0:24 Daybreaker outright states what her "conditions" are. To be alone, to foster strengh and pride. To STAND alone, to CUT everyone else OUT. Luna wanted to be adored, Celestia wants to be powerful. As simple as that.
1:05 Well, to be honest, it DIDN'T exist. Luna's dream walking is fanon made canon, actually. Luna "before the show" never even HAD an ability to dream walk. Didn't have that ABILITY period. So yeah, it's a bit of meta reason, executive meddling, if you will. A retcon should have been made, to have Luna always have that ability, or not at all.
4:35 Not really. If anything, if she's appreciated less she might turn into Daybreaker, but with different take. "Bah, they are all beneath me. I don't need anyone, I rule ALONE!". Not jealousy, but pride, and conviction that she does NOT NEED anyone to be OK herself. In fact, trhere is theory that Daybreaker is as real as they come, and Celestia is weak, and getting weaker as time goes on. Because she holds Daybreaker back. In that episode, did you not notice how Daybreaker not introduces herself to the Sisters, but they call her by the name the moment they see her?

Celestia is weak - because she has a monster chained inside her. She delegates more and more power to others, to not get into mindset of power. She abdicates the throne outright, when she makes certain Twilight is up to the task.

That is not to say I consider anything past season 3 canon. Many things are OK, but show has broken on VERY good world buildup.

Were do alicorns come from? "The first natural born alicorn" is a SURRISE for the ROYAL SYSTERS, who SEEM to be natural alicorns forever. Where do changelings come from? Where did the original Grogar went? Broken promise of "Twilight will not outlive her friends". Twilight's friends AGE, and Twilight only seems to grow as alicorn, to live for thousands of years.


"Buisness, Buisness, and a far share of Buisness."  Hmmm....A LOT of buisness :(


I think Luna was too young to dream walk and as she grew she discovered that she could. It seems like as she grew, her mane changed n ect she developed her full power


If Daybreaker was just the product of Starlight's nightmare, then why does she appear in Twilight's nightmare in the Season 9 premier? And is it that nobody notices this fact but me? Of course existing in more than one dream is just one piece of evidence I have to prove that Daybreaker is real. The second piece of evidence...is that Daybreaker is real. There's a comic that shows an alternate reality being run by Discord's cousin (I think), Aris. In that alternate reality, Daybreaker exists.

Granted, my proof comes from an alternate reality from a comic. But an alternate reality doesn't make it any less real. And as long as the comics don't contradict the show, they are canon. And since a comic about an alternate reality acts as a loophole to avoid contradicting the show, it's canon, even if you have to rely on the multiverse. But the multiverse is canon anyway, considering the EQG movies.

Two things about Luna's dreamwalking abilities. The reason that story is told as if the dreams aren't a thing is because when the story was written, they weren't. For starters, her dreamwalking abilities were actually first conceptualized by the fans before the show did. But that's not all. Again, I have to use the comics (and unfortunately, it's not that great of a comic). But Luna didn't obtain her dreamwalking abilities until after she became Nightmare Moon and was banished to the moon. She met a race that gave her the ability to dreamwalk, and started giving the ponies nightmares in the attempt to make them afraid of Celestia. And if I'm not mistaken, this is how Nightmare Night was actually first conceptualized.

So basically, the theory that a time traveler going back in time and telling Luna the solution being the fix wouldn't work, because it's not that she didn't consider dreamwalking, it's that she didn't have the ability yet. By the time she did have the ability, it was too late and she was already on the moon.

If Daybreaker was just the product of Starlight's nightmare, then why does she appear in _Twilight's_ nightmare in the Season 9 premier? And is it that nobody notices this fact but me? Of course existing in more than one dream is just one piece of evidence I have to prove that Daybreaker is real. The second piece of evidence...is that Daybreaker is real. There's a comic that shows an alternate reality being run by Discord's cousin (I think), Aris. In that alternate reality, Daybreaker exists.

Granted, my proof comes from an alternate reality from a comic. But an alternate reality doesn't make it any less real. And as long as the comics don't contradict the show, they are canon. And since a comic about an alternate reality acts as a loophole to avoid contradicting the show, it's canon, even if you have to rely on the multiverse. But the multiverse is canon anyway, considering the EQG movies.

Two things about Luna's dreamwalking abilities. The reason that story is told as if the dreams aren't a thing is because when the story was written, they weren't. For starters, her dreamwalking abilities were actually first conceptualized by the fans *before* the show did. But that's not all. Again, I have to use the comics (and unfortunately, it's not that great of a comic). But Luna didn't obtain her dreamwalking abilities until _after_ she became Nightmare Moon and was banished to the moon. She met a race that gave her the ability to dreamwalk, and started giving the ponies nightmares in the attempt to make them afraid of Celestia. And if I'm not mistaken, this is how Nightmare Night was actually first conceptualized.

So basically, the theory that a time traveler going back in time and telling Luna the solution being the fix wouldn't work, because it's not that she didn't consider dreamwalking, it's that she didn't have the ability yet. By the time she did have the ability, it was too late and she was already on the moon.

On the other hand, <b>if</b> Luna did have the ability to dreamwalk back then and did so, then this theory is sound.

On the other hand, *if* Luna did have the ability to dreamwalk back then and did so, then this theory is sound.


Hey man just got recomended your videos again after years i remember watching these as a kid lmao


Luna got jealous because she had  to be silent because it is night


Wait hours know that portal place where celestia transformed twi,right into alicorn I think it is dream land edit: ok its been one year what I MEANT WAS the area where celestia sang her ballad and transformed twilight into an Alicorn , I think its dream land


if Luna and celesta can go roge can the other acorns can ?


BOI I’m too old for my little pony, stop making me want to catch up on it!


I love your videos even if your ruining my childhood but I dont care


I would say that the Problem why Celestia would turn into day breaker is because nightmare moon came back and try to hurt ponyvile so she got mad a turned into daybreaker and so there <br>I know I’m bad 😅

I would say that the Problem why Celestia would turn into day breaker is because nightmare moon came back and try to hurt ponyvile so she got mad a turned into daybreaker and so there
I know I’m bad 😅


I think the thing that would make the princess of the sun go day breaker would  e losing a loved for like Luna who else thinks that?


Does that mean Twilight can become...

Gloom...

Because another word for twilight is gloom... Get it. Hehe... Hehe 😐


0:02 clapping noises from the distant corner of my room

0:02 *clapping noises from the distant corner of my room*


OK I HAVE NOT SEEN THE SERIES IN YEARS BUT WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN?!?!?!??!


IK this is kinda old but.. Instead of 'Might Mare Noon!' How about Light Mare Noon

No, okay bai


So this is practically game theory but mlp ._.


Brony Notion : and i think I know what it is

Me: A THERAPIST!!!!


Hi ive been wondering for a while now and sins your a changeling Do you know if changlings get the abilitys of tge creatures they transform into because in a canterlot wedding crysalis youses unicorn magic.


Woah😱that was SO True! WHY DIDNT I THINK THAT?! 😂😂😂


You:pls hold your aplause

Me: ok aplauses


You just have to ruin my Little pony don't you


Before I watch that I thought daybreaker was just a tale and she wasn't real just made up


Oh Noes! Not Celestia! 😱! Jk, I like Luna better.


What if the dream world is just a ream and Luna did not know how to go there and back


Are you going to make a video about the legend of Everfree Equestria girls and about scootalo's real parents reveled in season 9?


Hey one thing i noticed their cutie mark both night mare moon has a splot on her cutie mark and daybreaker an over burn sun just like night mare moon there jealous


eh, I prefer the Equesria at war explanation


Bismuth, bismuth and also a fair share of bismuth!


why arent you an alicorn in this episode


<b>they banish her to the sun the fricken sun</b>

*they banish her to the sun the fricken sun*


Why does day bracker look like sunset shimmer when she was evel


You scared me again with Celesta what is your problem with scaring me


When the 1st my little pony vid came i asked my slef what if tia become daybreaker


That sound likes night mare moon only different


OH LAWD HE COMIMG......

With a new theory:3


Business, business, and a little bit of business.


Somebody told her her parents died MoriYah 10


Hi please can you do a video of cadence past


Can you do a video on how are you might become nightmare


Why am I watching My little pony  theries dafuq


Wait soo that mean when I turn into anything ohhhh…………

I CAN TURN INTO A TOILET >:D


Im 7 and I think:
Star swerl creats alicorns so maybe star swerl is evel OR The 2 sisters are geluse but 2 words evel inside gasp OR Somone set the 2 sisters up i think that it was unreformd diskord old diskord was angre becose thay turnd in to stone
Evel 2 sisters


Stoling game theories words copy cat #friendshipisnotmagic everything is a lie


КТО-НИБУДЬ СДЕЛАЙТЕ РУССКИЕ СУБТИТРЫ ПОЖАЛУЙСТА


Who else liked the old intro better if so like if not dislike


I thing  one thing I thought  is slightly  she most have got mad at her sister but I the prism that gave Luna the plowr must have triad to Mack s get p to so he or she could hack the show and Mack so kids world so then and he or she corld kidnap that kid by tracking that kid agrst


Saw 2 I think that if you're not didn't start working in dreams before she repented when she was a Nightmare moon sheet still didn't work in dreams


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This theory is so compelling. It honestly makes more sense than the show’s explanation. Well done! 💙


I doubt she waited that long to walk in her dreams.  If you look at her behavior in "Do Princesses Dream of Electric Sheep?" she says Equestria SUFFERED because of her absence.  Moon-raising alone wouldn't do that, especially because Celestia herself said it was even easier than raising the sun in "A Royal Problem."
Luna tormented herself with recurring nightmares because when you're a dream superhero/therapist to a large group of individuals, you start to feel like you're pretty important to them.
That said, the idea of turning the way Luna did is definitely in Celestia's subconscious and has been for quite some time.
The proof?
Luna knew Daybreaker's name.


Holy crap I haven't watched this guy since I was in middle school. The nostalgia is tangible.


The comics (although semi-canonical) cement your theory. In it, Luna learnt dream-walking from the Nyx race during her banishment and used the ability to create nightmares earning her name and the Nightmare Night holiday.

Also, Daybreaker appeared to love having all the power and control. By simply not banishing Luna, Celestia would never learn to appreciate her sharing the weight of ruling. In the comics especially, after Luna is gone, Celestia really does reach out to the citizens and humanize herself, hence why she's stopped using her Canterlot Voice and is involved with teaching magic.


This theory has really strong footing and makes quite some sense. In the comics there are sessions , where we see nightmaremoon and daybreaker at the same time


I believe she could already walk in dreams before nightmare moon.  Dreams are what the brain uses to figure out what happened and to help fix  problems we didn’t know we had. Like the thoughts we have that we don’t know we are having. Not many remember what they dreamed about so ponies must have forgotten. It wasn’t until she came back though that she was powerful enough to leave a lasting memory of that dream.  <br>Celestia (sp) has a personality that she is going to do what she believes is helpful and seems to have strong morals. I don’t see how she would of turned unless something happened that made her want to get rid of her emotions. And I’m talking about something extreme.  Even though she knew it was what she had to she still missed her sister and seemed sorry/guilty that she had to do that to her sister.

I believe she could already walk in dreams before nightmare moon.  Dreams are what the brain uses to figure out what happened and to help fix  problems we didn’t know we had. Like the thoughts we have that we don’t know we are having. Not many remember what they dreamed about so ponies must have forgotten. It wasn’t until she came back though that she was powerful enough to leave a lasting memory of that dream.
Celestia (sp) has a personality that she is going to do what she believes is helpful and seems to have strong morals. I don’t see how she would of turned unless something happened that made her want to get rid of her emotions. And I’m talking about something extreme.  Even though she knew it was what she had to she still missed her sister and seemed sorry/guilty that she had to do that to her sister.


interesting 🤔, this is one of the few headcanons or theories that actually seems very possible and it reminds me of a fanfic reading calld...

”I, daybreaker” witch was read by Scribbler last a month actually :)


I actually remember an explanation to why ponies didn't go insane when Luna was banished. So, let's say Luna WAS able to go into ponies dreams 1000 years ago. When Luna was banished, I heard that the dream realm went out like a light because Luna had some connection to the dream realm. So in a sense, it would make sense to why ponies didn't go crazy while Luna was on the moon.


And also with sunset shimmer becoming a completely good person if she did have a element of harmony i think it would be leadership or empathy leadership because even though sci twi became part of the gang sunset shimmer is like the twilight being a good role model and showing care for others when needed, empathy because when a situation occurs she always thinks of a situation where shes been in that position like in the friendship games how twilight said you don’t know what its like but sunset even stated that she put on a crown and thought she could get everything she wanted which wasn’t the case for as she knows what twilight or wallflower per say.


I never thought of it that way. I guess that makes sense. Though I agree with the thought that Luna only raised the Moon and lowered it, but one thing I don't understand. Why would Celestia keep it a secret if she knew she could turn into Daybreaker? And Starlight didn't go THAT far back, only back to the point at the Sonic Rainboom the conected the mane six so how would she tell Luna? Why would she help her in the first place? When the Pillars came back and Stydian came what of he had gotten the better of Celestia or Luna and had made them turn into their evil forms? If he had gotten the better of them, in season 9 would Cadence be ruling by then and Twilight would never become the ruler of Equestria? So confusing....


I found out years ago that one of the writers claims that some thing else helped Luna’s transformation into nightmare moon. Strange creatures fed on her jealousy and made it grow.


This sort of contradicts the previous theory of both sisters having a dimension, Celestia having the alicorn dimension and Luna having the dream dimension.


Honestly I don't think it'd have been jealousy to push Celestia over the edge at all. I think it would've been frustration at seeing injustice continue to happen under her rule, frustration at having to follow the letter of her own law while criminals dance around the spirit, frustration at officials lower on the totem pole  undermining her authority with incompetence or corruption then eventually she'd snap.

Not starvation for attention, but a feeling that efforts were futile and a much heavier hoof is needed to keep her subjects in line.

Honestly I don't think it'd have been jealousy to push Celestia over the edge at all. I think it would've been _frustration_ at seeing injustice continue to happen under her rule, frustration at having to follow the letter of her own law while criminals dance around the spirit, frustration at officials lower on the totem pole  undermining her authority with incompetence or corruption then eventually she'd snap.

Not starvation for attention, but a feeling that efforts were futile and a much heavier hoof is needed to keep her subjects in line.


I vaguely remember this one Luna origin comic, where it was revealed that the moon is filled with aliens, who visited pony dreams, and they tought Nightmare Moon to do that, who, in return, infected them with that nightmare virus stuff, and turned them into evil shadowy thingies


Personally I feel that Daybreaker is the result of vanity. Nightmare Moon came about because Luna was jealous and wanted the same recognition as her sister. But what if that’s not what happened. Instead what if Luna never fell into that cycle of jealousy and hatred. Celestia continued to remain the most beloved princess, receiving praise and being worshipped by her subjects. Overtime this adoration began to go to her head. Soon Celestia came to the conclusion that without Luna, without the night, she and her beautiful day could be adored and admired 24/7. Daybreaker is extremely braggy, self centered, and pretty full of herself. She truly believes that she is a goddess and all will love her for eternity. She has lost the kindness and humility that once made her Celestia. She is now Daybreaker, the prettier, more powerful version of the once great Princess Celestia.


It's been awhile since I have seen the episode, but I kind of got the idea that Daybreaker is Celestia that has stopped caring about her ponies and lives for herself.


Not sure if it was comic cannon or something else, but I could have sworn I read somewhere that said Luna learned how to Dream Walk during (or because) her 1000 year banishment. That there was a race of beings on the moon that was normally their duty to tend to dreams, and to help make up for her mistakes, Luna learned how to dream walk from them to become the main responsible party for tending to nightmares. I'm trying to find where I read it from, but no luck so far, if I come across it, though, I'll link it.

Edit: Found it! It is a comic cannon thing and it was Nightmare Moon that learned how to do it.
Link to the page: https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/FIENDship_is_Magic_Issue_4

I've read it! as fascinating as it is, I don't count it as canon.


A long time ago I had plans to make a mini series of an alternate timeline MLP where Luna had become sole ruler of Equestria, and Celestia had been banished to the sun (ouchie).

I kind of want to rework it now, maybe into just a single short or two, but this this type of timeline instead of what I'd had originally...


It makes total sense to me and now I want to see a fanfiction tackling that reality. Or write one....


Well that's actually a very interesting concept I never did wonder about when she began the whole dream walking thing the fact that she was called Nightmare Moon made Saint Lucian to instead of Dreams she will only bring nightmares to the people of Equestria it reminds me of your each of the princesses represents love in their own way video


Let's take a look at what we know about that time. Celestia and Luna ruled Equestria after Star Swirl disappeared. And we actually don't know much more.

But Luna shows us an interesting behavior. She uses her Royal Canterlot Voice. That makes me guess that at that time it was normal for both to use this voice. At that time everything was probably much more formal and they ruled like absolute rulers.

In such an environment, it is understandable why Luna became jealous. Celestia was the sun worshiped by everyone, while Luna was denied this right. Lullaby For a Princess presented this beautifully.

After Nightmare Moon, Celestia gave up this behavior and became the funny person we know. But, without Nightmare Moon, it is possible that Celestias arrogance could reach a level from which she acts like a despot. Power corrupts and it could have been Celestia instead of Luna.

@Sawtooth Waves Indeed, but it gives us an interesting insight into the behavior of the two at the time.

I've always wondered what really happened to Nightmare Moon and Celestia in the past. We only have 3 episodes that give us some information. A very unsatisfactory vision, Halloween and Luna's nightmare.

In the best case scenario, the vision is not completely true, because everything is over much too quickly. Let me explain why.

In the Halloween episode we learn that Nightmare Moon is still feared after 1000 years. Nobody is feared after 1000 years, unless there is a good reason for it. My theory is the following.

After Luna turned into Nightmare Moon there was a fight with Celestia. This ended in a draw and NM withdrew. After that, she slowly brought Equestria under her control for weeks and months, while an endless eclipse shone over the country.

She used horrific nightmares to break the ponies' will. That's why she is still feared and that's why she punishes herself. She terrorized the whole country and was never punished for it.

Finally, she was strong enough to fight with Celestia. Celestia had already prepared for this day, but it was still her beloved sister and so she could not use her full strength. In the end, she had to use Plan B and banished NM with the elements of harmony.

That broke Celestia's heart because she had lost the most important person in her life and was now completely alone. She recognized the mistakes she had made and finally discovered the value of friendship. From then on, Celestia was no longer the radiant sun that outshines everything, but became the light that gives hope and illuminates the future.

ohhh that's so weird to imagine, the Royal canterlot voice is such a weird aspect of the show


In "Equestria at War" mod for Hearts of Iron 4, if enough things go wrong during the Changeling War, Celestia goes Fascist and turns into Daybreaker. Among other things, it gives high bonuses to the army and makes pieces of Equestria rebel and declare independence or outright start a civil war. It makes sense in context, but I like your theory too.


Hold on, but wouldn’t that mean that Daybreaker is still possible? Think about it. Celestia has the same schedule, and Luna still walks in dreams (I don’t know if Luna still dreamwalks after her retirement though)


This is great but there is one thing that kinda bugs me. Now, I don't know how much this holds up in the canon, but what about the comics? I know the comics aren't 100% canon, but they are confirmed to be B-canon (meaning they are canon unless it contradicts the show) but in the comics, Luna was also persuaded by the evil forces of the nightmare dreamscape. How would this affect Celestia? Would the beings of the Nightmare dreamscape even go after Celestia? It's just a random thought I think could be factored in.


Hello am kind of new sub to your channel, so am not quite caught up like very one else on your channel. So the idea of Celestia turning evil because of Luna learning she can walk in dreams theory really got me thinking about just how different every small thing that of could turn out in Luna favor which leads to a lot of small chances through out the whole story line. Its just kind of hard to think how or what could of happen if story really did turn out like this


Not sure, but if luna did have the power to dream walk before, did celestia also have that power when luna was in the moon.

In all honesty I think the writers just didn't think about this stuff in the beginning, because they never imagined it getting as popular, or as lore heavy as it did, so much like the fnaf franchise, the earlier stuff probably has less canonical lore bits, and if it conflicts with newer info, can just be written off as either writing mistakes, or lack of foresight.


Actually, if you think about it, this may connect with Luna's black splotch on her hind-quarters. Because like brony said, if luna did  go into the dream world and comforted others, she would have gotten at least enough appreciation to keep her sane. Now, some people might think 'if luna got her black splotch and some pony's started liking her, wouldn't she stay as luna?'. But I have a reasonable explanation for this. Imagine, you've worked hard your whole life but never got appreciated, and suddenly you finally do one thing that actually looks successful and suddenly people start liking you. How would you feel? Some might feel happy but others might get angry because you've done many good things but this is the only one you get appreciated. I think the reason luna turned into nightmare is because of the splotch, not because it gave her stronger and evil magic(as some people think) but because of the ponys' feelings


At this point Brony Notion, anything could be a good origin story for "Daybreaker."  Envy, fear, greed, grief or maybe even manipulation like these flashback scenes they showed in this one comic book series called "My Little Pony Nightmare Knights."  I think it was she and nightmare moon were manipulated by "Stygian/The Pony of Shadows."


It's not that complicated  Nightmare was born from envy. Daybreaker is "potentially" born from from pride/egotism, which is a flaw of Celestia. It's quite possible this didn't happen due to Celestia's guilt over how her ego had warped Luna.


How in Celesta's name did I <b>not</b> realize Daybreaker's color scheme was Nightmare Moons color scheme but inverted???? Also this is a great AU possibility for how Daybreaker could've occurred instead of nightmare moon! That would make for some great fan-fiction too!!!

How in Celesta's name did I *not* realize Daybreaker's color scheme was Nightmare Moons color scheme but inverted???? Also this is a great AU possibility for how Daybreaker could've occurred instead of nightmare moon! That would make for some great fan-fiction too!!!


Wait I have a question.. Ik this isn't related to the video but...

Remember when it was said that Chrysalis gave birth to all the changelings... In season 7 episode 17 we found out that Thorax had a brother whose name was Pharynx. They made it look like Thorax had only one sibling. If Chrysalis was the mother of all changelings shouldn't they all be siblings?? Or am I just over thinking this


You’re probably right when I get all the emotional Comfort and Celestia gets all the praise of coarse Celestia would be jealous! #CONYON

Wait... Celestia isn’t showing any grief or jealousy.....#roated


Well in truth this is sound but day break is celestia's full power now hear me out she always seemed weak in fights well that's because she's holding back ,with her connection to the sun all she'd have to do is draw power from the sun and she could easily destroy her enemy...but she would risk hurting those around her which is why daybreak is still celestia.

Thank you for reading


If Luna had to ban Celestia when she turned into Day Breaker, then wouldn't Luna ban Celestia to the sun? I think she would because Celestia banned Luna to the moon when she became Nightmare Moon. Just a thought I had.


Looking back at this now, I'm surprised there were never any "night ponies" or night time activities back then in the world of Equestria. Everyone in Equestria go to sleep at the exact same time if not closley?


i was scared when i see the title, but you turn this theorie in a very good way, and maybe they can explain a part to the creation of the parallele univers of mlp's comics "reflections".          Change:Juste a question, who thinks pinkie pie is related to discord too? (like a descendant of a pony created by discord?)


If Equestria at War has taught me anything it's that Daybreaker is a very real threat.


Power, greed, control or became corupt or driven to insanity or because of her rage. You should see the comic series Nightmare Nights that will help as well because Daybreaker is featured.


This theory seems plausible as Luna's cutie mark changed after she was freed. Maybe she got this power to dreamwalk at that time. Many speculate on the nature of her cutie mark after she was freed like some youtubers do. Maybe it is a remnant of her powers a Nightmare Moon or just her wish for redemption giving her a new ability.


Hmmm. Well mabey when Luna first started to get jealous, some sorta dark magic took its opratonity to strike. If what you say is true, the same would have happened to celestia. She wouldn't have remembered the dark magic as nightmare moon, or before it took over


You are right about the dream realm thing, how before corruption Luna wouldn't have any power over the dream realm as she learned it as nightmare moon. Heres why:

In the comics, they had an issue which was about what happened to Nightmare Moon after getting banished to the moon (FIENDship is magic issue #4). Nightmare moon saw a castle and decided to explore it, as she might be able to have a new kingdom to have reign over which would probably be more successful attempt since the elements of harmony don't exist on the moon. In the castle, she came across some creatures who she learns to have control over dreams (they are seen to be mixing some sort of formula to create dreams for ponies) they are initially amazed at seeing a pony in person, as they never have. She coerces one of the creatures, Doran into teaching her how to control ponies' dreams to give her control over Princess Celestia's dreams (despite their warning on the danger of this). Anyways, she manages to trick the ponies of Equestria into thinking Celestia is evil and corrupts the moon inhabitants to becoming her own evil kingdom. After this, I suppose she would have learned an easier solution, making a spell from it. Luna with memories from Nightmare moon would have decided to use this spell for good, watching over the dream realm and making it her own domain.

In comic issue 6, It is explained in the comics that Luna was corrupted by a separate force that originated from the moon referred to as 'the nightmare forces'. This force tries to take over the mane 6, coercing Rarity and taking her to the moon by convincing her that her friends will find someone better and more generous. It takes ages to make her budge, and when they do she becomes nightmare rarity.

Since this entity comes from the moon, I'm not sure how Daybreaker would work, but it would be an interesting storyline of having daybreaker try to banish Luna and gaining the powers of both the sun and the moon as well as power to manipulate ponies through dreams. I think since the battle was at night in the flashback episode where twilight drinks that potion (season 4; episode 1 and 2) which gives her the flashback of Luna being corrupted Celestia would also be banished to the moon as daybreaker.

Anyways, this is just a theory and I hope this adds onto what you said in the video. If anyone would like to discuss this, feel free to


A very good theory. It makes sense and answers a question. c:


Who walked in dreams before Luna? It wasn't Celestia since she seemed a bit unfamiliar with it.


Brony Notion, I've been watching your channel over the past 6 years! I love your videos! Keep up the work! ♥♥♥


What if Cadence and Twilight can turn evil too? Maybe every alicorn can.


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But after I left the community I stop watching MLP all together today I re-found this channel and I'm now binge-watching ALL video since I left

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But after I left the community I stop watching MLP all together today I re-found this channel and I'm now binge-watching *ALL* video since I left


One of the few theories (mlp or otherwise) that feels right.


@thebronynotion I wonder maybe Luna had the ability and she used it but she lack the experience of life to help ponies with their problem or make friends, or I feel that most ponies even though saying Princess to Luna and Celestia they saw Celestia more as a queen then a princess which made Luna jealous.


Might mare noon. <br>Wow. But honestly how can such a silly anagram work so perfectly and manage to be so terrible but so wonderful at the same time. Anyway strong start to the video

Might mare noon.
Wow. But honestly how can such a silly anagram work so perfectly and manage to be so terrible but so wonderful at the same time. Anyway strong start to the video


Luna is a complicated Alicorn. I think her jealousy may have been rogue to begin with. I think it was probably Grogar who' responsible for this.


Daybreaker was from Starlight's dream, not Celestia's


In this clip https://youtu.be/U_8cGmdkiPo daybreaker says things which could imply why she became that way in the time line that daybreaker exists-
Also, Celestias facial expressions seem intriguing as well.
“deep inside you know how powerful you are, you don’t need luna.”
“You can do whatever you want and all you need to do is get rid of anypony how stands in your way.”
“Im everything you want to be!”
“Who need balance when you can have it all!”
“We get it your sad.”
This quotes lead me to believe that Celestia isn’t jealous, or that isn’t the main reason she turned into daybreaker anyway, celesta is power hungry, she feels restricted and that she isn’t allowed to be as powerful as she wants to be. Daybreaker is this small part of her that wants power and leadership all to herself.
I also think the last quote could suggest that Celestia is annoyed at luna for being sad and doesn’t care anymore, she tried to help her but luna to her is just rejecting her help, which could also been seen in this episode.
We know that Celestia was upset when her sister was trapped in the moon, so much so that she set her sister free despite knowing how much damage she could cause but this is after that happened maybe she could of released that having luna by her side wasn’t what she wanted and something in her missed her rule over equestria alone. Without input from someone else.

I do know there are some holes in this theory but I just thought id share it anyway as it could be a piece in the puzzle to why daybreaker came to be.


That makes so much sense!!!  nice work 😃

That makes so much sense!!!  nice work 😃


I feel like instead of Daybreaker it should be Daydream Sun because it’s Nightmare Moon


When Luna comes back from her nightmare moon form her hair is cut and no longer shiny and wavy. That means something had to happen on the moon. I think that discord had something to do with it. Remember when discord planted the black seeds when they visited the chaos realm and then we find out later that they were supposed to grow earlier and take the tree of harmony. I think that was a lie and they made celestia put her sister in the moon witch their the seeds grew and upducted Luna into nightmare moon and the no wavy hair.


What if the transformation of luna into nightmare moon is the trigger to make ponies able to have nightmares? -Assume luna hasnt been helping ponies in the dream realm before the banishment. Nightmare moon can create a living nightmare after all, and when ponies had nightmares they will be awaken thus not sleep through her night. In "luna eclipse", ponies are so afraid of her because her previous transformation brought nightmare to the land. Luna now access to the dream realm and help ponies through the nightmares she once brought upon them.


I feel like this is such a good theory!!!!


Even if Luna have been walking in dreams Celestia still wouldn't be jealous if she what's Celestia would still be proud of Luna to find a way to be appreciated so Never will there be daybreaker


You REALLY REALLY should read the comics. REALLY should. You can get them if you have Amazon Prime through ComiXology or YayPonies if you're less honest. Now that said, you hit some of your horse shooes you tossed are close, some right on the peg, and others way off.

First: Day Breaker has been confirmed as real and does exist. You meet her in Nightmare Knights as a being from another world. She is WAY worse than nightmare moon and actually says she "Destroyed her sister" that she loved due to manipulations of the Pony of Shadows.

Second, one you hit dead on: Luna didn't learn dream walking until after being banished!!!! When she got to the moon she met these creatures that lived there called the Nyx and Nyx are dream walkers that go and help all the creatures of the land have restful dreams. NMM used her powers and corrupted them and the Nyx along with her caused nightmares for all the inhabitants of Equestria. There is a whole story which got pulled away from Canon sadly, but the Nyx part got left as part of canon though. The Nyx, lacking NMM to lead them any more, corrupt Rarity to be the new leader. Luna has to truely come to her own and you get to see her ascend, going from a regular alicorn (as you see back in season 1, just taller. Kinda like Twilight and Candace), to fully realized with the magic mane and tail and larger size.

Third: There is more to the Princesses tale that is explored in the Pillars series. In Star Swirl's you actually see them as fillies and you actually see that Celestia was actually quite petty to Luna. Showing off how much better she is at magic than her sister was and making a big deal how much more she is liked than Luna. In this jeliousy Luna has, she uses a forbidden spell and opens a gateway to the shadow realm and it takes her and they get her back... but it leaves a taint on her.

Much of the nightmare corruption seems to come from the shadows. Daybreaker was created by the Pony of Shadows and Nightmare Moon was a taint left by the shadow realms. But it isn't as simple as that. The "Celestia school of magic" TV mini-series talks about the corrupting force of magic too. In that users of magic must learn to temper their emotional state and why she encourages friendship so heatedly in all her students. Negative feelings while using magic amplifies them and then feeds back on the magic making it stronger... and more corrupting. A vicious cycle. Until someone can break through it and show them they are loved. Which she happens to know a few ponies that are particularly good at that.


I think Luna didn’t start going into dreams til after too but it was the song “Play Your Part” that convinced me
Luna says this line in the song that helps further prove the point
“ Patience is never easy, I understand wanting more. I know how hard it is to wait, to spread out your wings and soar”
This could mean she had to wait to find her place (being the dream realm) and it wasn’t easy to find it because along the way she became Nightmare Moon


idk if you take video suggestions but what about maybe a quick run down of the timeline of equestrias history? i get so confused on things like grogars rein/celestia & luna coming to power/and especially when villains like discord/sombra/crysalis roll around lmaO

Its already been done....and its hard and not accurate.


I haven’t watched the whole thing but, but theory is when starlight switched the cutie mark celestia got Luna’s cutie mark so when she got the cutie mark all Luna’s dark past or the one that made nightmare moon passed it down to celestia. So that’s how celestial fire noony thing happened.


Is anyone going to mention the new intro? That was freaking awesome brony notion!


Dude literally the red eye day breaker scares me I’m like AAA it’s creepy better u change the eye with the nightmare moon in the show not in the story intro of the beginning of season one ep1then it less creepy


We could have liked Celestia more than Luna<br>Me: (shudders)

We could have liked Celestia more than Luna
Me: (shudders)


(I'm writing this as I'm watching, so it's gonna be a bit of a ramble)
So, remember when you explained  the situation with Luna and Celestia's realms?
I imagine those realms have like.. Actual names.
Celestias realm is called "The Celestial Realm"
Luna's realm is called "The Lunar Realm"
If Luna's realm was only realized after her reformation, than more ponies would want to have more relatable names, thus the "Lunar Realm" turning to the "Dream Realm".
Not much of a theory, but it's still fun to think about.


I think the changelings colony would work like an ants or bees colony then if Chrysalis the queen, who is the king?

Sorry for my bad English


What if celestia and Luna share a dimension but celesta didn’t share it with Luna back then. And After Luna returned Celestia gave Luna a share of because celestia doesn’t use her dimension unless a new alicorn is being made, so maybe Luna made dream magic and altered most of the dimension to be a place were Luna goes in and visits dreams.


Daybreaker is pretty much Nightmare moon but inverted


Ok, so when Celestia turns in to daybreaker she would battle with Luna cause ofcourse, jelousy and rage would drive Daybreaker to take over the throne and since she's much stronger than younger Luna (definitely as daybreaker), Luna will still be banished or leave young Luna to perish since she'll win, so in both dimensions, Celestia still gets the throne.

(unless Luna uses the magical friendship rocks)


Can you give a theory on the great seedling


Did you know Celestine was the one who released nightmare moon!?!


This is some hardcore future Trunks stuff


What if it was grogars doing, making Luna Nightmare moon to do what he wanted to do years ago


I wonder if a pony were to get a tattoo on top of their cutie marm, will their destiny change? So Rarity were to tattoo an apple on her cutie mark, would she be a farmer like applejack?


daybreaker might just want all the appreciation to herself????


she might have turned evil part of why is the jealousy and another might be cus she hates her sister but keeps it a secret or....


when Luna came out at 2:21, why didn't she have the flowy hair thing?


Just an idea for your next video<br>Watch the E.G. music video cheer you on because near the end it give more proof to your theory of sunset being the human world element of magic.

Just an idea for your next video
Watch the E.G. music video cheer you on because near the end it give more proof to your theory of sunset being the human world element of magic.


Here's something for theory fodder: why are there no male alicorns?


If you look closely at Luna's flank, there's no black splotch, but in the episodes there is. What I mean is, the black spot is what make her able to turn to nightmare moon?


Does not make sense you seeCelestin has another job she turned Twilight  to fly and the place where she turned the others into other give her a big Point.🇲🇾🇲🇾


Woahhh I used to watch your channel all the time then I stopped watching mlp so I stopped watching you-

The moment I heard your voice a wave of nostalgia hit me-


I feel left out when people barely pay attention to me maybe that's the reason why Celestia would be jealous and her word would be like ''I'm more Powerful than you I am the elder one I should be incharge it's not that people don't like me it's that they don't pay attention to me if you don't give attention then meet your new and only princess DayBreaker

Brony notion I am now not a subscriber becuz you don't reply to my comments I think my theories are so fantastic that I can start my own channel but I won't or you go down while crying.I Think I Got Too Aggressive. But read my comments


Try looking at the fan videos and therios it might help future videos if you try to understand Luna.


The brony notion's next video: Something I've never noticed in MLP. The brony notion: In the episode Magical Mystery cure Twillight could fly, an episode later she is a COMPLETE NOOB AT FLYING. Me: I knew that before you😎


Hi
I have a question
If Princess turns evil then
*Luna turns into Nightmare Moon
*Celestia turn into Day Breaker and
*Twilight Sparkle turns into Midnight Sparkle
Then what does Cadence turns into ?


Wait.....I thought the comics were canon
In one of the comics we learn how Luna turned into night mare moon
I think it was with the help of these shadow figures

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So Here Is This Theory I Been Wandering Did Pillars Met Ghoustie The Great And Fought Grogar?

Also Use Some Half-Life 2 Soundtrack Some Of Them Intense Some Of Them Are Suspense And Action https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3410948E2468F3D5


Hey brony thanks for your video but who do you think is stronger daybreaker or nightmare moon we saw them fight but it was in starlight's dream and we didn't see them finish it


Has cadance a dark side too? Twilight has midnight sparkle in equestria girls. So what is about cadance?


Try using invert colours while watching the video, satisfying much.


I have a question, completely off-topic, but are you a reformed changling now? Or have you always been a good changling? I’m very confused-


If lunar can turn to nightmare  moon and celestia can turn to daybreaker and twilight sparkle can turn to midnight sparkle what cadence can turn to ?


Who else loves The Brony Notion's new intro xD or am I missing something? (*Dad's account by the wayyyyyee~~*)


I think that's not true,all that celestia cares about is friendship just like twilight,what could go wrong anyway????


Why has there only been unicorns being turned in Alcorns why not Pegasus or earth pony??????

Because future alicorns become alicorns by performing a magical 'task' that proves them worthy, do you see earth or Pegasus cast spells


Wait she..... when  Starlight changed their cutie marks The black thing on lunars cutie mark Celestia  had it and had her cutie mark and lunar didnt had it she had Celestia's cutie mark and lunar didnt had that black thing and brony had a Video of that black thingy.


Make a video about the mirror portal that  sunbust went through who what and when the ponys made it


What if Celestia was not jealous. What if she was Sad that Luna went away and anger got the better of her... so that anger used her to make a evil version of celestia. The reason this did not show is because all those thousand years she still had others to love... she was glad when she found Twilight doing well in pony ville. She knew Twilight would help. So when Luna was back she hoped she would come back... and she did...that anger faded away. But some remained in a royal problem. starlight experienced her evil version...in a DREAM! DREAM! With night mare moon. Don’t you see? She tried to give her sister pay back. But what that version does not realize that Celestia loves her sister...


Hey brony notion, heres a nice topic, potential villains if season 10 and so fort existed., Pinky pie, diamond tiara,( those are the ones that keeps stuck in my mind) big mac i suppose, CMC ( if you can make one good reason for the CMC to be villains....damn) starlight has potential.. specially trixie.


It was just a nightmare it never really happened


the last video i watched of yours was the changling civil war video. It's been so long.


How do Luna have flowing hair after she escape nightmares moon


Your channel was awakened in my memory through looking up “communist China”


If Celestia Turn Into Daybreaker Do Luna Send Her Sister to The Sun and The Way Daybreaker Can Get Out From The Sun Is an Eclipse


Wow can’t believe you still upload mlp theories.


Never gonna give you up never gonna let you down


@The Brony Notion   you can make a theory of pinkie pie is actually a unicorn, because its 100% sure that'll pinkie has magic, dont know if that means earth ponies can have magic, her hair is an artifact or some how she has done something with her horn...(been cut off), she might be an orphan(plays gypsy song)

Or she ate an artifact that looks like a rock(they do eat rocks), or she ate an enchanted rock... Or pinkie is hiding an artifact on her mane.


So is the brony notion just gonna make theories about the unanswered questions and mysteries of mlp? Or is that just me thinking too much?


Literally day breaker is more creepy the nightmare moon right? I mean red eye and fire ugh😖


Wait what? i havent watched this show in 6 years


Maybe Solis you would turn into Daybreakers because ponies wouldn’t share their feelings with her🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔😯😯😯😦😦😦


Beacase she is so jealous that Luna gets to go anywere in night but not celestia


i love ur theories brony notion <br>i have anew theory actually it might be the biggest answer/theory can  i tell u maybe in private             plz itsabout sunset shimmers element

i love ur theories brony notion
i have anew theory actually it might be the biggest answer/theory can  i tell u maybe in private             plz itsabout sunset shimmers element


Is the cristAl hart a long lost element of harmony

Harmony is connected with love
Can you do a theory

It's separate, shown by the show
You get love you have for friends and in this show it's called harmony
And just love overall that feeds the crystal heart


Ahem ahem,I bet celestia has anger issues that’s why there a possibility of she being day breaker but yet she got therapy from cadence like twilight sparkle.Which is shown when they were meeting again at the spa.


it can not happen...... actuly it can, with any princess even cadance and twilight not only celestia  and luna  any princess can  turn evil like this if they want like midnight sparkle


I havent been here in a while. The channel is still alive Pog


My god why is no one saying "solar mare"?


these thumbnails are getting more matpat


What about tatasbus will discord mind that parasite eat discord memories
Of birth sadness turn discord like Luna form discord will the father of monsters
He will be now is discord he have rules in the mind no one to save discord
Tatasbus like vemon the symbiote discord like host is the  same


A couple years ago you mentioned that cadence and twilights mane doesn’t flow but in season 9 twilight gained that item how do u think flowy manes happen in the first place??


In the last episode of mlp saison 9 why twilight look like celestia me I now . Remember when celestia Luna and cadence gave magic to twilight . Well twilight for a few sec have the mane of celestia .


Where do you watch MyLittlePony because season 9 not on Netflix


Night mare noon? Nah, LIGHT mare noon is where it’s at


You make those seals with great Daybreaker from the nightmare moon seats take breaker is Taylor fine of course my up on the note don’t want to show her like all the time because you’re creepy she creepy nightmare moon she would like adorable outside it would like to see you I like to see my nightmare moon not Daybreaker shit so horrible


Who thinks nightmare moon should have been called “Nightbringer”

We would have:
Daybreaker
And
Nightbringer

Better then you calling daybreaker “might mare noon”


Yay! I forgot your name, and I've been trying to find you for a while. So, Hi!


Almost early because I was out with family a few minutes after this vid 😅


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Hello again Brony Notion


Giraffe of Justice he’s uploading weekly again


Brony I Have A Question
When does luna sleep?
Look, in most episodes that she appears in she is still awake by day and is also awake by night gaurding dreams so
When does she sleep?
Another question
Which job is harder, Luna's or Celestia's?
My theory is Luna's job is harder as in NO SLEEP fighting off bad dreams at night who knows what she had seen and fought then by day ruling by Celestia's side only in 2 episodes I can remember breaks down this theory (Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep, A Royal Problem) so basically Luna's schedule is more jam packed and I can say harder.
Please make a video about this and explain it


BRONIES I DISCOVERED SOMETHING!, Pinkie pie has MAGIC. SEASON 8 FINALLY WHEN MAGIC WAS RETURNING A MAGIC ALSO RETURNED TO PINKIE PIE!!!, or am i just late on this? Or am i seeing things? Re checking

Crap its her twitching! I double checked her twitching is magic, the magic spirit whent on her hair..... Or maybe her hair has magic ... Apple jack was there and no spirit whent on her. So as flutter and rainbow. Only 3 of them had magic spirit returned..... That means you dont need to be a unicorn to have MAGIC!


Remember Scootaloo Sweetie Belle and Applejack sister when they got their cutie marks it's the same thing how you said Fluttershy and Twilight and Applejack it's the same thing because it is it's the same power power what's never happen it has the earth pony it has the Pegasus and it has the the Unicorn


What the- I haven’t seen you in my recommended in ages


I have something: if rainbow dash and scootaloo are sisters why is scootaloo sooo suprised when she meats   rainbow dash's parents in cloudsdale don't they have the same parents??

they are not sisters, but rainbow dash took scoot under her wing as a sort of adopted sister. we met scootaloo's parents in the final season.


The Brony notion you are so so so cool. By Im a23567


He there is in tangled the siries a pals that named the forgotten railm and lucks a lat laik the railm of discord 🤔. What doe you think


I got a Theory for you star swirl Made discord when discords creator was missing discord decided to take over all of the My Little Pony universe to find him


I only see 6 seosons where are the other seosons after season 6


My theory is:
If Celestia didn’t actually turn into Daybreaker
And Luna did.....
So during the 1000 years what did celestia do in the canterlot castle
She could be trying to hide the fact that she is daybreaker
Until season 7
Starlight confirmed it
Sooo she actually did turn into daybreaker in the 1000 years when Luna was trapped in the moon
But not even twilight knew about it
Come to think of this is sorta makes sense


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This has to be one of my favourite theories you've made since the Star Swirl Alicorn theory! I love it! And the best bit is, even if it's debunked in Canon, you've created nice little bits and pieces of lore and mythology to create a whole new series! I've definitely been inspired creatively by your theories!


I'm impressed. Even after the shows end, you're still making great videos.<br> Keep up the good work!

I'm impressed. Even after the shows end, you're still making great videos.
 Keep up the good work!


For me, the introduction of Daybreaker helped explain why Celestia often came off as weak when not using the elements, compared to Luna, who actually got to throw around a decent amount of magic.

Celestia, like the blazing inferno of the sun, is all or nothing when it comes to her power (sans her incredible self-control).  If she actually lets loose, the consequences will be far worse than whatever threat she’s facing.

Kind of a “World of Cardboard” situation.


1) omg we missed you! So glad your back! Still keeping up with every up with every upload and I can't wait to see more videos! Thank you keeping my love for the show alive! I really appreciate your awesome content and videos! :D<br>2) love the new intro <3

1) omg we missed you! So glad your back! Still keeping up with every up with every upload and I can't wait to see more videos! Thank you keeping my love for the show alive! I really appreciate your awesome content and videos! :D
2) love the new intro <3


This actually makes a lot of sense.
I'm starting to wonder with your last video now.
You brought up the massive time gap.
What if at some point during the time gap, Twilight and the others had to deal with a real life Daybreaker.
What if what happened was that Celestia came upon some evil enchanted object that ultimately changes her personality once she touched it, making it do a 180.
Something like that could cause Celestia to turn into Daybreaker. And then the whole of Luna having an Emotional connection to every pony is her "reason" for becoming evil, and trying to reclaim Equestria under a more evil ruling.


I've always wondered what happened with the dream world while Luna was imprisoned in the moon. Without her to watch over dreams, a nightmare could lead to a permanent psychotic break. Was there no dream world before she came back? Did Celestia appoint some pony else to the dream world? We know she didn't do it herself. It's a question we may never know the answer to.


Its possible she always dream-walked did but still lacked appreciation. Simply because she can only appear to a small group of ponies while her sister did big eventful things every day.  There is such a thing as a "thankless job" and her role is minor compared to the nation-wide influence Celestia was having.  There was no summer sun celebration, no nightmare night, everything eventful and big happened in the daytime it seems and at best Luna was just... there when Celestia needed help.

I always thought Day Breaker would be a result of Celesita getting too full of herself and believing that she and she alone could rule. This was based on the words of Day Breaker herself, who tells Celestia she is good enough to rule alone and she doesn't need anyone else.  While envy creates Nightmare Moon, Day Breaker is therefore a result of pride.

Ever since the Daybreaker episode I have come to ask why the two sisters appear weak. It reminded me of the old Justice League and Justice League Unlimited series.  Superman fights a villain and said to the guy that always he holds back because of those around him could easily get hurt. So long as one person around him was weaker, be it friend, foe or bystander, Superman was saying that he didn't unleash his full power.   He has the ability afterall to rip people in half if he wanted to and cause fatal injuries if not careful.  But bigger villains like Dark Seid and Doomsday give him the ability to just cut loose and beat the 9 stuffings out of someone with no restrictions.  This has always been the situation Luna and Celestia present where they have power but due to those around them they can't always unleash it.  So against Crysalis at the Royal Wedding even to defend her subjects, Celestia could not unleash her full power on Chrysalis as it would kill her.

I come to the conclusion they self impose a restriction on their potential, because if their full power would be unleashed, with it comes their darker selves as well.  Yes, Luna and/or Celestia could just walk up to Sombra and destroy him permanently, but they'd be killing someone flat out. There is an old saying

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
In short, Celestia and Luna could never allow themselves when dealing with villains to become the villain themselves. The presence of Nightmare Moon doesn't change that, it only strengthens the risk that comes with it.

Its possible she always dream-walked did but still lacked appreciation. Simply because she can only appear to a small group of ponies while her sister did big eventful things every day.  There is such a thing as a "thankless job" and her role is minor compared to the nation-wide influence Celestia was having.  There was no summer sun celebration, no nightmare night, everything eventful and big happened in the daytime it seems and at best Luna was just... *there* when Celestia needed help.

I always thought Day Breaker would be a result of Celesita getting too full of herself and believing that she and she alone could rule. This was based on the words of Day Breaker herself, who tells Celestia she is good enough to rule alone and she doesn't need anyone else.  While envy creates Nightmare Moon, Day Breaker is therefore a result of pride.

Ever since the Daybreaker episode I have come to ask why the two sisters appear weak. It reminded me of the old Justice League and Justice League Unlimited series.  Superman fights a villain and said to the guy that always he holds back because of those around him could easily get hurt. So long as one person around him was weaker, be it friend, foe or bystander, Superman was saying that he didn't unleash his full power.   He has the ability afterall to rip people in half if he wanted to and cause fatal injuries if not careful.  But bigger villains like Dark Seid and Doomsday give him the ability to just cut loose and beat the 9 stuffings out of someone with no restrictions.  This has always been the situation Luna and Celestia present where they have power but due to those around them they can't always unleash it.  So against Crysalis at the Royal Wedding even to defend her subjects, Celestia could not unleash her full power on Chrysalis as it would kill her.

I come to the conclusion they self impose a restriction on their potential, because if their full power would be unleashed, with it comes their darker selves as well.  Yes, Luna and/or Celestia could just walk up to Sombra and destroy him permanently, but they'd be killing someone flat out. There is an old saying

“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
In short, Celestia and Luna could never allow themselves when dealing with villains to become the villain themselves. The presence of Nightmare Moon doesn't change that, it only strengthens the risk that comes with it.


I agree that maybe Luna discovered Dream-walking after Nightmare moon, but unlike Luna, Celestia doesn't get jealous; not once throughout the entire series (prove me wrong if you can.)

(Sorry, Luna.) Celestia wouldn't lose it over something so petty. I feel it would take something far more serious.


Maybe, but from what daybreaker said in the episode itself, I think celestia could become DB if she let the ego and the fact she was the more loved and possibly stronger sister get to her, it could have happened some time after lunas banishment once she realized she could lead the nation alone. It possible that celestia was tempted to become something like this at some point, or at least this possibility was on her mind, daybreaker was arrogant and extremely confident and from the dialog it felt like daybreaker just laid out celestias darker thoughts from that period, so NM came from jealousy while DB could come from arrogance.

Regarding lunas dream walking thing, I agree, it seems she started doing it after she returned.


Your theories are very well thought that i would love to see full what of stories that span multiple parts like this one showing how different the world could be


I'm not sure on what if or why, but I have always found it noteworthy that Daybreaker's name was simply known and her existence treated as not worth a remark. Almost as though, within the dream realm, she has always existed.
But then, the Pony of Shadows still had form without Stigian, had something of an appearance in that one castle episode, and shares a similar stylistic appearance as Sombre and Nightmare Moon.

Bah.... there can be hours of discussions on the "deep magics" of the world on which Equestria exists.


I always thought Luna began walking in dreams while banished. She was very isolated and bitter still being Nightmare Moon and found a way to reach ponies, causing them nightmares. Maybe it was solely Nightmare's ability that Luna learned to use when regaining her full power after returning.


I think Celestia might have gone mad from the stress of keeping up appearances, especially as a new princess. What if all of this happened just a few years after Equestria was founded? Celestia and Luna were both new to ruling, and Celestia, being the leader type, naturally took charge. One day, she finally lost it and turned into Daybreaker. That way, she could fix all of the problems. Luna would have to seal her away in the sun(?) using some type of powerful magic, maybe the Elements of Harmony? Then, thousands of years later, the magic stops working. By this point, her sister would have had time to stop and take a break. Luna's love and friendship might be enough to bring her back.


If you consider the comics canon, Luna was dreamwalking from a young age as seen in Nightmare Knights. But otherwise the theory is great either way!


I think Celestia going rouge could be something related to what happened in the episode “A Royal Problem.” Celestia and Luna were disagreeing, think of what would happen if the disagreeing went further into fighting. It would be only a matter of time before they started to get cold towards each other, or end up hating each other. The hate they have for each other could be what pushes them into the direction of going rouge. Like when you compared Demon Sunset to Midnight Sparkle, Celestia and Luna could get a power so strong it clouds out any sound judgement just to fulfill their goals. With Luna, she could’ve turned into Nightmare Moon, because of her hate for Celestia. With Celestia could also get that power and turn into Daybreaker to take down Luna/Nightmare Moon.


I'm not too familiar with everything as of late, but I kinda always thought that Luna had to be corrupted by an external factor in order to be fully transformed, that her jealousy was the spark for her to be sought out by an entity. Like how Stygian was corrupted into the Pony of Shadows, that maybe Luna was corrupted by something resembling the Tantabus we saw in "Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep".


In the episode where they fought king Sombra the very first time Celestia used dark magic to open that crystal door thing. It's possible the dark magic could have also led to her to become Daybreaker.


I kind of have a feeling that what happened to Luna was actually phase 3 of an experiment and that experiment was to see what happens when creatures of light and good magic dabble into the dark arts. The reason why I am thinking this is because Stygian was turned into native equestrian dark magic user for he listened to the darkness at the well of shadows and after that was Sombra (and all of those other members of his kind)  and after that was Luna's turn. If this is the case then someone intentionally started off the events that would corrupt Luna. As for who is responsible, in my opinion it was Grogar for though he may have not been able to return to equestria (or whatever he remembers it being called before that), he could still go there spiritually reason for this is because if Grogar was so powerful and ancient as well as being a necromancer then he could have definitely done the same thing that discord did when his physical form was banished from the school grounds.


While I definitely think that Luna's lack of dreamwalking led to her Nightmare Moon trasformation... I don't think she COULDN'T dreamwalk. I even think she knew that she had the ability.

Rather, I think that the ponies of Equestria actively rejected her attempts out of distrust. While what you say is completely possible, my theory of the situation always was that in Equestria's early days, there was a significantly higher monster problem. Luna was the one that fought them, as most monsters are nocturnal. Perhaps at this point, Luna had no time to dreamwalk. (Another possibility, but not the one I'm going for here.) But by the time she could dreamwalk, and Equestria was more peaceful, perhaps a more warlike and confrontational Princess that was the only nocturnal pony (not getting into "bat ponies", as there has been no official canon) was associated with the monsters and legends of before. And when she appeared in their dreams?

What else would she be but a Night Mare? The very word "nightmare" has Luna written all over it, and I don't think it was just because she went crazy. They would have to have already associated her with dreamwalking in that case, regardless.

While I definitely think that Luna's lack of dreamwalking led to her Nightmare Moon trasformation... I don't think she COULDN'T dreamwalk. I even think she knew that she had the ability.

Rather, I think that the ponies of Equestria actively rejected her attempts out of distrust. While what you say is completely possible, my theory of the situation always was that in Equestria's early days, there was a significantly higher monster problem. Luna was the one that fought them, as most monsters are nocturnal. Perhaps at this point, Luna had no *time* to dreamwalk. (Another possibility, but not the one I'm going for here.) But by the time she could dreamwalk, and Equestria was more peaceful, perhaps a more warlike and confrontational Princess that was the only nocturnal pony (not getting into "bat ponies", as there has been no official canon) was associated with the monsters and legends of before. And when she appeared in their dreams?

What else would she be but a Night Mare? The very word "nightmare" has Luna written all over it, and I don't think it was just because she went crazy. They would have to have already associated her with dreamwalking in that case, regardless.


I really, REALLY hate how Celestia's daily duties were depicted as smiling and waving in A Royal Problem. It made Luna's duties seem much more important and difficult and Luna seem like an antisocial emo, while Celestia gets recognized for an easy job, wich is just not true


I would go more with the Lunavers story approach where Celestia's needs to control everything, demand unquestioning obeisance, and swiftly punish those who do now submit or obeys fast enough in her younger years during the still very fragile period of Equestria's founding and being completely dismissing the notion of building bridges with her allies  in diplomacy. For Luna being ignored, shunt by the populous, at least for her night theme, I think we in the modern age tend to forget how really actually dark, creepy and especially dangerous the night really actually is, as they probably didn't had as much 24h lighting back then and Equestria wasn't as safe as it is now from dangerous creatures or ponies to stock the night; Luna, not being the most social or charismatic, or even the most communicative of ponies might have been a way for ponies projection their fears of the night, being as superstitious as they were back then and she cope with hostility  forever for years on end. Compared to Celesita how is the personification of power safety and all the is good, Luna could easily be projected as her opposed being spiritual personification of all that is evil or the Romuel to Romulus.


They're's actually a fan song that explains Luna's motivation more in depth. (Can't remember the title rn so bear with me) The idea is less of the, storytime version and more that nobody saw her night or appreciated everything about it. It was her world and nobody wanted to share it with her.


The theory is relatively sound, but that’s coming from someone who hasn’t read the comics.

However I always assumed Daybreaker wasn’t necessarily Celestia alone, but a product of interacting with a magical object. If I’m correct, there’s the videos about Celestia’s school of magic, and when she mentions magical objects, it displays various items, including the crown Daybreaker wears. Daybreaker doesn’t show signs of jealousy, but instead is power-hungry and wants to be the most intimidating and radiant ruler. I’d assume her crown heightened her subconscious desires and slowly took over. The true purpose of the crown I’d assume is to bring out the strength that lies within someone, sort of like the Alicorn Amulet and how it slowly corrupted Trixie.


Well, she could have finally snapped with all the trouble and stress of placating ponies that don't really appreciate her duties. Scandalous news like that time Luna accidentally cancelled the trip for fillies might have happened more often when news started becoming more of a business than necessary public information. If anything, Celestia is an extremely stressed pony. Then imagine that Twilight never become a bearer or even her student. Or she's forced to end Nightmare Moon only to be seen as a monster by the public due to using her full power. I don't think Celestia ever use her full power and for good reason.

The sun is really a highly destructive element. I bet that last timeline that Twilight and Starlight saw in their time travel is really caused by Daybreaker. So the lost of the only pony she could confide in, forced to be destructive from all the troubles returning, sooner or later without Luna to balance her Celestia will be mentally and emotionally exhausted. Daybreaker is her tipping point into becoming an absolute tyrant that rule through pure force and terror that made Sombra's tyranny look like a local backyard bullying. With just the sun without the night, every living thing will slowly burn out from endless heat.


i honestly think she was always able to traverse dreams, but thought that she cant interact with them, causing jealousy because again, she thought she could only watch, while celestia could help, those moments being the cause of nightmare moon. if she knew that she could help the sleeping with their troubles, then celestia would be jealous of luna, because she could talk with with the citizens personally, with no cover of royalty, causing celestia's transformation to Daybreaker(or daymare sun)


Daybreaker made a interesting comment actually on Celestia's potential motivations. She says something like Celestia could have all the power, she just has to get rid of luna. So, what if, Luna had received the dream walking ability like you said but instead of Celestia being jealous of her emotional closer connection with the ponies, it was because she felt like she had no actual power? Think about it. She rules the in the day but she actually doesn't do much in terms of protection from outside forces and now Luna is able to help ponies deal with personal problems and can dream walk and raise the moon. All Celestia does is sit in the castle and do face stuff which doesnt make one feel very powerful. Also, Star Swirl made alicorns and also passed down the spell to turn other ponies into Alicorns. However, since alicorns are the conbination of all three types of ponies its meant to represent harmony but when feelings like jealousy, hatred, and thirst for power(the same emotions that caused the split between the three pony tribes in the first place) the alicorns suddenly become a more powerful version of themselves. But in the magical omparison video you talked about "becoming evil" if this were the case Celestia or Luna as Daybreaker or Nightmare Moon would have received magic so powerful and corrupted that it would cover their cloud of judgement. At least, thats a theory.


Anyone else think that maybe she was dreamwalking back then but wasn't good at it yet, which is why no one appreciated her yet. So I think that Luna might be reading up on psychology, since her role helping ponies in their nightmare is essentially another form of grief counselling.


So what about a video about cozy glow. Your theories about alicorns being artificial were proven to be partly wrong. Starswirl could have made them alicorns, but the pony body seems to naturally take that form when enough raw magic is pumped into it, as seen with cozy's bell transformation. So at most he just kickstarted the transformation instead of meticulously mapping out there features with a patchwork of spells.


Well. Different types of stress can lead to the same outcome. If luna has to bring an end to nightmare after nightmare in the dreams of those who sleep what's to say it doesn't wear down your psyche? Same could be said for dignitary and political appearances by Celestia throw that on top of having to protect the waking world from physical threats that could potentially cause corruption as both magic and power show this is possible. Darkness takes a toll on those who face it day after day and night after night.


The thing is, I think Daybreaker could exist in the real world to some degree, I mean Celestia didn’t seem that shocked to see her, and somehow Luna knew who Daybreaker was. Maybe Daybreaker has been haunting Celestia’s dreams all along with the fear that she will be just like Luna and turn evil. Mental illness is often hereditary and Celestia could have been genuinely afraid of what she would do if she became like Luna, only it would be worse because of how powerful she is. Maybe Luna has seen these dreams and she knows that this is a fear<br>Of celestia.

The thing is, I think Daybreaker could exist in the real world to some degree, I mean Celestia didn’t seem that shocked to see her, and somehow Luna knew who Daybreaker was. Maybe Daybreaker has been haunting Celestia’s dreams all along with the fear that she will be just like Luna and turn evil. Mental illness is often hereditary and Celestia could have been genuinely afraid of what she would do if she became like Luna, only it would be worse because of how powerful she is. Maybe Luna has seen these dreams and she knows that this is a fear
Of celestia.


I always wondered about that episode where Twilight show Starlight that one timeline where Equestria is a wasteland and I wonder that instead where the Mane Six save Luna they banished her instead where it set Celestia off and burned Equestria through rage and sadness.


I have a headcanon that Luna became Nightmare Moon because of Celestia's own darkness. Luna has had time to come to terms with her own darkness, Celestia refuses to face her own darkness and actively flees from it. Celestia shows signs of a potentially undiagnosed mental disorder, normally she's able to put up a strong face and be a happy smiling ruler, but it is all a facade and sometimes it slips just slightly to reveal the hurting mare underneath. A few of her symptoms are that she is prone to hysterics, gets mentally disoriented and has an odd phobia, Alektorophobia.


It could also have potentially occured after she used the elements to banish Luna (Either as NMM, or some other reason), and realizing the immense power she alone may possess wielding them. Power is corrupting, history has told us that lesson for centuries.

In an alternate story, she might become careless and bold afterwards, because she holds the elements, she is the the most powerful being in Equestria. But if the elements truly are about harmony, and have a will of their own, they might start working against her. Changing up the effect of the magic, give visions to potential bearers, prehaps even help get Luna out of the moon, until they stop working for her, and disappear to some far off land. There, they could empower the locals, and create an army capable of overthrowing "The Holy Solar Empire".

Another alternative could be both Luna and Celestia become hungry for power, and try to take the elements for their own. The War of the Sisters occur, and the elements end up split between the two. Two elements each, the last evading them both. Because of this, neither of them can use the elements, and they will tear the nation apart with their war. During the intense combat, the rest of the elements vanish too, eventually re-emerging in some distant land, which will serve as the bastion of harmony, and where our story would instead take place.


I personally think another reason Luna could have become Nightmare Moon could be because Celestia had students, and luna didn't. What if Starlight could have time-traveled and became Luna's student? Celestia might be jealous because she didn't have a one on one connection with her pupils and become Daybreaker.


Good theory very good but I think Day breaker already happened and we just didn't see it.
Let's just say that Celestia banishing Luna may have some consequences, like an uprising for getting rid of a royal, throwing things out of balance.
With Equestria in a civil war. What's stopping from other kingdoms taking advantage.
Some Dragon raids from the south.
Some Griffon raids form the east.
Maybe the Yaks are invading from the north. There is no Crystal Empire to act as a buffer. Its still gone. Disappeared by King Sombra.
All of that with civil disobedience from Celestia's subjects.
Celestia may have become a bit of a tyrant, a bit authoritative.


I like the idea, but I'm going to have to disagree. Look at how Daybreaker is characterized: self-centered, self agrandizing. She literally says "we're powerful. We can do whatever we want." She's not really jealous. She's mad with power. I honestly like to imagine that a sort of proto-Daybreaker exists within Celestia, as the desire to exercise her full power however she pleases. I am even toying with an idea that perhaps she almost did become Daybreaker, and <b>that</b> is what lead to Luna's transformation; Celestia starting to push her sister away (as we see happen in the present in "A Royal Problem," thus frustrating and furthering Luna's jealousy. Perhaps if Luna hadn't turned into Nightmare Moon, Celestia would have continued getting more self-centered. Perhaps it was losing Luna that made her realize the desire for power was detrimental, locking away whatever part of her was telling her she was better than anybody else, and she should be able to do as she pleases. That's just my own headcanon, though.

I like the idea, but I'm going to have to disagree. Look at how Daybreaker is characterized: self-centered, self agrandizing. She literally says "we're powerful. We can do whatever we want." She's not really jealous. She's mad with power. I honestly like to imagine that a sort of proto-Daybreaker exists within Celestia, as the desire to exercise her full power however she pleases. I am even toying with an idea that perhaps she almost did become Daybreaker, and *that* is what lead to Luna's transformation; Celestia starting to push her sister away (as we see happen in the present in "A Royal Problem," thus frustrating and furthering Luna's jealousy. Perhaps if Luna hadn't turned into Nightmare Moon, Celestia would have continued getting more self-centered. Perhaps it was losing Luna that made her realize the desire for power was detrimental, locking away whatever part of her was telling her she was better than anybody else, and she should be able to do as she pleases. That's just my own headcanon, though.


I agree that Luna started exploring dreams after she cam back.  Celestia raised the moon in Luna's absence, but as stated in "A Royal Problem" her magic doesn't work in the dream realm.  So, for a 1000 years, there wasn't any guidence while dreaming.  This could also be why her mane went from a solid silver/gray, to the willowy blue starfield that I (cough cough) we love.

As far as Daybreaker, it was what Starlught thought mught happen if Celestia went diwn that road, but it never is confirmed.  I think Celestia saw that in herself, and it scaeed her - much like the Tantitus was Luna's guilt over Nightmare Moon.  Once she had the courage to fight the demond, Celestia had the resolve tk promice herself she would never become that petty despot, and was able to defeat her.

Luna was right, though.  If not resolved, it could have caused Starlight to start questioning herself, and either become a wilting flower, or overpower madwoman (mad mare?).

Thabk you for resparking that episode in my memory, there are just so many layers to it - one of the best of season 7.

On to your post - do you think Luna and Celestia are equal in power?  I ask because if Luna had the same control over the elements, would she, or could she banish Daybreaker?


It's pretty much a fact that Luna's dreamwalking started post-banishment. Why else would Celestia be so unfamiliar with the job in "A Royal Problem?" If any other circumstance were true, she should've known how to do it for centuries.


I think those forms are made from severe negative emotions. Luna wasn't just jealous, she was really really lonely and tired of giving up so much for nothing in return.

Don't really know why I wrote this but yeah.


Well, I wish Starlight would go back in time and make Daybreaker appear. Don't you?


I LOVE THIS CHANNEL! Keep up the sweet theories!


This is a good video but I don't think Celestia would turn bc of jealousy but bc she would be hungry for power as she IS at the very least one of the most powerful ponies. She would grow to think that she is the most powerful and would turn into daybreaker to gain more power. In the episode Daybreaker states that she is the more powerful version of Celestia. This emphasis on power makes me think that she would go after power both magical and as a ruler

Dunno tho


Celestia uses the element of Generosity and Kindness, she has zero reasons to turn evil. Where Luna uses the element of loyalty, and for the ponies to not appreciate the night, and Celestia not accepting her to not lower the moon, due to the jealousy to not feel as appreciated as her sister, and envious for the ponies to appreciate the night as she thought it deserved, she felt BETRAYED and turned evil


If anyone noticed, there’s a orange sun like bloby thing around Celestia’s cutie mark when she became Daybreaker. Is this kind of what happened to Luna’s cutie mark when and after she became Nightmare Moon? If so, it could mean the same dark power that made Luna switch is the sane for Celestia but in another timeline.


It's a decent theory and wou;d explain the timeline where Luna won.


oooo thanks for sparking my brain cells, I got one for you Mr. Notion, an alternative theory I hope you find interesting.

           lets say that Luna did have the ability to walk in pony dreams, no time travel required for her to learn about it, but not a lot of ponies know she can do that. In real life people don't always remember their dreams, maybe the same goes for ponies. it's possible that she tried to form friendships in ponies dreams. they'd be fast friends until Luna spoke to them during the day time, either the ponies would not remember, or they would only think they had a nice dream that night, and wonder why Luna knew so much about them. Some ponies may start to be scared of her and avoided her. Leave Luna jealous to all the attention Celestia was getting thus Luna gets banished.  this theory adds to the reason why Celestia sent her out to pony vile on night mare night during that one episode, so she could make friends while they were awake. anyway back on track that my lead to a most likely motive for Luna, but what about Celestia it this alternate idea?

             so lets say that all ponies remember there dreams and know all about Luna's dream walking ability. Well this still blends nicely with your theory for how Celestia mite go bad, all that is really different is the whole when Luna walked in dreams. I hope you like the idea I had, jest wanted to share I like watching your vids.


It's an interesting theory but I honestly think they just did it to stoke the fan boner, like  a "wow look at this it's why Celestia would look like if she was evil!" Type of thing since many ppl have drawn fanart of it waaaaaay before it was a thing


Wait, what about what you said about star swirl creating alicorns? If that theory was true then wouldn’t it make more sense for Luna to watch over dreams before she turned into Nightmare Moon? I mean, Star Swirl wouldn’t put her in charge of this realm and not tell her about it. So, one of these two theories has to be wrong. Unless it was something else that triggered Luna’s transformation
.


Some of the cannon comics answer this episode about Luna dream power ^^
The comic explains that when nightmare moon gets banished to the moon she meets the dream creature, some of the dream creatures teach Luna how to dream walk and control that type of powers, and she is a natural.
So she kinda have to get banished to the moon to learn from them... or at least travel to the moon and learn from them in some other way


I've watched a lot of your theory videos I enjoy them alot


Maybe Celestia can walk in ponies’ waking hours! Wait... everyone can do that.


I personally think that a potential for Daybreaker awakening would be different from Nightmare Moon.

Instead of jealousy, how about desperation? While Nightmare Moon is a tyrant, she still very much cared for her subjects as the only thing she wanted was to be appreciated more than her sister.

Yet Daybreaker is peculiar, she doesn't seem to be jealous of anypony like Nightmare Moon is, in fact she seemed full of herself, as well as absolutely confident in her abilities, what more is her interaction with Nightmare Moon.

Whereas a world where Nightmare Moon returned and won saw Celestia being banished to the Moon, Daybreaker commented that she'd much rather destroy Nightmare Moon as "banishment is too merciful".

So here's a possibility for her trigger, say Equestria is under threat, be it Sombra or Tirek, just a force powerful and cruel enough to force Celestia to try her best to save her people. But without Twilight and the Elements of Harmony (or even Luna), she'd have to do everything by herself. And when the fate awaiting her people should she fail began to overwhelm her with stress, who's to say she wouldn't give in to her own desires and simply tap more and more into the overwhelming powers of the Sun? Maybe it was just a little bit more at first, but that'd be enough to lead her down the path of Daybreaker.

Also, I think the Sombra alternate future could be a potential catalyst for a Daybreaker. Given Sombra's cruel mistreatment of ponies, who wouldn't say that Celestia's love for her ponies would warp into a desire to be powerful enough so nopony will ever be hurt under her watch.

That, I think, is the best potential for Daybreaker's origin.

Tldr, Daybreaker is a result of Celestia wanting to be more powerful to protect her subjects by destroying anything that pose a threat.


If Celestia did go rouge then I think she would be a more popular character.


To me, DayBreaker is the embodiment of Celestia’s ego. If Nightmare moon is the result of Luna feeling unappreciated, DayBreaker would be the result of Celestia letting all the attention get to her head. Look at their personalities. DayBreaker is a lot more boastful and overconfident compared to Nightmare moon, constantly bragging, something nightmare moon doesn’t do as much, probably cause she represents Luna’s insecurities, and as a result she expresses that through Nightmare moon. DayBreaker is far more egotistical. It would be very easy for Celestia to let all the love and adoration get to her head, over time she would see herself above others, and that would lead her to become more selfish and use her power for her own means, than helping others


To me, I kinda see day breaker and nightmare moon as Celestia and Luna's true form.


Damn, frequent uploads? Nice to see classic notion back man.<br>Still waiting for that film theory colab.

Damn, frequent uploads? Nice to see classic notion back man.
Still waiting for that film theory colab.


Maybe Luna has trouble realizing her Cutiemark the way Diamond Tiara did too. Then she realized that her cutiemark makes her rise the moon and also interact with the ponies in their dreams.


Do you really think that Daybreaker never existed? Celestia did say at the end of "A royal problem" "You will never exist AGAIN!" before blasting her(self) into oblivion. So one way or another, I think she did transform once, or at least, she considered giving in to the "Dark Side". Why then, I'm not sure. Other comments explained that Luna already had her powers before, but maybe didn't use them. I think she did use them. Why else would Luna talk about how unresolved dreams could have a lasting effect on somepony's psyche? She used to walk the dreams, and one day she failed at helping someone, which resulted in affecting their dream and their psyche. <br>Maybe (and there I'm pretty much wildly speculating), Celestia got jealous of Luna having a whole world basically for herself. She does rule, but "A royal problem" shows that she does not understand Luna's job. Celestia might have gotten jealous of Luna apparently slacking off all day and having a world she rules, much more than Tia herself. (you can even put in the love poison and Discord as a trigger, having Luna give up temporarily her royal duties, Tia becoming angry, and Discord unlocking her dark side) All in all, she snaps, becomes Daybreaker, but can finally recover her mind, maybe with Luna's help, they beat Discord (or not, if he's not involved), and Luna stops dreamwalking to preserve her sister's feelings. With time, she forgets what made her stop using her powers, gets lonely, and yadayada all the way to Nightmare Moon.

Do you really think that Daybreaker never existed? Celestia did say at the end of "A royal problem" "You will never exist AGAIN!" before blasting her(self) into oblivion. So one way or another, I think she did transform once, or at least, she considered giving in to the "Dark Side". Why then, I'm not sure. Other comments explained that Luna already had her powers before, but maybe didn't use them. I think she did use them. Why else would Luna talk about how unresolved dreams could have a lasting effect on somepony's psyche? She used to walk the dreams, and one day she failed at helping someone, which resulted in affecting their dream and their psyche.
Maybe (and there I'm pretty much wildly speculating), Celestia got jealous of Luna having a whole world basically for herself. She does rule, but "A royal problem" shows that she does not understand Luna's job. Celestia might have gotten jealous of Luna apparently slacking off all day and having a world she rules, much more than Tia herself. (you can even put in the love poison and Discord as a trigger, having Luna give up temporarily her royal duties, Tia becoming angry, and Discord unlocking her dark side) All in all, she snaps, becomes Daybreaker, but can finally recover her mind, maybe with Luna's help, they beat Discord (or not, if he's not involved), and Luna stops dreamwalking to preserve her sister's feelings. With time, she forgets what made her stop using her powers, gets lonely, and yadayada all the way to Nightmare Moon.


better idea
make a sequel to this video
go over (most of) the entire show, but in this alternate timeline


I think the way lunas story turned out which resulted in nightmare moon, if reversed would also happen to celestia. What if luna ended up getting what she wanted and started to become more of a face like celestia did when she started to notice her jealousy? What if when luna got her spotlight it made celestia jealous?

Another theory i have is that what if Daybreaker was possible not through anger and jealousy but sadness? Maybe luna being trapped in the moon for so long depress her and doing so out of guilt became Daybreaker because she let her negativity consume her?


But... wasn't Day Breaker extremely arrogant, proud and confident? I don't really think Celestia would turn into her because of jealously. Rather... lust of power? Megalomania?


Just theory was thrown out here, what if grogar escaped to the alternate mlp world in the comics and things like that because he was too weak, could also explain why changelings exist ya know.


I think Celestia became Daybreaker during a fight against Chrysalis. That is why Chrysalis have holes on her legs and wings because it was a burn made by Daybreaker.


Maybe Daybreaker and Nightmare Moon would overlap? Luna becomes Nightmare Moon, and let’s say Starlight takes one of the Elements. Celestia wouldn’t have the power necessary to defeat her, so she sacrifices herself and becomes Daybreaker to defeat Nightmare Moon, hoping that reformed Luna will be able to save Equestria.


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I've been waiting for you to cover this topic. Thank you :D


Celestia may have dreams of being Daybreaker because Luna knows Daybreakers name despite Celestia didn't tell her during A Royal problem.


One thing actually supports this theory as Luna did say she created the..tantapus? To punish herself for what she did as nightmare moon, which only exists in the dream world. If you think about it, it could mean/implies Luna didnt start ‘dream walking’ until after nightmare moon. At least that’s what I believe.


Sooo flurry hearth can become a more powerful evil version of herself if she gets angry enough?


this could potentially be a good theory if nightmare rarity didn't exist, within that comic it shows, or so I think I haven't read it in a while, that the moon or night creatures whatever they are, are what turned rarity into nightmare rarity. I'm pretty sure it is stated that The reason Luna turned into nightmare moon was because of these creatures taking control of her. the reason starlight thinks Celestia could turn into daybreaker is possibly just because she didn't know the real reason why luna turned.


I think you should check out the whawy hair thing because I think that it could be because they might be just magicful or powerful cuz in the legend of mistmane rarity said that mistmane was a powerful sourscores and that she went to the best magic school.
When nightmare moon was defeated(by the mane six), Luna came out to not have wavy hair but later she got the hair she has now.
I can't really look into it but I thought that this would be an interesting video.


I think celestia went rouge because she got jealous of her sister because she technically got the responsibility to raise the sun too becaise the sun is a star, and luna has to raise and lower stars, along with the moon.

Thanks for reading!!! I appreciate you could find the time to read this, thanks!!

Uh.. That isn't how it works in MLP at all and Celestia rose the Sun, moon and stars on her own for 1000 years while Luna was banished.


There is no reason to think that if Luna were to be popular, it would mean calling the Day Breaker. You can't compare to one psyche of two different individuals!

Celestia would interact with the ponies during the day. NO NEED Day Breaker.

Actually, Celestia and Luna would be popular, each in their time zone. And Twilight wouldn't have the need to make friends and go on an adventure that we could see it for 9 seasons!


This was a beautiful video I love watching your videos


rw:well in general ,everyone has a light and dark side in life.


Would cadence would've been the princess of canterlot and would twi still be the princess of friendship if that was opposite?