My theory: Luna turned Nightmare Moon  because nobody wanted it to be night and need it to be emotionally supported.Why?Let's look it this way.A thousand years ago when Celestia ruled she also had time to visit ponies and she taught them how you can be the best version of themselves(how to be perfect).And a thousand years ago there weren't ponies who compared themselves or who weren't happy because Celestia taughted them how to be HAPPY(and also helped the poor ponies.For example the Apple family got a place to have their own farm because of Celestia ).The ponies because of her advice did almost everything correctly and did so many important things in one day and they wanted to do more but they knew that they had to sleep through the night so that they would have energy but they were still mad about it and wanted the night to end quickly (of course they might of been some days when they were exhausted but happier with their achievements rather then be happy to go to sleep).There might have been some exceptions were Luna intervined but the ponies forgot who helped them so this is why Luna became Nightmare Moon.
       Now going in to the present how would Celestia become Day Breaker. In the present Celestia had so much work on her hooves with preparing Twilight to rule and so many more that she didn't have time to speak to ponies anymore .Because times have changed and her not talking to ponies that affected most of them .They started to compare to each other and the ponies who were weaker were always sad(they need it emotional support). That is were Luna came to the rescue.She took Celestia's job of talking to ponies and encourage them differently.Instead of trying to make them the best version of themselves she told them that they were already the best version of themselves and made them stronger.She also told them her story and what she learned.The ponies were so thankful and wanted to hear more of her advice so they wanted the night to be longer. One time Celestia might of heard some ponies talking about how they fought how the day was useless and the night was awesome.Celestia started feeling exactly like Luna before we became Nightmare Moon.Nobody appreciated anymore all her hard work.She started to become jealous of her sister exactly how Luna did.
PS: I know that I am late but it took a long time to figure this out!

@Teshay Walker Thank you! I just wanted to share my idea because this was my favorite childhood show

this actually makes sense. Both yours and sawtooth’s theory may be canon. Good thinking

That's so much weighting <b>shoots head</b> 😵🔫

That's so much weighting *shoots head* 😵🔫

I'm... Putting... This... In... My... Au...

this is the longest comment I ever seen 0.0

@Bruce Wang
I know😂😂😂
I had this idea a long time ago...

Ik that information is nice and now we know that how might mare noon came thx for the info


The FIENDship is Magic comic about Nightmare Moon seems to imply that Luna only achieved the ability to interact with ponies' dream immediately after she was banished to the moon. Once there she met some cuddly gremlin-looking creatures that had a magic cauldron that they used to preside over ponies' dreams. Nightmare Moon used her dark magic to corrupt it and give Celestia and every other pony nightmares in an act of revenge.


Posting for my daughter: "I think that the reason Celestia opened the school of magic was so that she could find some pony to rule Equestria after her. Just think about Sunset Shimmer: She was Celestia's student before Twilight. Her name, mane, and her yellow color all point to being a good ruler of Equestria. It makes sense that Twilight would be a second choice. Her name is a time of day that literally happens after sunset."


If you look very closely at Celestia’s crown and necklace you can see the look of the element of generosity


I think Luna may have been dream walking but hadn't told Celestia or Celestia didnt know. Despite dreamwalking Luna may had overlooked it and been jealous of her sister causing nightmare moon.


I’ve been thinking through this and this is my reason, if Luna did walk in dreams in the past the ponies would see how amazing the dream world is when Luna there they would start to love it so much that they started to sleep a lot more, celestia would notice this but would hold it in as she wanted it to be fair, but when ponies started to not notice celestia she gets jealous and would start to make the days longer and hotter, Luna gets mad and tells celestia if she makes the days longer the ponies will be tired and still won’t come out. Celestia finally looses it and turns into day breaker.....
That’s all
 Thx!

The Dreamwalking is key, can you imagine if Luna really liked helping ponies in their dreams like Pinkie pie? Celestia wouls explode as literally a princess soothe your nightmare and even help stop that being a nightmare.

Everyone: LUNA BEST PRINCESS!!!

Celestia: aight time to be the bad guy I mean pony

I like this take on it- Instead of going 'aha eternal day' right away, the gradual change is a nice touch.


i never thought of this, the level of thought you have is quite impressive


I still can't get over how epic of a name that is...<br>Daybreaker

I still can't get over how epic of a name that is...
Daybreaker


I have this theory that the two sisters in their evil forms are based on two of the seven deadly sins.

Nightmare Moon is Envy
Daybreaker is Pride.


Gasp! And it makes sense that the CMC were the first in who's dreams she appeared, they helped her discover her true meaning


I like the idea of Luna not being a “full princess” before she started to walk in dreams, like we know that before they got their flowy manes, they looked more like normal ponies. My theory is that, just like Twilight, Luna created new magic when she started to walk in dreams (like dream magic), which is what turned her into the shimmery flowy-maned Luna we all know and luv.


I always just thought the only way to make day break (or whatever her name is) to come out was if Luna was the older sister lol


I think celestial possible didn't start when her sister was with her but when she was banished, if you really want to mess up the timeline in where she depends into day breaker it would be a timeline where she was unable to get her school up because of a selfish and cunning noble pony who manipulated the other ponies to think other wise but celestial still has the power as a princess to do so. Once that noble man out of pure spite and jealousy makes celestial out to be a bad person and seeing as how quickly the other ponies will start to turn on her since they don't have a personal connection with her, like typical people will start to treat her with disrespect because she doesn't live up to their expectations anymore and she looses face, becoming bitter and in predicted realizing how much her appearance to other ponies was held in more a high regard then to individual feelings or well being, and soon starts her descent into daybreaker


Mabey Luna could always walk in dreams but never knew what to do and there for became jealous until she realised she could help the ponies in their nightmares. Just a thought 😊


Dunno if someone mentioned this already, but there is this fanfiction timeline called Lunaverse. What happened there is Celestia succeded in fixing Luna's issues or at least alleavating them so she did not go Nighmare but constant pressure from having to protect ponies caused her to think that she was the only solution to ponykind's problems, so she decided to install herself as sole queen and try to create an opressive authoritarian regime in the name of safety.


Wait, what about what you said about star swirl creating alicorns? If that theory was true then wouldn’t it make more sense for Luna to watch over dreams before she turned into Nightmare Moon? I mean, Star Swirl wouldn’t put her in charge of this realm and not tell her about it. So, one of these two theories has to be wrong. Unless it was something else that triggered Luna’s transformation

Edit: Thanks so much for all the likes!

how about this:

Star swirl makes/discovers the realms, and left celestia in charge of the alicorn realm. he might've not left luna in charge of the dream realm as she might've been a bit young for such a big job. after he goes to limbo, there's no one to give luna the responsibility (he might've not told celestia either). but after she is normal again, she discovers the realm (probably from an ancient text of star swirl) and discovers that her magic can open the doorway to it. after realizing that her strength liies in a one on one conversation, she takes charge.

Sorry, im just really bored in quarantine XD

This is getting deep.  So much theorizing to be done!

This is getting deep.  So much theorizing to be done!

Maybe Star Swirl was I’m charge of the dream realm but then once he was sent to Limbo some magic force gave it to Luna and it was never given back to him for some unknown reason.

Maybe Star Swirl was I’m charge of the dream realm but then once he was sent to Limbo some magic force gave it to Luna and it was never given back to him for some unknown reason.

The Brony Notion why can’t princess Celestia go into ponies dreams during the day ? there’s people who day dream while their awake or taking a small nap in the afternoon sometimes so can’t Celestia go to day dream world similar to princess luna  ? ^^💧

She can detach the ponies immediate surroundings, blurring and partially substituting reality by a visionary fantasy, especially one of happy, pleasant thoughts, hopes or ambitions, imagined as coming to pass, and experienced while their awake

and since princess Luna’s nightmare if it entered the real world it will cause a living nightmare, princess Celestia could bring happiness into the real world

I hope this is a good idea for another nightmare moon theory :) like maybe luna also got jealous cause since how ponies like to play out in the sun that her big sister brings, maybe when luna found out that ponies see Celestia in their day dreams too, she gets mad cause no pony ever dreams during the beautiful night she makes.

Medi we namere moon
Venec luna
Het the pawer
Tu go tu jerim?????

Medi we namere moon
Venec luna
Het the pawer
Tu go tu jerim?????

Yes, he turns them into alicorns but he doesn't tell them their destiny. Her walking in dreams is part of her destiny.

Yes, he turns them into alicorns but he doesn't tell them their destiny. Her walking in dreams is part of her destiny.

And whaFCCabout flurry heart. What did he do when she was forming in cadence

And whaFCCabout flurry heart. What did he do when she was forming in cadence

The Brony Notion 1. Maybe something caused Luna forget about the realm or 2. Luna didn’t know how to use the realm until after the transformation.

The Brony Notion 1. Maybe something caused Luna forget about the realm or 2. Luna didn’t know how to use the realm until after the transformation.

@Cameo Shadowness Each time I have nightmares I remember it because;-

>The 1st nightmare I dreamt was of me being chased by a scarecrow...like Fiddlestick kind of scarecrow and I was 12 then. I woke up just in time to see something flying outside my window. I'm paranoid of windows at night since and I swear I saw a white figure flying from my neighbour's roof the night of the week after feeling something staring at me from an empty corner.
>The 2nd nightmare was me being chased by something I can only describe as a demon complete with a flaming crown between two twisted horns and hooves for feet. I can't see its feature, only yellow goat eyes. The rest were shrouded in shadow like it was made of void. There's no way out, just hiding spot. But no matter where I hide them goat eyes will find me. The clip clop of hooves, I can still hear them even now. It was a week or so later I saw a similar image named Baphomet or something. I was around 20 then.

Now there is mind play scary dream and there is influenced nightmare. I have experienced enough supernatural and met enough supernatural sensitive people to know when its the real thing and when its not. If you ever feel like you're being stared at endlessly, almost stalker-ish, the feeling of having your very life being targeted, your sense of reality being off, your blood just drying out of you and you can feel your face getting cold from being so pale...then you know you are experiencing something inhuman and unfriendly. So yeah, I know I have nightmares TWICE because I know lucid dreaming when I experience one.

I dreamt a lot, from funny and crack-ish that Discord would be proud of, to the kind you can only see in cinema with CG animators working to their graves type of dreams. I even experienced the rare serial dreaming where your dream continued from last night's dream. I have had so much lucid dreaming its normal to wake up from it...or trying to differentiate between actually waking up from dreaming of waking up. Scary dreams can just as easily turn funny for me. But not these two dreams. I know when something influenced my dreams. Especially my second nightmare. No matter how many time I wake up and go back to sleep, I will wake up from being found by that demon. So no...I don't think I'm lucky at all...at least not for me...

@Sawtooth Waves I have a question if she walks in dreams there was a episode of her sleeping <b>WHO WALKED İN HER DREAM?</b>

@Sawtooth Waves I have a question if she walks in dreams there was a episode of her sleeping *WHO WALKED İN HER DREAM?*

I think she was told, but maybe a dark force took control of her and made her forget.

I think she was told, but maybe a dark force took control of her and made her forget.

Hey what about Chrysalis I have many questions about her I wrote a comment about it

Hey what about Chrysalis I have many questions about her I wrote a comment about it

THEORY: Star swirl knew Luna had the power just it was for her to discover later in her” career”/rulership

THEORY: Star swirl knew Luna had the power just it was for her to discover later in her” career”/rulership

@Sawtooth Waves umm if even she started walking in dreams Celestia will not be jealous she would be proud of Luna found a way to be appreciated in the pony timeline daybreaker will never eggsites

@Sawtooth Waves umm if even she started walking in dreams Celestia will not be jealous she would be proud of Luna found a way to be appreciated in the pony timeline daybreaker will never eggsites

@Sawtooth Waves hey..  Uhm I don't know if other people have told this or you have told this but this question has been haunting me since my childhood:
Should Celestia or everyone appreciate Rainbow dash since.. She created sonic rain boom and the mane 6 got their cutie marks
So that is actually why I love rainbow dash
Ok Yea.. You might not notice me but please at read this and try to tell something

Star Swirl could have been gone by the moment Celestia and Luna started their reign

Star Swirl could have been gone by the moment Celestia and Luna started their reign

My theory is that star swirl was in charge of the kingdom before Celestia's coming of age. Like, the princesses were really young when he was imprisoned. All we know is that alicorns are the strongest and so they are in charge of Equestria as royals. But they have emotions and flaws too. I actually love it in the show, when they presented everyone's flaws. Yes, Celestia could've turned into Daybreaker out of jealousy and sadness too.

@KoiaKol C JUST LIKE DIAMOND TIARA!( not in an angry way of saying, more like a pinkie pie screaming from excitement)

@KoiaKol C JUST LIKE DIAMOND TIARA!( not in an angry way of saying, more like a pinkie pie screaming from excitement)

@Cameo Shadowness people kill for money, hence why other people want it and a reason to want it, but not really needed. Other people made you need it. So in our case who made humans need/want money? Is it some single entity? Maybe.... Theres always a master mind

@Cameo Shadowness people kill for money, hence why other people want it and a reason to want it, but not really needed. Other people made you need it. So in our case who made humans need/want money? Is it some single entity? Maybe.... Theres always a master mind

For all i know the reason we are still alive  and not killing ourselves is because of  reasons. But i could be wrong. For some reasons.

For all i know the reason we are still alive  and not killing ourselves is because of  reasons. But i could be wrong. For some reasons.

But what about when Twilight turned into an Alicorn? She had no idea what her purpose was for a hot minute. Celestia was there to guide her but all the princesses told her, "Know that your time is coming soon". Plus, if you listen to Lunas part in the song, it deliberately describes her explaining that she always wanted more as a princess and she seemed to get that after she turned back from Nightmare moon. I don't think the princesses know exactly what their fulfilling purpose is until they discover it, hence him explaining how Luna found it after Nightmare moon.

@Jamih Custodio
That first example makes no sense.

Some people are just natrually drawn to some things. Some folks need it for because other things. Like Money is needed to get nessesities you can't make yourself.

@Jamih Custodio
That first example makes no sense.

Some people are just natrually drawn to some things. Some folks need it for because other things. Like Money is needed to get nessesities you can't make yourself.

For example...you wouldnt want money in the first place if others arent killing for it? For some cases people  dont want rocks unless you have a purpose or a reason? For example rock collections or you need it for display, or it makes you who you are.

For example...you wouldnt want money in the first place if others arent killing for it? For some cases people  dont want rocks unless you have a purpose or a reason? For example rock collections or you need it for display, or it makes you who you are.

@Jamih Custodio yeah true. The reason can be very complex or something super simple. We wouldn't know.

@Jamih Custodio yeah true. The reason can be very complex or something super simple. We wouldn't know.

@Cameo Shadowness who knows? But one thing i know is everything has a reason

@Cameo Shadowness who knows? But one thing i know is everything has a reason

@Jamih Custodio <br>You're acting as if people have to have a reason for wanting. Realize gow buff he gets, he could have been power hungry for the sake of it. There are ponies and such who were like that just because.

@Jamih Custodio
You're acting as if people have to have a reason for wanting. Realize gow buff he gets, he could have been power hungry for the sake of it. There are ponies and such who were like that just because.

@Cameo Shadowness true about the tirek but why? His brother that betrayed him clearly didnt need it? More than a want. So who made them want it?

@Cameo Shadowness true about the tirek but why? His brother that betrayed him clearly didnt need it? More than a want. So who made them want it?

@Jamih Custodio <br>They told the kids about Terik in the school. She mentions it in passong to trick the mane six into Tartarus. Terik did it for the magic years ago. I love how Queen Crysilis is just the question.

@Jamih Custodio
They told the kids about Terik in the school. She mentions it in passong to trick the mane six into Tartarus. Terik did it for the magic years ago. I love how Queen Crysilis is just the question.

The big BIG question is what caused her to be evil....why get jealous? Something caused it.... Maybe someone manipulated her on the dream realm who told trixie about the alicorn medalion, how did starlight found that scroll? Discord....how did he exist? Who introduced cozy glow to tirek? Why did tirek and storm king invade? Who made sombra bitter?  Queen Crysalis.....? Luckily diamond tiara didnt get influenced by this unkown being, because her ability is OP.

@Belle Noire that's actually what I thought! Maybe she got it after fully maturing...

@Belle Noire that's actually what I thought! Maybe she got it after fully maturing...

@Secret Moon gonna be honest, you are brining up great points, this conversation is amazing but under the circumstances I'm in I'm not sure if I can give you proper follow ups. If I don't respond or have a weird responce- sorry in advance. The chaos is picking up over here. I wish we can keep talking but not sure if we can. For now, peace.

@Secret Moon not always true.  On top of that we have been shown she hates being forced to smile and deal with others to an extent. She even went out her way to crown multiple princesses for other duties and such like Cadance and Twilight herself.
The fact that there were already other princesses and princes (Blue Blood) shows that Celestia doesn't mind sharing to vatious degrees. She understands having more people helps ease things to various egrees. She learned this over the years.

If Celestia didn't learn through the 1000 she had to rule without Luna, she would have very dfferent expectations. Especially when Luna is going out of her way to help many other ponies but her.

@Cameo Shadowness well, I would think that the more Celestia has to suppress, the more it is easy for her to break. But that could depend on one's interpretation. It's mental health issue, it's hard to tell when one would snap.

@Cameo Shadowness well, I would think that the more Celestia has to suppress, the more it is easy for her to break. But that could depend on one's interpretation. It's mental health issue, it's hard to tell when one would snap.

@Secret Moon it can be yours yet you can have multiple folks under you. Twilight had Spike and Sunset in her castle yet it was still HER castle.

@Secret Moon it can be yours yet you can have multiple folks under you. Twilight had Spike and Sunset in her castle yet it was still HER castle.

@Secret Moon you bring up hood points.

The difference is that back then Celestia wouldn't have to surpress as much because she didn't have to pull as many duties forcing her to be one specific way. She isn't ruling alone for 1000 years in that alt. Our Celestia had to keep peace for 1000 years on her own forcing herself to behave a specific way and thus adapting a different mentality when it comes to worship and such.

@Cameo Shadowness Because she has stated multiple times in the show that the dream is "her realm" and she is the only one who can do it. Raising and lowering the sun and moon aren't something exclusive, it just needs immense power. Like Celestia could do the moon as well. But if like you say dream magic isn't something exclusive for Luna but just some common spell others invented and Luna just picked it up since she came back, there is no reason for her to state so conclusively that those like Celestia and Twilight have no power over it before even let them try to learn the same book she learned from. Also, in "A Royal Problem" when she switched cutie mark with Celestia, her dream walking power switched to her sister as well, showing that it's something attached to her special talent, not some spells she just learned.

@Cameo Shadowness  Of course we are all assuming here. These are all just head canons we are throwing at each other. I only reminded you in my previous comment that you were also assuming because before that you stated as fact that she would (quote) "in no doubt" know ponies loved dreaming and her transformation pointless, while it is not certain at all.

And what Luna did in my theory isn't essentially "mean things". She did it with a good purpose, and desperate time pushed one to find desperate measures. Remember "the Heart's Warming Tale"? Snowfall Frost's story might very well be modeled after a true event. Remember the evil sorceress who made the Memory Stone? Remember the alicorn amulet? One moderately powerful unicorn turning bad could give serious damage, and in Equestria back then ponies weren't as (arguably) uniformly moral and kind like now. Yes, Celestia and Luna could take out big threats, but not before ponies were hurt. The dream spying was a preventive measure. Not only to fight crime, it would have been extremely powerful to be used in possible wars like the one with king Sombra, and could have saved thousands of lives. Think of it like Batman building the phone eavesdropping system in The Dark Knight. It's a morally grey area. No need for Luna to actually abuse her power. Even if she acted appropriately and only invaded the mind of suspicious ponies, the common folks wouldn't have trusted it and been comforted with the idea of the princess digging around in their mind at all. What good was a few dozen ponies who loved her, if the majority of the country protested, shunned and verbally attacked her, especially when she believed she was doing all this hard work for a good cause? In my opinion, this theory would treat Luna's character much better than the theory that she turned Nightmare Moon just because she was bored and had no one to talk with because she didn't know dream walking.

I read your comments again but couldn't find the part you discussed about mental health and such. What's the difference regarding Celestia's mentality between Luna learning about dream walking in the past as compared to now? In the past Celestia would also have million who worshiped her, probably even harder than now given how superstitious people in the past were. Why would Celestia turn Daybreaker then and not now according to that logic?

@Secret Moon how are you sure no one could have taught Luna that? We thought no one else other than Celestia could have raised the sun but low and behold- other ponies did before her. Luna isn't the only pony who is shown to go through dimensions at all. Yes she has a specific one to herself for now, just like Celestia but how can you say litterally no one else could have possibly taught her at all. Other ponies are able to somewhat control their dreams, other ponies have night/dream related cutie marks. Luna may be the BEST at it, but how can you say she's the ONLY one?

Maybe Luna used to look after ponies' dreams in a more superficial way, only as an espectator, and only thought of making contact with them during their dreams after she came back.

Maybe Luna used to look after ponies' dreams in a more superficial way, only as an espectator, and only thought of making contact with them during their dreams after she came back.

@Secret Moon
I am assiming SOME ponies will love her. Not everyone. Not everyone remembers their dreams and for those who do, not all will love their dreams.

Also you're assuming she would have used her powers to do those mean things. Yes equestria wasn't as stable back then but jumping from let me help folks to stealing secrets of others is completely different things. Also I HIGHLY doubt that dark magic users and such would be true beck than despite it's instablity they had limits bacl then and Celestia and Luna was shown and known to take out big threats and Celestia is known to go out and help with Problems like Timber Wolves meaning she would have also delt with those folks.

Also no, the argument that she didn't have it back then isn't to say Celestia would just go evil. It's to explain how and why she would feel so alone. Think about it, if she interacted with dozens of people a night, there is no way she WOULDN'T have met folks who loved and enjoied the night and dreaming. Why would she turn evil if she can see first hand people loving it?

Also no again with the daybreaker one. Celestia has thousands- arguably millions of ponies who love her across Equestria, she is always shown constantly having to interact with many herself. She wouldn't be that kind of petty. If you read my comments it wasn't about her being jeolous, it was her not getting the mental help from Luna she needed back then. HUGE difference.

@Cameo Shadowness First, the keyword in your comment is "learn". Yes you don't need extensive experience if someone else has already made it and you can learn it from them or read it in a book, like Twilight learned to do time travel by just reading Starswirl's scroll. Luna's dream magic is a type of magic exclusive only to herself. No one else could have made it for her. In this sense, it's not "learning" but more of "inventing". And you can only invent something if you have extensive experience and experimenting with it. I find it hardly believable that she could invent such a sophisticated field of magic when she has just discovered it recently.

Second, dream sharing spell is completely different from just entering someone's dream. You have to connect them and draw them into a same dream environment (if you have watched Inception, it's the job of the architect), and they can even interact with each other in that dream. It's not a normal dream, and the magic to make that must be completely different, not just a boosted-up normal dream walking spell.

Third, even when disregarding the second point, there's still Luna's remark that she had never done it with so many ponies, which means she had done it many times before; this is not the first time. I don't believe there is any special instance since she came back that requires her to do such a thing, which means those instances happened before she went Nightmare Moon.

Forth, you are assuming that had Luna known dream walking before Nightmare Moon, ponies must have loved her and she would not have turned Nightmare Moon. That's completely uncertain, because it depends on what she used her dream magic for. Yes ponies would have loved her if she only used dream magic to dispel nightmare and teach foals. However, if she used it to invade mind and learn other's intimate secrets like I explained, obviously there would have been riots on the street. Equestria back then was not as stable as it is today. Crimimals, traitors and dark magic users could be rampaging, giving her the justification to employ/abuse her magic for "good cause". So, the fact that she knew dream walking before Nightmare Moon could have made ponies hate her instead of loving her, and became the cause of her transformation. It actually explained quite a lot about her fall instead of just petty jealousy.

Finally, all of these arguments that Luna didn't know dream walking before Nightmare Moon is just to support the idea that if she had known it, it would have been Celestia who turned crazy from jealousy. As I discussed, this idea is nonsense. It's not like Celestia's personality to be that petty at all, and in case she was actually that petty, she would have turned Daybreaker during the show for being shadowed by Luna and Twilight.

@Secret Moon
You don't need to have a long life of experience to learn that 1 thing is dangerous, someone can't do something or that she really knew how to share dreams. The dream sharing could easily be explained by being litterally the same spell but with a bigger broadcast.

Also if she had such a long life time of dream walking- she would in no doubt know that people remember her dreams and people loved dreaming- again making her transformation. In the show pointless.

@James Madison <br>I kind like to think that it was passed on to Spike and he uses it every now and again because he also has to help Twilight. I could very easily be wrong but the job was neglected for 1000 years (unless Someone secretly picked it up) and thus while the job is good for people, it isn't 100% needed and thus could be dropped entirely.

@James Madison
I kind like to think that it was passed on to Spike and he uses it every now and again because he also has to help Twilight. I could very easily be wrong but the job was neglected for 1000 years (unless Someone secretly picked it up) and thus while the job is good for people, it isn't 100% needed and thus could be dropped entirely.

@The Phoenix 3000 I don't know which comment you're responding to.

@The Phoenix 3000 I don't know which comment you're responding to.

@Jamih Custodio
Yeah, there are different things that made me choke. One, I was actually fighting someone so they were choking me. Two, I had breathed in while I was eating. Three, I was being oushed under water and was it me actually drowing.

Also I have so many in one night, I can't write them all down. Like I averafe around 3-7 dreams a night but it easily goes over that and it's just too over whelming to write it al down. Was even told at one point to write them less so the nightmares would get out of my head quicker. Also wouldn't be sirprized if I missed many, dreams are wild and what blurs the line between what is counted as one dream or not iz very messy.

@soonergirl997 yeah, ... but what is he did make the alicorns

@soonergirl997 yeah, ... but what is he did make the alicorns

True... but maybe star swirl didn’t make them alicorns...?

True... but maybe star swirl didn’t make them alicorns...?

@The Brony Notion     This theory of yours isn't sound at all.  It would be strange for Luna to discover dream walking just recently when she has so much knowledge about it. Remember "Do princesses dream of magic sheep"? She knew what power the Tantabus has, she knew Celestia has no power over dream, she knew how to make shared dreams. She even remarked that she had never done it with so many ponies, which means she had used it many times before. These evidences point to the fact that Luna has a life long knowledge of dream walking, not just recently.

I have a better theory about how Luna turned into Nightmare Moon, one that I plan to write a fanfic about but has never had time to. And it's much darker than you think. Do you know the movie "Inception"? Yes, what Luna was doing with her dream walking is essentially the same: extracting private thoughts and desires from ponies' dreams and even put ideas in their heads through dreams (similar to what she did with the CMC, but in a more discrete way). At one point in history, she might have done it for the purpose of routing out criminals/traitors or something along the line, but obviously ponies wouldn't like it. They might have protested and even rioted against her, which might have led to her feeling insulted, unappreciated for the work she had done (she still thought she did right) and jealousy against her sister, and ultimately Nightmare Moon.

Now why doesn't the book about Nightmare Moon mention this? Obviously it has something to do with censorship from a certain alicorn, who doesn't want ponies to remember the sinister things about her sister. What about Luna? Why hasn't she mentioned this once? She might have been hiding it per her sister request, or the Elements might have wiped out this memory that was the root of her turning into Nightmare Moon from her. In an even more conspiracy theory, it may have something to do with Celestia herself (cough... the Memory Stone... cough...). There are a lot of possibilities here.

Also, I don't think Celestia would turn into Daybreaker just because Luna became more connected with the common ponies and she was stuck with the annoying nobles. It sounds farfetched, and not like her personality at all. Also, if that was a possibility, she would have turned into Daybreaker one of these days already, after Luna returned and dream walked all over Equestria. Some may say having Twilight has something to do with it. But imo, if anything, it would only increase the chance if you go along with that logic, since now the common ponies would have 2 favorite princesses and Celestia would be pushed further down the rank and only serve as a nagging hub for the nobles.

@The Phoenix 3000 Yeah, it depends on what happened to Luna and Celestia. If they are still alive, then Luna may still walk into dreams (however, it doesn't seem very plausible, since Luna and Tia wanted to have a rest from their royal duties). I prefer to think that they either gave up their immortality or weren't immortal at all, they were just extremely long-lived and their life ended soon after Twilight's coronation. If this is true, there'll be only two options: either somepony will have to replace Luna or nopony will walk into dreams and ponies will suffer from nightmares (this had happened when Luna was on the Moon, I guess). I don't think Twilight will be able to walk into dreams - she's in charge of the whole kingdom and has a lot of duties. She needs to sleep, she can't work both during the day and the night.

@Cameo Shadowness oh sorry i didnt mean to offend you. Let me clarify. Ahmm you say many of your dreams not ALL of your dreams so in a way you still have forgotten some dreams... Or maybe alot of dreams, who knows youve forgotten them. And i was copying how discord execute his speaches which i added have a little diacord in your life, not actual discord in your life. And  you did choke in your dream... What did made you choke ? Do you remember the dream?

@Dark Warrior ooh and who is the one corrupting every pony? Who knows, maybe all of this was done by 1 single entity from season 0 to 9.

@Dark Warrior ooh and who is the one corrupting every pony? Who knows, maybe all of this was done by 1 single entity from season 0 to 9.

Oooh I want to transform it's cool but not a evil transform

Oooh I want to transform it's cool but not a evil transform

This isn't my theory but it fits with my theory:
The black blob behind luna's cutiemark stayed when tirek took thier magic away, and if you look at day breaker you'll see behind the sun is fire🔥

So the way it fits with my theory is that luna was corrupted by a shadow pony just like stygian (and if you look at their transformations it looks very similar)
Abd that black blob is the shadow pony, just like that fire on daybreaker's cutie mark would be a shadow pony or something else

And my guess is after she became NIGHTMARE moon she was able to walk in the dream realm

@Cameo Shadowness But I think it has something to do with it

@Cameo Shadowness But I think it has something to do with it

@James Madison that doesn't mean she won't be walking in their dreams. Or maybe twilight gets an amulet for that as well

@James Madison that doesn't mean she won't be walking in their dreams. Or maybe twilight gets an amulet for that as well

@Cameo Shadowness Maybe she didn't know how

@Cameo Shadowness Maybe she didn't know how

@Cameo Shadowness I like that idea. We know his teachings were interrupted since the sisters refered to assignments they owed him haha, thanks!

@Cameo Shadowness I like that idea. We know his teachings were interrupted since the sisters refered to assignments they owed him haha, thanks!

@Jamih Custodio
1) you don't know me at all.
2) "have a little discord" what the hell is that even suppose to mean?
3) yes this is heavily edited from what it was before. No reason to explain myself to a nobody like you.

@Jamih Custodio
1) you don't know me at all.
2) "have a little discord" what the hell is that even suppose to mean?
3) yes this is heavily edited from what it was before. No reason to explain myself to a nobody like you.

@Cameo Shadowness is what you say. But that doeant mean its true, have a little discord in Your life.

@Cameo Shadowness is what you say. But that doeant mean its true, have a little discord in Your life.

@Jamih Custodio <br>I would know if I see Luna, I remember many of my dreams and even keep a dream journal.

@Jamih Custodio
I would know if I see Luna, I remember many of my dreams and even keep a dream journal.

@Cameo Shadowness wait i think you have a sickness, ask if you snore very load, or you sound like choking if you snore....if you do, luna is actually telling you to go to a doctor...you just forgot  that part of your dream.

@Cameo Shadowness wait i think you have a sickness, ask if you snore very load, or you sound like choking if you snore....if you do, luna is actually telling you to go to a doctor...you just forgot  that part of your dream.

@Jamih Custodio i woke up accidentally choking myself multiple times because of my nightmares on multiple occassions, not always though some nightmares just wake me up and prevent me from sleeping until the next day. I now use my dog to help me but I still get nightmares very often.

@Cameo Shadowness i had 5 and 3 of them almost killed me hahaha i dont know the wnglish term for bangungot ( a dream that can kill you) a fat lady was pressing down on me, a cold fucking hand grabbed me and apparently i saw buggy man while im awake, and when i slept. Damn that fat lady again sat on me.

@inbetween 1-0 imagine helping that pony and the next time you helped that same pony, that pony forgot you ever helped, and your conversation with that said pony happens again, making your experience a rewind.

@inbetween 1-0 imagine helping that pony and the next time you helped that same pony, that pony forgot you ever helped, and your conversation with that said pony happens again, making your experience a rewind.

@inbetween 1-0 <br>You only had nightmares TWICE? Lucky as fuck. Like seriously lucky.

@inbetween 1-0
You only had nightmares TWICE? Lucky as fuck. Like seriously lucky.

Nah. Remember Celestia doing Luna's duty? Even she barely able to stay sane doing a VERY LONELY DUTY where everyone's asleep. Also dreams are seldom remembered, so Luna must have felt forgotten whenever she walk up to some pony she helped but nopony remember her in their dream. Also, nightmares don't always occur while dreaming so her job really is very lonely. I mean I dream all the time but I don't recall details much and I know I have had nightmares only TWICE in my life.

So basically Luna's job caused her to suffer from selfdoubt and Nightmare Moon are born out of all these elements. She's talking to herself in a realm where she's barely have to directly interfere. Maybe most ponies only dream of Celestia in the good ones. Dreams are honest after all so Luna must have seen or heard things that painted her in a bad light or compared to Celestia. Imagine having to face this elements over and over, with ponies laughing around Celestia and ignoring Luna. Also, it was shown that Celestia is too happy for the tired and stressed out Luna in the morning.

So mix in all these elements of Luna self-doubt and Celestia's happiness whenever they met between morning and night, with the court ponies ignoring Luna in favour of Celestia....boom! Nightmare Moon is born.

@Sawtooth Waves
It could be that it was randomly discorvered on Celestia's end when she tried studying Starswirl's dimension spell/s. Maybe thisnis how she discorvered her dimension and the dream dimension, later giving it to Luna so she to know the love ponies have for the night and then Luna realized the nightmares and decided to act on it. This way she makes up for her turn to Nightmare Moon.

Another take is that Starswirl DID assign it but the problem with Stigion was the reason he couldn't teach the spell proper to either of them and then this ties to Celestia refinding it after the years and the rest goes like what I said before.

There goes my take.

yeah i guess it's hard to believe she'd never think to use that ability to her advantage.. maybe this new timeline really is incompatible with Starswirl assigning them realms. Open to ideas on this 🤔

yeah i guess it's hard to believe she'd never think to use that ability to her advantage.. maybe this new timeline really is incompatible with Starswirl assigning them realms. Open to ideas on this 🤔

Well, that was just a small part of the theory, and really, she could have just learned that magic at any point if he didn't just tell them to also watch over other dimensions. Plus, it seems weird that Celestia would be told to watch over a dimension that we know nothing about and only seems to hold memories.

@Cameo Shadowness <br>I think you are right 😊😊😊

@Cameo Shadowness
I think you are right 😊😊😊

@N̶O̶R̶A̶ yes but if you look at the episode where we see her turn into nightmare moon (forgot which one) she already had that. On top of that you also see it when the sisters first find the elements as well. It didn't come after Night Mare Moon, it simple is just a part of Luna.

@Cameo Shadowness but in The episode (twilight kingdom) When all the Princesses cutemarke gone luna Still Have dark spots . this Means it Not part of luna cutemarke .

@Cameo Shadowness but in The episode (twilight kingdom) When all the Princesses cutemarke gone luna Still Have dark spots . this Means it Not part of luna cutemarke .

@N̶O̶R̶A̶ No, she had it before she turned. Look at the flashbacks.

@N̶O̶R̶A̶ No, she had it before she turned. Look at the flashbacks.

@Sawtooth Waves Look at Daybreaker cutemarke 🌞 . it look like luna cutemarke . this Means luna get the Black spot in her cutemarke After turning to nightmare moon . luna cutemarke is Just moon 🌙 !!!!!

@Sawtooth Waves Look at Daybreaker cutemarke 🌞 . it look like luna cutemarke . this Means luna get the Black spot in her cutemarke After turning to nightmare moon . luna cutemarke is Just moon 🌙 !!!!!

Ya maybe she wasn’t power enough to do that yet and stars swirl couldn’t help her or show her to do it  because he was sent to limbo and eventually after nightmare moon she figured it out and it was strong enough and the rest was history

Ya maybe she wasn’t power enough to do that yet and stars swirl couldn’t help her or show her to do it  because he was sent to limbo and eventually after nightmare moon she figured it out and it was strong enough and the rest was history

@James Madison thats what i meant when i said shes like diamond tiara. Doing it wrong, star swirl did his way wrong aswell. Banish a friend.

@James Madison thats what i meant when i said shes like diamond tiara. Doing it wrong, star swirl did his way wrong aswell. Banish a friend.

We know that Star Swirl didn't understand friendship and emotions very well. Perhaps he just taught Luna how to throw spells that could stop the nightmares. He didn't think that interacting with ponies was necessary. That's why ponies didn't notice Luna's help. At least that's my theory. <br>Btw, I wonder who will protect ponies from nightmares, now that Luna no longer rules Equestria.

We know that Star Swirl didn't understand friendship and emotions very well. Perhaps he just taught Luna how to throw spells that could stop the nightmares. He didn't think that interacting with ponies was necessary. That's why ponies didn't notice Luna's help. At least that's my theory.
Btw, I wonder who will protect ponies from nightmares, now that Luna no longer rules Equestria.

Remember diamond tiara? She had a cutie mark and got it wrong.  Riiiight?

Remember diamond tiara? She had a cutie mark and got it wrong.  Riiiight?

But maybe it was for Luna too discover her self like how twilight became and alicorn she had to do most of the steps

But maybe it was for Luna too discover her self like how twilight became and alicorn she had to do most of the steps

Alek Martin Maybe but then what would the point be? If she was just watching the dreams then what would she actually be doing when somepony had a nightmare? If she saw a pony that needed help with something like that, I see her as the kind of pony to help instead of just watching them

@Maxine :) maybe she wasn't powerful enough yet and needed to fully mature to use it, which she did after returning.

@Maxine :) maybe she wasn't powerful enough yet and needed to fully mature to use it, which she did after returning.

@Sawtooth Waves mabie she didnt know how to use it

@Sawtooth Waves mabie she didnt know how to use it

@- blxssom bear - Luna may have only watched the ponies' dreams and not interacted with them.

@- blxssom bear - Luna may have only watched the ponies' dreams and not interacted with them.

@Sawtooth Waves <br>But I feel like that would be really stupid due to the fact that folks love dreaming. If she wants interaction with folks and can do it in dreams yet refused to and trows a tantrum how no one likes her night- it's pretty stupid. At least the way I view it.

@Sawtooth Waves
But I feel like that would be really stupid due to the fact that folks love dreaming. If she wants interaction with folks and can do it in dreams yet refused to and trows a tantrum how no one likes her night- it's pretty stupid. At least the way I view it.

The Brony Notion Oh. That makes a lot of sense.

The Brony Notion Oh. That makes a lot of sense.

i cut out a line that included that, it just didn't fit in (maybe i should have made it work), but excellent point! I think Luna may have had the ability, but didn't think of using it on a large scale until after nightmare moon

i cut out a line that included that, it just didn't fit in (maybe i should have made it work), but excellent point! I think Luna may have had the ability, but didn't think of using it on a large scale until after nightmare moon


My theory is that Nightmare moon taught Luna how to dream walk ... like shes a spirit who usually took care of dreams but took control of Luna's body when she snapped from jealousy but while stuck on the moon they were able to communicate and Luna learned from nightmare


I think it would be neat to see timeliness were Luna is head princess and Daybreaker is in the sun,with Luna having to rule without Celestia, one where both princesses turn evil and rule together, or one where Daybreaker wins and rules.


i think she “turned” into day breaker bc celestia got luna’s black splotch which i think is the remainder of luna’s dark side and her dark magic. and so when they switch cutie marks, celestia got luna’s powers and her dark magic. also when the princesses where giving twilight there magic in twilight’s kingdom, luna only gave her good magic, since her black splotch remanded.


Soooo... I have a question that shouldve been brought up. <br>would Daybreaker be imprisoned in the sun? and if so, wouldvnt that make ponies wonder more why there was suddenly a pony shaped mark on the sun, as there was the mare in the moon when nightmare moon?

Soooo... I have a question that shouldve been brought up.
would Daybreaker be imprisoned in the sun? and if so, wouldvnt that make ponies wonder more why there was suddenly a pony shaped mark on the sun, as there was the mare in the moon when nightmare moon?


Lauren Faust: Day Breaker
Sawtooth: Nightmare Noon
Me: Solar Flare Celestia

Lauren Faust: Day Breaker
Sawtooth: Nightmare Noon
Me: *Solar Flare Celestia*

@Emma Malagayo English probably isn't their first language. Translation: They're saying that kid Twilight accidentally used magic at Celestia's magic school which cause terrible things to happen and made Celestia "Like a fire".<br>I think it's their theory about how Daybreaker would come into existence.

@Emma Malagayo English probably isn't their first language. Translation: They're saying that kid Twilight accidentally used magic at Celestia's magic school which cause terrible things to happen and made Celestia "Like a fire".
I think it's their theory about how Daybreaker would come into existence.

@SkyJet. com Translation: Twilight went to Celestia's school of magic/friendship when she was little and accidentally used magic, which made terrible things happen and caused Celestia to become like a fire

@Siri's Personal Assistant "I think Celestia can handle... when Twilight was little she goes to Celestia's school she wants to open and then Twilight accidentally used magic and it made terrible things happen, including making Celestia become like a fire" is what they're trying to say I believe. English probably isn't their first language.

Luna : night mare moon <br>Celestia : morning mare sun

Luna : night mare moon
Celestia : morning mare sun

Solar Flare is just a another name for f*ta Celestia 😂👌

@cesqorange you can use youtube! theres a person on youtube called Letupia and they made playlists of every season :)

@Siri's Personal Assistant yes <br>Hi sorry to hear that I didn’t have time for a little while but maybe we can FaceTime tomorrow or call you when you can get a little while I don’t have any money I wanna was the night you got me to come over for dinner I just got home I got a call and got to get my dog and then you got kicked off and then you got to get them to call you back in a bit I will need you and then you got a call from your mom is that I wanna do I need your name for your help or you are going out for

@Siri's Personal Assistant yes
Hi sorry to hear that I didn’t have time for a little while but maybe we can FaceTime tomorrow or call you when you can get a little while I don’t have any money I wanna was the night you got me to come over for dinner I just got home I got a call and got to get my dog and then you got kicked off and then you got to get them to call you back in a bit I will need you and then you got a call from your mom is that I wanna do I need your name for your help or you are going out for

@FNaF and ROTTMNT fan I like nightmare noon better because it’s like a bad day dream or nap

@genz production Tia mega evolves?!  Cool!

your name for her: Solar Flare Celestia
rating: 10/10

my name for her: Daymare Sun
rating: 1/10

Let's face it, you're much more a professional at nicknames than I am. 😁

Day breaker? The opposite would be night healer

Solar flare is actually a very great name than day breaker

There are 3 ponies in my opinion. One is nightmare star who lives in an alternate universe. Then daybreaker and THEN there's solar flare.

Actually...

Lauren Faust: Daybreaker
Sawtooth: Mightmare Noon
Me: Solar Flare Celestia

Actually...

Lauren Faust: Daybreaker
Sawtooth: Mightmare Noon
Me: *Solar Flare Celestia*

@Srikanth Rao wtf correct your spelling that is incorrect

Solar Flare Noon or Solar Mare Noon. Those would make sense

What about her epic evil form name: InfernoSolaria

Me :walking marshmallows roaster<br>Sorry I just wanted to join the joke :3

Me :walking marshmallows roaster
Sorry I just wanted to join the joke :3

@FNaF and ROTTMNT fan Ashley h: <b>cough cough</b> Remembernce.

@FNaF and ROTTMNT fan Ashley h: *cough cough* Remembernce.

Hi please help a matie here, so what website can I use to watch my little pony season 7 to season 9?On netfix there's only six seasons so please reply if you know.

@Srikanth Rao did you try touch typing for the first time or something because i cannot understand that no matter how hard i try

@Emer Espadero shes saying what people call Daybreaker and saying that that's what she calls her

he said Might Mare Noon not Nightmare Noon

P.S i love your idea of calling her Solar Flare

i.think.selcetya.can.handle.twilhte.when.she.was......little.go.to.princess.celstya.school.she.want.open🏢 school then twiligte adacalantle use magic happened to terrabun things and become a like fire i dont no her name but it's acalee like that

Who is solar flare Celestia? It can be day breaker


Its actually kinda easy to know why celestia went mad, its just like what she said she's afraid this is what would happen if we continue to fight aka starlight glimmer is afraid . Its in the episode of when starlight was called for a friendship quest . The reasone why celestia became daybreaker is because luna & celestia kept on having a fight like luna but only once.


I don't think jealousy can be Daybreaker's trigger. Celestia is different from Luna. She has a different story, and a different character. As Starlight Glimmer's dream indicates, Daybreaker's trigger seems to be power (That of Glimmer is obviously a dream, but a dream created by a logical mind). Celestia is extremely powerful, but she always seems to restrain from using her power. She doesn't fight, she doesn't ever really rule (her "ruling" seems to be largely limited to public relations). She may consider to use her power like Gandalf and Galadriel considered to touch the one ring. She would have had the temptation to use it for good, and then she would have been lost, because the "needs of the many" would have always required for anyone to act as she wanted, willing or not, and so "to get rid of anypony who stands in your way".


3:20
I don't think one is better than the other. I think both are needed. One is a goal to strive for and a force to keep things in check. The other is one to pick you up when down and help you move forward. One to push you forward and the other stopping you from doing the wrong things.
It's why the diarchy works so well since each sister can just concentrate on the 1 thing they do well and leave the other things to their sister.


Luna’s Dream walking is like lucid dreaming. I wish I could do it. 😔


Ok someone has to say this...epic intro.

@Sawtooth Waves thanks for the ♥. I appreciate it. No problem with the brohoof. Since I'm still kind of new to my channel, would you mind giving me some pointers on what to do when you first start doing a channel? And to help with the pointers, you could watch what I have so far on my channel, if you want. Sorry for the long reply. LOL. 😁 #BronyNotionIsAwesome

@Ruby Rosepetal probably not with the ending since cards make that difficult nowadays, but I'm keeping the brohoof! ^^ I'm glad you like it, and i wanted a new intro that didn't have my old silhouette logo, i found it pretentious

si kitty I was looking for this comment!

I like it, too, but it ain’t familiar... ...But seriously, I’m not used to it, so the original one is better.

@Sawtooth Waves I love the intro do much! What inspired you to change it like that? Also, are you going to continue to do brohoof and have the little funnies at the end like the one with the royal guards? Alicorns!

thank you so much!!! I'm proud of how it came out. I took the original "frieeeeends" thing i used to do and rewrote it with  j a z z  and then threw a bunch of rainbow gifs together XD


Daybreakers started to be jealous then she kept on putting it to the side and then she gave into the darkness.No Luna gave into the darkness of her soul just like if Daybreaker gave into the darkness of her so then she would be banished into the sun.


So...Instead of the Celestial era, we’d have the Lunar era? Sweet.


when did luna started dream walking? consider the following.

we don't see luna "learning" to dream walk, we don't see her being surprised of dream walking, and we see (in ep' 2) that celestia is not surprised to see luna, and is openly accepting of her.  Celestia, while having taken over Luna's job of raising the moon, has never done dream walking before.

what does this mean?
1. Celestia had already patched things up with luna
2. Luna had already been doing dream walking for a while now

theory?
what if, in trying to reach out to the ponies, while being trapped on the moon, Luna figured out dream walking?
what if through dream walking, Luna was able to talk to Celestia?


I just wanna say this, so, nightmare moon was trapped in the moon for a thousand years, that means Celestia has been waiting that long too, so, does that mean Celestia and Luna are over a thousand years old?


<b>Negative Spectrum Celestia</b> : DAMN THAT'S A COLOUR PALLET FUEL!

*Negative Spectrum Celestia* : DAMN THAT'S A COLOUR PALLET FUEL!

ya and I think Luna and Celestia's mom had a similar curse she could not use magic and free Luna from the moon for 1000 years just like Luna she could not get back from the moon she could only come back till 1000 years wait she could get off the moon in a day she is a alicorn she could just teleport back in ponyvil in one day she a alicorn she has magic and can teleport she could return in a day because after a day everyone thinks THINKS that nightmare moon is gone now I think that if she did that and teleported back in that time line that starlight made that's what would have happened the mane six was not there and she could teleport I think that time line is the case sawtooth do you like me the-ere

@shiroo白夕 i forgot it was a kids show for a moment there

@Sawtooth Waves you know that place where celestia turned twilight into alicjrn I think it is the dream land eo maybe if twilight Wright's spells and stuff in it it will create the fire explosion and take her back to dream land please reply and have a think of maybe even doing a video of it please also stay safe from covid 19 love you

I inverted daybreaker and it looked liked nightmare moon

@Sawtooth Waves  yup. I thought that was cool, though.

yeah inverted Nightmare Moon looks a tad like day breaker but inverted Celestia looks NOTHING like Luna 😂 oh well


I think it is kinda sweet, that celestia sent  luna to her favorite place <3


Why is it that I would like to see how MLP would have change if Celestial turned rogue instead of Luna?


I think Celestia opened her school after Luna was banished to fill in the gap of personal relationships that went missing, only Celestia doesn't have rule over the dream realm so she had to do her best option.


SAWTOOTH!!! I NEED YOU TO NOTICE THIS!!!! As we know, the elements have been destroyed in Equestria, but is that the case with the human world?! Watch The Legend of Everfree. After all of them embraced their true self, the gems from the necklace of the villain each went to one specific girl wich is coincidentally THE SAME COLOUR OF THEIR COAT, well more like skin. They are also gems like the elements originally were. Please look into this!!!!!!!!!!!


What if Luna did walk in dreams before, but she still got jealous because no one had dreams of any appreciation for her, and only appreciated Celestia. Like they were dreaming about all the fun they were gonna have when they woke up?


So I don't think that just because Luna started to dream walk before Nightmare Moon it would affect Celestia because Celestia didn't even know that Luna could dream walk until Starlight switch their cutie marks because Celestia didn't know what Luna tuckered out Luna


If someone did go back in time to tell Luna she can dream walk, there would be no summer sun celebration(the celebration of night mare moons banishment) which means twilight wouldn’t meet the other mane six and well you see how this goes. They wouldn’t be able to save equestria multiple times


We know that the historical memory is flawed. What ponies know as history is not really what happened, but a storry that got parts distorted, forgotten and other parts spiced up...<br>Can we really know that daybreaker never ever happened?

We know that the historical memory is flawed. What ponies know as history is not really what happened, but a storry that got parts distorted, forgotten and other parts spiced up...
Can we really know that daybreaker never ever happened?


I thought her explanation that, "I am the princess of the night, thus it is my duty to appear in your dreams" implied that she had been doing this since she had her role as princess of the night, but maybe I was too presumptuous there.

@Sawtooth Waves You've got a point there.

in this new lens that line can be interpreted as Luna claiming the identity of dream keeper after searching for a deeper identity.


imma be honest, in modern times there are plenty of ponies to enjoy the night even without the dream walking, i myself am a night owl


I have a question why when Luna reformed she had short hair and non ethereal hair but, the next season it was long and was ethereal.  🤔


But what about the episode twilight became an alicorn? Celestia was in some other ‘mind scape’ that’s kind of similar to Luna’s dream hopping, wasn’t she?


My thoughts: What if the dream with daybreaker was a sign of the future? Now don't get me wrong I dont think people can see the future in dreams. But in the pony world they might. I really think that if they made another season they would have celestia be jealous of her sister and then turn into daybreaker. Much like Luna


“Might Mare Noon! Please, hold your applause”

*cant hold applause*

“Might Mare Noon! Please, hold your applause”

**cant hold applause**

@heyyoualri #proudofliam Nightmare Moon is evil Luna.<br>Might Mare Noon is what Mr. Waves calls Daybreaker.

@heyyoualri #proudofliam Nightmare Moon is evil Luna.
Might Mare Noon is what Mr. Waves calls Daybreaker.

It’s Night Mare Moon not Might Mare Moon


Again, the comics filled in a lot of details. As to whether she could walk in dreams, The Journal of the 2 Sisters doesn't speak to her doing dream walking.

I think you are missing the fact that all of us have a negative side to us. They just had fun with it. So, think you are thinking too linearly & ignoring pony/human nature.


I think this video shows the motives of these evil transformations, and i dont know as much as you do about equestria, mlp etc. but i i have a theory about how daybreaker and nightmare moon are really connected? I think that daybreaker and nightmare moon aren’t separate ponys possessing celestia and luna, i think they are one formed thing, maybe some sort of evil magical that can possess ponies like how stygian and the darkness merged to one. Wait... what if... the darkness made a comeback? The darkness was a mysterious and shadowy entity that we know is capable of merging itself to other ponies and having somewhat control over them before getting defeated and sent back to the shadowy areas of equestria to ‘regain’ its power, meaning it could’ve regained it after all that time. So, what if ‘the darkness’ fully regained its powers and capabilities and gained somewhat control on celestia and luna turning them into daybreaker and nightmare moon? It could be possibly that the darkness merged itself with celestia and luna but then got banished once again after nightmare moon but came back for a comeback once again with celestia and then got banished again? Reply to me and tell me if im wrong, but this is my theory :)


I agree with you Luna must have started dreamwalking after her transfermation back into Luna


this theory actually  makes sense whoever said this you’re right this actually does kind of makes sense:3


If Celestia sent Luna to the moon 🌛, would Luna send Celestia to the sun?☀

@🌙Żenith Nebůla well she is a freak. Why bother?

@thesarahdilemma wouldn't luna too?
there is no air in the moons atmosphere.
so celestia being sent into the sun makes more sense
thje only reason why nightmare moon sent celestia to the moon was to be like.
HOW DO YOU LIKE IT!

@Moonich Tea second account yeah, maybe it's because everyone sleeps when the moon is up so they probably wouldn't see anyone at all so the moon is seen as more of a punishment.

No in  s5 ep 26  nightmare moon  she said  she send Celestia  to moon


But theres something else i wanna point out: the black sploch on luna’s flank. Now we can say that that was part of her cutie mark all along but it wasn’t. It only appeared a while before luna turned into nightmare moon. Something in the timeline (god knows and what) must’ve changes her destiny and the black sploch was kinda like a warning that she will turn into nightmare moon. The hint was given but no notice was taken.


All i know is that Daybreaker looks epic.


But why is it that, if a princess were to get angry/jealous, she would turn into an evil version of herself, but if a normal pony got angry, they would just be... angry


I agree with this. I might not watch my little pony anymore, but dang this could be possible if Celestia finally snaps just like Luna did.. wow...


Yea cuz she fight monsters and Be's lonely

Either that or she found a magic phone booth


Maybe Nightmare Moon and Daybreaker form when the princesses are consumed by their deepest darkest trait. For Luna, it was jealousy. For Celestia, it was pride.


No, if she comes out of the moon in the dreamland. It must mean most pony’s dreams are in the morning. And most nightmares happen at night, must mean there were no nightmares.


Daybreaker had a lot of potential as an actual character, but in all fairness how would they introduce her into the real world? Celestia made her personal connections with fillies to fill the void after having to banish her sister. Luna was able to return and repent for her actions as Nightmare Moon so Celstia had no reason to be jealous or upset anymore. She had her moments with Luna afterwards, but that's just sibling rivalry. I fight with my sister like that plenty of times. So, with no reason to be angry or jealous, how would they introduce Daybreaker outside of some pony's subconscious?


I just realized Luna has interacted with Pipsqueak, Scootaloo, Sweetie Belle and Applebloom. Do you notice anything about them? They are all foals I know these aren't the only ones who interacted with her but something big happened in each of the interactions like with Pip she uncanceled Night mare night. Or with Sweetie Belle she helped her save her sister's future. I just felt like pointing this out<br>Edit: Even Scootaloo's interaction seems small but in reality it is extremely hard to get over fears I know this all too well I'm bisexual so I was scared about coming out to my parents it took a good few years until I got brave and told them and like scootaloo and rainbow dash they supported me.

I just realized Luna has interacted with Pipsqueak, Scootaloo, Sweetie Belle and Applebloom. Do you notice anything about them? They are all foals I know these aren't the only ones who interacted with her but something big happened in each of the interactions like with Pip she uncanceled Night mare night. Or with Sweetie Belle she helped her save her sister's future. I just felt like pointing this out
Edit: Even Scootaloo's interaction seems small but in reality it is extremely hard to get over fears I know this all too well I'm bisexual so I was scared about coming out to my parents it took a good few years until I got brave and told them and like scootaloo and rainbow dash they supported me.


Before this episode I always theorized that in addition to the shame Celestia must have felt for having to imprison Luna, the threat of Daybreaker was also why Celestia ended up being kind of "useless" when shit hit the fan in the series. Celestia saw what happened to Luna (even though that was out of envy), and thought it could/would happen to her. Celestia also knew the lengths she had to go to stop Nightmare Moon, and that there likely wouldn't be anypony to stop her (Celestia) if she went down the same path. As a result Celestia became ashamed and afraid of her own power. Believing in the possibility she might become corrupted by it as well, Celestia began holding herself back to keep her own power in check thus deliberately weakening herself in the event somepony had to stop her. Kind of like her version of Luna creating the Tantabus as punishment for becoming Nightmare Moon. This resulted in us usually seeing Celestia unable to hold her own in the show since she had stunted her own capabilities for so long.


Luna being scared to become nightmare moon again and starts dream walking makes sense. She always wanted the apriciacion of others so she helps them in there dreams and comforts and in return gets loved by them what makes sure she doesn't turn into nightmare again....were do you get these explanations there like...damm...


Celestia may too have the feeling of ruling all equestria and she was able to raise both sun and moon for a thousand years so she is more.powerful than luna and may be unstoppable


When I was little, I thought Luna’s cutie mark was a dream bubble with the moon it it<br>Guess I was right

When I was little, I thought Luna’s cutie mark was a dream bubble with the moon it it
Guess I was right

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I don’t think I want Luna to watch me dream about my waifus.


Tbh, I didn't think Day Breaker as a consideration cuz she never happened to be like that, but now, I think you might be on to something

Also I have a question, will The Sun have an imprint of a Unicorn if Luna banished her sister to The Sun like when Celestia banished her sister to The Moon?


I believe that Luna started dream walking after she was unbanished from the moon


I think it was the cuties mark that could allow clesestia to turn into daybreaker,
Think about it, in most of the episode when Luna lost her cutie it was just the moon, not the dark spot. Atleast that's how I remembered it. Like in the episode when all princess have there power to twilight in order to keep Tirek from taking it (that part didn't really go well since Tirek still ended up with the alicorn magic 😅)
In the episode when starlight glimmer switched the princess cutie, you can clearly see that this time both the moon and the dark shadow from princess Luna went to Celestia.
So, maybe the dark shadow had something to do with Celestia turning into Day breaker.


I see this and I want to talk about Rainbowdoubledash's Lunaverse
where Celestia was banished to the sun as "Corona the tyrant sun"
and Luna took over Equestria


Personally, based on Daybreaker's dialogue, I think that the tipping point would be an over inflated ego. All of the ponies treat her like a god, so without Luna's banishment to humble her, it might start going to her head.


If I’m being honest, everyone has a breaking point…..everyone


Tia doesn’t seem so surprised by making an interaction with daybreaker
Mabey she had turned into her nightmare form in the past
Starlight dreaming of daybreaker  means she kinda knows about daybreaker


Heres what i think. Nightmare moon has been a common villain in mlp. But daybreaker has not been seen, what is luna did walk in dreams back then,<br>But she was never given that love and kindness from the ponies, she mah have just made the spooky thing vanish and leave the dream. Thats what i think.

Heres what i think. Nightmare moon has been a common villain in mlp. But daybreaker has not been seen, what is luna did walk in dreams back then,
But she was never given that love and kindness from the ponies, she mah have just made the spooky thing vanish and leave the dream. Thats what i think.


i think that  celestia would be jealous of lunas beautiful night just like how luna was jealous of celestias precios day where all of the ponys would be awake and would sleep at night.acordding to what i think daybreaker is like the same character as nightmare moon but the whole story is reversed.


I always wondered what would have triggered celesta to become daybreaker

Tablet Aussendienst lol I’m the same person as Dark_Wolfie13


I'd actually like to see Celestia break and see Day breakers first REAL appearance not be seen in a dream (I'm ZeCoRa)


If Luna and Celestia can turn to evil of theme selves, how would it be for Twilight, Cadance, and flurry?


I think her black marking that appeared after her becoming nightmare moon is a portal to the dream realm, so in theory if celestia became daybreaker, what affect would that befall and what demension/realm would she go to if being returned to the light.


Why do I imagine the first ponies and celestia and Luna to actually look 2D and all creepy and drawn

Just realized I described MLP lmao


actually, i think she could dream walk in the past
 but,
people only dreamed of her sisters sun not her moon


Why do the villains have to look so good though 😩


Don't forget that the comics, though they are not fully canon, seem to present the idea that the nightmare part is due to another being, not the pony herself. Equestrian demon possession perhaps? If so, why was the other creature attracted to Luna? Was it her negative emotions? Is the nightmare an emotion eater like the unreformed changelings were, or the sirens in EQG seem to be? And would Celestia be as vulnerable to her own negative emotions?


Dang. You covered Celestia’s struggle perfectly. I am an avid Tia fan, and the fandom loves to hate her simply because she did what she had to do. Imagine having a duty so important that you can’t have any real friends, or even get the chance to bond with your own family. Both sisters were hurt at the end of the story.

I say this as the youngest sibling in my family: Sometimes tail end charlie's just gotta get smacked. I understood full well why Celestia had to do it, and she eventally became my favorite.

In my opinion, Celestia gets unnecessary hate.

Dark Warrior I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single person who hated Discord.

I’ve seen some people who didn’t particularly care for him, or believed that the show would be better without him, but I haven’t seen many people who outright hate him as a character.

It wasn't discord's responsibly to help twilight yet he did and yet the fandom hates him more than celestia


i bet starlight knows daybreaker bc she created even more alternate timelines off-screen in which twilight didn't know bc she was catching up to starlight, that's probably how she had daybreaker in her dreams


Simple, the community didn't think Celestia was hot enough.


Im sure that luna had the ability to dream walk all along but she didnt know how to do it so she just left it alone-


i forgot how Luna looked without the magical wavy hair😳


I think that Luna was too young to Dream walk, and once she started to her mane happen to

I think her mane stopped flowing when the mane six turned her back is because she just lost a lot of magic. Before the last episode there were times when Twilight and Cadence’s manes flowed, when there was a lot of magic. I don’t know. Don’t listen to me  -_-

Alexia was executed by nightmare moon before they could finish th

@Sawtooth Waves Here's my theory on that. This theory is using the basis that the Nightmare is a seperate but corrupting entity. We've seen this before early in the comics at around issue 8, with Nightmare Rarity, and in the show you could say that it's the same TYPE of entity that took control of Stygian with the Pony of Shadows.<br>My theory is perhaps, when Nightmare Moon was defeated by Twilight and her newfound friends, Luna reverted to herself BEFORE Nightmare Moon began to manifest within Luna. Using this logic, Nightmare Moon began to manifest itself within Luna at a young age, and grew in power within Luna until she was unleashed. Going off of this, Luna may have had the ability to dream-walk with aid of the Nightmare, but it was misused because of Nightmare's corrupting influence. Since Princess Luna was introduced as a younger alicorn in Episode 2 (I'd estimate she appeared around the same age as Princess Cadence, if not younger), it would stand to reason that many of the abilities that the Nightmare granted her was stripped away. Because of this, she had to learn how to traverse dreams once again and get many of her powers and abilities back, with help from Luna, as well as Starswirl's books (since I believe his self-imposed banishment was shortly AFTER Luna's banishment.)

@Sawtooth Waves Here's my theory on that. This theory is using the basis that the Nightmare is a seperate but corrupting entity. We've seen this before early in the comics at around issue 8, with Nightmare Rarity, and in the show you could say that it's the same TYPE of entity that took control of Stygian with the Pony of Shadows.
My theory is perhaps, when Nightmare Moon was defeated by Twilight and her newfound friends, Luna reverted to herself BEFORE Nightmare Moon began to manifest within Luna. Using this logic, Nightmare Moon began to manifest itself within Luna at a young age, and grew in power within Luna until she was unleashed. Going off of this, Luna may have had the ability to dream-walk with aid of the Nightmare, but it was misused because of Nightmare's corrupting influence. Since Princess Luna was introduced as a younger alicorn in Episode 2 (I'd estimate she appeared around the same age as Princess Cadence, if not younger), it would stand to reason that many of the abilities that the Nightmare granted her was stripped away. Because of this, she had to learn how to traverse dreams once again and get many of her powers and abilities back, with help from Luna, as well as Starswirl's books (since I believe his self-imposed banishment was shortly AFTER Luna's banishment.)

She's like diamond tiara, doing her cutie mark wrong

She had her mane like that before they got the elements so Luna should have been able to dream walk the whole time with that idea.

oh yeah, the whole mane thing 🤔 may be a connection there, but in the flashback from s4 she has her full wavy mane so it's confusing to say the least


Could that mean that twilight ( when she’s ruling equestria ) could also turn to her darkside if she had one but I don’t think that she’s jealous of anything so my theory is actually wrong


I think when Luna started walking in dreams she became more more famous and Celestia more more jealous making her day breaker


There is one thing that bothers me remember the one time where luna's cutie mark has been switched with celestia because of starlight glimmer well when she had the nightmare celestia came out of the mirror and brought her to starlight's night mare when celestia said bringing her would stop the two you know evil sides if them but luna said she has her day magic it doesn't work in the dream hall thingy but when celestia send luna to the moon she raised the sun and moon but if her magic doesn't work in the dream hall thingy then how do ponies fix their nightmares it bothers me a lot one and also when luna wished she just stayed in the moon and not escape she would have never meet her sister again and celestia said "do you know hard it is to raise the sun and moon" yup that's a mystery hope you do a video about that


Now I haven't watched the new seasons but. . . This got interesting!


I feel like once nightmare moon was defeated celestia made a comprise with Luna and she could interact with the ponies too and they also made sure that  nightmare moon  didn’t return through other people’s nightmares


guys I just noticed something
twilight also has a “daybreaker” form
idk the name of the episode, but the episode where “pinkie sense” was introduced, the doozy was twilight believing it. she went mad and literally became..someone who looks like daybreaker? what could this mean? I mean I know she was just angry, but it’s a bit suspicious on WHY they made her look like daybreaker..so could this include celestia didn’t turn into daybreaker because she was jealous like Luna, could it be because she was angry? I mean it does make sense, daybreaker has that toxic personality which almost everyone turns into after that get mad at least 1 time, so this is really really really suspicious
see? this is my evidence
https://youtu.be/3aIsvMo_09s


i feel that celestia could get tired of being sweet all the time


What I got from this video: It was either Celestia or Luna, one of them had to corrupt.


The interesting about Daybreaker though, is that while Nightmare Moon spawned from the deadly sin of Envy, Daybreaker was born of pride. This in no way contradicts your fascinating proposal. But I think it provides more variety when speculating how she could come about.

@Icey Water A drawn out argument like that would have definitely strained their relationship so much more if Celestia had been reformed. But I love your take on it, it's an interesting read!

Here is my take: Once upon a time, two sisters ruled over Equastria. One was named Celestia, who ruled the day. The other, Luna, ruled over night. Celestia was always loved and appreciated. She was always told that she was the best, and couldn’t do wrong.

Everyone loved Celestia, and gave her entitlement. Meanwhile, Luna wasn’t given the love she deserved. This was because she was a night pony, and since she ruled over nighttime, everyone spelt. She started becoming jealous, but couldn’t be mad at her sister since she loved her too much.

One day, during the night, Luna created a spell that allowed her to walk in dreams. She was able to see her people dreams, and even enter them. She began helping ponies and fillies with their nightmares, and gave them guidance. People began noticing Luna, and started giving her praise as well.

Celestia, due to being so prideful, thought that her sister was nothing compared to her. She was still loved during this time, it was only that Luna was being more noticed. However, one day this would change.

During a celebration of the sisters, Celestia wasn’t given as much love as she normally was. Her sister was actually being loved more than her. At first, Celestia ignored this fact, and waited for ponies to give her attention.

So she waited, and waited, and waited. However, the celebration was now over, and nobody had noticed her. Celestia, was now mad at her sister. She believed that her sister had taken all her love, which grew her furious. This caused a heated argument, and Celestia told Luna that she was nothing compared to her.

This ended up making the sibling bond with the sisters thin, as if it wasn’t already strained to begin with. As the years went on, more praise was given to Luna, and less to Celestia. They began fighting more and more. One day however, Celestia cracked.

After an private argument, Celestia’s pride took over, and told her that she was the Sun itself. She rises the sun, as it shined a bright light down on all of Equastria. Luna asked her sister to lower the Sun, since it was meant to be the night. However, Celestia had yelled a loud no.

She then transformed into Daybreaker. She claimed that she was the Sun was her, and that it blessed her with the ability to raise it. Celestia, now Daybreaker, said that “The Sun will never be taken down for something less important.” .  Soon, a heated battle struck. Ponies, and fillies watched in terror as the sisters fought.

Like the official battle in the show, Luna was struck down by her sister, and fell into the castle. However, instead of using the Elements right away, she ran. But, Daybreaker caught up to her. Knowing what she had to do, Princess Luna used the Elements of Harmony to fight back. Just as former Princess Celestia was about to attack, Luna picked up the last Element and used her magic to send her sister into the Sun.

The end.

Hmm..well if we look at it that way, that actually will make an interesting Theory!


You are so so smart! This makes so much sense! How do you come up with theories?


But what if Celestia got jealous because the night became more special for Luna...?
We've all had a sleepover
 at least once in our lives. Well, that can make the night special and certain nights rare sometimes!
This can make the night seem pretty special, and make the day seem a lot more common.

This could have made Celestia feel like she wasn't as appreciated as her sister and her jealousy of how Luna's nights seemed rare and her days common would boil over. BAM you got Might Mare Noon!
Like/Reply if you agree!


Maybe when the princes of the sun had to put Luna on the moon she must have mised her a                     lot and she mised her so much that she became evil.


My sources told me if cause a spell that bans Celestia from eating cakes, it will escalate to a XK - End of the World Event where she converts all matter into caek.


I personally think it would’ve worked either way just with them reforming Celestia, but I think they went with Luna because it makes more sense as it being the younger sibling.


In the MLP game there was an update a few years back of a new pony. Rarity but transformed like nightmare moon with the text "The same magic that transformed luna into nightmare moon has gotten to rarity!"
I know it's just a game, but since the show is over it might aswell be canon too. So there must be some otherwordly spirit or smth that fed of off Lunas negative emotions and won her over.
Where have we seen a pony going into the dark before?...  Stygeon. Maybe that shadow and Lunas transformation comes from the same roots.

Still, just a theory


Wait a minute, if Starswirl  put her in charge of the dream world then that means she should of been dream walking before she became Night Mare Moon?


But didn’t we see a evil celestia..? Looking like a bootleg of sombra


it would be an amazing episode if nightmare moon and daybreaker fought just like starlight's dream or Luna have to fight daybreaker just like celestia fought Luna/nightmare moon


Normal brony: Day Breaker
Brony notion: Might Mare Noon
Me, an Intellectual: Light Mare Noon

for some reason her name is daybreak er, it's a good name and fits perfectly but if she's a complete alternate version of Nightmare Moon then she would definetly have her name something like "Lightmare Noon"

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Hi please help a matie here, so what website can I use to watch my little pony season 7 to season 9?On netfix there's only six seasons so please reply if you know.

That's actually the perfect name! Lightmare Noon! How amazing!<br>If this was Reddit I'd give you Platinum 10x, sir!

That's actually the perfect name! Lightmare Noon! How amazing!
If this was Reddit I'd give you Platinum 10x, sir!


Here is my opinion so far

So I’ve been thinking for 2-3 weeks by now and I haven’t gotten a good clue? All I know is daybreaker is a figment in starlights nightmares. I don’t know if this could happen but here’s is what the future of the daybreaker timeline would look like

So basically the sun is 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit and since equestria has only one time zone basically everybody is gone

1. Because the sun would be so hot the polar ice would melt causing hotter temperatures and higher sea levels and since equestria is smaller than earth and there’s less ice I predict sea levels rise about to 27 meters wiping out any populations below sea level rise

2. 45 degrees Celsius and higher would not be a good temperature, obviously the first thing that would happen is that crops out die out meaning food shortages, next heatwaves would spend too much energy on ponies, then as temperature rises a few lives would be lost due to overheating
And then stuff starts burning causing temperature to rise meaning more lives lost until nobody survives unless it you make a heat resistance potion to withstand heat

My best guess for the temperature would be 432 degrees Celsius or nearly the same temperature as VenUS

So idk if this could be true but reply to me if you do think it is

Now let’s have some fun twist (fun twist means something that people might also know)

If something messed up happened and immediately made Luna go 💥 then the following event will be

An epic battle between the evil sisters yay :D
They probably won’t get along with each other since…. Well you get the point
What would happen is that nobody wins and they both get banished for 1000 years so idk who would replace the 2
You would probably say twilight and you would be correct

Kinda because if the disaster happened on season 7 then twilight wouldn’t be ready because she gained full potential to rule equestria on way end of the show so back then twilight wouldn’t have enough potential so probably the nation will break into multiple tribes lead by ponies who have the most magical power

If you don’t know what I’m talking about magical power here ya go

Earth pony: 11 magical power

Pegasus: 36 magical power

Unicorn: 50-84 magical power

Talented unicorn: 100-263 magical power

Amplified trixie: 200-300 magical power

Twilight before crowned-500 magical power

Candance babby: 726 magical power

Cadence herself: 800 magical power

Twilight when crowned: 932-946 magical power

Luna: 1082 magical power nightmare moon: 1472 magical power

Celestia: 1300 magical power Daybreaker: 1473 magical power

Future twilight: 1575 magical power

???: 2000-2500 magical power

At this point we don’t know who will have the most magical power because it’s a mystery

Back to what we were talking about if daybreaker and nightmare moon were defeated and turned back to normal then things would just be normal
But there is one problem

Twilight needs the elements to defeat them but since the elements were needed for the tree of harmony then we don’t know what would happen next

So what’s my opinion? Here it is

Even if daybreaker could exist there would be a lot of science in this

So idk if my opinion would work out but if sawtooth pins this comment then it will work out fine
So have a nice day


Lol "let's not give starlight glimmer any idea" this had me laughing to the floor


I love your theories about my little pony videos!

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Daybreaker could be Celestia's true identity or maybe something more dark


So, if Celestia felt emotionally unappreciated and that was why she took in Cadance, then maybe Cadance got the whole love thing from showing Celestia the love she needed? Something along those lines maybe.


I have a doubt, what if I hear a parallel universe with the evil versions of the rial sisters???
example: we know 2 parallel universes, equestria being inhabited by pony's and another by "humans"
there may be chances of having another parallel universe but with the Nightmare Moon and DayBreaker??
Because like... in the episode where Celetista and Luna had their marks changed, we can see perfectly and logically that Nightmare and DayBreaker are sisters but that they hate each other.
but in this universe, instead of having the "purity" of the sisters, having their evil transformations. like they look like this all the time.
because as we can see their battle, they hold a grudge against each other, they hate each other, and they stayed the rest of the episode in the old asshole to see who got the "throne" or moon). so they must have a more developed past, where probably this universe of theirs is mostly ruled by shadows and I hate the dark side .....
so what do you think???


Past Luna would work better now. There are a lot of students staying awake past midnight studying for school.


I love this video Luna should have had all of the joy years ago


My sister called her Scorching Sun and the name sounds cool that I hoped it was Daybreaker's name, but alas, nothing we can do


Ponies have such an organized life then, like due to covid , my sleep pattern is now 3:00 am to 2:00 pm 🥲 ( yes I am jealous of pixels that shows a cotton candy horse)


I think this would be alot better then the original plot and I did enjoy the redemption arc . Just because when we associate like darkness with the moon but we don't exactly associate with the sun and honestly even though she got the ability through Nightmare moon but she could of gotten it through Ailcorn Magic. And honestly I think I would make a better storyline. Because Luna has that personal  relationship with the subjects versus Celestia who has to be like the royal family that a queen has that barrier on how they want tohave that personal relationship with some subjects. And honestly with dream walking Luna has that better relationship with the ponies. She doesn't appear like a god. Like untouchable pony. While in the dreams  we see Luna be vulnerable and show emotion unlike Celestia. And Celestia showing cracks in the crown and be more reliable than being this figure that sends Twilight after every problem.


i think thats why luna's mane changed. she begun dramwalking and so she 'leveled up" her powers


As i once said “DayBreaker Is More Fun To Say Than NightmareMoon


She gets only physical conversations not emotional, so she has laser eyes and turned into fire-haired pony


Well we know Princess Celestia rules Equestria for 1000 years. After banishing her sister Princess Luna to the moon for that period of time. By using the Elements of Harmony. Later on took Twilight as her protégé or as her personal student.
Twilight knew about Nightmare Moon's return from a book she was reading. Then she and Spike the Dragon or her #1 Assistant. Moved to Ponyville to oversee the Summer Sun Celebration being prepped for. Twilight open her heart friendship and well. Twilight and her friends defeated Nightmare Moon restoring Princess Luna. Daybreaker would have existed instead. Where Eeverypony would praised her moon and the night. Making Celestia jealous over her younger sister. And would not raise the sun and transforming into as Daybreaker. Forcing Luna to the Elements of Harmony on her older sister instead. Banishing her to the sun for a 1000 years. Which means taking on Twilight as her student instead as well. But then end up in the human world. Later on choosing Sunset Shimmer as her Faithful Student. Following the original plotline with Sunset as the main heroine instead too. Luna would ended up ruling Equestria by herself. Until the 1000 year banishment was over with. Sunstet leading her five friends becoming the new wielders of the Elements of Harmony instead.
And rest would be history. Twilight stealing the crown instead.
And well event leading up to the first Equestria Girls movie. Twilight becoming Midnight Sparkle instead of human Twilight. Sunset later would end up as the new ruler of Equestria as well. With Garble as her #1 Assistant and then Royal Advisor to Sunset and Friendship Ambassador instead of Spike. Of course Spike would have taken Garbles place as a antagonist character well less mean of course. Inside kind and caring outside tough guy act. Well now that gotten me thinking. Which Pony would Garble gain a crush for. Which means the Shadowbolts would have replace the Mane 6 instead too. Indigo Zap would be Loyalty. As for the others not sure what of the Elements they would have represented. That's take care from the hospital.


You should do one on who cadence's parents really are because we don't know who they really are we only know Celestia took her in


Woah. I never thought of it that way before! It makes so much sense!!


what if celestia was dreamwalking back then also celestia is being a bit dramatic turning into daybreaker since she is already more powerful than luna


Ruling the Dreamwork by day is useless.<br>Kids in kindergartens: are we a joke to you?

Ruling the Dreamwork by day is useless.
Kids in kindergartens: are we a joke to you?


This would actually be a good season if you think about it all they have to do is just have to keep on fighting daybreaker but this time it'll be the Luna against Celestia and the main six if you think about it and Luna but more and more episodes daybreaker gets stronger and stronger and Luna has to get a strong too but here's something interesting nobody has found this out but there's a goddess named Celestia that's the goddess of DEATH and isn't that interesting and Luna is a Roman goddess that's the embodiment of the Moon so they got Luna right about her power and her being the goddess of the moon but why Celestia the goddess of death unless there's a future hopefully you agree with me


This what I think,<br>After years of Celestia’s work, pain, and loneliness with no help from her sister during her daily routine. She would began to feel like her sister could do this by all herself but she Didn’t just to make her suffer. Other the years these emotions began to grow stronger. Causing Celestia to Reject her sister over theses reasons. Making her grow jealous of her sister’s job And how her job seemed so much easier than hers. Causing her to be come Day Breaker.

This what I think,
After years of Celestia’s work, pain, and loneliness with no help from her sister during her daily routine. She would began to feel like her sister could do this by all herself but she Didn’t just to make her suffer. Other the years these emotions began to grow stronger. Causing Celestia to Reject her sister over theses reasons. Making her grow jealous of her sister’s job And how her job seemed so much easier than hers. Causing her to be come Day Breaker.