What if Sunset didn't even have a motive? If Celestia was right in the first part of Equestria Girls Sunset became evil because she was envy of Twilight being princess . If rainboom didn't happen Twilight won't became a princess and Sunset won't be envy.

What if Sunset didn't even have a motive? If Celestia was right in the first part of Equestria Girls Sunset became evil because she was envy of Twilight being princess . If rainboom didn't happen Twilight won't became a princess and Sunset won't be envy.

@Sawtooth Waves hi sawtooth I know this video is two years old but I have a new theory on starlight glimmers alternate timelines, more specifically the barren wasteland one, we all know that sunset shimmer could never have been the cause of that timeline you proved that quite wonderfully, however there is one scenario that could.....remember starlights dream that she had after she switched Celestia and Luna's cutie marks? The one where Celestia and Luna became Daybreaker and nightmare moon respectively and started fighting each other? What if that actually happened in that reality? Let me paint the picture: Princess Celestia gets angry at her sister Luna for what ever reason or is corrupted by an outside foe like say Sombra or some other hidden foe, loses control of her magic and in the middle of the the night turns into Daybreaker, after the transformation she raises the sun and refuses to lower it in a reverse nightmare moon fashion Luna upon seeing her sister out of control tries to reason with her and  is forced to fight refusing to involve twilight and the mane 6 and the elements of harmony due to her experience with the elements and she doesn't want to seal her sister away, soon all of Equestria start taking sides in the fight, some support the solar empress Daybreaker, and some support the lunar princess, Princess Luna the fighting is long and arduous but neither side is willing to give, sooner or later Luna start to get weaker, her mental fortitude gone, she hears the voice of nightmare moon telling her that the only way she can beat Daybreaker is by using her power, weakened by the fight she succumbs and becomes nightmare moon once again and start fighting each other once more, the armies of each princess upon seeing the devastation wrought by the fighting decide to band together to save the princesses but ultimately fail, Daybreaker ultimately wins the fight against her sister but ultimately loses when she consumed by her own power in a huge explosion incinerating everything resulting in the barren wasteland you see in starlight glimmers alternate timelines.

@Sawtooth Waves can I add something on to to your point of your theory point what if she decided to team up with Sombra cozy glow grogar (A.K.A. Discord) Queen Chrysalis and her changelings  the storm King and if the Dazzlings would have won the battle of the bands that time Aria blaze Adagio dazzle and sonata dusk then we would really have problems then we would have to see an alternative version of princess Celestia and Luna say we all the help we can get the Equestria is under attack badly we need all the help we can get like right away they are not allowed to gossip about school at all it's going to be all fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight fight until they finally go away permanently

@Sawtooth Waves Maybe she took the 5 elements at the castle of the two sisters but  she got overthrown by the other villains than she failed

@Sawtooth Waves Maybe she took the 5 elements at the castle of the two sisters but  she got overthrown by the other villains than she failed

Maybe she took the 5 elements at the castle of the two sisters but  she got overthrown by the other villains than she failed

Maybe she took the 5 elements at the castle of the two sisters but  she got overthrown by the other villains than she failed

@The Anti Critic dude this is a my little pony music and theory channel

@The Anti Critic dude this is a my little pony music and theory channel

@Saj Khan we probably don't get to see them for all we know they could be in China or something

@Saj Khan we probably don't get to see them for all we know they could be in China or something

@Thinkwithvideos <br>Unless the Mane 6 found them 👍

@Thinkwithvideos
Unless the Mane 6 found them 👍

@Galaxy Moonglow <br>Don't worry. Human👩 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ brought magic🌠 to the Human👩 World🌎 of Canterlot High School🏫 in the first place. Human👩 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ is one the Canterlot High School🏫 students. And, human👩 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀, Canterlot High🏫's Owlowiscious♂🦉🤎, and dog🐶 Spike♂🐶💚💜 are part of the adventurous🧭 Equestria Girls👩

@Galaxy Moonglow
Don't worry. Human👩 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ brought magic🌠 to the Human👩 World🌎 of Canterlot High School🏫 in the first place. Human👩 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ is one the Canterlot High School🏫 students. And, human👩 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀, Canterlot High🏫's Owlowiscious♂🦉🤎, and dog🐶 Spike♂🐶💚💜 are part of the adventurous🧭 Equestria Girls👩

@Galaxy Moonglow <br>Unless Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ brought magic🌌 to the Human👩 World🌎 of Canterlot High School🏫 in the first place 👍

@Galaxy Moonglow
Unless Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ brought magic🌌 to the Human👩 World🌎 of Canterlot High School🏫 in the first place 👍

@nupur goel <br>Unless human👩 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀👩(😇)🧡 defeated Midnight Sparkle♀🦹♀(😈)💜

@nupur goel
Unless human👩 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀👩(😇)🧡 defeated Midnight Sparkle♀🦹♀(😈)💜

@Galaxy Moonglow <br>😠 But,Galaxy Moonglow, she DID bring magic🌌 to the Human👩 World🌎 of Canterlot High School🏫 in the first place 😤

@Galaxy Moonglow
😠 But,Galaxy Moonglow, she DID bring magic🌌 to the Human👩 World🌎 of Canterlot High School🏫 in the first place 😤

@{ Bl●●d moon gamer } <br>It's all right. You can do your things your way, just your way you like 👍

@{ Bl●●d moon gamer }
It's all right. You can do your things your way, just your way you like 👍

@zeb jensen <br>It's okay. Accidents happen

@zeb jensen <br>Don't worry, sweetheart. Discord♂, the Spirit🌠 of Chaos, turned good😇

@zeb jensen
Don't worry, sweetheart. Discord♂, the Spirit🌠 of Chaos, turned good😇

@Pat the Guitarist <br>I like Carnation🥳 Celebration🎊 🎆

@Pat the Guitarist
I like Carnation🥳 Celebration🎊 🎆

@Stalker-nim <br>But, pal, she DID tripped over winged-dragon🐲 Spike♂'s tail by mistake. Whoa! [Thud] Oh! Ow🤕. That hurts 😢

@Stalker-nim
But, pal, she DID tripped over winged-dragon🐲 Spike♂'s tail by mistake. Whoa! [Thud] Oh! Ow🤕. That hurts 😢

@Saida Sultana <br>The pony🦄 one? She does in my Walt Disney dreams💭

@Saida Sultana
The pony🦄 one? She does in my Walt Disney dreams💭

@Noorani Steels <br>Pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ and pony🦄 Flash📸 Sentry♂ + Girlfriend and boyfriend / Later / husband🤵 and wife👰 = ✅

@Noorani Steels
Pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ and pony🦄 Flash📸 Sentry♂ + Girlfriend and boyfriend / Later / husband🤵 and wife👰 = ✅

@pearlene grace <br>Sometimes⏰, that Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ is a Grinch 😠

@pearlene grace
Sometimes⏰, that Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ is a Grinch 😠

@Lily Martin <br>I hate👿 Demon😈 Sunset♀ and Midnight Sparkle♀. They're the Forces☠ of Evil💀

@Lily Martin
I hate👿 Demon😈 Sunset♀ and Midnight Sparkle♀. They're the Forces☠ of Evil💀

@Bubblepop_yt <br>What kind of Knowledge?🤨?

@Schleich falcon wolf 800 <br>"I" what🤨? Come on 😠! Spit it out 😠!

@Schleich falcon wolf 800
"I" what🤨? Come on 😠! Spit it out 😠!

@Err0r_ <br>That's right 😇. Human👩 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ and human👩 Starlight🌟 Glimmer♀ worked together to rescue☸ the Equestria Girls👩

@Err0r_
That's right 😇. Human👩 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ and human👩 Starlight🌟 Glimmer♀ worked together to rescue☸ the Equestria Girls👩

@Darkhellia DarkFire <br>Don't be silly 😠. Pony🦄 Counterparts and human👩 Counterparts don't die💀

@Darkhellia DarkFire
Don't be silly 😠. Pony🦄 Counterparts and human👩 Counterparts don't die💀

@Lucky blaster <br>Don't worry. Starlight🌟 Glimmer♀ is the Spirit🌠 of the Element💎(😇) of Justice♎(😇)

@Lucky blaster
Don't worry. Starlight🌟 Glimmer♀ is the Spirit🌠 of the Element💎(😇) of Justice♎(😇)

@Shawn Pickett Pauley💙🎩 Why? Her reformation is blatantly rushed, as you can see.

@Shawn Pickett Pauley💙🎩 Why? Her reformation is blatantly rushed, as you can see.

@•☆GächaxKing☆• <br>Don't worry. Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ is the Spirit🌠 of the Element💎 of Magic🌌

@•☆GächaxKing☆•
Don't worry. Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ is the Spirit🌠 of the Element💎 of Magic🌌

@Secret space Kitty’s <br>But I care❤. I just can't stop✋ caring💖

@Secret space Kitty’s
But I care❤. I just can't stop✋ caring💖

@Jellybean <br>"Powerless"? I like Powerful🔋 better 😇. It's super🦸♀ strength💪

@Jellybean
"Powerless"? I like Powerful🔋 better 😇. It's super🦸♀ strength💪

@The Cool RockersVEVO <br>I like Harmony🎼 better 😇

@The Cool RockersVEVO
I like Harmony🎼 better 😇

@Sofie's Palace <br>It is with the enchanted🌌 Elements💎 of Harmony🎼

@Sofie's Palace
It is with the enchanted🌌 Elements💎 of Harmony🎼

@Jimmy Orozco <br>I hope your head gets healed

@Jimmy Orozco
I hope your head gets healed

@o <br>Don't worry sweetie pie, human👩 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀👩(😇)🧡❤ has something better😇: friends💑

@o
Don't worry sweetie pie, human👩 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀👩(😇)🧡❤ has something better😇: friends💑

@Robin <br>Oh yeah. The "My Little Pony🦄: Equestria Girls👩: Forgotten🚫 Friendship💑" special💝. I don't like forgotten friendships💑, only happy😊 friendships👩❤👩

@Robin
Oh yeah. The "My Little Pony🦄: Equestria Girls👩: Forgotten🚫 Friendship💑" special💝. I don't like forgotten friendships💑, only happy😊 friendships👩❤👩

@Jimmy Orozco <br>Don't be ridiculous 😠! Pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀(🦄🌠🕊)💜 IS the Good😇 Princess👸 of Friendship💑

@Jimmy Orozco
Don't be ridiculous 😠! Pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀(🦄🌠🕊)💜 IS the Good😇 Princess👸 of Friendship💑

@Jimmy Orozco <br>It's very naughty to steal

@Jimmy Orozco
It's very naughty to steal

@Huyền Vũ Thị Thanh <br>A good😇 point, or a bad😠 point?🤨?

@Huyền Vũ Thị Thanh
A good😇 point, or a bad😠 point?🤨?

@Kirk Lundberg <br>It's not nice to kill🪓. That's naughty 😠

@Kirk Lundberg
It's not nice to kill🪓. That's naughty 😠

@Xiaolin Loonatic <br>Don't worry. I like the good😇-hearted💛 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ better 😇

@Xiaolin Loonatic
Don't worry. I like the good😇-hearted💛 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ better 😇

@EG and AJ <br>Princess👸 Flurry Heart♀(🦄🌠🕊)💖 was born👼 an Alicorn. 😯 [Gasping] 😲! Shiver🥶 my Glaciers🧊

@EG and AJ
Princess👸 Flurry Heart♀(🦄🌠🕊)💖 was born👼 an Alicorn. 😯 [Gasping] 😲! Shiver🥶 my Glaciers🧊

@The Weirdo Channel
😰 But, sweetheart, Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀(🦄🌠🕊)💜 IS the Spirit🌌 of Magic🌠.
P.S, it's NOT the Element💎 of Magic🌌 without Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀(🦄🌠🕊)💜 😰

@The Weirdo Channel
😰 But, sweetheart, Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀(🦄🌠🕊)💜 IS the Spirit🌌 of Magic🌠.
P.S, it's NOT the Element💎 of Magic🌌 without Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀(🦄🌠🕊)💜 😰

@IndoDINO Youtube
But, dude, in the Beginning of Season 1, pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀(🦄🌠🕊)💜, winged-dragon🐉 Spike♂(🐲 + 🔥🟢)💚💜, and their new-found friends💑 defeated Nightmare Moon♀(🦄🌌🕊)🖤.

The Good😇 Guardians🦸♀ of Friendship💑:
Pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀(🦄🌠🕊)💜: Magic 🌟.
Pony🦄 Rarity♀(🦄🌌)🤍: Generosity 💎.
Pony🦄 Applejack♀(🦄🐴)🧡: Honesty 🍎.
Pony🦄 Pinkie Pie♀(🦄🐴)💖: Laughter 🎈.
Pony Fluttershy♀(🦄🕊)💛: Kindness 🦋.
Pony 🦄 Rainbow🌈 Dash♀(🦄🕊)💙: Loyalty 🌩.
Pony🦄 good😇-hearted💛 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀(🦄🌠)🧡: Forgiveness ☀.
Pony🦄 good😇-hearted💛 Starlight🌟 Glimmer♀(🦄🌌)💜: Justice 💫.
Pony🦄 Applejack♀(🦄🐴)🧡's little sister👩❤👩, Apple🍎 Bloom♀(🦄🐴)💛: Happiness 🛡🍎💖.
Pony🦄 Rarity♀(🦄🌠)🤍's little sister👩❤👩, Sweetie Belle♀(🦄🌌)🤍: Joyful 🛡⭐🎵.
Pony🦄 Rainbow🌈 Dash♀'s little sister👩❤👩, Scootaloo Dash♀(🦄🕊)🧡: Fun 🛡⚡🕊.
Pony🦄 good😇-hearted💛 Cozy Glow♀(🦄🌠🕊)💖: Caring 🛡♟💖.
Pony🦄 Luster Dawn♀(🦄🌌)💖: Goodness 🌼🌅💫

@Miso Hoshi <br>Actually, pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ is the Spirit🌠 of the Element💎 of Magic🌌

@Miso Hoshi
Actually, pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ is the Spirit🌠 of the Element💎 of Magic🌌

@FoxyGamer16 <br>But pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ made it Good😇 Possible

@FoxyGamer16
But pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ made it Good😇 Possible

@jose luis esquivias otazu <br>I like the good😇-hearted💛 Cozy Glow♀ better 😇. She's part of the brave🤠 Mane 7

@jose luis esquivias otazu
I like the good😇-hearted💛 Cozy Glow♀ better 😇. She's part of the brave🤠 Mane 7

@Saj Khan
I love💖 it when they do 😇.
Super🦸♀ awesome 😇!

@Saj Khan
I love💖 it when they do 😇.
Super🦸♀ awesome 😇!

@Nalini Nimje <br>I'm a powerful💪 Fan of the cartoon "My Little Pony🦄 G4" series 😇

@Nalini Nimje
I'm a powerful💪 Fan of the cartoon "My Little Pony🦄 G4" series 😇

@Karolina Piedel <br>But dude, pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ IS the Princess👸 of Friendship💑

@Karolina Piedel
But dude, pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ IS the Princess👸 of Friendship💑

@RaiAE' <br>I like the HARMONY🎼 ones better 😇

@RaiAE'
I like the HARMONY🎼 ones better 😇

@Karolina Piedel <br>I like the good😇-hearted💛 Starlight🌟 Glimmer♀ better 😇. She's the Spirit🌠 of the Element💎 of Justice♎😇

@Karolina Piedel
I like the good😇-hearted💛 Starlight🌟 Glimmer♀ better 😇. She's the Spirit🌠 of the Element💎 of Justice♎😇

@Saipriya Gowthamachandran <br>I know the Harmony🎼 Elements💎(🏅/👑) are enchanted🌠. They defeat evil😈 forces☠

@Saipriya Gowthamachandran
I know the Harmony🎼 Elements💎(🏅/👑) are enchanted🌠. They defeat evil😈 forces☠

@Sawtooth Waves <br>Don't worry, friend💑. I like the good😇-hearted💛 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ better 😇. She's one of the Forces☠ of Goodness😇

@Sawtooth Waves
Don't worry, friend💑. I like the good😇-hearted💛 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀ better 😇. She's one of the Forces☠ of Goodness😇

As I understood it, Sunset was upset, because she was meant to become a princess but for Sunset, the process was too slow. So she ran away, into the portal and took over the school.

As I understood it, Sunset was upset, because she was meant to become a princess but for Sunset, the process was too slow. So she ran away, into the portal and took over the school.

@Sawtooth Waves

3:57

THATS EXACTLY IT.

Without the element of magic she cant do anything

@Sawtooth Waves

3:57

THATS EXACTLY IT.

Without the element of magic she cant do anything

@nupur goel sunset wouldn't have taken magic into the human world if the Element of Magic wasn't there. Studying magic made Twilight turn into midnight sparkle , but if there wasn't any magic in the human world - she won't have a reason to become Midnight Sparkle.

@nupur goel sunset wouldn't have taken magic into the human world if the Element of Magic wasn't there. Studying magic made Twilight turn into midnight sparkle , but if there wasn't any magic in the human world - she won't have a reason to become Midnight Sparkle.

what if sunset became the princess in that au

what if sunset became the princess in that au

✧𝒸𝓇𝓎𝓈𝓉𝒶𝓁 𝓅𝑒𝑔𝒶𝓈𝓊𝓈✧

@nupur goel Magic wouldn't have even come in the human world, leaving human Twilight with no reasons to study magic - which will prevent Midnight Sparkle.

@nupur goel Magic wouldn't have even come in the human world, leaving human Twilight with no reasons to study magic - which will prevent Midnight Sparkle.

@Saipriya Gowthamachandran  the crown only works for princess celestia

@Saipriya Gowthamachandran  the crown only works for princess celestia

If sunset wouldn't have discovered that there is another world they couldn't have defeated Midnight sparkle

If sunset wouldn't have discovered that there is another world they couldn't have defeated Midnight sparkle

@RaiAE' that wouldn't have resulted in her turning into a demon because there's no guarantee that Celestia has any power. The human world won't be endangered like we saw it - Sunset may not be able to bring magic in the human world. <br>Wait, this won't happen at all. Celestia and Luna's chamber must be more guarded that any other. She would be discovered and perhaps held prisoner in Equestria.

@RaiAE' that wouldn't have resulted in her turning into a demon because there's no guarantee that Celestia has any power. The human world won't be endangered like we saw it - Sunset may not be able to bring magic in the human world.
Wait, this won't happen at all. Celestia and Luna's chamber must be more guarded that any other. She would be discovered and perhaps held prisoner in Equestria.

is it possible she became like a alternative twilight maybe she even had her own main six a version where sunset was the main element of magic i know she didn't have the same bond in any movies with any other ponys but what if she had and never knew because twilight was the one in the light in the original timeline i for one would love to see a timeline where sunset and her own little team of ponys were the main six

Buuut... Sunset and Twilight never even met.

Buuut... Sunset and Twilight never even met.

@zeb jensen of course I love the show to. Talk to you soon

@zeb jensen of course I love the show to. Talk to you soon

@{ Bl●●d moon gamer } thanks I apreciate it. still I mean what I said feel free to send a message I quite like this show and it would be fun to talk about it.

@{ Bl●●d moon gamer } thanks I apreciate it. still I mean what I said feel free to send a message I quite like this show and it would be fun to talk about it.

@{ Bl●●d moon gamer } and I would be happy to talk more its a good show and I am just starting to really get into it.

@{ Bl●●d moon gamer } and I would be happy to talk more its a good show and I am just starting to really get into it.

@{ Bl●●d moon gamer } I know sorry I have a bad habit of taking an idea and running my mouth off. sorry I can't help it once I get an idea I share it without thinking.

@{ Bl●●d moon gamer } I know sorry I have a bad habit of taking an idea and running my mouth off. sorry I can't help it once I get an idea I share it without thinking.

@zeb jensen I was agreeing with you the entire time!

@zeb jensen I was agreeing with you the entire time!

@{ Bl●●d moon gamer } mind you that it's impossible for any of that to happen like you said, but even if it did there is no way she could have beaten celestia and a the other alicorns at the time even without twilight's help. and her army of zombies, royal guard is prosumable a whole army all over the country so ya surrounded on all sides much.... she would have needed to hypnotize an entire state to even stand a chance and honestly mind control magic has been broken before so ya.

I almost feel bad for sunset she was so bitter and felt so worthless that she went rouge to prove herself. what kind of family life did she have to feel like she needed to go so far to prove she had value.

@{ Bl●●d moon gamer } even if they did just for the sake of entertaining the idea sunset would have just been beaten by celesta and the other alicorns and royal army. And would have ether been reformed through Celestia or imprisoned so rather way she looses and it really wouldn't have mattered.

@{ Bl●●d moon gamer } even if they did just for the sake of entertaining the idea sunset would have just been beaten by celesta and the other alicorns and royal army. And would have ether been reformed through Celestia or imprisoned so rather way she looses and it really wouldn't have mattered.

Yeah that's kind of a big thing of one out. Without the main 6th The Elements of Harmony wouldn't have even gone through the portal. Oh wait now watching the entire video you thought of that already

Yeah that's kind of a big thing of one out. Without the main 6th The Elements of Harmony wouldn't have even gone through the portal. Oh wait now watching the entire video you thought of that already

@RaiAE' a lack of harmony is called discord or chaos. but I agree that is possible.

@RaiAE' a lack of harmony is called discord or chaos. but I agree that is possible.

@RaiAE' That was one thing I didn't get about the finale.
In The Ending of the End, Twilight said, "now that my crown's been fitted..." and then in The Last Problem, we see Celestia and Luna merge their crowns together to make Twilight's.
Did they merge them before hand to make sure it would fit, then separate them again until the coronation?

@Sawtooth Waves sawtooth my theori is far fetch but what if sunset never discovered the human dimansion here's why because the rainboom not only effected the mane 6 it also effected other ponies like sunburst he got his cutie mark so there is a possibilaty that sunset got her cutie mark too because of the rainboom soo if starlight stopped the rainboom from happening sunset might never even went to magic school or pass the test to get in soo she might never became celestia's student in the first place soo at that point she never discovered the human dimansion sooo nothing happend in the human dimansion and nothing magical even a tiny bit effected the human dimansion soo thats my theori sorry it is soo long but i hope you read this and signing off bro hoof

If the mane six never got together, then the elements wouldn't have been found, if the elements didn't get found, then Sunset wouldn't have gotten the crown and it's magic in the first place so none of that would've happened. She would still be the popular bully of the school.

If the mane six never got together, then the elements wouldn't have been found, if the elements didn't get found, then Sunset wouldn't have gotten the crown and it's magic in the first place so none of that would've happened. She would still be the popular bully of the school.

@RaiAE' no because celestia's crown doesn't have magic

@RaiAE' no because celestia's crown doesn't have magic

What if sunset shimmer never existed in my Little pony

What if sunset shimmer never existed in my Little pony

What is sunset shimmer never existed in my Little pony

What is sunset shimmer never existed in my Little pony

Twilight become a princess. Flash call sunset shimmer Twilight Crown there

Twilight become a princess. Flash call sunset shimmer Twilight Crown there

Alright everyone we had the song Scourge's part a version of Flurry's part where Scourge became a warrior angel please hold the applause we have a place inside the sun for this

Alright everyone we had the song Scourge's part a version of Flurry's part where Scourge became a warrior angel please hold the applause we have a place inside the sun for this

Ye but is may be in the  future and the future main six and gorgeous made that <br>waste land

Ye but is may be in the  future and the future main six and gorgeous made that
waste land

@Sawtooth Waves the rain boom got twilight into magic school and twilight caused the rebellion

@Sawtooth Waves the rain boom got twilight into magic school and twilight caused the rebellion

@Randy Rios Cruz Sunset because she began her studies with Celestia before Twilight. This shows that Sunset is a bit older than Twilight and Twilight and Starlight are around the same age

@Randy Rios Cruz Sunset because she began her studies with Celestia before Twilight. This shows that Sunset is a bit older than Twilight and Twilight and Starlight are around the same age

@pearlene grace Who is older? Sunset or Starlight?

@pearlene grace Who is older? Sunset or Starlight?

Sunset became evil but not because of Twilight. In Celestia's words " However when she did not get what she wanted as quickly as she liked she turned cruel and dishonest". So according to what Celestia said Sunset was dissatisfied with her studies so she abandoned them.

Sunset became evil but not because of Twilight. In Celestia's words " However when she did not get what she wanted as quickly as she liked she turned cruel and dishonest". So according to what Celestia said Sunset was dissatisfied with her studies so she abandoned them.

Way this thing could be scary but a little bit 😭😭😭😘😘

Way this thing could be scary but a little bit 😭😭😭😘😘

Of magic and I no where this thing scary 😘😘😘😭😭😭

Of magic and I no where this thing scary 😘😘😘😭😭😭

@Saj Khan Because maybe their parents have never married there

@Saj Khan Because maybe their parents have never married there

Yes she couldn’t get the element of magic but she could get the other 5 because Look how powerful midnight sparkle was and she had five elements and the portal magic so is sunset have that magic she will be more powerful than the Demon sunset

Yes she couldn’t get the element of magic but she could get the other 5 because Look how powerful midnight sparkle was and she had five elements and the portal magic so is sunset have that magic she will be more powerful than the Demon sunset

@Sawtooth Waves is the best YouTube channel

@Sawtooth Waves is the best YouTube channel

@RaiAE' but that doesnt contain an element of harmony or maybe, any magic at all

@RaiAE' but that doesnt contain an element of harmony or maybe, any magic at all

True but she could be the princess of knowledge

True but she could be the princess of knowledge

@Sawtooth Waves why are you not uploading any video

@Sawtooth Waves why are you not uploading any video

Can u plese read my coment. I think thet i have a good point and i olso want to know what do u think about it. So if u so this plase answer on my coment

Can u plese read my coment. I think thet i have a good point and i olso want to know what do u think about it. So if u so this plase answer on my coment

Yes but sunset left before Twighlight camed, princess celestija iven said thet, Sunset left a litle bit before Twighlight camed. So...

Yes but sunset left before Twighlight camed, princess celestija iven said thet, Sunset left a litle bit before Twighlight camed. So...

@Jimmy Orozco I have a theory, what if the final timeline was the Fallout: Equestria timeline?

@Jimmy Orozco I have a theory, what if the final timeline was the Fallout: Equestria timeline?

Your right so if past sunset shimmer met starlight they can work togther

Your right so if past sunset shimmer met starlight they can work togther

@Saj Khan probably because their original human couterparts died or something.

@Saj Khan probably because their original human couterparts died or something.

Actually Sunset became evil long before Twilight became Celestia's new apprentice. Celestia learned from her mistakes when teaching Sunset that if she wanted to make sure Twilight didn't become evil Twilight would need to learn about the magic of friendship which is why Celestia sent Twilight to Ponyville in the first place, it's because Celestia found the ponies that would represent the other Elements of Harmony because she knew that since she used the Elements to seal her sister away in the moon for 1000 years that the Elements would no longer work for her because she was only connected to 3 of the elements, not all of them so she had to find new element barers. Although Celestia taking on Twilight as her new apprentice after Sunset might not have even happened because Twilight didn't get her cutie mark until during the rainboom, if the rainboom never happened and Sunset never became "evil" or in this case power hungry like she did, Celestia might have had the chance to introduce the magic of friendship to Sunset instead of Twilight, and even if the other mane five weren't all in ponyville after the rainboom that never happened I'm sure Celestia would have eventually found other element barers that could work in the original 5's place.

Just like starlight! Even if they don't know each other they still have the same envy!☺

Just like starlight! Even if they don't know each other they still have the same envy!☺

@RaiAE' not that crown! The element of magic!

@RaiAE' not that crown! The element of magic!

@RaiAE' but her crown doesn't give her power

@RaiAE' but her crown doesn't give her power

Do anybody cares and ur wrong everybody are wrong

Do anybody cares and ur wrong everybody are wrong

And the crown On Celesta And Luna Have A bit Off The Elemants Magic so Yeah that’s my theroy

And the crown On Celesta And Luna Have A bit Off The Elemants Magic so Yeah that’s my theroy

Wait I remember that When Luna And celesta Combinded THEYRE Crowns To twilight What if The elements Magic Had Some off the crown Magic and Sunset Used The crown to try to destroy Twilight And THEYRE Friend s That means The Princesses are Powerless Withput THEYRE Crowns

Wait I remember that When Luna And celesta Combinded THEYRE Crowns To twilight What if The elements Magic Had Some off the crown Magic and Sunset Used The crown to try to destroy Twilight And THEYRE Friend s That means The Princesses are Powerless Withput THEYRE Crowns

@Sawtooth Waves I have a video idea. What if you talk on the 7th element of harmony? Dr. Wolf has made a couple of videos on it, but it’s basically that there’s always been a missing element. If you look on the season 1 premiere, when the mane six find the elements in the castle of the two sisters, there’s already 6 elements, but when pinkie pie counts them there’s only 5. That one element was left out. Plus, in season 2 ‘secret of my excess,’ in the scene in which twilight finds out about spike’s greed, you can see that in his pile of things he collected there is that one element again. It’s just like how the elements used to be, a stone. It’s a stone but it’s still the 7th element of harmony.

When the castle appeared from the chest, there were 7 thrones. And yet again, in the season 7 Finale when we got introduced to the pillars in the background story, there were 6 colors, each representing the seed they planted. But you can see a 7th one, meaning that there were 7 elements.

What if she used a disharmony element she would of won

What if she used a disharmony element she would of won

@RaiAE'  but that will not have any magic

@RaiAE'  but that will not have any magic

@Jimmy Orozco honestly it was really relieving with all these times that we have to be at home all the time and have no socialisation since B beginning of covid so thank you as well

@Jimmy Orozco honestly it was really relieving with all these times that we have to be at home all the time and have no socialisation since B beginning of covid so thank you as well

@Robin thanks for the conversation, exchanging ideas Is the best about fandoms.

@Robin thanks for the conversation, exchanging ideas Is the best about fandoms.

@Jimmy Orozco I've enjoyed this. And once again, its very possible that this theory isn't possible.

@Jimmy Orozco I've enjoyed this. And once again, its very possible that this theory isn't possible.

@Robin yeah my brain hurts too. I legit have no idea why this conversation started anymore<br>But the theory is possible that’s All I’m gonna say

@Robin yeah my brain hurts too. I legit have no idea why this conversation started anymore
But the theory is possible that’s All I’m gonna say

No, she didn't know of Twilight then. She became evil because she didn't get what she wanted quick enough. She wanted power. She was lonely, too.

No, she didn't know of Twilight then. She became evil because she didn't get what she wanted quick enough. She wanted power. She was lonely, too.

@Jimmy Orozco Ok, give me a sec to grasp all the conversation comments we have.

Ok. Here we go.
First, when she first got into the school to many years of studying, she would probably have a completely different idea on how powerful she wanted to be. Second, Tia wouldnt have known anyone knew it existed, other than herself and Luna. Because of this, she wouldn't waste her power on a spell for no reason. Third of all, idk if an invisibility spell exists either, theres too much magic. Fourth of all, thats true. She did just, suck then out if the stones. BUT say she couldn't get to them on time. Sunset snuck in, when Luna and Tia left, she took some power, yada yada yada, ive written the rest in some comment. Fifth, my brains starting to hurt. Never have I thought I would be having a conversation about MLP to see if a theory was even possible. But here we are. And I'm honestly not ashamed.

@Robin she was probably greedy from the start, getting in the school just to become powerful. Second yes idk what to call it either though it is a 40 minute long thing so yeah sort of a movie. Third yes maybe the artifacts are magical. Fourth yeah but Tia would’ve known that she was gonna try that so she would’ve set a spell to see invisible ponies, maybe that’s a thing too. Fifth idk if invisibly spells exist. We never rlly see anypony use them in the show.  sixth, yeah that’s try but we saw Tia simply take them out of the stone spheres. Though doing that with the element of magic would be hard, I’m sure that with how much she learned with Tia would’ve helped get the others. And seventh, my ideas don’t line up with yours either D:

@Jimmy Orozco Ok, first addressing the "only books in restricted section". Twilight cried out the names of some artifacts, and when in shock said something like " so many unread books and ancient artifacts". So even though we don't SEE them, they're still there. Of course we can't CONFIRM their existence, or if they're even magical, but once again, thats why it's a theory. Second of all, I didn't know what else to call it. Movie, Episode, whatever. Third of all, Sunset could already have casted an invisibility spell, as I'm sure that exists. Sneaking in behind the princesses. Fourth of all, maybe her desire was held off while being a student. We never really see how quickly she became greedy for magic. Fifth of all, the elements of magic would do nothing without Twilight. They would still be just rocks. Sixth of all, I know my "of alls" don't line up with urs. Sorry.

@Robin ok first of all, it isn't a movie its a 40 minute not-so-short short, second of all,  I've watched it, third of all, if Sunset were to steal the... well... spells, not artifacts, she would have to go in there after they leave, and to me it seems Celestia and Luna's magic are needed to lift their respective books and get in. And well there aren't really any artifacts in there. Sure, absorbing magic to become a demon and take over the world is EZ, but learning spells and reading books is just extra work that Sunset doesn't wanna go do. As I had said, she wanted power, and <b>quickly.</b> Reading and learning spells is what she had already been doing and it would've been a waste of her time. There is where I think she would've tried stealing the elements of harmony.

@Robin ok first of all, it isn't a movie its a 40 minute not-so-short short, second of all,  I've watched it, third of all, if Sunset were to steal the... well... spells, not artifacts, she would have to go in there after they leave, and to me it seems Celestia and Luna's magic are needed to lift their respective books and get in. And well there aren't really any artifacts in there. Sure, absorbing magic to become a demon and take over the world is EZ, but learning spells and reading books is just extra work that Sunset doesn't wanna go do. As I had said, she wanted power, and *quickly.* Reading and learning spells is what she had already been doing and it would've been a waste of her time. There is where I think she would've tried stealing the elements of harmony.

@Jimmy Orozco In this movie, when Sunset comes to the pony world, they travel to the Canterlot Library and go to a "restricted section" which is hidden. It hides books with great knowledge, ancient spells, and Dangerous spells, etc.

@Jimmy Orozco In this movie, when Sunset comes to the pony world, they travel to the Canterlot Library and go to a "restricted section" which is hidden. It hides books with great knowledge, ancient spells, and Dangerous spells, etc.

@Jimmy Orozco I FINALLY FOUND IT! it took forever of me searching in the wrong places, but its actually not In the season's. Its in a not very well known movie called "My Little Pony: Forgotten Friendship" it takes place in the human world of mlp but Sunset travels to the pony world, where we're shown the room.

@Robin and well apart from the artifact room, what artifacts, apart from the elements of harmony, do we know exist, and have enough power to completely change a spell for evil intentions?

@Robin and well apart from the artifact room, what artifacts, apart from the elements of harmony, do we know exist, and have enough power to completely change a spell for evil intentions?

@Jimmy Orozco I'm not sure, let me go digging.

@Jimmy Orozco I'm not sure, let me go digging.

@Robin In what episodes, so I can check?

@Robin In what episodes, so I can check?

@Jimmy Orozco And the artifact room WAS proven, only once or twice, however.

@Jimmy Orozco And the artifact room WAS proven, only once or twice, however.

@Jimmy Orozco And that's why as soon as she snuck in and took the power from the artifacts, she edited the spell that Celestia used to banish Luna to the Moon, and use it against Celestia and Luna. One in the Sun, one in the Moon. Of course, this might not work, but Thats why its just a theory.

@Jimmy Orozco And that's why as soon as she snuck in and took the power from the artifacts, she edited the spell that Celestia used to banish Luna to the Moon, and use it against Celestia and Luna. One in the Sun, one in the Moon. Of course, this might not work, but Thats why its just a theory.

@Robin and even then Celestia, being the smart alicorn she is, would’ve noticed overtime that she’s taking the power from the artifacts, and would’ve banished Sunset to Tartarus or something

@Robin and even then Celestia, being the smart alicorn she is, would’ve noticed overtime that she’s taking the power from the artifacts, and would’ve banished Sunset to Tartarus or something

@Robin yeah but still there’s no evidence towards any type of artifact room.

@Robin yeah but still there’s no evidence towards any type of artifact room.

@Jimmy Orozco Well, Here's my thought.

In the comment I wrote, Sunset had already been Celestia's Student for many years. And I did mis-type, because where I said twilight was her source of her evil. What I meant was that bc Twilight didn't become Celestia's student, She was content, as she was gaining the power she wanted so badly. When Celestia could teach her no more, she wondered why Celestia wouldn't make her an Alicorn so she could have more power, which she desired. So when going to confront her, she found the room. The magical overload of powers after a couple thousand years or so is because she took power from the artifacts little at a time, once each day or so. Eventually she took to much.

And as for the "not gain it slowly", she learned the most magic the fastest as she was 'Celestia's Best Student'. Because of this was the case, THATS why she wondered why Celestia wouldn't make her an Alicorn.

@RaiAE' Maybe sunset planned to come to equestria through the portal and steal celestia's crown as well

@RaiAE' Maybe sunset planned to come to equestria through the portal and steal celestia's crown as well

@Robin again, she didn’t become evil because of Twilight. She became evil because she had a lust for power, which she wanted to obtain quickly, and not study with Celestia to gain it slowly. This is why when Twi appeared along with the 6th element, she decided to steal the 6th element to finally feed her hunger for power. And since Sunset’s studies didn’t last for long, she didn’t learn of the artifacts herself or asked Celestia about alicorns and how to create them or such... and even if this all did happen, if Sunset couldn’t control the magic after a lot of years, she wouldn’t even be able to control it in the first place. When your power becomes uncontrollable, it normally happens after a few minutes of having that power inside you, not after a thousand or so years. If that is so, Sunset would have to be an already powerful unicorn to control that power for such a long time, but if she was that, she wouldn’t want alicorn power in the first place, and I’m tired of writing this so please tell me if you agree or not and we can discuss it together.

@Anita M. as I had said... Sunset left her studies with Celstia because she wanted power, and quickly. So there’s still a possibility she just went for the 5 elements she WAS able to get, and either not bother trying to get the 6th, or try but not succeed. Though your theory I like.

@Anita M. as I had said... Sunset left her studies with Celstia because she wanted power, and quickly. So there’s still a possibility she just went for the 5 elements she WAS able to get, and either not bother trying to get the 6th, or try but not succeed. Though your theory I like.

@Book Thoughts why did twilight become the princess of friendship? She discovered and created the magic of friendship. Without Twilight, there would’ve been no magic of friendship, and I’m sure even though MoonDancer is studious, she wouldn’t have discovered the magic of friendship. As you had said yourself, we don’t know how or even if she would’ve been able to enter the school. She questioned how Twilight was inside her book, and somepony with a lot of magic (which you need to get in the school in the first place) wouldn’t have asked Twi how she was inside her book. Plus, the reason Twi almost was never able to discover the magic of friendship was because she was studious and wanted to be alone all the time so she could study. MoonDancer doesn’t fit THAT well.

Yes, but she specifically ended her studies with Celestia because she wanted power, and quickly. While in the human world, Sunset would’ve plotted to steal the elements. When she comes out of the mirror with a plan set in place, she would’ve been able to steal the 5 elements of harmony, which will give her power. What she wanted. Still, without the 6th element, who again, can only be revealed with the magic of friendship, she probably wouldn’t have been able to defeat anypony, not even the villain that was probably ruling at that time.

@RaiAE' It could because Celestia and Luna's crowns were conjoined in Twilight's corination. This means that it could have some magic that makes Twilight able to move the Sun and Moon. If Sunset did try to steal princess Celestia's crown, moving the sun could not do her much good.

@RaiAE' It could because Celestia and Luna's crowns were conjoined in Twilight's corination. This means that it could have some magic that makes Twilight able to move the Sun and Moon. If Sunset did try to steal princess Celestia's crown, moving the sun could not do her much good.

@Sawtooth Waves hi sawthoot waves see this becasce this imopmtop my little pony movie 2  release date is September 24, 2021

@Sawtooth Waves hi sawthoot waves see this becasce this imopmtop my little pony movie 2  release date is September 24, 2021

@Saj Khan I think that there is no human sunset, maybe pony sunset killed human sunset, but with starlight, well... you know how pony starlight was obscure? Well human starlight is probably somewhere else.

@Saj Khan I think that there is no human sunset, maybe pony sunset killed human sunset, but with starlight, well... you know how pony starlight was obscure? Well human starlight is probably somewhere else.

Could you look at my comment Sawtooth Waves please?

Could you look at my comment Sawtooth Waves please?

@IndoDINO Youtube celestia turning to daybreaker can make sense because at this point of time maybe celestia got jealous of luna, like on that one video by sawtooth. Maybe the reason she hasn't broken in the original timeline is because the manesix had celestia and celestia had them especially twilight.

@Saj Khan now this is just my guess
But maybe they're in a different school in a different town, I like to think it's just coincidence that they haven't found their counterparts yet
But that's just a theory, a pony theory

@Saj Khan now this is just my guess
But maybe they're in a different school in a different town, I like to think it's just coincidence that they haven't found their counterparts yet
But that's just a theory, a pony theory

So it's grogar's future or daybreaker's future maybe daybreaker and nightmare moon's power collided almost destroying the planet (if you watch dragon ball super u will know wut I mean)

So it's grogar's future or daybreaker's future maybe daybreaker and nightmare moon's power collided almost destroying the planet (if you watch dragon ball super u will know wut I mean)

What if the last time line is one where starlight won, if she made every pony the same and then killed all the resources by making progress. This would explain the one tree and the darkness of the landscape. Suit or just pack of nutrients

What if the last time line is one where starlight won, if she made every pony the same and then killed all the resources by making progress. This would explain the one tree and the darkness of the landscape. Suit or just pack of nutrients

@Yolo Master why is it ... and nothing else?

@Yolo Master why is it ... and nothing else?

@Alexandra Adamczyk what why would it be ninjago of anything?

@Alexandra Adamczyk what why would it be ninjago of anything?

@Eclipse yeah i saw that but they might not know how to spell that

@Eclipse yeah i saw that but they might not know how to spell that

@Mriganayani Rajan sunset was not envious of twilight

@Mriganayani Rajan sunset was not envious of twilight

HELLO DONT MISUNDERSTAND THIS: Celestia was trying to get sompony to take over her and her sister's thrones for when they retire. Celestia was doing it alone because she was seen more by the ponies, she rules the day and does all that other stuff. Celestia was trying to find many ponies like hope, sunset, and finally, Twilight Sparkle, who was perfect, finally. Sunset was not angry from the start and learned about the mirror unlike other ponies (and the other ones not to see the mirror for this reason,) and sunset saw her chance to gain power, and took it. after then twilight became allicorn but twi was not allicorn when sunset ran away to other realm, ok as you can see, I have a lot to say. if you have any questions pls reply.

@Alexandra Adamczyk this channel is only mlp because- well, can't YOU figure that out on your own? sure, stuff like cartoon apocalypse does multiple shows, but this is unlike that. ponies know only of mlp and as intended have not found the other shows yet.  really? i did think of that before but his channel is only mlp for a reason. ugh I think I know why you guys cant figure this stuff out. btw he replies "What's a Hasbro?"  on a comment. i wouldn't know what Hasbro was either. Edit: dont get mad guys whats up with that?

@Ayra Khan its FIM btw(nm are next to each other) and mlp had nothing else to do as an adventure so...

@Ayra Khan its FIM btw(nm are next to each other) and mlp had nothing else to do as an adventure so...

@RaiAE'  bruh celestias crown doesn’t even hold magic

@RaiAE'  bruh celestias crown doesn’t even hold magic

Maybe Sunset would be Twilight's friend at that point? Just a thought.

Maybe Sunset would be Twilight's friend at that point? Just a thought.

Oh i get what you are saying now. But she would still be evil from before.

Oh i get what you are saying now. But she would still be evil from before.

@RaiAE' Twilights crown is mostly for show :-/

@RaiAE' Twilights crown is mostly for show :-/

@Saipriya Gowthamachandran No actually I used to think it did but one of the episodes showed me it wasnt

@Saipriya Gowthamachandran No actually I used to think it did but one of the episodes showed me it wasnt

SOMETIMES PRINCESSES MAKE MISTAKES! like how Celestia said "omg i dont get how allicorns can be born in eqeustria" but still does not mean that she was not born an allicorn. Cadence may have been the first official canon allicorn that had a kid so... Anyways, Celestia would not have Sunset as her student after Twilight became an allicorn, kinda... not... very... nice... but would still teach her. but still, Celestia may have been trying to get somepony to look after Equestria and after she had Twilight, she did not need anypony else because Twilight's talent is friendship and will rule with her friends like cadence with her family/husband and child. Ugh I have so much theories (I know its many, but I like this better.)

Uhh no Sunset would think of herself, Sunset became bad BEFORE Twilight became an allicorn. Celestia just never brought it up so when she came again she had to say. Celestia had many students for many reasons.

Uhh no Sunset would think of herself, Sunset became bad BEFORE Twilight became an allicorn. Celestia just never brought it up so when she came again she had to say. Celestia had many students for many reasons.

i was literally about to say tghe same thing lol

i was literally about to say tghe same thing lol

@Sawtooth Waves You make a good point, but in the alternate universes, there are still many other magical items that could enhance Sunset's magical power. I mean, there's magic that turned Cozy Glow into an Alicorn. This is a long stretch, but hear me out. In the alternate Universe starring Sunset, she would need a new reason to become evil, as she wouldn't have envy for twilight, because twilight never succeeded. Say, in the future, Sunset is Celestia's student. Her best student. Her magic power is powerful, and she's mastered almost every known magic. She decides she wants to learn more powerful magic. Such as how powerful Alicorn magic is. She confronts Celestia, asking if there was any way to turn a normal pony into an Alicorn. Celestia avoids the question, but Sunset's nagging won't stop. Celestia gets angry and sends Sunset to study. Afterwards, Celestia talks to her sister, worried that Sunset is growing greedy. While they are talking, Sunset is listening. Sunset grows angry, thinking her mentor doesn't trust her, even though she's studied hard. And right before she confronts them, they go somewhere Sunset never knew existed. A vault filled with magical items and forbidden spells. Sunset,even angrier her mentor would hide such power, plots to suck the magic out of the items and memorize the spells. She would become stronger than Celestia could imagine, and with her new magic try and overthrow Celestia. She would Succeed. She would take the spell that put Nightmare Moon in the moon for 1000 years, and enhance it to last for generations. She would banish Luna to the Moon, and Celestia to the sun. She'd enslave the ponies of equestria, but after years she's struggling. The magic she took was getting too hard to control. She tried to cast a spell to help, but ended up releasing all the dark magic, wiping the lands to baren...

Sunset didn't became envious of Twilight. According to the official comic story she became arrogant and impatient. Princess Celestia had Sunset punished because at a certain point she rebelled against Princess Celestia. Sad to lost her protege which she banned from her personal study program, she later found a new pupil in the form of Twilight Sparkle who did abide to the rules of Celestia. Sunset and Twilight are similar  to a certain point. They are both excellent and talented unicorns and at first they both were loners and did not have this desire to make friends. But they started to differ when Sunset became impatient and arrogant while Twilight stayed humble and had this patience.

@Sawtooth Waves Maybe not, if the rainboom was needed for Twilight to hatch Spike and get in, then no rainboom equals no jelousy... I do have to say, though, that that can of worm could remain in the shelve and happen latter... which would mean, most likely, the portal being close, which would lead us to: what would Sunset do? Surely pretend nothing was happen so nobody would cut her access to the library until it was too late, because one of the things Celestia has always struck me as is the type to trust in her juniors and let them find the anwers on their one.

I have yet to see the whole MLP series, but I couldn't help but thinking to the Xmass special when Twilight tell that storie about the ponny who made a spell to erase a holiday ruining a complete mess of winter... so, if that sort of thing could happen in MLP real life (I assume it does), then the answers seem likely to be related, no to inter dimensional stuff, but to the weather, so I see two paths: 1 Sunset wants to make Celestia useless by making her power over the sun obsolete and going terribly wrong... or the time travieling going hand in hand with your old theory of Nightmare Celestia taking over, making an eternal day have terrible weather concequences starting from 1.000 years before cannon starts, which could lead to the eventual dead of all things ponny in present cannon time.

Well, we don't know if she didn't have someone else who in these alternate timelines could replace Twilight.  However, I think that there's a strong possibility she did.  Y'all forget Moondancer so easily.  Being as studious, but without Twilight there to end up holding her back, she would be a PERFECT FIT for Princess of Friendship.  We don't know how she got into the school, so she might have done something as great as Twilight did and that might have been one of the things to lead them to being friends in the first place.  If not, Moondancer probably would have still had several chances to prove her worth.  You can't deny she's an awful lot like Twilight while being completely different.

Maybe the suspicious timeline was all of the villains

Maybe the suspicious timeline was all of the villains

There's also the possibility that she can't get back or denied to get the Element of Magic, I mean would a Villain just let the most destructive weapon in Equestria out in the open to be stolen and used against them? That's literally Villain 101, and then there's the fact that she couldn't rule Equestria because there's still other villains left, it took the Elements of Harmony to turn Discord to Stone and in the timeline where Discord rules (All hail Discord!) He just toyed with 2 Overpowered Alicorn for his fetish or whatever you call that Sex Show

@Sawtooth Waves See the thing is, without twilight and friends, the element of magic is still lost to Equestria. Without the element of magic, there is no demon sunset.

@Sawtooth Waves See the thing is, without twilight and friends, the element of magic is still lost to Equestria. Without the element of magic, there is no demon sunset.

@RaiAE' sunset is not that mad to steal every princesses crown what next she stole luna's

@RaiAE' sunset is not that mad to steal every princesses crown what next she stole luna's

Sunset Thursday that you want to destroy Equestria so maybe we are without Twilight Meet Me Maybe that's fine wine maybe she might destroy Equestria I think I'm I agree on that

Sunset Thursday that you want to destroy Equestria so maybe we are without Twilight Meet Me Maybe that's fine wine maybe she might destroy Equestria I think I'm I agree on that

2:25 I think that unknown timeline might have been Starlight’s timeline. How? I’ll explained it.
Since the mane six never came together, there wouldn’t be any barriers for Starlight’s cutie mark philosophy back when she ruled that village. Her plan was to make all of Equestria give up their cutie mark, and she could’ve spread to other areas of Equestria. She could’ve cast a spell to her village in order to help her take over one area. After that, she would unite all those who lost their cutie mark as part of her army. It kept getting larger.

With the staff of sameness, she could’ve secretly have took away the princesses’ cutie marks, and probably used all of the cutie marks she got to make herself powerful and stronger. Without anyone stopping her, she would’ve caused even more damage to everyone and maybe even got to a fight with Celestia and Luna, and since she’s good with magic, she would’ve caused a lot of destruction. And eventually defeating them. And leading up to a wasteland.

Plus the element of magic wasn't unveiled... not even to Celestia, until when Twilight and her new-found friends went after Nightmare Moon in the beginning of the first season! So if the Mane Six hadn't met or even just hadn't become friends, it's possible that the physical element of magic wouldn't exist in the first place.

Edit: I should have finished the vid first lol

Also I think the wasteland world would be that which all the villains teamed up on their own accord. Perhaps they even managed to free Grogar???

The only other possibility is maybe Celestia actually turned into Daybreaker in this timeline and scorched the planet to death.

@RaiAE' There's no history throughout the whole show, yet twilight's crown is an element of harmony so I think twilight's has much more purpose, and celestia's crown was just for a show

@RaiAE' There's no history throughout the whole show, yet twilight's crown is an element of harmony so I think twilight's has much more purpose, and celestia's crown was just for a show

@Sawtooth Waves What if she pretty much became twilight? Like the spark happened to her and she became the new element of magic. Nobody really knows the cause of the last timeline but maybe it had something to do with her not being as suited for the job?

@Sawtooth Waves What if she pretty much became twilight? Like the spark happened to her and she became the new element of magic. Nobody really knows the cause of the last timeline but maybe it had something to do with her not being as suited for the job?

@The Anti Critic noted. Ninjago is one of my favorite tv shows. And did you see the voice actor for Cole died?

@The Anti Critic noted. Ninjago is one of my favorite tv shows. And did you see the voice actor for Cole died?

@The Anti Critic Did he used to do Ninjago videos? Or are you suggesting that for something new to do?

@The Anti Critic Did he used to do Ninjago videos? Or are you suggesting that for something new to do?

Great theory, but Celestia saw that sunset was angry and Celestia didn’t give her the right to become an Alicorn or anything super special, because at the beginning she always wanted more power. So she may have returned to fight Celestia. But if it weren’t for twilight she probably never even would have went to the other dimension so I guess this theory is possible.

@Alexandra Adamczyk I’m saying maybe he should do other kontent like ninjago and everything wrong with Th3birdman

@Alexandra Adamczyk I’m saying maybe he should do other kontent like ninjago and everything wrong with Th3birdman

@Sawtooth Waves I’m so used to your name being the brony notion that it feels weird now.

@Sawtooth Waves I’m so used to your name being the brony notion that it feels weird now.

@Sawtooth Waves you should a monthly seires that would shown how future events would had happend in these timelines and how whoud they had reacted to future threats like tierk,storm king,day breaker,sunset shimmer ,cozy ect and to see if these timelines where doom for the start

@Sawtooth Waves you should a monthly seires that would shown how future events would had happend in these timelines and how whoud they had reacted to future threats like tierk,storm king,day breaker,sunset shimmer ,cozy ect and to see if these timelines where doom for the start

Why is it that Starlight and Sunset Shimmer don't have human counterparts??

Why is it that Starlight and Sunset Shimmer don't have human counterparts??

@Sawtooth Waves  I am a big fan . I love mlp

@Sawtooth Waves  I am a big fan . I love mlp

@RaiAE' Thank you, just thought of it lol. It could be a possibility that in at least one of those alternate timelines another pony became a princess (a pony that isn’t Twilight).

@RaiAE' Thank you, just thought of it lol. It could be a possibility that in at least one of those alternate timelines another pony became a princess (a pony that isn’t Twilight).

What if when Starlight created all those new timelines some other pony became a princess instead of Twilight. Just an idea.

What if when Starlight created all those new timelines some other pony became a princess instead of Twilight. Just an idea.

@RaiAE' Does princess celestia's crown have magic

@RaiAE' Does princess celestia's crown have magic

@Sawtooth Waves please do ninjago videos and play PvZ music in the background

@Sawtooth Waves please do ninjago videos and play PvZ music in the background

that's an excellent point! I didn't think of that, but even still, I don't think sunset would have settled for the human world. her rebellion from princess Celestia happened before the timeline split off, so i think it's only a matter of time before she would have tried something else.

that's an excellent point! I didn't think of that, but even still, I don't think sunset would have settled for the human world. her rebellion from princess Celestia happened before the timeline split off, so i think it's only a matter of time before she would have tried something else.


If Sunset never tripped over Spikes tail her plan wouldve suceded

Very true but I think sunset will still be sus

Now that i think abt it i feel like theres a deeper meening .It kinda shows how the smallest little detail can change so much!

This also means spike caused the magic crisis because if sunset succeeded scitwi wouldn't have destroyed the horse statue

@Ethan Beharry maybe if her fire glasses burnt out before she couldn't see the eyes

@Shawn Pickett Pauley💙🎩 This * that <br>JaxTerGames did

@Shawn Pickett Pauley💙🎩 This * that
JaxTerGames did

@Windy Whistles MLP <br>What kind of stars🌟?

@Windy Whistles MLP
What kind of stars🌟?

@Best Bacon Gaming <br>But, pal, human👩 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀, human👩 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀, and dog🐶 Spike♂ are one of the Forces☠ of Goodness😇

@Best Bacon Gaming
But, pal, human👩 Sunset🌅 Shimmer♀, human👩 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀, and dog🐶 Spike♂ are one of the Forces☠ of Goodness😇

@Ahaana Singh <br>He's one of the Forces☠ of Goodness😇

@Ahaana Singh
He's one of the Forces☠ of Goodness😇

@Homera Ahmad <br>Some people have pets. Some people don't

@Homera Ahmad
Some people have pets. Some people don't

@Izuku Midoriya <br>That's right. Winged-dragon🐉 Spike♂ is pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀'s Number One Assistant and royal👸 adviser. And always will be 😇

@Izuku Midoriya
That's right. Winged-dragon🐉 Spike♂ is pony🦄 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀'s Number One Assistant and royal👸 adviser. And always will be 😇

@*moonlight sapphire* I kind of thought about that too I just remembered but I didn't really go into that.

@Penny Robinson what are you talking about

Wait a minute, SPIKES THE TRUE HERO OF MLP?

Yeah, but it was pretty dark, so you can't blame her, can you?

so if she was paying attention she would’ve succeeded<br>And I oop

so if she was paying attention she would’ve succeeded
And I oop

if spike hadn't given her those eyes scitwi's plan would've succeeded

Spike saved them, he should get some more credit.


I always headcanoned that the final timeline is a timeline in which every villain led their attacks, causing blow after blow after blow to equestria. Their plans may have even clashed with eachother and caused battles between dictators. Sombra, crysalis, and nightmare moon, all after eachothers' heads? All while flim and flam are busy destroying the local ecosystem? THAT could truly leave the world a wasteland.

Oh yeah and without the elements the tree of harmony died and the everfree forest destroyed everything in the end


My head cannon is that the last time line is where starlight succeeds in removing all the cutie marks in equestria

@unripe THE Berrby When she had her own nightmare moon. I forgot the name but it makes sense.

@vikk biff The way I see it is that Twilight kept her natural form as an Alicorn for 2 reasons, one of which affected Starlight as well. The first, exclusive to Twilight, is that she had a direct link to the Cutie Map, which also ignored the shifts in the timeline because it's world-level magic that would always self correct and stand as a warning that things weren't as they should be. The second reason that also applied to Starlight being unaffected by the changing timelines is that she wasn't FROM those timelines. She was sent to them by the Time Travel spell when it's origin point changed due to Starlight meddling. Twilight and Starlight were from what could be called the Prime Timeline, the one that exists without extra-temporal interference. And since the other timelines are a product of extra-temporal interference by a pony from the Prime Timeline, the Prime Timeline has to happen, meaning Prime Twighlight and Starlight have to exist as they do, and by casting the Time Travel spell they've placed themselves outside of that little loop of causation in a way that lets them see and experience the changes they cause. It's like that episode in the show was a knot in the rope of time, and what Starlight was doing was pulling individual threads loose to fray the knot, creating tiny, dramatic offshoots that go nowhere because they can't exist without the main rope. Like the short time travel in the 3rd Harry Potter book and movie, they just reaffirmed what was already set to happen.

As twilight says “and what your doing leads here” to starlight makes me think that the villain that succeeds is starlight glimmer it’s just we don’t see her in that timeline.

I like to think its a few villains combined timeline where a few of them fought this devastating battle that lasted for quite a while ruining the ability for ponies and other creature to peacefully care for the land and eventually nobody came out on top either in one strike it killed all the villains in the fight but it was too late for the land or a drought or fire had killed everyone

My theory is that the barren wasteland was caused by an all-out battle and someone used a spell of annihilation or Armageddon and there is believed to be no life remaining and it might have been caused by some kind of advanced weapon like a nuke of some sort, if the ponies or others ever figured out that kind of technology.

But it probably was simply an all out war that killed everyone.

What never made sense to me I'm this episode was if Starlight stopped the sonic rainboom from happening then why didn't Twilight also lose her cutie mark and her alicorn powers, since if she failed her entrance exam and was not accepted into Celestia's school, then she would never have become a princess and therefore never gotten her wings, so Twilight should have become just another unicorn battling against Starlight Glimmer minus her wings and possibly cutie mark.

The rest of her friends didn't get their cutie marks because the sonic rainboom was effectively prevented.

@Snobey yeah but she wouldn’t have been able to do it without Starlight or the artifacts at the school so I don’t really think so

@oOf imagine if EVERY talents were removed. Weather ponies like Rainbow Dash wouldn't be able stop storms. Dangerous animals would attack everyone without ponies like Flutter Shy to calm them. Ponies like Apple Jack specialized in agriculture helped the ground to be fertile. Plus, she would have also take Magic from the princesses, so no sun, no moon and so no Cadance to stop Sombra. Magic would be gone.
That's actually an end where no one could have stopped Tyrek, Sombra, Chrysalis and many more. And who isn't telling us she stopped at ponies?? She probably has enough magic abilities to take dragons, griffins or even changelings abilities!

We can actually see she isn't just taking talents but also abilities in flying, magic or strength. They're all equal. Just ponies from our world.

@miriam oquendo mederos You mean Daybreaker.

@miriam oquendo mederos You mean Daybreaker.

You're my favourite YouTuber whatever you're having your whoever you are you are YouTuber or you the from the room watching

Maybe it's cozy glow timeline. Without ALL the equestrian magic.

Actually she did not remove them she replaced them with equal signs

@oOf If starlight did take all of the pony's cutie mark. This could happen. Everyone has no talent. Everything fades away.

I think that all of the timeline's villains got into a huge fight on who gets to rule and ended up destroying everything including themselves

No one has said this yet (as far as I know) but mabye we have seen the last timeline in a certain fanfic...

Fallout: Equestria

Maybe the Parasprites ate the entire equestria? Lol

I think you are right, especially cause it was a Starlight focused episode. As well as the fact that the crown wouldn’t exist if Twilight had never found the sixth element

@miriam oquendo mederos Ahh I understand now as well! Glad you had more comments to elaborate lol...
Yea, it is a nice theory at least.
If it could or couldn't happen in the actual show...

@miriam oquendo mederos interesting. Sorry the grammar in your first was off so it wasn’t really clear if you meant an actual nightmare or a person. It’s interesting but I personally don’t think that’s right. The one reason is the fact that I doubt twilight and sunset could get into celestial nightmares.

@TheArcticFox :D ik im just saying my theory  is that the last one could be celestia's nightmare

@miriam oquendo mederos it’s starlights night mare where nightmare moon and daybreaker fight.

@miriam oquendo mederos yes but evil celestial is called day breaker. Not nightmare celestial.

@TheArcticFox :D Umm no have you even waxched the episode were starlight cutiemark is called in the map

@oOf But if Twilight didn't become Princess,  Sunset wouldn't be able to steal the crown. <br>Without cutie Marks, no pony would be able to grow food and no pony cold control the weather. And that's how it could have happeneed. She could use ponies she already "brainwashed" to help her collect all cutie Marks.

@oOf But if Twilight didn't become Princess,  Sunset wouldn't be able to steal the crown.
Without cutie Marks, no pony would be able to grow food and no pony cold control the weather. And that's how it could have happeneed. She could use ponies she already "brainwashed" to help her collect all cutie Marks.

@TheArcticFox :D and remember nightmare moon but that was episodes later soo idk what could have happend there

@miriam oquendo mederos so the nightmare starlight had where celestial turned evil?

@TheArcticFox :D well is not exacly daybreaker celestia's nightmare is mostly starlight's

@miriam oquendo mederos do you mean day breaker?

I think it does not fit.
First, it would be really hard to gett ALL cutie marks of EQUESTRIA
Second, why is the place all burn and dead then? When a pony not have a cutie mark they still alive and still have magic, even a little

The idea of being a Sunset tineline fits more because
The place can be burn by Sunset since she was a demon who probably has powers related to fire

It looks like another Tirek timeline since when he was in his full form the sky was dark and red (since no one was controlling the sky) and he has fire related power

@unripe THE Berrby She would do anything for her ponies,unicorns and pegasus in another way she can activite the elmments of harmony without the main six but if you look to the other episodes there are like the main six and celestia night mare

@miriam oquendo mederos what you mean by "Celestia nightmare"?

well my theory is that the last one is celestia nightmare


When you realize Sunset is the only villain that relies on the Mane Six coming together to even start her plan:0

@Best Bacon Gaming <br>I like it when Rainbooms happens. It's better 😇

@Best Bacon Gaming
I like it when Rainbooms happens. It's better 😇

@Haxior <br>Don't worry, buddy, Discord♂, the Spirit🌠 of Chaos, turned good😇, because of pony🦄 Fluttershy♀(🦄 + 🐴🕊)💛's Kindness😇

@Haxior
Don't worry, buddy, Discord♂, the Spirit🌠 of Chaos, turned good😇, because of pony🦄 Fluttershy♀(🦄 + 🐴🕊)💛's Kindness😇

@bquncy <br>I hate👿 Tirek♂ as one of the Forces☠ of Evil💀. But don't worry, I like the good😇-hearted💛 Cozy Glow♀(🦄 + 🦄🌠🕊)[🛡♟💖 + 🛡🔴⚪🟣, ♟🟣, 💖](👩🏫😇💞)💖 better 😇. She's one of the Forces☠ of Goodness😇, she's a Member of the Cutie Mark Crusaders, she's part of the adventurous🧭 Mane 7, and she's the Spirit🌌 of the Element💎(👑) of Caring💖(😇)

@bquncy
I hate👿 Tirek♂ as one of the Forces☠ of Evil💀. But don't worry, I like the good😇-hearted💛 Cozy Glow♀(🦄 + 🦄🌠🕊)[🛡♟💖 + 🛡🔴⚪🟣, ♟🟣, 💖](👩🏫😇💞)💖 better 😇. She's one of the Forces☠ of Goodness😇, she's a Member of the Cutie Mark Crusaders, she's part of the adventurous🧭 Mane 7, and she's the Spirit🌌 of the Element💎(👑) of Caring💖(😇)

@Jennifer Smith
Midnight🌃🕛 Sparkle♀ is one of the Forces☠ of Evil💀. But don't worry, human👩 Twilight🌟 Sparkle♀ is one of the Forces☠ of Goodness😇.
Goodness😇 versus Evil😈

Have all of you guys even watched the episode that Sawtooth is talking about
Cutie Re Mark
If the villains have to rely on the Rainboom then how would the alternate timelines came to be
Do you think that the villains are so stupid that they don’t have any back up plans

Chrysaliss too cuz her plan relies on cadence and shining which would've never happened if twilight never got rain BOOMED which was because of rainbow and which is was caused the mane 6 to get there cutie mark and defeat queen chrysaliss in season 2

watch their recent video even chrislikis plan needed that kinda I guess any who do you think she would adapt who knows?

I gues that's why she was one of easy reformed villains, because she relays on friendship

@Gaby Boavv Oh, you mean Midnight Sparkle? From Equestria Girls?


I've got a pretty good idea about what caused the barren wasteland timeline.
 This is it -
We saw the everfree forest take over at the beginning of season 4, kidnapping Luna and Celestia in the process. All this happened due to the Tree of Harmony dying due to the absence of the elements. The Mane 6 restored the elements to the tree, bringing the forest under control.
But, in the alternate timeline, where the Rainboom never happened, the elements were still in their original forms at the Castle of the Two Sisters. So, as the Tree of Harmony died due to the absence of the elements, the forest took over, destroying Ponyville in the process. But, it didn't stop there. As it went farther, with no pony to stop it, it destroyed everything that stood in its path. Later, as time went on, the soil lost its fertility (as we see when dry sand gets blown away from Twilight's hoof in season 5. This usually happens when the soil is infertile and completely eroded), killing the remaining plants and weeds. And so, that's how Equestria was turned into a barren wasteland in the final timeline.
I have no idea whether this makes any sense but it does to me (I'm only 13).

Edit: Or maybe I'm just overthinking it.
Edit 2: omg thank you so much for the likes!

thats great idea! plz read mine (im only 9)

@D0RKY  thank you!!And great coincidence 🤣

@Akshitha's World oh wow I was only 5 days away! Happy 5 days late birthday then :D

@D0RKY  Gosh, yeah! It was actually 5 days ago. But still, thank you!

You posted this comment a year ago so happy birthday I guess :D

@{ѕσρнιє ℓєє} same

@{ѕσρнιє ℓєє} same

its posable but daybraker could have and would have burnd down the everfree forest but the everfree forest would atleast put up a fite and probly chock its enameas and banish the spiret of harmony to limbo or somthing.

Yours is a good idea. Mine is equally as disturbing. Nuclear warfare by the US government after they accidentally found the portal. Look throught history and tell me if there was any such thing as a peaceful first encounter. Hint: you'd be wasting your time trying to find one. It doesn't exist.

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That was my thought, too! The wasteland makes a lot of sense as the result of the Tree of Harmony dying + nopony around like the Main 6 who could embody the spirits of the elements and keep them alive.

The fact that there seems to be no structure or life left in that timeline at all, just barren emptiness, makes me think it had to have been caused by some kind of fundamental, undiscriminating, mindless force and not just your standard villain takeover. Unless it was multiple villains who started fighting amongst themselves and inadvertantly destroyed the world that way, but still ... Villains usually have a motive behind what they do -- power, conquest, revenge, etc. -- and can reason and make decisions like who to attack and who to spare. What would be the point of just wiping out everything? There'd be nopony to command, nopony to enslave, nopony to hurt, and no food or resources to sustain you, either. If you don't die yourself, you'd be the ruler of a dead world, and where's the fun in that?

@Annika Mangal, thank you for your kind words 😊.

Awesome that could have happened <br>And that isnt overthinking it’s creating theories

Awesome that could have happened
And that isnt overthinking it’s creating theories


Ok how about this: that empty wasteland of a timeline wasn’t caused by anyone in particular but it was caused by the absence of something. The absence of the elements of harmony and the main six. What if because they weren’t there, equestria gave up hope and disassembled due to something bad happening. Or a villain or two or many conquered it and then conquered each other out of anger or a hunger for power. Or because of something else. I want to leave it open to possibilities but I think that’s what happened. It was the absence of something and not the appearance of a new thing. I hope you like my theory!

@Unknown Person
Don't be ridiculous 😠!
With heros🦸♀ around, Goodness😇 always triumphs😤 over Evil💀 if it's the last thing I ever do 😡

@a person🐈⬛ interesting idea! The parasprites might be why everything is barren because they ate everything!

@pearlene grace I do agree with the fact that they gave up hope, but just because they gave up hope, does not mean they would vanish. There would be some trace of them left behind.

@Roxanne Wolf no not really. All of those timelines had different things that happened at different times. Meaning that in some of those timelines, even without the main Six, they were able to survive through some of the problems. So my theory is still plausible. I know it’s very generic and straight forward, but it also has a lot of possibilities which I like.

Equestria gave up hope is more possible since we saw what happened in Rainbow Roadtrip

Good one or... The pariprites made the las ending

@Amy Logan I like that theory as well! It makes a lot of sense too.

What if the tree of harmony was damaged due to the element of magic turning evil which either caused equestria to fall apart or let something free that was stopped from breaking out by the tree of harmony?

Yeah, that's pretty much why all these disasters happened.

Oh maybe due to there not being the 6th element that fulfills the power there was destruction because the villains were trying to look for that power and never got it it would have never existed leaving that gap and that gap wouldve played a major part in society and bc it wasnt there nothing was ever fulfilled nor of had peace in equestria leaving everywhere to be destroyed and destruction


For the Barren Wasteland: I think it could’ve been a timeline where Celestia snapped. She was tired being the high-and-mighty ruler. She was also mad at the ponies, because she had to protect them, which caused her to banish her sister to the moon. This initially broke Celestia, so...she lost her sanity. Becoming Daybreaker out of the hate and loss...she enslaved Equestria. Daybreaker decided to release Nightmare Moon, but soon saw she tried to take over, so...in a heartbreaking twist...Daybreaker kills Nightmare Moon. This causes her to lose her sanity even more, because she had to protect the ponies once again, so she had to kill her own sister, and she decided to punish the ponies and Equestria...by burning the land to the ground.

@Alethea Syna San Jose True. Although, I don’t think Daybreaker banishing Nightmare Moon again would’ve caused the land to be burned, so-to-speak. Still, it’s just a theory.

I've always wondered about Celestia having a darker side we've never seen.. I'm liking this theory a lot!


But there was no alternate future where the sirens weren’t defeated. There should’ve been that.

It makes sense. They were banished by Starswirl long before the sonic rainboom, so that wouldn't change. Without the sonic rainboom the mane 6 would never meet, there would be no crown for Sunset to steal, and no Equesetrian magic in the human world for Adagio to notice and come to Canterlot High. So every Equestria Girls villain wouldn't exist (as a villain) to be or not be defeated

The sirens only had that plan when the sunset was defeated and the rainbow lazer things

@Garth Davis The way I imagine it, Equestria would turn out very similar to the future from 'A Hearth's Warming Tail', since the windigos would feed off of the fighting that the sirens would cause.

@Jennifer Smith I meant in Equestria, where they weren’t banished.

When you say, the sirens were never defeated, do you mean in Rainbow Rocks or when Starswirl banished them? I might have some ideas either way.


Personally, I see the ashlands timeline as the ending where Celestia became Daybreaker.

Also cool that my demon Sunset vector was used as a thumbnail. :P

I also think that the last time line was daybreaker’s

Same, I imagine it like: Starlight never became Twilights Student so never helped Luna and Celestia fix their problems so in the end Celestia felt neglected and changed to Daybreaker

That actually makes sense. It would be too hot to do anything, and plants would die out. No plants, means ponies would starve, and ect.

Oh yeah that makes sense!! Because without night the land would overheat which would cause droughts and famines which would turn equestria into a wasteland

A timeline with daybreaker is an nice idea.


Something to remember: the season five finale happens in the same time frame of The Friendship Games where Sci-Twi becomes midnight sparkles and creates a rift through time

This may be the most likely reason that it’s the final timeline. The two realms probably collided.


“Tearing an irreparable hole between worlds”
Reminds me of someone...
hinting to Midnight Sparkle

“Tearing an irreparable hole between worlds”
Reminds me of someone...
*hinting to Midnight Sparkle*


I was thinking three things
(1) maybe Sunset decided to study the elements of Harmony (as Twilight did before she found them) in hopes of getting the element of magic to help her take over Equestria, and since Sunset used to be friends with the rest of the mane 6 in the human world (aka Fluttershy, Rainbow Dash, Apple Jack, Rarity, and Pinkie), and she probably would have put together the pieces and realized that they were the other elements (I mean Sunset is pretty smart), so she decided to stay friends with them in hopes of using them to help her get the elements of the future, basically using them to help her overthrow Equestria and causing that final time line
(2) I was also wondering if that final timeline might have been a result of shedemon human Twilight, I mean if the events of the first thing I said occurred but Sunset was stopped, then the magic might have gone back to the human world and the mane 6 would still have their magic, meaning shedemon Twilight could still take their magic at the games and cause those holes in between the human and pony world, possibly causing the holes to get so large making the worlds merge and then inevitable war, chaos, and destruction
(3) or the sirens got strong enough in the human world, somehow, and without anyone to stop them they were able to destroy Equestria

@Rebecca Paiotti Da Silva I think you're onto something. In "Shadow Play", we actually <i>see</i> the sirens causing ponies to fight, and we don't see any of the three tribes together, just earth ponies, making it likely that this is pre-equestria.

@Rebecca Paiotti Da Silva I think you're onto something. In "Shadow Play", we actually _see_ the sirens causing ponies to fight, and we don't see any of the three tribes together, just earth ponies, making it likely that this is pre-equestria.

@Jennifer Smith true! Wait so since before Equestria was founded all of the ponies would fight so the windigos came out does that possibly mean that before Equestria the ponies possibly lived in a state similar to that or exactly like that, like the if the sorens are what originally made the ponies fight with each other bringing about the windigos

@Rebecca Paiotti Da Silva I don't think the sirens and windigos would need to fight each other. After all, the sirens cause fighting and the windigos feed off of it. It's a self sustaining cycle. I think they just co-exist. Not enemies, not friends.

@Rebecca Paiotti Da Silva I don't think the sirens and windigos would need to fight each other. After all, the sirens _cause_ fighting and the windigos _feed_ off of it. It's a self sustaining cycle. I think they just co-exist. Not enemies, not friends.

@Jennifer Smith ooo the windigos coming back would make a lot of sense!!! But now I’m wondering that if the windigos did come back and they were also feeding off of the ponies hatred would that cause some sort of fight in between the windigos and the sirens or no since the sirens would feed off of making the ponies hate each other and then the windigos would feed off of the hate that the ponies create, kinda like a food chain

@Rebecca Paiotti Da Silva You actually make a valid point. I never thought of the ponies destroying Equestria, but it's possible. Maybe the windigos could have something to do with it, since they feed on hatred.

I love discussing this stuff too, hence why I watch theory channels like this so much.

@Rebecca Paiotti Da Silva You actually make a valid point. I never thought of the _ponies_ destroying Equestria, but it's possible. Maybe the windigos could have something to do with it, since they feed on hatred.

I love discussing this stuff too, hence why I watch theory channels like this so much.

@Marlhy Murphy true true! although, and my memory is a bit foggy so I might be wrong, but wasn't Sunset Celestia's student before Twilight but Sunset wanted more so she turned cruel and dishonest causing Celestia to like punish Sunset by putting her in the human world or something? Once again I don't remember exactly what it was so I could be entirely wrong

@Jennifer Smith Very valid point that I don't believe I thought of before. And although I don't entirely remember what was going through my mind at the time I believe that I was referring to how the sirens made everyone fight with each other so the ponies themselves would be the ones destroying Equestria, not the Sirens themselves. There is most likely holes in this thought tho so please correct me in any way possible or tell me some of your thoughts, I love discussing these things

@Kirk Lundberg It's possible, but I don't think it would be intentional.

If they did destroy Equestria, there would be no one left to adore them.

@Jennifer Smith Did they? Or would they have ended like tirex?

The sirens wanted to <i>rule</i> Equestria, so why would they destroy it?

The sirens wanted to _rule_ Equestria, so why would they destroy it?

Or sunset became a diplomat to the zebra lands but she wasn't a good diplomat and ended up starting a war with the zebras, only to lead to a nuclear fallout. She was in Camelot when the pink cloud began and she made it into the ministry of image only to be killed by the shadowsprites.

The first one is very interesting but we know Sunset became evil because she was envious of Twilight


Idea. What if that final timeline was actually...... DAYBREAKER?

In the comics, Nightmare Moon found some tribes

@dog in a box has i good point but it is and interesting idea

@Beetriceretops but nightmare moon didn’t die when she was on the moon. I doubt there’s food up there.

And the land burned because of the sun so the land was so barren and daybreaker died after there was nothing to eat.


I think the seventh timeline could’ve been the result of Cozy Glow. Her plan was to destroy all magic in equestria, but magic is basically what holds equestria together.

but cosy glow only learnt about friendship because of the mane 6


Your theory on sunset not succeeding brings up a good point but I think the last timeline that starlight created with the barren wasteland is quite ambiguous, it could be any other villain apart from the ones we have alr seen like maybe cozy since she would steal all the magic and completely breaking down every thing in EQ, could be daybreaker since she wouldn’t let the sun go down and would just burn everything and everyone into a crisp, or the storm king succeeded in enslaving EQ and took all the magical Essence in EQ hence the barren wasteland and just moved on or it could even be all the villains in that faced each other only to destroy each other by themselves or even the windigos , there are too many possibilities for this one, so it’s hard to say who won in that timeline ( idk bout starlight and teh pony of shadows tho)
If sunset was the victor (my take on this  sry if it’s too Long I usually write Long thoughts)
If sunset rlly did succeed in this timeline she definitely must have done something diff to achieve her motives apart from needing the element of magic , I mean canterlot high’s trip to camp everfree isn’t too far away as well and yes I’m saying she could have just found out the EQ geodes exists and with such malicious intent I wouldn’t be surprised if she beat gloriosa ( can’t remember how to spell her name lmao) when it comes to those geodes and these geodes are basically the elements of harmony except instead of only having one of them , sunset has a full SET(set lol )of them which could possibly grant her more power than she had in the first movie.  She would definitely be more than capable of taking on EQ regardless of wether she had an army or not. The key to sunset’s victory is camp everfree since it wasnt affected by twilight at all regardless of which timeline it was so sunset would have found the geodes sooner or later , sawtooth pointed out that sunset could not have gotten a victory but I think otherwise I think he forgot the geodes which is the definite factor in her success imo, we know that sunset is not an idiot she is shown to be smart manipulative and Creative and she isn’t weak by any stretch so who knows she could have taken advantage of the tension between gloriosa and filthy rich and just took teh geodes to dominate her region and then finally try to take over EQ with immense, the alicorns would definitely meet their match especially since star swirl and the pillars are not around and discord hasn’t been reformed . The mane six would not be here and shiny armour would be the only other one who could stand up to demon sunset. If she did succeed then she would have done teh same thing that daybreaker would hypothetically do and drive EQ into a barren waste land and go to new worlds to conquer as some other ppl have theorised chances of this happening could be somewhat high since teh geodes would fall into sunset’s hands anyway ,so that’s what I think could have happened with a victorious sunset time line , the geodes form camp everfree are the key.

@jane 4 maybe you’re right idk I brought up the geodes only becuz they are kind of like the elements of harmony so I would magic they would be on the same lvl . Idk if the geodes rlly got their magic from the statue, I don’t think it’s confirmed yet. I always assumed that the geodes were always there and was just protected by some magic since sunset said” where did the magic that hid this save come from” so I thought the geodes were alr there. And the magic thing we saw at the end was just for some other stuff. Yea the friendship games is rlly the only hole in my theory, and the ending scene for legend of everfree was rlly confusing.

I don’t think, she could have gotten the geodes. Yeah she is extremely smart, but to me it seemed like the geodes only existed because of the holt between human and pony world. If I remember correctly, after Friendship games there was a hole at  the portal by the destroyed wondercolt statue. In my mind the geodes got there power because of that lacking magic from equestria. And I also think the friendship games wouldn’t have gone like this if Sunset wouldn’t have brought the crown in. She must have brought equestrian magic in the human world so the human mane 6 could have the magic to be stolen by Twilight. I think the only thing from the human world that got over to equestria and could have destroyed it are the sirens. But I don’t think they would have had enough power without equestrian magic to do equestria much damage.


I would say out of all the doomed timelines, the one with the least casualties would likely be Discord's, he seems more like someone who just wants to have fun in a chaotic fashion, and without Fluttershy to persuade him into being one of the protagonists, he would just be focused on his own amusement though I highly doubt he would cause anyone's death, at least not purposefully. Nightmare Moon, according to the legend of Nightmare Night, would devour others if not given proper tribute and respect. she wouldn't cause as many deaths as Chrysalis, Tirek, nor Sunset, but would still have a higher death toll then Discord.


That last timeline kinda reminds me of how the land looks after it has been burned down. So when I saw it for the first time, the first thing I thought was Day Breaker. Maybe that's a timeline where instead of Luna turning into Nightmare Moon, it was Celestia who did and since Celestia can be considered stronger than Luna, no one would be there to stop her with the Main Six gone.


Hasbro: Makes a show for little girls
The show: Haha death and timelines go brrrr

Hasbro: *Makes a show for little girls*
The show: Haha death and timelines go brrrr

MLP ain't gendered anymore

Edit: or I guess, has an age limit anymore.

Someone/somepony developed a atomic bomb. (sarcasm)

@Sweet_Demonic_ Dreams i’m sorry? can men not like a show. a show has no gender. anyone can like it. that’s like saying a little girl cannot like pokemon cause most of the main characters are men. - coming from a transgender boy (who likes mlp)

Wait so only girls can watch any show with animated ponies?

I am like ten and I’ve been watching it since I was 5

Well not only for little girls because my mom simply ADORES my little pony and I do as well

@ISABELLE DYER you are still a child and so am i

little girls? boys can like this show too :/

@yourpathetic =) / bright! that's my point :D

@ISABELLE DYER we don't really care how old you are, I'm just saying the show was mad for little girls. But then the bronies appeared and now all genders all ages watch mlp
It's not about age... It's about ponies
:D

I love my Little pony and I'm not little

@neptunes Honestly Mlp is so cool, even thought im older now i love to rewatch the show, its part of my childhood. Its sad that it has come to an end

@Abhijnan Mukherjee it's so famous now, I don't know if their trying to make among us videos because it's so new to me.

2:25 I think that unknown timeline might have been Starlight’s timeline. How? I’ll explained it.
Since the mane six never came together, there wouldn’t be any barriers for Starlight’s cutie mark philosophy back when she ruled that village. Her plan was to make all of Equestria give up their cutie mark, and she could’ve spread to other areas of Equestria. She could’ve cast a spell to her village in order to help her take over one area. After that, she would unite all those who lost their cutie mark as part of her army. It kept getting larger.

With the staff of sameness, she could’ve secretly have took away the princesses’ cutie marks, and probably used all of the cutie marks she got to make herself powerful and stronger. Without anyone stopping her, she would’ve caused even more damage to everyone and maybe even got to a fight with Celestia and Luna, and since she’s good with magic, she would’ve caused a lot of destruction. And eventually defeating them. With all that power, she would probably destroy Equestria by going crazy about her past or something. And leading up to a wasteland.

@neptunes hey, is your name Maia? Me too!😂💖🌌🌸🌹

@neptunes well yes but the target demographic was for little girls


I know what caused the mystery timeline. I think it was Cozy,Tirek,Chrysalis.

I don’t think this is correct. After nightmare moon broke free, due to the lack of the element of harmony she took over and soon made tensions from the ponies rise. This would have brought back discord and he would have just made the world into his playground again. Without the presence of the main 6, he wouldn’t have any reason to trial them and bring all of the villains together in the first place. Due to the fact that the mean 3 wouldn’t have even existed without discord’s need to help the main 6, this theory is improbable.

@ur mom  but they could have gotten together sometime in the process of the timelines, Celestia was still around in the episode where the nightmare moon timeline was, but she could have been dead in that timeline for all we know

when that was released (the episode we saw the timelines) cozy tirek and chrysalis were not even together


I think the last time line was almost every villain. Each villain would want to take over and would succeed with the main six gone, but with them gone all the villains wouldn’t team up but instead fight for control over the world leading to destruction


I don't know what would have happened with Sunset, but I think the last possible future might have been one when all the villains tried to rule Equestria by themselves and the might have destroyed each other trying, leaving Equestria without any living creature around (just a theory) 😄


Fun question: There was a Night Mare Moon scen, but Selectia defeted her the first time, so why didn’t she do it again the second time

I mean she returned a 1000 years later and celestia was seemingly gone

I lost brain cells trying to read this comment

Because Nightmare Moon banished Celestia to the moon.


It couldn’t have been sunset because if the mane six didn’t meet they wouldn’t find the elements she could only use the five elements which I doubt would give her as much power as the element of magic but think who spreads chaos (drumroll)discord without the man in six to reform him and maybe celestia and Luna couldn’t stop him