Just being in the presence of Derpy is enough to be reformed

@Shawn Pickett Pauley💙🎩 Derpy is the princess of muffins

apparently not for fluttershy in shed.mov

apparently not for fluttershy in shed.mov

@Nero Vanitas XIII and muffin king (I know she's a girl)

@Sawtooth Waves and in both timelines she was sick on the second time

@Gkienenb I hope he does but we don't know if he's currently making one about derpy or not

@Gkienenb I wonder if sawtooth will ever see these comments

@Windy Whistles MLP  Yea i really hope so too

@Windy Whistles MLP  Yea i really hope so too

@Totally_cotten I hope sawtooth does because i dont remember seeing any videos about her

@Totally_cotten I wonder if sawtooth will make a video about derpy

@🖤Lanny Le Artist💜 I think sawtooth should make a video on why derpy's cutie mark isn't a muffin.

@Totally_cotten I think derpy is a muffin princess. I just thought of this: why isn't her cutie mark a muffin?

@ulysess oliveras THE MUFFIN PRINCESS ?  THAT LIVES ON DERPY LANE!

`•».𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑜𝑚 𝑔𝑎𝑐ℎ𝑎 𝑒𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑧.«•´

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 what does 169 mean

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 what does 169 mean

@Nero Vanitas XIII Oh ok! I kind of like her

@Nero Vanitas XIII Oh ok! I kind of like her

@Windy Whistles MLP It's not part of the video just a joke because Derpy is one of the best characters

How is the presence of Derpy is enough to be reformed? I didn’t watch the whole thing

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@Unicorn Fairy thorax is just a baby changeling. So pharynx is just a close friend of ocellus.

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 Well my curious YouTuber Animal Jam is a television show produced by the Jim Henson Company in 2003. The show is a wild, music-driven, live-action dance show designed to be "interactive," and encourages viewers to get up and dance along with the characters. The show is hosted by Muppet characters Edi and Waffle.

@Sawtooth Waves I think chrysalis thinks friendship is for ponies and dragons. She think it's an illness or a virus. She thinks it colonialism.

@Sawtooth Waves chrysalis is a cool changeling.

@Sawtooth Waves chrysalis is a cool changeling.

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@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 That sounds logical

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 That sounds logical

@Shawn Pickett Pauley💙🎩 pharynx is a fun loving boy and ocellus is his energetic girlfriend.

@Unicorn Fairy chrysalis is super busy mom and thorax is her sick weak son.

@Sawtooth Waves to get it out today but I'll be there in the world

@Sawtooth Waves you gave examples in fixed 7 timelines. But doesn't the multiverse supposed to be more?

Her name is Muffins. Calling her D*rpy is very offensive to her and disabled people and is considered a slur which is why her name was changed canonically

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@Sawtooth Waves You should do a video for Seaquestria

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@Unicorn Fairy
Pony🦄 Equestria Land🏞🏰 is one of the Other Worlds🌎 🌍 🌏

@Sawtooth Waves we don't need anyone but Derpy, the true hero

@Sawtooth Waves I think in the final timeline where Equestria was a wasteland was a result of all of the villains fighting in an all out brawl that destroyed them and everyone else.

@Sawtooth Waves Equestria is a strange place.

@Sawtooth Waves Equestria is a strange place.

@Shawn Pickett Pauley💙🎩  are you ok? Why do you use emojis after almost every word?

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴 <br>Don't be silly🤪, you Banana🍌 Old Brain🧠 😠. Nightmare💭😱 Moon♀ is the Evil💀 Mare👸 of the Moon🌕

@ponyhorse & muledonkey.🐎🐴
Don't be silly🤪, you Banana🍌 Old Brain🧠 😠. Nightmare💭😱 Moon♀ is the Evil💀 Mare👸 of the Moon🌕

@ulysess oliveras <br>Wait. Who's the princess of muffins?🤨

@ulysess oliveras
Wait. Who's the princess of muffins?🤨

@PALICORN HQ
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I just love💖 Hero🦸♀ Endings 😇.
P.S, with Heros🦸♀ around, Goodness😇 always triumphs😤 over Evil💀

@Sawtooth Waves I think that she was defeated by others

https://youtu.be/YsYVSo2bhTA
Finaly it'''s here

https://youtu.be/YsYVSo2bhTA
*Finaly it'''s here*


Honestly the nightmare moon timeline didn't seem too bad. They must have figured food out, and ponies had jobs at least.

@Sawtooth Waves I have another idea for the discord timeline.
As a last resort to beating Discord, Celestia summons Nightmare moon, who was once before her sister Luna. As a swift shadow, she flies thorugh the portal, ready to finish what she started, but before Nightmare moon is able to attack Celestia, Discord releases a massive amount of chaos magic, forcing the two rival sisters to work toghether. Just as a powerful spell is about to hit Nightmare moon, Celestia intervenes to save her once beloved sister, and casts a magic shield around her, but is instead struck down herself. Towering over her, Discord laughs hysterically. Nightmare Moon smiles. Now that sure is something, ending both Disord and Celestia at the same time. Celestia...Nightmare moons eyes flashes, as something inside tries to scream out, or someone. A young pony, who gleemed like the moon. "Luna" The nightmare whispers to herself. Tears start to stream down her face. Her twisted eyes looking into the scared little filly's eyes, who terrified runs away, hiding behind her big sister screaming with pain. Horrified, she realises this is exactly what she did to her sister.
"No! I don't want this!"
"Yes, you do." The voice, the dark, twisted voice inside her digs it claws into her mind again. "End them both."

With her heightened power she charges at the others, who seemingly doesn't care about her precence. How foolish of them. The dark powers burn strong within her, as she goes for the winning blow. Her sister looks up, and for the first time in a thousand years, their eyes meet. The tears in her sisters eyes finally wakes Luna up.
"This is not who I am!" She yells, to Celestia, the universe, to herself, and as of a dust of wind a heavy weight lifts from her shoulders.
"Luna?" Celestias voice is thin, trembling as if being held on by only a thread.
"Sister?" Lunas eyes are filled with tears. She throws her hooves around her sister, giving her the longest hug of many moons, not ever wanting to let go.
"I'm so sorry, can you ever forgive me?"

"Forgive you?" Discord laughs behind a tub of  popcorn. "Well this is just marvellous!"    He gives them a wicked smile, saying:
"You just gave up the only thing capable of defeating me! I have won!" The sky cracks open, as chocolate rain starts pouring upwards. Laughing, Discord dances in the rain, celebrating his victory.
"I'm sorry sister, I seem not to be able of doing anything right, this is all my fault."
"Don't say that, sister dear." She says wiping Luna's tears away. "You came back, I missed you so much, I  have been so lost without you. If this is how the world ends,I am  glad I get to spend these last moments with you."' Looking at her sister, Luna smiles softly.
"So am I."

What most people seem to forget is that if night last forever there would be no day, so plants that require the sunlight would end up dying and you have to change your entire diet, changing an entire planet's atmosphere basically going from a planet that had life that thrives during the day and life that thrived at night it would end up being only a planet with life that thrives at night. Anything that required the Sun would most likely die, funguses, lichen and Moss are things that probably wouldn't give ponies a lot of nutritional value by themselves. However I believe that out of all the other possible worlds The Nightmare Moon one is the lesser of the evils, so it's probably better than some of the other outcomes, but it will have consequences that most don't think about.

@BreadBird it's hard to say. All we see is a few ponies under her employment currently doing their jobs. But I'd say it's likely they were allowed to live their lives as they so chose. The reason she became jealous in the first place is because the ponies admired celestia more, so I think public opinion would be her highest priority after taking over equestria. All she wanted was ponies to enjoy her night after all. It doesn't make sense to make them miserable.

did she give them any freedom or free <b>time</b> ?

did she give them any freedom or free *time* ?

Марина Гаврилова

@Sawtooth Waves It’s possible Twilight was going by how much control ponies had in their life. In the first timeline, ponies living in Equestria were free and fighting King Sombra’s Empire. In the second, only a village of ponies in the Everfree Forest were free from Queen Chrysalis’ rule. By the third timeline, Nightmare Moon seemed to have control of all of Equestria, as did the timelines after that.

@The Nameless One but in other timelines things aren't much better; none of the villains ruled Equestria in harmony

@Textingstories Yeah, but did you read all the comments under this one? She willingly without any hesetation killed the timber wolfs and the everfree forest covered all of Ponyville (I'm not saying the forest part is necessarly her, I'm saying that she didn't try to stop that, and one of the reasons why that timeline was bad from (at least) Twillight's point of view). She also banished Celestia to the moon (That probably felt devestating for Twillight that her mentor lost and that as sisters, they weren't happy together). Also, saying that she wouldn't torture anypony will be just a lie. I imagine that Nightmare Moon kept them in this timeline to figure out this "time magic" and if Twillight for some reason couldn't use her magic and also didn't dpeak up, then she would, for example, kill Spike (I hope, as a last measure case, I don't even want to believe she was that evil back as Nightmare Moon)

Honestly, if food is figured out I’d rather live in constant darkness too. Tbh

Honestly, if food is figured out I’d rather live in constant darkness too. Tbh

Yeah, night mare moon didn't want to harm anyone. She just wanted to be noticed and appreciated, so she gave them jobs, food, and all the necessities.

@Optimus prime polska <br>Yoo no speek engeesh coracktlee

@Optimus prime polska
Yoo no speek engeesh coracktlee

@Optimus prime polska <br>I don't think so

@Optimus prime polska
Yea
Torture and mental suffering is better than eternal darkness

@Optimus prime polska
Yea
Torture and mental suffering is better than eternal darkness

@Sawtooth Waves ponyville didn't exist celestia was the one who showed apple jack's family so no

Luna didn't plan on doing anything bad she just wanted to rule with eternal night that's it

@Sawtooth Waves it would have been nice to have chryssy on their but that train has left the sation.

@Sawtooth Waves also the only thing thorax has found is what happens to those who turn their back on the hive.

@Sawtooth Waves the hunger of changelings can never be satisfied.

@Sawtooth Waves the hunger of changelings can never be satisfied.

@Sawtooth Waves you know nothing of the changelings or what it takes to be their queen. Because chrysalis decides what is best for her subjects not some mewling grub.

@theAstarrr spike is just a dragon twilight hached from an egg.

@theAstarrr spike is just a dragon twilight hached from an egg.

@Adamguy2003 I prefer the anti social twilight sparkle.

@Adamguy2003 I prefer the anti social twilight sparkle.

And it looked like they had a thriving tourism industry, too!<br>It's certainly better than the timeline in which Queen Chrysalis won.

And it looked like they had a thriving tourism industry, too!
It's certainly better than the timeline in which Queen Chrysalis won.

@Sawtooth Waves it was bad for her bc she wasn’t the main character

@Sawtooth Waves it was bad for her bc she wasn’t the main character

I agree it dident seem like she had slaves rarity seemed to be freely working there

I agree it dident seem like she had slaves rarity seemed to be freely working there

@סיון קאופמן  - When King Sombra came back and took over, Twilight couldn't free those under Sombra's spell. The helmets aren't actually the cause, but rather, a separate spell they were unable to break

@Dreamheart101 she has an army of unicorns who can take the mind control helmet off, just saying what some guy said in cinemasin mlp video

@Bo Braekevelt fair enough - (I would hate it though, but it does sound better than eternal day) - just my theory

@theAstarrr ofcourse they would get used to it, theres people in Norway and on the poles that live months without it turning day too, they got used to it too

@Bo Braekevelt if it was always night it would be really hard for anypony to sleep but ok

I mean, evening people still need sleep or they are super tired. I guess maybe they’d get used to it tho lol

@CrazyGreenFluff we never saw any clues of how she controlled society tho, Celestia is technically a dictator too you know so theres no clues that she went that overboard, for all we know her civilians are just doing normal pony things but in the night instead of in the day, like people in really cold countries right now, they sometimes go months without sun and they ain’t moving.

@theAstarrr aight lets just conclude, for evening persons, introverts and gamers the nightmare moon timeline is heaven, for all other pony’s its hell. I’d say thats pretty fair seeing the other half of society has some quality time then.

@Sawtooth Waves nightmare moon is a power hungry dictator, the only safe space is likely the castle (everywhere else being taken over by monsters) so there's only a few hundred ponies alive, and there's probably some insanely wack laws that must be followed or ponies face punishment O.o //just my theory tho

@סיון קאופמן - What else what she supposed to do?<br>Her plan in the original timeline involved stomping Sombra before he ever got the chance, so fighting mind-controlled ponies probably wasn't her first choice. I doubt she wanted to do that - she wasn't given much choice.

@סיון קאופמן - What else what she supposed to do?
Her plan in the original timeline involved stomping Sombra before he ever got the chance, so fighting mind-controlled ponies probably wasn't her first choice. I doubt she wanted to do that - she wasn't given much choice.

@Sawtooth Waves Here is my theory.

I think that Nightmare Moon becoming a dictator and forcing her rule is worse. I'm fairly sure that ponies' lives were ruined, if not directly by Nightmare Moon's actions, then by eternal night and having their sleep cycles completely messed up.

Not to mention that since Celestia is banished, nopony is going to use the Elements of Harmony to guard Equestria against anything else bad...like Chrysalis and Tirek for example.

Extra Note: Were Celestia and Luna chosen to rule by other ponies such as Starswirl and his friends maybe appointed them to in the future(before they turned to stone and all that)?

Because if they were just dictators anyway and chose to rule themselves, that does make a difference.

@Daisy4Life True, but I wasn't trying to say that the people in the other timelines were happy. I'm just saying that the Nightmare Moon timeline was pretty bad as well.

@The Nameless One no cause being happy and starving and homeless isn’t possible

@The Nameless One no cause being happy and starving and homeless isn’t possible

@Sawtooth Waves then that opens up a whole other can of worms.

@Sawtooth Waves then that opens up a whole other can of worms.

@סיון קאופמן she's not even a queen. On top of that, Sombra was going around, enslaving and kidnapping ponies and throwing Equestria into a war... what else was she supposed to do? She had no other choice but to fight in hopes to stop his riegn.

Celestia's country was being attacked. As far as I know of, there was no way they could have removed the mind control with any type of spell. What else was she supposed to do? Even if she WAS the one attacking Sombra, killing him would probably be the only way to free the mind-controlled ponies. Besides, I don't think that she would force ponies to join the military. All of the ponies on Celestia's side were most likely there by choice. I'm not saying Celestia's perfect, I'm just saying that they were at war, and she didn't have any other options.

Hi, just want to point it out, in the timeline where sombra was in control, celestia wasn't the good guy as well, she litterly sends other ponys to fight (and probably kill) the other ponys witch are MIND CONTROLLED BY THE WAY, so yah, celestia is not the best queen to ever exist

@Cameo Shadowness oh my god i never thought of that- maybe she just razed ponyville to the ground??

@Sawtooth Waves we saw how ruthlessly she was willing to kill fleeing timber wolves. We don't see any Ponyville, it was all covered in forest meaning Nightmare Moon let an entire town go under and who knows what else she did. Remember the Map didn't change locations.

I mean, maybe they had jobs and could eat, but in the Nightmare Moon timeline, they were all miserable. Is being able to live really all that better if you have to live that life in constant misery?

yeah for sure!! twilight was insisting that each timeline was worse than the last, but i don't know by which metric she was deciding that. that part of the episode didn't make sense to me


Discord for sure just popped her back to her normal, reformed form once he took over.

He doesn't wanna mess with Nightmare Moon. He doesn't even know her. But Luna? That's about as fun as Celestia! Of course he'd wanna mess with the both of them together! He's done that directly before he was turned to stone, after all.

Discord for sure just popped her back to her normal, reformed form once he took over.

He doesn't wanna mess with Nightmare Moon. He doesn't even _know_ her. But Luna? That's about as fun as Celestia! Of _course_ he'd wanna mess with the both of them together! He's done that directly before he was turned to stone, after all.

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But, dude, Nightmare Moon♀🦄(😈)🖤 is the Evil💀 Princess👸 of the Moon🌕,
Pony🦄 Celestia♀🦄(😇)🤍 is the Good😇 Princess 👸 of the Sun🌞, and Pony🦄 Luna♀🦄(😇)🖤 is the Good😇 Princess👸 of the Moon🌝.
P.S, pony🦄 Celestia♀🦄(☀)🤍 and pony🦄 Luna♀🦄(🌕)🖤 are sisters👩❤👩, and the Good😇 Rulers👑 of Canterlot Town🏙, Equestria Land🏞, in the Pony🦄 World🌎 of Equestria Land🏞

The "Discord for sure just popped her back to her normal, reformed form once he took over" part I thought that at the beginning of the video.


I got a question: Didn't Discord break free of his stone imprisonment the first time due to the Mane 6 becoming connected to the Elements? Since I believe Celestia stated that the cause of his return was her and Luna, who banished him into stone, no longer being connected to the Elements anymore. So would Discord have still returned, or is it just the "after one thousand years banishment" thing? How would all that work?

I thought they did it the first time they were there but whatever

@jelly  forever 12 poor chrysalis but serves her right.

I think magic was weakening cuz there is no way that cmc was the only people fighting that ever walked past the statue so I just think his magical is weakening and he was going to be for you to soon eventually so when the CMC started fighting next to the statue that just broke the magic faster cuz it was already weak

I always thought the 3 were fighting because of discord's presense. It seems unnatural for them otherwise. We were basically getting a first taste of what his powers could do.

@Шакарим Копжасаров poor chrysalis. But I wouldn't feel too sorry for her.

I who do not know English: what the hell are you talking about?

Шакарим Копжасаров

Discord didn't break free because some fillies were fighting nearby. Celestia says he escaped because she was no longer connected to the elements. Since Luna turned into Nightmare Moon, she lost her connection earlier.

It was just a matter of time before Discord escaped, which became even shorter when Celestia was no longer connected to them.

Celestia couldn't use the Elements against Nightmare Moon because she wasn't as strongly connected to them. As one person, she couldn't truly embody harmony. It could be that her connection was slowly fading anyway. So it just took longer for Discord's prison to weaken enough for him to escape without Celestia being fully disconnected from the Elements.

Personally, I always imagined it as more of a 1000 year build-up that had nothing to do with the Elements themselves. Though they were the force to create the spell, it's also not the only things that can do a similar effect (As seen when Celestia, Luna and Discord turning Tirek, Cozy and Chrysalis into stone), they were more of just a burst of power needed to contain him for that long. But I imagine the spell weakened when more friendships broke around it- Him becoming free was harmony itself fading, not the Elements of Harmony. Just so happens that the more people who fought around the Discord statue weakened the spell more and more and the CMC was the last straw to free him if that makes sense at all.

That is indeed the reason. The CMC fighting was just the extra push that freed him.

I assume that they lost that connection when Celestia banished Luna to the moon. I guess it still took 1000 moons for the stone to weaken.

Honestly, the argument could've been started by anyone, and there are timelines where no one argued at that spot at all. Simple as.

I don't really think that's a possibility cuz discord broke free cuz of fighting and disharmony, and Celestia and Luna lost connection with the elements cuz the mane six were connected to them, but there was no mane six so Celestia and Luna would still have connection with the elements

The catalyst to him being freed was the CMC fighting while they were visiting the garden where his statue was. But I also think there's a component of magical erosion going on here. Over several years the odds of 2 or more ponys not getting at least a little testy with each other near that statue would be next to zero. So the reason the CMC fight was the trigger might've been because the confinement was so old at that point that their fight broke the camel's back so to speak. That's what I think at least.

It think that the magic fades away over time so then she got freed and twighlight already mind nightmare moon luna 🌙

@DorianDaxivader Actually, it was because of the cmc fighting after the spell on Discord was already weakened due to the elements no longer being connected to Celestia and Luna. The full picture matters here. Not just the details.

@McKayla Barnes yeah I know that's  what I said

@DorianDaxivader it was because they where fighting. Discord broke free because of fighting because fighting=disharmony which is what discord basically means.

I thought it was because the cmc were fighting


I will personally never get tired of these multiverse videos. Theories about how differently the world we know could have become due to small actions is endlessly entertaining because there are endless possibilities! Although, from the thumbnail, I thought you were going to talk about the options for a makeshift 6, not discord timelines. A future video, perhaps? I'd love to see your take on who Celestia could have rounded up in lieu of the main 6 and what they could accomplish! (And how they failed hehe)

Same, i love all of Sawtooth's theories and ideas they come up with that other people don't really care for, pretty nice seeing all the creativity in their vids. =]

Same. Time travel is just too interesting to do in fiction. At least when it's done right.


The idea of the Makeshift Six being our favorite background characters is already appealing even if they did fail. Lets be honest though, Derpy would be way too powerful to beat and so I doubt it happened.

@Freddy Sans Fimfiction is the main website for all MLP fanfictions, you can find the whole Lunaverse collaboration there.

Because thorax wasn't just chrysalis's subject but also her son because she gave birth to him.

@Winter Song That's good to know thanks. Might even check it out. Fanfics are like rule 34. If it exists there's fanfics about it, and you can get all the variety your heart could ever want... or not want. The good, the bad, the ugly and of course, the absolute abominable travesties.

There is an entire fanfic community based on that concept called the Lunaverse where instead of Luna turning into Nightmare Moon it was Celestia that became a tyrant and was banished. And Trixie along with Derpy, Lyra, Carrot Top, Cherilee and Raindrops became the new elements of harmony.


Some fun alternate time lines , feel free to discuss them more

1A: Discord is never broken free from stone because the CMC never argued because the CMC never became friends

1B: The CMC become friends with a different combination of ponies  the discord event doesn't factor in  but rather then hooking up the CMC as we know then Apple Bloom befriends Twist, Sweetie Belle  befriends Diamond Tiara  and Scootaoo befriends Rumble (well you can change the friends around but point is they hook up completely differently)

2: What is your alternate main six?  is it the six background ponies?  is it Sunset Shimmer, Trixie and Starlight?   is it some pone else?  Would it maybe be the CMC? Would it be the siblings of the six?  and what alternate jobs would the main six do?

3: If G5 is in the future how far has the equestria girls counter parts progressed?

4. If Sunset shimmer  never left for the human world would she be good or evil?  would she befriend Starlight and Trixie still?  How would she face the big villains of the show?

5. What if the Apple parents never died?

6. What if  Spike had lived in the dragon lands from the start?

6B  What if spike after being raised by ponies has ruled the dragon lands?

7. What if the Pillers never got banished and had children and those children were still around running things?

8. What if Moon Dancer had been along side Twilight helping her throw-out her journey ?

9. What if Fluttershy never fell off her cloud and became a wonder bolt?

10. What if we changed every thing? Show us one time line with the most changes in it  but where things still work out. How many of your ideas or any number of other ideas can all fit on one time line ?

Here are some more:

What if Sunset had never gone to magic school, and she instead became a villain in Equestria?

What if another student (Moon Dancer, Sunset or Sunburst) was the one who hatched Spike instead of Twilight?

What if there were seven elements of harmony, the extra one being redemption. Then Sunset would become that element in Rainbow Rocks for the Rainbooms, Starlight at the end of Season 6 when she defeated Chrysalis for the Mane Six,  Stygian for the Pillars when they pull him out of the Pony of Shadows, and Cozy Glow learns the importance of friendship from the Young Six in the series finale, and turns on Tirek and Chysalis.

What if Celestia and Luna's fight didn't turn her into Nightmare Moon, and they kicked off a generations long war?

What if Luna reformed King Sombra, and he became king of the Crystal Empire again, but ruled better this time?

What if Sunset never ran away, and was the student Celestia sent to Ponyville to defeat Nightmare Moon. What if she became the Princess of Friendship instead of Twilight?

What if Starlight and Sunburst both went to magic school together, and she never created her cult. What if she got mad at Celestia for kicking Sunburst out, and was the one who ran to the human world through the portal?

What if Grandpa Gruff didn't allow Gallus to stay at the School of Friendship at the end of School Daze, and the Young Six were missing one of the elements, and their friendship fell apart?

What if Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy didn't catch Twilight when she fell of that cliff  in Episode One?

What if Flim and Flam won the cider contest, and took over Sweet Apple Acres, making the Apples move all the way to Appleoosa?

What if Discord was freed before the Mane Six met?

What if when Twilight helped Sunset up after she lost her memory in Forgotten Friendship, Sunset's ability to read minds kicks in and she sees Midnight Sparkle, panics, and runs away, and none of them ever got their memories back?

What if Celestia went evil instead of Luna, and Luna had to imprison her sister in the Sun? What if Luna had been the ruling princess that Twilight looked up to?

What if Pinkie's parents died when they were kids, and Maud had to raise her three sisters?

What if Granny Smith had never found the Zap Apples, and her family starved to death before any of their crops could grow in?

What if Rarity and Blue Blood had actually fallen in love at that first Gala, and she moved to Canterlot to be a princess?

What if they never turned Mud Briar back into flesh in Student Counsel, and he was just a hunk of rock for the rest of the show?

What if Starlight and Sunburst grew up in different towns and  had never met?

What if Equestria employed the death penalty to all the villains? No one would have a chance to reform.

What if Starswirl had never sent the Sirens to the human world, and they were still terrorizing Equestria?

What if Stygian had never gotten the Pillars of Equestria together?

What if Rainbow Dash became a Wonderbolt before she met Twilight?

What if Fluttershy didn't promise Discord she wouldn't use her Element of Harmony against him?

What if Scootaloo's parents had taken her with them on their travels, and she never met the CMCs?

What if the Changelings didn't reform, and just ate Thorax and Starlight instead?

What if Chrysalis's Mean Six were able to actually wield the Elements of Harmony?

What if Twilight hadn't noticed anything wrong about Cadence before the wedding, and the real Cadence was trapped underneath Canterlot for the rest of her life, while Chrysalis pretended to be her for years?

This comment got away from me. Thinking up alternate timelines is just so much fun!

I feel like 4, 7 and 8 would have a lot of changes to the timeline

Some of those questions remind me of a story idea I've considered fleshing out, an AU where all the Elements of Harmony are unicorns. I might call it "Magic is Friendship". Not sure how silly I want to get, but it was partly inspired by a recurring BIT in Ultra Fast Pony:
Purple Twilight is Twilight Sparkle;
Blue Twilight is Trixie;
Orange Twilight is Sunset Shimmer, who never went to the human world and became rivals with Sparkle;
White Twilight is Moondancer, who joins the first story when Twi did show up at her party before going to Ponyville;
Considering Lyra for one, but unsure;
and lastly Starlight Glimmer, who has a bit of a weird way getting into things, is Pink Twilight.


Let's give a BIG thanks to Sawtooth Wave for giving us an amazing content for us to enjoy and he always makes our day or night even <br>better keep it up

Let's give a BIG thanks to Sawtooth Wave for giving us an amazing content for us to enjoy and he always makes our day or night even
better keep it up

@Weird_Aroace sawtooth loves fun and exciting stuff.🎊🎉

@Sawtooth Waves was queen chrysalis a dear friend to you?

They use they/them pronouns, but other than that I agree!


Sawtooth, didn’t Discord come before Nightmare Moon? I thought she didn’t become evil because there was no time to. In the potion flashback episode (I think it was the S4 premiere) Zecora said that Twilight needed to go further back in time than Nightmare, and that’s when she saw the Discord defeat. After the Discord defeat is when I assumed they took a leadership role, and then the Nightmare stuff happened. Am I wrong? Can you clarify where this fits in?

Yes but remember,everything before the rainboom is the same


Can we just appreciate how they spend their time on videos to make us happy

@x it's not cringe lots of people use they/them pronoins


I really loved the idea of the alternative timelines being directly tied so tightly between one and another. The idea of Celestia trying to create a replacement for the original mane 6 is more than possible. However, you brought up a point that I think would make a great video: why didn't Celestia purified Nightmare Moon herself? I might have a theory. It's not only about the fact of having or not one if the virtues, but also about bonds. Let's assume that the elements of Harmony are powered by the strength of their users' bond with each other and then look at who wielded the elements with who: we have the royal sisters, probably the firsts to have wielded the elements as we know them, Celestia by herself and then the mane 6. We already know that, even if they love each other, the royal sisters have their fights, so their bond is decently strong. However, the bond of the mane 6 is arguably stronger (sidenote, we need to address the fact that, when they got discord-ed, not only they lost their virtues, but their bond as well). And lastly, there's Celestia's bond with herself: she feels guilty about what she did to her sister, and what she has to do. Despite resonating with the elements, her bond with herself is the weakest, so much so that she's forced to use her own magic on top of the elements' (the Golden aura that enveloped the elements' rainbow). If we assume that different spells require a certain amount of power, we have our answer: Celestia, weighed down by her guilt was too weak to eradicate the corruption from her sister and so, she had to banish her to the moon, waiting for someone that not only could resonate with the elements, but had the potential to create a powerful bond with the other bearers.


Yes, Sawtooth theory video time again!...however it could be possible that the reason why there was no Nightmare Moon in the Discord timeline was because Celestia and Luna turned Discord to stone before the Nightmare Moon thing, but since Discord was never defeated in that timeline then that meant the royal sisters were too busy dealing with Discord for Luna to have any time at all to become Nightmare Moon...at least that's my theory.

@willow the octo agent that is a lot to take in but wow

Or maybe this is what happened what happened with Nightmare Moon did happen but differently maybe Nightmare Moon was trying to take over Luna accept it couldn't for we take over this time and instead Luna banished it somewhere and where it was banished to? Maybe next to where Discord was imprisoned and it set him free the sisters notice this and tried to put to his reign and it ended with them being banished after that the ponies of Ponyville noticed they wouldn't be taking him down any soon but that's when somebody mysterious came over the taken down it was none other than chrysalis trying to steal the love of Everypony around her and to do so she had to take him down of course she succeeded As We Know and he got banished and because of this attack Everypony had to live inside the everfree forest the one that started this mess however dangerous or not they had to follow the plan if they wanted things to be normal and they needed somebody to rise up to her and take her from her reign as well and of course if they picked none other than King Sombra Umbreon that used to be a pony that used to be the ruler of the unicorns when they were separated however inherited dark magic when they kicked him from his reign but of course they forgotten about his dark Greed for power and manipulation of course he knew he couldn't take her down in the face the changelings and he took the battle to the Crystal Empire As We Know of course she was defeated and he was miles away from Ponyville by now but then he realized he was in the front of a new type of Empire known as the Crystal Empire here he will take back his place as their King however instead of being taken down by some type of villain the ponies somehow figured out about the crystal heart and put it to the test and took him down for a while things were peaceful without the princesses warning them about Tierk and his brother Ti brother back down as We Know and Tierk succeeded without his brother's help but there was no one here to stop him this time the Flim Flam Brothers somehow put a stop to this and took over Sweet Apple Acres but later because it originally was in season 2 and of course they turn ponyvill into some type of factory which ended because something happened to them which turned the place into some type of wasteland because they turn the town into a factory before this which ends all-timelines or for now

That's exactly what I was thinking. The only thing that could disprove that theory is that discord was banished first with or without the main 6, so nightmare moon would have been freed before discord. Which brings up the theory that someone reformed nightmare moon in that timeline before discord came and in the other one, nightmare moon wasn't reformed.

Maybe the reason why she is reformed when fighting Discord is because what happened with nightmare Moon's didn't happen at all so no villain thought taking over would be possible since they never had an incident like that but then Discord gets freed like normal but this time because of the main 6 not being there the princesses had to take care of him themselves but due to them not having control of the elements no more he manages to take over no problem but they'd still trying to stop him and it ends with him chasing them of course could be wrong....

@Shawn Pickett Pauley💙🎩 well if u look at it that way then yes

@Dhruv Singh <br>But, dude, it's Good😇 Possible because of the Magic🌠 of Friendship💑 that defeats villains👿

@Dhruv Singh
But, dude, it's Good😇 Possible because of the Magic🌠 of Friendship💑 that defeats villains👿

@Fizel Shiba <br>I'm still a happy😊 Fan of Rainbooms💥 and of the adventurous🧭 Rainboom⚡ Heros🦸♀ that I still believe🌟 in 😠

@Fizel Shiba
I'm still a happy😊 Fan of Rainbooms💥 and of the adventurous🧭 Rainboom⚡ Heros🦸♀ that I still believe🌟 in 😠

@pokeball boy25 <br>Nightmare💭😱 Moon♀(🦄🌠🕊)[☁🌙 + ☁⚫, 🌙⚪](😈🌕🌌)🖤 is one of the Forces☠ of Evil💀, and Pony🦄 Luna♀(🦄🌠🕊)[☁🌙 + ☁⚫, 🌙⚪](😇🌕💛)🖤 is one of the Forces☠ of Goodness😇

@pokeball boy25
Nightmare💭😱 Moon♀(🦄🌠🕊)[☁🌙 + ☁⚫, 🌙⚪](😈🌕🌌)🖤 is one of the Forces☠ of Evil💀, and Pony🦄 Luna♀(🦄🌠🕊)[☁🌙 + ☁⚫, 🌙⚪](😇🌕💛)🖤 is one of the Forces☠ of Goodness😇

that is not possible because the past won't change only the incidencs after the rainboom will be altered

https://youtu.be/YsYVSo2bhTA
Finaly it''s here

https://youtu.be/YsYVSo2bhTA
*Finaly it''s here*

Except as pointed out, the only difference in all the timelines (at least at the start) was no Rainboom. Everything until that point was the exact same. So Discord was already a statue and Luna was already in the moon.

I could so picture a timeline where Luna never became Nightmare Moon.


"fillies, colts and enby folks."

YES

I LOVE THIS


I think that all alicorns born with wings who had the given to them when they became an alicorn have colored wing tips<br>So that means cadance was born as a pegasus. And flurry has colored wings because she was born with magic of all three times. And it explains why cozy glow has colored wing tips too! Some food for thought ;) PS I love your videos and theories sawtooth!

I think that all alicorns born with wings who had the given to them when they became an alicorn have colored wing tips
So that means cadance was born as a pegasus. And flurry has colored wings because she was born with magic of all three times. And it explains why cozy glow has colored wing tips too! Some food for thought ;) PS I love your videos and theories sawtooth!

Ooh that’s a cool idea!
I know it’s 100 percent canon that flurry was born an alicorn but I still like to pretend that she was born a pegasus as only ponies from the alicorn kingdom like Celestia and Luna can be born alicorns
I just like to think that way but I know it’s not canon of course lol

𝐀𝐝𝐨𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐄𝐥𝐢𝐳𝐚 🤍🎄


Okay, so I was just rewatching MLP: A New Generation and I noticed something. Whenever a character is seen without an object of clothing, it signals a shift in the character’s role. This is shown in various examples, such as Queen Haven getting arrested and presumably losing her title as queen shortly after losing her crown and Hitch losing his badge shortly after Sprout becomes sheriff, and Sprout gaining the military attire when becoming emperor. In short, changing clothes is established as a shift in the role a character plays in the story.

With this information, I point you to the opening scene with Sunny and her father, when Phyllis came to take her son away. Notice anything different about Phyllis? She is not wearing her VIP badge. With the precedent set by other characters in the story, I believe that  this is implying that Phyllis was not the head of Canterlogic at this point in time, as she has said VIP badge in every scene after. However, as shown by her intrigue about Sprout gaining power, It can be assumed that she attempts to gain power and founds Canterlogic soon after.

While this theory fleshes out Phyllis’ backstory a bit more, the game-changing information comes a few scenes later during the Canterlogic presentation. In what is an important line from a theorizer’s viewpoint, the announcer states “As the founder of Canterlogic, she (Phyllis) has been keeping us safe and stylish for the last 20 moons.” This is so important because it is the framework to answer one of MLP’s biggest mysteries, the question of how long a moon is. Since this line is referring to the time that Phyllis has been head of Canterlogic and if we assume that Canterlogic does not exist in the opening scene,  then 20 moons can’t exceed the time between the jump in time from that scene to the present day.

Now that we have the framework for the length of the moon, we still have two important questions to answer, how long is the time skip in the first part of the movie and when in that time period did Phyllis found  Canterlogic.

For the first question, we must find out what the age of young Sunny and older Sunny is. To do this, we must use rules established by G4. For years I have assumed that ponies age at a similar rate to humans rather than real life horses, as in “For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils” we see a 5 year old Sweetie Belle, if Ponies grew up at the rate of real life horses, Sweetie Belle would be a full grown mare, not a toddler like in case of the scene. Furthermore, as we can see, current Sweetie Belle is significantly taller than her 5-year old self, confirming that she is significantly older then 5 years old. Likewise, we know that Sweetie Belle is not a teenager, as she is shorter than ponies that we assume to be teenagers, such as Biscuit and Spur in “Growing Up Is Hard to Do.” With this information, one could assume that Sweetie Belle’s age ranges from 8-12 years old. With this in mind, let’s turn our attention back to young Sunny, who is a similar heigh in comparison to adults as Sweetie Belle. Thus, we can assume can Sunny Starscout was anywhere from 8-12. With the same logic applied to adults, we can infer that Sunny Starscout, now a young adult, is anywhere from 18 years old to her early 20s. While there is no way of telling her exact age, lets just assume median values to make the solution easier to reach. Let’s assume that young Sunny is around 10 years old and adult Sunny is around 20 years old. With this assumption, that would mean that there is about a decade between the since with Sunny and her father and the rest of the film, which would mean that 20 moons can’t exceed a decade.

Now the second question is trickier to find the answer to, as nowhere in the film is their even the slightest clue as to when Phyllis became head  and founder of Canterlogic. This is a question that we just have to wait for any hint of an answer during the show. But for the sake of my argument, let’s just assume the most extreme position, that Phyllis created Canterlogic shortly after her argument with Argyle. In this assumption, that would mean that Phyllis was head of Canterlogic every year during the assumed decade time skip. This would mean that 20 moon would be the equivalent of 10 years, meaning that there is at most 2 moons in every year, making a moon a biannual event.

Does the answer rely on assumptions and stretching logic? -yes

Does it contradict evidence in FIM? -most likely

Will it get contradicted in the new series? -probably

Is it the most sound theory given the information in MLP A New Generation?- I like to think so.

@Emily Bondevik For Earth.

And it isn't a month. It's 29.5 days.

But that wouldn’t be possible cause if Sunny was a kid then and this was 2 years ago, then Sprout’s mom wouldn’t be ceo that easily. So moons couldn’t mean months. I think 20 moons is 20 years (or a century)

So if 20 moons would be nearly 2 years. (12 months is a year)

We have official information that one moon is one month...


My mind has been blown once again by Sawtooth. It’s been a while, I first watched this guy when he was Brony Notion years ago, it’s nice to watch his videos again

@୨KiraTheFox୧ 💭 "they" is both a singular and plural pronoun. all english dictionaries have this. grow up.

@୨KiraTheFox୧ 💭 “i” is literally a pronoun, you can’t just “not believe” in pronouns, they are used EVERYDAY, and are taught in English class in schools. 😐

@Gacha Fandom k even tho I don't believe in other pronouns

@DorianDaxivader you did nothing wrong! We’re human, we all make mistakes sometimes, have a great day/night!

@Gacha Fandom oh yeah I see that now sorry 😅

@DorianDaxivader the person who made the comment said “he”, I’m aware that “guy” or “man” can be used as gender neutral, that’s not what i was implying ^^

@Gacha Fandom guy is a gender neutral term bruh

@Sawtooth Waves hey just wanted to say your videos are so entertaining and fun to watch! I love your theories

They use they/them pronouns, but other than that I agree!


I love your theories! I'm so happy you didn't leave g4 when g5 came out!

@🌘Jenny Melanie Jema🌟 No dont be afraid i luke both but trust me G4 is way better

not enough to work with for one thing!! but i also just love the world of mlpfim


Another awesome video!

But I think the problem for answering the timeline question for everyone is that there are just too many uncertainties and too many variations in individual headcanons since there is no official answer to say how strong the villains are. There are just too many possible ways of stuff happening that depend on many possible variables that have no universal answer. But that's what makes it great - It leaves space for speculation and awesome theories.


On a narrative point of view
I like the idea of a timeline where discord freed Luna to be the one she defeats him and takes over. You know as a, "aaah my hubris!!" Type plot line.
And Celestia freeing luna herself and getting her sister back feels much more rewarding emotionally.

Just some thoughts


love how sawtooth posts my little pony theories in 2022... they're a national treasure 🥺


The only question I have in regards to Discord stealing Nightmare Moon's corruption is the fact that Luna has two different appearances, differing in coat shade and the presence of a semi-translucent mane, supposedly due to being in a depowered state after being reformed. The next time we see her in Luna Eclipsed, she had supposedly regained her lost magical power.

However, in the Discord timeline, the Luna we see is in the "re-powered" state, and if Discord truly did remove the Nightmare magic from her (which could probably leave her even more depowered due to it being removed by force), why did he allow her to regain her lost magical energy?

The only question I have in regards to Discord stealing Nightmare Moon's corruption is the fact that Luna has two different appearances, differing in coat shade and the presence of a semi-translucent mane, supposedly due to being in a depowered state after being reformed. The next time we see her in _Luna Eclipsed,_ she had supposedly regained her lost magical power.

However, in the Discord timeline, the Luna we see is in the "re-powered" state, and if Discord truly did remove the Nightmare magic from her (which could probably leave her even more depowered due to it being removed by force), why did he allow her to regain her lost magical energy?

Maybe him using magic on her "recharged" her and he was too focused on funsies to notice or care.


In the idw comics in the reflection arc. we see that derpy is a element of harmony along with gilda, flim and flam, chrysalis, lighting dust and trixie. So your theory isn't so far-fetched. If every version of equestria has different wielders of the elements


Just a sudden weird thought... The wasteland timeline was the result of Cozy Glow. It would actually finally make that timeline make sense. (Oh hey YT thank for notifying me of comments... And I will point out even Sawtooth said Cozy Glow's plan could have still been enacted without the school!)

@StarTheAngel and this is what i think is the main reason why that timeline was the one to change her mind

The mare of the moon sure liked herself.

I believe it's Starlights timeline because without cutie marks ponies can't use magic whatever, Applejack lost her ability to buck and her strength and Rainbow Dash lost her flying skills meaning that if she took over Equestria earth ponies can't tend the land, pegasi can't control the weather, nobody to raise the sun and moon etc.

Not possible. Since Twilight's school wasn't made until season 8, that means she never gathered the artifacts, never defeated the Storm King, and never had to deal with Cozy Glow. In that timeline with the wasteland, Cozy would've been a normal pegasus filly with no desire to rule as empress.

Nope, not possible. The artefacts she used to drain magic were brought together by Twilight, after the storm king was killed. No dead storm king, no access to all the needed artefacts for a pegasus filly. And because of this, no drained magic. That is assuming she would have tried to drain the magic in Equestria earlier if the main 6 weren't around. A massive assumption by itself.

But she wouldn't be able to rule without the Mane 6 since that's how she found the artifacts to drain the magic


You always make great theories! I think Celestia freed Nightmare Moon as Lauren Faust stated. Maybe Nightmare Moon was reformed by Celestia, because Celestia simply talked to her. She gave her side of the story, told her how much she missed her and showed her Discords chaos. Maybe Luna forgave Celestia? Or maybe she transformed just visually back to Luna and after defeating Discord she attacked Celestia and banished her to the moon. Nightmare Moon was too fast for Celestia and it was a complete suprise attack.


Nightmare Moon: Wins against Discord.<br>Chrysalis: OK your time is over.

Nightmare Moon: Wins against Discord.
Chrysalis: OK your time is over.


It's funny how no one's noticed how Luna's shorter than Celestia and has been around for over a thousand years

Even though somehow less than a century goes by and twilight is as tall as Celestia

Does this mean Luna will always be short

omg that's a great theory. I think it's because the moon is a lot smaller than the sun. Hence why Luna is shorter than Celestia. I also think that Twilight became so tall because she gained both luna and celestia's powers.


I think you should read the comics, specifically friends forever issue 3 with spike and Celestia. I know it isn't cannon but it does set up that Celestia could have fixed everything but wanted twilight to learn


Thank you Sawtooth!<br>I've always been so confused as to why Luna was reformed in that timeline.😉

Thank you Sawtooth!
I've always been so confused as to why Luna was reformed in that timeline.😉


Luna's escape was an inevitability, meaning it was SUPPOSED to happen. All casted magic has a limit to it, and the stars were nothing more than the seal on an envelope of slow-time in which Luna was imprisoned in.


sawtooth is legit the game theory of MLP and i’m loving it 😭


Wow. That's mind-blowing, especially with Discord taking Nightmare Moon's dark magic. And Season 2 Discord was a lot more sinister than later Discord, so sensing a twisted, corrupted magic and weaving that into his own chaos magic would be something he would do, which I think would be easy for him considering how Equestria's Chaos magic seems to function.


Great theory as usual! For some reason in the discord timeline though, discord let luna regain her magic? Weird.


We’ve seen Celestia and Luna wield the elements of harmony before but Celestia only wilded  Magic,Generosity and kindness while Luna wielded Loyalty,Laughter and Honesty

I believe Celestia needed a pony to wield the elements individually in order to reform another pony

My second theory is that some pony befriended Luna bringing her to redemption

I mostly think the elements were symbols the real reason ponies where redeeming was that of friendship not the elements themselves


I love these theory videos. So much thought goes into them, it's so intriguing.


“The forces of good aided in Nightmare Moon’s escape” has me thinking about the Spirit of Harmony again (despite the fact that I’m always thinking about it/them)…

Imagine the Spirit being the one behind the stars aiding the escape (Discord has been seen to be capable of controlling the sun and moon, so for an entity supposedly just as powerful controlling the stars would be highly plausible), when Discord is in rule.

It would be sort of like a Suicide Squad (although just one villain, not an actual squad), where the Spirit is aware of Celestia’s/Equestria’s defeat, and in a last attempt releases Nightmare Moon to defeat Discord, and whoever wins depends on the universe.

It makes you think about how the Elements, when in Celestia’s use and possession, sent Nightmare Moon to the moon, and the Elements were an extension of the Tree of Harmony, which is a part of harmony, which is then embodied by the Spirit of Harmony. Did the Spirit control everything that the Elements did (send Nightmare Moon to the moon, reform Luna, turn Discord to stone twice… that’s it I think)? Even just not deflecting Starswir’s unfinished spell was probably intentional, because Discord had been seen deflecting magical spells, and The Stare, (excluding the Elements, but they don’t really count), with ease?

“The forces of good aided in Nightmare Moon’s escape” has me thinking about the Spirit of Harmony again (despite the fact that I’m always thinking about it/them)…

Imagine the Spirit being the one behind the stars aiding the escape (Discord has been seen to be capable of controlling the sun and moon, so for an entity supposedly just as powerful controlling the stars would be highly plausible), when Discord is in rule.

It would be sort of like a Suicide Squad (although just one villain, not an actual squad), where the Spirit is aware of Celestia’s/Equestria’s defeat, and in a last attempt releases Nightmare Moon to defeat Discord, and whoever wins depends on the universe.

It makes you think about how the Elements, when in Celestia’s use and possession, sent Nightmare Moon to the moon, and the Elements were an extension of the Tree of Harmony, which is a part of harmony, which is then embodied by the Spirit of Harmony. Did the Spirit control everything that the Elements did (send Nightmare Moon to the moon, reform Luna, turn Discord to stone twice… that’s it I think)? Even just _not deflecting_ Starswir’s unfinished spell was probably intentional, because Discord had been seen deflecting magical spells, and The Stare, (excluding the Elements, but they don’t really count), with ease?


I absolutely love these alternate timeline theories! Very fascinating. Keep it up Sawtooth!


I always thought that this mus be discord's first reign, and that this was the past where Luna and Celestia weren't enemies yet. But explaining this now makes me realise that they had first defeated Discord without the main 6. All they needed was the elements of harmony.


In Mlp? Spells wear off, but artifacts STILL WORK! So the elements would fall to someone else if our mane 6 aren't available.


I personally think that the idea of Celestia freeing her in one timeline while Discord frees her in another is the most plausible. In four timelines she is freed; the true one, the Nighmare Moon one, the Discord one, and the Chrysalis one. And then in the others, no one sees any reason to try and free her, so she stays trapped.<br>Also, that BURN on Chrysalis, just glorious.

I personally think that the idea of Celestia freeing her in one timeline while Discord frees her in another is the most plausible. In four timelines she is freed; the true one, the Nighmare Moon one, the Discord one, and the Chrysalis one. And then in the others, no one sees any reason to try and free her, so she stays trapped.
Also, that BURN on Chrysalis, just glorious.


~secret alternate alternate timeline~
Nightmare Moon: breaks free
Discord: snaps fingers "You're a clown now."

*~secret alternate alternate timeline~*
Nightmare Moon: *breaks free*
Discord: *snaps fingers* "You're a clown now."


Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us, Sawtooth! Your multiverse ideas are fun to listen to. ^_^
Discord being the one to restore (and possibly free) Luna in an alternate timeline is an interesting scenario. He seems to be stronger than the royal sisters combined, so he'd probably be stronger than Nightmare Moon.
I wonder why it took Celestia a thousand years to find new Element bearers. Maybe the Elements were so magically damaged after she used them against a fellow bearer that it took a long time for them to recover. I also can't help but wonder if the disharmony created during the first Nightmare Moon incident combined with Celestia using the Elements in a negative manner weakened Discord's stone prison. It could explain how he broke out not too long after Nightmare Moon.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, the Element of Magic only appeared after Twilight had her realization. I wonder if the Element of Magic actually vanished right after the banishment spell was cast. That or Celestia hid it in a separate place as some kind of test.


I think a mix of all of them took place. It started as one timeline. The one we know and turned to the Starlight timeline then the choices than Celestial made changed the timelines and put them in two. Two with a new main six and two with Nightmare Moon then once all of these are put out the next villain comes along.


Perhaps there was simply a time limit on the spell Celestia used in the first place. She cast a 1,000 year banishment spell, so Luna (as Nightmare Moon) was freed simply by the time limit expiring. Especially since they knew when she would be released long ago enough for it to be written in the book from which Twilight learned about Nightmare Moon.


Keep the multiverse theories coming!! Super interesting idea!


Well, looking back in other seasons— such as when twilight sparkle drinks that weird white potion in I believe “Princess Twilight Sparkle” one of the times in the past that she gets teleported to is the one where Luna and Celestia confront discord. This was before the mane 6 got the elements of harmony, when Twilight witnesses the day that Luna transforms into Nightmare moon somewhere in those same 2 parts, she is in the form of our regular Luna that we all know. This theory is good, but, unfortunately, nightmare moon comes much after when Celestia and Luna defeat him. Therefore, in the timeline that Discord has taken over, it took place before nightmare moons arrival—rather, transformation.


As we know, Celestia and Luna, with the help of elements of harmony, imprisoned Discord in stone.  And it seems that this happened even before the Luna became Nightmare Moon.  And if we assume that in the alternative future in which Discord won, Luna simply did not have time to turn into Nightmare Moon, it turns out that the elements of harmony and the main six were not needed for her reforming.

Как мы знаем, Селестия и Луна общими усилиями с помощью элементов гармонии заключили Дискорда в камень. И похоже, что произошло это ещё до того, как Луна стала Найтмер Мун. И если предположить, что в альтернативной будущем, в котором Дискорд победил, Луна просто не успела превратиться в Найтмер Мун, получится, что элементы гармонии и главная шестёрка для её перевоспитания не понадобились.


“Fillies, colts, and enby folks” really made me smile. Thank you


I just thought of something... around a year ago you made a video talking about how the portal works. You were also trying to figure out what other creatures would turn into after heading into the human world and it got me thinking... it has happened twice now (once with Queen Chrysalis and another with Ocellus) that after a changeling has transformed into a pony, they got ladybug cutie marks. What if... changelings turn into ladybugs in the human world??? I mean it's a possibility right??


I love how you picked doctor hooves derpy Lyra bon bon vinyl and Octavia to be in the makeshift mane 6 such a cute team


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I really love this idea.  I was writing a fanfiction about the background 6 and this gave me some new ideas. I love all of your videos!!


Something that I’d wanna see…<br>What would a world be like with that makeshift Mane 6 if they were quite literally the most luckiest out of all version of the “Maneshift 6”

Something that I’d wanna see…
What would a world be like with that makeshift Mane 6 if they were quite literally the most luckiest out of all version of the “Maneshift 6”


Best princess, but I wonder if luster dawn ever became an alicorn.


Amazing job SawTooth Waves. I really enjoy these video’s. Keep up the good work. Have a wonderful day.


You could also consider that when we see Luna in Discord's timeline it might not actually be Luna, making a fake Luna to torture Celestia would be pretty funny to him...


your videos are very addicting  and it feels like going inside a rabbit hole


It’s so great to see these timeline theory’s even though the show is over with the mane 6 but nobody will ever forget their legacy


I love the idea of discord releasing Luna for funsies. Just a normal Tuesday activity


I’m just confused how those timelines were affected by Starlight. If Starlight’s interference had the same to no influence, how did the two timelines end up different?


This is very interesting... I like the Discord VS Nightmare theory where 1 AU he wins and the other she wins... maybe he defeated her and that was enough to reform her... or he used his chaos magic to make her look like young luna?

I feel likes its a bit farfetched tho to say nightmare moon could defeat discord considering the power gap


Interesting, though for Nightmare Moon's release to have been intentional, the book Twilight was reading must have been "deepfaked" by Celestia. Thus it seems to me that the option where she is released in all timelines is the more likely.<br>And if there is corruption magic to remove that would indicate that Stygian, Sombre, and Luna all were impacted by a similar force. Does that mean, as I suspect, that the "Pony of Shadows" is part of ancient magic like Windigos and was weakened but not fully removed by Starswirl and co.?

Interesting, though for Nightmare Moon's release to have been intentional, the book Twilight was reading must have been "deepfaked" by Celestia. Thus it seems to me that the option where she is released in all timelines is the more likely.
And if there is corruption magic to remove that would indicate that Stygian, Sombre, and Luna all were impacted by a similar force. Does that mean, as I suspect, that the "Pony of Shadows" is part of ancient magic like Windigos and was weakened but not fully removed by Starswirl and co.?


Kind of off topic with the video but I had a thought: in the new my little pony movie a new generation do you think the other creatures still survived if so how did they act without magic? Hippogriffs need a magic to turn into the sea pony forms and if you need magic to fly how did the griffins function? Or are they just straight up extinct??


Theory: Celestial had the power to do everything the main 6 accomplished but it was more of a test as they will later in the future rule equestria and they needed to be prepared


I've always wondered what the other timelines were like. We only saw 3 of them in detail. I know the writers probably did that so the episode wouldn't exceed the 22-minute mark, but it's still interesting.


Damn, I haven’t seen your content since I was 5 or 6. Maybe 7, Idunno. I was actually really happy to see that you’re still making content, let alone the exact same content. I was OBSESSED with your content, and it’s still really amazing how in depth you go with your theories. If you see this, have an amazing day, week, month, etc. you deserve it. :]


This is the greatest thing I've ever seen


The time lord is very pleased by your timeline videos


I love it when the fandom brings up plot holes!


The show is really clear on this. The book Twilight reads at the begining of the very first episode answers it.

"On the longest day of the thousandth year, the stars will aid in her escape"

In order for that to have been written in the book, it must have been known beforehand that Luna would only be up there for a thousand years. Twilight just happens to be alive during that time. NMM would have returned no matter what. She has to be a factor in all timelines because her return was already inevitable long before the sonic rainboom happened.

What's much less clear, and more interesting to speculate about is how Discord could have possibly returned without the mane 6 & crusaders, or how Chrysalis's plan worked without a wedding taking place if Cadence and Shining never met due to Twilight failing the royal exam.


My dude is single handedly making mlp into the mcu years after the show ended


Love how this was my childhood show and now after watching literally ALL of these videos

Dam I missed a lot - this just me?


We see Discord make the day night cycle random when he's in control, meaning his magic is strong enough to override Celestia's to control the sun and moon. Probably when he took that power, the seal keeping nightmare moon locked away was broken since Discord is not connected to the elements like Celestia is. So Discord could have inadvertently freed her without realising it. Surprising Celestia as well. And maybe Celestia has to choose how to use the elements with Discord on the loose and Nightmare Moon free she has to choose whether to Reform her sister or turn Discord back to stone. And the 2 timelines are the results of her choice. One where Luna is reformed and one where Discord is defeated but Nightmare Moon takes over.


5:37 - I like how with any other character we would ask "Why'd he do that?" but with Discord we don't even question it and assume he would just for shits and giggles


By far the most intriguing thing about the multiple timelines is that actually, yeah no, equestria survived fine against 1-5 of the world ending calamities without their help. Raises so many possibilities


you know, this would be a fun mini series! like you did with reforming the villain's!! trying to figure out how each timeline came to be, or at least the most likely of them, i think it could be fun to watch and do!


Wait, but when Starlight traveled through time, she didn’t exactly create multiple timelines, no? I mean, stuffs got back to normal, it’s just that she messed up the singular timeline for a good 30 minutes… I mean, Zecora even says how she and the other surviving ponies “weren’t supposed to be”, and if there were multiple timelines, you’d think that’d they’d just ‘be’ in their timeline?


hey! i was kinda wondering if the book that closed at the end of mlp was actually the book that sunny’s dad was researching and that’s how the G5 came to be so doesn’t that mean sunny’s dad was a really important part of G5?


I have a theory that might line up with this. I think without the mane six, the elements of harmony may have never even been formed. In the timeline where Discord takes over, it looks like when BEFORE Luna became Nightmare Moon. If this is true, then she never became Nightmare Moon in that timeline and she was never "released" or even banished. As for the one where Nightmare Moon rules, Celestia maybe finds a different way to banish her sister but she escapes anyway and defeats her sister. No elements of harmony, no mane six, not even a different mane six

This makes no sense as everything was the same before the rain boom as the timeline was created by starlight stopping the rainbow so everything has to be the same before then


What about the Bewitching Bell? Discord could have found it after being released from stone and used it to steal the magic from Nightmare Moon like that to win the fight. When posing as Grogar he said he knew where it was, so why can't this be a possibility?


I don't think the show creators thought about it too much so it is insanely satisfying that you can still find a good explanation for it all


I feel like this 1 episode could feed a whole army of hungry Sawtooth Waves-


I mean I have been theorizing from the beginning that Twilight's best friend Moondancer became Celestia's apprentice.  Then she basically almost replaced Twilight.  The timeline changes dramatically but she with friends from and outside of ponyville face the villain's, the only difference is when they end up failing to defeat the villain's.  In the nightmare moon timeline, they somehow don't reform her, whether because the party was too small or because Moondancer couldn't figure out what Twilight did.  In other times they fail for various different reasons.  I have no idea what they are but I do know they fail to completely replace the main side thus not making them infallible.  The discord timeline could be one where Moondancer fails to uncorrupt herself and thus fails to uncorrupt the others.


Or perhaps, Celestia gained a deeper connection to the elements banishing Nightmare Moon the first time, and then when she brought her back in the Discord timeline, that deeper connection allowed Celestia to reform Luna. (I know it sounds weird but I don't like logic so, I'm going with it)


In the Nightmare Moon timeline, Rainbow was watching the battle between Starlight and Twilight with the 2 bullies. That could have caused her to tip the balance and be unloyal with bad influences. She might have helped Nightmare Moon gain power.


I think it's more likely that Nightmare Moon's return came before Discord's return. If you think about it, the reason Discord broke out was because of the Celestia no longer being connected to the Elements, and because of the CMC having their fight right in front of him (I'm still wondering why that fight even happened in the first place). So, if the Mane 6 never came together, and Nightmare Moon was released due to the celestial bodies, then it would make sense that Celestia's lack of presence and Nightmare Moon's takeover would be enough to break Discord free.<br>I think what may have happened is that in the Discord timeline, Nightmare Moon was reformed when she realized what Celestia's absence meant for Equestria and attempted to bring her back. Unfortunately, by the time Celestia was returned, it was too late, as Discord had gotten a hold of the Elements of Harmony. In the Nightmare Moon timeline, however, either Discord's escape hadn't happened yet, or Nightmare Moon had gotten her own set of Mane 6 (specifically, the 6 ponies that acted as her royal guard, including Rainbow Dash) to wield the Elements in her stead, possibly using them against both Celestia and Discord. Keep in mind that in the main timeline, Nightmare Moon was setting up obstacles that tested the Mane 6 in their respective Elements, including trying to sway Rainbow Dash into abandoning her friends. I think in the Nightmare Moon timeline, the race that decided the fate of Equestria may have affected Rainbow Dash's loyalty and faithfulness to her friends, because if you remember, the reason the race even happened was because she was defending Fluttershy's honor, but because the race was interrupted by Twilight and Starlight's battle, that race never got finished, and Fluttershy was effectively abandoned.

I think it's more likely that Nightmare Moon's return came before Discord's return. If you think about it, the reason Discord broke out was because of the Celestia no longer being connected to the Elements, and because of the CMC having their fight right in front of him (I'm still wondering why that fight even happened in the first place). So, if the Mane 6 never came together, and Nightmare Moon was released due to the celestial bodies, then it would make sense that Celestia's lack of presence and Nightmare Moon's takeover would be enough to break Discord free.
I think what may have happened is that in the Discord timeline, Nightmare Moon was reformed when she realized what Celestia's absence meant for Equestria and attempted to bring her back. Unfortunately, by the time Celestia was returned, it was too late, as Discord had gotten a hold of the Elements of Harmony. In the Nightmare Moon timeline, however, either Discord's escape hadn't happened yet, or Nightmare Moon had gotten her own set of Mane 6 (specifically, the 6 ponies that acted as her royal guard, including Rainbow Dash) to wield the Elements in her stead, possibly using them against both Celestia and Discord. Keep in mind that in the main timeline, Nightmare Moon was setting up obstacles that tested the Mane 6 in their respective Elements, including trying to sway Rainbow Dash into abandoning her friends. I think in the Nightmare Moon timeline, the race that decided the fate of Equestria may have affected Rainbow Dash's loyalty and faithfulness to her friends, because if you remember, the reason the race even happened was because she was defending Fluttershy's honor, but because the race was interrupted by Twilight and Starlight's battle, that race never got finished, and Fluttershy was effectively abandoned.


One thing everyone seems to forget is that Celestia controls the sun. The sun is a star. "The stars will aid in her escape" with that in mind, this phrase opens up the fact that Celestia believed that after a thousand years, Luna would be open to negotiating with her and possibly becoming reformed.


my theory is the Elements of Harmony needed to store enough power to Revert Luna. They not only stripped her of her magic they reverted her body to an earlier state. This also explains why Celestia kept the Elements in the old castle instead of moving them, she removed the temptation. She could have easily moved them like she moved Discord's statue to the Canterlot Garden.

I also had the idea she started Celestia's school for gifted unicorns to find the Bearer of Magic. So it's possible if Twilight didn't surge she chose another unicorn to be her personal student after Sunset Shimmer.


Like many have said the elements were loyal to celestia and luna, the ones who turned discord to stone, but when they changed loyalty to the main 6 the stone spell was weakened. Some may argue that it was the CMC's fighting that freed him, but i think that because the spell was already weakened by the elements changing hands the CMC's bringing a little "discord" into the area was enough to free him. Although this couldn't have happened in the alternate timelines so how was he freed?

It is likely nightmare moon was freed after a thousand years in all the timelines and was just overpowered by other villains in the ones we didn't see her in. As for the two we did see her in what if celestia's gamble was not for freeing Luna but freeing Discord! I know it sounds weird but it kinda makes sense, the outcome of this makes either the nightmare moon timeline or the discord timeline and for celestia the discord timeline is better. In the nightmare moon timeline celestia was banished to the moon but in the discord timeline where discord beat/reformed nightmare moon, celestia would have to live in eternal chaos but she'd be reunited with her sister.


Discord came before nightmare moon every existed he must of just defeated celestial and luna


I think that Discord could have been the one to bring back Luna and take away her magic, because in the timeline we continue with, he was able to give magic to Cozy Glow, Tyrek, and Chrysalis when he was pretending to be Grogar. Or, if it wasn't him, then I have a theory that at first, the real Grogar brought everyone together, then while they were walking around, looking for the bell, he found Grogar, and vanquished him again. Though Discord did admit to pretending to be Grogar to bring the villains together in friendship, as the Main 6 had done for him, he also could have lied about it, in order to bring less panic to the ponies, who were already worried sick about the freed Tyrek and Cozy Glow, and the returned Chrisalis.

These are my theories, and either the first is true, which cancels out the second, or the second is true, and now that's a whole new theory.


Yes but think of it this way when the main six were there with discord he controlled both Sun and Moon along with his chaos so technically Luna would not  have anything to get jealous of so Luna could also still be just Luna there's some food for thought


I wonder how these alternate timelines would end up looking if we fast forward them to when Sunny was around. How would that affect our new mane 5? :)


Something I've realized while thinking about the villains free for all theory is that we only see the present time as of the Starlight incident. This means that what we see could be simply a snippet of the full picture where the situation isn't as bleak as it seems. You where catapulted into the Twilight vs Tirek fight and didn't get to see how it ends then you would probably assume it was a Tirek wins doomsday scenario. Who's to say that's not happening in any of the other timelines seen as Twilight only sticks around in a few timelines and in a lot of them the fight is still going


My Perspective on this: In the episode the return of harmony celestial revealed that she and Luna had Just discovered the elements of harmony therefore they turned Discord into stone BEFORE Luna became nightmare moon but with Discord in control Luna’s jealousy that led her to become nightmare moon never came.


Discord could’ve just snapped her back to be evil


2:49  Celestia is facing the right side, while when Luna is trapped she's facing the left


my guess on nightmare moon being freed was it was an automatic thing, like perhaps when the stars were in the same alignment as when she was imprisoned, that let her escape.  My guess is that Celestia knew it would happen and started to prepare when the time was right


When you think about it, wasn’t each timeline further in the future? So wouldn’t it make sense if each villain owed their success to a previous one? I could be wrong but it’s just a thought


Discord is for me the most powerful creature. He can literally rip a portal to "our real world" and would send tree hugger there out of jealousy


So what I think how she got your form is by if her magic is strong enough to take her out of the Moon she can get out and this word won't notice a thing or if this could let her out and she wants her off somewhere and say needs and he takes away her magic that's a whole different story line. But it's still a mystery to find out.


i don’t think nightmare moon and discord could’ve coexisted. when we first met discord in season 2 celestia explained that “since luna and i are no longer connected to the elements, the spell has been broken,” implying that if celestia defeated nightmare moon herself, discord would’ve never returned.<br>so regardless of how everything with nightmare moon played out, celestia would’ve had to created a “makeshift 6” or allowed anypony else to use the elements in order for discord to take over.

i don’t think nightmare moon and discord could’ve coexisted. when we first met discord in season 2 celestia explained that “since luna and i are no longer connected to the elements, the spell has been broken,” implying that if celestia defeated nightmare moon herself, discord would’ve never returned.
so regardless of how everything with nightmare moon played out, celestia would’ve had to created a “makeshift 6” or allowed anypony else to use the elements in order for discord to take over.


My theory, for each timelines:
Sombra timeline: The “forces of good” release Luna because they know full that Celestia can defeat her, Celestia use the element of Harmony to banish her sister again. Then also use it to defeat Chrysalis because their no wedding in this timeline. Since she still kept the elements, Discord can’t escape. Because of defeating all that enemies in a short time, when Sombra comes, she has no way to defeat him because she is exhausted. So Equestria’s army has to fight Sombra.
Chrysalis timeline: I think your theory is good
Nightmare Moon timeline: I think Celestia miss Luna Soooo much that she release her on the longest day. Luna comeback and she steal the elements from her sister in some vulnerable moments. Since the elements have linked with both the sisters, Discord is not released. With the power of the elements, Chrysalis is killed under the hand of Nightmare Moon. I think this timeline is the darkest timeline of all.
Discord timeline: Your theory is Amazing
Tirek timeline: I think that this used to be a Discord timeline and like in our timeline, Tirek fooled Discord and rule Equestria
Flim Flam Timeline: Plain stupid, run out of villains, pass
The last timeline: I liked the idea of the Shadow pony but this timeline is too messed up to make a theory


5:00 he might of also put that corrupted magic INTO the elements, making them completely unusable, which he then reshaped into the gems on his chaos king's hat.


I'm confused. Wasn't discord released from stone because the mane 6 broke Celestia's spell when they took away the elements? "I thought the spell we cast would contain him forever. But since Luna and I are no longer connected to the elements, the spell has been broken."(S2 E1 6:12 on Netflix)

How did discord escape? I think it's more likely that another threat, like Tirik, could have pressured Celestia into freeing Luna.

What confuses me more is: How did Sombra come back? Discord didn't bring him back to boost Twilight's confidence, so then who did? I'm starting to think Discord might be a liar, either about his intentions to help Twilight or about his responsibility for Sombra's return.

Assuming he's telling the truth, Nightmare Moon and Discord and by extension King Sombra all seem to need Celestia to loose her connection with the elements. So how does it happen?

All very confusing. Gotta hate trying to make sense of time travel.


SAWTOOTH! THIS IS AN AMATEUR THEORY BUT LISTEN: Without the sonic rainboom, Applejack probably wouldn’t go back to Ponyville, which means no mane 6, but that also means that when Applebloom didn’t want to go to Diamong Tiaras cutesineara, Applejack wouldn’t usher her to go, which ALSO means that no CMCs, and that which leads to no fighting to break discord out. (there might be flaws in this theory but it just came to me) Thank you for listening to my TED talk.


If we could only get a mini series (or a comic series?) about those timelines someday...


I liked the video, but you're wrong on two points.

First, I don't think Discord would have broke free like he did in the other timelines ; I recall Celestia explaining he was freed because the Elements of Harmony were no longer tied to the Sisters who imprisonned him, but to the Mane 6. If so, then he should have been freed another way, being the Elements getting tied to another set of Mane 6 like you said, or by mean by Celestia, or just with time.

The other point is, we're not just in parallel universes with alternate versions of events, we're in a split of timelines ; each differences between the timelines are due to the time travels. That's why Twilight and Spike end up in different timelines after each travel. So it can't be that same events just went different for no reason in two different timelines, the course of event of each timeline is unique.

Now that I'm here, I'd like to talk again about my comment on the video about the forgotten timeline, the original timeline going on without the time travelers.
I wondered, if the travelers ended up in a timeline that isn't theirs, tho identical, where are their alter egos from this timeline?
And then I realized they traveled in time too.
That means from here, the timesplit turned into a timeloop that creates timesplits. Because these Starlight, Twilight and Spike from this new timeline that is identical to the original but isn't, also created a Chrysalis timeline, a Nightmare Moon timeline, a Discord timeline (etc) and a timeline that is identical to theirs but isn't. And in this timeline too their alter egos traveled in time and created these timelines...
So from here there's an infinity of timelines created, of each outcome we saw in the series. But there still is only one original timeline missing the time travelers... And then I was dizzy thinking about it.

But more recently I thought of a solution to abort this chaos.
I think likely that great minds and sorcerers as Starlight, Twilight, Starswirl and Sunburst would come to talk about such a big thing and spot the problem, and organize an expedition through the timelines to do so the time travelers go back to their own timeline after the final travel. Their travel would then apply in a timeloop where the otherwise abandoned timeline was actually never abandoned, and....
Nevermind, I thought it more while writing and I see it actually doesn't solve the infinite loop of splits.
But hey, it's a good start!
OR ELSE
The expedition could do so the last travel actually leads to the original timeline, to create a loop where the travelers were actually always here at the rainboom in the original timeline, and the new timeline that is identical but is a separate one is not created, so there is no other timeline where Starlight, Twilight and Spike traveled in time.
There, time travel mess solved! I really hope you see this very too long comment, Sawtooth.

Thanks for reading, and sorry about mistakes, English is not my native language and we talk about seriously complex things here...


i personally think it was automatic . If you have seen the series then you'll know That every strong spell a pony in power casts It only lasts for 1000 years/moons so she escaped automatically . and celestia knew that her spell would not last forever so she prepared before hand to reform her . and she also knew discord would be unleashed (automatically ) soon so she had a fifty-fifty chance neither nightmare moon and discord fight together and nightmare moon wins or discord wins either way celestia lost . but i think what celestia as going for was she reforms Luna they win against discord and the end . but her dice were against her .


What would happen if Nightmare Moon was good in this timeline making Princess Luna stronger?


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I like how Sawtooth waves turn a animated glitch to a lengthy video of logical explanations...


Ok Sawtooth the ‘makeshift six’ is pretty popular and i love it but which pony fits which element? Going by what they actually represent rather than singularly their personalities

Also live the fillies, colts and enby folks, makes me feel appreciated


Assuming the book was made a while before the mane six happened, nightmare mare moon would have been destined to be released, deliberate or not. The prophecy would mean that nightmare moon would've returned in every timeline, since the prophecy was already a thing before the mane six even knew about it. Unless the prophecy was only made in timelines that were destined to have the mane six🤔


I have a theory in our dimension so when Nightmare moon  is trying to stop the mane 6 from reaching the old castle, she putts lots of obstacles in their way. These obstacles bring out their elements of harmony, so maybe there was some part of Luna that was still there to influence Nightmare moon's obstacles


I have always believed that Discord broke free from stone precisely because the Elements becoming attuned to new bearers weakened the prison that the old bearers had created. Given that assumption, then, it's plain to see that the Discord timeline must have happened because Celestia found a different set of ponies to use the Elements and reform Luna (after she broke free on schedule), but those ponies were later unable to deal with Discord.

I am prone to suspect that in the Nightmare Moon timeline she defeated the new Element bearers and then found a way to get rid of Discord permanently before he could break free and become a threat to her, and in other timelines Celestia just did a repeat performance of a thousand years ago and so Discord's prison remained strong. However, it is of course difficult to say with how little information we have.


Tbh, of all the alternate timelines, Nightmare Moons seemed the best to live in


I believe that Luna moved the stars to Aiden her escape, on your last video I commented that a book called the two sisters that I own in real life states that star swirl was teaching her how to move the stars, celestia I believe can move the moon why not the stars? So either Luna moved the stars, or…. Her sister did!


This theory is different from what I’m about to say from this video. So nightmare moon happened after discord turn into stone so when discord rule Equestria nightmare moon was not possible to happen. But when nightmare moon time line she rule over Equestria she defeats Celestia by using the elements of harmony against Celestia that’s why she is in the moon instead of Luna, nightmare moon must remember the elements of harmony and use it against her. Now you all will say “but she can’t use it because it will do the same with the mean 6” well no because that happens when the tree of harmony feels the opposite of what the mane 6 then it knows that they are clones and trying to steal the elements but in this time line the tree was dead well not “dead dead” it was just dead it couldn’t know who is evil or not because it doesn’t have the mane 6 harmony. Then nightmare moon rules Equestria. In the discord time line he must hid the elements of harmony that is why that didn’t defeat discord in that time.

I know this was long to read but this is just my theory I’m not saying that “oh this happened and this is true” no this is my theory


i think the "forces of good" unleashed her so she can first fight the villain in power in that time line then reform her then things will go back as it was .  but in one timeline step 1 was acomplished and in all the other the plan failed completely


Discord could absolutely remove corruption magic… that dude can do whatever tf he wants


Sawtooth  my man you made a huge mistake, let me explain, so in the episode when twilight goes back in time she sees discords defeat but if you look princess luna and princess celestia are there and if discord had fought back and won that would have been the discord timeline


Oh, I also have a theory. Remember how in the season 4 premiere, Twilight had to drink the potion to understand what was happening with the Everfree Forest? The way the potion worked was that each sip sent her further back in time. In the first sip, she witnessed Luna turning into Nightmare Moon, and then in the second sip, she was sent back further where she saw Princess Celestia and Luna battling Discord. If the Discord timeline was a reference to that battle and he just ended up winning it, I think that would mean Luna just never got the chance to turn into Nightmare Moon since she and Celestia lost to Discord. In the original timeline, they beat discord first, and then she turned into Nightmare Moon but in this one, she just never gets the chance because they lost first. That's if my understanding of the potion Twilight drunk is correct. Thank you for your time.

Everything before the rainboom had to be the same as the timeline was created by starlight interfering with the rainboom


I still consider the Chessmaster Celestia headcanon to be the most likely underlying explanation; her gambit extended thru many timelines. You don't stay in power for that long for being dumb, she must've accumulated massive amounts of knowledge about how people behave, how they react to things etc, and her massive surveillance magic monitoring her little ponies "since the very first day" as she admitted and demonstrated to Twilight in the season 3 finale, assisted both in the learning as well as planning. There have been way too many coincidences; and for someone with expected more than a millennium worth of wisdom, she has demonstrated way too much apparent carelessness and hands-off'ness in situations the odds would've appeared to be against her goals and yet in the end (even if the path to the end went thru multiple time-lines), things still ended up relatively well just about always; there's not many other ways to justify all of that other than she secretly being confident the dominoes she had arranged and set in motion were gonna topple as designed. She might not be strictly omnipotent, but she certainly must be way above the power level of plenty of those that have higher raw power but not her wisdom, knowledge, and intelligence; at least considering the big picture and medium-to-long term time-spans.


I actually preferred the Nightmare Moon timeline over the Discord timeline. I mean the possibility of what can happen in these alternate worlds is endless!


Would the CMC have even broken discord out if it wasn’t for the 6 just a thought


This theory is really fitting but I don't think any type of negative magic can defeat discord like chaos, corruption, anger, or any other (for he was naturally a negative source of power), though positive magic like the elements of harmony, the princesses or maybe even the crystal heart and more can cut him out.


Tia and Luna banished discord before Luna was banished. I remember it saying that in the show. Besides in the episode of discord playing jokes on the princesses Luna was diffrent overall.


With the makeshift mane six I think that it would have been twilight sparkles old friends from canterlot. As they would have been closer together and already good friends, so I think they would have been a much better choice. Sawtooth pls tell me what you think


“Fillies, colts, and enby folks” legitimately made me happy cry


So a ton of G5 news has just been thrown at us, and one of those pieces of news gave us a huge bombshell. There's a playset that includes a baby dragon which means dragons still exist by the time of G5, I'd be curious to see you explore where the dragons could currently be residing, how the loss of magic affected them, and whether or not that means other species could also still exist.


Whenever I see the notification that sawtooth posted a new video it just makes me heart jump


I have a theory , it's all the same timeline , there are only 2 timelines , a good and a bad , starlight just takes Twilight to different times of the same timeline and so each villian takes over the other on repeat


I always thought the discord timeline was when Discord first attacked Equestria, which was before Luna turned into nightmare moon.😀


Everything adds up, except for 1 little thing. How?? How could Discord escape?? Was Celestia wrong?! Let me explain. In the first episode of season 2 Celestia said that the spell (that hold Discord in stone) was only broken because Luna and Celestia lost connection with the elements. So I think that the theory with another "mane 6" is a lot more logical.

Also how could nightmare moon defeat discord I mean she's powerful but not discord powerful


As other commenters have pointed out, in the original timeline, Discord's release occurs due to the elements finding new bearers, thus weakening any seals instated by the original ones. This means that in the Discord timeline, Celestia did find new bearers, just without Twilight - however, unlike the mane 6, they were not up to the challenge of Discord.

I still strongly favour the inevitable Nightmare theory. Anything else requires far more assumptions and speculation, and you already made a video about how Nightmare Moon can be overcome in one timeline - why not in all where she does not rule?

As other commenters have pointed out, in the original timeline, Discord's release occurs due to the elements finding new bearers, thus weakening any seals instated by the original ones. This means that in the Discord timeline, Celestia _did_ find new bearers, just without Twilight - however, unlike the mane 6, they were not up to the challenge of Discord.

I still strongly favour the inevitable Nightmare theory. Anything else requires _far_ more assumptions and speculation, and you already made a video about how Nightmare Moon can be overcome in one timeline - why not in all where she does not rule?


7:26 I think there is only one timeline with alternative mane 6. I think that because in

 "The Return of Harmony Part 1" Celestia tells why Discord was released.
"I thought the spell we cast would keep him contained forever, but since Luna and I are no longer connected to the Elements, the spell has been broken."
"You six showed the full potential of the Elements by harnessing the magic of your friendship to beat a mighty foe. Although Luna and I once wielded the Elements, it is you who now control their power, and it is you who must defeat Discord!"
So without the use elements of harmony  by ponies other than Celestia and Luna, Discord would still be a stone. Therefore, in other lines, it is not discord that rules in Equestria, but other villains. I think there is alternative mane 6 in Discord timeline but unlike the original mane 6, they failed to resist the corruption from discord.


These theory videos always give me shivers, but did you have to go there with Chrysalis?  And you skittles call her mean.  <del>steals airhorn and runs off</del>

These theory videos always give me shivers, but did you have to go there with Chrysalis?  And you skittles call her mean.  -steals airhorn and runs off-


Sawtooth will you ever do a magical power level where you compare magics ?


THE INCLUSIVE INTRO IS SO NICE! I LOVE IT!