Whoever invents a securitycamera with more than 10 pixels is gonna be rich.

Whoever invents a securitycamera with more than 10 pixels is gonna be rich.

@Pseudo Nym Whoever invents a video format that makes it easier to use higher definition cameras with less storage is gonna be rich

@Pseudo Nym Whoever invents a video format that makes it easier to use higher definition cameras with less storage is gonna be rich

@Loiso Pondohva the institutions already exist. Whoever invents people who have big brain energy is gonna be rich.

@Loiso Pondohva the institutions already exist. Whoever invents people who have big brain energy is gonna be rich.

NASA already talking about traveling to mars but we still have security cameras with 10 pixels💀

NASA already talking about traveling to mars but we still have security cameras with 10 pixels💀

Nah bro, whoever creates a stable, safe and wealthy society format where 0 crimes happen will be rich… actually i don’t think the hunger games would be suitable…

Nah bro, whoever creates a stable, safe and wealthy society format where 0 crimes happen will be rich… actually i don’t think the hunger games would be suitable…

@Dark Archon ah yes let every institution download cameras with AIs to detect human motion which also happen to be 4k yes great idea. absolute baffoonery your honor

@Dark Archon ah yes let every institution download cameras with AIs to detect human motion which also happen to be 4k yes great idea. absolute baffoonery your honor

Tyson Holyfield Actually, he never got a cent. Until recently……😏.

Tyson Holyfield Actually, he never got a cent. Until recently……😏.

Bahahahaha man I’m dead lllol. This is the best comment I’ve ever read😂😂☠😂

Bahahahaha man I’m dead lllol. This is the best comment I’ve ever read😂😂☠😂

@Jordan Thistle You definitely don't need 60fps with surveillance footage.

@Jordan Thistle You definitely don't need 60fps with surveillance footage.

@Adam Rodgers the Frasier episode is great when Niles finds out that's why his wife was so rich. Her family invented those in the show.

@Adam Rodgers the Frasier episode is great when Niles finds out that's why his wife was so rich. Her family invented those in the show.

Acme cams are also used to film UFOs for like 80 years now.

Acme cams are also used to film UFOs for like 80 years now.

@Brian Stephenson no theyre just gonna kick you out and get you arrested, bro its not cheap to run multiple HD cameras 24/7

@Brian Stephenson no theyre just gonna kick you out and get you arrested, bro its not cheap to run multiple HD cameras 24/7

Need to destroy the cheap cameras in order for cheap companies to stop buying them. Then and only then will companies purchase better quality cameras.

Need to destroy the cheap cameras in order for cheap companies to stop buying them. Then and only then will companies purchase better quality cameras.

@Pseudo Nym exactly what I was thinking, excessive use of a camera that can still be good quality would be almost impossible in today's age.

@Pseudo Nym exactly what I was thinking, excessive use of a camera that can still be good quality would be almost impossible in today's age.

hmm, I am pretty certain we have cameras over 8k quality? :D But you know where you save all that data? Someone needs to come up with some amazing compression algorithm or develop  some other intellignt system to store the data. Maybe Richard can help

hmm, I am pretty certain we have cameras over 8k quality? :D But you know where you save all that data? Someone needs to come up with some amazing compression algorithm or develop  some other intellignt system to store the data. Maybe Richard can help

i would say the reason for the low pixel count is because of an old case but this is from 2017 so im not sure to be honest

i would say the reason for the low pixel count is because of an old case but this is from 2017 so im not sure to be honest

@Adam Rodgers the guy who painted on the fly was the real genius.

@Adam Rodgers the guy who painted on the fly was the real genius.

@Loiso Pondohva The institutions exist but the ones that go through with it are going to be poor.

@Loiso Pondohva The institutions exist but the ones that go through with it are going to be poor.

@Loiso Pondohva you do know how expensive it would be to constantly run high quality security cameras right

@Loiso Pondohva you do know how expensive it would be to constantly run high quality security cameras right

there is a ton of comments so im sure its already been said but...its one thing to have low quality 24/7 surveillance storage and its another to have a few hours worth of video for an important interrogation.

there is a ton of comments so im sure its already been said but...its one thing to have low quality 24/7 surveillance storage and its another to have a few hours worth of video for an important interrogation.

Never ever talk about any alien technology here in this planet. Go home!

Never ever talk about any alien technology here in this planet. Go home!

@Loiso Pondohva my guy they had 10 pixels to find a kidnapper<br>Imagine how much easier it would've been if they had like 12

@Loiso Pondohva my guy they had 10 pixels to find a kidnapper
Imagine how much easier it would've been if they had like 12

just use... motion detection triggered recording, far cheaper and less storage intesnive

ofc in malls and things with a lot of activity that isnt possible, but in places that need genuine security, it works man

just use... motion detection triggered recording, far cheaper and less storage intesnive

ofc in malls and things with a lot of activity that isnt possible, but in places that need genuine security, it works man

The guy who invented adfly while megaupload was something its rich KEKW

The guy who invented adfly while megaupload was something its rich KEKW

They’ll all eventually be taken out by criminals for their efforts in thwarting crime 😂<br>Just like people who try to make alternative fuels

They’ll all eventually be taken out by criminals for their efforts in thwarting crime 😂
Just like people who try to make alternative fuels

@Pseudo Nym about $1000 per year for 100 tbyte I think that would cover most medium size facilities if they thought cloud was a good option<br>Or I reckon around $500 per camera in hard disk storage

@Pseudo Nym about $1000 per year for 100 tbyte I think that would cover most medium size facilities if they thought cloud was a good option
Or I reckon around $500 per camera in hard disk storage

@Pseudo Nym late reply, but lets just say two young men in NY who decided to have a shoot out in broad daylight are extremely fortunate there is a scaffold blocking my buildings camera. Our security system can see your boogers lol.

@Pseudo Nym late reply, but lets just say two young men in NY who decided to have a shoot out in broad daylight are extremely fortunate there is a scaffold blocking my buildings camera. Our security system can see your boogers lol.

@Siwi And this stuff has to be stored for years while the person goes through the court system.

@Siwi And this stuff has to be stored for years while the person goes through the court system.

@Loiso Pondohva insitutions already exist. whoeverr invents globababollor to return the free will of human slavesvessels to their rightful selfowner is gonna be rach

@Loiso Pondohva insitutions already exist. whoeverr invents globababollor to return the free will of human slavesvessels to their rightful selfowner is gonna be rach

I work at a security company. They make them but we can almost never sell them. People are always cheap with their cameras unless it’s really high security.

I work at a security company. They make them but we can almost never sell them. People are always cheap with their cameras unless it’s really high security.

@Pseudo Nym for a restaurant to save and delete a moving five day average of footage would benefit them in so many ways to make it worth it. It doesn’t have to be 1080 and it could be motion sensor. Whatever system England uses is what  we need. They should want it to protect themselves from theft, lawsuits, etc. it could’ve prevented not only her murder but the lawsuit for the manager having an against policy relationship. People use this technology for their personal homes. It’s not THAT expensive

So much valuable outdoor footage showing full crimes are just worthless. I mean why bother?

So much valuable outdoor footage showing full crimes are just worthless. I mean why bother?

I think the bottleneck storage capacity, not the lack of higher res cameras

I think the bottleneck storage capacity, not the lack of higher res cameras

@Dark Archon keep I’m mind most of these stories are 5-10 yrs old

@Dark Archon keep I’m mind most of these stories are 5-10 yrs old

The government will provide free storage if they have access to the information.

The government will provide free storage if they have access to the information.

most of it is attributed to not enough light entering the camera

most of it is attributed to not enough light entering the camera

Another reason for bad video, The lenses and the glass in the cam enclosures get dirty. No one ever thinks to clean them.

Another reason for bad video, The lenses and the glass in the cam enclosures get dirty. No one ever thinks to clean them.

@Loiso Pondohva u r a fool , even 720 p hd will generate 150 gb per day , with 10 cameras its 1.5 tb per day , around 140 tb for 3 months , u are actually asking 50000 $ for just hard disk alone , that too for one place cover . There are thousands of places making it way worse . All of it for 720p

And then u want 1080p hd , keep your knowledge to yourself

@Loiso Pondohva u r a fool , even 720 p hd will generate 150 gb per day , with 10 cameras its 1.5 tb per day , around 140 tb for 3 months , u are actually asking 50000 $ for just hard disk alone , that too for one place cover . There are thousands of places making it way worse . All of it for 720p

And then u want 1080p hd , keep your knowledge to yourself

@Adrian Flo <br>Yeah it is the surveillance camera quality storage Space/Solutions discussion where you made the point about the 100tb nw link needed for cameras data transfer as argument for not using cloud storage as solution :)

@Adrian Flo
Yeah it is the surveillance camera quality storage Space/Solutions discussion where you made the point about the 100tb nw link needed for cameras data transfer as argument for not using cloud storage as solution :)

I think the grainy footage gives it character

I think the grainy footage gives it character

Even just 720 would be better than this 180p mcdonalds happy meal camera.

Even just 720 would be better than this 180p mcdonalds happy meal camera.

@Loiso Pondohva  During the Y2K Bug crisis at the end of the 90's, a COBOL programmer took jobs fixing out-dated programs and services that weren't correctly designed for using dates after December 31st, 1999. A lot of these existed because both public and private sector companies were notoriously bad at updating old technology, and so he made a lot of money. However he was in cripplingly bad health due to the long hours he spent understanding and fixing old, poorly maintained code in a language as frustrating to use as COBOL. Doctors said he would live with his problems for the rest of his now-shortened life. So he used his new wealth to put himself into cryogenic stasis, to await new medical technology that could cure his issues.

When he was brought back, he was surrounded by future technology he had only seen in science fiction movies. He asked the people that brought him out of stasis "You woke me up, does that mean you can fix my health problems?" They answered "Yes, but there is another reason we brought you back. The year is 9999, and you know COBOL."

@Somebody else most likely since g and t are close to each other on the keyboard. But i have no idea what the conversation was about. Something about camera quality and storage space?

@Somebody else most likely since g and t are close to each other on the keyboard. But i have no idea what the conversation was about. Something about camera quality and storage space?

@Adam Rodgers i know right, they’re delicious

@Adam Rodgers i know right, they’re delicious

@Loiso Pondohva Those already exist. The person who replaces all old cameras will be rich.

@Loiso Pondohva Those already exist. The person who replaces all old cameras will be rich.

i think they are that grainy because the cameras capture so much video

i think they are that grainy because the cameras capture so much video

@Adrian Flo The 100 terabyte network link - 😂😂😂 man you made my day -

take me to those terabit Networks 😂 ive been stumbling and jerking arround with these slowass 10-100Gbit lanes for years now.

Seriuosly you had 100gbit link in mind right ? - 100 terabit link would be smashing of almost every IEEE Standard - what hardware should be handling that load ?
I believe theres currently a max of 400gb/s as with the newest IEEE standards.

Using a dedicated gbit line (some symmetric type where the Upload is gbit aswell and bandwith is guaranteed) would be sufficient if you have not that many clients per site
(as like 25MBit/s per camera stream should be way enough  for 40 simultanious camera streams per site @1080-60fps (dismissing any other traffic on the side))

 even if i agree that cloud storage is not the way to go for video surveillance storage
- your claims are just skyrocketing and not the reason for that
-> its just damn expensive to even have like 1Gbit dedicated upload ;D (at least where i live at)

@Adam Rodgers Unrelated but truthful, thank you.

@Adam Rodgers Unrelated but truthful, thank you.

The lady is bad at conducting the interrogation, she sounds like a broken record i couldn't take her serious.

The lady is bad at conducting the interrogation, she sounds like a broken record i couldn't take her serious.

They do it so he won’t be recognized after jail

They do it so he won’t be recognized after jail

@Jordan Thistle
:D Man you cant compress videos a lot more further than the codecs are doin it.
You can zip but you wont magically gain less size.

If you try to compress pictures or videos - it's usually done via the codec already - if you got uncompressed formats like bitmap pictures, wav audios or avi videos it would not help alot to try zipping it you need real video/bitmap compression which is usually done via the encoding of the information/file itself

There are lossless and lossy ways - but the point to reduce redundand information from the file and beeing able to recronstuct it again afterwards losless is nowadays pretty closely brought to its limits Maybe AI can further improve this but this will like lossy formats alter the data - which im not sure is good for evidence :) and since you never explicitly know that the ai is doing you (just implicitly) would not even know how it was altered in that way.

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@Loiso Pondohva The Problem is that it is usually just seen as a cost factor to lower while holding an inmate is a clearly needed purpose - its some thing of consciousness and awareness - some bad psychological phenomenon.

@Loiso Pondohva The Problem is that it is usually just seen as a cost factor to lower while holding an inmate is a clearly needed purpose - its some thing of consciousness and awareness - some bad psychological phenomenon.

@Adam Rodgers love the way they hurt my nose

@Adam Rodgers love the way they hurt my nose

@Loiso Pondohva The institutions already exist.

@Loiso Pondohva The institutions already exist.

That’s what I think every time I watch these.

That’s what I think every time I watch these.

@Pseudo Nym also the fact that if the cameras were high quality there is a possibility that some information on the papers or on someone’s personal phone may be seen and I believe that’s why the camera quality is not that great

@Pseudo Nym also the fact that if the cameras were high quality there is a possibility that some information on the papers or on someone’s personal phone may be seen and I believe that’s why the camera quality is not that great

@Pseudo Nym its called a computer and they have those...pfft

@Pseudo Nym its called a computer and they have those...pfft

I hate that people actually took this comment seriously lmao

I hate that people actually took this comment seriously lmao

@Dark Archon  I don’t want anyone using facial recognition technology

@Dark Archon  I don’t want anyone using facial recognition technology

@Tony Midyett sure Tony, whatever you say man...

@Tony Midyett sure Tony, whatever you say man...

@Adam Rodgers free mint after doing the deed

@Adam Rodgers free mint after doing the deed

Capitalists don’t care about human life. If their granny is on life support, they’ll yank out the plug to save thirty cents on the electric bill.

Capitalists don’t care about human life. If their granny is on life support, they’ll yank out the plug to save thirty cents on the electric bill.

@Pseudo Nym Assuming Netflix levels of compression (~3.5Mbps) and let’s say a 15fps rate at 720p, 1gb/hr sounds acceptable

Assuming a building has 10 cameras, that’ll be 1*24*10 which is 240gb per day.
A year of recordings would be ~88TB.

90TB worth of WD Gold hard drives costs ~£2500 and that’s just after typing ‘10TB hard drives’ into Google and looking at the first few results, I’m sure businesses could get them a good deal cheaper, especially huge corporations that would end up buying them in bulk

Honestly, that’s not even remotely expensive considering the amount of quality YouTube content we’d get out of better quality CCTV footage ;)

@Loiso Pondohva no they're gonna be poor

@Loiso Pondohva no they're gonna be poor

imagine filming 91 mins of someone waiting in 4k, useful af

imagine filming 91 mins of someone waiting in 4k, useful af

@Siwi so what are you trting to say huh?!

@Siwi so what are you trting to say huh?!

The audio is more valuable then the footage, audio proves things while video usually doesn't.

The audio is more valuable then the footage, audio proves things while video usually doesn't.

@Pseudo Nym kinda bad math there man, you said 1 hr of 1080p is 1 GB yet 200 GB per day per camera? even if we assume 30gb for 24 hrs, and 90 days of storage thats only 2.7TB of storage per camera. you can find 4TB hdd for sub $100 nowadays.

@Pseudo Nym kinda bad math there man, you said 1 hr of 1080p is 1 GB yet 200 GB per day per camera? even if we assume 30gb for 24 hrs, and 90 days of storage thats only 2.7TB of storage per camera. you can find 4TB hdd for sub $100 nowadays.

@Pseudo Nym Why not cloud storage? And 12TB isn't that much, 4 12TB NAS drives running together so if one dies they still have footage and be PLENTY of space. That's not a very expensive.

@Pseudo Nym Why not cloud storage? And 12TB isn't that much, 4 12TB NAS drives running together so if one dies they still have footage and be PLENTY of space. That's not a very expensive.

Yeah right,  good luck running your own business with 5 of your 4K super advanced cameras running 24/7 then lol. Good luck finding enough storage to store all your video record too bro.

Yeah right,  good luck running your own business with 5 of your 4K super advanced cameras running 24/7 then lol. Good luck finding enough storage to store all your video record too bro.

Technologies are improving rapidly I.e modern technology..but when are we gon see HD with security/surveillance cameras?🤔🤔

Technologies are improving rapidly I.e modern technology..but when are we gon see HD with security/surveillance cameras?🤔🤔

@Loiso Pondohva institutions already exists.<br>Whoever invents a law that says to always share good quality videos after resolving cases - that guy is gonna be remembered.

@Loiso Pondohva institutions already exists.
Whoever invents a law that says to always share good quality videos after resolving cases - that guy is gonna be remembered.

@Adam Rodgers honestly youre the most interesting comment in this conversation😂❤

@Adam Rodgers honestly youre the most interesting comment in this conversation😂❤

@Tyson Holyfield  Donald trump invented the Internet... Oh wait was it Billy idol? No strike that it was Bill someone my minds gone blank😊

@Tyson Holyfield  Donald trump invented the Internet... Oh wait was it Billy idol? No strike that it was Bill someone my minds gone blank😊

If he accidentally killed her then why not call 911 in panic? Nope... He accidentally burned her body too.

If he accidentally killed her then why not call 911 in panic? Nope... He accidentally burned her body too.

go to New Zealand , and there every CTTV camera is HD

go to New Zealand , and there every CTTV camera is HD

OP is obviously joking. What's sadder is people even taking the "10 pixels" as serious. But those of you claiming it's expensive, dummies. Period. Storage and hd cameras are not expensive anymore. You can have all the terabytes you need.

The only valid issue here is that people usually don't even bother with cameras to places like parking lots. The camera was extremely zoomed in. Looked like it was from across the street. I used to work at a restaurant that had at least 15 cameras in the main dining area. Multiple in back and surrounding the building. But none looking half a block down in the parking lot. And that's just how it be.

Working with 1080p and especially 4k video is extremely taxing for modern systems. For the evidence to be effective it has to be ready on time and easy to send to various people. You cant be like "hey just wait like 2 weeks and then go on the cloud and download this 500gb uncompressed 4k video file."

Working with 1080p and especially 4k video is extremely taxing for modern systems. For the evidence to be effective it has to be ready on time and easy to send to various people. You cant be like "hey just wait like 2 weeks and then go on the cloud and download this 500gb uncompressed 4k video file."

WHOOOOOOOOOOSH!   Something flew over a lot of heads.  I wonder what that shit was!?

WHOOOOOOOOOOSH!   Something flew over a lot of heads.  I wonder what that shit was!?

Just use that one girl in the online class’s camera! Lol

Just use that one girl in the online class’s camera! Lol

@Johnnie What joke? ....It's more like a grassroots movement you started here! lol

@Johnnie What joke? ....It's more like a grassroots movement you started here! lol

@Siwi only thing you guys dont have are real chefs in america btw people dont need a degree to cook in holland they need multiple also a hygiene certificate

@Siwi only thing you guys dont have are real chefs in america btw people dont need a degree to cook in holland they need multiple also a hygiene certificate

The Walmart I worked at had better cameras than interrogation room cameras 😂

The Walmart I worked at had better cameras than interrogation room cameras 😂

the security video is rendered in low quality, because the owners of the shop don't spend enough money into storage space.<br>can imagine it would be expensive, though.

the security video is rendered in low quality, because the owners of the shop don't spend enough money into storage space.
can imagine it would be expensive, though.

Would it be possible to have higher quality when movement is detected across the screen for example and lower quality for idle time?

Would it be possible to have higher quality when movement is detected across the screen for example and lower quality for idle time?

Once smth like this is invented, there would be no such a profession like detective :D

Once smth like this is invented, there would be no such a profession like detective :D

love how it started as a joke and now some real logic going on lol

love how it started as a joke and now some real logic going on lol

@Pseudo Nym
"whoever invents cheap storage for hundreds of hours of HD security footage is gonna be rich"
Act normal clown, nobody asks for 4k or 8k, but 720p would already be a huge boost, not to mention 1080p, and the storage solutions for these are super cheap.

@Pseudo Nym
*_"whoever invents cheap storage for hundreds of hours of HD security footage is gonna be rich"_*
Act normal clown, nobody asks for 4k or 8k, but 720p would already be a huge boost, not to mention 1080p, and the storage solutions for these are super cheap.

the only thing that matters to police is what is being said,so there is no need for high res video.

the only thing that matters to police is what is being said,so there is no need for high res video.

Just wanted to thank OP for <b>NOT</b> editing and "Thanking everyone for the likes". That stuff gives me douche chills.

Just wanted to thank OP for *NOT* editing and "Thanking everyone for the likes". That stuff gives me douche chills.

@Pseudo Nym  "an hour of 1080p video is just over a gigabyte and having to store all that over a long term (something like 200 GB per day per camera" Jesus, where did you learn mafs?

@Pseudo Nym  "an hour of 1080p video is just over a gigabyte and having to store all that over a long term (something like 200 GB per day per camera" Jesus, where did you learn mafs?

@Loiso Pondohva non sense, camera lenses and parts are super cheap these days! no one is asking them for 4 k images but even 4k camera sensors are dirt cheap! if the chinese can stick better cameras on $5 drones then there is zero excuse

@Loiso Pondohva non sense, camera lenses and parts are super cheap these days! no one is asking them for 4 k images but even 4k camera sensors are dirt cheap! if the chinese can stick better cameras on $5 drones then there is zero excuse

mkaes you laugh doesn't it! we have HD images from mars but when ever someones murdered all we have is grained 2 megapixle footage! its not good enough in todays day and age! security companies should be fined for failing to provide useable footage! otherwise cameras just serve as a potential deterant rather than have an actual function

mkaes you laugh doesn't it! we have HD images from mars but when ever someones murdered all we have is grained 2 megapixle footage! its not good enough in todays day and age! security companies should be fined for failing to provide useable footage! otherwise cameras just serve as a potential deterant rather than have an actual function

Storing the hd video is the issue. Especially for hundreds of hours a week.

Storing the hd video is the issue. Especially for hundreds of hours a week.

Whoever invents a business that will put out the money for a decent security camera system is gonna be . . . ummm something.

Whoever invents a business that will put out the money for a decent security camera system is gonna be . . . ummm something.

It's definitely a matter of storage costs. Quality is the variable.

It's definitely a matter of storage costs. Quality is the variable.

I had a genuine P.O.S. TracFone with a horrible camera and THAT piece of garbage took better video than those ersatz " security cameras " that businesses and Law Enforcement use . You know those photos of Bigfoot and UFOs ( I actually believe that intelligent Life exists on other Worlds and the strong possibility that Bigfoot exists)  that are always grainy and lack definition ? Those photos are like IMAX Camera images compared to the "blobs" that SOMEHOW were THANKFULLY  interpreted to be Human .  Thank goodness for eye witnesses and descriptions because this MONSTER woulda gotten away .

The problem isn't that they don't exist, but is that their too expensive. (i swear if i get wooshed for this)

The problem isn't that they don't exist, but is that their too expensive. (i swear if i get wooshed for this)

@Pseudo Nym if you say that an hour takes over 1GB then you can't say in next sentence that a day takes 200GB (you are not wrong, it may take that much based on encoding). :D Usually a good quality modern CCTV cameras keep 24-48hrs in raw footage (meaning you can really zoom in and enhaaaance) and then compress the leftover footage for long-term storage (you no longer can zoom in and enhaaaance plus nightime footage now sucks too).

most camera systems have decent quality, it's just the installers record at a lower quality so they dont have to spend more money to keep the recordings for longer

most camera systems have decent quality, it's just the installers record at a lower quality so they dont have to spend more money to keep the recordings for longer

@Daniel Amon high enough quality cameras to get more than 10 pixels already are not that expensive and even if you needed 100 of them it isn’t really a matter of cost because they have the money to do it

@Daniel Amon high enough quality cameras to get more than 10 pixels already are not that expensive and even if you needed 100 of them it isn’t really a matter of cost because they have the money to do it

Larger files sizes didn't lend itself to hours and hours of footage.... Think about it

Larger files sizes didn't lend itself to hours and hours of footage.... Think about it

It is totally enough and there is hq cameras but expensive so if u need to put 100 cameras u choose the cheap ones.

It is totally enough and there is hq cameras but expensive so if u need to put 100 cameras u choose the cheap ones.

@Adam Rodgers ikr that guy was a master chef

@Adam Rodgers ikr that guy was a master chef

@Gator Pack55 very possible, they just don’t want to do it

@Gator Pack55 very possible, they just don’t want to do it

@Pseudo Nym you said that an hour of video is roughly a gigabyte, so wouldn’t that be closer to 30 gigabytes instead of 200? Plus a terabyte hard drive only costs about 50$ for one that you know won’t fail easily and on top of that they could delete footage more than a couple weeks old

@Pseudo Nym you said that an hour of video is roughly a gigabyte, so wouldn’t that be closer to 30 gigabytes instead of 200? Plus a terabyte hard drive only costs about 50$ for one that you know won’t fail easily and on top of that they could delete footage more than a couple weeks old

@Pseudo Nym What year do you think it is?

@Pseudo Nym What year do you think it is?

@MMaya <br>It depends how it's encoded, what type of compression is used. Most regular cameras encode in a MJPEG or other low-compression codec because it requires less processing power and is closer to "lossless" for the end-user to later edit or compress at their discretion. Decent modern surveillance cameras and NVRs use H.264 or H.265 to conserve space, and use like 7% or less of the space compared to MJPEG (depending on the amount of motion in the footage). And before you say something about the quality of those compression methods, I encode all of my ripped movies on my plex server in H.264 or H.265 if it's in 4K, there is no discernable difference from the raw ripped file from the Bluray, except it's 1/10th the file size or less.

@MMaya
It depends how it's encoded, what type of compression is used. Most regular cameras encode in a MJPEG or other low-compression codec because it requires less processing power and is closer to "lossless" for the end-user to later edit or compress at their discretion. Decent modern surveillance cameras and NVRs use H.264 or H.265 to conserve space, and use like 7% or less of the space compared to MJPEG (depending on the amount of motion in the footage). And before you say something about the quality of those compression methods, I encode all of my ripped movies on my plex server in H.264 or H.265 if it's in 4K, there is no discernable difference from the raw ripped file from the Bluray, except it's 1/10th the file size or less.

Talking to a guy I know who installs security equipment a while back, most places like large businesses don't upgrade because of existing wiring. When they initially had their system installed, they didn't wire it for future-proofing. The coax cable they used was just enough to handle the existing signal over the lengths they were installed.

When talking about a few cameras in a convenience store that has a drop ceiling, they are much more likely to upgrade to higher-quality equipment because they are mostly concerned with footage from inside or just outside the store, and wiring is relatively cheap and easy because of the easy access and short lengths.

When talking about a strip mall's cameras, they are likely all going to be exterior cameras (individual tenants/stores use their own systems inside) and many cameras would be placed on light poles in the parking lot. Depending if the original cable was run with conduit, if it was taped or tied in a bundle with other wires in the conduit, if there is any room in the conduit, Etc... all of those things could present a challenge, on top of that tracing down and figuring out where existing cables go in order to replace them, if you can. Then the lengths of new cable itself, and challenges with that. With higher bitrate, you need more bandwidth, and with that you have different tolerances and possibly the need for repeaters over long runs of cable. Needing a powered repeater halfway across a parking lot or along a mostly barren rooftop can be a costly addition, and make the costs for running new cable far exceed the cost of the equipment.

The relative price for storage isn't a big issue. IP cameras do their own encoding these days, and some can even do H.265 compression. For static footage like surveillance, even H.264 (the most common) would be next to nothing as far as storage goes. For a 1080p 24fps camera encoding at H.264, you're talking 40-55GB per 24 hours set at high quality. The same camera using H.265 would be about 25-35GB per 24 hours. 12 cameras stored for 2 weeks using H.264 would be less than 10TB. An enterprise 10-12TB drive can be had for around $500, double that for a simple RAID1 array and we're still only at $1000. The NVR will likely be $1000+. The cameras will be the biggest part of the equipment cost ($200-1000 ea). Still, none of this is crazy expensive until you add in the labor trying to run the new cabling.

@Pseudo Nym I do security for a research center and the cameras only record when there's movement.

@Pseudo Nym I do security for a research center and the cameras only record when there's movement.

@Pseudo Nym yeah, HD security cameras use a LOT of memory. have some on a property and it exhausts the entire monthly wifi budget in less than a week. though, i feel that an upgrade to a few of the cameras as needed would be well within their budget. maybe it's not quite needed here, though.

@Pseudo Nym yeah, HD security cameras use a LOT of memory. have some on a property and it exhausts the entire monthly wifi budget in less than a week. though, i feel that an upgrade to a few of the cameras as needed would be well within their budget. maybe it's not quite needed here, though.

@Pseudo Nym Sometimes it would already be enough for it to take an HD photo every second or so.

@Pseudo Nym Sometimes it would already be enough for it to take an HD photo every second or so.

@Adam Rodgers I know the guy and family. Yes they are rich

@Adam Rodgers I know the guy and family. Yes they are rich

FOR REAL! Or at least an affordable one so people would fucking USE them!!

FOR REAL! Or at least an affordable one so people would fucking USE them!!

As someone who has to deal with security cameras as part of their IT job... I'm not really sure what to say..

today's storage/cloud options are super cheap compared to like 10+ years ago...but the problem is companies don't care... why fix what isn't broken? we can see blobs today, and it meets the 30, 90, 120 whatever day requirement for footage

today's cameras are really clear, and instead of it being hard to make out a car at 100ft, it's hard to make out someone's Face at 100ft.... but why bother with the cost of upgrading when today's solution "works".. new locations at my job will get better cameras, which we usually lower the quality quite a bit (still better than the old cameras) for the sake of storage which no one wants to spend money on either. older locations get a analog BNC connection type camera (much lower resolution) whenever a camera breaks because upgrading the infrastructure in that location as to support the better cameras, is deemed not important by the business and reasons like cost and priority are brought up

when you start talking 100+ locations, 12-48 cameras per location, 90+ days of footage... the numbers get BIG and FAST and the business is like "IT? Storage? Resolution? what do those even mean, just get the cheapest thing" so... you and your co-workers propose some 250k plan and managements laughs at you piece meals your plan together and gets some 80k+ number.

then people just go about their business as per usual... "why do your cameras suck This bad? when are you going to upgrade them??" .... when you JUST upgraded them LOL

TLDR: whoever convinces senior management at companies, that their camera systems can be 100% better overall, while also undercutting the market for security systems.... is going to be filthy rich

The original video is perfect, the problem is people who keep stealing them from other channels and uploading them as their own are butchering the quality  when they put it through their cheap software that they have no idea on how to use.

The original video is perfect, the problem is people who keep stealing them from other channels and uploading them as their own are butchering the quality  when they put it through their cheap software that they have no idea on how to use.

@Gavrata No it isn't. The problem is the pipeline this footage went through.

The security cam footage is just probably deinterlaced, the aspect ratio changed and compressed more then once. That's if it wasn't digitalised from an analog signal.

@Gavrata No it isn't. The problem is the pipeline this footage went through.

The security cam footage is just probably deinterlaced, the aspect ratio changed and compressed more then once. That's if it wasn't digitalised from an analog signal.

@ACatFromPoland There are ways to compress images and video without losing to much data. Though most people here seem to gloss over a couple things.

We don't know how often this video was compressed, before it got to YouTube. Which adds another compression run.

Security Cam footage usually isn't watched on a 4k, 24"+ monitor, most of the time its in like 800x600i, which then gets converted to 800x600p and then gets stretched to 1080p. So the aspect ratio is changed, the video has been deinterlaced (which can't be done lossless), the video got uploaded on some website, then downloaded, edited, rendered and uploaded to YouTube were it was compressed again.

So yeah no need to read 300 replies, because they all talk about the camera sucking and not about how much this footage got altered before it got into this video.

@44R0N- DNA computing is some of the coolest tech. If you don't mind the slow read and write speed. Especially the read spread isn't to great.

@44R0N- DNA computing is some of the coolest tech. If you don't mind the slow read and write speed. Especially the read spread isn't to great.

It's mind melting how many people confidently talk utter nonsense in these replies

It's mind melting how many people confidently talk utter nonsense in these replies

@Loiso Pondohva " <i>cost is rarely a deciding factor in institutions</i> " (0_0)

@Loiso Pondohva " _cost is rarely a deciding factor in institutions_ " (0_0)

@parkinsons you dont need 4k footage lmao my guy those cams are like 100p

@parkinsons you dont need 4k footage lmao my guy those cams are like 100p

@Pseudo Nym Storage is cheaper now than it was when these cameras were installed.

@Pseudo Nym Storage is cheaper now than it was when these cameras were installed.

I think it just might have done it 11 PIXELS yes yes very revolutionary

I think it just might have done it 11 PIXELS yes yes very revolutionary

there are plenty of HD cameras now but the storage is the problem

there are plenty of HD cameras now but the storage is the problem

The man who invents digital flesh lights will be rich

The man who invents digital flesh lights will be rich

@Pseudo Nym 5 minutes of 720 at 30 fps is already 3gb. But yeah, they don't really need high definition footage in these precincts.

@Pseudo Nym 5 minutes of 720 at 30 fps is already 3gb. But yeah, they don't really need high definition footage in these precincts.

a good Idea would be propably to save the vid in the same resolution as we do now but to Involve an algorythm that uses the whole resolution for the face and licence plates

a good Idea would be propably to save the vid in the same resolution as we do now but to Involve an algorythm that uses the whole resolution for the face and licence plates

@Pseudo Nym They could employ a similar solution to particle physics labs which generate terabytes of data each second. Simply apply a trigger with a reference for a normal uninteresting scenario and only store the data long term if the trigger tags the footage as sufficiently interesting.<br>This cannot be applied everywhere, but there are many situations where it could be an improvement

@Pseudo Nym They could employ a similar solution to particle physics labs which generate terabytes of data each second. Simply apply a trigger with a reference for a normal uninteresting scenario and only store the data long term if the trigger tags the footage as sufficiently interesting.
This cannot be applied everywhere, but there are many situations where it could be an improvement

@Loiso Pondohva damn all these great ideas to get rich

@Loiso Pondohva damn all these great ideas to get rich

@Loiso Pondohva The institutions already exist.

Whoever invents a little doo-dad that can scratch my arse and pat my head at the same time - that guy is going to be rich.

@Loiso Pondohva The institutions already exist.

Whoever invents a little doo-dad that can scratch my arse and pat my head at the same time - that guy is going to be rich.

@Siwi McDonald’s is a multi billion corporation and the stores bring in millions. I wouldn’t be surprised if their camera system used some kind of expensive cloud storage system

@Siwi McDonald’s is a multi billion corporation and the stores bring in millions. I wouldn’t be surprised if their camera system used some kind of expensive cloud storage system

Dude this comment killed me in laughter :) oh mann

Dude this comment killed me in laughter :) oh mann

@Pseudo Nym cheap and rich don't collab. It'll start costing more than an arm and a leg as soon as it becomes popular.

@Pseudo Nym cheap and rich don't collab. It'll start costing more than an arm and a leg as soon as it becomes popular.

It seems to me that the camera in question might well have been high definition, it's just that the incident occupied a tiny part of the camera's view, due to being far away.

It seems to me that the camera in question might well have been high definition, it's just that the incident occupied a tiny part of the camera's view, due to being far away.

Seriously wtf. All the money and merch is in this building but let's use a fuckin potato to document security footage.

Seriously wtf. All the money and merch is in this building but let's use a fuckin potato to document security footage.

dont watch this shit.  its bad for the general public.  its produced and directed in a way to manipulate you to be overly influenced by fear media.   this is not educational or informative.

dont watch this shit.  its bad for the general public.  its produced and directed in a way to manipulate you to be overly influenced by fear media.   this is not educational or informative.

@Mr. Random considering I do this professionally, I guess I do.

@Mr. Random considering I do this professionally, I guess I do.

@Loiso Pondohva Still do u have any idea how much storage, u gonna need??

@Loiso Pondohva Still do u have any idea how much storage, u gonna need??

Eh I can see why a camera for a purpose like this one doesn't really need to be high definition, if anything happens you already know who was in the room at that time and it isn't likely something would take place where you'd need high definition footage of a room that's barely 2x2 meters.

Eh I can see why a camera for a purpose like this one doesn't really need to be high definition, if anything happens you already know who was in the room at that time and it isn't likely something would take place where you'd need high definition footage of a room that's barely 2x2 meters.

@Inquisitor Generally 360p? Its like 4 bits lmao

@Inquisitor Generally 360p? Its like 4 bits lmao

They don’t need to see how many freckles he has on his face. The record indicates it was him and this 360p video proves as much.

They don’t need to see how many freckles he has on his face. The record indicates it was him and this 360p video proves as much.

They exist.. but whoever can do so magically and gets it installed all over the required places.. then... But now.. they'll be like "well, what about installation costs?"

They exist.. but whoever can do so magically and gets it installed all over the required places.. then... But now.. they'll be like "well, what about installation costs?"

Having two to three days of 4k footage from multiple cameras takes up a lot of storage.

Having two to three days of 4k footage from multiple cameras takes up a lot of storage.

@Adam Rodgers <br>He isn't getting any of my money...they taste awful imo

@Adam Rodgers
He isn't getting any of my money...they taste awful imo

@Pseudo Nym a 1tb hdd is literally like 50 bucks so that already exists

@Pseudo Nym a 1tb hdd is literally like 50 bucks so that already exists

@Adam Rodgers "what  about urinal cakes?"  I Love You Man

@Adam Rodgers "what  about urinal cakes?"  I Love You Man

I ain't gonna read the 308 replies. Problem is video cameras have to record for hours on end so footage that isn't new is normally compressed as to not waste space from hours and hours of footage. This leads to shitty video and audio. I think as long as it works then the government is going to keep cutting the costs.

I ain't gonna read the 308 replies. Problem is video cameras have to record for hours on end so footage that isn't new is normally compressed as to not waste space from hours and hours of footage. This leads to shitty video and audio. I think as long as it works then the government is going to keep cutting the costs.

@Pseudo Nym cant they just like use one of those things YouTubers use to store footage? Like an external harddrive but like industrial version?

@Pseudo Nym cant they just like use one of those things YouTubers use to store footage? Like an external harddrive but like industrial version?

Also depends on the laws, here in norway you cant realy have hd cameras outside.

Also depends on the laws, here in norway you cant realy have hd cameras outside.

@Pseudo Nym I never thought about that, cheers

@Pseudo Nym I never thought about that, cheers

@Adam Rodgers Ah, yes...Piss Biscuits.  A must for every Spanky’s.

@Adam Rodgers Ah, yes...Piss Biscuits.  A must for every Spanky’s.

@Loiso Pondohva no that guy is gonna be poor XD

@Loiso Pondohva no that guy is gonna be poor XD

@Adam Rodgers Someone stole a urinal puck from our local bar, no one knows why.

@Adam Rodgers Someone stole a urinal puck from our local bar, no one knows why.

A couple of things here, this is a parking lot security cam, probably as old as the shopping center. Second, police often dont release the highest quality images they have unless they are forced to. In this situation most of the video was still confidential.  It's possible they made a recording of their footage and just used the old VCR in the basement of the PD....

Trust me security cams are pretty cheap and amazing. Storage isnt as cheap yet, but cheap enough....

.........What's up with the trapezoidal window/mirror in the interrogation room?.....Or am I looking at it wrong?......If it is a trapezoid, is it a psychological interrogation technique?

.........What's up with the trapezoidal window/mirror in the interrogation room?.....Or am I looking at it wrong?......If it is a trapezoid, is it a psychological interrogation technique?

@Jordan Thistle compression does not reduce video file size by much, even with the best and most thorough compression methods.

@Jordan Thistle compression does not reduce video file size by much, even with the best and most thorough compression methods.

@Pseudo Nym u mean thousands of hours if not more plus 480p is gonna be more than enough

@Pseudo Nym u mean thousands of hours if not more plus 480p is gonna be more than enough

@Loiso Pondohva it’s just not with it for s restaurant. At best better cameras at the register. Theft from employees doesn’t require high quality. Also footage of other type of theft like dine and dash is just useless in most cases.

@Loiso Pondohva it’s just not with it for s restaurant. At best better cameras at the register. Theft from employees doesn’t require high quality. Also footage of other type of theft like dine and dash is just useless in most cases.

These particular cameras are also a favorite for UFO footage...

These particular cameras are also a favorite for UFO footage...

@Tyson Holyfield whoever invented oxygen is gonna be rich

@Tyson Holyfield whoever invented oxygen is gonna be rich

@Loiso Pondohva .    .   .  . . ..the guy who invents the next DivX actuated vid compression algorithm is gonna be rich _cpt flies away.. .  .   .

@Loiso Pondohva .    .   .  . . ..the guy who invents the next DivX actuated vid compression algorithm is gonna be rich _cpt flies away.. .  .   .

@Siwi oof wouldn't mind you serving me a happy meal wheyyheyyyyyy

@Siwi oof wouldn't mind you serving me a happy meal wheyyheyyyyyy

@Adam Rodgers low key high key no cap fire yeet dab

@Adam Rodgers low key high key no cap fire yeet dab

It's all about placement and lighting too though. Most cameras are high up. Having had to go to all neighboring businesses to get security footage, I found even with the places with 4k and multiple cameras all captured...the top view of someone in a hoodie and baseball cap. 😐

It's all about placement and lighting too though. Most cameras are high up. Having had to go to all neighboring businesses to get security footage, I found even with the places with 4k and multiple cameras all captured...the top view of someone in a hoodie and baseball cap. 😐

@Tyson Holyfield Al Gore is already rich /s

@Tyson Holyfield Al Gore is already rich /s

@Loiso Pondohva What you’re asking for essentially is the equivalent of putting retina scanners on automatic doors in a school: absolutely not worth it for the actual purpose of the device.

@Loiso Pondohva What you’re asking for essentially is the equivalent of putting retina scanners on automatic doors in a school: absolutely not worth it for the actual purpose of the device.

More like, whichever company decides to install decent cameras, is going to make millions with how many lawsuits the dont have to go through

More like, whichever company decides to install decent cameras, is going to make millions with how many lawsuits the dont have to go through

@Pseudo Nym they could just upload it for free to YT

@Pseudo Nym they could just upload it for free to YT

🤣🤣🤣Oh my god you’ve got a good point why are they so bad like is it on purpose

🤣🤣🤣Oh my god you’ve got a good point why are they so bad like is it on purpose

@Siwi that’s cause you’re probably more likely to get robbed at a McDonald’s than a bonefish grill

@Siwi that’s cause you’re probably more likely to get robbed at a McDonald’s than a bonefish grill

It's just not needed. They just need this more for documentation purposes, not to ID anyone. Every person they bring into these rooms are documented and time stamped. It's more for reference than anything.

It's just not needed. They just need this more for documentation purposes, not to ID anyone. Every person they bring into these rooms are documented and time stamped. It's more for reference than anything.

They have the best cameras in 3rd world countries

They have the best cameras in 3rd world countries

the issue is storing the high quality footage.

the issue is storing the high quality footage.

@Loiso Pondohva Whoever invents money that's worth more money....that guy's gonna be rich.

@Loiso Pondohva Whoever invents money that's worth more money....that guy's gonna be rich.

@Pseudo Nym It doesn't need to be a perfect 1080p blu-ray quality file. You can store the video in a much lower format/size and still make it look 100 times better than a mass of blurry pixels.

@Pseudo Nym It doesn't need to be a perfect 1080p blu-ray quality file. You can store the video in a much lower format/size and still make it look 100 times better than a mass of blurry pixels.

You can get a 16 camera system including recorder and 6TBs for about 6k usd. This setup would roughly get you 2 weeks of continuous recording at 1080p from all cameras before the footage is recorded over. Compression is a beautiful thing.

You can get a 16 camera system including recorder and 6TBs for about 6k usd. This setup would roughly get you 2 weeks of continuous recording at 1080p from all cameras before the footage is recorded over. Compression is a beautiful thing.

Whoever invents a compression algorithm that allows HD footage to be the size of peanuts will be rich.

Whoever invents a compression algorithm that allows HD footage to be the size of peanuts will be rich.

@Pseudo Nym tbh, I edit gaming videos and it took me like a week to learn how to compress files at keep the resolution, I'm pretty confident that you could hire a software engineer to. develop an algorithm that mass compresses footage every couple days/weeks whatever

@Pseudo Nym tbh, I edit gaming videos and it took me like a week to learn how to compress files at keep the resolution, I'm pretty confident that you could hire a software engineer to. develop an algorithm that mass compresses footage every couple days/weeks whatever

@Loiso Pondohva it already exists, whoever learns to use google is gonna be the smartest person alive 🤣🤣🤣

@Loiso Pondohva it already exists, whoever learns to use google is gonna be the smartest person alive 🤣🤣🤣

given police budgets are being cut, don't hold your breath waiting.

given police budgets are being cut, don't hold your breath waiting.

@Loiso Pondohva Those institutions exist, if there was some financial gain to upgrading old systems

@Loiso Pondohva Those institutions exist, if there was some financial gain to upgrading old systems

@Dark Archon if you look on Amazon those type of cameras aren’t that expensive either, under $100.

@Dark Archon if you look on Amazon those type of cameras aren’t that expensive either, under $100.

What’s with the 4K dislikes on the main video? Are there lee stans I don’t know about?

What’s with the 4K dislikes on the main video? Are there lee stans I don’t know about?

@Roddy Piper's Irritated Corneas I worked 4 years as a lead network engineer for a company that installs and supports security, iot and customer interaction automation systems for big companies and the Russian government.
There are a lot of companies that basically steal taxpayer money by marking up more than 1000% both due to corruption (same, but to lesser extent in the US) and marketing it as "guaranteeing 24/7 commercial support" and similar buzzwords.
But if you know the hardware market and work with the industry directly, and find great network engineers, not more of them - it's not that bad.
A small business wouldn't be able to afford it due to large upfront costs, but economies of scale make it work.
Our company has increased the tender price more than once just because clients refused to believe it can be done 3-5 times cheaper than some of the competition. But it can be, we are long past 90-s. Attitudes like "it can't be done for 5k, because that one company charged me 50k that last time" is the reason they keep getting away with selling low-grade hardware with obsolete networking and a 2005 server architecture for millions to taxpayers.

I thought police released the footage pixelated like that cause they don't want the Publix to see anything

I thought police released the footage pixelated like that cause they don't want the Publix to see anything

@Loiso Pondohva Comment again when you run your own business and have spec'd out and outfitted it for security purposes.

@Loiso Pondohva Comment again when you run your own business and have spec'd out and outfitted it for security purposes.

@Pseudo Nym Expensive? what do you mean? If you go off your figures 1gb/hour for 90days is a bit over 2TB per camera which is around £50gbp for a HDD of that size. Also 200GB a day for 90Days like you claim is 18 TerraBytes so they wouldn't need "100s of terabytes" and your math doesn't really check out there.

Also if they were even half smart they would use automated compression on the video footage and that 200GB a day would then all fit on one single 2TB HDD at 1:10 which is pretty standard rates you can get free.

Im pretty sure a company that earned $619M in revenue in 2017 can afford a single payment £50 for much better security that can be used for facial recognition for thiefs etc or in this case murderous employees, they're just being stingy trying to save every penny they can.

Especially if films are like 30 FPS as appears to the 5 frames per minute ones every convenience store has

Especially if films are like 30 FPS as appears to the 5 frames per minute ones every convenience store has

@Loiso Pondohva he said cheap. Storage is expensive.

@Loiso Pondohva he said cheap. Storage is expensive.

@Pseudo Nym there is ways of reducing that amount by alot, for example you could automatically remove all frames where nothing happens.

@Pseudo Nym there is ways of reducing that amount by alot, for example you could automatically remove all frames where nothing happens.

How to enrage Gen Z:  show a video which isn’t in HD.

This is perfectly visible!  Once upon of time we had VHS and we didn’t grumble!

How to enrage Gen Z:  show a video which isn’t in HD.

This is perfectly visible!  Once upon of time we had VHS and we didn’t grumble!

Rigt? Imagine the number of crimes that could be solved if the cameras were just a little but better.....so frustrating

Rigt? Imagine the number of crimes that could be solved if the cameras were just a little but better.....so frustrating

@don’t plot twist: since commenting I have developed ovarian cancer in my throat...thanks for jinxing me

@don’t plot twist: since commenting I have developed ovarian cancer in my throat...thanks for jinxing me

Whoever invents the poop bucket is gonna be rich

Whoever invents the poop bucket is gonna be rich

@Pseudo Nym 200GB x 90 = 18TB
Seagate 10TB HDD is $422
Total cost = $844

@Pseudo Nym 200GB x 90 = 18TB
Seagate 10TB HDD is $422
Total cost = $844

I think everyone has missed one important detail regarding security camera data storage. Multiply whatever you deem the data storage requirement to be by the number of strip malls, gas stations, banks, and every small business, etc. in America...

Whoever invents a storage method for that much simultaneous data is going to be rich.

The cloud is, I ,suppose the right direction and a good start but woefully inadequate. We will need next gen storage in the foreseeable future.

I doubt will have one until the year of 3265..

I doubt will have one until the year of 3265..

@Pseudo Nym mans really said it was the storage that was the problem 😂😂 dunce

@Pseudo Nym mans really said it was the storage that was the problem 😂😂 dunce

@Amazing Grace messenger Look into a VPN for your phone.. The main way gov tracks you is through SIM card and web trackers. I use psiphon for android and firefox but there are other free ones and also different kinds of software to root out embedded trackers

@Amazing Grace messenger Look into a VPN for your phone.. The main way gov tracks you is through SIM card and web trackers. I use psiphon for android and firefox but there are other free ones and also different kinds of software to root out embedded trackers

@Pseudo Nym: But if the taxpayer foots the bill who cares right?  I'd rather money be spent on this than say the $1.7 billion of American taxpayer money that Hussein gave to Iran.

@Pseudo Nym: But if the taxpayer foots the bill who cares right?  I'd rather money be spent on this than say the $1.7 billion of American taxpayer money that Hussein gave to Iran.

That thing that looks like an electrical outlet is actually a camera.  Took me too long to figure this out.  It also has about 10 pixels.

That thing that looks like an electrical outlet is actually a camera.  Took me too long to figure this out.  It also has about 10 pixels.

@Adam Rodgers I think it was Benjamin Franklin.

@Adam Rodgers I think it was Benjamin Franklin.

Lmao people dont know how cctv works at all most companies or regular buisnesses or just ur average home camera maby only has like max 10tb of storage and that is even alot, they cant capture hd fotage because most of the time its gonna fill in no time escpecially with more then a couple cameras, so the oldest footage will delete itself when its about to be full, so the lower quality the longer time u can keep old footage. most cctv if not all deletes itself after a couple months unless someone checks it and saves it.

Camera installer - we have two models a 720p for $50 and a 50 megapixel PTZ for $100.<br>Millionaire strip mall owner - I'll take the cheap one.

Camera installer - we have two models a 720p for $50 and a 50 megapixel PTZ for $100.
Millionaire strip mall owner - I'll take the cheap one.

@Pseudo Nym this. My mom's workplace had a recurring issue with shrubs being stolen off the premises - but god forbid installing a quality camera that doesn't fog up to boot. Shrubs were being restocked 10x more often than the actual produce in the store

@Pseudo Nym this. My mom's workplace had a recurring issue with shrubs being stolen off the premises - but god forbid installing a quality camera that doesn't fog up to boot. Shrubs were being restocked 10x more often than the actual produce in the store

Whoever captures a sasquatch today with a smartphone camera is gonna be rich.

Whoever captures a sasquatch today with a smartphone camera is gonna be rich.

@Pseudo Nym imagine our brains are storing years of image in rar, just build little brains, attatch them to camera and voila

@Pseudo Nym imagine our brains are storing years of image in rar, just build little brains, attatch them to camera and voila

I have Nest cams at home inside and out. 1000 times better than most cctv cams and only cost $100.00. And you can get cloud storage for $100 a year.

I have Nest cams at home inside and out. 1000 times better than most cctv cams and only cost $100.00. And you can get cloud storage for $100 a year.

In countries that got the tech later they're much better quality, in places like the US they are shitty because you got the tech first but don't want to pay to upgrade. It's as simple and depressing as that I'm afraid.

In countries that got the tech later they're much better quality, in places like the US they are shitty because you got the tech first but don't want to pay to upgrade. It's as simple and depressing as that I'm afraid.

@Pseudo Nym I don't think 1080p is good enough for surveillance

@Pseudo Nym I don't think 1080p is good enough for surveillance

@Pseudo Nym I used to think 1 TB was alot

@Pseudo Nym I used to think 1 TB was alot

@Jordan Thistle That is not the problem, and is already easily doable, the problem is thata file can only be compressed in a zip to some extent.

@Jordan Thistle That is not the problem, and is already easily doable, the problem is thata file can only be compressed in a zip to some extent.

@Pseudo Nym 1 hour of 1080p = 1 GB. 24 hours = 200Gb? But you are absolutely correct that storage is the reason we don’t have 24 hour 4K surveillance.

@Pseudo Nym 1 hour of 1080p = 1 GB. 24 hours = 200Gb? But you are absolutely correct that storage is the reason we don’t have 24 hour 4K surveillance.

@Robert Fierce yep thats true and when they do decide to upgrade security after an event, the money sure as hell won’t come out of the upper echelons bonuses, raises etc. instead they’ll hold off on lower level raises and bonuses for a year if they even do that. Or possibly cut People from payroll.

@Robert Fierce yep thats true and when they do decide to upgrade security after an event, the money sure as hell won’t come out of the upper echelons bonuses, raises etc. instead they’ll hold off on lower level raises and bonuses for a year if they even do that. Or possibly cut People from payroll.

Companies like to pocket as much money as possible while investing as little as possible. There are already cheap 4K cameras and cheap storage drives. You can buy a set of 8 security cameras in 1080p with software included for as little as 150 from your local supermarket. You can get a set of 12 4k cameras with software included AND STORAGE hardware for less than 1000. Companies would rather they pocket that money instead for some rich ass CEO to get a few drinks at a fancy bar instead. This is the reality.

@Pseudo Nym actually your wrong on that they will not upgrade or add additional storage or cameras  until something terrible happens...then they run to their security company wanting done yesterday. I work in the industry and I can tell you there are cams that could had prolly recorded what happened in that car. Problem is like ya said people dont want to pay for real security. Well until something happens or something goes missing that's very important. I garuntee that this particular bone fish grill prolly spent some money on cameras storage and maybe a new video system just to prevent something like this happening again or at the very least to get a face or  license plate capture. No one will kill and abduct in that parking lot again I'd bet ton in that. But if companies (that includes banks too(some still use black and white cams ) cared about security they'd regularly update there cameras every atleast 5 years and make sure they excellent coverage. And if they cared they'd reevaluate their camera needs every 2-4 years to make sure nothing happening around and in their property is lethal. Just my opinion. But most places have atleast 15 year old camera systems or older and expect thta to be good enough for insurance even though it's nothing to help investigators. I'm honestly surprised they got what they got.

@Pseudo Nym youre right, though in this day and age you would think we could have cloud storage and some crazy video compression software

@Pseudo Nym youre right, though in this day and age you would think we could have cloud storage and some crazy video compression software

Lol.   Yep.  But the transfer from “American “ cameras to European cameras ( which are lots better ) messes up the Definition loads

Lol.   Yep.  But the transfer from “American “ cameras to European cameras ( which are lots better ) messes up the Definition loads

The interrogation room cameras are even terrible...

The interrogation room cameras are even terrible...

US people want their privacy and don't like cameras everywhere

US people want their privacy and don't like cameras everywhere

The Cecil Hotel must have had some good money 💴

The Cecil Hotel must have had some good money 💴

The guy who created cutlery now that was genius

The guy who created cutlery now that was genius

Security camera footage has to be low-quality because the camera is filming 24/7 and that much HD footage wouldn't be able to fit on their computer. It has to be compressed so they can store hundreds of hours of it.

Security camera footage has to be low-quality because the camera is filming 24/7 and that much HD footage wouldn't be able to fit on their computer. It has to be compressed so they can store hundreds of hours of it.

@Pseudo Nym 4 month loop delete and loop 🔁

@Pseudo Nym 4 month loop delete and loop 🔁

@l mOnce the case is closed, this becomes public record and by law, MUST be archived for a specific amount of time. Police can't just erase one video to make room for an other.

@l mOnce the case is closed, this becomes public record and by law, MUST be archived for a specific amount of time. Police can't just erase one video to make room for an other.

@Suburban Housewife The difference between this and surveillance is, this is required by law to be saved for so many years(along with every single other interview/interrogation). Surveillance footage at a business can be over written everyday/week or month. Both have very different quantities needed for storage.

@Suburban Housewife The difference between this and surveillance is, this is required by law to be saved for so many years(along with every single other interview/interrogation). Surveillance footage at a business can be over written everyday/week or month. Both have very different quantities needed for storage.

That camera was already a high resolution camera. The problem is that the important part of the image is so far that we have to zoom in a lot in order to see anything. Obviously in all digital cameras, when an image is zoomed in, it pixelates.

That camera was already a high resolution camera. The problem is that the important part of the image is so far that we have to zoom in a lot in order to see anything. Obviously in all digital cameras, when an image is zoomed in, it pixelates.

It’s the storage of HD that’s costly. Still, it doesn’t appear that the quality has improved much in the past 25 years. You can barely make any of these people out. WW1 footage has more definition

It’s the storage of HD that’s costly. Still, it doesn’t appear that the quality has improved much in the past 25 years. You can barely make any of these people out. WW1 footage has more definition

We are randomly saying that the one that invest that atuff will be rich. Someone who reads this and has the money actually invests in it and get lots of money....

We are randomly saying that the one that invest that atuff will be rich. Someone who reads this and has the money actually invests in it and get lots of money....

@Pseudo Nym most security systems re-record over it after a set amount of time. Usually about 48 hours. That's about 50gb per camera  amounting to around 18 cameras for 1TB hard drive if you decide to be a complete cheapskate and put your OS and recording software on the same drive. Decent 1TB hard drive is 100$ at most.

@Pseudo Nym most security systems re-record over it after a set amount of time. Usually about 48 hours. That's about 50gb per camera  amounting to around 18 cameras for 1TB hard drive if you decide to be a complete cheapskate and put your OS and recording software on the same drive. Decent 1TB hard drive is 100$ at most.

I’m gonna invent it. And I’m gonna be rich. Every can get a one time 5% discount for  a high storage and high pixel security camera under $35!

I’m gonna invent it. And I’m gonna be rich. Every can get a one time 5% discount for  a high storage and high pixel security camera under $35!

not the camera its the way its stored, made storage space cheaper and bigger and u solve the problem.

not the camera its the way its stored, made storage space cheaper and bigger and u solve the problem.

@Loiso Pondohva Simple solution to bad security cameras: <b>The government finds the money.</b>

@Loiso Pondohva Simple solution to bad security cameras: *The government finds the money.*

There's enough detail to understand what's going on. I don't see the issue.

There's enough detail to understand what's going on. I don't see the issue.

Entitled millennial alert!!! Entitled millennial alert!!

Entitled millennial alert!!! Entitled millennial alert!!

or rather, mandatory high resolution security cameras.

or rather, mandatory high resolution security cameras.

Think about the environment guys. Sortve running outta bamboo here.

Think about the environment guys. Sortve running outta bamboo here.

Whoever sells the high def tech and storage at an affordable price is the problem.

Whoever sells the high def tech and storage at an affordable price is the problem.

So 11 pixel? I think I can do that. Will just take a 12 pixel one and get rid of one pixel.

So 11 pixel? I think I can do that. Will just take a 12 pixel one and get rid of one pixel.

@Joe I could ask for my lawyer but how about I just tell you how I did it.

@Joe I could ask for my lawyer but how about I just tell you how I did it.

Good joke.
Okay, lets move on.
WHEN quality of image (pixels per inch) is gonna get to level that you can zoom to anyone walking street to his finger tip and camera is able to clearly get lines of that hands finger print.
Its will gonna be called new 'digital dna' proof.
Plrase dont anyone press thumbs up yet, but save it to day it will be launched. Then i'll pull this message and screen shot of this (on 01.15.2021) and will give interviews for money, and there is more intresting info according to this matter. Until that day peace out.
Yep, im a pretty smart guy -thank you.

It's a matter of cost
It'd be more expensive
You wouldn't just hang something worth a lot of money out in public

It's a matter of cost
It'd be more expensive
You wouldn't just hang something worth a lot of money out in public

I BROKE INTO UR HOUSE AND STOLE UR CEREAL

@Jena Cide we were talking about interrogation footage here.

@Jena Cide we were talking about interrogation footage here.

@Loiso Pondohva Ok but this wasn't a "government institution" it was a restaurant so that's pretty much irrelevant.

@Loiso Pondohva Ok but this wasn't a "government institution" it was a restaurant so that's pretty much irrelevant.

But they've had potato cameras for decades and they still refuse to use them!!

But they've had potato cameras for decades and they still refuse to use them!!

They've got cheap storage, but they would rather store what sort of soap powder you use and how often you play fortnite, and enable you to watch films you've seen 100 times before over the internet all day, than use it for anything useful.

They've got cheap storage, but they would rather store what sort of soap powder you use and how often you play fortnite, and enable you to watch films you've seen 100 times before over the internet all day, than use it for anything useful.

The trick to beating a security camera is to rush it as a group making sure there are more people than pixels :D

The trick to beating a security camera is to rush it as a group making sure there are more people than pixels :D

Look at the camera on the wall, the second angle. It's disguised to look like an outlet, maybe the main one is also disguised and the film or whatever covering it makes it blurry?

Look at the camera on the wall, the second angle. It's disguised to look like an outlet, maybe the main one is also disguised and the film or whatever covering it makes it blurry?

These videos are almost like tutorials  for people who commit bad crimes

These videos are almost like tutorials  for people who commit bad crimes

@Loiso Pondohva The police should organise servers for hd camera's in know trouble area's.

@Loiso Pondohva The police should organise servers for hd camera's in know trouble area's.

Iam gonna be rich someday, getting ideas from YouTube comments🧐

Iam gonna be rich someday, getting ideas from YouTube comments🧐

@Pseudo Nym cloud storage with aws or microsoft fixes all of this

@Pseudo Nym cloud storage with aws or microsoft fixes all of this

It's not the camera that is the problem. It is the storage solution and the bitrate you have configured it to download and store it. Most cameras will record in 720p or 1080p but the storage solution cannot hold much footage at those resolutions so even though it records at a high resolution it gets downscaled and stored at a lower one resulting in the images you see in these playbacks.

Why tf do people have cameras that probably cost more then my phone and still have like 10p quality 🤣 ITS 2020 WHY THEY STILL LOOK LIKE THAT BRU. I’m convinced it’s on purpose...        jk

Why tf do people have cameras that probably cost more then my phone and still have like 10p quality 🤣 ITS 2020 WHY THEY STILL LOOK LIKE THAT BRU. I’m convinced it’s on purpose...        jk

@Tyson Holyfield not so, it was a public sector development.

@Tyson Holyfield not so, it was a public sector development.

I bet Tesla Factory Security Footage is like 4k iin pixels and Dolby Suroundsound :D

I bet Tesla Factory Security Footage is like 4k iin pixels and Dolby Suroundsound :D

js the quality is better than pewdiepie's videos

js the quality is better than pewdiepie's videos

@Loiso Pondohva But...but, if it were free the inventor wouldn’t be rich. Wasn’t that the goal here??!   /s

@Loiso Pondohva But...but, if it were free the inventor wouldn’t be rich. Wasn’t that the goal here??!   /s

@Loiso Pondohva Not true.

I own a business not generally open to the public. I don’t have random people stopping, nor do I have cash or whatnot. The cameras are just around the building, especially the warehouse where expensive tools, equipment, and scrap copper is stored. All valuable to thieves.

The truth is the deterrent is the camera, not the actual video. If someone was going to break in, then they can spoil the camera with a simple mask. Putting in expensive cameras and data storage on the possibility someone who breaks in is stupid enough to do so without hiding their identity. Let alone someone murdering someone else in its view by chance.

@Tyler Garrison there could be some compression teqniques put in place that would  significantly decrease the file size. Just brainstorming here

@Tyler Garrison there could be some compression teqniques put in place that would  significantly decrease the file size. Just brainstorming here

The thing is that running a high quality security camera 24/7 would make a lot of businesses run bankrupt real fast. You would need to rent a server to store the video which isn't cheap and that would probably only last for 1 month of 24/7 footage

The thing is that running a high quality security camera 24/7 would make a lot of businesses run bankrupt real fast. You would need to rent a server to store the video which isn't cheap and that would probably only last for 1 month of 24/7 footage

@Adam Rodgers damn is that what theyre called by people? ive always called em urinal cakes

@Adam Rodgers damn is that what theyre called by people? ive always called em urinal cakes

@Pseudo Nym S3 standard cost per gb is $0.023

@Pseudo Nym S3 standard cost per gb is $0.023

@Loiso Pondohva whoever invents a money tree is going to be rich

@Loiso Pondohva whoever invents a money tree is going to be rich

some would say they may even be employed by nasa

some would say they may even be employed by nasa

God I work security and this is true. I think it’s because a lot of those cameras are really old. We’ve been getting some new cameras when some need to be replaced and they look super  HD

God I work security and this is true. I think it’s because a lot of those cameras are really old. We’ve been getting some new cameras when some need to be replaced and they look super  HD

We can get clear Pictures of the moon and planets, yet can’t get clear pics from 3ft away 😂

We can get clear Pictures of the moon and planets, yet can’t get clear pics from 3ft away 😂

@Loiso Pondohva if it was free? THEY GET PAID BY THE STATE IT IS FUCKING FREE FOR THEM. They just spend the money on APC's and the latest fucking tactical jack boots to stand on your neck with. ACAB.

@Loiso Pondohva if it was free? THEY GET PAID BY THE STATE IT IS FUCKING FREE FOR THEM. They just spend the money on APC's and the latest fucking tactical jack boots to stand on your neck with. ACAB.

Never saw this comment section coming on camera clear shot

Never saw this comment section coming on camera clear shot

@Adam Rodgers the guy who reinvented them to minimize splash and put targets on them as well

@Adam Rodgers the guy who reinvented them to minimize splash and put targets on them as well

Uhm.
Dunno about the us but here in germany we have 16 1080p 24fps cameras in the store. Have to delete every 2 weeks though.
A simple server does it. It's not that expensive and worth the cost.
You catch every thiev.

Uhm.
Dunno about the us but here in germany we have 16 1080p 24fps cameras in the store. Have to delete every 2 weeks though.
A simple server does it. It's not that expensive and worth the cost.
You catch every thiev.

@Tyson Holyfield I think Al Gore invented it.

@Tyson Holyfield I think Al Gore invented it.

I'm not interested in developing this so here's the best idea if you want to store it locally:

Have high quality 1080p footage for last 24 hrs, then have the buffered footage quality get transcoded into increasingly lower qualities.. the next 2 days could be 720p.. and then you could probably store weeks of footage in 480p. Maybe you could do this w/ like 20TB? Obviously you may want redundant drives though.

@Loiso Pondohva It already exists. Whoever creates more funds for police so they can buy their product is gonna be rich!

@Loiso Pondohva It already exists. Whoever creates more funds for police so they can buy their product is gonna be rich!

it has to be low resolution otherwise you would need a tone of storage!

it has to be low resolution otherwise you would need a tone of storage!

@Pseudo Nym Pretty sure there are compression techniques to make 1080p way below gigabyte while still keeping majority of quality by now.

@Pseudo Nym Pretty sure there are compression techniques to make 1080p way below gigabyte while still keeping majority of quality by now.

@Pseudo Nym Storage shouldn't be an issue. If you film in 1080p at 30 FPS, you could get a month's worth of video on a little over 10TB of storage. You can set security cameras to loop over old footage. If you don't catch a need for footage in a month, then you're doing something seriously wrong. That being said, 10TB of storage will run you $600-700. You could easily scale that to much longer for pennies for a business.

whoever invents something that stops my children from taking a toilet roll from the packet and leaving it somewhere instead of on the holder is gonna be rich 😂 sorry it's my cleaning day today and I'm getting triggered by random things

whoever invents something that stops my children from taking a toilet roll from the packet and leaving it somewhere instead of on the holder is gonna be rich 😂 sorry it's my cleaning day today and I'm getting triggered by random things

Quality of archived footage from CCTV is improving on a curve. This particular footage was cropped and enlarged so the quality is poor. If you look at the whole frame it has a lot of detail of the carpark but they zoomed in.

Quality of archived footage from CCTV is improving on a curve. This particular footage was cropped and enlarged so the quality is poor. If you look at the whole frame it has a lot of detail of the carpark but they zoomed in.

@Alain Lalonde  <br>do you really think there is any incentive to be doing these in HD? a courtroom doesn't need an IMAX projection screen because these aren't filmed for homebodies to binge online. they just need recognizable visuals and audio.

@Alain Lalonde
do you really think there is any incentive to be doing these in HD? a courtroom doesn't need an IMAX projection screen because these aren't filmed for homebodies to binge online. they just need recognizable visuals and audio.

whoever invents a vidya game where you can date bts members in vr is gonna be rich

whoever invents a vidya game where you can date bts members in vr is gonna be rich

Ill make one with 11 pixels. How about THAT

Ill make one with 11 pixels. How about THAT

A guy mugged my friend at knife point on an ATM security camera directly on him and the footage is too grainy to convict anyone.

A guy mugged my friend at knife point on an ATM security camera directly on him and the footage is too grainy to convict anyone.

Major props to those detectives who saw that shitty security cam footage and could determine that the car was a Chevy Malibu or that the guy was 5'11"

Major props to those detectives who saw that shitty security cam footage and could determine that the car was a Chevy Malibu or that the guy was 5'11"

@Tyson Holyfield Tim Berners-Lee invented WorldWideWeb and gave it away for free (for the good of humanity - and fuckin lovers of fuckin cute fuckin kittens!)

@Tyson Holyfield Tim Berners-Lee invented WorldWideWeb and gave it away for free (for the good of humanity - and fuckin lovers of fuckin cute fuckin kittens!)

Storage is easy, convert your recordings to a smaller file type - like .mov or something and it will definitely still contain way more clarity than low quality footage.

Storage is easy, convert your recordings to a smaller file type - like .mov or something and it will definitely still contain way more clarity than low quality footage.

@Moridaaa i like your foto i know its handmade and these make it more beautifull 🤘

@Moridaaa i like your foto i know its handmade and these make it more beautifull 🤘

its not the camera that is bad, its that the footage is intentionally recorded in small size because recording footage 24/7 takes insane amounts of storage. try recording something in full HD for 5min and see what file size you get. now imagine recording 24/7. no one has such huge sized storage servers in companies for such thing as security camera that mostly records nothing important.

Or someone could become rich if they invent a 10 foot wide, car registration plate

Or someone could become rich if they invent a 10 foot wide, car registration plate

@Pseudo Nym Look at DNA digital data storage. Some of the coolest tech I've seen in some time

@Pseudo Nym Look at DNA digital data storage. Some of the coolest tech I've seen in some time

@Siwi the Costco I worked at has that too
I worked at the cell phone kiosk and there was a few incidents of theft I got to see their setup, and holy FUCK hahaha
It's like full HD with optical zoom haha, no loss in quality even when zoomed in
They can see your whole face crystal clear, have all angles covered, it's crazy

@Siwi the Costco I worked at has that too
I worked at the cell phone kiosk and there was a few incidents of theft I got to see their setup, and holy FUCK hahaha
It's like full HD with optical zoom haha, no loss in quality even when zoomed in
They can see your whole face crystal clear, have all angles covered, it's crazy

you don't even understand how much storage and file delivery time is gonna take with 1080p.. its really fucking expensive and time consuming

you don't even understand how much storage and file delivery time is gonna take with 1080p.. its really fucking expensive and time consuming

Lol, no one is buying 10 4k cameras for "surveillance" that would break any bank

Lol, no one is buying 10 4k cameras for "surveillance" that would break any bank

@Loiso Pondohva well, we can get there eventually if we start investing in education. There are plenty of people who want to do these things, but not near enough because they arent educated on these issues enough to know the real and dire need for it and other things.

@Loiso Pondohva well, we can get there eventually if we start investing in education. There are plenty of people who want to do these things, but not near enough because they arent educated on these issues enough to know the real and dire need for it and other things.

The cameras at my house are better than this

The cameras at my house are better than this

basically you have a choice HD quality videos stored for less time e.g. keep the footage for only one month or lower quality footage stored for a longer time e.g. keep the footage for 6 months. That's why security cameras are lower quality because it's deemed more important to be able to store the footage for a longer time rather than increase the quality of the footage

basically you have a choice HD quality videos stored for less time e.g. keep the footage for only one month or lower quality footage stored for a longer time e.g. keep the footage for 6 months. That's why security cameras are lower quality because it's deemed more important to be able to store the footage for a longer time rather than increase the quality of the footage

Whoever finds the key to dark matter will be rich

Whoever finds the key to dark matter will be rich

@Loiso Pondohva Full HD @30fps  on an iphone 6s is 7,6GB per hour or 180GB per day. Police stations often keep footage for 180 days so that means little over 32TB per camera; which is 1000 bucks in HDD storage. A NAS that could store enough drives for 8 camera's is 5000 bucks. Not sure how 1.600 bucks per camera just for storage is somewhere near cheap

@Loiso Pondohva Full HD @30fps  on an iphone 6s is 7,6GB per hour or 180GB per day. Police stations often keep footage for 180 days so that means little over 32TB per camera; which is 1000 bucks in HDD storage. A NAS that could store enough drives for 8 camera's is 5000 bucks. Not sure how 1.600 bucks per camera just for storage is somewhere near cheap

@Loiso Pondohva I mean sure but not multiply that with each station and the fact they actually have to save it for quite a long time, I believe. I'm not 100% sure how long but I wouldn't be surprised if it's years. So it's not a one time cost either.

It would quickly add up.

@Loiso Pondohva I mean sure but not multiply that with each station and the fact they actually have to save it for quite a long time, I believe. I'm not 100% sure how long but I wouldn't be surprised if it's years. So it's not a one time cost either.

It would quickly add up.

@Pseudo Nym then where does all the 240p video get stored? at least 720p could be good

@Pseudo Nym then where does all the 240p video get stored? at least 720p could be good

LOL - That's all....

Oh wait, no... Also, interrogation production videos could be better too. I wonder if it's on purpose. It's not hard these days, and this is recent. I also wonder if there's a tactical,  psychological, or legal reason for this lack of HD. For crying out loud, we be doing 8K+ these days...    lol

LOL - That's all....

Oh wait, no... Also, interrogation production videos could be better too. I wonder if it's on purpose. It's not hard these days, and this is recent. I also wonder if there's a tactical,  psychological, or legal reason for this lack of HD. For crying out loud, we be doing 8K+ these days...    lol

Those businesses so cheap with the cameras them mfks be running 240p

Those businesses so cheap with the cameras them mfks be running 240p

@Pseudo Nym if I can buy a 4tb External HDD for $50, the storage does exist

@Pseudo Nym if I can buy a 4tb External HDD for $50, the storage does exist

Everything needed is already there, problem is cost and changes in workplace. But honestly having hd camera in <b>interrogation</b> room would seem really helpful to observe expressions small details.

Everything needed is already there, problem is cost and changes in workplace. But honestly having hd camera in *interrogation* room would seem really helpful to observe expressions small details.

Loiso Pondohva file size depends on compression and encoding not just the resolution too. I’ve had many videos that are only a couple of hours long at 1080p be over 20gb

Loiso Pondohva file size depends on compression and encoding not just the resolution too. I’ve had many videos that are only a couple of hours long at 1080p be over 20gb

It’s just the fact that the file size for larger resolution would be too massive to store cheaply

It’s just the fact that the file size for larger resolution would be too massive to store cheaply

@Pseudo Nym Nah its a system where it automatically deletes footage after a set time to clear space. Most commonly after 24 hours.

@Pseudo Nym Nah its a system where it automatically deletes footage after a set time to clear space. Most commonly after 24 hours.

Whoever makes it affordable for places to buy will be poor.

Whoever makes it affordable for places to buy will be poor.

@Pseudo Nym It was a red light camera, it probably was HD but there's a limit to view distance. The camera wasn't set up to capture the adjacent parking lot of a bonefish grill.

@Pseudo Nym It was a red light camera, it probably was HD but there's a limit to view distance. The camera wasn't set up to capture the adjacent parking lot of a bonefish grill.

Although I'm not entirely sure as to why, I'm pretty sure that there's a reason that they have cameras like this.

Although I'm not entirely sure as to why, I'm pretty sure that there's a reason that they have cameras like this.

Its because the lower the quality the lower storage needed for it, the storage is much more expensive then the cameras

Its because the lower the quality the lower storage needed for it, the storage is much more expensive then the cameras

@Pseudo Nym yes whoever invents free hd security cameras with unlimited free storage is going to change the world, but he wont be rich

@Pseudo Nym yes whoever invents free hd security cameras with unlimited free storage is going to change the world, but he wont be rich

If that camera had any less pixels it would be a radio

If that camera had any less pixels it would be a radio

Have you seen this guy Bonefish Grill hired? Like, if that's who they can afford, they def can't afford decent cameras.

Have you seen this guy Bonefish Grill hired? Like, if that's who they can afford, they def can't afford decent cameras.

Well most places keep their record for quite a bit so having a high resolution just drive up cost if you’re recording 24/7

Well most places keep their record for quite a bit so having a high resolution just drive up cost if you’re recording 24/7

@Pseudo Nym Magnetic memory here I come!

@Pseudo Nym Magnetic memory here I come!

@Loiso Pondohva the institutions don't care.  whoever invents the trojan virus that goes out and destroys all 10 pixel security cameras in existence is going to be famous...not rich...but well liked.

@Loiso Pondohva the institutions don't care.  whoever invents the trojan virus that goes out and destroys all 10 pixel security cameras in existence is going to be famous...not rich...but well liked.

@Pseudo Nym That and elite file compression is where it's at!

@Pseudo Nym That and elite file compression is where it's at!

mike h hdds are cheap don’t even get me started you can get 2 terabytes for 40 dollars, the problem is that they’re not as fast as ssds, but frankly in an investigation I’d rather have the crystal clear footage and have it take a minute to load than have grainy footage and nothing to go from

mike h hdds are cheap don’t even get me started you can get 2 terabytes for 40 dollars, the problem is that they’re not as fast as ssds, but frankly in an investigation I’d rather have the crystal clear footage and have it take a minute to load than have grainy footage and nothing to go from

I believe the video is of good quality however it has been enlarged to a great extent.

I believe the video is of good quality however it has been enlarged to a great extent.

Holy shit i wrote too many shit for sure

Holy shit i wrote too many shit for sure

@Your Average Imperial Guard then tampering with the evidence will be the highest concern. You could access cloud from anywhere. I don't know the details about internet security (since I'm an expert) soo correct me if I'm wrong

Offline storage has a failsafe which is CCTV to guard the room, CCTV leading to the room, and CCTV outside of the building (if there are any). Tampering with offline storage will require more work and prone to mistakes that lead to being discovered.

"But there is simple thing like Date Modified"
Let's see. If the evidence is tampered (especially without offline backup), it IS still gone. Access history could be tracked but I think position scrambling software is quite accessible to public.
(On the part above, I'm not certain on how far the internet security goes, I might have dumbed it down. In such case, please do enlight me.)

If you're talking about special encrypted cloud storage that require physical appearance on access room, I have zero idea about such system. If there is none, it would be....VERY expensive to develop, I think.

(Below is purely my theory)
Also, blackhat hackers are sure not common. But on Epstein level case, suspect might have access to such people.
If some people could tamper with offline storage (which is I think is harder), then someone could tamper with online storage.

Please do correct me though, since I'm not a computer-related graduate and would like to listen to people with far more competent knowledge.

@Moridaaa Cloud storage is not prone to breaches. And I don't imagine breaches are your primary concern if you connect it with a security camera.

I also don't think burglars have the know how for being black hat hackers.

@Moridaaa Cloud storage is not prone to breaches. And I don't imagine breaches are your primary concern if you connect it with a security camera.

I also don't think burglars have the know how for being black hat hackers.

Cloud storage is a no-no
It's prone to breaches and alike.
Oh yeah also it can be tampered far easier than local drive. Dunno tho, I was thinking of near-dystopian justice system. Maybe i was just too pessimistic and thought too far.

Cloud storage is a no-no
It's prone to breaches and alike.
Oh yeah also it can be tampered far easier than local drive. Dunno tho, I was thinking of near-dystopian justice system. Maybe i was just too pessimistic and thought too far.

@Captain Hindsight Tell that company to buy some up to date cameras and a cloud storage subscription.

It really wouldn't be that expensive for them to upgrade and get an actual functioning security system.

@Captain Hindsight Tell that company to buy some up to date cameras and a cloud storage subscription.

It really wouldn't be that expensive for them to upgrade and get an actual functioning security system.

The issue still is storage. I work with an company who still uses vhs tapes for some cameras where video footage is a must, simply because its cheaper, and for others the camera it just takes a still image every x seconds because the bill to upgrade and store the data would be a contract the runs in 10s of millions. The cameras are simply meant to be a deterrent and this is probably true for a lot of organizations

@Pseudo Nym No, it really doesn't. Especially considering the existence of cheap cloud data storage.

@Pseudo Nym No, it really doesn't. Especially considering the existence of cheap cloud data storage.

It's only when other people are doing crime that the footage is grainy.

If you're out committing a crime they'll have it in Crystal clear hd.

It's only when other people are doing crime that the footage is grainy.

If you're out committing a crime they'll have it in Crystal clear hd.

The camera is likely very far away and that is a zoomed in shot of the area in question.<br>Look up the UK CCTV cameras, they zoom in like crazy but it gets grainy.

The camera is likely very far away and that is a zoomed in shot of the area in question.
Look up the UK CCTV cameras, they zoom in like crazy but it gets grainy.

@DrifterMW the police doesn't get enough money as it is. That is why they are corrupted lol.

The training an American police goes through is pitiful compared to many other countries. And in these times they are so desperate that they let people in who don't pass the background check. Which feeds the machine even more.

So where is the money gonna come from then, you think?

@DrifterMW the police doesn't get enough money as it is. That is why they are corrupted lol.

The training an American police goes through is pitiful compared to many other countries. And in these times they are so desperate that they let people in who don't pass the background check. Which feeds the machine even more.

So where is the money gonna come from then, you think?

They costs are no problem, whoever gonna make people and police officer uncorrupted gonna be rich

They costs are no problem, whoever gonna make people and police officer uncorrupted gonna be rich

@Tyler Garrison 🙏 another rational soul. Instead of just thinking cameras sucks. They got the conviction, meaning the resolution used did it's job 🙏🙏

@Tyler Garrison 🙏 another rational soul. Instead of just thinking cameras sucks. They got the conviction, meaning the resolution used did it's job 🙏🙏

It's an issue of storage. And IT bugets. The cost or storing footage from dozens or more HD cameras is prohibitively expensive. Especially if they are required to keep footage for a specific length of time. Even with moderns video compression, that shit adds up fast.<br>Source: IT guy

It's an issue of storage. And IT bugets. The cost or storing footage from dozens or more HD cameras is prohibitively expensive. Especially if they are required to keep footage for a specific length of time. Even with moderns video compression, that shit adds up fast.
Source: IT guy

Pseudo Nym Of course you’re gonna be the guy that has to go from 10p to 1080 in one jump.. If security footage would have even 360 or 480 you would be able to see more than the primary colors of the scene..

Pseudo Nym Of course you’re gonna be the guy that has to go from 10p to 1080 in one jump.. If security footage would have even 360 or 480 you would be able to see more than the primary colors of the scene..

Theyll put potato dealers out of business

Theyll put potato dealers out of business

@Alexandre Nicastro You cant use cloud storage for such a problem its far too slow. When moving such large storage its faster to send it by train and then locally transfer than ethernet infrastructure. <br>Unless you have a dedicated site to site 100 terabyte link. like some campuses can have for super computers.

@Alexandre Nicastro You cant use cloud storage for such a problem its far too slow. When moving such large storage its faster to send it by train and then locally transfer than ethernet infrastructure.
Unless you have a dedicated site to site 100 terabyte link. like some campuses can have for super computers.

matthew scoles good old Tom....wonder what ever happened to him. 😂

matthew scoles good old Tom....wonder what ever happened to him. 😂

Johnnie it’s the interwebs...nobody knows how to take jokes on here anymore lol

Johnnie it’s the interwebs...nobody knows how to take jokes on here anymore lol

Adam Rodgers to be completely honest, this might be the most true comment I’ve read on this whole app. 😂

Adam Rodgers to be completely honest, this might be the most true comment I’ve read on this whole app. 😂

@l m Most policies for companies require a 2 month easily accessible back-up and up to a year on tape or other large but slow storage.

Do you realize how much data would be consumed in 2 months of constant footage in HD?

You can identify people now, but would require exponentially more data to see their face and or nr plate. which wouldnt add much to the investigation.

@l m Most policies for companies require a 2 month easily accessible back-up and up to a year on tape or other large but slow storage.

Do you realize how much data would be consumed in 2 months of constant footage in HD?

You can identify people now, but would require exponentially more data to see their face and or nr plate. which wouldnt add much to the investigation.

You just delete old footage.... recycle your space i guess

You just delete old footage.... recycle your space i guess

@Andre Eijbers Compressing and decompressing are still not free and require processing power, which in turn requires money to buy that processing power (using on-premises infrastructure, cloud services, etc.)

@Andre Eijbers Compressing and decompressing are still not free and require processing power, which in turn requires money to buy that processing power (using on-premises infrastructure, cloud services, etc.)

@Loiso Pondohva The storage for exabytes of data for cameras over the whole country stored for at least 2 months back does not exist. Its an insane amount of storage and would increases exponentially with higher quality cameras. The reason its low definition is so that they can tell someone was there or something happen but not more. Its a decent compromise.

They got the confession from a shitty camera.

The footage was probably extremely zoomed in. The camera was probably near or mounted on the building and the cars were parked pretty far away from the building.

The footage was probably extremely zoomed in. The camera was probably near or mounted on the building and the cars were parked pretty far away from the building.

Just need to adopt the UK's system. They have great cameras and great public use of surveillance. Great for tracking missing people. Awful for public privacy.

Just need to adopt the UK's system. They have great cameras and great public use of surveillance. Great for tracking missing people. Awful for public privacy.

@Pseudo Nym The archived data could easily be compressed and decompressed as necessary though. The technology and possibility exists, people are just apathetic

@Pseudo Nym The archived data could easily be compressed and decompressed as necessary though. The technology and possibility exists, people are just apathetic

Best I can do is 11.

Oh wait no... that was a crumb... back to the drawing board.

Best I can do is 11.

Oh wait no... that was a crumb... back to the drawing board.

I am invent one with 10.5 pixels and profit.

I am invent one with 10.5 pixels and profit.

We use some nice Avigilon cameras at work that has crisp picture day and night even at 40x zoom. Each camera is $20,000.  And that's exactly why almost no surveillance footage looks good. It's expensive.

We use some nice Avigilon cameras at work that has crisp picture day and night even at 40x zoom. Each camera is $20,000.  And that's exactly why almost no surveillance footage looks good. It's expensive.

@Dark Archon Except 4k footage is hundreds of gigabytes. And now imagine having security footage of the entire week in 4k. You would need Microsoft servers to hold all that data

@Dark Archon Except 4k footage is hundreds of gigabytes. And now imagine having security footage of the entire week in 4k. You would need Microsoft servers to hold all that data

@Adam Rodgers You're out of your element, donnie!

@Adam Rodgers You're out of your element, donnie!

Jordan Thistle Uh. That’s a 10 Pinocchio Pants-on-Fire statement. Exactly none of that is true.

Jordan Thistle Uh. That’s a 10 Pinocchio Pants-on-Fire statement. Exactly none of that is true.

Loiso Pondohva Modern systems are a fraction of the cost of old surveillance systems.

Loiso Pondohva Modern systems are a fraction of the cost of old surveillance systems.

Pseudo Nym ... Like Amazon, Microsoft or Seagate? I think maybe you’re not too familiar with modern surveillance cameras, memory card and cloud storage options and pricing.

It’s very cheap.

Pseudo Nym ... Like Amazon, Microsoft or Seagate? I think maybe you’re not too familiar with modern surveillance cameras, memory card and cloud storage options and pricing.

It’s very cheap.

@nando lance I just wanted to sound smart lol. I actually have no idea about this kinda thing 🤣.

@nando lance I just wanted to sound smart lol. I actually have no idea about this kinda thing 🤣.

@Jordan Thistle Well, video files are unable to be compressed by much seeing as how the original video format is already compressed. So zipping video files would save little if not any space at all. The solution to this problem definitely lies with storage, whether it be physical or cloud storage.

@Jordan Thistle Well, video files are unable to be compressed by much seeing as how the original video format is already compressed. So zipping video files would save little if not any space at all. The solution to this problem definitely lies with storage, whether it be physical or cloud storage.

@Loiso Pondohva i already exist.i gonna be rich

@Loiso Pondohva i already exist.i gonna be rich

2011- those quailty cameras were in existence and open to the public to buy LoL 🤣

2011- those quailty cameras were in existence and open to the public to buy LoL 🤣

@Jonathan Rampersad naw, it wouldnt because once you mechanically zoom in it is not going to be much better. If you wanted a clear video that you can get zoomed stills you need hd at least at 1080 60fps any lower and the stills . What we really need, is for someone to invent a system that can record each hour and zip the folder to compress the data. Then if poloce are looikng for a certain time they can unzip and the video will be HD

@Pseudo Nym yh but even 720p would suffice

@Pseudo Nym yh but even 720p would suffice

@Jennifer Green Hey this is some real shit real discourse

@Jennifer Green Hey this is some real shit real discourse

Johnnie
So right you are Johnnie.
Sometimes an eye witness talking to a charcoal sketch artist will yield a better likeness than most of those cheap obscurity cameras.

Johnnie
So right you are Johnnie.
Sometimes an eye witness talking to a charcoal sketch artist will yield a better likeness than most of those cheap obscurity cameras.

The real problem isn$$$$ most places just buyin fake cameras lol

The real problem isn$$$$ most places just buyin fake cameras lol

Yikes, ok guys, I know there are better cameras out there. Obvious joke apparently was not obvious! :D

Yikes, ok guys, I know there are better cameras out there. Obvious joke apparently was not obvious! :D

Whoever invented the Internet is going to be rich

Whoever invented the Internet is going to be rich

Y'all are too savage about the camera quality in these comments lol 😂😂😂

Y'all are too savage about the camera quality in these comments lol 😂😂😂

Dude they already make 4K Cameras with facial recognition technology these guys were just too cheap to have them installed or just didn't see the need to do it.

Dude they already make 4K Cameras with facial recognition technology these guys were just too cheap to have them installed or just didn't see the need to do it.

Ironically the mcds I worked at had crystal clear footage where we could zoom in on ones finger. And that footage was stored for a week.

Ironically the mcds I worked at had crystal clear footage where we could zoom in on ones finger. And that footage was stored for a week.

@Pseudo Nym sure, and if it was free, they would upgrade even sooner.
The point is, cost is rarely a deciding factor in institutions.
It's lack of will and initiative. The relative cost of systems that are currently installed in most government institutions was far more at the time of their installment, than a cost of comparable 1080p system now. They were installed just because the need became undeniable as old systems aged. Current systems haven't aged to that extent, and the process of dragging upgrades through all the instances of decision-making, procurement and installation is a long process itself.
And 1080p video is 40 gb per 24 hours, not 200. Neither are 24-hour feeds stored for 3 months.
But suppose they were.
That makes a 10-camera system of 1080p video producing 400 gb per day, making it 36 tb in 3 months. And that is 600 - 1200$ in HDDs. Less than it typically costs to state to hold ONE inmate for that time by a factor of 2-5 depending on the state.

@Loiso Pondohva the storage exists for sure but the main reasons institutions refuse to upgrade is because of cost IMO. not that it's not a worthy investment but they just don't wanna go balls deep on 100s of terabytes of storage cause "if it aint broke don't fix it." keep in mind an hour of 1080p video is just over a gigabyte and having to store all that over a long term (something like 200 GB per day per camera for up to 90 days) poses a definite challenge. Either way ur right, institutions don't care to spend money on this sort of thing, but the less it costs the more they start to consider it.

The guy who created urinal pucks was a low key genius.

The guy who created urinal pucks was a low key genius.

@Pseudo Nym the storage already exists.<br>Whoever invents institutions that would either care or know how to upgrade decade-old systems - that guy is gonna be rich.

@Pseudo Nym the storage already exists.
Whoever invents institutions that would either care or know how to upgrade decade-old systems - that guy is gonna be rich.

the cameras already exist, whoever invents cheap storage for hundreds of hours of HD security footage is gonna be rich

the cameras already exist, whoever invents cheap storage for hundreds of hours of HD security footage is gonna be rich