To me, Sunset Shimmer is kind of like Ultron where there would have been a big chance that if things went differently a bit, things would have turned for the worst. Like how Ultron in What if was able to obtain the synthetic body and infinity stone that he wanted, Sunset Shimmer being able to use the full extent of the Element of Magic is the same thing. The way I see it, if she either gets it at the beginning (If Fluttershy never found the tiara) or at the end of the fall formal and if Twilight would be unable to connect with these versions of friends to stop Sunset Shimmer, she would return to Equestria to warn them of this threat. Meanwhile, Sunset Shimmer would use the students of CHS and whoever else and transform them into her own minions to help her conquest of Equestria. Caught by surprise, everypony would face the might of Sunset Shimmer, with the most powerful artifact at her disposal, attack with her army of transformed minions (I think they, along with Sunset Shimmer, would turn to ponies to resemble this world.) Sure, most of them are just normal humans against experienced ponies but since Sunset Shimmer utilizes an artifact with a lot of magic stored inside, who knows the full capabilities that it possesses and what it could do for this army in terms of power. Overwhelmed, Sunset Shimmer would ultimately defeat the Main 6 and the princesses and maybe turn them into her minions as well, along with all of Equestria. Of course, lustful for power, it would be a matter of time before she would find the rest of the elements of harmony and even the tree of harmony and use their magic for her own benefit. Afterward, she would go across the outer borders of Equestria such as the Changeling Kingdom or Seaquestria to get rid of any creature who would stand in her way. Personally, I think they would all fall, especially Discord. Despite his power, Sunset Shimmer would have in store objects that counteract anything he throws, resulting in his defeat or possibly an even worse fate. She wouldn't stop until everyone everywhere would fall down beneath her in praise or defeat. I know that some people say that she would eventually see that Celestia was right about Friendship but don't forget, this is another form that she took similar to what happened to Midnight Sparkle. Inside, Sunset Shimmer could be regretting the choices she is making but can't stop because of the magic flowing through her choice to be like this. And so, Equestria, heck, even the human world would fall beneath her grasp as the ruler of both worlds, with or without anyone to stand in her way.


I personally think the last timeline (the wasteland) was a timeline where Starlight wasn’t defeated. Succeeding in ripping everypony from their special talents, such as farming, cooking or weather control, would eventually result in Equestria becoming a ghost town🙁


What if the one we saw that we don't know about was Daybreaker. I saw your video about how Celestia might have turned into Daybreaker if Luna knew how to dream walk before hand. And as seen in the show Luna,or actually Nightmare Moon escaped the moon. So that means if Daybreaker did happen and got sent to the moon(or sun for all we know) she would have most likely escaped over time. And she wouldn't have been defeated because of Starlight stopping the main six from meeting.


Moral of the day:<br>When there's trouble make 6 closely bonded teens shoot rainbow lasers

Moral of the day:
When there's trouble make 6 closely bonded teens shoot rainbow lasers

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Here’s my theory:<br>After Sunset ran away to the human world(her motive in this timeline unknown), she would go back to the poney world out of curiosity. She then comes across The Castle of Two Sisters, and since she’s the human element of magic, she would’ve accidentally activated the sixth element to appear, getting her the crown. After she does this, she gets her teenage zombies and overthrows Equestria. After a few HUNDRED years or so, Sunset wonders if she can become even more powerful, so she messes around with some magic! What’s the worst that can happen? Both the human and poney world being destroyed, that’s what. You know how poney magic and human magic are complete opposites? Well, it’s my headcannon that using the two magics together, creates an incredibly unstable power and, with Sunset so powerful from the start, she basically exploded everything...And that’s what we see in Starlight’s last timeline(like if u agree)!

Here’s my theory:
After Sunset ran away to the human world(her motive in this timeline unknown), she would go back to the poney world out of curiosity. She then comes across The Castle of Two Sisters, and since she’s the human element of magic, she would’ve accidentally activated the sixth element to appear, getting her the crown. After she does this, she gets her teenage zombies and overthrows Equestria. After a few HUNDRED years or so, Sunset wonders if she can become even more powerful, so she messes around with some magic! What’s the worst that can happen? Both the human and poney world being destroyed, that’s what. You know how poney magic and human magic are complete opposites? Well, it’s my headcannon that using the two magics together, creates an incredibly unstable power and, with Sunset so powerful from the start, she basically exploded everything...And that’s what we see in Starlight’s last timeline(like if u agree)!


And who was the last timeline? The theory was born in my head that this was the future of Starlight Glimer when she managed to steal the cutie marks from everyone.


Personally i belive that the Desert Timeline is a timeline where the perasprites came in swarms, and drove everyone to starvation


My thoughts: What if Sunset used a different magical artifact to turn herself into a demon and take over everything


Two things. First, you are dealing with time travel and as you know, there are loops to connect loops that could make it possible she came across a portal into a different Equestria than the one she left (the many mirror issues from comics). But I think you are right. It is hard to get there.

But on a side note: if she succeeded in human world, she would have taken over Luna and Celestia as well. Assuming those two would be alicorns in the pony world (usual 1:1 correlation), and without now full Mane 6, a super-powered Sunset & two zombie alozonrs...would make for a great storyline.


What if, in a moment of desperation, Celestia decided to turn to her former magical prodigy? With a promise of power if Sunset would stand by Celestia's side and aid her in the war, the princess headed to the human world and approached Sunset? Sunnygal over there would agree of course, planning some devious plan for afterwards. But Sunset's approach was too malicious, to violent, leading to the destruction of the world around her. She scorched equestria, leaving neither good nor evil to remain, and that's the world we saw. A world of nothing where only Sunset remains, ruling like she always wanted.

We could take this to fanfic territory, like if Twilight and Spike had to help the ponies in each timeline before they could go back, and in the last timeline, after so long without anyone else, Sunset detects Starlight and Twilight, and goes to them full of regret for wishing for power. Seeing how her desperate grasps at power would turn out through Sunset, Starlight slowly starts to finally regret her choices and be content. I wanna read that.


My thought is this: Wendigos
At the end of the ninth season the Wendigos returned bringing ancient magic with them. Since without the mane six there was no harmony, im thinking the Wendigos end up coming into every timeline eventually. The last one is an example of such, but this time since no one there was capable of stopping them every creature in equestrian perished. And with no creatures to spread discontent, the Wendigos faded away and eventually so did day and night, leaving the barren wasteland that remained, no life anywhere, no magic remaining.
That's my opinion


I think the last timeline Starlight created that she got to see with Twilight is a nod to the fan-made Fallout Equestria novel and other media. I mean that scenary looks like it could fit perfectly with the Fallout Equestria universe.


I always thought that last timeline was a timeline where Starlight had taken over. Look at how barren and hopeless her town was once she took everyone’s special talents away. If she had been able to spread her beliefs throughout Equestria, creating a false harmony, I believe Equestria would’ve ended up like the barren waste land like we saw.

you have a point about the parasprites that also could be a factor

@Kirk Lundberg I'm thinking a bunch of bad guys trying to screw each other over

@Kirk Lundberg Could have also been a combination of things

The parasprites!!! They were the adorable and cute insect things who eat everything.

Stygian/Pony of shadows is disqualified because he and the pillars were freed from limbo by the mane six.

Stygian/Pony of Shadows and cosy glow are disqualified, because they came in later seasons.

@Luna Guy still could have happened if you think about it

@Spider Pool But Daybreaker isn't real, she was Starlight's nightmare fearingwhat wolud've happen if Celestia☀ and Luna🌙 kept fighting.

@Spider Pool I thought so to but coise glow would need the School of friendship to learn that “friendship is power” and with out the mane six that would have not happen

Yea I thought the same. I mean if you think about it if Starlight had succeeded no pony would have talents to maintain the earth, and without pegasus controlling the weather I could see it spiraling out of control into the weather we see in the last timeline, and the earth becoming as barren and dry as in Starlight's village. Also I kind of like the irony of the timeline that Starlight was so shocked by being a timeline that she would've caused. I feel like the cutie map in that timeline might have some more answers too, but I'm not sure what yet

edit: So I was looking more at the final timeline map and it actually did seem pretty similar to the normal map, although it did look like cloudsdale was missing which would make sense if Starlight succeeded in that timeline and pegasus didn't control the weather anymore

I thought it was the pony of shadows because of the dark sky around.

Because everything that happened with tricxe would have happened just a little different. Like how cealestia set twilight straight in lesson zero she could have done the same thing with trixce and snips and snails would have eventually come up with the idea of seeing trixce battle a earsa major and trixce could of ran away and still could of gotten the alicorn amulet but if twilight was not there to trick trixce to take off the amulet what if when the amulet controls trixce completely it would have made her fill out sobras plan since was his magic . So trixce would start with ponivle since she was there already and eventually take over all of equestria and would take everypony to one land abandoning there lands

@Limakatso Ramokoena could have also been cosie glow

I’d always assumed it was all the villains taking over at the same time but I like ur thought to


I think the last timeline was the ending of the timeline twilight, starlight and spike left behind, or the original timeline. Without twilight the rest of the Mane 6 would fall down and another villain can attack.


I believe the theory of DayBreaker being the cause of the last timeline. It would make tons of sense. First, everythings burnt. Second, if Celestia didnt take Twilight and Cadence as student and niece, she wouldnt have filled the hole in her heart for when Nightmare Moon got banished. Nightmare Moon wouldve returned and thanks to the elements, Celestia couldve freed Luna. But Luna wouldve found the way to walk in dreams so she wouldnt become Nightmare Moon again cus she felt so bad cus of it. And that wouldve caused Celestia to get jealous, basically the theory you made about DayBreaker. Celestia is pretty powerful already and we saw how powerful DayBreaker was as well. But maybe we didnt saw her full potential aka her power could definitely destroy the entirety of Equestria. Just my opinion x333


<b>the empty dimension is probably because of Daybreaker. She said she didn't need anypony, so she just destroyed Equestria i guess-</b>

*the empty dimension is probably because of Daybreaker. She said she didn't need anypony, so she just destroyed Equestria i guess-*


My "headcanon" is that the final timeline, the destroyed one, is a reference to the book of "The Time Machine", from Herbert George Wells, where, after traveling thousands of years into the future, the steampunk book proposes a really dark and negative posibility for our future(the human's future!), where, literally THERE'S, NOTHING, LEFT.

It just seemed... Odd, that Starlight's single event of denying a rainboom could cause something so devasting and radical as that one!!

Or, at any case, if we gonna adapt that possibilty to the pony world, into a theory...
What if Equestrias dominated by Grogar himself, and he decided, after being about to be defeated by OTHER pony hero/heroine/warevehr, that he decided that, if he couldn't rule, nobody could, and extinguish all Equestria with him?!!!

(Too crazy?? Yes.
I consider it possible? Maaaaaaybe.
I do care if you guys like it? Nah.)


I don’t know if she has a canon name, but I feel like Sunset Shimmer’s evil/demon form would be called Shimmering Eclipse

I love the name "Shimmering Eclipse!" It fits Sunset's goal and the evil naming of every other dark pony WAY better than <b>"Demon Sunset"</b>

I love the name "Shimmering Eclipse!" It fits Sunset's goal and the evil naming of every other dark pony WAY better than *"Demon Sunset"*

I always called it Sundown Shimmer because all the evil versions at least have the same last name

@ღ • Pimika Meaw • ღ  Sunset Satan. I love that.      🥲👌

@Baked Bean LMFAO-- her demon name is Solar Shimmer though.

@loquacious Oh yeah! I looked it up. All these sound cool tho

Her demon name is actually Solar Shimmer

My proposed Big Macintosh becoming a god

@ღ • Pimika Meaw • ღ "Sunset Satan" Sounds truly amazing that too

She doesn't have a canon name, in EQG fans call her Sunset Satan or She-Demon Sunset or Sunset Demon, anyway Shimmering Eclipse sounds so cool !!!


Better example a timeline where Human flutter shy didn’t pick up the crown and turn it in to celestia I think that would have given sunset a greater chance


honestly the first thing i noticed was how when the last timeline came up, it was messed with a lot. you can tell she destroyed a lot of things. and in the equestria girls movie, she took the power and destroyed anything she can do. she didn’t care of how it would end up if she still had the magic in her. also i noticed from that last one, it wasn’t night or day. it was more like a sunset. when princess luna turned into nightmare moon she only kept the moon up and never wanted to bring it down. from some cases on day breaker she would’ve wanted the sun up forever as nightmare wanted to keep the moon. so what if sunset shimmer only kept sunset? she could’ve destroyed celestia and luna and led to a path to that? i know u made a big point from the twilight part and the last element. thing is, if she came to the pony world still with the crown of twilight sparkle, she could’ve defeated her as well. she would’ve defeated celestia and luna if the timeline was hers. so of course, there would be no twilight sparkle present. which she would still have the crown into her own hooves. if i make no sense i’m so sorry. i’m barely learning about the theory’s. i never payed attention to them when mlp was a huge hit


I think that the wasteland timeline happened as a result of literally all of the villains from  Equestria basically coming back at literally the same time and the result was that they had a more dangerous "My horse is bigger than your horse" fight and the end result was that they doomed Equestria because Castra (AKA Discord's NOT girlfriend) thought it would be funny to cause a huge explosion.


I don't know if others already said that. But I thought this empty timeline where there only was wind and every shown plants dead, etc. Is the Starlight timeline. I think Twilight took Starloght with her, to her own succeed. Here's why:
In the village, we saw that no one was able to cook/bake good food. Or making dresses. If all if equestria would be equal, no one could take care of plants, weather, etc. The plants would die. Starlight is good at magic, that doesn't give her the power to handle all the other needed things. So the plants would die, maybe the pony would starve. Nobody controls the weather, the sky seemed only gray, we didn't know if it was day or night. All was gray and boring. Like starlights equality made the ponys less bright.

So, yeah. I think the last timeline we saw, was the Starlight timeline.


My therory on the last timeline is that it's Starlight's timeline. Without special talents, ponies couldn't farm or control the weather.

True or result of tree of harmony dying.

I think its every villain. They went wild and destroyed equestria

@Kirk Lundberg maybe. I just like the idea that it's Starlight's timeline because it's the one she sees. She might have thought, "Oh crab. Is-is this what will happen to Equestria if I succeed?"

@Snowflow The Nine Tailed Fox lol.idk it just makes sense to me


Reason why: Starlight didn't yet know who she is and didn't know that twi and sun is rivals before and when they met, she thought she is her friend and not former rival

Edit: It's been 11 months ago after i commented this, and also, if every villain succeeded then she wouldn't get to steal the crown. And they probably tried to make the Eg films non canon thats why it doesn't have any sunset timeline.


The Downfall timeline where everything is Dark and Gloomy is easy to solve if you look at every instance of the friendship map across the various timelines. In the Sombraverse, the crystal empire covers half of equestria. In the Chrysalis Timeline, it's taken over by Plunder Vines from the Everfree Forest and in the Flim Flam Timeline, the Everfree Forest was completely gone.

If you closely look at everything in this Gloomy Timeline you can see a lot of wind and Dark Clouds overhead, and looking at the map you can spot a castle surrounded by greenage showing it's not completely dead. Who or what has the ability to manipulate the weather? The Storm King.


I think the final timeline is either Grogar somehow returning or simply how Equestria ended up. Even without a specific villain, Equestria may just fall out of harmony without someone (or a few someones) to take care of it and make sure the relationships of ponies and other creatures thrive. Another possibility is the dragons. The episode where Dragon Lord Torch stepped down showed Ember succeeding only because Spike was there by her side. But without Twilight to hatch and raise him the way she did, this never would have occurred. So Garble would probably have become the next Dragon Lord. He said "We'll take whatever we want from the ponies and burn the rest" which looks pretty spot on considering the condition of the timeline. Garble's personality wouldn't have changed much even without the sonic rainboom. Am I missing anything..?


I may be slightly late but here is my conclusion:

I believe Sunset could've never gotten her own timeline no matter what, for two reasons, and two reasons only:

1: Yes, I do agree with you on this one, Sawtooth and that was my first reason.

2: Sunset could've never had a timeline even if she had defeated Twilight and her friends, because from what I've heard, seen and what I believe, Starlight came in before Sunset was introduced, meaning there was no possible way for her to get into the timeline, Am I correct? And even if she did come before, I doubt that she would've gotten into the timelines, because I believe that the last one was probably way WAY after Equestria was there, and they traveled too far in time, Plus, there was only seven and there is 9 villains that started off in the PONY world when they became evil.

But, if the last one was her, that could explain the fire themed look with sunset, did you notice how burnt the empty, last timeline looked? It looked like someone had burnt everything, and everyone had to move. Then everything left was disintegrated or taken for maybe her own kingdom of some sort, so she ruled all of the ponies that were left there, or were still there.

If Starlight had not created or even FOUND these timelines, Equestria would not be what it is today. The Ponies would've never met, including Sunset, Starlight and the other mane 6, Any of the villains could've taken over all, the princesses places, it would be dark, the ponies would probably be empty, dead or even possessed / Taken over by the villains, so that's why it would be bad if this never happened. I hope you understand this if you see it!

Thank you!
(P.S) This took like, 10- 15 minutes to write, including thinking on what to say, to make it make sense.


Maybe sunsets envy of twilight was just as strong as twilights friendship with the others. After all, sunset was Celestia's first student and was practically the twilight back then. But still, shouldn't sunset be much older and already the queen before twilight came around. Sunset should've already been the queen or at least not be in a highschool. Although, she could've tried to take the crown after twilight had it, because Celestia never gave Sunset the chance to be queen although she is just as smart as twilight. And if we take real life into hand  then I would say that Sunset should have been more powerful. After all, years past and only when twilight came around Celestia gave her the crown and a chance to be a princess and later queen. She never gave Sunset the chance. That would a logical reason to have envy, a lot of it, towards twilight and her friends. Of course that not always the case but it still makes sense. Your theory still is pretty on topic though. Nice job.


I like to think the last doomed timeline where everything is barren is the result from it’s about time, as I feel like this twilight might have missed a lesson or something, causing her to not know about the time spell, and due to all the things she would have fixed not being fixed, a cascade of events could happen to destroy everything, which in the real time loop was likely the cause for the start of said time loop only she knew about the spell on the main timeline.


I think that the only way this could happen is if Twilight didn't catch Sunset when she was stealing the crown


I can actually imagine that the last timeline has something to do with Sunset. Even though it may not have been her plan, but that of another villain. Maybe one of those Equestria wasn't enough. Maybe one of them ever wanted the human world, too. It is not impossible that they could find out about her. Sunset might have seen this as her chance to escape and steal the villains' magic to use it herself. If she had succeeded, there might have been a battle, Sunset, with the stolen magic, against a huge army or a single enemy, depending on who it was. The fight might have escalated, and with the magic, which Sunset might not have been able to control, the universe of this timeline might have been destroyed.


The scenario in my head would be, Sunset could have gained the element by sneaking into the castle, taking a train to Ponyvile, and stealing the element of magic. Then she went back to the human world and won the whatever queen ((i haven't watched the movie in a while)) and put on the crown, and then became the demon. And then she hypnotized the high school kids and the principal's so they went threw the portal, but of course the principals first. The guards would have let them pass and then Sunset would come threw. The 'queens' would have made the guards stop to not attack her. They then captured Celesita and Luna, and trapped them in the other world. They hid the mirror away in a secret room only Sunset knew about. And then the fakes made Sunset the new ruler of Equestria, of course people had their doubts based on her looks but then she hypnotized the ponies. She ordered Ponyvile to be taken down so the mane 6 couldn't save Equestria, of course she told them to bring the elements to her and she soon had full control over the elements, the tree, and everything that included whatever the elements connect to and more. This is how i think the abyss of the land was made. It was by that land being untouched by everypony.


I think the "blank" timeline is Daybreaker's timeline. Celestia would already be the most powerful alicorn - so her future could be deadly. She was known to have a firey color pallette so wouldn't that suggest she was fluent in blasting things and explosions/fire, and the trees in the timeline are brown and black, the colors trees turn into when burnt (unless they fall beforehand). The clouds also look smoky, perhaps Equestria was only recently destroyed (maybe an hour or two ago). Regardless if it's true or not, I find it more likely than Sunset - that's for sure.


But what if she succeeded by over throwing the mane six


It may have been Sunset Shimmer's future we saw.

We know how Twilight got the element of magic, but it was never releveled on how Celestia got the element of magic. Twilight's was that of friendship, but Celestia's could have been for her sister (sisterhood). If that is the case then that could explain why the elements did not work for Celestia after she banished her sister to the moon for a thousand years. At the same time, that gives us two different sparks of magic.

We see Celestia and Luna battle Discord. So lets give each the element that is on their side. For Celestia that will be magic, generosity, and kindness. Luna appears to control laughter, loyalty, and honesty. The colors are not as bright as we see with the main six, but you can easily see what each element is.

We know that Sunset was taught in a similar manner like Twilight was taught when she was a pupil under Celestia. We also know that Celestia did not answer all of Twilight's questions directly as we see in the first episode. Instead of answering her questions and concerns directly, she gives her an assignment to make friends. Toward the end of the second episode we see Twilight's spark is that of friendship to unlock the element of magic.

Let's say Starlight Glimmer succeeds in stopping the rainboom and the six never meet and does not become friends. However, Sunset Shimmer goes through with her plan, even after the previous villains had been stopped in some manner. We can give the benefit that she already knew about the elements. So, when she is able to return Equestria, she has a plan on obtaining the element of magic along with the other five elements.

No one said that harmony could not be a negative harmony. We get to see them used for good, but that does not mean that if someone figured out how to get the other five elements, and generate their own spark of magic, that does not mean that they could be used for evil. Yes, Starswirl the bearded and the others planted the tree to help protect their kingdom. If something can be used for good, then it can be used for evil. One just need to know how.

Sunset already had Snips and Snails on her side. Although twisted as their schemes where, they did represent the other five elements. Keep in mind, they were not zombies, they took on their own evil forms after Sunset got the element of magic. They were kind, loyal, honest, and generous to Sunset. They also found delight (laughter) from others being hurt.  As long as they embodied the other elements, she only needed her own spark to unlock the element of magic. Let's say her spark was ambition. Who is to say the element of magic would not have responded to such a strong magical force? If this was the case, she not only gets the elements on her own, but now she has the power to take over Equestria.

Without the qualities of a good ruler, her kingdom dies, literally. If not her whole kingdom, the isolated corners of the kingdom at least falls to the way side and become waist lands. Nothing can survive in those areas. Perhaps, because these are the areas that could have sheltered rebels against her and she destroyed the area herself leaving nothing behind.


My first guess was that all her "zoombies" would get turned into ponies after entering portal and thus were later easy defeted by ponies that actualy know hot to use hooves and magic... :3

@Hannah Ringer They would be moving like zombies there.
It looks like their performance is hindered pretty badly due to that they are like that.
I mean, look at them.

@Jaguaiser's World Actually the portal was still in the Crystal Empire during the movie.<br>And pretty sure they can tell the difference with the mind-controlled ponies moving like zombies and having blank glowing green eyes.

@Jaguaiser's World Actually the portal was still in the Crystal Empire during the movie.
And pretty sure they can tell the difference with the mind-controlled ponies moving like zombies and having blank glowing green eyes.

Or..they'd go through the portal and the equestrian ponies couldn't tell the difference between them. And are we forgetting the portal takes you to Thwilight's pony castle so they could ambush her unseen

Very good point if she managed to obtain a weaker element

@Hannah Ringer Actually them being "zombies" would most likely hinder them there.
Given how they look slow and such.
And most likely being under mindcontrol in this case hinders their performance compared to how Sombra mind controls creatures into fighting for him.

@eviljbrian And there's also the fact the mirror portal will most likely close quickly and she will be cut off from reinforcements and lots of issues.<br>And if she tried to force it back open, most likely it will tear dimensions up and such.

@eviljbrian And there's also the fact the mirror portal will most likely close quickly and she will be cut off from reinforcements and lots of issues.
And if she tried to force it back open, most likely it will tear dimensions up and such.

Agreed. Don't forget: in Mirror Magic when Sunset went back to Equestria, Twilight had to subtlety remind Sunset that she was a unicorn and had magic.

This or that way, it wouldn't have happened.


I had a theory about that 'darkest timeline', which ties in with another theory I had that there was an overall secret un-revealed villain banished to another dimension, operating from behind the scenes, manipulating everyone & collecting dark power from evil deeds so they could escape from their prison, at full strength (though this itself might have been a little too dark for G-4 MLP)...  Now, what if that 'darkest timeline' is the aftermath of this long-forgotten unknown enemy actually succeeding in returning to Equestria..?


Sunset would never have gotten Twilight's element of harmony in the first place if the rainboom never happened.


Well one way Sunset could continue her plan without the element  of magic is using the alicorn amulet. Sunset is most likely a lot stronger in magic than Trixie so her having it would make her incredibly powerful. The problem  being of course how would she find it, but then again how did she know in the first equestria girl movie that Twilight had the element of magic.


I have an idea for what caused the untold timeline, hear me out:<br>We see more of a desert land, theirs no ponys and in the other timelines we see ponys almost right away, and in the other timelines there was still greenery(mostly) but maybe something happened with sunset and the crown that caused her to lose control and burn up the surface of the world, it would make sense because of the desert landscape and no ponys around, it would make sense because she now looks firer and stuff in her new pony form,thank you for reading, have a great day

I have an idea for what caused the untold timeline, hear me out:
We see more of a desert land, theirs no ponys and in the other timelines we see ponys almost right away, and in the other timelines there was still greenery(mostly) but maybe something happened with sunset and the crown that caused her to lose control and burn up the surface of the world, it would make sense because of the desert landscape and no ponys around, it would make sense because she now looks firer and stuff in her new pony form,thank you for reading, have a great day


Yeah this is a show about colorful horses but when Sawtooth said “Maybe we did see the Sunset timeline” it clicked in my head and I got chills..

Am reading Fallout: Equestria and the book came out before season three, but there are startling references to later seasons...<br>Almost as if it were Canon...

Am reading Fallout: Equestria and the book came out before season three, but there are startling references to later seasons...
Almost as if it were Canon...

I watched to the end, and judged that the parasprites did the last ending.


I feel like the last ending is the timeline where Starlight had taken everyone's cutie mark, even sunbursts, and she used all of its magic to destroy Equestria but killing herself too while doing so.
What are your thoughts?
Theory 2
Maybe...its the timeline where Trixie destroyed all of Equestri with the help of The Alicorn Amulet
She over used her power to it's limits and it just destroys everything on Equestria
Whats do you (the reader) think?


It looks more like a land of darkness and death as well as destruction, and  considering that there is actually only one villain (though more of a speculation) it could actually be Grogar's return. Although now that I think about it, most likely has to do with Dragons.


Well I believe discord could have easily beat sunset shimmer and she probably can't fight back because you need all 7 elements of harmony


I just read an amazing fanmade comic where after she brainwashes all of Canterlot High, Demon Sunset transforms them all into her personal demon army with a small fraction of her dark magic.<br>That would’ve made it much more plausible for Demon Sunset to theoretically conquer Equestria, on top of wielding the Elements for herself.

I just read an amazing fanmade comic where after she brainwashes all of Canterlot High, Demon Sunset transforms them all into her personal demon army with a small fraction of her dark magic.
That would’ve made it much more plausible for Demon Sunset to theoretically conquer Equestria, on top of wielding the Elements for herself.


I feel like the last timeline were all the villains. Let me explain, the first villain of the show was Nightmare moon and the second was Discord I believe. So Discord must have fought Nightmare moon for Equestria. Apply this to all the villains and it would be this series of wars. As expected these wars might have destroyed the land of Equestria and creating the barren waste land. An Sunset Shimmer wouldn't have turned evil because there would be no elements because Twilight wouldn't have been there to activate it. This is my theory


I think the wasteland timeline was supposed to show the combination of all the villains getting their way. So much evil spirits, magic, and disharmony would lead to a waste land where even Equestria's most powerful villains wouldn't survive.


Forgetting the whole Starlight timelines thing, what do you think would have happened if Sunset had won some other way?


I know that some theories say the mystery timeline was Cozy Glow. But I think that can't be. The school of friendship wasn't built yet, where Cozy got her plan. Also, this was about seasons later. I don't know how far forward the makers thought. So, I think we should look at the 5 given seasons. So Nightmare Moon, Discord, Crysalis, Sombra, The everfree Forest, Tirek and Starlight. <br>We saw all, except the everfree forest and Starlight. But from these two opition, I think Starlight makes more sense and is also deeper that Starlight stopped her plan and reformed, because she saw what her success would cause.

I know that some theories say the mystery timeline was Cozy Glow. But I think that can't be. The school of friendship wasn't built yet, where Cozy got her plan. Also, this was about seasons later. I don't know how far forward the makers thought. So, I think we should look at the 5 given seasons. So Nightmare Moon, Discord, Crysalis, Sombra, The everfree Forest, Tirek and Starlight.
We saw all, except the everfree forest and Starlight. But from these two opition, I think Starlight makes more sense and is also deeper that Starlight stopped her plan and reformed, because she saw what her success would cause.


I think your explanation is pretty good. Also I have an even BIGGER question...what would have happened if starlight herself succeeded!?


Ok hear me out, all these timelines acc exist because in the episode where the ponies cutie marks get switched around ( idk the name ) all the ponies r used to theyre mismatched cutie marks , that’s all they’ve known and maybe twilights spell didn’t switch the cutie marks , maybe she switched realities , mayb she was sent there by the spell to fix it idk mayb star swirl knew that that’s what this spell does but that wouldn’t match up with other episodes, where the ponies remember getting their rights cutie marks but mayb jus mayb that day sue said the spell , she switched realities and not the cutie marks of her friends


I love your videos so much, and I never find anything wrong with them. But I did find something to argue against this with..

If Starlight had stopped the, Sonic Rainboom. Then the main six wouldn't have found their special talents at that time (or at all). And the main six would not come together. Thus, no Princess Twilight Sparkle. Thus no crown to be stolen. This would lead Sunset Shimmer to not be able to become overwhelmed by the magic from Twilight's crown. Since Twilight would have never found out that she was the sixth element, she would have never gotten the crown in the first place. So Sunset had no use of coming back for the crown... Because the crown didn't exist


Would figure it could have been Midnight Sparkle as Sunset would still be around, so there's some link to the portal and some way for her to continue studying into those energies. Add that in with the sirens and she might just get a lead that could bring her to a noticable level of magic(and if we want to go to something crazy, maybe the manipulation of time didn't affect the alternate world's time and messing with reality as much as she did had an effect on the potential future, hence the complete wasteland)


Sawtooth is a cycle of forgetting he existed to binge watching all his videos. Jokes aside, I have a new theory.  I think starswirl DID create discord.  Remember in season 4, all the magic from the everfree forest was holding the seeds from taking over.  We now know that starswirl had the magic to stop it, and used it because he created the tree of harmony.  In season 9, we know that that was what was keeping it from growing wild.  What if he used that for Discord? What if he WAS a mistake, but all that magic held back into this time?

@ThePaintedPixel 15 Yea he said something like that but idk which episode

Didn't discord say he's been around for eons? I can't remember, but I could have sworn he said that.

@NoobMaster69 yes, but he was the element of sorcery, like   the elements, magic is the most important element, so it would be the same.  Also, that would explain why discord got released faster.  From a timeline perspective, discord only came a bit after the pillars were banished.  If only starswirl casted discord away, it would be weaker.

@Moonlight Chocolate Also Starswirl himself didn’t create the tree of Harmony, He and the PILLARS did by planting a seed with there magic in it

@sunnysidedown The everfree forest was holding back the seeds from growing? Did you even watch the episode? The tree of Harmonys magic was strong enough to stop the seeds from growing lmao not the everfree forest XD

You're digging out more questions than answers.

@sunnysidedown wow maybe you should make a channel on mlp theories

@pqacorn good point, but we don't know when starswirl created discord, it can be right before or when he was dealing with the pony of shadows.  In the case, he would have to rush, so that the pony of shadows would never take over.  He could of misread it, just casting it away, because he didnt think it would be important.

Maybe. Good idea but wouldn’t starswirl have made a point to destroy discord?


All I could say is perhaps look very closely at the crystal map upon the 7th wasteland Apocalyptic timeline. The map gives us hints on locational changes through out each time loop! Maybe that might be a key!


So here what I'm thinking.. if Celestia can turn into Daybreaker (aka her bad side) she could've burned Equestria into ashes like we saw.  Nothing was left alive and everything looked like it had be destroyed by a powerful being the main 6 have never seen before.  It could very well be possible that the main 6 never came to be and Celestia finally put up with Nightmare Moon returning while she battled her sister once again.  Used dark magic on Nightmare Moon turning her to Daybreaker and they fought until Nightmare Moon went down and then she took over Equestria burning everything she saw and imprisoning Ponies to do her bidding.  After her rein died Equestria did as well... but that's just a theory I put together.


So let's say that up until the movies everything was the same, but the only reason sunset lost was because twilight reunited the human six, so if sunset somehow managed to stop that from happening she could've gotten the element of magic and destroyed the pony world

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I think the last timeline isn’t a timeline at all, just another part of equestria. Like starlights spell decided too troll her something.


Why is it that hearing this theory makes me wonder what would if Human Twilight won in friendship games?


My theory for the last alternate universe shown, where everything is dull and empty, is the reality if STARLIGHT would have won, and got everyones cutie marks and made them all equal. Think about it, starlight glimmer was the only other villian at the time to not have had a alternate reality if they would have succeeded. Therefore, that last one was most likey the outcome of Starlight Glimmer collecting all the cutie marks and making everyone equal, where everything becomes dull, everyone has the same talents, and due to the lack of proper food(since in the episode where we first meet starlight, even pinkie pie couldnt stand the muffins) and probably everyone had died, or a less gruesome outcome, all moved to the one town, which is far from where they are when they see that reality.

Theory over. 😁


I thought that last timeline with absolutely nothing was from parasprites. No food, not damage, all plant life gone. Due to no plants, no animals, ponys, or any creature. Maybe it just got to the point where only people who know how to deal with them where able to live in caves and bunkers. But without anywhere else, you can't lead them somewhere to leave you alone without attracting alot of them.


I don't think there would have been a magic school for Sunset to attebd to and end up being power hungry in any of the timelines. The nightmare moon one, Tia is in the moon. Sombra, busy with war. Changeling war, hardly any survivors.<br>I think that last timeline shown is with no one other than Daybreaker.

I don't think there would have been a magic school for Sunset to attebd to and end up being power hungry in any of the timelines. The nightmare moon one, Tia is in the moon. Sombra, busy with war. Changeling war, hardly any survivors.
I think that last timeline shown is with no one other than Daybreaker.


Well if the mane 6 never met, then twilight would never been a princess, and her crown wouldn't exist, therefore, she wouldn't be able to have the power to make her army. She would still be the bully she was before twilight came.

But wasnt Sunset originally a pony? Under Princess Celestia? I dont exactly remembered what happened to make Sunset leave, but wouldmt Sunset still be with Celestia, and if any timelines went wrong, thats how it effected Sunset?

But there’s those gems thingys that still exist in the human world

@Charro45 Doubt Celestia can do anything with the Elements due to losing her connection to them and them being stuck as stone balls.

@♚ — crescents ! sorry i didn't watched the whole video when i wrote that comment lol

Maybe, in an alternate timeline, Celestia herself tried to help Sunset with the elements, but Sunset stole the element of magic and, well, everything was screwed up

actually without the mane six, the elements would be stuck at those stone balls anyway


What if the last timeline we see... is actually Daybreaker timeline? Because in Starlight's nightmare Daybreaker said, that they didn't need anyone. Or... anything?


I think the desolate time line is the one where tirek won. Tirek would have stripped all magic from equestria, including that of the alicorns. leaving earthponies no way to grow crops, pegasi no way to control weather, and unicorns no way to control day or night. the world of equestria..it would have been devoid of all life.


I feel like the alternate timeline where it is a barren wasteland is a clash of all the conflicts coming together. Trek, Nightmare Moon, Chrysalis, The Flim Flam Brothers, and even more threat and villains and resulted in the eventual barren wasteland which led to few survivors. Or it's possible a new entirely different villain rose because of the elements being gone and caused this timeline.


I had a theory myself... And its a doozy...

What if the final timeline was... Cozy Glow's timeline? I say that because she tried to take out magic entirely. And she would've succeeded. Without the CMC or The Student 6, the magic would've been erased entirely. So It wouldn't be long until the world started to crumble. Since ponies are so reliant on magical ability. Its safe to say... the world would've fallen.

Now the question is, how? Since the School of Friendship never wouldve opened.


If Sunset wasn't Defeated...
She would take over the EG, take over equestria, find new worlds and take over them....

Edit: Damn I wrote this comment even before I saw the video XD

@spartanLink11 Or Half-Life's franchise main antagonists. The Combine.

I doubt Sunset would be able to take over the EG world. While she was a unicorn in Equestria, in the Human World, she has no magic, nor magical abilities. She's just a regular girl, however she IS at least somewhat intelligent AND manipulative as she was able to break apart the friendships of the rest of the girls. The only magic she possessed was in the book that Celestia gave her, and that was only to write messages back and forth. (Edit) Don't forget, when she DID go back to Equestria in the Mirror Magic short, she had to get used to walking on all four again, AND had to be reminded she was a unicorn and had magic.

Even then, the portal between the worlds is only open for a short period of time. It only became open full-time because Twilight was able to harness and amplify the magic of the book on her side of the portal in order to keep it open.

Interesting point: The title actually has nothing to do with the video, so we need a different breaking point to think about this.


I think I know who's timeline the last one is. It's starlight's! We saw the multiverses, but we didn't see what happened in OUR timeline. Starlight would have caused all the villains to succeed but they would have had to fight each other. Think about it, tirek would have came to a world most likely run by another villain, causing a fight. Where would that lead? Absolute destruction.


I think what might've happened was that maybe all the villains  teamed up, destroying Equestria. while yes SOME villains were brought together in season 9, the Mane 6 were there to defeat them. Anyways, after destroying and taking over Equestria, they might have turned on each other, destroying anything else that might have resembled Equestria. Them turning on each other possibly resulted on them destroying the ponies, and each other. Also, before they might've destroyed each other, the villains probably took over the rest of the world, the dragon lands being the hardest to take over. After all of the destroying each other, we get the 7th timeline.


Could the final timeline be the Daybreaker/Dark Star timeline?


I think the reason that Sunset's victory wasn't shown was because Hasbro didn't want to bring Canterlot High into the main series plot :/ <br>Sometimes the simplest solution is the most correct one

I think the reason that Sunset's victory wasn't shown was because Hasbro didn't want to bring Canterlot High into the main series plot :/
Sometimes the simplest solution is the most correct one


Can you do a “ What was the 7th reality that starlight made?” Theory. I am curious!


I'm inclined to believe the barren timeline was the result of starlight herself. Since we didn't see anything maybe it was because the map showed what would have happened if starlight took over. When we saw her village the food was horrible and they had shabby clothes. If her influence stretched all over equestria everyone would have not been able to do what they were meant to do with their cutie marks and equestria would have fallen. However starlight would need to defeat the princesses. Since her magic is as strong as twilight's she could have easily found a spell to defeat or trap the Royal sisters. Then she would rule supreme until her plan fails due to the lack of order where special talents are needed to keep the whole of equestria in harmony.


Now we have proof that someone who was impacted by the rainboom released Nightmare Moon. In most of the timelines it appeared to be day, proving that Nightmare Moon is still not released from the moon. But now the only question is who? I think it may just be the Tree of Harmony which can read the future. The tree sprouted a chest that would be opened long afterward when Terik came. Maybe the tree also knew the way things would turn out if Nightmare Moon came out of the moon.


Interesting. I could see how her plan was dependent on the rainboom.


There is the possibility that maybe Celestia could've found other bearers, but they wouldn't succeed as well as Twilight and the others because most situations they were in needed those specific ponies, no one else could do it. Celestia could've found ponies that worked well enough to become bearers, but not enough to solve everything. That could end up leading to Sunset getting the crown. But I don't really feel like that could fit with the wasteland timeline, more like one that they didn't get to because they fixed the problem. Another video I've found speculating on how each timeline came to be makes me really feel like that one happened because all of the major villains and Equestria fought in an all out war and the world lost. That just makes the most sense to me out of every explanation I've found.


I wanted to see a timeline where Starlight Glimmer succeded. When she stopped the bullys by convincing them AND Fluttershy that they could all be equal, they could've showed us what would've happened if everypony had the same cutie mark.


Look at what garble says in "the gauntlet of fire" when the other dragons were talking about their future when they became dragon lord. Garble says "when i am in charge, the first thing I will do is get my revenge on those puny ponies. They'll regret they ever came across Garble. We will take whatever we want from Equestria, and burn the rest." Then look at the final starlight timeline. Garble might have won and he unleashed his plan to send Equestria into dust.

PS: please please please please please please please please please put this idea into one of your videos.


Sunset: what happens when an element of harmony enters another world?

Twilight: ????

Sunset: you don't know?! Seriously?!

Me: well to be fair, it seems to me like the writers don't even know! They never explain it properly!

I think the thing happening is; <br>Without the element of magic, when you put another element, if you are evil, you became a she demon but less powerful. If you just find the elements İn a random place without any purpose and put just for fun, nothing happens. And if you are a laugher person and you put the element of laugher, you pony up. Thats my theory.

I think the thing happening is;
Without the element of magic, when you put another element, if you are evil, you became a she demon but less powerful. If you just find the elements İn a random place without any purpose and put just for fun, nothing happens. And if you are a laugher person and you put the element of laugher, you pony up. Thats my theory.

I always took it as a "Once the magic is brought into the world, it's like sand; never coming out completely again." It also seems to be sewing the two worlds together more in Pony Twi's absence, with the crystals inside the Everfree Forest, the memory stone thing, ponying up without Pony Twi, and the Hair Six suddenly getting those powers. How Sunset would know that is beyond me though.


I might agree with you except for one thing, without the mane six, there are no elements of harmony, and with no elements there is no element of magic, which means no crown, which means sunset would've had nothing to steal to make her a demon.


What if that timeline is if none of the villains were stoped there for when they went into combat they ended up destroying everything..


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This is a cool theory, but it would of never happened if the main 6 didnt meet because sunset shimmer used the element of magic to turn into a demon, and  without the main 6 meeting in season 1, the elements would still be stone


'When the 5 elements are there a spark will bring the 6th element" The spirits of the elements of harmony works toghetter with the chrystals but we saw in the same episode that you could create a spark between them it's just the sprits were there and need to be toghetter. If the sonic rainboom did'nt happen the spirits wouldnt be toghetter so it would only be the chrystals sunset shimmers could get the 5 make a spark like Twilight did and boom you got a 6th element of harmony. I think that timeline IS indeed Sunset Shimmers timeline. Maybe she even tried it before in the normal timeline but it did'nt work since the spirits of harmony were toghetter.


I think I have a theory for the barren wasteland timeline.

Look at what happened to rainbow in that timeline. She was zapped by starlight. She could have been injured on that hoof (no pun intended). This might've caused him to become hostile and paranoid after being hurt. She would've gone insane and switched sides during the war with King Sombra. With her help, Sombra recruited other villains to cause the world to become a 'dry hell'.


I have a question? What if Sunset didn’t go rough and went through the portal? Which would most likely mean that the events of the equestria girls series would never happen, but what about the other events? How would Twilight and starlight, as well as the other five, had been effected by Sunset staying? Would Discord have been released?


I think the 7th  future was Cozy Glow. Think about it she wanted to use friendship for power. So she held the ones who wouldn’t be her friends (aka nearly every creature) is they were held captive until they would live with Cozy in Twilights castle. And with no pony around to care for the land or anything for that matter their world becomes a dry wasteland where Cozy relocated in case any rebels attempted to overthrow her.


I think the last time line is where the villas waged an all out war and destroyed everything because of it as a last attempt Celestia traps them in different ways sacrificing herself in the process due to the war the land was unusable and all creatures died


The main reason Sunset wanted the elements was because she was jealous. She had no motive so it'd make sense that she wouldn't do anything, she'd probably still be Celestia's pupil


There could’ve been no way for sunset shimmer to take over equestria, the elements of harmony were kept in the castle of the two sisters when Luna became nightmare moon, if twilight and her friends didn’t come together, the elements would still be kept in the castle or destroyed by nightmare moon.


Your right Sawtooth

She wasn’t shown because twilights crown gave her the powers
So if twilight never have met the others then she wouldn’t be the princess of magic or go to the human world
Cause she would be a regular pony in canterlot so there would be no crown to steal


What if the wasteland timeline was Grogar's(if he was somehow freed) timeline, however, I can't imagine Groger's kingdom(or empire) looking like a wasteland. I am doubtful that the wasteland could've been caused by Cozyglow's(if she erased all the magic from Equestria) plan. But that's just what I think.


as believable as this is, I would like to add one small detail

so are you telling me that no students who ever went to that school ever, had accidentally fell onto the portal in the human world?? Like there has to be some sort of chance the students were fooling around, maybe playing tag or something and they didn't bump into the portal at all? or maybe just lean on it just the slightest bit?


I always thought that unidentified timeline were all of Equestria is destroyed was Garble’s doing. After all, he DID want to destroy Equestria if he became Dragon Ruler, which thanks to Spike, never happened. But since Spike was never born and the Mane Six never became friends, Garble got what he wanted. On the other hand, he wanted to do this out of revenge on the ponies after Twilight, Rainbow, and Rarity humiliated him. Who knows?


I never knew that Sunset have so powerful Magic. I thought it was okay to not defeat her until I watched this video.


1st theory- Do you remember in the last few episodes (ofc you do, they were great) what if grogar was actually real and still alive.

2nd theory- all the villains teamed up when nightmare moon returned  and attacked Equestria at the same time. destroying  the elements but since they were all too greedy and couldn't share Equestria they fought until there was nothing left but a waste land

3rd theory- When nightmare moon was defeated they accidentally killed her and because of that Celestia became so caught up with grief she became daybreak never turning the sun off and literally burning Equestria to a crisp and since Twilight would have been new to the elements + scared to use it after seeing what it had done to Luna + Twilight would never harm her teacher she wouldn't be able to use it


I believe that villains teamed up like King Sombra, Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Queen Chrysalis did, but with more, if not all villains.


Okay but I just realized, what if not every timeline where the main six don't meet is necessarily terrible? What if there's a timeline that, on the surface, seems better? A timeline where sunset went to magic school with twilight's old Canterlot friends and those six became the elements of harmony? What if this left the original mane six scattered across this timeline as villains and antagonists? What if this left the new main six with the constant inexplicable feeling that something isn't right, like they were forgetting something important or that they weren't where they needed to be? This is way more fanfic territory than theory, but I just think it's a cool idea.


ACTUALLY , IT IS IMPOSSIBL. SINCE SUNSET STOLE THE ELEMENT OF MAGIC, IN THE TIMELINES THERE WILL BE NO ELEMENTS SO WHY WOULD SHE RUTURN TO EQUESTRIA


If there was some possibility of demon Sunset crossing over, what would she look like? Now, with that in mind- note Chrysalis.  There is no human version of her that we've seen, implying that the human version could be in Equestria.  What if Chrysalis was similar to Sunset, and she came across some equestrian magic allowing her to go into Equestria in an alicorn-similar form?  Please please please look into this theory and make a video about it, because Chrysalis could be solved any day.


I think the bare wasteland is from the one where there was a dragon sleeping. Season 1 Episode 7. It would make sense since if smoke had covered Equestria it would have covered the sun causing all the plants to die. Since if the Mane 6 weren't there then the dragon might have covered equestria in smoke.


The wasteland could have been if Grogar was somehow freed.<br>Also remember you did a video on how Starlight should fix the alternate time lines? Well, what if she makes another time line by accident, she would go in that time line and then accidentally help sunset shimmer get the element of magic.

The wasteland could have been if Grogar was somehow freed.
Also remember you did a video on how Starlight should fix the alternate time lines? Well, what if she makes another time line by accident, she would go in that time line and then accidentally help sunset shimmer get the element of magic.


I think the final timeline is a reference to Fallout: Equestria, and it's all just wasteland, I think it might be, given that the MLP has multiple references to fan art based on the series.


I believe that the baren world is because of the bug thingys. You know, the ones that eat everything? It would make sense for them to eat everything, leaving only the half-trees and rocks that we see in the timeline.


This could’ve happened if Celestia herself brought the mane six together


What gets me about that episode is if Starlight kept going back making it so the 6 weren't connected by the rainboom wouldn't that mean Twilight would never be a princess so how was she still a princess if Starlight had changed the past. Something doesn't really add up. Was Twilight protected from the time change because she was going back in time as well??


Before I watch the video:

"We'd be doomed."

After watching the video:

"Demon Sunset would be doomed...?"

*Before I watch the video:*

"We'd be doomed."

*After watching the video:*

"Demon Sunset would be doomed...?"


I know this video was 9 months ago but I'm pretty sure that the last possibility (the one when Twilight showed Starlight the future she made) was the result of windigows. Not having Twilight to spread friendship, the windigows would come back :/ but that's just a theory, a game theor-


Ok so I thought of this one earlier, if Sunset Shimmer was a pony before wouldn’t there mean there was already a human Sunset? Kinda like how Twilight was already a human that didn’t go to Canterlot High if we applied this logic to Sunset Shimmer’s arrival in the human world, then it is absolutely possible that there was already a human Sunset that no one knew about, I think it would be awesome if they eventually introduced this logic


Here's my theory of how sunset shimmer will be able to succeed.

As sunset raged and left to the human world, she knew what the elements could do. So she snuck into the human world and stole the elements (How? Of course she knows that where the mirror and guards are; she at least once should've seen it)and she got them from the castle since there was no mane 6 to stop her) she got the elements used it and became into demon sunset. Fast forward; she made zombie teens sent them; got in herself and destroyed the world as her motive was.. to be powerful and rule over equestria


I have an idea of what the last timeline could,  what if Celestia became Daybreaker and went on a rampage, she could have turned into her with the grief of not being able to save Luna from Nightmare Moon


I think the final timeline was actually (human) Solar Shimmer's timeline. She would have successfully made it through the portal and terrorized the entirety of Equestria into fleeing. She'd destroy everything in her path until it became a desolate wasteland. With her gained power, she'd defeat the Mane 6, the other princesses, and conquer Equestria. How, may you ask, could this happen? Short answer: Starlight Glimmer and the 8th timeline. Yes, Sunset/Solar Shimmer's timeline. Starlight would create one final timeline, and create a warp in time and space... (oh no here comes another link) just like Midnight Sparkle. If Midnight, Solar, and Starlight were all linked through timelines, we can see where this comes together. Solar Shimmer would still be thriving off Equestria's magic until she discovered the warp. That is where they all become linked.


sunset is one of best unicorns of equestria. i think she founded spell to broke shield of elements and take it


The Wasteland Timeline is when I was successful in my plans. After thousands of eons of moving my pieces into position, my endgame came to fruition and the Final Oblivion Crisis was complete! The Wasteland is the first stage of transforming the Mortal Realm into a Daedric Paradise, where all Mortalkind will be slaves to the Daedra! Though, not for work, but for sport. See, we Daedra don't take liking to putting Mortals through hard working labor. We enjoy their suffering and torment, and they're pain and agony!


It is possible the desolation timeline is the result of every timeline a major villian took over happening in sequence, as a result of the fighting between the powerhouse villians Equestria was effectively reduced to ash.


No main six= No elements of harmony= No sunset shimmer stealing twilights 👑


What if sunset went through the portal.... Let's say the human 5 followed her through at that time they were still angry with each other because of sunsets lies. Sunset and the mane five find the prophecy of the elements and sunset wants to use them to gain more power. Just like the original timeline NMM tries to stop them but they still show their individual talents and on this journey their friendship is restored and Sunset gets reformed.... They defeat NMM and are the ones who represent the elements of harmony...... Now they all need to stay in Equestria to protect it but the human 5 cannot stay.............. <br>Feel free to continue the story or say your ideas in the replies 😀

What if sunset went through the portal.... Let's say the human 5 followed her through at that time they were still angry with each other because of sunsets lies. Sunset and the mane five find the prophecy of the elements and sunset wants to use them to gain more power. Just like the original timeline NMM tries to stop them but they still show their individual talents and on this journey their friendship is restored and Sunset gets reformed.... They defeat NMM and are the ones who represent the elements of harmony...... Now they all need to stay in Equestria to protect it but the human 5 cannot stay..............
Feel free to continue the story or say your ideas in the replies 😀


sunset wouldnt have been able to use the magic in the element of magic because the main reason starlight went back in time was so twilight and the others never met so there wouldn't have been any element of magic but if twilight never got her cutie mark maybe sunset might have still been able to be celestias student because in season 1 they were talking to the cutie mark crusaders about how they got there cutie marks and twilight only became celestias pupil when she got her cutie mark


You also forgot about Storm King. He could have gotten another plan of getting the rule of the Equestria.


I can imagine Sunset being like Queen Scarlet from Wings of Fire. Having ponies fight each other for entertainment. Queen Sunset Shimmer.


Unless the elements would have called a different mane 6. you forget the element is self aware, it does plan. It may simply be that it called Derpy and her friends instead. Then they stopped discord etc and everything but Princess Derpy couldn't get the Crown back and thus... Sunset timeline.


i think that the 'wasteland' timeline would have been caused because all the villains  attacked each other to conquer equestria. but it caused nothing but destruction of all of the them


I think the last timeline could be where day breaker would have happened Which would explain why it’s all empty and destroyed. Fire is pretty powerful


What if sunset got bored of the magic in equestria, and then destroyed the rest of equestria and travelled back to her own world, well the human world. She then destroyed the portal so nobody could travel back. Nobody remained as they where either turned into her personal zombies and travelled to the human world with her or... well died without the resources they needed to survive.


You should make a theory on what caused the last timeline


What if the mystery timeline Starlight created was the result of the dragons?<br>Remember how princess Ember became the Dragon Lord? It was possible because of Spike’s help. If Spike wasn’t there to help her some other dragon would have become Dragon Lord. I think it’s most likely that the brother of the dragon studying in Twilight’s school (I don’t exactly remember his name, maybe it is Garble) would have bin the Dragon Lord. He was fighting Spike and Ember for the staff. And if they weren’t there, he would have got it and became Dragon Lord. He wanted to destroy the ponies. So that’s what he would do. As Dragon Lord he would have commanded all the Dragons to destroy Equestria. All of them used their fire breath and burned everything to the ground. And as a result, Equestria became a waste land. That is what I think happened in the last timeline Starlight created. I hope you all enjoyed my theory.

What if the mystery timeline Starlight created was the result of the dragons?
Remember how princess Ember became the Dragon Lord? It was possible because of Spike’s help. If Spike wasn’t there to help her some other dragon would have become Dragon Lord. I think it’s most likely that the brother of the dragon studying in Twilight’s school (I don’t exactly remember his name, maybe it is Garble) would have bin the Dragon Lord. He was fighting Spike and Ember for the staff. And if they weren’t there, he would have got it and became Dragon Lord. He wanted to destroy the ponies. So that’s what he would do. As Dragon Lord he would have commanded all the Dragons to destroy Equestria. All of them used their fire breath and burned everything to the ground. And as a result, Equestria became a waste land. That is what I think happened in the last timeline Starlight created. I hope you all enjoyed my theory.


I had the same thoughts as u, the desolate waste land would probably have been sunset, but then u brought up that the elements would still be in their rocky boulder form.


I hope everyone is safe and healthy<br>Have a nice day☁✨

I hope everyone is safe and healthy
Have a nice day☁✨


Here is what I think happened, and how the wasteland timeline came to be.
The gauntlet of fire.
It happened in the dragon lands and would have happened with or without the sonic rainboom, except spike wouldn't have hatched without the rainboom and thus could never win the gauntlet. Garbble would have won and would have become the new dragon lord, after that he would lead an attack on equestria and no one would try to stop him. Ponies wouldn't be able to do much against the dragon army and would surrender. The dragons would probably burn everything just for fun and that,s how equestria would become a wasteland. That,s my opinion.


My theory: it was her own future: the Starlight Future. Face it. Starlight is more powerful than Twilight. Maybe even the other Princess'. She would have easily wiped out Nightmare Moon. With her gonna by death, Celestia would never return. A war would wage in which she would kill all who stood up agains her. Seeing this, the creatures of Equestria, now banded together against a common enemy, would turn to Dr. Hooves who would build a atomic bomb. They would force her into a battle and drop the bomb on top of her. But it wouldn't go as plan. Not only would it kill her, but all life on the planet.


This is infuriating.
 I can't believe you completely ignored daybreaker. The last timeline was caused by daybreaker.
sunset is strong in her which form but daybreaker is the of destruction of a sun, an alicorn to begin with.
my biggest disappointment in the fandom is that everybody ignores daybreaker.
Stop it.


I think in that timeline cozy glow took the magic out of equestria and since the land depends on magic it stopped growing plants and crops so it killed everything


I think that the barren wasteland was the result of many villains…..here!s how it goes

Villain after villain would come seeking to control equestria. Soon all of them would find they weren’t the only ones(bear w/ me here I’m not too much on the timeline path)Sombra,Discord,Tirek,Chrysalis etc. They would see there were others

Cue dramatic moment of truth. Cue epic villain battle.

And because of the fight equestria would be gone


2:41    then.. what was that mysterious and freighting timeline? what would have caused that if not sunset? maybe cozy glows actions to getting rid of magic? or maybe if tirek, cozy glow, and chrysalis won? i for one would love to find out.

they woudn't come together without discord altho we saw a discord timeline discord only did it because twilight didn't think she was good enough, In a short way i think, No Rainboom, No Mane 6, No Princess Twilight, No Princess Retirement sooo the Princesses Couldn't Retire


I think that's the last time line is the world where Starlight was able to remove cutie marks. Now we all know that once your camera was removed your colors became a bit more dull. And maybe the dust is actually Pony ash. I'm so sorry


The crown sunset used was twilights crown made out of the element of harmony which was unlocked when twilight and the others came together so without the main six the elements wouldn’t be unlocked so sunset wouldn’t be able to take over in the same way

Made this before finishing the video


What if nightmare moon was still trapped in the moon?

Idea for the next video perhaps


I think that the last timeline was a result of every single villian combined they basically destroyed equestria. And then they just killed each other.


2:26 I think she only made 6. And that the flim flam brothers one was shown twice. Take a look at their timeline. Its a polluted currently being destoryed mess. And maybe flim and flam drained the planet to a point where the "7th" timeline was and they abandoned the place along with any other rich or powerful ponys. And over the years time reclaimed the barrien wasteland


I don’t think the human world was effected by the time travel, so I don’t believe any time travel scenarios in equestria could effect the outcome of Sunset’s plan.


In my theory, the wasteland timeline is depicted in a fanfic book called fallout of equestria.


I agree with you definetly, but mostly because this revenge was caused because she wanted to show celestia she was a great student and could persue the queen title. In an interview with Hasbro, we were asked about sunset shinmers timeline after the everyone had grown up, and it was definetly believed she would have come back because there is 2 of every person in the realm, like one twilight in the pony world and one in the human world.

Yeah, and this make me think where is human sunset and starlight? What happened to them?


Honestly the reason there is no sunset shimmer in the timelines is because EG is never mentioned in the show and Hasbro wanted to keep it that way. It honestly sucks.


Well, it would have been impossible for sunset shimmer to become a she-demon because she became a demon because of twilight's element. If twilight wasn't there to defeat Nightmare Moon then tho elements wouldn't transform and Sunset wouldn't have got the element because she didn't make the spark thus Sunset shimmer would still have been a mean and insensitive bully in the human world

Just saying that I have no hate for Sawtooth's theory


The barren wasteland was the timeline from when Starlight Glimmer succeeded


what if it was daybreaker (celestias ego which is like luna with nightmare moon) if when nightmare moon was in charge it was a lasting night. what if celestia was ever really able to become day breaker it would end to everlasting scorching sun which we see the destruction it causes.


As much as i love your theory on the subject Sawtooth i think the answer would be simple, if Sunset Shimmer was never defeated then she would've never changed her ways and sought out to travel down the path of friendship.

@Sawtooth Waves Probably not, because it's like Twilight said Sunset may have possessed the crown and all it's power but she couldn't wield it because Twilight's element was only meant to be used for good, and the reason why Sunset wasn't affected by all the time traveling that Starlight and Twilight were doing was because Sunset was in the EQG world at the time  there's a major difference between alternate timelines and alternate dimensions.

but would she have been able to take over equestria like she wanted?


Well if the srb never happened then would twilight still become the princess of magic? We see twilight and her friends never became friends or at least didn’t meet twilight so can the princess of friendship become a princess of friendship? No. So there would never be a crown for sunset to take.

Literally just finished writing this and he just said it in the video proving my entire point so now I feel stupid 😑


Moreover,  Starlight's timelines happened before Sunset stole Twilight's crown. As we saw, all timelines had one villain from the past that main six had won. So, Sunset couldn't even stole Twilight's crown  let alone go to Equestria.


But the main 6 created the spark so she may not have had the element of magic


What if sunset would have had her own friend group of 6 and they would have become the owners of the elements of harmony, but after Sunset became the princess of friendship just like Twilight originally became but saw the perfect chance to rule whole Equestria and used the elements of harmony to become more powerful, just like Chrysalis wanted to when she created the mean 6. Even tho she failed, why? Because the elements can sense evilness?


I don't know if anyone else has said this, but I think that other timeline would've been Tirek, Cozy Glow, and Chrysalis' future. I don't have enough proof but that's just what I think.


Without the Mane 6 the element of magic would’ve never appeared meaning that by the Season 8 all the villains would be roaming free, so lets return to that first thing i said, Without the element of magic sunset shimmer would’ve never been able to take it therefore meaning sunset shimmer would never be evil/reformed


How about this. What if Sunset did go back to the Nightmare Moon AU and became her new apprentice.


I know this may sound crazy but I think that the last timeline is the 5th generation.<br>I know that everything ended fine in the 5th generation but what if without magic everything fell into chaos and it up with the last timeline

I know this may sound crazy but I think that the last timeline is the 5th generation.
I know that everything ended fine in the 5th generation but what if without magic everything fell into chaos and it up with the last timeline


Sawtooth: why no sunset timeline
This video: long answer
Short avswer: not enough time in the episodes  i guess

Short answer, no friendship=no princess twilight=no crown


I think that if the main 6 were not there, Sunset would not get the crown. I think that the last timeline could just be starlights future. I really like your video.


Idea for the last timeline
-The “forgotten” world
-Daybreaker World
-All villains world


Starlight stopped the Mane 6 from meeting and Twilight can't get a Crown without meeting her friends which means Sunset Shimmer get nothing to steal. Since she gets nothing to steal, she can't become a Demon like she did because she became a demon by stealing and then wearing the Crown. This explains why there was no timeline of Sunset Shimmer ruling the world.


Maybe the spark isn't necessarily friendship.
Maybe it's just a major realization or desperation or maybe even hope.
But just a spark of it.


Honestly I think the barren wasteland is is Celestia's timeline. Everything is scorched earth and dust. If Celestia's was evil and decided to never let the sun go down everything would burn up and die. There would be nothing left except heat and sand.<br>*edit a word

Honestly I think the barren wasteland is is Celestia's timeline. Everything is scorched earth and dust. If Celestia's was evil and decided to never let the sun go down everything would burn up and die. There would be nothing left except heat and sand.
*edit a word

@Hannah Ringer but sawtooth's change was before the rainboom.

@Hannah Ringer I guess it's cause it isn't described by your cutie.😢

@Kirk Lundberg yeah actually, that is if discards spell broke from the two sisters not being connected to the elements...

@Oc3lot Gaming yay a all out war, with the villains vs discord

Another theory i saw on a video once was a war between sombra and celestia, tirek and chrysalis were recruited, then the war ravaged equestria


My theory is that if Sunset wasn't defeated , Celestia and Luna would still be in control of the elements of harmony and Sunset takes over Equestria


If the main 6 never met, then the element of magic would have been hidden still so that can't be right.


in a no rain boom timeline Sunset would have been the element of magic and  gotten her own friends leaving Twulught to become the runaway student. so we get mean girl Twilight.
so technically Sunset would win,she just wouldn't be the villain in the first place.
as for who her alt 5 would be I have no idea asifr from Bigmac standing in for AJ


Your theory is completely right about why sunset wouldn't have taken over the world of equestria


1:18 And she might also be able to mind control the Royal Guards


The thing is though, if the mane 6 never come together then Sunset would never have been able to get the element of magic in the first place.


Maybe that timeline would be when Cozy Glow succeded!


The barren timeline might have been the real grogar


So if Sunset wasn't defeted with the element of magic in the normal timeline, the mane 6 would basically do the same thing in equestria


I think that if twilight didn't get onto magic school then she wouldn't have become a process and the whole show as we know it would be different. If she wasn't a princess she wouldn't have been in the summit and wouldn't have her crown so sunset couldn't have taken it.


Did you forget she was using Twighlight's element? Without the element she wouldnt have done that so thats why


That wasteland was caused if starlight won and all ponies gave up cutie marks.


Maybe in that barren scene, the world is really fine, it just happens someone opened a desert theme park there. Totally kidding. I actually think that resulted from a free-for-all all villains fighting each other mega battle blitz-type deal


Let's just say sunset got the other elements <b>if she just found out about evil magic when she got them.. could a evil element of magic appear?</b>

Let's just say sunset got the other elements *if she just found out about evil magic when she got them.. could a evil element of magic appear?*


I mean sunset is a unicorn and we saw Celestia banish nightmare moon using the elements, including the element of magic, and sunset was Celestias puple before twi, so what if sunset discovered how to become an alicorn after more time and is as strong as Celestia, but if not. What if you don't have to be strong to use them if you already know where the element of magic is, and with the crown making sunset even stronger it could totally be possible it was catastrophic leaving sunset alone, the pony of shadows reached out to both stig and luna when they were lonely and or neglected, but she was already Demon sunset soooo where did the pony of shadows come from, the element of magic maybe? I would like someone to make a video on this or reply pls


This is my theory where sunset could have succeed when sunset was stealing the crown she wouldnt have put any alarms to wake up twilight which means sunsets plans go well and until its too late sunset has already tooken over even if it wasnt too late how would they defeat her?


What if changing time really doesn’t apply as this would mean getting a whole dimension involved. Adding on, this only happened AFTER RainbowDash’s sonic rain boom, so demon SunsetShimmer’s plan working timeline couldn’t have been seen as this only happened after the rain boom, the timeline of demon SunsetShimmer taking over Equestria could have happened if the sonic rain boom happened, but the realisation of Twilight’s missing magical crown didn’t

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I’m still worried about that unknown timeline

I just rewatched the episode and I’m trying to find easter eggs or hidden things in there


You have a point but what if she puts the elements on harmony on the main 6 and hipnotis them to esquetria


That wasteland could have been if all of the villains attacked at the same time...then because of it a rain boom couldve happened which destroyed the land. (Ok rainboom is a bit far fetched but that's a theory)


I’m so used to Sunset being good and part of the Mane 7 it’s weird hearing about her as a villain


i love Sawtooth's tone when he said his usual alicorn's XD


That barren wasteland looks like the cause of Thanos-


Theory: Maybe the empty future was trixie's future with the alicorn amulet but that would make no sense cuz if it was it would defiantly show trixie in it


Best theorys THAT WORK. (Plus explanations) storm king, parasprites and starlight glimmer
 Cozy glow, sunset demon, and midnight sparkle, don't work because they rely on the mane six.

Edit: fallout could work as well


Maybe it wasnt just one/ a new villan ? It could have been the end of a war ? without the main 6 theres no stopping other villans from escaping and yes we did see a timeline like this but it might not have been a new timeline it might have been the end of one ? <br>(hope this makes sense i havent watched this ep in a while 😅)

Maybe it wasnt just one/ a new villan ? It could have been the end of a war ? without the main 6 theres no stopping other villans from escaping and yes we did see a timeline like this but it might not have been a new timeline it might have been the end of one ?
(hope this makes sense i havent watched this ep in a while 😅)


I think the last time line was the pony of shadows... I just have his speach saying that he'll absorb the light from the relm... that alternate had the sky and ground black, the only light was that faded orange-brown in the backgroung.


Your right about the elements of harmony still being in their original form but doesn’t princess celestia’s crown have just as much power as twighlight’s? What’s stopping her from taking that one other than like hundreds of guards


Frankly without the main 6 I don’t think Sunset being an issue would be possible, the element of magic had to be at the right place and the right time for sunset to get to it and that’s why sunset had it and could be demon sunset, without Twilight there with it she couldn’t have gotten her hands or hooves on it and become demon sunset, but your point about the equestrian military really shows how stupid and prone to failing Sunset’s plan was, and depending on who else had ruled the place before sunset(which Villain took over the world before the equestria girls stuff) the equestrian military wouldn’t even be her biggest issue if she had somehow gotten her hooves on the element of magic or another element, we have no idea how a Villain would have reacted to Sunset’s invasion and what countermeasures would be in place to deal with any threats, for instance somehow I can’t imagine Sunset standing a chance against Discord. And now that I think of it Sunset might not have even had the chance to get to the mirror depending on how long it took for the Villains to really affect equestria


first of all, if twilight would'nt have met her friends, learned about friendship, she would'nt possibly have gained the element anyway....she also would not become a princess, have a cornation in crystal empire and had'nt gone there.....so..Sunset would not come to take her crown and wear it and.....whatever<br>I think it just did not happen

first of all, if twilight would'nt have met her friends, learned about friendship, she would'nt possibly have gained the element anyway....she also would not become a princess, have a cornation in crystal empire and had'nt gone there.....so..Sunset would not come to take her crown and wear it and.....whatever
I think it just did not happen


I think the reason we didn’t see a Sunset Shimmer timeline was because the crown would never have been in the crystal empire if Twilight wasn’t a princess and Sunset would not have known about the crown so she wouldn’t have come to steal it. I think the last timeline might be one where all of the villains came and tried to fight for a Equestria, destroying it in the process.


I really wanna know what happened between Sawtooth and Yoshidarklord for him to always be so disappointed when he says their username XD


You mention that for sunset to have powers from the elements twilight would had to have found them and be giving the spark, but what about the elements that are already in the human world? In legend of camp everfree where the 6 get the elements back from gloriosa? Mabye sunset finds them and knows what they are


Well there ae a ton of other villains which could've caused that timeline if it weren't sunset shimmer. The Storm King? Or perhaps Cozy Glow...she was so close to sucking up all the magic from Equestria, and considering how evil she is, she could've caused the whole entire of Equestria to be unprotected and become a wasteland had she soaked up all the magic. Without the mane 6 to stop her, she could be a raging tyrant.


can we just appreciate demon sunset shimmers design omgg


I agree with the whole sunset wouldn't have been able to succeed due to twilight not finding out about theagic of friendship


Keep in mind that starlight didn’t meet sunset until after the sunset demon event


Well yeah, a whole school of teenagers wouldn’t stand to the army in the pony world. Because when you think about it, they are just teenagers right? And also aren’t there going to be more of that pony army? Or would the number be same for both the high school teenagers and the guards. That’s the hint I’m thinking about because basically you wouldn’t really need to think about it but it’s going to be the guards that are stronger cuz the teens are not trained because you know they are teens😑


If the rainboom never happened, then the Elements fo Harmony would remain hidden in the Everfree Forest and Sunster HSimmer would have never gotten the crown or known that they were real.


I think the barren wasteland timeline did have something to do with the humans. I think a human may or may not have accidentally found it and as humans do with first encounters, decided to get rid of the native inhabitants. My guess is nuclear warfare, which is why we didn't see the mirror anywhere. We've already been shown magical explosions. Like when they defeated Chrysalis in season whatwasit3? Or when Rainbow wrecked the barn at Apple's request. Or several things with structures in the clouds. It wouldn't be far fetched to say that the US military did that to Equestria.


I think the barren wasteland timeline was Starlight's.
Here's why: Past Starlight was still around, along with Future Starlight. Past Starlight would lose her friend when he got his cutie mark, and go on to found her village. Without the Mane Six interfering, there wouldn't be anypony to stop her, and eventually, maybe even through all the villains (and her innate ability to magically alter destiny), her cult would grow. Maybe Future Starlight would even help her younger version. And not in the good way.
Eventually, her cult would grow so big that the ponies of Equestria would become unable to grow food, due to all of the farm ponies giving up their cutie marks, and the land would become barren and hostile.
Also, look at how Starlight and Twilight's colors desaturate when they get to that timeline. It's the same thing that happened to the ponies in Starlight's village before they regained their cutie marks.
Plus, it's just too ironic.

To be honest i think its the parasprites

Ooooo that’s like really really good!!!!

@mistymoonbow but the parasites would eat all the food and everything would die of starvation, and no one would be around to tend to things.

@Kirk Lundberg Interesting suggestion, but remember, the parasprites typically only eat food. They only ate everything else because they were magically enchanted by Twilight, which we know didn’t happen in any of the timelines because she did not move to Ponyville. Pinkie Pie likely wouldn’t have lead them out of town with her music in this timeline either. At worst, the parasprites would have caused a famine - nowhere near the destruction we saw in the doomsday timeline.

I think the doomsday scenario was caused by the parasprites, they eat everything and they multiply plus pinky doesn't have laughter or anything to fight them. Sorry but the way you described it, it sounded like it happened gradually, in time for her to stop.

@nicola audyová Thanks. I've been saying it since that episode came out, and noone ever listened, so your comment makes me really happy.

I don't think she would be able to stop any of the bad guys though, even with her magic.<br>Especially with how apparently only heroes than can fire rainbows at baddies are allowed to beat anyone.(TWABA being an exception but I don't think it will work here).

I don't think she would be able to stop any of the bad guys though, even with her magic.
Especially with how apparently only heroes than can fire rainbows at baddies are allowed to beat anyone.(TWABA being an exception but I don't think it will work here).

Yes, your theory is posiblle and i like it.


<b>The reason why there was no Sunset Shimmer "what would've happen if the villain wasn't defeated" is because Sunset Shimmer transformed in the human world. But, the "what would've happen if the villain wasn't defeated"  thing happened in the pony world.</b>

*The reason why there was no Sunset Shimmer "what would've happen if the villain wasn't defeated" is because Sunset Shimmer transformed in the human world. But, the "what would've happen if the villain wasn't defeated"  thing happened in the pony world.*


What if the ashlands universe goes even further into another alternate timeline entirely? No Mane Six, Luna dreamwalks before she becomes envious of her sister; Celestia wants the emotional connections her sister has... she returns a millennium later... she succeeds in her quest to bring eternal day... the whole world suffers. Like, some sort of premature global warming effect..?


What if sunset shimmer was the main character, i do like twilight, but their was something about sunset shimmer personality i liked better. Of course equestria girls is what made sunset so interesting though in first placed, being a redeemed villian who had to struggle to make up for what she did. Kind wish the equestria girls had its own tv series rather than movie events. But will take what we can get.


I think if she won and crossed over to Equestria, it would be a death sentence or at least certain defeat, an army of righteous children against an army of Kingdom soldiers, she would lead those children to death, just like Erwin. Without Levi, without a plan and a chance to win, she would be the only problem, but in the end, she was not powerful enough to challenge the forces of Equestria.


hasboro like: OMG reavealing all my secrects for MLP


Timelines to need to know why we didn't see
1: midnight Sparkle
2: Jupiter Montage
3: Gloryorsa daisy
4: The dazzlings
5: the pony of shadows


or maybe it was a timeline when daybreaker happened! daybreaker's rain could have been that bad that it could have make a timeline so dark, empty, broken, mysterious, and sad to the point it was freighting!


the last timeline is probably starlight glimmers because if the main 6 weren't there to defeat her when she took over the village, she could probably take everyone's cutie marks and then Celestia and Luna would not have the power to  raise the sun and moon because that's their cutie mark  so it would just be a barren wasteland.


I think that the last one was Cozy Glow succeeding in Removing all of the magic from equesteria


I felt that sunset could have asked how Celestia got the elements when she banished nightmare moon to the moon. That way she could have found a different way to get the elements since celestia didn't have friends with her when she banished nightmare moon. Once she found out how to get the elements without friends, she could bring the elements and take over or destroy equastria. ALL HAIL QUEEN SUNSET, THE DESTROYER OF EQUESTRIA!!

Ohhhhhhhhhhh it's a possibility that could have been


My theory is that the last timeline was  where all villians were toghether, since they wanted different things, they made a war that ended up equestria; idk just a theory xD


Does anybody remember the Galaxy thingy that Luna cursed herself with? (I forget what it’s called-)

Seriously, why has nobody thought that maybe that timeline is if they didn’t defeat it?


i love how you think so much just for us tto know what happiness and i like to thank you for that also i subscribed


Possibly. But Maybe another different group of ponies obtained the elements. They may not have been powerful enough to stop her. Thats my theory. 😉


Sawtooth Waves,if you want my opinion on the wasteland timeline that Starlight created, I think it was the Storm King. Think about it, with all that magic in his staff, he would have created a huge storm and destroyed everything. Yes I think it really was the Storm king so please make a video about that it would great.🌩👑🪄


if the mane 6 didn't come together sunset shimmer couldn't wear the crown cause the stones turned into necklaces and a crown after the mane 6 first used the elements if starlight prevented the present the stones wouldn't never turned into those and i bet they still would've stayed shattered if nightmare moon wasn't stopped