Fun fact: Luna can communicate to ponies looking at the moon. Celestia can do something similar but it’s... problematic.

Staring at the sun doesn’t make me blind it just makes my eyes hurt

@Me I sneeze when I look back the direction of the sun or the sunlight shining off of the car

Maybe the sunlight hitting the floor can solve the problem?

Dang, Celestia really can’t be <b>looked up to</b>

Dang, Celestia really can’t be *looked up to*

@Elizandra Martins Coutinho  Exactly thats why its kinda funny

@Mudkip Master <br>Ah, another ASDF fan I see.

@Mudkip Master
Ah, another ASDF fan I see.

Any pony looks at the sun gets blind by radiation

@Elizandra Martins Coutinho that's why it's problematic

That’s another thing that might actually caused Celestia to turn into Day Breaker

@Elizandra Martins Coutinho Exactly why it's problematic cause it'll blind said pony

talking to celestia officially costs you your sight

@Mudkip Master trollestia: hey, luna look at the sun <del>luna: -pulls out an uno reverse card</del> now u look at the sun

@Mudkip Master trollestia: hey, luna look at the sun -luna: -pulls out an uno reverse card- now u look at the sun

@• Atlas and Helena • exactly. You should not look at the sun directly as it could hurt your eyes

@Smith the inspiring animator
1, it was a joke
2, if it was true it would be problematic becuse looking at the sun is really bad for your eyes so ponies wanting to communicate with celestia would have to almost go blind

@Smith the inspiring animator about what

@Hi you do realise you cant gi blind by looking at the moon, it's literally not even bright enough

@BlindKore  Not all the time. I have looked at the sun hundreds of times and I can still see.

@BlindKore then why I'm not blind yet? 🤔

Your eyes will hurt and get blurry like my dad’s so never do that ok.

@Anwen Lokier did i say anything else except lmao?

@Heizou Heizou oh really in the original nightmare of elm Street movie it's original ending was the moon blinked like nightmare moon blinked

Me who stared at sun for five minutes straight in my car:

What is able to talk to them inside the sun

Trollestia: Hey buddy, look over here.<br>Also Trollestia: Haha, now you're blind.

Trollestia: Hey buddy, look over here.
Also Trollestia: Haha, now you're blind.


I think Luna is clearly an introvert and Celestia is definitely an extrovert

@PolskaQueen yes. Very true. It's like she does that just because of her role. We can kinda see she's tired and crapped up of it

Then that would make Cadence and Twilight ambivert and omnivert

@Gwen Shapp as an introvert I love hanging out with people. Yes I can be shy and awkward, but I can overcome that. Anyways yeah I lose a lot of energy hanging out with people. I don’t even have to try to pretend or anything, but gosh it can get tiring.

Also just because someone is socially awkward doesn't mean their an introvert, it just means they struggle to socialize effectively.

Being an introvert or extrovert depends on how you gain energy, if you gain energy from being alone your an introvert, if you gain energy from being with people your an extrovert. Believe it or not there are social introverts. Little lesson for ya guys to help you better understand not only yourselves but these characters as well.

@Terry true. Celestia doesn't seem to be cool with spending time with lots of people, she just has to

you can tell luna was inside the moon for a long time lol

Luna definitely plays video games in her spare time

@Kimberly Larkin that's not what introvert means

Two alicorns, former rulers of equestria, are sitting on a bus.

“Long ride, huh? Hey, Luna, remember when I had to banish you to the moon for 1000 years? Long time, huh?”

“... Please, stop bringing that up. I- I’d rather keep to myself.”

Asteroid yup ! But like I laughed so hard when she loves the post office I'm like wth she's been on the moon for a long time


Why do I feel like daybreaker is celestias hidden rage. After all, the brightest smiles have the darkest secrets

Well, you are correct... Even my smiling has a dark secret

@Annica Reine Santos it was probably 182 when she commented

@Moonshadow I think it’s “party of one” aha, have a great time watching

I’m pretty sure that’s not the only episode pinkie goes a bit insane in the more scary way though

@Otaku what episode/season was that? I’m watching it coz I haven’t done I was like 8, but I would like to know

That’s why there are so much smiles trash in the horror genre

I remember scarinf high school friends with a "Party of One" lol
Considering ponies Emotions intermingle with their Power, i think truely outrageous level of outburst will overpower all reason and lead that pony to do what they most desire.

Luna, Sunset, Rarity, Sci Twi, Starlight and others had extreme magical or emotional outburst that lead them being astray or completly dominated by their desire.

Nice,Sawtooth.By the way,I’m a fan.GIVE ME A SHOUTOUT! I’m a alicorn,by the way.

and Daybreaker showed up in season 9 premiere and Nightmare Moon again so...

@Annabelle Phen Lee just like dark jack from samurai Jack

I agree except for "the brightest smile have the darkest secrets"💀🔫

They can. And sometimes the dark secret has to do with how they learned to truely smile

@coldhaixx I agree her mother and father were already dead so it must have been hard to banish her sister to the moon and rule with no famil

This comment has 728 likes but I disagree mostly

Yesssss, this is me<br>I have the fakest smile on EARTH

Yesssss, this is me
I have the fakest smile on EARTH

@Annica Reine Santos when I saw it, it was 8 likes

@Otaku it still scares the crap out of me-

remember that one episode where pinkie started hallucinating- iM not trying to be edgy but if u wanna dig deep that episode always scared the living crap out of me when I was a kid lmao

I mean what if celestia had many mortal friends but they all passed away slowly that would be depressing since celestia is a type of person who would grief about that and since luna isn't that close with ponies <br>Celestia would also regret sending her sister to the moon and feeling like that awful sister

I mean what if celestia had many mortal friends but they all passed away slowly that would be depressing since celestia is a type of person who would grief about that and since luna isn't that close with ponies
Celestia would also regret sending her sister to the moon and feeling like that awful sister

Only 182 likes? Bah! Let’s give it one more.

𝘊𝘢𝘱𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘖𝘳𝘦𝘰

I refuse to believe that this comment has only 8 likes


Luna doesn't get the appreciation she deserves like how the ponies would die of lack of sleep if she didnt bring the night

Lack of sleep & Too much sleep are both bad

@Kimberly Larkin Ah! A Wings of Fire fan I see. Nightwings are my favorite tribe. Which one is yours?

@mipierainbows but this statement doesn’t isn’t about sun being forever it is about sleeping in day or night

@Ishaan Saini well, that's no problem, because if the sun was there forever, then eventually we would adapt and evolve to that fact, would we not?

@mipierainbows I kind of think you are right but it is adaptation and evolution.Humans are not active in night as most wild animals

@Ishaan Saini i never talked about work, it makes sense that they do work in the day, but they dont need a moon to know when theyre tired,human bodies signal when they need sleep

@mipierainbows it is because of scheduling works are done in day because there is light and activity

They'd be so tired that they would easily fall asleep during the long day... Dude, just pull down curtains...

Trixie, is luster dawn your own daughter?

@ΡΙΖΟΣ ΚΡΑΒΒΑΡΙΤΗΣ exactly

@ΡΙΖΟΣ ΚΡΑΒΒΑΡΙΤΗΣ exactly

@mipierainbows i mean if they wanna sleep then they just close all curtains and dorrs

ΡΙΖΟΣ ΚΡΑΒΒΑΡΙΤΗΣ

NightWings: Yesn’t

But seriously that is accurate, she needs more appreciation.

If only night owls existed a millennium ago

@MakeItRayne X3 Morning & Night are like Yin-Yang they compliment each other. Not race to see which one’s better

@MakeItRayne X3 We need morning- it warms up the earth. Every pony would freeze to death morning never came. And ponies that did survive wouldn’t have plants to eat because they would be frozen to ice by the constantly cold night.

We need night- it cools down the earth. Every pony would burn to death if night never came. And the ponies that did survive wouldn't have plants to eat because they would be burned to a crisp by the constantly burning sun.

I agree. In the show Luna didn’t get much screen time. But in the fandom, there’s a lot of fanfiction about her and Celestia’s relationship and she’s the fandom’s favorite Alicorn

Me who stays up all night and sleeps in the day and people who live above the Arctic circle in the summer like: well yes but no


<b>I honestly though day breaker was going to be in the final for the series. Its a shame they didn't do anything more with that version of celestia, so much potential...</b>

*I honestly though day breaker was going to be in the final for the series. Its a shame they didn't do anything more with that version of celestia, so much potential...*

Like a way we end the show with a similar villan we began it

Ikr. I can imagine Celestia having a breakdown or something

I think DayBreaker would be way too powerful for the mane 6 and the elements of harmony. Celestia is basically God and despite being equals Luna is younger and weaker than her. Daybreaker is stronger than Nightmare Moon even if the only evidence is from a dream. Just a little fanfic idea but if nightmare moon's goal was an eternal night I feel like DayBreakera goal would be an intense everlasting heat, perhaps turning the sun into a red giant and engulfing the planet, something really dark and powerful like that.

@Degz personally I think cozy is ugly more than adorable

I think the only way for Daybreaker to come out would of if they went into Celestia mind and accidently unleashes her deepest regrets and rage, that burst of emotion and magic could of been made even worst by Tirek or someone teasing her. Bam! Anger and resentment burns bright as Celestia airs all her repressed anger to everyone.

I would have loved to see Daybreaker in the final battle. Maybe even Nightmare Moon.

wellllll what if in the next version of MLP Daybreaker is the big villian or something. Idk-

@Twilight Sparkle I don't think so... 9 seasons is huge as is...

@Degz she was also appeared in twilight nightmare when sombra took over crystal empire

@Ashlee Richards Me Looking for where I asked:

Hm, I see nothing

•ʟᴏᴄᴀʟ ᴡᴇᴇʙ•

•ʟᴏᴄᴀʟ ᴡᴇᴇʙ•

the whole show had so much potential to show us celestia and lunas family, their parents origin, family tree, relatives, other dimensions... but they didnt. i really wish they did

What if she appears in the new upcoming movie? it sounds dumb but maybe?

@Twilight Sparkle I mean if 9 years are short, sure

Twilight Sparkle yes, G4 had a TON of potential for lots of great episodes: they could have explored the Kirin/Nirik species more in depth, possibly battling a group of rogue Nirik who are always angry and helped them, they could have further explained palace life for the royal sisters, or we could have gotten to know the origin of the crystal empire, how the heart was created and how the crystal ponies came to be. Such a shame really

@Ashlee Richards That's neat and all
But I don't remember asking ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

@Ashlee Richards *That's neat and all*
_But I don't remember asking ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_

Ashlee Richards <br>Then why do you watch Mlp theory videos :p

Ashlee Richards
Then why do you watch Mlp theory videos :p

Degz
* I agree,
I would have been satisfied with that ending, like someone else in the replies said, ending the circle of the Mlp franchise, it started with Nightmare Moon it would’ve been cool to see it end with a different version of Nightmare Moon, hence Daybreaker*

@Twilight Sparkle <br>So quickly? Okay i also wish they do more but as one of creators say "three seasons is a succes". And if counting season 10 comics, Gen 4 is alive for over decade! Is it really "quick" to you? (Sorry for bad english, im from not-english country)

@Twilight Sparkle
So quickly? Okay i also wish they do more but as one of creators say "three seasons is a succes". And if counting season 10 comics, Gen 4 is alive for over decade! Is it really "quick" to you? (Sorry for bad english, im from not-english country)

Well I used to watch this audio drama. They used daybreaker before she was even existing. So idk go watch it? It’s called Remembrance.

Lmao, im sorry, but i cant take this seriously with the bold text-

@waawwaaawa <b>I quite liked her personality, crazy and adorableness...you cant deny it tho she cute af :3</b>

@waawwaaawa *I quite liked her personality, crazy and adorableness...you cant deny it tho she cute af :3*

@Degz yep. Her motivation and personality were the most meh for a villain to me

Yes instead we got a 10 year old high pitched brat

@Yassmine Bouhouch <b>Yeah man, last year it ended with season 9, gotta check it out it had a wholesome ending :)</b>

@Yassmine Bouhouch *Yeah man, last year it ended with season 9, gotta check it out it had a wholesome ending :)*

@Grace Well if they did return day breaker it wouldn't be out of "no where" because it would have been planned seasons before hand. I had this thought when "a royale problem" aired, alot has changed since, im just saying it would have been cool if they planned to return her for the finally of the series, not "make celestia evil for no reason"
And there is so much they could've done with her character for a finally

@Grace *Well if they did return day breaker it wouldn't be out of "no where" because it would have been planned seasons before hand. I had this thought when "a royale problem" aired, alot has changed since, im just saying it would have been cool if they planned to return her for the finally of the series, not "make celestia evil for no reason"*
And there is so much they could've done with her character for a finally

@Degz but.... come on what could they have done with her? Making Celestia evil out of nowhere just for the sake of returning Daybreaker?

@Tori <b>She only showed up for 5 minutes of "a royal problem". It wouldn't be repetitive at all as shes realistically much different to nightmare moon, she had close to no screen time and they could have done more with her character.</b>

@Tori *She only showed up for 5 minutes of "a royal problem". It wouldn't be repetitive at all as shes realistically much different to nightmare moon, she had close to no screen time and they could have done more with her character.*

But that would've been kind of repetitive and cliché

Now that you mention it, that would be cool. Honoring the start of the series. Coming full circle.


Luna always seemed to know something. Like when her and Celestia switched cutie marks, and Celestia tried to help Starlight 's nightmare, she asked what's wrong, but when Luna was helping the CCM, she seemed to already know what was wrong

@neato burrito i totally agree with your point. Luna is a true observant. When the royal sisters had vacation, she's extremely interested with post office due to the process of letters distribution and the logistic system in it

I feel like that might be due to Luna being observant. Imagine being stuck on the moon for a thousand years makes one accustomed to watching. When she helps the CMC it's usually near the end of their nightmares and Luna, being the usual warden of dreams, is able to piece things together. Celestia is much more accustomed to being informed and watching over her kingdom from a broader, much more distant perspective. If you're used to being told, it's much more of a challenge to infer. Just my thoughts lol


That explains Luna’s cutie mark. The black blob represents a thought bubble. Dreaming. Luna didn’t walk in dreams back then so she didn’t have that symbol. It gave Celestia that blob with the moon when starlight changes Celestia and Luna’s cutie marks because Celestia then had the power to walk in dreams.


Hmm if Daybreaker took the place of Nightmare Moon, how different would the story of Friendship is Magic be?

@Areebah sidiqui how would celestia know how to be a night princess it would be the same but with luna

luna would take responsibility for sun and moon i think there would be an alternate 6 or not nightmare cadance would replace queen chrysalis but cadance would be replaced with princess chrysalis marrying prince sombra who replaces shining armour so that definitely means there would be and an alternate 6

ohohoho… VERY DIFFERENT, Let me tell ya that

oh shit it would so different plus luna is younger than celestia

VERY DIFFERENT luna doesnt understand how to be a day princess and i never really remember her smiling she couldn't have given her pupils any courage and they probably need alot of that

@eunahjang One thing for sure, we'll see a grown up Luna form with her mane as large as Celestia 😂 there's AU designs made by fans in google. I'ev checked that out haha. Meanwhile Celestia will only have same mane as Small Luna but with pink flowing mane instead of rainbow

@cupcakes the thing is, she would have time to even go dreamwalking if she needed to substitute Celestia?

@John Smith I disagree. The reason Luna acted the way she did when she returned was because she wasn't there to evolve with the times. Dreamwalking would have also played a factor in her change of demeanour. As she'd be going into people's nightmares she'd learn pretty quick that formality and using the Canterlot voice to address those just out of perceived danger would have a negative effect on them.

Having Luna as a teacher would have been super rough, considering her personality.  The nation would have also been a bit more militant and serious, too.  And, of course, let's not forget how she uses her Canterlot voice to 'address her subjects'.  Other than that, not much different.

Since Luna was younger it’d be twice as more awkward 😂😂😂


Years ago I had this theory where why Celestia was weak in every episode and that she Loses in battles even if she's literally a princess and that would make me angry but then after seconds I thought...wait a minute...what if she had a reason for it? What if she was holding back because she doesn't want to let it out? Like what if she loses control of it? What if she was hiding something powerful? What if there is a limit on how much she can use her powers and energy in a day before she loses control of it? Because just as Daybreaker had said to her, that she holds greater power inside of her and she isn't using it. Daybreaker might have been a dream but to Celestia's face, she looked sad as if it was the truth...but then again...there wasn't much proof and I abandoned such theory but hey some of it could be true... The more you look into Celestia the more you feel like its mysterious

Oh my-<br>That lighted up a spark in me somehow. Thanks

Oh my-
That lighted up a spark in me somehow. Thanks


plot twist: Celestia turns into Mightmare Noon cuz she didnt get to have cake for breakfast


"She brings the night with her. The ponies still dance to luna's night"

Nightmare Moon: Aight imma head out

"She brings the night with her. The ponies still dance to luna's night"

Nightmare Moon: *Aight imma head out*


She was younger back then, meaning she may not have been as experienced and skilled to walk through pony’s dreams due to the fact that she just wasn’t ready/ didn’t have the power to yet.


That theory does sound solid, although I think it would have taken more than Luna developing a personal bond with her subjects to break Celestia.  This is because Tia does have personal acquaintances in the show, despite having all those royal duties, so she most likely had friends she could turn to at that time, as well.  If anything could break her, it most likely wouldn't have been Luna herself causing it.

If I had a guess, the most likely thing that could break her would involve Luna, though, specifically from Luna's misfortune rather than her fortune.  Let's consider that Tia most likely felt regret toward her instinctive reaction of banishing her sister to the moon, like fan fiction would suggest.  She could have been driven rogue at any point between that incident and Luna's return when anyone mocked or spoke ill of Nightmare Moon and took it too far.  Fortunately, Tia maintained her composure, as far as we know.  Also, the Mane Six might have created a different outcome using the Elements against NM, such as turning her to stone or worse, which could possibly tip Tia over the edge.

As for Day Breaker, I often wonder if that is really Tia's true dark form.  Even though one of Tia's parallel world counterparts got turned into Day Breaker in the Nightmare Knights comic series, she is still allegedly a figment of Starlight's imagination.  With this in mind, either Starlight has some subliminal sense to know an individual's dark side and manifest it in her nightmares, or Eris can see into the dreams of others the same way Luna can and give others fake dark forms with her magic.  If the latter ends up being the case, then Tia's dark form could be anything, maybe even something far worse.

That theory does sound solid, although I think it would have taken more than Luna developing a personal bond with her subjects to break Celestia.  This is because Tia does have personal acquaintances in the show, despite having all those royal duties, so she most likely had friends she could turn to at that time, as well.  If anything could break her, it most likely wouldn't have been Luna herself causing it.

If I had a guess, the most likely thing that could break her would involve Luna, though, specifically from Luna's _misfortune_ rather than her fortune.  Let's consider that Tia most likely felt regret toward her instinctive reaction of banishing her sister to the moon, like fan fiction would suggest.  She could have been driven rogue at any point between that incident and Luna's return when anyone mocked or spoke ill of Nightmare Moon and took it too far.  Fortunately, Tia maintained her composure, as far as we know.  Also, the Mane Six might have created a different outcome using the Elements against NM, such as turning her to stone or worse, which could possibly tip Tia over the edge.

As for Day Breaker, I often wonder if that is really Tia's true dark form.  Even though one of Tia's parallel world counterparts got turned into Day Breaker in the Nightmare Knights comic series, she is still allegedly a figment of Starlight's imagination.  With this in mind, either Starlight has some subliminal sense to know an individual's dark side and manifest it in her nightmares, or Eris can see into the dreams of others the same way Luna can and give others fake dark forms with her magic.  If the latter ends up being the case, then Tia's dark form could be anything, maybe even something far worse.


Man it’s so weird watching this type of pony content years after leaving the fandom... Like this video isn’t old, but it still makes me feel nostalgic


4:11 You forgot about the elements needing to be in Luna’s possession. Celestial would probably still have them and plunge the world into eternal sunlight

No I don’t think so to defeat discord both sisters used the elements together so I think Luna would have been capable of banishing daybreaker but if she could have ruled equestria is a interesting idea


While Celestia may fear becoming like Nightmare Moon, I think feelings of jealousy and Daybreaker's helmet could create her villain version. Much like how the alicorn amulet made Trixie more powerful and evil. The reason I think this is possible is because of a series of Mlp shorts. The series of shorts are called the "FUNdamentals of Magic" in one of these Celestia mentions evil enchanted objects and it shows several including Daybreakers helmet. I think the helmet could take small feelings of jealousy and make those feelings a lot bigger creating a villain.


If you remember an old video from Sawtooth Waves, if Dark Magic IS Alicorn Magic, it would explain why Twilight, Luna and Celestial have “dark versions” of themselves. Dark and Alicorn magic are dualism, if Alicorn Magic is so powerful, there must be a down side to it.


Didn't Daybreaker mock Celestia saying, "Deep inside you know how powerful you are," "Who needs balance when you can have it all?", "Oh please, you can do whatever you want and all you have to do is get rid of anypony who stands in your way,". To me, that sounds like the temptation of power and control. I do think it's possible the lack of emotional attachment could bring about Daybreaker maybe along with that temptation. One's hard enough to resist falling to.

Edit: Why is this one of my most-liked comments?

Nightmare moon: Jealousy<br>Daybreaker: Pride/Greed??

Nightmare moon: Jealousy
Daybreaker: Pride/Greed??

@Kit-San Well they arrived to the two fighting anyway so I think it was before that, dawnbreaker ignored starlight though because she was acting as a spectator in the dream watching the consequences she feared her actions would result in. She spoke with celestia because celestia interacted with her unlike starlight who just talked to herself.

@Whwhwhhwhhhwh Dldkjdsnsjskskskdk  Its possible, likely even, but keep in mind dreams and the dream world possibly have more weight than they do in the real world. Its also possible that when Celestia showed up only then and there did Dawnbreaker appear.

Plus, Dawnbreaker completely ignored Starlight with the sole exception being when Starlight tried to stop them with the argument of balance, otherwise only speaking to either Celestia or Nightmare Moon. Heck, she spoke with Celestia the most and even started with talking with her first. At least, that's how I am remembering it.

Remember that was just a dream created by fear and doesn’t necessarily relate at all to what Celestia could become if she was evil.

Yeah I would think the reason why she would turn into day breaker is by how like you said it and pride

Following his theory, I think that achieving the absolute power would be a way to relief the feeling that Luna is more loved than Celestia

Wasn’t it an overwhelming amount of power that turned twilight into Midnight sparkle? So maybe their evil versions have to do something with A lot of power.

It could be both like at first she got jealous and then she fell into the need to have power and control because ponies didn't really care about her anymore

I agreed that it was power and not jealousy that would have turned Celestia into Daybreaker


This video actually makes a lot of sense, and I really wish they had focused as much on Celestia and Luna in terms of lore and development as they did for the mane six and CMC.


I like how the first time we see Luna fulfilling her true destiny and actually connecting with her cutie Mark is was with the CMC, further foreshadowing their cutie marks


This reminds me of my first AA theory. The small changes in the timeline that could be made basically flipped the script on the charecters. (I know no one understood this comment)


I had just gotten an idea for one of the futures starlight caused. The last one really. What if from the pressure (this is celestia I’m talking about) or something similar from having to banish her sister or worrying about her sister’s return and not being able to change anything about it (because the main 6 aren’t with each other, especially since twilight wouldn’t have gotten into the school). So when nightmare moon finally came back, when they fought or when celestia was put wherever she was when nightmare moon was freed, celestia became daybreaker and they fought until either nothing was left or they were fighting when another villain came. Idk but this idea just randomly came to me when listening to this video again.


Here's something to add to this: Would Luna have opened the school of magic that Celestia taught? Would she have sent Twilight to Ponyville? Would the show have played out the same if Luna was the Ruler for so long?


I have an answer for Daybreaker:Luna has stars in the nightime and they look like millions of suns.Celestia might think they are suns,get jealous and will become Daybreaker.


Celestia is still more appreciated locally then Luna, so Luna could've still been jealous of her even if she was dream walking


Fascinating video and theory, thank you for sharing! I wonder also if another possibility is that Luna did used to dreamwalk even before she was banished, but ponies didn't really properly appreciate her or, worse, perhaps found her frightening? It's human (or I suppose in this case pony) nature to be afraid of the dark so perhaps ponies' fear of the nighttime and darkness extended to Luna, who became sort of the personification of these things? It's hard to say exactly, but evidently envy was a large part of Luna's descent into evil. I wonder also if perhaps she saw things in pony's nightmares (again, assuming she dreamwalked even before her banishment) that scarred and traumatized her. I mean nightmares are pretty frightening, but at least when we wake up our memories of them tend to fade and we're not fully lucid during them. Also nightmares are (hopefully) uncommon occurrences for the average person, whereas poor Luna would be fully lucid, remember them in great detail, and dealing with hundreds of nightmares every night! Even if she knows they're just nightmares (unlike the pony that is sleeping) it's still disturbing some of the stuff our minds are capable of conjuring up.

Interestingly, I think the opposite is true of Daybreaker. Celestia would become Daybreaker not out of jealousy, but out of arrogance and a hunger for power. In an alternate timeline perhaps Celestia would be less scrupulous and become corrupted by power, for as they say "power corrupts". In the episode itself Celestia says to Luna that Starlight's nightmare is what she thinks will happen if the two sisters continue fighting, so perhaps that is itself the answer. Celestia becomes Daybreaker and Luna becomes Nightmare Moon (again) because the two sisters continue to fight and bicker and their relationship fractures and becomes so toxic that they eventually come to hate each other and try to kill one another.


I've always had a theory since the episode where Twilight became an alicorn. In the letter Twilight got, it mentioned that StarSwirl had done this spell before, and that he couldn't reverse the effects. Since the effects happen to the ponies of the elements, when he did the spell, wasn't it Luna and Celestia who were the ones with the elements? Wouldn't that mean that Celestia used to have a moon cutie mark? And Luna a sun? If so, that would mean Celestia could turn into whoever, I guess. Also, going back to StarSwirl couldn't reverse the effects. I don't know if there are any flaws to this theory, since I made it as a kid.


This would also explain why Celestia was confused by Luna’s responsibilities in the dreamworld and the loneliness of it as she overtook Luna’s responsibilities while she was on the moon.


This is a really good theory! I think that this is why/how Celestia could turn into daybreaker. She would be jealous that she can’t/doesn’t have a strong connection or bond emotionally and physically with her subjects like Luna does. But that’s part of Luna’ job.
Her job is to fight nightmares and help pony’s. She does that emotionally. It’s not part of Celestias job or role in equestria tho.
Besides Celestia already has a pony who she is emotionally and physically there for all the time and will comfort her any time she needs it: Twilight.
Celestia has Twilight. She helps Twilight a lot as we see in the show. Tho that’s just 1 pony.
So it makes sense of Celestia would get jealous one day of Luna


This also explains why Luna's hair wasn't mystical and flowing when nightmare moon was defeated. She had to mature and unlock the rest of her abilities over time


My theory is that Luna could always dream walk. Let me ask: how often do you remember your dreams? As for myself, not often unless I have a nightmare.

Luna went unappreciated because no one remembered what she did for them every night. Or in my case, only when she fails.

As for Daybreaker/Nightmare Noon, it could still happen.

Yeah the show's over; but the loyal sisters were mysteriously absent during the epilogue.

One word: boredom. Think about episodes like 'Make New Friends, but Keep Discord,' 'Between Dark and Dawn,' and so one. She's not exactly mentally stable without her queenly persona.

She might just snap out of boredom than anything else.

All these fanfic/headcannons are great! Tho long

@Lolly Piness what’s the CMC’s? I kids haven’t watched MLP on a while……

FarBeyondStrange it should be day dream noon

Didn't starlight have a friendship problem between the two princesses how were they still fighting

Gracie Monroy I remember my dreams typically too- no matter what they are although I must be forgetting some things because you could have multiple dreams in one night and for me it’s a memory of one story. Your age also plays a role in how well you can remember dreams; the younger you are the more vivid dreams are and the more likely you are to recall them.

So its not normal to remember your dreams i do

I only remember my nightmares when I have them constantly like I have a nightmare and well I have it constantly so it’s not scary but anyways in that nightmare me and my family are in our car it’s dark outside raining really hard and we’re speeding with types of apartments around us and no ones around there’s thunder but no lightning ⛈ (*tv is on in the background*) and I’m in the car with my family my mom is the one driving no dad and I don’t really know what to type next but that was the most likely dream/nightmare

@Lolly Piness Before we can theorize how one can fall to the dark side, we must identify what is the characteristics and behaviors of their evil persona. Nightmare Moon, for example, is characterized by resentment and bitterness. From there, we can deduce that she turned evil because she was treated unfairly/unappreciated, and then walking further down to how it happened.

The problem with Daybreaker is that the version we saw in the show is only the interpretation of Starlight's subconscious. There is no guarantee once Celestia turns evil, the real Daybreaker would behave the same. In my opinion, an evil Celestia would more probably express anger and hatred (like had been depicted very well in many fanfics before Daybreaker actually went on air) rather than the cocky and arrogant behavior we saw in Starlight's dream. It fits more with Celestia's personality.

But for the sake of discussion, let's just say the Daybreaker version we saw in Starlight's dream is the same as the real Daybreaker. The most particular characteristics of this Daybreaker are that she always tries to project herself as a strong pony, and she despises weaknesses, like when she mocked Nightmare Moon for being gloomy and whining because she was sad. So how could Celestia end up in that state of mind? The most probable course would be that she lost something/someone dear to her due to the weakness of herself/someone else, therefore she turns to detest weaknesses. For instance, a new crisis happens in Equestria and the ponies, due to fear, demand that Twilight and the other Elements go investigate/confront that danger alone, and Celestia, under the pressure, goes along with it, which ended up getting Twilight and her friends hurt badly/killed. That is a possible course of event that could lead to Celestia turning into Daybreaker.

And as you can probably tell, this setting fits perfectly well with the story of Luna's banishment. For example, under my theory, after discovering the dream spying Luna had been doing, the ponies, particularly the nobles, due to fear and/or their self interest, demanded Luna to be detained. Celestia, under the desire to keep peace and order and the reluctance to confront her subjects, yielded to the pressure and did just that, which prompted Luna to feel betrayed, unappreciated, snap and then get banished. Now, in the canon, Celestia didn't snap as well and managed to hold herself together. However, if that event had turned out in a more drastic way, such as the Elements outright killing off Luna or banishing her without any possibility of returning (or at least as far as Celestia knew of), that could have pushed Celestia over the edge, making her hate the ponies for their fear and pettiness that lost her the only sister, and herself for being weak and not standing up for her sister, therefore adopting a strong mare persona. All in all, I think that is the most probable scenario for Daybreaker to happen.

Secret Moon Good point. Luna almost definitely would have encountered even more pronounced feelings of resentment against her which would have definitely contributed to her transformation and the growing rift between her and her sister. I read your other comments and I agree with you there too. Although I still think the biggest factor in her transformation was the failure of her sister to see her and appreciate her. That with the lack of appreciation from her subjects and the growing (shall we say) anger and resentment of whoever she couldn’t help and those she could (due to her being able to access private thoughts and emotions) is in my opinion a “sound” theory to how Nightmare Moon came to be. As for Daybreaker- I’d love to hear an in depth take in your opinion but I personally believe it would be accredited to a lack of understanding between the two.

Lolly Piness    Regarding what caused Luna to turn into Nightmare Moon, I have a theory that I already discussed in the reply section of the pinned comment, so you can look for it if you're interested.

But even if not going by my theory, there are many ways Luna could have fallen. You brought up a very interesting point about the number of ponies she could help. Indeed for every night, even if she had worked herself to death she could have only dispelled the nightmare of a dozen or two ponies at most. Then we would have to ask what did the ponies who had nightmares but weren't helped by Luna think about her? There could be anger and resentment, especially if back then ponies considered it Luna's duty to guard their dreams as compared to current time after a thousand years Celestia just let it be and everypony just coped with it. Also, Equestria back then had just stepped out of the dark time. Nightmares could have rampaged much more than now, which means the number of ponies who weren't helped, and who bore resentment against Luna could have been a lot more than those who were grateful of her for her hard work. So the cause for Luna's fall might not have been because ponies didn't remember her, but actually because ponies were expecting too much of her, and turned to bear a grudge on her when she couldn't live up to that expectation, causing her to feel unappreciated for her work.

Furthermore, dreams usually reveal more honest thoughts and feelings. If Luna had used a more observing approach in the past instead of direct interaction like with the CMC (and even if she did interact in dreams), she could have constantly encountered feelings of resentment toward her and/or thoughts of comparison between her and her sister, making it easy for her to feel hated and unappreciated, as well as seeding her hatred and jealousy toward her sister.

Secret Moon I agree. Luna seems far too confident and comfortable in the dream realm and the abilities she has in it for this to be some she discovered after returning. As for what changed her into Nightmare Moon in the first place? I honestly think it just boiled down to miscommunication and misconceptions. The Royal Problem episode spent a lot of time emphasising the dynamic between the sisters. Starlight had the nightmare because she was afraid that was what would happen if they continued to fight. The whole reason she switched their cutie marks in the first place was because they weren’t getting along- largely due to neither of them understanding each other and their work. And in Slice of Life we get a glimpse into the regular sisterly conflict they experience. Anyone with siblings knows that there is frequent arguments and often times emotions can boil over and you reach a breaking point. Let’s take a look at the jealousy angle again. Assuming Luna was able to walk in dreams what would she be jealous of? I argue she’s still jealous of her sister. Sure she can form relationships in the dream realm but like this thread began with- dreams are often vague memories if you can remember them at all. Lessons and interactions can be remembered very well in this universe as made apparent by several episodes but I still don’t think it would seem quite real. The CMCs cleverly avoid mentioning Luna by name when the ponies around them what warranted such a change in behaviour. Plus it seems Luna is very selective in whose dreams she enters- those with the worst nightmares perhaps. Since it seems the dream visits happen in real time (she returns tired) she can really only help a limited number of ponies. Even if she could unite as many dreams as possible and solve all their problems there would likely be a huge pool of ponies she never reached and the same problems would arise. Everyone knows about the Sun princess; the figurehead of Equestria- and they forget to give Luna the credit she deserves. The song Lullaby to a Princess (although some of the story has been disproven over the years) brings up the interesting angle that even Celestia failed to give Luna the credit she was due. Even if Luna could walk in dreams (and again I am arguing this angle) that probably would have changed. I don’t know about anyone else but I care a lot about what my sister thinks about me. I could have all the praise in the world and yet I could see myself dissatisfied if my sister didn’t give me credit for my accomplishments. So, while jealousy I think did and would play a huge role in either of their transformations I think that the sisterly dynamic would play an even bigger role.

@Sawtooth Waves She has too much knowledge of dream walking to just discover it recently. She knew the potentials of the Tantabus (actually she created it herself after coming back, and creating a dream deity should not be something you are able to do if you just discover dream walking recently), she knew Celestia has no power over dream, she knew how to make shared dream and even remarked that she had never done it with so many ponies, meaning that she had done it many times before.

The dream realm in mlp is different from the normal dreams we have <br>Literally everypony rembers thier dreams/nightmares

The dream realm in mlp is different from the normal dreams we have
Literally everypony rembers thier dreams/nightmares

True, most people don't remember their dreams, but it seems like when Luna enters a dream she can make ponies remember her at least. After all she can only enter one dream at a time.

On the other hand she does have the power to combine dreams so she could have theoretically created an entire town of ponies to befriend. Or at least she could have created a friend in her dreams (I mean she created the Tantabus which almost entered the real world to destroy it, if she could dream walk and had that kind of power, amplified by the nightmare moon form. She would have been very stupid to try and attack Celestia in the real world, when she could have imprisoned her in a nightmare instead.

Good point, but if you remember your nightmare, chances are you'll remember what saved you from it. The ponies emerge with their lessons learned in tact, most likely same with the memories. As per "do princesses dream of magic sheep" ponies seem to be generally aware of Luna's job anyway


I absolutely love Princess Celestia and Princess Luna. In fact, my two horses somewhat mirror the princesses existence.


The way its handled in the Hearts of Iron 4: Equestria at War mod is that, Celestia turns into Daybreaker after much militarizing and mounting sacrifice to protect harmony and her ponies as tensions with the Changelings grow ever more drastic, a war with them is inevitable and with managing her performative duties with her newfound military duties could overwhelm her with anger and stress. If Celestia boils over and Supernovas too early without the support of the ponies, a civil war erupts between her and Luna.


I stopped watching MLP in S3 but I will gladly live vicariously through these theory videos

glad you enjoy these but you're missing out!!!!!


I wonder if others have noticed- but the marking under Lunas cutie mark is very similar to the one underneath DayBreakers! Which makes me think the dark mark is almost like a cutie mark-scar! Left over to remind her of night mare moon


I always thought that it would be less of celestia snapping. More her becoming blinded by been worshipped, where she'd become hungry for more and eventutaly become a tyrant and try to take over everything.


I've always felt that Dream Walking was something Princess Luna gained/learned after her return, due to the reasons you give in the video, despite your initial assumptions to the contrary.  I even had a headcanon at one point that Princess Celestia somehow gave Luna that ability as a kind of compromise/apology, but looking back, I don't think I think that now - Dream Walking should be Luna's own ability, as it goes with her Princess of the Night title, even if (in my headcanon) it was something she gained later on.

I like your theory on how Celestia could have become Daybreaker.
(Side Note: I may have only just realized that the name Daybreaker sounds kind of cool - I know some bronies wanted her to be called Solar Flare, but that just makes me think of Gangnam Style, so I probably wouldn't take the name seriously - respect if they prefer it, though.)


Gotta say, I love that one comic about Clestia and Sombra, with the whole alternate universe where both she and Luna went evil


I actually offer a different timeline,, one that works more directly with the main one:

A proto Daybreaker already exists, locked away in Celestia's subconscious after she began to fall down the rabbit-hole of unchecked power and glory.
In this theory, she began slowly becoming drunk with power, not enough to be a danger, but enough to start neglecting her sister. Luna, feeling abandoned, slipped down her own pit of despair and jealousy. When Celestia began noticing her sister's colder behavior, she kept hearing a little voice in her head, telling her that Luna was worthless, but Celestia knew it was wrong, so she began fighting it, eventually pushing the voice deep into he subconscious, only to be heard from around the time of the 100th episode and finally being put to rest in A Royal Problem.
Unfortunately, she was too slow in locking the voice away initially, leading to Luna's transformation into Nightmare Moon.

And honestly from there, it's fun to speculate the idea of all alicorns having this sort of negative potential, a super-powered evil side that embodies their most dangerous traits that they have to overcome. A nice drawback to the otherwise limitless power of alicorns.


In Equestria at war, Celestia became Daybreaker because of the stress of ruling over Equestria during a second changeling invasion and her subjects constantly questioning her authoritarian changes and reforms. That gave her more power over her subjects an unruly nobles. She became the very thing she sought to destroy, almost like an emperor of man type figure. One of the trees in the game even leads her to being worshipped as a god by her people, with temples built in her name and an army of individuals willing to die to spread her 'holy light's to every part of the world.

I honestly think any powerful being can fall down these dark paths for a multitude of reasons.


The Equestria at War Mod for Hearts of Iron 4 also gave a good way for Daybreaker to come out. The stress of prosecuting a conventional war combined Celestia's rather protective nature. Only time could tell if Daybreaker stays true to Celestia's principles and become Queen Mother of Ponykind or Embraces Darkness and Become God-Empress of Ponykind.


Hey sawtooth, I noticed that nightmare moon and daybreaker both have a sort of "blotch of color" layer under/around their cutie marks corrisponding to their color pallet, the former having a cloudy black and the latter having a firey orange. Could this confirm that in some way there was some sort of magical interference to both of them being made into an evil pony? And would celestia have this firey orange instead of luna with her cloudy black underlying her cutie mark?


Judging by Daybreaker’s dialogue in her debut episode, I think that instead of being jealous, Celestia would grow an ego and eventually begin to think that she was vastly more important. With Luna having little to no connection to her subjects, there was no need for her, in Celestia’s eyes at least. So, she decides to attempt to get rid of Luna, in favor of keeping everything to herself. With no pony to turn to any other princess, all the power and adoration will be hers.


@Alexandru Frosin No, because she has twighlight.

@Red Twit total not true only true at is pay attention bruh

@Angalika Clemons i have a dream monster scared of me so stand down <b>demon eyes glow</b>

@Angalika Clemons i have a dream monster scared of me so stand down *demon eyes glow*

@Secret space Kitty’s Like I said before it's just people opinions you don't have to be so immature about it. By the way I'm not trying to be rude if you think I am.

@Angalika Clemons wow who are u oh right salty so don’t even fight me I know at I could be right u idk the truth’s

@Secret space Kitty’sBruh Its just peoples opinions

@Princess Firesun totally agreed. She could be the next villain the elements of harmony defeat.

I think ur wrong people want to know the real ur wrong real answer and ur words does not make no sense

@Changeling King Cocoon maybe she was warning them of daybreaker. I do not know, but you do bring up a good point.

Luna became nightmare moon cause she never had long legs like her sister

Alexandru Frosin Alexandru Frosin but the -problem with that is that Sawtooth actually explained that celestia feels fulfilled now because of the many thing she’s done to help. 1,000’s of years ago she wouldn’t have done those things
Don’t take this to heart that just what I think.

PS:and I know I’m a little late

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Since when has his theories not made sense

I smell like tuna Im locked in a basement help me

@Ana Butrakoski  Lol. Try to go and read my comment and subsequent discussion about this below before you go "bruh".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VSsz7R8jxA&lc=UgzsqpWNeEvM0zJwOCJ4AaABAg.95sVLGWQBlZ95tpkansJW0

Secret Moon yes it does just think about it for a second

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The theory makes sense as to how Daybreaker could come into being (not counting the multiverse, since the comics show that Daybreaker is real in an alternate reality). The caveat to the theory that is the issue is that Luna didn't have the ability to dreamwalk until after she became Nightmare Moon and was banished to the moon. Nightmare Moon, after being banished, met a race to knew how to give her the ability to dreamwalk. She used that ability to go into ponies' dreams and turn them into nightmares, making then afraid of Celestia.

This is hypothetically how Nightmare Night was actually first conceptualized in canon. And it occurs to me now that perhaps the nightmares she gave the ponies to fear Celestia was Daybreaker.


I have a hole in this theory. When in Season 3, the main 6 had to give up the Elements of Harmony, Twilight drank the potion from Zecora, showing firstly, when Luna became Nightmare Moon. As we all know, the Moon is closer to Earth than the Sun. Luna only became Nightmare Moon when raising the moon over the Sun to cause a Solar Eclipse. The theory is based of the impression that the jealousy of Luna caused her transformation. Although there are two different sources, there’s more information to support that it was the rising of the moon on top of the sun that transformed Luna. For starters, this is the actual time recap, a visual explanation, rather than a tale. Additionally, everyone in Episode 1, Season 1 all thought the Mare in The Moon (Nightmare Moon) was an old ponies tale. Only Twilight (and Celestia I think) had connected the dots. I believe that because the tale was so old, it was told along the time like Chinese Whispers. Changing slowly overtime. Only Celestia had the true story. Therefore, maybe Daybreaker was created by another astrological phenomenon. A Lunar Eclipse. An eclipse is when one celestial body is covered by another. A Solar Eclipse (what cause Nightmare Moon) is when the Moon is Eclipsing the Sun. A Lunar Eclipse is when the Moon moves into the Earths Shadow (what could potentially cause Daybreaker). If Celestia had raised the Sun and the Moon for 1000 years, than she could purposely position the Moon into the Earths shadow, allowing day to take over, and the moon to be removed from Equestrian vision. With that being said, Lunar Eclipse’s only happen in three sections. Total, penumbral and partial. Total is when the moon is fully visible, penumbral is when it’s partially visible and partial is when it’s more then partially visible. A total eclipse only happens in a small area, so maybe there’s more to this theory that you could decipher?


Daybreaker was Starlight's fear of what could happen if the sisters fell out in present day. Not sure there really was a likely set of circumstances that could have created her 1000 years ago.


I have a theory. After Nightmare Moon became Luna again, as you can see, the "black mark" on Luna's cutie mark still remains, and that is after she became nightmare moon. What if that part of her made it so that Luna could walk in dreams, but at the same time uses it as an opportunity to free itself and corrupt Luna again? As seen in an episode, a blob does try to escape the dream realm.


But Celestia didn’t understand the entirety of how important Luna’s dream walking is until A Royal Problem. She says herself “you spend your evenings flifting around giving ponies lovely dreams”, implying that she didnt understand the whole picture with Luna’s dream walking (yet), and not understanding that the ponies go to her for most of their emotional support, giving her nothing to be jealous of. And the ponies still really liked her sun.


Hold up, Daybreaker is just Nightmare Moon inverted with a few design changes??? How am I just realizing this.

Everything about her is inverted compared to Nightmare.

It's nightmare moon with a tan and a better hair stylist.

Anna Norwood solar flare just sounds dumb.

Umm hello I know that too it's not you who only nos that

I think it would stand to reason. After all, Celestia and Luna have the same design, basically. Luna is just a little smaller.

It's kinda like most of the mares we see in Equestria all share the same basic design.

Well it was a figment of starlight's imagination. Makes sense why the design is not too original.

Hv u seen twilight and lovestruck
Dash snd banana bliss
Apple jack and sprinkle stripe
Rarity and forsythia etc.

Yes, it is nightmare moon with an inverted color palette and some design adjustments

You're not alone there.

Also, am I the only one who was disappointed when they revealed her name to be Daybreaker instead of Solarflare? I think Solarflare would've rolled off the tongue better

Well I didn't get that before right now reading this...


How I see Celestia turning into Daybreaker is this:<br>Instead of Luna growing jealous, Celestia develops a huge ego. She starts craving more attention and admiration and that if she doesn't get what she wants she'll break and use force to make sure everypony keeps loving her.

How I see Celestia turning into Daybreaker is this:
Instead of Luna growing jealous, Celestia develops a huge ego. She starts craving more attention and admiration and that if she doesn't get what she wants she'll break and use force to make sure everypony keeps loving her.


I think Celestia turned into DayBreaker because she wanted all the authority for herself, and be the only princess, like Luna.


Someone might have already mentioned this but if the two sisters have the potential of having a deranged side does that give the other alicorns the potential as well?


Theory: Luna was able to walk into the dreamworld even before she turned into nightmare moon
She was able to help ponies from their nightmares but most ponies forgot about it.
Since dreams can easily be forgotten and most ponies would probably brush it off by saying "it's just a dream"
Then it would make Luna more jealous of her sister


Here's another interpretation of how Daybreaker can come to be.  A way where it could have happened thus leading to Celestia being the final boss of the show (Honestly the way I would have ended things).

Over the course of the series, Celestia has been made helpless time and time again.  More and more, we see that Equestria has come to harm countless times, and Celestia is powerless to do anything.  Instead, Equestria turns to her student, Twilight Sparkle, and her friends as the Elements of Harmony.  However, this has begun to wear on Celestia's mind.  She's their leader.  She's their matriarch.  She's the one they rely on.  At least, they should be.

And adding onto the idea that Luna's begun dream walking, we see that Celestia is being left behind.  Ponies talk about Twilight and her friends, they discuss wonderful dreams with Princess Luna, but all of Celestia's interactions are like you said, superficial.  Okay, not all of them, but really the only ones who see her as a pony are Luna, Twilight, Cadence, and the other Elements.

See the problem here?

Her only companions are the ones she's jealous of the most.  This festers, grows, and soon becomes anger, resentment, and ultimately, hatred.  Celestia begins to have violent thoughts.  Thoughts of just... hitting the reset button.  Burning it all away...

Burn...

Burn...!

BURN!!!!!!

Thus leading to what is ultimately a being far more dangerous than Nightmare Moon could have ever been, and Twilight's toughest battle.  Both because of the sheer raw power Daybreaker has... and who it is behind that flame.

Here's another interpretation of how Daybreaker can come to be.  A way where it could have happened thus leading to Celestia being the final boss of the show (Honestly the way I would have ended things).

Over the course of the series, Celestia has been made helpless time and time again.  More and more, we see that Equestria has come to harm countless times, and Celestia is powerless to do anything.  Instead, Equestria turns to her student, Twilight Sparkle, and her friends as the Elements of Harmony.  However, this has begun to wear on Celestia's mind.  She's their leader.  _She's_ their matriarch.  _She's_ the one they rely on.  At least, they should be.

And adding onto the idea that Luna's begun dream walking, we see that Celestia is being left behind.  Ponies talk about Twilight and her friends, they discuss wonderful dreams with Princess Luna, but all of Celestia's interactions are like you said, superficial.  Okay, not _all_ of them, but really the only ones who see her as a _pony_ are Luna, Twilight, Cadence, and the other Elements.

*_See the problem here?_*

Her only companions are the ones she's jealous of the most.  This festers, grows, and soon becomes anger, resentment, and ultimately, _hatred._  Celestia begins to have violent thoughts.  Thoughts of just... hitting the reset button.  Burning it all away...

Burn...

Burn...!

*_BURN!!!!!!_*

Thus leading to what is ultimately a being far more dangerous than Nightmare Moon could have ever been, and Twilight's toughest battle.  Both because of the sheer raw power Daybreaker has... and who it is behind that flame.

This comment is critically underrated<br>I just needed someone to write this

This comment is critically underrated
I just needed someone to write this


I've never actually seen this episode and I was confused whether Daybreaker was an oc or not. 😂

@Double Monk 05 06 07 Yes <i>and</i> no?


I remember when I was younger(This was before Daybreaker ever appeared) if Celestia could do the Luna thing and have a “dark” form.
So I created an alternate timeline where she realized Luna was becoming jealous and cast a spell to absorb those emotions into herself.
She essentially became the inverse of Nightmare Moon, but with the same story. She even got trapped in the sun for a thousand years because that totally makes sense.

And her name?
Her name was...

Daymare Sun

@Asmodeus682
Thank you.
Honestly, now that I’m older and have writing skills, I could probably rewrite this if I tried

That would be an awesome idea for how daybreaker came to be and what happened to her.


The theory makes sense.<br>But I also think that if Luna did dream walk before she became nightmare moon, she may have taken a very hands off approach. Like, she only observed the dreams, making sure no one was in real danger, or could become a danger to others. Or maybe her duty before without dream walking was to make sure no evils came to harm the pones in the night while they slept. Or maybe, like the potential for now, it's possible she did both- watch the dreams without interruptions and keep the ponies safe in the real world while they slept. Except now she decided to take a hands on approach to the dream walking. Help the ponies more directly.

The theory makes sense.
But I also think that if Luna did dream walk before she became nightmare moon, she may have taken a very hands off approach. Like, she only observed the dreams, making sure no one was in real danger, or could become a danger to others. Or maybe her duty before without dream walking was to make sure no evils came to harm the pones in the night while they slept. Or maybe, like the potential for now, it's possible she did both- watch the dreams without interruptions and keep the ponies safe in the real world while they slept. Except now she decided to take a hands on approach to the dream walking. Help the ponies more directly.


O LORD O LORD THERE WAS A TINY DETAIL I NOTICED!!! CELESTIA HAD A YELLOW SPLODGE ON HER CUTIE MARK WHEN SHE IS NIGHTMARE NOON :0


Someone: makes a sensible theory which gives rise to a new timeline/storyline               Fanfic-Writers: ”WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!”

Someone: *makes a sensible theory which gives rise to a new timeline/storyline*               Fanfic-Writers: *”WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!”*

There's that MLP AU thing going around right now and thus is EXACTLY what I had in mind for my au and now I feel bad cause I think people are gonna yell at me for having this idea that other people have also probably had 😭😭

ASSISTANTS!!!!! MAKE NOTES WE HAVE NEW MATERIAL

The spongebob reference made me choke on my Snapple 😂

Oh my goodness YES. I want it! Tbf, I won't be the only one. But that won't stop me from writing it! I'm thinking of the title 'Breaking Day'.

@cesqorange Might I suggest the youtube channel letupita725hd★? They have almost every episode on there.

Hi please help a matie here, so what website can I use to watch my little pony season 7 to season 9?On netfix there's only six seasons so please reply if you know.

@꧁༺Swastika Mukherjee༻꧂ Dud how can you not recognise?

<b>Scrambles onto google docs</b> MUST. WRITE. FANFIC.

*Scrambles onto google docs* MUST. WRITE. FANFIC.

@Phoenix Quill got any stories done yet? :)

@· flowerpiie!. how bout they try not making it have sense? Who knows right?

i mean there tryna get time lines to make it make sense XD

I kinda love that, theorists gets stories, writers get ideas, it's a win win


I think that it always has been Luna‘s job to raise and lower the moon and walking in others dream to help them overcome their fears and comfort them. I also think that the reason she got jealous was because she thought that even after helping the citizens at the night they like Celestia more than her. And one day she was filled with so much jealousy she turned into Nightmare Moon. But she was mistaken. The citizens didn’t like Celestia MORE than her they liked both of them the same way. And if Luna knew that she wouldn’t turn into Nightmare Moon. And I don’t think that Celestia would turn into Daybreaker because of that. She is too understandable for something like that to happen. But maybe your theory about the reason why Celestia opened the School for Gifted Unicorns is true or at least I think it’s true.


Celestia has a much more stable personality and higher tolerance than any other pony so her transformation is very unlikely to happen.

But if it were to happen, it would be an apocalypse of a magnitude Equestria has never even remotely seen before.
Celestia was able to win against Nightmare Moon because she had a massive power advantage, yet still she got injured.
Luna would have gotten utterly obliterated even if she showed no mercy and tried to go all offensive.
I would even go as far as saying that the elements of harmony would lose to Daybreaker if she used all her power to resist them.

Celestia has a much more stable personality and higher tolerance than any other pony so her transformation is very unlikely to happen.

But _if_ it were to happen, it would be an apocalypse of a magnitude Equestria has never even remotely seen before.
Celestia was able to win against Nightmare Moon because she had a massive power advantage, yet still she got injured.
Luna would have gotten utterly _obliterated_ even if she showed no mercy and tried to go all offensive.
I would even go as far as saying that the elements of harmony would _lose_ to Daybreaker if she used all her power to resist them.


It’s strange that there haven’t been any more known occurrences of ponies becoming an evil alter ego in equestria. Surely if it just requires strong negative emotions then it would be a regular thing..?   Or there’s also a possibility that it could be some sort of spirit who was possessing Luna, as shown in the Nightmare Rarity comic. I know it’s not canon but still... If it was really a conscious being who was creating these evil ponies then it would make sense that they’d target the two most powerful ponies in equestria, or atleast the fact that they’re the rulers. Idk it’s just strange that the known history has only recorded it twice over two different realities.


I feel that Luna could dreamwalk before she became Nightmare Moon  but the ponies of the past dreamed of Celestia due to them viewing her as a perfect mare. Even in their dreams, the ponies still focused on the glamorous Celestia over Luna and that might have been another push towards the edge. Now during the time of Twilight, ponies appreciate Luna a lot more. Why they didn't just appreciate her at the start instead of after she was reformed? My best guess is referencing the old saying "You never know you had something good until you've lost it."


I like how everyone talks and knows about Celestia's and Luna's alter-egos: Daybreaker & Nightmare Moon, yet no one speaks of Cadence's, or Flurry's or Twilight's alter-egos...

@Nischal Dahal Yes, especially since Queen Chrysalis pretended to be Cadence in A Canterlot Wedding in order for her squad to take over all Equestria.

Cadences alter ego would be chrysalis because  cadence gives love and chrysalis takes love so I don’t think she would have one other than turning into chrysalis.

Twilights is midnight sparkle

You know that if you watch ed animations you will find about nightmare rarity . That means all ponies have alter egos . Plus midnight sparkle is from equestria girls and there was a evil sunset shimmer in it too

I think if crystalas turns good, then I think cadance can be her in HER bad version?

Everyone here:
Midnightsparklemidnightsparklemidnightsparklemidnifrhiokuhsfvkubvdhkvzdofihbhfdjaohvfaevojhavfbjohdfvsg

OK okay we get it but what about cadence and flurry

Cadence would be chrysalis,but the name..style would change to Heartbreaker?

There was someone who gave (In my opinion.) a better name for an alter ego of Twilight. It's Everlight Everlasting and her goal is to make friendship eternal/making everyone immortal. (I think, on the immortal part.)

《Cօʍքʟɛȶɛʟʏ Wɨʟɖ》

@Jordyn Bell twi vine is not canon and is a twin and turns good

@noman mohammad honestly I think the full on tyrant transformation is something only alicorns can do.

Otherwise, why didn't starlight have one?

cant everyone turn evil? the princesses are just 5 of them.....

@Amelie Skye Kelly UHmm midnight sparkle is from equestria girls ?? But ok nice idea :/

To be honest....

I theorized for some reason that Chyrisllis and Cadence are the same person that exist at the same time in the same universe,of course this is my own theory but what do you think?

Celestia~ Day breaker/ Nightmare Star/ solar
Luna~ Nightmare moon
Cadence~ Dark Heart
Twilight~ Midnight Sparkle / Twivine
Flurry~ ???

Twilight has Midnight Sparkle, one of the other commentors has a cool theory for Flurryheart turning into Hurricane Heartbreak with the wendigos, and someone gave Cadence a cool alter-ego nickname being Dark Heart and maybe she'd cause heartbreak

Kenzi Dragneel Well its not in the official video game where even the randomest characters have in game versions of themselves (over 450+ ponies are in the game and like 10 styles for the mane 6)and its only in EG world twilight which is different than “normal” or pony twilight so i don’t think its an accual thing more like a throw away thing

PS: Even nightmare moon/ mightmare noon, spike, spike with wings, spike grown up have all unique forms in the game.

I think Twilight's evil side can be a pony-tized Midnight Sparkle

@ًSomething with Bungalows ?! Wasnt that the name of the bad guy from a Care Bears movie in the 80-90's though?

@ًSomething with Bungalows ?! Cadence: Dark Heart

Devinital Kyon I’d picture Cadence going evil after realizing everyone moved on from his death but her. Then she’d take others love like Chrysalis.

Actually a friend of mine and I came up with a one time speculation of evil Flurry Heart. We called her Hurricane Heartbreak, who commanded and brought back the wendigos to lace the land in snow. Other have mentioned Midnight Sparkle but no clue what evil Cadence is. Maybe she'd turn evil after Shining Armor passed or something.

Twilight does have an alter ego Midnight Sparkle


Dude, so remember how there are infinite timelines, dimensions, futures, etc?

So, what if one of those dimensions were the opposite on Equestria?
Kinda like an anti-universe and anti-matter.

Basically what would most likely happen in this opposite/parrellel universe would be things such as:

-The tree of disharmoney
-The elements of disharmoney
-And ruled by the princesses alternate versions

Bro, that would have made such an amazing final and it would be really cool too


Luna could have still back in the past walked in dreams but saw how pony’s did not appreciate her or her night and also saw how some could have been afraid of her night so she could have gotten jealous as people weren’t afraid of her sisters day and some may not have accepted Luna as a second princess 👸🏻


I know why Luna’s walking in dreams! <br>She protected ponies for everyone to liking her.

I know why Luna’s walking in dreams!
She protected ponies for everyone to liking her.


I think twilight might go rogue sooner or later because when the book closed it showed all of them old, and since twilight can live longer than all of her friends because she’s an allicorn, she’ll have to watch all her friends die one by one. I also think starlight might become a princess as well. It also shows that Granny Smith died because apple jack had her scarf on at the last episode, therefore twilight’s lifespan had been expanded


Honestly, I think every alicorn has a 'tyrant form' or at least the capability for it.

Lunas and Celestias would most likely be caused by the jealousy and loneliness like Sawtooth said because until the sun and moon find a balance when it comes to interaction, there's always the possibility.

But with Twilight and Cadance, they represent friendship and love but they're also immortal. The rest of the mane six dying as well as shining armour could easily make them feel empty or like they can no longer represent what they're meant too.

Another possible reason for Cadance could be Flurry Heart growing up and not needing her because honestly, Cadance seems to be more about blood related bonds.

Regarding Flurry Heart, I don't really know what aspect she'd rule because she's a baby but it'd probably be protecting the crystal heart.

Because her mum would be in charge of the social interaction, it could easily feel like she's just stuck in Cadance's shadow and just being used to do what Candace can't.

As to what they would do:
Nightmare moon caused eternal night probably with the thought process that pony's would have to be awake at night and speak to her.

Daybreaker would cause eternal day for the same reasons as nightmare moon.

Evil Twilight would probably either begin ruining friendship or begin putting false friendships in people's heads to make everyone be her friend and so that they listen to her because we all know twilight loves to be in control. Also, I've just realised, twilight is a high candidate for this because she hasn't got another alicorn whereas Luna has Celestias and Flurry has Cadance.

The already existing Alicorns wouldn't be able to do that for twilight because they don't really reside close to each other and also, with Cadance, Celestia and Luna, Twilight sees them as parental or older figures which are generally harder to be chill friends with and Flurry would have teh same problem with Twilight stopping them opening up to each other. Twilight can't just have normal pony friends cause she'll outlive them. Ironic how the alicorn of friendship is destined to be alone.

Evil Cadance, if she was triggered by something happening to shining armour, would either begin ruining the romantic relationships of others or go a bit changlings and take their love for herself.

I don't think she's likely to transform in this scenario because she would know she has to comfort Flurry and that would occupy her. But, if Flurry ran off by herself as a reaction to her dad dying, it's possible.

If evil Candance came about because Flurry doesn't need her, I can imagine her kidnapping all the fillies and trying to be a parent to them but being more like a harsh ruler and she ends up using them to get Flurry.

Evil Flurry: She wouldn't come about from her dad dying because she'd have her mum and if she did runaway, she'd probably feel guilty and I just can't see her emotions festering to that point.

If she came about because she felt in teh shadows and used, she'd probably do what King Sombre did and also try to kill Candance.

Also, I think this is most likely to happen in Alicorns because these seem to be like a pony parallel to the demon thingys in the human world taht sunset and human twilight turn into. You need great magic and great negative emotions or desires to become it and while yes other pony's could obtain that power, alicorns already have it so they're like a ticking time bomb.

Regarding the fact that Sunset did become a good demon or angel I guess in equestrian games, it'd probably happen in the same scenario but ponify it and instead of the amulet throw the elements of harmony in there.

And also this explains Lunas black mark on her cutie mark. After becoming that tyrannical form, it appears as a reminder and sign taht she has lost her way before. When her and Celestia switch cutie marks, teh black mark also transfers to Celestia because its most likely more attached to the magic that allowed it to happen rather than the reformed pony that it did happen to.

Oh and when Cozy Glow briefly becomes a monstrous tyrant, that was just Discords chaos magic doing its thing.

This probably makes zero sense and is way too long but I just wanted  to say.

after reading this, I had a thought.

About what you said about 'evil Cadance', what if Chrysalis is actually the Cadance's evil form, and the changelings are the old Chrystal ponies?

This is such a great fanfic/head cannon!!

@TheGoodWitchLuzura when was that? I haven’t watched MLP in a while

that's the best Theory i have ever read thank you for this <333

@Sami Moon ye I agree with you for alot of that, I think it would be quite realistic to see twilight flickering to the evil form when she has to choose ponies to fill in thr roles that the other mane 5 handled before they died but then she finds new friends bcs different ponies come to comfort her- maybe not even ponies, the young 6 could also take over for the mane 6

Also yeah the size things super weird, like if its just an age thing then Luna and Celestia were sisters pre-alicorn so they should be the same age and therefore the same height. But then Luna was banished for 1000 years so maybe she didnt age- but then by that logic shes 1000 years of growth behinf celestia and cadence is probably even longer behind so they shouldn't have grown at all- same for twilight

Ooo maybe they start to grow when they find their true alicorn purpose- for cadence that would be ruling the crystal empire, Lunas would be dream walking and twilights would be the school of friendship- im pretty sure they started doing those recently enough for us to have seen them short but also for them to have grown tall

I have something to add<br>So in friendship games we see twilights evil side yes I know that was human twilight and all of that jazz but I see that being twilight if she didn't go to ponyville and make friends   anyway midnight sparkles motive was knowledge you mentioned that twilights would be losing her friends but something you forgot about is spike dragons live for centuries if twilight wasn't an alicorn  spike would out live everyone and go rouge after spikes eventual passing it wouldn't necessarily be an issue considering that if sawtooths theory on what happened to twilight in the new generation is correct A few people in another one of his videos were quick to point out that twilight wouldn't leave a very important artifact like the disc that controls night and day just out in the open in a tower and other people responded with spike Even if the magical crisis that sawtooth had come up with happened and it went on twilight already has luster dawn she's formed bonds with the student 6 and even has one of them as a royal guard she has other friends and has Celestia's school and after starlights eventual passing probably her old school too she would be making bonds with almost every student yes I agree with the fact that she has no other alicorn but it only took like 3-4 seasons until twilight became one and if luster is already on the same path and just started she's most likely to become one soon as well she will be fulfilled with her new bonds as well as spike also two side notes spike was friends with twilight before the mane 6 he wouldn't leave her I know he got extremely close to all of the other ponies but I highly doubt spike is going to run away and live by himself and he can't run to dragon lands because ponies can and most likely visit it a lot so that's done with my adding but I realized something while writing this cadance and Luna look like celestia now and I don't know why that's messing with my head

I have something to add
So in friendship games we see twilights evil side yes I know that was human twilight and all of that jazz but I see that being twilight if she didn't go to ponyville and make friends   anyway midnight sparkles motive was knowledge you mentioned that twilights would be losing her friends but something you forgot about is spike dragons live for centuries if twilight wasn't an alicorn  spike would out live everyone and go rouge after spikes eventual passing it wouldn't necessarily be an issue considering that if sawtooths theory on what happened to twilight in the new generation is correct A few people in another one of his videos were quick to point out that twilight wouldn't leave a very important artifact like the disc that controls night and day just out in the open in a tower and other people responded with spike Even if the magical crisis that sawtooth had come up with happened and it went on twilight already has luster dawn she's formed bonds with the student 6 and even has one of them as a royal guard she has other friends and has Celestia's school and after starlights eventual passing probably her old school too she would be making bonds with almost every student yes I agree with the fact that she has no other alicorn but it only took like 3-4 seasons until twilight became one and if luster is already on the same path and just started she's most likely to become one soon as well she will be fulfilled with her new bonds as well as spike also two side notes spike was friends with twilight before the mane 6 he wouldn't leave her I know he got extremely close to all of the other ponies but I highly doubt spike is going to run away and live by himself and he can't run to dragon lands because ponies can and most likely visit it a lot so that's done with my adding but I realized something while writing this cadance and Luna look like celestia now and I don't know why that's messing with my head

I think there was a part in the MLP movie where a little bit of Midnight Sparkle showed Twilights evil form. And its after she fails to steal the pearl and has that fallout with her friends before getting captured but Tempest. It happened when she yelled at Pinkie. A burst of tealish-blue magic came from horn that is basically the same tealish blue color in and around her eyes and her HORN

I think we have already seen Evil Twilight. Remember Vesper from The Folly of Celestia?

I kind of wish Twilight actually had an evil version of her, like Midnight Sparkle or the mean 6 Twilight.

This is awesome. An evil flurry heart would be interesting too.

@Lexii Brexii Precios fanfic I think this Is going yo be real

How long did it take for you to write that? Check out mine.

Celestia has the ruler of equestria and it was 3 years after twilight became a alicorn. Twilght's friends had just passed, and it was hard on her. Celestia has responsibilities to attend, shinning armor had died in battle, and cadence had became depressed and angry a lot. Flurry gets bullied a lot for not having a cutie Mark. Twilight gets a new student, cause starlight passed. Her name is galaxy star (I call her gal) She gets bullied for being clumsy. Twilight goes to the ever free forest, where she sees mist like ponies that look like her friends. Idk if you know what I'm talking about but, search up rememberince. Also, search up princess trixie sparkle.


I think she started walking in dreams as soon as she was sent to the Moon I've forgotten how overtime then Celestia taught her once again


I completely agree with that theory, with that ability of dreamwalking, Luna would have never dreamed of becoming nightmare moon


I actually have a theory that luna could walk in ponies sleep before she became nightmare moon, because I read nightmare knights, and she said that she could wke, and walk in ponies dreams. The only difference between the two is that before luna didn't have the passion, the understanding she did after nightmare moon


I think since the tanibus is still a part of Luna,when Starlight switched the cutiemarks,the part of Luna that's nightmare moon went with the cutiemark and it became a part of Celestia. I think the black part of Luna's cutiemark is the pastas nightmare moon. It probably formed over time.


I love this theory the only thing is that the commics just yeet it out of the window, the spirit that corrupted Luna is on the moon, that also explains why Nightmare Moon could not be changed back while she was emprisioned there, there is also the fact that ~spoilers~ Nightmare Rarity is a thing in the comics, which came to be just because she ended up on the moon, and got corrupted by it. Sooooo this theory makes sense but if you consider the commics cannonical than it crumbles to the floor.


This is a fabulous theory. But are you telling me... Celestia's evil form... would've been caused by the typical feelings of isolation caused by mass public praise with the absence of deeper connections?<br>..."Friendship is Magic" and Celestia's insistence that Twilight learn about it suddenly makes SO much sense.

This is a fabulous theory. But are you telling me... Celestia's evil form... would've been caused by the typical feelings of isolation caused by mass public praise with the absence of deeper connections?
..."Friendship is Magic" and Celestia's insistence that Twilight learn about it suddenly makes SO much sense.


My theory is that she could walk in dreams before she got turned into nightmare moon, because there's not a real reason why she couldn't have done it other than she never reached her full potential. Not even close. But if that's the case, she was looking for power, and if it wasn't, then i guess people never really needed her much in the dream realm back then. Which would make me jealous too.


I agree...also I would love it if we could see Cadence turn into this evil pony


I have reason to believe daybreaker may have actually existed.

In the first episode of season 9 King Sombra made Twilight view her greatest fears. In that vision, Celestia and luna turn into Nightmare moon and Daybreaker. That means either Twilight OR King Sombra are aware of Daybreakers existance to some degree.


I feel like that daybraker wants to walk in dreams and get Physical Appreciation and Emotions Appreciation


Didn't Daybreaker mock Celestia saying, "Deep inside you know how powerful you are," "Who needs balance when you can have it all?", "Oh please, you can do whatever you want and all you have to do is get rid of anypony who stands in your way," so... it seems like by these lines, she'd turn due to being power hungry, if she didn't care about the ponies she ruled, it'd end like this possibly, creating Daybreaker. That is horrifying.


I, for one, am not convinced that Daybreaker was evil Celestia.  How do we know that she didn't come from Starlight Glimmer's imagination?


The IDW 5 part comic series “FIENDship is Magic” reveals that Nightmare Moon got her dream powers when she got banished to the moon.

Good thing to know not only I read the comics.

@Awolves are cute, I think it's semi-canon. Meaning that if something is confirmed in the show, that part of the comic is canon, otherwise it is not canon

Are the comics cannon? I don't think they are. But there are references to them in the show but I think they are just that references

@Joseline Costa except for one that came/will come

Nightmare moon is soap API what microphone and I YouTube

@RetroBat That was fan made, the song actually is call “Children of the Night”, that belong to Hocus Pocus from 93

Yeah but I dont think the comics are Canon.

@Yuki Shiro that animation/song is not canon to the lore. Its fan made.

Wow, I never thought about it. I think it would make sense, because before she turned into Nightmare Moon, there was a song Luna sang after defeating Discord. In that music video, it showed a pony writing in her diary in a cave, reminiscing about something important that happened. That pony said that the land in which she lived became desolated and poor after Discord's defeat. Upon seeing this, Luna can't stand seeing the tragic fate of these children, she proposed an idea to Celestia to which she refused. Luna wanted to bring joy to the children, but she didn't interact with anyone in the dreams. Instead, she took all the children and flew away with them, and have them look at the night landscape. If she had the power of dream walking, she would have interacted all the children in their dreams.

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Tbh I think Day Breaker could only truly happen after Nightmare Moon, I mean think about it. Day Breaker is arrogant, she wants to rule alone and have all the power, if I recall, but compared to Nightmare Moon who was over jealousy of her sister, Day Breaker would've been power over her sister; almost jealous she can't have it all.

In later episodes there seems to be some resentment between them because of their differences in ideas and it's even pointed out through Spike mentioning it before and, obviously, Starlight's episode. Who's to say Day Breaker was something to come ?

Tbh I think Day Breaker could only *truly* happen after Nightmare Moon, I mean think about it. Day Breaker is arrogant, she wants to rule alone and have all the power, if I recall, but compared to Nightmare Moon who was over jealousy of her sister, Day Breaker would've been power over her sister; almost jealous she can't have it all.

In later episodes there seems to be some resentment between them because of their differences in ideas and it's even pointed out through Spike mentioning it before and, obviously, Starlight's episode. Who's to say Day Breaker was something *to come* ?


by my side i think that after luna turned back to herself she has been helping everyone but celestia has only been doing her royal duties rather than helping other people  and then everyone gave luna more atention rather than celestia that made celestia jelous and turned her into day breaker .


My theory:
I think Celestia would become daybreaker beacuse of jeolousy like Luna. Beacuse Luna gets the appreciation beacuse she comferts people in theyre dreams, but Celestia on the other hand cant mostly interact with ponies beacuse of duties and her mostly focusing on the land. But i kinda debunk this beacuse Celestia dosent know what Luna does in dream walking.
Theory 2:
Luna was jeolous beacuse of the appretiantion Celestia was getting.
What if Celestia is jeolous of Luna beacuse of her history of night mare moon that made her interesting to Twillight Sparkle.
Theory 3:
Maybe its their past? Maybe Luna had some appreciation in the past that made Celestia go on edge but she kept calm beacuse she didnt want the land to fall into chaos. And as time went by those memories stuck with her but she didnt care about them. But her appreciation made Luna put the land in chaos.
After all Celestia did blame herself right?
Theory 4:
Maybe Celestia is connected to a motivation that is slowly turning her into day breaker.
Plus day breaker was right that if Luna can turn into night mare moon Celestia can turn into day breaker. Her motivation like Lunas is trying to turn her evil but beacuse she saw the land fall in chaos in the past stay away from negative energy


Why is it that I would like to see how the story would have change if Starlight got her cutie mark first instead of Sunburst? Or what if they both got them at the same time?


Another excellent and astounding theory vid as always Brony Notion, once again you make some good points, in fact imagine if both Nightmare Moon and Day Breaker in the real world and not just in Starlight's dream, they both probably would fight to the death over the kingdom.

Maybe that’s what happened in the final alternate timeline that Twilight showed Starlight. Nightmare Moon and Daybreaker destroyed everything, leaving only a vast barren wasteland.


maybe after Luna transformed back to just Princess Luna from Nightmare Moon, the two alicorn sisters did some research on magic to see what else Luna can do, and they found that she could try to dream walk.


Daybreaker would have been a fantastic final villain in the show, let's be honest lol


what I got from the royal problem is that Daybreaker wasn't wholly starlight's imagination while nightmare moon was, due to the plot point that if you fail history may repeat itself.

also I believe Daybreaker was a subconscious image from Celestia that bled out into starlight's just as Luna is able to manipulate dreams Celestia with that power can too. in short her experience or lack there of led to her subconscious demon to leak out. there's a few things that point to this

1. Daybreaker barely acknowledges Starlight focusing purely on Celestia until dream nightmare moon attacks her.

2. Luna says daybreaker's name even though by appearances this is her first appearance which tells me Luna knew of her from watching her own sister's dreams. thus it seems this Daybreaker persona came close to taking over then we thought.

which leads to my last point. Celestia saying "you will never exist again" whilst this can be interpreted in two ways being that of they existed before but will stop now or that she will never exist after this moment forward, both are interpreted differently but both are true as I believe Celestia meant that Daybreaker's tormenting Celestia ends and will never occur again.

as for your theory it is most likely to be the case. that the discovery and use of the dream realm is what gives Luna the admiration she desires which is why she instantly becomes defensive when Celestia disparages Luna's use of dream walking as easy and not really a hard job.

Sorry for the wall of text but that's my two cents on the subject if you want you can tell me what you think.


I got the impression that pride was Celestia's trigger not jealousy. Just like Scitwi was turned by gluttony (for knowledge) and sunset (greed)<br>Also Celestia has personal intetactions all the time too. With students in her school.

I got the impression that pride was Celestia's trigger not jealousy. Just like Scitwi was turned by gluttony (for knowledge) and sunset (greed)
Also Celestia has personal intetactions all the time too. With students in her school.


I say mental or emotional abuse, as the "Queen to be." Even though she calls herself a princess, she is queen. Her parents could have pushed her off the edge. I think they didnt mind her feelings. She was never good enough. I think that's why she smiles so much. It looks forced, fake. I know it's a lot to assume over a facial expression, but yeah. She was probably always secretly jealous of her sisters freedom. Her sister having freedom AND being appreciated too would've probably been enough to push her off the edge. Not just her sister getting attention.

You know they  rule togethrer celestia and luna they both  cant be queens

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Yes, but those parents were created by the fandom and not the creators...

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@Shattered Harmony It's obviously because your profile picture

It's Discord you my favorite character man

Kaomoji U.U Celestia, they’re talking about Celestia.

She’s only called a princess because “Queen” sound evil

We've never seen their parents though. And there's nothing that implies that their parents were ruling before them so....


Can I just say DayBreaker and Nightmare Moon’s designs are absolutely <b>Fench Kiss</b>

Can I just say DayBreaker and Nightmare Moon’s designs are absolutely *Fench Kiss*


I actually don’t think this theory is very accurate. Even if Luna started walking in dreams, Celestia would’ve been greatly desired and I honestly don’t think Luna dreamwalking would’ve changed much considering she’s seen as inferior to her sister. Also, listening to Daybreaker’s comments throughout the episode, she’s talking about power. She’s power-hungry, obsessed with it and wants all of it. She’s like the sun, immensely powerful but also incredibly destructive. And I believe her desire for power, without a sister to share in their duties, is what leads her to become destructive <br>Your theory’s an interesting idea, I just don’t think it’s very sound

I actually don’t think this theory is very accurate. Even if Luna started walking in dreams, Celestia would’ve been greatly desired and I honestly don’t think Luna dreamwalking would’ve changed much considering she’s seen as inferior to her sister. Also, listening to Daybreaker’s comments throughout the episode, she’s talking about power. She’s power-hungry, obsessed with it and wants all of it. She’s like the sun, immensely powerful but also incredibly destructive. And I believe her desire for power, without a sister to share in their duties, is what leads her to become destructive
Your theory’s an interesting idea, I just don’t think it’s very sound


Well in the comics after Luna is sent to the Moon she found the Creatures that make dreams and then she corrupts them, Probably after she was defeated the Dream Creatures can't make dreams anymore so Luna probably replaced them untill they can recover back


I never realised that nightmare moon’s colours were daybraker’s inverted


Why is Cadence always left out?<br>I want Decadence to be the empress of the crystal empire!

Why is Cadence always left out?
I want Decadence to be the empress of the crystal empire!


I think Luna started out when she was reformed back to Luna after the nightmare moon incident, or she started once the tantabus was defeated and finally forgave herself finding out her new ability of deamwalking into the dream realm


Maybe she started when she was Nightmare Moon. She could've sent visions to anyone she thought was misguided by Celestia like Starswirl, Discord, or even Sunset.

Ooh. I just realized. Luna wasn't back by the time Sunset left. She could've persuaded her to leave.


celestia's resistence in becoming a dictator is what keeps her away from daybreaker i think


I got so upset when the show ended, thinking the community was gonna die, but seeing uploads like this makes me feel so much better❤


I think you're right because in the Diary of the Two Sisters, Luna says nothing about dreams, only raising the moon.


she could have gotten mad because if a time traveller (like starlight glimmer) were to change the future she might say fake negative stuff to celestia about luna pushing celestia to become daybreaker. Daybreaker would win because if daybreaker had enough power to defeat celestia she could easily defeat luna. Although starlight glimmer would need to be evil to do that.


I don't think that the motivation of Daybreaker are jealousy, she is more superb and I think that only the fact that Luna hadn't corrupted would do Celestia not matured in time, she would not stop being blinded by her own light and ending becoming daybreaker


The appearance of Daybreaker also made me think is this just an alicorn thing where they have evil alter egos or does every pony have it. Like what would be Twilight’s evil alter ego?