Remember when you just could set "Classic Windows" theme and every app Microsoft made adjusted itself to it, like DWM was only for "cool look" but not for essentials? Imagine how fast Windows 11 on modern hardware could be if they would be able to stick to the native Win 32 apps not these web view garbage they have right now?
@@vccsyaIndeed my dear. And since most people use laptops, they find Windows slow. This is what happens to me with my laptop, but the slowness has been since Windows 10, since the aforementioned laptop came with Windows 10 originally.
When I use it connected to the power it is a completely different world than when I use it with the battery. On battery, it's just too slow, and if it's an i5, it feels like a Celeron.
@@victorthevictor1976 GDI isn't fully hardware accelerated after XP. So programs using GDI has a much slower GUI. There is a video called "Windows 7 GUI slowness" that shows this.
Software fallback would be inefficient on modern hardware. But it would be useful on older hardware that doesn't effectively provide the needed hardware acceleration.
@@vccsyaDo you have any idea what you're talking about? UWP isn't and will never be faster than Win32. GDI apps have to run for Windows to sell, as dropping support for GDI would make 98% of Windows apps unusable. GDI/Win32 looks better, feels better, runs better, and is way less memory intensive. The only benefit I can think UWP brought is the easier coding (though this has existed with C# Windows forms for over two decades) and better touchscreen support. Win32 is very complex and verbose, but that's only a problem for people with programming skill issues, who probably won't be making optimized apps no matter the framework or API.
It wouldnt be faster as web-less w11 builds exist without any difference. UWP here also isnt slowing down the OS, but it does take longer to load visually (still not affecting the OS) The rather reasons for the slower experience is the default tune towards more power savings. Infact, going all win32 native apps is alot slower than the alternative solutions because gdi (the renderer of win32) has a global lock now due to security fixes & the handwritten finetuned rasterizer was removed for maintainability. gdi is in life support and has all its performance characteristics removed. a faster w11 would require forcing all programs to not be win32 ui instead.
This is why I am switching to Rumble because you can get away with it I'm thinking about switching to Linux Microsoft wants to breach everyone's computer not cool.
@@Lofote An application as simple as notepad shouldn't even need to be ported? I guess they could've just remade. Sure it can be used for programming and crazy stuff now, but I guess notepad still is supposed to be... Well a simple notepad.
And I'm surprised that nothing from Windows 8 gets reused. Not even the slightly flatter Windows 8 instead we get Windows 7 3D look of the window borders. Truly shows that even Microsoft kinda wanted to completely discard Windows 8 existence, which might be kinda bad actually? They could've reused more stuff instead of throwing away most of the really optimized though touch heavy interface.
Current Windows 11 eats so many resources because they didn't care and truly chose Windows to ditch hard drives. To be honest I think things could've gone even crazier! They could've taken Windows Phone as the main modern version of Windows and make it work with desktop hardware and keyboard and mouse input! Because much like what happened to their "little indie game" MINECRAFT they could've started a new and faster Windows OS. But yet they chose to take back a whole big step and simply took mostly programs and drivers from Windows 8 (like slidetoshutdown.exe) and slapped them into a quirky build of Windows and named it Windows 10.
@@techman_real Windows NT 3.1. There was no NT 3.11 ;)... Only WIndows 3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11. Windows NT went from 3.1 to 3.5 and then to 3.51 ;)...
@@DobroslawFabian Once again, WIndows 1.01 is not the root of WIndows 11, WIndows NT 3.1 is. Windows 1.01 was just a GUI addon for DOS. NT has absolutely no DOS code in the kernel. In fact it works completely different to DOS.
@@LEO_OfficerRaphaツ definitely not. The first version of this kernel is Windows NT 3.1 from 1993. Windows 1.0 is completely different and there isnt even any win16 code present anymore.
Fun fact: if you open control center and then type C:\ or any drive into the address bar, windows 11 will switch back to the Windows 10 style explorer. And you don't need to break anything in the system for it.
@forg3214 It has absolutely nothing of Windows 95/98/ME. All Windows since XP have been based on NT. What you actually have underneath are traces of NT from 1993, and then NT 4.0, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and all 500 versions of Windows 10.
It's actually not just 7, but a sewn-together abomination of 95, 98, XP, Vista, 7 and 10. If it had a consciousness, it would try to kill itself because of the pain it's in
@Galaxy.Windows again... it was called nt 5.0 during development and then with beta 3 it was renamed to 2000. It is the same thing. There never was a rtm of nt5 with the name "nt 5.0". I dont know how else to explain it ;)
@@Lofote i refer to build 1729 or 1279, but i dont know witch is the correct variation. anyway, its not Windows 2000 its Windows NT 5.0. you can see in the branding. thow i cant find the RTM of NT5
@@S1LLY_uhhhh-Takeachance2There was no "fallback" in that era. The "window manager" was in USER[32].DLL, windows/controls were drawn directly by it, and Windows 9x (and NT 4.0) replaced the 3.1 routines wholesale. Only when we had (relatively) large amounts of memory and disk space to burn in the XP era could we load two window managers at the same time - and that's where the "fallbacks" started.
@@TheCustomFHD Then again, MS-DOS had a big chain all the way to QDOS (quick (and) dirty operating system), which might be the reason having an app not work fully right could have it restarting over and over until it corrupts the memory, which is what i was mentioning. I mean, it WAS the base of Windows until XP (or nt workstation if that counts)
@@Lord-Sméagolsee idk about that — iirc NT was an entirely different beast built from the ground-up but programmed to be compatible with all the Windows APIs.
(That’s why cmd has been a terminal emulator since Server and 2000 was “built on NT technology [sic]”)
So while the programs which originally ran on Windows DOS can be compatible, it’s because of the Windows, not the DOS.
@@Lord-Sméagol ah yes, the operating system that allowed you to corrupt the whole memory with one app, which wasnt used after windows 98/2000 due to how unstable it is
I have a theory that MS forbids employees working on Windows to touch any shell32 code at all, or maybe everyone who knew what the hell the code did pre-Windows 8 is gone, so they just keep on piling on shells and skins over old Windows Vista/7 instead of really improving the underlying UI so it looks pretty while being backwards compatible. Windows XP and prior had a nice theming system yet they just throw it away and use UWP apps and DWM.
@@realhamza2001 this is embarrassing but one time I got drunk and pissed on it. It was pretty funny I had to throw it in the garbage because of the smell 😭
@@mix3k818It's one thing to run the interface, and another to run modern applications. Back in the day, Windows 10 ran just fine with just 1GB of RAM... until you opened a couple of tabs in Chrome and a document in Word. You were already starting to need at least 2 GB of RAM, which in no time at all started to fall short and you already needed 4, until today when you need at least 8 GB.
On channels like this they have shown that Windows 11 can run its environment with up to 512 Mb of ram, but realistically, you can't do much when today's applications demand much more from you.
They talk so much about "Linux working fine with 256 Mb" But in reality, you can't do anything with that amount these days, not even on Android, since 4GB is already starting to get too small for cell phones.
I see the Windows 7 Basic theme occasionally on my Windows 10 laptop, but that's also because it just wants to give up when I just have two programs running.
@@ChocoRainbowCorn No. The bare minimum I have ever reached was 0.5 GB with Windows 11 Ghost Spectre Superlite after I further debloated it with ThisIsWin11, Mem Reduct to clean the RAM at every 10 minutes, and no apps open. Brave Browser alone takes up about 0.6 GB with the 70 tabs I keep open (only like 7 that I work with at a time). Games won't consume less RAM than usual either.
@@ChocoRainbowCorn Windows is a pile of shit, MacOS and Linux is proof of that. You have no idea what you're talking about, do you hold stocks in hardware companies? I don't understand why you're shilling for people to buy new hardware every 5 minutes.
Microsoft literally do not give a shit about you, all they're interested in is holding their monopoly on software. There is literally NO reason Windows 10/11 should run the way it does on HDD or old hardware, just utter incompetence and maybe even a little malice, I'm pretty sure they work with the hardware companies and make their shit as bloated as possible and use cheap inexperienced engineers to make their shitty OS only work on the fastest hardware.
@@jonathan_emmanuel Nice comment. Too bad that you are the one who needs to get out and touch grass instead. First of all: What I'm saying is that you hardly need a decent PC, meaning even hardware from like 5 years ago will work. Second of all, I hardly have an "decent" PC myself, with parts at least an decade old since release date. So yeah, make of that what you will and get out there - Smell and touch some grass.
@@ChocoRainbowCorn you can’t think your own arguments have merit when several people disagree with you. This was (from what I can see) a pretty pleasant discussion before you existed. If you don’t like it, just leave this reply section
@@pessoaanonima6345 I'm not saying I disagree with the idea, but at the same time, I do think my arguments still hold a lot of merit. I think the truth of the matter, the best solution working well for our reality, stands somewhere in-between. Neither my idea nor yours are perfect.
@@justascreamingcat2964 Sure, fine by me. If that means you won't be taking me seriously, good for you, but I won't be you either. Good luck in life, basing your perception of people on such things. Besides, I doubt you would have literally anything worth talking about with you. Have fun ;)
@@Hardcore_Remixer It shouldn't be, but if it is, here's your option. Also, although I knew that things can take VERY little RAM if you really try to slim down the system resource usage, I had no idea, you can reach 1 GB. Is that with considering multiple apps open that your typical user needs? Browser, maybe some music and documents?
@@ChocoRainbowCorn Here's the thing, debloating shouldn't be necesary and Windows shouldn't need a f*ckton of RAM for what can take literally 1 GB if debloated, let alone if it wasn't bloated in the first place.
@@ChocoRainbowCorn No one should need to buy new hardware for basic stuff. The idea that a device from 10 years ago will get obsolete and upgrades are necessary just to keep doing the same tasks is considered as natural for people nowadays, but it doesn't need to be like that. The only ones benefiting from this are the big corporations. Besides, even if you buy something new, efficiency is important, and that includes not running unnecessary ui from years ago.
@@xFluing I think you are making this bigger of an deal than it actually is, and yet, 11 people are agreeing with you so far. Just get some decent hardware and do some debloating.
@@ChocoRainbowCorn It does matter on a personal level even if you dont know all this nerdy shit. This affects even grandma who just wants to check the latest misinformation on facebook. She will see windows being slow and unreliable even if she doesnt care sbout the details
@@ewenlau727 In this particular case, I may be slightly inclined to agree. However, keyword: Slightly. Because really, I still see this as nothing more than typical complaints not worth paying any attention to, especially not from Microsoft's side. But on an personal level as well. Bye.
I kinda hate that because there's so much overhead they are creating for themselves, instead of rewriting the UI from the ground up and unhooking it from the kernel so that it won't freak out so much after installing something like cairo.
@throwaway6478 Windows has a release cycle. Microsoft will release a windoes version. Then they release a new version with the same style. Then they make a new style but with similar functionality as the old version, then the cycle continues. Windows 7 was a function update to Vista
yeah, I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Microsoft is committed to backwards compatibility. I'm not saying it's a good thing but of course just deleting new systems and libraries is gonna cause it to revert to older and older ones all the way back to Vista.
I think the last time Windows made truly revolutionary changes was since Windows Vista. There are many improvements since Vista, but underhoood everything is still very much VIsta. And Windows 11 is just Windows 10 + new UI. If Microsoft wants, they can backport all Windows 11 features to Windows 10.
If you copy all code from windows 11 into the old fork of windows 10, what do you get? Windows 11 Windows 11 is the w10 codebase after the abi freeze in 2020, theres no point to 'backport' to an older codebase
pseudo style history is kinda like this:
commit 1234.. pre 20H2 commit 1235.. 20H2 - fork here: 20H2 (build 19041-19045) (with UX backports from newer commits: 21H2, 22H2) - here is the "latest" version of windows 10 .... commit 1241.. windows server 2022 (build 20348) .... commit 1260.. windows 11 21h2 (build 22000) commit 1271.. windows 11 22h2/23h2 (build 22621-2263x) ... commit 1301..windows server 23H2 (private/internal core edition newer than w11, older than ws2025, also used on xbox currently) (build 25398) ... commit 1355.. windows 11 24h2/windows server 2025 (build 26100) ... commit 1355.. windows vnext (<--- the real codebase is currently here, as of rn: build 27xxx)
Makes sense. Vista was the last "big rebuild" of Windows, and everything since has been piled on top with a new NT version painted on if MS remembers. Kinda makes me wonder if they'll ever care enough to do it again nowadays.
@@FruityKoala the macOS 'rewrite' was in 2000 and even then it was actually another OS (OpenStep) being reworked into becoming the successor of Classic. Modern macOS still runs on some of the Nextstep code but NeXT and later Apple were by far less hacky and more comprehensive when developing the OS further and modernizing legacy parts of it. Microsoft is mostly piling new stuff on to maybe halfway replace the legacy code instead of comprehensively modernizing/
@@mrjksirmacOS did a rewrite around 2020 so for old apps they just emulate them and it works really well. Haven’t encountered any issues with Intel-based app emulated
Will be interesting to see if they do a complete rewrite. I hope they’ve patented do
Apple did it recently on MacOS in 2020 switching from Intel to their chips. To solve backwards compatibility they just did emulation which works flawlessly.
@@mrjksir Not necessarily. There's nothing stopping MS making a compatibility layer for old apps, they just think it's too much work and leave the old code lying around instead even though it makes modern Windows a hell of a mess.
Microsoft: windows 11, a modern os Enderman: It’s a modern version of windows vista. ———— In the “The state of windows” video, Andrew said: I’m glad that Windows 11 can still do Windows 7 Basic Microsoft: well if he likes it, we have to keep this historic theme
I believe Windows installing updates on the boot screen only happens when there’s an update to the System Firmware - Device Manager showed a warning icon next to it when you opened it a few moments earlier, probably saying that a reboot is required for it “to work”
@@throwaway6478But it also appears when there are BIOS updates. It happens to me on my HP Elitebook every time I get a BIOS update via Windows Update.
You can believe that, but you'd be wrong. PendingFileRenameOperations (which is used extensively by Windows updates and app installers) is processed right at the start of Session Manager initialization - or "on the boot screen", for you laymen.
You can remove explorer too, replace it with winxshell amd you have a taskbar, desktop and basic start menu. You'll probably have a bunch of "class not registered" errors, but I'm sure its within your skillset to fix.
Why does winlogon have that fallback login UI? Like you can see it's back from the days when Microsoft cared about the quality of their product, but it has all the features normal winlogon has. Was it ever used outside of fallback?
@huttyblue Yeah it did cross my mind, it would explain why it has all the features of the graphical logon, but it still bothers with opening a cmd window instead of just crashing.
@LugiDergX Since you're talking about misinformation, saying that Windows 8 was a system for tablets only is also Windows 8.x could be used on a desktop PC in the same way that Windows 8.x was used Windows 7 and any other previous version. Everything that worked in Windows 7 also worked in Windows 8.x.
Which also had the usual desk. It wasn't just tiles like those who never used it think.
@@MickmickWashesThings_Official well i agree because the reason why Microsoft was forced to release windows 8.1 is was because of it Is was so bad the release of windows 8 that skip 9 to release 10
@@ChocoRainbowCorn ok the first one is bad But the second and third are good because remember when windows rt got released back in the early 2010? Well at the time the Microsoft store was not use widely as today
@@ChocoRainbowCornWow people exaggerate shit lmao. Yeah of course there's probably the one person out there that uses it. But most people just get their shit from the websites
I think it’s a mistake from a dev standpoint, it just takes longer using WinUI 3 or directly using XAML than swing up a web app in an Electron. MS also failed to come up with a proper UI layer replacement (of Win32 UI) for rapid app development. Not everyone needed WPF and XAML. Things got better when they allow hybrid apps that use XAML and Win32 elements (e.g. Explorer and Task Manager) but that’s not a Win32 UI replacement either.
@@HAKANKOKCU For your Windows 8.1 comment, well yes, but Windows is not an OS primarily made for tablets now, is it? There's a good reason why it is amongst the worst Windows versions of all time. Or well, many reasons. But this is the biggest one.
windows 8.1 was kinda ok, it was just for "tablets" and it was doing its job, because they had to optimize it. now microsoft makes really bad and laggy codes and puts them as "layer" which lags stuff more
@@techgaming-on4wg Not nobody. That is what people like you like to say however, and that is spreading blatant untrue information around. Otherwise called misinformation.
@@Lofotebecause first nobody use it second they consume storgae and in some pc resources, also Microsoft oncr try with windows rt and failed because was 2012 and 2013 and at the time windows apps don't were much as today
Also a fun fact: Disable desktop composition on non-Microsoft apps via the compatibility tab in the app properties dialog, and you'll see the app running in the Windows Vista theme.
Be careful with putting horizontal red lines near the bottom of the thumbnail, it made me think I already watched the video and I was about to scroll past
when i saw the notification of you premiering a vid it throwed me back in time when people were spamming aboba on the live chat on one of your vid premierès for no reason whatsoever
30 years ago they thought that we will have flying cars by now, but now we see a BrokenWin 11 based on NT(?, or at least Vista) skinned with fresh themes and "futuristic" AI on top.
The Server Core editions of Windows come without any GUI by default -- the LogonUI is the fallback one, and when you login, there is just a CMD script with administration options. It also comes with a Windows 8-like theme, but not quite (the window controls are still square instead of rectangle). I wonder, would it be possible to do this video, but in reverse, there? i.e. getting explorer and/or other GUI programs to run on a version of Windows that comes with no GUI by default.
@@upseguestAll versions of Server Core have had the DWM since Server 2008. It's only been on by default since Windows Server 2012 however, for obvious reasons.
The "8 but square" look to Server Core 2012-2022 is because those versions came with their own theme, called "Aero Lite" - and yes, it runs just fine on the the corresponding client edition (Windows 8.0 for Server 2012, Windows 8.1 for Server 2012 R2, Windows 10 1607 for Server 2016, and Windows 10 1809 for Server 2019 - Windows Server 2022 didn't have a corresponding client edition, but it may work on Windows 10 21H2 or later, I've just never tested it).
@@upseguest Oh, yeah sorry I don't have much experience with Windows Server Core, I only used Hyper-V Server before, and it was a long time ago. But if the new 2025 versions have DWM, surely that would be even more reason for it to be able to run GUI apps with a bit of elbow grease? I think I'll try to get an ISO when I come home and play around with it, it definitely seems interesting. Maybe even somehow mutate Server Core to have a full graphical shell lol.
Idea: You should strip Windows 11 back to basic or even classic (at the end), and port back all the win32 apps from windows 7 while using openshell for the task bar
Never heard of open shell, but do you think it would be possible to revert and bring back some of the missing and messed up UI elements by modifying some new Windows files that were added in Windows 11 while also bringing back some other ones? All this done to, well, bring back Windows 7/Vista theme and some functionality.
Love the video! I was always fascinated by how I would see a glimpse of the windows 7 basic ui after switching out of fullscreen mode in edge for the fraction of a second!
Yes, because (to extend your analogy) tenants just love it when they get "Error: The procedure entry point SomeOldAPICall could not be located in dynamic link library shell32.dll" when they try to plug in a heater or a refrigerator that's a few years old.
believe it or not, this has been a thing as early as 98. as you may be able to see its trying to combine the classic 98 theme, 2000 and me, windows xp, windows 7, windows vista and windows 7 too. windows 7 is wearing the skin of 98 and so is xp, 2000 etc. and windows 8, 8.1, 10 and 11 are wearing the skin of windows 7 and then all the other windows oses post 98
It was interesting to see Vista under the hood. I hope one day to see Windows XP theme on modern Windows (I know it is possible on Linux, though)! :D Thanks for such deep dive!
I'm guessing the reason that some apps don't display properly without dwm is because dwm is needed for mica transparency effects. All of Microsoft Edge's context menus, the explorer top bar, and the new explorer context menus have mica and didn't work.
It is possible with custom solutions. The LSA API is open but horribly documented. It's not very elegant either, but technically, it's possible to cook up a LogonUI replacement.
WE NEED THAT TASKBAR BRO! I really liked the video(any video destroying Windows gets my like), and I really wanna emphasize that UWP can run without DWM, just really broken, you can write forever while loops in batch that continuously trigger the EXE, so the kinda broken thing appears, and the controls are still there, but not drawn.
I think there is more layers that can be peeled off, once when I ran out of system resources, explorer switched to something that looked like the fallback from Vista, but with fonts from Windows 3. Sadly I don't have any screenshots and don't know hot to replicate it
The last time I saw DWM working properly was from Windows 8.1. Starting from Windows 10, DWM is sometimes unstable, with strange bugs and glitches. For example, delay when moving a window.
Your doing gods work... Also the end result is infinitely more usable than Windows 11 It really seems like there would be a way to make a completely stripped down version that works and distribute it as an easy to use script
I dont know if you know but if you click uninstall on notepad, it doesn't actually uninstall it, but it brings the older version of notepad, before it became UWP. It can be easily brought back by installing it on the Microsoft Store.
Congratulations! It’s a good progress to remove the scaffolding of Windows 11 UI. This also put the light on very concerning design issues as illustrated by all the border effects you shown in this video. Can you step by automated in some ways ?
Well, I mean who would touch those 50M lines of code to reinvent the DWM. Rather, its much better for Microsoft and almost every dev out there to make it on top of the existing apis. Just like how a newer version of a programming language is made on top of the existing code of the programming langauge.
Edge doesn't work probably because the version of it installed by default is a UWP app and removing DWM removes most of the context menus and title bar of Edge. However, the fact that it's totally not usable is a mystery, all the webpages and even the settings page are essentially written on JS, HTML, CSS
Chromium Edge isn't is a UWP app like old Edge which was actually on UWP, he could use --disable-gpu in launch flags for edge, chrome could refuse too but somehow detected and started with --disable-gpu by default, firefox (and other browser based on FF) only runs fine without issues with rendering without dwm.
Considering Windows Server without desktop experience runs on this fallback GUI and doesn't shows anything like your cmd.exe quirck, maybe you could compare the difference and have a cleaner version, without the invisible cmd.exe waiting for input.
It would be nice if the LogonUI fallback was also a mode called "CLI Mode" or something. It's sad that they made it only a fallback. Edit: Although you can just delete, rename, or even change the permissions on Windows.UI.Logon.dll
@@Arctic123YTI personally prefer to fiddle the ACLs myself (rather than rename or delete), because it doesn't result in... unexpected behavior when this month's CU rolls around. As long as you don't deny TrustedInstaller access to the file(s), you're golden.
"Console Mode Logon" (that's its name) is the logon interface of Server Core editions since 2016/version 1607. Server 2016/version 1607 actually had a registry switch to choose which one you wanted - which, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough, depending on how much you know about how Windows is built - worked on Windows 10 1607 too.
But Microsoft got smart: they realised that they didn't need any registry switch, they can just switch mode based on whether Windows.UI.Logon.dll is present (which is where most of the "logon screen", as you know it, lives), and remove that file from Server Core editions, saving ~3MB of disk space in the process.
Armed with that knowledge, what do you think would happen if you put a SYSTEM->Deny->Read and Execute ACE on %SystemRoot%\System32\Windows.UI.Logon.dll, or outright deleted that file?
This logon in text mode reminds me of windows server in command line only version. I guess @enderman uncovered this remnant of the old server that Microsoft discontinued
I was playing Minecraft the other day and I accidentally clicked on the top edge of the window, which lets me resize it. When I dragged my mouse up, it resized like normal but underneath the top bar, a a windows 7 style bar appeared
That's why I was able to downgrade my Windows 11 laptop to Windows 10 with just one display related issue, both on win11 when updating drivers and Windows 10 when I installed the driver. There must be a reason RTX 4000 series supports Windows 7. Heck, the 3000 series of drivers can run on Vista SP2!
Hello Enderman, i have a suggestion: Can you try if windows repair can fix all of that after you are done with it? Would be really interesting to see :)
It's actually Vista. It can't be overstated just how much Windows 7 was just a marketing move to shut up poors who grizzled "hurrdurr Vista sux". As demonstrated by 4chan's /g/, this comment section etc., it worked, too.
Microsoft is lazy to build new features on new code, instead using old technology, old source code to build new features (based on Windows NT 4 and Windows NT 4 is still present in Windows 11 today, is just covered with modern uwp "layers".) microsoft lazy at hell💀
Not really. Also, some people on this channel claim that the extreme backwards compatibility is amongst the biggest security fears in Windows. To that I say: It's really not. In fact, if we are supporting Windows 95/98 era apps to an certain extent by default, they should bring back full support for that and reintroduce DOS app support on x64/64-bit system versions, including 16-bit apps in general too. Really, all that would need to be done for such extreme backwards compatibility to work well security-wise, would be to just look at that old code and make it secure again - Or as secure as it can get. Microsoft just doesn't exactly care about that.
I can imagine the Windows Vista team is laughing from their basements at all the people that said their work was terrible for over a decade when the people start to realize that Vista was the last actual major Windows update and every version since has been a game of try not to break Vista because nothing else will work if it fails.
It absolutely baffles me why Microsoft refuses to update the DWM-less windows resources, given that they’re used in the setup and can even still appear on slow PCs. It would take so little time to update the bitmaps like Rectify11 does, but they haven’t touched them in like 17 years. Blows my mind.
Besides, WDDM is already present in even the most essential areas of the system, including the BSOD, the bootscren and the recovery, so these elements also run in DWM.
Because DWM is the future and having a rendered interface gives a lot of play to graphical effects and making the interface more modern. Almost all modern operating systems already have graphical interfaces hardware-accelerated, even Android. Microsoft must keep up with the trends in the environment.
While reactOS can afford to remain just a prototype 25 years out of date.
@throwaway6478 Man, acting like you are dyslexic, is the lowest level of trolling. BORING! Yes, drawing UI is a multi-stage process. And hurr-durr... you forgot to mention GPU driver & API. What does it have to do with topic of the video & the fact that utilities in Windows 11 require multiple UI libraries at the same time?
@throwaway6478 Oooh, that's why I need multiple versions of window managers & compositors running at the same time, to draw different parts of Windows application. Makes so little sense now, I am considering you are just copying stuff from GPT.
@@DriftJunkieThe nocoder now admits he doesn't even know how an X server works. The clue is in the "server" part. 🤣 And that's just the beginning: the Quartz compositor in macOS, the display server in your $19.99 ex tax Android phone, etc. work exactly the same way. So yeah, you're pretty bloody ignorant, even by nocoder standards.
@@DriftJunkieNow the nocoder is admitting he doesn't know what an X server is and/or how it works. This is absolute gold. 🤣 Seriously kid, there's still time to delete your shame and run back to Reddit where you belong.
@throwaway6478 Damn nocoders thinking that whatever Microsoft implemented is undisputable, sacred truth. Relying on external running processes for drawing UI is just nuts. 🙈
@@DriftJunkie Client/server means it must be on separate computers And there it is - even after I specifically mentioned COM servers. Nocoders, every time.
@@DriftJunkieCOM servers are a great example of a library that won't work unless their host application is running. There are tons of other examples, such as libraries that interface to a back end of some sort - which, indeed, is how DWM works: it's a client/server architecture, like most of the lower-level parts of Windows NT.
You would know this stuff if you were actually a programmer - but you're not, so you don't.
@@ChocoRainbowCorn I think I found the guy that says "there is nothing to hide". BTW there is no serious computer guy that is funny at party, you can be one you cannot be both. The funny guy is usually a BA guy catching b*tches lol, and he has nothing to do with computer.
@@throwaway6478 probably there is only Paint (older version), Wordpad and Snipping Tool uses the same ribbon style as 10 explorer. Which kinda defeated your logic. It's not like the context menu that has like 10 different styles in total.
This comment section: hurrdurr windows is so slow bloated Also this comment section: why do they call routines in the DWM - a library that's always running, and therefore in memory and doesn't need to be loaded - instead of duplicating it for every program that has ribbons? I know you guys aren't programmers, but seriously, apply some logic.
@@ChocoRainbowCorn this is my personal opinion, but i would. Not "caring for that stuff", would make me sound like one of those isheep consoomers, who consume product, then get excited for next product and repeat the cycle.
If i didn't cared at all, then i'd just be another mindless consumer not caring at all what MS does. Or google for that matter.
Unless you mean something else, in which case i don't know.
If im gonna buy something, it must be something i like, and something that i need information about it, before i make the choice to buy.
@@Wake_up._This_isnt_your_world You sound like an guy that is fun at parties. "Spywaresoft" - Good one. Well yeah, they sort of are that. So? There's plenty of other, more annoying changes that I could list out for you, more than some outdated privacy when it comes to large corporations. If you take yourself seriously, which hardly anyone does nowadays apparently, you wouldn't really care for that stuff.
@LugiDergX Yes. I like to call MS "spywaresoft", because it's what they do nowadays.
If you want to use win11, they really force you to use a MS account, straight from the OOBE. Even in 10, the OOBE didn't forced you to create a MS account, because a MS account should be optional, not a requirement.
Afaik, you can bypass that with command prompt on the OOBE, or just sign in to your supposed MS account, by simply typing "defaultuser0". It gives you a error, but afterwards, it will skip you to the offline account creation, aka the local account creation.
Of course, im not familiar with the newer OOBE releases, so im not sure if they patched that yet, but i wouldn't be surprised if they did, despite the fact that the OOBE, ironically, is open source. (i believe enderman said it in one of his videos here)
I do agree with you about the taskbar. The old formula was great and nobody complained about it, but spywaresoft had to fuck it up with 11 somehow, didn't they? I really hate the new context window when you right click at something. I want the good ol' trusty context window back, not this new, UWP nonsense. (and really, why move the taskbar icons to the middle, and not give us a option to change their positioning to the left, like what 10 had? Or change them to the right for instance)
But yh, the whole thing about MS being "spywaresoft", is how they forced recall on you, and you can't uninstall it. (unless you have trusted installer privileges)
That, and that thing about forcing bit locker encryption too. Next thing you know, MS will force syskey on everyone, like those old "microsoft tech support" scammers did back then LOL.
@@Wake_up._This_isnt_your_world "Spywaresoft" - Good one. Are you possibly again one of those Microsoft haters of the old? I forgot that's what you guys do. While you are right to an certain extent, this is your typical anti-Microsoft behavior. Fun to see that on this channel, although it's full of that to be fair. If anything, wanna know what's worse than Recall? That's right - Many unnecessary changes to Taskbar (Start Menu/Menu Start is fine in my opinion), no more offline logging in unless you force it (including the removal of the whole Guest account functionality - and before you say anything, as far as my knowledge goes, no, it does not exist, and the tutorials you find online for turning it back on, do not, in fact, turn it back on, although I never researched what they do exactly instead), bit-locker drive encryption on fresh installs AND, rather obviously, new hardware requirements that aren't realistically needed. There are a couple other things here and there, mainly related to removal of a lot of old features and apps, including straight up downgrade UI changes in apps like Paint (look at the ribbon and tell me, why would you remove the whole section for copying/pasting things? because a bunch of people don't need it?) and Windows Explorer/File Explorer, but Windows 11 is most likely 3rd best Windows version aside from 10 and 7. And no, I'm not counting the whole Settings app VS Control Panel debate, as that one is pointless - Settings app works just fine, but to be taking this long to make a full transition from one to the other is where the real pain is.
Because it's the future old man! Haven't you heard? Futuristic things need lots of redundancies and other stuff, just so they don't break apart, unlike older tech XD.
But seriously, this is spywaresoft we're talking. They're more busy trying to find ways on how to force recall on every newer computer that you can't uninstall, so that they get every single drop of juice of data from you. The rest isn't important. What's priority is how do they steal private data from you.
Actually, the UI is Vista. NT 3.x looked rather different (like Windows 3.x - or to be more precise, OS/2 1.2, which makes sense when you learn about NT's original development), then it was (roughly) the same UI for NT 4.0 and Windows 2000. XP mixed it up a bit by having a theming engine, but it wasn't deeply integrated into the display stack like DWM is, and could be turned off easily without any loss in functionality - unlike DWM, which has always punished you with performance and functionality losses since Vista, despite being technically optional in Vista and 7.
Because it's building it on older versions that makes it backward compatible. Imagine doing it your way: every routine, from drawing a window to allocating memory, rewritten every single version. Imagine how long that would take. Imagine all the testing you would have to do to make sure it's right. Imagine what an absolute waste of time and effort it is.
@@Waludalf It doesn't sell, because contrary to the popular belief of the gray masses, hardly ever cares about it, unless it is significantly visible, which is not the case for hardware, which, for many people works just well, smooth and fast enough. Otherwise though, your comment is right on and I fully agree with it.
@vccsya the more you build onto something the sooner the day comes where it falls apart, you can't just "make" a new OS right on, it takes time, planning, resources, etc. I reckon the ram usage, storage usage, CPU usage, GPU usage can be cut IN HALF at least, when done correctly, keeping backwards comparability, from what I've seen fishing around windows, their updates only build on top of each other, the kumulative Updates are somewhat better but still, it's a pyramid of windows, if they were to at least rewrite it all from a recent stable point, that would already work wonders, however "performance doesn't sell" apparently.
that is not how operating systems work. example: macos is an ancient old codebase that gets improvements and some new paint (ui) every once in a while too, but its at the core still the same codebase as it was a decade ago same for linux where you could easily take a 15 year old linux system and replace the kernel and it would boot and run just fine, cause in the end its the same project and codebase
you dont "make something from 0" its a waste of time and would have YOU complain that your programs and games and whatnot dont work cause they arent updated or are buggy cause the devs of the apps/programs didnt migrate to the new codebase correctly.
operating systems evolve, they dont get replaced with something new and shiny. all you ever get to see is maybe a different ui and developers get to use new features. its how oses work
@@techgaming-on4wg He's not just "any" YouTuber, mind you. He's fairly well known, in this rather particular community, which I half-love but also half-hate.
@@Waludalf Nah, the kernel is ok and good designed. It is some things that are not so well designed in the UI. Plus many issues are there BECAUSE it is so compatible to very old software, so many things need to stay in, because it would break some business software here and there.
@@Waludalf You are aware how huge the source code is to built current Win11? :)... Thats not something that can be "done new" in a matter of a few years.
@@throwaway6478 what? I'm a punishing OS don't you get it?
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Never gonna give you up. Never gonna let you down. Never gonna desert you and tell you a lie (That's the only lyrics I know from Never gonna give you up lol).
cool stuff, but it's ridiculous that depending on a modern rendering system is what you call a "downwards trend in software quality" and you call the things that depend on it worse...
@@LukeIsASmurfI'm sorry that you don't understand the word "you" is plural. You even admit you said nothing for or against Vista. So your desperate request for victimhood is DENIED - especially after yesterday.
Yes, it's well-known that the kernel really hasn't changed much since Vista. It can't be understated what an absolute revolution Vista was. It's why your opinion of Vista isn't just a check of your socioeconomic status in the late 00s, but also an IQ test.
Windows 7 theme on windows 10? Thats what you reached now, i was dreaming of it in 2022, ur the best Quick edit, you even reached the fallback theme from vista? Windows 7 basic and fallback theme from vista in one video, i love it
Msft having edge browser be dwm-only is a good thing for efficiency. Whats different? its using the correct swapchain flipmode, which shares framebuffer with dwm to avoid unnecessary copies You complain about an unsupported scenario, like with many other parts where you say the lack ui elements where dwm is required is a regression. What i can agree with is that explorer gets worse and worse over time, but the reliance on dwm is not the reason for it.
Guys, it's not "Windows 7 underneath". It's an appearance introduced in Vista named Windows Vista Basic, which was a lighter alternative to Windows Aero.
Microsoft realized they made their most stable piece of software with Windows 7 and just decided to build on top of it. Nothing will ever come close to 7
They need to bring back a 'classic windows' skin that dramatically improves how windows performs before I would even THINK about considering running windows again.
No, the "classic Windows" skin has inferior in performance to DWM. Windows Classic has no hardware acceleration whatsoever for starters, and there have been changes every release since Vista that, while "hardening" the GDI code, also make it slower.
There's a video out there demonstrating just how slow the GUI becomes on Windows 7 when you use Classic theme.
Is there a way to do this with Windows 10? I'd love to get Windows 7 style theming on everything again. I use a combination of programs to imitate it, but it's nowhere near perfect. Edit: I also wonder if there's a way to patch in old theming resources.
Wonder how much of this can be fixed up to make a like, Windows 11 for potatoes edition. Some stuff might just work a lot better without needing reliable hardware acceleration on hardware that doesn't provide it particularly well.
@throwaway6478 I grew up with 9x but nice try though. I don't even remember making this comment as I would have been half asleep. In future, you and your upvoter keep your remarks to yourself. I am not causing any harm to you. Even if I was young Grow up do something useful 😂
@throwaway6478 I'm a gen Z and started on Windows 9x. Nice try though In fact I don't remember making this comment, so no matter the cringeness it doesn't count. What are you and your stupid af upvoter smoking exactly? It is not that deep bro maybe you should touch grass? Windows Vista rebuilt parts of the kernel so it is different to XP, hence some types of drivers stopped working. There have been no major overhauls since then
@@LofoteYou have to keep in mind how young the audience for these videos is. Most of them are too young to know anything before 7 existed, and the 5% who aren't, think XP was where the universe began.
microsoft on his way to make a fallback theme to a fallback theme to a fallback theme of a trash theme. while they're there couldn't they just let user pick?
Really amazing video! I never thought anyone would bring out Windows 7 UI in Windows 11 since it has a lot of UWP integrations. Very surreal and weird to see that.
believe it or not, this has been a thing as early as 98. as you may be able to see its trying to combine the classic 98 theme, 2000 and me, windows xp, windows 7, windows vista and windows 7 too. windows 7 is wearing the skin of 98 and so is xp, 2000 etc. and windows 8, 8.1, 10 and 11 are wearing the skin of windows 7 and then all the other windows oses post 98
This is not windows 7 is you were a programmer you would know that these are different window borders in winui that are still included in windows 11 for backward compatiblity with olded apps
I thought making basically everything depend on one object was a terrible design choice made by bad and/or inexperienced developers, not a billion dollar corporation. Looks like M$ has gotten to a new level of laziness.
@@stephaniethebatter7975There is one piece where he actually uses a real motherboard with Core 2 Quad. In this case, he uses a video capture card to record the BIOS.
nice, wounder if its possible to revert windows back to no themes, sounds like it could reduce overhead on slower machines as it almost looks like microsoft just overlays features on features without removing the old stuff, probably for compatibility but im sure it makes it unoptimized. (also id like to see windows like it was windows 2000 without 3rd party apps lol)
hey bro I have asus X540SAA I tried everything but the touchpad doesn't work I am installing Windows 7 x64 PS1 all updates good the windows doesn't recognize the touchpad but it works in linux mint thanks in advance
i dont know if it would be possible but it would be cool video to like install windows 11 and try to downgrade it without installing iso or another virtual machine just change the parameters or like try to have windows 10 but in windows 11 system if you know what i mean enderman
nice, wounder if its possible to revert windows back to no themes, sounds like it could reduce overhead on slower machines as it almost looks like microsoft just overlays features on features without removing the old stuff, probably for compatibility but im sure it makes it unoptimized. (also id like to see windows like it was windows 2000 without 3rd party apps lol)
@@Lofote Probably the theme and some of the apps. Also, Guest accounts were really useful. I miss them. Don't wanna bother making an whole new account for guests and well, let's just say that the articles claiming it's still there and can be enabled again lie. From what I remember, there is indeed an user or some user group called Guest and Guests, but it is not the Guest account we knew from back in the day. It's something else entirely. What exactly? I'm not really sure. I don't wanna risk breaking my PC more than I already do it on the daily basis just by messing around with things.
why just slap random edm songs on a video?? I was really enjoying your new approach where you actually talk about what's happening in the video, having subtitles only is a major drawback.
To each their own. My ADHD brain enjoys this type of content more. The other videos I can only watch at 1.5x or even higher as it too slow for me otherwise.
Once upon a time there was 98lite that could strip down Windows 98. In it's "Micro" mode it replaced explorer.exe with the one from Windows 95 and completely removed IE and the "active desktop" (remember that?).
Perhaps it's time to put Explorer.exe from Windows 7 into 11 :-) But with all the checking and signatures this will be hard these days.
thats why i never wanted to use the windows 11, its 2GB bigger than windows 7 (installer), and i see no key new feature. it is bloated. lots of functionalities are based on modified obselete crap, even visible features are duplicated (e.g. control panel vs. Settings), it feels like im using an engineering sample
Dude, seriously, please stop including songs with vocals D: Not only do they tend to be annoying, but they're also a little distracting. (and often just aren't very good) Instrumentals are so much less distracting, way more relaxing, and tend to be less nerve wrecking. Seriously, it's to the point where I can't watch a video if the music's got vocals.
Not sure if you're gonna see this, but please, please take this into account.
Its kinda interesting that microsoft instead of rebuilding the windows design they just hid windows basic theme (windows 7 theme like other people say)
Nah, NT was a clean break from the DOS-based Windows. Even the UI, which the hoi polloi believes was "Windows 3.1" was actually OS/2 1.2 - which makes sense if you're aware of how NT was developed.
"wow this software is terrible, it doesn't even render everything when you delete large chunks of the code!" come on bro. you can be a windows hater and still be reasonable. more programs doesn't inherently mean bloat, this is like deleting a chunk of GTK and being shocked that things break.
honestly this is a testament to how reliable Windows is
You need to compare it to something else to understand. The wordpad app is an example of a lightweight decent looking app that always works, whereas dogshits like UWP depend on 100 dependencies and will break if any of them are absent. You don't have to delete everything to break it.
I learned that the hard way when trying to remove the touch keyboard app that always runs in the background eating 300 MB of RAM. After removing some of the seemingly unrelated components, explorer and UWP apps broke completely.
"Upgrade to windows 11" the tech people said to me glad Windows 10 LTSC IoT exists and gives me more time before the inevitable and forced downgrade to windows 11
So, it was all just a reskinned Windows Vista after all. I kinda wonder - and wouldn't be surprised - if some parts of the DOS are still running somewhere in the background...
My message gets deleted because youtube cannot handle Windows commands, so well, here's the last try of mine.
@@ChocoRainbowCorn, well, according to the standard io file path formats dotnet documentation, Windows in any version (that supports dotnet) has to guarantee correct file path formats for the system. In theory, the terminal / "cmd" is used to invoke all DOS commands, but it's not its job to actually check that Windows actually respects these types, there must be some older code that allows this to be checked, and still needs to make sure everything is backwards compatible.
Let's not forget the pure DOS device paths that still need to be supported, so: - \\.\C:\Test\Foo.txt - \\?\C:\Test\Foo.txt - \\.\Volume{b75e2c83-0000-0000-0000-602f00000000}\Test\Foo.txt - \\?\Volume{b75e2c83-0000-0000-0000-602f00000000}\Test\Foo.txt
And let's not forget that the legacy DOS commands such as "subst", "diskcomp" and "diskcopy" are still available as well, but are - I think - just compiled for either 32 or 64 bit architecture. Unfortunately, another example I would like to give such as NTVDM has become an optional feature, but it's still possible to enable support for 16-bit applications and run them, and if that doesn't work, there are alternatives like WINEVDM or NTVDMX64. There are also "wmic" and "gpedit.msc", both of which remember at least Windows XP (at least Pro), so... I really wouldn't be surprised if the "modern Windows 11" has either completely recompiled some old / ancient even applications, or simply reused them in a hidden layer of compatibility for those programs only.
And yes, it's still all about Windows NT powering moderns Windows systems and wearing different skins, but some layers of compability had to be kept and cut straight outta DOS, that's why I wrote what I wrote above.
Mind explaining how that would work, considering that 16-bit apps and DOS apps support in general was nearly completely removed from the system? Unless we are talking about the 32-bit versions of the system, where this might still be possible.
There's a part of me that's incredible upset to learn that we lost the perfect OS (Windows 7) just to have layers and layers of microtransactions and ads painted on and called Windows 11
The immortal task manager gets modernified and becomes worse due to UWP... I should be able to use that thing in any case scenario, that's the whole point of task manager
It's funny how much better Windows 11 looks once you peel off the garbage that is the default theme. Software only seems to go backwards nowadays, especially in terms of quality, reliability. usability, and appearance.
@@AllOSesOfficialI hope that you don't take that attitude into your dating life. "It kinda looks like a woman so it is a woman" isn't going to end well for you. 😅
i think the youtube website behaves roughly similar when i go to its internal "EXPERIMENT_FLAGS", i can set it to return a "broken" watch page which is from 2021 (notable is no rounded corners)
in my windows 8.1 installation, the vista fallback ui can appear if the explorer is started as admin from process hacker while it is running as NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
I ran OOBE.EXE after setting up my laptop then hard rebooted it It connected defaultuser0 so it showed my account and defaultuser0 next to each other Surprisingly removeing it didn’t seem to make everything implode It somehow also unregistered the class related to copilot lol and broke a good chunk of the taskbar functionality
I know why windows keeps getting worse. Its because Microsoft itself is insanely bloated with unnecessary middle management. Middle managers needing to justify their teams existence make bloat insist its the best thing since sliced bread and convince the higher ups that they are needed to maintain the bloat.
Windows 11 is just Windows 10 with steroids. Windows 10 is just Windows 8 on steroids. Windows 8 is just a drunk version of Windows 7. Windows 7 is just Windows Vista with steroids. And Windows Vista is a drugged out and drunk version of Windows XP.
Every Windows we use, Windows XP is always underneath
9:32 >WordPad still works as well Implying as if can stop working... The folks at Micro$oft were so shocked when they created it they decided to only write stuff on the most easy-to-break frameworks possible
Use this with Explorer7 to get epic windows 7 theme, combine with the logon screen replacer that abuses the fallback login to create a windows 7 login screen ,and wabam!
4:42 - It's a feature called "Hardware Cursor", which draws the cursor separately from everything else. It's a GPU feature, not specifically for Windows. 6:01 - Microsoft added hijacks to some shell calls on-the-go to Settings, including some Control Panel items (you probably know this already), but when they fail, they're supposed to either drop to Control Panel, or just create an error dialog box, which are both broken, so Control Panel does nothing. 8:52 - Edge would probably run on older Windows versions without DWM. Edge for Windows 11 comes with different UIs (for no reason) accelerated by DWM. 10:07 - Explorer context menus are special since Windows 10, as they're replaced on-the-go with "Immersive Context Menus". This supplies dark mode, but requires an appropriate visual style, hence they can't render properly. 10:40 - Same as above, but for the taskbar shell. Since app icons come from their respective executables, and the gear icon is quickly patched there in Windows 11 betas for testing the new quick settings without any reference, they can render themselves. 11:04 - UWP apps get their splash animation from the current visual style. When you removed Resources, they silently failed, but when you removed their files, no references exist, hence the empty window.
"oh it's just a light debloat don't worry"
1003 likesthe debloat:
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0 likes@@monad_tcp I got everything working on core server, except audio, once that is done, it's pretty much the dream system.
0 likesfrfr
1 like@@Dummigame Linux From Scratch
6 likesLinux
0 likesStill too bloated, anyone who used Windows Core Server
7 likesPOV: When you enabled every tweak
11 likes@@binku09 real
7 likesRemember when you just could set "Classic Windows" theme and every app Microsoft made adjusted itself to it, like DWM was only for "cool look" but not for essentials? Imagine how fast Windows 11 on modern hardware could be if they would be able to stick to the native Win 32 apps not these web view garbage they have right now?
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@@KaiBannon edge is basically Microsoft Chrome
0 likes@@_kitaes_ and a lot of it relies on Edge as well. Removing that would make the sidebar broken for example
0 likesi'd love for windows 11 to have windows 10 theming for when i'm eventually made to switch
0 likes@@SweetCloud0598 Better have slow windows than a battery thats empty before you could finish your work :P
2 likes@@vccsyaIndeed my dear. And since most people use laptops, they find Windows slow. This is what happens to me with my laptop, but the slowness has been since Windows 10, since the aforementioned laptop came with Windows 10 originally.
2 likesWhen I use it connected to the power it is a completely different world than when I use it with the battery. On battery, it's just too slow, and if it's an i5, it feels like a Celeron.
@@𰻝 I seen it too
0 likes@@victorthevictor1976 GDI isn't fully hardware accelerated after XP. So programs using GDI has a much slower GUI. There is a video called "Windows 7 GUI slowness" that shows this.
15 likesSoftware fallback would be inefficient on modern hardware. But it would be useful on older hardware that doesn't effectively provide the needed hardware acceleration.
4 likes@@vccsyaDo you have any idea what you're talking about? UWP isn't and will never be faster than Win32. GDI apps have to run for Windows to sell, as dropping support for GDI would make 98% of Windows apps unusable. GDI/Win32 looks better, feels better, runs better, and is way less memory intensive. The only benefit I can think UWP brought is the easier coding (though this has existed with C# Windows forms for over two decades) and better touchscreen support. Win32 is very complex and verbose, but that's only a problem for people with programming skill issues, who probably won't be making optimized apps no matter the framework or API.
19 likes@@celdaemon They didn't say crap about DWM
0 likesDWM is making things faster, tfdym?
7 likes@@vccsya directwrite exists, and i wouldn't really consider gdi slow if u actually use it correctly
0 likesweb view garbage existed during Internet Explorer 4 days.
22 likesIt wouldnt be faster as web-less w11 builds exist without any difference.
59 likesUWP here also isnt slowing down the OS, but it does take longer to load visually (still not affecting the OS)
The rather reasons for the slower experience is the default tune towards more power savings.
Infact, going all win32 native apps is alot slower than the alternative solutions because gdi (the renderer of win32) has a global lock now due to security fixes & the handwritten finetuned rasterizer was removed for maintainability. gdi is in life support and has all its performance characteristics removed.
a faster w11 would require forcing all programs to not be win32 ui instead.
@@HAKANKOKCUye
6 likesuwp itself is bad, but html is.... bruh
52 likes@@_kitaes_ right, but it’s still sad trend
66 likes"web view garbage" works without DWM, it's UWP that doesn't
189 likesWait until youtube strikes this video for NSFW because you removed windows 11 clothes
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This wouldn't be the first time he got striked.
0 likesLet's report for the lols
1 likeDon’t give YouTube ideas
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0 likesThis is why I am switching to Rumble because you can get away with it I'm thinking about switching to Linux Microsoft wants to breach everyone's computer not cool.
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2 likesLol
1 likeYou know... YouTube might do that...
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10 likesInside, we are all truly windows 7
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@@LEO_OfficerRaphaツ That is unrealistic as windows 7 uses NT, not MS-DOS
0 likes@IhaveagunTM ok I may get the nsfw part I guess but where is the incest
0 likesBro has the pfp from the nsfw game about furries and incest🗣
0 likesInside we are screens with keyboards hooked up@@DobroslawFabian
0 likesactually, we are all windows nt 3.1
0 likesFr 😂
0 likesNope, Windows Vista
0 likesvista*
0 likes@@sonicpika4ushka Huge part of Windows 7, parts of NT 4.0/XP and tons of spyware.
0 likesNice ...win 7 was the last true upgrade
0 likesThe real windows is the memories we made along the way
2 likesWe are no further than MS-DOS 6.22
0 likes@@sonicpika4ushka thank you puro
0 likesDenied.
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0 likesIt's an API, right?
Man, how are you going to say that? If UWP is actually a legacy of Windows 8. @@TheIndigoShine
0 likes@@LEO_OfficerRaphaツ I made Windows 10 look like Windows 98 but Linux can do a better job.
1 likeYay!
0 likesi made this comment in bed before sleep and did not even think i'd get 10 likes lmao
0 likesI agree
0 likes@@Lofote 🤓👆
0 likesWINDOWS 7!!!!
0 likes@@trongduc8659 i commented this half asleep honestly, i did not even think about vistas existance
1 like@sonicpika4ushka yippie@!!!!@!!+!!!!_/"/"_$"%<7/"_%:/6""6//""5='e5d2sSuper Idol的笑容都没你的甜八月正午的阳光都没你耀眼热爱 105 °C的你滴滴清纯的蒸馏水你不知道你有多可爱跌倒后会傻笑着再站起来你从来都不轻言失败对梦想的执着一直不曾更改很安心 当你对我说不怕有我在放着让我来勇敢追自己的梦想那坚定的模样Super Idol的笑容都没你的甜八月正午的阳光都没你耀眼热爱 105 °C的你滴滴清纯的蒸馏水你不知道你有多可爱跌倒后会傻笑着再站起来你从来都不轻言失败对梦想的执着一直不曾更改很安心 当你对我说不怕有我在放着让我来勇敢追自己的梦想那坚定的模样Super Idol的笑容都没你的甜八月正午的阳光都没你耀眼热爱 105 °C的你滴滴清纯的蒸馏水你不知道你有多可爱跌倒后会傻笑着再站起来你从来都不轻言失败对梦想的执着一直不曾更改很安心 当你对我说不怕有我在放着让我来勇敢追自己的梦想那坚定的模样Super Idol的笑容都没你的甜八月正午的阳光都没你耀眼热爱 105 °C的你滴滴清纯的蒸馏水你不知道你有多可爱跌倒后会傻笑着再站起来你从来都不轻言失败对梦想的执着一直不曾更改很安心 当你对我说不怕有我在放着让我来勇敢追自己的梦想那坚定的模样Super Idol的笑容都没你的甜八月正午的阳光都没你耀眼热爱 105 °C的你滴滴清纯的蒸馏水你不知道你有多可爱跌倒后会傻笑着再站起来你从来都不轻言失败对梦想的执着一直不曾更改很安心 当你对我说不怕有我在放着让我来勇敢追自己的梦想那坚定的模样Super Idol的笑容都没你的甜八月正午的阳光都没你耀眼热爱 105 °C的你滴滴清纯的蒸馏水你不知道你有多可爱跌倒后会傻笑着再站起来你从来都不轻言失败对梦想的执着一直不曾更改很安心 当你对我说不怕有我在放着让我来勇敢追自己的梦想那坚定的模样Super Idol的笑容都没你的甜八月正午的阳光都没你耀眼热爱 105 °C的你滴滴清纯的蒸馏水你不知道你有多可爱跌倒后会傻笑着再站起来你从来都不轻言失败对梦想的执着一直不曾更改很安心 当你对我说不怕有我在放着让我来勇敢追自己的梦想那坚定的模样Super Idol的笑容都没你的甜八月正午的阳光都没你耀眼热爱 105 °C的你滴滴清纯的蒸馏水你不知道你有多可爱跌倒后会傻笑着再站起来你从来都不轻言失败对梦想的执着一直不曾更改很安心 当你对我说不怕有我在放着让我来勇敢追自己的梦想那坚定的模样Super Idol的笑容都没你的甜八月正午的阳光都没你耀眼热爱 105 °C的你滴滴清纯的蒸馏水你不知道你有多可爱跌倒后会傻笑着再站起来你从来都不轻言失败对梦想的执着一直不曾更改很安心 当你对我说不怕有我在放着让我来勇敢追自己的梦想那坚定的模样Super Idol的笑容都没你的甜八月正午的阳光都没你耀眼热爱 105 °C的你滴滴清纯的蒸馏水你不知道你有多可爱跌倒后会傻笑着再站起来你从来都不轻言失败对梦想的执着一直不曾更改很安心 当你对我说不怕有我在放着让我来勇敢追自己的梦想那坚定的模样
0 likes@@virtu0l777 yay
0 likes@@sonicpika4ushkayes puro, yes it is🔥🔥
0 likes@bwalimniad hol up is this writing fire
0 likes✍️🔥
0 likes@@alphatheprotogen idk but i also comment often on his videos so possibly lol
1 likeI have a windows 7 laptop in my house
1 likeThis man singlehandledly ended racism
1 likeI have windows xp is it trurly windows 7 inside?
1 likeIt's Windows Vista actually. And Vista (from post-reset builds to final RTM release) was based on Windows Server 2003 by the way.
2 likesIt's Vista, actually.
2 likesI'm actualy just a bunch of binary thank you
1 like@ real !!!
0 likes@@figboot Changed Mentioned
2 likeshmm changed pfp detected :3
1 likeWindows nt 3.51
1 like@@LEO_OfficerRaphaツ technically we are all truly NT3 since 1.0 was DOS based
2 likes@ windows hasn’t been based on DOS since Me
2 likesBasically still Vista/7 under the hood. Crazy
1 likealso nice pfp
2 likeshey didnt i see you in michael mjds video
1 likeNah not really, some of us are truly B A S H inside.
2 likesMS-DOS
0 likesThat's true and you can see that when your PC just sucks (mine)
2 likesNo actually is Vista
3 likesHonestly I couldn't agree more
0 likes@@atemocChanged mentioned
2 likes@@Jingyjognsy6 fair
0 likes@@Lofote oops.
0 likesTelemetrydows 7
1 like@@Lofote
0 likesAn application as simple as notepad shouldn't even need to be ported? I guess they could've just remade. Sure it can be used for programming and crazy stuff now, but I guess notepad still is supposed to be... Well a simple notepad.
And I'm surprised that nothing from Windows 8 gets reused. Not even the slightly flatter Windows 8 instead we get Windows 7 3D look of the window borders. Truly shows that even Microsoft kinda wanted to completely discard Windows 8 existence, which might be kinda bad actually? They could've reused more stuff instead of throwing away most of the really optimized though touch heavy interface.
2 likesCurrent Windows 11 eats so many resources because they didn't care and truly chose Windows to ditch hard drives. To be honest I think things could've gone even crazier! They could've taken Windows Phone as the main modern version of Windows and make it work with desktop hardware and keyboard and mouse input! Because much like what happened to their "little indie game" MINECRAFT they could've started a new and faster Windows OS. But yet they chose to take back a whole big step and simply took mostly programs and drivers from Windows 8 (like slidetoshutdown.exe) and slapped them into a quirky build of Windows and named it Windows 10.
@@techman_real Windows NT 3.1. There was no NT 3.11 ;)... Only WIndows 3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11.
2 likesWindows NT went from 3.1 to 3.5 and then to 3.51 ;)...
@@LEO_OfficerRaphaツ is funny
0 likesyeah
0 likesInside we are all Wimdows NT 3.11
0 likes@@Lofote true
1 likeThe ui went down to classic microsoft after a couple of teardown
2 likes@@DobroslawFabian Once again, WIndows 1.01 is not the root of WIndows 11, WIndows NT 3.1 is. Windows 1.01 was just a GUI addon for DOS. NT has absolutely no DOS code in the kernel. In fact it works completely different to DOS.
7 likes@@_kitaes_ Notepad program is unchaged since Windows Vista. Wordpad is Unchanged since Windows 8
0 likes@@_kitaes_ Yes, but thats an application, not the operating system kernel. And it has been ported to Win32 with NT 3.1.
5 likes@@Lofote DOS -> MS-DOS -> Windows 1.01
1 like@@Lofote notepad has been there since windows 1.0
0 likes@itsnotfunny73 windows nt 3.1 is the root. Windows 2000 is nt 5.0, so already quite some generations ahead
5 likes@@_kitaes_ what about notepad?
0 likes@@DobroslawFabian there is nothing from dos in the kernel, why should there.
6 likesim windows 7, you're Windows 7, everyone is Windows 7
1 likeWindows NT*
5 likesWrong, we are actually DOS Inside.
2 likes@@sonicpika4ushka Windows Vista
17 likes@@Lofote notepad:
2 likes@@LEO_OfficerRaphaツ definitely not. The first version of this kernel is Windows NT 3.1 from 1993. Windows 1.0 is completely different and there isnt even any win16 code present anymore.
24 likes@@Poya_1392 me too
0 likesPuro saying the truth
6 likesSo true
2 likesFr I have so many memories with windows 7
12 likes@@Malenku_nrunc we are machine code
16 likesNo we are doms actually
10 likesno, we are all truly windows 1.0
47 likesFun fact: if you open control center and then type C:\ or any drive into the address bar, windows 11 will switch back to the Windows 10 style explorer. And you don't need to break anything in the system for it.
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Oh yeah found that out lol
0 likesIt really works
5 likesBut anyway... Windows 10 style explorer still not a match for win 7 explorer
Cool
0 likesEnderman to Windows 11: “Let’s see who you really are!”
906 likes*unveils Windows 7
“Ok let’s put this disguise back on”
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@forg3214 no. its a mix of NT 5.0, XP, Vista and 8. and its a Windows 10 bootleg, so the core is Windows 10
0 likes@@SweetCloud0598 nt still used some code from 9x and previous versions
0 likes@forg3214 It has absolutely nothing of Windows 95/98/ME. All Windows since XP have been based on NT. What you actually have underneath are traces of NT from 1993, and then NT 4.0, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and all 500 versions of Windows 10.
1 likeIt's actually not just 7, but a sewn-together abomination of 95, 98, XP, Vista, 7 and 10. If it had a consciousness, it would try to kill itself because of the pain it's in
4 likes@@throwaway6478 dwm.exe was added in vista, not xp
0 likesi allways can see it because my laptop lags and not respond
1 like@@Lofote yes but NT5 builds have Windows 98 ui while Windows 2000 has a motified Windows Me ui
0 likes@Galaxy.Windows again... it was called nt 5.0 during development and then with beta 3 it was renamed to 2000. It is the same thing. There never was a rtm of nt5 with the name "nt 5.0".
1 likeI dont know how else to explain it ;)
@@Lofote i refer to build 1729 or 1279, but i dont know witch is the correct variation. anyway, its not Windows 2000 its Windows NT 5.0. you can see in the branding. thow i cant find the RTM of NT5
0 likes@@S1LLY_uhhhh-Takeachance2There was no "fallback" in that era. The "window manager" was in USER[32].DLL, windows/controls were drawn directly by it, and Windows 9x (and NT 4.0) replaced the 3.1 routines wholesale.
1 likeOnly when we had (relatively) large amounts of memory and disk space to burn in the XP era could we load two window managers at the same time - and that's where the "fallbacks" started.
@@S1LLY_uhhhh-Takeachance2 it got thanos snapped in windows 95
1 like@@Galaxy.Windows windows 2000 was called nt 5.0 until beta 3. It was just renamed at the end of development, is however the same project :)
1 like@@Lofote i think 3.1 fallback got Thanos snapped after 9x era
3 likes@linuxuser2064 i refer to a build from 1998 that came before Windows 98
6 likes@@linuxuser2064 NT 5 is just Windows 2000
9 likes@@Galaxy.WindowsNT 5 is technically Windows 2000, as that uses NT 5.0
22 likes*unveils Windows NT 5.0
17 likesWhy should it be disguised? Windows 11 is a successor of 7, of course it builds on it. The root is of course windows nt 3.1
43 likes*also unveils windows vista
81 likesIf you keep peeling windows 11, you will eventually reach windows xp and 3.1 and even the origin of the world and the Big Bang
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I know this is unrelated but give the Quran a read
0 likes@@TheCustomFHD Then again, MS-DOS had a big chain all the way to QDOS (quick (and) dirty operating system), which might be the reason having an app not work fully right could have it restarting over and over until it corrupts the memory, which is what i was mentioning. I mean, it WAS the base of Windows until XP (or nt workstation if that counts)
3 likes@@vinfinityremakerguyDOS isnt unstable, it just gave you, and everything it ran, full access to almost everything, as god intended
0 likes@@Lord-Sméagolsee idk about that — iirc NT was an entirely different beast built from the ground-up but programmed to be compatible with all the Windows APIs.
1 like(That’s why cmd has been a terminal emulator since Server and 2000 was “built on NT technology [sic]”)
So while the programs which originally ran on Windows DOS can be compatible, it’s because of the Windows, not the DOS.
@@Aeduo No
1 likeWas there ever a windows 7 basic compatible version of the XP Luna uxtheme?
6 likes@@Lord-Sméagol ah yes, the operating system that allowed you to corrupt the whole memory with one app, which wasnt used after windows 98/2000 due to how unstable it is
13 likesYou forgot DOS :)
18 likesI have a theory that MS forbids employees working on Windows to touch any shell32 code at all, or maybe everyone who knew what the hell the code did pre-Windows 8 is gone, so they just keep on piling on shells and skins over old Windows Vista/7 instead of really improving the underlying UI so it looks pretty while being backwards compatible. Windows XP and prior had a nice theming system yet they just throw it away and use UWP apps and DWM.
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@@realhamza2001 this is embarrassing but one time I got drunk and pissed on it. It was pretty funny I had to throw it in the garbage because of the smell 😭
0 likes@@realhamza2001 I will man, thank you for the reminder ❤️
0 likesI know this is unrelated but give the Quran a read
1 likethat kind of makes sense
4 likesA part of me feels comforted seeing the Windows 7 Basic theme on Windows 11. Maybe it's familiarity bias.
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@@mix3k818It's one thing to run the interface, and another to run modern applications. Back in the day, Windows 10 ran just fine with just 1GB of RAM... until you opened a couple of tabs in Chrome and a document in Word. You were already starting to need at least 2 GB of RAM, which in no time at all started to fall short and you already needed 4, until today when you need at least 8 GB.
0 likesOn channels like this they have shown that Windows 11 can run its environment with up to 512 Mb of ram, but realistically, you can't do much when today's applications demand much more from you.
They talk so much about "Linux working fine with 256 Mb" But in reality, you can't do anything with that amount these days, not even on Android, since 4GB is already starting to get too small for cell phones.
I see the Windows 7 Basic theme occasionally on my Windows 10 laptop, but that's also because it just wants to give up when I just have two programs running.
2 likes@@mix3k818 Yes, I got Windows 11 Ghost Spectre Superlite to idle on 0.5 GB of RAM.
0 likes@@ChocoRainbowCorn No. The bare minimum I have ever reached was 0.5 GB with Windows 11 Ghost Spectre Superlite after I further debloated it with ThisIsWin11, Mem Reduct to clean the RAM at every 10 minutes, and no apps open. Brave Browser alone takes up about 0.6 GB with the 70 tabs I keep open (only like 7 that I work with at a time). Games won't consume less RAM than usual either.
0 likes@@ChocoRainbowCorn Windows is a pile of shit, MacOS and Linux is proof of that. You have no idea what you're talking about, do you hold stocks in hardware companies? I don't understand why you're shilling for people to buy new hardware every 5 minutes.
0 likesMicrosoft literally do not give a shit about you, all they're interested in is holding their monopoly on software. There is literally NO reason Windows 10/11 should run the way it does on HDD or old hardware, just utter incompetence and maybe even a little malice, I'm pretty sure they work with the hardware companies and make their shit as bloated as possible and use cheap inexperienced engineers to make their shitty OS only work on the fastest hardware.
@LugiDergX lamayo
0 likes@@jonathan_emmanuel Nice comment. Too bad that you are the one who needs to get out and touch grass instead. First of all: What I'm saying is that you hardly need a decent PC, meaning even hardware from like 5 years ago will work. Second of all, I hardly have an "decent" PC myself, with parts at least an decade old since release date. So yeah, make of that what you will and get out there - Smell and touch some grass.
0 likesOn windows 11 when chrome was lagging it showed the basic windows 7 theme
0 likes@@ChocoRainbowCorn not everyone has the luxury to even spend money on a decent PC like whatever you got there. please get out and touch grass.
2 likes@@ChocoRainbowCorn you need a therapist
1 like@@ChocoRainbowCorn you can’t think your own arguments have merit when several people disagree with you. This was (from what I can see) a pretty pleasant discussion before you existed. If you don’t like it, just leave this reply section
2 likes@@pessoaanonima6345 I'm not saying I disagree with the idea, but at the same time, I do think my arguments still hold a lot of merit. I think the truth of the matter, the best solution working well for our reality, stands somewhere in-between. Neither my idea nor yours are perfect.
1 like@@justascreamingcat2964 Sure, fine by me. If that means you won't be taking me seriously, good for you, but I won't be you either. Good luck in life, basing your perception of people on such things. Besides, I doubt you would have literally anything worth talking about with you. Have fun ;)
3 likes@@Hardcore_Remixer Hell, as many Linux users would attest, probably even a little less memory than 1GB.
5 likes@@Hardcore_Remixer It shouldn't be, but if it is, here's your option. Also, although I knew that things can take VERY little RAM if you really try to slim down the system resource usage, I had no idea, you can reach 1 GB. Is that with considering multiple apps open that your typical user needs? Browser, maybe some music and documents?
2 likes@@ChocoRainbowCorn Here's the thing, debloating shouldn't be necesary and Windows shouldn't need a f*ckton of RAM for what can take literally 1 GB if debloated, let alone if it wasn't bloated in the first place.
7 likes@@ChocoRainbowCorn i thought about replying seriously but then i saw your pfp LMAO
9 likes@@ChocoRainbowCorn No one should need to buy new hardware for basic stuff. The idea that a device from 10 years ago will get obsolete and upgrades are necessary just to keep doing the same tasks is considered as natural for people nowadays, but it doesn't need to be like that. The only ones benefiting from this are the big corporations.
23 likesBesides, even if you buy something new, efficiency is important, and that includes not running unnecessary ui from years ago.
@@xFluing I think you are making this bigger of an deal than it actually is, and yet, 11 people are agreeing with you so far. Just get some decent hardware and do some debloating.
1 like@@ChocoRainbowCorn It does matter on a personal level even if you dont know all this nerdy shit. This affects even grandma who just wants to check the latest misinformation on facebook. She will see windows being slow and unreliable even if she doesnt care sbout the details
19 likes@@ewenlau727 In this particular case, I may be slightly inclined to agree. However, keyword: Slightly. Because really, I still see this as nothing more than typical complaints not worth paying any attention to, especially not from Microsoft's side. But on an personal level as well. Bye.
3 likes@@ChocoRainbowCorn No, it's the people caring about stability and performance.
31 likes@@xFluing Who cares about this exactly? Oh, I know. The people of this channel who are overly excited for all these things.
4 likes@@xFluing it doesn't, but i agree with overhead part
8 likesI kinda hate that because there's so much overhead they are creating for themselves, instead of rewriting the UI from the ground up and unhooking it from the kernel so that it won't freak out so much after installing something like cairo.
64 likesMicrosoft: New windows made from scratch
424 likesReality:New unstable build of windows vista!!!
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I know this is unrelated but give the Quran a read
0 likes@@throwaway6478because it’s d massive revision of Vista
0 likes@throwaway6478 Windows has a release cycle. Microsoft will release a windoes version. Then they release a new version with the same style. Then they make a new style but with similar functionality as the old version, then the cycle continues. Windows 7 was a function update to Vista
5 likes@@hatsumi_rou_No, Vista. I know you're too young to know this, but 7 barely qualified as a service pack for Vista.
24 likes@@hatsumi_rou_ 7 is vista
17 likesMore like 7
0 likesWhat's underneath Windows 11?
127 likesWell... NT, isn't it?
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yeah, I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Microsoft is committed to backwards compatibility. I'm not saying it's a good thing but of course just deleting new systems and libraries is gonna cause it to revert to older and older ones all the way back to Vista.
8 likeswindows'nt
24 likesI think the last time Windows made truly revolutionary changes was since Windows Vista. There are many improvements since Vista, but underhoood everything is still very much VIsta. And Windows 11 is just Windows 10 + new UI. If Microsoft wants, they can backport all Windows 11 features to Windows 10.
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Vista is truly revolution. But 7 make it perfect. Both of them are the most beautifully windows ever
3 likes@@vccsya this is super interesting, do you have a source where i can read more?
0 likesIf you copy all code from windows 11 into the old fork of windows 10, what do you get? Windows 11
10 likesWindows 11 is the w10 codebase after the abi freeze in 2020, theres no point to 'backport' to an older codebase
pseudo style history is kinda like this:
commit 1234.. pre 20H2
commit 1235.. 20H2 - fork here: 20H2 (build 19041-19045) (with UX backports from newer commits: 21H2, 22H2) - here is the "latest" version of windows 10
....
commit 1241.. windows server 2022 (build 20348)
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commit 1260.. windows 11 21h2 (build 22000)
commit 1271.. windows 11 22h2/23h2 (build 22621-2263x)
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commit 1301..windows server 23H2 (private/internal core edition newer than w11, older than ws2025, also used on xbox currently) (build 25398)
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commit 1355.. windows 11 24h2/windows server 2025 (build 26100)
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commit 1355.. windows vnext (<--- the real codebase is currently here, as of rn: build 27xxx)
The Enderman I love. Not that I hate your voice (contrary actualy), just seeing a video like this with captions reminds me of good old days :)
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Ender's got a hot voice
0 likesyea but i prefer voiced since im glued to the screen otherwise
5 likesWordPad is indestructible
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Up until now where they have begun removing it from Windows 11 installs...
2 likesThey said the same about pbrush, and yet...
1 likesolitaire too
2 likesfire wpf app 🔥
10 likes"Apps are work better after being deleted" is a phrase I never thought I'd hear
17 likesMakes sense. Vista was the last "big rebuild" of Windows, and everything since has been piled on top with a new NT version painted on if MS remembers. Kinda makes me wonder if they'll ever care enough to do it again nowadays.
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@@FruityKoala the macOS 'rewrite' was in 2000 and even then it was actually another OS (OpenStep) being reworked into becoming the successor of Classic. Modern macOS still runs on some of the Nextstep code but NeXT and later Apple were by far less hacky and more comprehensive when developing the OS further and modernizing legacy parts of it. Microsoft is mostly piling new stuff on to maybe halfway replace the legacy code instead of comprehensively modernizing/
0 likes@@mrjksirmacOS did a rewrite around 2020 so for old apps they just emulate them and it works really well. Haven’t encountered any issues with Intel-based app emulated
1 likeWill be interesting to see if they do a complete rewrite. I hope they’ve patented do
0 likesApple did it recently on MacOS in 2020 switching from Intel to their chips. To solve backwards compatibility they just did emulation which works flawlessly.
@@joj. I agree lot of old code is very unnecessary and useless
0 likes@@mrjksir Not necessarily. There's nothing stopping MS making a compatibility layer for old apps, they just think it's too much work and leave the old code lying around instead even though it makes modern Windows a hell of a mess.
3 likes@@joj. that'll break the compability of apps
0 likesMicrosoft: windows 11, a modern os
136 likesEnderman: It’s a modern version of windows vista.
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In the “The state of windows” video, Andrew said: I’m glad that Windows 11 can still do Windows 7 Basic
Microsoft: well if he likes it, we have to keep this historic theme
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@@hatsumi_rou_Vista, actually.
4 likesIt's windows 7
0 likesLooks like Windows 11 is just a Vista paint-job! :D
2 likeswindows is following the "if it aint broke, dont fix it" term with the fallback windows
4 likesfiguratively and literally
0 likeswhen your computer isn't working, just delete some core windows components, it'll work slightly better for you
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@@throwaway6478 This channel isn’t clickbait though. Unless you meant tutorial channels claiming to “boost performance”.
0 likesor even better, remove Windows entirely and install Linux
8 likesIt's pretty much the schtick of these clickbait channels.
4 likesyes.
0 likes>install windows 11
65 likes>look inside
>windows 7
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Vista*
6 likesit's just a windows vista with windows 7 theme that have windows 10 theme that have windows 11 theme
19 likesI believe Windows installing updates on the boot screen only happens when there’s an update to the System Firmware - Device Manager showed a warning icon next to it when you opened it a few moments earlier, probably saying that a reboot is required for it “to work”
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@@throwaway6478But it also appears when there are BIOS updates. It happens to me on my HP Elitebook every time I get a BIOS update via Windows Update.
0 likesYou can believe that, but you'd be wrong. PendingFileRenameOperations (which is used extensively by Windows updates and app installers) is processed right at the start of Session Manager initialization - or "on the boot screen", for you laymen.
7 likesYou can remove explorer too, replace it with winxshell amd you have a taskbar, desktop and basic start menu. You'll probably have a bunch of "class not registered" errors, but I'm sure its within your skillset to fix.
15 likeseverything is powered by windows 7 at this point
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Vista*
6 likesNot Linux. Was always better than windows. So the majority of servers are not powered by windows 7
1 likeAnd they just killed the stable windows 7 and leaves us with the windows 11 that it's build on unstable windows 7 build
8 likes@@gjkdshgkjshjkgdfg And then windows sever, cause it existed way before linux was even a thing.
0 likesactually most of the internet is powered by Linux
5 likesAnd what isnt powered by windows 7 is powered by windows 95...at best.
5 likesNaked Windows 11 is crazy tho
29 likesWhy does winlogon have that fallback login UI? Like you can see it's back from the days when Microsoft cared about the quality of their product, but it has all the features normal winlogon has. Was it ever used outside of fallback?
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@@huttyblueExactly, and there are versions of Windows server that can be installed without a graphical interface.
0 likesIt's used in server core, hyperv 2019 and azure hci
2 likesIt's for Windows Server Core.
5 likesThe answer is that Windows Server without the GUI uses it.
3 likes@huttyblue Yeah it did cross my mind, it would explain why it has all the features of the graphical logon, but it still bothers with opening a cmd window instead of just crashing.
0 likesIts probably there so you can login to things like servers that somtimes don't have a gpu or monitor.
18 likesMicrosoft: Wait, It's all 9x inside?
145 likesEnderman: Always has been.
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Actually, it's all Windows NT for X86_64 processors
7 likes@@Lofote nt 3.1 looks different
0 likesnt 4.0*
0 likesUhhh, Alright, Sorry I messed up.
1 likeThere is no 9x in there, why would anyone think that? Its windows nt 3.1
18 likesUhm... no? It's NT, Win9x isn't.
22 likesOr I guess in the post-XP Windows case, it's Windows 2000.
8 likes5:26 UAC throwing a fit at Andrew
32 likesI expected to see to the classic NT LogonUI, it seems Windows Server Core is using the fallback LogonUI
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classic one is handled by GINA, which no longer exists since Vista
2 likes"What's underneath Windows 11?"
7 likesthe NT kernel duh
Not sure if it's a downwards trend in software quality. It's just that most Windows 11 users don't delete DWM.
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exactly, and much of the stuff that works without dwm is also older than dwm itself
4 likesI can personally agree that each Windows version is more buggy than the last.
18 likesjust a heads up, the red bar in the thumbnail made me think i watched this already even tho it is brand new
12 likesUWP apps were a mistake
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@LugiDergX Since you're talking about misinformation, saying that Windows 8 was a system for tablets only is also Windows 8.x could be used on a desktop PC in the same way that Windows 8.x was used Windows 7 and any other previous version. Everything that worked in Windows 7 also worked in Windows 8.x.
0 likesWhich also had the usual desk. It wasn't just tiles like those who never used it think.
they are basically the windows equivalent of snaps on ubuntu
0 likes@@MickmickWashesThings_Official well i agree because the reason why Microsoft was forced to release windows 8.1 is was because of it
0 likesIs was so bad the release of windows 8 that skip 9 to release 10
@@ChocoRainbowCorn ok the first one is bad
0 likesBut the second and third are good because remember when windows rt got released back in the early 2010? Well at the time the Microsoft store was not use widely as today
I accidentally corrupted one of my drivers and UWP immediately stopped working. Couldn't use the settings app anymore. Very fun.
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0 likes@@ChocoRainbowCornWow people exaggerate shit lmao. Yeah of course there's probably the one person out there that uses it. But most people just get their shit from the websites
2 likes@@MickmickWashesThings_Official And yet, they were kept around, despite being problematic. Not sure how or why but they were. So there's that.
1 likeThey were meant for tablets (See Windows 8)
2 likes@@HAKANKOKCUwindows 8 was the one for tablets and the like. 8.1 bridged the gap between desktop and mobile succesfully IMO
0 likes@leojei its opposite at "using" part tho...
0 likes@@techgaming-on4wg That said, with everything I already put out, I still agree with you though. Mostly. But not entirely.
0 likesI think it’s a mistake from a dev standpoint, it just takes longer using WinUI 3 or directly using XAML than swing up a web app in an Electron. MS also failed to come up with a proper UI layer replacement (of Win32 UI) for rapid app development. Not everyone needed WPF and XAML. Things got better when they allow hybrid apps that use XAML and Win32 elements (e.g. Explorer and Task Manager) but that’s not a Win32 UI replacement either.
15 likes@@HAKANKOKCU For your Windows 8.1 comment, well yes, but Windows is not an OS primarily made for tablets now, is it? There's a good reason why it is amongst the worst Windows versions of all time. Or well, many reasons. But this is the biggest one.
1 likewindows 8.1 was kinda ok, it was just for "tablets" and it was doing its job, because they had to optimize it. now microsoft makes really bad and laggy codes and puts them as "layer" which lags stuff more
11 likes@@techgaming-on4wg Not nobody. That is what people like you like to say however, and that is spreading blatant untrue information around. Otherwise called misinformation.
7 likes@@Lofotebecause first nobody use it second they consume storgae and in some pc resources, also Microsoft oncr try with windows rt and failed because was 2012 and 2013 and at the time windows apps don't were much as today
21 likesWhy?
2 likesAlso a fun fact: Disable desktop composition on non-Microsoft apps via the compatibility tab in the app properties dialog, and you'll see the app running in the Windows Vista theme.
3 likesUnder my Windows 11 Machine is my Table.
8 likesBe careful with putting horizontal red lines near the bottom of the thumbnail, it made me think I already watched the video and I was about to scroll past
10 likeswhen i saw the notification of you premiering a vid it throwed me back in time when people were spamming aboba on the live chat on one of your vid premierès for no reason whatsoever
7 likeswindows vista is underneath
25 likesin some Windows 10 versions like 1709, you can run Windows XP explorer to get an functional Taskbar and Start menu
4 likesI love Microsoft's brilliant marketing, especially the part where they pretend to be futuristic.
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"Pretend" or "are"? There is an pretty big difference there. But I'm not sure if you would ever notice that.
1 like30 years ago they thought that we will have flying cars by now, but now we see a BrokenWin 11 based on NT(?, or at least Vista) skinned with fresh themes and "futuristic" AI on top.
2 likesThe login screen was made for Windows Server Core. So nothing strange here.
7 likesit's fun to see like this, and i'm glad that i discover your channel like a year ago, even though i don't fully understand, what happen
2 likesThe Server Core editions of Windows come without any GUI by default -- the LogonUI is the fallback one, and when you login, there is just a CMD script with administration options. It also comes with a Windows 8-like theme, but not quite (the window controls are still square instead of rectangle). I wonder, would it be possible to do this video, but in reverse, there? i.e. getting explorer and/or other GUI programs to run on a version of Windows that comes with no GUI by default.
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@@upseguestAll versions of Server Core have had the DWM since Server 2008. It's only been on by default since Windows Server 2012 however, for obvious reasons.
1 likeThe "8 but square" look to Server Core 2012-2022 is because those versions came with their own theme, called "Aero Lite" - and yes, it runs just fine on the the corresponding client edition (Windows 8.0 for Server 2012, Windows 8.1 for Server 2012 R2, Windows 10 1607 for Server 2016, and Windows 10 1809 for Server 2019 - Windows Server 2022 didn't have a corresponding client edition, but it may work on Windows 10 21H2 or later, I've just never tested it).
@@upseguest Oh, yeah sorry I don't have much experience with Windows Server Core, I only used Hyper-V Server before, and it was a long time ago. But if the new 2025 versions have DWM, surely that would be even more reason for it to be able to run GUI apps with a bit of elbow grease? I think I'll try to get an ISO when I come home and play around with it, it definitely seems interesting. Maybe even somehow mutate Server Core to have a full graphical shell lol.
1 likeAll windows server Core versions are like that, but ever since server 2025 they made it have DWM, from the 25xxx range of builds onwards
3 likesDEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS
7 likesIdea: You should strip Windows 11 back to basic or even classic (at the end), and port back all the win32 apps from windows 7 while using openshell for the task bar
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@@thesupremeorg sib/sab or explorer7
0 likesYes!
0 likes@wiktorwiktor12 I mean yeah but that's the only way I think of to restore a working taskbar, don't even bring up that stupid WinXShell thing
0 likesNever heard of open shell, but do you think it would be possible to revert and bring back some of the missing and messed up UI elements by modifying some new Windows files that were added in Windows 11 while also bringing back some other ones? All this done to, well, bring back Windows 7/Vista theme and some functionality.
2 likesalready is being done with 10to7 packs/mods, except without openshell, because openshell is quite mid
3 likesLove the video! I was always fascinated by how I would see a glimpse of the windows 7 basic ui after switching out of fullscreen mode in edge for the fraction of a second!
0 likesIn 15 years, it went from being perfectly usable on a potato without DWM and in a very minimal way to not working if you uninstall Edgr.
2 likesSo, the win2000 era theme customisation menu will probably work again!
2 likesI hate how they don't even remove these old parts, they just paint over them, like a cheap landlord
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@@throwaway6478exactly
0 likesYes, because (to extend your analogy) tenants just love it when they get "Error: The procedure entry point SomeOldAPICall could not be located in dynamic link library shell32.dll" when they try to plug in a heater or a refrigerator that's a few years old.
4 likes7:46, that's weird, I thought that screen only appeared for BIOS and driver updates when Windows boots first then hands it off to the BIOS.
2 likesit's funny how you can actually make classic theme fully functional with some patches
1 likebelieve it or not, this has been a thing as early as 98. as you may be able to see its trying to combine the classic 98 theme, 2000 and me, windows xp, windows 7, windows vista and windows 7 too. windows 7 is wearing the skin of 98 and so is xp, 2000 etc. and windows 8, 8.1, 10 and 11 are wearing the skin of windows 7 and then all the other windows oses post 98
2 likesWindows is like a project done by consultants. Years and years of layers holding on with spit.
1 likeI want Windows classic theme back
7 likesIt was interesting to see Vista under the hood. I hope one day to see Windows XP theme on modern Windows (I know it is possible on Linux, though)! :D
1 likeThanks for such deep dive!
I forgot I have membership on this channel •-•
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the SMW icons are cute
0 likesI'm guessing the reason that some apps don't display properly without dwm is because dwm is needed for mica transparency effects. All of Microsoft Edge's context menus, the explorer top bar, and the new explorer context menus have mica and didn't work.
1 likeI knew If you peeled off the front ui 'cover' it was windows 7 but I didn't realize the 7 window ui was a vista reskin
1 likei love seeing whats under windows, since it's always just older windows.
1 likeHmm... Possible to get back a style like ehats on Windows XP without the fancy LogonUI? Only a window, to login like Windows 95 ^^'
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Can you make one? Im sure it would be much better then the Microsoft one.
0 likesCool I'll check that out!
0 likesConsoleLogonHook
5 likesIt is possible with custom solutions. The LSA API is open but horribly documented. It's not very elegant either, but technically, it's possible to cook up a LogonUI replacement.
9 likesInside is some stuff that would qualify for life support as a human, such as:
1 likeAssembly code
I'm so glad to see your channel alive and thriving, man! ❤
0 likesSo fallback has a fallback, what about the fallback of the fallback fallback
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How do we switch to the 4.0 look?
0 likes@@mchenrynickNo, lowest you can go is an NT 4.0 look. The OS/2 1.2 look (what laymen call the "Windows 3.x look") was completely replaced.
4 likesEventually, programs and the border of the windows, look like Windows 3.1 LOL =)
0 likesWE NEED THAT TASKBAR BRO! I really liked the video(any video destroying Windows gets my like), and I really wanna emphasize that UWP can run without DWM, just really broken, you can write forever while loops in batch that continuously trigger the EXE, so the kinda broken thing appears, and the controls are still there, but not drawn.
0 likesMakesense win7 was so good that even Microsoft doesn't want to let of it
2 likesThis is amazing, I’ve been wanting to see this for years thank you
0 likesJust imagine malware deleting those files,would scare the crap out of me.
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@@monjurimabegum2861 if you can run things from TrustedInstaller - which you can, demonstrated by the video - then malware could delete those files.
0 likes@@monjurimabegum2861 First off, it's not SYSTEM, it's TrustedInstaller, and you can takeown Windows as long takeown is running as admin
0 likes@@monjurimabegum2861 Which are possible to obtain, or can be bypassed entirely.
0 likes@@monjurimabegum2861nothing stops malware for asking for system level privilages
0 likesnot possible for a malware because deleting those require SYSTEM level privileges.
0 likesI mean to be fair it's not surprising that new windows programs based on UDP need the process designed to draw things in UDP apps to work.
1 likeif windows 12 comes out in the future and it will rely on an NPU, i'm afraid my i9-13900H laptop will get obsolete :(
2 likesthe classic theme is my favorite, i wish we could have it on modern windows so bad
1 likeThis is a mashup between Win 98 (the titlebar gradient), Win 10 (taskbar?) and some Win XP, Vista, 7 and 8 elements.
1 likeNo wonder W11 is glitchy.
I think there is more layers that can be peeled off, once when I ran out of system resources, explorer switched to something that looked like the fallback from Vista, but with fonts from Windows 3. Sadly I don't have any screenshots and don't know hot to replicate it
1 likeWhat did you write on the keyboard at 2:39?
2 likesjust imagine if he restores the taskbar, it becomes Windows 7's taskbar.
0 likesThe last time I saw DWM working properly was from Windows 8.1. Starting from Windows 10, DWM is sometimes unstable, with strange bugs and glitches. For example, delay when moving a window.
3 likesNo Nut November 4, 2024 9:53PM
Your doing gods work...
0 likesAlso the end result is infinitely more usable than Windows 11
It really seems like there would be a way to make a completely stripped down version that works and distribute it as an easy to use script
When I read the title I was hoping it to be secretly Vista, wasn't too wrong xdd
2 likesdude i remember in windows 11, if you press windows + P in lock screen, gui could be w8 in some builds
1 likeI dont know if you know but if you click uninstall on notepad, it doesn't actually uninstall it, but it brings the older version of notepad, before it became UWP. It can be easily brought back by installing it on the Microsoft Store.
0 likeswhat if microsoft finally tried to make a new Windows from scratch, I feel like having so many layers of stuff is just garbage
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This is where macOS and iOS win
0 likesGreat video as always Enderman!❤
0 likes“Despite everything, it’s still you.”
0 likesCongratulations! It’s a good progress to remove the scaffolding of Windows 11 UI. This also put the light on very concerning design issues as illustrated by all the border effects you shown in this video. Can you step by automated in some ways ?
0 likesWell, I mean who would touch those 50M lines of code to reinvent the DWM. Rather, its much better for Microsoft and almost every dev out there to make it on top of the existing apis. Just like how a newer version of a programming language is made on top of the existing code of the programming langauge.
1 likeText mode LogonUI looks nice.
1 like10:04 because the explorer context menus are radicated. You need to eradicate them with Windhawk.
0 likesYou could try to replace windows 11 explorer by the windows 10 or 7 explorer
2 likesEdge doesn't work probably because the version of it installed by default is a UWP app and removing DWM removes most of the context menus and title bar of Edge. However, the fact that it's totally not usable is a mystery, all the webpages and even the settings page are essentially written on JS, HTML, CSS
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Chromium Edge isn't is a UWP app like old Edge which was actually on UWP, he could use --disable-gpu in launch flags for edge, chrome could refuse too but somehow detected and started with --disable-gpu by default, firefox (and other browser based on FF) only runs fine without issues with rendering without dwm.
2 likesthe screen at 7:51 actually shows up when you preform a bios update. its copying updates files to a temporary directory whilr it shows that screen.
0 likesConsidering Windows Server without desktop experience runs on this fallback GUI and doesn't shows anything like your cmd.exe quirck, maybe you could compare the difference and have a cleaner version, without the invisible cmd.exe waiting for input.
0 likesIt would be nice if the LogonUI fallback was also a mode called "CLI Mode" or something. It's sad that they made it only a fallback.
2 likesEdit: Although you can just delete, rename, or even change the permissions on Windows.UI.Logon.dll
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@@Arctic123YTI personally prefer to fiddle the ACLs myself (rather than rename or delete), because it doesn't result in... unexpected behavior when this month's CU rolls around. As long as you don't deny TrustedInstaller access to the file(s), you're golden.
1 like@@throwaway6478 So it is intentional? I might try that on my daily driver PC.
1 like"Console Mode Logon" (that's its name) is the logon interface of Server Core editions since 2016/version 1607. Server 2016/version 1607 actually had a registry switch to choose which one you wanted - which, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough, depending on how much you know about how Windows is built - worked on Windows 10 1607 too.
2 likesBut Microsoft got smart: they realised that they didn't need any registry switch, they can just switch mode based on whether Windows.UI.Logon.dll is present (which is where most of the "logon screen", as you know it, lives), and remove that file from Server Core editions, saving ~3MB of disk space in the process.
Armed with that knowledge, what do you think would happen if you put a SYSTEM->Deny->Read and Execute ACE on %SystemRoot%\System32\Windows.UI.Logon.dll, or outright deleted that file?
You can still enable the high contrast theme to set a theme similiar to classic
0 likesThis logon in text mode reminds me of windows server in command line only version. I guess @enderman uncovered this remnant of the old server that Microsoft discontinued
1 likeI was playing Minecraft the other day and I accidentally clicked on the top edge of the window, which lets me resize it. When I dragged my mouse up, it resized like normal but underneath the top bar, a a windows 7 style bar appeared
0 likesOnion has layers, ogres have layers and windows 11 has layers
1 likeDoing this is like paint stripping a wall. First you get windows 10, and finally windows 7. And that's when you realize how pointless it all was
1 likeFinally someone proved that windows 11 is just another overlay like windows 10 and 8 was. It’s still windows vista/7 in its roots!
1 likei'm now excited to see video about how to make windows 11 have everything in classic mode without those new menus and ribbons
1 likemy first year of membership is coming lol
1 likeproof that windows 11 was the friends we made along the way
0 likesLol at the thumbnail red bar, was think is video i watch before, then see 2hrs ago
1 likeMAN I LOVE WINDOWS (except for the bloatware and spyware on modern versions)
1 likeSuch under the hood stuff, so fun to watch.
That's why I was able to downgrade my Windows 11 laptop to Windows 10 with just one display related issue, both on win11 when updating drivers and Windows 10 when I installed the driver. There must be a reason RTX 4000 series supports Windows 7. Heck, the 3000 series of drivers can run on Vista SP2!
0 likesNow it is all windows pre-XP, XP, Vista, and 7 design features. That is all hidden under the windows 10 and 11 designs. idk about windows 8 and 8.1.
0 likesmicrosoft: hmm yeah let’s give all the newer windows undercover newer but it’s win7.
0 likesenderman: I WILL FIND YOURE SECRETS
The system update on boot is Windows thinking there’s a BIOS update.
0 likesactually some pages looks exact same as in Windows XP
1 likeHello Enderman, i have a suggestion: Can you try if windows repair can fix all of that after you are done with it? Would be really interesting to see :)
0 likes"it's all Vista?"
0 likes"always has been"
Bare Windows 11 is an abomination like the Navigators in Dune
0 likesIts all Windows 7
7 likesAlways Has Been
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It's actually Vista.
2 likesIt can't be overstated just how much Windows 7 was just a marketing move to shut up poors who grizzled "hurrdurr Vista sux".
As demonstrated by 4chan's /g/, this comment section etc., it worked, too.
Windows 10 RTM and TH2 has the classic theme hidden
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really?
0 likesMembers first (TM)
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hola fran
1 likewake up babe enderman uploaded
2 likesMicrosoft is lazy to build new features on new code, instead using old technology, old source code to build new features (based on Windows NT 4 and Windows NT 4 is still present in Windows 11 today, is just covered with modern uwp "layers".)
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@@_kitaes_well it is
0 likesMost of modern Windows based software uses the NT kernel, and MS is all about backward compatibility, so don’t expect anything different
0 likes"AcTuAlLy It'S fOr BaCkWaRdS cOmPaTiBiLiTy"
2 likes@@rockpie.iso.tar.bz2 "AcTuAlLy It'S fOr BaCkWaRdS cOmPaTiBiLiTy"
0 likesactually it's for backwards compatibility
3 likesNot really. Also, some people on this channel claim that the extreme backwards compatibility is amongst the biggest security fears in Windows. To that I say: It's really not. In fact, if we are supporting Windows 95/98 era apps to an certain extent by default, they should bring back full support for that and reintroduce DOS app support on x64/64-bit system versions, including 16-bit apps in general too. Really, all that would need to be done for such extreme backwards compatibility to work well security-wise, would be to just look at that old code and make it secure again - Or as secure as it can get. Microsoft just doesn't exactly care about that.
2 likesWell on the beta wiki you see the earliest version of every windows and use the previous windows, example windows 7 who use Windows vista as the base
3 likesit's not bad as long as you replace the skin instead of putting new one on
11 likesHere's a fun game:
0 likesTake a shot each time DWM is mentioned.
Did you know that recovery mode and windows setup use windows 7 icons. Some of the uis are still modern
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They're Vista icons, not 7 icons.
2 likesShould of somehow tried to remove the fallback color scheme after it turned into the broken Classic / 9X theme just to see what happens.
0 likesarc will hate you for this...
1 likewindows 11 really is held by hopes and prayers
0 likeswould running explorer patcher on this instance bring back the taskbar and start menu more so than the attempt you made? genuinely curious
0 likesI'd be shocked if this doesn't get taken down lmao
0 likesmom: we got windows 11 at home
0 likeswindows 11 at home:
I can imagine the Windows Vista team is laughing from their basements at all the people that said their work was terrible for over a decade when the people start to realize that Vista was the last actual major Windows update and every version since has been a game of try not to break Vista because nothing else will work if it fails.
0 likesIt absolutely baffles me why Microsoft refuses to update the DWM-less windows resources, given that they’re used in the setup and can even still appear on slow PCs. It would take so little time to update the bitmaps like Rectify11 does, but they haven’t touched them in like 17 years. Blows my mind.
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Besides, WDDM is already present in even the most essential areas of the system, including the BSOD, the bootscren and the recovery, so these elements also run in DWM.
0 likesBecause DWM is the future and having a rendered interface gives a lot of play to graphical effects and making the interface more modern. Almost all modern operating systems already have graphical interfaces hardware-accelerated, even Android. Microsoft must keep up with the trends in the environment.
0 likesWhile reactOS can afford to remain just a prototype 25 years out of date.
Why would the app ribbon & browser window be dependent on DWM... What the heck Microsoft?
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@throwaway6478 Man, acting like you are dyslexic, is the lowest level of trolling. BORING!
1 likeYes, drawing UI is a multi-stage process. And hurr-durr... you forgot to mention GPU driver & API.
What does it have to do with topic of the video & the fact that utilities in Windows 11 require multiple UI libraries at the same time?
@throwaway6478 Oooh, that's why I need multiple versions of window managers & compositors running at the same time, to draw different parts of Windows application.
1 likeMakes so little sense now, I am considering you are just copying stuff from GPT.
@@DriftJunkieThe nocoder now admits he doesn't even know how an X server works. The clue is in the "server" part. 🤣
1 likeAnd that's just the beginning: the Quartz compositor in macOS, the display server in your $19.99 ex tax Android phone, etc. work exactly the same way. So yeah, you're pretty bloody ignorant, even by nocoder standards.
@@DriftJunkieNow the nocoder is admitting he doesn't know what an X server is and/or how it works. This is absolute gold. 🤣
1 likeSeriously kid, there's still time to delete your shame and run back to Reddit where you belong.
@throwaway6478 Damn nocoders thinking that whatever Microsoft implemented is undisputable, sacred truth. Relying on external running processes for drawing UI is just nuts. 🙈
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1 likeClient/server means it must be on separate computers
And there it is - even after I specifically mentioned COM servers. Nocoders, every time.
@throwaway6478 You would know that this is unnecessary on a local machine. If you were a programmer.
1 like@@DriftJunkieCOM servers are a great example of a library that won't work unless their host application is running. There are tons of other examples, such as libraries that interface to a back end of some sort - which, indeed, is how DWM works: it's a client/server architecture, like most of the lower-level parts of Windows NT.
1 likeYou would know this stuff if you were actually a programmer - but you're not, so you don't.
@@throwaway6478 I see you are not a programmer, cause stopping a DWM process shouldn't be a reason for libraries routines to be inaccessible.
2 likes@@ChocoRainbowCorn I think I found the guy that says "there is nothing to hide". BTW there is no serious computer guy that is funny at party, you can be one you cannot be both. The funny guy is usually a BA guy catching b*tches lol, and he has nothing to do with computer.
0 likes@@throwaway6478 probably there is only Paint (older version), Wordpad and Snipping Tool uses the same ribbon style as 10 explorer. Which kinda defeated your logic. It's not like the context menu that has like 10 different styles in total.
1 likeThis comment section:
0 likeshurrdurr windows is so slow bloated
Also this comment section:
why do they call routines in the DWM - a library that's always running, and therefore in memory and doesn't need to be loaded - instead of duplicating it for every program that has ribbons?
I know you guys aren't programmers, but seriously, apply some logic.
You are not supposed to remove DWM nobody care
1 like@@ChocoRainbowCorn this is my personal opinion, but i would. Not "caring for that stuff", would make me sound like one of those isheep consoomers, who consume product, then get excited for next product and repeat the cycle.
4 likesIf i didn't cared at all, then i'd just be another mindless consumer not caring at all what MS does. Or google for that matter.
Unless you mean something else, in which case i don't know.
If im gonna buy something, it must be something i like, and something that i need information about it, before i make the choice to buy.
@@Wake_up._This_isnt_your_world You sound like an guy that is fun at parties. "Spywaresoft" - Good one. Well yeah, they sort of are that. So? There's plenty of other, more annoying changes that I could list out for you, more than some outdated privacy when it comes to large corporations. If you take yourself seriously, which hardly anyone does nowadays apparently, you wouldn't really care for that stuff.
1 likeI think explorer now is half UWP half Win32, and i think UWP is dependent DWM.
4 likes@LugiDergX Yes. I like to call MS "spywaresoft", because it's what they do nowadays.
0 likesIf you want to use win11, they really force you to use a MS account, straight from the OOBE. Even in 10, the OOBE didn't forced you to create a MS account, because a MS account should be optional, not a requirement.
Afaik, you can bypass that with command prompt on the OOBE, or just sign in to your supposed MS account, by simply typing "defaultuser0". It gives you a error, but afterwards, it will skip you to the offline account creation, aka the local account creation.
Of course, im not familiar with the newer OOBE releases, so im not sure if they patched that yet, but i wouldn't be surprised if they did, despite the fact that the OOBE, ironically, is open source. (i believe enderman said it in one of his videos here)
I do agree with you about the taskbar. The old formula was great and nobody complained about it, but spywaresoft had to fuck it up with 11 somehow, didn't they? I really hate the new context window when you right click at something. I want the good ol' trusty context window back, not this new, UWP nonsense. (and really, why move the taskbar icons to the middle, and not give us a option to change their positioning to the left, like what 10 had? Or change them to the right for instance)
But yh, the whole thing about MS being "spywaresoft", is how they forced recall on you, and you can't uninstall it. (unless you have trusted installer privileges)
That, and that thing about forcing bit locker encryption too. Next thing you know, MS will force syskey on everyone, like those old "microsoft tech support" scammers did back then LOL.
@@Wake_up._This_isnt_your_world "Spywaresoft" - Good one. Are you possibly again one of those Microsoft haters of the old? I forgot that's what you guys do. While you are right to an certain extent, this is your typical anti-Microsoft behavior. Fun to see that on this channel, although it's full of that to be fair. If anything, wanna know what's worse than Recall? That's right - Many unnecessary changes to Taskbar (Start Menu/Menu Start is fine in my opinion), no more offline logging in unless you force it (including the removal of the whole Guest account functionality - and before you say anything, as far as my knowledge goes, no, it does not exist, and the tutorials you find online for turning it back on, do not, in fact, turn it back on, although I never researched what they do exactly instead), bit-locker drive encryption on fresh installs AND, rather obviously, new hardware requirements that aren't realistically needed. There are a couple other things here and there, mainly related to removal of a lot of old features and apps, including straight up downgrade UI changes in apps like Paint (look at the ribbon and tell me, why would you remove the whole section for copying/pasting things? because a bunch of people don't need it?) and Windows Explorer/File Explorer, but Windows 11 is most likely 3rd best Windows version aside from 10 and 7. And no, I'm not counting the whole Settings app VS Control Panel debate, as that one is pointless - Settings app works just fine, but to be taking this long to make a full transition from one to the other is where the real pain is.
0 likesBecause it's the future old man! Haven't you heard? Futuristic things need lots of redundancies and other stuff, just so they don't break apart, unlike older tech XD.
5 likesBut seriously, this is spywaresoft we're talking. They're more busy trying to find ways on how to force recall on every newer computer that you can't uninstall, so that they get every single drop of juice of data from you. The rest isn't important. What's priority is how do they steal private data from you.
I can kind of see, that DWM could be used to handle Tabs of multiple instances of the same executable. But... why the whole ribbon?
2 likesI wonder what would happen if you replaced some files with their windows 7 versions.
0 likesMaybe the true windows 11 was the windows 7 we made along the desktop window manager…
0 likes9:31 no shit buddy wordpad literally is indestructible
0 likes9:19 why is there the winaero ad?
2 likesyall saying windows 7 theme but it was there from the first nt version windows nt 3.1
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Actually, the UI is Vista. NT 3.x looked rather different (like Windows 3.x - or to be more precise, OS/2 1.2, which makes sense when you learn about NT's original development), then it was (roughly) the same UI for NT 4.0 and Windows 2000. XP mixed it up a bit by having a theming engine, but it wasn't deeply integrated into the display stack like DWM is, and could be turned off easily without any loss in functionality - unlike DWM, which has always punished you with performance and functionality losses since Vista, despite being technically optional in Vista and 7.
1 likeOne of his videos has the entire smash hit song list btw
0 likesWe could replace Explorer and log on ui with the windows 7 ones.
0 likesWhy can't Microsoft stop building on older windows versions and just make a new one and attempt backwards comparability ;-;
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Because it's building it on older versions that makes it backward compatible.
1 likeImagine doing it your way: every routine, from drawing a window to allocating memory, rewritten every single version.
Imagine how long that would take. Imagine all the testing you would have to do to make sure it's right. Imagine what an absolute waste of time and effort it is.
@@Waludalf It doesn't sell, because contrary to the popular belief of the gray masses, hardly ever cares about it, unless it is significantly visible, which is not the case for hardware, which, for many people works just well, smooth and fast enough. Otherwise though, your comment is right on and I fully agree with it.
2 likes@vccsya the more you build onto something the sooner the day comes where it falls apart, you can't just "make" a new OS right on, it takes time, planning, resources, etc. I reckon the ram usage, storage usage, CPU usage, GPU usage can be cut IN HALF at least, when done correctly, keeping backwards comparability, from what I've seen fishing around windows, their updates only build on top of each other, the kumulative Updates are somewhat better but still, it's a pyramid of windows, if they were to at least rewrite it all from a recent stable point, that would already work wonders, however "performance doesn't sell" apparently.
3 likesthat is not how operating systems work.
2 likesexample: macos is an ancient old codebase that gets improvements and some new paint (ui) every once in a while too, but its at the core still the same codebase as it was a decade ago
same for linux where you could easily take a 15 year old linux system and replace the kernel and it would boot and run just fine, cause in the end its the same project and codebase
you dont "make something from 0" its a waste of time and would have YOU complain that your programs and games and whatnot dont work cause they arent updated or are buggy cause the devs of the apps/programs didnt migrate to the new codebase correctly.
operating systems evolve, they dont get replaced with something new and shiny. all you ever get to see is maybe a different ui and developers get to use new features. its how oses work
@@techgaming-on4wg He's not just "any" YouTuber, mind you. He's fairly well known, in this rather particular community, which I half-love but also half-hate.
0 likes@@Waludalf Nah, the kernel is ok and good designed. It is some things that are not so well designed in the UI. Plus many issues are there BECAUSE it is so compatible to very old software, so many things need to stay in, because it would break some business software here and there.
6 likes@Lofote that's the thing, it's that huge due to it just piling up, that's why I'm saying this at all
2 likes@@Waludalf You are aware how huge the source code is to built current Win11? :)... Thats not something that can be "done new" in a matter of a few years.
3 likes@@Lofoteso backwards compatible that even a YouTuber manages to run the first version of Microsoft explorer
1 like@Lofote still, at this point just make a new one and then try to add comparability instead of building upon old blocks of breaking software
2 likesWindows is very backward compatible. Compare that to apple macos x.
6 likesAlso, if you do bcdedit /set bootux basic it will reveal the windows vista boot screen
0 likesWhy does bro have the Latvian langue pack??
1 likei swear i saw this video before I'm tweaking
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@@throwaway6478 what? I'm a punishing OS don't you get it?
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Never gonna give you up. Never gonna let you down. Never gonna desert you and tell you a lie (That's the only lyrics I know from Never gonna give you up lol).
@@Windows2000Professional.sIt's a shame, I expected more from the greatest desktop OS ever to exist. 😢
1 like@@throwaway6478 your username COMPLETELY checks out. 💀
0 likesYeah, it's a ripoff of LagLife's video.
1 likeWin 11 = win 7 as base+ win 8 uwp + win 10 theme + win 11 functions and design
0 likescool stuff, but it's ridiculous that depending on a modern rendering system is what you call a "downwards trend in software quality" and you call the things that depend on it worse...
0 likesThat explains why windows 11 is more laggy than the others. They are all one windows.
0 likesits a window 10, when the day will come when there will be a good windows like 7 with light , arm version and normal version
0 likesUnder my Windows are some Flowers.
0 likeswho am I kidding, windows 11 is at its core just lightly modified version of windows vista
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@@LukeIsASmurfI'm sorry that you don't understand the word "you" is plural. You even admit you said nothing for or against Vista. So your desperate request for victimhood is DENIED - especially after yesterday.
1 like@@throwaway6478i never said anything positive or negative about vista. maybe it's your ignorance that made you reply like that.
0 likesYes, it's well-known that the kernel really hasn't changed much since Vista. It can't be understated what an absolute revolution Vista was. It's why your opinion of Vista isn't just a check of your socioeconomic status in the late 00s, but also an IQ test.
1 likeyou should try switching explorer for an older version
0 likesこれ見てると、見た目はWin11でも根っこは以前のWindowsが残ってるんだなぁって思うと、昔に比べると作り込みが甘い？気がするなぁ・・・
1 likeベーシックテーマやクラシックテーマの上に今のWindowsのテーマが被ってるって感じ。
無駄な部分を全部削り取ったらもう少しパフォーマンス上がったりするんかなって気がするけど、コスパ悪いんだろうな。
自分も気が向いたらこの動画でやってること試してみよう。
I’ll always be surprised that all Microsoft does is add layers of garbage on top of Windows Vista
3 likesIntresting how the fallback ui is used for windows server 2021/2023/2025 core
0 likesi have no idea why windows started to run slower and slower when its the same thing from years ago
0 likesWindows 7 theme on windows 10? Thats what you reached now, i was dreaming of it in 2022, ur the best
1 likeQuick edit, you even reached the fallback theme from vista? Windows 7 basic and fallback theme from vista in one video, i love it
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@ No
0 likesWindows 7 is Vista.
0 likesI cannot unsee this now
0 likesControl panel > Setting app
1 likeso basically themed windows 8.1
0 likeshey enderman is there any possible to get mod without paying super chat?
1 likeIt actually looks and feels cleaner and better without all that useless UI shit
0 likesLet's see you turn windows 11 into DOS!
0 likesI always wanted to see the binary code of something running in real time...
0 likesBasically it's windows 7 with a windows 11 blackground
0 likeshow do you come up with this
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He stole the idea from LagLife.
0 likes✨️ Magic!
4 likesMsft having edge browser be dwm-only is a good thing for efficiency.
0 likesWhats different? its using the correct swapchain flipmode, which shares framebuffer with dwm to avoid unnecessary copies
You complain about an unsupported scenario, like with many other parts where you say the lack ui elements where dwm is required is a regression.
What i can agree with is that explorer gets worse and worse over time, but the reliance on dwm is not the reason for it.
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They are the kind of people who think that today, in 2024, everything should be like it was in 2003 with the Windows XP era.
0 likes10:52 Is it just me or do those icons looks like the Windows XP shortcut bar? (or whatever you call it)
0 likesdudes got the chernobyl keyboard lol
0 likesthe swifties never forget
0 likesI wonder what happens if you delete the windows 11 layers and replace them with the windows 7 ones.
1 likeWhat's the keyboard @ 2:44
0 likesWhat if what was underneath Windows 11 was completely black.
1 likeThis would be perfect for trolling scammers! I'm going to modify my VM right away.
0 likesBro removed the covers of "Windows 11"
0 likesI thought it said "What's underneath windows 117"
0 likesGuys, it's not "Windows 7 underneath". It's an appearance introduced in Vista named Windows Vista Basic, which was a lighter alternative to Windows Aero.
0 likesIs it possible to make a purely command line version of windows? Even if custom software is involved?
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There are already some. They are the Server Core versions of Windows Server.
0 likesThe real reason you can't use windows 10 without DWM is because other system programs depend on it and will basically crash if it's not present?
0 likes"hardware accelerated mouse inputs"
0 likes2:48 It's me maybe :)
0 likesWas this a clean install? Dark mode looks weird.
0 likestested it, it runs pretty fast wothout the ddwm trash.
0 likesmaybe the explorer would work if you replaced it with a Windows 7 or a Windows 10 one. I'm not 100% sure how the explorer works though.
0 likesIt’s basically windows NT
0 likesMicrosoft realized they made their most stable piece of software with Windows 7 and just decided to build on top of it. Nothing will ever come close to 7
0 likesThey need to bring back a 'classic windows' skin that dramatically improves how windows performs before I would even THINK about considering running windows again.
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No, the "classic Windows" skin has inferior in performance to DWM. Windows Classic has no hardware acceleration whatsoever for starters, and there have been changes every release since Vista that, while "hardening" the GDI code, also make it slower.
1 likeThere's a video out there demonstrating just how slow the GUI becomes on Windows 7 when you use Classic theme.
this is basically the os equivalent of degloving someone 😭😭
0 likesYou should've used 24h2
0 likesIs there a way to do this with Windows 10? I'd love to get Windows 7 style theming on everything again. I use a combination of programs to imitate it, but it's nowhere near perfect.
0 likesEdit: I also wonder if there's a way to patch in old theming resources.
I miss Windows Classic Theme 😓😢
1 likeWhere did you find out the -d thing for task manager?
0 likeswhat tiny11 does to your OS:
0 likesBack to old days omfg 😁😁😁
0 likesThis title opens up to a perfect "your mom" joke.
0 likesWonder how much of this can be fixed up to make a like, Windows 11 for potatoes edition. Some stuff might just work a lot better without needing reliable hardware acceleration on hardware that doesn't provide it particularly well.
What's underneath the 11th window in the building, today we'll find out. Insert Endermach Tech Tips Intro
5 likesEvery Windows after Vista is a reskin with more added to it(eg UWP)?
0 likesSo.. when you run an XP or Vista app, you're running a piece of that OS right? 😮
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@throwaway6478 I grew up with 9x but nice try though. I don't even remember making this comment as I would have been half asleep.
1 likeIn future, you and your upvoter keep your remarks to yourself. I am not causing any harm to you. Even if I was young
Grow up do something useful 😂
@@Lofote that's true.
1 likeSorry I must've made this comment late at night wtf
@throwaway6478 I'm a gen Z and started on Windows 9x. Nice try though
0 likesIn fact I don't remember making this comment, so no matter the cringeness it doesn't count. What are you and your stupid af upvoter smoking exactly? It is not that deep bro maybe you should touch grass?
Windows Vista rebuilt parts of the kernel so it is different to XP, hence some types of drivers stopped working. There have been no major overhauls since then
@@LofoteYou have to keep in mind how young the audience for these videos is. Most of them are too young to know anything before 7 existed, and the 5% who aren't, think XP was where the universe began.
2 likesWhy "after vista"? Vista after xp/2003, xp after 2000, nt4 after nt3.x, ... also changed the designs.
3 likesUnderneath windows 11, it is win 10
0 likesWhy would using keyboard to navigate windows ui be a flex??
0 likesshort answer: windows nt
1 likeEnderman should stop with his hatred for Windows 11, with the right PC, it is the ideal version of Windows
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But this experiment was perrty good
1 likeWindows 11 is like an onion. Its outer layers are ugly and it makes you cry.
0 likesgives me feel of nostaliga frfr
0 likesDon’t put a red bar at the bottom of your video i almost scrolled away thinking i already saw it
0 likesmicrosoft on his way to make a fallback theme to a fallback theme to a fallback theme of a trash theme.
0 likeswhile they're there couldn't they just let user pick?
Really amazing video! I never thought anyone would bring out Windows 7 UI in Windows 11 since it has a lot of UWP integrations. Very surreal and weird to see that.
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There's no "Windows 7 UI". It's Vista.
1 likeYou made the old Version?
0 likesbelieve it or not, this has been a thing as early as 98. as you may be able to see its trying to combine the classic 98 theme, 2000 and me, windows xp, windows 7, windows vista and windows 7 too. windows 7 is wearing the skin of 98 and so is xp, 2000 etc. and windows 8, 8.1, 10 and 11 are wearing the skin of windows 7 and then all the other windows oses post 98
0 likeshey i tried this on my Windows 10 but its flashing and explorer isnt working
0 likesWhats so important about DWM? Is it bad apps ars using it? I mean, what do uou have problem with, that apps are using newer libraries?
0 likesIt goes back to Vista and windows 7 versions which are worser than windows 11
0 likesPlease make a tut on how to do this properly I would love to do it
0 likesTry This On Windows Server 2016 And Windows 10 Anniversary Update.
0 likesThis is not windows 7 is you were a programmer you would know that these are different window borders in winui that are still included in windows 11 for backward compatiblity with olded apps
0 likesWait so it’s just Vista?
0 likesIt’s always been Vista.
i am shocked that he uses a white keyboard.
0 likesWait. So Windows 11 is just a crap over a crap over a crap over a Windows 7?
0 likesI thought making basically everything depend on one object was a terrible design choice made by bad and/or inexperienced developers, not a billion dollar corporation. Looks like M$ has gotten to a new level of laziness.
0 likesIt look like the screen of tab in windows 95
0 likesWhy can't they make new windows from scratch? why they have to have component from every windows? Like we saw windows 10, 7 and xp themes.
0 likesThey should have just stopped at windows 7...
0 likesWe all live in the same home
0 likesDoes anybofy know how to get vmware player? I need it for vming, i am tired of qrmu and virtualbox
0 likestry the newer Ms Paint in the deskinned W11.
0 likesnice keyboard
0 likesnow someone needs to port all the windows xp programs to replace the windows 11 ones and i'll finally upgrade to that piece of garbage
0 likesHow did you record the video if you restarted the pc?
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@@stephaniethebatter7975There is one piece where he actually uses a real motherboard with Core 2 Quad. In this case, he uses a video capture card to record the BIOS.
0 likes@@Suinzise Probably just screen recording the VM window.
0 likesIk, but How, like the bios screen ig
0 likesIt's a Virtual Machine.
1 likeIt's all about Windows NT 4.0 dammit
0 likesShort answer: spyware.
1 likeWait…Win 11 doesn’t have Cmd?
0 likesoh yes, Windows 11 Core.
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We call it Windows Server Core 2025, but yeah.
0 likesCould you do the same thing with 24h2 LTSC? I want to see if it's better than normal version
0 likesIt's literally vista
0 likesI did this on Windows 10 though
0 likesEveryone wants to be Windows 7
0 likesCan you please make a video of turning windows 11 into windows by using some of this video's stuff?
1 likeInnovation dead after w7. Everything new that they tried is just garbage. They should have just make w7 immortal and just keep update it.
0 likesnice, wounder if its possible to revert windows back to no themes, sounds like it could reduce overhead on slower machines as it almost looks like microsoft just overlays features on features without removing the old stuff, probably for compatibility but im sure it makes it unoptimized. (also id like to see windows like it was windows 2000 without 3rd party apps lol)
0 likeslinux users debloating their windows VM:
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@@kab43 it is fat fetish pokemon. and yeah, well, I see you are one of those people not worth spending my time on. sorry bud.
0 likes@LugiDergX how could you.. im going to cry.. also what the hell is that pfp lmao
0 likesSo funny that I forgot to laugh. Sorry bud.
0 likeswhy even bother to downgrade from windows 10 to windows 11 when everything is really the same
0 likesSo windows 11 is made up of xp,7,10 & 11 now i wonder why windows is taking too much storage and ram
0 likes11:00 why does the taskbar give me i3-wm vibes
0 likesStupid music killed it for me
0 likeshey bro I have asus X540SAA I tried everything but the touchpad doesn't work I am installing Windows 7 x64 PS1 all updates good the windows doesn't recognize the touchpad but it works in linux mint thanks in advance
0 likesWindows Vista Service Pack 56
0 likesKeyboard Cam™️
0 likesNew video yess!
1 likeWho watching this video now plaese comment
1 likeWindows 11*
13 likes*May contain Windows 7.
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@throwaway6478 they look similiar tho
0 likesVista, actually.
2 likesWindows 11 = Windows 7 *PROOF*
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Windows 7 = Windows 95 btw
0 likeswill this bost fps fortnit?
1 likemy internal hard drive (the one inside of me) is still dualbooting 98 and XP
0 likesBut can it run crysis
0 likesHOW COOL IS THISSSSSSSSS
0 likesi joined when the video ended 😂
0 likesoh chat no longer available lol
0 likesSo i upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 7?
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Vista, actualy.
1 likebro thats windows 11 naked XD 🍑🍑🍑🍑
0 likesI love windows hacks!
0 likesWindows 11 looks really better)))
0 likesWindows 11 bad
1 likeBetter windows 10 v1607 & windows 7 & windows xp
Windows in a nutshell
0 likesHey bro, could you make a windows xp but it core and function as window 11( not theme)
0 likesi dont know if it would be possible but it would be cool video to like install windows 11 and try to downgrade it without installing iso or another virtual machine just change the parameters or like try to have windows 10 but in windows 11 system if you know what i mean enderman
0 likeswindows 11 is windows 7 with some components and costumes
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Windows Vista*
2 likesIdea : trying to fix windows 11 and its softwares to make it work like windows 7 but without dwm and have windows 7 softwares instead of the 11 ones
1 likeDid you just sentence W11 to death by flaying? lmao
1 likeRight after getting home
0 likesReal one windows is only7
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Vista, actually.
0 likesIm huge fan of u❤just because u r expert of computers😊❤
1 likeNow the question is does this disable the attempted force vsync in borderless windowed instances
0 likesnice, wounder if its possible to revert windows back to no themes, sounds like it could reduce overhead on slower machines as it almost looks like microsoft just overlays features on features without removing the old stuff, probably for compatibility but im sure it makes it unoptimized. (also id like to see windows like it was windows 2000 without 3rd party apps lol)
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The themes dont really slow down even older hardware. Its negligable.
5 likesAppX, UWP and WebView were huge mistakes. Win32 was just superior.
2 likesno scamming u stole my robux
0 likesI REMEMBER THIS GUYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
0 likesShould try this on a vm
0 likescool
1 like8:50 Now I wanna know why that's the case. What causes Microshit's browser to not work with DWM when somehow Chrome can make it work.
0 likes6:42 This is the reason, why UWP apps are BS
0 likesalr
0 likesWindows 7 basic
0 likesbig fan bro
0 likesInteresting
0 likesI miss Win7, and it's just been 2 month since i transferred to 10 😢
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@@ChocoRainbowCornGuest account works fine for me on 10 and 11.
1 like@@Lofote Probably the theme and some of the apps. Also, Guest accounts were really useful. I miss them. Don't wanna bother making an whole new account for guests and well, let's just say that the articles claiming it's still there and can be enabled again lie. From what I remember, there is indeed an user or some user group called Guest and Guests, but it is not the Guest account we knew from back in the day. It's something else entirely. What exactly? I'm not really sure. I don't wanna risk breaking my PC more than I already do it on the daily basis just by messing around with things.
1 likeWhy? What did you like better in 7?
2 likesI loooovvvveeeee ripping off another YTber and making it worse and giving no credit
1 likecan u stop scamming
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What did he do to call him scammer? Its clearly real
0 likesW video!
0 likesPlease do more videos where you speak. These videos are alright, though the loud music isn't ideal, I end up muting them every time.
0 likeshello
0 likeswindows 10 obviously
0 likesStill better than windows 11
0 likeswhy just slap random edm songs on a video?? I was really enjoying your new approach where you actually talk about what's happening in the video, having subtitles only is a major drawback.
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Voices are quite distracting for me.
0 likesHonestly... I enjoy both.
0 likesTo each their own. My ADHD brain enjoys this type of content more. The other videos I can only watch at 1.5x or even higher as it too slow for me otherwise.
1 like🙂/Windows/Resources
0 likesOnce upon a time there was 98lite that could strip down Windows 98. In it's "Micro" mode it replaced explorer.exe with the one from Windows 95 and completely removed IE and the "active desktop" (remember that?).
0 likesPerhaps it's time to put Explorer.exe from Windows 7 into 11 :-) But with all the checking and signatures this will be hard these days.
so, windows 7 with a minimalistic theme?
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Vista*
1 likeInside is Intel 🟦
0 likesthats why i never wanted to use the windows 11, its 2GB bigger than windows 7 (installer), and i see no key new feature. it is bloated.
1 likelots of functionalities are based on modified obselete crap, even visible features are duplicated (e.g. control panel vs. Settings),
it feels like im using an engineering sample
What about copying files from windows 7 to replace windows 11 files. Could that restore some functionality?
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Probably there will be black screen or BSOD during boot
1 likethis is why when i was a kid i always dreaming when i upgraded to windows 10 theres prob tons of windows 7 leftover there
1 likei hope someone doing experiment with windows DWM, either makes it become linux window manager or restoring entire classic theme
0 likesdwm on linux is one of the best window managers on windows it is just the window manager. 2 very dif things
0 likesWish this was narrated by AI ngl
0 likesI’ve delt with windows shitting itself so much I’ve seen that it’s just a fancy skin on some ooooold ass ui
0 likesDude, seriously, please stop including songs with vocals D:
2 likesNot only do they tend to be annoying, but they're also a little distracting. (and often just aren't very good)
Instrumentals are so much less distracting, way more relaxing, and tend to be less nerve wrecking. Seriously, it's to the point where I can't watch a video if the music's got vocals.
Not sure if you're gonna see this, but please, please take this into account.
Its kinda interesting that microsoft instead of rebuilding the windows design they just hid windows basic theme (windows 7 theme like other people say)
0 likeswill this give more fps in fortnite?
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if you play windowed, yes
1 likeSup boos
1 likeWin 95
0 likesspyware
0 likesits spyware
Hii
0 likesAnswer for title: Lots of tech debt from 90s
0 likesit was windows vista all this time...
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Vista*
2 likesEnderman: let's remove layers
0 likesWindows 11. Welcome to Linux
You could have just installed Steam to delete the GUI
0 likesGw hadir bang😅
0 likesSince when did this thing became such mess?
0 likesAmazing to see Windows 10 taskbar on Windows 11, on a system where they made the taskbar from the ground up
0 likesIn economics I'm pretty sure they'd call windows 11 a bad, as opposed to a good
0 likes(yes, thats a real term, i saw it on tumblr)
windows 7 + bloatware + different skin = windows 11
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@@throwaway6478 windows 7 = flawless vista
0 likesIt's actually Vista.
1 likechrome works quite similar to supermium on classic theme windows vista
0 likesIm from premier
0 likesw video
0 likesAlso part of this “new” software is randomly stopping functioning as intended and just throw out an error code which isn’t even documented.
0 likesI was hoping you’d end up on windows 3.1
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Nah, NT was a clean break from the DOS-based Windows. Even the UI, which the hoi polloi believes was "Windows 3.1" was actually OS/2 1.2 - which makes sense if you're aware of how NT was developed.
0 likesNow make it easy to get the “real” classic theme!
0 likesNice
0 likes"wow this software is terrible, it doesn't even render everything when you delete large chunks of the code!"
1 likecome on bro. you can be a windows hater and still be reasonable. more programs doesn't inherently mean bloat, this is like deleting a chunk of GTK and being shocked that things break.
honestly this is a testament to how reliable Windows is
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You need to compare it to something else to understand. The wordpad app is an example of a lightweight decent looking app that always works, whereas dogshits like UWP depend on 100 dependencies and will break if any of them are absent. You don't have to delete everything to break it.
0 likesI learned that the hard way when trying to remove the touch keyboard app that always runs in the background eating 300 MB of RAM. After removing some of the seemingly unrelated components, explorer and UWP apps broke completely.
It's this guys schtick, and it gets him the clicks from the kiddies that would get a hiding from their parents if they tried it on the family PC.
1 like"Windows 11"
1 like>look inside
Windows 7
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Vista, actually.
1 likeMany parts of the shell still resembles 7 but deep inside it's actually Vista Server...
2 likesBecause of Longhorn's crappy development cycle
wha
0 likeswindows is a buggy mess hidden by shits and giggles
0 likesWindows 11 is Windows NT 3.1 with a version number change and 37292947282938 UI layers from the Stone Age.
0 likesdamnn windows is a mess
1 likeWhen you try to make a hidden VNC for W11.
0 likesWow, windows 11 is a complete hackjob. Not suprised though
0 likesWordpad is eternal, and we can't Microsoft kill it
0 likesWordPad. What a CHAD. 🗿🍷
0 likeswe are truly windows 10...
0 likes999 missed calls from Microsoft ☎️
0 likesLOL
0 likes"Upgrade to windows 11" the tech people said to me
0 likesglad Windows 10 LTSC IoT exists and gives me more time before the inevitable and forced downgrade to windows 11
lests go
0 likeswindows 7 basic
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Vista, actually.
0 likesWindows devs will be absolutely CRYING if they see this video.
0 likesWah
0 likesWindows 7 it is. It has kept in its past.
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Vista*
1 likeNo bad 53 minute ago
0 likesWindows needs an entire rework of its GUI system don't you guys think?
0 likesSad but true Plot twist: Windows 11 still uses the Windows NT Kernel
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The fact that it uses NT is why its driver support kicks your IoT lightbulb OS to death.
1 likeSo, it was all just a reskinned Windows Vista after all. I kinda wonder - and wouldn't be surprised - if some parts of the DOS are still running somewhere in the background...
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My message gets deleted because youtube cannot handle Windows commands, so well, here's the last try of mine.
0 likes@@ChocoRainbowCorn, well, according to the standard io file path formats dotnet documentation, Windows in any version (that supports dotnet) has to guarantee correct file path formats for the system. In theory, the terminal / "cmd" is used to invoke all DOS commands, but it's not its job to actually check that Windows actually respects these types, there must be some older code that allows this to be checked, and still needs to make sure everything is backwards compatible.
Let's not forget the pure DOS device paths that still need to be supported, so:
- \\.\C:\Test\Foo.txt
- \\?\C:\Test\Foo.txt
- \\.\Volume{b75e2c83-0000-0000-0000-602f00000000}\Test\Foo.txt
- \\?\Volume{b75e2c83-0000-0000-0000-602f00000000}\Test\Foo.txt
And let's not forget that the legacy DOS commands such as "subst", "diskcomp" and "diskcopy" are still available as well, but are - I think - just compiled for either 32 or 64 bit architecture. Unfortunately, another example I would like to give such as NTVDM has become an optional feature, but it's still possible to enable support for 16-bit applications and run them, and if that doesn't work, there are alternatives like WINEVDM or NTVDMX64. There are also "wmic" and "gpedit.msc", both of which remember at least Windows XP (at least Pro), so... I really wouldn't be surprised if the "modern Windows 11" has either completely recompiled some old / ancient even applications, or simply reused them in a hidden layer of compatibility for those programs only.
And yes, it's still all about Windows NT powering moderns Windows systems and wearing different skins, but some layers of compability had to be kept and cut straight outta DOS, that's why I wrote what I wrote above.
Mind explaining how that would work, considering that 16-bit apps and DOS apps support in general was nearly completely removed from the system? Unless we are talking about the 32-bit versions of the system, where this might still be possible.
1 likeThere's a part of me that's incredible upset to learn that we lost the perfect OS (Windows 7) just to have layers and layers of microtransactions and ads painted on and called Windows 11
0 likesFor long time it always amused me how most kiosk's ran on win7. As it turns out even Windows 11 runs on win7.
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@throwaway6478 true
1 likeVista*
1 likeShouldve still used windows 7 instead of a new laptop
0 likesinside you there are 2 os'es:
0 likeswindows 7,
windows 7 with classic theme
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Vista*
0 likesI've never seen anything like this on MacOS
0 likesThe immortal task manager gets modernified and becomes worse due to UWP... I should be able to use that thing in any case scenario, that's the whole point of task manager
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@ThatRandomToast mb then, why does it get affected unlike old task manager then
0 likesTask Manager isn't UWP, it's Win32 with XAML Islands.
0 likesIt's funny how much better Windows 11 looks once you peel off the garbage that is the default theme. Software only seems to go backwards nowadays, especially in terms of quality, reliability. usability, and appearance.
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what happened to all your videos?
0 likesWindows 10/7 jumpscare!!!
0 likesi am the 81th comment
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nice the numbers of windows 8.1
1 likeuwp apps are just like malware
0 likesthey're better when they're gone
UWP apps: Don't work
0 likesdeletes UWP apps
UWP apps: work slightly better
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windows 11 to windows 7 real!??!?!?!??!?
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Windows Vista, actually.
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0 likesFirst! 🫶
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You really are first
1 likeOoh early
1 like64th comment
0 likesHello cOmments
0 likesIt's amazing how slow they manage to make these new "apps"
0 likesSuch inefficient trash.
am i early?
0 likesWindows 11 is technically Windows 9.x lol
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@@AllOSesOfficialI hope that you don't take that attitude into your dating life. "It kinda looks like a woman so it is a woman" isn't going to end well for you. 😅
1 like@@throwaway6478 look at the theme at the end. IT'S 9X
0 likesIt's not even remotely related to Windows 9x.
0 likesme early
0 likesSo Windows 11 is Windows 7
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Windows Vista, actually.
1 likegoofy ahh video!
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0 likesRoblox
0 likesLiterally, copying peoples ideas, fuck me
0 likesi think the youtube website behaves roughly similar
0 likeswhen i go to its internal "EXPERIMENT_FLAGS", i can set it to return a "broken" watch page which is from 2021 (notable is no rounded corners)
in my windows 8.1 installation, the vista fallback ui can appear if the explorer is started as admin from process hacker while it is running as NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
Curious what happens if you try it on xp.
0 likesAlso try listary, it lets you search stuff with a double tap instead of typing all those commands.
I ran OOBE.EXE after setting up my laptop then hard rebooted it
0 likesIt connected defaultuser0 so it showed my account and defaultuser0 next to each other
Surprisingly removeing it didn’t seem to make everything implode
It somehow also unregistered the class related to copilot lol and broke a good chunk of the taskbar functionality
You should try replacing explorer.exe with one from Win7. Maybe it would work?🤔
0 likesI know why windows keeps getting worse. Its because Microsoft itself is insanely bloated with unnecessary middle management. Middle managers needing to justify their teams existence make bloat insist its the best thing since sliced bread and convince the higher ups that they are needed to maintain the bloat.
0 likesWtf you upgraded it?
0 likesWindows 11 is just Windows 10 with steroids. Windows 10 is just Windows 8 on steroids. Windows 8 is just a drunk version of Windows 7. Windows 7 is just Windows Vista with steroids. And Windows Vista is a drugged out and drunk version of Windows XP.
0 likesEvery Windows we use, Windows XP is always underneath
9:32
0 likes>WordPad still works as well
Implying as if can stop working... The folks at Micro$oft were so shocked when they created it they decided to only write stuff on the most easy-to-break frameworks possible
learned the task manager today... never knew it before!! taskmgr -d
1 likebtw is their a list where all apps that can be switched back to older ui?
Fools. Under windows 11 is a table.
0 likesUse this with Explorer7 to get epic windows 7 theme, combine with the logon screen replacer that abuses the fallback login to create a windows 7 login screen ,and wabam!
0 likesdid you see the new windows 11 24H2 installer? you should take a look at the partitionning tool ☠
1 like4:42 - It's a feature called "Hardware Cursor", which draws the cursor separately from everything else. It's a GPU feature, not specifically for Windows.
1 like6:01 - Microsoft added hijacks to some shell calls on-the-go to Settings, including some Control Panel items (you probably know this already), but when they fail, they're supposed to either drop to Control Panel, or just create an error dialog box, which are both broken, so Control Panel does nothing.
8:52 - Edge would probably run on older Windows versions without DWM. Edge for Windows 11 comes with different UIs (for no reason) accelerated by DWM.
10:07 - Explorer context menus are special since Windows 10, as they're replaced on-the-go with "Immersive Context Menus". This supplies dark mode, but requires an appropriate visual style, hence they can't render properly.
10:40 - Same as above, but for the taskbar shell. Since app icons come from their respective executables, and the gear icon is quickly patched there in Windows 11 betas for testing the new quick settings without any reference, they can render themselves.
11:04 - UWP apps get their splash animation from the current visual style. When you removed Resources, they silently failed, but when you removed their files, no references exist, hence the empty window.
Indeed
0 likesThis just goes to show, what masterpiece Windows Aero was. It is still there but Microsoft won't keep it up to date to let it be accessed by us. 🫠
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