What if that desolate future wasn't the result of Sunset's victory, but rather her FAILURE?

For starters, without Twilight's interference, the human versions of the mane 6 (minus Twilight) would still have been broken up by Sunset's meddling, and would not have become friends again because there was no Twilight to bring them back together.

Sunset wouldn't have had the Element Of Magic to win during the Fall Formal, but considering she'd won the previous 3 years, I imagine she'd go to win it a 4th time, even without the added bonus of the Element of Magic.  However, without the Element, there'd be no big fight, no pony-up, and no character growth for Sunset.

However, after this the sirens would still come to Canterlot High and gain power from the negative emotions.  And without their magic, the element bearers and Sunset would be just as vulnerable.  The sirens would easily take over the school.

Sunset would be completely powerless to stop them, and they'd continue on their path to conquest the whole of the human world.

However, human Twilight may still have a chance.  She might still develop her magical device, and with the sirens completely in control of Canterlot High by now, they'd plan to take over Crystal Prep using the negative emotions caused by the fierce competition in the friendship games - really the perfect opportunity for them to do so.  Having complete control of the school, they can rig the competitions in their favor, and feed off the anger and frustration.

With he tensions so high, Principal Cinch of Crystal Prep would be more than willing once again to have Twilight compete on their behalf.

With all the magic in Canterlot High drained by the sirens, and the portal not having been deactivated by the book, Twilight's device would lead her to only one place - the sirens.

The device might only take one of their magic first, but after feasting on the whole school, it's quite a bit, causing a rift to open up immediately.  The remaining sirens flee and the competition continues.

They get more powerful as Crystal Prep is already so competitive, it hardly takes any magic to wind them up further.  Twilight's device absorbs more magic as the sirens absorb it from Crystal Prep.

Principal Cinch is rabid already and pressures Twilight into using the magic from her device, which is practically bursting from the siren's bloated magic.

She assumes her Midnight Sparkle form and begins opening portals to Equestria, to get at the magic within.

And with no one to stop her, save perhaps the last siren, she likely succeeds.

But destroying the barrier between the worlds doesn't just give her access to it, it destroys it.  Imagine the kind of damage caused by the barrier between two alternate realities suddenly disappearing.  It would be devastating.  Nothing left of either world.

Maybe THAT'S the future we saw...

Remember that Friendship Games place during / right BEFORE the Starlight Glimmer time travel adventure.  Because immediately after the movie ends, Equestria Twilight arrives and apologizes for her absence as she had been stuck in a crazy time loop.  The movie was originally supposed to air immediately after that episode, but I think they wound up releasing it like a week before?  I can't remember exactly when.

(Mind you, I have my own headcanon about that wasteland future.  I like to think of it as the Fallout Equestria future, but this isn't an entirely unlikely scenerio either.)


In order for this time line to have happend, starlight would have to go back in time but not all the way to the rainboom, instead, she would have to do the following
A: prevent the eqg main six from going to chanterlot high
B: sabatoge the guards for that night shift when the crown was stolen
C:prevent twilight from having anyway to be proven innocent
The reason behind her even doing this could be apart of a plan
A:have the crown stolen from twilight
B: have it taken to the human world
C:steal it from sunset and use it to transform her self
D:use that to rule or destroy equsteria

Now has for sunset achivng her goal another way without the human world, the awnser is a little more complicated, see, she would have to steal all the elements of harmony, that would be difficult, so she would have to wait for the events of an adventure that would see twilight and the others leaving ponyville, then she steal the elements and use them to turn her self into day dream shimmer. Why not just use sci twi's magic battery thing? Well not only would that take a while but that would also involve going to the human world, even if she did, it would have been a bit harder considering by the time sci twi would have come back, the portals  connection would be broken by then, which has seen in friendship game wouldn't be a problem. But remember the Dazzlings? That would also require twilight coming back to prevent an enslave ment forcing sunsets plan to cease. And with sunset being the only one who knows how magic works... Well that wouldn't work very well now would it? Even then, starlight would still have to have tried to destroy equsteria, so it's very likely that in one of the time lines they're would be a war

In conclusion, we didn't see a sunset time line because starlight only knew of the human world because twilight told her about it, has her teacher.


Someone once suggested that barren timeline could've been Starlight's. She was so fixated on everyone being the same that she wouldn't value all the differences that keep Equestria running properly. Even unicorns, pegasi, and Earth ponies are different, and those differences are needed for weather, farming, moving celestial bodies, etc. The empty realm of dust is what could happen if she really flew off the handle and took over all of Equestria.


You make a good point, but in the alternate universes, there are still many other magical items that could enhance Sunset's magical power. I mean, there's magic that turned Cozy Glow into an Alicorn. This is a long stretch, but hear me out. In the alternate Universe starring Sunset, she would need a new reason to become evil, as she wouldn't have envy for twilight, because twilight never succeeded. Say, in the future, Sunset is Celestia's student. Her best student. Her magic power is powerful, and she's mastered almost every known magic. She decides she wants to learn more powerful magic. Such as how powerful Alicorn magic is. She confronts Celestia, asking if there was any way to turn a normal pony into an Alicorn. Celestia avoids the question, but Sunset's nagging won't stop. Celestia gets angry and sends Sunset to study. Afterwards, Celestia talks to her sister, worried that Sunset is growing greedy. While they are talking, Sunset is listening. Sunset grows angry, thinking her mentor doesn't trust her, even though she's studied hard. And right before she confronts them, they go somewhere Sunset never knew existed. A vault filled with magical items and forbidden spells. Sunset,even angrier her mentor would hide such power, plots to suck the magic out of the items and memorize the spells. She would become stronger than Celestia could imagine, and with her new magic try and overthrow Celestia. She would Succeed. She would take the spell that put Nightmare Moon in the moon for 1000 years, and enhance it to last for generations. She would banish Luna to the Moon, and Celestia to the sun. She'd enslave the ponies of equestria, but after years she's struggling. The magic she took was getting too hard to control. She tried to cast a spell to help, but ended up releasing all the dark magic, wiping the lands to baren...

EDIT: The secret room hiding magical items isn't made up. The hidden room in the Library held many items for the Ruler Sisters eyes only. Luna and Celestia have shown Twilight before, so that's how we can confirm it's existence.


I think this wasteland future was due to Tirek's doing, just a little later than the one shown before. I mean he took magic from all the ponies, pegasuses have lost the control over the weather which caused the drastic climate change, and from earth ponies, who was taking care of the plants and land in general.


Here’s an idea: Sunset Shimmer stayed as Celestias star pupil, and made friends with an alternative mane 6 (or even the same but without twilight) and the prophecy came true. But some of Lunas hate, envy, etc passed on to Sunset. Over the years it consumed her until she used the element of magic for her own gain, and ran away to grow a large army of humans to take through the portal. Sunset Shimmer comes back 100 moons later, she comes back and takes over equestria, destroying everything into a barren wasteland until nothing is left. Not even herself.. or she conquered other lands and repeated the cycle!

Which would cause the current state of the 7th timeline!


I wonder if the whole "zombie-student" thing was to be partially some sort of "Human/pony-shield/ wall-of-flesh" tactic. They where innocent after all, and Celestia might not be so quick to get a "lethal force" military attack on them. Then there is if they could break the mind-control/brainwashing, what would happen to the students then? The portal was only open at set times at first. Would they become a strain on resources if Sunset somehow kept sending more and more mind-control slaves to attack Equestria, basically trying to zerg the nation?<br>Just a thought.

I wonder if the whole "zombie-student" thing was to be partially some sort of "Human/pony-shield/ wall-of-flesh" tactic. They where innocent after all, and Celestia might not be so quick to get a "lethal force" military attack on them. Then there is if they could break the mind-control/brainwashing, what would happen to the students then? The portal was only open at set times at first. Would they become a strain on resources if Sunset somehow kept sending more and more mind-control slaves to attack Equestria, basically trying to zerg the nation?
Just a thought.


My question is was Twilight even still loyal to the princess, think about it, we never saw a alternate Twilight either. What if all those time lines she influenced, what if she was so ashamed of not being able to go to the school, that she basically became a villain her self. That barren wasteland could have just been ponyvill, and somewhere else she is ruling with an iron fist. But that you also left out one thing, we never saw a timeline of the Storm King either.


How about we expand upon this.
The Dazzlings/Sirens were sent to the human world long ago by Starswirl and the Pillars.
Now granted, they were pushed into action by witnessing the power of Equestrian Magic at the end of the first movie, however they still had their powers and abilities.

Now what if the Dazzlings were able to get a foothold in the human world? Sunset Shimmer already had a rift that split apart Rarity, AJ, Rainbow, Flutters and Pinkie, and while Sunset Shimmer was fairly manipulative, she didn't have that much in terms of real power.

The portal to Equestria was only active during certain times of the year, and wasn't fully opened until Twilight found a way to do so using the book.

And the sirens would be able to grow their power in that world. It was Twilight, Sunset and the rest that put a stop to them and removed their power, but without Twilight and the traces of Equestrian Magic, the Sirens would be able to rampage across the world if they desired, and there wouldn't be anyone to stop them.

Now what if, they do learn of the portal at Canterlot High. They would be able to bide their time until the portal opened once again, growing their power and they would be the ones creating an army.

Sunset MIGHT be able to warn Celestia of the attack, however I don't believe that she would, not unless she somehow had a change of heart somehow.


My theory: The Wasteland is the result of the mane six failing to defeat all of the villains. The villains soon found no reason to stay there since it was, well, empty. That's why nobody was there when Starlight and Twilight went there.


I honestly think the final timeline showed the Equestrian wasteland from Fallout: Equestria. There’s nothing to disprove this, even if Fallout: Equestria is a fanfiction, and not actually canon.


So I have a theory

In season 5 Starlight unleashed a multiverse BEFORE she met sunset. Starlight would have known the other villans through tales or news papers which means she had no idea the sunset even existed. The mane six and the princesses must have kept the mission to the human world a secret. Because if they reveled there was a human world why would the other villans stick to equestria if they knew there was another world with magic. That is why I think starlight did not make a timeline of sunset because she never knew of the human world or its magic until she met sunset after she was reformed


Although the equestrian mane 6 never met, the EG main 6 (besides glasses twilight) did. Sunset could have easily manipulated them to force the sixth element to appear. Sunset was smart and knew equestrian magic. I feel like she'd be able to figure it out by taking the book from Princess Celestia's library. She would find she needed 5 friends, one of each element. She would go back to the school and observe students who best fit that prophecy. As we know, the 5 EG girls were friends before sunset ruined it in the main timeline. Maybe instead she'd use her manipulation tactics to trick the five to go to Equestria and receive the powerful amulet. However, as a comment before me brought up a point that she had no motive since Twilight was not a princess, so maybe she wouldn't even bother taking over the school or Equestria in general.


If somehow Twilight haven't found the Elements (nor the Mane 5) Celestia would make it through but some villains would still be alive. Nightmare Moon could easily be beaten by Celestia and Sombra maybe, but what about Tirak and Discord? I don't think Celestia would make it because:
1. She would be the only alicorn (maybe Cadence too) because Luna would be, again, banned in the moon and Twilight wouldn't have discovered Friendship.
2. She can't use all of the Elements' power.
So some villains would escape and they would probably work with Sunset to completely destroy Equestria and rule their own. Now about who would win between the villains I don't know but it would be interesting and probably long lasting, creating a timeline where most of the lands are destroyed (aka the timeline where we don't have a clue about how it came that way) and the only beings that would "matter" would be the villains and their kingdoms.

I don't think Celestia can beat NMM due to how she is all amped up.
And was able to send Celestia to the moon without the Elements despite Celestia needed them to do the same to NMM.  NMM might beat Sombra too due to his anti-magic crystals most likely won't work on dark magic.
Since Nightmare Moon managed to ruled for a few years, she must have been able to deal with Sombra, Tirek, Discord and Chrysalis.


I don't think Sunset would have discovered the elements at all.
If the Mane 6 hadn't found together, the elements weren't revealed and Nightmare Moon wasn't defeated.
That brings me to the point: The alternative timelines of Nightmare Moon and Sunset Shimmer are one.
Parallel storys without connection.
Pony Twilight Sparkle would never have met Sunset Shimmer, so it can't be mentioned.


At some point, all the villains escaped and caused chaos and destruction to the point where everyONE and what was left of the alicorn species had to evacuate the planet, leaving a deathworld.<br>Then everyone else died

At some point, all the villains escaped and caused chaos and destruction to the point where everyONE and what was left of the alicorn species had to evacuate the planet, leaving a deathworld.
Then everyone else died


I think that’s a great theory and if that did happen and the elements were never found and sunset didn’t rule there’s still a question what was that wasteland timeline lots of things could have happened I was thinking cozy glow but would she really be evil if she didnkt know that friendship was power?


Sci-Twi wanted to understand magic and created little rifts of Equestria, and that didn't seem to dependent on the elements of harmony being discovered.


Maybe Sunset wasn't mentioned in the different timelines because of either 2 things:

1: Maybe there was the possibility of Sunsets Demon form in Equestria, we just didn't see it yet.

2: Maybe its because shes in the human World. Maybe Twilight hasn't even met Sunset in order to have her be bazoodled into that demon, who was quote on quote stealing Twilights crown, because she hasn't even met.


lol when you said why didn’t we see sunset’s reality i thought about it and came to the conclusion that it was because she couldn’t get the element of twilight never became it and when you came to that similar conclusion i was shocked 😮


'Aight boys, Sawtooth asked for a theory about how the "Grey World" appeared, so here we go.

The video listed six villains, corresponding to the other six timelines:
- King Sombra
- Queen Chrysalis
- Nightmare Moon
- Tirek
- Discord
- The Flim-Flam Brothers

Now this is where the theory (or actually, theories, with an "s") really goes "haywire" (pun not intended... okay a little bit intended), so let's buckle up.
To start off, let's analyze all of the futures with crude summaries. In each future, there only appears a single villain, and the members of the Mane Six seem to be occupied with combating said villains. We never see multiple villains in one timeline. Let's assume that Equestria either falls to the single villain or somehow manages to defeat them and survive.
Who's to say that the timelines aren't the same timeline? Aside from the Tirek or the Flim-Flam Brother timelines where the land is being destroyed by said villains, multiple villains coming in one after the other was defeated could eventually wear away at Equestria and leave it destroyed, with nothing left to invade. It's also possible that multiple villains attacked Equestria at once in the "Grey Timeline", causing Equestria's destruction that way.

But let's not stop there.
What if in one of the timelines, Tirek is defeated by a group who learned the Magic of Friendship? Remember, we saw no past to the Grey Timeline, so anything could've happened. What if Tirek was defeated by an alternate Mane Six (or Five... or whatever number you prefer. Mane 72, anyone?), and the citizens of Equestria saw?
What if a certain pink-coated, blue-haired, freckled pegasus saw the Power of Friendship?

Yes, I'm suggesting that the Grey Timeline is the result of none other than Cozy Glow. Stay with me here a sec and lemme explain.
In the canonical timeline, Cozy Glow saw and learned of the Power of Friendship. She desired to become the most powerful pony in all of Equestria through means of Friendship. She then contacted Tirek and learned how to drain all of the magic from Equestria. But why?
The answer is that Cozy Glow didn't just needed a plan; she needed a plan that would 100% WORK. Friendship is Magic. We know this. But Magic comes in many other forms as well. That's why she needed to delete the rest of Equestria's Magic: So that she could be the sole possessor of magic (in the form of Friendship), and by default, the most powerful pony in Equestria.

What if in the Grey Timeline, Cozy Glow managed to succeed in draining all of the magic in Equestria? Without magic, the Earth Ponies could not tend the land. Without strong, rich land for plants to grow, there's no food in Equestria. Without food from the Earth Ponies to support the Unicorn and Pegasi, well... You can see where this is going.
Cozy's plan would've horribly backfired. There would be no earth, no grass, no flora. There would be no fauna. There would be no way to control the dusty, stormy weather. There would be no magic.

There would be nothing.

And that is what the Grey Timeline was.

Nothing.


@1:40 That timeline is from Grogar not Sunset Shimmer. Back in season 9 when Tirek said "Grogar is ancient and extremely powerful", then when he returned Celestia and Luna goes fight with him and eventually ended up with that place.

That is my theory on that timeline.


you know who would be good at helping the others reform Tirek? his brother Scorpan because in season 4 we learned that Scorpan both became Reformed and friends with the ponies


I like to think the completely barren future is caused by Daybreaker! It seems like everything was burned down to a crisp!


I think sunset may have discovered friendship but then used the elements of harmony after obtaining theam in a bad way. Which may have caused the waste land timeline. Idk if that makes sence.


omg when you said why didn’t we see sunset’s reality i literally immediately came to this conclusion if she couldn’t get the element of twilight didn’t become it. I was shocked when u said basically what i thought 👀😶


You came to the same conclusion I did. But here another question that would make a good video. What happened to Sunset after graduation. I sure you heard about the cut scene for The Last Problem.


Here is my theory  : Ι think that the last timeline i mean the final future of equestria (where was nothing ) was a result of the othere timelines that Starlight Glimmer created  and Sunset didn't have to do with this at all because 1) She lives in another world and 2) If Twilight hadn't descover the magic of friendship and her element Sunset wouldn't be able to succed .


Haven't watched the video yet past "why haven't we seen a Sunset Shimmer timeline?" but I am attempting to answer this question without watching the video. It is because: Her. Plan. Sucked. It is because she attempted to take over Equestria with her teenage zombies, but not only will they be against Celestia one of the most powerful characters (and possibly even Luna), but they wouldn't even be able to walk very well transitioning from human to pony, much less able to fight back. Okay obviously this is the joke answer, but I wanted to comment it anyways.


My question is: why don't we see Twilight or Spike in the alternatives time lines?
We see the adventure of Twilight against Starlight, but we don't get to see the Twilight and Spike resultive from the other time lines.
I hope you understood what I wanted to say... Sorry for this crashed English.


Alright, lets say that perhaps sunset found OTHER elements, not the elements of harmony, but something darker, stronger, this could be a result of that, she found something better, faster, stronger, ETC. what would it be? I have no idea, just a potential answer. Either that or that final timeline was a result of ALL SIX other timelines coming to pass, Nightmare moon wins, the twins build an empire, chrysalis and her changelings attack, King Sombra returns, then Discord breaks free, followed by Tyrek escaping, or however you want to order that, and the seventh timeline is the result of all that destruction, after all, in the other timelines someone had to've stopped the villain's, so the Mane 6 would've been replaced by someone else, so this seventh timeline is just if no-one replaced them, that's my personal head-cannon anyway.


I think the final timeline was when Starlight won. Think about it. If she won then even the princesses would've lost there Mark's and without the ability to move the sun and moon maybe they just, disappeared, when the vanished it maybe dispersed into millions of rocks which fell down and hit the world causing major shockwaves that shook the world and took thousands of live. Ti make matters even worse when the sun vanished it didn't just fizzle out. When a sun dies many things can happen. But for a sun charged with so much magic from thousands of years only one thing would happen. A supernova the likes of which no one had seen. Resulting in the total annihilation of everyone in the world. All because Starlight took Celestia and Luna's marks. I know it's a adakr theory, but it's still possible.


I believe it was Starlight glimmer. All previous villains that had the power to do destruction, was shown with the exception of Starlight glimmer, Sunset Shimmer, and the corrupted tree of Harmony. The corrupted tree of Harmony grows tentacles, so if it were the tree of Harmony we would have saw tentacles. I'm rolling out Sunset Shimmer actually for what's outside the show. If this was your only episode you watched, if it was Sunset Shimmer, it would make no sense. There's enough exposition from Twilight to get the gist of the other villains. Notice how she says something along the lines up we stopped them for any timeline we spend a significant amount of time in. The Only Exception being the Nightmare Moon timeline, and even then Twilight acts confused, it's new to her the same way it's new to the audience. The reason why Twilight Recaps is to catch anybody up to speed. Why wasn't it there a recap in the barren Wasteland, if it's important for the rest of the timelines? Why would you break that trend? Well there's no need for recap. Why? because we watched this character for the entire episode. So Sunset Shimmer wouldn't make enough sense outside the show, so I believe it's Starlight glimmer. It makes sense to anybody who hasn't watched the show. Plus, I don't know if Equestria Girls is Canon. We know the flash century is Canon, but not Equestria Girls. The same way that the Mane 6 have counterparts in Equestria Girls, is the same way that Flash Century exist in the Pony world. It doesn't matter too much if one doesn't exist. In this case, it means that flash century counterpart wouldn't exist.


Wait but what if Sunset never abandoned her studies and learned more about friendship and became the princess instead? Would Sunset replace twilight? Would she have gotten a different cutie mark? This is interesting! Would she have the same friends as twilight? Would the elements be different?


Actually I have a theory! What if during the battle in the human world, Sunset was able to defeat the main six and was able to go through the portal and destroy the Crystal Empire army and the rest of Equestria, and since everyone didn’t respect her, she destroyed the world in the resulting that timeline which nothing was there or simply took of the ponies to the human world and made them her slaves.


I don’t think Sunset Shimmer plan was to take over equestria with a bunch of zombie high school students I remember watching equestria girls and getting confused why Sunset would resort to that plan, because it didn’t make sense for someone who was very intelligent, very resources and very independent, To resort to that plan.

So here’s what I think what happened, Sunset up till she took the crown was actually winning. Sunset knew what would have happened when you take an element to an alternative world. We don’t get to hear the answer but we know that Sunset knows the answer. Since Sunset isn’t the element of magic, I don’t think she ever thought that it wouldn’t have worked. I assume she thought it would enhance her magic abilities, since at the time Sunset had a huge ego. But the crown corrupted her, if you notice her transforming into the demon, she had tears flowing down her cheeks. The corrupted results of the magic, definitely clouded her judgment and thus she made up a crazy plan that involved teenage zombies.


Excellent theory,<br>Though... maybe sunset didn’t start that timeline, I know this is going to far but... maybe it was twilight, because when starlight stopped the rainboom twilight didn’t pass her test, so maybe she was mad or something, maybe celestia did something to twilight and twilight as we know, is very good at magic, tries to take over? I don’t know I’m terrible at theory’s, anyvay good job with the video👍🏻

Excellent theory,
Though... maybe sunset didn’t start that timeline, I know this is going to far but... maybe it was twilight, because when starlight stopped the rainboom twilight didn’t pass her test, so maybe she was mad or something, maybe celestia did something to twilight and twilight as we know, is very good at magic, tries to take over? I don’t know I’m terrible at theory’s, anyvay good job with the video👍🏻


Ok,hear me out,celestia knew the other world was existing,what if she already got there and meet the principal celestia like twilight and sci-twi and both of them keep in touch with each other(in some way similar to the books)and that's why in the 1st movie principal celestia wasn't so curious about twilight as luna was,she knew she was meant to be there,and here comes my point,on the other timelines the answer would be really simple,celestia warns the emergency to her other self,who comes to the other world with 5 of her students,(the human mane 5) to get the elements while princess celestia gets sci-twi so they could save equestria


“They wouldn’t stand a chance.” <br>Well, they would/could stand a chance since Sunset Shimmer would come along with the “zombies” which, there, would probably be as powerful, if not more, as the princesses. They and she could easily beat the guards.

“They wouldn’t stand a chance.”
Well, they would/could stand a chance since Sunset Shimmer would come along with the “zombies” which, there, would probably be as powerful, if not more, as the princesses. They and she could easily beat the guards.

@Hannah Ringer

I’m saying that if the zombies don’t have magic, Sunset DOES, so she could defeat em and gain her zombies back


So if Twilight never got her cutie mark from the rain boom, wouldn’t that mean that she wouldn’t be Celestia’s student? So if she never became Celestia’s student, Sunset wouldn’t have even ran away to the other realm.


Celestia.
Watching her lend being atacked over and over again, without sister, without friends, who died in the endless battle..
Daybreaker was her last hope, but this form took away her mind and she lost controll, just like Luna 1000 years ago.
With no good alicorn rooler, there is no Equestria.

Софія-Валерія Васильченко


I don't know why but I always believed that the last timeline with the wasteland was created by daybreaker.


That barren world could've been a day breaker world? It was burnt and dry with a red sky. A fire-powered sun goddess might have been responsible? Just spitballing. I don't know what would've led celestia to that outcome.


I think Sunset would be part of an alternate timeline, just not in Equestria. When Starlight stopped Rainbow's sonic rainboom, it caused the Mane 6 to lose their cutie mark connection. Thus, the Mane 6 never came together to bear the Elements.  The Elements of Harmony would just be lost in the old castle, and Equestria would crumble. Sunset would probably stay in the human world <b>dividing</b> the Mane 6 - just like Starlight did with the sonic rainboom. The only question is that how would all of this effect the human world?🤔

I think Sunset would be part of an alternate timeline, just not in Equestria. When Starlight stopped Rainbow's sonic rainboom, it caused the Mane 6 to lose their cutie mark connection. Thus, the Mane 6 never came together to bear the Elements.  The Elements of Harmony would just be lost in the old castle, and Equestria would crumble. Sunset would probably stay in the human world *dividing* the Mane 6 - just like Starlight did with the sonic rainboom. The only question is that how would all of this effect the human world?🤔


It couldn't have happened because Twilight wouldn't have the element of harmony in the first place. So how would Sunset actually get it. I mean, she could've thought that it was just an old mares tale an never would've gone looking for the elements. I mean, what is to say that she would even return to equestria after Nightmare Moon, King Sombra, Discord, and many other villians.


i just want to say, that the timline looks a lot like the future of the tales of chirmass past ( or the pony rip off)


Well my answer to this is... Would sunset still have been banished in all those timelines? I know that happened before Celestia took on twilight. But what if the collapse of magic maybe took her back? For that matter why did it take so long for sunset to get the crown of she could always come back to equestria why didn't she and how did she know when the proper time was unless she did go back to equestria


Except if the main six never disco6the magic of friendship, then they never defeated Sombra, then the mirror wouldn't even be in the crystal empire! It used to be in Celestia's castle but then it was moved to the crystal empire for safekeeping after Sombra was defeated. Not important for the theory but still a little detail I noticed!


Really don't know why they didn't mix MLP with Equestria Girls more


Great video. I can’t wait to see more. And Zi know I said this before and you may have seen this comment in some of your videos but, I like to see a Fluttershy x Discord: Fluttercord video. I mean in the end of the series we kinda saw them living together and I would love to see a video about that. You did one of Starlight and Sunburst so, why not Fluttershy and Discord? That would be an amazing video. So please think about it this is pure gold we’re talking about here.🤎💛💘🦄

Sorry typo I meant to say I know I said this before.👍


maybe she didn't need twighlight to get the magic element- Celestia used the magic element when defeating nightmare moon, so what if she took control of the princess, like some other villains, and make Celestia get her the magic element?  if other villains defeated the princess then why cant she?


Sunset could have become a princess, there might be a timeline that everything turned out fine only starlight didn’t find it and twilight never became friends with everyone else


Honestly it looks like if EVERY villian came together


If only Hasbro would make a new series that is a sequel to My Little Pony


Okay. Now I'm confused. So we have default Sawtooth (his normal pony form), Changeling Sawtooth (His normal changeling form), Corrupted bat pony Sawtooth (In the Sombra videos), we have Snowflake Sawtooth (The last video), and we have feather Sawtooth (This video) <br>What am I missing here? Why are there so many of you? Did you go to the lake that multiplies ponies? (Forgot what it's called, but it multiplied Pinky)

Okay. Now I'm confused. So we have default Sawtooth (his normal pony form), Changeling Sawtooth (His normal changeling form), Corrupted bat pony Sawtooth (In the Sombra videos), we have Snowflake Sawtooth (The last video), and we have feather Sawtooth (This video)
What am I missing here? Why are there so many of you? Did you go to the lake that multiplies ponies? (Forgot what it's called, but it multiplied Pinky)


Sunset would have to find the Alicorn Amulet or team up with another villian. Probably Nightmare Moon as soon as she retuned. Sunset just hasn't shown to be as powerful or able with magic as Twilight.


Your right about the second one there is no way she could have won because it was connected to twilight

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When the video started I wanted to say the same thing you said in the end, no mane six together, no elements, no crown in the wrong world and no evil sunset's army..


This is random but how do you make your character (aka your earth pony) have the animations in a sense<br>Like how he raises his hoof his expressions. Do you draw ir all or do you have a base?

This is random but how do you make your character (aka your earth pony) have the animations in a sense
Like how he raises his hoof his expressions. Do you draw ir all or do you have a base?


Why has nobody talked about Sunset Shimmer’s magic aura? It was originally that turquoise colour when she stole Twilight’s crown but when she returned afterwards, it was red. I know it was probably a design change thing, but what if there’s another meaning to it or something?


Sunset Shimmer is my character in Equestria Girls. I’m glad that Twilight and her friends were able to reform her because she’s an awesome girl.


No!!! Aquarium from the Carnival of the Animals returned!

(I really liked the video though, maybe do a video on what you think happened in the final timeline)


Think about Chrysalis and her mane six copies the shriveled away when the tryed to get the elements and if Sunset did come into equetreia with the element of Magic see would of gone through something worse.And so the tree of harmony destroyed Demon Sunset and the world by using so much power and magic.


The final time change that we saw could be that every villain wanted to fight together or wanted to fight each other and it cause this disaster I’m not saying I’m right but it could be it 🧐

@Dreena Tovar ur right and this could cause the final time

@Dreena Tovar discord could bring everyone cause he has tha power and btw ty for the info


What if that last timeline was the Tantabus? If It had escaped into the real world, I may have been that hopeless. Luna Said It would make Equestria into "A living Nightmare" Didn't she? The only problom being Luna would have to be reformed, Which very well could have happened. The mane 6 Defeated Nightmare moonbut Celestia Reformed Luna. She still could have felt bad afterward and created the tantabus. I hope you find some intrest in this theory!


I gave a possibility of what would have happened to Sunset during the Wasteland Timeline in It's A Screwed Up Life. It... wasn't pretty


I wonder, what would have happened if celesta and Luna <b>were never born?</b>

I wonder, what would have happened if celesta and Luna *were never born?*


Who said the element of magic was the most powerful. What has magic to do anything with friendship, I mean the other elements describe what you should have in friendship, but the element of magic? I mean come on. But still good theory.


If you ask me, there could be an evil sunset Timeline, one where the rainboom still happened but in a different way, maybe a different main six, all that would have to happen is getting a princess who was a heavy sleeper... you can figure out the rest...


I think that last timeline was like one where celestia and luna never raised the sun and moon again. That's why there isn't a sun and moon. Maybe, this is a world where there is no villain, but there is no hero. Like, they just gave up hope. Tbh Twilight was a relief. A break. A light. And without her, celestia and luna just gave up. They had no family, no friends. No student.  And more villains saw this as a chance to attack. They weren't successful, but they managed to make the two sisters hopeless and dull. and the world around them followed.  Sunset would just, conquer the human world. then she would check on equestria and.......... its gone. so she goes back to human world and laughs. how pathetic. and she still won in the end


The only explanation I can think of is that  because the rainboom didn’t happen Twilight and her friends would have never happened and Twilight wouldn’t have becomen a princess and didn’t get the crown.

I wrote this as I listened to the video and just saw that you brought it up haha 😂


(final timeline) War.......war never changes.


i think the baren wasteland was the results of tirek, cozy and chrysalis victory of taking over, i know that the fight between them was much later but idk just my thought


The last timeline looks like if Sweet Apple Acres wasnt running.


What if she was supposed to be a bearer of the element of magic but she never made any friends to help stop all of the villains?!


The last timeline was a result of all the books plans being unleashed and they fought eachother


Well, I was going to warn you that Sunset couldn't have sucseded because without the Rainboom, Twilight wouldn't have become friends with the rest o the mane six and wouldn't have become a princess.<br>But you were faster than me. Np

Well, I was going to warn you that Sunset couldn't have sucseded because without the Rainboom, Twilight wouldn't have become friends with the rest o the mane six and wouldn't have become a princess.
But you were faster than me. Np


I'm going to say that the last timeline was trixie's


she probably still would've been  just your average high school bully


Sunset Shimmer could have used dark magic tyrol Equestria just like King Sombra did and probably she would succeed with the help of Starlight glimmer I know it sounds pretty darn impossible but I know it will happen ;3


I thought of something, why didn’t we see a MIDNIGHT SPARKLE timeline??

Midnight sparkle was caused by a talisman that human twilight made. But it contained the magic of 5 of the elements, there’s a copy of the main 6 in the human world, that would mean double the mAgIc oF fRiEnDsHiP. (This is complicated XD) but the thing is midnight sparkle has a lot of power, she was destroying and ripping holes in dimensions with the intent of going to equestria but she never did since reformed sunset used the SAME magic to turn into something beautiful- but that’s a whole other topic! Anyway, if she did get to equestria (it be an awkward scene seeing an evil twilight with the pony twilight still good..?) she has enough power to make it past the equestrian army. But she seeked knowledge instead of destroying equestria so it couldn’t have been that last timeline. It. wouldn’t. have. been. Possible because starlight stopping the rainboom the main 6 would have never meet and the elements wouldn’t have existed. But then there was the elements the talisman held and it came from another world,
this is getting complicated and I’m tired of typing 😅 but think about it-

I thought of something, why didn’t we see a MIDNIGHT SPARKLE timeline??

Midnight sparkle was caused by a talisman that human twilight made. But it contained the magic of 5 of the elements, there’s a copy of the main 6 in the human world, that would mean double the mAgIc oF fRiEnDsHiP. (This is complicated XD) but the thing is midnight sparkle has a lot of power, she was destroying and ripping holes in dimensions with the intent of going to equestria but she never did since reformed sunset used the SAME magic to turn into something beautiful- but that’s a whole other topic! Anyway, if she did get to equestria (it be an awkward scene seeing an evil twilight with the pony twilight still good..?) she has enough power to make it past the equestrian army. But she seeked knowledge instead of destroying equestria so it couldn’t have been that last timeline. It. wouldn’t. have. been. Possible because starlight stopping the rainboom the main 6 would have never meet and the elements wouldn’t have existed. But then there was the elements the talisman held and it came from another world,
this is getting complicated and I’m tired of typing 😅 but *think about it-*


Without the rainboom Twilight also wouldn't be Celestia's pupil and it would've still been sunset maybe sunset could've been the element of magic without twilight and that was the result of her going rouge (my opinion of course)


The waste land, I think was the ending where all the bad people combined there magic was too much for the fabric of the universe so everyone and everything died


can u make a theory on how  the  waste land came to be?


I wonder what would lead up to the last timeline and how it would e created


also if twilight didn't get into the school of magic sunset might have been the sixth element of harmony


Why is it that I just realized (After YEARS of watching the show!) That "When the five are present, a spark will cause the 6th to appear" Twilight SPARKLE xD


I think Cozy Glow is the mystery land. She is a villian after all.


Welllll, just came from listening to a JYC row music video and I might say, the sisters turned evil and it had catastrophic events.


One reason Sunset may not have showed up is, if Twilight and her friends never met, the crown sunset used wouldn’t exist. Remember the element became the crown.


Know for the mane question who is starlight glimmer’s mother? Would any of the villains actually be her mother. Because we met her dad but we never figured out who her mom was


Wait I just thought there wasn’t a Sunset universe because if stuff happened the School of Magic wouldn’t exist and Sunset would never be under Celestia’s wing?


Hey I have a theory!!! So in the friendship games, that principle , who is she? Well I think she might be chrysalis. And here’s why. You know how in one of his other videos he said that chrysalis might have been the old queen of the crystal empire. And in the the movie, it was based off before princess Cadence was well “principal “ so this might fit perfectly. And since Cyrisals can change her apperance, and maybe some equestrian magic leaked through, letting her take that magic and use it. Now here’s when it gets interesting, so when human twilight was pushed into yawing the magic from the pendant, that was chrysalis’s plan to use it like she has been trying for a long time. Ever since the main six defeated her, she’s been wanting their magic. If you think so too, like this and plz if sawtooth if you read this can you mention me? Also, share plz thx for taking the time to read this


2:22 : Actually, yes

So, i actually tought of 3 posibilities at first, but i ended up with only one posibility. I think this is the timeline of Tantabus, and this is someponys nightmare.

Sorry for the spelling mistakes, English isn't my native language


I like to think cozy glow draining all magic caused the wasteland


The last UA could be someone who want to completly destroy eguestria. We could see that there is a storm cuz we couldnt see canterlots hill. So that means that the storm king took everything from earth of equestria and make world up in sky upon clouds where storm isnt that dangerous. So My theory is that the storm king took all magic from equestria for himself and made his own world up in sky.
And other villians died cuz
Changelings: no pony/creature = no love = death
Sombra: No Crystal Empire = no life goal
Discord: no innocent ponies = no fun = no reason to leave his world
Nightmare moon: no power = no change
Tirek: no magic = no food = death
Cozy Glow: no school of friendship/no magic of friendship = no goal
Shadow pony: no return of the pilars = no return of him
Flim and Flam: no apples = no buisness
Mythical creaturs: no magic and food = death
Etc.


Sawtooth I have a challenge for you watch all 3 part of the heart of a draconequus and don't cry even one times . Can some do this challenge ?


Imagine In the Friendship Games When sunset turned into Daylight Sunset she and midnight Twilight Fight through the Two Worlds like they go to The Pony World and the Human World Back and Fourth and It Ends on that Energy Blast That Would've been Cool but If That Happened It'll Kinda Lose The Whole Friendship Factor in the Movie but at least We Got Awesome Fight


Now that I think about it, what about the sirens?


What if like, Twilight and her friends did get the elements of harmony, but somewhere before the 1st equestria girls movie they stopped being friends, and Sunset went through the portal and found the element since it was already out of the stone mechanism thingy


Ok but what truly happened in the last timeline


That ending was so fast<br>How do you talk so fast??

That ending was so fast
How do you talk so fast??


The element of magic is useless?! Did anyone try?


Omg thanks for doing another video it was rlly good. I was honestly getting a little worried you quit.


Uhh idk i think that was starlights timeline where her ideology took over the world and the lack of joy made it like that


I think the last time line was Cozy glow. Equestria heavily relies on magic, and I think the world without magic would just die.


I have a Question for you Sawtooth Waves.If a Alicorn Amulet has magic of all tree tries whi the Amulet turn Trixie isto Alicorn???


What if gusty the great turned herself into the spiret of harmony after grogar’s defeat she became the spiret of harmony and with that she mite be the tree of harmoy


Have you ever thought Luna is the moon celestial is sun and twilight is the starts🤯😁


I think it was just a glitch for making too many timelines


I think the last timeline is the Grogar timeline. (no not Discord, the real Grogar)


Bored I am

Forgot that every other Friday is Sawtooth day

N O I C E


I know the backstory to the wasteland timeline,I think it goes like this(I don’t remember how it goes.):There was a war between Equestria and <b>???*.Equestria was so Desperate that they did *???</b> and it became a wasteland.The END.

I know the backstory to the wasteland timeline,I think it goes like this(I don’t remember how it goes.):There was a war between Equestria and *???*.Equestria was so Desperate that they did *???* and it became a wasteland.The END.


a sunsetshimer timeline wouldnt be possible because the elemnt of magic wont be there to begin with


This doesn't make sense. If the main 6 never  met, there was no crown! Meaning - SUNSET CANNOT TURN INTO A DEMON IF THE MAIN 6 NEVER MET!


I missed your vids sawtooth waves, you make cool vids and  awesome vids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Good idea. But why didn’t we see Midnight Sparkles outcome of victory either? Pls make a theory on that. What would have happened with all of the villains of equestria girls (legend of evergreen,...)?


Why no starlight glimmer she needs to be in this


What I think cased that timeline was because of all the villains together what if all the villains nightmare moon, discord, etc... working together like what discord touched the other villains like someone teached them to work together and all thoughs villains working together work cases the hole world and everything everyone knows is destroyed in the end


Even farther into T-Rex winning abomination duh he obviously used his magic to destroy this land the only reason he's not around is because he probably used too much of his magic and is probably no longer with the ponies


me, looking at the thumbnail: wow, so oc. very mary sue.


I think it’s because it was an equestrian girls movie and they didn’t want to bring that into the show. Also there wasn’t enough time in the episode


The apocalypse was the battle of Appleloosa


SADLY I MISSED IT 4 HOURS AGO 😢
But luckily, THIS VIDEO IS FANTASTIC!!!!🤩🤩🤩👍👍👍
P.S That's a cute-
Uh.....IDK WHAT THAT IS ON YOUR HEAD OR EAR SAWTOOTH!!!!!😢
BUT IT'S ADORABLE!!!!🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩


haha, sunset go brrr n' make all the villains pale in comparison


If twighlight sparkle wasn't defeated too please


sunset did the spark so that wasteland is from her


the reason is because twilight wouldn't have the crown


It's like 4;02 am I was going to sleep but like this is more important-


it wasn't there because if they didn't meet then there would be no elaments to take


4:46 : Yayyy, now i can be a pegasi like me!


Somewhere i hered that waste land would be by deamon human Twi, it could happen. Waste land look like it was dreaned of all magic.


The crown have never have existed in that alternative future and sunsetshimer never got back or know about the elements so in that future sunset haver never bring a element to the other world so a Olán never could it happend I don’t know if I explain my self jajaja


The crown have never exist so the crown never got into the other world


This is just a joke what is the final timeline is evil Twilight


Well nightmaremoon destroyd the elements of she was not stopped


Flim flam?<br>Was that a joke or did i miss that

Flim flam?
Was that a joke or did i miss that


No sunset shimmer didn’t want to go back to equestria she wanted to concer   The human world


Omg I see a conection it might be the fears of the main six ok

1.nightmare moon rarity
2.tirek twilight
3.King sombra pinkie pie
4.Discord Rainbow dash
5.flim and flam Applejack
6.Chrisalys fluttershy
7.?

Celestia soo the element of twilight is useless with out the main six right WRONG in the beginig Celestia used the elements without twilight or the main six but Celstia would do anything for her ponies or citizans that would be her fear being alone she must be a sevent element because she can use the elements without the main six but what do you think oh and Sawtooth Waves please tell me what do you think


OMG I did not know sunset shimmer would of done that my little pony like o my god hashtag omg.


What is it was the time line where sunset shimmer in starlight glimmer were friends and and their memory got white some h*** how in you can make you can do the rest of your series you can make up the rest you can see a fury see if anything makes sense see ya


OH NO SUNSET GLIMMER <b>cough cough</b> I mean OH NO STARLIGHT SHIMMER! Huuuuuuuuuu -_-

OH NO SUNSET GLIMMER *cough cough* I mean OH NO STARLIGHT SHIMMER! Huuuuuuuuuu -_-


I mean everything in that world is ash so... sun... ash... hot...


But wouldn’t sunset be the next princess because she use to be better then twilight


I always loved alicorns peguesei unicorn and erth ponie but you make it like is frendship is fail


Sawtooth waves: what do you think?<br>Me: have no idea how to argue with you: your theories always seem logically accurate 👍

Sawtooth waves: what do you think?
Me: have no idea how to argue with you: your theories always seem logically accurate 👍

I know that you like sawtooth waves but I like mr beast better sis


My name is Car as Nabil  I want Alicorns wings and horn


Hey southwaves why didn’t you post on last Friday


Ok so sunset will take over both worlds dne


Because she mad and not create a bad time she just played some of the time now she’s not create it all the time not because now that I created all of them created of you I want you to make a berry about it because this is the only thing that matters do you know this your name color maybe she didn’t even make the time great others that someone didn’t didn’t you can be on the forever and ever and ever


ITS STARLIHGTS lol i cant spell i am a kid


Sawtooth, ever since Daybreaker was revealed, I always assumed that the last dark timeline was one in which Daybreaker came to power and started nuking the world with the power of the sun. Daybreaker struck me as having the potential to decide that subjects (or life itself) were a waste of time, unlike Nightmare Moon who is all about uncontrollable desire for adoration.

I think Demon Sunset could have turned out very similar in power and behavior.


I love how you still make theories and videos even after mlp ended, I've watched you since 2013 and I'm so happy I found your channel again.


I mean, there is a possibility that Starlight would've stopped the mane six after they had made the elements possible but that would leave an entire plot of how sunset got her hands on the elements.

Maybe if sunset won the battle and defeated the human main six. We've already seen that the the duplicates have no recolection of their counterparts (aside from pinkie but she's a weird one lol) so if they're living completely separate lives then maybe the elements wouldn't work for them and then sunset would've won? Then if she beat the entirety of the equestrian military, it would be possible for her to rule.

When twilight got back after the 30 moons, it would be too late and the damage would be done. They could defeat sunset again in equestrian guess but in the human world, her defeat left a massive explosion of a crater. As she said "Equestria has more power". Perhaps that way the explosive damage would be greater and cause Equestria to become a barren wasteland. Or maybe at least Ponyville.

When sunset tore rifts between the worlds and also made the massive crater, you could compare them and see the massive size difference betweenn their scales (equestria being smaller). Therefore the same explosion would cause a lot more damage and therefore the barren wasteland.

Or maybe it was just perspective, idk


I feel like the final timeline must have been all the villans fighting together. All the villans in starlight's alternate future did some form of damage, but all of them fighting each other with ponies getting caught in the crossfire seems more explanatory.


Personally, I am and will always be a huge Sunset Shimmer fan, but you do bring up some really valid points. I also believe that Sunset wouldn’t have been able to obtain her power THAT WAY in another timeline without the mane 6. BUT she could have taken a different route, perhaps since Twilight never passed her entry exam and never became Celestia’s student, I would think that at some point Celestia would have wanted Sunset back. Maybe Sunset could have used her time in the human world to learn how to manipulate other’s discretely and in the shadows, instead of with direct confrontation and threats. If Sunset had been able to properly learn how to know what people wants and to be able to convince them, or persuade them, she may have been able to go back to Equestria and maybe even play Celestia. In this timeline, because of the absence of the mane 6, Celestia wouldn’t have had Luna either, so perhaps she would have been easier to manipulate. Maybe Sunset could have managed to get to the point of being an alicorn, and managed to decrease Celestia’s trust in other’s and herself to the point where Sunset could easily overpower her and be the only Alicorn in Equestria. (I don’t know where Cadence would fit in seeing as we don’t really have enough canon details of her origin)


Yeah... Twilight's element appeared only when the "spark" worked, but... Didn't we see it also when Celestia banished Luna to the Moon? She took the element of magic, that was hidden into the stone, so, if Sunset somehow got to know about this or if this element was somehow left visible for everyone else, then it's still possible for Sunset to get her hands on the element of magic - and then she can do what we all know.


You know, remember in the flash back where Celestia defeated Nightmare Moon? There she just whipped out the element of magic from one of the relics. What if there's a special spell that Sunset could've learned somehow, to gain the element of magic in Equestria without the rainboom happening... I've always wondered how Celestia got the element of magic in that battle.


I love this channel and the fact that we can make theories from the series. Keep it up!


I think the last timeline would've definitely been someone who could be powerful and a void of feelings. I mean, seriously, a baron wasteland? This has to be someone who was clearly shown to he useless, as this is a kid's show, so deeper meanings aren't usually the objective. I'm not sure about who this was though. Ideas?


I never thought about the Equestria Girls villain timelines. Then again, you may be right in that they never happened. All their plans hinge upon the crown getting into the human world.


The barren land universe could have been caused by a villain we’ve never seen in the show

If Twilight didn’t discovered the magic of friendship
Maybe a villain who had lurked in the shadows decided to take action and corrupted Equestria?

Maybe when the elements of harmony were back in use, another villain was stopped before they could do anything because they realized they never saw a chance to beat the elements and decided to see how powerful it really is

Without the events in use, it might have taken over Equestria and caused the alternative timeline

I don’t know
Something just came in my head


A possible plan that Sunset could have done was go after a different magical artifact or learn more powerful spells, possibly from the library where Twilight gets the time travel spell and try that.


Sunset Shimmer may have made that future. but at the same time very unlikely.

Thanks to the Equiestra Girls movie; Friendship games, we know that she was trapped in her own dimension, while Twilight is in temporary chaos.

What if it is for that reason that there was also no possible future? What intrigues me the most is the dimension that Twilight (of the Equeitria Girls dimension) opened. If at that time Twilight was with the Starlight Glimmer situation. What dimension did you open? And if it was the Prime dimension, why do the Mane 6 or the Princess know what happened at that moment?

It was weird that Twilight upon reaching the Equestria Girls dimension only mentioned Starlight's temporary chaos and not the fact that her dimension is almost invaded by her other self.
If so, what exactly happened? Could it be that the dimension Midnight Sparkle was going to enter was a dimension made by Glimmer?

// This note was made with a translator. Since I speak Spanish.


The Flim and Flam timeline is also intriguing. For that to happen, the other villains would’ve had to be defeated, meaning that there is a timeline where the Mane 6 isn’t needed to save Equestria. This is further proven by the Discord Timeline, where Luna was reformed without the Mane 6. As for the last timeline, I think it’s caused by all the rising and powerful villains that destroyed everything and everyone (including themselves) by fighting each other for power, using their Powerful Magic to destroy each other and everything (like a Magic Nuke).


so I am rewatching MLP and just seeing this video, it actually makes A LOT sense! In the very second episode of season 1 (as he mentioned), there has to be a spark for a 6th element to appear in order to have ALL the elements of harmony. We didn't see Sunset's version in season 5 finale because of Starlight. The Sonic Rainboom didn't happened, The Mane 6 NEVER met nor the elements were there. And if we did get to see her timeline, it would actually be A LOT different like- really A LOT something like- that scene where Starlight and Twilight are in the middle of nowhere.


My question for you Sawtooth. Would it have been possible for Sunset to have been the next ruler of equestria instead of twilight? Hear me out. We get twilight failing the entrance exam to celestia's school. Celestia wouldn't have found prodigy twilight to succeed her. Celestia would have continued with her school till the time when nightmare moon would have returned. Somewhere along that timeline Sunset was her student. So what could have changed. Maybe sunset wouldn't have acted out and maybe sought forgiveness instead of power. Maybe in her path to become a better pony it would lead her to ponyville to make new friendships.


Simple answer: starlight caused twilight and her friends to never meet and therefore never being able to venture on to the castle of the 2 sisters and eventually not bringing the 6 elements of harmony to materialise into gems. So without the element of magic and the others, sunset would have had nothing to steal and may have played a different role in the other time lines


It's pretty obvious the sunset future didn't happen, because it couldn't. In a world without twilight and her friends, no one ever reclaimed the elements and without that happening sunset never had a chance to steal them, as they would remain in the castle of the two sisters and would never get anywhere close to the mirror for sunset to get her hands on it. I guess she might have tried to steal somethign else instead, but the only really powerful artefact close enough to the mirror for her to risk it would be the crystal heart, which, by its very nature, probably wouldn't work nearly half as well. <br>sunset being able to pose any threat to equestria is completely depend on twilight finding the element and taking it to the crystal empire and with all of starlight's futures specifically designed to prevent that from happening, we obviously never will see a bad sunset future.

It's pretty obvious the sunset future didn't happen, because it couldn't. In a world without twilight and her friends, no one ever reclaimed the elements and without that happening sunset never had a chance to steal them, as they would remain in the castle of the two sisters and would never get anywhere close to the mirror for sunset to get her hands on it. I guess she might have tried to steal somethign else instead, but the only really powerful artefact close enough to the mirror for her to risk it would be the crystal heart, which, by its very nature, probably wouldn't work nearly half as well.
sunset being able to pose any threat to equestria is completely depend on twilight finding the element and taking it to the crystal empire and with all of starlight's futures specifically designed to prevent that from happening, we obviously never will see a bad sunset future.


I like to think that the desolate future seen in Starlight's final alternate timeline is the result of Celestia turning into Daybreaker. Nightmare Moon could have returned and waged war against Celestia, something happens and Celestia turns into Daybreaker. The two of them fight and in the end, Nightmare gains the upper hand, striking a fatal blow to Daybreaker. Daybreaker's final action is to supercharge the sun and turn all of Equestria into a cindered wasteland.


I think the barren wasteland could have been caused by all the villains trying to take over and having an epic battle that resulted in the complete destruction of all that is good and they were all so injured from the fight that they retreated to heal and regroup. Maybe in that future, another battle was looming.


I was about to say when you first brought up Evil Shimmer. The Element of Magic wouldn't be within Sunset's grasp if the Mane6 didn't retrieve them.


But what about the event that split Sunset and Celestial apart? Unless if it's canon (Which is from a comic book that takes place before the first Equestria Girls film), then that should still happen and Sunset still ends up in the human world.

However, that would not mean that she would gain her evil transformation because the Element of Magic was never unlocked due to Twilight and the Mane Six never meeting, which is what was needed to unlock the Element that granted Sunset her powers in the first place. (Which was stated in the video)

But then comes this question: In this alternate timeline, did Sunset stay in the human world? Or decided to one day return to Equestria after having a change of heart and develop a want to fix her mistakes?

I highly doubt that she went with the second option, but it is a possibility no matter how small of a likelihood of it happening.

But if she did, does that mean she could've become a princess instead of Twilight? Or something else?

The possibilities are endless!


So maybe the final timeline was what would've happened if Cozy Glow won. She's a filly who was trying to be in charge of Equestria and she also sent the Young 6 in the magic orb that would've sent them to another realm. The Young 6 are (mostly) children of royal families so to hear that the leader of Equestria basically murdered them would've caused an all out war among every nation (you saw how the season 8 premiere turned out). This war could've basically destroyed anything and everything because of how many parties were involved, and that's what could've caused the empty wasteland that Starlight and Twilight saw.


As for the timeline my guess would be sleeping dragon covering whole sky with thick dark clouds that caused great damage to all life in very big area (propably not all Equestria)


I think why there wasn’t a Sunset Shimmer timeline is because the Elements of Harmony had to be retrieved first. Remember in the first episode? Twilight had to get the elements and since Starlight altered the Rainboom event, she probably didn’t get her cutie mark and get far on her studies to get the elements and since the Elements of Harmony wasn’t retrieved, Sunset wouldn’t have gotten Twilight’s element and used it to take over Equestria.

So I think that’s why it didn’t show the Sunset Shimmer taking over Equestria timeline. Feel free to tell your thoughts!


I have a thought,if Sunset did go to the pony world to get the elements where they still in the castle she would have to travel a long way back to ponyvill,so she could of gotten her hand or hooves on some powerful magic that could make the six element appear and sense she would have ALL the elements she would have the combined power to take down  Celestia and Luna's arms,so she definitely could have made that final time line.


I completly agree about the reason se didn't see a sunset timeline. As for the "Wasteland timeline" I think It could've been caused by a tremendous war. Not an "Equestria vs Villain" but " Villain vs Villain". Imagine a scenario where Tirek, Queen Chrysalis with her hive, King Sombra with his brainwashed army and Nightmare Moon with her  knights all clashed in one massive war, wothout even considering the windigos, feasting on Equestria's warlords hate for each other. The war goes on, with more and more damages each and every day, until there's nothing left. It could've happened in a long time, as a resault of the many battles that scared the land or, even worse, someone created a spell that could end the war for good, and It worked far too well


What if the last time line that you were talking about the deserted time line was actually the Twilight timeline. Here me out if sun set shimmer was never turned to good than the Twilight from the human side of the portal would have successfully "learned" about the magic coming from Canterlot high ripping the two worlds in the process.


What happened? A war between Zebras and Ponies broke out. All of Starlight's attempts may have not entirely stopped the Rainboom, it could have happened at a later date, resulting in the Mane six still getting together, but things being slightly different. As we all know, even the slightest differences can cause a radical shift in timelines. Even an unsuccessful interruption of the Rainboom could result in serious consequences.


What if the last timeline is when all the villains duked it out, trying to each rule Equestria. Unlike the other timelines, there was no clear winner and as such things got so intense they destroyed Equestria and themselves?


Wait, what about the elements of disharmony? I've seen videos about alternate universes where Sunset is basically Twilight. In the MLP comics, there was one about another mirror that Celestia had where the roles were all reversed. Bad guys were good and good guys were bad. Including the Main 6, or in this case, the Mean 6. We've seen a few episodes where these girls' become the opposite of themselves. Sunset Shimmer didn't know how to make friends, which is why she ran away in the first place. What if she found the other mirror and brought the Mean 6 to Equestria? Then, maybe these evil counterparts could have brought the Elements of Disharmony and when Sunset got what she needed, sent the girls back to their own world and combined the elements into one. Making a new crown for herself and turning into "a raging she-demon" and making her own army out of Equestria's people, I mean, ponies. Sunset's success could have ended in the barren wasteland after sucking the magic out of both lands and warping the two worlds into one or like Sawtooth said, if Starlight made more timelines, Sunset could have even be worshipped. There's a lot to think about this.....


A theory that does come to mind about the last time line is what if it’s DayBreakers?
We never see a proper event with DayBreaker except for the dream episode where startlight and Luna helped celestia defeat her, but if twilight hadn’t stopped starlight, then starlight can’t help celestia and Luna.
Could it be possible that, that’s the destruction DayBreaker could have caused if celestia turned into her.

But again just a theory.


Here are some villains/enemies that could have caused the Isolated Timeline:
(I don’t know which villains came before and after this episode so please don’t say, we didn’t see this villain till season #)

Ahuizotl: In the episode Daring Don’t, Ahuizotl says he was going to use the rings to cause 800 years of unrelenting heat. So maybe he succeeded and caused the world to go into a drought, aka, the Isolated Timeline.

Sirens: They used their singing to cause the ponies to fight, therefore, things not getting done such as harvesting food and magic being used for bad intentions.

Trixie: Using the Alicorn Amulet, Trixie turned the world into something she visioned, but failed, causing Equestrian to go into a wasteland.

Garble: Caused Dragons to riot against ponies somehow, burning everything in sight.

Twilight?!: I mean, certainly, if human twilight can corrupt, pony twilight can certainly do the same right?

Daybreaker: Basically, Daybreaker uses her fire to burn everything in her path, from forests to huge towns/cities, leaving the world in a burnt up wasteland terrain.

In my opinion, I like the ahuizotl one most. If there are any villains I missed that came before this episode, let me know please.

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Don't forget Daybreaker (Corrupt Celestia)!


How... How do you manage to point out something like this that's so obvious yet so hard to find..... <b>You legend</b>

How... How do you manage to point out something like this that's so obvious yet so hard to find..... *You legend*


I believe the wasteland timeline is Starlight Glimmers alternate reality when she succeeds in removing everyone's cutie mark removing everyone's energy and talent in the process. Earth ponies wouldn't be able to tend the earth/agriculture, pegasi unable to change the weather, Celestia and Luna won't be able to raise the sun and moon  etc. Sugar Belle wasn't able to make simple cupcakes without her cutie mark.


I think that the one causing the wasteland timeline is cozy glow, I don’t have any guesses of the story leading up to this but with how smart she is it is possible

very interesting, but there's a timing problem with that. Cosi glow didn't start her career and villainy until long after Starlight's timelines


That gets me thinking, what if starlight just tripped rainbow the same way over and over... would the same alt timeline keep accuring like a  time loop or would they be different?


My take for the final timeline is one that all the villains fought against each other and caused the world to be destroyed. No winner on the throne...just a big wasteland...


You are right! No one knew about The Elements of Harmony and where they were hidden? Twilight and her friends found out in The Castle Of The Two Sisters,and they had to represent them so they can be brought back to life or something. I dont think Sunset Shimmer would of get her way to rule Equestria or whatever,because she couldnt find the crown and be able to bring back the elements. No offense but please do more research.


What if...that timeline was DayBreaker's fault? Okay, we all know that she is about all fire and stuff. So she might be...burned all Equestria and made a castle   at somewhere else? Like let's see, the dimension looks like burned and not alive. Daybreak would've caused that.<br>But hey that's just a theory!

What if...that timeline was DayBreaker's fault? Okay, we all know that she is about all fire and stuff. So she might be...burned all Equestria and made a castle   at somewhere else? Like let's see, the dimension looks like burned and not alive. Daybreak would've caused that.
But hey that's just a theory!


I think the wasteland was caused by all of the villains fighting for control until everything was gone.


The empty one could have been cozy glow even though it hasn’t happened yet but anything could happen in the future since she took magic out of equestria because twilight and starlight don’t know about it yet that’s why twilight doesn’t mention it and the world and equestria rely on magic btw love your vids xx Hannah


Awesome! Although my belief is still that: that last time line is starlight’s. Over time with no special talents society would become dis functional and thuse ending here. It also looks a lot like starlight little village. But that’s just me, overall amazing video love seeing your stuff 😁😉


I wish someone makes theory on the last time line... Like I want to know who was responsible... Other creatures attack? Grogar? Pony of shadows? Daybreaker?


So, what do you think <b>did</b> happen in that last timeline to turn Equestria into a barren wasteland?

So, what do you think *did* happen in that last timeline to turn Equestria into a barren wasteland?


She would have different effects based on what timeline was already in play


dear sawtooth waves,
you probably didn't want my opinion , but have it anyway.
I think there isn't a timeline in which Sunset succeeds because she can't. you said yourself that she would only be powerful enough if the element's magic transferred over. however, Sunset states in equestrian girls that when an element of harmony is taken to an alternate reality, its magic is reversed. therefore, if demon sunset went through the portal (or any of the rifts) then the magic in the crown would be reversed back to its original state. thus switching Sunset back too.
thank you for reading. I love your videos.

with love,
Nyx.


Top 10 things that keep me awake at night:
10. "Something's under my bed, isn't there."
9. Weird, loud noises
8. Existential crisis's
7. "Did I do my homework?" (Even though I did)
6. Spiders.
5. "How would Equestria have been governed if it was by Luna and not Celestia before the two sisters ruled together and it was just one?"
4. My brain thinking i'm falling
3. The inevitable
2. The closet door
1. That unknown timeline

Top 10 things that keep me awake at night:
10. "Something's under my bed, isn't there."
9. Weird, loud noises
8. Existential crisis's
7. "Did I do my homework?" (Even though I did)
6. Spiders.
5. "How would Equestria have been governed if it was by Luna and not Celestia before the two sisters ruled together and it was just one?"
4. My brain thinking i'm falling
3. The inevitable
2. The closet door
1. *That unknown timeline*


i think we 'did' see a timeline where she won in a way...the flim flam timeline...someone defeated all the villans to give flim and flam a chance at there hostile takeover bid, i think sunset returned earlier in this timeline, found nightmare moon had taken over and nopony had steped up to stop her...eager as ever to prove that her teacher was wrong to shun her she would have set out to unite the elements of harmony and fulfill the prophecy herself, along the way perhaps teaming up with alternate elements, moon dancer and the like, learning true freindship and by the end redeaming herself...but perhaps the delay had a cost...celestia was severly weakend by her time on the moon, nightmare moon ont he moon was one thing it was the source of her power but celestia, the oposite is true being on the moon would have saped her strength...and luna was too far behind to rule, plus her time as nightmare moon would have made her even more a pariah so, sunset who had been trained by celestia to rule before twilight, would take over with her friends as advisors till celestia was well...but sunset has one blind spot, she can be more then a little naive at times...and thus flim and flam were able to con her big time...resulting in the world we saw


Honestly I think Hasbro just stayed on with their separating EqG from the series, but that’s the least exciting theory I could come up with lol.


I personally believe the last timeline was the result Dragonshy If you think about it, after Nightmare Moon, it was the first time the six of them ever saved Equestria together. And Celestia did say the sleeping Dragon could have covered Equestria in ash.


I have a discovery about ponies having the same cutiemarks. In the episode ‘call of the cutie’ where Apple bloom is trying to persuade ponies to buy apples, there is a scene where there is a pony with an hourglass as a cutie mark, with golden ends on it, and minuette, one of twighlights friends, has the EXACT SAME CUTIE MARK!! In the episode ‘the gift of the maud pie’ there is a scene where, for a few seconds, another pony with an hourglass as a cutie mark appears!! This one has brown ends on it, though. In the episode ‘spice up your life’ when pinkie pie is handing out leaflets for the tasty treat, there is a pony with twoghlights cutie mark, but just recoloured!

Also, your episode about zecora  raised the question, does zecora speak in rhymes for a reason, like a sort of tradition? And I might have some information on this. In the episode ‘ 2, 4, 6, great’ when rainbowdash goes to zecora for help on coaching the chear squad, rainbowdash receives a rhyming dictionary from him. This might bring up a few more questions, such as, does zecora just rhyme for no reason or does he do it as a sort of family habit, that he got? I’m not good at answering questions like these but all the information I find I will post here.AAANNNDD, I have some information on the student 6’s elements.

In the episode ‘uprooted’ the tree of harmony created a shared dream that the student six were in. At the end of it, the messenger for the tree of harmony put down their hoof and created 6 lines, all connecting to each of the six!! THE COLOURS WERE THE ELEMENTS THE EACH OF THEM HAD!!

Yona had honesty

Smoulder had a white element (probably loyalty)

Gallus had laughter

Sandbar had generosity

Silver stream had kindness

And Ocellis had a yellow element (probably magic)

I could be wrong with this, like they could have made entirely new elements of harmony but I am sure I’m into something here. I’m not skilled enough to look into any of this further, but that’s the most info I have.


I always stay for that ashamed "Yoshi Darklord..." 😂


Ok unrelated to the video but i have a theory. Sunset was forced to redeem. I mean think about it. Her sudden change in heart was kinda weird. You don't just go from "GRR BARK BARK" to "YAY FRIENDSHIP" in an instant.


You know, Prince Blue Blood is kinda confusing. In season one Rarity states that Prince Blue Blood is Celestia’s nephew. Does that mean he’s Luna’s son or do Celestia and Luna have or had another sibling?

You know, Prince Blue Blood is kinda confusing. In season one Rarity states that Prince Blue Blood is Celestia’s *nephew.* Does that mean he’s Luna’s son or do Celestia and Luna have or *had* another sibling?


So, let's see, maybe the one who cause it, it was someone that appears after starlight, the Shadow Pony or Cozy Glow. But maybe not, because the Shadow Pony comes back because of Twilight and her friends, but even if the Friendship School doesn't exist, Cozy Glow can be the one because she stoles the magic, but I don't know

PD: sorry for my bad english


what if the last timeline is just all the timelines combined and all the destruction it all caused


I agree with your theory that it wouldn't have happened without the elements


In an alternate timeline where Twilight never got crowned Princess and wasn't in the Crystal Empire during Sunset's three days.....Sunset wouldn't have been able to bring the crown back through in the first place.


Sawtooth Waves imagined a timeline where Sunset Shimmer remains a demon-interesting speculation

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The last timeline could be the reault of <b>all</b> the villians fighting and destroying equestria together not as parteners but fighting over who the ruler should be. And in the process destroying equestria?

The last timeline could be the reault of *all* the villians fighting and destroying equestria together not as parteners but fighting over who the ruler should be. And in the process destroying equestria?


umm......i have a way to this conclusion (some how), if you see, like you told that sunset do not have timeline.... or something, the answer to this question can be because well she wasnt a complete villan...right? if you see cosy glow, terik and crisaliys are main villlan we see, like they made a huge distruction and when you come think for sunset its like twilght has made her to choose the right path, and i think she was an easy villan to defeat. well now we see she is a right hand for twilight. well for the question why did starlight didnt see sunset, because maybe her future would be or would go for a far and far away, like make a big distruction and something like this.


I would like to say that if you watch the episode with that timeline then you would have heard twilight said that that timeline is what would happen if basically the main 16 the get together If Earth party pegasus and unicorn continue to fight Thing you would get that bill and Graceland Because the earth ponies grow the food Do unicorns help with their magic and a peg so control the weather  Also During the fight when the 3 tribes were fighting they started to turn to they started to clean so without Without earth pony pig side and unicorns everything would be covered in snow until eventually everything dies in the snow melts And there you got the band banner wasteland


I think the jiant wasteland scene we saw is from tirek, cozy glow and Crysales working together (season 9) but like sawtooth said there is literally no evidence.


Idea for the next time? What if Grogar wasn't Defeated? 🤔


I think that dead time is sunset’s.

Sunset didn’t run away because of Twilight but because she had it with celestia not giving her what she wanted.

Here is my version. Sunset comes back and see that nightmare has taken over. She starts a resistance and gets either velvet or nightlight or shinning armor and to force twilight to help. They take the others she leads twilight through the portal knocks her out and transforms into demon and invade but also destroying the portal


I think destiny made her fail in order for twilight to become her pupil. Like, she used to be under celestias watch until she left for human world. Maybe without the Prophecy she stayed with celestia


Remember because the question is is powered by friendship she literally said it in that episode twilight sparkle quotewell I don’t know how this happened but Questria is on friends and you losing one group of friendships causes Losing one of your friends ends in disastrous results


I think the wasteland was the true alternate timeline, all the villans came back, killed all the ponies, killed each other, then died of starvation


I'm so happy I caught this at the right time because I love your channel


I think I know why there was a bear in the wasteland the reason there was a bear in Raceland was because a Questria was depended on magic in French the only reason that question didn’t fall apart when I try to separate it was because they had a training thing where everyone did something for the other one so that’s where the bear lease land comes that’s what I


I think sunset could not have won because maybe in the pony world the magic would be less powerful compared to the magic in the human world and maybe twilight and her friends were able to take sunset down because they still had the other five elements with them <br>Thats what I think 😅

I think sunset could not have won because maybe in the pony world the magic would be less powerful compared to the magic in the human world and maybe twilight and her friends were able to take sunset down because they still had the other five elements with them
Thats what I think 😅


There is also no Timeline where STarlight  is the evil Person. I think  Starlight and Sunset both not evil in there hearts, they reacting  so because they dont know what is real friendship. They can learn it, they are only hurt where deep in their Souls.


It was the Storm King that ruled the wasteland timeline he created a everlasting storm⛈ which is why it was so dark,cloudy and windy.


If that all happened, would Sunset be Princess Celestias student? Maybe she never abandoned her studies but when everyone attacked she had to join in and help but we just didn’t get to see her


* Pony Stark rolls his eyes *

Excuse me, but how? How, why, where, why did you come up with this idea? Sunset doesn't exist. At least that demonic entity. The mirror is not in the Crystal Empire. And if it is there, then the Elements of Harmony are out of the reach of Sunset. And moreover, as it has already been said here, Twilight is not a princess.
 There is simply no reason for Sunset to attack Equestria. And no power.

And also, Twilight is not Celestia's student, only the sister of her "niece's" husband. At best, if Chrysalis didn't ruin everything.

So, yeah, I disagree with this idea. However, it's always nice to see a video from you! ^-^


I would like to know if but only if it's possible how King Sombra could be reformed.

@Sawtooth Waves Well make that you're next video.


I just wanted to write: "Elements are not in any timeline without the mane 6" and then you said that. I was like:"IDK what to comment lol"


sawtooth could you do a video when u have a theory why we didn't see human sunset shimmer? We all know the sunset in the human world was from the pony world so why didn't we see human HUMAN sunset shimmer?? Just a suggestion i would really enjoy watching your theory on this! :D


Now that i think about it. What if alicorn sunset actually happened in all the other timelines. Think about it. To be an Alicorn you have to create new magic or Aka do a princess worthy deed . Like Celestia said in the first movie. Sunset was basically Power hungry. What if she did something (like making a deal with someone from an already captured and defeated Villain) And realized that she messed up and saved all of equestria from the villain herself. So she Has an adventure where she meets 5 new ponies who helps her defeat the villain. What I’m trying to say is if the rainboom never happened than Sunset could of been the pony world element of magic with 5 other ponies. Maybe she could of not only represented magic but forgiveness as well (since like i said in the beginning,she was power hungry and when she realized the error of her ways she wanted forgiveness) Celestia would of noticed that Sunset created new magic which is the magic of friendship and than made her an Alicorn (She wouldn’t be an alicorn in only the nightmare moon timeline since Celestia wouldn’t be there to teach her )


I'm thinking that timeline might have been Sunset's timeline I was thinking that everytime i watched that very episode wondering the same thing. U saying this is can and very much be true. That  desolant land could very much be her timeline.


What if the wasteland timeline was due to one of the sicknesses in the MLP world or a new sickness creating a extremely fast and deadly plague. The plague would wipe out the entire population then their structures would start decaying. But if that were true then we most likely would have seen broken ruins other then just nothing

Edit: BRO I JUST THOUGHT OF THIS WHAT IF THE WASTELAND TIMELINE WAS DAYBREAKER'S TIMELINE SINCE WHEN YOU BURN SOMETHING THERE'S NOTHING LEFT BUT ASH


Sunset did do it but she youed a spell to get the element of magic.


The last timeline...
Well here is how it might go...
Cosyglow..Terik and Crystalis all won teh war...
What was once home is now a wasteland.
Im talking about the Ending of teh end! That might be what happened if tehy WON!


Hear me out, Sunset turned the world leaders into zombies and took the launch codes and yeeted a few nukes into equestria


I think that the last timeline is what would happen if all the pony's in equestria lost all their talents


Sawtooth is to dangerous to be left alive


Also if sunset did succeed
Shed just steal the crown and break the portal before twilight gets to go in
Without her element both worlds break down
And sunset destroys everything


Maybe this time line is a representation of all of those timelins including sunsets  bcose we didn't get to see far ahed  in the future of those timelins


here is a new way where sunset succeeds, she murders one of the mane 6. this would never happen canonically but still


We didn’t see it because Twighlight didn’t turn into a Princess for Sunset to be able to have a motive...just saying (no hate)


How did you cure your Vampirism and where did the  alicorn amulet go.

What if Sawtooth waves is actually evil.


Imagine if starlight and sunset shimmer, werent defeat, they would team up, and....well...I dont know. Sawtooth what could happend if these villans team up?


Have u ever noticed that grogars ball looks like that eye from King grutos nemisis from the Griffins. It's in the episode where rainbow and pinkie go on a friendship mission


Most likely the dazzlings would either team up with evil sunset or caused a war with all the equestria villains that used magic


yea<br>The sunset demon would have never existed, because twilight didn't get the elements of harmony, sunset wouldn't be able to get the elements of harmony because she needs a spark to get them, she would have to go to the pony wold seek passed the garuds walk passed the forest and try getting the elements of harmony, I don't think it's possible.

yea
The sunset demon would have never existed, because twilight didn't get the elements of harmony, sunset wouldn't be able to get the elements of harmony because she needs a spark to get them, she would have to go to the pony wold seek passed the garuds walk passed the forest and try getting the elements of harmony, I don't think it's possible.


please talk about how you said like twilight and cadence aren’t pure Alcorn’s because twilight had flowing hair just like Celestia and Luna  so I think you just have to be a ruler and I think Lester Don is Celestia’s daughter


Maybe that last timeline wasnt sunset but daybreaker. I mean we had one with nightmare moon so maybe it was her. I mean the wasteland could be because the Sun is always up like how the moon was always up in nightmare moons reality, that would explain why its a a wasteland because all the planst died cause it was always hot.

But that just what i Think
P.s really live your Videos
(Sorry if the grammar is bad im from germany🙂)


i think possibly her evil forms name could be solar flare idk lmao


Friendship games, time went on as our Twilight was does time travel shenanigans, amd came in the end of the movie, and explained that time travel shenanigans are why she wasn't there earlier, so time travel only effects the dimension it happens in


If she wasn’t defeated ALL OF EQUESTRIA WOULD BE IN JEOPARDY! Lol


maybe the death waste land timeline was the storm kings or tempest's or maybe the pony of shadows...?


I thought celestia sayed it was after twilight came to the school sunset started acting up
My theory is that celestia thought sunset was the element of magic but she was wrong and bc celestia thought sunset was a element of harmony she left the element with sunset

And when sunset wanted to be a alicorn. Celestia didtn to it bc she felt she was doing a wrong anyway when nightmare moon was suppose to bring night time last forever sunset defeated her but with a cost she became the demon from the human world and she desroyed everything and head for more lands....

Or every villain in EG came to the pony....world.....oh no


This was good I really liked this and that sunset shimmer demon pony form


I wonder what would happen if the portal between the human world and pony world was destroyed.


Your final conclusion was my first thought


Mabye the spark of power that sunset felt from the first 5 summoned the 6th


Well i was going to comment that Sunset coulnd get the element of magic because of the difference of the timelines since that Starlight did changed and created another one, but what if, in this other different timeline, with Twilight not being Celestia protegy- protege- prot- you all got ( i am brazilian, so i don't reckon this word neither see it that much, sorry) maybe, when Sunset went to the human world, she might understand soner what she did and came back to Celestia, which was still waiting for her (if we count that in some way, Celestia by herself protected Equestria against all the treats, such as Chrysalis before she replace Cadence all over) and with that, Sunset might tryied to change back to be a good protegy- pro-... '-' and with that she tought that she was going good again (Sunset thinking of herself), but with a slip and changes of the pace, she might have discovered the things about the elements of harmony, searched for then and even if the magic isn't there, she was going to try starting a friendship with many ponies that might be the other berears (is "berears" correct too? ;-; ), and with that in mind settled, she might try to enchance their powers and connections with the elements, thinking that thats is the bestest way to show Celestia that she is a good protegy and, maybe that have drived her down to the path again like before, when Celestia didn't aprov her choice of "Studing" the magics and the elements, which have maked her mad... And that could maybe corrupt the other elements, since that Sunset (as showed in the Equestria Girls) she might be another element of harmony, some parallel of the magic one, and with this, she might possible become the "Demon/Devil" Sunset that we saw and "know".

Does all of this makes sense?... In my head, that could be... And since that could happen, Sunset will be in Equestria, with the other elements berears corrupted (i guess) and having discovered her own element, her Element of Discover/Uncover...

I am still thinking what could be her element '-'


What if the last timeline we saw was solar flare I like that name the most Celestias bad side the one that we saw in season 9


I don’t think sunset was the cause of that last timeline what I think may of caused it was muitple villains doing things similar to the series end I’m not sure how else to explain the charred and bare wasteland they found


What happened in the last dimension made by starlight???...?<br>What terrible thing happened there???

What happened in the last dimension made by starlight???...?
What terrible thing happened there???


What if Sunset cast somesort of spell or maybe new eement bearers ;)


I always assumed that last time was cause of Tirek.

@Sawtooth Waves Maybe it was the extended timeline

Tirek part 2, Electrical boogaloo lol

we already saw a tirek timeline where he was still destroying stuff. perhaps the last timeline was an alternate timeline where he destroyed everything at once instead of taking his time? interesting thought


I dont think sunset is that strong also how did her powers even carry to her pony self? Also starlight probably didnt do that because people actually ship sunset and starlight XD like bro


What if we look at it in a different way i think when night mare moon sent celestia to the moon in that timeline what if that happened in the other timeline as well but it goes further deaper this time sunset was mad at celestia and she turned into a pony rajing she demon (her words not mine) like luna did but then she decided to rule along side night mare moon so she some how convinced night mare moon  and then she stabed night mare moon in the back and finished her for good  and then she destroyed equasstria like we see in the episode tell me what you think


Why is everyone getting past the fact they have the same cutie mark their destinys should be different


Basically every evil guy had a motive against ponies bcs of rainbow goddamn dash lmao