As a recovering opiate addict, I hope I can adequately convey the absolute HELL it is to withdraw in prison
I was infinitely more scared of that, than I was death
A heroin addict is driven to do horrible things in order to avoid withdrawals
I stole from family, I sold drugs knowing the cops were following me and I’d be caught eventually, I robbed people
I’d have killed myself before going through those withdrawals

I’d NEVER be able to commit those crimes as a sober man, but that FEAR is what drove me on
I didn’t get drugs to get high anymore I got drugs to feel normal for a while

I’m sitting in rehab at the moment, a couple months in... early days in my recovery but I remind myself every day how real that fear is

@Davie Jay Congratulations, my friend ❤  Stay well

@Tam Anon I’m still in treatment, coming up on 6 months
I’m in a second stage house, in the process of getting into some college courses so I’ll have a career when I leave here

So yes, it’s been a productive time here 👍

4 months later I hope you got the help you needed.

@Brent Farvors I guess your someone who believes addiction is a choice. Not a disease.

When I tell you I feel you 100%. I would rather do ANYTHING than going through withdrawals. I’ve done mane many things I’m not proud of. One day at a time!

@Davie Jay proud of you for 5 months clean

@Christian Morales doin OK,  5 months clean is coming soon
Wish I could say I’m loving it all but
I’ve been pretty down for weeks.. not depressed just hopeless about my future. Like my best days are behind me n there’s no point in going through all this. Don’t want to do drugs but not feeling any love for life either

I started weaning off methadone a few weeks ago... plan is to get to a low enough dose to allow me to switch to suboxone then get the subutex injections. Hoping it’s just the methadone sucking the life out of me
It does lower testosterone... not only that but it limits my ability to work having to rely on getting to a pharmacy every day

(Not sure you really wanted to know all that but... there it is lol)

@C Z yeah I thought so bc there aren't  many sharing this perspective on the addiction epidemic, I read his book and then later found the TED talk.

@Ariadne's Child I just looked him up and it IS him! :) It was fascinating when I first heard his talk, "Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong". In fact I listened to it multiple times just to let it sink in. It answered all the questions I needed on addiction.

@C Z it might have been Johan Hari he also wrote a book called chasing the scream.

Been clean roughly 15 years.  And anytime I think about dope I remind myself about laying in a holding cell covered in piss & garbage going through withdrawals . sometimes waiting for days to be sent to Rikers island only to repeat the process for another two days before  getting medical attention. And they give you the lowest amount possible of method. That memory alone is enough to keep you on the straight and narrow.

The literature  says that withdrawal symptoms only last a few days, but that's not accurate. After being put on pain medication for a year, taking it multiple times a day (I have a painful neurological  disease) I became physically dependent. I tried to wean myself many times, and a few weeks times cold turkey. After going 5 days without, the withdrawals were still there and getting worse, not better. The skin crawling, insomnia, severe stomach cramps, it was hell. I used to judge addicts. I no longer do.

@Brent Farvors Start smoking, when you are sure you got addicted, try to quit smoking. Then multiply that fear of withdrawal with 100 (i guess). Then hopefully you'll stop asking silly questions :)

I heard addictions are people trying to survive emotionally as they could not bear to be present in their lives. It's not the addicts are at fault. It's the lack of healthy human interaction/relationships. Once they are connected with supportive family and/or friends there's no need to turn to excessive drugs, computer games, sex etc for comfort. There's also a TED talk on this I can't remember who it was though. I agree 100%. This helps me understand the struggles of addiction. Hope this helps you in some ways too.

@Brent Farvors I mean he literally explained it for you right here. There's a reason addicts who want to quit can't just stop yaknow. Imagine a schizophrenia man with a chronic condition that makes them feel excruciating pain constantly, which is solved through medication, and then one day he loses access to his medication, and that's somewhat similar to what withdrawal would be like. That's not to say it's actually what withdrawal is but rather it's to give an idea of the severity of it.

Wish you all the best with your recovery <3

My depression and withdrawal mingled together like some kind of mad symphony ball room dance and I didn’t know where withdrawals began and depression ended.<br>Jeff

My depression and withdrawal mingled together like some kind of mad symphony ball room dance and I didn’t know where withdrawals began and depression ended.
Jeff

If you don’t mind… How many bags were you doing daily, how long did it take to get through acute withdrawal’s, and how does your body and mind feel now?

This is why communities need to invest in Suboxone/methadone maintenance instead of investing in police departments .

stay strong brother just remember it can only get better

But, my question is; After going through so much pain, how can you even LOOK at heroin ever again...? Baffles my mind how something that causes so much pain is done again, and again, and again...


"wham, bam, thank you for the coke, put me back in the cell"  iconic... and i now will be using this in my everyday conversations XD


It’s extremely frustrating watching how the detective doesn’t understand how addiction works. “What do you need methadone for?” Like damn, have a care. The poor lad is sick and has been sick over a decade. I can’t stand this part of policing. Help them!

@Hannah Gs thats just like, your opinion man

@Hannah Gs this man is smart enough to know right from wrong. No one can defeat someones addiction for them its up to them. You shouldnt enable people… like its some terminal illness that cant be solved.

@Johnny you clearly don’t understand addiction

@xucthclu everyone is dealt a hand and the path you choose defines your character. This man shows he’s smart and couldve been so much more. But he said fuck it and stayed on drugs, and there are people like you enabling and sympathizing. Good job:)

@Johnny he was arrested in the past. The past doesn't define a character, which is proven by his character today. You should seriously learn to care for others in similar positions to him, because a good majority of the time it wasn't their character that led them there, it was environment, which was believe it or not at least partially crafted by our government. Any research into the drug war and you'll see these aren't bad people but rather a product of something bigger

@Johnny "it's real easy to judge them when you see 'em, but you'll never truly understand until you've ever been there."

@xucthclu he had been arrested many times. Just shows that he chose to stay on that path rather than improve himself. His notgivingafuck demeanor says it all. While he is likable I find it hard to feel any sympathy for him.

@Johnny how do you know if he's a leach?

I've been hooked on heroin and I was paying for that shit with money I worked my fucking ass off for.

Not every addict in is in the stage of addiction where they can no longer support themselves and have to parasite on others.

On top of that, even with those that do end up leeching off society, you have to be able to ask some very important questions. Like, what happened, how did they end up there. It's not like a healthy, well adjusted person will suddenly decide to seek out heroin - a drug that can be overdosed and literally kill you with relative ease, so each time you get another batch, you may be gambling on your chances of getting high and numbing the pain vs very literally dying.

People don't generally become addicts out of some sort of inherent evil, no matter how easy it is for your smooth brain to think that way.

Yes lets feel sorry for this leach on society. Great job


Lost my little brother to this shit 3 years ago, my brother was a good man, he had his struggle but he was a Good man. The way he thanked the coke tore me up. He is obviously withdrawing and they know it. He invoked that 5th amendment like the falcon punch on Super Smash Bros. <br>One love

Lost my little brother to this shit 3 years ago, my brother was a good man, he had his struggle but he was a Good man. The way he thanked the coke tore me up. He is obviously withdrawing and they know it. He invoked that 5th amendment like the falcon punch on Super Smash Bros.
One love


The mistake people make is answering questions. There’s a reason lawyers say do not answer any questions. Not even seemingly innocuous questions like “where are you coming from?” or “where are you going?”  When you start talking is when they start building a case. Never ever trust what a cop tells you.


jeff reminds me of my best friend's dad so much. we'll call him tom. tom has served time before and has carried so much wisdom from that. if you ask his opinion, you can bet your family's life that he will be as honest as possible and will not sugarcoat it at all. the "you look like a prick" comment was what reminded me of tom the most. he really matches that anti hero criteria. but overall he's an amazing dad and honestly a great role model in some ways :)


For being messed up, Jeff is smart enough to know the importance of asking for the lawyer.  Unless this is Canada where they can continue asking you questions and use anything said against you.


He wanted a lawyer.  Leave him alone by law.


Man was read his rights, man exercised his right to remain silent, man told the officers "I do not want to sign anything, I will not answer questions, I want a lawyer" AFTER he had already informed them "I'm a junkie and I will be suffering from withdrawal soon" and yet the officers CONTINUED to interrogate him SEVERAL more times over the course of 5 to 10 hours.

Not only did these officers violate this man's rights by continuing to pressure and interrogate him after he called for a lawyer, they actively and willingly used time as a factor to exploit this man's self-admitted addiction in a attempt to use his withdrawal symptoms and irritation as a means to obtain enough evidence for a conviction.

None of the officers in this video should be officers anymore, they should have their badges taken away and never be allowed to hold any kind of position of authority again.

@John Perry So you have no argument.

Got it 👌🏿

@John Perry So you have no argument.

Got it 👌🏿

@Rifle Shooter Channel lol do you seriously like every single one of your own comments? That’s pretty sad.

@Rifle Shooter Channel lol do you seriously like every single one of your own comments? That’s pretty sad.

@John Perry I’m sorry words on the internet made you embarrassed.

@John Perry I’m sorry words on the internet made you embarrassed.

@Rifle Shooter Channel Thank you though, I’ve never seen someone so thoroughly embarrassed 😂

@Rifle Shooter Channel Thank you though, I’ve never seen someone so thoroughly embarrassed 😂

@S Campbell not so sure if jeff did that. Im a bit too lazy to analyze the video again, can you provide a time stamp on where it happened? Also these things tend to be more open to interpretation.

@S Campbell not so sure if jeff did that. Im a bit too lazy to analyze the video again, can you provide a time stamp on where it happened? Also these things tend to be more open to interpretation.

@Sam So you <i>don’t</i> like The Constitution?

@Sam So you _don’t_ like The Constitution?

@John Blood The decision in North Carolina v. Butler specifically refers to waiving your right to council by spontaneous statement. So your reply doesn't make any sense. These rights are often intertwined. Continuing to willfully speak with police implies you have waived your right to have council present before any questioning and simultaneously implies (obviously) you've waived your right to remain silent. Waiving your right to council before questioning doesn't mean you've waived your right to council altogether. Jeff waived both of these rights all on his own.

@Rifle Shooter Channel so why didn't the police stop them? Not just last year but since 2017. Oh yeah they were told to stand down and they followed orders. When they weren't kneeling with protesters. And they blocked people from opening their businesses when they weren't shutting down churches. Violation of civil liberties but it's not our fault, we're just following orders and breaking the oath to service we swore. People needed their freedoms protected and the state said "fuck you"

I was a constitutionalist once, until I realized that gun laws exist and no-knock middle of the night and early morning raids of private residences were cool.

@J R oh i have. Go on now. Educate yourself first.

@J R oh i have. Go on now. Educate yourself first.

@John Blood like i said, next time make sure you're reading the proper textbook

@John Blood like i said, next time make sure you're reading the proper textbook

@J R id say youre wrong but explaining for the fifh time exactly why is really not worth the effort required to articulate my thumbs. Go on and read up on the laws, rights, their role in adveserial action and what happens if an officer, even unwittingly handles them wrong.

Ill direct you to read further responses ive made on this chain. Good day.

@J R id say youre wrong but explaining for the fifh time exactly why is really not worth the effort required to articulate my thumbs. Go on and read up on the laws, rights, their role in adveserial action and what happens if an officer, even unwittingly handles them wrong.

Ill direct you to read further responses ive made on this chain. Good day.

@J R no. Im just a guy that read up on the laws of the land i happen to be residing in.

@J R no. Im just a guy that read up on the laws of the land i happen to be residing in.

@Car Kulture Yours is the most asinine point I’ve read in a while.

@Car Kulture Yours is the most asinine point I’ve read in a while.

Yes. And the indicator on their washing machines main dial should be worn down to complete invisibility. Leaving it ever so complicated to determine which setting it will land on. Ever so complicated indeed! Mwahahaha!

Yes. And the indicator on their washing machines main dial should be worn down to complete invisibility. Leaving it ever so complicated to determine which setting it will land on. Ever so complicated indeed! Mwahahaha!

@John Blood are you one of those internet pseudolawyers?

@John Blood are you one of those internet pseudolawyers?

i see you've watched a lot of hollywood movies

i see you've watched a lot of hollywood movies

@Sam Yeah clearly rioters burning down cities are the good guys 😂

@Sam Yeah clearly rioters burning down cities are the good guys 😂

@Rifle Shooter Channel Imagine simping for and making excuses for law enforcement after a year of riots and lockdowns. Smh boomercons think police are on their side

@Rifle Shooter Channel Imagine simping for and making excuses for law enforcement after a year of riots and lockdowns. Smh boomercons think police are on their side

This is so common here in the U.S., you have NO fucking idea!!!

This is so common here in the U.S., you have NO fucking idea!!!

@Rifle Shooter Channel False. withdrawals are a medical condition bud

@Rifle Shooter Channel False. withdrawals are a medical condition bud

@John Blood not u, u threw him off the steel cage thru the announcer's booth at hell in a cell

@John Blood not u, u threw him off the steel cage thru the announcer's booth at hell in a cell

@Gaige Schaal they are only allowed to hold him without pressing charges for so long

@Gaige Schaal they are only allowed to hold him without pressing charges for so long

@Rifle Shooter Channel in america they have to cause you can get hurt if a withdraw is bad enough

@Rifle Shooter Channel in america they have to cause you can get hurt if a withdraw is bad enough

@Car Kulture bro he said that was the only thing you focused on not that dummy

@Car Kulture bro he said that was the only thing you focused on not that dummy

@John Blood you are correct, but wrong at the same time. My reply to the OP talks about "spontaneous statements" and "inferred waivers" that are consistent with North Carolina v. Butler. Police are obligated to terminate interrogations after an unequivocal request for a lawyer pursuant to David v. United States, but that request can easily be waived through the aforementioned routes, which did occur multiple times. Jeff waived his rights each time he requested another interrogation and each time he made a spontaneous statement following an invocation of his 5th amendment right. Not to be disrespectful, but I argue this way more than I'd like to with people who have no idea what they are talking about. If you believe my evidence to be wrong, back it up with case law to support your claim.

5th amendment rights are only invoked when a suspect makes an unequivocal request for a lawyer, David v. United States. An explicit statement of waiver isn't necessary for a defendant to effectively waive their right to council, it can be inferred, through passages such as spontaneous statements. North Carolina v. Butler. In this instance, the defendant requested the follow up interrogations spontaneously. Other accusations aside, this guy clearly waived his rights all on his own. I haven't seen any evidence from this video suggesting the police violated his 5th amendment rights. If you believe they have, point me to the specific violation with a case citation.

@PhantomSavage cops dont follow the law. Thats just there to make a cute book called “law” 😂😂🤷🏽♂

@PhantomSavage cops dont follow the law. Thats just there to make a cute book called “law” 😂😂🤷🏽♂

I'm as happy as the next person that we americans have rights, but If you rob someone at gunpoint, you have forfeited those rights.

I'm as happy as the next person that we americans have rights, but If you rob someone at gunpoint, you have forfeited those rights.

I agree with everything but the withdrawal thing. Benzo and alcohol withdrawal can certainly kill you. Heroin  withdrawal can’t kill you. Definitely uncomfortable, worst time of your life. But not life threatening. Im sure in court he could try and say he didn’t know what was going on cause of withdrawal. but in the camera hes clearly coherent.

I agree with everything but the withdrawal thing. Benzo and alcohol withdrawal can certainly kill you. Heroin  withdrawal can’t kill you. Definitely uncomfortable, worst time of your life. But not life threatening. Im sure in court he could try and say he didn’t know what was going on cause of withdrawal. but in the camera hes clearly coherent.

Yeah as soon as u say I want an attorney aren’t they suppose to stop asking u questions

Yeah as soon as u say I want an attorney aren’t they suppose to stop asking u questions

@Rifle Shooter Channel Jesus Christ this is cringe.

@Rifle Shooter Channel Jesus Christ this is cringe.

@Car Kulture lmao dude this is pathetic, he's factually correct and if you got convicted after asking for a lawyer, it's either cause you signed something you shouldn't have or said something unprovoked.  Any lawyer on earth seeing a conviction based on info got through that interrogation would salivate cause of how easy the case would be

@Car Kulture lmao dude this is pathetic, he's factually correct and if you got convicted after asking for a lawyer, it's either cause you signed something you shouldn't have or said something unprovoked.  Any lawyer on earth seeing a conviction based on info got through that interrogation would salivate cause of how easy the case would be

Lol watching Brooklyn 99 vs a law degree

Lol watching Brooklyn 99 vs a law degree

acab is kind of simplistic, but it means that the system makes cops bad.  even great cops are bad cops when they do their job.  the job of policing is bad.

acab is kind of simplistic, but it means that the system makes cops bad.  even great cops are bad cops when they do their job.  the job of policing is bad.

@Lance Handy they were engaging in illegal interrogation methods by holding him for an additional 5 hours after the interrogation should have ended cause he asked for a lawyer, so no.

@Lance Handy they were engaging in illegal interrogation methods by holding him for an additional 5 hours after the interrogation should have ended cause he asked for a lawyer, so no.

@John Blood keep preaching, maybe someone will care

@John Blood keep preaching, maybe someone will care

Nah, they read the rights then from that moment they try to get answers. After they finish the rights Jeff being smart knowing does not answer. They can pressure all they want regardless of his withdrawal untill it becomes a serious matter they can hold for 24 hours.

Nah, they read the rights then from that moment they try to get answers. After they finish the rights Jeff being smart knowing does not answer. They can pressure all they want regardless of his withdrawal untill it becomes a serious matter they can hold for 24 hours.

Look at Mr. Phoenix Wright over here knowing the law front to back

Look at Mr. Phoenix Wright over here knowing the law front to back

And if he did commit the robbery? They just let him go because he's not complying?

And if he did commit the robbery? They just let him go because he's not complying?

Not sure of the time stamp but Jeff was messing with them and kept saying he would talk to them for a coke and butterfinger.

Not sure of the time stamp but Jeff was messing with them and kept saying he would talk to them for a coke and butterfinger.

@Angel Face No point. You'd need to remove the doctrine of qualified immunity. and to not allocate resources to departments based on the number of convictions or apprehensions because it puts incentive on cutting corners instead of good police work, which inevitably puts innocent people behind bars too.

Funding for police should be uniform across the board, it should be done by people with some kind of legal knowledge, and plea bargains should not be an option in the criminal justice system.. the system either works or it doesn't.. a good system works on merit, not by the willing participation of the criminal element it is supposed to stiffle.. which sadly, the latter is the way it mostly works now.

@Senior Venus Digital Actually the right course of action if you're a legally minded officer is attempt to reestablish dialogue without asking questions pertaining to the case.

The interview in any official capacity is over when the suspect demands a lawyer and it only can continue if the suspect voluntarily begins dialogue or when the lawyer arrives. Otherwise it is a sixth amendment violation. Throughout these comments i have pointed out why, how and where this legal technicality exists, and why it is important that police not try to step on it..

The reason for them to not do so is that if it comes up in court, the defense can easily argue for, and gain the advantage if it actually went to trial, which a majority of criminal cases dont anymore.. but if it did, it could potentially put a dangerous criminal back on the streets merely due to this technicality.

Videos like this don't just exist on the premise that "duur police are evil" No,,,it's also that incompetent or officers that cut corners, can lose the state a criminal case in court and justice is not served.

You'd think...but frankly cities pay out millions in lawsuits from OUR taxes instead of firing police officers that are corrupt!!

You'd think...but frankly cities pay out millions in lawsuits from OUR taxes instead of firing police officers that are corrupt!!

@Edmund McQuincy Nice projection about your personal issues with your father.

Sad.

@Edmund McQuincy Nice projection about your personal issues with your father.

Sad.

@Matthew Griffin False. Diabetes is a legitimate medical condition.

“I want to get high” is not.

@Matthew Griffin False. Diabetes is a legitimate medical condition.

“I want to get high” is not.

Is this what it's come to. Sticking up for criminals that would steal everything from you without a thought

Is this what it's come to. Sticking up for criminals that would steal everything from you without a thought

@Rifle Shooter Channel that’s like denying a diabetic insulin, pretty inhumane, unbecoming of police officers but it’s what weve come to expect

@Rifle Shooter Channel that’s like denying a diabetic insulin, pretty inhumane, unbecoming of police officers but it’s what weve come to expect

@John Blood WITH GOD AS MY WITNESS   THAT MAN IS BROKEN IN HALFFFF

@John Blood WITH GOD AS MY WITNESS   THAT MAN IS BROKEN IN HALFFFF

@Gandalf the Grey ok sounds like you have it nailed let me know after you go through the justice system if it’s as black and white as you believe it is! I wish you luck!

@Gandalf the Grey ok sounds like you have it nailed let me know after you go through the justice system if it’s as black and white as you believe it is! I wish you luck!

@Car Kulture I think you have an incorrect perception how most justice systems work

1. They cannot without repercussions.

2. They HAVE to care, since it's a medical condition. It's doesn't matter how or why you have that condition.

3. .... That's exactly what is happening when you ask for a lawyer. Justice can only be served if the defendant had a fair trial, which includes a lawyer at all requested times. They are legally obligated to stop the interrogation until the lawyer is there.
"The wheels of justice" don't move if you bent or break the rights of people.

He could've just kept silent legally. Him deciding to give up information was his own problem as he was aware it was an interrogation from the beginning. Stop complaining about officers out-witting idiots. Plus no one wants to hear you talk about what you think you know.  Especially when you're wrong :)

He could've just kept silent legally. Him deciding to give up information was his own problem as he was aware it was an interrogation from the beginning. Stop complaining about officers out-witting idiots. Plus no one wants to hear you talk about what you think you know.  Especially when you're wrong :)

@Michael Thompson  Congrats.... best comment on this thread... you win the internet today.

@Michael Thompson  Congrats.... best comment on this thread... you win the internet today.

@The Review I just spent waaaay too much time out of my life reading this silly comment section and it's refreshing to see you actually live up to your name and are willing to review some shit :p

@The Review I just spent waaaay too much time out of my life reading this silly comment section and it's refreshing to see you actually live up to your name and are willing to review some shit :p

they can continue to interrogate and pressure until they break him. its not violating any rights. The right to remain silent means you dont have to say anything during these interrogations, it doesnt mean that you can just walts out of the interrogation

they can continue to interrogate and pressure until they break him. its not violating any rights. The right to remain silent means you dont have to say anything during these interrogations, it doesnt mean that you can just walts out of the interrogation

@Jinnie nah. Boredom and a sadistic personality plus internet just go together like magnesium and water plus gasoline.

@Jinnie nah. Boredom and a sadistic personality plus internet just go together like magnesium and water plus gasoline.

@Nicholas Hopper Well, I can tell you’re not a lawyer.

@Nicholas Hopper Well, I can tell you’re not a lawyer.

so what. he  was miranded,asked for an atty,and ? then this alleged junkie predicts his time table to start puking etc-so freeeekkin what
was he denied a loiyuuh ?
answering quesions ?
LOL
where's denial of rights ?

so what. he  was miranded,asked for an atty,and ? then this alleged junkie predicts his time table to start puking etc--so freeeekkin what-
was he denied a loiyuuh ?
answering quesions ?
LOL
where's denial of rights ?

@Jinnie i take time to do what makes me happy at night.. trashing someones arguments using facts gives me the shot of dopamine that i crave.

@Jinnie i take time to do what makes me happy at night.. trashing someones arguments using facts gives me the shot of dopamine that i crave.

@George From down the hall never claimed i was. I just know what the rules are. Im also aware that those rules are broken routinely. Whether it be due to poor oversight, poor training or simply idiotic superiors doesnt matter.

@George From down the hall never claimed i was. I just know what the rules are. Im also aware that those rules are broken routinely. Whether it be due to poor oversight, poor training or simply idiotic superiors doesnt matter.

@Billy Hammond that is true, I was just meaning to call out how the original comment said they violated his rights. Although, thank you for the new knowledge.

@Billy Hammond that is true, I was just meaning to call out how the original comment said they violated his rights. Although, thank you for the new knowledge.

@The Review yes, but his lawyer also has the right to get it tossed since he made it clear he wasn't in his right mind. Wether it should or shouldnt work is another topic of discussion but as of now it does still work and no informed officer would've wasted their time.

@The Review yes, but his lawyer also has the right to get it tossed since he made it clear he wasn't in his right mind. Wether it should or shouldnt work is another topic of discussion but as of now it does still work and no informed officer would've wasted their time.

He has the right to remain silent, but there is nothing that prevents officers from Interrogating him.

No laws were broken, no regulations or lines crossed.

They have a legal right to continue the questioning and he has the right to remain silent and refuse to give information.

He has the right to remain silent, but there is nothing that prevents officers from Interrogating him.

No laws were broken, no regulations or lines crossed.

They have a legal right to continue the questioning and he has the right to remain silent and refuse to give information.

@FlyGuy2000 still isnt usable. Beat my charge because I'd been clear I was detoxing from alcohol and they used that hoping I'd offer anything eventually just to have a hope of getting out. I know better but did get the things that made my stay comfortable and the whole thing stricken at trial so you can say but I lived it.

@FlyGuy2000 still isnt usable. Beat my charge because I'd been clear I was detoxing from alcohol and they used that hoping I'd offer anything eventually just to have a hope of getting out. I know better but did get the things that made my stay comfortable and the whole thing stricken at trial so you can say but I lived it.

@Piggish than learn the actual laws because once you ask for a lawyer and have made it clear a medical issue like drug detox will be affecting you shortly they couldnt have even used his statement in court. Small town cops trying to get anything to use against a defense later on.

@Piggish than learn the actual laws because once you ask for a lawyer and have made it clear a medical issue like drug detox will be affecting you shortly they couldnt have even used his statement in court. Small town cops trying to get anything to use against a defense later on.

@John Blood and you’re obviously not an attorney

@John Blood and you’re obviously not an attorney

@George From down the hall surpression of evidence is one thing and can be argued in a pretrial hearing.. witholding someone from an attorney and continuing to question him renders the statements and the contents of recordings after the demand moot and void in court.. thats how the game is played.

@George From down the hall surpression of evidence is one thing and can be argued in a pretrial hearing.. witholding someone from an attorney and continuing to question him renders the statements and the contents of recordings after the demand moot and void in court.. thats how the game is played.

@John Blood the incriminating evidence is not “automatically kicked out”. A motion to suppress has to be filed and then the judge makes the ruling.

@John Blood the incriminating evidence is not “automatically kicked out”. A motion to suppress has to be filed and then the judge makes the ruling.

Good thing you’re not an attorney because you were wrong on everything you just said

Good thing you’re not an attorney because you were wrong on everything you just said

@Lance Handy I don't think the offer is like a contract at all, and if you say that you refuse to talk until you talk to your lawyer, but then later decide to just start blabbing on about stuff and you've said you understand your rights then you've just ceded your right to silence.   You asked for a lawyer, and then decided to interact with the police before you consulted with them, and that's on you.

@Lance Handy I don't think the offer is like a contract at all, and if you say that you refuse to talk until you talk to your lawyer, but then later decide to just start blabbing on about stuff and you've said you understand your rights then you've just ceded your right to silence.   You asked for a lawyer, and then decided to interact with the police before you consulted with them, and that's on you.

@PhantomSavage Doesn't that mean that they can question him all they want, just if he's dumb enough to talk to them before talking to his lawyer then nothing he says is admissable?  Meaning they can probe for information to help give them directions to investigate, but the secondary investigative results (like them investigating a timeline based on what he said and other evidence from that) ARE all admissable?  So even talking to them again without talking to a lawyer after asking for one is still a VERY bad idea for the suspect.

They aren't there to find the truth, they're there to make a case against someone they think is enough to stick.  That doesn't make them bad people either, just means that they aren't on your side in any circumstance if you're in their sites and that you need to be very careful.

@Sean McLaughlin most of the time people only know snippets of the knowledge they claim to know.

@Sean McLaughlin most of the time people only know snippets of the knowledge they claim to know.

@Piggish it does matter. Once a suspect asks for an attorney the interrogation is supposed to end immediately.

@Piggish it does matter. Once a suspect asks for an attorney the interrogation is supposed to end immediately.

Them and a million others, only top notch empathetic people should be allowed to be cops.

Them and a million others, only top notch empathetic people should be allowed to be cops.

@El Zong Xina thanks for your reply. Just to say it is not a straw man argument at all. The reason rights exist are to protect us from totalitarianism. Denying someone core rights is persecution, allowing govt officials to persecute citizens leads to totalitarianism. Anyway, good luck with your dentistry.

@El Zong Xina thanks for your reply. Just to say it is not a straw man argument at all. The reason rights exist are to protect us from totalitarianism. Denying someone core rights is persecution, allowing govt officials to persecute citizens leads to totalitarianism. Anyway, good luck with your dentistry.

@fourstar fuel I just assumed you’re not because it’s more likely, I don’t doubt you, I have no reason to, honestly you could be a student of law and claim the same thing but it is not that essential for me to believe you :) I’m a dentist dunno squat about laws except for the ones that concern my profession and I’m sure I have much more to learn! Hopefully I’ll be able to afford a good lawyer if anything happens ^^ You used a straw man argument at one point and you went into a tangent about totalitarianism but I promise you I haven’t judged the individual in the way you have suggested, I’m just curious.

@El Zong Xina I could tell you I am (I do have a degree in law, actually) but you wouldn't accept it. I don't blame you as I'm not in a position to prove anything subjective to you. However, as the old song goes, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."<br>A primary duty of any law enforcement official is to uphold the law. The chap asked for his legal right to legal  representation, and, clearly, it was not respected. Therefore, the interrogation was unlawful. You get no less, or no more, rights due to social position. That' s what makes them rights. You appear way too concerned with the administrative convenience of the police just because they are dealing with a down at heal character. That sort of mindset leads to totalitarianism. Minimal safeguards such as representation are there for a reason. If I had my way I'd sack any policeman who treated those safeguards with this level of contempt.

@El Zong Xina I could tell you I am (I do have a degree in law, actually) but you wouldn't accept it. I don't blame you as I'm not in a position to prove anything subjective to you. However, as the old song goes, "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
A primary duty of any law enforcement official is to uphold the law. The chap asked for his legal right to legal  representation, and, clearly, it was not respected. Therefore, the interrogation was unlawful. You get no less, or no more, rights due to social position. That' s what makes them rights. You appear way too concerned with the administrative convenience of the police just because they are dealing with a down at heal character. That sort of mindset leads to totalitarianism. Minimal safeguards such as representation are there for a reason. If I had my way I'd sack any policeman who treated those safeguards with this level of contempt.

@Remote Controll hey thank you for that I’m not a career criminal but I’ve been in the presence of police officers more often than I care to admit and they have their own agenda which usually trumps your own rights, your right I need to stop feeding in to the 💩 thanks for your comment

@Remote Controll hey thank you for that I’m not a career criminal but I’ve been in the presence of police officers more often than I care to admit and they have their own agenda which usually trumps your own rights, your right I need to stop feeding in to the 💩 thanks for your comment

@Car Kulture these fools in here never actually seen how the police operate besides on youtube or tv. Don't give them the time of day. IF YOU KNOW THEN YOU KNOW.

@Car Kulture these fools in here never actually seen how the police operate besides on youtube or tv. Don't give them the time of day. IF YOU KNOW THEN YOU KNOW.

@Cody bukosky LMAO, do your own research.

@Cody bukosky LMAO, do your own research.

I’m not a lawyer and I don’t think you are either I agree with you morally but can’t say if it’s completely wrong legally ^^, but officers are not evil they’re trying to do their duty it’s a difficult job.

I’m not a lawyer and I don’t think you are either I agree with you morally but can’t say if it’s completely wrong legally ^^, but officers are not evil they’re trying to do their duty it’s a difficult job.

Damn dude, should they have offered him heroin so he didn't have symptoms?

Damn dude, should they have offered him heroin so he didn't have symptoms?

@Gazelle keyboard warrior likes his own comment

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@Red It's very common for interrogators to intentionally do this, actually. Attempting to harass and exhaust a "suspect" into falsely confessing has been extremely common for decades, only having been called out rarely for the last decade.

Addicts going into withdrawal are especially targeted precisely because of the ease of getting them to confess to a crime they didn't do, so they can seek medical help potentially (generally still being ignored, though).

@Piggish he said he requested to go back to questioning so he could get another Coke

@Piggish he said he requested to go back to questioning so he could get another Coke

his rights weren’t violated lmao do a little research in what his rights actually mean as well as the rights the officers have during interrogation

his rights weren’t violated lmao do a little research in what his rights actually mean as well as the rights the officers have during interrogation

So many young lawyers in comment section I guess I am old fashioned to understand this stuff

So many young lawyers in comment section I guess I am old fashioned to understand this stuff

Bro the dude asked for an attorney I can guarantee you he got off

Bro the dude asked for an attorney I can guarantee you he got off

@FlyGuy2000 Maybe...but, at the moment he invokes his rights, the law enforcement officer is jeopardizing his case by continuing. I'm not disagreeing in the real world, things could play out different, but I do know a law enforcement officer that I've spoken to about this. He told me that at the very moment the person invokes their rights, he stops. There's no reason to let someone get away with something because the officer plays loose with the law.

To bad this is stabdard procedure. Even if you take their badge another one will fill the same role.

To bad this is stabdard procedure. Even if you take their badge another one will fill the same role.

@Strawberry Kit Kats I mean, it's fun to see him squirm though lmao. even if he is a troll, he got himself deep enough to get his ego hurt and is desperately trying to save it. not a very good troll imo

@Strawberry Kit Kats I mean, it's fun to see him squirm though lmao. even if he is a troll, he got himself deep enough to get his ego hurt and is desperately trying to save it. not a very good troll imo

@Ulysses Sus Grant I appreciate your well-worded replies to Rifle Shooter and clear understanding of what logical fallacies are. I would like to point out however, that Rifle might just be a troll? And if they aren't, simply stop replying to them because the "conversation" is really just a back and forth jerk off.

@Ulysses Sus Grant I appreciate your well-worded replies to Rifle Shooter and clear understanding of what logical fallacies are. I would like to point out however, that Rifle might just be a troll? And if they aren't, simply stop replying to them because the "conversation" is really just a back and forth jerk off.

@MrEvilchukky  well firstly, I highly doubt you know very much about any kind of narcotics or addiction when you 1, don't know what withdrawal is and assume that people would do just fine if they "just quit", and 2,  have no empathy for adicts even though, if you have professional knowledge, you'd know full well how drug addicts are mostly victims who are treated like scumbags by the system, even though what they need is proper rehabilitation rather than imprisonment. as for the assumption of you as a person, I basically just listed off the person who would have the least experience or contact with narcotics in their life, even through education. those are often the people who have opinions closest to yours. no to mention that names mean nothing. I can call myself Pretty Little Princess regardless of my gender, meaning your name isn't any sort of reliable source of info. on top of that, even if it was, Chucky is a hit with "quirky" teenage girls these days. the ones who don't know the first thing about drugs. I basically just connected the dots. of course, I wouldn't expect to be right, but on the chance that I am, it's a nice addition to my point. and when it's wrong, oh well. doesn't do anything to my argument since it doesn't have much to do with it

You must not know how Miranda works.. a lot of times people will ask for a lawyer, and then recant that statement and want to speak with detectives.. I guarantee every time he was put back in his cell he told the jailers he wanted to talk to detectives, so the detectives brought him back.. if they were trying to be crooked about it they wouldn’t read him Miranda every single time he was brought back into the interview room

You must not know how Miranda works.. a lot of times people will ask for a lawyer, and then recant that statement and want to speak with detectives.. I guarantee every time he was put back in his cell he told the jailers he wanted to talk to detectives, so the detectives brought him back.. if they were trying to be crooked about it they wouldn’t read him Miranda every single time he was brought back into the interview room

@Rifle Shooter Channel oh, what am I projecting then?

@Rifle Shooter Channel oh, what am I projecting then?

@Ulysses Sus Grant What kind of unperceptive person do u have to be to assume, I'm a girl with a name like Mr Evil??  Just like the rest of your palm reading you didnt get a thing right.  As for the drug part, I know more about these situations then you will ever know...professionally.  You said absolutely nothing and you said it too loudly.

@Ulysses Sus Grant What kind of unperceptive person do u have to be to assume, I'm a girl with a name like Mr Evil??  Just like the rest of your palm reading you didnt get a thing right.  As for the drug part, I know more about these situations then you will ever know...professionally.  You said absolutely nothing and you said it too loudly.

@Rifle Shooter Channel your tacit concession is noted

@Rifle Shooter Channel your tacit concession is noted

@FlyGuy2000 tfw youve never gone through withdrawal

@FlyGuy2000 tfw youve never gone through withdrawal

@Piggish as soon as you request a lawyer and state you’re not answering questions the interrogation is over even if he had admitted to killing someone or anything else it wouldn’t be admissible in court

@Piggish as soon as you request a lawyer and state you’re not answering questions the interrogation is over even if he had admitted to killing someone or anything else it wouldn’t be admissible in court

@John Blood you have way too much time on your hand writing comments for someone who had “better things to do” in their life

@John Blood you have way too much time on your hand writing comments for someone who had “better things to do” in their life

Just shows that cops don’t treat addicts like people

Just shows that cops don’t treat addicts like people

@Rifle Shooter Channel dang, you need to grow some self esteem.

@Rifle Shooter Channel dang, you need to grow some self esteem.

@Georg deVadda if you would like  to educate me on the American legal system and your experiences with it I would be happy to hear them thank you

@Georg deVadda if you would like  to educate me on the American legal system and your experiences with it I would be happy to hear them thank you

I bet every single officer involved in this case is either promoted and still locking up hundreds more people with bogus charges

I bet every single officer involved in this case is either promoted and still locking up hundreds more people with bogus charges

They can question him all they want, but if he asked for a lawyer and none was present, they can't use anything he says in court. (That is, if they admit he asked for a lawyer) That being said, questioning a man for hours while he's going to heroin withdrawal is devious. I went cold turkey off of opioids in the 90's and it was hell. HELL. It makes having a bad flu feel like a Swedish massage.

They can question him all they want, but if he asked for a lawyer and none was present, they can't use anything he says in court. (That is, if they admit he asked for a lawyer) That being said, questioning a man for hours while he's going to heroin withdrawal is devious. I went cold turkey off of opioids in the 90's and it was hell. HELL. It makes having a bad flu feel like a Swedish massage.

@Red The interview ended as soon as he asked for a lawyer. Then he agreed to keep doing them without a lawyer so they did.

@Red The interview ended as soon as he asked for a lawyer. Then he agreed to keep doing them without a lawyer so they did.

Withdrawal means nothing in this case, law says a suspect can be held up to 24 hours.

Police doesn’t use YOUR right to remain silent, they can still ask you questions and pressure you to speak but it is up to you to remain silent.

We clearly hear the officer going “We talked and now you’re asking for a lawyer and I can’t talk to you now” and leave the room only to have Jeff back in five hours later in which we don’t know what happened. Maybe they provided him with a lawyer? Maybe he changed his mind? We don’t know.

@Ulysses Sus Grant More ad hominem.

Your utter defeat glares like the sun.

@Ulysses Sus Grant More ad hominem.

Your utter defeat glares like the sun.

@Rifle Shooter Channel yeah, wow, that's not even close to what burden of proof is. maybe you should stop trying to call me on fallacies when you don't know what they are. not to mention that the word "tacit" doesn't hold any weight with how often and repeatedly you use it, even though half the time, it's completely wrong, just like basically everything else you've been trying to push on me. maybe try again now. either elaborate, or accuse me of something else you don't know the meaning of, or maybe just say "I win" again like a 6 year old having a temper tantrum, sure.

@Ulysses Sus Grant That’s not how burden of proof works.

Your tacit concession remains noted.

@Ulysses Sus Grant That’s not how burden of proof works.

Your tacit concession remains noted.

@Rifle Shooter Channelalright, big guy, here goes. next up, this is the part where you elaborate and show that you have any reason and purpose whatsoever. go get em, tiger. we're all rooting for you out there

@Rifle Shooter Channelalright, big guy, here goes. next up, this is the part where you elaborate and show that you have any reason and purpose whatsoever. go get em, tiger. we're all rooting for you out there

@FlyGuy2000 I don't know man. Heroin withdrawals are quite severe, they can kill you and you're definitely unable to think straight during that. It's like saying that officers don't need to cater to person who needs insulin, because they have diabetes.

@FlyGuy2000 I don't know man. Heroin withdrawals are quite severe, they can kill you and you're definitely unable to think straight during that. It's like saying that officers don't need to cater to person who needs insulin, because they have diabetes.

You are correct that when you say you want to remain silent and ask for a lawyer, they are supposed to end the interrogation, but they are allowed to come back after a period of time and ask you if you've changed your mind and want to talk. I suspect that they did that to him and he agreed to come back to the interrogation room if they would give him another Coke.

You are correct that when you say you want to remain silent and ask for a lawyer, they are supposed to end the interrogation, but they are allowed to come back after a period of time and ask you if you've changed your mind and want to talk. I suspect that they did that to him and he agreed to come back to the interrogation room if they would give him another Coke.

@Ulysses Sus Grant The thoroughness of your defeat is reaffirmed with every comment you make.

Thank you.

@Ulysses Sus Grant The thoroughness of your defeat is reaffirmed with every comment you make.

Thank you.

@Red they definitely don't do that! I've been to jail before and I've watched hundreds of females crawl in the pod and just puke, shake, sweat, and so much other stuff. I asked for a Tylenol and they gave it to me 3 days later after I filled out shot forms and everything else. They don't care about shit. They don't care about people that aren't in the system and how they treat them! It's insane what they do to their so-called"criminals"

@FlyGuy2000 Yes, the detectives do have to look after his health while in custody. Just because American cops generally love killing, doesn't mean that people don't have rights. This man was guilty of no crime at that point. He has all the rights of any human, but while in custody, he definitely has the right to a lawyer. There will come a day when crooked, murderous cops get their comeuppance, and the times are already changing on that. There's rules to this shit! The sooner the police play by them, the sooner there will be less rioting/protests.

@Ulysses Sus Grant Now with the ad hominem.

Your tacit concession remains noted.

@Ulysses Sus Grant Now with the ad hominem.

Your tacit concession remains noted.

@Rifle Shooter Channel the irony is real lmao. what a hypocrite

@Rifle Shooter Channel the irony is real lmao. what a hypocrite

@Ulysses Sus Grant Your non sequitur is dismissed.

@Ulysses Sus Grant Your non sequitur is dismissed.

@Rifle Shooter Channel "if I say the same thing over and over again, it will become true"

edit: lmfaoo I don't renounce my position in the slightest, but I did learn something new today, I'll give you that. regardless, I still find it funny that somehow, in your mind, the fact I repeated a quip I didn't know the meaning of translates to an "utter defeat", which means you missed my point entirely and decided to focus on one unrelated and irrelevant thing.

your fallacious tendencies are noted

@Ulysses Sus Grant Your tacit concession remains noted.

@Ulysses Sus Grant Your tacit concession remains noted.

@Rifle Shooter Channel saying "I win" doesn't make you right lmfaoo. this has to be the laziest attempt at a comeback I've ever seen

@Rifle Shooter Channel saying "I win" doesn't make you right lmfaoo. this has to be the laziest attempt at a comeback I've ever seen

@Ulysses Sus Grant Projection.

Your utter defeat is noted.

@Ulysses Sus Grant Projection.

Your utter defeat is noted.

WE MUST MAKE SURE THESE OFFICERS ARE NO LONGER EMPLOYED! please!

WE MUST MAKE SURE THESE OFFICERS ARE NO LONGER EMPLOYED! please!

Ok YouTube warrior, let us know if you have any other ideas for our police system

Ok YouTube warrior, let us know if you have any other ideas for our police system

@Car Kulture totaly agree with you..even if john blood is legaly correct. i am not from the us . i am from sweden but it is the same shit here. even if you are legaly right to see a doctor to get your medecation or what ever...who cares? not them  they just want someone to blame.. and were is it easy to get confessions from? people that have a addiction and start to have whitdraws...sadly thats how the world works

@Car Kulture totaly agree with you..even if john blood is legaly correct. i am not from the us . i am from sweden but it is the same shit here. even if you are legaly right to see a doctor to get your medecation or what ever...who cares? not them  they just want someone to blame.. and were is it easy to get confessions from? people that have a addiction and start to have whitdraws...sadly thats how the world works

It's the name of the game mate. It sucks for the suspect, but it's just how it works. They have to grill him in the time they have, and who's going to flog them if they aren't 100% within the confines of the law? The attorney, in the courtroom? They'll survive that.

And if they can get some solid evidence or a confession before he/she arrives, it won't matter that they didn't wait - once the suspect is in the courtroom it's all over.

They're gambling, and it's their job to do this before the machinery takes away their power to. They have him by the balls. Who would waste that opportunity?

(note, I don't agree with this, but it's just how it happens)

@turbo diesel whoops just realized you werent replying to me.. damn these settings,

@turbo diesel whoops just realized you werent replying to me.. damn these settings,

Did you get your law degree from daytime reruns of law and order?

Did you get your law degree from daytime reruns of law and order?

@John Blood Irony of claiming someone is use as hominem but then calling that person “dumb”.

Your tacit concession is noted.

@John Blood Irony of claiming someone is use as hominem but then calling that person “dumb”.

Your tacit concession is noted.

@Rifle Shooter Channel actually i think ive stated already that i do live in the united states. Finnish national, moved to america. Also the letter of the law is clear, apparently you just dont read.

@Rifle Shooter Channel actually i think ive stated already that i do live in the united states. Finnish national, moved to america. Also the letter of the law is clear, apparently you just dont read.

@John Blood You watch too much TV and don’t even <b>live</b> in the US so your input means nothing.

@John Blood You watch too much TV and don’t even *live* in the US so your input means nothing.

@Rifle Shooter Channel law says they are required to stop. And youre right, when requested they are not.. demanded is the right word. He demanded a lawyer, law says interview is over until one arrives.

@Rifle Shooter Channel law says they are required to stop. And youre right, when requested they are not.. demanded is the right word. He demanded a lawyer, law says interview is over until one arrives.

@John Blood They aren’t required to stop questioning once a lawyer is requested.

Also “muh withdrawals!!” is a slippery slope because it opens the door to allow anyone to get anything they say dismissed because they make up fake withdrawal excuses.

@John Blood They aren’t required to stop questioning once a lawyer is requested.

Also “muh withdrawals!!” is a slippery slope because it opens the door to allow anyone to get anything they say dismissed because they make up fake withdrawal excuses.

@Rifle Shooter Channel They are not required to make you comfortable. But they were required to stop questioning him until a lawyer was present because he demanded one correctly and firmly.

If the police had an actual case, they would have charged him a lot sooner but they were relying on him breaking down and providing a confession and signing a plea bargain and the officers were using his dependency on illicit substances as a form of leverage.. The longer they held and questioned him, the higher his chances of confessing and signing a plea bargain simply because his withdrawal symptoms were so unbearable.

it's a lot more common than i'd like it to be and i'm surprised it's not considered a form of torture/coercion in america.

@Joshua Mlnarik  thanks i guess.. had a good laugh reading that comment.

@Joshua Mlnarik  thanks i guess.. had a good laugh reading that comment.

This comment chain and seeing Mr. KarCulture squirm as you gentlemen called out his bullshit with calm and poise 👏 was extremely satisfying to behold.   Backed into a corner, this 9000IQ super sleuth busted out the ultimate power move, casting " Allege Mom's Basement !" but y'all banished that bullshit to the Shadow Realm like immediately!  Great Job!

This comment chain and seeing Mr. KarCulture squirm as you gentlemen called out his bullshit with calm and poise 👏 was extremely satisfying to behold.   Backed into a corner, this 9000IQ super sleuth busted out the ultimate power move, casting " Allege Mom's Basement !" but y'all banished that bullshit to the Shadow Realm like immediately!  Great Job!

It’s not the officers’ responsibility to make a junkie feel comfortable when he needs his “fix”, sorry.

It’s not the officers’ responsibility to make a junkie feel comfortable when he needs his “fix”, sorry.

@S. N. well european countries are different obviously. My native country, finland is like that too.

In finland you have every right for a lawyer but the police are not legally required to stop questioning, it is up to the person whether he or she wants to speak until the lawyer gets there.  And in finland you have the right  to view any evidence the police have gathered and gather your own evidence that may prove your innocence and have it included in the investigation files.

one exception is that if you do not speak the language you have the right to get an interpreter and the questioning will not begin until one is present because you have the right to understand what the police is charging you with.

@John Blood Actually I work for the police in Eastern Europe. We don't have Miranda and it's so much easy to do our job when we interrogate.<br>p.s. I'm not on the side of the cops from the video. They're not right.

@John Blood Actually I work for the police in Eastern Europe. We don't have Miranda and it's so much easy to do our job when we interrogate.
p.s. I'm not on the side of the cops from the video. They're not right.

@John Blood That is the reason to remain silent until your lawyer arrives.

@John Blood That is the reason to remain silent until your lawyer arrives.

@UCUBtC2-JFl5ZnAFsUQxJ9jA sure you don't. But it's not a valid argument to use. I personally don't care whether or not you are lying or not. But your alleged personal accounts gives your argument no weight especially if you're not willing to share the details. Personally i would have been interested in getting verification on it but instead you take a path of berating, evasion and projection.

Advising people incorrectly is not cool. Think before you comment on something like a comment chain having to do with case law. Especially if your position is that the system is built to actively and repeatedly to violate your constitutional rights without you having any recourse, because it's not only incorrect, it's potentially dangerous advice to impart on someone.

@Car Kulture no, i posited several scenarios, you chose to focus on the liar part.

And yes, i am an asshole, wont deny that. But im right too and thats the part that vexes you the most. If you don't wish to be called out on an unlikely story then don't use alleged personal anecdote as ammunition in your argument.

@Car Kulture no, i posited several scenarios, you chose to focus on the liar part.

And yes, i am an asshole, wont deny that. But im right too and thats the part that vexes you the most. If you don't wish to be called out on an unlikely story then don't use alleged personal anecdote as ammunition in your argument.

@Car Kulture Congratulations. You have made it to the stage where a liar uses ad hominem and an unverifiable claim as weight in an argument.

Being educated and correcting someone who clearly is wrong on their base knowledge, in an ideal world would result into the party who's wrong admitting they were wrong. But you fall into the category that likes to try to save their incorrect position with either lying or trying to claim some manner of high ground.

common, idiotic and not to mention rude.

Oh and just to blow your picture of me out the way, I'm a finnish national that moved to america.. I have no parents to live with.

And just to be clear, the posited scenario of you being a liar doesn't involve you lying about being in the system, but your claim that you experienced a sixth amendment violation in the same way as Jeffrey here did.

@Car Kulture No my logic is based on psychology and careful study of law.

sure cutting corners does happen in law and law enforcement, but guess what, if such a thing happens, and you can prove it, and you could if you experienced what you claim to have, your sentence would be expunged in appeals court and if it resulted in a felony charge, the record cleared.

Also since we're talking, mind referring me to the court case number. Those a public record and since you adamantly claim to have experienced something, i'll go ahead and analyze it FOR you.

I'll be waiting.

@Car Kulture Oh and in case you think im simply being an ass, that i may be but i had to double and triple check my information before posting in case i may have been incorrect here.. If that would have been the case, i would have ended the exchange instead and said that you were correct and went on my way having learned something more about the nuances of law and law enforcement.

@Car Kulture Oh and in case you think im simply being an ass, that i may be but i had to double and triple check my information before posting in case i may have been incorrect here.. If that would have been the case, i would have ended the exchange instead and said that you were correct and went on my way having learned something more about the nuances of law and law enforcement.

@Car Kulture Im not liking my own comments, i type and leave. got better things to do than to spend the effort on that. correcting those that are clearly wrong is enough for me.

Just to drive home the point here.

"Police are required to stop their interrogation at the time you ask for an attorney, and cannot question you further until you have an attorney present. You must clearly communicate that you are asking for an attorney and that you do not wish to be questioned anymore."

-Intermountainlegal
-legal encyclopedia
-nolo
-wikipedia
-law.justicia

Note the use of the words *clearly communicate*.
meaning you must clearly and without question say "I want a lawyer" NOT "may i have a lawyer" Or any kind of request to have a lawyer in the form of a question.. It must be a statement that you WANT a lawyer present in questioning. Failure of the police to comply with this is a sixth amendment violation and again, ILLEGAL.

Also. funny that you would focus on the posited scenario that you were in fact a liar out of all the other possibilities which would account for your PoV.. Because in my experience, that usually means that that is exactly what's happening.

@Car Kulture Im not liking my own comments, i type and leave. got better things to do than to spend the effort on that. correcting those that are clearly wrong is enough for me.

Just to drive home the point here.

"Police are required to stop their interrogation at the time you ask for an attorney, and cannot question you further until you have an attorney present. You must clearly communicate that you are asking for an attorney and that you do not wish to be questioned anymore."

-Intermountainlegal
-legal encyclopedia
-nolo
-wikipedia
-law.justicia

Note the use of the words *clearly communicate*.
meaning you must clearly and without question say "I want a lawyer" *NOT* "may i have a lawyer" Or any kind of request to have a lawyer in the form of a question.. It must be a statement that you WANT a lawyer present in questioning. Failure of the police to comply with this is a sixth amendment violation and again, ILLEGAL.

Also. funny that you would focus on the posited scenario that you were in fact a liar out of all the other possibilities which would account for your PoV.. Because in my experience, that usually means that that is exactly what's happening.

@John Blood I don’t appreciate being called a lair I have been very respectful with this exchange but by the way you speak and carry yourself shows me you have a lot of growing up to do, I have a feeling life will humble you, best wishes and it’s not cool to like your own comments(just saying)

@John Blood I don’t appreciate being called a lair I have been very respectful with this exchange but by the way you speak and carry yourself shows me you have a lot of growing up to do, I have a feeling life will humble you, best wishes and it’s not cool to like your own comments(just saying)

@Car Kulture You're wrong. again, any amount of google search would prove it so.

You did not live through an experience like that. You either waived your rights, didn't keep your mouth shut (iE initiated conversation), signed a plea bargain or you're just a liar.

@Car Kulture You're wrong. again, any amount of google search would prove it so.

You did not live through an experience like that. You either waived your rights, didn't keep your mouth shut (iE initiated conversation), signed a plea bargain or you're just a liar.

@John Blood hopefully you don’t ever end up In the system I’d bet a lot of your notions with how the law works will be shattered, I know because I’ve seen it and lived it, the world is not black and white it’s all grey! Wish you the best!

@John Blood hopefully you don’t ever end up In the system I’d bet a lot of your notions with how the law works will be shattered, I know because I’ve seen it and lived it, the world is not black and white it’s all grey! Wish you the best!

@Car Kulture let me give you a list of what the cops can do after you ask for a lawyer.

Wait for the Lawyer to arrive and resume questioning after they have arrived and advised their client (usually in private first)

Get a warrant to search your property

Get a warrant to get forensic evidence from your person (dna etc.)

Speak to witnesses and gather evidence against you.

Once they have enough, they may charge you..

They however may not continue questioning you after and unambiguous call for an attourney has taken place, they must pack up and cease all forms of questioning im that instant.

@Car Kulture if the police have enough evidence to charge you, sure, but even then, if you say you want a lawyer then no interview is to take place.. at all until the lawyer is present.. that is as cut and dry as that.

And in this case specifically it is clear cut.. this is no an opinion or a point of view.. this is simple fact.. 10 second google search would tell you as much.

Evidence gathered outside the interview room is another matter, but any information gathered in interview without lawyer present when asked, is thrown automatically out.. cops do not need extensive interviews whenever they already have enough to charge you, deals usually come off the table and such.. otherwise you can bet that any evidence is circumstancial.

I know how this works. I have family in law enforcement.

These are rules based on the sixth and fourteenth ammendment, right to counsel and fair hearings..

And proving a waiver for counsel was used needs to be a formal one. Spoken in clear plain english "i do not require representation in questioning" or a written waiver with your signature.. anything less is invalid. ankther exception is that if you reinitiate the conversation, then the police may speak to you about the case again or ask leading questions.. this is called fishing and is a common tactic to get the person to speak first, not the case here again.

In closing, the officers in this video broke the law, plain and simple. Everything i stated to back up that assertion and the legal consequences in court are accurate as i have stated them.. being well read in law is not a matter of opinion or open to interpretation.. it is black and white in law and constitution.

@John Blood I appreciate your view but unfortunately this is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be just because you evoke your Miranda rights doesn’t stop the process plenty of people have had evidence used against when  they made further statements after evoking their rights. Rules are just words on paper and unfortunately they are not always followed, if the prosecution can prove that you some how waived your Miranda rights after you attempted to evoke them you are now fair game.

@Ghani well it doesnt matter how in reality it usually works but if his case went to trial everything in that interview, including incriminatong evidence would be automatically thrown out.. which is why officers in that position are trained to lean towards plea bargains..

So anyone in that position can just say "i wont sign anything, i will not make any deals, ill see you in court" and i can guarantee the defendant will get off scott free.. has happened on numerous occasions when the police rushed the process and were stupid enough to go to court instead of trying to plea bargain.

It has even happened when the defendants have clearly been guilty.. this is why cops should not be allowed to do this, it can ruin the states case against a criminal if he is well read enough with law to know the charges would be dismissed on a 6th ammendment and 14th ammendment clause violatiom, which it would be, regardless of actual guilt.

The constitution is king in the justice system, you violate it in the course of adverserial action against a defendant and your case is ruined.. prosecutors hate cops like this, trust me.. especially if they didnt get him to sign a plea bargain.

A majority of criminal cases these days are solved with plea bargains but all it takes is one intelligent serial killer to know that if he doesnt sign that waiver and plea bargain that the circumstances like in this video, would guarantee his release.

@John Blood i believe you btw.. But maybe a lot of the other comments know that the reality can be different.. The cop will still bust through i guess.. It's just my oppinion though.. And seeing the video myself i felt sympathy for jeff. I hope he did get clean and works in coca cola afterwards

@John Blood i believe you btw.. But maybe a lot of the other comments know that the reality can be different.. The cop will still bust through i guess.. It's just my oppinion though.. And seeing the video myself i felt sympathy for jeff. I hope he did get clean and works in coca cola afterwards

@Car Kulture yes it doea. It is illegal in the unites states to interview one that asked for a lawyer until the lawyer gets there.. any evidence or info they gain while doing so is inadmissable and can lead to a conviction reversal.. it has happenes before due to circumatances exactly like the one in this video, man questioned without legal counsel after demanding it.

You people really should read the laws on the matter before commenting. Spreading untruths on it only hurts people.

I think you have a incorrect perception on how the world works
- cops can ask you as many questions as they want
- they don’t care about your addictions or problems
- just because you ask for a lawyer it does not stop the wheels of justice from moving

I think you have a incorrect perception on how the world works
- cops can ask you as many questions as they want
- they don’t care about your addictions or problems
- just because you ask for a lawyer it does not stop the wheels of justice from moving

@FlyGuy2000 to fully drive home the point i made in the previous comment i direct you towards sthruck vs US.. where it was ruled that if during or after questioning or conviction if it comes to light that it involved a sixth ammendment violation, the conviction or indictmet must be reversed immediately.

This mans sixth ammendment right was violated.

@FlyGuy2000 to fully drive home the point i made in the previous comment i direct you towards sthruck vs US.. where it was ruled that if during or after questioning or conviction if it comes to light that it involved a sixth ammendment violation, the conviction or indictmet must be reversed immediately.

This mans sixth ammendment right was violated.

@FlyGuy2000 law says that when a person asks for legal counsel, the interview is over until the lawyer gets there. Any attempt to get information out of them can be argued easily to be dismissed by a seasoned defense attourney. Which is why these regulations are important.. they affect the states case against the defendant if evidence or even a confession was gained in violation of the defendants constitutional rights.

And its just plain wrong to do so and against any decent deparmental code.. not to mention illegal.

Bottom line, he asked for counsel, the officer was legally obligated to terminate the interview until the lawyer got there, because not doing so is illegal and any informatiom gained thereafter without a lawyer present can be dismissed in court.. dont believe me, look it up.

The 24 to 48 hours refers to the amount they arw legally allowed to hold him without charging him.

@Simqer and I like how you say food even though it was a fucking butterfinger

@Simqer and I like how you say food even though it was a fucking butterfinger

@Simqer after getting asked so many bullshit questions he was probably tired like wtf are you on about.

@Simqer after getting asked so many bullshit questions he was probably tired like wtf are you on about.

@FlyGuy2000 interviews are supposed to end as soon as a subject asks for a lawyer. Withdrawal is a medical condition and there are required to have a medical professional examine him to ensure he won't have a seizure and die from withdrawal.

@FlyGuy2000 interviews are supposed to end as soon as a subject asks for a lawyer. Withdrawal is a medical condition and there are required to have a medical professional examine him to ensure he won't have a seizure and die from withdrawal.

@PhantomSavage yeah but he kept agreeing to talk to them in exchange for a coke and a Butterfinger, which he never got. I agree with you but when he asked for a lawyer that's going to take time and when he said put me back in the cell they did. Sure they were trying to bend the rules by what you were saying but.... He was agreeing to some of the stuff in exchange for sodas and stuff

@PhantomSavage yeah but he kept agreeing to talk to them in exchange for a coke and a Butterfinger, which he never got. I agree with you but when he asked for a lawyer that's going to take time and when he said put me back in the cell they did. Sure they were trying to bend the rules by what you were saying but.... He was agreeing to some of the stuff in exchange for sodas and stuff

They interrogated him by his own consent (by offering him food and drinks)

They interrogated him by his own consent (by offering him food and drinks)

Sorry, but that only works in TV shows.  They can ask him whatever they want, they just can't use anything as evidence unless he states that he understands his Miranda rights (which at one point he does) .  As for the continued interrogations, Jeff did them willingly for Cokes.<br>As to his heroin addiction,  the detectives are under no obligation to cater to his withdrawal schedule.

Sorry, but that only works in TV shows.  They can ask him whatever they want, they just can't use anything as evidence unless he states that he understands his Miranda rights (which at one point he does) .  As for the continued interrogations, Jeff did them willingly for Cokes.
As to his heroin addiction,  the detectives are under no obligation to cater to his withdrawal schedule.

@PhantomSavage for  HOURS ON IN and they asked stupid questions and said stupid shii like" I got alil bit of something "to he has alot  and already knows everything like wtf bro why u askn me all this shii if u already know

@PhantomSavage for  HOURS ON IN and they asked stupid questions and said stupid shii like" I got alil bit of something "to he has alot  and already knows everything like wtf bro why u askn me all this shii if u already know

@Piggish he can be held for 24 hours, but not without legal representation if he demands it, which he wasn't given and was repeatedly questioned anyway.

@Piggish he can be held for 24 hours, but not without legal representation if he demands it, which he wasn't given and was repeatedly questioned anyway.

Pretty sure none of that matters when the law says the suspect can be held for 24 hours

Pretty sure none of that matters when the law says the suspect can be held for 24 hours


Point of fact: The term "antihero" itself  was coined back in the 18th century, but it is, indeed timeless. Protagonists who fit the description date all the way back to ancient Greece.


Homie is just going through the motions

Edit: This man just TOLD his interrogators he wanted to go to the cell and they listened. What a guy.


Sometimes I play Jim's videos that I've already watched as background noise instead of music when I'm doing homework. I decided to watch the last segment of the video where the guy playing Santa in the movie says "Wish in one hand, shit in the other one and see which one fills up first" and I'm currently using every cell in my body to not laugh in the middle of class while some people are trying to read 1984.


This was such a good, well put together video!


"You have the right to remain silent"
Jeff: and I took that personally

"You have the right to remain silent"
Jeff: *and I took that personally*


I just love the title how this guy is seemingly just legendary to be called "the legend of Jeff"


I think this episode was more about analyzing us, than it was about the people in the video.


That one cop could read ASMR and I’d listen to it a hundred times.


I can't tell if these videos are supposed to be  informative or funny but somehow I get both out of it 🤣🤣


As a heroin addict in rcovery, I can tell you..  being held in that interogation cell for over 7 hours is fkn brutal!

In all honesty... if y'all had an inkling of a fraction how bad that would be..it'd be against the Geneva Convention!


Can't help but respect this criminal.  A true old skool criminal mindset, if only more people had is wisdom of police tactics.


You have the right to remain silent....<br>"Jeff, answer my question. You can't just be silent.".

You have the right to remain silent....
"Jeff, answer my question. You can't just be silent.".


I do have sympathy for junkies. I've seen clever people turn into thieves.  Other ones die.   They lie, lie, lie but you still forgive them.     Prison is not for addicts

Exactly. Whilst I don't agree with stealing and manipulation you just need to look at somewhere like Denmark where their prisons are all about rehabilitation rather than punishment and they have the smallest rate of re offenders. Makes no sense putting people in a system that's gonna make them worse.

I agree. Now, only if there were a way to stop them from relapsing...?


I like that - unlike Cliff, JCS doesn't roast this guy at all. I genuinely feel sorry for this man, because he's obviously a very intelligent man and easily challenges the interrogators, especially when withdrawing on Heroin.


Literally going through withdrawal and having the cops mess with your head trying to put you away for over a decade


You’re not my friend, you’re just trying to get a confession.<br>Seems like Jeff is the only one to figure this out

You’re not my friend, you’re just trying to get a confession.
Seems like Jeff is the only one to figure this out


Jeff seems to have turned his life around now and he even has a channel now, called the same thing.

It’s up in the description under “the legend continues”

could you give us the link to his channel.


Haha! This cat has definitely spoken to police before.. he has learned


I’m sorry but “wam bam thank you for the coke put me back in the cell” had me so dead 💀🤣


I don't know what Jeff did. I hope that he's a good character, and if so, that he finds salvation rather than destruction. However, because I don't understand his character or his deeds, I can only withhold judgment. This is something that many people don't understand the importance of.


They've took your clothes, your shoes, and you're wearing handcuffs, but you ask, am I under arrest?  This guy is priceless 🤣😂🤣


I remember a friend of mine dated a stripper. She was a heroin addict. It nearly destroyed his life… What a terrible drug…


The only time i got interrogated the investigator pulled up to the scene of my arrest where i was pulled over. First thing i said is a want a lawyer. Released on ror next day and charges were dropped right after. Smartest thing you can say is nothing.


6:17 Probably the most impressive thing in the entire video. Jeff opened a can of Coke with his mouth. I would have found a way to cut my mouth up on it.


You can't just promise the dude a butterfinger and change your mind. WTF?


I gotta say this is the most colorful interview I believe iv watched


He should have just said "I refuse to talk without an attorney present"


"Jeff got clean and now works for the corporate marketing team for Coca Cola" I'm slayed.


"Do you understand what I read you?"<br>Here's the real question: Do you understand what you just read him?

"Do you understand what I read you?"
Here's the real question: Do you understand what you just read him?


Hey, they told him he had the right to remain silent...


Jeff was so smart how he handled the pigs. Be like jeff


I can attest to the fact that Jeff IS now a rep for Coca-Cola


This part was the best part of the video in my opinion but for some reason it was removed. It the part right after Jeff asks the police officer for methadone(6:18). “Sometime the manner in which words are spoken can convey far more than the actual words themselves. The admixture of pain regret and acceptance in his voice is not only palpable but harrowing it brings us back to the essential components of the antihero. He has the singular desire to accomplish his goal to which the end justifies all means yet this desire stems from the scars of vulnerability and there are few vulnerabilities more crippling than the relentless burden of addiction”.


Did Jeff have an ad campaign for Coca Cola 😂<br>First he says, "I just came here for a Coke" And then gets hired by Coca Cola...What are the odds 😅

Did Jeff have an ad campaign for Coca Cola 😂
First he says, "I just came here for a Coke" And then gets hired by Coca Cola...What are the odds 😅


In other JCS videos, they say when innocent people are accused of doing something, they argue. Guilty people calmly explain that they didn't do it.
Exhibit A @7:07


I got pingged for beating up a dude intimidating and threatening homeless Veterans (Which i was at the time) and  stealing off them i warned him to stay away from the halfway house he came back around a month after his warning and tried to beat me up with a bat lol unfortunately for him i was the Battalion super heavyweight Boxing Golden Gloves two years in a row and i absolutely destroyed him he got carted off to hospital and the Police Arrested me i was 40 years old at the time and had never been arrested before in my life where as the guy who attacked me had a criminal history starting when he was 14 years old and the majority for violence the last being 8 years for aggravated Armed Robbery and threatening to kill a woman
Those corrupt Cops knew about the long criminal history of the person they were defending but the judge ignored the three witnesses, the physical evidence and his past criminal history

I dont trust any cops anymore and i served in the Army and alot of the guys turn to law enforcement or the Prison service when they get out of the Army now im a convicted Criminal lol For Defending myself in my own home and doing the right thing and defending other vets lifes a joke or youd end up ending it all early but only losers do that and im no loser


On his place I would kindly ask that Cop to win me in tic-tac-toe 10 times in a row in order to make me speak


I needed this after watching Jennifer's solution.


Not gonna like, it's kind of fun to see the detective's head slowly implode.


We all got a little Jeff in all of us;
Sick of everyone else's bullshit, sick of the systems' bullshit, feeling sick and just wanting to lie down and enjoy our sweet and spicy water.

In other words, the kind of tired sleep just won't fix.


1:30 i lost it here 🤣🤣🤣🤣
.
Jeff: Playing a good cop?!
Cop: No usually I’m the prick
Jeff: You look like a prick🤣🤣🤣
.
He knows exactly how investigation techniques are taking place. He became expert on these kind of situations.😂😂😈


You have changed my life with this Antihero video. Thank you so much!!!!!!!❤


"Do you understand the rights as I've read them to you"?
"No"
"Huh"?
"Yeah" lol


Once they say, "you have the right to remain silent" why speak again.
What they're actually asking is do you stand under this body of words I have just spoken.
Do not answer!


"released 12 hours later"... Again, DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE!


Why don't they get him a lawyer, when he demands one. Isn't this illegal? He asked several times for it.


"You look like the prick"   ....lvl 99 charisma :D


Man, that's a long time to be a heroin addict.


Once he says "lawyer" it's game over.  Cop needs to shut up.


Jeff needs help with his addiction, he is a smart man you made the wrong decision and I would love to see him do a 360


This man needs help. Decriminalize the drugs trade & watch society heal, Addiction is a health crisis


It made SO much sense that Jeff filibustered woth silence 🤐


Who would win?

A century old system of psychology and coercion
One methhead who had just about enough already


I feel like people don't understand that alot of drug addicts are just starving artists


"i'm usually the prick."<br>"You look like a prick."

"i'm usually the prick."
"You look like a prick."


Why did @JCS remove the explanation when Jeff said "long time buddy." And the time when the officer said " thu gun that you were sitting on"?


Cops: anything you say can and will be used against you. Would you like to say anything?

Most people: Uh... YEAH! 🤪


"you look like a prick" my man jeeeeeeff


LoL,  Jeff is more intelligent than the interviewers.


police: "you have the right to remain silent"
jeff: remains silent
police: "?????"

police: "you have the right to remain silent"
jeff: *remains silent*
police: "?????"


Did the copper have a hair transplant during that 5 hour break! 😄🏃


why don't they give him  a lawyer after he asked for one?


I guess this is why so many want to reduce funding to the police.  They would have been better off utilizing a drug counselor than sending in more troops.


Everyone pay attention. They cannot proceed unless you've communicated on record that "I understand"<br>The moment you agree to UNDERSTAND, you've contractually agreed to play under their system in which you will always lose.

Everyone pay attention. They cannot proceed unless you've communicated on record that "I understand"
The moment you agree to UNDERSTAND, you've contractually agreed to play under their system in which you will always lose.


Wheres the full version of your video. I remember him reacting to sitting on a gun


So I watched all of that to not even find out what happened to him :(


Rat's are villain's and squirrel's are anti-heroes.


This guy isn't anti hero he's a patriot that stood up to the government's agent games and civil rights violations. Once a person asks for an attorney all questioning must stop immediately and cannot resume until they have seen their attorney and agreed to talk. But the police officers keep interrogating him. There is nothing a police officer can say to your parole officer, to the judge or to the DA that is going to help you. The police are lying they didn't have any evidence that he committed any crime but had him locked up in a cage. The police have already made up their mind that he is guilty and no amount of explaining is going to change that. The officers only goal was to get him to admit he committed a crime to for him to admit as much circumstantial evidence that the officers could then build a case on.


What evidence <br>Officer: ugh I can't *moves hands to a stressed position behind his head

What evidence
Officer: ugh I can't *moves hands to a stressed position behind his head


Keeps asking for a lawyer and they don’t let him have his lawyer. Kinda fucked up


Not dismissing the "he's smart theory", I'm just more inclined to see thar this man has probably been through the criminal justice system enough times to understand the system inside and out.. I would go as far as to say that he's system and street smart.. any other smart would have resulted in this man not sitting in the very seat he is sat in.. just a thought.

@Bored Your statements illustrate a fundamental lack of understanding of addiction.  Addiction has nothing to do with intelligence or making "smart choices".

Watch that show House where the main character is the best one there is at what he does but it comes some personalities that might be grotesque to the boring mainstream masses but Dr House for kicks loves to lock himself in a closet at the hospital and do fat shots of opiates “usually after a moment of stress or to reward himself” have u ever sang along to your favorite artists before. “We’ll take all your tapes and all your records and burn them because the artist that made all of them records (reeeeeeeeel fucking high on drugs)” Bill Hicks ———Tool

@Loki Averro please do not presume to know me, you cannot make valid points by insulting others.. I would gladly hear a rebuttal if you had one, even if it was in contrast to my own.. I do see how my previous statement may come across as heartless, and maybe I could have indeed worded it better, however, it does not change the factual content within it.. I do see your initial point you made earlier on in the comments, and I understand what you ment by the comment, so in that regard I do respect your point of view.

@Bored lmao that's a lot of words for "I have no empathy and use intelligence to feel superior to others."

Please allow me to clarify, especially for all those who use anecdotal evidence as fact, and for those who throw out words such as 'plenty' with no statistical basis.

Smart infers more than mere intelligence, smart also incompasses a person's ability to consider and determine the choices they make in life.. those very choices include and are not limited to societies moral and ethical standards, and the law of the land.

In Western society, (I only talk of this due to my living in and understanding of it) we have a functioning, and all round wealthy society.. this is due to the people who live in it, and the taxes they pay to keep these countries running.. this would therefore infer that we have a standard of what is smart and what is not.

Smart people get up, go to work, take care of their families and upkeep the society they live in, this is done through either moral, ethical or legal requirement or all of the latter.

Smart people (society in general) make smart decisions, I can prove this with just looking around me and opening my eyes, I live in a thiving first world country where people have made smart decisions to keep it that very way.

Now, people like Jeff are the outliers of society, again we can see this with our very own eyeballs.. he has deviated from the general social construct of good morals, ethics and legal following.

Now, he may have the sadest story known to man, this I have no idea of this, and neither does anyone else, but even if that is the case, if you are of compos mentis, and understand right from wrong, and you continue to make bad decisions, you are not smart in the slightest.. you are infact a deviant by choice, and continue to degrade your community, yourself and possibly a family if you had one.

If Jeff was infact smart he would see his bad choices as a hindrance to both himself and society, I believe he does see this, due to the fact his mental state is intact, I can also see this with the level of answer he is giving the officer.. and knowing all of this, he still chooses to deviate from society for his own selfish needs.. so again, he is not smart.. the things I have said may sound heartless, buy they are not untrue.

On a final note, there are people who have had horrendous past experiences and horrendous things happen to them, yet they have made it through and have chosen to become productive members of society, so do not do those people a misjuctice.

If you think it takes just being smart to not touch heroin, you're wrong. I'm far from the dumbest person around, knew the risks and all that, and let me tell you, when I was alone, isolated and suicidal, that shit was something that made it easier to get through the suffering. It did complicate things, but I had nothing else.

Don't oversimplify things where nuance can make a world of difference.

unfortunately a naive thought. its nice to think, im smart so i could never end up like that, but plenty of intelligent people get hurt, hooked on opioids, lose jobs, get disabled, lose support networks, and end up in situations like Jeff.


Honestly if they didnt have evidence against him pinned on him he has a point what evidence if got nothing on him then cant say he did it reason he dont like them because he been in jail many times and know their games way they work so hes not having it hes like you hate me i hate you you want lock me and try deceit me and i say fuck you im not talking good


Not me thinking he meant coke and not Coke when he said thanks for the coke.


i was hoping for the "hello my name is jeff" :)


I'm not talking and I want a lawyer. Either I'm under arrest and I'm not talking or take these bracelets off and I'm going home.


Yayayayay!! No BluDot in the middle of the screen 📺 <br>You’re the best !!

Yayayayay!! No BluDot in the middle of the screen 📺
You’re the best !!


Wait, where’s the part where they ask him about gun?


The whole reason I came up here was to get a fuckin coke!!! Legend!


Does anyone else find it very disturbing how easily coca cola can stand in for methadone?


Did those two cops quit their job out of sheer embarrassment?


when you put "the Legend of-" i have to click it lol


I'm also curious about why the videos are being shortened, this one was much longer


There’s a very good solution to dealing with the “Jeffs” in the U.S. Do what Indonesia and other countries do, institute the death penalty for the scumbags that smuggle and traffic drugs.

@Ugandan Big Chungus Keanu Ebic Sussus Amogus Ligma It is ridiculous to just randomly murder people who have been on drugs, I agree there, but there is such a thing as punishment. You can't just ignore the crimes committed by a former addict, but the death penalty is way too much. I read another comment about how rehab itself is could be the punishment, which is okay as an idea, but difficult to build on and make effective.

@Dancing Pen I'm saying that giving the death sentence to people just because of how you feel they 'ought' to be 'dealt' with is ridiculous, I'm just building off from your comment.

@Ugandan Big Chungus Keanu Ebic Sussus Amogus Ligma I'd have to disagree with you. Retribution for what?

@Dancing Pen nothing good can come from spite, no such thing as punishment just retribution.

He's not smuggling them, he's an addict, and now he's an artist. This is quite the harsh mindset for someone purporting to be human.


he found the loophole on the miranda rights, you can just stay silent


Jeff was last seen bumming a ciggie off the ANOM shaman


Omg! 5 hours later! That’s a long time….


That duded has been doing heroin for 14 years and he is still alive? What the heck!


Why am I picturing Christian Bale as Jeff the whole time?


Sigma male behaviour right there (semi sarcastic)


I can tell you one thing. Jeff ain’t no musician.


Jeff, the junkie with a heart of gold lol.


Tried to butter Jeff up with a butterfinger.  Lol


This is the best fuckin Coca-Cola ad ever lmao


Hancock (Will Smith movie) = ultimate antihero


Never talk to the police. Ever. They are never on your side.