“When I lost my wife, I lost my daughter at the same time,” Hann wrote. “I don’t feel like I have a family anymore. Some say I should feel lucky to be alive but I feel like I am dead too.” Hann and his son Felix cut all communication with Jennifer after her conviction.

Hann survived the attack, but it left an indelible mark on his life. He’s unable to work and suffers anxiety attacks and nightmares. Hann is in constant pain, and nothing he does brings him any joy. He can’t live in his house, so he lives with relatives. Hann has tried to sell the house, but no one will buy it.

@Shelby doesn’t justify murder tho naturally

@Shelby doesn’t justify murder tho naturally

@Mattias Öman Yeah for sure, it's not only asian families, my family is like that (we're eastern european/slavic) and when i was younger i lied about my report card a couple of times to not experience beat-up lmfao. They did everything - not giving me my phone, grounding me not to eat dinner ,manipulation. I understand Jennifer to the point where i just feel that pressure.

@Nicole J. I would like to see you use any foreign language at least on an equal level as this swedish guys english

@Nicole J. I would like to see you use any foreign language at least on an equal level as this swedish guys english

I skimmed the replies and I feel like no one has mentioned how much getting involved with a drug dealer factors into this.
1. Drug dealers often get involved with people who don't feel loved by their family.
2. Drugs and that life can make people desensitized to violence.

So her parents drove her out of the home to find someone who was unhealthy because she didn't know what supportive love was, and then that desensitized her to the violence she returned onto them.

@iba mahin I'm an Indian Hindu and even though my parents are quite conservative about several things, they are slowly starting to wrap their head around the fact that you can marry when and you you want to. And I feel very bad for what you had to go through and admire you for being so strong.

@LaCabraAsada i dont judge who deserves what. But child abuse isnt a small issue and they created what killed them.

@LaCabraAsada i dont judge who deserves what. But child abuse isnt a small issue and they created what killed them.

@LaCabraAsada He tried to pressure his daughter into success she couldn't achieve , which lead her down a dark path and in the end, he paid the price for his failures. I would say he reaped the crops.

Lol his son also cut all ties with him after his recovery, I think that might tells you a little more about this terrible parents

Lol his son also cut all ties with him after his recovery, I think that might tells you a little more about this terrible parents

so sorry for Mr. Hann. pushed too hard and got devastating consequences

so sorry for Mr. Hann. pushed too hard and got devastating consequences

@Berkay Sevinc you misunderstood what I wrote and it's right in front of you. Can you not open "ur" eyes?

@Berkay Sevinc you misunderstood what I wrote and it's right in front of you. Can you not open "ur" eyes?

@Anne Treacy did the option with only able to leave the house to go to school not open ur eyes?

@Anne Treacy did the option with only able to leave the house to go to school not open ur eyes?

@K. Capharnaüm a joke with one of the world’s largest economies and the most massive impact on global pop culture?!?!

@K. Capharnaüm a joke with one of the world’s largest economies and the most massive impact on global pop culture?!?!

@Mattias Öman I’d love to know where you gathered your sources and concluded that the majority of an enormous country with 50 states and tens of thousands of individual school districts sucks?? It’s a broad statement that genuinely wreaks of ignorance … My advice is to keep opinions on topics you know little to nothing about to yourself as it’s really off-putting

Probably should've been a better father then. Although she did the wrong thing he contributed to the event in a huge way

Probably should've been a better father then. Although she did the wrong thing he contributed to the event in a huge way

@silenced head
For him to suffer any more compared to an average human with losses, which is everyone, he must be either delusional or guilty. It is that simple, it doesn't matter if general people can't understand why that is.

That truth makes the thought of him passing away being a better alternative completely insane. You really believe if something bad happens you will suffer as a consequence. That may be true if you are unconscious, which majority of humans are, but it is a lesser alternative compared to the natural potential, in which you experience everything, sadness, sorrow, joy or whatever comes your way, but never suffer.

Suffering can only be a choice, but the nature of human mechanism is heavy automatization, which is necessary because how complex it has became, you would have forgotten to take a breath and all kinds of things, resulting in your death.
That means if you are not present(your conscience) when the choice has to be made, the unconscious part of you will make a choice for you, therefore you suffer and do any number of things without realizing.
General human beings, I don't know but from my experience over 90-95% of all human beings are completely oblivious to the human mechanism.

In case you aren't, you know evil doesn't exist, it's an idea, no one has ever managed to put evil on the shelf, not even museums and private collectors.
Every child ever born was innocent.
It's not that the parent is completely or to some degree responsible, it's that the nature of our existence dictates that they are completely existentially responsible, so are we, everyone for everyone, which is completely different, there is no alternative, it can not happen any other way.

Consciously or unconsciously the father is aware of that, that is how intelligent a human mechanism is, far beyond our imagination. Religious idiots max out their imagination creating a god and give credit to it for creating humans, well what I see is I eat the banana and the human mechanism transforms banana into human being in the matter of hours.

This is only a tiny fraction of my perception, only meant to ignite some light on your ignorance, do not accept it, watch yourself, learn.
The other point is, death for the father would be the ultimate mercy, if he is suffering, he is guilty of worse than murder, it's just out of your perception and imagination.

Everyone is 'good' and innocent, both father and daughter, not just these two but almost everyone is in need of a wake up and help or any combination of them, to get to the potential of being a human, which does not involve suffering, suffering makes no sense, we create it because we are unconscious.

@silenced head I thought this took place in USA or canada

@silenced head I thought this took place in USA or canada

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas ye man idk lets get that house that probably no one believes is haunted or anything because someone got shot there. lets get this bread (maybe u just trolling i cant tell ^^)

@LaCabraAsada as that one comment already kinda explained, esp in asia it a little more than just that... in Korea they lock up the roofs of schools during the finals, so they cant jump off it ... the pressure is so much the kids kill themselves thats more than rough... and it is more than just putting a little pressure and wanting them to go to school. They disown you literally.

I’m sorry but no one would dare live in that house…

I’m sorry but no one would dare live in that house…

@Sean Burley Bruuhhh i was gonna say the same thing

@Sean Burley Bruuhhh i was gonna say the same thing

@Corey Moon omg, it’s NOT in the US.<br>This happened in CANADA.

@Corey Moon omg, it’s NOT in the US.
This happened in CANADA.

@Mattias Öman I appreciate that you noticed the word choice. It describes our traditional family education well. Luckily my parents were more progressive but I occasionally I still have this internalized guilt-trip for not being as “successful” as they are.

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas gee I dunno. Because someone was murdered there?

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas gee I dunno. Because someone was murdered there?

@Mattias Öman I’ve only looked at your first couple comments on this but you sound extremely proud of the racial stereotypes you were taught at your Swedish school.

Here you are insulting the American education system, which isn’t great, but I’d rather have an American education and be able to not generalize entire races into one group.

Rather than lumping all Asians into a group of people who only parent in one particular way you may want to reevaluate yourself and how you want people to think of you and your country.

 You are representing Sweden extremely poorly by being very full of yourself while spouting racial stereotypes. But who knows maybe that’s what Swedish people live for.

@iba mahin Then your experience isn't relevant either. The conversation is about Asian-American culture in the US, where threatening to disown your children for bad grades isn't a norm, and arranged marriages definitely aren't either.

@Mattias Öman "oblivious US" "its not my fault that schools doesnt learn children anything"

classic european 🤦🏽♀

@Mattias Öman "oblivious US" "its not my fault that schools doesnt learn children anything"

classic european 🤦🏽♀

@K. Capharnaüm In other words, your argument is based in hearsay and not in any personal experience.

@K. Capharnaüm In other words, your argument is based in hearsay and not in any personal experience.

@Mattias Öman damn dude well done ! very eloquent

@Mattias Öman damn dude well done ! very eloquent

@Jason Kinnear In Asian families,  it's common. Even if you were born here. It's just those cultural things you wouldn't understand unless you were in or close to Asian families.

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas No one wants to buy a house that had someone violently murdered I guess.

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas No one wants to buy a house that had someone violently murdered I guess.

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas Because a woman was murdered in it? Most people don't want murder houses. They associate them with extremely negative energy.

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas Because a woman was murdered in it? Most people don't want murder houses. They associate them with extremely negative energy.

@Mattias Öman Sorry, I kept reading you comments (as I said, good arguments) and just saw he kept going on. Should've check before writing

@Mattias Öman Sorry, I kept reading you comments (as I said, good arguments) and just saw he kept going on. Should've check before writing

@Vanessa Romano I guessed as much since I've stopped 😅

@Vanessa Romano I guessed as much since I've stopped 😅

It seems to me her parents did a poor job of parenting their daughter and her hatred for them created this plan to kill them both. No party is innocent. They should have not had kids, the girl should have told the truth and ran away or did anything but plot to kill her parents. Some people need to never have children

@Anne Treacy exactlyyy so don’t say anything if you don’t understand a “foreign culture”

@Anne Treacy exactlyyy so don’t say anything if you don’t understand a “foreign culture”

@Mattias Öman This has nothing to do with the US. The Pan family is Vietnamese and this happened in Canada. Why insult another viewer?

@Mattias Öman This has nothing to do with the US. The Pan family is Vietnamese and this happened in Canada. Why insult another viewer?

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas Haunted! Wife def in that house her spirit for sure.

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas Haunted! Wife def in that house her spirit for sure.

@Mattias Öman yeah, parents may be harsh af but that doesn’t condone murder, even though they were very strict you could still tell they at least tried to help their daughter

@Anne Treacy 'a foreign culture' I like how most murrifats think an entire continent is equal to a country, or even any culture :P

@Anne Treacy 'a foreign culture' I like how most murrifats think an entire continent is equal to a country, or even any culture :P

@rea exactly the first thing i thought too.   Houses dont sit unsold in the GTA

@rea exactly the first thing i thought too.   Houses dont sit unsold in the GTA

In todays blistering hot housing market in the GTA right now,  that house would be sold the week it listed.

In todays blistering hot housing market in the GTA right now,  that house would be sold the week it listed.

@ana no matter what they do, if ure a 24 year old, you can easily leave your parents without killing them. Sorry that she had a hard life but damn, who doesn't?!

@ana no matter what they do, if ure a 24 year old, you can easily leave your parents without killing them. Sorry that she had a hard life but damn, who doesn't?!

@iba mahin wish you good life. It can be hard with parents, i know. I just hope you at least developed feeli gs for your fiance/e? And even if parents are not always right, it's still hard to cut ties, and it doesn't has to be. As long as you think your life is ok the way it is, and btw, nothing is perfect in life. You see how ppl get married out of love, divorce, have kids, different partners all their life but can't decide on anything, some may call this freedom, but i wouldn't want this kind of life either. Not a fan of prearranged marriages, but it can turn out good too, who knows.

what jennifer did was disgusting but the last part is just simply not true. i dont think he ever tried to sell the house as there's no history of it ever even being listed. most likely her dad still owns it but it's probably just being leased out since google streetview shows signs of life. the housing market in toronto and gta has been insane the past 10 years, no matter how disgusting the history of the house, it definitely would not have been hard to sell if he had even listed it in the first place.

@Ashcool when the story travel there will be voices that said they are too much of a parents, crime as big as this one will not escaped to not be analyzed. They must be doing something terribly wrong for things tu turned out this way. If he still has ounce of grace as parents He will be remorseful later on. To say that "i wish you were that person" i suspect they both are narcissistic parents. Then this case he will blame it all on her. Still this case will be great shame to his life.

@Mattias Öman “oblivious US” lol ain’t that the truth

@Mattias Öman “oblivious US” lol ain’t that the truth

@Jason Kinnear that’s how it is though. i live in an Asian household and that’s how it is.

@Jason Kinnear that’s how it is though. i live in an Asian household and that’s how it is.

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas probably because someone was murdered there.

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas probably because someone was murdered there.

@Mattias Öman I grew up the same way... and never tried to kill anyone especially my parents.

@Mattias Öman I grew up the same way... and never tried to kill anyone especially my parents.

@Mattias Öman you said “you live in oblivious America” which is obviously an insulting phrase towards the country Anne lives in, thus insulting her people. I don’t really think it’s your place to insert an opinion on the American Education system, you’re literally watching an American video, on an American app, using the internet that an American invented. And yet you’re in the comments using derogatory remarks about the US education system, while referring to someone’s intelligence which is directly insulting that persons intelligence due to your use of the word “Oblivious”. I would never insult the Swedish education system, you guys have good stuff going on there, but you could care to be more respectful on the internet bud 😂

@Mattias Öman what does the us edumication have to do with this? She’s in canada

@Mattias Öman what does the us edumication have to do with this? She’s in canada

Does he at least in part, take responsibility for her turning out like this?

Does he at least in part, take responsibility for her turning out like this?

@Nicole J. Lol. Judging a Swedish person for not being able to write English flawlessly, complaining about how they generalize all American schools (they don't) and then you yourself generalize the entire Swedish education system for apparently not being wonderful based off of one person on the internet. I hope you understand how flawed your comment is.<br>People don't / can't speak for every single person, every single school, every single American, every single anything. You shouldn't feel like stuff applies to you personally all the time and get insulted. It's not about you. The majority of Americans simply ARE ignorant of cultures, languages and traditions outside the US. Their school system takes a big part of the blame. The other part is simply not caring - the patriotic side, the pride. The "I don't need to know everything because the US has enough to offer" attitude. It's what keeps them ignorant.

@Nicole J. Lol. Judging a Swedish person for not being able to write English flawlessly, complaining about how they generalize all American schools (they don't) and then you yourself generalize the entire Swedish education system for apparently not being wonderful based off of one person on the internet. I hope you understand how flawed your comment is.
People don't / can't speak for every single person, every single school, every single American, every single anything. You shouldn't feel like stuff applies to you personally all the time and get insulted. It's not about you. The majority of Americans simply ARE ignorant of cultures, languages and traditions outside the US. Their school system takes a big part of the blame. The other part is simply not caring - the patriotic side, the pride. The "I don't need to know everything because the US has enough to offer" attitude. It's what keeps them ignorant.

@A  indian muslim.... So can guess what actually life really is here, it's tough mostly for girls ... Though u have to be strong when it is the only option u have ❤

@A  indian muslim.... So can guess what actually life really is here, it's tough mostly for girls ... Though u have to be strong when it is the only option u have ❤

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas I'll buy it at cheap price. £2000.

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas I'll buy it at cheap price. £2000.

@Kevin Jacobson I've got more than anecdotal evidence? (I'm firstly gonna thank you for teaching me the word anecdotal, I'm obviously not a native english-speaker. Second, I'm going to somewhat retract my statement. Somewhat.)
I should somewhat change my statement. I am of the understanding that the MAJORITY of the US education is shit. As I've delved even deeper I understand that there are good schools. Why are they good? Because they don't use the outdated teaching-system and because the teachers are seen as prestigeous. Therefore they do their work better and more innovative. My sources aren't based of searching "why US education sucks" but rather just plain search of how the us education differentiates throughout the country.

I'll apolegize, somewhat. I will still stand for majority of us schools being shit and teaching shit. Though, for someone who lives kn a unified country, it's hard to understand how grave the state-difference is. I'll make that statement without being embarassed by it.

Why I think you were being offended, which I hope from my pov is the right word, is because you deffend something that's common knowledge in the EU. Our schools teach us to see how things are from different angles, nuances (I think is the right word). Also, you using more difficult words as to prove a point that I'm stupid indicates that you're passive-aggressive, as why I'm stating offended. Just because I don't know the words doesn't prove anything. It's not my native language, I'm still learning.

I'll say I'm wrong for stating something with a strong view without words to implicate that I mean majority. I won't retract my statement of you being offended (Try using another word if this isn't fitting). Your textual tone very much indicates from a behavioural pov that you're offended and taking a defensive stance with a passive-agressive tone.

Tl;dr I should've specified my statement more clearly. I should write a 3 pages long text with sources (This is how you sound in textual context, I didn't mean that sentence). You're passive-aggressive.

@Mattias Öman You first fallacy is in assuming that I'm offended. Your attempt at conveying deep understanding with only limited anecdotal knowledge will not save you here.

@Mattias Öman You first fallacy is in assuming that I'm offended. Your attempt at conveying deep understanding with only limited anecdotal knowledge will not save you here.

@iba mahin Saudi Arabia, how about you? I understand better now, sorry that happened to you. You were young and vulnerable and taken advantage of. Absolutely horrible.

I managed to flee my country and now I live in peace.

@A  where r u from? Good for u, but I was 18 back then n maybe not strong enough to leave my mother whom I love a lot... But at current situation, I am a grown a$$ woman n tackle many situations I couldn't back then, plus I am independent, have a degree, job, so I can take the decision of leaving the man if I feel the marriage is not worth it

@iba mahin I also come from a culture that arranges marriages. I would never let someone pressure me into marriage, no matter what. Our backwards cultures need to change.

@iba mahin I also come from a culture that arranges marriages. I would never let someone pressure me into marriage, no matter what. Our backwards cultures need to change.

@A  lol u don't know my situation enough to generalize me being my parents *puppet*.. the country i belong to, arrange marriages are a norm and almost everyone around have one, so I took a decision of not letting my mother suffer for my sake as there is lot of community pressure on parents of getting daughter married by 24 and most likely in the cast ... So i took the decision of NOT leaving my parents n break tie with them... These things you understand when u urself go through the situation... Very easy to take a dig at other person... N ya I m in an emotionally unstable state right now, but I might take a divorce if things don't work fine n choose not to hv kids for that particular reason...

@iba mahin I never justified this action, I critisized the main comment for feeling sympathy for the dad. She did her crime and deserves what comes for her.

The dad's an ass, I won't say more than he got what was comming for him. Doesn't judtify her action though

@Kevin Jacobson Not re-writing everything that seems to have gotten deleted.

I'm sating that US education sucks. How is that offending you? I can see flaws with Sweden all around, but that is not what THIS is about. I can also say with confidence that Finland have better than us.

Onto the subject. If you take offense by me trashtalking the US education with source critical reading (Which as a side not, you do NOT learn in US education until VERY late) and logical thinking, then fine you do you. It just proves that all american schools teaches you is to be dumb and brainwashed into thinking that the US is the best country in every aspect (Patriotism). I'm saying dumb, not unintelligent. If you don't know the difference, you prove my point.

Your argument is easily shut down. No, I've never been to an american school. But I have contacts and can easily conclude from what I've seen and heard what you learn and behave in those schools, how bad it really is...

@Mattias Öman Stop pretending like you know so much about an educational system in a country you've never lived. It reflects poorly on the Swedish educational system 😉

@Mattias Öman Stop pretending like you know so much about an educational system in a country you've never lived. It reflects poorly on the Swedish educational system 😉

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas just watch "Russel peters on indians and chineese doing buisness"<br>And you will understand 😅

@Nikolaos Boukouvalas just watch "Russel peters on indians and chineese doing buisness"
And you will understand 😅

he will never feel joy again until he forgives his daughter

he will never feel joy again until he forgives his daughter

@Jason Kinnear Yes, that's not what parentings about? I'm not a parent, but got friends and relatives who would call this ridiculous. Encourage your child to go to school? Yes. Threatening to disown and possibly forcibly remove from family? Wtf, do I even got to answer?

@Mattias Öman Now you’re generalizing all American schools when that’s not the case. Actually I don’t expect you to understand that sentence either since all the points someone was making went over your head. Also I thought Sweden’s education was supposed to be wonderful? Your English is full of grammatical errors.

@Mattias Öman no way excusing what the girl did, what you got to be awful parents to threaten to disown your own children for getting bad school grades.

@Mattias Öman no way excusing what the girl did, what you got to be awful parents to threaten to disown your own children for getting bad school grades.

@Anne Treacy It's not my fault American Schools doesn't learn children anything important nor wants them to think for themselves. I can dislike US School System without insulting you. Why are YOU getting upset at me about something that's obviously objectivelly bad instead of just agreeing?

@Anne Treacy Never said so. It's just that I thought it was common knowledge how asian parenting works.

I'm a 21 year old Swedish person. Majority of freinds my age would not be confused if I said this. So sure, I guess if you're living in oblivious US then sure, I'm actually not surprised if you don't know.

@Bruja Chingona I was asking Mattias for clarification on his statement.

@Bruja Chingona I was asking Mattias for clarification on his statement.

@Anne Treacy it's not foreign if you have Asian friends or have lived around Asian families.<br>Those "few minutes" of this video show the extreme, often brutal expectations of the culture.

@Anne Treacy it's not foreign if you have Asian friends or have lived around Asian families.
Those "few minutes" of this video show the extreme, often brutal expectations of the culture.

@Mattias Öman So you're saying we can fully and easily understand a foreign culture by watching a few minutes of of an interrogation on YouTube?

@Mattias Öman So you're saying we can fully and easily understand a foreign culture by watching a few minutes of of an interrogation on YouTube?

BS. I’ll give him £10 for it. He’s just greedy.

BS. I’ll give him £10 for it. He’s just greedy.

@LaCabraAsada I don't think you understand the... Regime, as the word the video used, asian families can put on their kids. "Don't do this or you're a disgrace to the family."
"Huh, you're not part of this family, you're a disgrace"
Or the worst:
"You're not my daughter/son"
Getting that in your face because if you can't get straight A's you're a "disgrace".
It's not about "going back to school" in that culture. You literally had to watch 5 mins (I think it roughly was) to understand this...

poor man honestly, he just wanted his daughter to go back to school and he loses everything he had

poor man honestly, he just wanted his daughter to go back to school and he loses everything he had

Thank you for this. Has he said what he saw/heard Jennifer do during the incident?

Thank you for this. Has he said what he saw/heard Jennifer do during the incident?


I feel sorry for this girl in a way. She wasn’t given a good life.


Wow this is such a sad movie.<br>So sad in so many ways.

Wow this is such a sad movie.
So sad in so many ways.


ALWAYS GET AN ATTORNEY BEFORE TALKING TO POLICE!!


1:28:30 “You said you were on my side”… Ummm no.. He was saying anything to get you to confess. That his his “side”…


dude how does the 911 operator not know how to spell helen avenue


“Everybody is a killer if you push them far enough”<br>That’s literally the quote I think about lol-

“Everybody is a killer if you push them far enough”
That’s literally the quote I think about lol-

@Forbes well- too be fair “far enough” is simply the limit of what a person can take, ik nothing can rlly justify but like- literally everyone’s point of pushing far enough isn’t the same and some peoples limits are weaker, others a stronger, etc-


Dude I have to say. From the detail in your analysis to the fact that you have no music, this is my FAVOURITE YouTube channel. Please don't change your formula. We love it.

40 minutes in and I just noticed the no music bit. this channel must be really good at grabbing attention o.O

Just noticed he never has music. It does work... Like No Country for Old Men, but a crime YouTube vid.

The absence of background music makes these videos perfection.

And the best narrator in the business, I think.

@A J thanks for the recommendation! Gonna have to check her out

Stephanie Harlow also goes into huge detail with no music. She looks at the cases more overall than the focus on interrogations like this.

I really love the fact he doesn't use music so many times music ruins a lot of good videos for me recently. Definitely love this formula and the fact we don't have to sive through 4 hours of interigations in certain stories.


Moral of the story: Murder is NEVER worth it. She should have just left them and let them realize on their own that they were being abusive. This story should be told as often as possible, so it never happens again.

@Jayson Ledesma You literally said that though. "It's funny how this documentary blames the family, but empathise her."

But yeah sure I'm wrong and illiterate I guess.

@Jayson Ledesma This documentary doesn't "blame" them in any way and doesn't empathize with her whatsoever. The narrator practically mocks her about not actually crying.

I'd say more but you're too close-minded to bother with.

Unlike Western culture where individuality is the common sense, it's basically non-existent in Asian culture. I'm not justifying her crime, but the solution of "just leave your parents because they are a**holes" is much more difficult for Asian.

I’m only 10 minutes In so maybe I’m missing something, but how exactly were they abusive? Controlling sure, but all i see are parents trying to give their daughter the tools for a happy and independent life. I envy this psycho, she could’ve been someone if she had listened. Or she could’ve been a deadbeat, her parents gave her that option. I hate the notion that parents need to support a shitty life path, because trying to give a child structure and direction in life is “abusive”. She’s 24 and had lied about every achievement up to that point, yet was still given a choice to be better.

demanding high grades from your children is hardly abusive. telling a 24 year old to get her shit together or gtfo is not even abnormal.

if they are abusive she should've just run away or cut ties with them she could've just starts another life maybe with her boyfriends family like she was doing not to try to kill both of her parents

@FirstnameLastname nah.. that's just what it looks like when someone agrees with you. Great "mind expanding" response though.

@Snoo Lee Jen was 24 and had already gone and lived with her boyfriend. She could have just carried on doing what she wanted and made her own way in life. The only reason she had her parents murdered was so she could have a nice easy frivolous life spending their life savings. The only person she cares about is herself. She was happy to see her parents shot dead just for some cash.

@Nicholi Larson I don't remember asking but thanks I suppose

@Nicholi Larson I don't remember asking but thanks I suppose

<b>It's not murder if no one finds out about it</b> , she failed but many have succeded.

*It's not murder if no one finds out about it* , she failed but many have succeded.

What appears to me is there are alot of people on here who resent their parents.

What appears to me is there are alot of people on here who resent their parents.

@u a   I could see that in an extremely abusive situation. But this is an overly strict parent situation. To pick killing your mom and dad over at least trying to move out to attempt making it just doesn't add up. If you can't see how she has some dangerous issue that has to be taken seriously... I don't see how. <br>Obviously the parents made mistakes, but talk about bringing a gun to a fistfight.

@u a   I could see that in an extremely abusive situation. But this is an overly strict parent situation. To pick killing your mom and dad over at least trying to move out to attempt making it just doesn't add up. If you can't see how she has some dangerous issue that has to be taken seriously... I don't see how.
Obviously the parents made mistakes, but talk about bringing a gun to a fistfight.

@FirstnameLastname yeah.. a good basic guideline is, if the person isnt right up on you with lethal intent; then killing someone isn't an option.

y’all don’t understand what emotional/mental abuse can do to a person. comments like this piss me off so much. imagine being so terrified of your parents to the point where murder feels less scary than running away. you. never feel like you can just “leave” in an abusive situation.

@T1memaster What? Hell it's the young unprivaledged kids that are manipulated into gangs, and kill someone that have the better chance of being rehabilitated.
A young girl with overbearing or strict parents, that then sees murder as a solution points to something more.
Good thing you're not a judge.

@Seven Sages  the parents are monsters. you have not experienced this.

@Seven Sages  the parents are monsters. you have not experienced this.

Harkeen15 glad you realized that, however to SOME the pressure is very difficult. Dating a drug addict and being under a house with unrealistic expectations that can be labeled as toxic (because we don’t know what she had to go through day-to-day mentally and emotionally). Only someone with enough patience and practice could handle it till the end. People say people who are abused don’t murder, however I differ. They all think of it at one point unless they think it’s entirely they fault/have self-hatred. Whether you like or not, if you’re in said household you will be affected by it. Environments change people, just like how certain season make you react in different ways. You see a lot of murders called “bubbly, creative” child growing up until there’s a sudden change in the entire thing. Clearly there’s something going wrong there. You can’t compare yourself to her because you had the patience and practice as I said. That’s like saying “we all have a sad story hun. no one cares about you, get over it.” shit. And no, I don’t sympathize her in any way I don’t think she’s innocent, however if you refuse to believe toxicity can’t and won’t change you, you’re very wrong.

I have a very strict father, my sister left the house at age 17 because of the way he was treating me and she knew she was the next target so she left and when she did my dad got even more abusive with me..most of them dont realize it, they think because they birthed us we owe them our lives as if we asked for ourselves to exist. But OF COURSE murder is NEVER the solution...walking out is 100% more worth it.

Wrong, the moral is, don't abuse your kids, or they might want to kill you...

Wrong, the moral is, don't abuse your kids, or they might want to kill you...

Leave them? When you’re being restricted to not being able to do anything else but study and not have a proper social life or work experience and try to leave the house how is that going to turn out? I don’t know how it is for other races but for Asian families you can’t simply walk away from your family. It’s not that easy and simple. Clearly what she did was wrong but the monster in her is what the parents created.

Murder is not okay.but she grew up in a way in which she had no other choice other than to kill her parents.she didnt thought of other things.her mind was filled with revenge because of her parents behaviour torwards her.

Yeah if it's between, cutting contact or murdering the problem I'm going to pick cutting contact because the outcome is the same in the end. Cutting contact is just "murdering" the parents without burning bridges or the risk of getting caught.

@Elisha Giang  @Elisha Giang  So as a parent you would condone your children dating a troubled person?  If you watch the video closely yes her parents wanted her to excel in all aspects but, she chose to rather live with her boyfriend which lead to this.  Also, you contradicted yourself when you stated, to my reply, that not all Asian household is based on mine. You came back and replied that "I'm just comparing it to mine as it's similar." Ok, my life is similar to her but would I be incline to murder my parents because of thier parenting, NO!  How about you, would you murder your parents?  Parents are here to lead you to success.  The parents did their best by doing just that. She failed to eternalize it and decided to date a guy who mislead her. It's her fault nothing against the parents. Maybe if she would grow up and focus on school rather then her boyfriend maybe this wouldn't have happened. It's funny how this documentary blames the family, but empathise her. The question is, what kind of boyfriend would hire someone to kill your parents? You're blaming her parents for the tragic situation "it's there fault". But, never considered the relationship. So continuing on my speil from before, you are built as a person starting from the house.  Look up Denzel Washington interview about growing up starts in the house.  He clearly explains this.  I grew up in a military Asian household in America.  Compared to my friends who were babied and spoon fed their life, from the looks how they become they weren't successful.  Look at our society too, everyone asking for free things and blaming the hard-working people for thier problems.  If you don't correct thier actions early they become spoiled, reliant, and dependent.  So all I'm trying to say is it wasn't the parents fault, its hers and only. Use common sense. Read  @RaniaIsAwesome comment.  @Dynamicpea I agree with you.

no one happened to find jessica yet and its been 27 years

no one happened to find jessica yet and its been 27 years

@DyaPe I agree that most Asian parents are just doing what they believe to be "best" for you but that might not be what you want which seemed to be the case with Jennifer. Had the parents not been so strict and judgemental with her boyfriend, she might now have felt the need to hide an 8 year relationship and on that same hand- growing up as a boy vs as a girl in an Asian household is very different too. It seems to me as if she was older than her brother as she had asked her dad if he had dropped him off at school okay. My theory is that he was treated better because he was younger and a boy as boys are known to bring prosperity and wealth and most Asian households wanted boys so they likely treated him better and expected less of him due to the fact that he was younger.

At the end of the day, I think that this form of parenting does mess you up mentally and this is getting a bit personal, but she was likely called a lot of things in that household because she was a girl just like I was. She seems to have gone through a lot and again, it does not justify ANYTHING she has done to her parents but it does explain why she has lashed out this way. She was likely called a whore amongst a plethora of other words that aren't so nice either. I am not entirely sure of her situation as that part that was left in described very little and I'm just comparing it to mine as it sounds very similar. She is likely traumatized by both the physical and emotional abuse her parents caused her and the fact that she so quickly opened up to investigators about how she really felt implies that she, like he had said, had almost never been asked that question before leading me to believe that she did not want to work in healthcare like her parents had wanted and likely told them at some point which lead to them being disappointed so she felt the need to fake a degree. Also, thank you for the respectful debate because I'm not sure that I could debate with someone over this issue who didn't come from an Asian household.

@Elisha Giang Im Australian and this is the exact childhood that I had, aint abusive to me. Sure I get hit sometimes, but it was always for my sake. Most of asian culture teaches you their version of the "right" way to live until you're old enough to make your own choices. This "right" way is most of the time derived from very traditional and outdated beliefs. I just respected it until I was old enough and earned the right to make my decisions myself.

But murder? From your parents trying to do what's best for you? This girl was obviously failing in life, going down a path with no bright future. She was dating a druggie and lied about her grades her whole life, instead of actually trying to improve them. Maybe they weren't strict enough (LOL), i mean, she obviously had the freedom to commit to this lie and date this guy for 8 years. That's more freedom than I had, I can't even live at uni to "study". If you're that much of a failure, then either your parents give up on you or not. These parents never gave up.

@Jayson Ledesma I'm incredibly Asian and although this might be a part of culture, it does not make it okay in Canadian culture because you end up comparing your childhood to those around you and it is traumatizing- I'm not justifying her actions in any way but being raised this way in Canadian culture is very different from being raised in an Asian country where everyone else has these expectations too. It is toxic and I disagree with your statement when you say it is okay to be raised this way

You don't know how an Asian house hold is, so don't come at us with abusive.  This is in our culture.  I'm currently raised in a hard household with restrictions on many things.  However, compared to my life from it.  Im a premed student so I see nothing wrong with it. I've been pushed to get straight As and its expected and Ive been pushed to excell in my sport it's expected. What is wrong, is her.  She decided to let it all go when she decided to date a guy who is a druggie and who mislead her.  It's about who you hang out with in this situation. Not the parents.

If she has a sister which her parents treat her good ?

If she has a sister which her parents treat her good ?

absolutely, she could of done so many other things and found her own path but she is crazy.

absolutely, she could of done so many other things and found her own path but she is crazy.

@FirstnameLastname Yea this guys clearly the next Nostradamus

@FirstnameLastname Yea this guys clearly the next Nostradamus

Hey you should write down on some stone tablets "murder is never worth it". I think that'll catch on dude

@Thea Rodriguez Yea but it gives context for why she did it. This girl ain't a coldblooded murderer, she was pushed into doing it by her upbringing. If i was the judge I would have given her a lighter sentence of maybe 10 years shes clearly intelligent and remorseful yet idiots dont seem to factor that in.

Why give her 26 years, this girl isnt a hardcore gangster with multiple rape/murder charges. She CAN be rehabilitated.

Marquis de Favras That I 110% agree with.

Marquis de Favras That I 110% agree with.

@Jamie // cis female // she her what? it is even written in her motives on wikipedia

@Jamie // cis female // she her what? it is even written in her motives on wikipedia

Most of us who are abused<br>don't arrange violent murder.

Most of us who are abused
don't arrange violent murder.

@Jamie // cis female // she her Yeah but giving a 24 year old "child" rules or otherwise telling them to get out of the house might be insensitive or something, but it's hardly abusive.<br>The parents seemed to work very hard to have provided their children with a nice middle-class upbringing. They had some unrealistic expectations, but they didn't do anything "wrong", some parents choose to be like that with their kids. Remember also she responded not by standing up for herself, but by weaving complex but ultimately flawed and doomed lies.

@Jamie // cis female // she her Yeah but giving a 24 year old "child" rules or otherwise telling them to get out of the house might be insensitive or something, but it's hardly abusive.
The parents seemed to work very hard to have provided their children with a nice middle-class upbringing. They had some unrealistic expectations, but they didn't do anything "wrong", some parents choose to be like that with their kids. Remember also she responded not by standing up for herself, but by weaving complex but ultimately flawed and doomed lies.

Unless she has a sister who her parents treated good, never made to feel like the reason for their own failure and a hindrance to their social life. Avoiding all contact with them until their old enough to leave the house.. and she just got the shitty end of the stick,  then her parents would just be glad one of the kids succeeded and never felt an ounce of guilt for the years of manipulation humiliation and depression they put her through.  Believe me it happens and the kids are the victims and cannot help the way their mental trauma put them in the shoes they have to wear.   Not saying murdering your parents is right, but Jesus man you should love respect enjoy teach and praise your kids..   not pressure torture manipulate and scare your kids out of the house and then wonder WHY THE FUCK THEY HATE YOU.

@André Meißner And inheritance of course. How many fucking murders are committed over life insurance? There's never going to be a massive life insurance for someone on my head I can tell you that.

She could have done lots of things. She could have told her parents years before that she was not as smart as they liked to think. She could have gone to live with her BF and made her own life. She's just a nasty piece of work who wanted their money, end of.

@André Meißner She wanted to be secure and safe but not tied down. That's why she didn't just leave. And she wanted to rest for a while and not worry about what life will throw her way for a while. That's how I perceived it, anyways.

She wanted to get the life insurance of the parents. thats probably why she didnt just leave

She wanted to get the life insurance of the parents. thats probably why she didnt just leave

Parents like that never change . Wrong upbringing in the wrong area of the world . My dad is Tunisian ...... he soon gave up trying to raise me like a Tunisian in England 😂. He may as well have been pissing into a jet engine afterburner

abusive parents don’t just “realize” they’re being abusive. although, i too don’t necessarily believe murder is okay...


im not saying she should’ve got away with this but I feel like if she laywered upin the beginning there's a good chance she would be fine lol but good thing she got caught,


moral of the story for this channel: never, ever talk.


Man this one make me nervous . I was oddly calm for the Jodi arias one


wouldn't it been easier to move away and get disowned as to kill the parents? its seems like really unnecessary because either way she would of been living without them put one is so much easier and doesnt involve killing your parents :x

Ok so i realised it had something maybe to do with getting 500 000 in inheritance and also revenge. Still 🤷


17:52 “It could be because the
✨aesthetics✨”


1:07:42 that is really all she needed her while life


Scary how convincing she was at first. She told the initial story with so much detail but that was her issue, it was TOO much detail. Too much to keep straight, a difficult facade to keep up

@Sashira J exactly. They over explain in an attempt to appear truthful because they care about how they're perceived by others. A truthful person doesn't care either way and just tells the story, matter factly.

@Sashira J Learned that from watching Walt in breaking bad

People who lie tend to add alot of detail

Exactly its actually like a defense mechanism for people who are lying to be more convincing, they give out too much detail and it all falls apart at some point.

@Shauna White yeah and then she could just say she heard the gunshots came out and called 911 lmao criminals are so stupid

Idk why she wouldn’t just say she hid under her bed or in a closet the whole time. Lol

How to lie lesson 1: keep it short.

She failed
And so stupid, only thing she needed to do is hide in the closet, so she couldn’t see anything😊

What they should've done was work out a scenario where she would know little in advance beyond what she needed to for the assassination to be carried out.  That way she could've honestly told what happened without worrying about keeping a bunch of lies straight.

Mark Twain said something to the effect of "The nice thing about telling the truth is you never need to worry about keeping your story straight". Quite right!


That last cop is just pushing so hard. Never would work in a Scorsese film


These detectives have the patience of a saint. An hour in and I'd shine a light in their face and been like 'Admit it! You're a killer!' Lmao

They are trained in psychology to do this.

Back before crameras things were different. Back int the 50+ sodium penothol (so called truth serum) was used.

Thank god we have police body cameras….. I’d be the same way though

@Boone literally who cares. Let someone have a dream damn. Statistics are statistics not a guarantee

Aaaand that's why you are not a detective

@Biba Biba it's just funny to see it wrote like that.

@NiLMaybe he's Dutch. It would be the right spelling in Dutch lol

they need it to present their case as clear and without fault, in front of the judge.

How very very callous of you to say that

More like sneaky devils "Yes we believe you story, you are totally not a suspect, no need to bring a lawyer, no need to keep silence."

@Jon A. who knows lol I was probably really salty 🧂at the time ⏲

@Boghman22 you seem salty, why would even care

They want her to tell them who did it or I wouldn't doubt they would

All she had to do is tell the detective that if he knew everything he claimed to already know (via police surveillance inside her paren'ts home, etc)...then why is he continuing to ask and accuse her repeatedly? She should have admitted to absolutely nothing and let them PROVE the case instead of allowing them to tire her out into a confession. She's too young and inexperienced to understand the tactics investigators use.

Yet, there's always the possible statements of the offending criminals (provided they were caught) divulging info about her, which wouldn't help her situation.

This is a tragic story due to abusive parents in every sense of the word. Where is that forsaken justice system to STOP abusive parents in their tracks?

@Gabby B it’s not my fault you can’t handle anything beyond comments like “I’m bout to ruin this man’s whole career” or “say no more fam”.

You probably thought “what are those” was peak hilarity so just go back to TikTok even though Vine was more suited for your attention span and capabilities.

@ÑøTîtlêÇhãøs stop cutting me with all that edge

@Jason Bent brother wrote a novel on interrogator careers in a comment section

Do you know how many innocent young ppl are convicted bcs of impatient detectives?!

If they did not have patience, they would not have established that trust and they would have gotten much information.

@Axis [XISE] if you become one I heard water boarding is a good trick to get knowledge. Not for investigators but still. I did it once and they admitted to it.

ÑøTîtlêÇhãøs

@Qlutch please at least spell it right before you make a fool of yourself

@Boone just because statistically theres a high chance he'd be an alcoholist,he doesnt have to be an alcoholist

I think it cant be uséd in court if you stresse to mutch a "witness" to the point hé can défend himself by saying "i djust Said what he wanted " because he djust wanted to get out of There ,because hé was tired ,scared,already traumatise ...ect ect ;)

@Boghman22  why are you so negative on people lmfao u literally know zero about him and you just go "na not built". Unlike the comment under yours which is normal

@Axis [XISE] hope you are able to fulfill it 👍

@ゆうきりん technically she didn’t kill her parents, but in a way, she’s the most guilty one. Planning the whole “robbery gone wrong and parents get killed” shit.

she's not a murder. that's the whole point.

@Axis [XISE] statistics don’t lie friend

@Axis [XISE] hope ya like many hours, paper work and alcoholism


Was the last part a bonus?.. i knew she tried too much lmao. who cares that her dad loves his car haha


This case was closed when they didn’t kill the dad


16:32 that sounded anything but convincing


This is better than any TV crime show or netflix documentary and it's free

@Are You Going To Do The 'Ora Ora' Thing? if I misinterpreted the remark... I apologize .

@Are You Going To Do The 'Ora Ora' Thing? a woman died . A man nearly died . A young woman had no problem setting this up = corrupt corrupt corrupt . I read the comments the joking of the matter is saddening .

@Dankfire Grasp He didn't say Netflix was free. He said that this video is free

Whatchu mean netflix is free as well innit?

I dont like that these things happen .<br>I did find Netflix Making of a murderer  astounding tho

I dont like that these things happen .
I did find Netflix Making of a murderer  astounding tho

"The Ted Bundy Tapes" is awesome though!


I understand the 911 operator urgently needs the address but gd she ain’t even let her finish talking about what happened and cut her off. “Ma’am ma’am ma’am” after she’s screaming to her father. Like chill out bro


Lawyer up before you ever say a word. Innocent or guilty. Not one word.


This makes me appreciate my parents being so accepting & supportive of me regardless of my choices or less than stellar grades.

Yeah like no pressure at all even i end up being stupid lol

Yeah like no pressure at all even i end up being stupid lol

@1 Mol I still have a lot of the friends I had at 19 but I’ve also lost atleast 50-% the dying my grads were awful I didn’t apply myself to school I went to high school 2 years and dropped out

@Rieka being stuck and isolated at home can make you go insane.. or make you into such a huge risk taker.. or a.. person.. if you manage to get through it. I have a friend who lives in that isolation, she jumps into things the second she gets a bit of freedom, shes desperate for it, she wants to socialize.. i feel horribly bad for her.. its a tough desicion, and i think that jeniffer was so desperate and stressed and didnt want to lose her freedom.. she was never able to be heard or relax.. this wouldnt have happened if she had someone who would listen to her, or parents who werent so strict and stressed her out so much.. but that still doesnt justify doing something so horrible as murder, what she did was wrong, but we have to understand her too in a way.. but i think she deserves her jail time, she did a horrible crime.

@🍄GloomeShroome🍄 they were supportive but if they would have dump her and not care they would be alive

good for you I wish I could say the same

good for you I wish I could say the same

@Subhadra Mahanta Do you call them your "room mates"?

@Subhadra Mahanta Do you call them your "room mates"?

@THAxILLEST At least you have a child at 19, I didn't even have long term friends at 19, and average grades.

@Subhadra Mahanta so what do you consider them as? Perhaps guests?

@Subhadra Mahanta so what do you consider them as? Perhaps guests?

My parents is always mad at me for my grades.

My parents is always mad at me for my grades.

Lucky, the difference between me and her is I’ve lived up to my parents expectations so far.

Lucky, the difference between me and her is I’ve lived up to my parents expectations so far.

I was thinking the same thing man! I appreciate my parents even more now that I’m older, a love of a mother and father can never be replaced ❤

@coolspot18 They threatened to disown her. Not sure how that's wanting the best for her.

@coolspot18 They threatened to disown her. Not sure how that's wanting the best for her.

@coolspot18 Neither of those are necessarily bad? They wanted what they wanted for her, not what was best for her.

@E M I was just taking a moment to appreciate the fact I had such loving & caring parents.

If there's one thing in this world you have no control over it's the type of family your born into.

You do however have a say in how you respond to the hand your dealt & this chick did so horribly. My comment has nothing to do with the choices she made.

I was simply acknowledging my gratitude for the hand I was dealt, which is good for the soul to reflect on once in a while. Consider that what you will.

even if they weren't that doesn't mean you kill them lol not saying thats what you are saying but you are self obsessed

Makes me appreciate my siblings for not killing my parents cause my siblings aren’t psychos

Makes me appreciate my siblings for not killing my parents cause my siblings aren’t psychos

This helps me appreciate my parents getting smooth on my ass everytine I was being a disappointment to them. At 38 I'm successful and thriving. I couldn't of did it without those long talks and ass whoopings

My parents aren’t really supportive I’m not very smart to be honest and I feel like they care about me being successful then they care about me.

Let's be honest, it's the fact she had friends capable of murder that made this happen. Lots of kids have difficult relationship with their parents

Otherwise they'd be dead huh? Well, maybe not. Things would probably just be contentious for a while. 😆

@Javier Pena Remember there are 4 aspect to long term brain health; Dietary, sleep, cognitive exercise and peer circle

Have no idea what you're talking about, I don't get hung up on these dumb videos I just say whatever pops into my head and I move on. LMAO!!!   Don't even remember what this one was about.

@L. Buds they both made choices which lead to disaster and a place they could never turn back

Because otherwise you'd have to kill them

Because otherwise you'd have to kill them

@Javier Pena If you're talking to me your question does nothing but side step the logic in my comment. Address the points in a meaningful way that invokes thought, and I'll think about what you said; that is if you're talking to me, it's kind of heard to tell who your comment was aimed at since you didn't specify who

Also I find it funny that people are trying to use that logic to make the girl into a victim

Also I find it funny that people are trying to use that logic to make the girl into a victim

I find it interesting that I have the opposite mind set of most peoples comments. I wish my parents pushed me more to learn, instead of being so lade back; honestly I think she wasted every thing her parents gave her

@Eagle Winnings  have them killed? Extremely doubtful. Would I one day get fed up, snap, & start stabbing? Most likely no but honestly never having experienced that makes it tough to be a 100% certain. It would depend on how unreasonable it felt & the degree  of control they put over me. Am I being locked away in my bedroom if I don't get straight A's? Am I being physically abused in any way? Would I have to worry about them also damaging any siblings along with me?

Regardless it would have to feel pretty extreme for me to take that step. It would likely only happen in the heat of the moment & once what I did set in I'd probably find it necessary for me to take my own life because I wouldn't last long in prison.

@Red Nitro ouch thats rough man. Whether you want it or not, just on principle it's messed up to straight up say I'm going to withhold my love & affection from you unless you get good grades.

@II M4X II but you commented. You care enough lol

@II M4X II but you commented. You care enough lol

Period. That is how parents should be. 👏🏼

Period. That is how parents should be. 👏🏼

@Dor I'm sorry that's the case. I'm talking about the snobby, rude kids who say they hate their parents when they've been nothing but supportive. The ones who say they don't understand them but they lie to them on a daily basis. I'm aware that there are rude parents, my best friends parents divorced 7 years ago and his mom leaves town for several weeks at a time, leaving him alone at home 70% of the year. This has been happening since he was 14. The beautiful thing is that we get to create our own children and give them the childhood we didn't have.

@goofy dood I disagree, because not every parent makes it easy or even possible for you to come to them and express how you feel without repercussions. I grew up in two Caribbean households, one was an authoritarian and physically violent household, the other was emotionally abusive and even neglectful at times. Some parents are violent, and abusive mostly due to ignorance and lack of understanding. Do you really think anyone in their right mind would come up to a physically or emotionally violent parent and admit to them that they hate them so much, they think of killing them sometimes and not expect an ass whooping? Yes, i agree that in this case, that was totally unnecessary, because all she had to do was accept the possibility of being disowned and just walk away, but not every parent is approachable and not every child will have the guts to stand up to their parents without fear of disappointment or retaliation.

Or less than stellar choice of partners... 😅

Or less than stellar choice of partners... 😅

The fact that she could’ve gone with option one where she could actually get back to school and start again. She didn’t pick. But I honestly understand her circumstances but it was the best option out there. I read a Reddit and redditor said that he was in the same position as her. He went back and finished highschool .
Went on with his life.
But it is really a difficult position for her... I completely understand
I wished her family could’ve more sympathize with her.
But her parent really GENErous to give her a chance to start again...she didn’t pick. 😭😩

If they weren't would you have them killed?

If they weren't would you have them killed?

This makes me appreciate myself for not being a fucking murderer, come on man

This makes me appreciate myself for not being a fucking murderer, come on man

@aem for you be home 🏠 mom will dad to go pick him out on ooooh way in about morning or night to mm

@coolspot18 well just because you have c grades doesn’t mean they should be disappointed in her, that behaviour is so rude and abusive and just because of your culture doesn’t mean you can treat people that way we need to stop normalising this because it’s not normal and if it happened in any other race it would be called abuse. And no they don’t want the best for her because she’s dating a drug dealer because if they had treated her better it wouldn’t have happened to her and maybe they’d be a happy family. Maybe if they were nicer and more supportive of their child they wouldn’t be fucking dead.

@Breazy disagree and dislike, my father is white and he's like that

@Breazy disagree and dislike, my father is white and he's like that

@THAxILLEST glad your dress right dress these days.  Parents are the best

@THAxILLEST glad your dress right dress these days.  Parents are the best

Your parents sound better to me than my own.

Your parents sound better to me than my own.

Asian parents only want what's best for their kids - i.e. not living with a drug dealer boyfriend or getting C grades. Unfortunately Jennifer's parents specifically were not able to communicate that properly to her.

@THAxILLEST Good for you man. I was also in the throes of addiction & know how hard it is to overcome. So much respect in getting out of that & turning your life around.

@Adriana Campos lol sadly there a little past their prime for that. But I'd be willing to be your adoptive online brother here for moral support if needed. 😁

Dude Foreal. My parents have accepted me through dropping out of school drug addiction having a child at 19 and because of their support I now own my own company I’m married with a beautiful wife 2 beautiful daughters and my own house this girl felt she had no other choice

@Adriana Campos lmao go sit with your parents for a few hours and tell them everything you've done, think about, feel, and so on. Then come back to complain. Typically the parents aren't the problem, the issue is the child not being honest...

Don't take em for granted. Especially once you move out. Ensure you continue to spend time with them otherwise you'll feel like you're missing something in you're life. And they will to

Tiger parents are the worst, abusive. Still dont excuse what she did tho.

Tiger parents are the worst, abusive. Still dont excuse what she did tho.

@Subhadra Mahanta Same. Cut contact with abusive father a year ago. Depressed Indian Kids unite!

@Subhadra Mahanta name checks out, enjoy your Lamborghini

@Subhadra Mahanta name checks out, enjoy your Lamborghini

In my house, I told my parents that I don't consider them as my parents 🥴

In my house, I told my parents that I don't consider them as my parents 🥴

I'm sure your parents appreciate you didn't kill them too

I'm sure your parents appreciate you didn't kill them too


If she had gotten an attorney, she would have maybe gotten away with this crime. Bottom line is get an attorney before interviewing with the authorities.

Bottom line is don’t murder your parents.


There was a time in my life when I knew exactly how Jen felt, however, I made the choice to walk away from my parents instead of killing them.

Jade Marie Ideally and in most cases yes, but not here. After reading the 2 books on this case & court transcripts, you see from others that she wasn’t in such a restrictive environment as she claimed. She was grounded for 2 weeks for falsifying a report card (any normal parent would do the same) but other than that, standard stuff they had approx 35 Asian community members who knew the family intimately testify in court and say that was nothing in their community. Grounded for two weeks for falsifying a report card? Every diligent parent would do that. They added in testimony that her parents were considered the lenient Asian parents among their friends, in that Toronto community. Then let’s not forget the testimony from her brother, who said nothing extreme ever, she lied and made life a living hell and her punishments were appropriate to the context. Grounding for a week or two depending on the infraction: lying, drugs etc. So any narrative about abuse is taken just from her lying mouth, not from actual knowledge about her specific parents. And she admitted to lying about her parents to gain pity, to a friend. Who testified to that in court. That’s partly why the jury only deliberated for 4 hours! And let’s not forget what she did to the school friend & the gang rape stories-neither of which had anything to do with her parents. Sociopathic behaviors across-the-board. Or are ppl going to also blame what she did to the school friend & the boys on her parents? Jeez. People are assuming guilt on the parents from 2 sources:

A) books and articles they read in general about Asian tiger parents, not the Pan family.

B) her lying mouth.

None of the above have anything to do with Jen’s actual parents.

Good for you!, I'm glad you did the right thing. Hope you're doing well :)

KoreaMojo thanks so much, I do appreciate the attempt to help and show off your frosh psych classes. Having researched this case for my own psych dissertation, I must defer to the experts on this one, the reams of evidence I’ve read, the interviews, the assessors, and the two books written about the case, adding up to thousands of pages about her specifically, not your textbook quotes. I’ll stick with the actual clinical diagnosis of her specifically, and the expert witness testimony, as deemed by professionals in HER case, dating back to early childhood. If you read any of the previous material on this case you will see that the sociopathy diagnosis (in this case not your textbook) is a large part of what got her convicted and why her attorney could not even go after the insanity defense & didn’t try. I appreciate the fact that you’re thankfully not a college dropout, and have more knowledge than some other commenters here, but I’ll take my information from THIS case we’re discussing, not your psych class notes or textbook. Read the Grimaldi book. It’s not that difficult for a layperson to get through, it’s only about 350 pp. Hope this helps. Edit: Here’s an excellent academic peer reviewed article explaining the different personality disorders and the different crimes and murders they commit which will have different characteristics. Also you can do a standard search of the many famous clinically diagnosed sociopathic serial killers. A standard Google search will give you that. I think it looks like you’re under the mistaken impression that sociopaths don’t kill.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5742412/

@ns2110theonly You don't know the op, also sociopaths are not typically violent and are plentiful. Factor 1 psychopathy is more in alignment with violent criminality. ASPD is the clinical diagnostic for factor 2 psychopathy, the construct of sociopathy, they have empathy that is impaired not non-existent. They have been known to have some remorse even. Since no one ill or otherwise is the exact same. If she was diagnosed with ASPD it's not in much alignment with violence and nobody truly knows what another. Empathy is a projection of what you imagine you'd feel in the others position. Hope this helps.

@tx-sweet-p JG It's good that you can walk away and forgive. That's best for you.

@Debby Rising I'm sorry for what you experienced. I hope some day you are free inside, free from living out a cycle of pain and rage. Free from hurting others like you were hurt. Trauma puts people at risk of self-imprisonment and abusing others. It screws up your whole world view. I wish you peace. It's a hard battle after such upbringings.

@Guybrush Wayne this is very reactionary. The op means no one just becomes that type of person. Even factor 1 psychopathy being said to come from brain structure abnormalities is not well understood. Most people that are the vilest types were raised in a range of abusive and neglectful environments. You couple that with disposition which is partly genetic, you get a bad outcome sometimes. Please I know it's hard but to help prevent as many people from going rotten as we can we do need to be less reactionary and more responsive.

It's like being a viper and raising one, no one should be surprised if they get bit. You did the best thing for you if your parents objectified you as something to be possessed or dispossessed.

All the people patting you on the back for not murdering your parents...😂<br>I didn’t murder my parents either. In fact, I’ve never murdered anyone at all. Send the trophies to P.O. Box 1324...

All the people patting you on the back for not murdering your parents...😂
I didn’t murder my parents either. In fact, I’ve never murdered anyone at all. Send the trophies to P.O. Box 1324...

@epiphany of veritas ahhh definitely you to!

@My Thoughts and Me, Jesus that's a bit harsh..... Sorry God.

Sraceli..I.m a 63yr old man.you have been blessed with a strong and beautiful charachter. I.m glad you put your trust in the most high who owns and created this world and knows more than us. Be blessed

well said, my parents bullied me and till this day they have gotten worse they emotionally made me sick. I now have severe depression, trust issues and a panic disorder. They laughed about my illness and were the most terrible bully's. believe me I would have loved to get rid of them but at the end of the day its not how to do things. best thing to do is forget that they existed and live on. I will never help them, never be there for them or offer my self to them. they completely took advantage of me and did the worst. this was years and years of abuse. I turned to god and he watches over me even tho its not the same I rely on god for everything. when your bullied to a far extent and have so much scarring from it it is easy to want to snap. don't irritate your children love them hold them and treat as you would want to be treated.

I had friends that moved out the second they were legally able to it sucks but sometimes it’s for the best I hope you are doing well and hopefully if not already down the road your parents will realize the way they did things was wrong and you can have a relationship again

Debby Rising <br>That’s a sad story but I’m glad you made it through. So many people are so angry because of drinking, drugs etc.  🙏🏻🙏🏻☘☘

Debby Rising
That’s a sad story but I’m glad you made it through. So many people are so angry because of drinking, drugs etc.  🙏🏻🙏🏻☘☘

I wish I'd had your strength back in the day. There were NO resources I could've utilized back in the mid 1970's. None. I really effing wished there had been.

Ngl I used to seriously fantasize about killing my abusive mother. I'm thankful for my grandma who gave me somewhere else to live, cause I think I would have eventually cracked just like this girl in the video.

No one can truly say that they were in Jen's place except Jen herself. No shade. Perhaps you can empathize with her, but unless you walked a mile in her shoes, pardon the old saying, but it is sooooooo true. God bless you all. I pray God keeps you all safe

Bhing excellent comment but I would add you couldn’t know how Jen felt, because she was clinically sociopathic and diagnosed as such, hence the cold blooded murder, and you by contrast are a normal empathetic person with functioning emotions & reasoning skills. JS.

That's why you will always be an underachiever.

You don't always have to be so honest you know, but you made a good decision.

Bhing ,,,, me too ,,, I chose to forgive my parents

Yes....that's the BIG DIFFERENCE!😔😔😔😔.....

Well, to be fair killing them shouldn’t even be an option

@Michelle Beynon agreed, glad we both made a better decision.

Correct.  And when you succeed forgive them and don't look back.

Bhing 25 years ago I walked away after my last beating by my alcoholic mother. Best decision I’ve ever made. Some people hold you back, and do not always have your best interest at heart.

@Naty Gonzalez No one is excusing, but giving rationale. People don't just chalk up plans to kill their parents and we need to talk about how to prevent murders on both sides.

Exactly I’m tired of some of these people excusing her choices


the fathers screams in the recording was honestly horrendous, it made me cringez


Obviously she’s lying, but now I wonder how many actual victims got their stories all mixed up because of PTSD or trauma

RayTheGay i mean, her lying is sooooo obvious. a actual victim would get the story mixed up a bit not that many plot holes

yeah exactly BUT in her case she would be way more panicked if she had actual PTSD or trauma from a real home invasion

I can’t remember what I did today let alone during something like that I would be screwed

Yeah I have PTSD and I know my own mind has fought really hard to suppress memories, but focus on others and it holds on to those intensely. There are so many gaps though. It's hard to put things down in an accurate timeline .

Isiah Blaise I get that. I guess I should have clarified if there were no witnesses. Like you are home and someone breaks in and shoots and kills everyone else. Obviously you are a witness and most likely also a suspect (though not a main one) but you can’t seem to remember or you mix up details. I hope this makes more sense

RayTheGay that’s why testimonies aren’t the primary thing they go off of. Her dad basically said she did it so they only needed her to admit it and get the evidence from the rest. Even if she didn’t crumble her boyfriend actually gave her up for a lesser sentence since he didn’t actually kill anyone.

I was interviewed extensively by detectives, after home invasion. Three suspects, and it was brutal. To go over and over the experience was cruel. PTSD is a bitch. The details come out, but it’s hard work.

Her problem wasn't that her story got mixed up, the problem was it was too clean and there was too much detail.
If her story would have been mixed up it probably would have helped her. When you witness a murder it causes Trauma, this Trauma is expected to cause lapses in memory because of a naturally occurring panic. Which she did have panic but it was a conscious panic brought on by guilt. Meaning she knew what she was doing was wrong, which gives her the need to think a story through.
Her first mistake was making the 911 call. She made herself the witness instead of the victim. And every detective is looking for a witness.

Jenna Hewer that sounds awful. I myself have PTSD and repressed a lot of what I went through. I can’t imagine trying to get my brain to remember the trauma just 1 hour after it happened.

There's a Netflix series called unbelievable about a girl who's a victim to a crime and you hear her scramble up her story from PTSD and having a hard time remembering it because of that and they accused her of lying but it's super heartbreaking and interesting

There’s a Netflix series on it it’s super interesting

thats why its a good rule of thumb to request an attorney even if you are innocent on the matter, there's definitely been innocent people locked away for crimes they didn't commit.  At least there in if they start treating you like a suspect.


She shouldn’t be allowed out at any time she is only 5 years older than me and that’s scary that she was involved in her parents murder I get it some religions don’t get it easy but please find another way reach out to charities or find another way to escape this girl found the lowest of the low!


Parents: you’re an Asian not a Bsian<br>Jen: * hires some hitmen *

Parents: you’re an Asian not a Bsian
Jen: * hires some hitmen *


45:31 Didn't know Bill Gates was an investigator.


dont abuse and traumatize your children <3


4 hours of interrogation.... sticking words in her mouth...despite she contracted hitman, i wonder if an interrogation conducted this way wouldn't be questioned in an international courtroom... brings facts and ask to explain until the witness either confesses or call for a lawyer. This interrogation is a disgrace to top detectives like me. Disgrace.


"Ma'am, can you speak English, please... Ma'am... English please" Probably born and raised in the US.


Wait I don’t get one thing. At the very end. 1:30.22 it shows the pictures.

Is that her and her boyfriend on the top? I thought her boyfriend was a different race and that’s why her parents didn’t accept him. Not trying to be rude if they’re both Asian but different countries of origin. Just honestly wanna know that part. I thought he was black the entire time.


Is this the same detective that interviewed Russel Williams?


34:38 the subtitle totally reads anvenue 😆

34:38 the subtitle totally reads _anvenue_ 😆


Ive found myself incredibly interested in this kind of content as of late. Your breakdowns of crimes and interrogation is incredibly informative. Always looking forward to new videos from you.


It's too bad she would've had a nice ASMR voice.


Her left foot keeps  shifting back and forth .....oh girl you done f-------up how you can live with yourself I'll never know......I can't stand it when I've accidently hit prairie dogs running across the street......I CRIED  HAD THE WORST MOTHERS DAY LUNCH WITH MY DAUGHTER AND MOM BECAUSE I HIT 2 RUNNING IN THE ROAD IM A HUGE SOFTIE .....


she seemed more emotional when talking about her own struggles than her parents murder. very telling

We all care about ourselves more than other people ultimately, that’s just human nature.

Here parents weren't very good people to her so why would she care

almost like she was isolated and alienated from them due to their harsh abuse and had no positive emotions towards them as they were abusers/jailors.

@teardrop it's funny cause it's rare seeing them both, cause they usually are opposites from each other... And then when someone have them both you know the person is fucked up..

narcissism and psychopathy usually go hand-in-hand


Any word with pro in it is beating the detectives ass


It was the tied up part that just Stood out


The voice of someone who just lost both her parents 😪😪I don't hear it


I’d like for you to test our judgement once. Just show us an interrogation and don’t tell us if they are guilty or not. Give your pointers like you do in normal videos but don’t conclude them. Don’t explain the blatantly obvious details that indicate towards guilt or the lack thereof. We’ll try our best to figure out if they are guilty or not. The reason I say this is I’m cringing so hard watching this interrogation because she’s being so obvious. I wanna know if that’s because I have good judgement and perception, or it’s because of the fact that I already know she’s guilty.

Yea itd be great if like half the video was for us to guess and the other half is his breakdown!

Remind people to not spoil the verdict in the comments.

exactly what i’m thinking tbh😳 interesting!


Can anybody tell me why they don’t use lie detectors?Is it because it isn’t accurate? Or is it illegal? I don’t know actually.

The old style units were something like 80% effective in the best circumstances, and their accuracy in actual practice wasn't necessarily even that good, but the main thing is that there are a variety of ways to fake them out.


This makes police more guilty than the murderer.


Someone needs Therapy.. And that'll be me.


She sounds like i used to when i faked a fever to stay out of school


como eh que este video tem mais likes e comentarios do views 106 mil views mas 649 mil likes... interessante


Why did her and her boyfriend have the exact same glasses.


Can we take a second to watch disjointed.


and that's why people should go to therapy, folks


Holy crap, that's a great interrogator. Even after wearing her down for hours, then charging her with first degree murder, she still asks him "do you have to leave?"

How do you know that you won't see this in an American police department?

He was amazing. I was expecting him to be harsh and badass by the way the narrator was describing what was going to happen. In the end, he was patting her shoulder. Won't see that in an American police department.

Ikr I have a new appreciation for interrogators I don't know how they have the patience.


At any point do have bring these dudes in too? Because it’s like all of them that need to be in that room


Did that interrogator say his name was Bill Gates


6:35 did anybody for all the history open the book at matthew 5:34-37 and read it?

(it says: 34 But I(the god says it) tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 or by the Earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37 All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.)


I can understand the pressure they put her under, but what she had to do was leave, start her life somewhere else, make her mistakes (her boyfriend, obviously the time she was with him did nothing useful and wasn't going to finish well) and have his victories (get a job) and maybe one day come back, independent and safe to see if they could fix things, but what she chose was coward and evil, I mean she had other options, kill your parents isn't even, unless it was defense but she could leave at any time


I don't think anyone will willingly kill their mother unless they're dealing w smth so anyone out there judging can stop it


oaths in the us fell so damn old. Like whats gonna do swearing on the bible for an atheist or for someone os other realigions


"Because if you're lying, it's the most cold-blooded thing I've ever faced in my life."   Well that must've been chilling to hear.

@Grace T he knew the long term effect of that question

you know her blood pressure shot up so fast at that

That detective was so good, like he knew just the things to say and he could smell bullshit like a mile away and I love it

@David C I mean she killed her parents so it doesn’t matter what she felt

That's what i thought too, just imagine what she felt


Ik she’s lying but I do wonder how many people say the wrong things due to either PTSD or coercion into confession. I think interrogations aren’t the most reliable unless backed up by physical evidence (which they had in this case)

@poundmytomtom Comprehension issues confirmed.

@poundmytomtom Comprehension issues confirmed.

@Ashadowtotheworld what are you on about?

@Ashadowtotheworld what are you on about?

@poundmytomtom do you have comprehension issues?

@poundmytomtom do you have comprehension issues?

@Ashadowtotheworld lol, you can't be serious

@Ashadowtotheworld lol, you can't be serious

also HUUUGE mistake was when detective questioned her call to 911, and first thing she did was to go for a drink to get more time thinking and you can see her internally panicking.

Of course even if it was real robery, there is panic and everything, but she went in so much details as victim like 1100 USD taken from purse etc. If you were challenged on the same fact later on, part i would say 70% of the weight is tne nonverbal answer to question rather than confirming facts.. If you start panicking or really try to recall the scene in your head (so you naturally look up) instead of looking from side to side or around  the room/floor, hiding eyesight from investigator, which tells a lot about the fact that you are more calculating than trying to recall the scene, which is fake in the first place so your brain does not subconsciously move your eyes  up.

@Rylan H. Mangum Exactly... they literally get triggered in the face of evidence and sound arguments...

Anyhow I just watched this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJt_afGN3IQ&t=1778s&ab_channel=JCS-CriminalPsychology) from this very channel. Of course it is merely one example but I think it goes to show how hard it actually is to get a guilty conviction for murder even when it seems self evident that the accused is actually guilty, I wonder what the ratio of murderers who go free is compared to innocent people who wrongly get convicted of murder.

@Filip enlighten us oh knowledgeable one 😂😂😁

@Filip enlighten us oh knowledgeable one 😂😂😁

@Ashadowtotheworld damn u dont know much

@Ashadowtotheworld damn u dont know much

Yes, and I think investigators seem to zero in vulnerabilities like those, and convince themselves that they are signs of guilt. Studies have shown that police greatly overestimate their ability to detect deception and I think they often railroad people.

@Măcre oh wow thank you! Trying my best lol ☺

@Măcre oh wow thank you! Trying my best lol ☺

@Ashadowtotheworld Geez..."lol" and "lmao"...in the same sentence? So much effort. No detective is needed. Everyone can see you're a second-rate troll, so they stopped talking to you. This thread is now all about you. Feel free to declare victory, because I won't reply.

@Charles D. Wisdom lol yea thats it you're so good at reading people maybe you should become a detective lmao...

@Ashadowtotheworld you went from pretend serious question to pretend debate to pretend nonchalance...fake at every step

@Ashadowtotheworld "Drivel"? I was just trying to give you some information. I have no interest in debating you, much less trading insults. What are you getting out of this? It is a waste of time. Have a good day.

Ashadowtotheworld have you not seen making a murderer,? The SHERRIFF and police department of that whole ass town tried covering up and pointing a murder on an innocent man due to him just being at the wrong place at the wrong time. It’s SO fucked up, and HAS happened. Do your research yo.

@Ashadowtotheworld I never claimed anything about wrongful conviction percentages. That was someone else. I'm very skeptical of all such studies - yours and whatever anyone else refers to. If we have such a reliable way of determining guilt, why do we bother with courts? How does a study determine who is "really" guilty? Consider the absurdity of this.

You know that this number is unreliable because it is based on interviews and opinions. They are trying to determine the accuracy of conviction by calibrating against the accuracy of self-reporting. But since we don't know that accuracy, the data has little value. It is amusing that you second-guess the authors and downgrade the percentage, as though they never considered that prisoners may lie. You don't even know if they considered that possibility! What is the accuracy of the stat you quote? What are you using to compare THAT to? There's a reason that justice is complicated.

If you are feeling so energetic to type in searches for learning and not just proving your point (unlike all the so-called lazy people who disagree with you), take a look at the things I mentioned in my previous post. I didn't give you links because I know you can type words into google and I don't need to cherry pick your study.

@Charles D. Wisdom And considering none of you supposedly emotionally uninvested people wanted to make the effort I did a simple google search to help you all out. According to this study (https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/first-estimate-wrongful-convictions-general-prison-population) the upper limit of the number of wrongfully convicted for serious crimes like rape and murder is around 6% (there is no breakdown of how many is for rape and how many for murder). But even that number is problematic because if is based on self proclamations of innocence by the prisoners themselves so the real number is certainly lower. Maybe 3 to 4%? That would certainly be believable and yes every single one of those a tragic mistake. Ideally this number would be zero, but ideally we would live in a world where nobody got sick and nobody had car accidents and nobody was murdered in the first place. And for the record yes I think 3-4% is still an unacceptably high number, but nowhere near the hyperbolic estimations of 10% which the "emotionally uninvested" folks above are throwing around...

@Charles D. Wisdom yea that must be it... all because I asked someone to reveal their sources to back up their claim lol

@Ashadowtotheworld You have an emotional investment in the minimum fallibility of the justice system.

@Charles D. Wisdom Actually the jury get the picture that is painted by the prosecution and the defence. And “circumstantial” evidence as you call it is not allowed by a judge. I am not discounting that mistakes happen and that innocent people end up behind bars I am just pointing out it’s actually very difficult to convict people of murder and the great majority of the convicted are guilty. Someone else mentioned up to 10% of convicted murderers are innocent, I find this figure hard to believe unless someone can show me a source.

@Bejan is it? For murder? Can you show me a source where you got those numbers please?

@Bejan is it? For murder? Can you show me a source where you got those numbers please?

@Tiffany McNerlin underrated account you have

@Tiffany McNerlin underrated account you have

@Ashadowtotheworld surely you can't REALLY be confused about what I'm saying. Everything the judge and jury sees is filtered through the police investigation. If the real murderer was never even interviewed or the police find a lot of circumstantial evidence against an innocent party, the jury won't get the real picture. That's assuming the detectives are honest. Sometimes they "know" who is guilty and "nudge" the case by planting evidence. It's intended for a good cause but it is corrupt. Look up Louis Scarcella. There's a lot of literature on false confessions, police corruption (check out Frank Serpico's story, or the LAPD Rampart/CRASH scandals), etc. The homicide detectives are the ones who construct the story told at the trial, and they are human beings. Sometimes they make mistakes, sometimes they do the wrong thing for the right reason, and sometimes they are just scumbags. Despite the fact that many times they get it absolutely right.

@Ashadowtotheworld  Its estimated to be between 5-10%. Apply that to a prison population of 2.3 million and that’s a fuckton of people

@growlingbehemoth oh yea? What percentage of the people who are behind bars for murder are innocent? Since you are so certain I suspect you have a number? 5%, 10%, 50%???

@Charles D. Wisdom not sure what your point is. Homicide detectives don’t decide if a person is a murderer, a jury does.

I wonder what would have happened if she never attended the first interrogation

I wonder what would have happened if she never attended the first interrogation

Indeed, it's worth noting that it's fully legal for an interrogation officer to lie about certain details/knowledge, fabricate facts, etc at any point to gather either a confession or incriminating statements from the suspect. It was used for justice here. Yet imagine being truly innocent -- just gotta play it like Jeff and not entrap yourself with whatever you might say that fits a narrative

but I think thats the main difference - when trying to remember traumatic events you would be incoherent and confusing things and saying one thing before the other, then remembering smth else you wanted to say etc. - im sure we've all been there one point in time. her story was way too detailed and structured for PTSD imo

If I was taken to a room like that and asked what happened yesterday, 😶...but I also wouldn't be trying to remember a lie...

@Ashadowtotheworld If you think the system is working as it should, you have been asleep my friend.

@Ashadowtotheworld Homicide detectives are judged on their clearance rate. Once a crime is ruled a murder in their jurisdiction, it's a big minus sign until they solve it, if they solve it. They are also normal human beings with hunches and prejudices, and sometimes they are wrong. And when you're tired and frustrated by your suspects, it's easy to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt. You do the math.

@MrJigga420There are multiple videos with similar titles. Do you remember which one it is?

@MrJigga420There are multiple videos with similar titles. Do you remember which one it is?

The techniques aren't perfect, but when it's important to collect evidence from every place you can, you can't ignore the value of observing patterns of behavior that correlate with either guilt or innocence, because there are patterns of difference in behavior. The narrator seems very knowledgeable and particularly in touch with his empathetic intuition when analyzing sub-lingual expressions.

You forget that they find holes in the story and logical inconsistencies.  Mental competence is their #1 asset

Raging Rainbow yes ofcourse mistakes are made, and no judicial system is perfect. But generally it would be very very very hard to actually convict someone of murder even if they were guilty let alone if they weren’t... but yes there are always exceptions and you will naturally hear far more about those exceptions because that is more dramatic than a system working as it should.

@Ashadowtotheworld look up the Innocence Project. I think they have a documentary on Netflix too.

@Ashadowtotheworld youd be really surprised. One dude spent over something like 30 years in prison for a murder he never did. Theres plenty of documentation on it, i just cant remember his name.

I doubt anyone gets convicted of murder without undeniable evidence.

I doubt anyone gets convicted of murder without undeniable evidence.

Search for "never speak to the police" a former defense attorney and police officer give a great presentation on why never to talk before you get counsel. Even if 100% innocent.

It's true. I got assaulted once. While getting interrogated by the polices, I messed up the description of the assaulters twice. PTSD created one more version of the story inside my mind, the most different part was the appearance of the suspects. The thing is I couldn't tell which one was the true version.

Yeah I randomly forget a lot of things, I can imagine completely contradicting myself in repeated visits. But then again, when really intense and scary moments happen when someone else's life could have been in danger, I remember those moments quite vividly so idk


No one wants to admit the truth about this


Her parents gave her a beautiful home,food to fill her stomach in no way can anyone justify this ok her parents were strict so u kill them ? She could have easily ran away its so much easier then planning a whole murder i cant believe she didnt think of all the things her parent gave her and focused on the education aspect its crazy