Chrysalis always said "The hive..." rather then "me" so she did love her kids a lot

Bog Standard Borg Queen <br>thats a good band name

Bog Standard Borg Queen
thats a good band name

Yeah but  maybe something happened and that why she can’t show her love for her kids and everything else?

@☆TaylxhDre4ms☆ What do you mean by that?

@☆TaylxhDre4ms☆ What do you mean by that?

And through the walls of ash, we’ll revive, the Mothohive!

And through the walls of ash, we’ll revive, the Mothohive!

Wait…the changlings are Chrysalises kids…?

Wait…the changlings are Chrysalises kids…?

Yes exactly she just didn’t want to lose their traditions and culture

Yes exactly she just didn’t want to lose their traditions and culture

𝕋𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝕚𝕤 𝕥𝕣𝕦𝕖.

𝕋𝕙𝕒𝕥 𝕚𝕤 𝕥𝕣𝕦𝕖.

@0-•Aurxella•-0 🍃 yeah or take her roots away.

@0-•Aurxella•-0 🍃 yeah or take her roots away.

Yeah I feel like she was good in a way it’s just she didn’t understand that being “good” won’t replace her identity

@LeeAnna Fallon why are the ponies naked and hairless and have no tails or a mane and no pupils.

@King Neptune she's cool but there's always someone  better than her.

@King Neptune she's cool but there's always someone  better than her.

I think she could be reformed by her own people cuz she clearly does care

I think she could be reformed by her own people cuz she clearly does care

The mean 6 are on the a list and so is spike. They have things named after them but the villains don't have anything named after them because they are on the d list.

@Unicorn Fairy she was evil but she wasn't for the sake of it she was doing it because she was hurt. Spike knows chrysalis well enough to know that she just wanted the best for her son and baby boy thorax.

@Unicorn Fairy rairty like him because when thorax eats he's like a bamboo or crocodile and she loves aligators.

@Unicorn Fairy thorax was a ruthless savage and a nasty barbarian. Twilight love him because she loves crocodiles.

@Unicorn Fairy I get you are going to say that they are not so different run along a bunch of traits that you think they share and try to convince thorax to join chrysalis's side. Well stop right there fairy! Let me tell you fairy they are nothing alike thorax earned his kingdom his subjects and his friends chrysalis took her throne by force and she inslaved the other changeling for her own selfish gain. In other thorax got to where he is thought love and friendship chrysalis try to get there though fear and violence and she was defeated for it twice. What I am saying is that chrysalis is not thorax equal she's not even a real queen. She just a mean smuggler straight out of a nean smuggler's ally lounge.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 But she’s evil

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 But she’s evil

@Unicorn Fairy how dare thorax replace her own mother chrysalis!?

@Unicorn Fairy how dare thorax replace her own mother chrysalis!?

@Unicorn Fairy how dare sawtooth run away from his hive.

@Unicorn Fairy how dare sawtooth run away from his hive.

@Yey now chrysalis us forever trapped in stone. She's frozen in one place forever.

@Yey now chrysalis us forever trapped in stone. She's frozen in one place forever.

Chrysalis She misses her son thorax she wishes her could have been a better mother for him.

@Tora nikiforov thorax sure misses his mom chrysalis she just wants her to come home.

@Unicorn Fairy 1 thousand he will write i forgive you.

@Unicorn Fairy 1 thousand he will write i forgive you.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Maybe she should write I’m sorry 1 million times.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Maybe she should write I’m sorry 1 million times.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 A long apology

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 A long apology

@Unicorn Fairy how can she apologize to thorax her son.

@Unicorn Fairy how can she apologize to thorax her son.

@Unicorn Fairy but I think she deserves an apology from thorax.

@Unicorn Fairy but I think she deserves an apology from thorax.

@Unicorn Fairy because I like her more than thorax.

@Unicorn Fairy because I like her more than thorax.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Why would you support her

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Why would you support her

@Unicorn Fairy I actually support chrysalis.

@Unicorn Fairy I actually support chrysalis.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Show me what?

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Show me what?

@Unicorn Fairy I haven't been totally honest with you so have to show something.

@Unicorn Fairy I haven't been totally honest with you so have to show something.

@Unicorn Fairy exactly he clearly knows nothing about changeling culture.

@Unicorn Fairy exactly he clearly knows nothing about changeling culture.

@Unicorn Fairy sawtooth is not an a list brony youtuber he's more like a d list brony youtuber.

@Unicorn Fairy she is not a a list mlp character she's more like a d list mlp character.

@Unicorn Fairy chrysalis is not thorax equal she's not even a real queen she's just a creche bad straight of a mediocre fantasy book.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 I know, I was just making it funnier

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 I know, I was just making it funnier

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Squidward- Alone

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Squidward- Alone

@Unicorn Fairy just because it worked for pharynx doesn't mean we should take our chances with chrysalis.

@Roblox Sunshine but you know what the hive maybe a safer friendlier place that doesn't mean they won't have to defend themselves. Clearly.

@HECXHOCK Games even if she did care about the hive she clearly as no place there anymore. So what if she does care about flowers and feeling circle and hippies.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 I know right? It’s so sad!

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 I know right? It’s so sad!

@HECXHOCK Games not even thorax will let her back in the hive.

@HECXHOCK Games not even thorax will let her back in the hive.

@Unicorn Fairy now she can't go back because the changelings do need her anymore.

@Unicorn Fairy now she can't go back because the changelings do need her anymore.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Yeah she totally deserves that.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Yeah she totally deserves that.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 FRRRR SHE WAS ONLY LOST NOT EVIL!

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 FRRRR SHE WAS ONLY LOST NOT EVIL!

@UmbreonTwinkle what do you think starlight started it by taking her children away.

@Unicorn Fairy poor chrysalis and why did thorax have to replace her?

@Unicorn Fairy poor chrysalis and why did thorax have to replace her?

@HECXHOCK Games but lots of people love horses.

@HECXHOCK Games but lots of people love horses.

I have a head theory. First, those aren't her children. Mostly because of the introduction of thorax and his brother, (why doesn't he call other changelings his siblings?) So maybe her role is more to over look the grubs to see what jobs they would be good at. And second, what the changelings got reformed into was actually their original form. But something turned them cruel and love hungry between back then and now so they became the changelings from the earlier seasons.

@Unicorn Fairy I insect can mother hundreds but that just not possible for humans.

@Unicorn Fairy I insect can mother hundreds but that just not possible for humans.

@Unicorn Fairy so in her journal if there is nothing else then that must be the last thing she wrote before she left the hive.

@Unicorn Fairy but one good thing is that she is gone. So don't worry that is one thing I am sure of.

@Unicorn Fairy I wouldn't feel too sorry for her. She did want to crush the changelings under her hoof.

@Unicorn Fairy also she is now ex queen of the castle.👑🏰

@Unicorn Fairy also she is now ex queen of the castle.👑🏰

@Unicorn Fairy ocullus is not one of her children because neither her mother nor her father are queen chrysalis's children.

@Unicorn Fairy but that's assuming that pharynx isn't one of her children.

@Unicorn Fairy but that's assuming that pharynx isn't one of her children.

@Unicorn Fairy but she never bothered to ask them what they wanted.

@Unicorn Fairy but she never bothered to ask them what they wanted.

@Unicorn Fairy I guess she was mad at the mane 6 and their dragon for taking her home away and her babies and her everything.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 By saying I’m so sorry over and over again or trying to earn her son’s respect.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Oh come on! All of the changelings are her children!

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Oh come on! All of the changelings are her children!

@Unicorn Fairy she never bothered to ask him what he wanted

@Unicorn Fairy she never bothered to ask him what he wanted

@Unicorn Fairy how can chrysalis apologize to thorax?

@Unicorn Fairy how can chrysalis apologize to thorax?

@Unicorn Fairy but he was never her son.

@Unicorn Fairy but he was never her son.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 By having a talk between mother and son.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 By having a talk between mother and son.

@Unicorn Fairy how is thorax going to set this right with chrysalis?

@Unicorn Fairy how is thorax going to set this right with chrysalis?

ocelus and pharynx hang out with sandbar and smolder and Garble and Luna and Thorax hangs out with ember and Celestia and Chrysalis hangs out with twilight and spike and rarity and the whole mane 6 when she is with sawtooth and his older sister larynx.

@Unicorn Fairy gallas is in love with silverstream and yona like taramar her little brother and Gabriella is gallas's younger sister.

@Unicorn Fairy both thorax and pharynx have an older sister named larynx Both celestia and Luna have a younger brother named stariotwinklio and both smolder and garble have to middle siblings named flame and fire. Flame is a boy and fire is a girl and they are both twins with fire being a little older than flame by 29 minutes.

@Unicorn Fairy but she does miss her baby boy thorax and just want to make it up to him. But how can she be a better mother for him?

@Unicorn Fairy she was mad that her son thorax betrayed her and left her hanging in the forest of the everfree.

@Unicorn Fairy but even if she apologizes to him he still wouldn't forgive her. But He does seem to miss her though.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 She could apologize to him

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 She could apologize to him

very funny haha! but how can chrysalis make it up for thorax?

very funny haha! but how can chrysalis make it up for thorax?

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 I was making a joke

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 I was making a joke

@Unicorn Fairy not the mane 6 and their dragon.

@Unicorn Fairy not the mane 6 and their dragon.

@Unicorn Fairy but we are talking about chrysalis and thorax.👑🏰

@Unicorn Fairy but we are talking about chrysalis and thorax.👑🏰

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Pinkie Pie- Hey Spike I got a to tell you.

Spike- Ok Pinkie I’m ready.

Pinkie Pie- Why did 👑 Chrysalis go to Zecora?

Spike- 🤷♂.

Pinkie Pie- To see if she has hives!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Spike- Ohhhhhhhhh I get it! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 🤔 That sounds logical.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 🤔 That sounds logical.

@Unicorn Fairy I think chrysalis will never have a place again.

@Unicorn Fairy I think chrysalis will never have a place again.


Guys please embrace the fact that chrysalis is a kind of mom to the original changeling hive in from where and back again. She always understood friendships and love she just didn’t want to lose her leadership. And she cared for her kind of kids as the royal wedding shows that she only came to canterlot to feed her subjects and herself.

If true they would probably not be hungry but otherwise awwwww

I think they didn't have to put them to the stone. I think they should do the same thing as they did to reform Discord.

@Bombardier_the hivewing she's a mother of thousands?...

I don't think they where her children at all. I know they are based off of bugs but I don't think their whole hive works like that. But yeah she did care for them, I think she was just too stubborn.

@Àíďàñ but thorax never cared about her.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 it was discord's idea actually

What those were similar thoughts that I had and that's a good way of summing it up

@Quacker ik. I was just explaining what would've happened. but since chrysalis was betrayed I understand why she would do it.

@wxnderer Yeah, and that's a fucking horrible thing to do to what is basically your child

@Quacker ik he was never like that. what I meant is that it'll constantly make him hiss and growl just like when spike found him and he constantly hissed bc of the lack of love. and I think if chrysalis did remove the love inside of him she'd either lock him up somewhere  or keep a close eye on him.

@wxnderer  He was never like that????? Did you not pay attention to his backstory? And that's still a horrible thing to do.

@Quacker she wasn’t. taking the love out of him was going to revert him back to a love-hungry changeling who is always aggressive

@DontTouchMyTea and pharynx and ocellus agreed.

this makes it even worse that they just turned to stone and that's where it ended..

Yes thats a very good way of putting it 👏 👍

i think it's she's worried that her son thorax will never forgive her.

@Quacker What would you do if yourchild betrayed you? duh its obvi kill the child

@Bombardier_the hivewing when he was our of the shell thinf

@Bombardier_the hivewing did you see Thorax's flashback?

@Quacker she wasn't,she was just taking his love away from him

@Idk Really_what to_put_here I would be very mad too when someone betrays me

@Xx Måłwãrë Gāčhâ xX Harry Potter vibes.

Wait- chrysalis is the entire hives motherr.. dose that mean WhAaAt I thought-

@so you what , but her anger after the betrayal was mostly directed at starlight, after the hive was taken,  all she talked about was starlight,  she barely even mentions thorax

@Lil' J  She said she was gonna make an example of Thorax and was about to kill him.

the second sentence made me confused because there wasn’t any commas, I eventually got it

Damn, didn’t know that the boy who lived was a brony.

I would see this... if she didn't act the way she did in To Where And Back Again. To change was best for all her people; it would ensure they never starved again. But she didn't. And from the subtext I can gather, it seems like the reason she didn't was that it's easy to control the desperate and hungry.

Bro she literally was going to murder Thorax in cold blood.

@Lil' J I think she doesn’t like starlight because she was one of the people who reformed the whole hive and leaded alway the hive from her. Also I’m pretty sure she is mad at Thorax too because in one of the episodes she said something like “Don’t mention that traitors name in my hive!” and something like “ you will see what happens to the ones who leave the hive and come back.”

I also think that's the reason why she's mad at starlight not thorax, thorax is her kid, she isn't mad at him, she just thinks he's misguided, l mean why would she be mad at starlight? Thorax was the one who took over the hive, so lm guessing she's like a over protective mother who thinks starlight is a bad influence on her kids


When Chrysalis threatened to tear off Spike's wings, she didn't really mean to do it, I think. She even gave him back to his friends. So there is yet hope to reform her.

Um, I'm pretty sure she would have done it, and gladly, had the Mane Six not submitted to her. And she "gave him back" pretty much just so she could kill him along with them.

@Trent Penner1261 Changelings are just filthy bugs anyway. They're better off dead. Bug bomb those vermin. Oh, Glob! I'm becoming my dad.😿👻

0:00 idk looks kinda suspect. Could be an imposter you know um.

@UmbreonTwinkle Cut her wings off and see how she likes it.

When was this? I haven’t watched MLP in sooooo long


Also Thorax is a really bad king in how weak he is. Celestia might be peaceful but she has shown on multiple occasions that she can stand her ground and can assert her authority if needed. She has a sense of self-confidence and charisma to her that Thorax just lacks.<br>The episode with Larynx didn't do anything but confirm to me how weak Thorax is.

Also Thorax is a really bad king in how weak he is. Celestia might be peaceful but she has shown on multiple occasions that she can stand her ground and can assert her authority if needed. She has a sense of self-confidence and charisma to her that Thorax just lacks.
The episode with Larynx didn't do anything but confirm to me how weak Thorax is.

As much as I love my boy thorax. I agree. I think he'd be better off as the one who makes allies between other creatures and changelings while his brother or reformed chrysalis (or both) where the rulers that did most of the hard stuff.

“Pharynx” actually,but yeah I agree,there was en episode where Ember tries to help him be more assertive and he helps her be more gentle which kinda helped

@marinus18 Well, I think that's not very true. We just haven't seen it.

@{Well Hello} Yeah, it did make me warm up to him slightly more. Though with the episode of Phalynx I do kinda think he should have banished him. The episode kind of chickened out by not having Thorax make the hard decision to choose the needs of the many over the few.

The show did also acknowledge this witht he episode triple threat, though i would have to say DWK's Totally Legit Recap episode did it much better.

I see your point but to be fair he didn't exactly ask to be the leader, it was kinda thrust upon him like twilight, he's doing his best and we can clearly see he's just doing what he thinks is right, sure he's kinda a wimp, but we see throughout multiple episodes like "triple threat" and "uprooted" that he can be assertive and wise when he needs to be


Chrysalis seems to be the most susceptible to reformation. Shes not world ending evil just conquering evil. She wants the best for her people and she thinks her way is the best. It's not hard to appeal to someone like her. Tirek has betrayal issues from his brother he would need some form of support to get him to accept that no one is going to betray him and that he doesn't need to be all powerful. Cozy Glow is just crazy keep her in stone.

@Tananda Lynch If it isn’t on screen, it doesn’t exist.  Every indication in the show is that she is a child.  One writer claiming otherwise doesn’t mean that it’s so.  If they wanted us to believe she was an adult who looked like a child, they should have said so to begin with.    But even Cozy says she is “just a kid,” and no-pony every contradicts about it.  Further, did this writer have anything to do with her creation?  One writer making a claim does not mean any of the other writers agreed with it.

@magicaltour1 Cozy being an adult was confirmed by one of the writers though. This was probably to get the "but she's a child stone is too harsh a punishment" people off their backs. But even if she was a child, she nearly ended the world twice.

@Sour Rodent she's not a child she's a grown pony that looks like a child and she literally almost ended the world twice but sure just ignore those two huge factors.

@Violet AB Or she belongs locked away from anything with a pulse in a steel vault. Still, she's a child. Children are innocent, right? Cozy Glow might not be completely hopeless.😿👻

Gotta repeat what I said in a different comment thread: I don’t think Cozy Glow is irredeemably evil, I definitely don’t think she’s more evil than Queen Chrysalis and Tirek, and leaving her in stone would be completely irresponsible IMO. If she ever gets out, she’ll just be angrier and worse than before.<br>As for what to do with her: high-security mental hospital. She’ll probably need years of therapy to become a functioning member of pony society, and wherever she’s put would need to be actually capable of holding her. (Incidentally, I’ve heard of cases that are at least somewhat similar to Cozy Glow: kids who needed to be put in long-term psychiatric care because they were a danger to their families, and after years of therapy were able to become functional members of society, even starting families of their own. So Cozy Glow’s case isn’t completely hopeless, or at least I don’t think so.)

Gotta repeat what I said in a different comment thread: I don’t think Cozy Glow is irredeemably evil, I definitely don’t think she’s more evil than Queen Chrysalis and Tirek, and leaving her in stone would be completely irresponsible IMO. If she ever gets out, she’ll just be angrier and worse than before.
As for what to do with her: high-security mental hospital. She’ll probably need years of therapy to become a functioning member of pony society, and wherever she’s put would need to be actually capable of holding her. (Incidentally, I’ve heard of cases that are at least somewhat similar to Cozy Glow: kids who needed to be put in long-term psychiatric care because they were a danger to their families, and after years of therapy were able to become functional members of society, even starting families of their own. So Cozy Glow’s case isn’t completely hopeless, or at least I don’t think so.)

Isn't she an orphan she has to have Pict it up from somewhere so maybe shining armour and his family for cozy glow to look up to or to teach them

@Bottlenose Cactus a child that planned to destroy magic, sent the mane six to Tartarus to get them out of the way, took over a school, and took two ponies hostage with one actually being nice to her only to be repaid with a knife in the back.

@pigifi She mentioned her changelings would have love for generations if her plan works though.
And she literally said she wants to feed her subjects and have them obtain power in the wedding, she said it even if none of her buggos are around.
Besides, pretty sure it works with how the queen of a hive gets the most honey or it goes to her first and then distributed among the hive in question and such.

@magicaltour1 I could see it work if there was evidence for it but yeah I agree it just sounds like a very loose theory.

Marek1shtar Cozy being an adult?  Yeah, it’s how some fans rationalize both her imprisonment in Tartarus as well as her petrification.  But no evidence for this is given in the show.

pigifi Except Chrysalis didn’t show any indication she even knew about it.  She regards it as a “corruption”.  The idea that she was deliberately starving them is, like Cozy Glow secretly being an adult, a fan theory regarded as fact despite a lack of evidence for it.

"She wants the best for her people and she thinks her way is the best."

If she really thought that deliberately starving her people of love for control and dependence in the Season 6 finale was a good thing, she pretty much crossed the line with that notion.

Cozy glow needs to be in child therapy, she is a child being treated like a world ending threat

Why is everybody saying cozy glow will be soooooooo hard

Give cozy glow therapy, <b>THEN</b> we think about what to do with here

Give cozy glow therapy, *THEN* we think about what to do with here

stevenstrumpf7 her parents probably abused her

@Amos_ FR I can agree on the friendship being power thing. But the term control gives off a "negative" connotation. I think that if she were to be reformed it would have to be shown that friendship is beneficial to ones mental health as well as social support. I do think that a bit of Chrysalis rubbed off on her with the virus thing but I do see  her finding actual supportive friends who could help her kick her conniving side.

Actually I believe it could be possible to reform Cozy Glow. If she believes that friendship is power and control, which kinda is, why not show her a way to control people but in a healthy way? Teachers control their students for example, they teach them things and make sure they are not bothering anyone from learning. The really difficult part I believe is "How to satisfy her?" because she seems like someone who always want more, more control, more power over people and I am not too sure how they would use that as an advantage to reform her.


While Chrysalis was overly militant, you're right that Thorax was having the Changelings go too far the other way and forsaking their entire history and culture in favour of acting like ponies.

If Chrysalis could be shown that friendship and pacifism aren't the same thing by Pharynx who like you said, would fight tooth and nail to try and stop her from retaking the Hive and to protect his brother Thorax, it could help her opt to embrace friendship and reform.

She'd of course still be angry at Starlight for causing her people to turn into pacifists but that's something else she can work on moving past once she's embraced friendship.

@Shu  xin thorax knows nothing about changelings.

@Shu  xin yes but he just run away because he was too cowardly to fight chrysalis.

Didn't Thorax say : "because all the changeling did was hunt and patrol" They're peaceful now so they don't need to hunt and patrol so thorax added new activities.

She is just sad that thorax kicked her out.

@Lil' J The Changelings literally changed overnight from "I must consume love to life" to "Love of people sustain me", they no longer were "forced" to be evil and with changing morality most probably felt weird and scares of what they did.

He had a bad hand but by mending and strengthing the bonds of family, putting aside out traditions that no longer make sense for how they act and embracing who they are and not be literally drones. Changelings could move forward as Changelings started to learn how to be nice and being nice with friends eho care for you is alot more kinder then ripping out love like a sewer Rat.

Am I the only one who thinks that thorax isn't "changing their culture in favor of ponies" I kinda see it as him setting up a sort of "therapy camp" for the changelings, after all, activities like dancing, craft making, and talking about your feelings are activities that therapists or psychologists use to encourage patients to express themselves so they have a better way to Cope with their trauma, after all, living almost all your life constantly starving under the rule of an "evil" Queen seems very stress inducing

@ryan macdonald Thorax though is somewhat impulsive. He can be aggressive on impulse but he struggles to be aggressive in a controlled way which is something a ruler needs to have. That could be a good way that it opens. That Thorax lets himself be manipulated by some bandit ponies who promise to stop their raiding and Phyranx scolds him for that. He then sets up the changeling guard and when Thorax protests Phyranx says the changelings should still be a strong race and that they should let others know not to mess with them.
He would then bow down to Thorax and ask him to be their king which would make Thorax uncomfortable. He would argue but Phyranx would bring up how many see him as a pushover and how a king needs to make it clear to dignitaries that the changelings are still to be feared. Then a group of bandits attack and the guard shows off what they can do. Intimidating them and making it clear that from now on attacking changelings or raiding on hive territory will have consequences. They already used up their second chance so he locks them up.
Maybe the end could be Thorax meeting with an ambassador who tries to be pushy but then Phyranx steps forward menacingly and tells the king will not be spoken to like that which makes the pony back down.

@ryan macdonald I do think though they did integrate in changeling society much better. They were not as extreme as Pharynx.

@marinus18  Yeah, I don't believe for a minute that Pharnyx was the only Changeling who feels nostalgia for the old ways. There had to have been others in the Hive who weren't happy with their people turning into total pacifists. Why they weren't there in Pharnyx's episode can be explained in that they were in other parts of the Hive not shown in the episode or on guard duty.

Still, I think that the Hive is finding that balance plus when Chancellor Neighsay called Changelings "unpredictable creatures", Thorax was as angry as the other heads of the allied races were and looked ready to beat down Neighsay. This shows that Thorax still has some Classic Changeling instinct left in him as he won't let outsiders slander his people.

I kind of want to see a follow-up on Phrynanx. Maybe now that he's become a little more moderate he sets up a new changeling guard and military. I don't think he's truly the only changeling who feels some nostalgia for the old ways and misses being able to express themselves through force.<br>It could make for a good IDW issue. Phrynax finding others like him and realizing he's not as unusual as he thought he was. Maybe making a new changeling guard to not only protect the hive but also project changeling power. Thorax is peaceful by nature but having 2 impressive looking guards at his side will certainly make dignitaries think twice about trying to take advantage of him. It could also be a small lesson for Thorax as well. After all Celestia is peaceful yet she still has guards posted when on official duty.

I kind of want to see a follow-up on Phrynanx. Maybe now that he's become a little more moderate he sets up a new changeling guard and military. I don't think he's truly the only changeling who feels some nostalgia for the old ways and misses being able to express themselves through force.
It could make for a good IDW issue. Phrynax finding others like him and realizing he's not as unusual as he thought he was. Maybe making a new changeling guard to not only protect the hive but also project changeling power. Thorax is peaceful by nature but having 2 impressive looking guards at his side will certainly make dignitaries think twice about trying to take advantage of him. It could also be a small lesson for Thorax as well. After all Celestia is peaceful yet she still has guards posted when on official duty.

My Oc Emma could provide some good therapy with the starlight issue chraysils will have,but that's judt a concpet

It would also be cool to see her reaction when she goes to take back the hive and gets fought off by pharanx.

I feel like Chrysalis needs to know that its Spike befriending Thorax is what ultimately caused her hive to reform.


Changelings really need crysalis, she’s their mother after all

They really don't though. They're clearly doing just fine with Thorax at the helm

Ridiculous. She's only care for herself and ignore everthing even her childs. And the worst part she never let them call her 'mother'.

@SunFlowerif you are right with bees, than the future of the hive is not bright... Some of worker bees can transform into laying worker bees and start to make eggs, but these eggs are drone eggs. And such a laying worker bee is a big danger for a hive as it makes other bees crazy without queen

@Athena Unfortunately, yes, there is such a method of reproduction in nature - but it is "wrong". If the queen disappears from the hive, then one of the worker bees can become a "laying worker bee" - and randomly lays eggs. But these eggs give only drones, that is, male bees. The laying workers thus accelerate the degradation of the hive, and in this case, the beekeepers urgently destroy the laying workers and look for the queen to move in - otherwise the hive will go crazy and die without the control of the queen.

yea i mean like she took care of them and cared for them

@Athena <br>i dont think so, it's known that changelings are like bugs, their system is very similar to an ant's and a bee's

@Athena
i dont think so, it's known that changelings are like bugs, their system is very similar to an ant's and a bee's

@Athena Good point, I guess we just have to wait and see.

@I like pie  well, I suppose they could reproduce other ways. With eachother, I don’t think Chrysalis is the only female changeling capable of laying eggs.

Wait.. Doesn’t that mean they <b>could</b> go extinct?

Wait.. Doesn’t that mean they *could* go extinct?


4:25
I would think Chrysalis would know Phalanx. He is fiercely loyal to the hive and as head of patrol was of a very high rank. Seeing one of her most loyal subjects fight just as hard and fiercely as before would impact her.
I don't think Phalanx will ever fit in with the new mainstream changeling culture. But his loyalty to the hive likely will cause him to make a small group of like minded changelings. Now that he's dropped some of his most toxic tendencies I do think he's not as alone as he thought.

That could be a good season 10 issue. Phalanx still feeling out of place but now with a more moderate attitude he meets and befriends others who also feel some level of nostalgia for the old days. Those who also rather not express themselves through emotions but through strength.

Pretty sure his name's "Pharynx", not "Phalanx". But yeah.


You know technically speaking if the Changelings function like most hive insects, wouldn't they need a queen to actually, you know, stay alive as a species? It would offer a motivation to reform Chrysalis rather than keep her in stone forever.


This is what should've happened in the show, I finally feel some sort of closure at imagining Chrysalis and the villains being reformed through your well-thought out theories!

@Aesthetic Tale You're right. Evil can't be redeemed. Queen Crysalys should die and let the changelings go extinct. It's not like they need her to save the species. Changelings are filthy parasites like how breezies are no different from cockroaches. (Totally not reverse psychology.)😼👻

@Aesthetic Tale You're right. Evil _can't_ be redeemed. Queen Crysalys should die and let the changelings go extinct. It's not like they need her to save the species. Changelings are filthy parasites like how breezies are no different from cockroaches. (Totally _not_ reverse psychology.)😼👻

@Aesthetic Tale 🎵I have a dream. I'm here to tell about a wonderful fantastic new hotel. Yes, it's one of a kind right here in Hell made to cater to specific clientele. Inside of every demon is a rainbow. Inside every sinner is a shiny smile. Inside of every creepy hatchet-wielding maniac is a jolly happy cupcake-loving child. We can turn them `round. They'll be heaven-bound with just a little time here at the Happy Hotel.🎵

@Aesthetic Tale 🎵I have a dream. I'm here to _tell_ _about_ a wonderful fantastic new hotel. Yes, it's one of a kind right here in Hell made to cater to _specific_ clientele. Inside of every demon is a rainbow. Inside every sinner is a shiny smile. Inside of every creepy hatchet-wielding maniac is a jolly happy cupcake-loving child. We can turn them `round. They'll be heaven-bound with just a little time here at the Happy Hotel.🎵

@Gracekim24
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Chrysalis reform
Oh no bad writing!

@Gracekim24 Some people save others, Some need saving, Some save Accidently and others will literally defy odds to have a Yak Party.

If you attempt to dominate, destory or otherwise ruin people AND THEN reject what they are trying to do, you are beyond saving.

@Evil Paradigm Exactly. That's why I don't agree with the idea of reforming EVERYONE

why do you people want EVERY VILLIAN to be reformed? it's a bad lesson

I'm torn. On one hand, I like the idea, as reformation is a major theme in the show. On the other hand, not everyone who is a jerk in real life will just become better people. Some people are just bad and irredeemable. It's harsh, but an important lesson.


"They decided to not accept friendship, for one reason or another"<br>yeah the writers for S9 were awful. it felt like they just rushed it so it could be over with, which is sad.

"They decided to not accept friendship, for one reason or another"
yeah the writers for S9 were awful. it felt like they just rushed it so it could be over with, which is sad.

@Kane Hodder I think if you lay down what each of the bad guys did, feeling sorry for what they did and embracing Friendship is Way Nicer.

Tirek alone literally sucked the magical essence of ponies leaving most barely able to run, attempted to dominate the world under his Iron Hoof and absorb the Alicorns magic so no one could appose him.

That went from "Abit of a Jerk" to full on "I will burn everything if I cant have it" which goes above morality and is just flat out "Literally just No". I think he getting it off lightly imo.

It wasn’t awful, some people don’t change and not like taht and this VII or just addressed why Chrysalis has issues, they are real. Also people were upset for years that all villains are being reformed and when they don’t reform some people are upset?

@monie_29 you don't want that, be happy you missed it.

@Noah Maldonado yea

But atleast we can create theories of what happens next and the mane sixes kids

It didn't feel like that to me. I do like dumb stuff, though.

@LilBlueOnk oh yeah sorry about the word usage but my point was this could have S9 was poorly written

@Kane Hodder I had to reread that because I kept seeing "except friendship can burn in hell", because you the right word, which was "accept"<br>also no??? this isnt Veggie Tales dude

@Kane Hodder I had to reread that because I kept seeing "except friendship can burn in hell", because you the right word, which was "accept"
also no??? this isnt Veggie Tales dude

I honestly think they just wanted it to be over. Also what's the message here  "accept friendship or burn in hell" has some major Christianity overtones in it don you think?

@Mrirani's Life how can a theory, which is by definition an analysis of a hypothetical circumstance, possibly be considered fake?

@Mrirani's Life the video is a theory of what if's and would be's, not sure how that makes it fake.

You are very very right ✅  lilblueOnk. They didn't wanted to accept friendship. This video is a fake.


Sawtooth:I KNOW HOW TO REFORM THEM ALL
The rest of equestria: s t o n e.

Sawtooth:I KNOW HOW TO REFORM THEM ALL
The rest of equestria: *s t o n e.*

After breaking out and finding Dischord tricked them, they really went off the deep end and Storm King is evnious of their treatment lol


The more I think about it, the more I realize, Chrysalis didn’t even really start out as a villain. She was just trying to feed the other changelings. She just went about things the wrong way and later, let vengeance cloud her judgement.


I’ve always wondered what Chrysalis would look like reformed!

I’ve always wondered what Chrysalis would look like reformed!

Yeah but I'm a little disappointed in the popular version sawtooth used. It feels a little lacking

I think it would be the same as the thumbnail but black.

I think it would be the same as the thumbnail but black.

Same but sadly MLP didn’t ongoing that series …

Same but sadly MLP didn’t ongoing that series …

@Ashley Hawk but now it's over she is all done and that is it. In other she has no place in the hive any longer.

@Ashley Hawk I feel bad for her. She just wanted the best for her children. But now she can see that she has no place in the hive anymore or with her kids.

@Sparkle XD I feel bad for chrysalis. She just wanted the best for her son thorax.

@Sparkle XD I feel sorry for chrysalis. She never got to see her hive again.

Unfortunately the show is over, so we'll never get to see it :(

Unfortunately the show is over, so we'll never get to see it :(

Chrysalis helped pharynx give thorax a bath.

Chrysalis helped pharynx give thorax a bath.

@Unicorn Fairy queen chrysalis she cared for thorax as he is her son.

@Unicorn Fairy queen chrysalis she cared for thorax as he is her son.

@Unicorn Fairy he throw the baby out with the bath water instead of reforming changeling culture he pretty finished it in favor of coping pony culture.

@Unicorn Fairy   but he cant reporduce on his own because he's male. But yes thorax is a good king.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 But at least he’s being a good king

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 But at least he’s being a good king

@Violet Fantasy shame on you king thorax.

@Violet Fantasy shame on you king thorax.

@Princess Starlaixy Arixes poor chrysalis.

@Princess Starlaixy Arixes poor chrysalis.

@Ananika Bhaskaran even if she chrysalis did reform her son thorax will never forgive her or welcome her back.

@Unicorn Fairy what about king sombra he worse than chrysalis.

@Unicorn Fairy what about king sombra he worse than chrysalis.

I will never forgive you for that king thorax.

I will never forgive you for that king thorax.

@Unicorn Fairy they think they are ponies.

@Unicorn Fairy they think they are ponies.

@Unicorn Fairy those changelings are acting like ponies.

@Unicorn Fairy those changelings are acting like ponies.

@Unicorn Fairy chrysalis is more cultured.

@Unicorn Fairy chrysalis is more cultured.

@Unicorn Fairy  so thorax is just a changeling who refuses his culture.

@Unicorn Fairy  so thorax is just a changeling who refuses his culture.

@Unicorn Fairy she just want her son thorax to be happy.

@Unicorn Fairy she just want her son thorax to be happy.

So even if she did reform thorax still wouldn't forgive her.

So even if she did reform thorax still wouldn't forgive her.

She is just worried that she let her son thorax down.

She is just worried that she let her son thorax down.

But I think differently than that. I think he is worried that her son thorax will never forgive her and never want her back.

But thorax us just her good for nothing son.

But thorax us just her good for nothing son.

@Unicorn Fairy because she actually keeps them love for herself and share it. Very selfish and greedy.

@Unicorn Fairy she is probably worried that thorax will never forgive her.

So thorax wings changed when he became satisfied.

So thorax wings changed when he became satisfied.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 I know right?!?!

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 I know right?!?!

Stealing a person life force that's so  weird.

Stealing a person life force that's so  weird.

@Unicorn Fairy but I think they real reason she didn't reform is because she is afraid that her son thorax will never forgive her.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Yep been evil is her specialty

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Yep been evil is her specialty

@Unicorn Fairy or ocelluess and her mom and dad and brother and sister.

@Unicorn Fairy or ocelluess and her mom and dad and brother and sister.

@Unicorn Fairy or pharynx who could do not better.

@Unicorn Fairy or pharynx who could do not better.

@Unicorn Fairy it was then one thing she was truly good at.

@Unicorn Fairy it was then one thing she was truly good at.

@Unicorn Fairy  unlike thorax who could do no wrong.

@Unicorn Fairy  unlike thorax who could do no wrong.

@Unicorn Fairy  they never gave her a chance.

@Unicorn Fairy  they never gave her a chance.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 That sounds logical

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 That sounds logical

@Unicorn Fairy maybe they did not notice it.

@Unicorn Fairy maybe they did not notice it.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 How come her children never called her “mom”?

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 royalty can be pretty strange

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 royalty can be pretty strange

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 But at least he’s the 👑 of Changeling Kingdom.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 That might be it

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 That might be it

She was so hurt by his words that she ran out crying.

She was so hurt by his words that she ran out crying.

Then he said go away and do not Come near.

Then he said go away and do not Come near.

Thorax said to her you have no place in this hive anymore you must leave.

Oceluss and her family tryed to reason with her. But she was not convinced and she didn't think so.

She then said I am leaving. Any that's not here. I am not staying here.

She then said I am leaving. Any that's not here. I am not staying here.

So she said you are just going to make me weak like him. So then she said I am out of here.

@Unicorn Fairy she probably was too angry to forgive her.

@Unicorn Fairy she probably was too angry to forgive her.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Well she refused starlight glimmer’s friendship

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Technically she decide to leave

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Technically she decide to leave

She was banished from there changeling kingdom.

She was banished from there changeling kingdom.

She said this it's bad enough that you betrayed me now you are replacing me.

And she blamed starlight for taking her everything away from her. And she blamed thorax for kicking her out. As well as replacing her.

@MoDX  she has no place in their hive anymore.

@MoDX  she has no place in their hive anymore.

@Unicorn Fairy  she is not queen anymore thorax replaced her and kick her out.

I think she did not reform because she knew that even if she did her son thorax would never forgive or welcome her back because because she was not a good mother to thorax. So every changeling likes him and every changeling hates her.

she's worried that her son thorax will never want her back. she is worried that she was not a good mother to thorax.

@Dr Anjali Shetty  lol true I was thinking the same thing

@Dr Anjali Shetty  lol true I was thinking the same thing

@Abrar Thank you! 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈

@Abrar Thank you! 🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈

@Abrar don’t tell me to calm down, I was just saying what I was thinking

@Abrar don’t tell me to calm down, I was just saying what I was thinking

@Matt Mercurio  I think Queen Chrysalis would look more beautiful with 🌈 colors!

😺🎩-Homina-homina-homina-homina! Who is this? Ohh!

Conrad-That's 👑 Chrysalis who is now reformed.

😺🎩- Awkward, yeah.

I for one think crysalis is perfect the way she is and reforming her would be a disservice to her unique character :) and devalue her past efforts. Yeah i really like her :3.

I was 🤔 she could be more pink and beautiful!!!

I was 🤔 she could be more pink and beautiful!!!

Finally... I found somebody coment about queen chrysalis reformed... Cause... Hell!! She is so beautiful!!! And the only one with the most brighter color too

@Eliza Villena no it isn't she never said or showed that

@Eliza Villena no it isn't she never said or showed that

@Noah yes! BUT EVEN BEATUFULER! Sorry rarity but chrysalis is taking ur place as the most buetofulest creature in equestria!

@Violet Fantasy I don’t know but I love his rainbow colors and he was already really cute anyway

@Dr Anjali Shetty He or she  said I’ve always wondered so he got the answer here

Her fav color is green so we can add it to the reformed changeling picture

Chrysalis needs a long calm hypnosis and then she can be reformed.

Chrysalis needs a long calm hypnosis and then she can be reformed.

Holy. A regal looking version of a reformed changeling, almost angelic.

Holy. A regal looking version of a reformed changeling, almost angelic.

@Dr Anjali Shetty she meant that she was wondering what she would look like reformed before he showed her

No offence lady ceag840 but I think he just showed you

No offence lady ceag840 but I think he just showed you


Wow! That's a very astute observation about Chrysalis and her hive: even though it was changed for the better (most would agree), this resulted in mass genocide of the Changeling culture 😨


Acutally if you think about it Thorax wasn't trying to turn the hive into ponies by celebrating hearths warming eve. If you watch "The Hearth's warming club" Ocellus says "It's out favorite Holiday! Well ever since heamare Twilight shared it with us last year." Thorax wasn't celebrating it to become ponies they celebrated it cause theh wanted to! But let me know what you guys think!

@The Lanktheist Yeah, sort of like how the hippogriffs have a celebration of being freed from the storm king.

I think thorax does "pony stuff" because that's the only positive influence he's ever had, he associates changeling stuff with hunger and suffering, but since the poinies welcomed him and showed him love, he probably associates them with "being good" so to be "good" he does pony stuff

@Lil' J Although, they could’ve done a holiday that celebrated their liberation from starvation, maybe even the Crystal Ponies would do that. It would’ve been cool to see the Hive have some sort of Hanukkah type of celebration.

Considering the only form of celebration they had was "a gorde fest", I honestly don't blame thorax for wanting his subjects to celebrate a new holiday


Cozy glow:
i've just realized that a filly won over a dark shadow prince, a giant red monster, a former queen of a civilization and discord
and I just wondered where is this filly's parents?

Cozy glows parents:  We were never here you never saw us and we weren't in a episode

I bet her parents sit around watching their version of FOX News.😾👻

Her parents were in her belly `cause she ate them.

Cozy Glow: wouldn’t you like to know,weather boy
Lily.Hahjim Kim:
Lily.Hahjim Kim: where are your parents

haha but yeah  I know right, best assume she was an orphan.  At least the writers left that part out.


Is anyone else concerned by the fact that they imprisoned then turned a child pony into stone without even considering reform or some other option of punishment or even consulting her parents. Like she appears to be the same age as the cutie mark crusaders or maybe a bit older. Like it’s the same as turning  Diamond Tiara in stone because she was at time a conflict. Like Cozy Glow went far pretty fast. But there was hardly any interaction between her and the main characters and any discussion on trying to help her. She wasn’t even a full grown pony,  like damn. Like maybe she need some kind of mental institute and a full time therapist and one on one friendship eduction and full time surveillance.  But again. She a kid. Not even full grown. She has no impulse control, she has not reach maturity. I don’t really like her that much but it still insane that they just straight up impressions her like she has the same reputation as Tirek who has been causing terror for thousands of year or Chrysalis who was a queen with an entire army.

Also. We all know the answer to Chrysalis reform is Fluffle Puff.

I think diamond tiara might have been known to be in capable of empathy entirely. I don’t understand why they needed to imprison them in stone thought, they could have just revamped Tartarus

@Jovanni Lopez if there was Tartarus/turned to stone/death wouldn't be the only options for the irredeemable.

@Jovanni Lopez if there was Tartarus/turned to stone/death wouldn't be the only options for the irredeemable.

There's no redemption for anyone who allies themselves with Tyrek. The only reason discord got away with it is he was betrayed and had friendship in his heart long before that. Plus Tyrek did manipulate him. Cozy was allied with him of her own volition

Yeah. I know it’s a kids’ show, one that won’t even say someone died before the events of the show, but from a Watsonian perspective what Cozy Glow really needed was probably a long stay in a mental hospital. Or maybe prison, but if you’re trying to reform her, definitely a mental hospital. It’s not even like cases somewhat similar to Cozy Glow don’t exist: I have heard of children who need to be placed in long-term psychiatric care because they were a danger to their families. (In the cases I’ve heard of, the kids did eventually get better and become functioning members of society, but it took years of therapy.) As Sawtooth’s pointed out, leaving Cozy Glow in stone for god knows how long is probably just going to make her eventual escape worse if and when it does happen.

@columbidaze You're jumping the gun here. Not once did I mention 'hitting', that is unless you consider spankings as a form of abuse, nor do I advocate for people to beat their children senseless in the name of 'discipline'.

 Discipline can take on many different forms. Whatever the method used, as long as it is effective at deterring people from misbehaving, it's a viable form of discipline. Discipline can take the form of timeouts, extra chores, no desserts, groundings, device and toy confiscation, spankings, community service, fines, and jail time just to name a few.

There is no justification in beating a child senseless as if you're in a drunken frenzy. That said, when all else fails, I've found through personal experience that the mere threat of a spanking was enough to deter me from misbehaving, at least some of the time. Every so often, I had to be reminded of just how painful a spanking can be, not just in effect, but also in anticipation.

To tell you the truth, I was a horrible, rotten problem child, prone to anger, and prone to violence. Prospects of landing in prison at 18 were very high when I was younger, but thanks to the Lord and to my parent's tough love, I really turned my life around. You would never be able to tell I harbored such a dark past based on how I conduct myself to this day.

Discipline works. It has throughout history, and it's necessary in order to develop people of merit. Otherwise, the practice of discipline would have died out long ago. Another important note is not to just go around disciplining them willy-nilly without explaining why, but to let the child know what he or she did wrong; why the child is being disciplined. That is the single most important aspect of childhood discipline.

@TimberJackEB also, hitting a child is not discipline, its been proven that all it does is traumatize them. the fact that you think its okay to hit a child to “correct” them says enough about your stance

@TimberJackEB i dont think you know how children work. shes like, ten at MOST. her brain is literally not fully developed. there is no possible way for her to ever understand the weight of what she did at such a young age, same goes for real children. they literally cannot comprehend it. children need to be disciplined, yes, but they dont deserve to be permanently imprisoned in fucking stone dude what

The same happened with Discord really, the mane 6 will probably give her another chance later on

The same happened with Discord really, the mane 6 will probably give her another chance later on

@King explosion murder fuck off Children understand their actions sooner than you might think. Discipline is key, especially in early childhood development. When you let a child get away with doing something bad because she's a kid, she's going to do it again, and you help to nurture the mentality of 'I'm going to do whatever I want at other people's expense, and no one will stop me, because I'm the most important being in the universe'.

Eventually, a child could commit a criminally atrocious act, such as grand theft or even murder. At some point, the line has to be drawn. Better to draw it sooner than later.

Was the punishment for Cozy Glow harsh. Absolutely, but bear in mind she threatened the National Security of Equestria and the neighboring realms, and she escaped from what is effectively a maximum security prison. She's a repeat offender that has established herself as a danger to society, and for the safety of the public, she needs to be detained, child or not.

@TimberJackEB Yes, we can turn 'a blind eye'to the antics of children. They are not fully developed at all, and don't understand.

@TimberJackEB Yes, we can turn 'a blind eye'to the antics of children. They are not fully developed at all, and don't understand.

@vikk biff Apparently Tartarus is ultimately just a edgy animal control/zoo rather than a place of damnation.<br>Due to the only "prisoners" in there aside from Tirek(and Cozy Glow) is just non-sapient monsters that just growls and stuff. Its surprising Tirek didn't lose his mind due to not having anyone that can actually talk back to him for a 1000 years.

@vikk biff Apparently Tartarus is ultimately just a edgy animal control/zoo rather than a place of damnation.
Due to the only "prisoners" in there aside from Tirek(and Cozy Glow) is just non-sapient monsters that just growls and stuff. Its surprising Tirek didn't lose his mind due to not having anyone that can actually talk back to him for a 1000 years.

@TimberJackEB I think the Royal Sisters were blinded with anger with how on their last days as rulers, they ended up looking like failures once again. And the fact they weren't included in the final rainbow laser, like it shows that despite they used the Elements before and their Cutie Marks were on the damn tree, losing their connection to the Elements apparently means Harmony has tossed Luna and Celestia aside.

@Serena Breeze Did they actually say that?<br>Did they say anything about Luna too? Like why is she retiring too?

@Serena Breeze Did they actually say that?
Did they say anything about Luna too? Like why is she retiring too?

Oliver The Oreo I wanna like but it’s 69 and I’m too immature for this Shit xD

Oliver The Oreo I wanna like but it’s 69 and I’m too immature for this Shit xD

@vikk biff well for one your forcing your definition of tartarus on there's wich could just be a maximum security prison.

@vikk biff well for one your forcing your definition of tartarus on there's wich could just be a maximum security prison.

Even slightly more disturbing is how Celestia sent her into Tartarus and that Tartarus even exists in the first place in this show.

@TinyKittenKisses dude its called a theory man you act like i just shot your dog and told you that your mother did it. Its a what if and perhaps situation that i thought up in my head. The reason i used the fanfic is that should that dude get rid of it all because its not "cannon". No one in this conversation was going to grab a pitch fork and go raid hasbro for warcrimes. Its a "what if the show keep going on and this happened or that.

@Jovanni Lopez do you think i care about a fanfiction some loser in arkansas wrote in his basement??? Why is that even an argument?? I didn't even read half of that response. Why would i care about that???<br>And the comics well, nothing that happens there matters, chrysallis lives in an european castle in the comic, twilight"s mother wrote daring do, sombra died peacefully, the comics don't matter cause they're not canon. If the comics that are official material don't matter, then i couldn't care less about some random fanfiction. Plus the final episode was years into the future and cozy is still trapped, just make peace with it

@Jovanni Lopez do you think i care about a fanfiction some loser in arkansas wrote in his basement??? Why is that even an argument?? I didn't even read half of that response. Why would i care about that???
And the comics well, nothing that happens there matters, chrysallis lives in an european castle in the comic, twilight"s mother wrote daring do, sombra died peacefully, the comics don't matter cause they're not canon. If the comics that are official material don't matter, then i couldn't care less about some random fanfiction. Plus the final episode was years into the future and cozy is still trapped, just make peace with it

@TinyKittenKisses no its to think theoretically about these scenarios in there own world or concepts. The show might be over but the comic books are still going and the most i was implying is that i hope that eventually they will let them out. Then there are the thousand of fanfiction, mods(for games), and projects would have stop at "its just a kid show". One of the most silly yet best mod inspired by mlp is for Herat of iron 4 called eqwestria at war and is also one of the most well made mods.  But obviously all there work and dedication to the project is pointless because its a kid show. Ok now lets move into the fanfiction side. Have you ever heard of bride of discord and daughter of discord? Well in my opinion these were done pretty well but obviously they should just throw it in a dumpster fire and burn  because when the show ended fluttercord did not become canon.

The way you say it makes it a wall of text that can invalidate any and everything in the community with just a "its a kid show, stop it". I dont know how you got this mindset when there were conventions with hundreds of people dressed up as ponys. That lined was crossed a LOOOOOONG time ago.

Also i just like theory crafting and thinking what if scenarios.

@Jovanni Lopez  what is a strong midset?? To cry and cry and cry a search for justice because little cartoon horse got punished in tv show and is not fair :( :(  yeah, you sure are the mature guy here

@Jovanni Lopez if it's a show for kids then don't over think it and demand legal u.s.a. based human child rights to a cartoon horse, don't lose sleep over the rights of a cartoon, as soon as the show ended that was it, she's not gonna be alone with her thoughts for thousands of centuries cause she and the show stopped existing. Geez these people

Maybe Cozy Glow had a hard life growing up

Maybe Cozy Glow had a hard life growing up

It's really lame and kinda stupid how she was made a villain in the first place. For a teensy little pegasus who goes from 0-60 in what, like, 3.5 episodes, she's pretty single dimensional. Why wasn't there a Fiendship is Magic issue released about her?

they did also reform someone who literally brainwashed an entire village

they did also reform someone who literally brainwashed an entire village

@TimberJackEB most likely not directly evil more like all opposition is stoned in her pursuit of HER version of equestrian. If anyone did anything ponys would consider a horrible act then no one would really care if they got stoned even if being traped in stone is literally the worst punishment i can think of other then death. Image you stuck in stone for hundreds of years never ageing or moving and all you have to do is think. These other creatures that have been alive for 1000 of years could handle it but having a normal life span of maybe 100 years stretched to infinity till someone thinks that your powers could be used for good?

This is like the one of those punishment worse then death forever imprisoned in your own mind till some princess decide they want you out for a lesson for there student?

@Jovanni Lopez You make a sound point. Thinking about it now, Tartarus was a good option, since the only reason Tirek and Cozy Glow managed to escape was because Discord released them. Other than that, I doubt there are many institutional correctional facilities or prisons in Equestria that could hold them.

I think ultimately, Discord had a big role in deciding their fate, and figured 'How about we petrify them, since they did much worse than me?'. This is pretty bad, but I think Discord takes losing his powers very personally, and was feeling spiteful. He isn't a saint, so I can see this being a possibility. Why no one in Equestria was concerned? Probably because the population suffers from extreme psychological and empathetic ignorance, as is demonstrated many times throughout the show. Why, Celestia and Luna thought it was a good idea to petrify Discord, so I'm sure they saw no problems with this.

Maybe ponies aren't as forgiving as we previously thought, to fire and forget on these villains. It's also something of note that Gorgons keep gardens of petrified creatures, and are seen as evil. Celestia does the same, keeping Discord as one of her lawn ornaments. Who is to say those other statues aren't actually sentient creatures? Is Celestia Secretly evil?

@TimberJackEB you are not telling me that in all of equestrian there is not a single prison that does not involve some princes or discord to send them there. Are you really trying to say that no on ever anywhere had mental issues at all or have some people that need help. Like for instance manhatten im pretty sure would have an asylum or even a prison in a max security im pretty sure someone could teleport her there and if you cant trust the guards people code visit here like twilight and celestia. Putting a psychopath into a position were the only things they have left to do is talk to them selfs will not just "magically" fix the problem if you keep her there for 10 50 100 or how many years they decide this time. Even putting her back in tarterus is 1000 times better and gets the job done still.

@Jovanni Lopez Equestria couldn't afford to release Cozy Glow due to the danger she posed to Equestria. When you give a psychopath room to stretch their legs, there needs to be someone significantly stronger than the psychopath in question to make sure they stay in line. It wouldn't take much for Cozy to use her cunning or small stature to escape whoever was assigned to her. If she goes missing, she can scheme about getting payback. Knowing her, she will stumble on a great source of power and once again be a serious threat.

Each of the three villains imprisoned in stone at one point threatened the fate of Equestria, twice (or more), and Cozy Glow is no exception. They need to be kept under, or they will threaten Equestria yet again. Besides, there needs to be repercussions for their actions.

@TinyKittenKisses why does anyone even watch this stupid shit? Who cares? Its obviously for children and you have no reason to have an opinion and should not even be here.

This can also be considered a stupid take by people.

@Daniel Rosales dude shes a psychopath and the best thing you could think of is trap her in her head for who knows how many years?

@Daniel Rosales dude shes a psychopath and the best thing you could think of is trap her in her head for who knows how many years?

@TimberJackEB a yes send a child with mental issues to be alone in her thoughts for who knows how many years? Is she going to be about the age of an adult before they let her out? If she was not ok before how is being turned to stone help her at all? When she does come out she will not have the mental capacity of here age with no one to talk to is completely fine and a just punishment. Even if anyone with eyes sees that she needs to be in a mental health institute.

@Gracekim24 bro that does not matter you don't run up to a psychopath and yell in there face be good and then shoot then if they day no. She needs to be in a hospital and what if she is completely sentient in the stone? Discord and tirec are ancient beings and would probably be fine but the queen was losing her marbles being alone for a couple months and you think giving a life sentence to a child is the with the inability to move or stretch or blink or sleep is the best thing the could do?

Honestly I know many people believe Cozy Glow to be a Psycopath but she reminds me so much of Baby Doll from Batman. Baby Doll struggled between reality and illusions because she was physically unable to age. She went off the deep end even worse than Cozy Glow did in that instead of just imprisoning people and wanting to rule she wanted to take the entire city of Gotham down in a nuclear Explosion and tried to kill off the entire cast of her show because of the conflict waging deep within her subconscious. Even after all that she still managed to finally give up evil for good and even attempted to live a normal life. What if Cozy Glow faced a similar issue? If not by actually being a adult in child form then maybe she was forced to grow up really fast because she was practically raising Herself?

We don't have any REAL confirmation that Cozy is indeed a Filly. She could be a fully grown but very short pony. She seems to have a more advanced mind than real Fillies like the CMC.

@Serena Breeze that's so dumb, an evil child is a classic trope in entertaintment, but now they have to justify it, cause  people can't stop crying about it

At the last bronycon, the show's creators said that Cozy Glow was actually grown pony that just looks like a child, almost like those possession movies where a demon takes over the body of a child.

these people are so annoying, who cares if she's a child, is a CARTOON, is a series finale villain!  who cares, such a dumb take

these people are so annoying, who cares if she's a child, is a CARTOON, is a series finale villain!  who cares, such a dumb take

Just use actual #RehabilitativeJustice & depetrify them, put them in prison for life & have various counsellors talk to them daily; which is what should've been done with Tirek & Cozy Glow in the 1st place.
Even if they don't reform, whatever's learned from couselling them can be used in dealing with others initially displaying criminal behaviour.

They have to male fluffle puff canon and make her reform crysalis

They have to male fluffle puff canon and make her reform crysalis

Diamond Tiara and Cozy Glow are two different things for goodness sake... Diamond Tiara was just self absored and that was it... Cozy Glow is ponyfied psychosis... Cozy Glow planned each and every single detail for world domination... And another thing, Cozy Glow posed a huge threat, not once, TWICE... That alone is enough reason why she deserves to be imprisoned

I beg to differ. Child or no, Cozy Glow was a dangerous opponent who committed serious crimes, and she must atone for those crimes, as well as be rendered powerless. We often turn a blind eye to the antics of children, since we believe they don't know any better and they can't do any real harm. Cozy on the other hand demonstrated that she knew exactly what she was doing and sought power in a way not too dissimilar to other power hungry individuals. In doing so, Cozy Glow endangered nearly all of Equestria. If a dangerous person like that was to get off scott free, who knows what they may try next.

Children deserve less is a common argument people like to make. I can see where they're coming from. Normally, a slap on the wrist and a stern 'NO!', or maybe a spanking would be enough to get a child to think twice before doing that again. Not so with Cozy. It was highly likely Cozy would be a repeat offender, and that is way more headache than what Equestria is willing to put up with. With that, I feel imprisonment was the best option, at least temporarily, until a time where reconditioning wouldn't be a problem.

If she didn't get trapped in taurturaus I'd agree

If she didn't get trapped in taurturaus I'd agree

🤦♀she turned down Twilight’s offer. She can NOT be reformed.

🤦♀she turned down Twilight’s offer. She can NOT be reformed.

Chrysalis + Fluffle Puff = MLP OTP and Chrysalis reformed :3

Chrysalis + Fluffle Puff = MLP OTP and Chrysalis reformed :3

I definitely flinched when they changed her to stone. Like DUDE SHE'S A CHILD WAIT!!!?!? I know she probably always uses that to her advantage but... 😬 Yikes. Hey mlp there's an imprisoned child caught in your nicely tied bow!

i fully agree with everything you said but mostly that last sentence

i fully agree with everything you said but mostly that last sentence


That plan for Chrysalis is actually brilliant. It gets a thumbs up from me.


I would wish that the reformed changelings looked like reformed Chrysalis in this video, instead of the abominations that they do in the show.


"First of all, we've gotta keep them apart." *Co-dependance*
Also, this video is SO good. Gotta admit, I didn't think you'd be able to convince me there was a way to reform Chrysalis, but this checks out. Can't wait to see the other two!

"First of all, we've gotta keep them apart." **Co-dependance**
Also, this video is SO good. Gotta admit, I didn't think you'd be able to convince me there was a way to reform Chrysalis, but this checks out. Can't wait to see the other two!


Neat theory and way to break down her motivations in the actual episode! My one issue is her “reformed version” in this video. It looks too much like a pony and not like the other reformed changelings (which would almost seem to reinforce the very thing Chrysalis is afraid of).


Only reforming Discord took almost 3 seasons and he was willing to give friendship a try. Chrysalis doesn't even bother to give it a chance, completely reforming her would be a miracle.

@p i n k b v n n y Get her some loving parents

@p i n k b v n n y Get her some loving parents

@Fresh2000 ZCORD A code of conduct isn't always good. A code of conduct is a code of conduct. It can be good or bad. For Chrysalis, it's obviously bad.

@Mild Monster Because people from Hasbro are idiots, who were blocking creators from making series actually great. Cause it is for "little girls" BS. Gladly lot of that was delivered Dark Souls style, through indirect story telling and team has more free hands in the spoin off series. For reminder Hasbro actually move production to another studio during finale! It is quite obvious that plot collapse in the middle.

@TheRezro Midnight Sparkle was never in the cards, the main series actively avoided trying to mention stuff from EG as if it never existed

@ADF That's why I think there's some potential

@ADF That's why I think there's some potential

Discord was easy because he's not really evil (compared to others) just a prankster
Chrysalis has potential in her to be reformed so she shouldn't be too hard.
Cozy glows past isn't known much about so she might be hard to reform.
Teirk is impossible
King Sombra is also impossible because... Well... R.I.P 2x

she actually nearly did at the part she almost took Starlight's hoof

True, but you must admit sawtooths method is better than celestias

True, but you must admit sawtooths method is better than celestias

But there is one more who could help and that's larynx.

But there is one more who could help and that's larynx.

She might be worried that her son thorax will never forgive her.

She might be worried that her son thorax will never forgive her.

lets remember he still did...questionable things. he had ab ackdrop when tirek apperaed and...we do not mention him getting 4 villains like sombra back

It did not take three seasons to reform discord

It did not take three seasons to reform discord

Maybe for cozy glow and tirek is too late to change. Because i saw that they are completely emotionless. But i dont think chrysalis  deep down really hated mane six and starlight. I think chrysalis had a posibility of changing. Starlight could. And she did horrible things too but not  than  enslaving whole canterlot by pretending to be princess cadence. By using hive to help. Or replace the mane six and others.  She created portals. And changed the future which is worse than what chrysalis did. She enslaved the whole city by taking their cutie marks away making them believe cutie marks are a distraction to their purpose. Starlight was far more dangerous. Than chrysalis and she could change. So i believe chyrsalis could too

As you did say it took almost 3 seasons, to fully reform. Each teacher has their own way of teaching, and so maybe they're could be someone close who could teach crystalist ways to become better. Not a complete change but a change to start to go down a calmer path

@Das Institut i agree... But it might take awhile, so unless someone snaps her into the reality of it, that won't happen anytime soon...

@TheRezro WHERE TF DO YOU GET THESE INFO TO MAKE IT AN THEORY?

@TheRezro WHERE TF DO YOU GET THESE INFO TO MAKE IT AN THEORY?

@Mike Angelo吴耀辉 Are you serious? This is literally a theory site. I could say more detail, but you don't sound as someone who care to listen.

@TheRezro everything your saying is pure BS 1 Celestia isn't Sombra's daughter or grand daughter 2 discord is THE SPIRIT OF CHAOS not some being from another timeline tf

@TheRezro your acting like your ThEoRy is a fact

@TheRezro your acting like your ThEoRy is a fact

@TheRezro Is the evidence for this theory based on the comics?

@TheRezro Is the evidence for this theory based on the comics?

@Celine Rosali Adopted. Possibility yes. what is more important is that Twilight is his actual doughtier (which is why she end as a queen). The funny thing is that we do know that she has Nirik form, from first season. Just no one make connection. Lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQ6xZ6qTz8

@Celine Rosali This comment is like over a year old and it's still getting replies xD.

@laszlo zsurka I think it was comic related or something

@laszlo zsurka I think it was comic related or something

Discord didn't want to give it a chance in the beginning, either.

Discord didn't want to give it a chance in the beginning, either.

No, it would just be more of a fight then that!!!

No, it would just be more of a fight then that!!!

@Play and be creative🧁 She is not as bad as people think. She in fact love her hive, but doesn't know how to behave always being center of attention. Also she has good reasons to be suspicious regard ponies, knowing that they use Shadow magic. Plus people seams to forget that Ocellus old form, coincidently look exactly the same as Chrysalis. Sadly this fact was never explored. Turning Cozy into stone was also BS as she is still a kid and they straight forget that Tirek also did have some development (he was lonely with harsh father, what lead him to creating himself a brother, who then start walking with dragon and obsessing over ponies, what angered him). Sadly because Hasbro randomly moved production during finale, we can't know what was intended ending. Beside that everything implied for Midnight Sparkle to be final boss. As well, it is where friendship they did build through the show, would stop be fueled by weird magic what bounded them. And we would see them dealing with they bad sides, we only hear about until now. And finally become true friends. But nop!

@ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄ Because YouTube love to not give notifications. Also there was no reason to do so anyway. He make obvious statement that those are theory (d'oh) and then obliviously bring own theories as facts. But if you interested then when Zecora ask Twilight to use unicorn magic on potion, she did use same magic what Sombra did. Also full name of Trixie is Lulamoon. Starlight and Flurry Heart look almost identical (and there is mentioned in the show several times that apparently Starlight and Twilight also, but they do have different colors, but that is not relevant here directly). Discord also make weird attack on Starlight, which he literally never meet her, accusing her of being "power hungry pony". People also miss that he was no villain, but only extremely suspicious regard Celestia. And there are implications that she was different in the past, what is something Sunset Shimmer did comment about when she meet her. There is lot of hints. Either more or less direct.

ʍou ʇɥƃᴉɹ pᴉdnʇs ʞooʅ no⅄

No gaps enough the friendship is magic is true really really true.

No gaps enough the friendship is magic is true really really true.

Chrysalis never reforming she is very bad but the video I see Tirek Cosy Glow Chrysalis together work thats look like friendship but I like this video so much.

@TheRezro i really would like to know where you take your sources. Because most of what you said seems to be theories based on hasards and coincidences.

Shadow magic is just(evil) magic, anyone could use it if he learned how to do it. I think the part where the shadow magic is showed as Alicorn magic is a weird mistake of the serie since it is not specified why Twilight use it instead of her usual magic and shadow magic would contradict the benevolent nature of the Alicorns. There was a video on it about how it didn't make much sense for Twilight to use this type of magic.
So she do magic when she is angry, how is that a proof or her lineage? what Minotaur?
Starlight and Trixie are Celestia and Luna now? you're being more and more confusing, you know?
Discord isn't particularly pleasant with anyone he doesn't know.
All of this seems overly complicated and dark, especially for a kid show.

@Éfar Isti Crystal ponies are result of crystal heart. It is why they not show up that commonly later. Canterlot also has unusual concentration of unicorns, same as Pegasopolis of Pegazi. They don't show up that commonly in other towns. Evidence for identity of Clover is how he react on spell and where he show up. I'm not talking about nature of tree but the spirit. If you pay attention discoloring of stones in documents aren't mistake. There is distinctive lack of one orb in planetarium, what later is revealed to be in possession of spike. It is green one and Rarity is actually one who own core element on diagram. Weird spiky element of Twilight is not present there.

Twilight, Celestia and Sombra are also only characters who can use Shadow magic, what in event with foresight potion is confirmed to be alicorn magic. Twilight also tend to turn a blaze when angry (so called Rapidash Twilight) and Minotaur said that she born under the tree, with her parents ignoring to address that entirely. There is also recurring joke about similarity of Twilight and Starlight, usually by foreign beings. Starlight and Trixie Lulamoon are also no one else then young Celestia and Luna. Also implied when Discord went super salty against Starlight, despite never talking to her beforehand. There is lot of evidence, though I admit that it is Dark Souls level of storytelling.

@TheRezro And where are your evidence of that? If the empire was the capital of Equestria, why was inhabited only by cristal ponies and not by earth ponies, pegasus and unicorns? why Celestia and Luna were the ruler of Equestria when Amore was still in power? they rules over Equestria, and there is no indication that it was a "vassal state". Clover the Clever is Sombra? what are the evidences of that? and no the Wendigos are not the sirens, they look different, they don't sings and they still exists in Equestria unlike the Sirens.

The tree was born from the magic planted by Starswill ans his companions, that is a canon fact, not the shadow ponie, i mean, we have seens his episodes, he clearly have nothing to do with it. You should be carefull with considering the comics canon, they don't always go in tune with the series.

@Éfar Isti Crystal Empire is Equestria, or at least its old capital. That part isn't even a theory. Plus city itself was ruled by Princes Amore in comic. We can safely assume that Celestia and Luna were her relatives ruling over vasal states after events of Hearts Warming Eve (they find crystal heart in mines, what impact Clover the Clever aka Sombra, as Wendigo are clearly the Sirens and he himself was Kirin).

The reason Chrysalis don't trust the ponies is because she know who secretly control them and what is true nature of Spirit of the Harmony aka the Shadow. In Agents of SMILE comic, it is confirmed that Battle with Tirek was staged. Despite acting like ass, Tirek did hold tears when his niece visit him in the prison. He also ostentatiously ignore Spike, as he is still salty, afer Spike served under him during Midnight Empire as Scorpan adjutant.

@TheRezro he was king of the crystal empire, not Equestria and Celestia and Luna ruled it before he came to the scene. That's true but they can also change from bad to worse.

Yeah she care... in her own ways i guess. and her reasons to distrust ponies are lighttly questionnable since she's the one who attack them first.

Not after his betrayal, he didn't or have you forget what he said to Discord after taking his magic the first time?

@Éfar Isti Also that:
https://youtu.be/yYvGN13vqHM?t=180

@Éfar Isti Also that:
https://youtu.be/yYvGN13vqHM?t=180

@Éfar Isti Sombra is king of the Equestria and peoples change. Chrysalis care about her hive and have legit reason to distrust ponies. Whole, she is evil because evil would undermine whole message of this franchise. Even Tirek who still is ass, at least do care about his shadowy brother.

@TheRezro and what support do you have that Celestia is by any ways related to Sombra? she's weirdly benevolent for a power hungry pony witch. And that Discord come from another timeline? And Midnight Sparkle, daughter of Sombra? really? As far as i know, Chrysalis and Ocellus are two different peoples and chrysalis has proved through the whole serie that she is evil, i don't undestand what make you think she's not. Taking control of neiboring realms is not securing borders, it's invasion, you know? Young Celestia?

@laszlo zsurka discord cares as hes capable of feeling remorse and he does want to be good, his fear thought process just isn't to care a lot of times

@marinus18 wat code does chrysalis have? She isnt really honorable

@marinus18 wat code does chrysalis have? She isnt really honorable

Also if you look at the attack on Cantor lot from a changing perspective, they were literally just trying to survive, As you know, they eat emotions eze food and as such need other sentient beings to feed off of.

It's like the terranids from warhammer 40K, yeah there big and scary but they're not "evil"

@laszlo zsurka and even as a God he CHOSE friendship

@laszlo zsurka and even as a God he CHOSE friendship

@marinus18 Why should Discord care? He's the most overpowered character in the show, he's basically a GOD. He can do anything he wants.

Discord also doesn't really care about anything. He doesn't have some kind of code or morality that he works with unlike Chrysalis. Chrysalis does have a code of conduct; a warped code but a code nonetheless.

Thats why Chrysalis is my favorite antagonist

Thats why Chrysalis is my favorite antagonist

@Modern Queen Oop- your right-<br>I can see Cozy Glow and Chrysalis{possibly chrysalis} Reform

@Modern Queen Oop- your right-
I can see Cozy Glow and Chrysalis{possibly chrysalis} Reform

Ha. Good luck trying to talk Tirek into reforming.

Ha. Good luck trying to talk Tirek into reforming.

which is why all of this headcanon will only occur in your dreams

which is why all of this headcanon will only occur in your dreams

@laszlo zsurka It is something called a theory. There are arguments to support most of those claims.

Dude....at some point even she must realize that her desire and her goal are lost causes.

@TheRezro discord came from a different timeline?

@TheRezro discord came from a different timeline?

Reforming Discord take zero seasons because he never was a villain. He actually has a point for most of the time and justifiably was convinced that Celestia is "power hungry pony witch" (cause she was in his timeline as granddaughter of the Sombra). When Twilight released him he still suspect trickery but acknowledged that current incarnation of Shadow Pony isn't evil anymore (PS: Midnight Sparkle as Sombra's doughtier, clearly should be final boss of whole series). Same Chrysalis (aka Ocellus) is not evil. But she did know truth about Shadow over the Equestria and didn't trust minions of Shadow even slightly. She actually deeply cared about own hive and was trying secure border by taking control over potentially hostile country. Her only problem was that she was jealous and in her bias failed to recognize change in current timeline. Her imprisonment in the end was bullshit! Though I love how young Celestia wrecked her in the combat. Probably only good part in show finale.

and just imagine how reforming cozy will turn out.

and just imagine how reforming cozy will turn out.


Chrysalis is an epic Queen, she deserved a better end


When I first saw Pharynx, I thought he was just pretty cool at first. But now after watching this, he feels like the most underrated MLP character EVER created. I love him so much now, that I want to turn him into a leather jacket XD.
Also, for the subject of Chrysalis's true nature, you should cut her some slack. I mean, she was physically manifested into existence almost the exact same way Gunmar was...

...by Star Munch the Beardo!


their language: reforming chrysalis

me, an intellectual: metamorphosis

dood i accidentally deleted this comment lmfao

their language: reforming chrysalis

me, an intellectual: *metamorphosis*

dood i accidentally deleted this comment lmfao


I’d imagine cozy glow’s parents crying in front of the statue every once in a while and maybe even bring flowers, I was hoping that maybe cozy glow could be freed when Twilight sparkle meets cozy glow’s parents


Cozy is VERY manipulative SERIOUSLY<br>Her "cuteness" is her only power

Cozy is VERY manipulative SERIOUSLY
Her "cuteness" is her only power

Think about Plague of Babies. They had what <i>looked like</i> normal Earth babies, but they were actually aliens, not babies. Therefore Cozy Glow is an alien.

Think about Plague of Babies. They had what _looked like_ normal Earth babies, but they were actually aliens, not babies. Therefore Cozy Glow is an alien.

Candy Peach
I’ll try to answer your questions, and help you with clearing things up! Mind that some of this might draw on comic details and past generations, as well as the Mlpfim cartoon.

1. Yes, Cosy Glow is a filly; a young female pony that is not fully matured, which in MLP is the equivalent of a child or a teenager.  A filly is a girl, a colt is a boy.  A foal can either be a girl or a boy.  Once they grow up and become adults, they become a mare or a stallion(I doubt geldings exist in this universe, as they’re a neutered stallionXD).

2. Because Tirek craves power, and that blinds one to other ways of doing things.  Once you base your life only on what you can take from others, you will always crave more and never be satisfied.  He’s wanted to steal pony magic from the moment he heard of Equestria, so I suspect he never saw them as actual “people”; just a means to an end.

3. No idea why she can’t make a new hive; her requirements for reproduction were never brought up.  Though since she’s based off of a colony insect queen, and said insect queens rely on mating with a male from their own hive(unless a foreign male finds her, and there don’t appear to be any other colonies), it’s safe to say that her ability to fertilize eggs is beyond her reach as long as she stays alienated from her original, reformed hive.

4. There’s a huge difference between receiving love and understanding love, and if you don’t understand it it’s hard to accept it.  As well, capable leadership doesn’t  require that you love those you lead; just that their well-being matters in your overall choices.  Her inability to understand love is cannon; it’s just food and a source of power to her.  From the examples of hive life we’ve been given, love was never actually encouraged.  While she appreciated her drone’s services, raised them and sought to keep them fed, she was otherwise a cold leader.  She didn’t discourage in-fighting or bullying, she didn’t actively give love(craving superiority and power over lessers), and otherwise acted like a typical queen ant or bee.

A lot of that comes from her origins, as well.  Basically, a rotten acorn fell into a mysterious, toxic underground pool filled with the bones of deceased unicorns.  The acorn grew in near-darkness out of the bubbling, green waters into a twisted tree whose branches contained Venus flytrap-like pods with fanged teeth, feeding on the equally twisted and blood-sucking flying insects living there.  Unfortunately Starswirl the Bearded found the underground swamp, recognized the dark magic it was filled with, and nailed a warning sign to the tree to keep people away.  That nail allowed the bark to crack open further, and out spewed Chrysalis and the first few changeling drones, hissing at each other angrily and violently.  Let’s just say she was not born of anything resembling “good”.

5. Lord Tirek is a centaur prince, and has a race of centaurs like him back in his homeland; including his mentor who introduced him to equestrian magic through a kidnapped unicorn- right before the king banished Tirek’s mentor to the mines for his crimes(Tirek’s dad was P*SSED).  I suspect that because humans don’t exist in the Mlpfim universe, a centaur isn’t half a human/half horse fusion, but it’s own kind of creature.  Despite there being humans in G1, the humans had to be brought to the MLP world through some sort of mystical transportation by one of the G1 MLP.  The humans in G1 owned perfectly normal horses, like we do.  There was a manticore earlier in the series, showing that in this universe a manticore is much different kind of creature than Tirek.

Hope that helps!

Candy Peach
I’ll try to answer your questions, and help you with clearing things up! Mind that some of this might draw on comic details and past generations, as well as the Mlpfim cartoon.

1. Yes, Cosy Glow is a filly; a young female pony that is not fully matured, which in MLP is the equivalent of a child or a teenager.  A filly is a girl, a colt is a boy.  A foal can either be a girl or a boy.  Once they grow up and become adults, they become a mare or a stallion(I doubt geldings exist in this universe, as they’re a *neutered* stallionXD).

2. Because Tirek craves power, and that blinds one to other ways of doing things.  Once you base your life only on what you can take from others, you will always crave more and never be satisfied.  He’s wanted to steal pony magic from the moment he heard of Equestria, so I suspect he never saw them as actual “people”; just a means to an end.

3. No idea why she can’t make a new hive; her requirements for reproduction were never brought up.  Though since she’s based off of a colony insect queen, and said insect queens rely on mating with a male from their own hive(unless a foreign male finds her, and there don’t appear to be any other colonies), it’s safe to say that her ability to fertilize eggs is beyond her reach as long as she stays alienated from her original, reformed hive.

4. There’s a huge difference between receiving love and understanding love, and if you don’t understand it it’s hard to accept it.  As well, capable leadership doesn’t  require that you love those you lead; just that their well-being matters in your overall choices.  Her inability to understand love is cannon; it’s just food and a source of power to her.  From the examples of hive life we’ve been given, love was never actually encouraged.  While she appreciated her drone’s services, raised them and sought to keep them fed, she was otherwise a cold leader.  She didn’t discourage in-fighting or bullying, she didn’t actively give love(craving superiority and power over lessers), and otherwise acted like a typical queen ant or bee.

A lot of that comes from her origins, as well.  Basically, a rotten acorn fell into a mysterious, toxic underground pool filled with the bones of deceased unicorns.  The acorn grew in near-darkness out of the bubbling, green waters into a twisted tree whose branches contained Venus flytrap-like pods with fanged teeth, feeding on the equally twisted and blood-sucking flying insects living there.  Unfortunately Starswirl the Bearded found the underground swamp, recognized the dark magic it was filled with, and nailed a warning sign to the tree to keep people away.  That nail allowed the bark to crack open further, and out spewed Chrysalis and the first few changeling drones, hissing at each other angrily and violently.  Let’s just say she was not born of anything resembling “good”.

5. Lord Tirek is a centaur prince, and has a race of centaurs like him back in his homeland; including his mentor who introduced him to equestrian magic through a kidnapped unicorn- right before the king banished Tirek’s mentor to the mines for his crimes(Tirek’s dad was P*SSED).  I suspect that because humans don’t exist in the Mlpfim universe, a centaur isn’t half a human/half horse fusion, but it’s own kind of creature.  Despite there being humans in G1, the humans had to be brought to the MLP world through some sort of mystical transportation by one of the G1 MLP.  The humans in G1 owned perfectly normal horses, like we do.  There was a manticore earlier in the series, showing that in this universe a manticore is much different kind of creature than Tirek.

Hope that helps!

@Brandon Hill
The problem is children can be as violent and cruel as the adults...if not worse.
In war torn countries there are gangs of children who rob and pillage villages.

And I hate cute stuff. And I try to stay away from it.

Her cutie mark says "check mate" so I think she's cunning

@DracoSerpentisCruor or as I said maybe Cosmos' daughter, you can reform everyone but Cosmos

I would not be surprised if her mother is Cosmos

@DracoSerpentisCruor That's <i>exactly</i> what I meant.

@DracoSerpentisCruor That's _exactly_ what I meant.

Brandon Hill i think what she meant by that is that, her physical form is a filly, but her mind is something else more sinister and a lot smarter than most could have anticipated. Maybe the reincarnation of Grogar? jk

@Jennifer Smith no, thats been confirmed that she IS just a Filly, a very misinformed and therefore dangerous Filly, but still just a Filly

@Brandon Hill I'm starting to think Cozy isn't <i>actually</i> a filly...

@Brandon Hill I'm starting to think Cozy isn't _actually_ a filly...

I think that’s why she should be reformed last, if the 2 closest things to friends she has accept friendship that will make it much easier to reform her

no, her cuteness is but a weapon, her power is being able to chessmaster at such a young age.  Cozy was able to play the long game building up to the events of School Raze, building a reputation, maneuvering her pieces, so much of Season 7 was devoted just to that little Filly and her prep work for a world takeover attempt that came damn close to succeeding.  and think on this, she WAS just a filly, not a millennium old super power, but a filly of tender years.


Now I really want to see this in the actual series


chrysalis would become the friend who over shares their feelings


Ember embraced friendship but she was proud to be a dragon. While she was somewhat frustrated with her position she never faced rejection or outright hostility like Thorax did. She felt accepted by her culture and wanted to prove herself in it. Thorax never felt like he belonged with his own people.


Imagine if Hasbro actually watches these to get ideas for the My Little pony show


Reforming these three would be an insane mission for whoever dares to try.

@Sawtooth Waves was thorax chrysalis's son?

@Sawtooth Waves I wouldn't feel too sorry for chrysalis. Don't worry I'd there one thing I am sure of is that chrysalis is gone. Probably just the old hive settling.

Discord: "Wait,did someone jusy say "insane mission?!" I REALLY like the sound of that,so count me in!" 😳

@Im XxWolfie_RockruffxX I am all for that bud lol. Doc Wolf would be.... kindness? Idk. I honestly feel like they represent different things than the elements.... they represent the different views and aspects of theory 😎

@Awsome Geek maybe the 6th member can be Magpiepony

Alright so someone help me with what they 'represent ' but here is what I got:
1 obviously Sawtooth
2 Mlp-Silver-Quill
3 Dr Wolf
4 CannedCream
5 HoriXZ0n
6??? Help haha

Yeah, they might pretend to be nice but you wont know if they're plotting something evil behind ya!

˚✧₊⁎Audrey⁎⁺˳✧

The Phoenix 3000 and speaking of discord you can join sawtooth’s discord at Patreon.com/SawtoothWaves Edit:please do everything wrong with Th3birdman

Bruh you actually replied. I'm going to think through my own opinion for their reformation soon

@Sawtooth Waves i bet 5000000 bits<br>I've searched it up, 2 bits=25¢

@Sawtooth Waves i bet 5000000 bits
I've searched it up, 2 bits=25¢

I think Sawtooth has got this. Brohoof

What if you got your own team together to be a new 'main 6' witch a purpose of extreme reformation? ....

I'm doing my research for YouTubes best bronies and pegasisters now hehe......

Well reforming discord wasn't that easy either

Sawtooth Can you please do everything wrong with Th3birdman