The biggest screw up she made was over rehearsal. She was too detailed in her initial statement, which leaves little to no room wiggle room for mistakes later on.

Christina McEwen believe it or not there are okay reasons to lie

Uncle Scam wish you could bookmark comments here. guess i’ll just have to screenshot them instead.

@419 Exorcist as a psychology student i can confirm this is true

@EmmanuelDoe my method is a bit different. When I'm lieing to a scammer, I actually tell the truth when things start to heat up, but I consciously act suspicious. When you make someone feel like they're good at detecting a lie and let then put the pieces together themselves, it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to break the story, even if you flat out tell them you did it on purpose. It's like when you screw up and say say stupid, and then when you're called out you say "I was just testing you." Well, I really am just testing them, but when you say that, the perceived notion is that you just don't want to accept responsibility for a mistake. It works every time.

Another pro tip. If you want to lie successfully, the first person you have to convince is yourself. You need to recreate what you felt (not the details) during the events over and over again until you believe it yourself. You have to gaslight yourself and forget the truth as much as possible. Only after this can you successfully lie. Knowing the truth and just trying to conceal it as you go along is fatal.

@Wuzzy One of the tell tale signs of lying is giving too much detail. Its relatively common knowledge.

@Matt Nimbus do I really need to clarify this? Lol. Her biggest screw up in staying off of law enforcement radar.

Actually, I think her biggest screw up was actually hiring some men to murder her parents.

“If you tell the truth, you don’t have to have a good memory.”

@Redbird7311 My thoughts exactly. I use psychology on scammers all the time, and it's the saaaaaaame thing every time: they over explain absolutely everything.

Yep, it was a rookie mistake.

Pro tip: if you are lying, don’t say unnecessary lies and tell the truth when it is safe to do so. Keep things short and don’t be overly specific with your story.

The less lie there is, the less opportunities they have to catch you lying, if you aren’t too specific, you can give yourself some wiggle room to bend the truth if someone gets suspicious.


Her parent's names are
Bich Ha Pan
Huei Hann Pan


" I paid them to kill me but they took my parents insted " is the shittiest lie I have ever heard.

@Kanton 4853 yeah, that’s why you get a lawyer. In this situation they knew she was culprit, but not all detectives are that good and you end up in situations where you can’t win

@Weathermanhjvk yeah, the investigator lied about an x ray satellite for spying on people, it basically made Jen hopeless since they have some evidence but they really don't.

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@Kanton 4853 it said it in the video, they can lie about most things except for specific questions like the jail sentence the suspect could potentially receive. Idk if that applies to witnesses or just people that are suspects, idk why they’d lie to someone they thought was innocent anyway

@Akanksha Sinha I think you’re talking about “The Confession Tapes” or something similar.

@chuuriahcarey exactly! Especially after she had previously told the detective that she had already tried to kill herself with sleeping pills before this incident😤😤 overall her lies just made no sense

There is this show on Netflix I am forgetting the name where a girl gets raped and during the investigation period she was asked what happened ? And she had to tell everything prescisely from the start to end . And she was asked the same question multiple times by multiple people and at the end she herself got soo frustrated and confused that ended up saying she staged the whole thing for attention even though she didn't. It was a scary show.

@Kanton 4853 technically... preventing rest is a form of torture... so... kind of a grey area? You cant just  claim "nap time now", but they have to observe human rights, so there are limitations to what they can do. Whether they follow those limitations is another matter, but could be a basis for an appeal so they probably dont push it too hard.

@Akanksha Sinha Yeah they are so good then there were events where the innocent thought that they are the criminal even though they fully know they are not.

This is some crazy stuff, I think the police are also allowed to lie Im not sure I've heard it before.

@Vijay poola Wait are you allowed to do that?

I think they would try to get you over and over again, but that would be funny.

investigator: "Okay did you murder your pa-"
You: "Okay! it's bed time!"

The way the last investigator manipulated her into blurting out the truth was just so good . The man is good at his game .

@chuuriahcarey The investigator pressured her so much, she is also very tired. The narrator explained the "Fear" and "Fatigue" stage, this would get a person to either talk, or get a liar to have their foundation made of lies fall apart.

I can definitely relate, when I was too lazy to do my homework I thought I could get away with lying. My teacher pressured me in front of the classes and told a stupid lie. My face was really red so he knew what was going on.

And yes, she already lost her mind that she committed suicide with her own lies. The lie was outrageously stupid.

Yeah. It was too absurd to be true even If the hitmen were malicious they would just take the entire family down. Not leaving a witness.

Especially after she asked “what would happen to ME ME ME?”


Am i the only one who got <b>Major</b> anxiety everytime they caught her in a lie or she contradicted a previous statement???

Am i the only one who got *Major* anxiety everytime they caught her in a lie or she contradicted a previous statement???

Naah but i cringe a lot when she gets caught in her own lies

Dude, right now these interrogators have me feeling like I’m guilty.

Whatever you do, don't watch this high.<br>I'm freaking out.

Whatever you do, don't watch this high.
I'm freaking out.

I had to leave the room to take a breather a couple of times.

Yes and I hate it. I don't want to feel bad for the murderer who could of just walked away from her parents instead of killing them.

yES in her second interview i was sat thinking 'nO honey that's nOT what you said the first time pattern uuuup"

I think bcs we unconsciously empathize with her after learning her background story, we start to put ourselves in her shoes

Alien Nastar omg yes, I have to skip some of it

I thought I was the only one. Also embarrasment, i had to pause for couple of minutes and relax my body.

No, because we have a natural curiosity to see someone beat the system. It's like our morbid fascination with Jessie James or Billy the Kid. They were in fact criminals. But we idolize them.

Part of us wants to see someone commit a crime and get away with it. But we don''t feel the same way if we are forced to empathize with the victim.

Why do we condone what Robin Hood did? He was a thief, after all. Stealing is never justifiable, so we are taught. So when we see someone blow it while being questioned, it hurts our ears. We think of how we would have done better under pressure.

That's why crime shows work so well I guess

It was too surreal and bizarre to relate emotionally.

No.That is the price you pay for being overly empathetic towards just about anyone who has a pulse regardless of how horrible they are. Like even though she may not be displaying remorse and is trying to pretend we still know she is very, very afraid of being caught in her lies and deceit. Like I can feel her hoping desperately that she can just maybe get through this without getting caught and sent to experience the horrors of prison.

@Noni Panda haha no, I was just looking things through her perspective and wondering what her mind must be going through during the interrogation.

I almost felt like I am sitting being questioned.

No, just genuine curiosity watching this

i had to pause multiple times bcs it made me feel anxious, though i struggle with anxiety naturally so maybe this just heightens things

YES but idk if it’s just my anxiety acting up 🤣

S A M E. I came across this comment while having an anxiety-induced break from watching.

OMG crazy how the mind works. I had anxiety listing to this.

I got so nervous, made me put my chips down

YES feel nervous for her but was rooting for the detective at the same time


She hated her parents and she was quite justified in this hatred as they were a pair of narcissists who cared nothing for their daughters emotional needs and aspirations.They saw her not as a person in her own right, but as property for the benefit of themselves. They saw her achievements not as hers, but as theirs.  They had to have a  "trophy" daughter who was a high achiever to bring glory to themselves.  She was an abused child who felt trapped and like a trapped animal she resorted to violence.  So the big smart coppers with all of their training took three interviews, lasting hours to bring her down.  Two experienced middle-aged men up against a lonely anxious girl barely; an adult.  Wow!  They could have gotten a confession out of her even if she hadn't have done it.

Did she have a history of violence? Did she abuse animals? Where was she on Hair's Psychopathy scale? A lot of people in her position take their own lives.  She chose to take their lives as her anger was turned  to the perpetrators of her misery, rather than inwards to herself. And she had a boyfriend she loved which gave her something to live for. What she did was irrational, horrible and illegal, but for a victim of continual emotional abuse at the hands of both parents quite understandable.

There but for the grace of God go I.

Judge not lest ye be judged.


Imagine if she hadn’t twisted her ankle.... she could be living a whole different life rn

Imagine if she hadn’t twisted her ankle.... she could be living a whole different life rn

@ObeseEmbryo fyi i am muting you because I anticipate more attacks from you solely relying on intentionally flawed reasoning

@ObeseEmbryo fyi i am muting you because I anticipate more attacks from you solely relying on intentionally flawed reasoning

@ObeseEmbryo you are clearly going to jump from being wrong about one thing to the next.  So let me formally declare victory because it is apparent that I have won here and I am tired of playing good v evil and defeating your flawed reasoning and rationalizations.  If it makes you feel better you can continue to pretend that you are right.  I set out to show that your not outsmarting anyone and I've done that

"Athletes get career ending injuries all the time, even multimillion dollar athletes.  Helicopter parents are very common.  It is not illegal to be a helicopter parent, therefore the government does not feel this is serious at all."<br>Racism was extrordinarily common back in the day. Back then it also was not a crime. That doesnt make it right. While bad parenting is not on the same level as racism, its still unhealthy. Also for the athletes lose their careers part, how does that make it right? Yes its common, but are you really going to say that its not wrong that they lose their careers? Other examples of common does not equal right, sickness(very common, very bad) sexism back then(very common, also bad) and the list goes on. Your working under the logic of majority goes, which is just a bad mindset in general

"Athletes get career ending injuries all the time, even multimillion dollar athletes.  Helicopter parents are very common.  It is not illegal to be a helicopter parent, therefore the government does not feel this is serious at all."
Racism was extrordinarily common back in the day. Back then it also was not a crime. That doesnt make it right. While bad parenting is not on the same level as racism, its still unhealthy. Also for the athletes lose their careers part, how does that make it right? Yes its common, but are you really going to say that its not wrong that they lose their careers? Other examples of common does not equal right, sickness(very common, very bad) sexism back then(very common, also bad) and the list goes on. Your working under the logic of majority goes, which is just a bad mindset in general

@john levine Your point about how athlete accidents and helicopter parents are common doesnt work here, because I can empathize with them too. You keep bringing in the murder, but thats blatantly not what Im relating too. Look, no one is saying shes in the right or that shes not a monster, but their saying that at some points of her life, she has been wronged, just like every other person in the world. Thats not an excuse thats just a fact

@john levine how is me saying toxic parenthood is bad and losing your career is bad making an excuse. FIrst of all, I've worked most of my life towards a goal and the last thing I want is to have that taken away from me, so in that moment of her life, I can sympathize, because thats something I can relate to. Again, that one moment in her life. Let me reiterate that again. That one specific moment of her life that I can relate too. Thats why I can sympathize with that specific point. Nowhere in my statements does it say that I am empathizing with the murder itself nor am I saying its right just because something wrong happened to her. The same applies to totalitarian parenthood, where I've both seen and experienced the negative mental and emotional aspects it has on people, so I that sense, I can relate and empathize with THAT SPECIFIC ASPECT OF HER LIFE. Its 2 moments that I empathize with, because I can understand that aspect. You keep bringing in the murders, but thats not what Im empathizing with here. I dont care about her nature during the murders nor her mindset because thats not what Im sympathizing with.

@john levine how is me saying toxic parenthood is bad and losing your career is bad making an excuse. FIrst of all, I've worked most of my life towards a goal and the last thing I want is to have that taken away from me, so in that moment of her life, I can sympathize, because thats something I can relate to. Again, that one moment in her life. Let me reiterate that again. *That one specific moment of her life that I can relate too.* Thats why I can sympathize with *that specific point.* Nowhere in my statements does it say that I am empathizing with the murder itself nor am I saying its right just because something wrong happened to her. The same applies to totalitarian parenthood, where I've both seen and experienced the negative mental and emotional aspects it has on people, so I that sense, I can relate and empathize with *THAT SPECIFIC ASPECT OF HER LIFE.* Its 2 moments that I empathize with, because I can understand that aspect. You keep bringing in the murders, but thats not what Im empathizing with here. I dont care about her nature during the murders nor her mindset because thats not what Im sympathizing with.

@ObeseEmbryo Harming a wrongdoer is not a wrong when justified, such as locking up this murderer for life, that is a good deed.  However, unjustly harming another is a wrong.  Whether you know it or not, you are making excuses.  Athletes get career ending injuries all the time, even multimillion dollar athletes.  Helicopter parents are very common.  It is not illegal to be a helicopter parent, therefore the government does not feel this is serious at all.  Do not compare a parent who imposed a 9pm curfew to some ditz who really should not have been out, to Hitler.  That is just one illustration of how harming a murderer is not a wrong.  Her parents are heroes and without them the murderer would have been roaming the streets at night.  This person was going to end up in prison no matter how her life unfolded because she is a monster.  When something bad happens to a monster, people do not empathize, they celebrate.  Are you ready to admit that this murderer is inhuman?  No normal person would have reacted as she did in this situation, so she would have acted irregularly at other stages of her life.  Empathize-understand and share the feelings of another.  This murderer has no feelings, the video proves that

@john levine your acting like Im trying to justify the murders. No, all Im saying is that I can see the tragedy in 2 of the things in the context mentioned in the video, her injury and a totalitarian parenthood, which btw totalitarian is not a word with positive connotations. Its tied to people like Hitler, Stalin, etc and is known for making people yearn freedom, so you cant really sit here and say that is all peachy keen to live under those conditions. Even those succeed under that kind of parenthood despise it. So as you can see, those 2 things are the 2 things I can empathize with. That doesnt justify the murder as I have stated multiple times, so I dont see why your treating this like Im making excuses for her.

@john levine its not a childish idiom to say 2 wrongs dont make a right. The last statement you made literally says "her motive is not an excuse." Thats literally 2 wrongs dont make a right, where her childhood is the motive where there were wrongs that happened and her murder is the second wrong. Her childhood did not justify the murder, therefore those 2 wrongs did not make a right. Thats a massive contradiction in your statements

@john levine but Im not talking about an excuse. Empathy isn't justification

@john levine but Im not talking about an excuse. Empathy isn't justification

@ObeseEmbryo I see you strongly identify with the childish idiom that 2 wrongs do not make a right.  You should know that essentially every government on this earth disagrees with this belief.

@ObeseEmbryo I see you strongly identify with the childish idiom that 2 wrongs do not make a right.  You should know that essentially every government on this earth disagrees with this belief.

@ObeseEmbryo a motive is not a reason just like an excuse is not a reason.  There is no excuse to murder anyone.  Your failure to comprehend what happens to a murderer, that triggers their murderous instinct, does not justify further incomprehensible actions by the murderer.  Trust that murders are not normal people and never were.  In this instance, this person did not have anything tragic happen to her.  There are many people who face greater challenges and do not murder or commit any wrong doing at all.

@Benny Boy again, im done with this now. If you wanna respond more, I'll read them but I'll prolly leave it at this. No one will change their opinion here, and nothing will be accomplished so I no longer see the point

@Benny Boy again, im done with this now. If you wanna respond more, I'll read them but I'll prolly leave it at this. No one will change their opinion here, and nothing will be accomplished so I no longer see the point

@Benny Boy and again, I gave my reasons for empathizing. I gave my opinion. If your best response to someone else's opinion is to call them stupid, dodge questions, twist words then complains about someone else "twisting" your words when all they did was give a new perspective, and then go for a holier than thou attitude, your opinion prolly isn't that well supported

@Benny Boy and again, I gave my reasons for empathizing. I gave my opinion. If your best response to someone else's opinion is to call them stupid, dodge questions, twist words then complains about someone else "twisting" your words when all they did was give a new perspective, and then go for a holier than thou attitude, your opinion prolly isn't that well supported

@Benny Boy that extremely disingenuous. Just because you didnt say it doesnt mean it automatically doesnt apply. You were the first person call someone stupid and accused them of empathizing in the first place, even though in a technical standpoint they said nothing about empathizing. Why is it ok when you bring in an new point, but not when I do it? Thats textbook hypocrisy

@Benny Boy that extremely disingenuous. Just because you didnt say it doesnt mean it automatically doesnt apply. You were the first person call someone stupid and accused them of empathizing in the first place, even though in a technical standpoint they said nothing about empathizing. Why is it ok when you bring in an new point, but not when I do it? Thats textbook hypocrisy

@ObeseEmbryo considering empathy comes from the limbic system and not the frontal lobe, you could actually make an argument that it is stupid and un logical to feel empathy... so at this point even science doesn't care about your subjective feelings lmao

@ObeseEmbryo considering empathy comes from the limbic system and not the frontal lobe, you could actually make an argument that it is stupid and un logical to feel empathy... so at this point even science doesn't care about your subjective feelings lmao

@ObeseEmbryo with all the context in this situation yes you are a smooth brain if you think empathy should be a given for this situation

@ObeseEmbryo with all the context in this situation yes you are a smooth brain if you think empathy should be a given for this situation

@ObeseEmbryo could you atleast explain why you use irrelevant points to defend something I didn't even say lmao

@ObeseEmbryo could you atleast explain why you use irrelevant points to defend something I didn't even say lmao

@Benny Boy Again, we'll never agree on this, so we might as well end this. I gave my reasons for my opinions and you gave yours. No point in going on

@Benny Boy Again, we'll never agree on this, so we might as well end this. I gave my reasons for my opinions and you gave yours. No point in going on

@Benny Boy I dont think u understand a single word I said. Im saying its natural for someone to feel empathy and its not a stupid thing as you said originally. While you may not feel empathetic, its not stupid. I believe people feel empathy where someone was wronged, which is why I brought it 2 wrongs dont make a right, because there were wrongs in her life. With that logic, the hypotheticals did apply to what I was saying, and just because you werent the one who brought in a argument doesnt mean it doesnt apply.

@ObeseEmbryo for your hypothetical to actually be tied to this situation you'd need a murder for it to  be relevant to the case, just asking me if I would be empathetic to someone who's  dream was ruined is disingenuous considering the context of this case, yes I would be empathetic if someone's dream was ruined, but I happen to know more then just that about this case, why would I feel sympathy for someone who failed in every possible way they could, and still thought the correct answer was to murder her parents

@ObeseEmbryo yeah I personally believed nature had a bigger impact on her decision then nurture, its not like her parents beat her,   they were helicopter parents meaning they cared about her a little to much, the abuse that's being talked about wouldn't even hold up in court as "abuse"

@ObeseEmbryo yeah I personally believed nature had a bigger impact on her decision then nurture, its not like her parents beat her,   they were helicopter parents meaning they cared about her a little to much, the abuse that's being talked about wouldn't even hold up in court as "abuse"

@ObeseEmbryo did I ever argue in favor of two wrongs making a right? You love just typing stuff huh

@ObeseEmbryo did I ever argue in favor of two wrongs making a right? You love just typing stuff huh

@Martin Henzl Get off your high horse, buddy. Life isn't that simple and yours isn't perfect either. OP has a got a point, you don't. I sure believe you only make good decisions in tough times don't you? Sure, sure.

@Martin Henzl Get off your high horse, buddy. Life isn't that simple and yours isn't perfect either. OP has a got a point, you don't. I sure believe you only make good decisions in tough times don't you? Sure, sure.

@Ashish Saha no this human was genuinely lazy she murdered her parents to get out of getting a job because losing her financial support was too much to handle please don’t sympathise with a murder if surfers can break their neck and still get back out there after that a knee injury isn’t that bad

@Ashish Saha no this human was genuinely lazy she murdered her parents to get out of getting a job because losing her financial support was too much to handle please don’t sympathise with a murder if surfers can break their neck and still get back out there after that a knee injury isn’t that bad

@Hazedanddazed well maybe it is and that’s why she is able to walk but she is physically unfit for figure skating now.

@Hazedanddazed well maybe it is and that’s why she is able to walk but she is physically unfit for figure skating now.

@Ashish Saha still fixable through physio

@Ashish Saha still fixable through physio

@Benny Boy I dont think we'll ever agree so this conversation is pointless. You have your beliefs and i'll have mine and we'll keep it at that

@Benny Boy I dont think we'll ever agree so this conversation is pointless. You have your beliefs and i'll have mine and we'll keep it at that

@john levine there can definitely be reasons. Murders almost always have a motive, and while this one definitely have a very weak one, there are definitely reasons to empathize. If a rape victim kills their assaulter, I would empathize to some degree. 2 wrongs dont make a right, and just because she had the bigger wrong doesn't automatically nullify any bad thing,  and most people empathize when something bad happens. In addition, you dont have to like someone to empathize. I doubt anyone who is sympathizing with her, actually likes or agrees with her, but can agree what happened to her, is tragic. I dont believe thats a stupid thing to do, like the other comment stated.

@Benny Boy hypotheticals represent a new perspective that show how specific logistics would not apply. For example, most of the theoretical were to prove that 2 wrongs dont make a right. It shows that just because one person commits a bigger crime, it doesn't nullify the first mistake. Its just different situations with overlapping beliefs.

@Benny Boy hypotheticals represent a new perspective that show how specific logistics would not apply. For example, most of the theoretical were to prove that 2 wrongs dont make a right. It shows that just because one person commits a bigger crime, it doesn't nullify the first mistake. Its just different situations with overlapping beliefs.

@ObeseEmbryo I was responding to your theoretical situation, of course we know almost everything about this case, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing it

@ObeseEmbryo I was responding to your theoretical situation, of course we know almost everything about this case, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing it

@ObeseEmbryo theres no reason to emphasize with a murderer on any level for any reason.  If her life had been worse before the murder then that would have been great luck for us all. Unfortunately, she had a good life at times

@ObeseEmbryo theres no reason to emphasize with a murderer on any level for any reason.  If her life had been worse before the murder then that would have been great luck for us all. Unfortunately, she had a good life at times

@Mr.Fishstick _YT her friends included her boyfriend who hired 3 hitmen to kill both parents.  Also, moral integrity is not formed only by people around you

@Mr.Fishstick _YT her friends included her boyfriend who hired 3 hitmen to kill both parents.  Also, moral integrity is not formed only by people around you

@Mr.Fishstick _YT You say this isn't heartless and also that it is out of pure hate

@Mr.Fishstick _YT You say this isn't heartless and also that it is out of pure hate

@ObeseEmbryo did you mean break their arm in revenge? You are allowed to use non-lethal force during a robbery in progress.  Why point out the mistake of persons which unjustly result in their murder?

@ObeseEmbryo did you mean break their arm in revenge? You are allowed to use non-lethal force during a robbery in progress.  Why point out the mistake of persons which unjustly result in their murder?

@Adventure Time _ Some kids feel abused and say they hate and want to kill their parents when they get a white iPhone instead of gold one... I don't know much about what her parents did to her, only what I heard in the video (and what I mentioned in my first comment). Wanting her to get a better education than just elementary, to date not a criminal and to be friends with better people than murderers is not that much to ask... If she feels abused by those requests, I cannot say much more to that.

@Benny Boy what point did I make about the murder? Again, nothing I've said is meant to justify the murder but to justify why someone would feel empathetic. I havent made a single point about why the murder is justified so what do you mean? My point so far has been 1) toxic parenting is bad, and 2) People losing their livelihood is bad. Are you seriously going to continue like this is an extremely controversial take?

Subjective. I do think if she took it out on innocent people it would have been more fucked up. But people like her, the Menendez brothers who only take it out on the abuser kinda make sense

Subjective. I do think if she took it out on innocent people it would have been more fucked up. But people like her, the Menendez brothers who only take it out on the abuser kinda make sense

@Mohammed A It's not ridiculous to empathize anyone. Especially when it comes to a young woman in love. Our task is to draw an important lesson from this, so that in the future there will be fewer such cases. And without compassion and an attempt to understand the actions of this person, this is simply impossible.

@Mohammed A It's not ridiculous to empathize anyone. Especially when it comes to a young woman in love. Our task is to draw an important lesson from this, so that in the future there will be fewer such cases. And without compassion and an attempt to understand the actions of this person, this is simply impossible.

@Lance Williams And she could be a spacegoat in different universe. World is just full of possibilities.

@Lance Williams And she could be a spacegoat in different universe. World is just full of possibilities.

@ObeseEmbryo and thats a horrible point to have about somebody killing their parents

@ObeseEmbryo and thats a horrible point to have about somebody killing their parents

@Benny Boy Also what do you mean you dont know the full context. The video tells you she worked for a decade to build up an athletic career only to get a permanent injury that would bar her from the career and hobby she has been in for years. Its pretty straightfoward. It doesnt justify murder, but should we sit here and act like it wasnt a tragic thing either? No because it is very obviously tragic.

@Benny Boy again, your avoiding my point. My point is that you dont have to be the most oppressed to be oppressed. I think thats a very basic and simple concept to understand.

@Benny Boy again, your avoiding my point. My point is that you dont have to be the most oppressed to be oppressed. I think thats a very basic and simple concept to understand.

@Lance Williams that’s not the point of the comment...

@Lance Williams that’s not the point of the comment...

@Mr.Fishstick _YT somebody can live a completely healthy life with loving parents, and still be morally incorrect, at the end of the day YOU choose your actions tf

@Mr.Fishstick _YT somebody can live a completely healthy life with loving parents, and still be morally incorrect, at the end of the day YOU choose your actions tf

@Jenny Ah yes, her abusive parents would've been less abusive if she was World Class Athlete at the age of four.

Sorry that we interpreted your comment as "It was all her fault, her life would've been perfect."

@Jenny Ah yes, her abusive parents would've been less abusive if she was World Class Athlete at the age of four.

Sorry that we interpreted your comment as "It was all her fault, her life would've been perfect."

I guess people just can’t read anymore and want to understand things wrong on purpouse.

Her life COULD have been way different if that tiny thing hasn’t happened.
The purpouse of my comment was that sometimes huge changes in life can me affected by the tiniest thing. And I found that facinating.
So I commented about that.

And now people think I think that what she did was right ect.

Bruh

I guess people just can’t read anymore and want to understand things wrong on purpouse.

Her life COULD have been way different if that tiny thing hasn’t happened.
The purpouse of my comment was that sometimes huge changes in life can me affected by the tiniest thing. And I found that facinating.
So I commented about that.

And now people think I think that what she did was right ect.

Bruh

@Michael Tao thats why I said IT COULD HAVE BEEN.

@Michael Tao thats why I said IT COULD HAVE BEEN.

What? No, imagine if her parents WEREN'T FUCKING CRAZY.

What? No, imagine if her parents WEREN'T FUCKING CRAZY.

Can everyone just agree to disagree because no matter how much you or I think we are right we aren’t going to change either of each other’s mind set. Thank you

Can everyone just agree to disagree because no matter how much you or I think we are right we aren’t going to change either of each other’s mind set. Thank you

@Martin Henzl yes but she was still abused, she shouldnt have killed her parents but the hatred did not come out of nowhere

@Martin Henzl yes but she was still abused, she shouldnt have killed her parents but the hatred did not come out of nowhere

@ObeseEmbryo fortnite in the moon light?

@ObeseEmbryo fortnite in the moon light?

@Tu Gfa if you are going to read more into things than what is actually there, then there isn't a foundation of reasonableness for us to start on in the first place. I humbly decline to continue this interaction.

@Tu Gfa if you are going to read more into things than what is actually there, then there isn't a foundation of reasonableness for us to start on in the first place. I humbly decline to continue this interaction.

@Creon "Honestly it's pretty insulting to all the many people who grew up in households that were less than ideal but managed to get out of it and cope with it in a regular way (many of whom have been in much worse home lives than this girl) and haven't murdered their parents to attempt to empathize with her and in a way try to relate to the decision of her getting her parents murdered."

It is so called survival bias. You hear about one or two sucessful people coming from less then ideal circumstances - usually small business owners, so you say "many people". In fact criminals typically recruit from child abuse, and in case of asian countries, young people have record suicide rate. And her mom was a tiger mum. "Many" people that you are talking about  compose suicide statistics, but you will hear about the two businessman persons. And why particulary businessmen? Illiterate people are able to conduct business in underdeveloped countries. This is one of the examples of job for which  you need more talent then  education (the last thing parents money or at least place at home). The rest who is not a criminal, dead or business owner, will end up in worst jobs. Child abuse changes chemistry of brain and expression of genes.

I shouldn't be laughing THIS HARD..but ye, minor complications envelope into something much more overtime and I bet that waz a trigger...unfortunately so..

I shouldn't be laughing THIS HARD..but ye, minor complications envelope into something much more overtime and I bet that waz a trigger...unfortunately so..

@Mr.Fishstick _YT She's a 24 year old adult. Sure she hated them, but at 24 she's old enough to move out and deal with her life like other 24 year olds. She had my sympathy until she planned to murder her parents. She was given the choice "Stay at home and go to school" or "move out and do whatever you want, but we won't give you money". Guess what, most people who move out don't get support payments from Mom and Dad ... they get a job.<br>She was damaged by her parents for sure. But so many many people don't resort to murder.

@Mr.Fishstick _YT She's a 24 year old adult. Sure she hated them, but at 24 she's old enough to move out and deal with her life like other 24 year olds. She had my sympathy until she planned to murder her parents. She was given the choice "Stay at home and go to school" or "move out and do whatever you want, but we won't give you money". Guess what, most people who move out don't get support payments from Mom and Dad ... they get a job.
She was damaged by her parents for sure. But so many many people don't resort to murder.

@Ashish Saha intriguing discussion. Also there are people among us who were put in similar situation. That being said, not many was set on the possible way to Olimpics.

@Ashish Saha intriguing discussion. Also there are people among us who were put in similar situation. That being said, not many was set on the possible way to Olimpics.

@Mr.Fishstick _YT because a harder life makes you a stronger person unless you’re weak minded

@Mr.Fishstick _YT because a harder life makes you a stronger person unless you’re weak minded

Honestly it's pretty insulting to all the many people who grew up in households that were less than ideal but managed to get out of it and cope with it in a regular way (many of whom have been in much worse home lives than this girl) and haven't murdered their parents to attempt to empathize with her and in a way try to relate to the decision of her getting her parents murdered. People go through much worse things than her, and she could of moved out at any time. She didn't. She was living off her parents and as a result was still affected by their house rules. She had many other options before resorting to murder. Just move out and get a job. End contact with them if they're abusive. Live your life with your boyfriend. Make your own rules. By doing none of that she wasn't helping herself in any way. I feel no sympathy or empathy for her whatsoever because what she did was so far in the evil end of her options that it's not relatable at all. And having toxic parents you could easily leave is no excuse or mitigating factor. It damaging to the all the individuals who get past that kind of thing and be normal and good people. She's a spoilt bitch who didn't get her way and didn't like it so she wanted to kill her parents to get them out the way. She deserves no empathy or sympathy.

@haakke This isn't psychological stress, this is greed for money she didn't earn. If she just had psychological stress there's literally no reason why she didn't just move in with Daniel. No excuse.

@haakke This isn't psychological stress, this is greed for money she didn't earn. If she just had psychological stress there's literally no reason why she didn't just move in with Daniel. No excuse.

@Hi Ich Bin Barney You said it, there are parents who want their kids to have straight As. And some just want you to not date a drug dealer, deal around with murderers, and finish more than just an elementary school. Not too much to ask, I think...

@Hi Ich Bin Barney You said it, there are parents who want their kids to have straight As. And some just want you to not date a drug dealer, deal around with murderers, and finish more than just an elementary school. Not too much to ask, I think...

@Martin Henzl failing school is not entirely a matter of being unintelligent. It could be a learning disorder for example. But schools only are able to measure very few types of intelligence. obviously she was very good at lying to be able to fool her parents that she went to college and got a degree. I know a dude who flunked highschool but he's very intelligent.

@Martin Henzl failing school is not entirely a matter of being unintelligent. It could be a learning disorder for example. But schools only are able to measure very few types of intelligence. obviously she was very good at lying to be able to fool her parents that she went to college and got a degree. I know a dude who flunked highschool but he's very intelligent.

@grayson4physique most people don't experience the type of abuse she experienced consistently for years. and the people who do may not end up murderers but they end up with tons of mental issues. this type of parenting is common in asian countries and they have VERY high suicide rates, because these kids end up with very warped senses of self worth as adults.

this type of abuse will break the child mentally. it will fuck them up. and youre right most dont end up murderers, most just end up dead themselves. Not entirely much better.

@haakke she is a 24 yr old. She should be able to be independent and wouldnt be in this situation if she made better decisions

@haakke she is a 24 yr old. She should be able to be independent and wouldnt be in this situation if she made better decisions

To OP: pls edit your comment (ankle——>knee)

To OP: pls edit your comment (ankle——>knee)

@Martin Henzl Tbh having your dream crushed like that can certainly change your perspective of the world to the worse. And some dumb idiots don't really realize that there are other ways of getting by for different people. Parents wanting their kids to get straight a's are kind of the worst. All parents wanting their kids to live what they couldn't are really stretching what a parent should be giving a child on the way.

my god I am jus replying people for hours straight, what is wrong with me lol

my god I am jus replying people for hours straight, what is wrong with me lol

@Malus Sylvestris I hope u have your internet connection back. You have written the comment three times, if you are reading this then pls delete two of them(I don’t wanna be a complain”er” or something like that but the comments are really big, that’s why i am asking you to do this)

@Malus Sylvestris I hope u have your internet connection back. You have written the comment three times, if you are reading this then pls delete two of them(I don’t wanna be a complain”er” or something like that but the comments are really big, that’s why i am asking you to do this)

@wthpam I mean, yes, my tendency is to look at the definition that has the most relevance to the word, and it's gravity. When someone says "child abuse" most people think of more serious application then being authoritarian.

@wthpam I mean, yes, my tendency is to look at the definition that has the most relevance to the word, and it's gravity. When someone says "child abuse" most people think of more serious application then being authoritarian.

@Jacob Bau hahah the right choice is work ur ass off and dominate and become successful easy

@Jacob Bau hahah the right choice is work ur ass off and dominate and become successful easy

@Deleted Account yeah because you obviously referenced a dictionary definition and didn't make an effort to research for the full definition. You do know abuse comes in different forms right?

@Deleted Account yeah because you obviously referenced a dictionary definition and didn't make an effort to research for the full definition. You do know abuse comes in different forms right?

@Aireen Krizea Clarete no, she had an accident which broke her knee

@Aireen Krizea Clarete no, she had an accident which broke her knee

@Martin Henzl Dating a drug dealer and living with your parents at 24 aren’t bad things. Especially living at your parents at 24 since life is tough and you have to be able to afford living on your own. If you don’t have atleast 800-1200 to spend on rent or 250.000 to buy a house, you’re stuck AND there barely are houses available here in the netherlands.

@Martin Henzl Dating a drug dealer and living with your parents at 24 aren’t bad things. Especially living at your parents at 24 since life is tough and you have to be able to afford living on your own. If you don’t have atleast 800-1200 to spend on rent or 250.000 to buy a house, you’re stuck AND there barely are houses available here in the netherlands.

@Benny Boy Obviously you don't understand the situation. Children with lives broken by parents, usually stay longer with parents. Becouse parents' mistakes stopped them from gaining desired education level/financial fluidity. Which deepens the hatred. And having financial cushion of parents house gives you possibility of starting over/starting on another path. If you are not depressed or did not develop problems becouse of what happened.  Alternative is going straight to the jobs, where all gain is eaten by costs of life, which means no possibility of changing branch. AND the feel of being wronged becouse this situation is not result of choice, but parents mistakes for which the adult child is supposed to pay.

Jennifer's parents put all eggs into one basket, setting her on career path that is the easiest to fail (any injury can terminate that) and has time expiration date (career for young people). After she lost all of that, she did not recived psychological help, or I did not hear this. So she lost her childhood to many hours trainigs, she lost her passion and had no alternatives, due to bad grades. It is difficult for avarage person to fail getting into desired university path. But she lost something outstanding, high level, and she was left with the worst prospects due to the low grades. And her parents kept pushing her for next 10 years. This is not  a bit over average wanna be archeologist failing to get to archeology and being a bit over the average economist. She got from near the top to bottom on professional field.

EDIT: and some people belive that remedy to broken career would be moving out from home and getting into the jobs she can be hired, meaning the worst of the worst. I did watch one more movie and it is very apparent that police id focused on gaining evidence against her. You will not learn that she was a good student before suddenly diving in high school, which strengthens my suspicion about some developed troubles during tiger mom's parenting.

@wthpam Anyways, by law, what they did was not child abuse. Sentencing-wise, they could not be charged for child abuse, even if the break-in never happened, because we can all have our different thoughts, but in the end, there is a court of law that decides what is, and what isn't. They by far outlaw any of out thoughts on this, put short.

@wthpam Anyways, by law, what they did was not child abuse. Sentencing-wise, they could not be charged for child abuse, even if the break-in never happened, because we can all have our different thoughts, but in the end, there is a court of law that decides what is, and what isn't. They by far outlaw any of out thoughts on this, put short.

@Allan Dexter14 nope she twisted her knee

@Allan Dexter14 nope she twisted her knee

@wthpam You say 'read again' when it is blatantly clear we read 2 different definitions.

@wthpam You say 'read again' when it is blatantly clear we read 2 different definitions.

@Hazedanddazed I think the video told that she had twisted knees, not ankle…. so i think that is reaaly severe(not sure tho)

@Hazedanddazed I think the video told that she had twisted knees, not ankle…. so i think that is reaaly severe(not sure tho)

@wthpam I'm flattered that you think I'm a grown man! It's a common misconception people on YoutTube make, which is understandable. I don't believe you were "talking" to them. As 1: You never directly replied to any of them 2: You wrote the comment in the narrative that you were somewhat distained with them, but talking to an audience of people who were not on their side ( to somehow evoke a reply from the people you mentioned ) and 3: You just mentioned them, as if you were talking behind their backs, while hoping they somehow 'noticed' your critique of their thinking. All of this is beside the point, I'm laughing at you for thinking that by making a public reply on YouTube, you expect a reply from only a set amount of people who you claim you were 'talking to' while not even using their '@' meaning in turn they would not get your notification, making it more likely a random person ( me ) who was scrolling through the replies would respond. Surprised you didn't have the common sense to think that through, as it barely takes any- hahah, intellect.

@Sufyan ALi as long as your not shaming someone else for empathizing its fine to have that opinion. I'm just explaining reasons why someone would be empathetic

@Sufyan ALi as long as your not shaming someone else for empathizing its fine to have that opinion. I'm just explaining reasons why someone would be empathetic

I was waiting for the entire video for this “twisted her ankle” thing, thinking that was the final straw of how she was caught, now i realize you were talking about how she hurt her knee figure skating... not an ankle lol

I was waiting for the entire video for this “twisted her ankle” thing, thinking that was the final straw of how she was caught, now i realize you were talking about how she hurt her knee figure skating... not an ankle lol

i mean her knees were twisted ..not the ankle i think

i mean her knees were twisted ..not the ankle i think

@Martin Henzl making c’s isn’t THAT bad you dork lmaooo why was that grouped in with the murder stuff like its showing of ones character 😂

@Martin Henzl making c’s isn’t THAT bad you dork lmaooo why was that grouped in with the murder stuff like its showing of ones character 😂

@Deleted Account "What is child abuse? Child abuse is when a parent or caregiver, whether through action or failing to act, causes injury, death, emotional harm or risk of serious harm to a child. There are many forms of child maltreatment, including neglect, physical abuse, sexual abuse, exploitation and emotional abuse." read again LMAO

@Deleted Account "What is child abuse? Child abuse is when a parent or caregiver, whether through action or failing to act, causes injury, death, emotional harm or risk of serious harm to a child. There are many forms of child maltreatment, including neglect, physical abuse, sexual abuse, exploitation and emotional abuse." read again LMAO

@Deleted Account ok lmao u know what, it's fine, stay defensive for all i care. i wasn't talking to u in the first place and you yourself should recognize that, but then i realized i'm talking to a grown man  who plays roblox.

@Deleted Account ok lmao u know what, it's fine, stay defensive for all i care. i wasn't talking to u in the first place and you yourself should recognize that, but then i realized i'm talking to a grown man  who plays roblox.

@Mr. ElectriDictator Child absue definition: "physical maltreatment or sexual molestation of a child." I have a feeling you can't tell the difference between overly strict parenting, and child abuse.

@Mr. ElectriDictator Child absue definition: "physical maltreatment or sexual molestation of a child." I have a feeling you can't tell the difference between overly strict parenting, and child abuse.

@wthpam That does not invalidate my point.

@wthpam That does not invalidate my point.

@Mohammed A if police had that same attitude they wouldn’t have bothered to catch her. You shouldn’t take anything at face value and the motives matter. She clearly broke the law and made the wrong choice, but her parents would most likely be alive if they had made different choices. It all matters.

@Mohammed A if police had that same attitude they wouldn’t have bothered to catch her. You shouldn’t take anything at face value and the motives matter. She clearly broke the law and made the wrong choice, but her parents would most likely be alive if they had made different choices. It all matters.

@Benny Boy No, she murdered them over child abuse.

@Benny Boy No, she murdered them over child abuse.

@Deleted Account i understand, but you didn't need to if you knew you weren't part of the people i was pertaining to. i won't make an effort to mention and @ every single person after all hehe.

@Deleted Account i understand, but you didn't need to if you knew you weren't part of the people i was pertaining to. i won't make an effort to mention and @ every single person after all hehe.

@wthpam Well you referring to some people in the replies who have a similar opinion on this. That is why I responded.

@wthpam Well you referring to some people in the replies who have a similar opinion on this. That is why I responded.

@Deleted Account oh i wasn't talking to u 😅

@Deleted Account oh i wasn't talking to u 😅

@wthpam I meant sympathy in the previous reply.

@wthpam I meant sympathy in the previous reply.

Id imagine she twisted her ankle because her parents kept pushing and pushing her until something bad happened. Ultimately, what your parents do to you will shape you up into what you grow up into and because of her parents constant expectations and pressure on her, it led her to what happened. Im a stronge believer in that you dont have a child of your own blood and flesh just to treat them in such a way where the child is depressed, goes to drug addictted boys, and wants to die or have their parents dead. Because of what their parents decided to do for their child, the mom is dead, the dad is badly hurt for life, and the daughter is wasting away in jail and nobody wins.

@Malus Sylvestris exactly! Especially the last part about staying w/ your parents until being financially stable- why would anyone put themselves into such an awfully crippling financial situation if not bc they had literally no other choice? People make fun of her for smth as basic as that when truly the dumber decision would be to let go of her $ support, this is the way things work in my country as well

It boggles my mind that there are people who seem to interpret your comment as excusing murderer. Also it means that there is a long way before PREVENTING murders will be something remotely recognizeble in society. In far surroundings among my accquintances was a boy who exceled at mathematics on national level. He started to be ill. Maybe depressed. It affected his learning abilities. By age 24 he was doing drugs, and he commited suicide. <br>Even failing to get to dream university path is painful for average person. People who absolutely excel at something and lose this have much more to cope with. In case of Jennifer - she lost her childhood and all hours long training. If she liked what she was doing, she lost her passion. What's more she was left with nothing, becouse there was no alternative becouse of low marks. So her parents set her on a path that is the easiest to fail, becouse any injury will cut the dream. It is temporary path, only for young people. Additionally putting pressure would meddle her mind. Without any professional alternative (music, painting, care for animals, whatever) Next - after she lost everything at 14, apparently they did not give her psychological help, or I did not hear this. Then she landed in situation where her peers were set on her path and she was not. To everyone who is dealing with similar situation: about age 20 you start to hurt becouse of your childhood. But it does get better about 30. And btw, someone picks at her living with parents at 24. What is wrong with this? Half of 30 years olds in my country live like this, becouse people are not idiots to get into debts when there is roof possible to live. No one would like a partner with debts in a country where university level education is free.

It boggles my mind that there are people who seem to interpret your comment as excusing murderer. Also it means that there is a long way before PREVENTING murders will be something remotely recognizeble in society. In far surroundings among my accquintances was a boy who exceled at mathematics on national level. He started to be ill. Maybe depressed. It affected his learning abilities. By age 24 he was doing drugs, and he commited suicide.
Even failing to get to dream university path is painful for average person. People who absolutely excel at something and lose this have much more to cope with. In case of Jennifer - she lost her childhood and all hours long training. If she liked what she was doing, she lost her passion. What's more she was left with nothing, becouse there was no alternative becouse of low marks. So her parents set her on a path that is the easiest to fail, becouse any injury will cut the dream. It is temporary path, only for young people. Additionally putting pressure would meddle her mind. Without any professional alternative (music, painting, care for animals, whatever) Next - after she lost everything at 14, apparently they did not give her psychological help, or I did not hear this. Then she landed in situation where her peers were set on her path and she was not. To everyone who is dealing with similar situation: about age 20 you start to hurt becouse of your childhood. But it does get better about 30. And btw, someone picks at her living with parents at 24. What is wrong with this? Half of 30 years olds in my country live like this, becouse people are not idiots to get into debts when there is roof possible to live. No one would like a partner with debts in a country where university level education is free.

sure it came from a perspective and mentality of pain and vengeance, but what typical person executes something like this? im sure everybody in this comment section has experienced emotional manipulation and ties to abuse, but are they being interrogated? NO! because they didn't organize a cold blooded, ruthless, disempathetic, premeditated murder.

sure it came from a perspective and mentality of pain and vengeance, but what typical person executes something like this? im sure everybody in this comment section has experienced emotional manipulation and ties to abuse, but are they being interrogated? NO! because they didn't organize a cold blooded, ruthless, disempathetic, premeditated murder.

@Mohammed A girl went through a lifetime of abuse, a lot of it due to being compared to others, what you do? compare the way she dealt w/ the situation w/ the way others do. It's blood boiling to see people that don't understand the impact that this type of authoritarianism has on people talk about it as something that can be brushed off. There's nothing ""slightly relatable"" about this, it's just plain tragic. Living the rest of your life with the consequences of constant belittlement is arguably worse. It's at the very least understandable why she did what she did, albeit not necessarily righteous. You should feel ridiculous indeed.

@Mr.Fishstick _YT bro killing is not good and cases like these can Cannot justify it she’s 24 a adult and she still acting like a kid

@Mr.Fishstick _YT bro killing is not good and cases like these can Cannot justify it she’s 24 a adult and she still acting like a kid

@Benny Boy I get what you mean by some people had harder lives, but if we applied that logic anywhere else, it wouldn't hold up. Imagine if she applied that logic by saying "oh Im not that bad Hitler killed more people therefore he was worse than me." Its not a competition to be the most oppressed or the worse person and I don't think you would be singing the same tune if she tried that. And how is bringing up another evil justification for the first evil? 2 wrongs dont make a right thats common knowledge by now

@Benny Boy you literally called someone stupid for having empathy. You can't pull the "no one needs to believe in your beliefs" card because that makes you blatantly hypocritical. Why are you allowed to criticize someone elses opinion, but Im not allowed to criticize your opinion.

@Benny Boy you literally called someone stupid for having empathy. You can't pull the "no one needs to believe in your beliefs" card because that makes you blatantly hypocritical. Why are you allowed to criticize someone elses opinion, but Im not allowed to criticize your opinion.

@Benny Boy see this is why I brought in the word justify. Your bringing in the murder in the situation of a life changing accident, which would be irrelevant in feeling empathy unless you thought I was trying to <b>justify</b> the murder with it. My only statement was that if your life was ruined, you deserve some semblance of empathy, not you get to kill your parents. Your literally twisting my words completely yet you were also the one who told me that I was twisting your word in the situation where I just brought a new one in. What sense does that make

@Benny Boy see this is why I brought in the word justify. Your bringing in the murder in the situation of a life changing accident, which would be irrelevant in feeling empathy unless you thought I was trying to *justify* the murder with it. My only statement was that if your life was ruined, you deserve some semblance of empathy, not you get to kill your parents. Your literally twisting my words completely yet you were also the one who told me that I was twisting your word in the situation where I just brought a new one in. What sense does that make

@Benny Boy Bruh, her parents are kinda shitty so this does play a role, but the person isn't defending her crime. No one is. It's just a shitty situation for all of them. Her parants maybe had a same relationship with their parents. Like it's easy to say it's just a "basic" parent/child problem but the human psychic is complex and hits everyone different.

@Benny Boy Bruh, her parents are kinda shitty so this does play a role, but the person isn't defending her crime. No one is. It's just a shitty situation for all of them. Her parants maybe had a same relationship with their parents. Like it's easy to say it's just a "basic" parent/child problem but the human psychic is complex and hits everyone different.

@Martin Henzl when did I say that the things she did was right??? Bruh.

@Martin Henzl when did I say that the things she did was right??? Bruh.

Plot twist: She deliberately twisted her ankle.

Plot twist: She deliberately twisted her ankle.

some of y'all don't know what it's like to have asian parents and it shows lol

some of y'all don't know what it's like to have asian parents and it shows lol

@Benny Boy the video doesn't go over it cuz its not super relevant to the subject of what he wanted to cover but the treatment by her parents was child abuse. they basically made their own monster. if this was an AITA post, the verdict would be Everyone Sucks. The daughter sucks the most but the parents made her that way with their treatment. No empathy for any of them really.

@Benny Boy the video doesn't go over it cuz its not super relevant to the subject of what he wanted to cover but the treatment by her parents was child abuse. they basically made their own monster. if this was an AITA post, the verdict would be Everyone Sucks. The daughter sucks the most but the parents made her that way with their treatment. No empathy for any of them really.

@Mr.Fishstick _YT She could have done different things to turn her life around. Her parents gave her the option to move out or have continued support. I think it's fair for her parents to be strict in exchange for dealing with her and continuing their support even after she lied for years about her life. She chose to stay and when it was time for her to give back in exchange of the care her parents gave by being a good daughter and playing by their rules what happened? She chose to have a drug dealing boyfriend. She chose to be with murdering friends. She chose to plan that robbery/murder. She chose to have them killed even after all they did for her. Would I feel empathy even after knowing these?

Having your dreams ripped out because of an injury can break people. But why would she take it out on her parents? Was it their fault? Did they stop caring for her? Did they go totalitarian and tell her to do this or that break up with your boyfriend? Did they disown her without her choice? Did they kick her out of the house?

It's hard to be empathetic in this circumstance. She could have lived a decent life by finding a different passion. But noooo, she chose to be with bad people and hate her parents and here we are.

@haakke the homicide inducing psychological stress?

@haakke the homicide inducing psychological stress?

@YeaTsui Linn I get what you're saying. Obviously we won't ever fully understand the extent of it since we aren't in her situation and didn't have to deal with what she went through. If we're just talking about the morality of her actions though, they're 100% wrong. I'm not saying her life was easy by any means or that her parents were easy. However, murder is murder and murder is wrong no matter the circumstance. I agree with you through. We should study cases like these because there's many lessons that we can take away from it.

@Ariana just to say it’s impossible to understand her situation and her way of dealing things unless we are in her situation, if you feel like what she has done was ridiculous that’s just because we are not in her situation so no need for us to be confuse of what she’s done

@Ariana just to say it’s impossible to understand her situation and her way of dealing things unless we are in her situation, if you feel like what she has done was ridiculous that’s just because we are not in her situation so no need for us to be confuse of what she’s done

@Ariana criminology is not a matter of right or wrong, we study various reason behind it, for this woman there were just so many cascade effects relating to the toxic parenting, killing someone is for sure the wrong choice and that’s why we have to study the case to understand why they made the wrong choice, there’s no use just blaming the mistake

@Ariana criminology is not a matter of right or wrong, we study various reason behind it, for this woman there were just so many cascade effects relating to the toxic parenting, killing someone is for sure the wrong choice and that’s why we have to study the case to understand why they made the wrong choice, there’s no use just blaming the mistake

@ObeseEmbryo your whole point is She had a hard life, when people have had harder lives and done alot less, so if your not trying to justify someone's actions by bringing up their home life, what are you doing? Spreading awareness on a video that already described everything better then you could have?

@ObeseEmbryo your whole point is She had a hard life, when people have had harder lives and done alot less, so if your not trying to justify someone's actions by bringing up their home life, what are you doing? Spreading awareness on a video that already described everything better then you could have?

@ObeseEmbryo " I empathize because I'm not a sociopath" so what your saying is if we don't agree with your specific beliefs we are sociopaths? Bet

@ObeseEmbryo " I empathize because I'm not a sociopath" so what your saying is if we don't agree with your specific beliefs we are sociopaths? Bet

@ObeseEmbryo yes I'm telling you if I worked for a dream and it was ruined I wouldn't kill my parents, it's actually funny you need to make it a theoretical situation where she didn't kill her parents just to make a point to be empathetic lmao

@ObeseEmbryo yes I'm telling you if I worked for a dream and it was ruined I wouldn't kill my parents, it's actually funny you need to make it a theoretical situation where she didn't kill her parents just to make a point to be empathetic lmao

true she could have been a professional athlete but even if she moved away i'm sure her life would have been better there also

true she could have been a professional athlete but even if she moved away i'm sure her life would have been better there also

@YeaTsui Linn so you’re saying the answer is murder?   Lol only thing that justifies murder is if it’s in self defense. I’m not gonna start murdering my family members or anyone for that matter simply because they suck/are strict/mean/annoying (insert adjective of choice here). You either deal with the family you’re given or remove yourself from that toxic environment, not murder them !

@YeaTsui Linn so you’re saying the answer is murder?   Lol only thing that justifies murder is if it’s in self defense. I’m not gonna start murdering my family members or anyone for that matter simply because they suck/are strict/mean/annoying (insert adjective of choice here). You either deal with the family you’re given or remove yourself from that toxic environment, not murder them !

Come on there are things in Asian culture and families that you won’t be able to understand unless you experience it, it’s not a simple case you can get away with just being “independent”

Come on there are things in Asian culture and families that you won’t be able to understand unless you experience it, it’s not a simple case you can get away with just being “independent”

@Martin Henzl if she didn't break her ankle she would've probably have a career and a better life

@Martin Henzl if she didn't break her ankle she would've probably have a career and a better life

@Mr.Fishstick _YT the situation is sad for sure but just because you hate someone does not give you the right to kill them. She could’ve moved out and cut all ties with them and lived her life. We also don’t know the full story. Her parents weren’t perfect but I’m sure they had good intentions. Regardless though it’s hard to feel bad for someone who has no regard for human life

@Mr.Fishstick _YT the situation is sad for sure but just because you hate someone does not give you the right to kill them. She could’ve moved out and cut all ties with them and lived her life. We also don’t know the full story. Her parents weren’t perfect but I’m sure they had good intentions. Regardless though it’s hard to feel bad for someone who has no regard for human life

@Mr.Fishstick _YT I think the way the narrator said it was perfect. They gave her the choice between support and independence, she made her own option.

@Mr.Fishstick _YT I think the way the narrator said it was perfect. They gave her the choice between support and independence, she made her own option.

@Brad Miller how does killing them give her money? Unless she was on their will which I doubt considering how easily they wanted to disown her

@Brad Miller how does killing them give her money? Unless she was on their will which I doubt considering how easily they wanted to disown her

@Mohammed A seems like you knew so a lot  about her situation and how she felt. Were you guys Friends?

@Mohammed A seems like you knew so a lot  about her situation and how she felt. Were you guys Friends?

@Mr.Fishstick _YT seems pretty obvious. Money.

@Mr.Fishstick _YT seems pretty obvious. Money.

@Brad Miller explain to me why she killed her parents then

@Brad Miller explain to me why she killed her parents then

@ObeseEmbryo yes your take is magnificent i feel bad for her up and her parents

@ObeseEmbryo yes your take is magnificent i feel bad for her up and her parents

@Mr.Fishstick _YT what bad circumstances? Seems like she had it pretty sweet. So her parents were controlling. So what? She was 24 and still living at home, sounds like she could have used the structure.

@Mr.Fishstick _YT what bad circumstances? Seems like she had it pretty sweet. So her parents were controlling. So what? She was 24 and still living at home, sounds like she could have used the structure.

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding my comment. I absolutely don’t condone Jennifer’s actions but that doesn’t mean we still can’t sympathize with her in some ways

I think a lot of people are misunderstanding my comment. I absolutely don’t condone Jennifer’s actions but that doesn’t mean we still can’t sympathize with her in some ways

@Brad Miller and here’s the thing I keep stressing in my comments. We distance ourselves like that could never be us. In your comment you say why should “we” as in normal people but she’s normal too but just raised in bad circumstances

@Brad Miller and here’s the thing I keep stressing in my comments. We distance ourselves like that could never be us. In your comment you say why should “we” as in normal people but she’s normal too but just raised in bad circumstances

@Mr.Fishstick _YT why should we feel bad for her?

@Mr.Fishstick _YT why should we feel bad for her?

@haakke yes, this situation could stress anyonr out. It would not however lead most people to murder.

@haakke yes, this situation could stress anyonr out. It would not however lead most people to murder.

@haakke nah she still shouldn’t have had her parents murdered

@haakke nah she still shouldn’t have had her parents murdered

Crazy how there’s way to heal from an injury and she could of put effort into rebuilding that but she chose the lazy life

Crazy how there’s way to heal from an injury and she could of put effort into rebuilding that but she chose the lazy life

@Benny Boy also your telling me if you worked your whole life for a dream and all your work was suddenly ripped from you within a day, you wouldn't expect somebody to empathize? If I heard a story like that, my first reaction would be "oh thats terrible I hope they get back on their feet" because im not a sociopath. Also, if your going to bring in the "I never said that" argument even though I had a reason for bringing in the word justify, I never said anything about empathizing with someone because they hated their parents either. I said empathize with her accident and a rather toxic environment

@Mr.Fishstick _YT yeab tbh its both the parents and the daughter's fault. But yeah killing is... wow like wtf.

@Mr.Fishstick _YT yeab tbh its both the parents and the daughter's fault. But yeah killing is... wow like wtf.

@Mohammed A ye, just imagine not being bright and then find a drug dealer bf. you could end up being manipulated into such a bad situation like this

@Mohammed A ye, just imagine not being bright and then find a drug dealer bf. you could end up being manipulated into such a bad situation like this

@Benny Boy Im brought in the word justify because your response would only be warranted if he tried to justify the crime. Im saying your response is not warranted if he only simply empathized with someone

@Benny Boy Im brought in the word justify because your response would only be warranted if he tried to justify the crime. Im saying your response is not warranted if he only simply empathized with someone

@Benny Boy but here’s the thing about it being the fault of the mind like shes just crazy or something. You start to distance yourself from her. Like you start to see her as less human or possibly not even a person. Like shes born defective and damaged; and not that she doesnt become those things

@Benny Boy but here’s the thing about it being the fault of the mind like shes just crazy or something. You start to distance yourself from her. Like you start to see her as less human or possibly not even a person. Like shes born defective and damaged; and not that she doesnt become those things

@Benny Boy moral integrity is formed by the people around you: parents and friends. Unless she got some messed up friends that convinced her that everything her parents taught her for 18 years was wrong, then its the fault of bad parenting.

@Benny Boy moral integrity is formed by the people around you: parents and friends. Unless she got some messed up friends that convinced her that everything her parents taught her for 18 years was wrong, then its the fault of bad parenting.

@Mr.Fishstick _YT because children go through the same thing, even worse and don't kill their parents... what does that say about her? Especially only caring what was going to happen to her while her father was litterally in the hospital with a gun shot to the head, yk the person she said she didn't want to hurt, saying that only after finding out he was alive

@Mr.Fishstick _YT because children go through the same thing, even worse and don't kill their parents... what does that say about her? Especially only caring what was going to happen to her while her father was litterally in the hospital with a gun shot to the head, yk the person she said she didn't want to hurt, saying that only after finding out he was alive

If we're gonna go that route can we be sure it was entirely her parents who made her like this? Can we completely confirm that her moral integrity was ever intact?

If we're gonna go that route can we be sure it was entirely her parents who made her like this? Can we completely confirm that her moral integrity was ever intact?

@ObeseEmbryo also when did I say justify? I'm pretty sure I used the word empathize the entire time... and  you tell me that I'm confusing words

@ObeseEmbryo also when did I say justify? I'm pretty sure I used the word empathize the entire time... and  you tell me that I'm confusing words

@ObeseEmbryo if she didn't kill anyone and just hated her parents I still wouldn't feel empathy for someone who stayed 6 more years then she had too, what are you on about

@ObeseEmbryo if she didn't kill anyone and just hated her parents I still wouldn't feel empathy for someone who stayed 6 more years then she had too, what are you on about

@Matt Sixo you can feel bad for people even if they do something wrong. If someone lets say steals from you, and you break their arm which gets you charged with assault, I think you would expect the thief to get punished too, because in the end, both thievery and assault is wrong. While murder and toxic parenthood are obviously on very different levels, both are still inherently bad and your allowed to point that out. Theres nothing wrong with thinking that living under a totalitarian parenthood was toxic, because it doesnt justify her actions, it just points out the mistakes of another action.

@Benny Boy thats not a wrong thing to do. Just because she went to the extreme wrong doesn't mean the way she was raised was right. A totalitarian parenthood is very toxic and while it doesnt justify the crime, it doesnt mean you cant sympathize with her. For example, if she didnt murder anyone and all you knew was that she focused her life into athletics and working towards a life goal only to have that ripped away from her, wouldn't you feel sympathy? Thats not a stupid thing to do, its a basic human decency thing to do. Empathizing and justifying are 2 different things and you dont lump them together. Gabriel in no way said that what she did was right and in no way did he try to justify any of her actions, which if he did , it would actually warrant the response you gave. All he did was point out that toxic parenthood is also bad and that empathy is good, which I dont see any problem with.

@Mr.Fishstick _YT ahh yes we should empathize with the 24 yr old who could move out at any time but instead decided to fake a robbery and kill her parents... do you guys like think when you type stuff out?

@Mr.Fishstick _YT ahh yes we should empathize with the 24 yr old who could move out at any time but instead decided to fake a robbery and kill her parents... do you guys like think when you type stuff out?

@Mr.Fishstick _YT if u feel bad for someone setting up the people who gave her everything you got issues.<br>They even found out about her double life an still wanted to help her

@Mr.Fishstick _YT if u feel bad for someone setting up the people who gave her everything you got issues.
They even found out about her double life an still wanted to help her

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I know shes did a horrible thing but why does no one feel bad for her that she hated her parents so much that she killed them

I know shes did a horrible thing but why does no one feel bad for her that she hated her parents so much that she killed them

Nah she could’ve had a broken ankle and still just NOT kill her parents

Nah she could’ve had a broken ankle and still just NOT kill her parents

@Martin Henzl Well there isn't a right choice, but murder is certainly the wrong one.

@Martin Henzl Well there isn't a right choice, but murder is certainly the wrong one.


All she needed was a therapist...Someone to listen to her story. It just so happened that the person who actually listened to her struggles was a policeman.

@M K <br>She was pressured by her parents to have good grades over anything else, her wants and needs were disregarded

@M K
She was pressured by her parents to have good grades over anything else, her wants and needs were disregarded

@DesiDess life and death??????  How??   She lied about going to college so she can use her parents money to live with her bf.   When they found out and wanted her back home.  Is when she decided to kill them and take their money.   Look up the whole story

@Mike Honcho never said i did.  Wth is wrong with u?

@Neal Kandel <br>It happened because she was trapped and in basucally a life of death situation and had no one to vent her outlets to and saw murder as the only way out

@Neal Kandel
It happened because she was trapped and in basucally a life of death situation and had no one to vent her outlets to and saw murder as the only way out

@Neal Kandel <br>Idk anything about ted bundy so idk wtf ur on about??

@Neal Kandel
Idk anything about ted bundy so idk wtf ur on about??

@Mike Honcho lol how do you know what they talk about??  You know them?  U just assuming

It didn't do nothing so that for sure was already going I believe if she had diff parents it obviously wouldn't have happened bit maybe if she was going to therapy and had better guidance they could helped with being okay with jusy living with her bf n letting go of her fam if their that toxic she may had told that therapist im almost ready to kill em maybe something could been diff thats what I'm trynna say

@M K yea but for this specific situation for her undont think she didn't vent to her everyday

@Mike Honcho dude bro.  U misunderstood lol.  Just saying he couldve been her "comfort"  that why she wants to be with him.   Bro not saying he a professional or anything.   U dont find comfort in a bf/gf???

Obviously self therapy by being with someone she loves & living as she pleases (before her parents found out) wasn’t helping. Therapists, psychologists, & psychiatrists can help you because they can see things you don’t.

Sure, I understand where you are coming from.  Maybe therapy could have been a little unburdening. BUT, if you want to put up that argument you are also implying that all other people under similar circumstances should act the way she did and according to you it is justified because they didn't receive therapy.

Sadly the policeman/detective is the last person in the world to care about her he was just trying to gain her trust so he can convict her and put her behind bars the rest of her life. It made me want to throw up every time he put his hand on her shoulder it was like watching him rape her.

Hope that’s not blaming the parents. This woman is psycho. She was probably born that way!

@M K I think that's cool, but if you're not careful, dissecting individual parts of someone's argument can change its meaning. Since each part of an argument supports and leads into another, if you talk about one individual part and (for example) exaggerate it, you can manipulate it into (for example) sounding stupid. I think it can come across as annoying, judging by the like ratios between your replies and other peoples'.

@fungling i understand.  I just show them the other side.   Yea, maybe extreme but got to understand the other side.  Yea i dissect the convo.  Isnt that what discussion are for?  I wasnt trying to be insensitive but wanted them to know u cant be for sure.  Yea i come off strong but hey thats me.  Maybe we built different.  No shade.    Thanks

@M K No, because you get aggressive over everything, and you break down peoples arguments into small parts and and twist it to your liking just for an upper hand.
Like when you said 'Make sure u dont miss your next session or u might harm your parents' when someone says that she didn't get therapy. That is the least 'realistic' way of proving someone wrong.
As if just because this one person has this issue that can be fixed with therapy, you twist it and try to make their argument sound wrong by saying everyone else will be violent if they don't have the treatment that helps one type of person. Unrelated.
You also said that there are no sources that state that therapy can help bad people. I hope you understand.

@fungling why cuz i i said "maybe" therapy can work?   You guys are delusional saying therapy wouldve worked for sure.  Like how am i cringe? Im jist keeping it up in the air.  Im just arguing that it mightve not worked.   Thats all.

Agreed. I feel bad for her but at the same time... disgusted

Asian-Canadian in this case.  Same exact experience in Canada

@Jess Loren My take is still: if you want to change, the whole family shoud change if they are stressing you out with their bs or get separated.

I honestly think that there’s sooo many people in the world in the same situation and haven’t killed the parents I think it’s a bit of nature vs nurture with this one. A therapist can only do so much, they don’t just magically fix people.

@M K  look at the end of the day, therapy can be an attempt to help yourself. It may or may not work but it’s an attempt nonetheless.

You do not get to tell people what they should or should not do in order to seek help. there is no “real” way of getting help, there are only possible ways of seeking aid.

True “self-therapy” may help you or others but it’s all relative and we do not have 100% guarantee that it’ll work all the time.

@M K Therapy does help.
But if a "child" have problemes with parents, its not enough for the kid to do it.
And those who trying to controll you and force you into something you dont want you cant sit down with them and speak about why they are wrong.
This probleme is much deeper than does she needed therapist or didnt.

@DesiDess who says it helps??  Your friend???   Why u act like for sure it wouldve helped her.   U crazy thinking for sure it would.   All i was saying was maybe.   And u came im with "no she needed therapy"  with such confidence

@M K
It doesn't save the world, it helps
And as somebody with terrible parents and going through therapy thats really uncalled for and offensive

@DesiDess Ok buddy.  Therapy saves the world.     Make sure u dont miss your next session or u might harm your parents

@M K
Because they either didn't get the right amount of help, didn't have the right therapist or therapy, or was too impatient

Take that with a grain of salt because we don't know whats going on in their head
If you've given me more info then "People die in therapy" it would help

Especially people who have therapy turn out better then when they didn't have therapy, my friend was a rape victim and with therapy it really helped her

There are always going to be odd ones out but majority say therapy helps

@DesiDess youre so vague.  What about the people that committed suicide during their therapy.  What about them?

@DesiDess why is that?   Like how can u be so sure??   Crazy that u think so so confidently.    Therapy will solve everything???

Maybe.  Maybe not.  Jsut cuz u see a therapist doesnt solve everything.   Still couldve happened.    Self therapy is the real way.   Her bf couldve been her comfort (therapist)

Pie KaZkout fr but sadly majority Asian Americans, especially first generation don’t get that type of support since our family doesn’t believe in mental illness or help for it. Shit they don’t even let us talk about our problems cuz they think we have it “easy” and shouldn’t have any thing to worry about but that’s just not how it is


To me the scariest part of this, is the reminder that there's people out there who's willing to kill innocent people for a few hundred bucks (in this case $2000 split between the three hitmen).

@PrettyOkAndy yes, some people are just evil and would have no problem ridding them from this world if it was legal.

I'm guessing she was counting on the inheritance.

I'm guessing she was counting on the inheritance.

@Dandy Jandon Wow, won't you get a bit lower from that pedestal, I can hardly hear you from up there. I never said there wasn't anything good in the world so I don't know where you got that from. Of course there is good in the world and there's a lot of people that do their best to help others around them from the goodness of their hearts without expecting anything in return. I never said there wasn't. I just love how you label me evil for seemingly no reason at all but for stating that people shouldn't be so naive as to think and act like every single case of violence is something new when the whole of human history is full of them. If you thought I was somehow trying to undermine them because of some really pessimistic idea of 'people die, shit happens', that wasn't my intention at all. But really, I'm curious. How am I evil?

@Dalton Walker Well, currency is considered property so the point stands. But agree nevertheless.

@DeadpoolX9 Also I agree, but in my opinion I think the attention perps get should be minimized as much as possible. Especially when it comes to the school shootings, the media shouldn't throw their face and life story around to make an another icon for other like minded people to look up to. They're giving them exactly what they want, fame and to be seen as a martyr to their "cause".

@DeadpoolX9 It might be easier but in the long run it will do more harm than good both to yourself and others around you. It's hard to move on and try to be happy when on the inside you're waiting to fall apart, it's only the matter of when.

To be fair I think they were planning to get a lot more money. If Jennifer’s parents died, she could get their will/money and all their assets. If she split it between all of them it would be way more than 2000. Still bad people tho

@Fenrize evil exist but also good, to only point out the evil as if that is all that is left is ignorant.  There is overwhelming moreso stories of lives saved than there is evil actions, and the people who do stand for good are not doing it for money, but out of the kindess of the heart to do battle with evil and put there life on the line. You my friend are just as evil as the criminals you sit on your keyboard and do nothing to do good or save anyone but try to take hope from people with your evil and jaded mind set.

@Arif Gashi that def not normal mang lol

@Arif Gashi that def not normal mang lol

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All edge no point baby 😎

@Fenrize It isn't about currency, it's property. As long as people have <b>THINGS</b> then people will want them. Some are civil with trade and currency, and others are brutal and savage. Unless you can strip humanity of the ability to create, own, clothe, etc, then this is the way of the world. We're just more civil now than 10,000 years ago

@Fenrize It isn't about currency, it's property. As long as people have *THINGS* then people will want them. Some are civil with trade and currency, and others are brutal and savage. Unless you can strip humanity of the ability to create, own, clothe, etc, then this is the way of the world. We're just more civil now than 10,000 years ago

What's more unsettling is that 2000/3 doesn't give an exact number...

Well, just remember that for tens of thousands of year humans killed each other in the hundreds of thousands and millions. Now we're talking about 2.

@Witness The Wrath not really but it's a hard one. will you risk becoming everything you vowed to stop?

@EIMAJ some people are mentally broken and are desensitized when they commit atrocities

@Arif Gashi pessimism isnt realism. its seeing only specific parts of a very complex thing. its ridiculous for you to only look at the worst of humanity and think everything is completely terrible and always will be

@Fenrize history is filled with many other things too. its all of human existence

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@Chaz Mcdickinson lol yeah drugs do that to ya

@Chaz Mcdickinson lol yeah drugs do that to ya

@Chaz Mcdickinson idk man, i dont think race had anything to do with it. drug addicts will do anything to get their hands on cash— white or black. maybe they were really desperate

@Sand in my Toes well first of all this was a joke. Second of all I would say generally speaking white hitmen charge quite a bit more than 2 grand. About $650 a piece is a hell of a bargain

@Chaz Mcdickinson so only black people kill? no white person has ever killed anyone?

The real scary part is it could be your own damn children 😔 scary world fr

@Arif Gashi<br>"-at the end of the day, long as there's two people left on the planet, someone is gonna want someone dead." Some crazed gunman.

@Arif Gashi
"-at the end of the day, long as there's two people left on the planet, someone is gonna want someone dead." Some crazed gunman.

@Fenrize I think that's really shitty of the media.

I think each victim should have as much screen time as the perpetrator.
So 9 victims would have 9 times the screen time as the perpetrator.

If the perpetrator gets any screen time at all.

@Fenrize some people react to trauma with warmth.
Some people shut off their emotions and grit their teeth.

Some people do both.

It's easier to do the latter than the former if you ask me.

That sounds like the first payment. I hope at least.

They could steal a puppy and get more<br>Not saying stealing is right but like it's mad they thought that killing two people was okay just for cash

They could steal a puppy and get more
Not saying stealing is right but like it's mad they thought that killing two people was okay just for cash

@Arif Gashi If you have had to grow up in such an environment it doesn't surprise me you've had to harden up to cope and survive with your experiences. Even if such situations became a norm to you it does still leave a mark, traumatic situations beginning from early childhood do follow you to your adulthood especially when they're not properly processed and dealt with and are just left hanging in the background. Human psyche is interesting in the way how it strives to keep itself intact no matter how damaging the situation. In many cases they can leave you feeling apathetic, feeling almost emotionless even and with feelings of emptiness that the brain does to protect you. The way you talk of the feeling of being shocked being unnecessary kind of sounds to me it could be something you've told yourself throughout the years.
"I don't need to feel anything towards this, thinking of it makes me feel wrong. It happened and I'm ok."

But you do need to remember not everybody has gone through anything remotely similar that you have and you shouldn't put them down for it. People do have different thresholds for difficult situations and everybody handles them differently.

@EIMAJ Well yeah, it would be a very different thing if it actually happened to you, to someone you know or witnessed it first hand. If you didn't, well I'm not sure if you had balls of steel or was just emotionless. My original reply was to someone who found it unfathomable that someone wasn't as shocked as they were by something you see on the internet which is why I went on my little tirade :)

@Fenrize yes I agree you get desensitized as I’m fairly cold with this stuff too not much really bothers me because it isn’t happening to me but if u or me were experiencing it first hand it would be most likely impossible to think 100% logically

@Witness The Wrath Careful, almost cut myself on that edge

@EIMAJ You see enough and you get desensitized especially in a world in which violent crimes are treated as entertainment to the masses. Killers are made into celebrities and their body counts most of the time are paraded like accomplishments. "This guy killed 9 people! Oh, but this one killed 12, isn't it terrible!" like it was some macabre contest of which one is the worst. The media has a huge role in the way it treats these things.

I have always been interested in psychology and have gone on my way to research all kinds of cases and at one point you start to look at things more in cold logic rather than feelings. I doubt I'm the only one either, people are different and some are less sensitive than the others. Also, watching strangers I will never meet from a very different culture and in a country I will never visit on a flat screen has a way of keeping me detached. Of course it sucks that things like this happen and I wouldn't wish it anyone, but it's not enough to make it personal.

@Fenrize I agree that he’s realistic but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be at least a little fazed when things like this happen that’s just not how most humans work lmao

@carol flower While Arif Gashi comes off as extremely cold and pessimistic, he is right. This is reality. The history is full of cases of incomprehensible acts of violence for reasons no mentally stable person can even begin to understand. This case is nothing new and unfortunately it won't be the last either; as long as some form of currency exists in the world there will be people who will do anything to obtain it. Money rules the world but it's not the only reason these things happen, of course. Many cases (like this one) are a perfect mix of the right circumstances and opportunities but the responsibility always lies with the perpetrator. Of course, these things shock people especially ones that aren't accustomed the darkest things in life by researching them beforehand but sometimes it comes off as plain obliviousness and naivete which I presume Arif was mostly cranky about. However, he could have brought it out very differently and not like he was stung by a bee in his left ass cheek.


If you get mentally fatigued just walk out.


The interrogator is such professional. He's calm, he doesn't speak accusingly but not that friendly either. Takes his time and uses time wisely. And that leads to success.

I didn’t like him too much. Didn’t seem very intelligent in terms of having a wide range of “incriminating questionnaire”. He used the most simple “blah blah blah, okay? Blah blah, okay?” That “okay??” Thing drove me nuts. Does this guy not know a better way to play good cop?

This is why you never talk to the police. Talk to your lawyer, who is legally bound to be on your side.

@OverlordSatanDxD So what would you say when a Girl planned to murder her parents, got her mom killed and Dad crippled, and then STILL DIRECTLY lied into your face for HOURS that she didnt do it, all in a "im just a sad girl" tone?

The cop was WAY too nice to her.

@OverlordSatanDxD lol what world do you live in where criminals deserve respect?

@OverlordSatanDxD 🙄 Man, the world you live in must suck. Come to the real world where good people exist, it’s much better

success of detroying a human being life, such a great and noble achievment !

I Was Really Impressed On How Long She Was Actually Trying To Deceive Them And How He Got It Out Of Her. Batman Approves!🦇

He was pretty calm and stuff yes I thought that was interesting