Damn it the episode is called father knows beast... and if i change the title it will be mismatched with the thumbnail.Screw it, it's staying like this XD
I think Spike can be forgiven for losing his temper. It still was horrible what he said to Twilight, but you've got to remember that he's still a kid who never knew his biological parents. And for him, Sludge gave him hope to find out more about his past and himself. The most awful thing was that Sludge took advantage of a young boy to fulfil his own, selfish, greedy wishes. And hey, Spike apologized to Twilight in the end.
Spike's reaction is actually a common reaction in this scenario. There are some people who have always known they were adopted and look to find their parents, not realising the help their adopted families have given. This is likely why many faux parents don't tell their adopted children the truth, because they fear they might not be seen as real parents. On the other side, there are plenty of adopted kids who find reason to hate their real parents for abandoning them, and that could still lead to the same effect because they may see their current life a lie. Spike was rarely ever seen to think of Twilight as his mother. He viewed her and Shining Armor as siblings, as addressed in Sparkle's Seven (albeit that was after this episode). So I would guess that he saw their parents as his parents too, or as close as he could get, though acknowledging that Twilight did a lot for him, of which he had just forgotten for a while when Sludge came along.
Then again, Spike did a lot for Twilight too. One could argue he did more for her than vice versa. I can't speak for him or how he thinks of Twilight, but, up until this episode, it doesn't seem like he ever viewed her as his mother in the slightest.
It's more of a parent-child like relationship as I think so because of one of the comics showing twilight as a filly having to take care of spike all by herself.
I've always seen Twilight and Spike's relationship as more of a parent-kid relationship but even then it's not strictly that. There are elements of employer-employee relationships and even master-servant. Like Spike is her assistant and cleans up the house, that's not something a child or siblings does.
And for that reason while I do think Twilight is the closest thing Spike has as a mother, she's not exactly his mom. Their relationship actually reminds me of a more medieval style relationship where a lord or lady might think of a servant as his/her son. That's the closest think in real life that resembles what Spike and Twilight have and even that is doesn't exist in modern society anymore.
And even though Twilight and Spike so seem to have this strange servant/master/parent/son relationship, it don't really see anything wrong with it. Equestria is a different society with different rules and speaking as a viewer, I never saw anything wrong in their relationships as an observer. It's not like a modern, human relationship but that's ok. It's not immoral or weird, it's just different from what we have in today's society.
Only jerk in this episode was Sludge. He took advantage of an orphan child. Yeah Spike was harsh to Twilight, but he's a child who was excited about his dad and felt something that made him happy was being attacked. Even adults get harsh in times like that
I really enjoyed this episode. Sure, Sludge being obnoxious is a bit hard to bear, but the touching Twilight and Spike moments and Smolder continuing to be a good source of insight into dragon culture for Spike more than make up for it.
Sludge is most certainly a grade A asshole, but I like the dynamic Spike has with Smolder. Also, I love how Twilight needed to ask "It's me, right?" at the end.
Yeah this episode isn't great, but it did pretty much confirm that spike sees twilight as a parental figure at least somewhat, and at the time it made me really happy, because I've always loved that concept.
5:38 Rainbow: "You're not the first stubborn dragon we've met, you know?" No, that would be the one you kicked in the face, and immediately regretted it.
I know that what Spike said to Twilight was messed up, but I get it. He's unsure of his own heritage, a part of his own identity, and to him it seemed that Twilight was taking that missing piece away from him even though that wasn't the case. Besides, Twilight was more like his big sister than a parent, and I'm guessing Twilight's parents were more preoccupied raising her and Shining Armor versus raising Spike. It's not the same as knowing both parents, or even one when before you knew none.
Considering the way Smolder was appalled by Sledges actions, iâd like to think that the act of pretending to be a relative of a Young dragon just to use them or to take their things, is a massive taboo in dragon culture. All so my happy place can include former dragon board Torch eating Sludge like popcorn chicken.
Well, I think we've got to give Spike some slack. Not only he had tough times to accept that he has no idea about his origins and parents, but in earlier seasons Mane 6 usually were showing a kind of neglect towads him. Or maybe it was all dependant on a particular writer (Dragon Quest was poorly written), but still. And I'm glad that Twilight is shown to be motherly attached to him.
My thoughts are that when Spike first got his wings, he didnt think about flying cause his friends were in danger and just let his natural instincts kick in. Hes struggling now trying to consciously work on flying
Talking about voice actors again, Sludge is voiced by Dave Pettitt, who does a lot of anime voice work. He's voiced several DBZ characters, including the eternal dragon Shenron. We have a veteran in dragon voice acting here.
I've always seen Twilight and Spike's relationship of a parent-kid relationship but even then it's not strictly that. There are elements of employer-employee relationships and even master-servant. Like Spike is her assistant and cleans up the house, that's not something you make your chid or sibling do.
And for that reason while I do think Twilight is the closest thing Spike has as a mother, she's not exactly his mom. Their relationship actually reminds me of a more medieval style relationship where a lord or lady might think of a servant as his/her son. That's the closest think in real life that resembles what Spike and Twilight have and even that is doesn't exist in modern society anymore.
And even though Twilight and Spike so seem to have this strange servant/master/parent/son relationship, it don't really see anything wrong with it. Equestria is a different society with different rules and speaking as a viewer, I never saw anything wrong in their relationships as an observer. It's not like a modern, human relationship but that's ok. It's just different from what we have in today's society.
15:32 I never noticed Starlight was in the bathtub until a short while ago! Wonder how humiliating it was. Lucky that ponies normally don't need clothes. Otherwise...
This episode is really weird for me. On one hand, I really don't like Sludge. Any time he's on screen I hate it. But whenever Spike and Twilight or Spike and Smolder are on screen, it's really good.
11:38 "Why are you cheering that?" Because there's nothing in the rules against incinerating the ball to prevent it from going in the basket. If it ain't a penalty, it's good defense! :)
A lot of people seem to conflate hating Sludge with hating this entire episode. I was honestly shocked to discover that this is rated as the 6th-worst episode of the entire show on IMDb.
Yes, Sludge is despicable; in fact, the only character I hate more on this show is Lightning Dust. But he was intentionally written to be hated. On the whole, I thought this episode was a pretty good way to conclude Spikeâs character arc (since he sadly doesnât really get any focus episodes in season 9).
Also, I had to replay 8:18 like 10 times because it was so funny. Those damn roommates đ
Dude, I hate this episode, I just cannot stand it. Do you know how sad it is, really? They waited 8 seasons to reveal Spikeâs parents and he still got screwed over. Thatâs so sad.
Like, I actually cried for Spike because he deserves so much better and the fact that the writers actually approved this episode is just absolutely disappointing to me. Spike deserves better, he does not deserve this episode. I hate how that douchebag just got away with it after the bullshit that he played!
21:02 Uh... YEAH, they do, actually, Smolder! Your entire culture was formed from the example of a colostomy bag of a dragon who took advantage of a Dragon Lord's kindness and overthrew him!
THIS was indeed the worst episode among all of Season 8 in my opinion. The word âobnoxiousâ doesnât even begin to describe Sludge.
EDIT: The story itself didnât even save grace for me neither, even if it meant well in regards to the bond between Spike and Twilight, including Smolder being a good sister figure to the former.
I was doing what scootaloo did when Sweetie Bell was singing the 99 buckets of oats on the wall song in sleepless in pony ville when the theme song started
Damn it the episode is called father knows beast... and if i change the title it will be mismatched with the thumbnail.Screw it, it's staying like this XD
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I mean you can change the thumbnail too
0 likesI guess doing it 3 years later would be pointless
i also thought it was father knows best too... the words are too similar!
0 likesPonyBro, how could you!?
1 likeThe funny thing is that the original title is "BEAST"
4 likesYou named it "BEST"
And I read it "BEAST" so laugh on me. đ
Oh wow i didn't even notice it until i read your comment.
4 likesI think Spike can be forgiven for losing his temper. It still was horrible what he said to Twilight, but you've got to remember that he's still a kid who never knew his biological parents. And for him, Sludge gave him hope to find out more about his past and himself. The most awful thing was that Sludge took advantage of a young boy to fulfil his own, selfish, greedy wishes. And hey, Spike apologized to Twilight in the end.
96 likesSpike's reaction is actually a common reaction in this scenario. There are some people who have always known they were adopted and look to find their parents, not realising the help their adopted families have given. This is likely why many faux parents don't tell their adopted children the truth, because they fear they might not be seen as real parents. On the other side, there are plenty of adopted kids who find reason to hate their real parents for abandoning them, and that could still lead to the same effect because they may see their current life a lie. Spike was rarely ever seen to think of Twilight as his mother. He viewed her and Shining Armor as siblings, as addressed in Sparkle's Seven (albeit that was after this episode). So I would guess that he saw their parents as his parents too, or as close as he could get, though acknowledging that Twilight did a lot for him, of which he had just forgotten for a while when Sludge came along.
76 likesThen again, Spike did a lot for Twilight too. One could argue he did more for her than vice versa. I can't speak for him or how he thinks of Twilight, but, up until this episode, it doesn't seem like he ever viewed her as his mother in the slightest.
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It's more of a parent-child like relationship as I think so because of one of the comics showing twilight as a filly having to take care of spike all by herself.
0 likes@Twinkle the Fox well i think they mean something different considering twilight raised and was by spike's side most of his life
1 likeI read the wiki and it says they are adoptive siblings and his adoptive parents are twilight velvet and nightlight.
2 likes@Obi-Wan Kenobi yeah their relationship is complex but luckily itâs not immoral or anything like tha
7 likesI've always seen Twilight and Spike's relationship as more of a parent-kid relationship but even then it's not strictly that. There are elements of employer-employee relationships and even master-servant. Like Spike is her assistant and cleans up the house, that's not something a child or siblings does.
7 likesAnd for that reason while I do think Twilight is the closest thing Spike has as a mother, she's not exactly his mom. Their relationship actually reminds me of a more medieval style relationship where a lord or lady might think of a servant as his/her son. That's the closest think in real life that resembles what Spike and Twilight have and even that is doesn't exist in modern society anymore.
And even though Twilight and Spike so seem to have this strange servant/master/parent/son relationship, it don't really see anything wrong with it. Equestria is a different society with different rules and speaking as a viewer, I never saw anything wrong in their relationships as an observer. It's not like a modern, human relationship but that's ok. It's not immoral or weird, it's just different from what we have in today's society.
Only jerk in this episode was Sludge. He took advantage of an orphan child. Yeah Spike was harsh to Twilight, but he's a child who was excited about his dad and felt something that made him happy was being attacked. Even adults get harsh in times like that
15 likesI really enjoyed this episode. Sure, Sludge being obnoxious is a bit hard to bear, but the touching Twilight and Spike moments and Smolder continuing to be a good source of insight into dragon culture for Spike more than make up for it.
33 likesSludge is most certainly a grade A asshole, but I like the dynamic Spike has with Smolder. Also, I love how Twilight needed to ask "It's me, right?" at the end.
40 likesYeah this episode isn't great, but it did pretty much confirm that spike sees twilight as a parental figure at least somewhat, and at the time it made me really happy, because I've always loved that concept.
24 likes5:38 Rainbow: "You're not the first stubborn dragon we've met, you know?"
29 likesNo, that would be the one you kicked in the face, and immediately regretted it.
I know that what Spike said to Twilight was messed up, but I get it. He's unsure of his own heritage, a part of his own identity, and to him it seemed that Twilight was taking that missing piece away from him even though that wasn't the case. Besides, Twilight was more like his big sister than a parent, and I'm guessing Twilight's parents were more preoccupied raising her and Shining Armor versus raising Spike. It's not the same as knowing both parents, or even one when before you knew none.
18 likes1:33 "You were flying a lot better than this when you saved Rarity."
31 likesHe also had a lot better motivation.
This episode literally throws Starlight out with the bathwater.
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Really Hasbro!!!?
3 likesReally!?
Did you really have to show that!? đ đđđ
A pony in a bathtub, but the pony is
STARLIGHT đ±
A cardinal sin! That's gotta knock at least two points off.
8 likesConsidering the way Smolder was appalled by Sledges actions, iâd like to think that the act of pretending to be a relative of a Young dragon just to use them or to take their things, is a massive taboo in dragon culture.
22 likesAll so my happy place can include former dragon board Torch eating Sludge like popcorn chicken.
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Ok can I have a head cannon that smolder is like a big sister to spike? She's been there for him to help him with all dragon related stuff
3 likesNazo- kage Agreed. Dragons may be callous and conceited at times while having fun and such, but that is a definite no-no in their culture.
9 likesWell, I think we've got to give Spike some slack. Not only he had tough times to accept that he has no idea about his origins and parents, but in earlier seasons Mane 6 usually were showing a kind of neglect towads him. Or maybe it was all dependant on a particular writer (Dragon Quest was poorly written), but still. And I'm glad that Twilight is shown to be motherly attached to him.
8 likesMy thoughts are that when Spike first got his wings, he didnt think about flying cause his friends were in danger and just let his natural instincts kick in. Hes struggling now trying to consciously work on flying
7 likes18:23 Twilightâs heart literally broke.
7 likesI like this episode, sludge is an asshole but it provided some great moments, and spikes and smolder relations are great.
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leopard NDf Asshole or asshat?
1 likeTalking about voice actors again, Sludge is voiced by Dave Pettitt, who does a lot of anime voice work. He's voiced several DBZ characters, including the eternal dragon Shenron. We have a veteran in dragon voice acting here.
17 likesI've always seen Twilight and Spike's relationship of a parent-kid relationship but even then it's not strictly that. There are elements of employer-employee relationships and even master-servant. Like Spike is her assistant and cleans up the house, that's not something you make your chid or sibling do.
8 likesAnd for that reason while I do think Twilight is the closest thing Spike has as a mother, she's not exactly his mom. Their relationship actually reminds me of a more medieval style relationship where a lord or lady might think of a servant as his/her son. That's the closest think in real life that resembles what Spike and Twilight have and even that is doesn't exist in modern society anymore.
And even though Twilight and Spike so seem to have this strange servant/master/parent/son relationship, it don't really see anything wrong with it. Equestria is a different society with different rules and speaking as a viewer, I never saw anything wrong in their relationships as an observer. It's not like a modern, human relationship but that's ok. It's just different from what we have in today's society.
15:32 I never noticed Starlight was in the bathtub until a short while ago! Wonder how humiliating it was. Lucky that ponies normally don't need clothes. Otherwise...
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Her self-levitation abilities really came in handy there!
3 likesBut seriously, she should have levitated herself right back up to that window and kicked Sludgeâs ass.
Sludge could've been easily defeated by Bloomberg. That's why he wasn't in this episode.
4 likesThis episode is really weird for me. On one hand, I really don't like Sludge. Any time he's on screen I hate it. But whenever Spike and Twilight or Spike and Smolder are on screen, it's really good.
17 likesNot to be nit picky but... the episodeâs called âfather knows BEASTâ not best. You know this show likes making puns. đ
23 likes11:38 "Why are you cheering that?"
8 likesBecause there's nothing in the rules against incinerating the ball to prevent it from going in the basket. If it ain't a penalty, it's good defense! :)
I love the older sister younger brother smoulder and Spike have.
6 likesAnd Spike how could you break your mother's heart
A lot of people seem to conflate hating Sludge with hating this entire episode. I was honestly shocked to discover that this is rated as the 6th-worst episode of the entire show on IMDb.
2 likesYes, Sludge is despicable; in fact, the only character I hate more on this show is Lightning Dust. But he was intentionally written to be hated. On the whole, I thought this episode was a pretty good way to conclude Spikeâs character arc (since he sadly doesnât really get any focus episodes in season 9).
Also, I had to replay 8:18 like 10 times because it was so funny. Those damn roommates đ
4:18 is no one gonna comment out that spike just did a back flip over that thing?
6 likesSpike's fictitious mom has got it goin' on. XP
0 likesSome people thought Non-Compete Clause was the worst episode of this season, others Yakity Sax. To me, this was the worst. Sledge is just SO horrible.
7 likesNot too much of a spoiler, but you'll be happy to know we NEVER see him again after this.
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Out of all the charcters, I am so so glad
2 likesprimepm Those other two were weak episodes, but âFather Knows Beastâ holds the record of worst among all of Season 8, I say.
3 likesAll I wanna know is how a big fat dragon like sludge can fly in the first place lol
3 likesDude, I hate this episode, I just cannot stand it. Do you know how sad it is, really? They waited 8 seasons to reveal Spikeâs parents and he still got screwed over. Thatâs so sad.
0 likesLike, I actually cried for Spike because he deserves so much better and the fact that the writers actually approved this episode is just absolutely disappointing to me. Spike deserves better, he does not deserve this episode. I hate how that douchebag just got away with it after the bullshit that he played!
PONYBRO SPIKE IS LIKE,IDK MY 3RD FAVOURITE CHARATER.......wanna know why?
0 likesBC HE'S SOOOOOOO CUTEEEE
21:02 Uh... YEAH, they do, actually, Smolder!
0 likesYour entire culture was formed from the example of a colostomy bag of a dragon who took advantage of a Dragon Lord's kindness and overthrew him!
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The story in The Hearthâs Warming Club? Iâm pretty sure that was just made up. But still, fair point.
2 likesThrows starlight out window
12 likesStarlight: No no no no no NOOOOOOO!
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Oh hey, Cleveland.
2 likesTHIS was indeed the worst episode among all of Season 8 in my opinion. The word âobnoxiousâ doesnât even begin to describe Sludge.
1 likeEDIT: The story itself didnât even save grace for me neither, even if it meant well in regards to the bond between Spike and Twilight, including Smolder being a good sister figure to the former.
Pony bro forgives you Spike.
5 likesYeah, THAT line isn't even a tearjerker for me, it just pisses me off with Spike's behavior and the awful writing making him say it.
2 likes23:12 "while my roommates continue to do their thing" ....
6 likesYeah...they are probably busy pepper spraying each other or something XD
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Did I... miss something?
1 like8:13 As soon as you found out before he said, "I'm your father", who was that talking to you in the background?
2 likesI was doing what scootaloo did when Sweetie Bell was singing the 99 buckets of oats on the wall song in sleepless in pony ville when the theme song started
1 likeI didn't like this episode. Sludge is obnoxious. Everyone comes off as kind of dumb. Yeash that moment where Spike really went to far.
5 likes4:15 Well what do ya know, itâs a Dragon Ball!
1 like16:24 looks soooo wrong xD..... What is seen canât be unseen Twilight...
5 likes16:26 "His dick is out."
2 likesPoor Twiggles has never one that big before.
i guessed that thumbnail since you were at season 3
0 likesSludge is toxic.
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Literally!
0 likes8:19-8:20
0 likesWho is shouting?
Spike is like what 10 WTF sludge
1 like8:19 - yeah, that was fuckin' annoying, Pinkie. :p
0 likesView number 15.
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Burger King Foot Lettuce?
1 likeSame!
0 likes16:22 nah cause why they animate her eyes to ever so slightly look down where his dick would be once he turned over.
2 likesI still want to punch Sludge.
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You and me both. Glad he was only a one-off character. He's another character who's beyond redemption.
0 likesEven twilight want to punch him
2 likesCan I join?
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