Damn. It's crazy these people are willing to spend hours at a time interrogating people. They spend hours at a time, chipping away at every new criminal's stubborn wall of "Wasn't me!". The amount of dedication it must take to keep up an act or perform a certain way... Bravo folks... Bravo.

@KynG i doubt that the will to help people and make the community a safer place ever gets dry to them. Why do you think people become missionaries for all their lives, or become fire fighters?

I'm not saying it's not a game for some detectives out there. But I think most of them just want to clean up the streets and make their home a safer place for everyone.

@Grant Hatch But that has to get draining after a while, no? That righteous attitude can only go so far.

@KynG I doubt it's a game to them. I think it's about doing their job and bringing justice to the victim and their family.

And sometimes, they forge testimonies out of impressionable people. There's a fascinating and horrific story of just that transpired this month here, in France.

Gotta be one of the most patient jobs in the world.

@KynG  I find the subtle way of getting people to open up pretty interesting. I think if I ever went into this field, it would be like a game to me. Though the game would be to figure them out, not to break them down. I really don’t like how the detectives use their fear and hope, to find evidence against them. I watched the video on Jenifer (in which she killed her overbearing mother and lied about it), and I was really just upset for her. I wouldn’t want to try and get information out of someone that way unless I thought I could help them. But it really is quite interesting trying to figure out what the people are hiding so I can see why people do it.

I'd imagine that it has to be sort of fun to them. Like each new suspect is a "game" to play. And when they "beat" the game, they're rewarded with a total and utter breakdown on the suspect's part. Sure you have to be a little bit of a sadist, and you'd have to be a damn good actor to keep yourself from grinning when they cry, but that's just about the sole reason I can think of as for why they do it.


I can’t get over how well made all of these are, anyone else binge every single other one on the page?

I can’t get over how well made all of these are, anyone else binge every single other one on the page?

Yeah I just started this week, hello 2021 lol

Yeah I just started this week, hello 2021 lol

That is why we tax payers are feeding so many innocent inmates. Who will not to be convicted under such a legal procedure?

His documentaries are so well written, he should get with a good producer and director and make full length docs.

This is the first one I’ve watched, it’s fantastic. I am about to binge watch the others now I know there’s more!

@ Stan  - you are wrong JCS DOES still have 27 videos on the Patreon and it’s worth the 1$ to join and binge on JCS! They’re better than anything on Netflix that’s for sure! The 27 videos Were censored by YT so JCS started the Patreon where those videos are STILL available!

The JCS Patreon is still up! There’s 27 video that YT censored, so he started the Patreon and YES YES YES, JOIN ! It’s only a dollar/month and you can and will watch and rewatch the videos there! The quality is amazing and it’s a small way of supporting the JCS team and the great work they do!!

I agree! I wish there was more lol I love these so much!

I agree! I wish there was more lol I love these so much!

And on Patreon. Ive watched everyone. Many twice.

Best youtuber ever. Wish he did more content more often.

@Aidan Gillard Really? Sounds pretty human to me!  I like this style of narration for true crimes. It's consistent and clear. But I guess people just have different preferences.

Really? I'm sure the content is good but how does the voice not drive you crazy? Sounds like text to speech, not a real human

I take what I subscribe to very seriously; essentially a vote towards what I think is good content on YouTube (a rare thing). And you better bet that this channel is one of my subscriptions

Even when the quality is poor I just stare harder and turn up the volume

Even when the quality is poor I just stare harder and turn up the volume

Go watch the smolliet one, it’s unlisted but it’s my favorite.

Go watch the smolliet one, it’s unlisted but it’s my favorite.

you're not someone i expected to see here.

you're not someone i expected to see here.

Yeah! I am so sure nothing at all was taken out of context since there was all that fast forwarding...

Yeah! I am so sure nothing at all was taken out of context since there was all that fast forwarding...

I found them yesterday and I am already hooked.<br>Great and very well made series!

I found them yesterday and I am already hooked.
Great and very well made series!

Yeah honestly it makes me feel weird sometimes lol

Yeah honestly it makes me feel weird sometimes lol

You better believe it. Some more than once.

You better believe it. Some more than once.

I am so obsessed with these crime shows that my sisters are scared of me haha, I am so facinated by the techniques these detectives use

I've been binge watching them. I'd pay 5$ a month for this shit.

I've been binge watching them. I'd pay 5$ a month for this shit.

Go to JCS on Patreon! I still support over there as well because this content is priceless.

Go to JCS on Patreon! I still support over there as well because this content is priceless.

@C&S LivestockLLC video of your livestock. "If you jave any" I don't think you do. Seen you on a Joe Rogan video too.

Idk why but the fact you refer to it as a page is funny to me. Just call it a channel! Or maybe I’m the silly one not calling a page idk

Yeah i watched all of them and i need more and is it just one person making these cause well done they are super well made

🙋🏻♀best binge ever!!! I loved the anti hero analysis in particular!

🙋🏻♀best binge ever!!! I loved the anti hero analysis in particular!

I literally found your channel the same time I found JCS! Both of y’all make such easy to binge content

I literally found your channel the same time I found JCS! Both of y’all make such easy to binge content

I agree for sure Sunny. The professional and outstanding job explaining the full situation and the level of sociopathic behavior of Jodis narcissistic attitude and mind set is unbelievable. The manipulation Jodi "try's" to pull off towards the Detective is mind-blowing to me.. Why not just slap the handcuffs on her and call it a day? Having her actually admit she killed Travis would have a better impact on the Jury? Obviously. I love Detective #2. She has a complete hold over JA. So professional and outstanding balance of Good Cop Bad Cop.

@damen whelan ...well...my spelling sucks a lot. I should use english Mutch more....damn...I did it again.

Edit: had to edit the t in...I am so stupid...

Edit2: ...yeah look how I wrote stoopid...

@dima ermolenko
There is no T in Much.

I hate English too for this.

@dima ermolenko
There is no T in Much.

I hate English too for this.

@dima ermolenko <br>They are very engaging.

I am actually also surprised how mutch I like watching these...

I am actually also surprised how mutch I like watching these...

nah i cant binge no more i watched em all ☹

nah i cant binge no more i watched em all ☹

One of the best parts about his videos no one talks about is his chill soothing voice

One of the best parts about his videos no one talks about is his chill soothing voice

Yeah boi, been waiting some time since the last video came out

Yeah boi, been waiting some time since the last video came out

Sunny, I love your videos, and yes I binge watch JCS all the time, you should definitely hit up the Patreoni as there's much much more content

Agreed. When I saw the length of the video at first, I’ll admit it was a bit daunting, but it really flies by because of the way he breaks it down.

Oh yeah! I’ve seen them all twice and joined his Patreon for stuff that’s not on YouTube.

Oh yeah! I’ve seen them all twice and joined his Patreon for stuff that’s not on YouTube.

Mane wort part is when youre done and gotta wait 2 months for the next one!

Mane wort part is when youre done and gotta wait 2 months for the next one!

Just finished watching your video on Nikocado haha, this channel always provided a really well done and interesting insight to psychology, I notice similar traits with your videos too

Yes I have been waiting for a while for a new video!

Yes I have been waiting for a while for a new video!

were past binging now were part of the group that just waits months for a new upload and clicks it within seconds of getting the notification

This channel gets such huge traffic. This vid has been online for only 3 days and it's at 2 million views.  I think moving to Patreon was a mistake.  Hopefully they just make more and reupload their old videos and just keep growing the channel.

Why come she's not singing silent night now?

Why come she's not singing silent night now?

Its pure strategic wordplay found almost nowhere else done by the best of the best and brought to you by the best. Anyone is wise to take notes. Especially now.

@ella ❤ I thought you guys had no equivalent of the fifth amendment

@ella ❤ I thought you guys had no equivalent of the fifth amendment

A long time ago so now I eagerly await new ones 😂😂

A long time ago so now I eagerly await new ones 😂😂

@sudilos117 The only time it is acceptable to brake the law, is then taking power.

@sudilos117 The only time it is acceptable to brake the law, is then taking power.

I may be wrong but, I believe they did away with the Patreon, and all of the videos are on this channel. I was subbed to the Patreon for the longest time, and I remember them posting an update, stating that they were discontinuing the Patreon, and putting all of the videos back on YouTube. Again I could be misremembering but, I'm almost positive that all of the content is on YouTube.

@Debra Baron SprayCanAnn did "Destroying Jodi Arias" it was brilliant.

@Debra Baron SprayCanAnn did "Destroying Jodi Arias" it was brilliant.

yes, he's awesome......followed him on Patreon. This was a nice Christmas fix, TY JCS, Happy New Year

yes, he's awesome......followed him on Patreon. This was a nice Christmas fix, TY JCS, Happy New Year

@kamalmanzukie crazy that people need to learn to zip it during Interrogation. When I was 12 I realised you do not need to say anything, meant you do not need to say anything...😂😂 I'm British so they say you do not need to say anything, but anything you do say may be used in evidence against you. 😂🤔🤡

Top quality like something you'd watch on Netflix or something I can't binge tho as I watch them as I go along so allready seen the others.

bin there done that long time ago, i miss those times haha

bin there done that long time ago, i miss those times haha

Yep! Watched all of these and recommend them to people all the time.

Yep! Watched all of these and recommend them to people all the time.

I wish I could erase my memory so I could enjoy them all over again

I wish I could erase my memory so I could enjoy them all over again

me!! I've even been contemplating going on his pantreon for more (which I never actually consider with any channel I watch. Since sadly it seems youtube deleted many of the older ones :(

I did a long time ago. They are very watchable, and some of them haunt you.

I did a long time ago. They are very watchable, and some of them haunt you.

Sunny i love your video, you should do a downfall of amy Lee 33, or finn ball Just suggestions tho don't here anything about them anymore

Sunny go to YouTube uploads by Mikee Daniels.
He's a character.
The trial was televised.
He did daily uploads, mocking defense witnesses.
He's a riot.

oh yes, this stuff is truly educational. I anticipate a few people who watch this channel will beat charges by learning to zip it during interrogation

Uh-Rius sounds like a titan. Detective gave her mad props.

Uh-Rius sounds like a titan. Detective gave her mad props.

About 3 days ago I was back on this channel wondering why he hadn’t released a video.

Well fuck me sideways

They have a Patreon and there is loads of them on there that are not on youtube. Amazing.

They have a Patreon and there is loads of them on there that are not on youtube. Amazing.

Yeah. Feels like he could make a series for Netflix. So good. Hopefully he pitches to a streaming service someday.

yeah they're great to watch until they get deleted and put behind a paywall

yeah they're great to watch until they get deleted and put behind a paywall

He had a Patreon with A LOT of videos, but cancelled or did away with it. It may still be up, I’m not sure - Jim C. Swim

Where are all the videos like this on jcs or true crime.  Please and thanks

Where are all the videos like this on jcs or true crime.  Please and thanks

Get his Patreon. Doesn’t upload there currently anymore but a lot of good vids on there that’s definitely worth it

I can’t I’m an hour in and I’m way too disturbed

I can’t I’m an hour in and I’m way too disturbed

I've been subbed to him for years & I just watched your video b4 I came here!

I've been subbed to him for years & I just watched your video b4 I came here!

Same, love how he breaks down the actual psychology and strategy behind the interrogations

Same, love how he breaks down the actual psychology and strategy behind the interrogations

I watch all your videos thanks for mking such good content ☺

I watch all your videos thanks for mking such good content ☺


Jodi when the investigators exit the room: 🤸🏻♀

Jodi when the investigators exit the room: 🤸🏻♀

I don't understand how you got 25k likes for that comment.

48:14 the detective is so done with her drama. Like bish plz stop the crocodile tears that even the crocodiles will take offense to.

Im glad this channel is back 🙂 power to the people

Im glad this channel is back 🙂 power to the people

I thought this was a joke til I saw her on the wall

This made me laugh way harder than it should have

This made me laugh way harder than it should have

I'm speechless. So on point!😆😂😆😂😆😂😆😂😂😂😭😭😭😭

I'm speechless. So on point!😆😂😆😂😆😂😆😂😂😂😭😭😭😭

Jodi when they asked if she new Travis 🤷♀

Jodi when they asked if she new Travis 🤷♀

detective exits room, closes door
faint circus music from behind the door

*detective exits room, closes door*
*faint circus music from behind the door*

She doesn't want anyone to know that she is flexible

@Abdulkader Khojema it makes it much easier to get a conviction, there’s been many cases where people have got lighter sentences or even got off clean because the evidence isn’t substantial enough or doesn’t clearly show why a crime happened. You can claim insanity, self defense, wrongful conviction etc if they don’t have enough proof on you

Just an OCD trick to make sure she doesn’t completely mentally fold. It’s truly fascinating that she could keep so calm. I am roughly the same age as Jodi and a confident proud person. That being said, I woulda most definitely succumbed the pressure that kind of pressure w the stakes so high. Sprinkle on the terrible guilt any normal person would have after butchering someone close and the damning evidence presented by the cops………. As detective Flores said “It’s over?” Her resilience is beyond belief. That’s where u can distinguish a true psycho vs. any normal person.

“Detective, I’m not a murderer!”

I can't even fucking see it. Shits too small. Guess I'm getting old.

I fucking cackled which helped with the anger towards her so thank you for that.

@B V I can't even tell what that emoji is, but you nailed it

I had to add my own. Smoking strong too. Lmao

I had to add my own. Smoking strong too. Lmao

Where is this found🤣 I am seeing the same comment but I can’t find it

@Amelia Bee The name of The Lord is holy

@Amelia Bee The name of The Lord is holy

Jodi when the investigator enters the room : 🙍

Jodi when the investigator enters the room : 🙍

@Kayvon Crenshaw are you alright mate, because you just wrote a ton without it having any relevance to what’s in the video?

When I first read your comment I haven’t been at this point in the video yet so I thought you were exaggerating xD But she really did that lmao

Yes, she is rather umm…..bendy, isn’t she? 😂

Yes, she is rather umm…..bendy, isn’t she? 😂

@Abdulkader Khojema it's not required by law. But interrogating the suspect and managing to have a confession = guilty verdict. Can prevent going through expensive and traumatizing (for the victims) process of a trial.

this comment has committed me to Finnish this video so I get the joke

WTF is she doing she is under an investigation for murder and she just singing and and dancing she is a lunatic

I wonder if this is the first time that emoji was actually used. Lol

@A W I think she should have, it would have been A LOT worse for her than jail.

... And let's rummage thru the garbage can too! O.o

I thought she would do some exorcism kind of shit right there

@Shan true

But at the same time she is completely insane

The way she acts is just as disturbing as the murder

That is just how she is
She might act some and lie a ton but deep down I don't see her even understanding or having a bit of remorse her eyes empty it is scary af

Why I read this as soon as it happened 😭😭😂

Why I read this as soon as it happened 😭😭😂

@Abdulkader Khojema no it just makes it so much easier

She will have plenty of times to do that stuff

She will have plenty of times to do that stuff

@Abdulkader Khojema it depends on how pretty and young you are.

@Abdulkader Khojema I believe they try and get one because it’s easier to convict in court if they confess. And a lot of times a court wants to know why they committed the crime and they can only find that out if the suspect tells them.

@Louis M. damn they should bring that back

@Louis M. damn they should bring that back

@Louis M. guess you’ll have to be less vague than back theb

The way she talks reminds me of Meghan Markle

The way she talks reminds me of Meghan Markle

@King Dingaling STOPPPPPPPPPPPLSLSSL SHHSHS

@King Dingaling STOPPPPPPPPPPPLSLSSL SHHSHS

What I don't understand is why do the police interogate criminals who they already have solid evidence to prove they are guilty? Is it a U.S law to require a confession from a suspect?

I'd pay to watch her tell the story of her breakdown and the short Mexican guy while doing a handstand....

Thank you for making something so disturbing into something so hilarious!!! 😅😂

@Shan did she realize that there were camera’s watching her at that point

this cracked me up.  i needed that... i just watched some cartel murder videos a few minutes ago that shook me up, but i feel better after that laugh.  thanks

Oh god I was drinking tea, my poor keyboard 😂

Oh god I was drinking tea, my poor keyboard 😂

Jodi with investigator is in the room:
>crying, begging for her freedom, talking about God and the ten commandments

Jodi when investigator leaves
>breakdancing

Maybe she thought if all goes wrong she can act as if she went insane and go to a mental institution instead of a prison 🤔

otherwise I think breakdancing during interview for a first degree murder might be considered a little inappropriate and I'm disappointed this wasn't addressed in court by either side

@Sunshine In Africa yes she would. A lot of people back then who murdered were publicly executed

@Louis M. the fuck? she wouldn’t have lol

@Louis M. the fuck? she wouldn’t have lol

The emoji is even dressed kinda like her lol

The emoji is even dressed kinda like her lol


Right after she asked “is it because I’m not crying” in regards to why she doesn’t look innocent, she started fake crying and whining when she talks. I think she realized she should’ve showed more emotion during her acting and so she gives it a go but it ended up making her look worse

@boiii Chris Watts is past the creepiest thing I've ever seen.

Read this while it was happening on my screen, wow.

same as what i was thinking. Like Chris Watt's interview, when the interrogator pointed out he wasn't crying for his missing family, he started trying to cry in front of them. And it wasn't even a very convincing attempt, and it was so obviously fake.

My gosh. She is such a horribly inhumane creature. She tells the interviewer after the verdict "..longevity runs in my family.." . How does that thought enter a person's brain ?

Same as Chris Watts. Both are sociopaths

jim literally said it’s real emotion but it’s anguish about her situation not fake crying about travis


I love how he’s so annoyed by her and calls the cop a hero and says he “valiantly endures her rambling”

„ He endured as much prayer talk as humanly possible“ lol

valiantly
adverb
UK  /ˈvæl.i.ənt.li/ US  /ˈvæl.i.ənt.li/

in a way that is brave or determined when a situation is very difficult...

Again it's just a manipulative behavior like " you are a good person if you are kind to me ".


“I kicked a dog once... we had a dog once, his name was Doggy Boy”

I mean... I couldn’t help but laugh!

@Desert Moon lee could you use -how do  you call it (.) and (,) once in a while. english is my second language. thanks. i know i said something about a dog, that was a joke. i thought that was obvious. love from europa. yes and something else, i like dogs, i am a owner of a dog and i have to disagree on this matter. i think the only charachteristic that dog has is care. he lives for you. and yes, it is important to him that you feed him, but it is more than just that. i could give you 10000 reasons, but there are more pressing issues in hand. free jodi. love from europa

@Desert Moon lee like the human race.....

💸 ʇ u ǝ ɹ ʎ ɐ d ʇ u o ʍ ǝ ɹ ᴉ n ɓ ɐ ɯ ʎ ʅ ʅ n q💸

@Novak the dog don’t care about you or any of us unless you feed them, all creatures alive are capable of harm stop making dogs like sweet angels where they capable of killing other animals, children and causing harm what matter reason is all creatures are capable of harm. American dog culture is so toxic

I would feel bad for the dog, but she clearly made the story up.<br>Doggie boy....wow

I would feel bad for the dog, but she clearly made the story up.
Doggie boy....wow

@Matan  I dunno, at least Elon put an effort in to naming his child.

@Cheap Creep better then Elon musks kid tbh

Must have been the funniest shit ive ever heard😂😂

I had a cat once that was named kitty boy

it just goes  to show how empathetic she is.  poor dog


"I'm not a racist some of my best friends are black". Jodi "I'm not a murderer, some of my best friends are alive".

@Nkosikhona Hlatshwayo what with the doggy boy comment. Lol

I know your just using an example but dude you can be racist and not wish death on other races. It's normal to have a preference for your own kind

@Cheesy Quaver , Hardcore Ravers United you might be on to something here!

@Cheesy Quaver , Hardcore Ravers United To hell with Doggy Boy, I want to know what happened to the Ninjas!

@Snickering Pigeon i don't get how racism works then.

Денис Охритько

“All of my ex boyfriends are alive does that help my case? “💀😂

Damn!!!! I’m loving this!!! You should quilt this on a pillow! And I’m not even being sarcastic. 🏆 This is for you today!

Why does this reminds me of  "I was not punching you, I was just hitting you".

Well you would not have black best friends if you are racist, do you?

Денис Охритько

@Moore Chess Oh no, thanks for pointing this out. I’m lazy,don’t read all the comments and forget people like the mentioned exist. It’s a good point well made. Hope you and yours are well in this difficult time.

while im here, does anybody know why more than half of the jcs videos have disappeared?? i am getting nervous by this

@Adam Druett i thought they were using jodi's excuse as an analogy to criticize the idea that "im not racist because i have black friends". i could see lots of people agreeing and lots of others disagreeing

@Cheesy Quaver , Hardcore Ravers United some people seem to really say that kind of stuff and be serious, such as angela lewis here

@Angela Lewis actually, it is debatable whether one's "racism" can be reformed (partly because racism lacks a coherent definition). in contrast, there is no question that a murderer cannot stop being a murderer

@Moore Chess racism cannot be reversed idc what you think, the most racist people can have mixed partners but they're still racist and act accordingly.

@Moore Chess yeah I think they were joking.

@Moore Chess what a brilliant sense of humour you must have.

its not comparable. racism in ur mind is about a fundamental belief or physiological reaction. murder is a deliberate physical behavior for one, and secondly one of those things that u cannot reverse unlike racism.

Are they though. I want to know what happened to doggy boy.

This is the best comment on the interweb.

"I'm not like homophobic, some of my friends are gay and I treat them the same🙄"

Great comparison for the delusion that goes on in her head lmao


Usually we're all impressed by the way the detectives force confession out of the suspect but here just the fact that the detective was able to endure her nonsensible lies for hours is beyond impressive

@Lord Thornton Eddington to be honest, if I've been in jail and had the opportunity to read what other people think of what I did - I probably would've read it if I could. Such temptation would be too hard to resist, for me at least.

I wish she could read all of our comments making fun of her

Maybe they can read them to her while she’s stuck in prison

This is underwear designed specifically for farts

jodi really said 'im not locked in with you, YOU'RE LOCKED IN WITH ME'

@SleckSloucher I find his  endurance non impressive

@Truth seeker Objection, Relevance.

This had nothing to do with his entertainment factor, solely his endurance.

The detective is boring and repeats himself over and over and over again .

Forget that, the attendants of her trial have been put through much worse


The worst part is that she still doesn't confess. She still isnt remorseful. She's a cold hearted killer.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym

1. okay fair enough you don’t need to do things for others
2. sorry about that, I didn’t know

@hall I can't be asked to write correctly on YT... whats the point 2. I am not native.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym I actually  agree with you… It’s just hard for me to read your comments, so I wanted to be able to read them comfortably, no need to be so rude man…

I have personal experience with what you describe, almost all the women I’ve known have been very emotional people that are less rational in decision making. This actually resulted in my mother verbally abusing me and my father while showing blatant favouritism towards my younger brothers.

@hall Nope... it has nothing to do with what I said you are mad you dont have arguments againts my facts so you have to attack something else...

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym Every single comment of yours is very hard for me to read with dysgraphia. Can you please put some like, punctuation in there?

@Coracias Bird    Glad you prioritized comfort and practicality. Don't buy into things that hinder your mobility and agility, safety, headspace and time. Don’t feel pressured to follow patriarchal beauty standard, we are not here as an object for the male gaze. You didn’t like these things to begin with, they were forced upon you on the name of culture, you were bombed with  it from all the sides through (media, upbringing..etc), you can’t skip the brainwash, so don’t feel guilty when you are resisting it. You didn’t felt good about them for a reason, trust your intuition. These things are what they made (patriarchy) to make you busy, divert your attention from what’s important, make you spend your hard earned money to entertain the male gaze. These are made for your objectification. You are a whole human, you should prioritize your personhood, the outside things doesn’t define you.
Makeup and high heels were invented by a man for other men to begin with, it wasn’t made for women, but then later women got to experienced it and it eventually become something worn by both sexes. Later, males dropped it after seeing how it was unproductive and waste of resources, sadly some women didn’t get the memo. As for the emotion thing, I don’t know how ppl can be this ignorant to the patriarchal projection. Males are the most emotional, irrational species that set foot on earth, and saying women are the emotional is just plain projection. Women aren’t the ones who go in shooting spree just because they couldn’t handle their emotions.
Lastly, this “feminine/masculine” foolish terms that I see in English speaking countries, got to be the lamest patriarchal attempt to brainwash their ppl and it appears that they succeed somehow. I don’t know how they got some of you, with this sexist use of language. Creating silly terms then make a list of adjectives under both of them 😂, I can’t with the audacity lol. Its just bizarre cultural construct. It's just shtty attempt of the western patriarchy to label and genderise attributes and personalities that shared by all HUMANS in order to limit and classify human expression. It's very repressive and harming, it’s a tool to maintain the patriarchy and to keep the oppressed oppressed. In my native language/culture we don’t have such stupid terms or lebels. We don’t genderise attributes, personalities and morals shared by all humans nor we genderise objects, like cloths, colors, hobbies, food etc. I mainly see Americans running with this foolery. I remember the first time I heard these silly terms when a guy (he was from Wyoming/USA) were asking me about my culture attires, I told him in my tribe (I’m African btw) we (both females&males) wear a dress as per our culture cutoms, not only that, males from all African countries (54), and all of Asia (48) have a DRESS as their traditional custom and not pants. He went on calling them not rEal mEn, mAsCuliNe and whatnot. I was like wtf is mAscUliNe?
I told him its not his place to define a male, the only thing that define a male is his chromosome. If he's an xy then he is an cry. No amount of rules your western patriarchy make can make him less than a man. If I wouldve told him about the other things in my culture that are the opposit of his "masculine/feminine" fantasy crap, he would've called us aliens. So my point is, try to deprogramme this foolery from your system. Take all the positive attributes to maximize your success and survival rates. Never allow the fragile patriarchy to monopolize human attributes, it’s not theirs and it will never be.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym "you got offened by the truth and you just wrote a long paragraph for nothing" <b>*writes an entire essay*</b>

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym "you got offened by the truth and you just wrote a long paragraph for nothing" **writes an entire essay**

My older brother killed his second wife in 1986. It took to 1998 to say he made a wrong chose.

Had a little experience of a narcissist. I believe she still thinks she hasn’t done it.

She confessed in trial but as self defense

She seems sociopathic and narcissistic, which probably makes it all the more hard for her to be honest. Sociopaths have a lack of empathy which is why they lie in the first place. She did never tell the truth until the last minute, but was unnecessary because all fingers pointed to her.

@scifinerd17 bro calm down he ended this

@Coracias Bird my god! Calm down both of you! You don’t need to Novel the shit out of the comments

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym you’re the type of person people need to watch out for

@Coracias Bird I was going to comment, but I felt that what you wrote encapsulated everything perfectly in an incredibly mature and respectful way that didn’t put down either side of opinions. I commend you for your writing skills and the way you explore subjects people find difficult to remain civil on. It was a pleasure to read, even though it was not directed my way at all lol!

@Coracias Bird naah I like to read... I said that I should use google trandlator to make corrections in my writing because I am not English speaker. Have a nice night... you dissagree with him and I agree with him because every thing what he said is true in MINE experience as many men too.. again have a nice night or day

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym
Well, it’s good you have people to talk to and be less closed off with, but that doesn’t change the fact that being closed off emotionally is often very detrimental in relationships. And the idea that as long as the man is happy the woman will be as well is just… ridiculous. Of course if someone you care about is happy that’ll make you happier as well, that’s a no-brainer, but women are just as complex as men. There’s so many factors to happiness and feeling content in life, and if someone is feeling lesser and like they’re lacking control in their relationship that’s a recipe for unease. Nobody I’ve met in my life has ever wanted to be viewed as subhuman in their relationships, and that’s what it’s like to be a woman in a relationship with someone who has this mindset. It’s dehumanizing.

And, well, just because you haven’t personally seen it or had personal experience with it doesn’t really mean much when there’s other factors at play here. Confirmation bias, being one of them, but also just the general crowd you might hang out with. People’s closest friends are almost always likeminded people, so if you’ve got friends who aren’t successful in relationships there could also be similar underlying failings. Which would make sense as to why it’d seem like a common and normal occurrence. Especially if they also have some misogyny, it might not necessarily be the vulnerability that’s making women leave, but could actually be other parts of those relationships as well, and the prior vulnerability is just incidental and being used as a scapegoat (not to mention, the women may not be the most reasonable, either. I wouldn’t know, I haven’t met them personally. There’s so many variables, here, and chalking it up to some weird animalistic idea that women are just inferior and selfish isn’t realistic.)

And, well, if you haven’t heard of any successful relationships where the man is emotionally open, then you may not be looking hard enough. My own parental figures (I was adopted pretty late in life, long story, I just feel weird calling them parents for my own reasons, not really relevant) have been together for over 35 years, maybe longer? I don’t remember exactly how long, but they’re both very open and vulnerable with each other, and that’s what’s let them last for as long as they have as healthy as they’ve been together. They’ve never fought, nor have they broken up or anything else along those lines at any point, and the very few disagreements they had when I was around weren’t that severe. They both work, but they make time to spend together as well, and I’d say they’re absolutely model parents. Not perfect, but the best I could’ve asked for, and they’re amazing for each other.

I’ve seen Richard Cooper’s channel before, actually, and heavily disagree with him. I know many of the red-pill and similar talking points, that’s why I felt comfortable replying to you in the first place, but you don’t seem receptive to really hearing me out. I actually used to watch Entrepreneurs in Cars just to laugh at how absurd it was, and more recently have listened to other people’s reactions to it as well, so I’m well-acquainted.

I’m not referring to using Google Translate for translation, I’m referring to the text to speech option. So, instead of reading all my comments, you could copy and paste it in and just listen to it instead if you or anyone else wanted to. A lot of people decide something is too long to read, which I understand, which is why I brought this up.

Anyways, that’s all, even if I get notified by YouTube I’m done with this thread since I’m just super tired, haha. Whether any of this reached you or not, have a nice day.

@Coracias Bird I can show my emotions to my therapist, male friends or family members but not to my GF... idk what you dont understand... when men is happy his women will be happy when he is sad she will feel the same because of the connection... I saw it played soo many times like you wont change my mind rly because I never saw a realationship or I never heard of one which last till this day after when men opens up to their women... "hypergamy doesnt care" by Richard cooper watch it and his channell too so you will understand my mindsey more... I am not Native Eng and I cant be asked to use google translator because  most of the times ot translate incorrectly.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym
Not to mention, you’re claiming that masculinity is going away, but this isn’t the case. “Masculinity” is being embraced by women, as well, just as “femininity” is being more frequently embraced by men. What’s going away isn’t masculinity, because masculinity is still accepted and celebrated, just as femininity is, just as both should be, what’s decreasing is the insidious stigma that you have to preform masculinity or femininity in line with your gender to the extreme. That you have to actively avoid and other the assigned mannerisms, roles, preferences, etc. that don’t align with your societally enforced gender, even if this is actively detrimental to you. It’s so arbitrary and unreasonable when put under a microscope, and as I said in my first reply these ideals aren’t as prevalent in many other cultures, present day and throughout history, because they aren’t part of your DNA, nor are they part of your inherent psychology. It’s social.

That doesn’t mean it isn’t real, but it’s moldable, not set in stone or inherent. The fact that these ideas have gradually been broken down has only made people happier and made relationships healthier. People have been able to feel more authentic to themselves, and that’s a wonderful thing that shouldn’t be shamed. Pushing traits onto someone in general, regardless of gender, isn’t helpful. This is something you seem to have failed to acknowledge.

The fact that you believe this is solely women’s fault and not men pushing these values is just… well, you know what I’m going to say here. It’s incorrect. Both men and women have pushed gender norms, and are currently pushing gender norms, although at their core these roles are far more damaging to women than they are for men. They’re damaging for both, but men are the ones who gain the most power because of them. Not to say women don’t also gain some influence; I already mentioned how the idea that women are weak due to their femininity is a double edged sword, it’s exceedingly harmful in day to day life for many but can also be extremely useful in a court setting, but generally speaking it’s men who have power with this mindset, whether it be in relationships, the workplace, politically, etc. etc.

So… no, women shouldn’t be solely taking responsibility, although neither should men. Both genders should be working together to help demolish these pressures and roles for the better of everyone in society. Like I’ve said, it’s nuanced, and your views don’t give room for this.

”trust me if we would be alone in this world (only men) we would show us emotons or at least if women nature wouldnt be to reject weak men...”

Getting back to the point where I stated that toxic masculinity is harmful for men, this is just one example. You stated you would, in an ideal world, be open about expressing emotions. The reason you believe you can’t is because women will inherently reject men who don’t keep their feelings hidden, but this is just flawed and incorrect, as I went into earlier. This also ignores the fact that men who embrace toxic masculinity also shame other men for expressing emotions, because this is arbitrarily “feminine,” and in this worldview men shouldn’t be feminine. Repressing emotions isn’t healthy; bottling them up, as every therapist will tell you, is one of the worst ways to cope with them, and only leads to instability in the long run and to harming the people around you as well as yourself. Men shouldn’t be forced into this situation just because they’re men, and it’s other men as well as the men who are being negatively affected that are the ones pushing this.

There is nothing in female nature that makes emotional vulnerability unappealing.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym
Not to mention, you’re claiming that masculinity is going away, but this isn’t the case. “Masculinity” is being embraced by women, as well, just as “femininity” is being more frequently embraced by men. What’s going away isn’t masculinity, because masculinity is still accepted and celebrated, just as femininity is, just as both _should be,_ what’s decreasing is the insidious stigma that you _have_ to preform masculinity or femininity in line with your gender to the extreme. That you have to actively avoid and other the assigned mannerisms, roles, preferences, etc. that don’t align with your societally enforced gender, even if this is actively detrimental to you. It’s so arbitrary and unreasonable when put under a microscope, and as I said in my first reply these ideals aren’t as prevalent in many other cultures, present day and throughout history, because they _aren’t_ part of your DNA, nor are they part of your inherent psychology. It’s social.

That doesn’t mean it isn’t real, but it’s moldable, not set in stone or inherent. The fact that these ideas have gradually been broken down has only made people happier and made relationships healthier. People have been able to feel more authentic to themselves, and that’s a wonderful thing that shouldn’t be shamed. Pushing traits onto someone in general, regardless of gender, isn’t helpful. This is something you seem to have failed to acknowledge.

The fact that you believe this is solely women’s fault and _not_ men pushing these values is just… well, you know what I’m going to say here. It’s incorrect. Both men and women have pushed gender norms, and are _currently_ pushing gender norms, although at their core these roles are far more damaging to women than they are for men. They’re damaging for both, but men are the ones who gain the most power because of them. Not to say women don’t also gain some influence; I already mentioned how the idea that women are weak due to their femininity is a double edged sword, it’s exceedingly harmful in day to day life for many but can also be extremely useful in a court setting, but generally speaking it’s men who have power with this mindset, whether it be in relationships, the workplace, politically, etc. etc.

So… no, women shouldn’t be solely taking responsibility, although neither should men. Both genders should be working together to help demolish these pressures and roles for the better of everyone in society. Like I’ve said, it’s nuanced, and your views don’t give room for this.

_”trust me if we would be alone in this world (only men) we would show us emotons or at least if women nature wouldnt be to reject weak men...”_

Getting back to the point where I stated that toxic masculinity is harmful for men, this is just one example. You stated you would, in an ideal world, be open about expressing emotions. The reason you believe you can’t is because women will inherently reject men who don’t keep their feelings hidden, but this is just flawed and incorrect, as I went into earlier. This also ignores the fact that men who embrace toxic masculinity also shame other men for expressing emotions, because this is arbitrarily “feminine,” and in this worldview _men shouldn’t be feminine._ Repressing emotions isn’t healthy; bottling them up, as every therapist will tell you, is one of the worst ways to cope with them, and only leads to instability in the long run and to harming the people around you as well as yourself. Men shouldn’t be forced into this situation just because they’re men, and it’s _other men as well as the men who are being negatively affected_ that are the ones pushing this.

There is nothing in female nature that makes emotional vulnerability unappealing.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym
“Men cant cry we are the strong sex we are leaders e.g in relation ships women likes to be feminin they dont like "wearing pants" in relation ships they want to be lead by strong masculin male... you are women so you see it from your own perspective but the idea of showing emotions is rly bad... sometimes the best option is to hide them to not lose respect and even women at the end...”

This is purely societally enforced and not inherent to being male or female. Heck, even the idea that one person needs to be more dominant in a relationship in general isn’t actually a completely natural, uncontrollable, inherent, or even ideal thing, although I don’t think that this in itself is bad at all as long as both partners are equally respected and heard in this dynamic.

I’m a woman, as you and I have both stated, and just my existence disproves this very generalizing statement. I don’t want to be lead by a strong, masculine male. I don’t want to be lead by a strong, masculine female, either. I don’t want to be lead, I want to work with my partner because we both should be bringing our own ideas and abilities to the table. A relationship is a collaborative effort, and I wouldn’t want my partner to take charge in every situation, nor would I want to do so, either. Whoever’s up for it should take charge, and it varies depending on what is being done or agreed upon. Both my and my partner’s input are important, neither of us should always default to taking priority because that’s just begging for a toxic relationship.

You’re right on one point, and it’s that I see life from a female perspective. Every single person in general comes from their own perspective, and it’s impossible to fully understand where exactly another person is coming from. That being said? This doesn’t make me incapable of relating to and empathizing with what you’re saying. That also doesn’t mean I don’t listen to and understand other people’s perspectives around me. I’ll never know what it’s like to live as a man, but as I said before there isn’t much of an inherent difference between the male and female brain, so although I personally don’t have the same and won’t live the full extent of the societal pressures men face it’s not as if I can’t grasp them at all. You won’t ever know what it’s like to live as a woman, either, so to use this to invalidate my point without impacting your own is illogical when you’re speaking with authority about both sexes.

But, still, as I said before, it’s not as if I can’t relate whatsoever. I actually had a mindset that some would argue is bit similar to what you believe, due to coming from the same underlying values, when I was around the ages of 10-14, since I spent some of my childhood in a conservative household.

I didn’t have the strict idea of gender roles, like the rigid idea that men are a certain way and women are a certain way and that a man should be as stereotypically masculine as possible while also being the head of the household. Just the idea that showing emotions, opening up, and displaying any sort of “femininity” would make others see me as incapable and weak. I was very keen on guarding how I was feeling, taking charge of most situations whenever possible even if I wasn’t actually the most qualified to do so (although this came in part from a bit of a gifted kid complex pre the archetypal gifted kid burnout, as well, and the fact that I on some deep level always believed I was better and more capable than my peers), and I was viscerally disgusted by and uncomfortable with being associated with anything “girly.” I wouldn’t be caught dead with makeup, and God forbid somebody tried to give me something with pink on it. You could’ve even called me a walking “not like other girls” stereotype, in that regard, although if I’m being honest it wasn’t actually all that prevalent (it’s not as if I thought about it much or really realized where these preferences and actions were coming from until reflecting on it a few years later) and I am playing it up for emphasis. It was mainly just internalized ideas that deterred me from items and behaviors that would make me seem feminine… or in my eyes, without even really realizing this was what I believed, lesser and unintelligent. I wanted people to see me as reliable and useful, and I feared that if that wasn’t the case I’d no longer be needed.

This was wrong of me, and I had the humility to realize this. I still don’t like a lot of stereotypically feminine stuff; the idea of things like makeup and dresses and “feminine” colors being air-headed and stupid are deeply ingrained in me even when I can acknowledge that this is not factual, and frankly it’s just not my style at all, but despite this I can now wear some plain black dresses without worrying as much about it somehow dumbing me down or changing how people think of me irreparably or anything like that. I’m still learning more about myself and improving every day, and I’m working on these internalized biases. I’m lucky that I never got to the point of trying to push them on others around me, because I’d feel exceedingly guilty for it. I guess the major difference here is that you are pushing and enforcing these ideas, not only to your own detriment but even more so to other people’s detriment, especially women.

As I mentioned before, everyone experiences emotions, and I wouldn’t lose respect for anyone just because they’re honest about what they’re feeling. I actually have far more respect, because it shows confidence to feel comfortable with being vulnerable, but also just because I’d get to better understand and relate to the person who’s showing this vulnerability.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym
_“Men cant cry we are the strong sex we are leaders e.g in relation ships women likes to be feminin they dont like "wearing pants" in relation ships they want to be lead by strong masculin male... you are women so you see it from your own perspective but the idea of showing emotions is rly bad... sometimes the best option is to hide them to not lose respect and even women at the end...”_

This is purely societally enforced and not inherent to being male or female. Heck, even the idea that one person needs to be more dominant in a relationship in general isn’t actually a completely natural, uncontrollable, inherent, or even ideal thing, although I don’t think that this in itself is bad at all as long as both partners are equally respected and heard in this dynamic.

I’m a woman, as you and I have both stated, and just my existence disproves this very generalizing statement. I don’t want to be lead by a strong, masculine male. I don’t want to be lead by a strong, masculine female, either. I don’t want to be _lead,_ I want to work with my partner because we *both* should be bringing our own ideas and abilities to the table. A relationship is a collaborative effort, and I wouldn’t want my partner to take charge in every situation, nor would I want to do so, either. Whoever’s up for it should take charge, and it varies depending on *what* is being done or agreed upon. Both my and my partner’s input are important, neither of us should always default to taking priority because that’s just *_begging_* for a toxic relationship.

You’re right on one point, and it’s that I see life from a female perspective. Every single person in _general_ comes from their own perspective, and it’s impossible to fully understand where exactly another person is coming from. That being said? This doesn’t make me incapable of relating to and empathizing with what you’re saying. That also doesn’t mean I don’t listen to and understand other people’s perspectives around me. I’ll never know what it’s like to live as a man, but as I said before there isn’t much of an inherent difference between the male and female brain, so although I personally don’t have the same and won’t live the full extent of the societal pressures men face it’s not as if I can’t grasp them at all. You won’t ever know what it’s like to live as a woman, either, so to use this to invalidate my point without impacting your own is illogical when you’re speaking with authority about both sexes.

But, still, as I said before, it’s not as if I can’t relate whatsoever. I actually had a mindset that some would argue is bit similar to what you believe, due to coming from the same underlying values, when I was around the ages of 10-14, since I spent some of my childhood in a conservative household.

I didn’t have the strict idea of gender roles, like the rigid idea that men are a certain way and women are a certain way and that a man should be as stereotypically masculine as possible while also being the head of the household. Just the idea that showing emotions, opening up, and displaying any sort of “femininity” would make others see me as incapable and weak. I was very keen on guarding how I was feeling, taking charge of most situations whenever possible even if I wasn’t actually the most qualified to do so (although this came in part from a bit of a gifted kid complex pre the archetypal gifted kid burnout, as well, and the fact that I on some deep level always believed I was better and more capable than my peers), and I was viscerally disgusted by and uncomfortable with being associated with anything “girly.” I wouldn’t be caught dead with makeup, and God forbid somebody tried to give me something with _pink_ on it. You could’ve even called me a walking “not like other girls” stereotype, in that regard, although if I’m being honest it wasn’t actually all that prevalent (it’s not as if I thought about it much or really realized where these preferences and actions were coming from until reflecting on it a few years later) and I _am_ playing it up for emphasis. It was mainly just internalized ideas that deterred me from items and behaviors that would make me seem feminine… or in my eyes, without even really realizing this was what I believed, lesser and unintelligent. I wanted people to see me as reliable and useful, and I feared that if that wasn’t the case I’d no longer be needed.

This was wrong of me, and I had the humility to realize this. I still don’t like a lot of stereotypically feminine stuff; the idea of things like makeup and dresses and “feminine” colors being air-headed and stupid are deeply ingrained in me even when I can acknowledge that this is not factual, and frankly it’s just not my style at all, but despite this I can now wear some plain black dresses without worrying as much about it somehow dumbing me down or changing how people think of me irreparably or anything like that. I’m still learning more about myself and improving every day, and I’m working on these internalized biases. I’m lucky that I never got to the point of trying to push them on others around me, because I’d feel exceedingly guilty for it. I guess the major difference here is that you *are* pushing and enforcing these ideas, not only to your *own* detriment but even more so to other people’s detriment, especially women.

As I mentioned before, everyone experiences emotions, and I wouldn’t lose respect for anyone just because they’re honest about what they’re feeling. I actually have far *more* respect, because it shows confidence to feel comfortable with being vulnerable, but also just because I’d get to better understand and relate to the person who’s showing this vulnerability.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym
Surprisingly, I actually got the notification for once, so I actually will be responding! Thanks, YouTube.

Anyways, I wrote wayyy more than I meant to, I definitely got carried away. I get it’s extremely annoying for some people to read this much, especially since some might be less literate than others, and there’s no shame in that at all, so feel free to shove this text into Google Translate or some reading software if you want to listen to it audiobook-style instead. It’s certainly the length of your average book, anyways, haha. You might want to cut out the points I’m addressing if you do copy and paste, though, since there’s a lot of spelling errors in what I’m arguing against that might sound really wonky (again, no shame, this is just a casual internet discussion, but it would definitely impact your ability to understand it since a computer’s just going to read off what it sees without the nuance you’d get reading it yourself). I considered just writing those parts with correct spelling and grammar myself, but I wanted to stay true to the original comment when typing this out. I’ll also be separating this comment into pieces so it can… actually be posted. Anyways, yeah, I’m definitely putting too much effort into this, I promise I have far more interesting hobbies, this is just something that gets me especially entertained and I’m quick to get invested in meaningless debates like this.
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“you got offened by the truth and you just wrote a long paragraph for nothing… I didn’t wrote anything bad, and you just back up my comment”

Except it isn’t the truth, and I explained why that’s the case calmly and concisely. Of course, you didn’t even bother to address my points, because if you did you wouldn’t have any legs to stand on since this idea is nonsensical. The idea that women aren’t logical is offensive, full stop, because it’s actively harmful and an idea perpetuated by sexist men to gain power over women by degrading their self worth and limiting their ability to gain positions of authority. So, yes, you actually did say something “bad.” That being said, I wasn’t all that offended since I tend to feel pretty disconnected in general, especially when it comes to stuff online (ironically enough, since you claim that people of the female sex are impulsive in acting exclusively on emotions without a second thought.) The fact that you say it proves your point actually proves my own previous point that you might be overconfident and unable to self-reflect, considering your immediate assumption when somebody disagrees with you is that they’re just being irrational instead of even trying to consider their view.

That’s how you fall into cultish and cookie-cutter mindsets without even noticing; you can’t even acknowledge you might be wrong, so even if a more reasonable and logical idea is presented you won’t actually allow yourself to properly consider it and weigh it against your own values. You won’t even allow yourself to analyze your reasoning for what you yourself believe in, which is especially insidious when you’ve clearly adopted ideas near mindlessly from pickup artists and other YouTubers in the same vein just because they felt appealing to you and fit some of your own bad experiences with women on a very surface-level. Instead of coming to these conclusions yourself with any sort of nuance or proper questioning. And, no, not for nothing, somebody else may find it entertaining to read through, regardless as to whether it reaches you or not, and I myself actually get a bit giddy whenever I have the opportunity to write stuff like this out. It’s actually quite fun, and helps me brush up on my writing abilities a tad, too, even if in the long run it doesn’t make an impact.

Anyways, if your logic is that me writing a paragraph to you means I’m offended and illogical, then the fact you responded to me makes you offended and illogical as well. Except this is exceedingly stupid, and I don’t think either of us are being illogical just for responding to each other. You’ve disagreed with me, and I’m giving you the basic respect of trying to fully understand and consider what you’re saying, even if you yourself weren’t capable of that.

“Men can’t express emotions as soon as we show ur emotions the women who said to open up are the first one to leave you and see you ad weak men… its in our DNA we cant change it”

Except this is just straight-up wrong. I’m sorry you’ve possibly had traumatic experiences where a woman shamed you or abandoned you for opening up, that’s a horrible thing to go through, but just like every single individual man is different every individual woman is different and shouldn’t be lumped into one big conglomerate of, “well, some women said this, and then this other woman did this, therefore all women are hypocrites.” Men often leave women once they start getting “problematic,” too, since they might not have the sufficient maturity or empathy to care enough about the woman to help her through her hardships.

This isn’t about being seen as weak, this is a situation that’s different from individual to individual to different scenario to different scenario, and it has nuance. In one case, someone may feel uncomfortable with what their partner opens up about, possibly due to their own insecurity, and leave them, or in another case they hardly even viewed them as any more than an asset instead of a person and were callous enough to not even want to “deal with” them “acting up.” Not a gender thing at all, this is just some people being immature, irresponsible, or, excuse my profanity, very shitty. Communication is key in relationships, being able to be open, set boundaries, and listen to what your partner is telling you is important, and if you can’t even do that then you’re bound to be incompatible regardless of who you’re with.

Also, in our DNA? No, that’s once again just blatantly false. There’s nothing in our psychology that makes us want to cut off someone for being vulnerable. If anything, vulnerability makes someone more relatable and human, which makes it much more appealing to spend time with and bond with someone. And, of course, someone who you feel connected and bonded to is someone you wouldn’t want out of your life, because you care for them.

I don’t date men, I’m queer and don’t have any attraction to them, but some of my closest friends are male. One of my friends has vented to me quite a bit, and I vent to him as well when I know he’s in a good mental state to feel comfortable with hearing about my trauma. He’s cried around me before, he’s also texted me during a breakdown before, and knowing what he’s going through only makes me that much more impressed and proud, because, like, holy fuck, he’s been through so much, and he’s going through so much and his head’s been so horrible to him, and the people around him have treated him so poorly yet he’s still getting through life and living, and my respect for that is through the roof and I (platonically) love him a whole lot. It makes me happy to be there for him and help him cope and express what he’s feeling when he’s really going through it, but also just any other small grievances, or anything in general. I’m happy that I can be someone positive in his life, and he does the same for me. Sometimes I go a while without talking to people, and that includes him, but that’s for my own personal reasons, and I’d never cut him off, ever. A lot of people have left him, romantic and platonic, although not for the reason you stated, but I’m willing to stick around for as long as I’m physically capable of it, and that doesn’t make me special at all. That’s normal. Most women and men feel the same way about people they care about, and whether there’s added romantic elements thrown in or not that’s still the case. You just gotta find someone who can love you for you and stop seeing relationships as purely transactional (plus work on curbing all that misogyny) and you absolutely have a chance at a long term and healthy relationship. Sorry for getting so personal and preachy, but I feel like this really helps add to my point.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym
Surprisingly, I actually got the notification for once, so I actually will be responding! Thanks, YouTube.

Anyways, I wrote wayyy more than I meant to, I definitely got carried away. I get it’s extremely annoying for some people to read this much, especially since some might be less literate than others, and there’s no shame in that at all, so feel free to shove this text into Google Translate or some reading software if you want to listen to it audiobook-style instead. It’s certainly the length of your average book, anyways, haha. You might want to cut out the points I’m addressing if you do copy and paste, though, since there’s a lot of spelling errors in what I’m arguing against that might sound *really* wonky (again, no shame, this is just a casual internet discussion, but it would definitely impact your ability to understand it since a computer’s just going to read off what it sees without the nuance you’d get reading it yourself). I considered just writing those parts with correct spelling and grammar myself, but I wanted to stay true to the original comment when typing this out. I’ll also be separating this comment into pieces so it can… actually be posted. Anyways, yeah, I’m definitely putting too much effort into this, I promise I have far more interesting hobbies, this is just something that gets me especially entertained and I’m quick to get invested in meaningless debates like this.
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_“you got offened by the truth and you just wrote a long paragraph for nothing… I didn’t wrote anything bad, and you just back up my comment”_

Except it isn’t the truth, and I explained why that’s the case calmly and concisely. Of course, you didn’t even bother to address my points, because if you did you wouldn’t have any legs to stand on since this idea is nonsensical. The idea that women aren’t logical _is_ offensive, full stop, because it’s actively harmful and an idea perpetuated by sexist men to gain power over women by degrading their self worth and limiting their ability to gain positions of authority. So, yes, you actually did say something “bad.” That being said, I wasn’t all that offended since I tend to feel pretty disconnected in general, *especially* when it comes to stuff online (ironically enough, since you claim that people of the female sex are impulsive in acting exclusively on emotions without a second thought.) The fact that you say it proves your point actually proves my own previous point that you might be overconfident and unable to self-reflect, considering your immediate assumption when somebody disagrees with you is that they’re just being irrational instead of even trying to consider their view.

That’s how you fall into cultish and cookie-cutter mindsets without even noticing; you can’t even acknowledge you might be wrong, so even if a more reasonable and logical idea is presented you won’t actually allow yourself to properly consider it and weigh it against your own values. You won’t even allow yourself to analyze your reasoning for what you yourself believe in, which is especially insidious when you’ve clearly adopted ideas near mindlessly from pickup artists and other YouTubers in the same vein just because they felt appealing to you and fit some of your own bad experiences with women on a very surface-level. Instead of coming to these conclusions yourself with any sort of nuance or proper questioning. And, no, not for nothing, somebody else may find it entertaining to read through, regardless as to whether it reaches _you_ or not, and I myself actually get a bit giddy whenever I have the opportunity to write stuff like this out. It’s actually quite fun, and helps me brush up on my writing abilities a tad, too, even if in the long run it doesn’t make an impact.

Anyways, if your logic is that me writing a paragraph to you means I’m offended and illogical, then the fact you responded to me makes you offended and illogical as well. Except this is exceedingly stupid, and I don’t think _either_ of us are being illogical just for responding to each other. You’ve disagreed with me, and I’m giving you the basic respect of trying to fully understand and consider what you’re saying, even if you yourself weren’t capable of that.

_“Men can’t express emotions as soon as we show ur emotions the women who said to open up are the first one to leave you and see you ad weak men… its in our DNA we cant change it”_

Except this is just straight-up wrong. I’m sorry you’ve possibly had traumatic experiences where a woman shamed you or abandoned you for opening up, that’s a horrible thing to go through, but just like every single individual man is different every individual woman is different and shouldn’t be lumped into one big conglomerate of, “well, some women said this, and then this other woman did this, therefore all women are hypocrites.” Men often leave women once they start getting “problematic,” too, since they might not have the sufficient maturity or empathy to care enough about the woman to help her through her hardships.

This isn’t about being seen as weak, this is a situation that’s different from individual to individual to different scenario to different scenario, and it has nuance. In one case, someone may feel uncomfortable with what their partner opens up about, possibly due to their own insecurity, and leave them, or in another case they hardly even viewed them as any more than an asset instead of a person and were callous enough to not even want to “deal with” them “acting up.” Not a gender thing at all, this is just some people being immature, irresponsible, or, excuse my profanity, very shitty. Communication is key in relationships, being able to be open, set boundaries, and listen to what your partner is telling you is important, and if you can’t even do that then you’re bound to be incompatible regardless of who you’re with.

Also, in our DNA? No, that’s once again just blatantly false. There’s nothing in our psychology that makes us want to cut off someone for being vulnerable. If anything, vulnerability makes someone more relatable and _human,_ which makes it much more appealing to spend time with and _bond_ with someone. And, of course, someone who you feel connected and bonded to is someone you wouldn’t want out of your life, because you _care_ for them.

I don’t date men, I’m queer and don’t have any attraction to them, but some of my closest friends are male. One of my friends has vented to me quite a bit, and I vent to him as well when I know he’s in a good mental state to feel comfortable with hearing about my trauma. He’s cried around me before, he’s also texted me during a breakdown before, and knowing what he’s going through only makes me that much more impressed and _proud,_ because, like, holy fuck, he’s been through _so much,_ and he’s *going* through _so much_ and his head’s been so _horrible_ to him, and the people around him have treated him so _poorly_ yet he’s still getting through life and _living,_ and my respect for that is through the roof and I (platonically) love him a whole lot. It makes me happy to be there for him and help him cope and express what he’s feeling when he’s really going through it, but also just any other small grievances, or anything in _general._ I’m happy that I can be someone positive in his life, and he does the same for me. Sometimes I go a while without talking to people, and that includes him, but that’s for my own personal reasons, and I’d never cut him off, _ever._ A lot of people have left him, romantic and platonic, although not for the reason you stated, but I’m willing to stick around for as long as I’m physically capable of it, and that doesn’t make me special at all. That’s *normal.* *Most* women _and_ men feel the same way about people they care about, and whether there’s added romantic elements thrown in or not that’s still the case. You just gotta find someone who can love you for you and stop seeing relationships as purely transactional (plus work on curbing all that misogyny) and you absolutely have a chance at a long term and healthy relationship. Sorry for getting so personal and preachy, but I feel like this really helps add to my point.

@Coracias Bird you got offened by the truth and you just wrote a long paragraph for nothing... I didnt wrote anything bad, you just back up my comment 😂 women are 100% the  emotional sex, men are the logic sex we are different biologically in mamy ways 2. Men cant express emotions as soon as we show ur emotions the women who said to open up are the first one to leave you and see you ad weak men... its in our DNA we cant change it 3. Men cant cry we are the strong sex we are leaders e.g in relation ships women likes to be feminin they dont like "wearing pants" in relation ships they want to be lead by strong masculin male... you are women so you see it from your own perspective but the idea of showing emotions is rly bad... sometimes the best option is to hide them to not lose respect and even women at the end... you domt get it so you will blame it on "toxic nasculinity" because you cant take resposibility... where 40% of boys have 100% feminin influencw in todays society.. 78% of teachers are female 2. 40% of boys have only mom... ( the lack of masculinity is a problem) start to take accountability for your actions women, trust me if we would be alone in this world ( only men) we would show us emotons or at least if women nature wouldnt be to reject weak men... not even weak men but as soon as u f0xk up in life e.g u lose money your women automaticcaly go to onother dude cuz thats nature she wants to be stable and safe and I accepted women as they are not as the disney mainstrram narrative is saying... I clearly can tell you never thought about it more deeper and longer... and having influence only by females are rly tragic.. just look up the statistics of how bad the % of something can i crease... just to give u clue 90% of priosners arw from single mothers household... you check rest statistucs cuz its scary.j

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym
How do people genuinely believe this? You’ve clearly never genuinely known a single woman in your life if your worldview is this black and white. I’m a woman, and I can say with certainty that I’m just as capable of experiencing, processing, and understanding emotion as any man, and that I’m far less mindlessly driven by it than quite a few of the men I know. There really isn’t much of an inherent difference, if any, between the two main sexes (not accounting for intersex people, although I highly doubt that’d make much of a difference, either) and how much they’re driven by emotion over logic (as if these two concepts are mutually exclusive and not often intertwined on a deep level in day to day life and the way society functions, especially when it comes to people’s morality and how decisions are weighed in how they affect you as well as others). The only reason there’s a perceived difference at all is due to the societal idea that being emotional is a weakness and that weakness is not only feminine, but also that by being at all feminine a man is somehow lesser, resulting in many men unhealthily and often subconsciously suppressing their emotions as well as feeling insecure about openly expressing them due to how people may view them. Which is total bull, especially when other cultures around the world don’t have this mindset, showing it’s taught, not natural. And when it’s also not based in any solid, scientific, provable evidence, to the point of having studies contradict it time and time again, but I digress. The fact that you’re so trapped by your biases that you’ve closed yourself off from understanding others this much just ‘cuz they don’t have a dick - to the point of full-on othering them, as if males and females are separate species altogether - is so ridiculous. You’re not superior or smarter in any way than almost half the population just because of your cock and higher testosterone levels; if anything the fact that you’ve reached this conclusion shows blatant naïveté and blind overconfidence.
Anyways, I’ve wasted enough time writing to someone who likely won’t ever acknowledge their faults, especially on account of the gender of the person pointing them out being one they clearly look down upon, and because of their own, and I’m being a bit presumptuous here, so maybe I’m wrong, stubbornness and lack of ability to self reflect. I rest my case and will not be returning to this thread… mainly because my notifications are broken, and I can’t be bothered to dig through comments for minutes on end just to find your comment again.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym
How do people genuinely believe this? You’ve clearly never genuinely known a single woman in your life if your worldview is this black and white. I’m a woman, and I can say with certainty that I’m just as capable of experiencing, processing, and understanding emotion as any man, and that I’m far less mindlessly driven by it than quite a few of the men I know. There really isn’t much of an inherent difference, if _any,_ between the two main sexes (not accounting for intersex people, although I highly doubt that’d make much of a difference, either) and how much they’re driven by emotion over logic (as if these two concepts are mutually exclusive and not often intertwined on a deep level in day to day life and the way society functions, especially when it comes to people’s morality and how decisions are weighed in how they affect you as well as others). The only reason there’s a perceived difference at all is due to the societal idea that being emotional is a weakness and that weakness is not only feminine, but also that by being at all feminine a man is somehow lesser, resulting in many men unhealthily and often subconsciously suppressing their emotions as well as feeling insecure about openly expressing them due to how people may view them. Which is total bull, especially when other cultures around the world _don’t_ have this mindset, showing it’s taught, not natural. And when it’s also not based in any solid, scientific, provable evidence, to the point of having studies *contradict* it time and time again, but I digress. The fact that you’re so trapped by your biases that you’ve closed yourself off from understanding others _this much_ just ‘cuz they don’t have a dick - to the point of full-on othering them, as if males and females are separate species altogether - is so ridiculous. You’re not superior or smarter in any way than almost half the population just because of your cock and higher testosterone levels; if anything the fact that you’ve reached this conclusion shows blatant naïveté and blind overconfidence.
Anyways, I’ve wasted enough time writing to someone who likely won’t ever acknowledge their faults, especially on account of the gender of the person pointing them out being one they clearly look down upon, and because of their own, and I’m being a bit presumptuous here, so maybe I’m wrong, stubbornness and lack of ability to self reflect. I rest my case and will not be returning to this thread… mainly because my notifications are broken, and I can’t be bothered to dig through comments for minutes on end just to find your comment again.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym huh? You do realize men are emotional too. Men have murdered out of PURE EMOTION. With no thought at all. Pure anger or hate or sadness. I hate when people say “women are emotional. They don’t think before they act”. Men are the same. We are all human so we are all going to experience EMOTIONS.

@NoHandGlovesInTheGym what? How is this related to logic? Remorse is a normal feeling in a almost every normal good person. Tf are you on about?

Nah its just women... they dont think logcially they do as they feel... they are emotional.

It wouldn't benefit her. The day it does she will do it.

It's awful trying to think how many monsters are living freely in this world feigning a completely placid façade and how closer than we think people like this may be.


I don't know why, but the lawyer getting so mad and berating her when she said the closet was bigger than her cell was really funny to me. "I didn't ask you where you live! Don't tell me where you live! I don't care where you live!"

He’s stopping her manipulating . It’s satisfying to see her not getting a chance to manipulate the jury.

@Nealo yeah, I agree. You should be able to too.

@kathi smith  When you are going to trial you are allowed to have civilian  Clothing

@T MB not true. not every defendant is given a bond (ie. flight risks) or can afford a bond, so they will remain in jail until they are found guilty/ innocent.

@T MB gonna have to show me proof of this. They are put in their own clothes so they don’t look like they did it and it’s a foregone conclusion. What ur saying gonna have to show me proof is in the details

@kathi smith Legally it matters. Convictions have been reversed due to the jury learning that the defendant was incarcerated during trial--either through testimony or because they were in a jumpsuit or shackled.

@T MB doesn’t matter if jury knows she’s incarcerated. They all assume she’s in jail because it’s a first degree murder trial.

“Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law”, while the phrase is certainly a facade and a false representation of our legal system, it would obviously be wrong to incarcerate a person who is presumed to be innocent, wouldn’t it?

@T MB idk I'm not saying you're wrong but that idea just seems silly to me. I figured the defendant being incarcerated or in custody was obvious. Especially for a big crime like murder. Learn something new everyday I suppose

@Asphalt - Cowboy94 its why defendants aren't shackled in court and don't wear prison attire.  Basic due process. Showing them in prison garb and/or learning they are incarcerated taints the jury.

@T MB how? If you're on trial for murder how would the jury knowing that you're in custodyend in a mistrial I mean is that not a given? How many murderers go to trial from their home and not jail, practically zero? That just sounds absurd to me unless I'm missing something.

Thats because its usually a mistrial if the jury finds out they are already incarcerated.

She’s trying to garner sympathy from the jury; “my living space is smaller than a closet, this is where you’ll make me live for the rest of my life if you find me guilty. Poor me”.


Jodi wanting to appear innocent
Detective: He would probably still be alive if you never met him
Also Jodi: yeah true that

*Jodi wanting to appear innocent*
Detective: He would probably still be alive if you never met him
Also Jodi: yeah true that


"after jodi failed her attempts to extract inside knowledge on the best way to behave in order to appear innocent she then attempts to explain why she hasn't been able to appear innocent" comedy gold


You know someone is a true narcissistic psychopath, when even in their completely deranged lie, they can't make a consistent story because they have to boast about their valiant efforts to safe the victim. Jodi didn't just went and lied about 2 imaginary people being there, but actively puts in the effort to try and seem like a hero which even further fucks up her story... Obviously just lying wouldn't make her a better person, but she is just so far gone in her narcissism that she really still thinks she can make herself seem good in that rediculous lie of hers...
Edit: 1:28:28 again such a self centered answer. Not a "I can't believe what happened to him and I witnessed that" kind of thing but a "me, me, me!" answer.

Yew gownna tayke awff yore pance, ent keece-a yore mawmuh?

@Leticia Villafranco You cannot compare the two cases at all......

@Leticia Villafranco What pisses me off is that Chris' mother Cindy Watts tried to publish a book titled "All My Broken Pieces." People understandably lost their minds and accused Cindy of attempting to further her Shanann smear campaign. This no doubt scared Cindy out of publishing her book. Frankly I hadn't seen such a fuss over a book about a crime in Colorado being published since 2016. This is the year that Sue Klebold- the mother of one of the Columbine High School shooters- published her book "A Mother's Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy." I respect Sue Klebold more than Cindy Watts because Sue is trying to turn her pain into purpose by becoming a mental health and suicide prevention advocate along with making funeral homes aware of brain donation.

@Leticia Villafranco Chris Watts is the definition of evil.

In that sense she reminds me of Chris Watts. Their usual I'm a really good soft spoken meek individual ask anyone. I could never hurt them. Bc I'm a good person. It's called superficial charm and is a characteristic of the narcissist. It also gives victims a false sense of security. When in reality it's the wolf in sheeps clothing metaphor. When the mask comes off it's already to late. The trap has been set!!!

For real…like she could’ve at least tried to tell a believable story but she’s so self aggrandising that she ended up shooting herself in the foot with a story that wouldn’t even make a believable movie


This whole time I am just wondering how someone didn't get up and said "what a load of crap this woman is shitting from her mouth"..<br>Kudos to the patience and professionalism of the detectives and all the officials who dealt with this hours and hours worth of rat shit.

This whole time I am just wondering how someone didn't get up and said "what a load of crap this woman is shitting from her mouth"..
Kudos to the patience and professionalism of the detectives and all the officials who dealt with this hours and hours worth of rat shit.


Beyond the fact that obviously there would have been forensic evidence, the fact that she didn't understand that time stamps on a camera exist... She put it in the washing machine rather than just... taking the camera? I know she left it in the washing machine or whatever but c'mon. Jodi... you're just crazy.

Most people don't understand electronics or electricity, it's just sci-fi magic to lots of people still. Electronics be it a phone, transformer or a camera as it may be rarely get destroyed by the water but rather the short-circuit it may cause, most electronics have circuit breakers to defend against that and the device actually breaks when it's turned back on with a coat of minerals deposited by the water causing a far higher current peak than the water ever could have which is a relatively poor conductor. And memory is rarely connected to the main power ring directly.

Someone in the commentary suggested that: she was using towels to clean the crime scene and might have accidentally <br>tossed the camera in a bundle of towels into the washing machine.

Someone in the commentary suggested that: she was using towels to clean the crime scene and might have accidentally
tossed the camera in a bundle of towels into the washing machine.

@birdie  Failed photographer, and I think we know why.

And even crazier when u realize she’s actually a photographer….


I love when Jodie thinks that she can talk at the detective and tells her to listen. The detective didn’t put up with Jodie smarting off to her for one second. She tells Jodie,”No! You listen!” That was awesome. How any attorney can defend people like Jodie, I don’t know how that Jennifer looks at herself in the mirror every day. The tactic of those two women dressing alike and trying to look like sisters is nauseating! I don’t care how much money anyone would give me to sit beside her and actually go as low to support Jodie’s awful lies! And right in front of his poor family. I’d work at Arby’s before I sank as low as that Jennifer did and she is still making excuses for her! 🤮

@Jenna Mattern was trying to think of a way to put that without sounding like I was being patronising; you did much better at that than I’d tried to!  Must be a tough job to do knowing that someone is guilty but still making sure they have their rights under the US constitution.  I’m sure the pay takes the sting out of it a little too!

No lawyers no trial no trial no punishment. She was and is doing her job. She has to pretend to not hate Jodi or Jodi could get a new trial and the family goes through it twice.


This whole episode wasn't about finding JA guilty – that was incredibly obvious from the start – but more to do with showing the world how psycho people can be, and what to look out for in a person. Virtually everything uttered by Arias was from the planet Liar-Liar-Liar, but she believed she was convincing everyone.


Imagine going through all these awful lies and doofy behaviors just to be found guilty from the start and get jailed for life.


Great prosecuting attorney. I can't believe she thought she could actually convince anyone of her nonsensical story.

The crooked Jodi finger on the stand was hilarious.  She tried to act as if that finger was so damaged and there clearly wasn’t ANYTHING wrong with it!!!

Not even doggy boy would have believed her.

It’s probably way harder to make up a good story and try to act innocent then you think


You guys placed the defense’s opening statement perfectly 😂 great content thank you!


The patience of the detective is unmatched


This is literally an entire movie with plot, character development, suspense, wit, and humor. And it's free for millions of people to watch.

This is better than any crime show you could find

@Ayari Kiyo there's also
1:29:58-1:30:04

@Ayari Kiyo
"I didn't know that he and her were together, that's awesome actually."
video pauses and a clip of Dr. Evil from Austin Powers plays
"Riiiiiiiight..."
resumes without further comment

That's funny as shit.

@Ayari Kiyo
"I didn't know that he and her were together, that's awesome actually."
*video pauses and a clip of Dr. Evil from Austin Powers plays*
"Riiiiiiiight..."
*resumes without further comment*

That's funny as shit.

@From The Fire Then I must be stoned all the time!

Leaning on that table sitting like a seal. That’s like stuff you do when really stoned and unable to hide it.

@Ayari Kiyo to each their own, I agree the autopsy pics are gruesome though

@Ayari Kiyo
* detective leaves the room *
* jodi proceeds to stand on her head *

@Ayari Kiyo
* detective leaves the room *
* *jodi proceeds to stand on her head* *

She asked if she was suspicious bcuz she wasn’t crying and cries literally 10 mins later lol


“what kind of gun is that?”
“its a glock”
“i just bought a gun”
“did you?” 💀


She stabbed him 27 times, slit his throat, and then shot him. And yet shows no remorse. It’s Unreal that people like her walk by us everyday.

@Truth Awakens …. NO you don’t ! It’s nice to be wanted, but not when they have no respect for you and can care less if you’re dead or alive …

Ugh, I wish someone would want me like that 😩😩

@Tina Lyn …. So glad you survived, sociopaths and psychopaths can come across as confident, they pursue aggressively and fool people into thinking they care, they won’t take no for an answer, when a normal person backs off because they think about your feelings, Sociopaths and psychopaths don’t, they stay persistent and people fall for it, thinking they care, when in reality they can care less about you, it’s like a game for them …

It's pretty damn real. There's a lot of ugly out there that we don't see

@Tomas Aguirre I knew it was only a matter of time before at least one psycho willingly showed up to respond

TWENTY EIGHT STAB WOUNDS.<br>Didn't wanna leave him a chance, HUh?

TWENTY EIGHT STAB WOUNDS.
Didn't wanna leave him a chance, HUh?

@Tina Lyn glad you're ok and try to stay healthy. All the best wishes❤❤

Makes you think twice about who you honk your horn at in traffic. You never know what kind of crazy you might awaken in someone.

Well he wasnt a saint either or too naive to know what he was doing. Cant be excuse for this horrendous crime though but vicitmisation of him isnt right at all. He did the use throw thing with her and expect her to be somber . All he want was a sex machine not a human being

@ Patrick Troli, Frightening!! I thought Casey Anthony was terrible, but Jodi took the cake.  She so deserves where she is!!

Cause she’s a woman and sadly our justice system often lets them walk

@Tina Lyn Jesus, I’m sorry you went through that, this case just goes to show that psychopaths com in all shapes sizes genders and religions<br>I wish the best for you in the future and hope therapy helps 💜

@Tina Lyn Jesus, I’m sorry you went through that, this case just goes to show that psychopaths com in all shapes sizes genders and religions
I wish the best for you in the future and hope therapy helps 💜

@Jaqen Hghar and counseling....so sad to think what she's been thru to create this monster.

It's unreal that even after all that, I'd still sleep with her. ♥

I think once you reach about 20 stabs, it might be safe to say remorse is not going to be felt

It just shows that women can be the same as men

@jordan.mi7 What?
I was just joking it was a meme from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INBT_KR8SvQ
Also I don't really see what you mean.

@Eye5x5 Interesting that there are procedures in place so that we don't wander down circular paths or perform mental gymnastics or need a judge with you 24/7 but, the reason why these seemingly arbitrary procedures exist has been forgotten. At some point we failed to educate the next generation. There were violent protests where I am now against food price inflation yesterday, the President and courts issued a stay at home order, which is not being followed and I'm listening to people being shot now; unlikely to be fireworks in the day time. You'd think this would be illegal. Ultimately to have rights you must respect the system that is required for them to exist so no breach has occured. As for this case, ultimately I've seen this by deranged lunatics, "If you could just see!" I can see just fine.

@Eye5x5 That is something. I am anxious and also have the urge to laugh; I didn't. So this evolved around these two being legal paraprofessionals? So she thinks she killed him legally (in her admittedly warped mind)? I can't look it up now that I started, and I don't need to, assisted suicide is illegal because the definition of murder takes no account of the victim deserving it, let alone requesting it, or not sufficiently resisting it. Personal block, as I've thought would I go to hell if I didn't fight back I've been so tired. That would be something to create, a duty to self-defence.

bam *bam* *BAM* 27 STAB WOUNDS, didn't wanna leave 'em a chance, HUH? *BAM* Did you feel anger?! *BAM* Hate?! *BAM* He was BLEEDING *BAM BAM BAM* Begging you for mercy, but you stabbed him, again and again and AGAIN!* *BAM BAM BAM BAM*
Please.. please just leave me alone...
Alright, alright... everything is going to be okay. *BAMM BAMM BAMM BAMM BAMM* Just say "I killed him!" IS IT THAT HARD TO SAY? *BAM BAM BAM BAM* JUST SAY YOU KILLED HIM! JUST SAY IT! *BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAMM* ... *BAMM BAMM BAMM* *BAM BAM* ... BAM

bam **bam** **BAM** *27 STAB WOUNDS,* didn't wanna leave 'em a chance, *HUH?* **BAM** Did you feel anger?! **BAM** Hate?! **BAM** He was *BLEEDING* **BAM BAM BAM** Begging you for mercy, but you stabbed him, again and again and *AGAIN!** **BAM BAM BAM BAM**
Please.. please just leave me alone...
Alright, alright... everything is going to be okay. **BAMM BAMM BAMM BAMM BAMM** Just say "I killed him!" *IS IT THAT HARD TO SAY?* **BAM BAM BAM BAM** JUST SAY YOU KILLED HIM! *JUST SAY IT!* **BAM BAM BAM BAM BAM BAMM** ... **BAMM BAMM BAMM** **BAM BAM** ... *BAM*

No they don't, and no it couldn't be you.

@Tina Lyn I think this goes to show that you should never date someone who's ex died in a mysterious "accident"

@Vickie Campbell I sort of believe this the gun jamming story. After Jodi has sex with him to lower his guard I believe she went into the shower with the gun and camera and was taking pics of him in the shower as she pointed the gun at him probably taunting him until she coerced him into that sitting position in the shower. (This is why Travis looks so terrified in the shower pics). She then attempts to shoot him but the gun jams so she proceeds to pull out her knive and goes into a stabbing frenzy while he's vulnerable in the shower. Afterwards she wants to make sure he's really dead so she drags him out of the bathroom while holding her camera procceds to accidentally drop the camera (which resulted in the accidental photos) and then slits his throat and takes the gun reloads it and shoots him. I think its clear that Jodi planned and premeditated the whole murder with her 3 weapons sex, gun, and the knive.

Yep that's crazy, but I'll always believe Jodi when she says the shot came first. I believe that part. I think it jammed and she HAD to finish it off. Do you remember her saying the man put the gun to her head and pulled the trigger and nothing happened. I believe she was talking about her pulling the trigger. His feet and legs were bruised all up. I believe he was trying to stop her and she was kicking and stomping him.  He was fighting for his life.  What an evil person.

I find it crazy that the defense team of lawyers tried to claim Jodi killed in self-defense when there was 27 knive stabs, a slit throat, and a gunshot to the head thats the definition of overkill. What the number of attacks show is that she was clearly angry and filled with rage when she murdered him.

Not to mention that she keeps lying and keeping up the charade all the way to the end. She tried to smear his name and keep causing hurt for his grieving family. She needs solitary confinement for the rest of her life.

All the more reason to stay the hell away from as many people as you can. I have a Terrible pick when I choose to date and the last 2 have been beyond crazy. I should have stayed married. So many people in just daily life have shown their lack of soul and it scares the shit out of me. And those are just the people I have associated with. I can't imagine the others.

@Tina Lyn wow, I'm so glad you survived his horrific abuse!
All the best as you keep moving forward with your life. 💖
PTSD does become easier to deal with as we keep healing and maturing through life's journey. 🙆🏻♀🌿😊

My ex boyfriend tried to kill me and when I took the stand he just completely fiddled with a piece of paper and glared at me and my lawyer trying to scare us. He even laughed out loud when they showed the court the pictures of what he did to me. He is in prison for a very long time thank God,but I have severe PTSD and Jodi is the female version of my ex. He has never shown any remorse not never. His ex girlfriend before me was found dead in his bathroom but they couldn't prosecute him because he had a bunch of friends come over and when they got there he went into the bathroom and pretended to freak out that he found her that way and asked them to all go in and try to resuscitate her because he couldn't. So, about 8 people contaminated the crime scene. The states attorney told me that in private,and the states attorney also told the judge that the next woman he's with will die. He is a psychopath for real.


Watching this casually
Jodi (talking for the first time): “of course I do”
the. tone. the. voice.   and the anger it brings me.

*Watching this casually*
Jodi (talking for the first time): “of course I do”
the. tone. the. voice.   and the anger it brings me.


kudos to the prosecution. that gentleman did some fine job even though it was an open and shut case