, and even if they believe that there is an objective good that they are going against. If they do something, they feel it's right, or "good." Everyone is the hero of their own story, as there is no objective good or bad. No one is "evil," it's just that you can't open your mind enough to comprehend them, or don't try to come to a common conclusion with them and agree and find common ground. Maybe you tried, but you failed, and just end up disagreeing. If you ever think you're objectively right, or good, you're not tolerant, and you think of your opinion as superior.

That's not to say that I don't hate the fact that she killed her parents, or anyone for that matter, I'm programmed to be repulsed by that, and I think it's a terrible solution with my own subjective logical reasoning.

Blah blah I hope you agree.

@Guy Dude Yeah, thank you. You could say it's our modern society or whatever, but I'm sure it's always been like this. People think in absolutes, there's practically never any nuance. "If Jennifer did the bad thing, then she must be the bad one, which means her parents are the good ones, which means they must've done nothing wrong, right?" That's exaggerated, but essentially how people think. There are always more than one side to a problem, and there's really no such thing as a "villain," unless you're relatively small-minded.

It's Jennifer's fault that she killed her parents, of course, but that fault is the result of a set of circumstances that she ultimately had no control over. The main part of these circumstances are her parents, so it's their fault. But in the same way, their fault is the result of a set of circumstances, like their culture, and its fault goes back further too. In the end, it can all be traced back to pure luck, probability.

Think about it, no one would do something that they themselves wouldn't agree with, consciously or not, right? So from their own subjective point of view, "good" is different than others', even if they are consciously aware that the common opinion is different, and even if they believe that there is an objective good that they are going against. If they do something, they *feel* it's right, or "good." Everyone is the hero of their own story, as there is no objective good or bad. No one is "evil," it's just that you can't open your mind enough to comprehend them, or don't try to come to a common conclusion with them and agree and find common ground. Maybe you tried, but you failed, and just end up disagreeing. If you ever think you're objectively right, or good, you're not tolerant, and you think of your opinion as superior.

That's not to say that I don't hate the fact that she killed her parents, or anyone for that matter, I'm programmed to be repulsed by that, and I think it's a terrible solution with my own subjective logical reasoning.

Blah blah I hope you agree.

@Abhishek same lol they really loved her and it's so tragic. they still gave her a chance after she blew it many times

@Abhishek same lol they really loved her and it's so tragic. they still gave her a chance after she blew it many times

@rae I think the parents did her easy after they found out that she lied about everything and has a drug lord bf. My parents would have directly kick me out lol.

@rae I think the parents did her easy after they found out that she lied about everything and has a drug lord bf. My parents would have directly kick me out lol.

@Lindsey M. That's precisely what I've been trying to say, but I apparently have no subtlety whatsoever, which makes me seem extremely unlikable. It's nice to see some people agree.

@Lindsey M. That's precisely what I've been trying to say, but I apparently have no subtlety whatsoever, which makes me seem extremely unlikable. It's nice to see some people agree.

@Sillywatchas someone who lived in a household like hers, I can say this isn’t true. It isn’t just all “communication” TRULY strict parents who already know that THEY want you to do for your life, don’t care what you want or what you think, my parents are very religious and they were going to force me into a marriage and I was not allowed to have a job, to have friends outside of our religion, or attend a public school. I literally told them I was depressed and a doctor even told them the same thing and they yelled at me and told me I had no reason to be “sad” with food in my belly and clothes on my back. I didn’t escape that house and they didn’t start listening to me until I ran away from home when I turned 19. Even after I ran away they tried to call cops to the hotel I was staying in. So no, I don’t think this case was just “lack of communication” the narrator clearly stated that Jennifer was given an ultimatum of two options and they were firm. 1 Stay home and live the life she didn’t want, or 2. Do what she wanted to do and her family would never speak to her ever again. What she did was horrible and she’s a monster for it, but I’d be willing to bet that her parents were a big part of the problem and her boyfriend who was a drug lord also heavily influenced her and probably had offered to “get rid of them” multiple times, which she probably refused up until her parents found out about her double life and gave her the option of doing what THEY wanted, or being disowned. Asians also traditionally are very strict and have high expectations (not being racist in any way! Just what I’ve observed for myself) and they want their children to succeed, but even my Asian friends have told me that their parents aren’t happy with them unless they’re doing what their parents have planned out for their lives. One of my friends now owns her own company but her parents are still upset with her because she didn’t become a doctor. It’s hard on a person whenever the people you care about most won’t support you or your desires in any way.

@rae I 100% agree with everything you said, and I never said murder was an option or her actions justified to the point of being excusable.

@rae I 100% agree with everything you said, and I never said murder was an option or her actions justified to the point of being excusable.

@Al the Alligator i agree, asian parents for the most part suck with their expectations and obligations but does it really have to end in murder? i'm not saying she has to forgive them or find peace with them, but i think there is definitely a much less violent and painless option than what she did.

@Al the Alligator i agree, asian parents for the most part suck with their expectations and obligations but does it really have to end in murder? i'm not saying she has to forgive them or find peace with them, but i think there is definitely a much less violent and painless option than what she did.

@Al the Alligator wth is wrong with you sociopath? Move far away from YOUR parents so they don't wind up in a failed murder plot when they do something than "triggers" your psychopathic feelings 🙄🤔🧐😳

@Al the Alligator wth is wrong with you sociopath? Move far away from YOUR parents so they don't wind up in a failed murder plot when they do something than "triggers" your psychopathic feelings 🙄🤔🧐😳

@Al the Alligator  <br>Hearing those cry’s of a man who is soon to be slaughtered and saying that he “brought it on himself” is not okay.

@Al the Alligator
Hearing those cry’s of a man who is soon to be slaughtered and saying that he “brought it on himself” is not okay.

@Al the Alligator  her parents moved from a very hard country and tried to give her a better life and just wanted to encourage her to make a living for herself.  There is no justification for murder (unless it’s self defense)<br>Edit: I’m not saying her parents didn’t play a role in shaping how she turned out.. I feel like they had good intentions but they put to much on her. she murdered her parents and that was her decision(I’m pretty sure the bf had an influence on her decision) what’s done is done. It a cause and effect (parents behavior = hers ) but she still committed the action and deserves to be in jail.

@Al the Alligator  her parents moved from a very hard country and tried to give her a better life and just wanted to encourage her to make a living for herself.  There is no justification for murder (unless it’s self defense)
Edit: I’m not saying her parents didn’t play a role in shaping how she turned out.. I feel like they had good intentions but they put to much on her. she murdered her parents and that was her decision(I’m pretty sure the bf had an influence on her decision) what’s done is done. It a cause and effect (parents behavior = hers ) but she still committed the action and deserves to be in jail.

@Al the Alligator   😳 literally in no circumstance would this be the option wtf? She never confronted her parents like an adult.. she literally had them murdered…

@Al the Alligator   😳 literally in no circumstance would this be the option wtf? She never confronted her parents like an adult.. she literally had them murdered…


"In the abstract world of her parents, Jennifer was on her way to a noble and well paid career in medical health care.  When in reality, she was a high school dropout living with her drug dealer boyfriend who she had been dating for 8 years."

Alright I'll keep watching.

Amber Rai Yea, I was referring to grade school not university. She dropped out before senior year....I didn’t take into consideration their English. You may be right!

Literally read your comment right as I heard that in the video.

Fred Garvin it’s interesting because a lot of schools have quarterly parent-teacher conferences regarding the child’s academics and behavior. Maybe her school didn’t have that. But either way her parents weren’t involved as much as they needed to be there

What you just explained is just any normal relationship you can see out here in Southeast San Diego

@Fred Garvin not sure what point you're trying to make by saying this?

@AggrievedCommenter insightful and thought provoking

@krissy Missy like i said.

so many lies. they were easy to lie to for so long because they were not in touch with reality. perhaps they had an english/cultural problem and that made it harder for them to pick up clues, but still they wanted to believe.

@Fred Garvin No she told them she was going to college so was told she could live with a friend on campus but in reality was living with her boyfriend and working (I cant remember where) her parents called the friend and asked for her and the friend in a groggy state said she wasn't there which is when her lie came crumbling down.

parents clearly delusional if they didnt know something wasnt right


Man, the second interrogator almost made ME want to confess to nonexistent crimes.

If he was a character in a game, he’d have a max charisma and persuasion stat

Blew my God damn mind cause me too, and I've never even been in trouble before 🤣🤣🤣☠🤦🏾♀

Just goes to show that the law system today isn’t far off from inquisition times.

@Yoav Goldberg I was taking my shit. Then what next?<br>If you were not involved, no master-class interrogator can evaporate the confidence out of you, right?

@Yoav Goldberg I was taking my shit. Then what next?
If you were not involved, no master-class interrogator can evaporate the confidence out of you, right?

@Eli Schaffer I believe it's what the kids are calling "A tent that is not real",

E.G.  "My boyfriend took me out bush to have nonexistent sex" .

Yo at which minute did the second interrogator started bro?

@Eli Schaffer yeah, billy goatguy, where were you on the night of May 29th.

yes exactly i had such an urge to confess to HER crimes for no reason