There are actually still more Windows 3.x remnants, one of which is inside the Command Prompt. If you open the Properties window by right clicking on the title bar (which literally no other program does these days) and go to the size section, you'll see a preview which uses a menu button and a minimize and maximize button, the same style as 3.1's window controls. In MCC, the "multi document interface" is used (basically the Program Manager interface which let you have multiple sub windows inside one parent window), even though there's very little point to it. The child windows also use the Windows Aero Basic theme.
@@Astra3yt nope it's from Windows XP, the dialer.exe is just a big ass leftover and is useless now. if Microsoft cared about releasing a good system for once (Windows 7 and 10 are good but XP is the best) then they would completly recode the system. Even worse is that all Windows Operating Systems have leftovers from a earlier version of another Windows meaning that WIndows 11 is just a reskin of Windows 10, 7 and even 95.
Kinda sad the multi document interface fell out of favor. Of course the programmer needs put some thought into keeping the application usable on multi montor setups but if it's done well it's just great. Like the way mIRC does it where you can separate child windows from the parent and have a tab bar/sidebar to navigate through all the child windows. It can work with modern style window decoration but the application might need to support it. And if you run an application in compatibility mode it will revert to the Aero Basic theme. It's kind of a trademark oldschool Windows workflow so I don't even think it works with a library like GTK (I think wxWidgets would just turn it into tabs on Linux). But Java Swing has it.
@@hikkamorii I'm aware you can run DOS programs in a window, I never said you couldn't. I'm just saying that in Windows 3.1, the typical window controls such as double clicking the system menu to close them doesn't work for DOS programs, and also there's no properties page, those features came along later.
@@southernflatland No one was talking about DOS or other CLI programs though. If you talk about command prompt specifically, it's an exception, since other win3.1 programs use it.
@@hikkamorii I attempted to reply once already, but I think they rejected my comment as I spelled out the name of the command prompt file and I think they interpreted it as a web link. Anyways, lemme try to comment again...
We're talking about the command prompt, which is a DOS program. The double click to close feature you mentioned only works for Windows GUI programs in Windows 3.1, it does NOT work for DOS programs.
Go ahead, test it, you'll see. I did before I ever commented.
@@southernflatland You're very incorrect, you DOUBLE CLICK the minus/menu button in windows 3.1 to close a window, and starting with windows 95 it became an icon, but the double-click to close remained. If you single-click that menu button on 3.1, you'll get menu for organizing window, and surprise, it works the same way starting with windows 95.
Actually, as someone who uses mac and linux with buttons on the left, I often use this, very nice.
Did you know I'm using you as inspiration because I want to make some service packs not the ones that will help you but some that uses a lot of the windows backwards compatibility like using technologies based on Windows 95 and various of NT lines of windows when that happens you'll be looking at Windows 11 very definitely like the kernel would have spilled the beans all of what was actually locked up from those years passed after that operating system has surpassets outdated line which is very difficult for me to say the obsolete expiration date
Also, if you doubleclick on icon in the title bar, the program will close. So in a sense, the icon became the "menu" button that was used in windows 3.1
@@IrisGalaxis 3.0 was not a major milestone, you might mean 3.1. Windows 3.1 was when windows was starting to become popular, but I believe that title goes to windows 95.
I forgot about another DOS leftover: Open any executable file in a text editor. The first line will likely contain an error message saying the program isn't for MS-DOS. Apparently, just in case you try running any Windows executable in DOS, that message still needs to be there.
MCC case exists on Office apps up until now as well, if I remember correctly. It might use some different method to achieve that, but still the same result with Windows Aero Basic theme if I remember correctly. Just tested on Office 21. :)
I got an error message once in Win7 when I was running some programs for Windows 1.x or 2.x... it went something like "This program was made for a version of Windows before 3.1, are you sure you want to run it?" The same message appears in 3.1 when you try to do something like that. Now, I'm not sure if it's accessible still, since 64bit Windows can't run old 16bit apps, but I'd bet you it's still in there in the code. And there are probably more. Maybe you can get it with NTVDMx64... I haven't tried.
Oh, and by the way, thank you for putting my favorite song "Synchobonk". It was my favorite before. The reason why I hated Microsoft is because of the remnants straight from Windows 98 all the way to Windows 10, in Windows 11!!! I can't believe we actually got used to it long ago! Curse Microsoft For This!!! And they didn't start with a clean slate and design it into a fully working modern system. Heck yeah, Fedora and all other Linux distros and some others including HaikuOS, KolibriOS and MenuetOS are about 5 to 25 times better than Windows 11! Maybe you had tried Linux before.
@@linux_fox If modern Windows was XP but a bit prettier I would be happy. The problem is that as they update and replace these systems they remove features or make them harder to access. Not to mention that the size of Windows continues to bloat, even though the requirements of what we want from an OS havent changed all that much.
@@half-qilin they slowly remove it, their market is enterprise they don't want something broken for the sake of the new app, hell even 90s app still can be opened using latest windows. even on linux server they use older kernel unlike their desktop counterparts that usually like the leading edge path.
@@automatedinsanity i want to compile arm32 apps for windows build 15035, how? Microsoft wont even help me because they literally have no SDKs and they hate 32bit.
"If it compiles, it's done. If it doesn't compile, compile it for Windows 11, and if it still doesn't compile, compile it for the XBOX. If it still doesn't compile, it's a broken insider dev build."
they thought windows 8 wont work but they got bad reviews because dell didnt know the OS very well and just made the hardware, and the laptop I'm using right now originally came with windows 8, and it does not even have a touchscreen!
I mean, new settings app is good but I just wish it had some resemblance with Control Panel. If Microsoft does not want to remove the Control Panel, at least give it a correct dark mode so it could be consistent throughout the operating system and this is where I think Linux excels in like their theming is so consistent that you cannot even find a small rough edge on it like the new Ubuntu 22.04 LTS or the new GNOME desktop etc... If Microsoft wants to make Windows 11 great, they need to get those inconsistencies fixed fast otherwise Windows 11 would become a failure like Windows 8 and 8.1...
I still wish they gave us a Control Panel ported to the new UI instead of that poor imitation of a phone's settings app they came up with. It's one of the major roadblocks that stop me from going past Windows 8.1, and I don't even use that version often. Windows 7 and a bunch of older or otherwise compatible software are all I need for my computing needs tbh.
it would be good if they re-added the functionality of the control panel, for example i prefer the system proprieties in control.exe (control panel) or stuff like the "default program" settings i thing it was better when it was in the control panel.
@@RandomGuy37 I sort of understand why they’ve left Control Panel in, as some apps might call it to do certain tasks (hell even the UWP Settings app calls it to the uninstall applications menu, shows how lazy Microsoft is) But either go all the way in deleting it and redirect Control Panel requests to UWP Settings, or don’t cripple the old Control Panel at all.
Honestly I would much rather use Control Panel than the Settings app. Control Panel just felt much more capable back in the day. Nowadays we've been basically forced to use the Settings app, but still Microsoft hasn't removed the Control Panel.
Even though I still prefer Control Panel, in my opinion it would be better to just kill it off completely than leave it to the OS as a broken cripple.
Retrocompatibility is good. But I think the problem is that Microsoft's idea of retrocompatibility is just building the new version on top of the old one and then hide it. That means every new version is more bloated and you end running way too much unnecessary code that slows the system.
Also, Windows 11 doesn't add anything that users want, it's just "features" that Microsoft (and other enterprises) wants to have tighter control of the userbase.
That's why windows 11 takes up 64 GB on initial install. Windows sandbox's windows 11 image only takes up 3 GB, and that might be including the compatibility. Think of it without the compatibility.
pretty much every win32 UI element is (even a stupid button, albeit those things are a child to another window), even if a lot of those things don't have window frames or anything that indicates them being a window, but under the hood, they are
That's amazing how deep backward compatibility goes in modern-day Windows and I knew you would mention the File Manager (9x) and Command Prompt (MS-DOS) remnants. Even old dialog isn't changed which can be confusing. Microsoft needs to step it up.
@SomeRandomGuy Microsoft tried to change a lot of the Windows backend with Vista, but a lot of users got mad that some things like drivers just didn't work anymore.
I think it's actually too late for Microsoft, unless they make an entirely new OS built on a new kernel. I have no faith that most kids today will use Windows when they grow up. Kids today are used to BSD (macOS, iPad OS and iOS) and Linux (Chrome OS, Android and Steam OS). When I was a kid, we used Windows 95 in school, but I don't see any schools using Windows anymore. They're all using Macbooks, Chromebooks, and iPads, only some of the older teachers still use Windows.
Remember, Windows currently is built on the NT "New Technology" kernel, which was created back in the early 90s to replace the aging DOS-based system that existed. The first version, Windows NT 3.1, was basically Windows 3.1 but with a completely different subsystem. It's unsurprising that a few leftovers from this point still partially exist.
@@satinfoilplays7830 I mean you're not practically wrong. Usually, The NT-based OSes would be for businesses because they needed more power, while DOS-based ones could be run on weaker/cheaper hardware and were for consumers. XP was the first version not to have a consumer/business divide, it was one single version for both sides, and at this point the DOS-based architecture was becoming vastly more outdated every year so it was necessary to ditch it.
@@bomberman4046 I disagree. people are still able to look inside windows, as microsoft can, if they try hard enough. Its pretty easy if you just look hard enough and learn. People CAN pretend, but there are people who are legit. And Microsoft even tells you that windows XP is nt based when you install it, and it wouldn't make sense for them to go back to MS-DOS. Try to look harder before assuming stuff like that and telling someone their wrong.
Then when windows XP came out, they made it full NT (Correct me if I'm wrong, but) XP was the first version to not have an MS-DOS based version. Even windows 2000 had windows ME.
@@invalid_user_handle You can't know what's going on, on the code side, and plus, if something works and can't be done otherwise, and has decades of testing already done, you don't touch that. The whole video focus on graphical incoherences and un-updated looks of stuff that still works, ok that. But people here seems to pretend a complete uneccesary rewrite of something that doesn't need to.
@@arround1 True, but many of those usually have had more thorough rewrites. Windows on the other-hand is more like a layer-cake instead. At the least they could revamp all the old UI remnants...
The entire goal of Windows is to be as backwards compatible with previous releases as possible. To Micro$oft's credit, they managed to do this pretty well. Device drivers from Windows 2000 theoretically work on 11 (except for video and hardware accelerated sound drivers). Software for Windows XP works fine on 10 most of the time. In comparison, trying to compile and run old applications on Linux is a mess of dependency hell, and precompiled binaries from previous versions of Linux only sometimes work. The advantage of this is that Linux is a much more modern operating system in general. As for macOS, it just drops support for and breaks things from a few years ago without warning. And again, MacOS is more modern than Windows in general (cough cough bash 3.2).
The thing that makes it easier on Linux is chroots, and containers. As fast as a VM (or faster usually), and allowing you to run pretty much any Distro, allowing different Glibc versions, different GCC versions, different Coreutils versions, and so on.
One time I installed a program from a CD designed to run on Windows 98 and it installed with almost no issues on Windows 10. By far one of the most incredible examples of backwards compatibility I've ever seen.
On Linux, when distributing software you should always compile statically or use a more standalone format like appimages. Source code needs to be recompiled
@@arround1 because they don't keep the backwards compatibility. Microsoft focuses change on the parts that they prioritize for the release and keep the rest mostly unchanged. If a feature wasn't prioritized for years or even decades it may remain largely the same. MacOS or linux desktops would've simply removed it, like you don't see Gnome developers maintaining everything from gnome2 on gnome3
@@_GhostMinerBut why do macOS and Linux also support modern features and don't have such consistency and bloatware issues? It's as if Microsoft just give up about Windows development and mainly only relied on backwards compatibility
@@DistrosProjects came to say this but it does allow you to make a sort of time capsule for old software. Windows doesn't have an equivalent for this but it's rare to run into software that doesn't run on windows unless it's from the dos days
@@JessicaFEREM the problem with appimages is the lack of proper desktop integration and the fact that they are portable and can’t be “installed” traditionally. Flatpak is a much better solution, but has its problems (mainly Qt applications, GTK2 applications, and file management). And snaps are even worse, with slow start times, worse theming, and worse permissions.
linux is getting better with backwards compatibility with things like appimages. it's basically a file that has everything that the program needs to run in a container, but guessing you already know that.
Well yeah, backwards compatibility is really great, that's true. However I think it wouldn't hurt Microsoft to update the look of some of those older apps and tools. Windows has looked very inconsistent in terms of style for years now. It's even worse now with Win 11 so far. Hope they will fix it as the updates roll out.
As a Linux user myself, 90% agree. Almost all external APIs are actually fairly stable, and the dependency mess tends to be a general problem, not just with Linux (although it is more of a hassle on Linux) But, old executables and drivers are a backwards compatibility nightmare. It's almost easier to download the Windows binary and run it through WINE, since at least they have to support the backwards compatibility stuff Windows has.
9:47 I definitely wouldn't say the modern Notepad is carried over from 98, but rather from older NT versions. Win 95/98 Notepad could only open files up to 64k in size, while NT was only limited by memory. Plus, NT understood Unicode and Alternative Data Streams, while 9x never did.
They recently (1-2 years ago) added proper newline symbol support, that makes a massive difference in usability as well. It's still just a slight update to an ancient app. Which is fine if the app works, but it barely does so.
While watching both videos my reaction for the most part was "who should anyone even care?"
But there are some things that make some sense if you realize who actually is Microsoft targeting with Windows. Microsoft didn't care for consumers for decades now, what they care about are businesses! Why? Because they're paying a lot more that any consumer would. Some companies are still paying top dollar to keep Windows 7 alive! Why there are icons from windows 1 or even that "offline web pages" folder still in windows 11? Because some "Obsolete Corp." could rely on a program that would literally crash if you remove it.
@@hmwndp i think you meant zune music and not groove music. you know, the app accompanying the mp3 player microsoft released once? it even still uses that name in it's package name, and the orange highlights, since windows 8 i think.
Yes true, but they also broke the zune software in the windows 10 anniversary update! They are also thinking about removing the wonderful feature-rich Windows Media Player with a skinned VLC media player named "Media player"
@@mikoajkubik8204 so, you're suggesting that they should make a Windows, that would make lots of money from businesses, and version of windows that would make a lot less money from consumers?
Then, why don't just release a standalone version of Windows which would focus on keeping compatibility, something like win 10 LTSC release. I expected windows 10 x to be something brand new, legacy free version for modern computers but they canceled it...
Fun fact: In Windows Server 2016 (and probably all other versions of Windows Server since then), if you dive deep enough into the Group Policy Editor, you can find an interface which is completely unchanged from Windows XP. It looks exactly like an XP control panel window.
9:45 Technically, Notepad is old, but I honestly don't think it should be updated. Maybe some minor additions like adjusting tab size and maybe color schemes (not syntax highlighting), but the more stuff you add the more bloated it becomes. It's a "large sizeable editbox," it isn't and shouldn't be fancy.
8:11 the read-only feature is still useful for annoying applications that overwrite files with what they think should be there, read only forces that file to stay the same
Reminds me how Half Life: Alyx uses the Source 2 engine, which is the sequel to the Source engine, which is the sequel to the GoldSrc engine, which was a Quake engine modification. So, in theory, there might still be leftovers from the first Quake deep within Alyx’s files.
There's an actual example of that. IIRC in Alyx there's some flickering lights, they follow the exact same pattern as the torches in Quake. I guess no-one ever felt it needed to be changed.
Also I remember in the first part it wasn't mentioned, but in the Media folder, Windows 7 sounds folders are still here (Garden, Heritage, etc.), even if the sounds themselves are gone since Windows 8.
Windows 11 still has dialer included... Like I believe it was introduced in Windows 98. Anyways, you can access it by pressing Windows Key + R to open run and by writing dialer in the dialogue box and pressing enter or clicking run... Notice how its colors are off and its fonts on the individual numbers which are not matching to the Windows 11s Segoe UI Variable...
Notepad and Paint (mentioned in the last video) have actually already been updated to look a bit more modern; not sure why you don't have them. They're also working on a visual refresh for the Task Manager.
@@ThatRandomToast my battery died. I forgot my charger at home And I traveled to an another town, I will be back after like 3 days I will try that when im home again.
@@a7linked Bro my normal windows 11 system also have new notepad and mspaint but before I was on beta channel then moved to normal bcoz beta and dev got same after some time
@@a7linked In build 22000.318 (the build currently hosting on the Microsoft site) I can get Notepad, Paint, and Calculator versions 11.2203.10.0, 11.2203.2.0, and 11.2203.1.0. Did you go to the correct page in Microsoft Store?
Cus u have insider build, thing that no one should have on their main system And if notepad and others are updated on your main system Reinstall NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE
@@Lampe2020 That's just an intentional design thing. It's not really what I'd call a "remnant" exactly. The idea itself is a remnant but I'll bet the implementation is not. It was likely reimplemented each time they made a major update because, well, it's just an option that's part of what you expect out of a Windows titlebar. Does anyone really use it? I don't know, but hey, if you get the muscle memory, no point in taking it away. Each time they make an update to the titlebar they either say "Ah yeah, we should keep the double-click thing on the icon, that's pretty standard to have" or they realize from looking at the code "Ah yeah, let's make sure that double-click on the icon still works, it's a neat little thing to have around still"
@@QuantumScratcher It works only if there's the application's icon in the title bar. If it's not, it doesn't work. (because you can't doubleclick the icon, obviously)
@@satinfoilplays7830 And that's also old ;) Did you know that you can Win3-style close a window in Win10? (double-clicking the app icon in the top left corner of the window)
Go to the Run box, and type iexpress. That program is straight out of Windows 2000 (ZERO changes!) and looked outdated even then (times new roman title, old fashioned buttons, broken cleartype, etc)
9:00 -- Not exactly. These screensavers were last updated in Windows Vista, then they removed a couple Vista-branded in Win7 and that's it. In 2017 they even officially discontinued them (lol) but it's still left in the system. I still have a screensaver on my computer, it's a modernized version of XP's space screensaver and it's really dope to see)
Also fun fact: on macOS screensavers are still supported and updated, likely purely for aesthetic purposes.
for example, xp's logon screensaver is just a black borderless window covering the whole screen with another borderless window with a bitmap painted on it that moves to a random position every 9 seconds
Very interesting how leftovers of all older Windows versions have made their way into Windows 10/11, even programs used in day-to-day use! Sadly, this makes the design and overall user experience of the operating system inconsistent.
In the latest Insider Preview builds of Windows 11, there are a lot of things updated actually. I would say about 8 to 10 remnants were updated. As I'm running those builds, LogonUI was updated, there's are new volume/brightness sliders, new accessibility menu both in LogonUI and OOBE, new tray icon container, new customization options, more settings ported from the Control Panel to Settings, and much more.
The fact they still didn't move everything to Windows Settings pisses me off... They at the very least could remove the control panel explorer links and UI itself, and open corersponding pages that haven't been ported (I think there are only a very few of them? Most of unported stuff are independent .CPLs, half of them are already linked in modern Settings; and as for 3d-party .CPLs, they could've been hooked and displayed in a separate page, like in an "Other" category which only shows up if system detects any)
While I can understand being annoyed of Windows 11 being sold (most of the time) as a brand new product, that has always been their philosophy and i'm not sure I want them to change it. With each OS built upon the older one, the transition has always been easy and we have to deal with less backwards compatibility issues. And that in itself isn't perfect (just look at videogames) but I still rather this than dealing with an all-new uncompatible OS each time. Slowly upgrading and changing things bit by bit it's something I'm okay with
Yes, although having disadvantages, it has been always been easier to upgrade to an OS that have the same codebase as the other ones. Less compatibility issues and developers are more aware and they have knowledge about what codebase Windows is in. It's just that as time went by, consistency of Windows just went downhill since XP. It would have been ok for Microsoft to update the legacy applications like Microsoft Management Console but they never did. Instead they just packed up the NT codebase with more apps and features as time went by without even clearing anything that won't be necessary anymore.
I really hope your videos about Windows 11's inconsistency go viral. Maybe it's the only way that will actually push Microsoft to make a complete UI overhaul, even if it takes a year or two to do so.
In the stripped-down version of Windows Sandbox, the disk space it uses in the virtual disk is less than 3 GB. WHY WOULD THEY MAKE THE MINIMUM 64 GB?
I just don't get it, you don't need any apps installed at all. All you need is Edge, Explorer, and WMPlayer, and that's it. Oh yeah you also need notepad.
resource monitor was updated with like vista or 7, there's still the older version of perfmon in mmc snapin, that one is as old as nt4, and many snap ins are, not 2k also uac settings dialog was introduced with win7. alt+f4 on explorer is as old as NT newshell too. dont forget the 16 bits subsystem and fullscreen command prompt (if you have a driver that supports it) Dont forget activedesktop! about screensavers: their last update was windows 7! and they were introduced with vista. the previous set in xp was a mixture of xp and 2k, then there's the old nt and 9x ones we've known to love, also xp starter had two exclusive screensavers Attributes is a DOS thing
There also is a very unknown program called Math Input Panel (Program Files\Common Files\microsoft shared\ink\mip.exe). It uses the Windows 7 style and i have no idea what this is useful for. Also when you close the window the actual process doesn't stop, and again, i have no idea how to stop it "the intented way"
@@mpf1947 Yeah i watched a video and now i understand. It just doesn't work with windows 10+ anymore. I tried pasting the equation into mincrosoft word and OpenOffice and nothing happened, although word knew that something was in the clipboard (paste button was clickable)
It's for inserting properly formatted equations into documents, because typing a complex equation with proper formatting is nearly impossible. And as for the process never terminating, Calculator does the same thing.
I think this is less Microsoft neglecting old features, but rather continuously supporting them on modern systems. I’m grateful for it, because it lets me use modern hardware and software with ancient accessories, useful in business applications. And windows is a business operating system.
I honestly hope they keep the remnants that are still visually correct (like the 98 ones, the nt one, ect, because that's just really cool and is basically just a callback to the older times.
.bat is also an MSDOS remnant. Bat files are labeled as "MS-DOS batch file" in Windows XP. .cmd (Windows NT command script) is supposed to be the newer replacement, but it's almost never used because bat still exists.
@@_GhostMiner there's no difference between bat and cmd as they all just run commands, all of which are present in CMD regardless of whether you use a bat script, or a cmd script
hell, you can just directly type '@echo off' into cmd and it'll work (and '@echo on' to bring it back)
Windows 11 is pretty much just a bunch of code taped together in the hope it won't die on them, somehow by whatever miracle they managed to ship an operating system that didn't instantly completely break
Everything from the early NT days was built to last, and that turned on Microsoft when at some point they realised taking the remnants out was very hard due to them being hardcoded into the system
they do one years worth of testing, basically stapling these metal bricks of code together. They couldn't do it, so they just made windows 10 worse and called it a day.
@@blastbottles actuallly, the newest build of groove isn't that bad. i have a bunch of SiIvaGunner albums in flac and groove no longer stutters while switching the song.
@@rainemusic And I think it's still better than whatever Microsoft tried to bundle as the new WMP (at least in 10, Groove was so crippled in features that wmp was more compelling to use).
The HTML Help program (Which happens to be accessible from the ODBC Data Source directory picker) has a copyright date from 2002, meaning it was last updated probably from Windows 2000/XP.
8:05 There are also two Properties windows - one when you right click a file on an NTFS drive, and one when you right click a file on a FAT drive (this uses Tahoma instead of MS Sans Serif)
Don’t know was it mentioned here by someone or no, but UAC window here is actually from Windows 7, because in Vista there was only two options — off and on, while in Win7 and later it has 4.
I think the "Contacts" folder had something to do with Windows CardSpace. I vaguely remember playing with CardSpace on a Windows Vista desktop in the 2000s. I think it would store the cards in this folder. Kind of like a half-assed modern take on Cardfile?
11:45 funny fact, the first option is in Portuguese: “driver da Microsoft para arquivos texto” is “Microsoft driver for text files”. Seems like on just that second there are multiple Portuguese named drivers.
There's also another old Windows leftover and it's pretty easy to find. If you try to name a folder or a file with an illegal symbol (? / \ : " | < >) a message bubble from Windows XP appears.
Also I found a leftover of Windows XP on the Windows Media Player, you need to set it on Group Policy Editor. But I forgot to do that, it will make the Windows Media Player uses Windows XP's Media Player theme instead the Windows 7 theme.
You don't need to edit the group policy to use a Windows Media Player skin. You can right-click the top bar of the WMP, then select View > Skin chooser, then choose "Corporate", then select Apply.
In fact, hovering over the X window system controls, the descriptions are yellowed since Windows 95. Also, I consider these properties boxes to kind of 'blend in' with the Windows 11 design, because the check marks and buttons have been updated. Even considering that, there are way more textures inherited from old versions of Windows than there should be
well,if you go by some of this video's logic,even the icons on the desktop might be considered a remnant,maybe the entire operating system in a way,but that does not mean that some things are straight up funny that they still look and operate the same way as lets say 20 years ago or even more. I always noticed old windows remnants myself in windows 11 and I'm glad someone made a video about it ! It was a very cool watch ! I don't really agree with some things you consider remnants,for example the disk cleanup,that's just a feature and it serves its purpose today as it did when it was introduced and aesthetic wise,it doesn't look dated or bloated or just overall not fitting with the current look of windows,it's just a neutral look,like other tools this video highlighted. But again,some things definitely need an overhaul and others should just be straight up removed since they are very obsolete
Thats because sub windows cant use dwm, and since those suckers didint make a fallback theme and decided, lets just keep win vista basic as a fallback, no one will notice, then that theme appears.
0:50 oh my god I remember messing with contacts in vista when I was a kid at around 2009 at least, I can’t believe the folder for it still exists in newer versions of windows. It is so old holy hell.
There's actually another Windows 10 remnant. Open Control Panel then change it's path to the computer(or normal File Explorer) to make File Explorer go "This is Windows 10's File Explorer, what do you need to find?"
This proves Microsoft is too lazy to work on a actual release starting fresh and clean, and being so lazy they keep apps untouched since they are a part of the system but they figured out "eh nobody's going to use that so well leave it there" and only care about "everyday" unnecessary UWP apps that they figure out it's the only thing they want to focus on, and other aspects is saying they optimized Windows but in reality, it's faster but with the extra shit code it just leaves the thing just as optimized as a previous OS. Microsoft should get up from its seats and showcase really something innovative and game-changing. Not that i hate these old untouched leftovers, but if you'd replace them with something new, and in my opinion, optimized, they would be just fine, but if not just remove it. Like these leftovers would be considered bloat since MS will continue adding stuff to W11, and with these apps unused, it would fill up space, and that's what im saying by truly optimizing Windows. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
@@seven7000_ ...and that was because of Vista's overhaul of both visible and under-the-hood features which gave it increased hardware requirements as well as broke a lot of compatibility with existing programs.
@@seven7000_ Why would Microsoft start from scratch? It makes no sense. Might as well base it on Linux then, and lose compatibility with lots of drivers and programs...
@@tapafon_red If they took at least the time to get a compatible kernel with new stuff from scratch then it would work out without sacrificing support, and most importantly, if they got the chance app developers and game companies could adapt to a new kernel they can try to start clean; and possibly have a huge update for W11, presenting huge optimization for basically everything, no bloat, no features left behind, all squeaky and shining without having to base around a older version every time.
They actually attempted - Win10X. But every attempt makes Windows incompatible with WIN32 software and hardware, which makes it useless for most people.
03:44 Well, I actually use "Character Map" daily for getting characters via the "Arial Unicode MS" font, because that font has literally everything in it. 😊 06:26 Well, sadly they broke one more feature of the desktop: animated gif images just show their first frame and not moving anymore ‒ gif images was playing correctly back in XP. 😞
@@tflsh Oh, that's kinda sad ‒ technically it become "passive desktop". 😑 And what about the "Windows Photo Viewer"?? GIF images not moving there either.
They removed the Active Desktop feature which handles GIF wallpapers. Active Desktop allowed you to kinda have IE as a wallpaper, and IE supported viewing animated GIF’s.
@@SubtotalAnt8185 I meant, the "Windows Photo Viewer" software, gif images are no longer playing in it! I know, the "Photos" app (since Win10) plays them correctly, but this isn't what I meant.
Honestly, it's not bad that programs are old, if they're functioning, I mean, even if you had to work on it, except for removing the old compatibilities and refreshing the style, the base program doesn't change. The whole Linux is based on this concept too, take Vim, a text editor, like notepad, going strong since 1991, and there's still some madlads that recommend it to this day. Reinventing the wheel isn't wrong, but selling it as "Whiil™, new edition, the wheel so good you won't ever want to look at peasants wheel" is indeed wrong and deceitful.
The problem is security and potentially performance too. Imagine modern components stacked on top of old one, which is single threaded and can only use 640k RAM. One day som smart hacker makes an exploit of it and it makes whole OS go kaput. It's definitely not great, not to mention that MS still often fails to make bacwards compatibility truly functional and some are forced to stay on old Windows versions anyway.
Another leftover I can think of is the "Windows Defender Firewall has blocked some features of this app". It has been slightly changed over the years, "program" switched to "app" in Windows 8 and the "defender" being added in Windows 10 as well as the gradient and icon being changed in Windows 11. But overall, it's just a dialog from Vista.
I like the Charmap, i used it in some of these "RP maps" which have YOU decide your custom country on even a custom map, it was fun. I used charmap for my names when some of the letters weren't avaliable in my keyboard setting. Good old times...
Also enderman, there is one more thing in windows 11 from vista. The app icons… which are not set by the application have the ‘unknown’ vista icon with green color with aero.
Windows 10 still uses the Windows 7 Startup Recovery menu if your PC manages to crash itself enough times, I managed to make it reappear on accident when I was trying to diagnose whether or not my PC had a bad PSU or bad RAM. Eventually me and my dad figured out that my RAM sticks just managed to get loose somehow which was what was causing the random crashes.
I miss Windows 7, best OS that wasn't a Linux distro if you ask me
but yet they haven't bothered to bring back Purble Place or 3D Pinball Space Cadet (ik you can download them or copy them from another computer running the older OS)
3:20 If this was a video about Windows 10, I'd expect a mention of the Windows Vista/7 startup sound, but this is Windows 11... 12:40 Oh, I look forward to that! Windows is a mess of random old assets, and words, if their random usage of "program" despite "app" becoming the new term for executables counts. "Program Files", "ProgramData", Properties > Compatibility mentioning programs multiple times, even NEW OPTIONS there that say that, and of course the Run dialog in this video.
Part of me wishes I could see something similar for Ubuntu or Debian. These Linux distributions have relatively long histories, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some minor splash from Ubuntu 4.10 left in Ubuntu 22.10 (and possibly 23.04 soon)
I'm just glad that Windows 11 still has grpconv.exe so if I ever need to directly upgrade from Windows 3.1 all my icons in Program Manager can be retained in the newer start menu so I can still easily access my 16-bit applications....... Wait a minute. No version of windows 11 can run 16 bit apps...... Wait a minute. The Windows Start Menu no longer has a compatible directory structure....
13:22 You'd be right - on Legacy, it is still possible to use the Windows Vista boot screen in 11, though I'm pretty sure it's a slightly different boot argument than noguiboot.
and the Vista boot screen is just a reskin of XP's (they just changed the resources like they do with winver)
hell, you can get XP's boot screen back in Vista and later by just replacing the bitmaps in ntoskrnl.exe with XP's, and then jumping through the hoops to get it to trust itself (you have to sign it wih a test driver certificate or smth like that)
I like the older design language more because it feels like I’m not using a simplified version of a program for phones or tablets but just a program designed for PC only.
2:00 I'll kill Microsoft if they touch the MMC.. I love that tool currently, and I really hope that they don't try to force their modern UI into it.. (also, probably every sysadmin will kill them as well, if they dare to touch the MMC)
Watching this on Debian 11. Yeah windows has problems like this, when I used windows, this never really got on my nerves, in fact, I knew it was there, I just never cared.
When I moved to linux, it was so much more consistent. Going back to windows felt like battling a chimera from mother 3 or an amalgamate from undertale. Windows is a mess.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the next Win 11 update brought back some shit from Win 3.x down to Win 1 instead of patching out the old unnecessary stuff.
personally i like seeing stuff like this, i remember using a windows 10 in the past and seeing the stuff that remained unchanged from windows 7 felt pretty nostalgic, though it did also feel like i was just using a windows 7 with windows 10 painted over it lol
Honestly drive letters are also an MS-DOS remnant...which itself is a CP/M remnant...which itself is a CP/CMS remnant...but those last 2 were technically just inspiration as they aren't MS operating systems.
I maybe wrong but i think the alt+fr shutdown prompt is also a very old remenant. And hey man! Keep up the good work hope you got a good sleep after staying up that late.
On the screen savers thing, I actually copy and paste the old OpenGL screen savers from Windows 2000 into my Windows 10 machines so I can have the old and arguably better screen savers on my machines again.
the notepad significantly changed from Windows 10 to 11, new feature to select lines from the border, new find and replace prompts in new style and redesigned prompts
The 2 MS-DOS DLLs are actually Windows 3.1 because they show the iconic Windows 3.1 DOS logo. Remember when you minimized the MS-DOS app? Well the first image in the DLL is that icon.
i have smth interesting. i play minecraft, right? and when i upgraded to windows 11 on my laptop, the game would jsut randomly freeze (only graphically, when i was playing on servers and i pressed the wasd keys people could still see me moving). then, when i tried to take the game out of full screen, the UI from an older (idk which windows) showed up, very XP looking, because i used 7 and vista and it was not them. idk why but i think the UI underlying code is still in there
shell32.dll still contents an windows 7(or vista, idk), windows xp and windows 9x icons :3 imageres.dll contents some windows 10 icons and windows 7 yet(or vista again, idk) :3
I feel like Windows Vista is a major foundation for modern windows versions today. It introduced the similar Windows Setup style that is still used today, to user accounts/UAC, control panel layout, foundation of the file explorer style we have today, windows update built directly into windows, transparency effects, etc. Without it, Windows would be very different today.
I love this kinda thing! Really harkens back to the history of one of the most complex pieces of software used all the time. Most of the outdated UI is hiding in parts of the OS that are either supported for backwards compatibility, or things intended only for use by system admins or power users. Frankly, we're lucky to have user friendly UI for those at all, let alone up to date UI. Fax is still used by many businesses, but I can totally forgive MS for not going out of their way to update it past Vista. And the 3.x era bits are just wholesome, I hope they never go.
Also task manager. Although I like the new dark theme, I believe Task Manager has taken a downgrade in terms of being formal. It looks like a Mac, which is absurd. Windows 11 looks like a Mac.
Also, this is dumb: Microsoft kept areo glass transparency even though the feature was removed.
In Word 2016 (don't know about later versions), if you hover on something, I don't really remember what exactly but it's on the top, it would show an image from Windows XP.
What also is funny is the dialer.exe program which is also unchanged since the Windows 9x days und still works, if you got an old telephone connected to windows. :D
The most noticeable remnants and oldest are the caption buttons tooltips (like close, minimize, maximize) still has yellow background since 1995
And for the rare case is "update personalized settings" window, the window appear when you updating windows feature update or ms edge with black entire background and it existed since windows 95
But that's remnants existed for win 10, idk windows 11 that remnants still existed or not
if you hold down alt and enter in cmd (don't use Legacy mode), it should flash between full screen and windowed. During that period, you should see a Windows Basic themed window of that. If you set a program's compatability to Windows XP, that app will run in Windows Basic too.
Technically the Run dialog is a leftover, but it is the most beloved thing to me, especially when I switched to Linux because couldn't stand non-compact view in Explorer (in Windows 10 Insider, by the way). That's how I launch Chrome all the time on school PCs
I think there was a folder texture from Windows 3.X that was kept until some version of Windows (I think 10). I think only the folders that started with HKEY had this texture. I'm not sure. I know barely anything special about Windows, but these videos are somehow fun to watch.
The reason theres so many remnants of older versions of Windows in current versions is due to Microsoft ongoing promise of backwards compatibility. Instead of simply replacing an object in the OS with an updated version, an updated version is added and key files in the Windows folder are simply updated to deal with the new variant. In the minor case where someone still wants to/has to deal with older deprecated software, having this system in place allows for this to occur with (in theory) less fuss and applications dont just break. Not always the case and problems still occur. I mean its Windows for crying out loud.
well for properties window borrowed from Dave, the one who wrote WindowsNT task manager and still used until windows 7 said "If it wasnt broke dont fix it, if it works dont change it", though that window was the most effortless moderinisation considering we already have explorer dark mode since win10 1709 if i recalls correctly
bro I swear to god one time I installed some drivers for my new headset made by Romanians and they had the Windows 3.1 setup wizard looking thing with the background and everything 💀 for those wondering, the headset was made in like 2021 or something and they were gaming headphones.
Notepad actually have been updated since Win9x. Win2000 added proper Unicode support, and sometime during the Win10 era they also added support for Unix-style line endings.
8:36 i dont think anyone noticed but, the music hes using here is made by 3kliksphilip's dad and this music is also featured in philip's CS:GO Music kit, his dad really makes good 80's and 90's styled songs and i love it. you should use them more often they are amazing. personally i love atomic amnesia but thats made by philip himself. i also love Crossing those islands which is made by both 3kliksphilip's dad and himself.
Another remnant is that you can still get the Vista progress bar bootscreen (which is just an XP boot screen but only Microsoft copyright). You just need to set graphicsmodedisabled on BCD or bootup Windows on legacy BIOS (or CSM) with a monitor that has a resolution that is lower than 1024x768. The bootscreen will show itself in 640x480. So maybe try it with an old monitor, or an old netbook if you have one lying around since the screens on those were usually 1024x600.
@@SubtotalAnt8185 my main machine has Windows 10 LTSC + Fedora Linux Even Windows 7 is too much for that little netbook so I installed Void Linux on it
"3.1, you've been called up." "Oh my god, I haven't been called up for decades!" "..." "That is all I have been called for? Just a measly prompt window? That sucks, I'm outta here!"
another one in microsoft edge is if you enter a "unsafe" website in IE mode,such as if ur on a school desktop and do that,the lock on the warning is an old remenant from something,idk version and os,but itsrare to see
Ive goten the vista fallback startup to happen many times like for example if you have ventoy on a usb then put windows 11 install disk image in the usb not through flashing but just copying the iso then when you boot off of it do ctrl w to enter winboot mode then pick the file and done
I remember talking with my dad about this video where you exposed Microsoft and he said that Notepad is techinacally a remain from Windows 3.1 but that it was just slightly polished up in Windows 98
Suggestion: Do a cool experiment,Try To install VMware tools before setting up windows,When installing windows,When that crappy OOBE starts up,Click on vm and click on install VMware tools and do shift + f10 to open cmd,On cmd,Type in D: and Press enter,Then type setup.exe and press enter
As a broadcast technican on a radio station, i'm happy that the old sound panel still exist, because it's easier to handle instead the modern trash UI.
For real. I always have a hard time fixing my microphone settings with that modern looking UI they made. Maybe they should just redesign it, but don't change everything. That's a real pain for us who's always tweaking and tweaking everything
When you drag and drop explorer.exe into 7-Zip, extract into a folders, go to .rsrc > ICON, you will find Windows 95 to Vista icons (only some of them, some of them are still Windows 10 icon ) (I am using Windows 10 so I don't know much)
If you close everything so you are at the desktop screen, click on the desktop area without icons to be sure, press ALT+F4 and you get the classic Vista era shutdown selection dialogue with drop-down menu.
if you force windows to install standard vga drivers and you have an x86 system, you can run MS-DOS games. no kidding even with the kernel change in windows 2000/xp it is possible. tried that once in windows 7
I downloaded Roblox studio from 2009 and tried to search something and it opened internet explorer and it's fully functional, apart from the fact that once you pin it to the taskbar if you try to open it from there it just opens Microsoft edge, so no, they didn't fully remove it!
Windows 11 is Windows 10, which is Windows 8.1, which is Windows 8, which is Windows 7, which is Windows Vista, which is Windows XP, which is Windows 2000, which is Windows 98, which is Windows 95
Thank God that you can install modern Windows on old computers. Theoretically you can install windows 10/11 on XP era computers even that are slowly as a snail. Is recommended to use windows 7 computers or with DDR3 memory, with few upgrades. You can renovate your device and use it for a couple of years more.
I think you forgot one, I guess? If you make an error script with VBS, using any error type (error, info, warning), they still use Windows 7's icon. I have just explored this, so I don't know really anything about it.
Fun fact: For the screensavers, the process is absolutely abominable: In Vista, they changed the selection as usual. In 7, they removed some and left it at that. Further, they neglected the entire thing, only removing the beautiful transparency in Bubbles!
It’s good that those tools are still there, especially the predefined MMC consoles and mmc.exe itself, because all the fancy and modern interfaces simply do not allow admins to properly configure, maintain, and troubleshoot the system.
@@Aura_Mancer The problem is: Everything regarding configuration they updated ended up worse than before (i.e. in Windows 7). They should leave the tools as they are.
I have no problem with user-facing configuration interfaces are designed to look good. Admin-facing interfaces don’t need to look good or modern, they need to provide all necessary information and options in a quick and easy way.
What they should do is update them. We're used to MS being "either I leave it or I delete it" but what we should demand is updated admin tools that work better.
ik this is crazy but there's an app called "file explorer" and it's a windows application that's been there since windows 95!!!! microsoft has run out of original ideas!!!!!!!😡😡
The command prompt is another remnant that is still left unchanged. The conhost.exe ui was changed but cmd.exe remained pretty much the same. (Try launching the windows XP cmd.exe on Windows 11 and it still works)
M$ can just spend more time and money to make Windows 11 (somewhat) more consistent in design while maintaining the backwards compatibility instead of making it looks good on the front (UWP apps, MS Edge, the "new" taskbar (it's just an overlay, the Win10 taskbar is still inside, you can make it to show by changing the registries)) and still keeping the design clash in the inside (Win10 styled UWP apps, Metro style from Win8, Win32 programs....)
Windows 11 is bad. It looks like a mac. Fact: Over half the compatibility used in 3rd-party programs that they kept actually is broken, because one slight change of API breaks compatibility layer on top of compatibility layer. This is why the zune software broke.
@@automatedinsanity As a Windows user, I get confused every time Linux users try to recommend which distro is the best for people wanting to make a switch... what would be the best right off the bat, because people are not that technologically inclined!
@Watcher I used a lot of distros in my lifetime, my first Linux was mandriva 2005, so sorry if I recommend a harder Linux distro, I probably should have just recommended fedora out of the gate.
Switch to Linux, it’s free and it’s better then buying a 1000 dollar mac and there are many distributions out there, I recommend Artix Linux with the cinnamon desktop or kde plasma desktop
The properties window has changed a little (i think). If i was correct,in Win 7 i was able to tick a box which made the app i viewed the properties of,automatically run in administrator. I don't see that feature anymore in windows 10. Is it back on 11?
Hello Enderman, I have some questions about your website, so I used sometimes and in February, the website had shutdown because of the things happening in Russia but now the website is back, so I went to check the Adobe programs but there was only 3 programs, the After Effects 2022, Premiere Pro 2022 and Photoshop 2022. what happened to the others? Like the Photoshop 2020/2021 or After Effects 2020/2021? I use Windows 7 so it's a bit difficult to find Adobe products that works with (If my english is bad, it's because i only know a bit of, i'm from Brazil), also, great video!
You forget the remaning of Vista when you drag and drop a file for the explorer with the old Aero square. (I just check is now a grey ugly square). And the XP mouse cursor when you insert a disk, and more (actually some has been fix with w11)
DWWIN.EXE in System32 is Dr. Watson which was a debugger introduced during Windows 2000 which still exists today but I don't think it runs anymore. DXDIAG.EXE also still exists and that was introduced around 98/NT 4.0 I believe but it hasn't been changed much since.
I would get pretty mad if they changed the MMC and even more mad if they removed the old sound control panel. The MMC is just good classic GUI design that does what it should and they old audio panel is sometimes the only way to fix some audio device selection chaos.
Microsoft just needs to can windows vista's codebase and start over, of course not exactly like vista, but Microsoft needs to change something radical, down to the base. the installer hasn't changed at all since windows 8 and most of the installer is still vista's age. there's no reason why they can't run a live boot environment like Linux or MacOS, and there's no reason why windows 11 is just glorified windows 10, which is glorified windows 8, etc. windows has gotten too big with features literally nobody cares about, or could be disabled by default and downloaded on request. actually, if Microsoft is going to a internet-only world, why not make the ISO as light as humanly possible to get the bare windows up and then download the rest. you can't even put Win11 on a DVD anymore unless it's a dual-layer disc. Microsoft needs to seek out the windows modders and put them on the Microsoft team, and just allow them to hack and chop windows with little counseling. or how about this?, allow their users to create custom themes that just work and require no hacks, imagine going to the Microsoft store downloading a theme(or appx) that completely changes how windows looks and Microsoft wanted that.
Microsoft logic: ok, we tried hard enough making the old OSes, let's add the price and change 1-3 application per version? Everyone is silent Bruh that ba.. EITHER YOU AGREE OR REJECT THE WORK Bruh that good So, we need to make a new wasp, let's take 10 and change a few things. no one will notice I guess?
Ok seriously Microsoft. Windows is bloated already, and the completely unused 20 year old icons aren`t exactly helping. Like I`m not talking about applications, even old dialogue's and icon`s can be forgiven, but making a uniform gui is a must. It`s not even that hard. There are like, at least two solutions that I can come up with right now, that would allow you to make a uniform gui across your whole system.
I recall that in one of the APIs for macOS there was something that started with NS* (NextStep), which was the predecessor to OS X. The thing with Apple and this topic is that Apple does NOT care about software compatibility and actually remove A lot of old stuff from their OS to the point of actually being criticized about. See OpenGL and OpenCL support. See 32-bit compatibility. What happened to those? Deprecated and removed from the OS.
Even better. When you add an FTP folder in Windows Explorer in This PC, right click into its contents and press "Login as", You will notices windows 98 icons and a ugly user interface.
Did you know that if you extract the resources of the themes in c:\windows\resources\themes (Including "Aero") you can find some Windows XP things, like the icon backgrounds that show if you were to go into the c: drive for the first time.
Temporarily remove the CMOS battery for around 20 minutes. But this is hard on a laptop, you can even break it. You'd better off taking your laptop to a shop.
I'm not sure about windows 11, although knowing microsoft that wouldn't surprise me, but on windows 10, when your display can't be set at a resolution 1024x768 or higher, you'll get Windows Vista style boot screen
no GUI boot? maybe that's from Windows NT 4.0, 3.51 and before never tried NT 3.5 and 3.1 myselfso i dunno try enabling "VerboseObjectLoadMode" in your Windows Load of Boot Manager
Are you a gd player Enderman because a part of your video contains gd level song, in this video the first song = DR. Phonics Code Red of the level Death Corridor
The manual driver installation applet! Though they just SLIGHTLY updated it in Windows 11. In Windows 10 it still tried to select the drive A: by default and displayed an icon with a floppy disk. In Windows 11 they updated it so that it selects the drive D: by default and the icon has a CD instead of a floppy disk. Quite in time concerning how much used are optical drives nowadays... I mean this one (sorry for the non-English language version): https://obrazki.elektroda.pl/7959092900_1655845724.png
If you press on the initial Windows Setup OEM Startup : Control + Shift + F3 the pc will reboot and open a pre work enviorment. A OEM Company that I work with has told me that secret hack :D @Endeman
Have your forgot MRT? the "antivirus" from MS that's been around since XP, looks the same today but is still updated to this day. Although the Defender has actually been around for years and you could combine it... but it's probably too logical. I guess.
Strange to think that a hundred dollar OS is so outdated and parts just dont work/fit in. Seems like open source OSses like Ubuntu and Fedora are finally catching up!
Older versions of Notepad as well as many other apps are still included in clean installs (as of version 21H2). You can update these apps via Microsoft Store
I copied all the screensavers from a Windows 98 machine to my Windows 10 pc in C:\windows\system32 folder. And every screensvaer from WIndows 98 works, for example the Windows labyrinth or the Flying Windows and much more. And yeah, try press the Winkey+R and the runbox appears, or if u are at the desktop and press alt+f4 the old classic shutdown box appears. :-)
ok i managed to remove your malware called "no escape" only by launching the program pulling the plug like 2 seconds after it says restarting it created all of the users desktop was full of junk but i could still login with my own password then i just manually removed all the users and desktop things (was done on actual hardware accidentally)
Wait hang on Notepad is a remnant of Windows 98? Notepad has been in Windows since bloody 1.0! Wordpad is essentially just Windows 1/3 Write but with a new name and new design. Its essentially part of the DNA of Windows. You could argue Run is a remnant of Windows 3 and 95 as well. To be honest I dont think Microsoft will bother with most of these programs although I might be wrong.
Oh, and by the way, thank you for putting my favorite song "Synchobonk". It was my favorite before. The reason why I hated Microsoft is because of the remnants straight from Windows 98 all the way to Windows 10, in Windows 11!!! I can't believe we actually got used to it long ago! Curse Microsoft For This!!! And they didn't start with a clean slate and design it into a fully working modern system. Heck yeah, Fedora and all other Linux distros and some others including HaikuOS, KolibriOS and MenuetOS are about 5 to 25 times better than Windows 11! Maybe you had tried Linux before.
Esto está bien, si funciona, no lo arregles. Lo lamentable es que no se dignaron a hacer un tema oscuro completo, con lo cual no se pierde compatibilidad ni funcionalidad, en el minuto 4:52 es evidente.
I still can't believe Microsoft hasn't changed the settings of everything completely like the control panel remains the same and a bug that if you put dark mode it won't change the control panel to dark and I hate it why does Microsoft have to act so dumb
I quiet like the new settings of windows 11 it seems more modern and organized but subtotalant8185 you can't find anything in the settings because maybe you are not use to it you are use to the windows 10 settings
no dont say that control panel has completely changed and i dont like the new settings it looks bad and i cannot find anything. (by changed i mean that most links redirect you to settings)
honestly im not even sure i want them to change these. a lot of updated things like settings over control panel are inferior. except for the shit that can actually be improved on. like the task scheduler password dialog. and maybe some of the styling. but thats it. leave the core ux alone.
So, i liked the video but didn't like your comment. Most of the stuff you mentioned is used by IT, not your average home windows user, consistency in those elements is pretty good for workflow, becouse instead of learning how to use new OS those people can just go and use it, becouse it's the same thing that was ~20 years ago, and this stuff from '90? probably it would be easier to just create new system from scratch than try to delete it and ducktape system to "work as intended", it's easier and cheaper to just leave it
This series explains why Windows is so bloated and why I believe the current Windows project is too far gone to save. Microsoft needs to start from a fresh codebase or see their OS fall to mac and linux as more and more people make the switch
Can't wait until 90% of apps can't even run anymore. Maybe rewriting a few system apps would be better, but rewriting Windows ENTIRELY? That's not happening in a million years.
It's not all bad, but the best thing they could do it rebuild Windows entirely from the ground up. I guess the boomers and old powerusers would be upset but honestly managing a Windows server bulk with virtualization, active directory and so on is just pain at this point. You need to search years until you find the correct setting or wrote the right script for task scheduler, pain in a huge company environment and even more useless and confusing for the home user.
I feel backwards compatibility is a moot point from microsoft at this point. Windows 11 can only run on processors from the last few years with the latest and greatest technology. What's the point of keeping stuff like dialer.exe and remnants from the 16 bit era alive in an OS that cannot be technically run on hardware that could theoretically use that stuff? What's the point in supporting Win 3.1 era drivers in 2022? What's the point of keeping screensavers around when you have to jump through hoops noone is going to take to use them? Why keeping mobile pc center around when it was a duplicate feature the day it got introduced anyways? Sync? In 2022? So many questions...
This of course glances over the fact that anything earlier than XP is trivial to virtualize and since xp everything is on NT and much less of a burden to maintain anyways... Maybe the engineering time spent making sure that the dialer works on windows 11 could have been spent making sure the pc does not reboot without warning to apply updates while i am using it in the middle of active hours...
4:05 Nope, the dialog itself is from 9x. Only the checkmark/warning icons were updated, and only because those are from the default iconset.
9:52 Notepad actually received Unix-style line ending support in Windows 10, so imo it doesn't count.
Yeah, half of these wouldn't look so out of place if Microsoft updated comctl32 instead of continuously creating new window systems and reinventing the wheel...
@@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 I know that this is a very late reply, but I have found a working way to use a modified comctl32.dll in Windows 11! It even has the entire styling code for Aero wizards and task dialogs, and I have updated the huge amount of Windows XP icons there.
@@winexperiments That's nice. The Win32 UI is still fundamentally broken in so many other ways though. Win32 Dark mode for all third party apps was killed by Windows XP's signature locking and poor visual flexibility compared to 98, Win32 mixed hardware rendering via DirectDraw was bitrotting so they locked everything to software mode in Windows 7 instead of fixing it to render everything with the GPU (yes, DWM in Windows 7 takes the inside contents of most windows from a software render buffer), Office never respected Windows design guidelines and always had a custom UI that clashed with the rest of the OS, and multiple different Microsoft UI frameworks coexist with different, and often incompatible concepts and hardcoded elements of their own, mostly since XP. They're all obstacles to a unified and performant Windows visual experience.
We already have at least 3 discrete iterations of UWP Windows.UI. One for Windows 8, one for Windows 10 and one for Windows 11.
They all continue to coexist side by side in Windows 11. In the 90s Microsoft continuously updated their at the time only window system, comctl32, with extra controls and features. Comctl32 was future-proof to the point even skinning the controls the way they did in XP was a mostly trivial task and most apps could be adapted automatically without brand-new APIs for everything. I'll never understand why they sabotaged themselves with signature checking in Windows XP and continuously create more of a mess ever since.
@@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 Talking about msstyles, I have developed an msstyles file that supports up to 250% scaling without looking deformed (possibly the first to do so). It also has much smoother animations. The resources are not vectors but they're the best attempt at what Microsoft has left to stagnate.
@@winexperiments That doesn't mean anything to Microsoft. Not to mention a determined enough attacker can likely crack the signature check. Just remove the check code entirely, no need to bruteforce the signature.
Comctl32 doesn't just have those images. It also has the entire blueprints and code for the original Windows classic style, with patches for Windows XP's msstyles bitmap-based skinning engine, that Microsoft still uses for Win32 apps in Windows 11.
Microsoft could've properly updated this engine to render using modern GPU composition and vector-based graphics, but no. They let it rot.
Microsoft has added a digital signature to comctl32 in Windows 10, making it impossible for users to modify it. It holds the Windows XP icons used in file pickers as well as the 9x style SysListView32 header resizing cursor…
XP isn't actually as consistent as people think, since it lended many features from Windows 2000 (e.g. Add/Remove Programs, Task Manager, Group Policy Editor, graphics for setup wizards, NTLDR etc)
It's a deliberate choice, so why is it shameful? I think users are familiar with the old Windows stuff, and MS keeps it around, because people clearly don't care. It is perhaps one of the best examples of don't fix what ain't broken in modern software. Is it pretty and user friendly? NO, but noone cares, it's Windows.
Shut up, your text boxes haven't changed for 2 years by the way i like your videos and with this series i realized that even on android the interface did not have a change at first glance from 5.0 to 8.1
There are actually still more Windows 3.x remnants, one of which is inside the Command Prompt. If you open the Properties window by right clicking on the title bar (which literally no other program does these days) and go to the size section, you'll see a preview which uses a menu button and a minimize and maximize button, the same style as 3.1's window controls. In MCC, the "multi document interface" is used (basically the Program Manager interface which let you have multiple sub windows inside one parent window), even though there's very little point to it. The child windows also use the Windows Aero Basic theme.
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the Basic theme is updated but only on inside the os aslo packs the classic theme but microsoft blocked them
0 likesalso by clicking the program icon
0 likesThere is also away in visual basic to make your application have windows 2000 controls, window style and everything
2 likesaslo the Windows 3.1 default color scheme is still present in the system.(seen using the Windows 3.0 control.exe file using ntvdm
0 likes@@Endermanchthere is the win.ini just hanging in c:/windows
0 likesYeah they didn't bother updating child windows with the modern flat scheme, feels like they are lazy at this point
0 likesMDI sub-windows always have Aero Basic as their theme.
0 likes@@Astra3yt nope it's from Windows XP, the dialer.exe is just a big ass leftover and is useless now. if Microsoft cared about releasing a good system for once (Windows 7 and 10 are good but XP is the best) then they would completly recode the system. Even worse is that all Windows Operating Systems have leftovers from a earlier version of another Windows meaning that WIndows 11 is just a reskin of Windows 10, 7 and even 95.
0 likes@@mjdxp5688 the this program can not be run in dos mode thing? it's pretty normal afaik, since it's just a header for windows executables.
0 likesKinda sad the multi document interface fell out of favor. Of course the programmer needs put some thought into keeping the application usable on multi montor setups but if it's done well it's just great. Like the way mIRC does it where you can separate child windows from the parent and have a tab bar/sidebar to navigate through all the child windows. It can work with modern style window decoration but the application might need to support it. And if you run an application in compatibility mode it will revert to the Aero Basic theme. It's kind of a trademark oldschool Windows workflow so I don't even think it works with a library like GTK (I think wxWidgets would just turn it into tabs on Linux). But Java Swing has it.
0 likes@@QuantumScratcher MMC is not that. MMC is things like disk manager, services, etc.
0 likes@@hikkamorii I'm aware you can run DOS programs in a window, I never said you couldn't. I'm just saying that in Windows 3.1, the typical window controls such as double clicking the system menu to close them doesn't work for DOS programs, and also there's no properties page, those features came along later.
0 likes@@southernflatland Also, you absolutely can run DOS prompt in window, just press Alt+Enter when in prompt
0 likes@@southernflatland okay then , why did you start replying to me if you weren't addressing me?
0 likes@@hikkamorii Did you even read mjdxp original comment you responded to? They explicitly refer to the command prompt.
0 likes@@southernflatland No one was talking about DOS or other CLI programs though. If you talk about command prompt specifically, it's an exception, since other win3.1 programs use it.
0 likes@@hikkamorii I attempted to reply once already, but I think they rejected my comment as I spelled out the name of the command prompt file and I think they interpreted it as a web link. Anyways, lemme try to comment again...
0 likesWe're talking about the command prompt, which is a DOS program. The double click to close feature you mentioned only works for Windows GUI programs in Windows 3.1, it does NOT work for DOS programs.
Go ahead, test it, you'll see. I did before I ever commented.
@@southernflatland You're very incorrect, you DOUBLE CLICK the minus/menu button in windows 3.1 to close a window, and starting with windows 95 it became an icon, but the double-click to close remained. If you single-click that menu button on 3.1, you'll get menu for organizing window, and surprise, it works the same way starting with windows 95.
1 likeActually, as someone who uses mac and linux with buttons on the left, I often use this, very nice.
@@_GhostMiner Not on Windows 3.1, there was no 'right click on the titlebar'
0 likes@@hikkamorii Nope, that don't work for DOS programs in Windows 3.1. Also there was no 'right click the titlebar' or properties window.
0 likesI swear you folks are describing Windows 95 and higher, but definitely not Windows 3.1
Did you know I'm using you as inspiration because I want to make some service packs not the ones that will help you but some that uses a lot of the windows backwards compatibility like using technologies based on Windows 95 and various of NT lines of windows when that happens you'll be looking at Windows 11 very definitely like the kernel would have spilled the beans all of what was actually locked up from those years passed after that operating system has surpassets outdated line which is very difficult for me to say the obsolete expiration date
0 likesmmc*
0 likes+CLOCK.AVI, WINDOWS.BMP
0 likesCould Thecnoblade use it??
0 likesAlso, if you doubleclick on icon in the title bar, the program will close. So in a sense, the icon became the "menu" button that was used in windows 3.1
1 like@@mjdxp5688 Are you Windows 7?
0 likes@@koduflower2000 and if you create a basic task, in the "configure for" section, it still says "Windows Vista™, Windows Server™ 2008"
0 likes@@HAKANKOKCU It's still an msstyles thing. Microsoft never bothered to update it
0 likesall app's child windows use win basic because they arent top level and they lazy for applying same theme for non-top level windows
3 likes@@Endermanch Using a proper msstyle can remove that aero basic
0 likes@@_GhostMiner I'm talking about the option to open properties from the titlebar right click menu
0 likesYou can right click on the title bar if it uses the windows default frame.
0 likes@@SubtotalAnt8185 i didn't mean popularity-wise, but codebase-wise
0 likes@@IrisGalaxis 3.0 was not a major milestone, you might mean 3.1. Windows 3.1 was when windows was starting to become popular, but I believe that title goes to windows 95.
0 likes@@Astra3yt Probably from Windows 95. I don't recall that in 3.x.
1 like@@SubtotalAnt8185 not much from those, sadly. They were really small, and 3.0 basically changed everything
3 likesWindows 3.x? What about window 2.x?
2 likesHow do you get to the multi document interface window?
3 likes@@mjdxp5688 Then it's surely still there in 11. I know Michael, but I haven't seen that video. I'll check it out.
3 likesI forgot about another DOS leftover: Open any executable file in a text editor. The first line will likely contain an error message saying the program isn't for MS-DOS. Apparently, just in case you try running any Windows executable in DOS, that message still needs to be there.
5 likes@@IrisGalaxis Another YouTuber Michael MJD made a video about running Windows 1.x, 2.x, and 3.x programs in Windows 10, and he got the same messages.
9 likesMCC case exists on Office apps up until now as well, if I remember correctly. It might use some different method to achieve that, but still the same result with Windows Aero Basic theme if I remember correctly. Just tested on Office 21. :)
5 likesI got an error message once in Win7 when I was running some programs for Windows 1.x or 2.x... it went something like "This program was made for a version of Windows before 3.1, are you sure you want to run it?" The same message appears in 3.1 when you try to do something like that. Now, I'm not sure if it's accessible still, since 64bit Windows can't run old 16bit apps, but I'd bet you it's still in there in the code. And there are probably more. Maybe you can get it with NTVDMx64... I haven't tried.
11 likesOh, and by the way, thank you for putting my favorite song "Synchobonk". It was my favorite before. The reason why I hated Microsoft is because of the remnants straight from Windows 98 all the way to Windows 10, in Windows 11!!! I can't believe we actually got used to it long ago! Curse Microsoft For This!!! And they didn't start with a clean slate and design it into a fully working modern system. Heck yeah, Fedora and all other Linux distros and some others including HaikuOS, KolibriOS and MenuetOS are about 5 to 25 times better than Windows 11! Maybe you had tried Linux before.
10 likesI saw the remnants of Windows XP straight from the Task Scheduler before, and this involved the privilege dialog to run the task!
10 likestrue! i've been using windbg for quite some time, i don't know how that flew over my head
124 likesAlso, not sure if this is from 3.x exactly, but there's the dialer.exe program for making calls on your you know... telephone line.
68 likesI know about the Multi document window. Microsoft abandoned it in Vista or 7.
2 likeshttps://youtu.be/PrY3qhhflH4
I feel Windows is the definition of "If it works, don't fix it."
773 likesExcept Microsoft thought control panel didn't work.
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lol
0 likesand also everything didn't work (and now even more so) which is why im on linux now
0 likesThe settings app is called the “ immersive control panel”
1 like@@RandomGuy37yeah control panel can even, no it is faster than settings app
0 likesI ain't tolerating what they did to my boy windows media player and photo gallery
0 likesThey change stuff they think people use the most
0 likes@@linux_fox windows 7*
0 likes@@SubtotalAnt8185 Agree, Microsoft hates 32bit
0 likes@@SubtotalAnt8185 lol Dell messed up
0 likes@@9852323 Was? it still is
0 likesControl panel was better than settings.
0 likes@@Olivia-W Windows Photo Viewer and Windows Media Player work faster and better than their shitty UWP counterparts
2 likes@@0zzyp0zzy nah, theyll love it once you tell them that you cant change it
0 likes@@Olivia-W everything that uses new ui is broken. go back to win32 because that is the most reliable and fast way of making applications
0 likes@@linux_fox If modern Windows was XP but a bit prettier I would be happy. The problem is that as they update and replace these systems they remove features or make them harder to access. Not to mention that the size of Windows continues to bloat, even though the requirements of what we want from an OS havent changed all that much.
0 likes@@relt_ Wish I could use that but I had to change the sound settings for a lot of people at work. Doubt they'll approve Openshell
0 likes@@0zzyp0zzy thats why i use openshell. it has windows 7 style search.
0 likes@@relt_ You got to search change system sounds, I know this pain all too well.
0 likesAnd the taskbar
0 likes@@half-qilin they slowly remove it, their market is enterprise they don't want something broken for the sake of the new app, hell even 90s app still can be opened using latest windows. even on linux server they use older kernel unlike their desktop counterparts that usually like the leading edge path.
0 likesTbh I prefer the new settings app but control panel wasn’t bad at all
2 likes@@automatedinsanity i want to compile arm32 apps for windows build 15035, how?
1 likeMicrosoft wont even help me because they literally have no SDKs and they hate 32bit.
"If it compiles, it's done. If it doesn't compile, compile it for Windows 11, and if it still doesn't compile, compile it for the XBOX. If it still doesn't compile, it's a broken insider dev build."
they thought windows 8 wont work but they got bad reviews because dell didnt know the OS very well and just made the hardware, and the laptop I'm using right now originally came with windows 8, and it does not even have a touchscreen!
0 likes@@RandomGuy37 They will slowly remove it. I've seen that now when you click on Devices and Printers in Control Panel it opens Settings.
1 likeI mean, new settings app is good but I just wish it had some resemblance with Control Panel. If Microsoft does not want to remove the Control Panel, at least give it a correct dark mode so it could be consistent throughout the operating system and this is where I think Linux excels in like their theming is so consistent that you cannot even find a small rough edge on it like the new Ubuntu 22.04 LTS or the new GNOME desktop etc...
8 likesIf Microsoft wants to make Windows 11 great, they need to get those inconsistencies fixed fast otherwise Windows 11 would become a failure like Windows 8 and 8.1...
I still wish they gave us a Control Panel ported to the new UI instead of that poor imitation of a phone's settings app they came up with. It's one of the major roadblocks that stop me from going past Windows 8.1, and I don't even use that version often. Windows 7 and a bunch of older or otherwise compatible software are all I need for my computing needs tbh.
6 likes@@RandomGuy37 and also settings it's more like a mobile thing and doesn't look right in a desktop environment like Windows
4 likesit would be good if they re-added the functionality of the control panel, for example i prefer the system proprieties in control.exe (control panel) or stuff like the "default program" settings i thing it was better when it was in the control panel.
5 likesMicrosoft: If it compiles, it’s done
8 likesif that was their motto we'd still be using windows xp
6 likes@@RandomGuy37 I sort of understand why they’ve left Control Panel in, as some apps might call it to do certain tasks (hell even the UWP Settings app calls it to the uninstall applications menu, shows how lazy Microsoft is)
29 likesBut either go all the way in deleting it and redirect Control Panel requests to UWP Settings, or don’t cripple the old Control Panel at all.
Honestly I would much rather use Control Panel than the Settings app. Control Panel just felt much more capable back in the day. Nowadays we've been basically forced to use the Settings app, but still Microsoft hasn't removed the Control Panel.
50 likesEven though I still prefer Control Panel, in my opinion it would be better to just kill it off completely than leave it to the OS as a broken cripple.
And also Default App didn’t work.
35 likesRetrocompatibility is good. But I think the problem is that Microsoft's idea of retrocompatibility is just building the new version on top of the old one and then hide it. That means every new version is more bloated and you end running way too much unnecessary code that slows the system.
144 likesAlso, Windows 11 doesn't add anything that users want, it's just "features" that Microsoft (and other enterprises) wants to have tighter control of the userbase.
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That's why windows 11 takes up 64 GB on initial install. Windows sandbox's windows 11 image only takes up 3 GB, and that might be including the compatibility. Think of it without the compatibility.
23 likesWhen you press Alt+F4 on the desktop (not in a program), it brings up the Windows 2000 shutdown dialogue.
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Also desktop is the windows 3.1 program manager.
0 likesThat's why you get the shutdown dialog when you press alt+f4 on it
Hi
0 likesThats the way I turn off my pc
0 likeshuh
0 likesWe know
0 likesI use this xd😊
0 likesinteresting
0 likes@@TorutheRedFox it is still an fullscreen window
0 likes@@Thomario20 logonui gets special treatment though
1 like@@TorutheRedFoxeven the logonui is a fullscreen window, even the please wait and the shutdown interrupted, aswell as ctrl+alt+del
1 likeIt's nice to see you here, WoOS!
0 likes@@World_of_OSes he doesnt give imformation
0 likes@@Galaxy.Windows Why?
0 likesI've alredy used the alt-f4 shutdown dialogue, and i agree with World of OSes, that it is a restyled windows 2000
0 likesHey world of oses
0 likesWtf wht u doin here
0 likes@@ThatRandomToast Go away
0 likesI use it lol
0 likesWtf wht u doin here
3 likes@@TorutheRedFox 🔫 always has been
21 likes@@unavailable292 it's literally all Windows
17 likes@@TorutheRedFox so maybe that's why the OS is named "Windows" /s
24 likes@@ThatRandomToast because the taskbar is a window
43 likespretty much every win32 UI element is (even a stupid button, albeit those things are a child to another window), even if a lot of those things don't have window frames or anything that indicates them being a window, but under the hood, they are
That also works by clicking any blank space on the taskbar (it will treat the taskbar as an "active window"), then pressing Alt+F4.
18 likesThat's amazing how deep backward compatibility goes in modern-day Windows and I knew you would mention the File Manager (9x) and Command Prompt (MS-DOS) remnants. Even old dialog isn't changed which can be confusing. Microsoft needs to step it up.
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@@gairisiuil Not disregarding that at all. When I was a child lots of computers still shipped with DOS and many grew up with Commodore Amiga as well.
0 likes@@Michael-Archonaeus this man completely disregarding that tons of home computers still ship with windows and kids grow up with that too
1 likeMac: 2 years?! You can't use that!!!
2 likesWindows: oh, 1996? This runs perfectly.
@Yvng remixer Why would that suck?
0 likes@SomeRandomGuy Microsoft tried to change a lot of the Windows backend with Vista, but a lot of users got mad that some things like drivers just didn't work anymore.
8 likesIt'd be more amazing if everything followed the same design language
1 likeI think it's actually too late for Microsoft, unless they make an entirely new OS built on a new kernel.
1 likeI have no faith that most kids today will use Windows when they grow up. Kids today are used to BSD (macOS, iPad OS and iOS) and Linux (Chrome OS, Android and Steam OS).
When I was a kid, we used Windows 95 in school, but I don't see any schools using Windows anymore. They're all using Macbooks, Chromebooks, and iPads, only some of the older teachers still use Windows.
@SomeRandomGuy I'm not saying that's a good thing but at least it works
4 likesI mean, to be fair, if it works and isn't some super-integral part of Windows 11, then I guess they don't really have to change it
30 likesRemember, Windows currently is built on the NT "New Technology" kernel, which was created back in the early 90s to replace the aging DOS-based system that existed. The first version,
130 likesWindows NT 3.1, was basically Windows 3.1 but with a completely different subsystem. It's unsurprising that a few leftovers from this point still partially exist.
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@@satinfoilplays7830 I mean you're not practically wrong. Usually, The NT-based OSes would be for businesses because they needed more power, while DOS-based ones could be run on weaker/cheaper hardware and were for consumers.
8 likesXP was the first version not to have a consumer/business divide, it was one single version for both sides, and at this point the DOS-based architecture was becoming vastly more outdated every year so it was necessary to ditch it.
@@bomberman4046 I disagree. people are still able to look inside windows, as microsoft can, if they try hard enough. Its pretty easy if you just look hard enough and learn.
4 likesPeople CAN pretend, but there are people who are legit.
And Microsoft even tells you that windows XP is nt based when you install it, and it wouldn't make sense for them to go back to MS-DOS.
Try to look harder before assuming stuff like that and telling someone their wrong.
Also, seem* (not plural)
Then when windows XP came out, they made it full NT
0 likes(Correct me if I'm wrong, but) XP was the first version to not have an MS-DOS based version. Even windows 2000 had windows ME.
@@invalid_user_handle You can't know what's going on, on the code side, and plus, if something works and can't be done otherwise, and has decades of testing already done, you don't touch that. The whole video focus on graphical incoherences and un-updated looks of stuff that still works, ok that. But people here seems to pretend a complete uneccesary rewrite of something that doesn't need to.
5 likes@@arround1 True, but many of those usually have had more thorough rewrites. Windows on the other-hand is more like a layer-cake instead. At the least they could revamp all the old UI remnants...
27 likesSo what? Almost all modern kernels (NT, BSD, Darwin (macOS), Linux etc) take back to the late 1980s - early 1990s
3 likesThe entire goal of Windows is to be as backwards compatible with previous releases as possible. To Micro$oft's credit, they managed to do this pretty well. Device drivers from Windows 2000 theoretically work on 11 (except for video and hardware accelerated sound drivers). Software for Windows XP works fine on 10 most of the time. In comparison, trying to compile and run old applications on Linux is a mess of dependency hell, and precompiled binaries from previous versions of Linux only sometimes work. The advantage of this is that Linux is a much more modern operating system in general. As for macOS, it just drops support for and breaks things from a few years ago without warning. And again, MacOS is more modern than Windows in general (cough cough bash 3.2).
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The thing that makes it easier on Linux is chroots, and containers. As fast as a VM (or faster usually), and allowing you to run pretty much any Distro, allowing different Glibc versions, different GCC versions, different Coreutils versions, and so on.
0 likesOne time I installed a program from a CD designed to run on Windows 98 and it installed with almost no issues on Windows 10. By far one of the most incredible examples of backwards compatibility I've ever seen.
2 likesman censored microsoft
0 likesBut windows 2000 pro is 32bit and windows 11 is 64bit only. So the drivers wouldn’t work.
1 likeJust because Windows can be backwards compatible doesn't mean that the applications should look & be old.
0 likesOn Linux, when distributing software you should always compile statically or use a more standalone format like appimages. Source code needs to be recompiled
2 likesThis makes me wanna switch to Linux but I can’t for certain reasons
0 likes@@arround1 because they don't keep the backwards compatibility. Microsoft focuses change on the parts that they prioritize for the release and keep the rest mostly unchanged. If a feature wasn't prioritized for years or even decades it may remain largely the same. MacOS or linux desktops would've simply removed it, like you don't see Gnome developers maintaining everything from gnome2 on gnome3
0 likes@@arround1 because Microsoft doesn't care and is terribly mismanaged
2 likes@@_GhostMinerBut why do macOS and Linux also support modern features and don't have such consistency and bloatware issues? It's as if Microsoft just give up about Windows development and mainly only relied on backwards compatibility
2 likesTechnically they just modify and add stuff to the latest released version when making a new release
0 likesYou can't use 32-bit applications on modern Mac OS.
0 likesmacOS using zsh now instead of bash
1 likeIt's not really a problem nowadays with virtualization being equal in speed to native programs
1 like@@DistrosProjects came to say this but it does allow you to make a sort of time capsule for old software. Windows doesn't have an equivalent for this but it's rare to run into software that doesn't run on windows unless it's from the dos days
2 likes@@JessicaFEREM the problem with appimages is the lack of proper desktop integration and the fact that they are portable and can’t be “installed” traditionally. Flatpak is a much better solution, but has its problems (mainly Qt applications, GTK2 applications, and file management). And snaps are even worse, with slow start times, worse theming, and worse permissions.
4 likeslinux is getting better with backwards compatibility with things like appimages.
4 likesit's basically a file that has everything that the program needs to run in a container, but guessing you already know that.
@@raandomplayer8589 So true! Seriously, if everyone could just agree to use Flatpak, that would make nearly every Linux users' day.
10 likesIntroducing.. flatpak!
8 likesBackwards, and forward compatible!
If the dev actually support it(they don't)!
Well yeah, backwards compatibility is really great, that's true. However I think it wouldn't hurt Microsoft to update the look of some of those older apps and tools. Windows has looked very inconsistent in terms of style for years now. It's even worse now with Win 11 so far. Hope they will fix it as the updates roll out.
4 likesYeah, but at least try an update all the ui the same way for windows 11
3 likes@IMakeVideosHere I mean that's basically what I meant. betas are another name for developmental/test builds.
15 likes@IMakeVideosHere I mean it's a test build so you can expect that
23 likesAs a Mac user, not being able to use Wine for its 32-bit dependencies is kind of a bummer.
17 likesAs a Linux user myself, 90% agree. Almost all external APIs are actually fairly stable, and the dependency mess tends to be a general problem, not just with Linux (although it is more of a hassle on Linux)
69 likesBut, old executables and drivers are a backwards compatibility nightmare. It's almost easier to download the Windows binary and run it through WINE, since at least they have to support the backwards compatibility stuff Windows has.
9:47 I definitely wouldn't say the modern Notepad is carried over from 98, but rather from older NT versions. Win 95/98 Notepad could only open files up to 64k in size, while NT was only limited by memory. Plus, NT understood Unicode and Alternative Data Streams, while 9x never did.
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Yes The Notepad Is Moderny Styles
0 likesAnd finally, notepad got updated again. The update is downloadable from the MS Store (Only for W11)
0 likesThey recently (1-2 years ago) added proper newline symbol support, that makes a massive difference in usability as well.
8 likesIt's still just a slight update to an ancient app. Which is fine if the app works, but it barely does so.
It’s likely NT 4.0, which is basically equivalent to Windows 9x for Windows NT.
6 likesWhile watching both videos my reaction for the most part was "who should anyone even care?"
96 likesBut there are some things that make some sense if you realize who actually is Microsoft targeting with Windows.
Microsoft didn't care for consumers for decades now, what they care about are businesses! Why? Because they're paying a lot more that any consumer would. Some companies are still paying top dollar to keep Windows 7 alive!
Why there are icons from windows 1 or even that "offline web pages" folder still in windows 11? Because some "Obsolete Corp." could rely on a program that would literally crash if you remove it.
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@@SubtotalAnt8185NOBODY FUCKING REMOVES WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER!!!!
0 likes@@hmwndp i think you meant zune music and not groove music.
0 likesyou know, the app accompanying the mp3 player microsoft released once?
it even still uses that name in it's package name, and the orange highlights, since windows 8 i think.
@@SubtotalAnt8185 By "Media Player" I meant the Windows 11 one.
0 likes@@hmwndp no, it's still there, and I'm taking about the new windows 11 media player
0 likes@@SubtotalAnt8185 "skinned VLC media player named "Media player"" Media Player is just renamed Groove Music, not anything to do with VLC...
5 likesYes true, but they also broke the zune software in the windows 10 anniversary update!
2 likesThey are also thinking about removing the wonderful feature-rich Windows Media Player with a skinned VLC media player named "Media player"
@@mikoajkubik8204 so, you're suggesting that they should make a Windows, that would make lots of money from businesses, and version of windows that would make a lot less money from consumers?
6 likesI wonder which version would get axed first
Then, why don't just release a standalone version of Windows which would focus on keeping compatibility, something like win 10 LTSC release. I expected windows 10 x to be something brand new, legacy free version for modern computers but they canceled it...
17 likesFun fact: In Windows Server 2016 (and probably all other versions of Windows Server since then), if you dive deep enough into the Group Policy Editor, you can find an interface which is completely unchanged from Windows XP. It looks exactly like an XP control panel window.
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in some windows 10 versions it uses the classsic theme from windows 9x
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0 likesand tbh, I'm so tired of MMC in general being so old. I wish they at least added a dark mode for it. My eyes are killed by mmc
2 likesit's the same GUI even on WS 2022. It's called control panel settings, I worked a lot on this recently and it felt like a time machine 🤣
6 likesYou don't even need to go deep to find it
10 likesamazing video! still cant believe that there are MS-DOS icons in Windows 11 lol
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@@Psychopatz The MS-DOS icons were for shortcuts to DOS programs from within Windows in versions 2.0-3.11.
2 likes@@basedSkeleton lol, I almost shit my pants when reading it lol. I don't even know how a command line based os has an icon
0 likes9:45 Technically, Notepad is old, but I honestly don't think it should be updated. Maybe some minor additions like adjusting tab size and maybe color schemes (not syntax highlighting), but the more stuff you add the more bloated it becomes. It's a "large sizeable editbox," it isn't and shouldn't be fancy.
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Also, fix the undo-redo functions, then it'll be fine.
1 likeI'd make it be able to save unicode stuff
0 likesAuto save would be great
0 likes@@malwaretestingfan it has that. It's only limited by system memory.
1 likeI'd add support for large files, if anything.
1 like@ huh must've missed it then
2 likes@@TorutheRedFox Notepad got support for LF line endings quite a few years ago, actually.
4 likesand support for different line endings so you can just open an LF formatted text file without issue
3 likesI know having such old components on a modern OS doesn't make it better or secure, even worse... But those MS-DOS/3.1 icons gave me so much nostalgia.
27 likes8:11 the read-only feature is still useful for annoying applications that overwrite files with what they think should be there, read only forces that file to stay the same
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but then there's this dumb thing programs do is create a ".lock" file and they don't even need to!
1 likeReminds me how Half Life: Alyx uses the Source 2 engine, which is the sequel to the Source engine, which is the sequel to the GoldSrc engine, which was a Quake engine modification. So, in theory, there might still be leftovers from the first Quake deep within Alyx’s files.
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If I’m right, they did leave a legacy Quake font in GoldSrc.
1 likethey still have half life 1 texture on the source engine
4 likesThere's an actual example of that. IIRC in Alyx there's some flickering lights, they follow the exact same pattern as the torches in Quake. I guess no-one ever felt it needed to be changed.
27 likesAlso I remember in the first part it wasn't mentioned, but in the Media folder, Windows 7 sounds folders are still here (Garden, Heritage, etc.), even if the sounds themselves are gone since Windows 8.
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@@Kiki79250CoC I have the startup sound enabled on my Win10 laptop... it does take me back to the old days of 7/Vista
0 likes@@kyokazuto Windows 11 changed the boot sound, and on 8/10 it's just because both use the Windows 7 startup sound as their startup sound.
4 likesAlso, if you enable it you get the windows 7 startup sound, at least in 8 and 10, maybe even in 11?
1 likeOne thing you missed is that in Windows Fax and Scan there's a custom cover sheet designer that has been untouched since Windows 95
20 likesWindows 11 still has dialer included... Like I believe it was introduced in Windows 98. Anyways, you can access it by pressing Windows Key + R to open run and by writing dialer in the dialogue box and pressing enter or clicking run... Notice how its colors are off and its fonts on the individual numbers which are not matching to the Windows 11s Segoe UI Variable...
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@@DogsRNice makes sense, I see everyone play games and just disconnect for no reason and they use Windows 11
0 likesPeople still use dialup so it makes sense
0 likesWasn't dialer in windows 95?
4 likesdid people forget about windows 95?
i also believe it was a utility for windows 3.1
An honorable other leftover from Windows 2000 is the "userpasswords2" CPL applet. It's the exact same window without any changes since 2000.
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Add User wizard is different
1 likeNotepad and Paint (mentioned in the last video) have actually already been updated to look a bit more modern; not sure why you don't have them.
93 likesThey're also working on a visual refresh for the Task Manager.
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my windows 11 cant update to 22h2 because it dosent meeet the requirements and im currently on 21h2@KSGD1111
0 likes@@kijeenki fancy windows 11 style ui
0 likes@@aweirdoschannel how’s the new notepad different?
0 likes@@a7linked I'm sure... my friends have installed Windows 11 too and they have the new Notepad.
0 likes@@kociaparowka1 but i already installed the latest versions, like- i said 100 times that i checked from the fucking ms store
0 likes@@a7linked it is possible just update them from the Microsoft store that's it
0 likes@@ThatRandomToast my battery died.
0 likesI forgot my charger at home
And I traveled to an another town, I will be back after like 3 days
I will try that when im home again.
@@ThatRandomToast ok ill try that
0 likes@@ThatRandomToast Bulgaria
0 likes@@a7linked Which country or region is your settings set to?
1 like@@a7linked Bro my normal windows 11 system also have new notepad and mspaint but before I was on beta channel then moved to normal bcoz beta and dev got same after some time
0 likes@@ThatRandomToast yep, checked multiple times for updates (store and system)
0 likesNothing new
Edit: i got a defender and a maps update but nothing else
@@nopenope728 i use pro too
0 likes@@a7linked In build 22000.318 (the build currently hosting on the Microsoft site) I can get Notepad, Paint, and Calculator versions 11.2203.10.0, 11.2203.2.0, and 11.2203.1.0. Did you go to the correct page in Microsoft Store?
0 likes@@a7linked werid.. I'm on 21H2 build 22000.613 and i have the new notepad and paint, maybe it 's because i'm using the pro version?
0 likes@@ThatRandomToast it says 22000.652
1 likeI also looked it up in Microsoft's site and this is the latest non insider build
@@a7linked Power it on (or what happened?) and open winver
0 likes@@ThatRandomToast my laptop isnt on, but i know that im using 21h2 build 22000.6xx
1 likeIts also the latest non insider build
@@a7linked What build are you using? Press Win+R, type "winver", then Enter.
0 likes@@ThatRandomToast i updated all my apps in msstore but notepad and paint remained the same
0 likes@@aweirdoschannel you sure? Thats impossible...
0 likes@@a7linked You don't need to be in Windows Insider Program to get the new version of Notepad and Paint. Just go to Microsoft Store and update them.
4 likes@@a7linked Both Notepad and MSPaint are updated for me and I don't use an insider build.
8 likesCus u have insider build, thing that no one should have on their main system
4 likesAnd if notepad and others are updated on your main system
Reinstall NOW
BEFORE ITS TOO LATE
@@ThatRandomToast Yeah
1 likeOlder versions of Notepad and Paint is still included on clean installs
16 likesIn dev and beta task managernlooks kind of ok but boring also
1 likeim glad they added those.
1 likeWhat you didn't show was the power-off dialog box that appears if you press Alt+F4 while on the Desktop with no windows open.
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when no windows are focused not open
0 likes@@Lampe2020 That's just an intentional design thing. It's not really what I'd call a "remnant" exactly. The idea itself is a remnant but I'll bet the implementation is not. It was likely reimplemented each time they made a major update because, well, it's just an option that's part of what you expect out of a Windows titlebar. Does anyone really use it? I don't know, but hey, if you get the muscle memory, no point in taking it away. Each time they make an update to the titlebar they either say "Ah yeah, we should keep the double-click thing on the icon, that's pretty standard to have" or they realize from looking at the code "Ah yeah, let's make sure that double-click on the icon still works, it's a neat little thing to have around still"
0 likes@@QuantumScratcher
2 likesIt works only if there's the application's icon in the title bar. If it's not, it doesn't work.
(because you can't doubleclick the icon, obviously)
@@Lampe2020 only works for win32 apps
2 likes@@ARandomOSDever
2 likesI think so too!
*chuckling*
@@Lampe2020 Bruh M$ forgot about that
4 likes@@satinfoilplays7830
8 likesAnd that's also old ;)
Did you know that you can Win3-style close a window in Win10? (double-clicking the app icon in the top left corner of the window)
Ikr? I think it was a thing since windows 1.0's "do you want to end this session" text, but it was changed to how it is now since windows 95.
7 likesGo to the Run box, and type iexpress. That program is straight out of Windows 2000 (ZERO changes!) and looked outdated even then (times new roman title, old fashioned buttons, broken cleartype, etc)
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@@Lu9_ST I thought so too, until I checked Wikipedia.
0 likesI believe that is even older than 2000, likely 95/98
0 likes9:00 -- Not exactly. These screensavers were last updated in Windows Vista, then they removed a couple Vista-branded in Win7 and that's it. In 2017 they even officially discontinued them (lol) but it's still left in the system. I still have a screensaver on my computer, it's a modernized version of XP's space screensaver and it's really dope to see)
49 likesAlso fun fact: on macOS screensavers are still supported and updated, likely purely for aesthetic purposes.
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@@scythal depends on the complexity
1 likefor example, xp's logon screensaver is just a black borderless window covering the whole screen with another borderless window with a bitmap painted on it that moves to a random position every 9 seconds
@@TorutheRedFox I honestly wonder how one even makes a screensaver
0 likes@@scythal it's not hard to make screensavers
0 likesthey're just regular EXEs with specific launch arguments (to trigger the preview, settings dialog, etc) and a .scr extension
Minecraft actually released a screensaver program not too long ago - it does actually work!
3 likesstill use xp's logon screensaver despite running it on newer versions of Windows
0 likesthat's what we desperately need from microsoft but won't get anytime soon
24 likesmacOS screensavers are beautiful
11 likesVery interesting how leftovers of all older Windows versions have made their way into Windows 10/11, even programs used in day-to-day use! Sadly, this makes the design and overall user experience of the operating system inconsistent.
15 likes8:46 love that kliksphilip reference
5 likesIn the latest Insider Preview builds of Windows 11, there are a lot of things updated actually. I would say about 8 to 10 remnants were updated. As I'm running those builds, LogonUI was updated, there's are new volume/brightness sliders, new accessibility menu both in LogonUI and OOBE, new tray icon container, new customization options, more settings ported from the Control Panel to Settings, and much more.
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The fact they still didn't move everything to Windows Settings pisses me off... They at the very least could remove the control panel explorer links and UI itself, and open corersponding pages that haven't been ported (I think there are only a very few of them? Most of unported stuff are independent .CPLs, half of them are already linked in modern Settings; and as for 3d-party .CPLs, they could've been hooked and displayed in a separate page, like in an "Other" category which only shows up if system detects any)
0 likesWhile I can understand being annoyed of Windows 11 being sold (most of the time) as a brand new product, that has always been their philosophy and i'm not sure I want them to change it. With each OS built upon the older one, the transition has always been easy and we have to deal with less backwards compatibility issues. And that in itself isn't perfect (just look at videogames) but I still rather this than dealing with an all-new uncompatible OS each time. Slowly upgrading and changing things bit by bit it's something I'm okay with
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Yes, although having disadvantages, it has been always been easier to upgrade to an OS that have the same codebase as the other ones. Less compatibility issues and developers are more aware and they have knowledge about what codebase Windows is in. It's just that as time went by, consistency of Windows just went downhill since XP. It would have been ok for Microsoft to update the legacy applications like Microsoft Management Console but they never did. Instead they just packed up the NT codebase with more apps and features as time went by without even clearing anything that won't be necessary anymore.
3 likesMicrosoft took "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." to the next level.
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Lol “Even if it’s broke don’t fix it”
2 likesThe dialog that comes up when you press alt+f4 on the desktop is also a remnant of windows 2000 / ME
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@@ThatRandomToast Your name needs to be "ThatRandomSystemToastIcon"
0 likesWindows 2000
0 likes2:34 that is the most quiet printer i've ever seen
2 likesI really hope your videos about Windows 11's inconsistency go viral. Maybe it's the only way that will actually push Microsoft to make a complete UI overhaul, even if it takes a year or two to do so.
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Microsoft should just let people make themes and not patch them
0 likesIn the stripped-down version of Windows Sandbox, the disk space it uses in the virtual disk is less than 3 GB.
3 likesWHY WOULD THEY MAKE THE MINIMUM 64 GB?
I just don't get it, you don't need any apps installed at all. All you need is Edge, Explorer, and WMPlayer, and that's it. Oh yeah you also need notepad.
resource monitor was updated with like vista or 7, there's still the older version of perfmon in mmc snapin, that one is as old as nt4, and many snap ins are, not 2k
18 likesalso uac settings dialog was introduced with win7. alt+f4 on explorer is as old as NT newshell too. dont forget the 16 bits subsystem and fullscreen command prompt (if you have a driver that supports it) Dont forget activedesktop! about screensavers: their last update was windows 7! and they were introduced with vista. the previous set in xp was a mixture of xp and 2k, then there's the old nt and 9x ones we've known to love, also xp starter had two exclusive screensavers
Attributes is a DOS thing
There also is a very unknown program called Math Input Panel (Program Files\Common Files\microsoft shared\ink\mip.exe). It uses the Windows 7 style and i have no idea what this is useful for. Also when you close the window the actual process doesn't stop, and again, i have no idea how to stop it "the intented way"
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Close it from the tray.
0 likes@@mpf1947 Yeah i watched a video and now i understand. It just doesn't work with windows 10+ anymore. I tried pasting the equation into mincrosoft word and OpenOffice and nothing happened, although word knew that something was in the clipboard (paste button was clickable)
0 likesIt's for inserting properly formatted equations into documents, because typing a complex equation with proper formatting is nearly impossible.
0 likesAnd as for the process never terminating, Calculator does the same thing.
I think this is less Microsoft neglecting old features, but rather continuously supporting them on modern systems. I’m grateful for it, because it lets me use modern hardware and software with ancient accessories, useful in business applications. And windows is a business operating system.
3 likesI honestly hope they keep the remnants that are still visually correct (like the 98 ones, the nt one, ect, because that's just really cool and is basically just a callback to the older times.
6 likes.bat is also an MSDOS remnant.
11 likesBat files are labeled as "MS-DOS batch file" in Windows XP.
.cmd (Windows NT command script) is supposed to be the newer replacement, but it's almost never used because bat still exists.
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.Bat was revamped to use the NT Kernel's API, so technically the format was changed.
1 likeBut, most of the built-in API did not change.
@@TorutheRedFox No, some variables need two percent signs in batch files, but in .CMD files they only need one.
0 likes@@whamer100 No, .CMD files run like you type them in a command prompt.
0 likesother commands that are speficially for batch files, such as REM, can also be typed directly into cmd and they'll do their thing
1 like@@_GhostMiner there's no difference between bat and cmd as they all just run commands, all of which are present in CMD regardless of whether you use a bat script, or a cmd script
1 likehell, you can just directly type '@echo off' into cmd and it'll work (and '@echo on' to bring it back)
@@whamer100 i think it's in the command syntax
0 likesis there even a difference between bat and cmd, other than just the name
0 likes.bat is mostly a need
0 likesCmd apps works with BATCH
Windows 11 is pretty much just a bunch of code taped together in the hope it won't die on them, somehow by whatever miracle they managed to ship an operating system that didn't instantly completely break
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Everything from the early NT days was built to last, and that turned on Microsoft when at some point they realised taking the remnants out was very hard due to them being hardcoded into the system
0 likesthey do one years worth of testing, basically stapling these metal bricks of code together. They couldn't do it, so they just made windows 10 worse and called it a day.
2 likes6:45 Thank you for the nostalgia.
1 likeWow, I thought at 12:45 the fox icon was a trick of you, but I looked in my W11 and it's really there
When you run Windows Media Player there is a theme that was made for windows xp and it's functional on win 10
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@@blastbottles actuallly, the newest build of groove isn't that bad. i have a bunch of SiIvaGunner albums in flac and groove no longer stutters while switching the song.
0 likes@@blastbottles The sync feature... And they plan to remove that in the future.
0 likes@@Eduar6996 ye groove is just a lag hell but somehow wmp is 100x faster yet has more features
1 like@@rainemusic And I think it's still better than whatever Microsoft tried to bundle as the new WMP (at least in 10, Groove was so crippled in features that wmp was more compelling to use).
5 likesTbf wmp hasn't really been touched since windows 7 anyways 😂
6 likesWindows media player themes now that is a throwback
1 likewindows has so many legacy things in it, it starts look like an interactive museum
2 likesThe HTML Help program (Which happens to be accessible from the ODBC Data Source directory picker) has a copyright date from 2002, meaning it was last updated probably from Windows 2000/XP.
7 likesFor me, when i was in Visual Studio, whenever it froze the window borders would change to the ones that were from Windows Vista Basic.
3 likes8:05 There are also two Properties windows - one when you right click a file on an NTFS drive, and one when you right click a file on a FAT drive (this uses Tahoma instead of MS Sans Serif)
5 likesPeople at Microsoft definitely follows this programming rule, "If it ain't broke, then dont fix it"
8 likesidk, i quite like it when i stumble across an old thing in windows, like the win xp login dialog, fills me with nostalgia
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Where is the old login dialog? Or do you mean the credentials prompt in Task Scheduler?
0 likesSame here.
0 likesDon’t know was it mentioned here by someone or no, but UAC window here is actually from Windows 7, because in Vista there was only two options — off and on, while in Win7 and later it has 4.
8 likesI think the "Contacts" folder had something to do with Windows CardSpace. I vaguely remember playing with CardSpace on a Windows Vista desktop in the 2000s. I think it would store the cards in this folder. Kind of like a half-assed modern take on Cardfile?
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Also I cried a little when I saw that Vista profile image. Also might be linked to msn, remember that chat thingy?
1 likeOne thing you missed is that in the C:\Windows\Media folder you can still find 3 midi files left over from 2000
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They have been theres since Windows 3.1. I read somewhere that Microsoft keeps them there so that engineers can test to see that sound drivers work.
0 likesTo be honest those Win2000 designs are better than Win11 ones
8 likes11:45 funny fact, the first option is in Portuguese: “driver da Microsoft para arquivos texto” is “Microsoft driver for text files”. Seems like on just that second there are multiple Portuguese named drivers.
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@@heart_locket2 No its in my windows too, its an oversight
0 likesEnderman, você é russo ou português?
0 likesThere's also another old Windows leftover and it's pretty easy to find. If you try to name a folder or a file with an illegal symbol (? / \ : " | < >) a message bubble from Windows XP appears.
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I thought that was windows 2000...
0 likesAlso I found a leftover of Windows XP on the Windows Media Player, you need to set it on Group Policy Editor. But I forgot to do that, it will make the Windows Media Player uses Windows XP's Media Player theme instead the Windows 7 theme.
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You don't need to edit the group policy to use a Windows Media Player skin. You can right-click the top bar of the WMP, then select View > Skin chooser, then choose "Corporate", then select Apply.
2 likesFun fact: Splatoon 2's netcode has an unused function to check if the game is running on Windows 98.
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LOL
0 likesbtw, if u turn on high contrast mode, the rounded corners will work perfectly, idk wats making rounded corners such a pain on the normal look
4 likesIn fact, hovering over the X window system controls, the descriptions are yellowed since Windows 95. Also, I consider these properties boxes to kind of 'blend in' with the Windows 11 design, because the check marks and buttons have been updated. Even considering that, there are way more textures inherited from old versions of Windows than there should be
6 likeswell,if you go by some of this video's logic,even the icons on the desktop might be considered a remnant,maybe the entire operating system in a way,but that does not mean that some things are straight up funny that they still look and operate the same way as lets say 20 years ago or even more. I always noticed old windows remnants myself in windows 11 and I'm glad someone made a video about it ! It was a very cool watch ! I don't really agree with some things you consider remnants,for example the disk cleanup,that's just a feature and it serves its purpose today as it did when it was introduced and aesthetic wise,it doesn't look dated or bloated or just overall not fitting with the current look of windows,it's just a neutral look,like other tools this video highlighted. But again,some things definitely need an overhaul and others should just be straight up removed since they are very obsolete
6 likesIt isn't built into windows, but the visual studio winforms designer still uses the old windows 7 classic theme and it looks so outdated.
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Thats because sub windows cant use dwm, and since those suckers didint make a fallback theme and decided, lets just keep win vista basic as a fallback, no one will notice, then that theme appears.
7 likes0:50 oh my god I remember messing with contacts in vista when I was a kid at around 2009 at least, I can’t believe the folder for it still exists in newer versions of windows. It is so old holy hell.
1 like1:12 How good the part where you put a music of Geometry Dash
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2 likesUsing kliksphilip dad music, what a wise choise.
Take my like!
These relics are...just incredible. Thanks, MS.
5 likesThere's actually another Windows 10 remnant. Open Control Panel then change it's path to the computer(or normal File Explorer) to make File Explorer go "This is Windows 10's File Explorer, what do you need to find?"
1 likeI hope they never update the ODBC directory picker. Is already an archaeological treasure.
4 likesThis is a certified windows classic
8 likesThis proves Microsoft is too lazy to work on a actual release starting fresh and clean, and being so lazy they keep apps untouched since they are a part of the system but they figured out "eh nobody's going to use that so well leave it there" and only care about "everyday" unnecessary UWP apps that they figure out it's the only thing they want to focus on, and other aspects is saying they optimized Windows but in reality, it's faster but with the extra shit code it just leaves the thing just as optimized as a previous OS. Microsoft should get up from its seats and showcase really something innovative and game-changing. Not that i hate these old untouched leftovers, but if you'd replace them with something new, and in my opinion, optimized, they would be just fine, but if not just remove it. Like these leftovers would be considered bloat since MS will continue adding stuff to W11, and with these apps unused, it would fill up space, and that's what im saying by truly optimizing Windows. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
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@@seven7000_ ...and that was because of Vista's overhaul of both visible and under-the-hood features which gave it increased hardware requirements as well as broke a lot of compatibility with existing programs.
1 like@@scythal let me prove you wrong in a sentence: manufacturers didnt have drivers for vista.
0 likes@@seven7000_ They tried something like that with Windows Vista... everyone flipped their shit and called it the worst version ever
1 like@@seven7000_ Why would Microsoft start from scratch? It makes no sense. Might as well base it on Linux then, and lose compatibility with lots of drivers and programs...
8 likes@@seven7000_ The os WILL definitely still have bloat because Microsoft wants to get you into their ecosystem.
4 likes@@tapafon_red If they took at least the time to get a compatible kernel with new stuff from scratch then it would work out without sacrificing support, and most importantly, if they got the chance app developers and game companies could adapt to a new kernel they can try to start clean; and possibly have a huge update for W11, presenting huge optimization for basically everything, no bloat, no features left behind, all squeaky and shining without having to base around a older version every time.
2 likesThey actually attempted - Win10X. But every attempt makes Windows incompatible with WIN32 software and hardware, which makes it useless for most people.
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2 likesEnderman: Yup, that's going on the fridge!
03:44 Well, I actually use "Character Map" daily for getting characters via the "Arial Unicode MS" font, because that font has literally everything in it. 😊
18 likes06:26 Well, sadly they broke one more feature of the desktop: animated gif images just show their first frame and not moving anymore ‒ gif images was playing correctly back in XP. 😞
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@@tflsh Oh, that's kinda sad ‒ technically it become "passive desktop". 😑
1 likeAnd what about the "Windows Photo Viewer"?? GIF images not moving there either.
They removed the Active Desktop feature which handles GIF wallpapers. Active Desktop allowed you to kinda have IE as a wallpaper, and IE supported viewing animated GIF’s.
1 like@@SubtotalAnt8185 I meant, the "Windows Photo Viewer" software, gif images are no longer playing in it! I know, the "Photos" app (since Win10) plays them correctly, but this isn't what I meant.
1 like@@zsombor_99 They still play in the UWP and non-UWP "Photos" app.
0 likes@@TorutheRedFox Oh, and gif images are not moving anymore in the Windows Photo Viewer either! 😶 Good freakin' evolution... 👎
2 likeswallpapers are now handled by explorer itself
6 likesThat fox wallpaper looks cool!
1 likeHonestly, it's not bad that programs are old, if they're functioning, I mean, even if you had to work on it, except for removing the old compatibilities and refreshing the style, the base program doesn't change. The whole Linux is based on this concept too, take Vim, a text editor, like notepad, going strong since 1991, and there's still some madlads that recommend it to this day. Reinventing the wheel isn't wrong, but selling it as "Whiil™, new edition, the wheel so good you won't ever want to look at peasants wheel" is indeed wrong and deceitful.
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The problem is security and potentially performance too. Imagine modern components stacked on top of old one, which is single threaded and can only use 640k RAM. One day som smart hacker makes an exploit of it and it makes whole OS go kaput. It's definitely not great, not to mention that MS still often fails to make bacwards compatibility truly functional and some are forced to stay on old Windows versions anyway.
2 likes4:27 I jumped from my seat, as if I've seen a ghost
2 likesAnother leftover I can think of is the "Windows Defender Firewall has blocked some features of this app". It has been slightly changed over the years, "program" switched to "app" in Windows 8 and the "defender" being added in Windows 10 as well as the gradient and icon being changed in Windows 11. But overall, it's just a dialog from Vista.
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I saw this yesterday lol
0 likesI briefly saw a Windows XP animation when I was installing an INF the other day. Latest insider build, lol.
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Wait the INF file "Installation Success" message, when was that from again?
0 likesTruly one of the operating systems of all time.
5 likesI like the Charmap, i used it in some of these "RP maps" which have YOU decide your custom country on even a custom map, it was fun. I used charmap for my names when some of the letters weren't avaliable in my keyboard setting. Good old times...
2 likesAlso enderman, there is one more thing in windows 11 from vista. The app icons… which are not set by the application have the ‘unknown’ vista icon with green color with aero.
3 likesWindows 10 still uses the Windows 7 Startup Recovery menu if your PC manages to crash itself enough times, I managed to make it reappear on accident when I was trying to diagnose whether or not my PC had a bad PSU or bad RAM. Eventually me and my dad figured out that my RAM sticks just managed to get loose somehow which was what was causing the random crashes.
2 likesI miss Windows 7, best OS that wasn't a Linux distro if you ask me
"If we forgot about it then it's not that important"
4 likesIt:
2:11 locale file dialog shows a star for favourites that is from Windows XP
1 likeI wonder if there is a way to force windows to use the win vista style dwm without crashing the graphics drivers
4 likesbut yet they haven't bothered to bring back Purble Place or 3D Pinball Space Cadet (ik you can download them or copy them from another computer running the older OS)
2 likes3:20 If this was a video about Windows 10, I'd expect a mention of the Windows Vista/7 startup sound, but this is Windows 11...
4 likes12:40 Oh, I look forward to that! Windows is a mess of random old assets, and words, if their random usage of "program" despite "app" becoming the new term for executables counts. "Program Files", "ProgramData", Properties > Compatibility mentioning programs multiple times, even NEW OPTIONS there that say that, and of course the Run dialog in this video.
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I myself like to think of apps from the internet as programs and apps from the Microsoft store as apps
1 likethings like Program FIles, ProgramData, etc. can't be changed because of existing applications expecting those names to be as such
1 likePart of me wishes I could see something similar for Ubuntu or Debian. These Linux distributions have relatively long histories, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some minor splash from Ubuntu 4.10 left in Ubuntu 22.10 (and possibly 23.04 soon)
2 likesI'm just glad that Windows 11 still has grpconv.exe so if I ever need to directly upgrade from Windows 3.1 all my icons in Program Manager can be retained in the newer start menu so I can still easily access my 16-bit applications....... Wait a minute. No version of windows 11 can run 16 bit apps...... Wait a minute. The Windows Start Menu no longer has a compatible directory structure....
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Unfortunately 64 bit CPUs can only operate in 64/32 bit mode or 32/16 bit mode, 32 bit versions of Windows (even 10) can run 16 bit software
0 likesYoo what gg on 250k subs I’ve been here since 40k!
1 like13:22 You'd be right - on Legacy, it is still possible to use the Windows Vista boot screen in 11, though I'm pretty sure it's a slightly different boot argument than noguiboot.
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and the Vista boot screen is just a reskin of XP's (they just changed the resources like they do with winver)
0 likeshell, you can get XP's boot screen back in Vista and later by just replacing the bitmaps in ntoskrnl.exe with XP's, and then jumping through the hoops to get it to trust itself (you have to sign it wih a test driver certificate or smth like that)
bcdedit /set bootmenupolicy legacy
0 likeshonestly im not surprised that they would actually do this
2 likesThis is a big reason why I switched to Linux. I think it's absurd how Windows still contains code from the previous century.
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@@GoogleDoesEvil this u
0 likeshttps://youtu.be/aGQp_5855nA
You can also switch to ReactOS.
2 likes(just wait until 64 bit comes out)
Windows 11: can I copy your guys homework?
1 likeWindows vista, xp and 2000: sure don’t make it too oblivous
Windows 11 homework:
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@@GamerBoy705_yt Ik but just for the vid
0 likesWell you think that this only applies to Windows 11? The same applies to Windows 10 and older operating systems.
0 likesRed Star OS has more consistency.
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BRUH
0 likesMicrosoft should learn how to add spyware without bloating their OS up
I like the older design language more because it feels like I’m not using a simplified version of a program for phones or tablets but just a program designed for PC only.
1 like2:00 I'll kill Microsoft if they touch the MMC.. I love that tool currently, and I really hope that they don't try to force their modern UI into it.. (also, probably every sysadmin will kill them as well, if they dare to touch the MMC)
4 likesFun Fact: last time I tried Word (word 2019 iirc) it still had tooltips screenshots from XP, on the home ribbon too.
1 likeAh yes, comic sans subscribe screensaver xD!
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Haha 420 comic sans so funny!!!
0 likesAnd the most biggest remnant from Windows 95 is, The Desktop!, since 27 years, it was the same
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lol that was true...
0 likesuntil windows 8.
Watching this on Debian 11.
4 likesYeah windows has problems like this, when I used windows, this never really got on my nerves, in fact, I knew it was there, I just never cared.
When I moved to linux, it was so much more consistent. Going back to windows felt like battling a chimera from mother 3 or an amalgamate from undertale. Windows is a mess.
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Tbh I also like the fast design of lxde too.
0 likes@@SubtotalAnt8185 I use XFCE, try that.
0 likesI like Linux, but I could never find the best desktop manager.
0 likesThe sound panel and property windows are a perfect example of "If ain't broke, don't fix it"
1 likeAt this point I wouldn't be surprised if the next Win 11 update brought back some shit from Win 3.x down to Win 1 instead of patching out the old unnecessary stuff.
3 likesDisk Management also has that ancient dialog letting you change colors/patterns for displayed types of disks. I wonder who ever used that window?
2 likesyou gotta stop using geometry dash music in these videos man I gotta mute it every time it hurts my ears
3 likespersonally i like seeing stuff like this, i remember using a windows 10 in the past and seeing the stuff that remained unchanged from windows 7 felt pretty nostalgic, though it did also feel like i was just using a windows 7 with windows 10 painted over it lol
2 likesCommand Prompt is a remain of MS-DOS that always gotten updated if you think about it
1 likeThere's some Souvenirs from the Past (Windows 7/Vista/XP/2000/98/95).
1 likeHonestly drive letters are also an MS-DOS remnant...which itself is a CP/M remnant...which itself is a CP/CMS remnant...but those last 2 were technically just inspiration as they aren't MS operating systems.
2 likesI love MS-DOS icons more than whatever icons now
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But the resolution was 16x16.
0 likesI maybe wrong but i think the alt+fr shutdown prompt is also a very old remenant. And hey man! Keep up the good work hope you got a good sleep after staying up that late.
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Alt+F4 on the desktop*
1 likeOn the screen savers thing, I actually copy and paste the old OpenGL screen savers from Windows 2000 into my Windows 10 machines so I can have the old and arguably better screen savers on my machines again.
1 likethe notepad significantly changed from Windows 10 to 11, new feature to select lines from the border, new find and replace prompts in new style and redesigned prompts
1 likeThe 2 MS-DOS DLLs are actually Windows 3.1 because they show the iconic Windows 3.1 DOS logo. Remember when you minimized the MS-DOS app? Well the first image in the DLL is that icon.
1 likeFun fact: if you take the .EXE for shutdown Out of windows 3.1, and execute it in ntvdm, it will shutdown.
2 likes9:35 they actually removed the old icon in win 7 they readded it in 10/11
1 likei have smth interesting. i play minecraft, right? and when i upgraded to windows 11 on my laptop, the game would jsut randomly freeze (only graphically, when i was playing on servers and i pressed the wasd keys people could still see me moving). then, when i tried to take the game out of full screen, the UI from an older (idk which windows) showed up, very XP looking, because i used 7 and vista and it was not them. idk why but i think the UI underlying code is still in there
2 likesNew branch was created on the OS repository in Microsoft's Azure DevOps "remove_legacy_features" after this video
1 likeshell32.dll still contents an windows 7(or vista, idk), windows xp and windows 9x icons :3 imageres.dll contents some windows 10 icons and windows 7 yet(or vista again, idk) :3
1 likeThere is a feature that close window when you doubleclick top left corner of any window. I heard it is remanent of first version of Windows.
1 like8:06 SD Cards also have a physical lock.
0 likes8:16 I have a Window XP screen saver on my Window 11 computer.
2:40
1 likeAh yes, the good old laserjet 1010
I feel like Windows Vista is a major foundation for modern windows versions today. It introduced the similar Windows Setup style that is still used today, to user accounts/UAC, control panel layout, foundation of the file explorer style we have today, windows update built directly into windows, transparency effects, etc. Without it, Windows would be very different today.
0 likesUnable to set folder/file name to CON... Even winNT isn't based on ms-dos....
1 likeicon dlls are legit windows nfts
2 likesLast FULLY redesigned Windows is MS-DOS?
1 likeHow "busy" Microsoft is?
I love this kinda thing! Really harkens back to the history of one of the most complex pieces of software used all the time. Most of the outdated UI is hiding in parts of the OS that are either supported for backwards compatibility, or things intended only for use by system admins or power users. Frankly, we're lucky to have user friendly UI for those at all, let alone up to date UI. Fax is still used by many businesses, but I can totally forgive MS for not going out of their way to update it past Vista. And the 3.x era bits are just wholesome, I hope they never go.
0 likesNotepad's been updated in windows 11 and supports dark theme too
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Also task manager. Although I like the new dark theme, I believe Task Manager has taken a downgrade in terms of being formal. It looks like a Mac, which is absurd. Windows 11 looks like a Mac.
0 likesAlso, this is dumb: Microsoft kept areo glass transparency even though the feature was removed.
In Word 2016 (don't know about later versions), if you hover on something, I don't really remember what exactly but it's on the top, it would show an image from Windows XP.
0 likes0:15 death corridor music goes hard
0 likesNotepad was updated 2 months ago to be a UWP application.
1 likeWhat also is funny is the dialer.exe program which is also unchanged since the Windows 9x days und still works, if you got an old telephone connected to windows. :D
1 likeAnother left over: Windows startup sound. If you activate it in the sounds menu, it plays the Windows 7 sound, so it is a leftover.
0 likesi really like the intro sound
1 likeGreat vid! I would love to see a part 3 someday.
1 likeThe most noticeable remnants and oldest are the caption buttons tooltips (like close, minimize, maximize) still has yellow background since 1995
2 likesAnd for the rare case is "update personalized settings" window, the window appear when you updating windows feature update or ms edge with black entire background and it existed since windows 95
But that's remnants existed for win 10, idk windows 11 that remnants still existed or not
I love all you videos keep up the good work!
2 likesif you hold down alt and enter in cmd (don't use Legacy mode), it should flash between full screen and windowed. During that period, you should see a Windows Basic themed window of that. If you set a program's compatability to Windows XP, that app will run in Windows Basic too.
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Basicthemer2 shows that basic theme is in windows 8-11
0 likesOr in any consoles based on Microsoft Management Console (such as Device Manager), press Ctrl+F5.
1 likeTechnically the Run dialog is a leftover, but it is the most beloved thing to me, especially when I switched to Linux because couldn't stand non-compact view in Explorer (in Windows 10 Insider, by the way). That's how I launch Chrome all the time on school PCs
1 like1:34 That's been there since Windows 2000 (or XP, I forget), just the visual styles changed it
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@@ThatRandomToast The "test" button was changed in Vista or 7, I'm not sure which
0 likesWindows XP
0 likesI think there was a folder texture from Windows 3.X that was kept until some version of Windows (I think 10). I think only the folders that started with HKEY had this texture. I'm not sure. I know barely anything special about Windows, but these videos are somehow fun to watch.
0 likesWay to enable Windows vista fallback boot screen: type bcdedit -set {default} graphicsmodedisabled yes in cmd, and than restart
2 likesThe last OS microsoft completely made was windows 1.0
1 likeeverything from then (except xp) is just the remake of the last version.
The reason theres so many remnants of older versions of Windows in current versions is due to Microsoft ongoing promise of backwards compatibility. Instead of simply replacing an object in the OS with an updated version, an updated version is added and key files in the Windows folder are simply updated to deal with the new variant. In the minor case where someone still wants to/has to deal with older deprecated software, having this system in place allows for this to occur with (in theory) less fuss and applications dont just break. Not always the case and problems still occur. I mean its Windows for crying out loud.
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well update the gui and keep the backwards compatibility,after all,its more of a kernel thing
0 likes6:36 classic enderman moment
0 likes"It will do for now"
2 likes20 years later...
Bro I heard Code Red and instantly thought of an impossible GD level
1 likeAh, I see Security Alert every time I boot up FSX. Microsoft also neglects FSX in favor of FS2020.
1 like8:32 wow love the choice of tune
0 likesThe winver application lost its icon in windows 8.
2 likesI love that you use gd music in your videos :)
1 likewell for properties window borrowed from Dave, the one who wrote WindowsNT task manager and still used until windows 7 said
1 like"If it wasnt broke dont fix it, if it works dont change it", though that window was the most effortless moderinisation considering we already have explorer dark mode since win10 1709 if i recalls correctly
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File Explorer dark mode since Windows 10 version 1809
0 likes0:13 That’s real music!
2 likesbro I swear to god one time I installed some drivers for my new headset made by Romanians and they had the Windows 3.1 setup wizard looking thing with the background and everything 💀
1 likefor those wondering, the headset was made in like 2021 or something and they were gaming headphones.
3:08 i like how it synced
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wait how did it comment here this is some bug
0 likes10:34 For microsoft, Interenet means Ms Edge
0 likesif you run powershell and type Add-Computer the window will show from xp
1 likeOhh yeah "the Synchobonk" one of my favorites from my one of favorites youtuber's dad :) So nostalgic....
0 likes2:36 I had the exact same printer model!
0 likesMicrosoft installed multiple windows in a single frame on your house. Now i get it.
1 likethat was a good old video featuring some good old windows versions with good old music
0 likesJust a quick note, Notepad was actually updated in Windows 11. It's now a UWP app. And somehow it's still as reliable as it was before.
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The older version is still included in clean installs.
0 likesYou missed a secret in office: every version since Xp came out had an xp preview when you hover over applet buttons
1 likeMicrosoft, remove the Control Panel if you have Settings.
1 likeNotepad actually have been updated since Win9x. Win2000 added proper Unicode support, and sometime during the Win10 era they also added support for Unix-style line endings.
0 likesSometimes when I enter a program in full screen (alt + enter, f11 won't do this) I see a glimpse of windows 7 basic theme.
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yeah that happened alot with osu!
1 likeYou forgot doctor watson from 9X
1 likeIts still in the system32 now days
(also write.exe in the windows dir which uses the old icon)
dial-up app is my favourite
1 likeit's Okay "Enderman" IStill Love These Old Feature From Previous Wibdows OS 9x, Vista And 7!!
0 likes3:54 i remember charactwr map from windows 7 or xp
0 likes8:36 i dont think anyone noticed but, the music hes using here is made by 3kliksphilip's dad and this music is also featured in philip's CS:GO Music kit, his dad really makes good 80's and 90's styled songs and i love it. you should use them more often they are amazing. personally i love atomic amnesia but thats made by philip himself. i also love Crossing those islands which is made by both 3kliksphilip's dad and himself.
0 likesAnother remnant is that you can still get the Vista progress bar bootscreen (which is just an XP boot screen but only Microsoft copyright). You just need to set graphicsmodedisabled on BCD or bootup Windows on legacy BIOS (or CSM) with a monitor that has a resolution that is lower than 1024x768. The bootscreen will show itself in 640x480. So maybe try it with an old monitor, or an old netbook if you have one lying around since the screens on those were usually 1024x600.
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@@SubtotalAnt8185 my main machine has Windows 10 LTSC + Fedora Linux
0 likesEven Windows 7 is too much for that little netbook so I installed Void Linux on it
@@SubtotalAnt8185 I don't mean it in a design perspective. Just that the boot screen for the Vista fallback and the XP pretty much has the same code.
0 likes@@nurullahaksay its 2022, i think its time for windows 10!
0 likesWhat! The boot screen from XP and Vista looks totally different!
0 likesWindows XP has the XP logo. Vista does not.
Windows 7 always falls back to old screen on my netbook and it's 1024x600
1 likeMeanwhile in the Windows Subway:
0 likes"3.1, you've been called up."
"Oh my god, I haven't been called up for decades!"
"..."
"That is all I have been called for? Just a measly prompt window? That sucks, I'm outta here!"
Screensavers are one of the things that are forced to NOT DELETE because it's a part of Microsoft, no os since 2000 will not have a screensaver.
0 likesI saw the remnants of Windows XP straight from the Task Scheduler before, and this involved the privilege dialog to run the task!
0 likesanother one in microsoft edge is if you enter a "unsafe" website in IE mode,such as if ur on a school desktop and do that,the lock on the warning is an old remenant from something,idk version and os,but itsrare to see
0 likesthat transition to the intro was slick!
0 likesFun fact my whole family (me included) still uses windows fax and scan. It’s a good and easy to use program!
1 likeFun fact - Dr.Phonics - Code Red is a impossible or possible GD (Geometry Dash) level.
0 likesI found one - when installation fails on windeploy stage - there is still the Aero style lol
0 likesheyy the kliksphillip song was a nice surprise! <3
0 likesThey take "backwards compatibility" into a whole new level
0 likesI was downloading an FTDI driver for my ESP32 and the install drivers window actually still looked like Windows XP in Windows 11 in 2024
0 likesthis guy would be the best computer class teacher ever.
1 likeWindows 11: New "deisgn"
2 likesFun fact: there is Dr.Watson in Windows XP straight from Windows 3.0
0 likes1:43 UAC isn't a leftover, it's a feature.
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Lol Enderman wants the whole Windows 11 to be deleted, no matter if it had at least one useful feature
0 likesListening to the music set you have added i remember all ur 3 yr old vids 😀
0 likesEnderman is exposing Microsoft
1 likeimagine if there is win1 leftovers
1 likethat's gonna be halarious
Ive goten the vista fallback startup to happen many times like for example if you have ventoy on a usb then put windows 11 install disk image in the usb not through flashing but just copying the iso then when you boot off of it do ctrl w to enter winboot mode then pick the file and done
1 likeimagine how small the windows 11 iso could be if all this old garbage was cleared up, we could have windows 11 DVDs again
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512MB
0 likesThe real windows sandbox disk size is 3GB.
I remember talking with my dad about this video where you exposed Microsoft and he said that Notepad is techinacally a remain from Windows 3.1 but that it was just slightly polished up in Windows 98
0 likesnaww they're not being lazy, they're just intentionally putting nostalgic features
1 likethe computer virus iceberg i need it
1 likeWow, windows is very backwards compatible. That is why macromedia flash 5 still works as of windows 11
1 like"Let's continue with the Lithuanian chicken."
0 likesI am severely offended.
You forgot to mention that the default cursor itself is a remnant from Vista
1 likeThey did uodate microsoft paint and noteoad notepad has a dark backgroubd now and paint new icons it still sucks though
1 likeI think control userpasswords2 is directly from Windows 2000.
2 likesthere's one really old thing still exist, if you click twice on the icon in windows header, window will close
0 likesSuggestion: Do a cool experiment,Try To install VMware tools before setting up windows,When installing windows,When that crappy OOBE starts up,Click on vm and click on install VMware tools and do shift + f10 to open cmd,On cmd,Type in D: and Press enter,Then type setup.exe and press enter
0 likesAs a broadcast technican on a radio station, i'm happy that the old sound panel still exist, because it's easier to handle instead the modern trash UI.
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For real. I always have a hard time fixing my microphone settings with that modern looking UI they made. Maybe they should just redesign it, but don't change everything. That's a real pain for us who's always tweaking and tweaking everything
0 likesfun fact I have that EXACT same printer
1 likeDid you know that windows 11 still has the aero theme but it won’t let you use it
0 likesi used to watch u back in my prime tech
0 likesThey took "if it's work, dont touch it" seriously
0 likesNotepad has been updated since this video, now it even has tabs, a seperate settings window, a new icon, and is overall more modernized.
0 likesWhat about the Alt+F4 shutdown dialogue?
1 like3:46 if it aint broke dont fix it
0 likesi found a cool one, press alt when you're on the explorer window, the "help" menu is windows 7 styled
0 likesI got a old inf screen while I was installing a fusion io drive. Thought it was interesting at the time.
0 likesWell some of the inconsistencies also exist in Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8.x and Windows 10 so that isn't really a thing to complain about
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And literally I feel that digging inside Windows 11 takes me from 1991 to today
1 likeCongrats on the 250k 🎉🎉👏👏
0 likesIt's ironic nitpicking windows' outdated stuff with a youtube video that plays loud royalty free techno over text.
0 likesI was expecting the 3.x remnant to be the fact that you can close windows by double clicking the top left corner of them
0 likesThe task scheduler is giving me ptsd from trying to do anything in that piece of shit. What a layout
0 likesWhen you drag and drop explorer.exe into 7-Zip, extract into a folders, go to .rsrc > ICON, you will find Windows 95 to Vista icons (only some of them, some of them are still Windows 10 icon ) (I am using Windows 10 so I don't know much)
0 likesIf you close everything so you are at the desktop screen, click on the desktop area without icons to be sure, press ALT+F4 and you get the classic Vista era shutdown selection dialogue with drop-down menu.
0 likesif you force windows to install standard vga drivers and you have an x86 system, you can run MS-DOS games. no kidding even with the kernel change in windows 2000/xp it is possible. tried that once in windows 7
0 likesPhone dialer is also still in windows 11 and I think it was introduced in win3.1 correct me if I’m wrong
0 likesDoes windows 2022 really suck?
1 likeWhat about IE? Or did they finally remove that in W11? Also I think disk cleaner was already in 95 even, and disk defrag likewise.
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I downloaded Roblox studio from 2009 and tried to search something and it opened internet explorer and it's fully functional, apart from the fact that once you pin it to the taskbar if you try to open it from there it just opens Microsoft edge, so no, they didn't fully remove it!
2 likesWindows 11 is Windows 10, which is Windows 8.1, which is Windows 8, which is Windows 7, which is Windows Vista, which is Windows XP, which is Windows 2000, which is Windows 98, which is Windows 95
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which is Windows 3.1 which is Windows 3.0 which is Windows 2.0 which is Windows 1.0
1 likeIf you put icons as an ms dos remnants then you should put in all the windows 7 Xp and I think 3.1 icons into the video
0 likespifmgr.dll and moricons.dll. Damn that takes me back.
0 likesYou can use the old trick still. Replace setch.exe with starttaskmgr.exe
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*cmd.exe
0 likescmd can do more
Great video enderman! 👍
0 likesuhhh there is no card OR link in the description for the previous video?
0 likes00:33 I LOVE YOU DUDE XDDDDDDDDDD
0 likesI could describe Windows as a huge russian doll, with too many layers from different decades.
0 likesThank God that you can install modern Windows on old computers. Theoretically you can install windows 10/11 on XP era computers even that are slowly as a snail. Is recommended to use windows 7 computers or with DDR3 memory, with few upgrades. You can renovate your device and use it for a couple of years more.
0 likessuch a good video enderman!
0 likeswhat music do you use for the intro? @Enderman
1 likeThanks for the video!
0 likesI like though some of those stuff, like icons. For some guys it could be like nostalgic or even cool these days ;P
Speaking about that Internet Properties dialog you showed off, if you were to click the question mark button, you would get IE to open in Windows 11.
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that works.
0 likesAnother way to open IE:
0 likes(New-Object -ComObject InternetExplorer.Application).Visible=1
Windows is like an onion, it has layers.
1 like2:10 Bro we've got windows 10 file explorer logo and the oldest favorites icon ive ever seen
0 likesIn Windows 10, Opening the "Offline Web pages" folder, the Windows 98 Bar remains... I don't know why.
0 likesI think you forgot one, I guess? If you make an error script with VBS, using any error type (error, info, warning), they still use Windows 7's icon. I have just explored this, so I don't know really anything about it.
0 likesHonestly embarrassing for a multi-billion dollar company like Microsoft. Can't believe they have remains of Windows OSes and even DOS.
1 likeSeems like if you install Windows 11, you get all of them!
0 likesI still use a screensaver for the times when im gaming on my OLED tv to keep it from burning out the pixels
0 likesI showed my mom how to use windows fax just because windows printing function is buggy as hell and the drivers came with expired verry bad software
1 likelove the 3kliksphillip music, always adds so much to a video like this
0 likesYou can actually invoke the old xp style cred prompt from PowerShell by running Get-Credential.
0 likes8:08 i always wondered wtf that was
0 likesits sohilarios that microsoft can develop top-tier spyware but they cannot clean up their os
0 likesMy PC has a Windows XP remnant: Office 2007! It’s tooltips are Windows XP styled!
0 likesFun fact: For the screensavers, the process is absolutely abominable:
0 likesIn Vista, they changed the selection as usual.
In 7, they removed some and left it at that.
Further, they neglected the entire thing, only removing the beautiful transparency in Bubbles!
Hi enderman pls test windows security against malware
1 likeIt’s good that those tools are still there, especially the predefined MMC consoles and mmc.exe itself, because all the fancy and modern interfaces simply do not allow admins to properly configure, maintain, and troubleshoot the system.
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@@Aura_Mancer The problem is: Everything regarding configuration they updated ended up worse than before (i.e. in Windows 7). They should leave the tools as they are.
1 likeI have no problem with user-facing configuration interfaces are designed to look good. Admin-facing interfaces don’t need to look good or modern, they need to provide all necessary information and options in a quick and easy way.
What they should do is update them. We're used to MS being "either I leave it or I delete it" but what we should demand is updated admin tools that work better.
1 likeYou know how they say, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it"
0 likeshonestly I'm surprised regedit wasn't mentioned as either 95 or 3.1.
0 likesThanks for the video!
1 likewith all these comments pointing out more stuff, this might even turn into series
0 likesif you do want to really get that windows xp credentials dialog, you can spawn one using the win32 api
0 likesthe file prompt at 2:10 is from windows xp
0 likes0:35 i like this reference.. chicken in lithuanian is višta if you don't include the little arrow but i think vista is also chicken in latvian
0 likesWhat is the name of the last song?
1 likeDamn! Never knew this. Windows 11 is really garbage now that I think about it. Just thinking about why I even upgraded
2 likesWe have the same printer!
1 likeSo Microsoft just was bits and pieces of Windows glued together nowadays
0 likes4:52 Just a correction. It's task scheduler
0 likesnotepad now has updated
0 likesliterally only dark mode
and tabs
ik this is crazy but there's an app called "file explorer" and it's a windows application that's been there since windows 95!!!! microsoft has run out of original ideas!!!!!!!😡😡
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What should File Explorer be then?
0 likes"Lithuanian chicken" 😆
1 likeI remember when I had Windows Vista I randomly found the Contacts folder and I was confused lol.
0 likesNEWGROUNDS SONG NEWGROUNDS SONG, also geometry dash song for death corridor
0 likesThe command prompt is another remnant that is still left unchanged. The conhost.exe ui was changed but cmd.exe remained pretty much the same. (Try launching the windows XP cmd.exe on Windows 11 and it still works)
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cmd isn't unchanged, Microsoft made some changes to it
0 likesWindows Vista's Powershell Script Editor.
0 likesyep screensavers are even in Windows 10 looking the same way
0 likesAs a GD player, the first background song you played gave me… flashbacks?
0 likesMicrosoft is a certified hoarder
1 likeYou can find the website with "download tomorrow" button?
0 likes(i have problem with using "a" & "the" in english)
You can find the website with "download tomorrow" button?
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You can find the website with "download tomorrow" button?
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You can find the website with "download tomorrow" button?
0 likes(i have problem with using "a" & "the" in english)
7:51 prop is there since 95 even
0 likesokay the first song confirms that you're using common geometry dash songs
0 likeswindows 11 is just highly modded windows 3.1 NT
1 likeWelp, notepad.exe got remaked in windows 11 and they added a lot of cool missing features
0 likes0:38 What do you mean?
1 likeYou should try and get the windows 11 to look and possibly function like any other previous windows version
0 likesThats amazing i put a bfb reference on the top chat
0 likesok now know your intro sound name but please give me the download link so it is,(Landscaping-Windows96) V1
0 likesat 1:36 am i right?
Found this video on my non-signed in PC.
0 likesMicrosoft in 2050: can we fix it? No, it's f*cked
0 likes7:50 they didnt even bother to make the properties menu in the new "files" app
0 likesThat was quite interesting. I had known some of these ancient things still existed, but not that many! Why Microsoft, why?
0 likesM$ can just spend more time and money to make Windows 11 (somewhat) more consistent in design while maintaining the backwards compatibility instead of making it looks good on the front (UWP apps, MS Edge, the "new" taskbar (it's just an overlay, the Win10 taskbar is still inside, you can make it to show by changing the registries)) and still keeping the design clash in the inside (Win10 styled UWP apps, Metro style from Win8, Win32 programs....)
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Windows 11 is bad. It looks like a mac.
0 likesFact: Over half the compatibility used in 3rd-party programs that they kept actually is broken, because one slight change of API breaks compatibility layer on top of compatibility layer. This is why the zune software broke.
I download the process hacker and its perfect! Oh and i really like this intro.
0 likes3:54 but andrew why God with small g
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but why Andrew with small a
0 likesOld secrets, old songs, I love it
0 likes4:58 This is a direct C R E D UIPromptForCredentials API call.
0 likesI guess there is the secret to making a blazingly fast application (like Notepad) - just make it for Windows 9x and port over
0 likesIt is decided! I'm switching to a Mac! Thanks, Enderman!
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@@automatedinsanity As a Windows user, I get confused every time Linux users try to recommend which distro is the best for people wanting to make a switch... what would be the best right off the bat, because people are not that technologically inclined!
0 likes@Watcher I used a lot of distros in my lifetime, my first Linux was mandriva 2005, so sorry if I recommend a harder Linux distro, I probably should have just recommended fedora out of the gate.
0 likes@Watcher Artix is stable on my pc
0 likes@Watcher Manjaro and fedora is good too
0 likes@@automatedinsanity Well, you have a point or two there.
0 likesSwitch to Linux, it’s free and it’s better then buying a 1000 dollar mac and there are many distributions out there, I recommend Artix Linux with the cinnamon desktop or kde plasma desktop
1 likerun a 32 bit program
3 likesThe properties window has changed a little (i think). If i was correct,in Win 7 i was able to tick a box which made the app i viewed the properties of,automatically run in administrator. I don't see that feature anymore in windows 10. Is it back on 11?
0 likesHello Enderman, I have some questions about your website, so I used sometimes and in February, the website had shutdown because of the things happening in Russia but now the website is back, so I went to check the Adobe programs but there was only 3 programs, the After Effects 2022, Premiere Pro 2022 and Photoshop 2022. what happened to the others? Like the Photoshop 2020/2021 or After Effects 2020/2021? I use Windows 7 so it's a bit difficult to find Adobe products that works with (If my english is bad, it's because i only know a bit of, i'm from Brazil), also, great video!
0 likesYou forget the remaning of Vista when you drag and drop a file for the explorer with the old Aero square. (I just check is now a grey ugly square).
0 likesAnd the XP mouse cursor when you insert a disk, and more (actually some has been fix with w11)
How do you get the windows 10 style taskbar in the windows 11?
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Start11
0 likesbasically windows corpses pretty much
0 likesI’m not sure if this one counts but the command prompt executable name (cmd.exe) goes back to OS/2 1.0 (1987) since windows NT is based on OS/2
0 likesMicrosoft: if it works fine why bother?
0 likescharacter map........ thats from 3.x
1 likelol enderman named vista as lithuanian chicken, incase y'all are wondering, vista ( lithuanian : višta ) is chicken in english.
0 likesDWWIN.EXE in System32 is Dr. Watson which was a debugger introduced during Windows 2000 which still exists today but I don't think it runs anymore. DXDIAG.EXE also still exists and that was introduced around 98/NT 4.0 I believe but it hasn't been changed much since.
0 likesWe need the old sound control panel in our radio station because the new win11 settings are very shitty
0 likesI would get pretty mad if they changed the MMC and even more mad if they removed the old sound control panel. The MMC is just good classic GUI design that does what it should and they old audio panel is sometimes the only way to fix some audio device selection chaos.
0 likesMicrosoft just needs to can windows vista's codebase and start over, of course not exactly like vista, but Microsoft needs to change something radical, down to the base.
1 likethe installer hasn't changed at all since windows 8 and most of the installer is still vista's age. there's no reason why they can't run a live boot environment like Linux or MacOS, and there's no reason why windows 11 is just glorified windows 10, which is glorified windows 8, etc.
windows has gotten too big with features literally nobody cares about, or could be disabled by default and downloaded on request.
actually, if Microsoft is going to a internet-only world, why not make the ISO as light as humanly possible to get the bare windows up and then download the rest. you can't even put Win11 on a DVD anymore unless it's a dual-layer disc.
Microsoft needs to seek out the windows modders and put them on the Microsoft team, and just allow them to hack and chop windows with little counseling.
or how about this?, allow their users to create custom themes that just work and require no hacks, imagine going to the Microsoft store downloading a theme(or appx) that completely changes how windows looks and Microsoft wanted that.
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"you can't even put Win11 on a DVD anymore unless it's a dual-layer disc."
0 likesYou still install Windows from discs nowadays?
That song from dead corridor⚡️⚡️
0 likesHi can i ask ,did you have discord server?
0 likesMicrosoft logic: ok, we tried hard enough making the old OSes, let's add the price and change 1-3 application per version? Everyone is silent
1 likeBruh that ba..
EITHER YOU AGREE OR REJECT THE WORK
Bruh that good
So, we need to make a new wasp, let's take 10 and change a few things. no one will notice I guess?
Ok seriously Microsoft. Windows is bloated already, and the completely unused 20 year old icons aren`t exactly helping. Like I`m not talking about applications, even old dialogue's and icon`s can be forgiven, but making a uniform gui is a must. It`s not even that hard. There are like, at least two solutions that I can come up with right now, that would allow you to make a uniform gui across your whole system.
0 likesI'm curious if MacOS has shit like this. Like leftovers from old versions of OSX, Mac OS 9.x, NeXT OS, etc
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I recall that in one of the APIs for macOS there was something that started with NS* (NextStep), which was the predecessor to OS X.
0 likesThe thing with Apple and this topic is that Apple does NOT care about software compatibility and actually remove A lot of old stuff from their OS to the point of actually being criticized about. See OpenGL and OpenCL support. See 32-bit compatibility. What happened to those? Deprecated and removed from the OS.
@@CyanTrigger nope not even that's here anymore.
0 likesIt's gone in big sur.
That eye and camera icon in Screenshot APP since NeXTSTEP, and changed at I think is 10.13?
0 likesNot that I've found! Even old unused ui elements in appkit were updated style wise. Apple did a really good job at updating everything
0 likesEven better. When you add an FTP folder in Windows Explorer in This PC, right click into its contents and press "Login as", You will notices windows 98 icons and a ugly user interface.
0 likesinternet explorer is a folder from 1994
0 likesstill exists in 2024
30 years!
why is *.pif listed tho, while *.lnk isn't?
0 likes4:23 I found it by installing a Mouse pointer. I thought I was some kind of skin I has installed
0 likesI wonder if you can find Windows 3.x, 2.x, 1.x or MS-DOS remnants?
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@@SOTP. Yeah, I spoke too soon
1 likeJust stay at the end of the video.
1 likeIsnt notepad from Windows 1?
0 likesAnd what about the 'tada.wav' sound from Windows 3 ?
Did you know that if you extract the resources of the themes in c:\windows\resources\themes (Including "Aero") you can find some Windows XP things, like the icon backgrounds that show if you were to go into the c: drive for the first time.
0 likes13:09 im getting a vista loading screen on my windows 7 system (with the proper graphics driver), it appeared since i used the sfc /scannow prompt
0 likesthe registry editor is another program from windows 95 i think
0 likesHey Enderman. I put password in laptop bios but forgot password. do you know bios password reset?
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Temporarily remove the CMOS battery for around 20 minutes. But this is hard on a laptop, you can even break it. You'd better off taking your laptop to a shop.
0 likes"Lithuanian chicken" i respect that whilst living in Lithuania
0 likesisnt there also the 98 tab switcher (when you end explorer.exe)?
0 likesG502, a man of culture indeed
0 likesIm telling you this, all of the songs are gonna be just Geometry Dash Extreme demon songs from this point on.
0 likesHonestly why in the world are task scheduler and task manager not one app?
0 likesI'm not sure about windows 11, although knowing microsoft that wouldn't surprise me, but on windows 10, when your display can't be set at a resolution 1024x768 or higher, you'll get Windows Vista style boot screen
0 likesIf you turn on Enable Startup Sound, you can get the win 7 startup sound.
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@@ThatRandomToast thx for letting me know
0 likesTill Windows 10
0 likesCan't remember if it was in either of the videos but I have a question when was the system info app from
0 likesif you need to put a character into your text you can press win+v and access characters just clicking on characters icon. Windows 11 only! λ
0 likesthe bug at 6:42 also happens in windows explorer
0 likespretty sure the Phone Dialer is still there
0 likesAnother windows 2000 remnant is the 10k bug.
0 likesno GUI boot? maybe that's from Windows NT 4.0, 3.51 and before
0 likesnever tried NT 3.5 and 3.1 myselfso i dunno
try enabling "VerboseObjectLoadMode" in your Windows Load of Boot Manager
one leftover from windows 2000 is the year 10k bug.
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@@ThatRandomToast yeah ik
0 likesA time formatting and storage bug in general
0 likesHOW COULD YOU FORGOT THE DIALER? Thats The Oldest Thing I Know In Windows!
1 likeDo not forget the windows installer same as windows 10
0 likes6:40 I can't reproduce this bug, he juste glitch on the drag and drop icon preview, and move it anyways entirely.
0 likesThere's 16 bit apps in some system folders
0 likesNice tutorial.... Very helpful
0 likesThere's one more, windows 2000, I saw it while i was booting up pvz (plants vs zombies)
0 likesYou should've printed Subscribe on that paper, it'll be a more unique way to do it!
0 likesWhat is the password for in the discripion?
0 likesYou can find the website with "download tomorrow" button?
0 likes(i have problem with using "a" & "the" in english)
UAC is actually good Imao
0 likeswindows 11 is just windows 10 but for the 2nd time this century
0 likesWindows Frankenstein Edition.
0 likesWhat is the music used in the intro?
1 likeI like it!
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@@ThatRandomToast thanks! 😁
0 likesWindows96 - Landscaping
1 likeyes i've always been curious, nice to see he made the intro longer so we can talk about it
0 likesWhy is this a BIG deal for Windows 11, but not earlier versions?
0 likesAre you a gd player Enderman because a part of your video contains gd level song, in this video the first song = DR. Phonics Code Red of the level Death Corridor
0 likesThe manual driver installation applet! Though they just SLIGHTLY updated it in Windows 11. In Windows 10 it still tried to select the drive A: by default and displayed an icon with a floppy disk. In Windows 11 they updated it so that it selects the drive D: by default and the icon has a CD instead of a floppy disk. Quite in time concerning how much used are optical drives nowadays...
0 likesI mean this one (sorry for the non-English language version): https://obrazki.elektroda.pl/7959092900_1655845724.png
Doesn't the classic "theme" that appears very rarely still exist or was that entirely replaced by Aero Basic?
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it still exists
0 likesFun fact: you can still get the Windows 98 computer icon in explorer.exe
0 likesIf you press on the initial Windows Setup OEM Startup : Control + Shift + F3 the pc will reboot and open a pre work enviorment. A OEM Company that I work with has told me that secret hack :D @Endeman
0 likesGreetings from Lithuania!
0 likesAh yes, Windows Višta. Good one! :D
0 likesbro's really play "concret da suspect"
0 likesThe sta(lema)te of windows (Pt2)
0 likes0:32 Sounds more like Latvian, because on lithuanian it will be "vištiena", but on latvian "vista"
0 likesi'aw move to windows 11 or stand on windows 10?
0 likesstill here xD
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same lol
1 like@Enderman just another one: iexpress ;)
1 likeNotepad is pretty funny, because it's a barely changed leftover from Windows 1.x
0 likesHave your forgot MRT? the "antivirus" from MS that's been around since XP, looks the same today but is still updated to this day. Although the Defender has actually been around for years and you could combine it... but it's probably too logical. I guess.
0 likesThe icons are actially NT 3.1 remnants.
0 likesLOL DEATH CORRIDOR SONG (gEOMETRY dASH?)
0 likessteventhedreamer, good taste
0 likesNotepad and paint were updated, you're using outdated versions :p
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Older versions of both as well as UWP apps are still included on clean installs (as of Windows 11 version 21H2)
0 likesOne that was missed is the volume mixer
0 likesStrange to think that a hundred dollar OS is so outdated and parts just dont work/fit in. Seems like open source OSses like Ubuntu and Fedora are finally catching up!
0 likesWait... Didn't Microsoft update notepad's design recently?
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Older versions of Notepad as well as many other apps are still included in clean installs (as of version 21H2). You can update these apps via Microsoft Store
0 likesI also realised that I have the same printer as enderman
0 likesThanks for daily! :)
0 likeslithuanian chicken?? I thought of the "russian nesting doll"!!!
0 likesI think there even is a Windows 1.0 leftover inside TwinUI.dll
0 likesI don't think we can call it a new version of Windows. I think it should be called "Windows 10+"
0 likesJust look at the math input panel
1 likegd death corridor music aproved
0 likesI have 3d pipes as my screensaver
0 likesThey updated Notepad and Paint in Windows 11 22H2 builds
0 likesI do that bug from 6:42 in Windows 7. It works.
0 likesDid you know newer versions of Win11 have UWP Notepad?
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You can update it via Microsoft Store.
0 likesThe music is a bit much...and the video is hard to follow along with when nobody’s explaining anything.
0 likesI copied all the screensavers from a Windows 98 machine to my Windows 10 pc in C:\windows\system32 folder. And every screensvaer from WIndows 98 works, for example the Windows labyrinth or the Flying Windows and much more. And yeah, try press the Winkey+R and the runbox appears, or if u are at the desktop and press alt+f4 the old classic shutdown box appears. :-)
0 likeswindows 9x remnant: ctrl+esc feature
0 likesif u right click the title bar it shows a windows from 3.x
0 likesi honestly thought that printer was a toaster
0 likesVista fallback will trigger if the maximum screen resolution is too low (below 1024x768)
0 likesWhy Lithuanian Chicken :D... btw I'm from Lithuania. Nice video.
0 likes9:50 Notepad has been updated on W11, dunno why you still have the old one ?
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The older version is still included in clean installs.
0 likesok i managed to remove your malware called "no escape" only by launching the program pulling the plug like 2 seconds after it says restarting it created all of the users desktop was full of junk but i could still login with my own password then i just manually removed all the users and desktop things (was done on actual hardware accidentally)
0 likesYou forgot Speech Recongition :)
0 likesYou forgot to mention dialer.exe. It hasn't gone through a single change since Windows 3.1
0 likesThe notepad app is updated now tho
0 likesthis is the reason why I switched to Mac.
0 likesWait hang on Notepad is a remnant of Windows 98? Notepad has been in Windows since bloody 1.0! Wordpad is essentially just Windows 1/3 Write but with a new name and new design. Its essentially part of the DNA of Windows. You could argue Run is a remnant of Windows 3 and 95 as well. To be honest I dont think Microsoft will bother with most of these programs although I might be wrong.
1 likefrickin epic dubstep
0 likeswhat about the math input panel
0 likesI have had a good laugh with these videos.
0 likeslike this 4.6k out of 10k also.
0 likesSometimes when my pc uses a lot of cpu and I close a Programm, the bar gets the windows 7 style
0 likesno escape in windows 11?
0 likes1:11 linux remnant xD
0 likesTHE FIRST SONG IS A GEOMETRY DASH SONG
0 likeswindows 11 as so many remnants from older versions that it couldve been better if they just kept updating windows xp or 7
0 likeswinver lost its icon in 8, not 10
0 likespart 2 in less than 3 dayzz
0 likesWhats the song name after intro music
0 likesHey endermanch I’m getting a laptop with Windows 11, what settings should I change.
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@@GERALD_786 hi, I tried Windows 10 on my laptop via a dual boot, I found it a bit slower. And I’m running NVMe storage on it.
0 likes@@Aryx_ to downgrade windows 10 you have to clean install it so backup all of your files that you need
1 like@@Aryx_ it's decent pc for windows 11 but I recommend you to do it if you don't want lag and high cpu or memory usage or inconsistencies
0 likes@@GERALD_786 also it’s running on 8GB of ram and 256GB SSD and Intel Core I3 10th Generation
0 likesOof ok but only problem is I already got it and installed all my programs
0 likesDowngrade to windows 10 or debloat it if you don't want to wait for 8 minutes or less
0 likesVista is chicken in Latvian not Lithuanian
1 likeLike a wise man said:
0 likesIf it works… don’t touch it!…
i have laserjet 1020 too
0 likesOh, and by the way, thank you for putting my favorite song "Synchobonk". It was my favorite before. The reason why I hated Microsoft is because of the remnants straight from Windows 98 all the way to Windows 10, in Windows 11!!! I can't believe we actually got used to it long ago! Curse Microsoft For This!!! And they didn't start with a clean slate and design it into a fully working modern system. Heck yeah, Fedora and all other Linux distros and some others including HaikuOS, KolibriOS and MenuetOS are about 5 to 25 times better than Windows 11! Maybe you had tried Linux before.
0 likesnice of the video
1 like"definitely use once a week" bold of u to assume that. Cuz i don't.
0 likesYou forgot the shutdown screen when you press alt f4 on the desktop
0 likesEnderman can you tell us how do you record the bios for actual pcs
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I assume it's an HDMI capture card.
0 likesI think you forgot the Alt + F4 menu.
0 likeshere in the stream!
0 likesCool
1 likeWhat about that good ol' BSOD?
0 likesThat has to be ancient!
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@@CreepyboomGamer It's still there.
0 likesI think they changed it in 8 or 10.
0 likesFUN FACT: UNINSTALLING MSPAINT AND INSTALLING IT AGAIN WILL GIVE YOU A UWP VERSION OF THE MSPAINT APP
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You could also go to Microsoft Store and update it.
0 likesEnderman, tall black guy.
0 likesHabdulla, short white guy.
PICK YOUR FIGHTER
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Enderman
0 likesdeath corridor song
0 likesthe notepad is a windows 3.0 remnant
0 likesEsto está bien, si funciona, no lo arregles.
0 likesLo lamentable es que no se dignaron a hacer un tema oscuro completo, con lo cual no se pierde compatibilidad ni funcionalidad, en el minuto 4:52 es evidente.
Character Map is from Windows 3 lol
0 likesDaily uploads!
0 likesCan you please enable Dark Mode in Notepad?
0 likesand, the windows setup is a windows 8 remnant
0 likesIf it ain't broken, don't change it. Except it is
0 likesNotepad changed, bc it supports dark mode and settings menu was changed in win 11
0 likesDo this but from Windows on ARM64
0 likesI still can't believe Microsoft hasn't changed the settings of everything completely like the control panel remains the same and a bug that if you put dark mode it won't change the control panel to dark and I hate it why does Microsoft have to act so dumb
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I quiet like the new settings of windows 11 it seems more modern and organized but subtotalant8185 you can't find anything in the settings because maybe you are not use to it you are use to the windows 10 settings
0 likesno dont say that control panel has completely changed and i dont like the new settings it looks bad and i cannot find anything.
0 likes(by changed i mean that most links redirect you to settings)
honestly im not even sure i want them to change these. a lot of updated things like settings over control panel are inferior.
0 likesexcept for the shit that can actually be improved on. like the task scheduler password dialog. and maybe some of the styling. but thats it. leave the core ux alone.
Windows 11's notepad is updated.
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The older version remains a part of clean installs.
0 likesNotepad HAS been updated with new controls though? Maybe this was filmed not so recently
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@@adaskalov Only once you launched Microsoft Store.
0 likes@@ThatRandomToast Hardly an issue as all apps update automatically from ms store the first time you connect to the internet.
0 likesOlder version is still included on clean installs.
0 likesyear later and nothing has changed 😂
0 likesHey
0 likesYour channel is named Enderman and you haven't play minecraft?
excuse me, but i think the "Run" feature is actually from Windows 95
0 likesI think Andrew is the YouTuber that has the biggest song library (music channels like @NoCopyrightSounds do not counts)
0 likesmaybe they'll add a secret way to delete edge
0 likesCan You Make A Video on "How to Speed Your Pc Like Mine"
0 likesI love the new upload schedule
0 likesAlso 666 likes
what is your intro music
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Windows96 - Landscaping
0 likesI think this takes a lot of the visual quality of windows, particularly it bothers me a lot
0 likescan you please pass me that fox wallpaper? it looks awesome
0 likes.ch...i live(d) in that country!
0 likesWhat operating system do you use as your main?
0 likesis you profile a minecraft enderman
0 likesmeanwhile the gd players:
0 likeshmm deth corrdor
2:35 i have the same printer
0 likesVery interesting.
0 likesWindows 11 is just like windows vista hence has leftovers of his elder brother.
0 likesSo, i liked the video but didn't like your comment. Most of the stuff you mentioned is used by IT, not your average home windows user, consistency in those elements is pretty good for workflow, becouse instead of learning how to use new OS those people can just go and use it, becouse it's the same thing that was ~20 years ago, and this stuff from '90? probably it would be easier to just create new system from scratch than try to delete it and ducktape system to "work as intended", it's easier and cheaper to just leave it
0 likesnotepad is actually from windows 1.0
0 likesWordpad and Notepad are the worst windows tools to exist. They lack so much usability vs e.g. KDE's Kate or even GEdit
0 likesThis series explains why Windows is so bloated and why I believe the current Windows project is too far gone to save. Microsoft needs to start from a fresh codebase or see their OS fall to mac and linux as more and more people make the switch
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Can't wait until 90% of apps can't even run anymore. Maybe rewriting a few system apps would be better, but rewriting Windows ENTIRELY? That's not happening in a million years.
2 likesdidnt know you had geometry dash
0 likeswasn't expecting steventhedreamer, almost thought i clicked on a 3kliksphilip video by accident
0 likesDownload windows 10 media creation tool
0 likesOpen it
Select Upgrade this computer now
just a reskinned of vista?
0 likes10:37 is this internet explorer?
0 likesbro use Heading For The Sources music
0 likesI still use windows mobility center from windows vista everyday 🤣
0 likesNice video
0 likesUAC Has Been Updated In 10
0 likesOh, using kliksphillip's music yeah? I see >:3
0 likesHMMM LOOKS LIKE WINDOWS XP PRODUCT KEY BACKROUND LAYOUT 5:07
0 likes3:06 write.exe? not wordpad anymore?
0 likesWhat did Ender an mean by "Lithuanian chicken" when he brought up Vista? I'm a Lithuanian and I am so confused lmao 😂
0 likeschrome: it's too late
0 likesie:
chrome:🔫
LOL if you type \r\ into search windows 10 logo appears
0 likesStep one → Win+R
0 likesStep two → dialer
Windows 9x Layers of useless jank edition
1 likeEven more geometry dash music
0 likes12:45 wtf
0 likesis that xorg? in the second row
How yk are we to the name and what you are yelling about at a certain
0 likesYou forgot dialer
0 likesnice video
0 likesI have same printer 😩👌
0 likesIt's not all bad, but the best thing they could do it rebuild Windows entirely from the ground up. I guess the boomers and old powerusers would be upset but honestly managing a Windows server bulk with virtualization, active directory and so on is just pain at this point. You need to search years until you find the correct setting or wrote the right script for task scheduler, pain in a huge company environment and even more useless and confusing for the home user.
0 likesWelp time to turn my windows 11 into vista.
0 likesIs the lithuanian chicken thing supposed to be offensive mate?
0 likesAs a linux user:
0 likesWindows is bloat
Music :D
0 likesMicrosoft? No.
0 likesMoneysoft? Yes.
funny thing, MY COMPUTER CAME WITH WINDOWS 11
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McAfee sucks, even the developer recommend uninstalling it
0 likesalso it came with mcafee :I
0 likes0:22 The what (ok I Need to stop
0 likesNotepad is even older its from the very first Windows as if you run Windows 1.0 files on Windows 10 notepad will work and exactly the same as now
0 likesim from lithuania
0 likesand you call windows vista Lithuaian chicken
Can you make video about a funny bootleg?
0 likesRun: (mrt)?
0 likesWhen's it starting
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now
0 likesMusic is so so so bad I had to put on my own :v
0 likesAnother argument why shouldn't I waste time getting a new PC just to run Windows 11.
0 likesNice fox, by the way.
you are swiss?
0 likesI feel backwards compatibility is a moot point from microsoft at this point. Windows 11 can only run on processors from the last few years with the latest and greatest technology. What's the point of keeping stuff like dialer.exe and remnants from the 16 bit era alive in an OS that cannot be technically run on hardware that could theoretically use that stuff? What's the point in supporting Win 3.1 era drivers in 2022? What's the point of keeping screensavers around when you have to jump through hoops noone is going to take to use them? Why keeping mobile pc center around when it was a duplicate feature the day it got introduced anyways? Sync? In 2022? So many questions...
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This of course glances over the fact that anything earlier than XP is trivial to virtualize and since xp everything is on NT and much less of a burden to maintain anyways... Maybe the engineering time spent making sure that the dialer works on windows 11 could have been spent making sure the pc does not reboot without warning to apply updates while i am using it in the middle of active hours...
0 likesas a lithuanian i made fun of vista
0 likes3kliksphillips music....
0 likesHello!!!
0 likesGive me ur discord sever link plz
0 likes2:05 adb? apple desktop bus?
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@@rockpie.squashfs mmhmm
0 likesalso Android Debug Bridge (not included with Windows)
0 likesIf it works, dont fix it
0 likesmicrosoft, pls fix
0 likesUse windows 7 ultimate or smth tbh
0 likesGood video 😄👍🏻
0 likesGD Vibes
0 likesI'm the only one lithuanian who watches his videos?
0 likes4:05 Nope, the dialog itself is from 9x. Only the checkmark/warning icons were updated, and only because those are from the default iconset.
0 likes9:52 Notepad actually received Unix-style line ending support in Windows 10, so imo it doesn't count.
Yeah, half of these wouldn't look so out of place if Microsoft updated comctl32 instead of continuously creating new window systems and reinventing the wheel...
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@@winexperiments Yoo, tell me!
0 likes@@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 I know that this is a very late reply, but I have found a working way to use a modified comctl32.dll in Windows 11! It even has the entire styling code for Aero wizards and task dialogs, and I have updated the huge amount of Windows XP icons there.
0 likesYeah, that's why some people are trying their best to use Windows 8/10/11 with the classic theme.
0 likes@@winexperiments That's nice. The Win32 UI is still fundamentally broken in so many other ways though. Win32 Dark mode for all third party apps was killed by Windows XP's signature locking and poor visual flexibility compared to 98, Win32 mixed hardware rendering via DirectDraw was bitrotting so they locked everything to software mode in Windows 7 instead of fixing it to render everything with the GPU (yes, DWM in Windows 7 takes the inside contents of most windows from a software render buffer), Office never respected Windows design guidelines and always had a custom UI that clashed with the rest of the OS, and multiple different Microsoft UI frameworks coexist with different, and often incompatible concepts and hardcoded elements of their own, mostly since XP. They're all obstacles to a unified and performant Windows visual experience.
0 likesWe already have at least 3 discrete iterations of UWP Windows.UI. One for Windows 8, one for Windows 10 and one for Windows 11.
They all continue to coexist side by side in Windows 11. In the 90s Microsoft continuously updated their at the time only window system, comctl32, with extra controls and features. Comctl32 was future-proof to the point even skinning the controls the way they did in XP was a mostly trivial task and most apps could be adapted automatically without brand-new APIs for everything. I'll never understand why they sabotaged themselves with signature checking in Windows XP and continuously create more of a mess ever since.
@@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 Talking about msstyles, I have developed an msstyles file that supports up to 250% scaling without looking deformed (possibly the first to do so). It also has much smoother animations. The resources are not vectors but they're the best attempt at what Microsoft has left to stagnate.
0 likes@@winexperiments That doesn't mean anything to Microsoft. Not to mention a determined enough attacker can likely crack the signature check. Just remove the check code entirely, no need to bruteforce the signature.
1 likeComctl32 doesn't just have those images. It also has the entire blueprints and code for the original Windows classic style, with patches for Windows XP's msstyles bitmap-based skinning engine, that Microsoft still uses for Win32 apps in Windows 11.
Microsoft could've properly updated this engine to render using modern GPU composition and vector-based graphics, but no. They let it rot.
Microsoft has added a digital signature to comctl32 in Windows 10, making it impossible for users to modify it. It holds the Windows XP icons used in file pickers as well as the 9x style SysListView32 header resizing cursor…
0 likescrashdows11
1 likeYou play geometry dash?
0 likesWHAT???
0 likesNice bro
0 likesDude I bought the HP LaserJet 1020 Printer too...suprised to see XD
0 likesthanks for 0 likes
1023GB/1024GB
0 likescode red
0 likesRight click on the icon
0 likesYou didn't update Windows 11
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The apps? You can update them via Microsoft Store.
0 likeswow
0 likesFor anyone (including me) who was confused about Windows 9x I'm pretty sure he was talking about 95, 98, 98 SE, and ME.
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@@World_of_OSes yeah i wasnt talking about business editions of windows
0 likes@@HappyPlaysWasTaken Windows 9x != Windows NT
1 like@@HappyPlaysWasTaken I don't think Windows 9x refers to Windows 2000 or Windows NT 4.0
1 like@@ThatRandomToast yeah i said up to xp, not including it
0 likes@@HappyPlaysWasTaken Windows 9x refers to Windows 95, 98 (including SE), and Me only.
0 likes@@HappyPlaysWasTaken Fixed!
0 likesWindows 9x is all windows versions starting with 95 up to xp
1 likeLeftover
0 likesamazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
0 likesthe first episode was good but this one is just pathetic nitpicking on stuff that literally doesn't need to update
0 likesI have a good windows 10 computer don’t I?
0 likesdo you want to the powerpuff girls movie 20th anniversary DO IT NOW NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
0 likesgrpconv.exe "Windows program group converter”
0 likesWait… my notepad is new!?
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The older version is still included in clean installs. You can update it via Microsoft Store.
0 likeshi
0 likesNice wid and nice fox
0 likes1,000th comment
1 likeYou best
0 likesXP isn't actually as consistent as people think, since it lended many features from Windows 2000 (e.g. Add/Remove Programs, Task Manager, Group Policy Editor, graphics for setup wizards, NTLDR etc)
0 likes#Endermansmsdferch
0 likesu have virus website
0 likes"Driver da Microsoft para arquivos texto"
0 likesHonestly im the type of guy to be like if it aint broke dont fixnit
0 likeswow cool vid
0 likesif you want fun bill gates shows you fun
0 likes2021 More like 2001
0 likes™
0 likessuprised you knew that a chicken in lithuanian is višta lol...
0 likesoh wait i forgot you're russian
The music is hurting my ears, why can't you just speak?
0 likesthis just proves the huge backwards compatibility windows has. good job microsoft!
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Nope
0 likeswidow leven
0 likesIf it works then don't change it hahaha
0 likesHahahaha 🤣 WOW factor
0 likes¿Que?
0 likesWait Enderman how about you delete system 32 what will happens?
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you should try it yourself
3 likesWindows Expired11
0 likesits not a glitch its a feature.
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more like ITS NOT A GLITCH ITS A 💻 FEATURE 💻
0 likesEA with his errors
0 likeswhat is your opinion on the Russian propaganda and the war ?
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Wrong theme. This is about OSes
0 likes1000th
0 likesarabic thing هلا
0 likesplease do face reveal only hit 264k sub
0 likes👩❤👨
0 likes😃
0 likeswindows is getting more trash every release..
0 likesWhat music geometry dash
0 likesYES
0 likesGEOMETRY DAHS
0 likesHelllo
0 likes3:30 How is XP the best in consistency? Windows 7 is more consistent.
0 likesYouTube lied :( it said it was still premiere but its not
0 likesnoice
0 likes26 MINS LATE NOOOOOOOOOOO
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Nooooo
0 likeshi
0 likeshello
0 likesHi
0 likesThis is our secret area while the premiere is happening
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breached
1 likehiii
0 likesbreached
0 likesthats right
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@hello nice profile pic
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0 likesIt's a deliberate choice, so why is it shameful?
0 likesI think users are familiar with the old Windows stuff, and MS keeps it around, because people clearly don't care.
It is perhaps one of the best examples of don't fix what ain't broken in modern software.
Is it pretty and user friendly? NO, but noone cares, it's Windows.
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0 likesNotepad and Paint have been updated in the latest versions of Windows 11, I think they look like crap now.
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@@Palkia8-Bit bro I'm a child
0 likes@@ClubComix2009 i liked it for one day
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@@Palkia8-Bit I only liked it for a few weeks but then it became stupid
1 like@@ClubComix2009 seriously though, that game made my top 3 worst games, one factor being the jokes.
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4 likesYour humor is liike JellyBean, which matches with your pfp.
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Microsoft doesn't updated Windows, they just updated exploler.exe and call it new improved windows 11
0 likesShut up, your text boxes haven't changed for 2 years
0 likesby the way i like your videos and with this series i realized that even on android the interface did not have a change at first glance from 5.0 to 8.1
if you are interested I make videos in the same genre: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcYDzPvoREL3dkLTr_KLjPw
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windows 11? microsoft you f**d up big time! no joke they need to just stop this and go back to win10. win10 RULES!
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0 likesBelieve me, you dont want them to touch your lovely MMC.
0 likesMicrosoft = Lazy?
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