starts crying
Me: omg poor baby stop crying
Narrator: This is where the detective gets suspicious
Me: suspicious

*starts crying*
Me: omg poor baby stop crying
Narrator: This is where the detective gets suspicious
Me: suspicious

This was me when she said that it was for her, she wanted them to kill her.
I was like: omg poor thing, how awful she must feel.
Narrator: the detective knew she was lying
Me: of course

To me Jennifer lied well in first questioning so I guess I would not before detective. Although they have training and would see her face better.

@Cain the Shield thats actually the biggest problem on earth

@Seymour the truth is that some people look like they're fake crying when they actual cry, there's always that reasonable doubt but hindsight makes it much easier to identify

She puts on quite a performance. I had  no idea that there was so much science involved in debunking witness accounts .

@Seymour that is because you're watching the footage after you already know who she is and what she did.

Same here, i wanted to give her a hug for a short moment.

Don't be suspicious, don't be suspicious. - Mona-Lisa/Jean Ralphio

@Nila Wright I know!  Why are people rating this comment more/better?!?!?!

You call this monster a "poor baby"? Really?

@michelle leday that’s the fucky wucky part I don’t like. It’s just that she played it well enough in my eyes that I could feel for her but I was aware she was a cold calculated murderer and it made no sense to feel bad because it was fake.

It was a weird disconnect between my brain and my feelings if that makes any sense. I kind of tried to think “well maybe she did feel bad in that moment” However after rewatching there is no sympathy I feel this time around which makes it easier considering she’s an awful awful murderer that had the nerve to cry over her own decision to murder her parents. That’s why I said it was weird. This caused a weird disconnect when I usually just feel uncomfortable or annoyed or pity at people’s crying depending on the situation. ‘‘Twas really odd.

@Terra_the _Nightingale why do you have sympathy for a murderer

@Peaceful Dawn dang that's a bad thing bruh

@Peaceful Dawn They have to be good actors. Mirror neurons let most of us know she's faking.<br>Actors probably affect our mirror neurons because they are thinking about things that are actually making them cry.

@Peaceful Dawn They have to be good actors. Mirror neurons let most of us know she's faking.
Actors probably affect our mirror neurons because they are thinking about things that are actually making them cry.

~𝓙𝓮𝓼𝓼𝓲𝓬𝓪 𝓞𝓹𝓪𝓵·

Which is why lawyers literally are paid manipulators.

~𝓙𝓮𝓼𝓼𝓲𝓬𝓪 𝓞𝓹𝓪𝓵·

sus amogu amogus sus sus sus make it stop make it stop

@Peaceful Dawn it’s odd. A lot of the times I’ll feel uncomfortable when people cry irl around me but still pity, other times when I see someone fake crying whether irl or on the Internet it annoys the hell out of me, sometimes I just feel awful for the person but here she was actually able to make me feel just bad.

@Peaceful Dawn Sympathy, rather. I am doubt-ful that many can feel empathy for this woman.

police interrogated 4h along poor girl...

@Seymour Some of us can't help but feel empathy when people cry, even if we know they're faking it (eg actors in films)

Really? The crying looked instantly fake to me, like she was trying to look like she knew normal people looked when crying.

This has the same kinda power as:

People: genuinely enjoying food at a restaurant
Gordon Ramsy: steps in This food is disgusting
People: This food is disgusting

This has the same kinda power as:

People: *genuinely enjoying food at a restaurant*
Gordon Ramsy: *steps in* This food is disgusting
People: This food is disgusting

don't read my profile picture (unless you're dumb)


Out of Alyssa Bustamante and Jennifer Pan who is the most evil? I would say Bustamante, what do viewers think?


And honestly, FROM JUMP, <br>"I want a lawyer, since my parents can't accompany me due to the circumstances I'd be more comfortablewith someone I know on my side.  . Thats exactly what she should have said

And honestly, FROM JUMP,
"I want a lawyer, since my parents can't accompany me due to the circumstances I'd be more comfortablewith someone I know on my side.  . Thats exactly what she should have said


Right off the bat it's the parent's fault


Parents: You either dump this guy and come home or we will never speak to you again. <br>Jennifer: I’d rather go to prison.

Parents: You either dump this guy and come home or we will never speak to you again.
Jennifer: I’d rather go to prison.

So that's the option three she were taking about

So that's the option three she were taking about

@NozomuYume I think you misunderstood my comment. I did not say it in a general sense. Of course every individual has the freedom to do that. You're taking my comment out of the context of her life. People here are trying to argue that she did everything her parents said and that she felt she needed to live up to their expectations. In that context, where she felt trapped and if she needed to leave their home and make her own life, they were giving her that option, but instead, she chose to kill them. That is also very screwed up.

And again, I agree with your definition, but unfortunately that's not the reality for many children of immigrants. Many of us are expected to live at home, sometimes even until marriage. Whether you think that's right or wrong, thats the reality, but most people don't murder their parents. That's why I think it's wrong for people to simply put ALL of this down to her parents. Not saying they aren't to blame in part.

@sm2593 "They even gave her the option to leave".... do you realize how screwed up that sounds? Of course she had the option to leave, she's a free individual. You make it sound like she shouldn't even be able to leave without her parents permission. Giving her the option to leave is not generosity, that's the default option because she's a free human being and she didn't need anyone's permission to do that. The idea that the parents are being generous by "giving her the option to leave" is part of the whole system of mental abuse. Free human beings don't need to be given the option to leave -- that's only required for slaves.

@Trúc Nguyễn 👏👏👏 I couldnt agree with you more and tbh, as a south asian child of 2nd gen immigrants, I think westerners just don't understand growing up in a 'strict' household. Yes, it's difficult at times but the majority of us appreciate the sacrifices our parents have made and at a certain point some people just decide to take control of their own lives by leaving home if they can't live with their parents anymore. They even gave her the option to leave and she didn't. If she was being forced to stay at home I could maybe understand but she was literally given the option to leave and she didn't. She seems v entitled to me tbh.

@A piece of chocolate It was "drop your drug dealer boyfriend" and come home and try and get your high school diploma or we will cut off your inheritence. They were trying a desperate measure to get her back on track but maybe they weren't doing it with any love. And she ended up confessing that she'd tried to kill her dad once before but the fake hitman had run off with her $8500.

@Mrs_Pinky Thoughts She would get cut off from any inheritance if she ran away. Her drug dealer boyfriend probably wanted that inheritance too.

@Mrs_Pinky Thoughts She would get cut off from any inheritance if she ran away. Her drug dealer boyfriend probably wanted that inheritance too.

@serendipidus1 I don't know why so many people aren't seeing this is about greed. They had amassed quite a lot that she was going to lose if she never achieved at school. They were say go back to school get those grades and get that health care degree and job or forget the inheritance.

@A piece of chocolate She didn't even get a high school diploma so they said you can hang out with your drug dealer boyfriend and work at the pizza place and tutor piano and not get your inheritance or you can come home and get your high school diploma and then go for a health career. They both worked at a car parts factor though so fixating on a health degree instead of letting her choose the piano teaching path seems a bit iffy. They made their ways up to managers or senior positions at the car parts factory and had become rich though.

Se A Pretty much and many forget that she murdered her parents because she wanted their money.

Se A Pretty much and many forget that she murdered her parents because she wanted their money.

Griffen Kogarashi My late parents treated me the same way but I never hurt them. I took care of both of them in old age until they passed. I love my parents too much even though they hurt me deeply. Jennifer is just a selfish sociopath.

@Ktronprime It is sad to me that you believe Humans are inherently evil and malicious. In my opinion humans who do such things got there, somehow.
I didn't say she is a saint.
What i am saying is, if your child kills you, you as parent are at fault as well.
Yes there is a 0.001% chance she was born a psychopath and they "gave her everything she needed" and she still had them killed.
It is more likely though, that in her mind, she had no other choice, or at least, the way they raised her, she became cold and malicious, but wasn't born that way.

Argue all you want, but her parents can't be such amazing people as you try to make them out, if their daughter calls a hit man on them.
No child that has the slightest love in their heart for their parents would want such a thing. But then again, i believe she still loved her parents.
I think it was her drug dealer boyfriend whom most of the blame here should go to.
He didn't care about HER parents, and he was already a criminal. And definitely the one contacting the hit man.
She was foolish, in love and desperate. So she went along. But when you listen to the emergency call, it feels like she is in real panic and fear. Once it started, she wanted it to stop, i believe.
EDIT: Yes she lied in the interrogation room. Big deal, nobody wants to go to prison...and she was aware of the fact that she was guilty so yeah obviously she tried to hide her guilt and shame..

@Sam-pson Smith good try... But I never said her parents were great.. I will say they worked their asses off and provided her with everything thing she needed until "someone" had them killed.. Apparently only people who are "out of touch with reality" are the only ones who can see that I guess...Honestly if all it takes is a pretty face and a sad lie to win you over then you are way out of touch with reality bro and you might need to stay in the house.. 😂

@Trúc Nguyễn agreed.. Parents where "overly strict" but she had a lot of spending money, freedom to date and freedom to lie about schooling and college going on 9 yrs without her parents even attempting to investigate until the last minute.. But they where very strict though..😂

@D Bo im a bastard with a yes mom who tried to give me anything I wanted. That shit right there is damaging because its not realistic, I had to trial and error my way through the world to figure out how it works, whereas from my eyes it looks like her parents were trying to cut through the shit and give it to her straight. She might not of had perfect parents but the fact is what she did was wrong, and it was  something she did not her parents, they werent shut ins deep in the woods she knew what she did was wrong thats why she tried lying to the police. Your basically saying she wasn't in the right, but she wasn't wrong and that there buddy we will always disagree on. I'm not saying I would raise my kids like them because for one I think that type of living is above my pay grade for now, and I dont see me affording figureskating lessons to become an Olympic champion (I can only hope to bless my children with such opportunities), but mainly because I'm a compassionate person and would push them to do the best they can do but at some point they have to fend for themselves and i think that is the crossroads they reached

@hilary and I doubt that her boyfriend who is criminally plugged in enough to find hitmen is worried about meeting her parents and making an honest woman out of her but who knows he could be your run of the mill drug dealing knight of shiny armor

@hilary  @duckspasms  monitored her academics closely? She was a high-school dropout in college she faked papers they never talked to the school they thought she was being responsible and handling her shit. So what if they picked her job if she would've stuck through these gifts she could've been self-sufficient and did what she wanted to do when she could stand on her own 2 feet. We aren't going to pretend to know the conversation they had when it all came out into the light, maybe they could've handled it better and been more understanding, but in the same breath in the scales of right and wrong she was just way more in the wrong.

And behind door number 3... Ruin your life and other lives.

And behind door number 3... Ruin your life and other lives.

@hilary they didn't force her to stay i don't get what people don't understand about that. She was motivated out of fear and she knew her life was going in the gutter without their help, i assume there would've been a will thats why she pretended to be in their good graces vs getting disowned

@Sam-pson Smith <br>Goddamn right!!! Thank you for saying it!

@Sam-pson Smith
Goddamn right!!! Thank you for saying it!

I know little of Asian culture, other than they seem to put a lot of emphasis on money and making money and being seen by their peers as successful. Seems unfair to put such limitations and expectations on children. And why do other cultures move to the west and then admonish their children when they want to experience a western lifestyle? Seems almost discriminatory to levy such connotations onto children. "We're going to move to Canada, but under no circumstances will you date a Canadian boy!" (Whether mixed race or not.) Many cultures seem to hold these "values", and, I find it perplexing. Makes me feel as a Canadian, there is something wrong with me and that, we as Canadian's are flawed and not worthy to associate with people who moved here from another part of the world.
More to life than money, money, money.
Reminds me of my own parents who always worried about what the neighbours would think.
I don't know, I just don't get it. Stay where you're from if you don't want your culture or children tainted by western standards.

@Mrs_Pinky Thoughts she is an adult... it wouldn't even be running away 😅... it would be just living her life

@Mrs_Pinky Thoughts she is an adult... it wouldn't even be running away 😅... it would be just living her life

@D Bo whoa squeaky bike. First of all wanting your kid to do good and yelling at them about it doesnt warrant death. Second of all they weren't forcing her to stay they gave her another chance/choice, she could've just as easily kept doing what she was doing and be "happy". Lastly it was their house, so their rules, which is absurd im not going to let some 24 year old punk who had the stepping stones for a good life ruin themselves with bad company and stay at my place even if they are my kid and I'm 24 myself.

You do not understand emotional abuse.  she tried to kill herself and then was cutting.  with that level of abuse you an be homocidal and suicidal.

You do not understand emotional abuse.  she tried to kill herself and then was cutting.  with that level of abuse you an be homocidal and suicidal.

@Silk186 That's right, she wanted money and nice things but didn't want to put the work in. She was angry that her parents continuing to  wipe her ass at 24 was conditional.

@Silk186 That's right, she wanted money and nice things but didn't want to put the work in. She was angry that her parents continuing to  wipe her ass at 24 was conditional.

@Sam-pson Smith well thats not my style im more of the you did X so now you dont get Y. I dont like being physical in everday life and i actually avoid it. Im more of the non-violent type of person.And my parenting style reflects that so i choose the cause and effect. Carrot and the stick type of reward and punishment thing.
But hey im just saying with hontesty and sincerity what they told me. And the ones that told me honestly about what they did and the actions that they avoided because of it. And now as adults they still have fun but they learned when to stop. They said looking back from an adult mindset that they didnt understand as they were the trouble makers. But now they do. And they actually really like their parents. They just didnt know when to stop is the key thing. While at least two of my friends never really learned and im surprised they arent arrested yet.
Its a delicate matter certainly.

@c m Yeah i think i am done here. Have a nice life. And please stop using fear and violence as a teaching tool. It is out dated, doesn't work most of the time and leaves scars trauma and often times leads to more violence and fear.

@Sam-pson Smith that is just an expression thats very common and has been around for a very long time.
But the saying itself doesnt neccessary mean do violence onto others just because its tuesday or the its 50 degrees outside.
In fact i have alot of friends who will openly admit that they derserved the beating they got from their parents. Not because of abuse victim stuff but they would say and i qoute.
"yeah i was an asshole in highschool. I was always in the office."
" or one time i did x and y and my mom found out. She went off"
"I remember i would always get into fights with the teachers for smoking weed in thr bathrooms."
Anyway the point is that these real life people that i know will admit as adults that when they were younger they did stupid shit and because they did stupid shit that now as FULL grown adults they look back and are like
" when my dad found out i stole his car and got into an accident at 16, no license and they had to call him at work to come pick me up...yeah... i derserved that one for sure cant deny it."
Again it didnt happen every single day just because it was windy outside. Or he needed a beer from the fridge.
Its kinda like.
I said X you didnt do it X so now Y is no car for a month.
If you go out with your friends either be here by 10 pm the lastest and call me if anything.
You show up at 5 am. Now you cant hangout because i cant trust you to be responsible.
She/he did what? They took my keys?.....at the station?!? I'll be right there!

BUT!! I promise you. I promise you for real im not lying. Those people my friends. At least 90 percent of them were smart enough to admit that they definitely derserved the beatings they got. And the dumb ones are still doing stupid shit as adults and its amazing that they are still around.

@c m " Put the fear of god in them"
seriously....a lot of good stuff in your comment. but that part....seriously....please don't tell people you are a great parent and than say such things.
EDIT: Obviously what i said was theory.
So was everything YOU said. You know what the word theory means right? Also real life examples from your life don't mean anything. Since as i said. Everybody is different. Everyone need do be treated like the individual they are. They is "right" way to raise children. But there are definitely wrong ways.
And to put the fear of god into your children is abuse. Don't tell me it isn't.

@Sam-pson Smith i get what your saying. I really do. And i understand the logic to an extent. But too be fair what you are saying is theory and assumption. Im guessing you do not have a child at the moment.
Im not the greatest person in the world and i can admit that.
But raising a child is very different in practice.
If you try to be their friend they overstep their bounds and view you as equal to them and to them that gives the child more freedom or free reign over you than they should and it is hard to course correct when you try to put your foot down when they mess up. You lose your authority. Which is currently what seems to be happening to mine since her mother spends the most time with her and spoils her.
However if your too forceful and critical alot of different things can happen.
Inferiority complexs, self esteem issues, even subservience where they cant make decisions for themselves. And so on.
However being a parent isn't about being their friend or drill instructor its about knowing when to act, when not to act, and how much "force" to apply.
Expectations are neccessary because a dumb 12 year old kid is by default not mature enough or smart enough to understand anything. So by setting rules and boundaries you keep them on course.

Kid: i dont want to go to school today!
Parent: i dont care get your bag and lets go.
Kid: why?
Parent: because i said so!

Kids often dont have foresight and dont understand the far reaching implications of their actions now into their adult lives.

In short. Having rules and expectations and the punishment of failing to follow these rules isnt abuse. (Not talking about the video story) i honestly dont know what abuse is or means anymore because the word is thrown around so much.

Anyway when you have kids im sure you"ll understand.
Also if you think that most kids are smart enough to be self sufficient i want you to ask a child a few questions.
How do you go about buying a house? (If they say money its wrong. So many other things to consider)
What do they feel would be the best solution to handle Americas international image concerning involvement with other countries and the inter-connected geo-political landscape and the globally inter-connected economic problems facing the world today?
Ask a few questions and see what happens.

Anyway last piece of advice.
If love dont work; if patience dont work, if respect dont work and if understanding dont work theres only one thing to do. Put the fear of god in them. (Take that last part with a grain of salt. That doesnt mean break their legs. It means take off the kid gloves and stand your ground. Once they know they cant mess with you they will be a bit more compliant. Maybe sneakier for sure when your not there. But in front of you they know whats up and wont pull that behavior in front of you like they would their friends.)

@c m There is no simple answer or solution to raising a child. "the .....approach" or "technique" doesn't exist.
If you think so you are heading in the wrong direction. You have to understand that your child is a human being, an individual. With desires emotion etc.
Of course as a parent it is your duty to guide your children and provide a positive role model.
One of the best tips i can give you which applies to EVERY child out there.
Is "Do, don't say."
If you want your children to be active and healthy, kind, loving, compassionate and open minded, then you have to be those things.
Your child will learn from what you are doing, not what you are saying.
If you tell your child not to lie, but your child can see you lying all the time, it will learn that lying is acceptable.  You just deny it.
If your child doesn't want to be the way you wish your child would be, all i can tell you is that you have to learn how to accept your child the way it is.
And the worst thing you can do to your child is to put your Love on certain expectations. If your child thinks that you love it less, because it, for example, doesn't perform well at school, you are putting a pressure on your child which can leave life long scars. And it teaches your child to evaluate someones worth based on their success. But maybe you think that is how it is supposed to be. Some people do.

In this specific case i don't think it was the Parents who pushed the Daughter to violence. I think they simply created a feeling of being trapped in her. All her life.
Now she fell in love with a low life criminal who give her a form of love which makes her feel accepted without all the pressure.
Her parents then took that love away from her. Even though she was 20 in her mind she was not an adult.
Personally i believe that it was her drug dealer boyfriend which convinced her to do that. It was him who hired the people and it was most likely him who told her that everything would be over quickly and painless. Of course i can only assume those things. We will never know the real details of what was going on.
All i am saying is, if your child feels cornered to the point were it thinks your death is the only solution. You as a parent are to blame just as much as the child.
You can not tell me that she would have done that if she could have seen a different way in her head.
But then again, here i would put most of the blame on the drug dealer boyfriend which definitely was the one who hired the hit men.

@Sam-pson Smithim really confused? So what would you do/are doing as a parent? I didnt mean it to sound malicious but im just genuinely curious.
Do you take the hands off approach? The best friend approach?
Carrot and stick?
What?
I actually have a child thats going to be 6 and lets just say her mother is kinda making some questionable decisions in her development.
But let me get your take on it.
Just tell me a story of what you do with your kids. Just please try not to be vague about it. Just be honest.

@serendipidus1 "real abuse" abuse doesn't depend on how awful YOU think something is. Abuse comes in ALL shapes and forms.
But you are right. "we really don't know anything about the parents".
What we DO know, is that they managed to push their own daughter to a point were she thought having her boyfriend hire hit man to kill her parents, is a good idea.
(First of all i think it was HIS idea anyway, not hers)
But if your Child is ready to kill you, you as a parent screwed up, or do you disagree?
We don't know how bad it was for her, but we know what it ended up as.
If you still think her parents are loving parents who did nothing wrong i feel sorry for you and more so for your children.
EDIT: If your child thinks killing you is the only way out for some reason, you are a bad parent. Period.

reading some of these comments here i sincerely hope you don't have children.
It is usually people who don't have children of their own, who think raising a human being is like training a dog. "I gave him all the food and shelter and he still bit me? What a monster...."
Couldn't be your fault could it.
If your child gets to the point were it honestly considerers having you killed. You can't tell me that has nothing to do with you as a parent.
0.001% chance they are psychopaths born that way.
99.999% it was trauma and abuse leading up to that point. But sure, they were great parents giving her everything she could wish for and she is the devil incarnate....give me brake.
All of those parents who act like their children ow them obedience are disgusting. You are supposed to guide teach and lead them. Not own control and enslave your children.

This kinda reminds me of something. I think it went like this if i remember correctly.
"When childred are thought to devalue others, they can do it anyone, including their parents."
It doesnt matter what the reason was its no excuse.
If she didnt want to stat worh them she should have just put the money she was getting to the side saved it up and then used it to find a place for herself and her "boyfriend" im sure that money could have maybe got her someplace to stay or rent something small.
She had a choice and she chose neither in a way.
Cause and effect. Actions and consequences. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.
The truth is she just couldnt cut it. And shes going to have to live with that for the rest of her life.

@A piece of chocolate why should your parents give you the benefit of the doubt if you create a false image in their eyes and build up insane expectations for yourself. The parents had no reason to put trust in her. If you are willing to go that far to fool them then have the balls to cut ties and live by yourself. There was nothing unreasonable in their deal.

@serendipidus1 yes. This. Yes! I take it you have what some circles might call...a brain? Lol keep on crushing it.

@serendipidus1 yes. This. Yes! I take it you have what some circles might call...a brain? Lol keep on crushing it.

@Bat Eater Both spellings evoke bold strategies based mostly on optimism rather than evidence, so no harm done.

@Bat Eater Both spellings evoke bold strategies based mostly on optimism rather than evidence, so no harm done.

@Alex Howard Revenge? You heard her, Daddy loved his car. They had the money for holidays, 2 nice cars and to fully fund her education. She didn't like the threat of being cut off and wanted their assets.

@Alex Howard Revenge? You heard her, Daddy loved his car. They had the money for holidays, 2 nice cars and to fully fund her education. She didn't like the threat of being cut off and wanted their assets.

@Bat Eater your one size fits all is a phallacy designed to help you better organize and categorize this incident and people in general. It's the kind of thinking that led to this incident over years of trauma and neglect. Again, she should have walked away and practiced self accountability. There is no excuse for what she did unless her own life was in imminent danger.

serendipidus1 yea I’m confused did she expect their support after they were dead?

serendipidus1 yea I’m confused did she expect their support after they were dead?

This is what happens when you have parents that measure you by one metric alone, by how much you achieve, almost like a shoe size, rather than try to understand you and offer support. Having said that she should have just said see you, and disappeared from their lives.

@Lisa Smith My sisters friend was abused by the legal system as well. Even though he was only a witness. And it was about drugs not murder.
They still held him almost 24 hours and tried every strategy they could to make him look like he was involved.
It was a young officer who had his eyes on a promotion, so he was basically just a blood hound looking for as many convictions as he can.
Not all of those people are monsters, but they are surely not your friends and not on your side.

@serendipidus1 This girl was intimidated by her parents. There was no love, only authority. I would gather by your language and harsh statement regarding your children, you are the same type of parent. I pity your children.

@serendipidus1 This girl was intimidated by her parents. There was no love, only authority. I would gather by your language and harsh statement regarding your children, you are the same type of parent. I pity your children.

@A piece of chocolate i agree, her parents were abusive. I feel sorry for her. The two worst things that happened to her in this life are her parents and her boyfriend. who definitely had his influence in this decision.

@A piece of chocolate i agree, her parents were abusive. I feel sorry for her. The two worst things that happened to her in this life are her parents and her boyfriend. who definitely had his influence in this decision.

@Mia Kay I have parents like that and I rebelled. They used to hit me with pieces of wood and brooms. It's the Asian style lol. I'm not crazy, sorta...

@Mia Kay I have parents like that and I rebelled. They used to hit me with pieces of wood and brooms. It's the Asian style lol. I'm not crazy, sorta...

@A piece of chocolate

Not really ridiculous..... you've said it yourself : she is 24!!! What's wrong with being disowned and be independent and taking care your own future??

While I wasn't being disowned, I've been 100% independent and no longer live with my parents since I was 19. And by 24 like her age I already owned(bought) my own house without a penny of help from my parents.

@A piece of chocolate sounds like my parents

@A piece of chocolate sounds like my parents

Griffen Kogarashi her parents requesting her to follow the rules under their house is ridiculous? I mean sure, but she also had the option to leave and do as she wished lmao

Griffen Kogarashi her parents requesting her to follow the rules under their house is ridiculous? I mean sure, but she also had the option to leave and do as she wished lmao

Are people forgetting this came after she was lying? She could've ran away.

Are people forgetting this came after she was lying? She could've ran away.

@A piece of chocolate they literally gave her the chance to either live her life the way she wanted or live with them in their house under their rules which would have had the better chance of giving her a self sufficient life

@gjaeigjiajeg it was just option B but with 1st-degree murder added

@gjaeigjiajeg it was just option B but with 1st-degree murder added


She's innocent  cops always mess with people


Parents all they should want is the kids to be happy and just do her best maybe she could meet somebody else but so much pressure on a kid can make them snap


After this SHE CAN NEVER EVER BE TRUSTED FOR ANYTHING!!!


"If you're telling the truth, you have absolutely nothing to fear."<br>Meanwhile every falsely convicted person in prison

"If you're telling the truth, you have absolutely nothing to fear."
Meanwhile every falsely convicted person in prison

@Cymru She’s manipulating him to show her human touch to possibly feel sorry for her then?

@Zacky VT yep but it’s kind of risky if the situation is problematic

@NACHOS RULE!  can the police force you to talk to them? what do you do if that happens?

@SUGAandtea as long as she has a JD yeah

@SUGAandtea as long as she has a JD yeah

Shes not innocent in all this so what the f*ck are yall talking about?

I haven’t done anything ever but if they put me in a room some how I would be guilty because they know how to play people.  I was watching this thinking I’m a highly emotional person 24/7 and I have a horrible memory, and I can ramble because I’m add.  I would be found guilty of something that I didn’t do.

Does anybody know the original source of Jennifer Pan's skating video?

@hodan ali US as well, but you are not wrong, it is not the best option

Indeed, its asking for trouble if you start to talk, they know every trick in the book especialy if it goes on for hours its a matter of time before they make you say something wrong or contradicting.

@Adam Ferguson eww, that was so powerful and original, you must be a top flight criminal of the world. Man you are so tough. Everyone vote to Ferguson's commands, very intimidating, muy macho. 💣💥💥

Always ask for an attorney. Who cares if it "makes you look guilty". Baloney. It's smart.

@delilah the state will appoint you a lawyer. the problem is it doesn't guarantee that they'll be a super good lawyer.

@Leticia Vujicic because she likes and she's just a female anyway so it didn't matter

@Dave Hagstrom who is to decide what is cynical? You?

@Dave Hagstrom who is to decide what is cynical? You?

It is estimated that between 1%-3% of executed criminals in the US are innocent

@annagitana1 actually that's not true, happened to me with my brother, I don't talk to the police and the neighborhood dealt with it. You might now what you would or wouldn't do but you can't really tell another person what they would or wouldn't do because some people just don't care and will handle things in their own which either way isn't a bad thing I guess but I'd rather get ahold of the person than let the police take him to jail. You see, if you know your neighborhood is gonna take care of it then there's no reason to talk to anybody. Police aren't bad it's just sometimes street justice is a better justice and besides it saves tax payers money

@TheLakers, please. If you’re innocent and your beloved family member was killed or went missing, you’d subject yourself to anything, including interrogation. You wouldn’t be thinking about your own ass. You’d be thinking about justice. Please.

@cushseth yep, cops can just like criminals can remain silent

That's a huge trap thinking that just because you are innocent you won't be found guilty lol... cops can easily, and will easily mishear your words and write down the interview inccorectly, DA's will read that secondhand, misconstrue it even further.. next thing you know you're perfectly innocent evening of drinking alone turns into a double murder charge because you didn't have an alibi.

This is why you should NEVER EVER talk to the police. Not because they're out to frame you, but because statements to the police can be understood and recorded and entered as evidence in a less than accurate way. And then you're in prison because you opened your mouth. NEVER talk to the police without a lawyer. Never EVER. Even if you KNOW you're innocent.

She's totally fucking up here. Her testimony is full of speculation, "I guess", "Probably", "I think".

@Corey Zaragoza
Dude... That comment is literally directly south of this one...

@Corey Zaragoza
Dude... That comment is *_literally_*_ directly_ *south* of _this one..._

Her parents wanted her to get a degree... She got it, 1st Degree Murder.

my law studies teacher told me that every single one of his cop friends and lawyer friends told him NEVER to talk to a cop without ur lawyer. they’re not your friend at all, they’re allowed to lie to you so mostly everything they say about you being protected is bs

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@Jeffrey Scott that's sad. So much for "zealous advocacy". I guess that's why ambulance chasing is not a ground for disbarment there. You guys need ambulance chasers to fill the gaps.

@delilah isn't public defenders free? Or is it only available to indigents? Can anyone clarify this?

You’d be surprised how easy it is to be swayed by police officers who “know” your guilty and pressure you repeat your story of actual innocence over and over and over and over again.

Read the book: ‘Mistakes Were Made But Not By Me’ — “Backed by years of research, Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me) offers a fascinating explanation of self-justification—how it works, the damage it can cause, and how we can overcome it. This updated edition features new examples and concludes with an extended discussion of how we can live with dissonance, learn from it, and perhaps, eventually, forgive ourselves.”

This may also be because that prison is now the new private "free labor" facility. They dont care if you're innocent or guilty, so long as you dont cause too much a ruckus and will work or else they'll try to take you.

Ever wondered where the community service went for something as minor as smuggling a small chip bag outside a store yet a serial kill can be let go without so much as a slap on the wrist?

@delilah I guess you missed that part of Miranda

@delilah I guess you missed that part of Miranda

@hodan ali sorry i didn’t know that! but yes ur right, it always might not be the best option unless it’s a guaranteed one

Not true! There are more cases out there where people are accused of being guilty and in reality they are proven not guilty after so many years. So, just by telling truth doesn't automatically make you innocent. You have to fight for your innocence.

@delilah might not be the best option but in Canada you have a right for a free lawyer

@randomer1432 ofc, i agree, but some people couldn’t afford a lawyer or the lawyer wasn’t able to win the case

@randomer1432 so true. You can still be innocent . But always need a lawyer to have your back


A great moral lesson for future parents. Over controlling/authoritarian parenting is no formula in bringing up a stable child.


How about explaining what duty counsel is to her?


Never compare your child with others everyone is special..... Otherwise children can take steps like this..... Parents should respect feeling of their children


Damn, she really did make it complicated for herself. She could have just said that she saw 3 guys downstairs and hid in the cupboard, instead she makes this crazy story about the lights, his wishwashing dreadlocks and being tied up to a banister lol glad she didn't play it out clean though

@teo cant sleep yea but being somewhere else just complicates it. You need alibies, you have to explain where u were etc, and all that can be checked by security cameras etc. Being at home hiding somewhere is easier

@Goat K yea but she could have just said that she had left her phone in the bathroom and was to afraid to go get it until they were leaving

Or wait till everyone has left, run out the back door and ask a neighbour to call the police. That call will be analysed to hell, so get someone else to make it.

@Martin Edmondson yea most liars think detail is important to seem truthful

I think the rationale behind doing what she did was to have a way of showing police that she was clearly a victim in this too, and thus couldn't be responsible.  Also, if she's just "hiding" and the intruders never notice her, then there's no reason why she wouldn't be able to call the police during the time the intruders are supposedly demanding to know where the money is and ransacking the house.  Being noticed by the intruders and tied up means she has an excuse as to why she couldn't call until after the intruders are gone and have already shot her parents.

I think part of her as a liar thinks that an overly detailed explanation is more believable than a vague one.

@Michael Chimenti If you're in the stupid situation she put herself in, I think being at a friend's house or even at her dealer boyfriend's house is still less suspicious than escaping unscathed from the crime scene when her two folks were clearly being executed in cold blood. But hey, maybe that's just me.

@teo cant sleep think about it. Strict household, find out about the situation she was in...what was she doing out the night her parents were killed when she was always home?

So true. A simple explanation would have stopped her from tying herself up in knots (no pun intended) and forgetting the false details

Guilty people like to make up a huge grand story to make it more believable

hahah right?! i was just thinking she couldve said she hid and they never knew she was there and then she called 911 like under her bed or something lol


One elephant in the room, & the obvious trigger / root cause - her parents abuse.


Her mother died without knowing it was her daughter who killed her


Yeah what she did is fuckd up but I cant shake the though of how the parents are the true villains ...


In any interrogation in the UK, the response to any question is ‘no comment’


If her knee wasn't injured, she'd be a star and her parents would talk about how great their education was.

@S Y   Yes. Of course, it could also be her low self-esteem talking too. But I don't know.

@S Y   Yes. Of course, it could also be her low self-esteem talking too. But I don't know.

@ZasuPitts I see. Then it is the narrator giving people the wrong impression about Jennifer's skating level.  Jennifer herself apparently said she was a middle-of-the-pack skater - that's not good enough to get chosen by Canada for the Olympics.

@S Y  AGAIN. I'm just going by the information that the narrator provided. That's what he said. That she was set to compete in the Winter Olympics. He never said she was "brilliant" or a "superstar". That's all he said. I really don't care enough about this to go into some federal case. I'm going by the information that was provided in the video. As I've said, you believe what you want to believe.

@ZasuPitts Sorry, I don't mean to offend you. I didn't watch all of the video so I wasn't aware that the claim was made in the video. BUT I have read plenty of different articles about this case, including an article written by a former schoolmate of Jennifer's, Karen Ho. The articles that I read mentioned Jennifer gave up skating due to a knee injury, but I don't recall any stating exactly when that happened. And though there were broad statements that Jennifer(or in other articles, Jennifer's parents) hoped that she would one day compete in the Olympics. But again, none of the articles mentioned hard facts like how many competitions she was in, what level, how big the competition, and what her placings were. Nor were there any quotes from anyone with knowledge in the sport (such as coaches, judges, other well-known skaters) saying that Jennifer had national/Olympic medal level potential. I just think it's a big leap of logic for people to be saying thar Jennifer was a future superstar whose career was cut short. Maybe Jennifer was quite good - but not national top 10 or 20 level. There are tons of young ice skaters in Canada. The competition is very tough. I'm sure Jennifer was good - but brilliant? A star of tomorrow??
Anyway other commenters have stated that Jennifer herself said that she was only mediocre, and kind of middle of the pack.
Karen Ho's article does mention that  "Jennifer’s friendly, confident persona was a façade, beneath which she was tormented by feelings of inadequacy, self-doubt and shame. When she failed to win first place at skating competitions, she tried to hide her devastation from her parents, not wanting to add worry to their disappointment."

@S Y  ALL you asked me is where I got my information from. You seemed to believe all of the other information in this video. But I guess you don't want to believe that piece of information the narrator provided. Believe what you want.

Sorry but could you explain what you mean by that? About Chinese doctors? You mean of Chinese descent? Or doctors who grew up and trained as doctors in China itself?

she only got 25 years in prison disgusting.  minimum sentence should be 88 years.

she only got 25 years in prison disgusting.  minimum sentence should be 88 years.

Remember that the next time you have a Chinese doctor .. hey you are loved unconditionally by all your patients even if your parents do not care one whit about you.

@MarsRising Jennifer seems kind of pessimistic and defeatist, down on herself. She was probably a better skater than she thought she was. But she wasn't this fantastic future Canadian star either. But some people here insist she was a lock-in for an Olympic spot.
But Jennifer wasn't lazy. She practiced a great deal - both piano and skating, and she did other activities such as the martial art wushu, in high school.
And when she pretended to be going to university, she actually went to the library and took notes, filling up books which she showed her parents. She also had two part-time jobs. One was in a pizza place. And she taught piano classes. I think I read that she really just wanted to be a piano teacher, not work in the medical field (her parents wanted that).

She said she wasn't that good at ice skating and didn't like competing. I don't think she would have been successful with ice skating even if she didn't hurt her knee. She was just a lazy kid who wanted her parents money and freedom to be with the drug dealer. She didn't want them to cut her off, so she planned to have them murdered.

@Judith Gannon Others here have stated that Jennifer was mediocre as a skater. So I'm not the only one who has that impression. Apparently she did win awards - for piano. I'm not too clear what or when but it is mentioned in an article written by Karen Ho, a former schoolmate (different year) of Jennifer's, who knew her.
The article link is here
https://torontolife.com/city/crime/jennifer-pan-revenge/

@Judith Gannon Evidence is not made up. I will paste an excerpt from an article below, written by Karen Ho, former schoolmate.

"I discovered later that Jennifer’s friendly, confident persona was a façade, beneath which she was tormented by feelings of inadequacy, self-doubt and shame. When she failed to win first place at skating competitions, she tried to hide her devastation from her parents, not wanting to add worry to their disappointment."

@Judith Gannon It doesn't bother me if she had talent. What bothers me is people turning this into a "she could have won gold at the Olympics if only her knee wasn't injured" type of story. Which I don't think it was. Why can't people just stick to facts and not make this a Lifetime Channel melodrama.
 In fact I think it's kind of like all the other high hopes and expectations placed on Jennifer to be extraordinary, a winner, with top grades and a "star skater" too. And that's a lot of expectation for a young person to live up to.
People here claiming that Jennifer was a "superstar" (one commenters words) and "in the running for Olympic team (nobody is saying medals but her parents might have expected medals if she made the Olympic team)" type statements - there isn't much concrete basis for that.
On the contrary, there is an article written by Jennifer's schoolmate, who knew her, would be extremely disappointed when she "failed to place first" in competitions.
We aren't given the exact level and name of these competitions so they could be very local - and not placing 1st in a local area skating competition doesn't exactly scream "top NATIONAL,Olympic level skater."  On the other hand, perhaps Jennifer placed 3rd or 4th, at larger regional comps. It's not made clear in various articles. So I think people don't have any strong basis tp claim some Olympic level, top Canadian skater career was cut short by injury.

 I feel sorry for Jennifer that her parents expected her to be 1st and tops in everything, including skating. That's a burden that children shouldn't have to bear. Let them develop at the pace they want to, doing what they enjoy;  not how others expect them to be.

She wouldn’t be though.. she stated she was “petrified of the competition” and she was in the middle, an average skater.

Except she said she was in the middle during competitions and didnt enjoy competitions. More likely she would have ended up a skating coach at best if she stuck with skating as a career and that would not have been good enough for her parents.

@ZasuPitts But what is there to corroborate these claims? Just because someone says that in the video, doesn't make it correct.<br>I can link you to an article written by someone who knew Jennifer and went to her school. In the article she mentions Jennifer failing to get 1st place in competitions (who knows what level but no mention is made of any specific competitions and the writer never said anything about Jennifer being some future star.

@ZasuPitts But what is there to corroborate these claims? Just because someone says that in the video, doesn't make it correct.
I can link you to an article written by someone who knew Jennifer and went to her school. In the article she mentions Jennifer failing to get 1st place in competitions (who knows what level but no mention is made of any specific competitions and the writer never said anything about Jennifer being some future star.

@S Y  Nope. It wasn't "hopes", it wasn't "wishes", it wasn't "expected" or "anticipated". They said she was set to compete for the Winter Olympics. In the video. All anybody has to do is pay attention and listen.

@S Y  They mention this in the beginning of the video.

@S Y  They mention this in the beginning of the video.

@S Y  It was stated in the video. And she became injured when she was about 14 years old.

@S Y  It was stated in the video. And she became injured when she was about 14 years old.

Hmm, SY it really bothers you that she had exceptional skating talent. Lots of words arguimg against it, with evidence you make up. Probably they didn't mention many details about the skating career because this is a different narrative.

@Mike Wassef Can you provide a link to an article? Because I agree, there's no real support to this "skating star on the rise" idea about Jennifer. Certainly not superstar!
I got the impression that she was a competent skater but that it was a case of overly optimistic expectations, rather like stage parents thinking their child will be as big as Macaulay Culkin was when all their child had gotten were a few small commercials.
Perhaps the parents bragged that Jennifer would one day be an Olympic medallist but... We all know braggers who aren't anywhere near what they claim to be.

Here is an excerpt from an article written by Karen Ho, a woman who knew Jennifer Pan and attended the same high school.
" I discovered later that Jennifer’s friendly, confident persona was a façade, beneath which she was tormented by feelings of inadequacy, self-doubt and shame. When she failed to win first place at skating competitions, she tried to hide her devastation from her parents, not wanting to add worry to their disappointment."

It doesn't say what those skating competitions were, what level, but the wording makes it sound like it happened more than once - so ahe didn't win first place on at least a few occasions. That doesn't mean she didn't come 3rd and still have potential, but it still doesn't support any idea that Jennifer was this future skating wunderkind. It really doesn't give any good indication of Jennifer's actual level. She might have just been regionally good but nationally mediocre.

@ZasuPitts There's a reference to PIANO awards that Jennifer won, in an article written by a former schoolmate of Jennifer's. But that article doesn't mention any skating awards or anything. It onlt says Jennifer "hoped to compete at the national level, with her sights set on the 2010 Olympics". That is all that it says. Note the word is "hoped." There's nothing about any previous medals or placings in regional or other competitions. There's nothing to get a solid measure of Jennifer's potential. Only Jennifer's "hopes."

@ZasuPitts All that I have read is that she skated in HOPES of one day, ONE DAY, competing in the Olympics. Nowhere have I read anything that backs up that Jennifer was that great. There is no mention of any specific competitions and her placing, of any specific awards or of any awards or medals, and no statements from any coaches or experts claiming that Jennifer was Olympic level material. All I have read is that her parents or Jennifer HOPED she would be an Olympic skater. Some people have dreams greater than actual reality.

@ZasuPitts Where was this stated? How could that be possible when her knee injury happened when she was quite young? I'm not sure exactly when as so many reports are kind of vague about this, but it seemed to be earlier on in her life.

@bananian  I don't believe that to be true at all. I think there's more good people than you realize. I know that <b>I</b> could never take part in ANY evil act what so ever.

@bananian  I don't believe that to be true at all. I think there's more good people than you realize. I know that *I* could never take part in ANY evil act what so ever.

@S Y  It was mentioned that she was in the running for competing in the Winter Olympics.

@S Y  It was mentioned that she was in the running for competing in the Winter Olympics.

@Melvin Doo I think most of us are capable of evil when given the circumstances.

@Melvin Doo I think most of us are capable of evil when given the circumstances.

She herself said she was an average skater, middle of the pack...so it’s a big leap to assume she would’ve been a star.

Where does this idea of Jennifer being this great, potential "star" skater, as a CHILD (we've all seen child/teen athletes crash and burn or simply, just not develop much) come from?
Who says she'd have grown up to be a top skater in Canada. In a number of articles, her skating is mentioned, and words like talented are used -  but she was a young girl, maybe not a teen yet, and there's no real support to the idea that Jennifer had "star" potential as a skater. I think it was just her, or her parents HOPES. That's it, their big ambitions. Doesn't equal reality.
There's no mention of famous coaches interested in her, no mention of any skating competitions or awards.
Maybe Jennifer was really - just a good-for-her-age skater, in Markham or Ontario. That's just one part of Canada. Nothing that great on a national level. And even if she was, she might not have grown up to be great. And injuries can happen anytime. She could have been injured a year later, 2yrs later or 5 yrs later. Ice skating is a high injury risk sport.

@Melvin Doo it shouldn't be called the butterfly effect it should be called the hitler effect lmao

@Melvin Doo it shouldn't be called the butterfly effect it should be called the hitler effect lmao

Exactly, and thousands of parents would have replicated this abuse.

Exactly, and thousands of parents would have replicated this abuse.

@Potted Cactus We're in disagreement then. lol

@Potted Cactus We're in disagreement then. lol

@Piere Hitler was also a vegetarian, possibly vegan...maybe we need to watch them more closely now :)

@Stuck In The Past Productions I know that but the show is still good and in my opinion better than the book.

@Potted Cactus Just read the book.  The show really isn't faithful to the source material.

@Potted Cactus Just read the book.  The show really isn't faithful to the source material.

@John D i feel like if she hadnt a knee injury she would be on the right path of her life

@John D i feel like if she hadnt a knee injury she would be on the right path of her life

well rip the butterfly effect i think she needed it LMAO

well rip the butterfly effect i think she needed it LMAO

@Will Not really, I hadn't heard of her before this vid, and she's rotting in prison now. Outside of this case, she'll be forgotten as just another twisted criminal.

Potted Cactus - Thanks, I’ll check it out 🤗

Potted Cactus - Thanks, I’ll check it out 🤗

@Holly the "Man in the High Castle" series on Amazon Prime kinda ties in with the whole "what if" thing, if you're interested.

Ever seen the movies “Mr. Destiny” or “Sliding Doors”?  They both deal w whether our choices determine our destiny.

LAHIVE BRUUUUUH!! That’s so fucking true! I nearly forgot about that! 👏 for your perfect reference

LAHIVE BRUUUUUH!! That’s so fucking true! I nearly forgot about that! 👏 for your perfect reference

@Melvin Doo Life is full of "what if's" I guess. What if Hitler wasn't denied a place at art college and persued a career in landscape painting..

And isn’t it nuts to realize that if she was a star ice skater in another timeline, we would have no idea that she would have been willing to commit such a travesty?


45:30 O my Gawd Bill Gates conducted the interview.


Felicidades, es un buen ejemplo.
250 sentadillas son unos HOTLOVE.Uno muchas y un buen ejercicio.
5:25 Se deja ver que hay muy buenos resultados 😍👍

Saludos desde la Cd.. de world 🌹😉💖
los mortales abian apreciado tan hermosa mujer.


It’s absurd that this woman will be out free in 10 years. She will be young enough to even have children!  After she murdered 2 people, well almost 2, her parents!  Wow!  Unbelievable but true!!


she’s acting like she’s trying to pass an exam she didn’t study for

@Sangita Sarmin Katun it's a good hiding spot though, how many people would think to check a refrigerator for money

i don have any idea what to call my account

She’s failed every exam so far including school 🤷♂😂

"If you can't impress them with your knowledge, baffle them with your bullshit."

@Sangita Sarmin Katun I'm sure there are probably a few scumbags watching these videos for tips, but YSK that putting valuable but infrequently used jewelry In butcher paper or a tupperware and hiding it in the fridge or freezer is a known thing.

wait no she’s acting like when i tell my teacher when i forgot my homework at home even though i didn’t do it/ so they will let me bring it later haha

Yeah, considering that she apparently didn't pass os most of the exams she took too

I didn’t think her fake emotions were that bad. The contradictions though..  those buried her

Not related to the vid but I got luck by passing the exam and get good grades with 5 mins review before taking it lol cramming is my thing lol

Well she'd had a lot of practice doing that in high school, apparently

@ann I’ve always had D’s in school so barely passing

up until 7th grade i never studied for tests and i had straight a's

oh right, i never learned to study, so now im kinda fucked :3

@Sangita Sarmin Katun i was thinking about that

Man, those sketch artists really didn't like her

lol that' s literally why this whole thing happened in the first place

Shes acting like me when I try to convince my teachers I'm sorry for 'losing' my assignments. <br>👉👈👐👌👇👏🖐🖕

Shes acting like me when I try to convince my teachers I'm sorry for 'losing' my assignments.
👉👈👐👌👇👏🖐🖕

@Sangita Sarmin Katun  I always keep my wallet right next to the eggs on the 2nd shelf

@Sophia Troanska no she seriously said it <br>Lol

@Sophia Troanska no she seriously said it
Lol

@Sangita Sarmin Katun no they used the fridge light. They didn’t look into the actual fridge for the purse


she couldve made up another story other than getting tied up..


Right. U claimed that u were tied up after they took the money and then they proceed to take ur parents and then u heard POPs while you were tied up. How did u phone 911, if you were tied up? You can't be telling me that the suspects proceed to untied you after they did their business. Cause then what was the point of having you tied up.


She was forced into a confession  mentality


The dad's cry on the phone is still haunting to know what state he is in while he pleads for help

@em. touch grass and get some life experience little'un

@Flicks you’re late, what r u still going for

@em. Yeah maybe you need to unplug your internet if you're this triggered 👋

@em. I have not tried to scare anyone?😂 It's okay you're sensitive to gore, but you can't try and project that ignorance when you're watching a true crime video

@Flicks you just spew words and hope it sticks you ain’t scarin nobody get tf outta he

@Ray Kappo You should watch some of the JCS videos on their Patreon, it's only £1/ month now and totally worth it(maybe not if you're squeamish,but why do you watch true crime in the first place?). He does one on the psychology of serious injuries in war, mostly US in the middle East and I.E.D & RPG injuries, it's called "The Hidden Perspective" in two parts

@em. Hope you can join reality someday brother

@Chouko Yes, that's exactly how it happened for me 💀 I've seen someone getting their head sawed off with a machete, etc.

@Flicks I also get highly morbidly curious but hey, if we didn’t have the morbidly curious we’d never have surgeons and morticians! 😁

Was that dispatcher a lil snippy or was it just me lol I know she has to calm them down to get info but she sounded straight annoyed

@ksc I can still remember every single gore video i've seen. Cartel shit, Isis stuff, i even got to see 3 guys 1 hammer while eating pepperoni pizza. It leaves a lasting impact and I would highly advise letting kids even remotely think about watching those videos.

@ksc It might, there was so much shock shit that I would look up at 12-15 years old. You could find pretty much anything you wanted, gore wise.

@Ray Kappo I was an icu rn for a few years. I saw some really crazy shit. It damaged me.

@Flicks "people shot in the face and their face is literally hanging off, they are barely gasping..." the failed shotgun-suicide in the driver seat of a blue car? That one was gnarly

@JackAssSquirrel  I was in a bad paragliding accident 20 years ago and I think about it all the time even tho I don't have long lasting injuries. Luckily it's the only really traumatic thing that has happened to me.

@ksc it's very easy to forget these things. our brain naturally suppresses traumatic images. you might have experienced it yourself, perhaps an old memory of your childhood where something very awkward happened and you never think of it until it randomly pops up in your head. same principle.

@Ray Kappo sometimes its the kinda thing where its just so horrible you just.. cant stop watching

@Ray Kappo people who watch liveleak think they're edgy/quirky basically

After getting shot in face and not being dead or even unconscious
...
Just imagine the pain

@Your trash talking bro what's usually in the comments?

@Flicks bro people like you need to have your internet shut down permanently what the hell is wrong with you?

@ksc You never unsee it you see it forever but luckily it is not that bad you learn to forget about it during the day

@ksc Nope, but I try to forget about it lol

@ksc Nope, but I try to forget about it lol

That was definitely unexpected and shocking!

That was definitely unexpected and shocking!

@Ray Kappo Curiosity, I've fell down the gore rabbit hole myself and the shit I saw was nuts. Also, never scroll down to a bestgore or any gore website comment section💀

@Ray Kappo lmao worry about yourself brother

@Ray Kappo lmao worry about yourself brother

@Wallace J. Mongers As have I (registered nurse!) Seen some horrendous shite but I'm not sure I'd actively seek more out but each to their own. If we were all the same I guess it'd be boring.....

@Ray Kappo Morbid curiosity plain and simple. I have seen my fair share of horrible stuff, both willingly and unwillingly. But whenever it was willingly, it was because of curiosity

@Bajjajajbajjjajaj Idk it was a pretty interesting observation

@Chouko Why anyone would want to know is beyond me.....but....I think rabbit holes and YouTube go hand in hand!

@Ray Kappo Ive never watched that shit, could never do it, but the honest answer is probably morbid curiosity. People want to know and you can easily end up down a rabbit hole of horror. Start with something small and then just… work you way down towards hell.

@Flicks I think the question should be 'what the fuck are you doing watching that kind of shit in the first place?'

@Rize [edit; I guess I need to add a trigger warning here; don't read if the realities of serious injury upsets you]

bro if you've ever been on liveleak or bestgore, you'll know the un real shit the human body can survive, I've seen people shot in the face and their face is literally hanging off, they are barely gasping slowly trying not to pull in too much viscera/blood into what is left of their mouth- I can imagine what he must be like, the human body in pure survival state, so many emotions that you feel none except to survive, he is probably not thinking much because his whole world is on standby. those cries were probably of anguish for his wife and the fact he is helpless and seriously injured

@Rize *[edit; I guess I need to add a trigger warning here; don't read if the realities of serious injury upsets you]*

bro if you've ever been on liveleak or bestgore, you'll know the *un real* shit the human body can survive, I've seen people shot in the face and their face is literally hanging off, they are barely gasping slowly trying not to pull in too much viscera/blood into what is left of their mouth- I can imagine what he must be like, the human body in pure survival state, so many emotions that you feel none except to survive, he is probably not thinking much because his whole world is on standby. those cries were probably of anguish for his wife and the fact he is helpless and seriously injured

Well he actually survived but def haunting

Well he actually survived but def haunting

God, that cry will haunt me.  It is seriously chilling..


Well the parents sounded like a right joy.....own fault for being arsehole's to their daughter!!!


It's extremely easy not to end up it these situations guys, just don't kill your parents, you might as well run away


1:30:55 let someone explain to me what's going on