They made the middle finger to the fandom... and i loved that.

Well no they made a middle finger to the people who act like that in the fandom


For the record, I personally wasn't offended by this episode. I consider it a friendly, well meaning jab. I know that while the writers of the show focus more on stories for young girls, they never appeared to harbor any contempt for their older, more analytical audience. I can tell there were no ill intentions behind this.

So agreed. Besides, I'm also not offended by the episode because I never had the kind of obnoxious behaviour that some of the loudest sections of the fanbase have and seemed to have been directly called out here; in fact, it was cathartic to me seeing the showrunners calling the fandom out on that, tbh.

If you watch MA Larson's interview about this episode, Hasbro forced this episode on him and denied his changes that would have improved it.

Toksyuryel As far as I can tell, the only big change that occurred between Larson’s original version and this final version was the ending - he had it as basically a traditional FiM happy ending (where the crowd realized the error of their ways), and I disagree that that would have made the episode better. In fact, I think this ending works better for the overall episode.

@Jonny Manztrue. It's more grounded and redpilled, and goes to show how some people are just best to be left be, and are irredeemable.


8:30 Fun fact: because of this scene taking place right after an ad break, during the episode's original airing on Discovery Family the TV-Y rating logo started to fade away the moment Starlight mentioned she's "gonna have a chat with these two". The implications were not lost on most viewers.

8:30 Fun fact: because of this scene taking place right after an ad break, during the episode's original airing on Discovery Family the TV-Y rating logo started to fade away the moment Starlight mentioned she's "gonna have a _chat_ with these two". The implications were not lost on most viewers.


This episode marks Twilight's first use of the CANTERLOT ROYAL VOICE


I love the secondary message of this episode: Sometimes you just can't reason with idiots and have to give up and let them be miserable on their own.

However, I disagree that the show is targeted at only little girls. I have an official Vinyl Scratch with the words "Adult Collectible: Not a toy" on the front that says differently.

Mere existence of this episode, as well as ep.100 tells you it's not only for little girls. It's more of a "mainly" with a side of "adult audience appreciation"

@HelluvaGabbs it was an exclusive item only buyable in 2013 sadly

I think what he means is that the original target audience was little girls, which is true. But when they realized that more than just that demographic was into the show, they started branching out their marketing

Thats true. I have a brand new flatbill hat from 2015 that says brony with the black rainbow dash that's officially licensed by Hasbro.


I think the show staff have made it pretty clear over the years that they really appreciate the fandom as a whole - heck, Slice of Life wouldn't exist otherwise, it's basically a love letter to the fandom - so I definitely see this episode as some well-meaning ribbing rather than anything actually mean-spirited. The relationship between the MLP fandom and the show staff has always been really enjoyable and fun to me and I've always loved observing that so this is a good one IMO.

Also anyone who looks at this episode and goes "they're talking about ME SPECIFICALLY and I'm HURT :(" should... probably... take some time to think about that since this is just depicting some obnoxious types of fans I'm js

The parts about Fluttershy specifically SLAYED me when I first saw this and they still make me chuckle, as someone who relates most to her and has spent years hearing fans say stuff like that lol


Another aspect to this episode that popped into my head-- this episode tends to be overshadowed by the fandom stuff, but the message itself is a great one for any age:  Despite what books, tv, movies, etc. may say for the sake of narrative, flaws take time to change and that's okay.  You're not suddenly going to be perfect by learning something once or twice.  It takes practice and maybe even a lifetime.  Kids and adults shouldn't hold themselves to impossible standards (i.e. I still have depression, something's wrong with me or why can't I stop being so shy?)-- it's okay, it's what makes us all who we are.  In other words, just like in the episode, the fandom takes the spotlight while the actual lesson sort of gets pushed to the side but it's satisfying and important to get.

It's funny that the metaphor usually gets lost in discussions.

Maybe because those who ignore this episode recognize themselves into the annoying ponies x) And yeah you're right


18:21 You know, as much as I love "You're In My Head Like A Catchy Song", this is actually my favorite song of the season. It has a powerful message, it sums up a lot of the Mane 6's character development throughout the last few seasons, and the execution is just brilliant.

18:21 You know, as much as I love "You're In My Head Like A Catchy Song", _this_ is actually my favorite song of the season. It has a powerful message, it sums up a lot of the Mane 6's character development throughout the last few seasons, and the execution is just brilliant.


"Flawless" is to this day one of my top five favorite songs, and this episode is one of my top five faves of the series.  :)

It's my top favorite mlp song. Like a reminder that even if I mess up, that's ok because no one is perfect


17:56 The blue heired Fluttershy fan is my favorite background pony (even though this is her only appearence, as far as I know). They were able to convey so much with just her facial expressions in the background.


It took me a while to figure this episode out, but when that pony said "Twilight was better before she had wings!" That was when I was I like, "Oooooh, I see what you're doing here."


‘Flawless’ remains as one of my favourite songs from the series. This was a really good episode 😀


I don't care about the hate! I love this episode and the lesson behind it!!


Wow, you got the connection to the fandom aspect at the Rarity part. Most reactors figure it out once they get to Fluttershy.

Ladix figured it out at Twilight's wings comment.

I believe I figured out on "let's sell our Journal Of Friendship", knowing thing or two of stories structure, meta-humor and the fact, that this show is not afraid to communicate with it's audience. Rarity part was like "EEYUP, exactly that."


"The purpose of [the MLP story] isn't supposed to be marketing", says Twilight in the show created for marketing. I think that line was Larson's quiet revenge for being forced to write this episode. Most of the cast loved (or at least tolerated) the fandom. M. A. Larson, the writer for this and several "contentious" episodes like giving Twilight wings, was even in a Bronies React video poking fun at himself, pretending it was all about the money and that he was a mercenary monster... In a fan video exclusively for the adult fans of the show.

The CMC's VAs all hang  and sing with BlackGryph0n. Tara Strong is Twilightlicious. Ingram (music director) has taken cues from Brony music in several pieces (what's the odds of a Vinyl Scratch dubstep remix if that were not the case?).

The respect and friendship in this show goes both ways. And if Larson was sport enough to make fun of himself on Bronies React, then we all should be sports enough to accept this ribbing, even if it came down on high from Hasbro suits and not the team.

anyway, what is wrong if they are just creating new features in the show for toys to sell? Don't they need money? I don't see why people make fun for someone trying to earn a living.


This is one of my favorite episodes of the entire show. I love the song and don’t understand the hate at all.

Ok I know I am 3 years for he future but yeah the hate is mostly form the people that exactly act like that and got mad that has bro exposed them


0:37 "Fame and Misfortune.  This kind of sounds like a Rarity episode."
More like an anti-Rarity episode!  :)


6:57 Once the viewer realizes that the book represents the show this line becomes incredibly ironic.


I have so many thoughts on this one but a lot of what comes to mind is actually addressed in the show itself.


This is a great episode.  I like analysts okay, because animation is an art form (no matter what age/gender it's targeted to) and art is meant to be considered and analyzed, IMO.  Now, that being said, it's still totally possible to miss the point and to be douchey about it which some fans (of many shows/artforms/whatever) do.

I like that the characters have clear flaws and repeated negative aspects to their personality.  A lack of that would make characters boring and stale.  I didn't think the episode went too far at all, it reminds us that while it's okay to think about things and discuss things, we aren't entitled to demands or control-- but amidst all the clatter, as long as some folks 'get' it (especially the ones it's directed towards), the creators seem to think that makes it more worthwhile.  After all, there are fans like this (and worse) in EVERY fandom.

This is a great episode.  I like analysts okay, because animation is an art form (no matter what age/gender it's targeted to) and art is meant to be considered and analyzed, IMO.  Now, that being said, it's still totally possible to miss the point and to be douchey about it which some fans (of many shows/artforms/whatever) do.

I like that the characters have clear flaws and *repeated* negative aspects to their personality.  A lack of that would make characters boring and stale.  I didn't think the episode went too far at all, it reminds us that while it's okay to think about things and discuss things, we aren't entitled to demands or control-- but amidst all the clatter, as long as some folks 'get' it (especially the ones it's directed towards), the creators seem to think that makes it more worthwhile.  After all, there are fans like this (and worse) in EVERY fandom.

Your justification is great, it is just most of the time people abuse That to "critic just for the sake of it" using standard that is different than the purpose of the art


Im glad that the creators have always appreciated the focus of MLP on friendship lessons.Before the your reaction to this episode,I didn't really see this message,and even so I perceived MLP as a learning story, which(probably)benefited me.But now I see,even with attention from the brony,MLP to the end remained the greatest story with the greatest morality - FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC


This episode is kind of a mixed bag for me, mostly because of the way the Ponyvillians were acting towards our main characters. I know that they are supposed to be a reflection of the fandom in a way, but the whole thing was just jarring to me and they rubbed me the wrong way. Aside from that, this episode did have its moments here and there, mostly the “Flawless” song. That is my favorite part of this episode to this day.


And now you have completed the three truly amazing episodes that aired consecutively in season 7. There was actually a fairly large time gap between The Perfect Pear and Fame and Misfortune, since they were on either side of the mid-season gap.  It was probably for the best, since the previous episode was nearly impossible to follow, yet this episode really pulled it off. That's why both these episodes as well as the preceding Discordant Harmony all made my top ten list. Fear not a letdown, as there are still several episodes left in season 7 that also nearly made my list. Also, I can't honestly say if I like season 7 or 9 better, and even 8 is still really good. The last 3 seasons they were just in the zone with the writing.


13:17 Starlight: "Youuuu go ahead.  I'll stay here."
The original idea for this episode started back in season 5, before Starlight was one of the good guys.  In the first draft of this story, Starlight's role as Twilight Sparkle's tag-along was played by Spike.

Needless to say, the original version of this scene would have been much more fitting.  ;)

That makes me wonder where Spike was now.

@Apricity "Noone cares about you, punchbag comic relief" or something, fitting with whole "Brony Drama"? I dunno, absence of certain characters with no visible reason is here all the time.


Personally I enjoyed  everything about it about this episode But I could see why some people weren't happy though.

You love watching reactions in general lmao

People weren't happy because this episode exposed them. A lot of fans took it as an offensive episode when that clearly wasn't the case.

@Grace in a way, it was meant to be offensive which I love

Some people didn't like because the truth hurts.


This was one of my favorite episodes from season 7. Loved the message.


Flawless is my top favorite mlp song. Like a reminder that even if I mess up, that's ok because no one is perfect. And that's a very important thing to learn for kids and adults alike


I love this episode so much tbh i dont get the hate some give the episode i mean you really gonna get insulted over a Kids show i mean really


YES! I totally agree. While analyzing can be interesting, this show is just one of those things where it just makes you happy and smile, or sad and cry, or inspired and excited. It hits your feelings and sometimes you just need that, plain and simple.


The song from this episode has to be one of my favorite from the series. It's message is perfect and simple to understand that people need to stop taking the show too serious. I think one of the main reasons i still watch ur reactions is well 1st off we're both military lmao and 2nd off your perspective of the show is damn near the same as mine,  I fuckin love this show and these characters and come back to watch old episodes and to this day will get a bit teary eyed .  I still find it interesting how a show that was started off as a cartoon for little girls became this amazing. I honestly wish more people in general would give it a shot and look past all the 'it's supposed to be for kids' shit. To this day one of my favorite series and will more than likely be forever.

Same here bro, same here.
This show is just something special, I recently binged the entire show and it was truly a wild ride. It took about two weeks for the ache to fade after watching The Last Problem.
FiM became my favorite animated show after that, all the different elements just come together almost perfectly and create something really unique.
On an unrelated note, it's interesting how many viewers here have been/are in the military (I have only gone through basic training during my national service, but still)

This show really is for everyone who will watch it and it will surely stand the test of time.


I love watching reactions to this episode.


(12:23) That scared the hell out of me!
(13:02) PRICELESS Twilight Face!


8:33 - .... YES. VERY YES.

13:15 - that was 100% aimed at the people who make jokes about "AJ is best background pony", LOL

8:33 - .... *YES.* _VERY_ YES.

13:15 - that was 100% aimed at the people who make jokes about "AJ is best background pony", LOL


This is a pretty good episode. Flawed in some areas. In some areas the allegory gets a little blurry. Stressed Rarity is great.

Episode with one of main focuses on flaws is flawed. Now that's some brilliant meta-writing!


The cool thing in this episode is that Toola Roola  is a reference from gen 3 of mlp.


0:06 Are you trying to make me cry this yearly? SWEET PRINCESS SUNBUTT!
2:43 And now, I guess, it's attempt for horny? Sad and horny,  Sad and horny... WHAT ARE YOU, KATAWA SHOUJO?!
5:22 NOPE!/Nuh-uh/No way!/Darling no!/*Squeak of pure cuteness and disagreement* © AJ, Pinkie, Rainbow Dash, Rarity and Fluttershy respectively *Roll the credits*
8:32 EEYUP! And lotta people hated it for that as far as I know. You know how do we call those people? You know how do we call those people.
8:44 Yep, they're dead. And their cutie marks are rock painting now.
10:21 Leave kids to talk to that exact person, who was author of lessons they hated. That's a great plan, Walter. That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch. (I'm not sure if that line is as meme as certain Russian monophonic dub tho).
10:44 Well, that little pitch did learn something from the book. RD's kryptonite!
11:15 Nothing someone could possibly hate her for based on ideology or something. Too much controversy, plus it's technically still kid's show, plus in-universe laws of... Universe? Wait, is there no distinguish between those two in English or do I miss something? I mean, that WAS the case with "blue and blue" so I wouldn't be surprise...
12:49 Right? I mean, Rarity is on the rather lower on my personal list of likable characters – even in Main 6 she's in lower three (except for Character Design on which pony Rarity is one of my favorite among ALL the franchise, including other generations and MLP:EG), but THAT KIND (ANY KIND) OF STRAIGHT UP HATE? HELL NO! She's ain't no Svengallop/Spoiled Rich. Not even at least certain Chancellor (No spoilers since you already finished series by this time).
13:11 *Eyebrow dancing in Applegeek*
13:21 Yeah, who do she think she is? Sunset Shimmer? OH SH~~~
13:33 Did she thrown up bitten apple for new one? Clever punch, Larson. Very clever.
14:17 Pretty much her main kickback (Buckback?)
14:52 You don't deserve any kind of fucking... Did I said it out loud?
17:22 Yes, and we call those people pretentious snobs © Equestr0n
17:52 Also multiply irony by infinity for M.A.LARSOOOON!
18:06 *Eyebrow dancing in MarbleMac, then drowning whole country (remember, we're talking Russia here!) in tears*
18:20 And just like that started one of the strongest song in MLP. For the very least – in terms of lyrics.
20:49 Bu--u-u-t since it's representation of Brony Community and not JUST in-world ponies, "it's not very effective".
21:57 Pinkie Pie being Pinkie Pie (with a muzzle in pie) and I'm always down for that.

I kinda disagree on the part, that you shouldn't analyze shows meant for kids. I'd argue that even those supposed to be made with due care even if average kid wouldn't catch it. To be honest, I consider best kind of kids shows are those, which you can enjoy even being adult. And if it's for those things that kids not suppose to get, but you'll like "Oh, Applebloom is in recolored Spider's glasses from Transmetropoliten! Oh, those two is from Tarantino's Classics!" and other type of adult-oriented bonuses (not limited to sexual ones) Well, any kind of media that can be enjoyable no matter what age-gender-culture_background-whatever you are, but enjoying explicit and gory things as kinds is complicated and controversial.
But then again, MLP specifically is kinda ruining itself under pressure of overanalysis, so I stop myself before it hurts too much and just enjoy the show (I really need more synonyms for "enjoy" in my vocabulary, huh?).

0:06 Are you trying to make me cry this yearly? SWEET PRINCESS SUNBUTT!
2:43 And now, I guess, it's attempt for horny? Sad and horny,  Sad and horny... WHAT ARE YOU, KATAWA SHOUJO?!
5:22 NOPE!/Nuh-uh/No way!/Darling no!/**Squeak of pure cuteness and disagreement** © AJ, Pinkie, Rainbow Dash, Rarity and Fluttershy respectively **Roll the credits**
8:32 EEYUP! And lotta people hated it for that as far as I know. You know how do we call those people? You know how do we call those people.
8:44 Yep, they're dead. And their cutie marks are rock painting now.
10:21 Leave kids to talk to that exact person, who was author of lessons they hated. That's a great plan, Walter. That's fuckin' ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a Swiss fuckin' watch. (I'm not sure if that line is as meme as certain Russian monophonic dub tho).
10:44 Well, that little pitch did learn something from the book. RD's kryptonite!
11:15 Nothing someone could possibly hate her for based on ideology or something. Too much controversy, plus it's technically still kid's show, plus in-universe laws of... Universe? Wait, is there no distinguish between those two in English or do *_I_* miss something? I mean, that WAS the case with "blue and blue" so I wouldn't be surprise...
12:49 Right? I mean, Rarity is on the rather lower on my personal list of likable characters – even in Main 6 she's in lower three (except for Character Design on which pony Rarity is one of my favorite among ALL the franchise, including other generations and MLP:EG), but THAT KIND (ANY KIND) OF STRAIGHT UP HATE? HELL NO! She's ain't no Svengallop/Spoiled Rich. Not even at least certain Chancellor (No spoilers since you already finished series by this time).
13:11 **Eyebrow dancing in Applegeek**
13:21 Yeah, who do she think she is? Sunset Shimmer? OH SH~~~
13:33 Did she thrown up bitten apple for new one? Clever punch, Larson. Very clever.
14:17 Pretty much her main kickback (Buckback?)
14:52 You don't deserve any kind of fucking... Did I said it out loud?
17:22 Yes, and we call those people pretentious snobs © Equestr0n
17:52 Also multiply irony by infinity for M.A.LARSOOOON!
18:06 **Eyebrow dancing in MarbleMac, then drowning whole country (remember, we're talking Russia here!) in tears**
18:20 And just like that started one of the strongest song in MLP. For the very least – in terms of lyrics.
20:49 Bu--u-u-t since it's representation of Brony Community and not JUST in-world ponies, "it's not very effective".
21:57 Pinkie Pie being Pinkie Pie (with a muzzle in pie) and I'm always down for that.

I kinda disagree on the part, that you shouldn't analyze shows meant for kids. I'd argue that even those supposed to be made with due care even if average kid wouldn't catch it. To be honest, I consider best kind of kids shows are those, which you can enjoy even being adult. And if it's for those things that kids not suppose to get, but you'll like "Oh, Applebloom is in recolored Spider's glasses from Transmetropoliten! Oh, those two is from Tarantino's Classics!" and other type of adult-oriented bonuses (not limited to sexual ones) Well, any kind of media that can be enjoyable no matter what age-gender-culture_background-whatever you are, but enjoying explicit and gory things as kinds is complicated and controversial.
But then again, MLP specifically is kinda ruining itself under pressure of overanalysis, so I stop myself before it hurts too much and just enjoy the show (I really need more synonyms for "enjoy" in my vocabulary, huh?).


Ah yes, this episode...also known by the alternate name "So Meta It <b>Hurts!"</b> LOL

Ah yes, this episode...also known by the alternate name "So Meta It *Hurts!"* LOL


I really like this episode cause of the song. It's one of the main reasons why I love the show, because every character is flawed but doesn't let it get to them.


6:57 Twilight: "Yeah, but the purpose of the journal isn't supposed to be marketing."

Hasbro: ...

Correct: Journal is not for *marketing*, it's marketing for "by our *journal*... AAAND WHILE YOU ON IT..."

Correct: _Journal_ is not for *marketing*, it's _marketing_ for "by our *journal*... AAAND WHILE YOU ON IT..."

I lost to youtube's formalization. Dang it!


I love this episode. Is one of my favorites of the season. Seeing the journal back is awesome. And also, one of the best songs of the show.


I love to voice my opinions on specific episodes. I like to say, "Oh, I like these episodes because of this reason," or "I don't like this episode because of this reason." I feel like that's a fine thing to do, but if you go out of your way to bash everything about a character or something like that, that's when I feel like there's a problem because the writers are trying their best, and we need to appreciate them. The whole reason we have Slice of Life is a present to the fandom, so it's clear there's no ill intent there. I feel like this episode was more focused on critics. My Little Pony will always be one of my favorite shows 🩵💛🩷🧡🤍💜


This episode is very controversial. There are many who love it and many who hate it. This was M.A. Larson's last episode and he was told to write an episode essentially criticising the fandom. He later explained that he didn't like how harshly he had to write the episode.

Some found the episode entertaining while others found it insulting. I go back and forth on it. But the song was one of the show's best!

Yeah, I guess it was a holdover from season 5 that remained intact enough that Larson still got full credit for writing it - in fact, from his interviews, I think the only thing he was unhappy about (and the only thing that was significantly changed) was the ending. IIRC, in his ending, the fans outside saw the error of their ways - in other words, a more traditional FiM ending. Me personally, I prefer the ending we ended up getting, feels more true to the flow of the episode.

But I remember a lot of fans getting excited - like, “Larson’s back? Awesome!” - myself included. But no, we learned later that he really had left the show after Amending Fences (well, depending on when this one was written for s5) in order to focus on his book.


I analyze things because I'm trying to understand myself, to understand what I like about what I like, and in the process I can deduce the formula of the product. But I will never get to the bottom of something that will spoil my impression of the series.

PS.The only thing capable of this is an agenda (no matter what), poorly and crookedly inserted, under the influence of people pretending to be fighters for rights, who care about likes on Twitter(Living in Russia, it is impossible not to hate such a fake when you hear that someone was beaten for the color of their hair).

Fortunately, ponies are devoid of these problems - there is not one stupid bald monkey there. Thanks to this, MLP is one of the few TV series that can raise issues of raсism, and, as a result, it is not harmful to joke about it.


24:26 - No, you sound like someone who has a decently clear understanding of the point of this show, and a stable grasp on his own emotions and reasons for enjoying it. :)


I'm all for dissecting media you enjoy, but then you have guys who take themselves too seriously and honestly believe critically analyzing children's media means they deserve to be treated like intellectuals.


Seeing Rarity run away crying was my favorite part


The message in this song is the best of the series.


Best outro. Couldn't said it better myself.


and there it is . . . one of the best songs


It’s not offensive if it’s all in good fun. Besides, this episode never goes out of its way to say it hates the Brony fandom, it’s just a friendly reminder that it’s a show aimed in concept at younger people, which is why it suffers from the same issues a lot of other kids cartoons suffer from. Repetitive storylines, people acting out of character occasionally, etc. I wasn’t offended by this episode. I personally thought the way they handled it was really funny.


Ah Flawless. Probably... Can I say my favorite song of the show?<br>Perhaps favorite that isn't a villain song.

Ah Flawless. Probably... Can I say my favorite song of the show?
Perhaps favorite that isn't a villain song.


24:25 - No! You are just spitting straight facts!


17:47 does anyone else think that brown and grey pony on the right looks an awful lot like soundspeed's OC? and i seem to remember him liking rainbow a lot. just saying.

Actually, Soundspeed's favorite pony was Applejack.  CobaltSky's favorite was Rainbow Dash, and I'm sure Cobalt enjoyed ribbing his fellow reactor about his OC's (accidental?) misrepresentation in the episode.  :)


4:06 Rainbow: "When I learn something, I learn it hard!"
Sex ed must have been quite the experience for young RD...

4:06 Rainbow: "When I learn something, I learn it _hard!"_
Sex ed must have been quite the experience for young RD...


You know its not exactly a representation of the fandom because AJ doesn't get that much love.  :P

It was Applegeek's defected evil clones. Probably.


This one episode, i angered some RWBY fan when this episode come out, they were being just like the fans  on the episode and said they needed to stop and watch and learn from.<br>UH boy they were pissed after that

This one episode, i angered some RWBY fan when this episode come out, they were being just like the fans  on the episode and said they needed to stop and watch and learn from.
UH boy they were pissed after that


Larson himself said he didn't want to write this episode, but wasn't really an option to not since it was a (forced) request from the Hasbro executives.

He said it's never a good idea to try to trash the fans

It was actually intended for season 5. If this episode was going to be mostly the same, I think it's a good thing that it came in season 7 instead. A lot of the things addressed in the episode were fan criticisms that were much more common back then, but had died down since season 7. I bet more people would have found this episode obnoxious if it came in season 5. Context and timing.

@FusionOmni Could you imagine if this was aired in season 4???

It would definitely cause some fireworks to go off haha.

Josh Blackwell Especially since that would’ve put it before the big fandom appreciation episode - it might have rivaled Magical Mystery Cure or Equestria Girls in terms of the shitshow it would’ve caused among the fandom, haha


Yeah I needed to learn this lesson I am only a 10 year old girl but  I still needed to, I am a HUGE Rainbow Dash she’s just so cool and I kinda look up to her but maybe I do it a bit to much and should appreciate the other mane six more

You are a HUGE Rainbow Dash? How did noone caught you on camera yet? ;)


Liquid pride count in series per episode: 15


Ah, yes...  The toxic fandom episode. XD

Ah, yes...  The toxic fandom episode. XD


4:25 They pulled a Banach-Tarski paradox.


I stopped watching after the Bloomberg episode, because Bloomberg was the peak of characters and will never be topped 😤

Fr though, completely agree with both the episode and what you're saying, I think that over analysing something like my little pony just zaps the fun out of it


Flawless is one of my favorite songs but i just wanna smack these other ponies


It’s really sad that such a good show had a fandom like this like of course it’s the all the fandom but still


Who ever the episode says it was written by is not by that person. They only got five minutes done and then rejected it. Someone else finished it and then pass on the blame when the fans outlashed at the episodes. Some fans consider this episode is the killer of the show because it was hated all around the world. If Hasbro had allowed a season 10 it would have been saved. Season 9 brought back old fans.

People hated it this much? Seriously? They’re literally proving the episode right, that’s so funnyyyyyy.


I'm pretty sure Starlight vaporized those pricks at the cafe.  XD

Unfortunately not lol. There they are at 17:41


I have to gracefully disagree.  I'm an analyzer and one of those people that have strong opinions on the show and that is disliked in general by wel, the fandom and the show itself.

Don't like Twilight quick ascention, or flurry heart, many of the episodes that have very inconsistent following of the characters or the story itself, and yeah I think this type of thinking of "Just enjoy the show and shut the fuck up" is also missing the point towards this other analysts type of fans. I can assure you that most of them/us get very angry and heated over the show because we as well love it a lot. We analysts are usually the "creative" type of personality, who aside from the sentimental value of the show and the entertainment are really into the more intelectual side and the craftsmanship of pretty much anything. Ones that create stories of our own, that have other type of enjoyment out of the show. And part of the joy is finding this "mistakes" and inconsistencies and put them back together in a more coherent way, and why not, getting angry is also part of the fun because it's stimulating. We like fantasy and are perfectionists as well, and there's nothing wrong with that either. We get angry because we want to be better ourselves and come up with even grander things to show to people, to encourage them too to make better stories themselves because we love stories.

The truth is that many of us are overly loud about it because  people in general, not just in fandoms, find no value on it, because this type of personality is often misunderstood as being too intelectual/overly sensitive to things that are supposed to not be to be thought about. As a result not many people desire to listen to it, and consecuently you get angrier and louder because that's just how it is. We are normally the loner types, the hateful ones that would like to be heard from a perspective we find fascinating and that gives us much joy which is just trying to "solve the puzzle" like dwk likes to put it.

MLP forums has a thread were you post your myers briggs personality type and it's actually quiet interesting of which there's more of. INTPs and INFPs which is the logician and the mediator, and from them the analysts and theorists are almost always INTPs which in the general population conform the smallest group out of all the personality types (3% of the general population). Is not that hard to understand that around the world being extroverted, party goer, the feeling visceral type is more valued in society and there's more of this type of personalities than the thinkers which are usually casted away for being too incomprehensible and overly complicated when you can not think about it and just let go. So how can anyone blame them. There's nothing wrong with being the intelectual type, is just that not many people give us a chance in any kind of setting nor they are interested because they don't understand it, which would be ok if it wasn't attached to being a bad trait to have, something that is out of our control because we we born that way, like how introverts are usually portraid as an undesirable trait to have until recent years. The reactions to things that we are passionate about are as expected: rolling eyes, annoyance, silencing, ignored, exactly like Rainbowdash's reaction to her interaction with Quibble but with real people, and we do notice. So we just become very lonely and become increasingly impatient with the more feeling types who effectively don't care about it.

There's value on trying to make things better. At least even if I'm a grown ass person I've always been like that since childhood and many more in are the same way growing up watching the same shows as everyone else being over analizers since always. And from my own critisisms of the shows I liked I've wrote stories and my own series (500 pages) "fixing" the problems they had when I was 14 simply trying to come up with better ideas. I still do. And since there wasn't many people to share them with they just go to the pile of worthlessnes loss of time. Entire essays with intersting things to talk about taking the show as starting point that no one cares about, not even between ourselves because we are as well intelectuals with different opinions. We mean no harm to anyone.

So i did found this episode offesive and aggressive, dismissive. And that's why I liked better "stranger than fanfiction", because it doesn't resort to the ridicule of people that are fans too. The show that you love is telling you that it hates you as well... way to go MLP, what a shallow way of thinking to hate on people... but that's expected like it always is.

I see where you are coming from and you make good points. That being said, I don’t believe the reason people don’t like what you or other analyzers do is because you’re “ignored” or “misunderstood”. It’s because most people can just accept the flaws of kids media and not have to go in depth on why said flaws are so bad when they can just take it for what it is. They don’t like having someone break that acceptance by spouting reasons why it isn’t acceptable and go out of their way trying to explain and be “intellectually superior” about it. It isn’t because you’re INFP or shy or whatever, even if there’s a trend or not. I myself an am INFJ, which is an even smaller percentage than the group you’re talking about. Almost everyone who enjoys my little pony is a shy introvert, it has nothing to do with being an analyst. And when you constantly feel the need to be “intellectual” to people who just don’t want to hear it, and, in your own words, be hateful and loud about it, it shouldn’t be a surprise that people don’t like analysts and you always come off as snobbish.

Again, I have nothing against your or any other analysts and I hope I’m not being offensive lol. I’m just giving my opinion on why this episode was well received by most people and why analysts aren’t usually enjoyed, which contradicted with your opinion.

Also thank you for stopping by my vid, I appreciate it!

@PonyBro I Guess
Thanks for reading and replying bro. I have nothing against you or anything, I like your reactions and I feel like you're a cool dude. I'm just an angry bug because i'm too perfectionist and can't handle that the world is not ok... at all... and it constantly harms itself in its confusion.

It only becomes valid criticism if said criticism is in fact valid. I agree that many many of the fans have no bases for what they argue about because they have no bases for their arguments but most of the issues addressed on this episode were later tackled in the show itself and fixed because there were actual problems with the show and it's portrayal of many things, and that was done without the drama that the MLP staff actively decided to engage into., and that of course is never a good way to try to "solve" the problem which is not even yours because ultimately you as a company will always have the last word regardless, and companies don't have any obligation to give anything to any audience legally. The only real "power" the audience has over what they get is criticism. And the only real way to get at least a good piece of content is openly saying what you think and obligate them in that way to make a good product, otherwise they can give you whatever they desire even if it's terrible. Like game of thrones.

That's why the Sonic movie was altered. because even if it's not their obligation it is in the end in their best interest too that people like what they are going to sell. And that's why this things exist. Now of course many of the demands and criticism is just bs because fans can be incredibly stupid that they themselves don't know what they are arguing about and if it's worth arguing about, but I don't understand why would you want to engage in their arguments then if they are just being pedantic like a little kid... so why... no one here acted better than the other, they both got dragged by the argument.


Also idk why the journal that they started in season 4 supposedly has an entry from the season 2 premiere but whatever I guess

I like to think that Twilight and her friends began by filling the journal with past adventures and lessons when they first started it.  From the beginning, in Castle Mane-ia, Twilight said that someday others might be able to read the journal and learn from it (as she did by reading the Journal of the Two Sisters).  It only makes sense that they would be recording everything important for posterity.


A lot of fans agree that this episode was the final nail in the coffin. They risk the movie which got some money but a lackluster and rushed season 8 didn't help. So they decided to give up on season 10. However some fans believe they were throwing in the towel too early. And the Announcement for G5 really urked a smaller part of those fans.

Just want to let you know


As a rarity hater, this episode brought a devious smile to my face.

@jae I meant what I said and I said what I meant.<br>An elephant's hateful 100%

@jae I meant what I said and I said what I meant.
An elephant's hateful 100%

@JayDeeJay <br>I mean, I admit, I do hate rarity sometimes lmao. She just cares too much about fashion, especially at worst times 🙄

@JayDeeJay
I mean, I admit, I do hate rarity sometimes lmao. She just cares too much about fashion, especially at worst times 🙄


I’m really not sure how a book could get that dusty and old looking after I guess 3 years? Maybe even less.


From an episode that is good, but overrated to essentially a pile of trash. This is basically the writers responding to (sometimes strawmanned) criticism of Season 4.

It's also the point where I caught up to the series, and the first episode I watched on the day of release.

Heck, one could and probably should argue that Fluttershy is flawless. She doesn't really have any more growth to do so including her in the song (albeit a pretty decent song) doesn't make much sense.

From an episode that is good, but overrated to essentially a pile of trash. This is basically the writers responding to (sometimes strawmanned) criticism of Season 4.

It's also the point where I caught up to the series, and the first episode I watched on the day of release.

Heck, one could and probably should argue that Fluttershy _is_ flawless. She doesn't really have any more growth to do so including her in the song (albeit a pretty decent song) doesn't make much sense.


I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with the"show for little girls". The further away from the first season, the better the "family show"is suitable for MLP. The moments deliberately created for the brony and especially the dramatic parts are too targeted.

Yeah “show for little girls” is putting gender and age restrictions on it.


19:19 official canon, Applejack is a bottom.


1:23 Hey, who ordered the Princess a la mode?

I ordered the Princess a la Maud, but nooooo, we're not doing this! Geez...


Tbh this episode kinda reminds me of the Flower fell AU-


I agree a lot with all you said after the espisode.


bronies made it ! they are in equestria !

I think someone forgot to close the portal again :q


Finally. I've been waiting for this reaction .  I was bored


Kay you can call fluttershy cute but you better not sexually harrass flutershy and I saw that episode when flutershy and angel switched bodies and I heard what you said :/


14:50 - I am not! Haters allways are bad.


Twilight didn't sing a verse, so clearly she didn't learn anything! lol

Twilight's verse was the very first one: "I never claimed to be perfect, my mistakes are all written in ink."

@Ravenscroft Raven Yes, but she didn't specify what challenges she overcame the way the others did in their verses.

@Math Beyond Zeno of Elea That's because she basically said RTFM :) (Read The Fuking Manual)  – I mean, it's all there on paper ;)

@Bon Bon It's a joke, 'cause he was saying that fans nitpick every little thing.


I still really don't like this episode, though not as much as my initial reaction.
It's not that I feel personally offended by anything, but just the fact that all the adult characters were portrayed as shallow stereotypes and only the two children characters really 'got' it in the right way.
Lots of people say this is a friendly ribbing on the fans, but they literally showed nothing good or even level-headed about them here.

Add in the fact that the main plot of the episode remains unresolved at the end and it just feels like a waste of time

I like to imagine the two children can represent the more innocent and friendly side of the fandom


OH I HATE HOW YOU ALL ARGUE I'M GONNA KILL ALL Of YOU AND PUT YOU ALL TO DEATH!


00:59 Random unidentified flying cum is random :J
01:07 In cuming indeed :J  BTW Toolaroola & Cock'n'Nut Cream are characters from gen 3 ;)
01:35 I was waiting for this particular scene, because I knew you will remember that quote ;>
03:15 Twilight's clopfic :)
03:36 Almost like mine :) I once compressed all the material from one year of electronics engineering classes on 3 × A4 pages, all with illustrations & schematics ;) 4 columns of text on each page :) When my teacher saw this, he concluded: "The notebook is for the student..." :q  Because he wasn't even able to read text that small ;D
04:25 In Human World, this is called BitTorrent :)
04:45 Cutie Marxism ;)
07:38 Looks like some Bronies started visiting equestria lately :q  Did you forget to close the portal, Princess?
08:32 Yes indeedy doodle ;>
13:13 You think that being a background pony would make them leave you alone? :q  I assure you, it wouldn't, and I'm a living walking example  :q
14:19 Where's Trenderhoof though? ;J
15:08 If somepony entered the room at this moment, those two would have a lot of explaining to do :D
16:25 That's the point, Twi: if you would never imagine what could happen, you have no intent of doing anything bad, so you cannot be blamed for that (at least not for doing that intentionally). I would rather say that they are to blame, if they misinterpreted your friendship lessons.
17:54 Thanks, M.A. Larson :D  (fun fact: he wrote both the season 3 finale and this episode, so he knew exactly what he's doing in this one ;> )
18:08 That's the question we're all asking :q
18:22 One of my favourite songs from this season :J  And it seems that Twilight took some vibes from "Equestria Girls", because this song is very in the EqG style ;> And I love the harmonies in this one :>
21:07 When awful fans argue and complain, the "original target audience" gets the friendship lesson :J
21:21 That's because you're a Harmony Brony too ;)
22:17 Nah, they're irreformable, fuk'em :q
22:33 Yup, M.A.Larson confirmed that on one convention. But he also revealed that the original script was a bit different, with more positive lesson at the end. It wasn't supposed to be roast of the fans. And I think that the original ending he revealed would indeed be much better. But as always, Hasbro chose to mess with the fans and to put the cat among the pigeons :P Apparently, they like to introduce splits in the fandom :q
24:20 You may say you're not an analyst, but right here, you ARE, and a pretty good one! :>  I applaud with all four what you said here :)  Bravo!  And that's the GOOD side of analysis. It's not about taking stuff apart and crapping on each and every detail – it's about reading between the lines, looking for deeper meaning, hidden messages, and bringing it to light, to enjoy and appreciate the show even more.

00:59 Random unidentified flying cum is random :J
01:07 In cuming indeed :J  BTW Toolaroola & Cock'n'Nut Cream are characters from gen 3 ;)
01:35 I was waiting for this particular scene, because I _knew_ you will remember that quote ;>
03:15 Twilight's clopfic :)
03:36 Almost like mine :) I once compressed all the material from one year of electronics engineering classes on 3 × A4 pages, all with illustrations & schematics ;) 4 columns of text on each page :) When my teacher saw this, he concluded: "The notebook is for the student..." :q  Because he wasn't even able to read text that small ;D
04:25 In Human World, this is called BitTorrent :)
04:45 Cutie Marxism ;)
07:38 Looks like some Bronies started visiting equestria lately :q  Did you forget to close the portal, Princess?
08:32 Yes indeedy doodle ;>
13:13 You think that being a background pony would make them leave you alone? :q  I assure you, it wouldn't, and I'm a living walking example  :q
14:19 Where's Trenderhoof though? ;J
15:08 If somepony entered the room at this moment, those two would have a lot of explaining to do :D
16:25 That's the point, Twi: if you would never imagine what could happen, you have no intent of doing anything bad, so you cannot be blamed for that (at least not for doing that intentionally). I would rather say that _they_ are to blame, if they misinterpreted your friendship lessons.
17:54 Thanks, M.A. Larson :D  (fun fact: he wrote both the season 3 finale and this episode, so he knew exactly what he's doing in this one ;> )
18:08 That's the question we're _all_ asking :q
18:22 One of my favourite songs from this season :J  And it seems that Twilight took some vibes from "Equestria Girls", because this song is very in the EqG style ;> And I love the harmonies in this one :>
21:07 When awful fans argue and complain, the "original target audience" gets the friendship lesson :J
21:21 That's because you're a Harmony Brony too ;)
22:17 Nah, they're irreformable, fuk'em :q
22:33 Yup, M.A.Larson confirmed that on one convention. But he also revealed that the original script was a bit different, with more positive lesson at the end. It wasn't supposed to be roast of the fans. And I think that the original ending he revealed would indeed be much better. But as always, Hasbro chose to mess with the fans and to put the cat among the pigeons :P Apparently, they like to introduce splits in the fandom :q
24:20 You may say you're not an analyst, but right here, you ARE, and a pretty good one! :>  I applaud with all four what you said here :)  Bravo!  And that's the GOOD side of analysis. It's not about taking stuff apart and crapping on each and every detail – it's about reading between the lines, looking for deeper meaning, hidden messages, and bringing it to light, to enjoy and appreciate the show even more.