Being an investigator would be so hard. Giving fake sympathy to people that do these horrible things can’t be easy

Yeah or being a lawyer trying to defend someone who did something like this. Lawyers aren’t bad people my dad is one but he’s a workers comp defense attorney and defends business against false or unnecessary workers compensation claims.

For some people unconditional empathy isn't that difficult

For some people unconditional empathy isn't that difficult

It's a manipulation tactic. Seeing it as such probably makes it easier to do.

It probably wasn't so hard knowing that faking nice was going to be the thing that makes him fry.

@Jonathan Ingram no. No matter how professional and experienced he is, he’s still a human being and you can bet your bottom dollar he was deeply affected by the case

No kiding, only thing i could think of is which way i could inflict pain for this sorry piece of human being

@toohsas they aren’t police they are investigators

@toohsas they aren’t police they are investigators

@Encryptoh / Radar Line bro I had a stroke reading that lol

@Encryptoh / Radar Line bro I had a stroke reading that lol

JCS is helping criminals by showing police tricks. Channels like this make police work more difficult.

i think that too tbh idk how they can just give them fake sympathy and also reassure them sometimes but still completely shut down their fake scenarios of them being innocent

Don’t misinterpret this please. But I disagree. For whatever reason some people can just disassociate from the situation. It’s like these investigators are just the other side of the same coin as the murderers. They can hear these things and not break down. It doesn’t phase them. It’s kind of hard to explain but like it doesn’t impact them like it does your average person.

A very nice payoff at the end, though: the family of the little girl watching Rafferty get the maximum sentence possible because the detectives are so skilled at what they do. I feel a sense of awe watching them play these monsters like a fiddle.

@Stephen Grabarek you’re*. If you’re so smart where’s your grammar at?

@Stephen Grabarek you’re*. If you’re so smart where’s your grammar at?

@Stephen Grabarek you said the same thing about Disney land again yet you complain of me telling you to quit taking drugs multiple times. I see the hypocrisy, do you??

@ZeroMass lol it's funny you say they're doing gods work. God just watched what happened to that girl. I don't think God has any "work".

@Stephen Grabarek why would I waste my time giving fake sympathy to someone idgaf about? That’s a waste of my time and theirs. Think before you speak bud

@AboveAll it’s a tiny bit odd you’re complaining about me replying when yet you’re replying to my replies. Hypocritical some would say lol. Have a merry Christmas kid lol

@Colter L   LOL and nobody asked you to comment in the first place :)

maybe dont leave it up if you dont want to be put in your place :)

@AboveAll just like nobody asked you to come down here and reply to my very first comment LMAO

@AboveAll lmao I gotta get ready for work while you continue to stir the pot in the YouTube comments lol

@AboveAll I’m glad you can make an observation that he is an investigator. Want a cookie?

not as hard as you pretend it is. thats his JOB. hes trained very well

not as hard as you pretend it is. thats his JOB. hes trained very well

@Taekatanahu hating someone is not being emotionally detached. It's quite the opposite, you have very strong feelings of hate. And the point was that it must be hard to force sympathy for someone whom you hate. Investigators have to learn how to become emotionally detached though, because like you said, it's much easier to fake emotions toward someone who you have emotionally detached from.

@ELEKTROSKANSEN "Ma'am I understand that your mixer blade has broken. I know it feels like the world is over. Give me one second...."🙃

@Taekatanahu Its common place for those investigating crimes against children to suffer severe PTSD. These men are doing gods work and are deeply and forever scarred. 🍻

@alien i dont think having to deal with monsters as your job feels amazing

@Colter L i never said that it is a easy or a hard job, it obviously will be harder/easier for different persons, and obviously he is very good at it, which i acknowledged

@Ich Du whatever you say lol, you’re job is 10x easier than this guys if you even have one. How about you just commend him instead of saying something dumb just to be different

its just a job, and he is good at this job

its just a job, and he is good at this job

It's disgusting that we have to as civilized people have to honor their human rights otherwise it could throw the case.

Especially the part where he has to claim he's dealt with worse things and people to garner some kind of comradery. We all know that's not true, my dude. There quite literally is nothing more evil than this crime.

yeah seriously, but it comforts me to know but the more fake sympathy they show, the more dirt they’ll get on them in the end. the detectives really have to get in their heads sometimes to seal the deal, it’s very impressive

i disagree id revel in it thinking one slip  i'm the one who sends you to hell

I'm sure it gets easier overtime knowing that the result is pure concentrated karmic justice...it must feel amazing to pluck monsters like this out from society.

Imagine having a daughter and then going into that room to tell a guy like that what he did wasnt that bad and just a mistake

@ELEKTROSKANSEN haha retail where you're dealing with psychos every day 🤣

@ELEKTROSKANSEN haha retail where you're dealing with psychos every day 🤣

I also think he is desensitized to this kind of violence.

I also think he is desensitized to this kind of violence.

@Taekatanahu one should admit it is still a difficult job. This kind of police work should be commended.

Giving fake anything is easier when you feel emotionally detached from the person, as counterintuitive that sounds. It is easier to lie to someone you hate than to someone you care about.

And there sure are plenty reasons to hate Michael Rafferty. They already knew he was guilty without a doubt.


This physically disgusts me so much to hear everything he did to an innocent girl who did no wrong.


To: JCS CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY,  I really want you to know how excellent of a job you have done on these high profile cases and your actual EXPERT analysis in laymans terms is appreciated and much respected. Ive seen these interrogations and case run downs by so many other channels and you are by far the best and most accurate. In Rafferty, impressive how you know the two detective investigators so well and strategy use. Most interesting is Chris Loins, Behavioral Sciences. Great Work. Investigator Chris Loins is the man. I like when he says to Rafferty, " you aint built for this shit, its not what your about."


I can't imagine what its like to walk into a place and know your never walking out even if you deny everything and stick to your story evidence is such a great tool that we use. I stick can't wrap my head around how people do these sick things knowing the consequences... I guess normal people can't comprehend that

Where the mind goes, the body follows. Be careful what you allow your sense to be entertained by. It's easy and comforting to act like these people aren't human, but they most certainly are. THis is why the fight against the sexualization of children is so important in the West; it's enticing and creates perversions to these things. Humanism ultimately doesn't work.

Unfortunately there's lots of people get away with similar shit and tell others like this psychopath and they take the risk that others took and got away with it is the only way I think they would think while plotting to commit such Hynes crime


Everytime i watch one the investigation videos, i am in awe of how talented, skillful, patience and great the detectives are at doing their job while having all the facts in front of them and still keeping their calm. Bravo


This detective is incredible. The way he won't even entertain the guy saying that he's innocent and just shuts it down, so impressive.

@Brian Bagnall you should teach him how its done brian

@Phil Mitchell Boxing You're really stuck on that one joke.

@Phil Mitchell Boxing Let me guess guy who posts boot licking comment "This detective is incredible." Are you perhaps the incompetent detective?

@Brian Bagnall You should reach out to him he will likely be star struck.

@Phil Mitchell Boxing So this detective runs his mouth non-stop for an hour without letting the suspect even speak. He gets absolutely NO INFORMATION from the suspect in all that time. That is called a complete and utter failure of the goal of the interrogation. Someone needs to tell that detective lesson one of an interrogation: let the suspect speak.

@Brian Bagnall yeah don't get me wrong he's no Brian Bagnall

Detectives will do it if someone is innocent to its to apply pressure

@Summer Schmidt and exactly how many times have you been in on an interrogation?? Let me guess….just on YouTube.

@Debj Watson I'm glad someone noticed it's the same guy! Knew I recognised his voice haha

@Mr. Macaques I'm just saying that is one of the strategies that was used on Mike, but it wasn't featured in the JCS video.

@brainstewX I did watch the whole thing multiple times... If raffery said that then it would be even more important that they catch him in a lie before he sees his lawyer.  But they have so much evidence that he will go for life no matter what crazy story he came up with.

@TANKTHEARC it is Detective Jim Smythe of the OCC. He is amazing

@Mr. Macaques If you watch the full interrogation, the bad cop did try to entertain the possibility that Mike was innocent in order to get him to give a false alibi, but Mike said he was going to wait to talk to his lawyer.

@TANKTHEARC The 'bad cop' is the one who interrogated Russell Williams

@Debj Watson is it the same guy? he sounds different and softer in that one

@Mr. Macaques But then some women get away with spinning a lie in court and get away with murder. Some only though.

He is and plays the exact image of "I am so much smarter than you and working against you, your lying does absolutely nothing." he shows so much pity and just "I wanna do my job, so stop messing around," its so demeaning and perfect to get a person into confessing.

@Esben Hansen I watched it...thanks! It was terrible.

@Debj Watson Agree with that, Conversely watch the interrogation of Stephen McDaniel of how not to do an interrogation. Also JCS -  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkRjIq8Cp2A

Watch this same detective interrogate and dismantle Russell Williams

And yet he does it so eloquently. Shuts him down with the most skill I've ever seen. Very impressive.


I'm a Criminal Justice/ Forensic Psychology student; and although repulsive,  I find these interrogation techniques with such seemingly normal but obviously severely twisted psychopaths fascinating.

Sounds great 👍 how much longer you got with training ?


Those detectivs are MINDBLOWING! Gosh, not even a second of hesitation or thinking over an answer, and such a smooth collab, pure cinema material, my respect! Could watch that type of work all day long.

These types of detectives are so amazing

Agreed, I love love love good interrogation.


There are not enough adjectives in any spoken language to describe how vile this man is. Someone with so little conscience can barely even be described as human.


I've always felt that I'm a pretty tough person, but no video makes me hug my daughters tighter than this one. It breaks my heart thinking of this poor little girl and the awful things she experienced.


This detective style is like water droplet torture. Relentless and exhausting. He wore that man down like a pro. Brilliant

He didn't wear him down far enough. There was no confession.

He didn't wear him down far enough. There was no confession.

The term "man" doesn't apply here with him, as the only ones visible are wearing suits and ties.

@John Doe I agree, but if I think about it in terms of what the suspect didn't say or do, I can see the point of everyone saying the interrogator wore him down. His body language, his demeanor changed. He didn't become enraged while being bombarded with the fscts of the  crime that any innocent person would loudly and emphatically deny (or at the very least try to argue their innocence). He was far from indifferent to what was being said - he never offered any counterpoints to the interrogator at any of the accusations. He cowers and eventually becomes even more of a sniveling mess. My opinion is, I think his actions, his crimes were so abhorrent and horrific, he was never going to say he did it, no matter what is presented to him that proves he did all of it.

@John Doe Actually he did, edgelord. I doubt you actually know anything about psychology.

@John Doe Actually he did, edgelord. I doubt you actually know anything about psychology.

@Term1backup He really couldn't eat.  He was dopesick. Same for All the snot and being cold and shakey.

He didn't confess 😅 but I agree, the detective did his job well. I liked how he just would shut him up immediately when he started denying what he did.

It took many torpedo hits to send the battleship Bismarck to Davy Jones's locker.

It took many torpedo hits to send the battleship Bismarck to Davy Jones's locker.

@Tami O He didn't get the confession from Russell Williams

@Tami O He didn't get the confession from Russell Williams

What is water droplet torture TheBreadSandwich?

What is water droplet torture TheBreadSandwich?

He's wearing me down and I'm mostly innocent! And just watching this while having Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy via Psychopathic Pinnochio Politicians! Who should I call?!

Actually the detective really never gave him a chance to denie anything, redirected him every time he veered of course, yes this detective is amazing ... firm , no nonsense to the point. Luv it❣💙💝

The moment Rafferty was gonna barf, it was over from there.

The moment Rafferty was gonna barf, it was over from there.

Wore down me too<br>Was sleepy and tired and felt like admitting what I didn't do

Wore down me too
Was sleepy and tired and felt like admitting what I didn't do

He wore me down and I wasn’t even getting interrogated hahaha

He wore me down and I wasn’t even getting interrogated hahaha

Yeah, every time he says "okay" and "alright" a droplet drops

Yeah, every time he says "okay" and "alright" a droplet drops

@Kristall No, you always want a confession. It wasn't just for mental torture. Without a confession, they have to work harder to get a conviction.

He controlled himself really well too. I can only imagine how angry he was seeing these cases over and over and over. The fact that he doesn't go rogue and just track these people down and take them out on his own is commendable.

TheBreadSandwich he was wearing me down.  I would’ve screamed OK, I DID IT, just STOP talking!

TheBreadSandwich he was wearing me down.  I would’ve screamed OK, I DID IT, just STOP talking!

It's brilliant! I have done nothing and yet my hear hurts. Great detective. I think he is the same who dealt with that sick Colonnel.

@Amirah Kukan part 4 of the four part interrogation is Jim Smyth.
 The other softer spoken guy was just a behavioural scientist who was taking opportunity whilst Mr Smyth was interrogating the girl in a different room.
 If you'd like the link to Jim Smyth one hour interrogation of the killer I'll fetch you it.

tonytrader people are saying it's the same guy who interrogated Russell. It clearly isnt

tonytrader people are saying it's the same guy who interrogated Russell. It clearly isnt

Tami O I don't think he is actually. That detective voice was much softer. He didn't talk fast he was calmer and ....yeah it's just not the same guy. I'm almost positive

@Algernon Campbell there's a fresh upload of the x4 interrogation hours of that child killer by a channel called Red Circle Interrogations.. part 4 is the one hour Jim Smyth spent with the killer<br>If y'all can't find it I'll drop a link 👍🏻

@Algernon Campbell there's a fresh upload of the x4 interrogation hours of that child killer by a channel called Red Circle Interrogations.. part 4 is the one hour Jim Smyth spent with the killer
If y'all can't find it I'll drop a link 👍🏻

@Sarah Dixon Jim arrives in for the last 15min of the 4hr behavioural science guys interaction.. <br>As seen in this video, but he didn't interrogate as comments suggest.

@Sarah Dixon Jim arrives in for the last 15min of the 4hr behavioural science guys interaction..
As seen in this video, but he didn't interrogate as comments suggest.

@Sarah Dixon nope! It's not Jim Smyth. That's Chris lone.
 Jim interrogated the woman.
This is not an interrogation.
They already had the evidence, the behavioural guy sitting with him is analyzing risk post conviction.

@Tami O wrong. 7:05 that's the staff sergeant Chris lone.
 Jim Smyth was interrogating the woman who abducted the child, not the killer.

@J H faster sure but you can still have a pretty good trial as long as you have a mountain of evidence. Whether they plead guilty or not. There was a witness, dna, the autopsy, ect. There was no way he was walking out of this untouched. And some would say it looks even worse on his part if he pleads not guilty as that would show he has no remorse for what he did or anything of that sort

@Kristall not really... A confession makes a trial much faster, and increases the likelihood of a guilty plea.

@J H if you have all of the evidence and information then it is basically just for the torture

@Kristall lol.... No, the point is to get information, via the torture. Not the torture itself.

@Clinton Pendleton Your sarcasm is really notable! Let me add a "lol" so you can understand mine!

@Clinton Pendleton FOR STARTERS NOT LIKE THIS!

@Clinton Pendleton FOR STARTERS NOT LIKE THIS!

Yes. Tries to seem sympathetic, yet is tough as nails... RESPECT!

Yes. Tries to seem sympathetic, yet is tough as nails... RESPECT!

Sarah Dixon I was wondering if it was the same dude. Guys a fucking pro.

Sarah Dixon I was wondering if it was the same dude. Guys a fucking pro.

J H 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 we are generally nice people. The cop was amazed that buddy didn’t eat his donut 🍩.<br>There was a lot of anger in this area over what happened to Tory Stafford. Poor kid

J H 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 we are generally nice people. The cop was amazed that buddy didn’t eat his donut 🍩.
There was a lot of anger in this area over what happened to Tory Stafford. Poor kid

@Michele 🇨🇦 Could be. Maybe he's just being the typical overly polite Canadian!.. haha

@Michele 🇨🇦 Could be. Maybe he's just being the typical overly polite Canadian!.. haha

J H I get that it’s a tactic but this detective reminds me of several people I’ve met in my almost 60 years in Ontario. He’s the right person for the job. I’m betting he doesn’t turn it off. Just saying...

@Michele 🇨🇦 Not sure about that.. It's an actual tactic that they use in interrogations. Basically to keep the mind racing and hinder their ability to think and come up with an alibi. Not to mention that there are other videos of the same guy conducting this interrogation, and he doesn't always talk like this.
Pretty sure it's also detailed in other JCS videos as well.

@Michele 🇨🇦 Not sure about that.. It's an actual tactic that they use in interrogations. Basically to keep the mind racing and hinder their ability to think and come up with an alibi. Not to mention that there are other videos of the same guy conducting this interrogation, and he _doesn't_ always talk like this.
Pretty sure it's also detailed in other JCS videos as well.

J H naw someone like that likes to hear their own voice all the time. He doesn’t shut up. I live twenty minutes from Woodstock. Know a lot of dudes that talk nonstop and sound just like him 😳

@Michele 🇨🇦 Yeah... I realize it's a tactic that he's using, but I'd probably have a difficult time refraining from lashing out and slapping the shit out of him... and getting an even harder sentence, lol.

TheBreadSandwich can you imagine being married to the detective? He talks and talks nonstop

TheBreadSandwich can you imagine being married to the detective? He talks and talks nonstop

torture isn't voluntary though. The perp can say nothing

torture isn't voluntary though. The perp can say nothing

@Madeline Harper He didn't get the confession... lol.

@Madeline Harper He didn't get the confession... lol.

@John Doe Agreed, not sure why everyone thinks the detective won or wore him down. he never confessed to it here.

@Thelving the Wing It was beginning and end Frasier🤣

@Thelving the Wing It was beginning and end Frasier🤣

@Sarah Dixon Huh? I'm not patronising you. I don't understand what you mean. I wasn't trying to personally attack you. You said it was Smyth. I'm saying it wasn't.

@Thelving the Wing I am not lacking in observation skills, I can hear and have mental capacity. Why do you patronise me?

@Sarah Dixon This guy is not Jim Smyth. He said his name was Chris Loam at the beginning. Then, at the end, Smyth comes in and grills the shit out of the suspect.

TheBreadSandwich because he is a pro lmao

TheBreadSandwich because he is a pro lmao

Thank goodness for good detective work like this

Thank goodness for good detective work like this

He did not break anybody. It was a torture watching this failure of interrogation

He did not break anybody. It was a torture watching this failure of interrogation

amazing he reads the suspect like a book

amazing he reads the suspect like a book

No he didn't, dude never shook.  He didn't even eat the donut.  They should have phone booked him 😎

Its Jim, you know Jim Smyth.<br>He interrogated Russell Williams

Its Jim, you know Jim Smyth.
He interrogated Russell Williams

@Mac M That doesn't mean he didn't wear him down (which he did)...as most interrogations

@Mac M That doesn't mean he didn't wear him down (which he did)...as most interrogations

He’s the detective who got the confession from Russell Williams too.... supposedly he’s one of the best ever


God Bless this detective!! I would never be able to hold back my anger. If police brutality could ever be overlooked, this is the case!! 8 years old!!  Imagine the anger you would have if you were that child's parents!!


This investigation specialist is such an amazing badass! I couldn’t even look at this guy, talk to him? Absolutely not. It’s awesome, almost a relief to know that there’s police in this world like this one.


The psychology behind this is so interesting to me. It makes me wish I would have got into law enforcement.

I was extremely close to getting into law enforcement, but ended up not going through with it since I thought extensively about the types of people I may interact with (like michael) and what kind of effect it would have on me.  I knew I wouldn't be able to handle it.


The horror and terror that that poor little girl must have felt haunts me bc I've seen his video a year or two ago this guy bad as they get. Thinking about what the sweet innocent girl went through is traumatizing for me to even think about it I can't imagine what it was like for her. I hope she's happy and health in heaven with the Lord.


I feel like his whole "vomiting fit" was an attempt for him to get out of the room. He thought they would take him to the bathroom and he would get some time alone as a break but I love that he handed him a trash can and said "use it. Do it in front of me it won't bother me" and all of a sudden magically he doesn't vomit or need to for the rest of the interrogation

woulnt he just ask to use the restroom then?

to be fair it could be real in a situation where someone is extremely stressed or under duress u can get physically sick and the reason y i think he didn't actually throw up was because he didn't eat anyhing

Well sometimes I've felt like I would vomit but then I can make it go away and it doesn't come back.

Apparently he was detoxing off heroin so he very well may have actually felt like puking. (Also explains the crying and the blanket.) I don't think he'd get very far out of the room in this state lol. Though it is a bit odd how he doesn't have to throw up again so who knows.

I love the way the investigator even shot him down immediately with that. <b>The moment</b> that piece of shit put his hand over his mouth the investigator was already up and coming back with the trash can.

I love the way the investigator even shot him down immediately with that. *The moment* that piece of shit put his hand over his mouth the investigator was already up and coming back with the trash can.

Another technique to make the monster feel isolated... staying in the room for hours, not having Any chance to leave


I realize this interrogation was two years ago, but I first I’ve heard of this case and watched the video. This interrogator is absolutely amazing. He uses so many tactics. He starts with using the victims name. Then switches to “that girl,” he talks so much, I want to confess just to get him to shut up. LOL. Amazing interrogator.

This interrogation was from 2009. The crime happened in 2009. Not 2 years ago. Toro would be turning 22 this July. I’m from close to where this happened and it was huge news


Just want to say I really enjoy your videos and your narration. I really like how you give facts and keep emotion out of it. I would have a very difficult time, especially with cases like this... I wish TERRIBLE things for this POS, and I would do that to him if given the chance.


I’m just gonna say as a Canadian we have super dedicated officers and detectives not always a great thing but I’m saying I know officers that have been on the force 10-15 years and they look 30. the dedication is amazing.


Incredible performance from that interrogator. The fact that he can sit there and act like that man isn’t a piece of dumpster shit, and do his job, and not let him deny his guilt is amazing. This man doesn’t deserve to get the release of death, he deserves to rot in jail for the rest of his life.

His name is Jim Smith and he's a master of luring you into thinking he's your friend. It's actually scary how good he is. His interrogation of Russel Williams is very good and can be watched here - https://youtu.be/jJZv3z7FOt0


For some reason it really hurts my heart that Tori went with that woman because she wanted to see a puppy. She just wanted to see a puppy and instead this awful thing happened to her. I am so sad

@JT Jones she likely was a victim as a young girl and he preyed on that part of her. She has felt being without any power and he lured and manipulated her into doing it and making him happy, gaining power back, it happened to her so it’s “fair” shit like “you went through it, don’t you ever see little girls and think how unfair it is that they live a life without a care in the world when we both know bla bla bla”

It makes me glad that, when I was younger, (about 12 or 13) I denied a car ride to my school because it looked like I was having a bit of a tough time. I had to put on a hoodie while holding a big clarinet case and then put my large backpack on. Before I could even assess who was in the car, my brain kicked in and said, "Do not accept this car ride by any means," because my mom would always tell me to never accept things from strangers.<br>I don't think they were bad people because right after I said, "No, thank you," they drove off without another word. There could be a multitude of reasons for that, but it doesn't really matter much.

It makes me glad that, when I was younger, (about 12 or 13) I denied a car ride to my school because it looked like I was having a bit of a tough time. I had to put on a hoodie while holding a big clarinet case and then put my large backpack on. Before I could even assess who was in the car, my brain kicked in and said, "Do not accept this car ride by any means," because my mom would always tell me to never accept things from strangers.
I don't think they were bad people because right after I said, "No, thank you," they drove off without another word. There could be a multitude of reasons for that, but it doesn't really matter much.

@albatross It's possible she was taught not to ever go off with a stranger or fall for the puppy trick, but got too excited and forgot what she was taught. Kids that young are often easily distracted and manipulated.

I hope this little girl is in heaven with all the cutest puppies. My heart breaks for her.

We need to use this as a cautionary tale and warn our children to never go with a stranger anywhere for any reason and be very blunt and matter of fact

We need to use this as a cautionary tale and warn our children to *never* go with a stranger anywhere for *any* reason and be very blunt and matter of fact

I completely agree. I think, for me, her thinking she was going to see a puppy just adds to her innocence.

@EVA-01 me too. I described in graphic detail to my kids.

@albatross I got molested by my high schooler baby sitter. It’s not always that clear cut. I was told to stay with them.

@albatross she probably was taught and If that's wasn't thats surprising lol

@Dejavu Psychic Speaks because parents have work and busses dont always drop kids off close to where where live. My parents have always gotten off work HOURS after school released us. The entirety of elementary school u had to soend an hour walking home every day because it was the closest my bus was willing to drop me off. Almost got snatched once 😨 scary shit

@albatross I prefer doing that and never leaving a kid alone. The danger needs to be talked about more.

It's really scary because even kids that have been taught that bad people will say things exactly like "will you help me find my puppy?" or "I have some ice cream/candy in my car for you", the kids forget that they've been warned about this & go with the person anyway. There have been pretend situations to show parents what their kid will do in specific situations... It's terrifying.<br>P. S. I have an 8 year old who I regularly have these conversations with & worry that he'll be tricked into something. I'd rather scare my kid a bit & have him be super cautious. Also, we're (parents) being taught now to not even refer to people as "strangers", but rather "tricky people" because a stranger might say "well, my name is Bob, now we're not strangers anymore". Creepy & sick & a whole lot of other nasty descriptive words.

It's really scary because even kids that have been taught that bad people will say things exactly like "will you help me find my puppy?" or "I have some ice cream/candy in my car for you", the kids forget that they've been warned about this & go with the person anyway. There have been pretend situations to show parents what their kid will do in specific situations... It's terrifying.
P. S. I have an 8 year old who I regularly have these conversations with & worry that he'll be tricked into something. I'd rather scare my kid a bit & have him be super cautious. Also, we're (parents) being taught now to not even refer to people as "strangers", but rather "tricky people" because a stranger might say "well, my name is Bob, now we're not strangers anymore". Creepy & sick & a whole lot of other nasty descriptive words.

@Sunshine_Tidings (for some reason) lmaooooo. Same

I’m 35 and honestly could be lured with a kitten.

@albatross I'm sure she was taught not to go with strangers. In Canada its common in school curriculum to teach about it. The problem seems to be that we always portray the "Bad guys" as like an old creepy looking man in a van trying to snatch kids off the street which isn't realistic. We need to make sure they realize that even kind looking young women and even other kids can harm you all the same.

@yarnpower so crazy, I remember that show too but when I go to look it up, all I see is Joey Salads from YouTube. This was a legit show that would come on tv, I remember because my parents were obsessed with it. There’s no trace of it.

I do not understand why parent is not there to pick up child, nor what school does not have supervisors ensuring children are getting on the bus or going with a parent? Why was she not taught, NEVER talk to strangers, and always go straight to the bus or stay at school till parent comes to get you? I do not understand. Child as young as toddler needs to be constantly taught to not go with strangers, and safety precautions. Make ls me so angry.

Byt then again, this could happen as they walk to the school bus, take a walk around the block, or walk home from school. I was a helocopter mom, and could not bear to have my eyes on my child. I was obsessed and scared when he had to walk to the school bus, ai made sure other parents and kids went everyday if I did not walk with him.

I hate these kidnappers.

@JT Jones She later admitted to being the one that killed Tori. So she's just as sick as he is.

@Sunshine_Tidings I don't even know why I watch these. I go about my day angry afterwards.

This is the kinda story my mom would warn me about incessantly as a child. Honestly I wouldn’t have gone with anyone who promised me seeing a puppy because I had heard so many stories about that specific persuasion technique. Unfortunately I imagine poor Tori didn’t know about that.

OMG this is exactly how I felt too,that was what really broke my heart!my own little 7 year old loves dogs and puppies like many children...truly broke my heart when that was said 💔

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albatross it is not as simple as teaching a kid to not go with anyone but their parent, grandparent or babysitter. Kids can be so easily manipulated. <br>I watched a show a few years back where they took kids whose parents had given them that instruction. Then they had the parents and kids meet up in a park. Every kid, one at a time, was lured away by an actor. The parents were shocked as they really thought their kids had learned to avoid strangers.

albatross it is not as simple as teaching a kid to not go with anyone but their parent, grandparent or babysitter. Kids can be so easily manipulated.
I watched a show a few years back where they took kids whose parents had given them that instruction. Then they had the parents and kids meet up in a park. Every kid, one at a time, was lured away by an actor. The parents were shocked as they really thought their kids had learned to avoid strangers.

What I don't understand is why that chick even helped that sicko lure a child to his car.  I mean,  why?   Why would she even want to take part in something like that is baffling.

it's beyond wrong, there's nothing ever okay about it. children need to be told outright that they must never follow anyone off the course they're meant to be on ie walking home from school or at the playground etc even if that person is familiar (like the woman was) or is literally anyone but the immediate caretaker that put the child there to begin with. that poor baby wasn't taught how to exist in a world of monsters and those monsters aren't being bred out of this corrupt world anytime soon. they are decay to everything they go near and wish to darken bright lights like innocent children, and so we just sacrifice, as a village, some of that innocence in them to warn them how to protect themselves when we're not there to. it's much less devastating than this, this is nearly unbearable

I watch a lot of this stuff (for some reason) and this is the angriest I've been.


This happened not too far from my city. I remember when she went missing and all the posters up looking for her. These people didn't get enough, especially Terri Lynn. For a while she was in a healing lodge. I wish we had the death penalty here. I haven't seen the whole video yet, so it might be mentioned but apparently they're actually sending special food for him because guards were putting glass in his food. Let him eat the glass. He deserves more that that.

Thats terrific, glad to hear about the glass


I think the “bad cop” should’ve pulled the guys blanket away forcefully leaving the dude feeling naked, vulnerable ,and a lower sense of security.


There are some cases that are so unbelievably heinous and evil that the death penalty is the only way justice can truly be served. This case is definitely one of them. Every second that ticks by that a child rapist and murderer stays alive is a crime against humanity, even if the they are rotting away in prison for life (at taxpayer expense).

I hope the prison population becomes aware of how he got there.

@Monkey Tennis It's also more expensive apparently because death penalty cases get tied up in court forever

It's not a deterrent and makes society just as savage the people they're killing.

for woman it would be the same with the blutoris


I truly admire the knowledge and patience of these behavioral psychologists and detectives being so calm and professional treating the humanoid monsters that are in front of them. I'd physically torture them until they told me all details about the case, plus all the sick fantasies they ever had.


“i’m too sick to talk, this has been intense” imagine what the poor little girl thought in the last moments of her life.

Bonnie ella lol you look familiar. Do you travel alot with the public bus?

@Quantum Crash Pretty sure the Geneva Convention and agreements say that all people deserve food/water, including prisoners.

I love how he feels entitled to receive sympathy for feeling hungry after he killed a little girl.

@theblackphenom Re-evaluate your life choices.

@Emma Irving I didn’t say anything to you

I don't feel like people think much after being hit on the head with a hammer

@Za1cko yea that’s ridiculous! I’m disgusted!

@Dammn Deejay i dont think there is one because most of the time they get their "punishment". But i dont think 2 weeks per rape is enough.

@Za1cko I need to find a documentary on this! Incredible!! What the hell?!

-🤓* I don’t think he cares. If he did he wouldn’t have done it

@Kenty Iluminada exactly what I was thinking. He needs to be interrogated by professional torturorers

You can access PlayStation 2 and Xboxes (no modem) in prison in the UK, if your convicted of hour average crimes, but u don't just get given it. you have to become an enhanced behaviour based on conduct which takes minimum 3 months and then you have to pay for it from your prison earnings. You earn between £ 8-20 a week. It's a controversial topic, but the idea is to reward positive behaviour based on rehabilitation, but it's a myth that u just get given it. The prisoners will be working from about 8-4 mon-fri, and can only play it during lock down from about 5pm until 8 am

It disgusts me when these types cry. They dont get the right to feel anything other than eternal suffering. Buried alive and amputated with no sedatives, until the knocking stops is how I suggest justice be dished out to people like this.

what she felt was sickening unrelenting suffering and terror then death

This guy is lucky to live in the post-Enlightenment times. Otherwise his remains would be adorning a spike somewhere.

@spenc k if reading is too hard for you, why bother?

@Za1cko thank you, that's a good rebuttal against the insults about the American justice system

@Za1cko I was introduced to this aspect of Swedish culture/law enforcement through the girl with the dragon tattoo. Obviously it's a work of fiction, but I did a lot of background reading and the author was very much inspired by the judicial mentality in Sweden.

@Winter Dream You're right but unpunished guilty rapists are really common here in sweden.

@Za1cko what are you even on about murder doesnt happen very often in Scandinavia

@Mitch Kuhn I have not heard about that all i know is that they get ps4s and xboxes in their cell

@Za1cko and their "prison" Is a cabin on a small island with fishing gear, not even kidding

This kind of stuff happens every day in sweden and more than 90% of the guilty People who admitted to it they dont even get sent to prison sweden is fuckt

T'is a sad and horrific prob two or three generation of narcissistic DID and other results from either their own parents treating their children like sh*t and poor education, watchng trash and trashy channels, groups et al :{

yeah, and he’s out here feeling sorry for how he feels? please


I’m certain the detectives chairs squeaking is apart of the interrogation. Excellent work by both Detectives!


These analyses are brilliant, I feel guilty that I enjoy the technical aspects and forget or at least minimise the fact there is a tragic death of an innocent always involved. I kind of put it to one side, like it's done. EDIT. OK this one is different, this has the smell of the 1960s Moors Murders in Manchester. Hindley and Brady. She lures the kid then he does what he did. Horrific.


If you pay attention, around 29:00 the detective reveals what happened to Tori after she was abducted and taken to the HomeDepot and then her final resting place. The killer nods, ever so slightly as the detective retraces his footsteps.


What a great interrogator. It seems like Michael's sentence should have been much longer than hers.


One thing not really talked about is the emotional toll this takes on law enforcement. Think about the police who had to witness the discovery of Tori’s brutally beaten body. Even the investigator who had to interview this piece of trash and pretend to be friendly with a person they probably wanted to strangle. Absolute masterpiece of a job done by the Ontario police.

@lowlowseeseeit was a small, safe town. I grew up in London, 30 min away, and I was told these things. Not so much in small town ontario. Small town ontario is safe. Typically.

This always gets to me . These detectives have to be nice to these awful people

@K N I'm already working on this :) I try and manage my mental health as best I can with therapy :)

@Taylor I'm doing criminal psychology and criminolgy :)

@Robin Huff I know :) let them dig themselves a hole :)

I would not have been able to leave that room with him still alive, no way I could do that job, I would have a murder charge on the fist Chile’s murder case I worked

My uncle was a police officer responsible for looking over evidence in paedophilia cases, after 20 years at the job he became a serious alcoholic and sadly killed himself.

Think about if people in Canada had the threat of the death penalty to deter their crimes!

Don't know how they did it, I know I couldn't do what they do

I’m thinking about the toll on Tori’s classmates. This is the sort of thing I was terrified of at that age. Her classmates had to go through the reality that this happens, and happened to somebody they knew and loved.

@Nettie Booth Good luck and please take care of your mental health as well!

I do wonder if her parents told her never talk or leave with strangers. I’m not blaming the parents but I do wonder. Also if she were told, then how many times? Schools should be teaching kids that as much as the fucking pledge of allegiance

@Nettie Booth What exactly do you have to major in to do this? and also wish you the best on your journey! hope you do great!

I am pretty sure the detective is used to it. We humans get used to all kinds of shit, no matter how fucked up. He isn't acting he is just doing his job on autopilot, casually taking a sip of his coffee. No problemo. Probably a master at what he does aswell.

@Nettie Booth good luck nettie!! doing gods work

@Nettie Booth Just keep in mind that you’re doing an INTERROGATION…that means you shut up & let the accused speak. Ask leading questions, not a dang novel they can ignore & simply listen to…..

<b>Word!!!</b> Reason why they're good at this job is because they see the bigger picture and approaches the interrogations with so much techniques

*Word!!!* Reason why they're good at this job is because they see the bigger picture and approaches the interrogations with so much techniques

My uncle has been a detective for the last 20 years. A couple of months ago he divulged some of his experiences to his family just to get it off his chest. I can tell you that each and every murder, rape and other crime he witnessed stuck with him forever. Last year he left the force because of a burn-out. He was busy investigating a crime that implicated another cop on the force and he decided then and there he had enough of it. You have to be very strong mentally to deal with this shit on a daily basis. My uncle told me he initially kept going because the rewarding feeling after nailing the perpetrator outshone the bad. I guess it got too much in the end.

That’s actually something that is getting a lot more attention now.  People in these kinds of jobs often suffer from ptsd, and the burnout rate is really high.  There’s been more effort and funding put into psychological services for the people who do these kinds of jobs, so that they can stay mentally healthy.

@Nettie Booth Good luck with it! I hope you bring some monsters like this to justice.

@Shelby Manners she probably is, he didnt mention if she was hurt, im not sure if they caught the rapists tho, eh.

Last night at my work (gas station) a guy came in freaking tf out.

He picked up a half naked woman who was handcuffed running down the highway.

She was kidnapped by a group of men and assaulted.

Crimes this devastating effect everyone around them.

We have good police and even better coffee

@Nettie Booth good luck too you in your education and future experiences!

This is the job I'm training to do. Currently doing a masters degree to go into this job. I hope one day im as good as these folk

Yeah. I was just thinking to myself that this is a job I don't think I could do. Huge respect.


42:40 , He says he doesn’t feel comfortable talking about it but the fact that he felt comfortable doing it is just plain wrong and disgusting. I will never feel any remorse for him and his actions.


This is horrific, that poor little girl.  And that revolting woman that lured her to her rapist and murderer.  And he's upset that if he talks he's going to loose his life & freedom.  The detective is so good....I couldn't sit in that room with  him remain calm.  This will stick in my mind for awhile.  so effin sad


I have never seen someone press someone else so much for answers. Incredible detective! So patient and composed


This is the kind of case that cops need to have a plan in place for him to "escape" and get brought to a warehouse in the middle of nowhere so the families, friends, police, and members of the community can show up when they need to let off some steam and torture this guy for decades. I mean he gets the best medical care to make sure he doesn't die. The father could sleep there making sure he's always safe, and awake, and healthy. With enough time, and intensity, you could cause everything else about him to fall away. After long enough, he could forget everything before the pain. Eventually he will believe he's lived his whole life in that room in agonizing pain. He'll forget he had a family, friends, he could even forget his name. All he would know is pain. And when he's experienced enough pain, and he thinks he's lived his entire


I love the part when the second detective comes in and JCS basically says “this isn’t part of any known technique, he’s just livid and freestyling”

@Marlow P you just don't understand the meme

Spitting bars like a demon stuck inside a piano

right lol bring em in the interrogation room ans start talking and the moment they say I didn’t do it you pull out the glock and empty the magazine

@Fang1241 "no u"

Great point. Guess I'm done for.

@Isak Ottner hes turned into a political crybaby.

It’s called the detective is a father and hurting kids isn’t cool!

@HH that's... a really poor comparison/joke

@Jeralee Wood is he the same guy?? damn if he is then I agree, the guy who took down that scumbag of Williams is a master of interrogations

@Chappal Souls Jim Smyth!  Watch him take down Russell Williams!!!

@Chappal Souls Just seen a interview with him and hes good

Harvey Quinn Only person that Eminem is afraid off!

That's fuckin sgt. Smyth. JCS just acknowledging a legend at work.


" How old are you, Mike? 28 years old? Get rid of your fucking security blanket and start being a man" The way that cop dragged this piece of shit was amazing.


"Thats why pencils have erasers! Mistakes happen :)" The amount of composure you have to have to sit two feet away from someone who not only raped murdered and manipulated a child, had 17g of child porn on his hard drive (Like jesus christ dude) and is whimpering like the puppy his victim never got to see, but also has the gull to sit there and DENY he even did it


Honestly I can see the efficacy of the technique of the police officer rambling on to tire the suspect out. I'm watching on YT and I've had to pause a couple times just to get a quick break before I continued and I can tell I'm starting to feel mentally fatigued only after a couple of minutes. Having to deal with this for hours would be super tiring. No wonder interrogators do things like this.


This interrogator deserves a raise. In fact anyone who has to listen to a play by play of Child S.A. definitely deserves sainthood. <br>I’m doing my degree with hopes of helping children who have been S.A. and I know I’ll have to interview the adult perpetrators. I’m praying for self control!

This interrogator deserves a raise. In fact anyone who has to listen to a play by play of Child S.A. definitely deserves sainthood.
I’m doing my degree with hopes of helping children who have been S.A. and I know I’ll have to interview the adult perpetrators. I’m praying for self control!

Raise? Did he make him talk? He us just a parrot


This absolute failure of a human being wallowing in his self pity like he didn’t just abuse and murder a poor 8 year old child. Makes me sick.

Exactly, I hope he's someone's girlfriend in jail

Exactly, I hope he's someone's girlfriend in jail

@UqiZbuqi the denotation of your words is 100% correct.

@UqiZbuqi the denotation of your words is 100% correct.

@Badly Rosenthal think about people who get sentenced and after years new evidence is found and it turns out they werent guilty but well... They ve been executed so that's a shame, but shit happens right?

I can't wrap my brain around that... how can you do such a cruel thing and then act like that

He was partially in shock but also stonewalling very hard

He was partially in shock but also stonewalling very hard

The people of the community should have the option of street justice in such a clear cut evil case

@Lloyde Ruff I’m not sure if it directly correlates with everywhere else, but in California since Newsome has chosen to not carry out executions, the murder and violent crime rate has grown a portion.

@Hayley Do you remember being a child? Can you imagine what she went through?

@Hayley Do you remember being a child? Can you imagine what she went through?

@Hayley My point is that people who brutally murder children don't deserve to live. You can disagree if you'd like

@Austin Jennsen Yes I will assume that as out of all these responses, nobody has given me a reason not to assume that. Attacking a strawman would imply that the people I'm arguing against haven't been given a chance to respond. They have.

@Hayley If you want to straw man the opposing argument I won't stop you.  I actually agree that the death penalty should be illegal.

But if someone supports a public death penalty and you have to "assume" that they must derive some sick pleasure from it than you are unfairly inserting your own assumptions on someone else.   If you are truly confident in your opinion than you shouldn't have to resort to such a tactic.

@Austin Jennsen Yes of course people don't say that. I cannot see any other reason why people would want public executions.

If people either don't advocate for that or don't provide some other valid reason then I'm going to make assumptions. I find it barbaric and disgusting so excuse me if I come off as "condescending".

@Hayley I have to say I agreed with you in the beginning but your condescending behavior isn't doing you any favors.

No body is implying that people should be executed based on emotion or without evidence.  People who advocate for the death penalty don't automatically "fetishize" death.

@Hayley Justice. Rafferty was convicted of beating a child to death with a hammer, remember?

@Hayley Justice. Rafferty was convicted of beating a child to death with a hammer, remember?

@Hayley I never meant it in the literal sense and I'm sorry you took it that way but you did put it in my mouth about economics I was just saying I personally would rather not waste my tax payers money on a terrible cruel person.

@Bluebonez and you made an economic statement when you mentioned taxpayer dollars going towards incarceration.

@Bluebonez no, YOU said I implied it would be fixed by just throwing him into a cell.

@Bluebonez no, YOU said I implied it would be fixed by just throwing him into a cell.

@Hayley I agree with you on public execution being unnecessary.

@Hayley I agree with you on public execution being unnecessary.

@Hayley I never made a economic statement so "stop putting words into my mouth" I so never said it would fix everything I just said it's not the proper punishment for someone so sick :/

@Bluebonez is never said it's going to be fixed. People like this cannot be rehabilitated and returned to society; you're putting words in my mouth.

As said before, the expense of endless legal appeals and carrying out the execution is in most cases more expensive than just imprisoning them for life.

Your economic argument is a distraction, just admit retributive justice makes you feel better inside and we can argue from there. Why the red herring?

@Hayley but it does because you think it's going to be all fixed just throwing him in a cell for life. It's not.  Because of this terrible crime he should be given the eye or an eye treatment. I understand not wanting public murder and all that, that's fine.  He does not deserve my tax payers money at all.

@Bluebonez yes nothing I said conflicts with your comment. Maybe try reading next time instead of jumping to emotion?

@Zach Robertson I understand your point of view. A lot of people clearly don't agree with my position and I don't really want to argue this further.

@Zach Robertson wanting to see someone publicly executed is undeniably fetishising retributive justice.

@Hayley how is a quick, relatively painless death fetishizing?

@Hayley how is a quick, relatively painless death fetishizing?

@Stephen Turner I see no difference between the two. I get a finallity from a criminal getting conviced and sentenced. I would have no desire to watch someone get killed; in fact I would actually hate it. I just don't want to endorse the state killing people.

@Hayley - I don't know if any studies exist for how hangings increase community cohesion; doubt there are any.  But I think it's unfair to assume we're just getting a euphoric rush from watching an execution rather than a fulfillment of justice being carried out; an ending.

@FallenSully -  We're speaking of 'what should happen' and not the real logistics of execution in this case.  Arguing how long it takes to give an inmate an execution with their unlimited appeals, the cost of drugs, and special housing is something that could be reasonably argued though.  It shouldn't cost that much to take out the trash.  I imagine it only costs governments of our fore-fathers the price of rope, wood scaffolding, and and executioner to get the job done.  Bare in mind, my feelings are for this case alone.

@Willem Gijs maybe. I couldn’t say one way or the other.

@Willem Gijs maybe. I couldn’t say one way or the other.

@FallenSully depends on the country maybe. I thought here. In the Netherlands it was cheaper. But of course you're right. Can't compare 2 different countries. We are to nice for prisoners. It's like a hotel.

@Hayley hardly. science says if you’ve done something once, you’re automatically inclined to do it again. murder, rape, and child crimes should almost ALWAYS result in executions. prisons be mad overcrowded worldwide and locking people up for life literally is the WORST thing you could do. public executions are known to cause a sense of unity within the people as well as giving them the ability to resonate with those who enforce the laws. and if you have the chance to enforce laws, you’re much more likely to respect them.

@Hayley - Life in prison is an acceptable punishment for a lot of crimes, but there are some that are so heinous in my opinion that a brutal execution is justified. I don't see it as something we're 'better than'.  I think it's perfectly reasonable and not shameful in the slightest.  Of course that's my opinion.

@Stephen Turner I think we as a society are better than that and locking them away for life is just as good.

@Hayley - I respect your opinion, but I think the brutal death of a child deserves an equal sentence.

Indeed.  I tell ya if justice was truly done at the end of the trial, he would have been drawn and quartered.

@Willem Gijs I disagree, but that has been debated to death at this point. Why 'public' execution; what does that solve outside of fetishising killing someone?

@Lloyde Ruff to satisfy us and save taxpayers money.

@Lloyde Ruff to satisfy us and save taxpayers money.

@Lloyde Ruff it's cheaper. And I don't even watch those. Bye arguments. Inhuman people like this we can rather save costs.

@Willem Gijs executions been around forever yet murders still happen everyday so is it really about scaring murderers or to satisfy you ?

@Hayley Execution is cheaper. And brings fear toward other pottenial murderers.

@Hayley Execution is cheaper. And brings fear toward other pottenial murderers.

It looks like he's completely broken. It mostly isn't an act tbh, but he's not being like that out of remorse, he's just scared out of self-preservation.

Also it almost looks like he's withdrawing from opiates.

Same here, the fact that he is acting it all is even more infuriating.

Same here, the fact that he is acting it all is even more infuriating.

He's not wallowing in his self-pity, though I'm sure there's a lot of it. What he's doing here is acting. Pure evil. He thinks if he looks pitiful enough, it'll influence the interrogators and, later, the jury. It's not until after the interrogator tells him innocents don't act like how he's been acting that he stopped his insufferable fake sniffling and commitment to looking down.


Good work not only for the jurors or lawyers but the detectives who questioned him. I can only imagine their state of mind, self control and persevearence… shout out to all who got this monster behind bars. 🙏


I still remember what I was doing that day, and I was also 8. I was so excited that I got to wear a pink dress, some wedge shoes, leggings and a headband, something I wouldn’t usually pick out, but was happy to wear. I can also relate going back for some earrings, I lost one, coincidentally also butterfly, from a pair once and went on a whole mission to look for it during recess. My point is, children are so innocent, how can anyone look at them and think such horrific acts. People like that can’t be fixed and need to be the ones who go for the greater good of humanity.


As the father of a just-turned three year old girl I am in tears watching this; what an evil evil evil bastard! There can be no punishment we can inflict on him that is horrific enough to punish him, but by god I wish the Canadian state would try a bit harder.

:(


I love this interrogator.  He's cool as a cucumber.  Nothing throws him! Gonna get sick?  No problem, I've seen it before.  "I'm just trying to find out why you did it"...not even "did you do it".  Love it.


His biggest fear is that he is going to lose his life. Yet he never stopped to think that’s how that poor little girl felt… what a monster

@Maurice Faurron 25 years without Parole is still a long time, and because, the felony stacks, the Judge may extend his Parole ineligibility. He committed not only to being an Accessory to a Murder, but also Sexual Assault to a Minor, both are punished by the same For Life Sentence. 2 felonies, both 25 years without parole. He may get 50 years without Parole, if he's at least 30 years old... That means he would be at least above 80 years old by the time he is allowed parole. He is good as dead by then

He's not going to lose his life,m he's in Canada!

@Visassess it's a saying but honestly this is so disgusting I wouldn't put it past anyone to throw up in their mouths a little bit watching shit like this

@Oskar Hackenthal Is that just a saying or do you legitimately feel that sickness?

If losing his life was his biggest fear, maybe he should've, oh, I dunno, NOT committed heinous crimes against a poor innocent child! Guess it never crossed his mind that he'd be perfectly fine if he just left her alone...

That's what gets me the most. They're like evil selfish children

@Salmon Sandwich Don't cut yourself on that edge.

@Leah he personally because of his comment?

It's Canada there's no death penalty there

Shows how psychos think, only for themselves.

Really makes you sick to your stomach watching these people but very interesting nonetheless

Exactly!! Fricken scumbags!! This breaks my heart for that little girl!


This interrogator is amazing. How does he manage to sit talking to this POS, and act as if the crime isn't that bad. His instinct must be to beat the shit out of the guy, but he controls himself to get a confession. It takes a very special person to do this job without going insane.


The BSU is my most favourite department of all. John Douglas, Robert Ressler, Roy Hazelwood and Mary Ellen O'Toole, they're my heroes! Kudos to their dedication and hard work in creating and working in the Behavioural Sciences Unit. Many police interrogations are based on their system. Edit: Also, RIP Robert Ressler who is no longer with us 😞 He passed away in 2013 from Parkinsons Disease.


That is so hard to watch. I'm feeling sick to my stomach. Words cannot even describe how disgusted I am by that excuse of a human.

Mad respect to the detective. I would have gone ballistic on that piece of shit.


There is absolutely nothing funny about this case but when the detective goes "you're not built for this shit" that had me rolling. 19:56


Not only are his actions disgusting his personality is also insufferable.

In all Reality it probably has to do with making him comfortable so he’ll be more susceptible to the detectives act. But I like my answer better

@Stephistaecated you don’t think the detective and the others watching close by would love that opportunity? I know I would

Im still curious how these suspects are not handcuffed not leg cuffed when being interrogated? Like they could easily lash out at the detective

He has the personality of a sixth grader who is getting grilled by his principal


Excellent police work! I'm not a psychiatrist but I don't think you have to be to see that something is very wrong with Michael Rafferty. Terri McClintock is no better. These detectives are better than me, I don't think I'd be able to refrain from beating people like this to death.

Thank you for uploading this. I'm not from Woodstock but from a town very close to it and it was an awful, awful time. Rest in peace little Tori.


Let it be remembered the girl begged and pleaded for Terry Lynns help too, only to have her turn her back when michael decided to kill her with FOUR hits to the skull with a claw hammer


I do enjoy watching most your videos but this one, this one makes me sick ! I am saddened that our country can’t get this shit under control . To solve this we need swiftly punish these broken humans immediately and pupblicly and I assure you all we will stop it, period! I couldn’t interrogate animals like this .


I've always wanted to be an interrogator. But I'm also afraid of what I would do to the criminal I knew was guilty while in the room. God help us


I love how the detective doesn’t skip a beat and says “That’s true.  Sometimes people are arrested and there’s not much evidence but the good thing about this case is that there’s tons of evidence.”   Such an upbeat tone.  I hope he smiled when he said that.

That reminds me of the polygraph detective giving Chris Watts a lie detector test.<br>"Right now, only one of us knows the truth. In a few minutes, there are going to be two people who know the truth! 🙄"

That reminds me of the polygraph detective giving Chris Watts a lie detector test.
"Right now, only one of us knows the truth. In a few minutes, there are going to be two people who know the truth! 🙄"

I really wish we could have had a camera angle that showed both their faces.

He should get a raise for that line alone😂.


Out of all the videos JCS has uploaded this one really got the best interrogator. He doesn't give the suspect a chance to even gain some breather he's empathetic but cuts the suspect when he tries to say he's innocent. Cold and efficient damn that's  a combo the piece of sht never had a chance.


You can tell that news reporter was at a lost for words and just wanted to cry in relief because of how heartbreaking this case was. 💯


I've seen lots of comments on other videos from this channel, like the one about the punk who shot up Stoneman Douglas High School, where people are saying things like "how does the investigator act so calm and professional in the same room with the murderer who killed all those students and teachers and not just beat the guy" and I've always thought that well, the cops got a job to do and it would be unprofessional and it could hurt the case, etc etc etc.

Well, I think I'm about to be a hypocrite here because if I was in a locked room with a disgusting animal like this excuse for a man who had done what he did to a sweet little eight-year-old girl I wouldn't be able to control myself. I'm shaking now just typing this. I would put that animal down...period. I don't think I can actually type in public the horrifically graphic things I would do to him.


I dont understand how the investigator can restrain himself like this. Just a special kind of human.


I get the impression this detective goes home and tells himself about how his day went.

This comment wins 🤣🤣 he can ramble brilliance like noone I've ever met!

Only in the USA would someone think its appropriate to make a comment in a vain hope to make someone laugh. Would you make that comment to Tory's parents sitting in the room. The land in decadence

He's a professional. His talking is pivotal to closure for parents who will suffer for the rest of their lives. Comedy is about timing & I bet you weren't telling jokes about 9/11 on 9/12

“You’d take a different route home if you knew about that fender bender, wouldn’t you, Mike?”

@Title Wave - the videos are on Patreon. Lots of others, too.

@Dewey McQueen disappointed Jim took that vid off his channel(for whatever reason(he appeared to commence a "spring-cleaning" of his channel as there were others taken down too))

@Dewey McQueen that was certainly a different interrogator, but i get ya.

That second detective that played bad cop is exactly how I’d act if I was a detective. I’d have no sympathy for the culprit

"there is no doubt in my mind" that this guys lives his work.

“Now I had a good day, right? Why is that? Cause I’m helping the government. And I’ve seen some bad stuff out there, I’ve seen the worst of the worst but today didn’t offend or upset me. Now when it comes to downtime, I’m not a monster, I made a mistake, I forgot to put enough sugar in my wife’s tea tonight. I have to live with that, I wish I could turn back the hands of time for her but I can’t. So what I have to do here is go watch the game anyway and be with my family.”

I got Hotchner vibes hearing him talk. Lol

@Naomi Rose In late January 2010, the Ontario Provincial Police discovered evidence that led them to suspect Williams' involvement in Jessica Lloyd's disappearance and death, and suspected links to two other crimes that had been committed in close proximity to other locations near Williams’ previous home. On February 7, Williams was interrogated by OPP investigator Jim Smyth and confronted with the evidence of tire tracks and boot prints at Lloyd's home. Over the next 10 hours, Williams gave a detailed confession of not only the sexual assault and murder of Lloyd, but also the sexual assault and murder of Corporal Marie-Frances Comeau and at least two other cases initially.

The subsequent investigation into Williams brought further confessions and revealed evidence of detailed notes and photographs stored at his home. The evidence showed he had broken into at least 82 houses to steal underwear of females, including children. This behaviour later escalated to sexual assaults and later still to the rapes and murders. He was formally charged with two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of forcible confinement, two counts of breaking and entering, and sexual assault.[2] Another 82 charges relating to breaking and entering were later added.

@Dewey McQueen Wait so this is the same detective as the one that interviewed Jen in “Jennifer’s solution”??? Cause when I looked it up after her video it said he interrogated  Russell and some other famous person or something. Also, sorry for the essay but do you know what Russell Williams was interrogated about? What did he do?

😂😂😂 I was just thinking “why is this detective talking so much?!”

@Dewey McQueen yes, he’s amazing at what he does, I want to see more interrogations with him

Look at his interrogation with Russell Williams. Totally different tactic, very professional using a calm soothing voice.

Really good laugh after this mentally draining, but extremely educational interview from JCS

Same that was a golden hilarious comment well done 👏

That does make sense. To understand people you need to understand yourself, since you are the person you have most info on. I do it from time to time and I'm not a forensic psychologist.

He once talked water out of being wet. He's the most interesting detective in the world.

@Jen Pearson he would have gotten a confession from me. That was more torture than water boarding.

Comment is seriously under acknowledged. More likes needed

Omg, your comment made me laugh out loud even with the most horrific subject matter! Well done.<br>Yours along with, "This guy could talk the hinges off of a gate"

Omg, your comment made me laugh out loud even with the most horrific subject matter! Well done.
Yours along with, "This guy could talk the hinges off of a gate"


I can’t watch media about children being abused and raped because it is very triggering and upsetting to think about the terror and absolute pain that these young innocent souls have to endure. I’m glad he got caught and didn’t get away with it. RIP young girl. Please rest. 🕊


Hearing the mother bad just finished decorating her room, so she was going to have a party, damn that tore my heart.<br>Good for Terri for testifying against him. She was called so many things in prison and has to live with the part she played, but she made sure Rafferty didn't get off on anything.

Hearing the mother bad just finished decorating her room, so she was going to have a party, damn that tore my heart.
Good for Terri for testifying against him. She was called so many things in prison and has to live with the part she played, but she made sure Rafferty didn't get off on anything.

@Bethany Rigdon same !! He was trying to say not guilty lol

she was a part of it, but I was so happy that she said everything. I don't want to call her a hero, because she's not one, but she showed that she had remorse and understood that what she played a part in was horrific.


The bucket was such a good addition; the only 'relief' he thinks he get can get,  comes from the agent. He shuts down any implications that he could be offended at every corner of any sentence, any potential interpretation, only to slap a dose of reality right after his comforting statements.

"Well the plan is not going to work, you're not built for this shit." That agent is cold as ice. What an absolute unit, he is like good cop/bad cop that got symbiosed together and work in perfect harmony.

Makes me proud of being Canadian, this is an art that ought to be respected.


so much respect for this interrogator. i would not be able to so calmly and in an understanding manner talk to this disgusting man about what he did.


It enrages me so badly when they start crying when they get caught like you didn't just torture an innocent child and listened to her cries and screams

I’m not sure how Canadian prisons are but I know here in the US, PC or not he’s in big trouble.

I’m not sure how Canadian prisons are but I know here in the US, PC or not he’s in big trouble.

RIGHT! I’m so upset at how calm the interrogator is! I know there’s tactics that must be followed! But omgggg 🥺🤢

RIGHT! I’m so upset at how calm the interrogator is! I know there’s tactics that must be followed! But omgggg 🥺🤢

the audacity of it right? sick people out there

the audacity of it right? sick people out there

@Biscuit Gidoni the girl is the one that actually killed the kid FYI

@Biscuit Gidoni the girl is the one that actually killed the kid FYI

They are only crying for themselves... It's  so pathetic.

They are only crying for themselves... It's  so pathetic.

I hope he’s not crying for himself but for his family that found out someone so close to them is a killer

I hope he’s not crying for himself but for his family that found out someone so close to them is a killer

@Alef0 good point. I don't do drugs so I wouldn't know what dope sick looks like.

@Alef0 good point. I don't do drugs so I wouldn't know what dope sick looks like.

@Alef0 Yeah.. As someone who's 6 years clean I can see that.. But I think his crying is genuine.. As in it's genuine with his feeling sorry for himself not remorse for the girl.. I believe he would still cry if not dope sick.

Well, I'm sure he is having a prometheus punishment of his own.

I can't imagine that situation and I don't want to. What I can imagine, is the torment he brought upon that little girl is happening to him as we speak and he has the rest of his life to endure it.

Prisoners don't play that shit, and his sweet ass showing up probably made a few people excited. That or they could have stomped his head in by now.

@Biscuit Gidoni exactly. Everyone looks normal for the most part.

@Biscuit Gidoni exactly. Everyone looks normal for the most part.

@Milky Way Yeah..  Thats the thing.. Most ppl who do this kind of stuff seem normal, and nice... Just your neighbor, or coworker, or cousin.. But in a lot of ppls minds they think the people who do it look on the outside like the monsters they are.. But 99% of the time, they don't,

@Silvio TF does that have to do with this video and case in particular.. That man took a little child full of wonder and innocence who never had experience the evil of mankind and took that from her.. She didnt understand what he was doing to her or why.. She knew it hurt and was crying for someone to make it stop and hold her.. Instead he took her innocent outlook of the world and made her experience one of the most evil things man can do.. Gave her no comfort before he took her life.. Did he cry then? This isn't a case of they got the wrong person.. I'm going to tell you something personal. I have a 5 year old daughter.. She's beautiful.. Anytime we go anywhere people stop us saying how cute she is.. 6 years ago I was setup by a girl I thought was my friend and was taken by 5 men. I was constantly told I was going to end up in a ditch headless if I didn't do exactly what they said... and was told when they're done with me they may just dispose of me anyways. I was brought to a shady motel room outside of Baltimore where they paid off the people. I was put in a motel room & sold over & over again to nasty drug infected men. I was there for 4 weeks where they had me do hero....In so I was dependent on them to not be sick from withdrawals. Only one of the !enjoy was nice to me and I went into survival mode and put on an act like I liked him. When it was just me and him he took me out of the motel and took me to one of their gang's safe house.. I was there for another week but he was mad at me that I didn't want to have you know what so he "kicked me out" but really let me go & I had no shoes and I ran to a gas station & begged to use this guys phone & called my friend & he arranged another friend of mine who lived in Baltimore to come pick me up and I spent the night telling him everything that happened & cried all night holding him. The next took me to the hospital & they set me up in a rehab to kick the withdrawals. About a month later I decided to go yo the health department to make sure none of those men gave me a s....t....d . That's when I found out I was pregnant.. I was suicidal at the time and suffering from ptsd and hearing that I fell to the floor & screamed.. But she saved my life.. She gave me a reason to live & is my whole world.. You don't understand the evil in the eyes of a man doing that to you. You either fight or lay & accept it because no matter what they're going to do it.. I have extreme ptsd even 6 years later., I'm an adult & can't process what & why this happened. My biggest fear is my child experiencing that.. Any child.. So no.. I don't have ANY sympathy for a pos that can do that to a child. And none for you Em-Fers who can have any sympathy for him. He's not crying because he's sorry for what he did to her.. He's crying because he got caught & he knows what they do to men like him in prison.

@Alexandria not all of them actually. And don’t forget they feel sorry for themselves not their victims. It’s way different kind of sorry.

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@Biscuit Gidoni It's actually shocking how you were able to put words in my mouth, through a yt comment. I didn't say "be on his side", or to sympathize in any way. This is somewhat of a rare case when you can insta-convict someone for a crime. It usually does not go like this, and THAT is why you can't prosecute with prejudice. Go to see thr case of Casey on this same channel. You'll be like: "Of course she did it, that bitch!" .. Then see the verdict, it will rock you from your chair

Yeah it's crazy how, if you didn't know what he did from the start of the video...he would seem like a normal guy just sitting there being cold and hungry. And you would have sympathy for him. <br>But the fact that we know what he just did makes us look at him in a completely different way.

Yeah it's crazy how, if you didn't know what he did from the start of the video...he would seem like a normal guy just sitting there being cold and hungry. And you would have sympathy for him.
But the fact that we know what he just did makes us look at him in a completely different way.

Perhaps this is why I would never want you as a prosecutor. Or defendant for that matter... Just, stay out of court at all

Perhaps this is why I would never want you as a prosecutor. Or defendant for that matter... Just, stay out of court at all

@absolutely incredible he is not upset what he had just done just that he got caught

@absolutely incredible he is not upset what he had just done just that he got caught

@HunterG_YT Even if she didn't do the act of murder, she lured the child which is worth life without parole anyway. But that's fucked up. Also right at the end it says they both got life without parole, so that's good

@Jazza BigHits Turns out she later confessed to being the one who actually murdered Torri with the hammer. So yeah she's a terrible human being who only feigned remorse to seem like the less evil one.

The only way they can feel superior is by torturing someone weaker than themselves, its disgusting.

The only way they can feel superior is by torturing someone weaker than themselves, its disgusting.

He's not done crying...in prison there's a code.  And just before that code get's enforced he will be crying.  The code is timeless...it's about access to him.  The code is those who hurt or kill children will not and can not live with us.

@Wendy Nicole He’ll rot in jail. That’s real hell.

@Wendy Nicole He’ll rot in jail. That’s real hell.

The guy who sexually assaulted me when i was 12, broke down into tears when he saw the cops standing outside his door. Of course he denied in court, but about 2 minutes later he admitted it again, then denied it. He only did 6 yrs, but it was originally suppose to be 4, but two more years got added on because of the comment he made at the end.

@absolutely incredible trolls going troll. Have a crumb :)

@absolutely incredible trolls going troll. Have a crumb :)

@Biscuit Gidoni This guy is a monster, but his cries are not fake. Imagine you did something you don't feel guilty for, spend weeks just living your life and then got caught and faced possible death penalty for it. I believe his mental breakdown was genuine. It doesn't mean I any sympathy for him, he's still a monster who scared, hurt and murdered a defenceless child and expected to get away with it.

@Wendy Nicole hell won’t even take him, there must be some place worse he’s going.

@Wendy Nicole hell won’t even take him, there must be some place worse he’s going.

Rage and anger are good emotions in the right context...this IS the right context to be enraged and angry with a fool.

Rage and anger are good emotions in the right context...this IS the right context to be enraged and angry with a fool.

FR!! he acts as if he had seen something traumatizing, <br>if I the investigator didn't say anything, I would think he was a witness to such a horrible crime

FR!! he acts as if he had seen something traumatizing,
if I the investigator didn't say anything, I would think he was a witness to such a horrible crime

@Nadia Iwanek if it is, it's selfish bad tears for himself that is not caring proper type of tears I or most I know wud have, it's the tears some wrong person like him wud have.

@Alexandria Omfg....you and your little naive bubble. No, they aren't human in any sense of the word. Research psychopathy and spend an evening watching and observing all the worst sadistic murderer interviews. You will "wake up" and learn what walks among us in disguise. Believing that a psychopath is even  capable of empathy or remorse is like believing dinosaurs will make a come back. SMH😔

Their emotional range is only Narcissistic in nature. They have tears and emotions for themselves only. It's a terrifying reality.

@absolutely incredible Lol what??? Why did you immediately jump to that and react? It's the audacity of him to try to elicit empathy when he showed a complete lack of it for his victim. It's sick because it's psychopathic sense of entitlement. These are very dangerous individuals and are everywhere.

@Samsung GalaxyJ3Prime he's crying in jail rn? good lol

@Samsung GalaxyJ3Prime he's crying in jail rn? good lol

@some obscure music channel I was about to say before I read the edit.. This guy had to sympathy when that little girl screamed in pain and terror while he did those things he did to that little innocent child and she had no idea why or what he was doing, all she knew was that he was hurting her and she couldn't do anything but scream and beg him to stop and the other woman to help her.. Did he cry then? I don't understand these comments replying to this that I'm so cold hearted towards this man.. As someone who's been kidnapped, impregnanted from it, and by the grace of some higher power was able to escape survive, I've seen the evil in these men. They didn't care I was tied to a bed post.. They didn't care I cried, they just paid to use me and I seen them straight in the eyes and saw nothing but evil staring back.. Men who have families and you walk by in the street and think they are just normal..

@FifinatorKlon Normally I wouldn't wish that on anyone but I hope this man lives a long life and spends all of it suffering.

Yeah those tears only come when they know they are done.. If he hadn't been arrested, he probably wouldn't have shed a single tear and be proud of his actions.

Well he was dopesick.  If he wasn't it would probably taken a lot longer to weat him down. ..

Well he was dopesick.  If he wasn't it would probably taken a lot longer to weat him down. ..

He's crying because he got caught. If he had a conscience the crime would'nt have happened. Sociopaths are the worst. These kind of crimes are simply satanic. Pure and simple.

but it makes sense, doesn't it? if you're selfish enough to kill a little girl to satisfy your sick needs, you're probably also selfish enough to feel bad for yourself for getting caught

absolutely incredible I don’t really care how he feels about the situation. It’s an entirely reprehensible situation and I hate all of it.

I was raped by the Pope .,dude.. tori’s DNA was all over michaels car.. and his dna was found on her body. He definitely wasn’t set up.. I’ll bet you think Paul Bernardo is a nice guy who is just as innocent and wasting away in prison.

@I was raped by the Pope Are you serious?

@I was raped by the Pope Are you serious?

@Biscuit Gidoni yeah...I think You are right..it is so bad🙁

@Biscuit Gidoni yeah...I think You are right..it is so bad🙁

@Alexandria The only thing he feels sorry for is himself

@Alexandria The only thing he feels sorry for is himself

@Alexandria I would like sell you some beachfront property in Arizona.

@Alexandria I would like sell you some beachfront property in Arizona.

It just shows that they are people too..and they feel sorry I think..deep in their hearts..they feel that this is not right...

@J L Yup.. Totally fine though listening to.an innocent child scream in pain and terror.. God i absolutely hate humanity. Children and animals are so innocent and you truly have to be a soulless husk of a human to bring harm to any like that.. Like even hunters make sure the animals die quickly and with the least amount of pain as possible while people like this torture the innocent like it's nothing. God my heart hurts for that little girl and what she must of went through. Now my mind is in a dark place and my heart is sinking to my chest.. I hate it here! I absolutely do..

I was just about to comment the same thing...yeah they are crying because they were caught...that's all.

I was just about to comment the same thing...yeah they are crying because they were caught...that's all.

@Nadia Iwanek it is.. tears for himself though

@Nadia Iwanek it is.. tears for himself though

I wonder if it's real tears. Cause I can't imagine a person have emotions and doing such a horrible act.

I wonder if it's real tears. Cause I can't imagine a person have emotions and doing such a horrible act.

These humans do not feel anything for other humans. That little girl could of been just a cow or sheep he cut up to eat. Happens everyday. We are just predator animals..and to think otherwise is foolish.

@M D Not according to @absolutelyIncredible over here saying I'm just an angry person and should have sympathy for him.. Like seriously @absolutely what the fuck?!

@Pants enFuego Thank you.. His comment beyond baffled me.. I assuming he's properly one of the M.a.p. people or sympathizer..

absolutely incredible If you blame Biscuit Gidoni for being “uncontrollably angry” over a senseless brutal crime against a innocent child.... then what does that make you?     Are you then the tolerant, understanding advocate of this criminal??

he's probably been crying in jail ever since, or worse

he's probably been crying in jail ever since, or worse

Uh, if he showed no emotion you'd say you were enraged about that instead. Let's just get to the point and say you're just an uncontrollably angry person?

Also when the investigator asks what he's scared of and he says he's scared that his life is over. Fucking sickening considering he ended a little girls life.

I’m only a few minutes in but for him too say he’s too sick to eat because it’s been intense that seriously angered me 😡

I’m only a few minutes in but for him too say he’s too sick to eat because it’s been intense that seriously angered me 😡


I know this sounds strange, but I still hope he doesn't receive harm in prison...

...instead, have him constantly look over his shoulder, constantly paranoid that he could be beaten at any moment. Nobody will actually attack him though, but that fight-or-flight instinct running through his veins will never leave his body and that'll bring more pain and misery than anything physical inflicted upon him

I know this sounds strange, but I still hope he doesn't receive harm in prison...

...instead, have him constantly look over his shoulder, constantly paranoid that he _could_ be beaten at any moment. Nobody will actually attack him though, but that fight-or-flight instinct running through his veins will never leave his body and that'll bring more pain and misery than anything physical inflicted upon him

Weird take but ok. Getting beaten up would have him constantly looking over his shoulder too. It’s not really a relief when things like this happen.


“All she wanted to do was go home and have a little party for her friends because her mom just redecorated her room for her” fucking broke my heart. What an evil pathetic man.


My mouth dropped, the investigator did so well at the end as he narrated the evil monster that sat before him


The final onslaught from that lead investigator was so brutal and brilliant to watch.  Such a fantastic way to let this guy squirm while not crossing any kind of line that would have gotten the case thrown out.