“Cartoons for little kids can’t possibly have deep lore!”

MLP:FiM: Hold my cider

MLP FIM (along with some other shows) should prove to us all that some kids shows are just shows that are ok for kids to watch and will still be interesting to kids while also being interesting in general, to anybody!

Ah yes, cute ponies fighting evil forces and ripping the multiverse! Alternate realities definitely won't be bad...

@Princess Starlaixy Arixes MLP(All season except 8) and Winx(Season 1-4) are the best shows for “kids”

Gravity falls: listen here <b>ponies,</b> we’ve beaten up your kind before, back down.

Gravity falls: listen here *ponies,* we’ve beaten up your kind before, back down.

Gravity falls, which was at the core never really for kids: <b>hold my d&d&d board</b>

Gravity falls, which was at the core never really for kids: *hold my d&d&d board*

Transformers Prime: hold my dark energon

@Princess Starlaixy Arixes ... I'm in heaven

@JustNobody, <b>but!</b> g5 is confirmed and it’s completely cgi and looks beautiful in my opinion!

@JustNobody, *but!* g5 is confirmed and it’s completely cgi and looks beautiful in my opinion!

That's why I love them over "mature" shows.

@Craft _ Motion the friendship message and the cartoonish features can be appreciated by children, but anything more complex is for older people

MLP FİM is too complicated for young children

Technically MLP was not supposed to be for little kids


Welp, this is officially Greek mythology everybody-

Where is the Zeus in this universe banging anyone that moves?

No no, it’s gotta be 100x crazier with 20x more incest.


dear sawtooth: you should do a video talking about magical artifacts and what they do, that way you could easier know the stories behind the people that use them, and make even more theories and connections! just a suggestion. your fan, follower, and theorist in training,      - Youtube's Kitten Gamer


The weirdest thing happened the other night.

I had a dream that I was watching mlp and next to twilight, there was a door behind her and Grogar was ramming into the door and as twilight opened it, she saw grogar standing like 10 or 15 feet away from her.

That was pretty weird.

i had weird dreams too i was in a apocalpyse but it was from a strange plant and that dream was very scary for me but at the same time like a movie except that i wasnt the main character becuase i died by that plant

Ok but one question.Were you a pony or a human?


Imagine if the real Grogar showed up for real instead of Discord posing as him


last time I was this early, "Starswirl is Discord" was the most viable headcannon

@Charlotte update about your opinions on g5

@lop90ful1 what about starswirl is grogar Everyone in Equestria knows that Starswirl the Bearded is one of the most powerful ponies there is. He is a figure from pre-Equestrian times, responsible for seeking out the Alicorns, taking Luna and Celestia under his hoof, and mentoring them, coronating them into Princesses, and also for creating thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of spells, single-handedly. But what if everything we learned about him isn’t as it seems?

From the beginning, in a comic book that addresses how he acquired his signature aesthetic of a cloak and hat with bells lining them, we learn of Starswirl as an eccentric old stallion with a questionable fashion sense, But what if it was all a ruse? Who else do we know that is powerful enough to reign as the ‘father of all monsters’, bearded, and has an obsession with bells? A certain goat by the name of Grogar, that was only mentioned back in season 7, and finally given an appearance in season 9, that’s who!

What if- in the past, Grogar faced down with Gusty, who stole his bell, and at some point, with the remaining magic he had- took the appearance of a pony in order not to raise suspicions in locating its whereabouts? Think about it- with Grogar in the guise of a pony, he’d more easily be able to study pony magic. He’d be able to take on a “ponysona” under the alias of Starswirl the Bearded- a wizard with a bell motif-and forge ahead in crafting thousands of his own original spells-many of which could’ve been used to discover the Bewiitching Bell that Gusty had stolen and hid. In the episode “Luna Eclipsed”, Twilight even claims Starswirl to be “father of the amniomorphic spell”, so Grogar- altering his appearance to become a pony named Starswirl wouldn’t be too much of a stretch.

Additionally, by doing so, he would have his hooves on the Princesses, teaching them his dark ways as a “mentor”, very subtly. How did Celestia learn to use the Dark magic, back in "The Crystal Empire", to teach Twilight it? Likely through Grogar in the guise of a ponysona he created, Starswirl the Bearded. And his ways would be taught to the most powerful pony who studies magic- Twilight, trickling down from the highest position of government power. The fact that Twilight worships his false form, Starswirl, is just icing on the cake.

“But what about Limbo? If Grogar was Starswirl all along, then why did he trap himself in Limbo with the Pony of Shadows?” I can hear you guys asking.

Simply- it was intentional. Being the father of all monsters, Grogar/ Starswirl would’ve had to have had a hand in turning Stygian into the Pony of Shadows through his own actions. Once having become the Pony of Shadows, Grogar- remaining in the guise of Starswirl, would’ve same that the Pony of Shadows wanted to rule Equestria, which didn’t align with his own goals of reclaiming his position of Emperor of Evil over ponykind. So he sealed away himself-the remaining pillars, and the Pony of Shadows in Limbo, to ensure that his ‘son’ didn’t ursurp him, while also cutting off the pillars of hope and harmony from Equestria. There, he would be able to keep an eye on both threats, until the time was right for him to escape from his self imprisonment- alone. But he hadn’t accounted for any pony on the outside to free him from Limbo- along with theothers.

Now, we enter headcanon territory.......

If Starswirl was, in fact, Grogar- the father of all monsters- in disguise, then I would love to see Lyra and Bon Bon's Secret Monster Intelligence League of Equestria (S.M.I.L.E) getting involved. Perhaps we learn that they have a branch of their agency that was secretly keeping tabs on the leaders of Equestria- Celestia and Luna, under suspicion that they were in alliance with Grogar- or rather, spawns of him, with monster blood. Perhaps the populace of the three races had been wrong in assuming the alicorns were harbingers of harmony, but the entirety of their race had been magically and artificially created by Starswirl, who is Grogar. This would explain the disappearance of the other alicorns. This would explain his transformation into a pony, to learn of the pony ways and mentoring his agents of darkness and securing them in the highest seat of authority over the ponies, while he, personally sought to reclaim his original powers that Gusty had stolen from him.

If this were revealed to be true, then I could easily see Celestia and Luna's "retirement" in season 9 being a coverup (as there are many, we are told, in "Lyra and Bon Bon and the Mares from S.M.I.L.E" book, by G.M. Berrow). That is to say, the Secret Monster Intelligence League taking the Princesses- monsters in their own right- into custody- and painting it as "retirement", and setting up Twilight and her friends in their place, in order for there not to be chaos and confusion among the populace.

But what do you guys think? Could Grogar- the most powerful villain we've seen to date- Emperor of Evil and father of all monsters, actually be the most talented and powerful wizard, and father of thousands of spells, of the Pre-Equestrian age? Share your opinions in the comment section!

Twilight sparkle The princess of friendship

u mean discord became grohgar to help the mane 6 which then back fired when he summoned king sombra, cosyglow, Queen crysalis and T-reck execpt king sombra was defeated once again by the main 6 yet when the other 3 teamed up they didn't defeat them by themselves they obs had help from the other kingdoms

@Frank Calvert Exactly and this is what makes Discord was Grogar twist not that bad. Always this could end worst but still I wish Grogar was real.

@Princess Starlaixy Arixes that wouldnt make any sense for trixie to become an antagonist so it would be a bad twist

@Frank Calvert Ahh yes. But imagine what would happen if Trixie would be Grogar the whole time or Celestia.

@Princess Starlaixy Arixes yes ik but... im talking about the twist

@Frank Calvert But Grogar really existed.

uh.. dah discod said thierk chrysilas and cozy glow have the 'REAL' grogar's magic

<b>last time I was this late Discord was in control</b>

*last time I was this late Discord was in control*

i can’t wait for g5. i was pissed when they decided to continue with the mane 6 because i was all like “their legacy will live on if you let them rest in peace” but as long as hasbro is REALLY starting afresh with a new mlp backstory (they already changed the races of 3 mane ponies), i’m so pumped for g5. i expect it to be of the same, if not higher, standard as g4, because it would honestly be stupid if hasbro thought they could make dumb ass “kids’” content for the fandom. i’m excited to see what new and original backstories they’ve come up with for the new mane 6 and i’m ready to have my mind blown (still scared though).

would have been a better twist than grogar is discord


Remember how you made that theory about Twilight and Cadence being artificial alicorns and that's why they don't have flowing hair.. Twilight now has flowing hair as well😶

I feel she has gotten flowing hair cuz she is older now. It doesn't show whether Cadence has it too but I am guessing she has it as well cuz we are in the future and everyone is aging. The other five are also becoming really old cuz their hair started becoming grey.

But hey I am not the theory guy, YOU are so I guess you know what's going on😁

But why doesn't starlight look old? Isn't she the same age as twilight?

It has nothing to do with age. If you have a lot of magic in you, your hair turns wavy. The only reason twilight has wavy hair is because she got more magic from Celestia and Luna. When cozy glow turned into a alicorn, she grew 30x her size and her hair turned wavy from all the magic in the bell in that one scene. So the more magic you have, the wavier your hair will be

I think there was an old headcannon that it's not because age, it's because magic; think about it. Celestia and Luna both have blue and pink hair in actuality, in every tale, overtime their hair flows. Luna, when she comes back, is weakened from Nightmare Moon so her hair is no longer flowing and her normal blue. The magic could be what keeps them alive for SO long too, so they can keep that harmony. Hell who's to say the tree doesn't keep them alive?

Their cutiemarks are on the tree, so they are a symbol of the elements or the continuation of the pillars which lead to the elements. So they needed to stay long enough for the elements of harmony to come to be and for something to take the tree's place. No one could use the elements, besides Celestia and Luna (b4 Nightmare Moon), but then when the main six came they couldn't no more. And then when Twilight (the main symbol of their harmony) steps up she no longer grows old and her mane flows.

She just took the place of Luna and Celestia as the continuation of harmony, so has the harmonic power like they prior shared. That's my theory tho lol.

I think that is magic so that when someone becomes ruler of Equestria they have flowing hair to show uniqueness and rulership.


In your theory of discord being the spirit of Chaos balancing out the spirit of harmony wouldn’t this be the first representation of chaos versus harmony with Grogar the first representation of chaos and the tribes become the first representation of harmony  since its the first known story of the timeline wouldn’t it be fitting for it to be the start of the battle between chaos and harmony there for making it the start of the timeline

Posted by me a mounth ago on "How Discord Came To Be":

/Timeline\

Long while later, Discord pertands to be Grogar

|Discord is reformed|

Mane six save equeastra

Discord returns

Mane six save equeastra

Nightmear Moon returns

Cleastria rules alone

Nightmear Moon

Normal

Sombra

Royal sisters rule equeastra

Discord apeers and takes over equeastra

Tree of Harmony is planted

Everfree forest

Friendship fire

Windgos

Tribe's trade

Growgar's rule

Farms and pasters

Posted by me a mounth ago on "How Discord Came To Be":

/Timeline\

-Long while later, Discord pertands to be Grogar-

|Discord is reformed|
_Mane six save equeastra_
*Discord returns*
_Mane six save equeastra_
*Nightmear Moon returns*
_Cleastria rules alone_
*Nightmear Moon*
_Normal_
*Sombra*
_Royal sisters rule equeastra_
*Discord apeers and takes over equeastra*
_Tree of Harmony is planted_
*Everfree forest*
_Friendship fire_
*Windgos*
_Tribe's trade_
*Growgar's rule*

-Farms and pasters-


“My little pony”

adds communism

”OUR LITTLE PONY”

“My little pony”

*adds communism*

*”OUR LITTLE PONY”*

In america flurry heart is alicorn<br>In Soviet Russia Alicorn is flurry

In america flurry heart is alicorn
In Soviet Russia Alicorn is flurry

@DracisAnimations YT Well, fun part is what Luna pronounced same way as Moon pronounced in russian: Луна.

Данил Булатов

In mother Russia, the moon get banished to Luna for 1,000 years


My friend: says he watches mlp
Me: really?
Him: yes twilight is soo evil why does she always destroy other good people (villans)
Me:

My friend: *says he watches mlp*
Me: really?
Him: yes twilight is soo evil why does she always destroy other good people (villans)
Me:

How the heck- are they good? I mean they're only cool but they aren't good (At first)


I have a theory about grogar that he was never banished to being with, but instead that he was merged with his bell. That's why you can hear screaming Everytime the bell was activated.

I love  your mylittlepony experience ❤ ♥

I love  your mylittlepony experience ❤ ♥

@Sawtooth Waves I really love your my Little Pony experience ♥ ❤

@Cookie_wolf7898 Possibly true, we may never know for sure.

🤯 I got an idea what if he used the bell to trap rebellious ponies

and sombra was known as the king of monsters too he seemed to be labeled as a shadow pony

@Sawtooth Waves maybe the shadiw was always there after all grogar was the king of monsters and the shadow monster im sure if u put their stories together especcially if u add the pillars past story

I AM banished...Still am...But Tambelon will return! I'LL RETURN!!! And once I do, I'll do what should've been done a LONG time ago...Also, are there still humans?

@Nathania Demecillo Yeah I know, I watched that video months ago, and it was cool.

W. Samuel your comment was seen in another video

okay i heard a tone that could be perceived as a voice but I'm not convinced. If it was a voice, it's in the higher range like the pony of shadows had, not the low gruff voice you'd expect from Grogar. Very interesting though

spooky but all i remember hearing was the reverby cowbell sound. I'll have to take another listen. I henkin love the idea tho


Me: clicks “unlocking grogars true past”
* Ad starts playing *

Me: of course! Grogar is a poopsie unicorn.

Me: clicks “unlocking grogars true past”
* Ad starts playing *

Me: *of course! Grogar is a poopsie unicorn.*

And yet nopony other then us will ever know......


I decided to look up Gusty and the first thing came up was gen 1, that version of Gusty looked a lot like Gusty the Great... maybe someone could make a theory on how each generation is connect or something idk, its a fun idea at least :)


Wow....tbh that fits almost perfectly...This fills the hole that has been in Equestria's timeline for so long!!


Well... in an interview Lauren Fause basically confirmed that it was actually Celestia who aided Nightmare Moon in her escape, as she was in controll of the sun, moon and stars.


Brony Notion: I want to start posting regularly now!<br>Everyone: Everyone liked that

Brony Notion: I want to start posting regularly now!
Everyone: Everyone liked that

ITS SAWTOOTH WAVES NOW <b>the voice is fant</b>

ITS SAWTOOTH WAVES NOW *the voice is fant*

Last last the Brony Notion posted this early, there was still a series for him to post videos on.


But if discord didnt live in grogar's time how did discord know how to act and what to do? How did discord know what he truly looked and sounded like?


This is surprisingly in depth and honestly, I am impressed.   I have always been a fan of MLP but I long since stopped doing reviews of MLP.  Despite that, I will forever remain a Pegasister.   I will forever love Party Favor, Pinky, Twilight, Doctor Whooves and of course, Discord.   :}


I'm relying on their comics to answer some more questions. Already got satisfied learning about Zecora's past and that she's tied to the Elements of Harmony in her homeland.


Woah
You're the guy who got me into drawing!
Without you, I wouldn't even like drawing, and that's one of my main things now! I watched you before I even made an account!
Thank you for giving me one of the things that defines me today bro, and don't stop doing what you're doing!


I am near positive that grogars “crystal ball”  is the eye from the goat thing in griffinstone

Yeah I thought it kind of looked like an eye


Me: Loves video.
Listens to Twilight's story time
*Sees her making it up because she is flipping the pages back and forth.
Twilight sparkle is stuck on page 45 and 46

Me: Loves video.
*Listens to Twilight's story time*
*Sees her making it up because she is flipping the pages back and forth.
Twilight sparkle is stuck on page 45 and 46


I can’t  wait to watch some new theory videos. I used to watch your videos when I was like 10 and I was super excited when I saw you started posting again.

It’s honestly pretty hard to find good mlp fan video creators.
Keep being amazing!


I'm actually in the process of rewatching all MLP episodes. It's fun! I'm on season 5 rn


the second part is another point for the chaos vs harmony theory
Grogar is the chaos
the ponies are the harmony

speaking off, we can extand Discord's past, as he is older then Tirek, he knows King Vorak & when looking at the comics (the one place where King Vorak showed up) we see Discord in the background


I'm writing a fic where Twilight goes back in time to become Clover the Clever, and while I was initially hesitant about the idea in this video I came to realize that pre-equestrian history has no timeline, as it were, and can be as lengthy as we need it to be.


I absolutely love deep dives into lore like this.  I always wonder how much of this was actually intended, or if it's just headcanon for now.  And subscribed.


I'd love to see your version of the timeline all in one place!


Sawtooth waves"or should I say horsepital!"

Me"*dies laughing*"


9-year-old me: The brony notion is one of my favorite bronies! I love love love his videos and his theories are so good!! ^u^
Me now: Oh I remember this guy, I miss his videos I should watch this watches video I almost cried and I don't know why ;v;

(p.s. Thanks Brony Notion for making your videos, without you, I wouldn't have had a childhood to look back on. Thank you for making videos and making people's days better ❤)

9-year-old me: The brony notion is one of my favorite bronies! I love love love his videos and his theories are so good!! ^u^
Me now: Oh I remember this guy, I miss his videos I should watch this *watches video* I almost cried and I don't know why ;v;

(p.s. Thanks Brony Notion for making your videos, without you, I wouldn't have had a childhood to look back on. Thank you for making videos and making people's days better ❤)

Wow I think, you are right but you should review the second theory of Grogar in MLP G1

I'm so glad my videos have meant that much to you ^^


2019: Buy our toys<br>2020: CLOUDSDALE HAT


8:38
Yeah you say it’s your opinion. But I honestly think it is a fact. When Grogar was trying to take over, they all had no choice but to form an alliance with others, and defeating Grogar.
The Friendship Fire
The Two sisters
All of what Grogar did, was something they had no choice to do, other than join together to take him down. And with that, they couldn’t just say
“Soooo, that was fun. Well time for me to be lonely and never speak to any pony ever again.”
They found out that Friendship could help them through almost anything. And being with someone is better than just doing everything on your own.


When you said "if it wasn't for fuzzy hat here" I laughed for a hole hour (I'm not exaggerating)


Personally, I have been a huge fan of MLP!  Consequently, I have been doing lot's and lot's of research on MLP.  Recently I watched the season finals be aware there may be some spoilers ahead just in case you haven't seen them.  After watching them something has been really bothering me about the character Groger and yes I know Discord pretended to be him but seriously that does not mean anything to me. I found some crazy evidence that another series maybe connected to MLP and explain exactly what happened to Gorger and that series is Dragon Ball Super.  Yes, I know that you're thinking this is crazy but if you pay attention to the similarities between these characters the there is definetely a corelation!  Let me show you- a character named Moro from DBZ and MLP'S  two characters Lord Tirek and  Gorger. Moro is this new character that has been imprisoned  for a very long time he steals magic from others and is very powerful. Did you see his first appearance?  It looks exactly like Lord Tirek's first appearance!  But I don't think that Lord Tirek is Moro  to be honest.  I think that Gorger became Moro when he was banished by Star Swirl or Gusty the Great to the DBZ universe!..  This is just a theory but this could be very possible because as we know both the DBZ and MLP universes have parallel worlds in them and have the use of time travel.   This would make sense why the character Bulma made  a appearance in S5E21.  But the biggest evidence is in the Dragon Ball Super Manga where Moro say's    (" it's clear to me that no being  in this universe possesses the power to seal away my magic . How wonderful it is not to have  to fear that anymore)    I think the world that Moro is referring to Equestria where he used to be Gorger and had his powerful bell of magic stolen from him.  Now that he is banished to the DBZ universe no one know's how to stop him! .   Here I did a theory video on this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCRgZZVUrjE&t=130s


It is really nice to see one of my favourite bronies make theories again, actually I had the same idea like you about grogar kinda. But it was a little diffrent. In my theory, grogar is actually the one who made some regular ponies into three tribes by his dark magic at the first place. Sorry fir a long comment🤭😂


Gogar did make an apperence, one from very long ago. It was back in G1 of mlp. There are alot of references that call back to g1. It's where alot of the history of mlp come from. Even Gusty the great makes an apperecne in the older generations.


mlp needs to make more episodes about the backstory of all these characters, or maybe explaining the windows in the future. i rlly wanna see what starlight does in the future.


It's funny, I came back to the fandom after almost a year long hiatus after the series ended and with more determination than when mlp was ongoing :'D<br>And the theories reminded me how cool that show really was! Thank you for revealing its coolness to us :3

It's funny, I came back to the fandom after almost a year long hiatus after the series ended and with more determination than when mlp was ongoing :'D
And the theories reminded me how cool that show really was! Thank you for revealing its coolness to us :3


I like your take on how the tale of Gusty the Great could have ended. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, Sawtooth! ^_^
If Cloudsdale was around at the same time as Grogar and Gusty the Great, it must be a VERY old city. Ponyville is like a baby by comparison.
I wonder if Grogar had any minions besides his monsters. The monsters probably ran off or got rounded up, but we never hear about any servants or soldiers he might have had.


That does bring up some questions, though. If Pegasi had no contact with the ponies on the ground until after Gragar's reign, how did they survive living solely in the clouds? It's impossible to grow crops in the clouds, and during every mention of the time before Celestia and Luna, all the food came solely from Earth Ponies who learned how to grow their own food. On top of that, is Unicorns weren't always banded together, How'd they get days and nights before Celestia and Luna were even born? They made it clear that no other ponies in history were capable of moving the sun or moon alone until after Celestia and Luna came along and became the first fair rulers of Equestria.


Here’s a theory you might want to consider. It's been heavily hinted/implied that the dark magic that turned Luna into Nightmare Moon was remnants of the darkness that infused with Stygian to turn him into the Pony of Shadows. Maybe the darkness (which was apparently at least semi-sentient) had planned for some union between the two at some point. And just imagine how powerful and evil their heir would be. It might evil surpass the real Grogar.

Speaking of Grogar, we might still see the real one in show canon. The show may have ended, but there’s going to be a Season 10 in comic form (a continuation of the show that’s separate from the current MLP comic, which follows a different continuity). So the real Grogar may be villain for that, like maybe the use of his bell called to or awakened him. Or maybe he’ll appear as the villain for the upcoming 2021 movie that’s supposed to bridge Gen 4 with the upcoming Gen 5.


Thank you so much for your hardwork in every Single Video. Glad your back again


The villans say "The land that would become Equestria" so that means it's right after the three tribes moved to the now land fleeing from the windigos so either it's between them ariving there or after the friendship fire which seems likely considering they menshion cloudsdale.


I completely forgot that my little pony was originally from the 80’s. I found out that Grogar was actually a villainess character and they defeated Grogar’s POWER by ringing a huge bell then the bell on his chest thingy melted. He didn’t actually disappear, his bell did.<br>But then again, this is a completely different show. The original mlp was just based off of the toys, so I’m not too sure if looking into the 80’s show would be useful information, although it was be quite interesting.

I completely forgot that my little pony was originally from the 80’s. I found out that Grogar was actually a villainess character and they defeated Grogar’s POWER by ringing a huge bell then the bell on his chest thingy melted. He didn’t actually disappear, his bell did.
But then again, this is a completely different show. The original mlp was just based off of the toys, so I’m not too sure if looking into the 80’s show would be useful information, although it was be quite interesting.


Can I ask something? How are theorists so smart? All of the research that must go into these videos must be amazing. Anyway cool video. 😁 Keep up the good work 😊


I just got back into mlp recently :) i love your theories and really enjoy watching you videos!


me: stops watching my little pony stuff
youtube: slaps this on my recommended
me: i remember that person. i should press the dont recommend channel button.
also me: clicks video

me: *stops watching my little pony stuff*
youtube: *slaps this on my recommended*
me: i remember that person. i should press the dont recommend channel button.
also me: *clicks video*

꧁𝕎𝕠𝕝𝕗𝕪 𝔸𝕟𝕟𝕒𝕝𝕚𝕤𝕒꧂

I try to avoid this channel but I couldn’t do it today

Hi Sawtooth I just want you to know that I have theories in my channel to but they’re not about ponies read the description first.

This is me, I remember three to two years ago when I would watch these videos

Not me! I’m an MLP fan for life! 😎 (you can literally see it on my channel name! 🤣)

@Sawtooth Waves in this video you forgot that in past generations I believe grogar was mentioned earlier in the show and may hide the truth about others like terik and the smooze they were in other generations that end before equestria so they may have mentioned him more since he was a legend in that time

I stopped watching the channel for like... half a year

that is the same thing that happened to me

Mary's Trash Gacha this is the same as me 😂

But why? If you don't watch mlp stuff anymore why click on the video?

@unripe THE Berrby how is that a miracle?

I haven’t watched since season three, but I watched the final and cried and I often watch these map theory videos and map related content.

Same lel now I must continue rewatching lel

literally the same just happened to me, not even joking

I was like:

"Wait. This can't be. That's illegal."

Also me:

"I HAVE TO WATCH IT!!!"


Have you considered... In a previous video, you mentioned Grogar created the other monsters by merging different species. Perhaps, after losing his bell, Grogar saw the power the Alicorns received, and fused himself with the various "intelligent" races in Equestria to regain his former power, but backfired, creating Discord. Discord is an amalgamate of several Equestrian races, and  was able to act like Grogar a bit too convincingly, to not have been intimate with him.


Great video and wonderful theory about the real Grogar.


Coming back here after a long time and his voice has changed a bit! Our Brony Notion is grown up🥺🥺🥲😭


I watched you when I was around 6 or 7 understanding it all and as I look back as a 10 year old I realize that you really helped me when I was bullied as a younger kid.


@y do we exist no, they/them pronouns are commonly used by non-binary people (and others) as singular pronouns, as an example the word “themselve” is a word for one person yet it uses “them” (also if you check sawtooths “about page”, it specifically says their a non-binary, they/them changling)

@✨Starry—Sprinkles✨ so they're an "it"? "They" is for a group of people

@✨Starry—Sprinkles✨ this is an old comment lmao

@abner ruan this comment was made one year ago

Hmmm yes the floor seem to be made out of floor

Well I only started watching him recently so this is the voice I'm used to

i agree. he did sound a little different. maybe he is🤯


5:04 to 5:41 great continuation. You may have got Grogar’s story right.🐏 🔔😈


I just thought of something, the magical beam of light mentioned in the story looked really close to the sonic rainboom doesnt it? May not be much of a theory cause the real story was told but what if that beam of light also formed the 6 pillars? Kinda similar to the mane 6 with the sonic rainboom rainbow dash did before they met.


In the episode a flurry of emotions the story they were reading told about brogans defeat. Hope I helped. It’s the book to the hospital fillies


never would have thought that such a background story could be related to grogar in that way


<b>I kinda wish it was the real Grogor and not discord, but I still liked the plot twist. Who knows, we may see the real Grogor in the upcoming movie  :)</b>

*I kinda wish it was the real Grogor and not discord, but I still liked the plot twist. Who knows, we may see the real Grogor in the upcoming movie  :)*

@aishath rishwa the next generation isn't a continuation of fim, pretty sure it's even an entirely different world


OMG this is such an amazing and breathtaking headcanon!! 😍 I love your videos and fan theories! 😍👍


I really like your theory, it fits so well!


It sounds like we can make an actual timeline of where it all began.


Ok so I never actually watched season 9, I'm just binging Sawtooth's videos, I didn't know Grogar was Discord and the reveal made me full on scream


I've been a fan of this chanal for years and it makes me really happy that your going to try to upload more often again expressly sence you were the first brony youtuber I ever watched.

Me too and I have been watching since 2015


There's a flaw with this theory. Grogar was the "first emperor of Equestria" and Cloudsdale is an Equestrian city, so it wouldn't have been founded yet before tensions rose between the tribes. They weren't tribes at that point, they were Equestrians.


I think that's a perfect end too the story  twilight was reading it made me sit on the edge of my seat with exitment! i loved it! like if you agree!


There now needs to be a strategy game called "equestria: origins" that has you playing as the original tribes in the resistance.

Do you suppose the Pegasus military was originally Grogar's forces?


This video actually cleared up A LOT of things for me. Because I commented a TERRIBLE theory on one of your videos, but this makes me understand more on Grogar. That theory will probably be my headcanon. Thank you!


Anyone else get distracted by the pink feathers in Notion's mane?

What do they meeeaaaaan?

But in all seriousness, great video as usual, and I can't wait to see consistent uploads again

I was about to comment "Why is there feathers in your mane in this video?"<br>But I went through some of the comments first and found this

I was about to comment "Why is there feathers in your mane in this video?"
But I went through some of the comments first and found this

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Cause i said the exakt thing😂😂

TheClawsOfTheCrew they are from Yun from the anime Yona Of The Dawn

Idk Why they Are there.... But i know they Are from a Charakter from the Anime/Manga akatsuki No Yona

I don't know why he have them, but they remembered me Flurry Hearth

Tru tru<br>But that would only rlly make sense if all the others were collectively doing it at a theorist community. Or is he trying to start a trend?

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But that would only rlly make sense if all the others were collectively doing it at a theorist community. Or is he trying to start a trend?


I really like that History of Grogar's Epoch of Darkness indirectly led the original formations of the pony tribes. It would be interesting if in the future after the end of the series: Equestria faces A new challenge of a militant organization that operates outside Royal command, their purpose is to revolutionize and defend Equestria by learning and adapting with all the information being valid with no mares tales & unifying All Creatures in part of the Equestrian Guard. This equestrian Union is led by a former Royal Guardsmen who learned through all the battles at the Mane 6, there's the shoes of Celestia's plans and the fault of her leadership, plans to save Equestria in his own way while denouncing Celestia as a traitor/Failure, & televises the morality of the Mane 6 by questioning them of the choices of how the villains are dealt with in contrast to one another. With this rivalry of head-butting methods & philosophies of the Equestrian Union and the Equestrian Alliance; this could start a new Civil War within each of the kingdoms! Rise of the Equestrian Union / Equestrian Civil War.


something I was seeing also is. why does the map change so much from the brown map to the colored one? like whole areas are added to it??? like there was stuff drawn in those places before but then suddenly. poof. new huge land masses like the one to the left by that river. there is clear coast lines drawn like its been explored before then in the colored one a huge land mass is suddenly there. how did such a huge change to the land  happen? hmm wonder if that was ever talked about or explained. idk if it has.


Season 9 must be revised so that Grogar is real and the main antagonist, just as we all expected him to be.
#savemlp


my GOD did I miss you Brony Notion! This was an amazing video as <b>always</b> :)

my GOD did I miss you Brony Notion! This was an amazing video as *always* :)


there was something like this in World of warcraft's the thunder king... when he was became the first emperor of the land of panderia, he standardize weights and measurements, writing, language and math. He also made the great wall to help defend against the mantid swarms. but he made the other races into slaves to do so and wipe out any thing that was made before.


For those who don't know! Grogar was in one of the the very first My Little Pony Series! The episodes he was in are called The Return of Tambelon. Though what happens in the original and what the stories in FIM don't line up perfectly, the stories are similar. That series also took place in the "fields and pastures" that are referred to. I was happy they included Grogar in FIM even if it was actually Discord. It makes it feel like the series are connect in some way even if just by a thread. Even if the series are different universes I still think it's amazing. I would highly recommend watching the series with Grogar (even if it is a little old)


By the way it also couldn’t be marching off to war as grogar would be smart and not stop them it would be a great way to let them make their own weight on pony’s emotions and cause sadness thus putting them less able-minded for an uprise. Also redirecting their resources to the war taking a bit of time to recover. Making it so he can stay in power longer.


You want crazy? I can do crazy.
Lighting round theories/questions!

- Season Five, the lost treasure of Griffinstone, Aramasphi? A giant goat tyrant? Sound familiar? Perhaps it was a mistranslation of Grogar? After all, we’re only told about Aramasphi through Grandpa Gruff as though it’s a fairytale, and since Grogar was around a long time ago, so there was bound to be some mistranslations or creative retellings over the years. Plus, Aramaphsi could just be the names the Griffins gave Grogar at that time. And we are told from Twilight that the manual on Griffins was written a long time ago. Further evidence that this hasn’t taken place recently, Gilda denies the very existence of the Idol of Borios. I know Aramasphi dies at the end, but perhaps that was a creative interpretation to make the tale more kid-friendly, while the truth of Grogars reign is far darker. I’m probably spelling everything wrong.

- Where is that Magical Flower from Season nine, growing up is hard to do? It doesn’t have anything to do with Mistmane, does it?

- The Physcotic mind of Cozy Glow. Did you notice that CozyGlow hands down the smartest villain we’ve ever seen in MLP? Her cutie mark is literally a representation on how she can play people like a chess piece. I wonder if she was ever influenced by other con-ponies in the show...hmm... but back to her ingeniousness. You’ve already made a video on how Starlight is The most dangerous villain we’ve ever seen, well Cozy Glow is the craftiest. Not only did she dupe the Main Six, Star light and every pony around her by committing to her character so well and gaining everyone’s sympathy and friendship. Not only did she manage to go through with her evil plan right under their hooves and their noses, but she has been the first villain- EVER- to use friendship against the main six, a near impossible feat. And yet she did it. Not only that, but she’s super quick to think on her feet, using Chancellor Neighsai as a way to get rid of the Young Six and getting rid of Starlight so that she’d be the one in charge, but there was literally one thing that stopped her plan from coming to fruition, the tree of harmony and the fact that it took pity on the young six. If that had never happened, Cozy glow would’ve succeeded with her plan. Wait...what even was her plan? She gets rid of Magic, owns the school of friendship...then what? Continue to make friends with ponies until she can take over Equestria? That’s a pretty weak strategy. Then again, she would be the one with all the magic stored in one little hub, so she could technically use it to threaten ponies into submission. Regardless, I stand by my point.

- So do Scootalos parents know where Zecora is from, they might’ve been there. Then again, they’re more Australian. What even is going on with equestria anyway? The only thing the movie showed us is that beyond equestria, species other than horses can exist, except we know for a fact that Zecora isn’t from equestria, so why does the movie so heavily hint that it’s mostly different species of animals beyond equestria?? So many questions.

- Do you begin to corrode when you’re trapped in stone? I mean, Discord wasn’t in there long enough for us to find out, but we know for a fact that Crysalis, Cozy Glow and Tirek aren’t going anywhere. If so, this is probably the most brutal punishment we’ve seen from equestria. Slowly dying, nothing you can do about it. Wow Celestia and Luna, that’s pretty low.

- Ahuizodal in Season Nine, Daring Doubt, says if he loses another artefact he’d get in so much trouble with the other guardians. Is there a civilisation of them that we don’t know about? What importance do they have on the lore of Equestria?

Be careful what you wish for, there’s way more where that came from. I have so many stupid questions.


Loved the theory, Grogar was such a cool concept that we'll never get to see fully explored now...

Oh some potential theory fodder I wanted to throw out there. Why is it that only Alicorns have these evil alter forms? (excluding the comics) Nightmare Moon, DayBreaker, sort of Midnight Sparkle, and Discord infused Cozy Glow are the only times we've seen this weird alternate powerful evil form in a pony. Is there something about the way Alicorns are formed that inherently make them more vulnerable to this weird evil side, or dark magic use in general? Just an idea that could be fun to explore


When the old map fades into the new one on the left you can see that a new piece of land is forming


6:45
Maybe Grogar wanted a thing like this to happen where he would rule all he sees and everyone with bow to him but instead of it being what he wanted it became the My Little Pony series. That might have angered him to the point he tried to change it to what he wanted by freeing Nightmare moon from the moo years later.


Well, when you put it that way, I'd think more of how, when Grogar found all the strewn ponies all over the place, he found it a bit tricky to keep track of. So, he organized the ponies into three groups: earth ponies, unicorns, and pegasi. They didn't like being forced to get along with a whole bunch of strangers, even if they were the same race, so, they got resilient. At first, they only stuck with their own community members to form individual "teams" to try to take him on. Which ultimately ended in failure. Now, with all the ponies' tribal markings or clothings

Sorry that I had to cut off early, because EVERYTHING that I wrote after what you see now just disappeared completely - out of nowhere! And I don't have enough time to rewrite all that I lost before, or even try to seal it off for now until I have the time to finish it. Sorry! Maybe I can close it up next week. Until then, enjoy what I've written so far for now. Okay?


I just started watching your videos.<br>I don’t really watch mlp, but you really got me invested in the story

I just started watching your videos.
I don’t really watch mlp, but you really got me invested in the story

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Another excellent and fantastic theory vid Brony Notion i love it, like i said before your and DRWolf's theory vids are always just the greatest.


I enjoy your videos, please keep making them


Ide like to question why you didn’t use historical facts on Grogar’s presence from ‘My little pony The Return of Tambelon’ where he first appeared in MLP G1 Along with Gusty.

The wiki explains a lot of key details that sways your theory such as ‘Having determined that the bell worn around his neck was the source of his power, the rebels attempted to steal it from him using a recording of Bray's voice and a costume to lure him out of Tambelon. However, he proved too powerful, and they were forced to flee after he captured another pair of ponies’

He was later defeated by the ringing of an ancient bell that thwarted his own and ended his reign.

Other sources say the Pegasi took over this city of Grogar and reformed it into the first cloud city for Pegasus ponies...


I want you to talk about Twilight then and now, and see how she changed during the show! Also her flowing mane. But you don’t have to, :3


While I would like to believe this, as this is a very well written idea of what Equestrian history looked like.

There is also another fact that has plagued me for quite some time, and that is the story of Hearth's Warming Eve. Which is also the story described by ponies in the show as the "Founding of Equestria" and the characters in it the "Original Founders".

So here's my beef, in the story it is described that ponies migrated from the North down into Equestria following Windigo shenanigans. Now, the ponies described in the story are far from the ponies described in Tirek's sentence. For starters, the Pegasi, Unicorns, and Earth Ponies seemed to be organized, living with connection to one another for trade and cooperation.

But how did Grogar's reign occurred, if the ponies haven't even migrated to Equestria yet?

Because from what I assumed, either Equestria's borders were much smaller and different from present Equestria then, or the North wasn't always plagued by snow, and only became that way after the ponies abandoned it to the Windigos, who I suspect are somewhat responsible for this never ending winter.

So this leaves me with 2 conclusions. Grogar's reign occurred after the founding of Equestria, and Tirek's description of Equestria then can be contributed to a relatively newly budding nation, seen by foreign powers as nothing more than a land filled with scattered farmers and pastures.

Another fact that contributes to this theory, is the Gusty the Great story Twilight was reading. In it, specifically states there is a city called Cloudsdale. Either Cloudsdale has always existed for the Pegasi, or this is the same Cloudsdale as our current one, which is located smack dab in Central Equestria. But an understandable counter to this would be that Cloudsdale simply moved over the ages, as it has been proven to do.

As for my second conclusion, well, the Hearth's Warming tale is bull, well maybe not entirely, but certain elements of the story may have been retrofitted to a fit a more modern audience, as this story has been proven to have different interpretation across different families in Equestria. Kind of like any good ole folk tale, but even folk tale have some truth to it, like the Windigo's existence and Nightmare Moon's return.

This would explain the inconsistent timeline and would put Grogar's reign as you described prior to the founding of Equestria.


Please don’t stop making MLP videos. There are still quite a few unanswered questions.


Sawtooth, I stopped watching mlp around season 5-7, so all of this is new to me, thank you for making these videos so I can find out some of the stuff that i have unfortunately missed


A question we all have: will sawtooth ever learn flurry hearts name? 😂


Hey Brony Notion, i looked up grogar on google and i think you might want to take a look. maybe this could give you some help on grogar and his past? It might be also important on the past story of  what you said for pony kind and he was the cause of this? Maybe in that other mlp show the story you just told us was actually true and happened in that alternate mlp cartoon


I have a whole AU kinda thing, with OCs and stuff. I kinda took inspiration, from the Alicorn Civilization theory. Let me explain

Celestia falls sick, but Luna and Twilight both know, neither of them are fit to rule, if Celestia passes. Twilight being too busy, on her adventures and Luna still not being trusted by Equestria. It seems as if, they had no hope, and once Celestia does pass, Equestia is claiming they're doomed.

On the outskirts of Equestria, a civilization falls to ruins, due to a giant creature of dark magic, swallowing this city of Alicorns. Two twin sisters escape, Moonlight Stream and Blazefire. One extremely skilled in flying and military (BlazeFire) and one powerful in any magic you throw at her (Moonlight). They run from their crumbled city, right into the still mourning Equestria.

They wander into Ponyville, meeting Twilight on complete accident. She is astonished by these two Alicorns, that she's never even heard mentioned. She immediately brings them to Canderlot, due to this being a huge break in their problems. Rarity, Rainbow Dash, and Spike are all EXTREMELY suspicious of  these Alicorns, that practically fell out of the sky. After years of keeping these ponies secret, from the world, they are finally 'ready' and one of them will rule Equestria in Celestia's place, which is temporary. Blazefire was selfish and quite cruel, during their 'training', while Moonlight just let her sister push her around, yet did snap at some points to tell her off, if Blazefire insulted Luna or Twilight in any way.

The choice was uncertain, of course, but Moonlight was crowned temporary Princess of Equestria, leaving an angry Blazefire to lash out, at the coronation. Luna, Twilight, and Moonlight step in, and in the end, Moonlight is forced to strip her sister of her horn and magic, and banish her to the crumbling buildings of their past home.

That's only a tiny portion ! I hope you like the idea.


Even though I’m a year late watching this... I just wanna say, I am open for any theories and collabs with you. I am available 24/7 after school


There is a spot you missed there: FlurryHeart!
"the birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen".
Think about that for a moment.
Grogar is "Father of monsters", As King Sombra calls him.
He "gave life to the fawlest of creatures and allowed them to run wild... " and then "The rest of my rein was a glorious fear soaked epoch of darkness in Equestria"
That rings a bell, doesn't it?!
The same bell that made CozyGlow into an Alicorn as well. It has been done so before, creating not one but two alicorn sisters:
Nightmare Moon and DayBreaker were Grogar's creations before reformed into Celestia and Luna!
(there may also be a draconicus among his creations as well, one who really miss his father's bell)


I have a feeling discord felt bad for all the villains so he stepped into grogar,s shoes and encouraged the villains  to go out for revenge wisely


I would love a theory on how Celestia and Luna became princesses. Kind of like a chronology video. If the theory that a pony earns their princesshood by creating a new kind of magic is true, I would love to hear what you think about what kind of magic Celestia and Luna created. I’d also like to hear your thoughts on the royal sisters after the epilogue. Did they leave Equestria all together? Will they ever die? Did they lose their immortality now that they don’t have responsibilities for Equestria?


I really wanted the real grogar to appear in the show


Whoa... wait, the finale was half a year ago?! I really have been gone too long... it's awesome you're still posting more videos, though!!


I see videos about unraveling deep obscure lore of ancient times of a show about little ponies, and I love it!


eeek this makes me sooo happy that you are continuing and ive also wanted to fill in the empty spaces in the history of equestria XD not that gen 4 ended


I. Haven’t. Been. Here. In. Years.

Maybe I’ll reintroduce mlp into my life. It was fun.


Hi, I just realized something. What if Discord really was Grogar! What if Gusty the Great took his bell away and the turned him in a being that combines different  species for creating other creatures like the bugbear. This would also fit into the timeline because maybe he was very weakend and so he attaked after Star Swirl and the Pillars were gone because he thought Celestia and Luna weren't a real threat to him. I thought maybe you found this interesting.🙂


Grogar is hooves-down my favorite villain in MLP:FIM. My OC has a history with the dark emperor. Also, here’s a question for you: if Grogar was the Father of Monsters and used them as his main military force, why didn’t he bring an army of them to fight Gusty’s rebel forces? They’d be too preoccupied fighting his nightmarish hordes to hold him down long enough for her to take Grogar’s Bewitching Bell.


Is anyone considering the fact that if Gusty The Great banished Grogar as a star constellation, that would have been one thousand years ago. And Celestia banished Luna in the moon  thousand years ago, and Luna returned... Grogar should have returned as well. That never happened. And since Grogar is evil, Discord would have freed him, because Discord was around in that time. Grogar was banished before Discord was turned into stone the first time. So Gusty The Great must have cast a spell on Grogar to make him disappear for one thousand years, or something related to that.
P.S: I've watched My Little Pony over and over, so I figured out some things.😉
Sorry for the long comment, just sharing my thoughts.😁😉


the equestrian flag was based on Luna and Celestia. Now that Twilight is the sole ruler, would the flag change too?


I seem to recall discord making an offhand comment on Tirek's "daddy issues" during the finale. Maybe Notion could do a video on that next.

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Gilbert James Salud bowling? Haha sure me you and notion 🎳

KingRaikou yeah it’s a thing in the comics as far as I know, but like they can’t just leave us hanging like that

That felt like a tease. I wish the show had gone into Tirek's background earlier in Season 9, rather than just having a namedrop of his father near the very end.

@Sawtooth Waves hey Brony Notion let's go bolling.


A year later g5's debut.<br>Honestly with all of Argyl's research, and books that can easily be accessed by sunny, who's to say what we will learn from gen 5 about gen 4? Heck this might have been Hasbro's plan during 2019, when they knew they wouldn't have had the time to go into detail, they could have thought: hey we have a whole new generation coming out in 2 years, let's just wait to explain some stuff then. Honestly we could get way more info about g4 in g5 then we ever got in g4, because it could be research that the mane 5 are doing. So sorry sawtooth more of your theories can still get de bunked.

A year later g5's debut.
Honestly with all of Argyl's research, and books that can easily be accessed by sunny, who's to say what we will learn from gen 5 about gen 4? Heck this might have been Hasbro's plan during 2019, when they knew they wouldn't have had the time to go into detail, they could have thought: hey we have a whole new generation coming out in 2 years, let's just wait to explain some stuff then. Honestly we could get way more info about g4 in g5 then we ever got in g4, because it could be research that the mane 5 are doing. So sorry sawtooth more of your theories can still get de bunked.


I THINK it was confirmed Celestia let her own sister out of the moon banishment (don't quote me on that though); regardless, I don't care, because I hope the kind of thought you put into this stuff goes into G5. Looking forward to that, and hope you keep on keeping on in terms of these videos. I'm hopeful that the writers of G5 are inspired by your thought process (or at least think like you), because it would make for some fantastic world building and entertainment. Awesome stuff Sawtooth, glad you're still with it.


"No more debunked theories"
Sunny: I'm gonna stop you right there

"No more debunked theories"
Sunny: *I'm gonna stop you right there*


Grogar's name spelled backwards is ragorg thought I might mention that


I would love a closure series to FiM cuz I didn’t really like the finale all that much


After he was defeated, I think Grogar retreated to try to build a biggar, scarier, army. He used a special ritual to summon a deity to turn ceramic figures into full sized living creatures. That deity was Discord. When the ritual was disrupted, probably by Dusty, Grogar ended up taking Discord's place in the zodiac, and he will be stuck there till someone takes HIS place.


@Brony Notion, I think I can add one to the support of your theory which may have been said...do you recall Discord’s actually wording to the princesses and main six for doing the Grogar disguise but how is also messed it up. He very clearly said that if Princess Twilight could over come the joined forces of Evil then there is nothing to worry about becoming the next Princess of Equestria! You Theory even has a near match pattern as to how Twilight and the Gang defeated the latest villains after there was divide. What will even wet ones curiosity is that you stated that tribes formed after Grogar but we still do not know when the first unison of the Ponies came together under one authority? If there is one thing I am unsure of what you made to be assumed is that yes Grogar was there at the beginning of EQUESTRIA but the ponies three types of ponies only came later to claim the land, hence the windigoes and the conflict of amongst races. No my thought is Grogar’s defeat only came in after that period land claiming amongst the races or as you out tribes. Why...?! because some time Cloudsdale has to have been build and that is way earlier than the struggle for land control. If anything cloudsdale is like a Roman skyfort that logic stays can move but now exists on one place. If anything scattered farms where the earth ponies and the unicorns only came in after... do you see the issue here...the story of land claiming shows is that all races equally came to be at the same time. New search’s for land had to be the reason. Some settlements may have existed we still don’t know what happens to the original Alicorns if any but that war against Grogar has to have sparked a new monarch of royals and since was a unicorn may have married into the Pegasus. Princess Cadences origin as an alicorn is never properly explain. Still I would fish for more time line theories to properly explain. Yet I still think that this is a good theory.


The thing is... grogar could be been turned into discord and he could've lost his memories instead of inpersinating. So it was like a past life to him. Which his magic was changed but he still was able to have the magic. Just not use it as it is now foreign to him. I hope this makes sense.


In my headcanon, Grogar is the Emperor Palpatine of Equestria. Tell me, does that add up to you? If so, explain to me how.

it's funny you mention that xD I was gonna make a palpatine reference in an upcoming video


That makes a lot of sense. The time line of Grogar.


My theory is that Discord was actually a pony long time ago. Grey colored pony named Bray, Grogars minion and servant. After being feed up with Grogar, Bray secretly used The Bewitching Bell, took all of the magic within it and then fled.


Theory- Do you think the first ponies wear like Zecora (idk how to spell it) and were “native”??? Cause Zecora has a different appearance!!! I’m really proud of this haha


Maybe If Grogar Was In The Stars, By The Time He Was Freed, He Reformed And Has Isolated Himself To Not Cause More Damage To The World.

Ah...I don't think so...I'm not even out of this place yet, I don't even know what happened to Ponyland while I'm gone...Is Ponyland still standing?


YASS! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAYBE GETTING BACK TO REGULAR POSTING! I absolutely love your theory’s and they are so exciting to me!


you starting to post again is the reason i rewatched the earlier seasons and finally watched the new ones and it’s unlocked the door back to my childhood so thank you


Lauren Faust said that Celestia controls the stars, when asked how the stars aided in Nightmare Moon's escape.


So your saying the story is pretty much like this:

A long time ago there was a powerful beast named grogar who found a land of pasture and farms then declare himself the emperor of what he saw grogar created monsters to spread darkness and fear the ponies living in there started forming their tribes to fight grogar each tribe has its on plans until a brave young unicorn named gusty convince the unicorns to teamed up with other tribes and first tried to convinced the pegasi city by going there on hoof to offer alliance grogar seeing this wanted to prevent the unicorns from going to the pegasi city because he knew that one tribe has great magic already and if three tribes combined the magic of their unity may be able to defeat him so he fought the unicorn warriors the unicorns warriors form a rainbow form that weave into one and shrine down but grogar is still unbeatable the Pegasus see the fight and help the unicorn warriors, the unicorn warriors hearing wings flapping seeing the pegasi wanting to help filled them with hope, gusty sees a talisman that is on grogar 's neck and told the others to attack with their full might, grogar a little weakeand by the attack give gusty the opportunity to grab the bell containing his power, weakeand due to not having his bell gusty banished him into the stars and keep the bell in the mount everhoof with a protection spell, together the pegasi and  unicorns met up with the earth ponies and form their deal although the relationship was unstable, this was the first allieance between the three tribes


I like how you portrayed Twilight continuing to tell her story to the foals and just letting Flurry kick and scream on the floor. XD


Interesting, but ponies first entered what would become Equestria in response to the first near destruction caused by the Windigos. While it could be that the reappearance is what totally united the tribes that reappearance would have had to have happened within two generations so the correlation could be made. We could suppose, however, that ponykind unknowingly entered Grogar's domain but he was too busy lording over all the other creatures to take much notice and smacking them down when they did resist.

Unfortunately the writers had a tendency to cluster nearly everything around " a thousand years ago" meaning that, if we take Evey line as immutable, as Starswirl sent Clover the clever out on the events leading to the first Hearthswarming all of equestrian history from just prior to the end of the warring tribes period to the return of Nightmare Moon spans no more than 1100 years!
But, if we play a little loose with stated time frames (and really, as aired timeline there does not seem to be enough time between Discord's defeat and Nightmare Moon for Luna to have grown that bitter) while assuming in Twilight's play on Hearthswarming it was a little fangirl insertion that Starswirl was Clover's mentor we can stretch things out to fit better.

Anyway.... perhaps the first unification already happened, but at this time the three tribes were still separate but living more or less in peace with mutual aid pacts in place but not yet a single entity. We can't know if resistance to Grogar was happening or proposed by Gusty but in either case flight was not an option to reach the Pegisi and teleporting would have drawn unwanted attention, so on foot it must have been.
I also don't think the war ended on the mountain path to Cloudsdale (and none such seems to exist today). But, rather that incident ended in defeat, the mountain being destroyed and the great cloud city sent adrift. But in exerting such great magic Grogar needed to call upon his bell thus revealing the source of his power and so the now retreating but united armies of the Pegisi and Unicorns made for Earth Pony lands with a plan.
It then goes more or less as described in the video, We move from the Allied Tribes of Equestria to the Confederated Tribes of Equestria and begin the monster wars as well as a period of expansion where the Griphon Kingdom is contacted and integrated along with many other Equid societies (hence why frequent summits are held, Celestia is often meeting other royal deligations, and Harshwhiny mentions meeting with various royal titles) . But these are other stories (including the lost genealogy of Cadence and why it is her right to rule the Crystal Empire).


hey! can you make another video about Equestrian time? now that the series ended, we have more evidence. as said in the last episode, the council of friendship meets once a moon. according to your calculation from the video you posted 5 years ago, a moon is about as long as a week. but it seems unrealistic for a group of friends who live so far away from each other to meet on weekly basis. not saying it's impossible- after all most of them were teachers while already having a full time job but still. Also, we know that monthes exist, as a synonym for moon or not- "three months of winter coolness and awesome holidays" (winter wrap up). I would also love to know how they count years- like the year now is 2020 or 5780 by judaism. what their year is in the first episode? and in the last one?

רוני בן עזרא


Coming back to this I've just realized how structured the mlp storyline actually is, like holy shit there's actually lore??? And the history is actually well thought out??? To my mom this is a kids TV show, what happened to thoughtless cartoons you say, nah we don't do that here-


I have a theory that Discord is actually Grogar. He’s just no longer evil, he’s lived long enough to go from pure evil, to bored chaos causer, to no longer wanting to be evil because it doesn’t benefit him. Discord is the creature with the most power naturally, and is able to create life out of thin air. He’s also not Equestrian.


The joke is that he started taking such long breaks in-between videos that when he uploads again, his fans celebrate that he is "still alive"


Further supporting this (kind of) - Grogar stressed to the villains he brought back that he KNEW friendship was a powerful source to be reckoned with. That would make sense if he learned from experience, seen first hand how the united tribes could take him down<br>And yes, I know it was Discord disguised as Grogar who said this, but we assume Discord wanted to do an accurate portrayal of Grogar. Thus, he acted the way he thought Grogar would act

Further supporting this (kind of) - Grogar stressed to the villains he brought back that he KNEW friendship was a powerful source to be reckoned with. That would make sense if he learned from experience, seen first hand how the united tribes could take him down
And yes, I know it was Discord disguised as Grogar who said this, but we assume Discord wanted to do an accurate portrayal of Grogar. Thus, he acted the way he thought Grogar would act


Wait a minute,<br>What if Grogar made the windigos to Tare the tribes a part so he could take over each tribe with out the other tribes trying to help.

Wait a minute,
What if Grogar made the windigos to Tare the tribes a part so he could take over each tribe with out the other tribes trying to help.


strangely i had a theory that the 1 eyed goat monster that attacked griffenstone long ago might be<br>grogar but in a more primal state, forgeting who he is and what he his

strangely i had a theory that the 1 eyed goat monster that attacked griffenstone long ago might be
grogar but in a more primal state, forgeting who he is and what he his


This reminds me of the 'chasm of revolution' problem in empires.  If you want to extract wealth from your empire, you either need to have some natural resource you can extract and trade to outside, or start providing infrastructure and services to your citizens so that they become more prosperous and thus generate wealth.  If they are prosperous enough, revolution isn't worth it, but if you only give them some resources and some infrastructure, they often get organized/wealthy/educated enough to revolt.

So it could be that they did not organize in order to oppose them, but he organized them in order to have something worth ruling, but that prosperity also funded their revolution.

This reminds me of the 'chasm of revolution' problem in empires.  If you want to extract wealth from your empire, you either need to have some natural resource you can extract and trade to outside, or start providing infrastructure and services to your citizens so that they become more prosperous and thus generate wealth.  If they are prosperous enough, revolution isn't worth it, but if you only give them _some_ resources and _some_ infrastructure, they often get organized/wealthy/educated enough to revolt.

So it could be that they did not organize in order to oppose them, but he organized them in order to have something worth ruling, but that prosperity also funded their revolution.


According to an official word from miss Loren Faust:    Celestia herself freed her own sister from the moon, not Grogar.


In the season nine premiere The Beginning of the End - Part 1, Grogar is revealed to be real when he summons Queen Chrysalis, Lord Tirek, Cozy Glow, and King Sombra to his underground lair. As the villains explain to Cozy Glow, who is unfamiliar with Grogar, he is a legendary tyrant who once declared himself emperor of a young Equestria, creating foul monsters to wreak havoc across the land until Gusty the Great took his mystical bell and banished him, leaving him weakened.

Having spent the past millennia recovering his strength and observing his fellow villains' defeats, Grogar proposes that they work together to overcome the Mane Six and conquer Equestria. When Sombra objects to this alliance, Grogar makes a proposition: he can either retake the Crystal Empire on his own, or inevitably fail and suffer the consequences if he still refuses to submit. In Part 2, Grogar witnesses Sombra's demise at the Mane Six's hands from his crystal ball, which he shows to the other villains as a warning to secure their loyalty to him.

Gusty steals the Bewitching Bell S9E8

Gusty the Great stealing Grogar's bell.

In Frenemies, Grogar seeks to recover his stolen Bewitching Bell, and sets out on a mission to locate it while ordering his allies to learn to cooperate. Upon returning, he finds that they have not done so, and decides to send them to recover the bell from Mt. Everhoof, believing that none of them will be able to make the trek alone. Upon their return he is pleased that they have become a team, but frustrated by their apparent failure to retrieve the bell, unaware that they did retrieve it and have concealed it from him.

In The Summer Sun Setback, Grogar leaves his lair to search for another source of power to defeat Twilight and her friends, still believing his allies failed to retrieve the Bewitching Bell. While he is gone, his allies sneak into the Canterlot Archives and steal a book so they can gain information on how to use the Bewitching Bell themselves. When Grogar returns, he revealed to them that he has successfully located a new source of power and will set out the next day to retrieve it. After he leaves, his allies plan to unlock the power of the Bewitching Bell soon before he returns again.
EDIT: ty for 9 likes!


other unsolved questions:
WHEN did Twilight become an alpha alicorn?
WHERE did Celestia and Luna go?


With the fact they hyped Grogar up as the 'Father Of Monsters', that he was super powerful and that he existed long before equestria to the point of him  being a legend during Tirek's time... I really wanted them to reveal him to be the one who created Discord. Discord, the ultimate 'monster' who has now become a hero and who seemed insistent on teaching Equestria, and the mane six especially, how to win without his power. My theory was that Grogar would grow in power and eventually reveal himself, with the reveal of Discord's past and his loyalty to the mane six being the final arc of his character. Him defending his friends against his potentially abusive 'father' but showing obvious fear towards him? Him being afraid and belittled by Grogar for becoming weak, something that would have a deep affect on him? Letting us and the mane six finally see who he was before he took over Equestria: a scared, abused child whose only mentor and possibly closest thing he had to a 'friend' saw him as a magical accident gone wrong? What if he took a near-fatal shot from Grogar for the mane six, but unlike with Sombra, he knew he might not have survived but needed them to know they could fight without him before he took the risk. Or if he managed to overpower Grogar and was the only thing that could help the mane six defeat him? How powerful would that have been?


perhaps there were more chapters to that book. on their way, they failed, beaten by Grogar- They then looked for the earth ponies, and asked for their aid in the fight- and the Pegasi- who saw the scuffle nearby, came to help too.

or yea. The other theory hits too.


Yo when I found out the ending I was shocked. And kinda disappointed that it wasn’t something cooler.

No the biggest disappointment was that we didn’t get nearly enough discord :)


With the new generation, I feel like Sawtooths work is gonna be debunked Atleast once


Yeah I'm going to have to meet up with my sis and watch the last two seasons of MLP. Still is good hearing your theories of stuff you disappeared for quite a while


Is there a way that ever since Twilight became queen of equestia that many wars started to get other species of mystical creatures together?

Like there had to be to join a different breed. Like Unicorn and Pegasi are horses but added features to them, and does a dragon have anything related to a horse or not?? Besides flight and magic..

Edit: I sound stupid😞😅


I have a theory that when Grogar was a dictator, he tried forming armies from the  ponies of the land, which is how they ended up as tribes. But he was overthrown, sooooooooo


I may know where you can find something! :D

I found an episode of (G3, G2, G1 idk) that showed the ponies against Grogar and one of them realized his bell was magical so that was their target

Pls look back on older generations! There is probably a crap tonne more of backstory there! Like so he can see this!!!

@Autum Breeze I can't find a platform to watch it on -_-

I think it was in "The Return of Tambelon" (G1)

@Autum Breeze i watch THE WHOLE episode :3

Not to mention G1 is way freaking darker than you'd think since it was LITERALLY just a show for little Girls to promote toys.

But watching it back nowadays, stories, actions and implications are so freaking dark I'm surprised little Girls didn't become emotionally scarred for life by G1


I've been watching since before, your... haitus? Break? Whatever you want to call it, I enjoy watching your theories and pop in everytime I see a new video. :) i hope you can find a schediling time you enjoy.

Also, I have a theory about Grogars effect on early pony civilization, but its kind of lengthy. So thats gonna need to wait until, I am not on my phone to write it out.


I love your channel and I wish I had patron because I would definitely would support you please don’t ever stop making videos!!!


I stand by your Grogar theory, it's very good and believable. And Lauren Faust's tweet: the "and the stars" bothers me... That's the only part really!

I don't want to downplay Mrs. Faust's ideas and lovely creativity... And I know maybe soon I won't be as ~salty~ about what I "don't like" about it...
However hey, the rest of it and the theory, combined into one thing, would be a great story point tbh! :D just thought of that

The Sun, the Moon and (at least one group of) the Stars: and the stars letting Luna out, Celestia knowing this, but doing nothing because she wanted her sister back that much.
What else could he do anyway. He can't get out anytime soon right?... right?...

Sorry if I rambled. Plus this might just be my own opinion :(

I stand by your Grogar theory, it's very good and believable. And Lauren Faust's tweet: the "and the stars" bothers me... That's the only part really!

I don't want to downplay Mrs. Faust's ideas and lovely creativity... And I know maybe soon I won't be as ~salty~ about what I "don't like" about it...
However hey, the rest of it and the theory, combined into one thing, would be a great story point tbh! :D just thought of that

The Sun, the Moon and (at least one group of) the Stars: and the stars letting Luna out, Celestia knowing this, but doing nothing because she wanted her sister *back that much.*
What else could he do anyway. He can't get out anytime soon right?... right?...

Sorry if I rambled. Plus this might just be my own opinion :(


@ Sawtooth Wave I love your videos a lot and I am curious to know if you have seen the Grogar: a hearth’s warming horror story and Apple Valley: a hearth’s warming horror story done by Scribbler productions. If so what did you think?


A good first (?) post for 2020, especially since MLP is out and everything is done (besides the comics). Plus honestly I think there's definitely still a lot of stuff to explore about Grogar and the other lore MLP hasn't fully revealed. ^^
Although I think Lauren Faust lately insisted that Celestia knew or caused Nightmare Moon's escape based on her quote of knowing Twilight would save the day, but that can be taken with a grain of salt probably since the show has changed a lot since then.

A good first (?) post for 2020, especially since MLP is out and everything is done (besides the comics). Plus honestly I think there's definitely still a lot of stuff to explore about Grogar and the other lore MLP hasn't _fully_ revealed. ^^
Although I think Lauren Faust lately insisted that Celestia knew or caused Nightmare Moon's escape based on her quote of knowing Twilight would save the day, but that can be taken with a grain of salt probably since the show has changed a lot since then.

The true last season will be in the comics in the form of season 10, so perhas they might deliver where the show did not(especially as the premiere is said to explore the importance of Twilight's role now and what that means for the group)


Grogar was in the earlier generations, like gen 1 or 2 or something. You should take some time to watch those other gens before mlp; friendship is magic came!


6:50 I thought his quote was just a cheeky reference to G1 (the last time we saw Grogar), and was half-expecting this video to suddenly turn into a crossover theory.


Question: how would the tribes forming and all that theory tie in with Clestia and Luna becoming the rulers of Equestria, and where would, if there is one, the alicorn civilization be. And don't forget that if there was, that the alicorns could've heard about what happened with Grogar's claimed territories and the forming tribes.

So this raises a theory that I just came up with: that a unicorn pony and a pegasus pony fell in love and had Celestia and Luna. Work in progress theory, obviously, but still wanted to point a few things out.

I also used to watch your videos, and still do, and your theories are awesome and I love them and I love you!! 💖


“There are six alicorn princesses in Equestria”<br>Step aside, Princess of Merchandise. We now have Princess Ponified, Gender-bent Artemis Fowl.

“There are six alicorn princesses in Equestria”
Step aside, Princess of Merchandise. We now have Princess Ponified, Gender-bent Artemis Fowl.


So you're not dead? Welp, there goes my headcanon😐😑

Jk, I missed you!😊


6:36 I thought he was going to say the ponies were grogars first monsters like he started adding pieces of horses birds and so on


<b>or</b> instead of strewed out ponies specifically finding others of their kind and forming 3 specifically segregated tribes, what if Grogar forced them to? Why would Every Single Unicorn and Every Single Earth Pony and Every Single Pegasi decide to go find others like them instead of just joining together with those closest to them? Maybe the collaboration between the 3 tribes was organized by Grogar, including the fact that Pegasi were mostly military (say he wanted to use them to conquer other lands)?

*or* instead of strewed out ponies specifically finding others of their kind and forming 3 specifically segregated tribes, what if Grogar forced them to? Why would Every Single Unicorn and Every Single Earth Pony and Every Single Pegasi decide to go find others like them instead of just joining together with those closest to them? Maybe the collaboration between the 3 tribes was organized by Grogar, including the fact that Pegasi were mostly military (say he wanted to use them to conquer other lands)?


My headcanon that answers everything and raises more questions at the same time: <b>Grogar created Celestia and Luna</b>

My headcanon that answers everything and raises more questions at the same time: *Grogar created Celestia and Luna*


Although "The land that would become Equestria was nothing but a bunch of farms and pastures"
Could just be hyperbole. Tirek could just be saying that the recently organized conglomeration of ponies just after the first Hearth's Warming was disorganized and hadn't reached its potential, yet.
They hadn't established a real government, yet, because they had only just decided not to hate each other. He might've seen this as an opportunity, and took control of the ponies. They'd just moved to a new land, they just got through the second magical winter in a short time, and they were only just starting to form a tentative bond that was likely still fragile. There were no cities, yet, because they'd only just arrived. It would likely look like "nothing but a bunch of farms and pastures".

Although "The land that would become Equestria was nothing but a bunch of farms and pastures"
*_Could_* just be hyperbole. Tirek could just be saying that the recently organized conglomeration of ponies just after the first Hearth's Warming was disorganized and hadn't reached its potential, yet.
They hadn't established a real government, yet, because they had only _just_ decided not to hate each other. He might've seen this as an opportunity, and took control of the ponies. They'd just moved to a new land, they just got through the second magical winter in a short time, and they were only just starting to form a tentative bond that was likely still fragile. There were no cities, yet, because they'd only just arrived. It would likely look like "nothing but a bunch of farms and pastures".


Brony Notion: Grogar set NMM free!
Loren Faust: T'was Tia

Also, welcome back, I've been missing your content.

*Brony Notion:* Grogar set NMM free!
*Loren Faust:* T'was Tia

Also, welcome back, I've been missing your content.

No, it was Might Nare Noon, evil and Tia mixed :)


What if Grogar didn't work alone?
besides Tirek, Chrysalis, Sombra, and Cozy Glow but
with other emperors?!

I'm getting Ancient Aliens vibes!!! xD


brony called flurry heart three different names during the vid

.......

the hate he feels for that one tiny pony princess is unmeasurable


Now that I think about it, Grogar is pretty much the only villain in G4 that didn't escape. Unless...

What if he might be hiding during Gen 4 up to Gen 5?

Cause that could explain why the tribes split up and why magic isn't as strong.


so many flash backs to the early day of mlp
so many wholesome episodes
soooo much  merch so much 4 year old me had
and finally
there being not much lore
simple times


Hey sawtooth waves, maybe discord is a creation of grogar made of the parts of animals different from the ones from tartarus. And remember that discord have his own dimension which is his home.


I’m just gonna say this cause I’m just curious. Grogar was in G1 so why don’t theories use that too? Again I’m just wondering cause I’m genuinely curious. If anyone could tell me why that would mean a lot.


8:45 what do we think ?
Well i think you're the best theory teller and the maker of the best videos


Could you please do 'Where were the pillars when Celestia and Luna had to banish Discord?' It's been a question I've had for a while and it's still pretty unanswered.


I still haven't watched the last EQG special, I can't be ready to move on. Also the season 9 finale was a bummer.


Mlp has four generations. In the first gen, gen1, grogar was a villain along with tirek, that’s why he still existed even though he wasn’t actually in gen4. So sawtooth is very right, grogar still existed even though he didn’t appear in gen4. He is historical and very old, since he was there since the beginning of literally the first 19-something (I think like 1997 or something) Mlp show! I hope this clarifies a bit!


This makes so much sense even though im mad that FIM ended


mention of grogar's crystal ball reminded me of something that nobody has brought up,... it's not a crystal ball,.... it's the almaspi's eye, as seen during the recounting of griffon history.


yes! I would love regular uploads! I loved the theory


“What if I told you the tribes themselves wouldn’t even exist if it weren’t for grogar”

Wait that wasn’t obvious to everyone?


if hearts warming eve was the beginning of unity of ponies how did they elect rulers of equestria? How did celestia and luna become rulers? how old exactly are they? how does it fit into the timeline?


Sooo... Entropy? The thing that moves life?<br>If you didn't have an imbalance, a difference in the matrix, the power would be flat. Imbalances cause movement, relationships and interactions, from a social or physics perspective.

Sooo... Entropy? The thing that moves life?
If you didn't have an imbalance, a difference in the matrix, the power would be flat. Imbalances cause movement, relationships and interactions, from a social or physics perspective.


My theory/story:

Grogar was a tyrannical ruler. Gusty, sick of Grogar's rule as a self-proclaimed emperor, tried to get help from her own kind - the unicorns. But, quickly learning even the combined magic of the unicorns wouldn't be enough, she travelled towards the city in the clouds to find the ponies who used their magic to grow wings to his in the sky from Grogar to seek their help and alliance. But, Grogar, through his all-seeing crystal ball, learned of Gusty's efforts and cut them off. The unicorns were, as Gusty realized, unable to stop him alone. But, seeing the efforts they put in fighting against him, the pegasi were moved and joined in their fight against the evil goat. And, in the nearby farmlands, so were the earth ponies. With the unicorns magic, the pegasi's courage, and the strength of the earth ponies, they were able to detain the powerful goat. But, seeing that Grogar could simply take the power from all three types of ponies with his magical bell, Gusty devised a plan to steal the bell and rob Grogar of his power.

With the combined strengths of the ponies, Gusty was successful in stealing Grogars bell and used it against him to steal the power he had robbed. Powerless, the ponies had successfully stopped and imprisoned the evil Grogar. However, Gusty still feared the power sealed within the bell. She had considered releasing it, but she worried another pony or creature would become as drunk or power-hungry as Grogar had been. Instead, Gusty, with the help of her pony allies, took the bell to a tall and frozen mountain where few would ever choose to or be able to venture. As an extra precaution, she used up all of her magic, and even her body, to create a powerful barrier no creature could ever penetrate to ensure the bell and the power within could never be taken advantage of ever again.

And Grogar, stripped of his power and status was imprisoned. Unable to restore his stolen strength without his bell, he lived out the rest of his days as a weak goat before his age took him and he became nothing more than a legend.


2:00
Most amazing story I've ever heard
Encore
Encore


Grogar's real first appearance was in MLP G1 back in the 90's which means MLP G4 is referencing the older generations


WAIT-
Maybe, and rainbow is how the main 6, got their cutiemark, they had seen an rainbow boom.
So perhaps this was how they got their cutiemarks?

That's literally what happened. That rainboom was because of raindowdash lol. This comment made no sense.


BronyNotion: Grogar COULD still have been the stars that freed Nightmare Moon.

Me: reads the article where Faust herself confirms Celestia controls the stars and intentionally freed Nightmare herself uhm...

BronyNotion: Grogar COULD still have been the stars that freed Nightmare Moon.

Me: *reads the article where Faust herself confirms Celestia controls the stars and intentionally freed Nightmare herself* uhm...

Guys Watch TBN's Video on Flurry Heart's alicornhood.<br>He touched on that very subject, and if I remember correctly, I think it was a fantastic theory.

Guys Watch TBN's Video on Flurry Heart's alicornhood.
He touched on that very subject, and if I remember correctly, I think it was a fantastic theory.

+Lottie 151  I think why they say its beyond their understanding is how a alicorn was born from parents that are not both alicorns while there is no strings attached upon the newborn.
That and its possible they never witnessed a birth of an actual alicorn not since theirs.
A big issue here is we don't know where the sisters came from nor what happened to the rest of the alicorns. That is one big question that is needed to be answered to help resolve the issue with Flurry Heart had caused.

night shroud96 Yes, but while Celestia’s statement may prove this, Luna says that it is beyond even their understanding implying that they have never seen anyone be born an alicorn including themselves. No one questions it in the show either as if it’s common knowledge that they were born alicorns

+Lottie 151   What evidence proves the Royal Sisters aren't born alicorns?
That's the curious part.

I can only recall the season 6 premiere might have done that but it can be interpreted as they meant Flurry Heart was the first alicorn born since Equestria was formed.

Yeah maybe but Faust’s opinion isn’t always cannon. Like how she said Celestia and Luna where born alicorns but now we have too much evidence against this. While that is probably just bad writing, this does mean that what Faust says doesn’t always matter

@night shroud96 a test to Twilight back in the first episode

Honestly the whole "Celestia purposely freed NMM" bit bothered me a lot.<br>Felt like it messed up NMM's threat/power in some way.

Honestly the whole "Celestia purposely freed NMM" bit bothered me a lot.
Felt like it messed up NMM's threat/power in some way.


Maybe Gregor is still a constellation but discord just pretends to be him and tricks the villains to get the bell


could you imagine if grogar was alive it would be a disaster in equastria


I'm pretty sure Grogar became a factor ONLY AFTER the ponies came to HIS land. Remember, ponies fled their original homeland that was now turned into Frozen Wastes by the windigos, which means after Heartwarming Ever and the founding of Equestria, which means they were basically encroaching on his territory.
As Tirek said: The land that WOULD become Equestria.
Cloudsdale likely ISN'T the same city that the pegasi originally lived in the Frozen Wastes.


Yo, as I was watching this I had an insane thought, so we know how grogar combined animals into monsters, what if he’s got something to do with alicorns and all the ponies, like they were all Alicorns and he separated them or they were none and that same magic used to make monsters made alicorns. Don’t know if you’ll ever see this but this is where I thought you were gonna go for a second XD


but there's one thing I don't understand, Grogar first appeared in mlp's G1 in the episode "The Return of Tambelon" and at the end Megan rings an old bell for the second time which destroys Grogar's bell and banishes him.
So if Grogar's bell was destroyed, how could Gusty steal it and hide it?

My brains are currently on fire


@Sawtooth Waves don’t worry about it it’s OK 🥰🥰🥰🥰 we love you so much

@Sawtooth Waves you had one job and you messed up

Your video is marking me thinking I now all of the story’s and all of the answers.


Well for me Grogar isn't real he is just a myth from Millions or Thousands years ago and his bell is just a ancient artefact who is very dangerous and the "legend of grogar" was created for protect the artefact from anypony.

Sorry for my really bad english


if groagar created the tribes he might have wanted the tribes to go to war creating chaos and disharmony meaning there will be no need to create the elements of harmony


It's 2022 and I'm still watching my little pony


Every pony was earth pony but gro gra made them different so he did make the tribes and as a villain he wants the pony’s to fight so he made the windigoes but when the big pink heart made them friends soo he came back to get revenge but he had to wait to get ready all the way to season 9


Don't stop there are millions of questions to solve ❤


Me: I missed my little pony

Brony Notion: uploads

Me: 😲

Also me: slowly clicks, making sure no one is looking

Also also me: fangirls


Hey,remember what chrysalis say in the 1st episode of 9 season "until gusty the great rose up and banished you ",he was banished until discord take his form ,maybe he still banished


I prefer, instead of Pegasi coming to the rescue, Gusty getting away while Grogar captures the Unicorns. She reaches Cloudsdale alone, gets the help of the Pegasi, they fly over the walls of Grogar's city (could be Tambelon if you want that reference too), spring the Unicorns, and nab the bell.<br>Has more tension, follows 'Return of Tambelon' pretty well, and feels more like a FiM plot.

I prefer, instead of Pegasi coming to the rescue, Gusty getting away while Grogar captures the Unicorns. She reaches Cloudsdale alone, gets the help of the Pegasi, they fly over the walls of Grogar's city (could be Tambelon if you want that reference too), spring the Unicorns, and nab the bell.
Has more tension, follows 'Return of Tambelon' pretty well, and feels more like a FiM plot.

Also, the story used 'treacherous' a lot, indicating a betrayal. Whether that's ponies being upset by him making monsters, or him declaring himself emperor in the first place.


I think that grogar might be related to all the villans so thats why they trusted discord even though he was not the real grogar


He may be the oldest figure of all equestria. Older than Equestria it self. But I wish we could meet him


May i just say. Grogar was in mlp the original. I watched both. You should see it. They got the model pretty good too.

Let me give a link to the og mlp.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PT6tTH-2iZQ


Does someone know where can I see the full mlp series?


So if this actually happened then if you think about it grogar created alicorns cos if grogar didn’t become emperor of everything he saw there woundent be different tribes and the fights between the pony’s whouldent of happened and without them there would be no fire of friendship and that means there was no sign of how powerful the pony’s could be when they worked together


I think your absolutely right. ✅😉 But your rong about one thing after Gusty took Grogar's bell .She yoused it to banish Grogar to the stars. 🌟⭐


Well, they confirmed that Season 10 is going to be a comic, so it is possible that the real Grogar may appear.


I want your channel to never end I  want more


Me: Why does Twilight always have to defeat the villains
My friend: I don’t know
Me I know!
My friend: what?
Me: they are villains Right? And they are bad, get it?
My friend: oooooooooo

Not always. Twilight was not able to defeat Starlight and Chrysalis in season 6. Also Sombra in season 3.


Maybe the age of farms and pastures were overseen by humans? And equestria is a future earth

In the mlp universe the sun orbits the earth

Black Swan No, in “Secret of My Excess”, one of the items Spike collected was a globe.  In the very next episode, “Hearth’s Warming Eve”, Pinkie as Puddingham mentions the world being round.  Later in “Sparkle’s Seven”, Pinkie’s imagination while explaining her part of the plan included round planets.  There’s probably a few more hints pointing toward a round Earth, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

@Rock Mint Swirl Exactly! So many questions are answered about how the world works if it's flat. =)

Black Swan Also realized flat earth would explain why the ponies have to change the seasons manually. ~ Mintstar

Black Swan Oh yeah, I forgot the unicorns used to do it, whoops. Hmm. My theory is that ponies didn’t have dreams/nightmares after Luna’s banishment, and maybe even before that. Don’t know who does it now though. ~ Mintstar

@Rock Mint Swirl I don't think so. Before Celestia and Luna came along, it took a team of unicorns to raise and lower the sun and moon. Celestia was able to do it alone after she banished Luna to the moon and after Celestia and Luna "retire", Twilight can do it all on her own. She was even able to do it before her battle with Tirek. I'm sure in time, Twilight will teach some pony else and pass the torch again. But I wonder... Raising and lowering the moon wasn't Luna's only duty. She had to also watch the dream realm. Who did that while she was banished? And who does it after she "retires"? There's an idea for a video, The Brony Notion.

That... Actually makes quite a bit of sense. Though, some questions as well. Wouldn't there have to be multiple Celestias and Lunas anyway? And the moon's presence has shown to bring the night. Does that mean anything? ~ Mintstar

@ArtifexVigen It CAN'T be round. Otherwise, there would have to be multiple Celestias and Lunas to raise and lower the sun and moon across the different time zones. Equestria is a flat disk. When the sun sets, it drops below the horizon where no one can see it. When the moon sets, it drops below the horizon to make way for sunrise.

Actually no, it's round, but the orbits of the planet around the sun, and the motion around the planet, have likely stopped, which is why they need to control the orbit.

Unlike Earth, Equestria is actually flat. That's the only way Celetsia and Luna controlling the sun and moon works. And in the first Hearths Warming episode, Chancellor Pudding head (noted to be crazy) said the "earth" was round. She's Equestria's version of a flat earther, but in reverse... a Glober. :P